The President's job approval.

[daniel green]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/gallup-daily-obama-job-approval.aspx

The President's job approval numbers.

[Brat2002]

Why do you say climbing when it looks like it's gradually going down? Meanwhile, the disapproval rate has slowly, but steadily climbed.

But, who cares about polls anyway? Any time one is posted that doesn't favor him, a flood of posts state that polls mean nothing.

[daniel green]

snipped Meanwhile, the disapproval rate has slowly, but steadily climbed.

.

It's gone down 5 pts in the last week alone.

[Brat2002]

It's gone down 5 pts in the last week alone.

I'm looking at the overall stats.

Disapproval began at 12% and is now at 29%.

Approval began at 69% and is now at 63%.

One slowly going up, the other going down.

[Brat2002]

Pres. Obama's Approval Rating continues to climb. It appears you don't like that, but you'll just have to deal with it! He's a fabulous leader. :thumbsup:

Care to have a look at the disapproval rating of the 'Grand Obsolete Party'? Now there's some numbers that keep soaring. :blink:

mo

Yea, right, the numbers climbed from 69 to 63.

We're living in bizarro world now where up is down and down is up.

[jubal]

Are those numbers your opinion, or do you have a link to anything credible to back them up? :blink: Or, did you pull those out of the thin air too?

mo

When I click on the link provided in the initial post I see a graph that shows his approval has declined since Feb of this year while disapproval has gone up since that same month.

Now I'm not wanting to be nit picky here but if I was a betting man, I would bet that the initial post is inaccurate. IMO

[YoYo]

Why do you say climbing when it looks like it's gradually going down? Meanwhile, the disapproval rate has slowly, but steadily climbed.

But, who cares about polls anyway? Any time one is posted that doesn't favor him, a flood of posts state that polls mean nothing.

If you put your cursor on the line on the graph on 6/7/09 approval is at 59%, disapproval at 34%, 6/8/09 60%/33%, and 6/10 63% approval and 29% disapproval.

Must depend on what day of the week people are polled? lol

[jubal]

Then you'd lose. The graph shows 63% and an upward spike.:wink:

Disapproval shows a downward spike.



No, I would not lose. You cannot change what is. His approval is down since Feb and disapproval is up since Feb.

That is fact and proven by the graph in the link. A small spike does not constitute an upward trend. An upward spike is a temporary thing and whether it goes up again or flips and goes down, it is till temporary. Just follow the graph since Feb and see all the ups and downs with a steady decline. IMO

The point is, his popularity is down by 6 points since Feb and his disapproval numbers are up 17 points since Feb.

Very plain and very simple. No amount of spin can change facts.

[juliekan]

This thread is like checking your stocks everyday. :laugh:

6/14/09 at 10:43 pm it's 62% approve, 30% disapprove.

so at this precise moment, he's not climbing approval-wise.

[YolandaY]

Ratings r like relatinships up and down. Obama is more than capable and is doing a wonderful job considereing the mess he has to fix.

[beattherap]

Pathetic try at saving face. :rolleyes: Even little children can admit when they are wrong....
:laugh:...

even little children... those in elementary school learning to read graphs and charts... know there's no 'climbing' or trend unless you identify a starting point...

using gallup's starting point, obama's approval isn't 'climbing... in fact, using the beginning of may or june, it isn't climbing...

imo, it's too bad you've outgrown the fine quality of children to say, 'i'm wrong.'

imfo.

[beattherap]

The starting point was 63%, as indicated by the OP, you can add reading comprehension to your list of problems:wink:

mymymy...

clink on the op link today, tuesday, 6/16... obama's approval rating is 61%...

i guess his approval rating from 63% is climbing... down... it didn't go above 63%...

tomorrow he might be at 62%... he'll be climbing back up...

i know you :drool::wub: obama, but imo he'd recognize your stubborn obtuseness for what it is.

imfo.

[YoYo]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/gallup-daily-obama-job-approval.aspx

[YoYo]

61% and that's supposed to be unacceptable?? Talk about grasping at straws.......................again!
Bush had 29% so what is your point?

Just following suit - is there a problem?

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=354822


And, silly me, I forgot to add "welcome to IS."

[YoYo]

Daily Rasmussen......

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

[Lynden1000]

I don’t care much about these polls. In fact, I’m not sure that an exceptionally high approval rate is ever a good thing. After all, the country is full of kind, intelligent people of good will, but it’s all full of idiots, gang members, un-apprehended thieves, sexual predators, chronic liars, racists, abusive spouses, and just plain mean people.

I don’t really want these folks to approve of the same politicians I approve of. But the higher the approval rating, the greater the chance that members of the above categories are giving your man a thumbs up.

(I'm not saying 61% is exceptionally high, just pointing out that given the kind of folks I see in the world, I'd certainly never want to meet a politician with anything approaching 100%)

[dinojen]

President Barack Obama faces growing concerns among voters over government spending, the auto industry bailout and other economic policies, according to two opinion polls released on Wednesday.

Obama, who took office in January, remains popular with Americans, although his overall job approval rating slipped to 56 percent, down 5 points from April, according to an NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

But 58 percent of respondents said Obama and Congress should focus on keeping the budget deficit down, even if takes longer for the economy to recover. The Congressional Budget Office estimates the federal deficit could top $1.8 trillion this fiscal year -- by far a record.

Nearly 70 percent said they had concerns about federal intervention in the economy, including Obama's decision to take an ownership stake in General Motors and the prospect of more government involvement in healthcare. Obama has made healthcare reform a top priority of his administration.

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20090224/NEWS-US-OBAMA-POLLS/



Never really pay much attention to polls as I have never ever been asked anything for one thing and I just to take much stock in them.

I do think Obama is very likeable to some and that accounts for his approval ratings.. now the one that concerns me is the direction of the country .. that seems to be declining increasingly..

But like I said.. who can trust polls.. anyone can find one they like and fits their agenda.. IMO

[vonna]

I'm looking at the overall stats.

Disapproval began at 12% and is now at 29%.

Approval began at 69% and is now at 63%.

One slowly going up, the other going down.

Those people should blame the Bush Administration for getting our economy into a situation which Obama cannot fix soon enough for them.
They are being unrealistic.

[daniel green]

"But with a job approval rating of 63 percent, Mr. Obama has the backing of Democrats and independents alike, a standing that many presidents would envy and try to use to build support for their policies. "

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/18/us/politics/18poll.html?nl=pol&emc=pola1

[daniel green]

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/images/nytint/docs/latest-new-york-times-cbs-news-poll/original.pdf

62% approval in the new poll and only 15% disapproval.

[daniel green]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/06/17/politics/main5094528.shtml?tag=cbsnewsLeadStoriesArea;cbsne wsLeadStoriesArea.0

[YoYo]

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

Approve - 55%
Disapprove - 45%

[YoYo]

Gallup - 6/14 - 6/16

61% Approve
32% Disapprove

[YoYo]

I guess it depends on the "poll."

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

61 % is lower than 63%, right?

[beattherap]

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/images/nytint/docs/latest-new-york-times-cbs-news-poll/original.pdf

62% approval in the new poll and only 15% disapproval.
"A distinct gulf exists between Mr. Obama’s overall standing and how some of his key initiatives are viewed,..."

"A majority of people said his policies have had either no effect yet on improving the economy or had made it worse, underscoring how his political strength still rests on faith in his leadership rather than concrete results."

imo, obama's approval rating remains high because he's seen as a nice guy with good intentions and because how bad bush was is still used as a yardstick...

imo, if the economy doesn't Really improve by the fall, obama's hope and change message won't be enough to keep his approval rating up.

[beattherap]

his approval rating still climbing... down from 61 to 58%.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/gallup-daily-obama-job-approval.aspx

[YoYo]

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Carol25]

his approval rating still climbing... down from 61 to 58%.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/gallup-daily-obama-job-approval.aspx

You are right. It is not climbing, but 58 is nothing to sneeze at. What is mystifying to me is the contracts the White house has with the networks! Isn't that a conflict of interest on good journalism?

[baywench]

Well I'm not much of a believer in polls but his approval has gone down with me in the last few weeks :crying:

[Carol25]

Well I'm not much of a believer in polls but his approval has gone down with me in the last few weeks :crying:
My personal approval rating with media has dropped to below minus! Contracts between Networks and the White House????? Unbiased Media????

[baywench]

My personal approval rating with media has dropped to below minus! Contracts between Networks and the White House????? Unbiased Media????


Hi Carol..good to see ya. Yes, that is one of my major problems. It is scary. I wonder if the tide of protest will have an impact. jmo

[daniel green]

Well I'm not much of a believer in polls but his approval has gone down with me in the last few weeks :crying:

Hello, friend!

So good to see you!

[daniel green]

"The tempered public outlook has not significantly affected Obama's overall approval rating, which at 65 percent in the new survey outpaces the ratings of Presidents George W. Bush and Bill Clinton at similar points in their tenures"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/22/AR2009062202000.html?nav=hcmodule

[daniel green]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/gallup-daily-obama-job-approval.aspx

Back up to 59%

Climbing fast. 2% in a day!

60% today.

[daniel green]

CNN/ORC
61 %

ABC/Washington Post
65 %

CBS/New York Times
63 %


http://pollingreport.com/obama_job.htm

[trigger]

CNN/ORC
61 %

ABC/Washington Post
65 %

CBS/New York Times
63 %


http://pollingreport.com/obama_job.htm

Oh wow all my favorite stations....:drool::drool::drool: Totally..

[joolz]

Explain how it can be 60% approval with 32% disapproval? A mathmatical issue, wouldn't you agree?


I'm not much of a mathemetician, but 60 and 32 adds only up to 92%, so what is the issue?:confused:

[daniel green]

63%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

[daniel green]

Looks like Obama is down.........minus 7 points in 8 days..........

Latest Gallup:

56% Approve
36% Disapprove

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/gallup-daily-obama-job-approval.aspx

60% approve

32 % disapprove

[daniel green]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/gallup-daily-obama-job-approval.aspx

Gallup:

Approve: 60%

[daniel green]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/20/south-carolina-lawmakers-_n_241591.html

Approval: 61%

[LisaM22]

If you have a 100% statistical average and you are only showing results for 92%, you have a problem somewhere.

undecided.... 8%
60% approval
32% disapproval

[LisaM22]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/20/south-carolina-lawmakers-_n_241591.html

Approval: 61%

the majority of America approves, he is doing great so far, a few issue some of us disagree with, but that is expected with any president

[LisaM22]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_pl824

"According to CNN, an average of five different national polls taken this month (Gallup, Ipsos/McClatchy, Diageo/Hotline, USA Today/Gallup and CBS News), shows that 57 percent of Americans approve of Obama, with 36 percent disapproving."

only a 36% disapproval rating, that is really good, especially with the huge mess he was left by the previous administration and the right constantly trying to blame that mess on Obama

[LisaM22]

I don't think we have to blame anything on Obama, he's doing a good job of fouling things up as it is. People are beginning to catch on that so much of it is just TV talk.
IMO

republicans have been saying that sense before he even took office, it is not any more true today then it was then, but keep trying

[vonna]

Ratings r like relatinships up and down. Obama is more than capable and is doing a wonderful job considereing the mess he has to fix.

You said it!!!!

[MiamiNice1]

Rasmussen 7/28/09

49%, 49%

Gallup

54%, 37%
I wondered where you were! :tongue:

Numbers are falling, falling, falling!

[MiamiNice1]

Wow, the people look like they are finally paying attention and they don't like what they see.

Each actual job performance poll shows how little Obama is trusted to handle any our the nation's problems. It's like being popular in high school. Once you graduate, you find you actually have to produce in order to be a success.
Terrific analogy, flare (as usual)! :thumbsup:

The inexperience is shining through. Style over substance doesn't get one very far.

imo

[MiamiNice1]

:laugh: - Enjoy your night, Litchfield et al.....my biggest fan! :seeya:

[MiamiNice1]

:biggrin: Good morning! I'm sure you must have read flareon's siggy line:

"Gnats have no value. Ignore them and they will eventually hit the bug light and meet their fate."
Flareon's siggy is so appropriate! Thankfully, looks like the latest gnat went to the great gnatzapper in the sky......:laugh: (thanks, CW!)

Thanks for keeping us updated on the latest stats, Goo!

[MiamiNice1]

Rasmussen - oh, boy!

Back up a point or so:

Approval - 50%
Disapproval - 49%
One step forward two steps back......

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/02/geithner.economy/index.html

Wonder how trotting out Tim Geithner to say HE'S "refusing to rule out future tax increases" to save the economy will effect this new "bounce?" :laugh:

imo

[shiloh2000]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/gallup-daily-obama-job-approval.aspx

The President's job approval numbers.

Well bless his heart........

[Pat]

Still dropping:

Approve 50%

Disapprove 43%

I read an excellent article on why last night, and of course I didn't save the link and can't find it this morning. :angry:

Biggest problem for the President is centrist voters (moderate/conservative Democrats and Independents) didn't expect his lurch to the left and are very troubled by the sprint to pass programs important to the left. They are costly, it is being done too fast and the voters are worried.

I am curious to see what the polls will look like come November.

[orangetaffy]

Still dropping:

Approve 50%

Disapprove 43%

I read an excellent article on why last night, and of course I didn't save the link and can't find it this morning. :angry:

Biggest problem for the President is centrist voters (moderate/conservative Democrats and Independents) didn't expect his lurch to the left and are very troubled by the sprint to pass programs important to the left. They are costly, it is being done too fast and the voters are worried.

I am curious to see what the polls will look like come November.

(bolding mine)

And that, IMO, is the biggest problem the administration has. They continue to throw stones at the GOP, when the GOP is only a very small part of those who disagree. they ignore the facts...it is center america, the common american, who have started paying attention and dont like what they see/hear. The administration never adresses that group. For some reason, they seem to feel if they bash republicans enough, that will solve the problems. I think they are in for a rude awakening in the next round of elections. By ignoring a very big part of the public, they are ignoring the very people they will need to get re-elected.

[orangetaffy]

" As for those not affiliated with either major party, 66% disapprove."

And that is the biggest indicator, IMO. It is no longer just the so called "right wing fringe" who disapproves at high levels. The far right didnt vote for him, many of the "not affiliated" did vote for him, and they are not seeing the change that was promised.

[Hannibal]

probably coming from a right wing source....

Repubs are interested in self fulfilling prophecies these days it would seem...

:thumbdown:

[?WudScoobyDo]

I'm a registered republican, and I don't disapprove of Obama at all. I think he's done more good in this country, than the past 8 years combined.

imo... of course.

[orangetaffy]

Im an independant, and I think he is awful. I think by the time he leaves office, there will be little recognizable in America.

[?WudScoobyDo]

Im an independant, and I think he is awful. I think by the time he leaves office, there will be little recognizable in America.

Yeah, I've heard Rush before, so I am not surprised. One thing I find much more recognizabe already in a post Bush America, is decency, honesty, and respect from the rest of the world.

[Bill Justice]

My neighbor is an elderly Democrat who regrets she voted for Obama who is going to cut her Medicare.

[orangetaffy]

Yeah, I've heard Rush before, so I am not surprised. One thing I find much more recognizabe already in a post Bush America, is decency, honesty, and respect from the rest of the world.

Ive never heard Rush, so really dont know what he does or doesnt say. Im not much for television or radio.

As for the rest of the world, I think it depends on who you talk to. Im not getting a bunch of warm fuzzies from those I speak to in other countries. Many are feeling a bit betrayed right about now.

[orangetaffy]

Obama’s Approval Rating Tumbles as He Learns on the Job

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/erbe/2009/09/01/obamas-approval-rating-tumbles-as-he-learns-on-the-job.html

[orangetaffy]

Obama Losing Support Among Democrats

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-zogby/obama-losing-support-amon_b_274013.html

[Lady_Jean_La]

Obama Losing Support Among Democrats

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-zogby/obama-losing-support-amon_b_274013.html

That's a bigger problem, too many unfullfilled promises, I guess. imo

[Lady_Jean_La]

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112436533&ft=1&f=1001&sc=YahooNews


I think some people are getting tired of waiting for the change. imo

[orangetaffy]

I think he isnt, thats the problem. He seems to think he can smile pretty, vote present, and everything will be just fine.

[Barbara2]

What are your feelings about how the President is handling his job?

So far he is Bush with a much bigger debt. And more debt promised. Not very promising, IMO

[Mamie]

What are your feelings about how the President is handling his job?

So how come you didn't state your feelings about how he's doing??

For my money, he can go back where he came from. He has not shown me anything yet except more debt. I think we're going to be in so deep, we'll never get out----in my lifetime anyway. If he possibly happens to turn things around by some MIRACLE (and that's what it would surely take), I will be one of the first to admit that maybe, just maybe, I was wrong about him. JMO

[MiamiNice1]

I disapprove.
Ditto and thanks for the poll - always makes for a nice barometer every so often.

[Barbara2]

Yes, we have the whole Liberal Campground going on and yet only one person approves of the President's job. That should tell you all something right there. THEY don't even like him. IMO

[MiamiNice1]

Yes, we have the whole Liberal Campground going on and yet only one person approves of the President's job. That should tell you all something right there. THEY don't even like him. IMO
They're too busy talking about other people. Kinda hard to enjoy a weekend with such bitter thoughts. :lol:


eta: We all know what the results will be, even if they vote several times each. :sneaky:

imo

[orangetaffy]

Yes, we have the whole Liberal Campground going on and yet only one person approves of the President's job. That should tell you all something right there. THEY don't even like him. IMO

Well, just goes to show, the board, like the country, is so far divided they can't even post on the same holiday threads. I mean, we have nothing at all in common, right?

[MiamiNice1]

Are they talking about ME? Did I make the "D" list???? Oh please tell me that I have made the "D" list!
We'll have Kathy Griffin to keep us company! :crying:

[MiamiNice1]

Well, just goes to show, the board, like the country, is so far divided they can't even post on the same holiday threads. I mean, we have nothing at all in common, right?
Very divisive and exclusionary. Seems some people just cannot handle disagreement very well. :crying:

imo

[orangetaffy]

Very divisive and exclusionary. Seems some people just cannot handle disagreement very well. :crying:

imo

Well, I was never a member of the Mean Girls club in HS, so I wont miss being a member here either.

[orangetaffy]

Oh, you found the place. I just sent you a PM.

LOL yep. Couldnt figure out why everything was locked, but thankfully, many sent me pm's to help me out :)

[MiamiNice1]

Do you have a link for that from an unbiased source? We only deal with FACTS. :tongue:

FACTS? FACTS ARE PESKY THINGS

:thumbsup:

[dulcinea]

I didn't vote for the guy, but had a lot of hope and gave him the benefit of the doubt. I think he's trying to do too much too soon and not thinking anything through. Maybe now he realises being Pres is not the cushy, easy job he thought it was. He's a mess. I think he's lost a lot of his initial charisma, too.

[MiamiNice1]

Do you have a link to your request to explain what an off topic post is from an unbiased source? Facts are facts and you can't disregard the facts from being facts. So a link to facts being facts may be required.

And, btw, thanks Miami and BackChat. Now I'm gonna have to go midnight shopping for eggs and sausage links!!

BackChat started it :tonguewag:.....sure wish there was a diner around here!

[MiamiNice1]

I didn't vote for the guy, but had a lot of hope and gave him the benefit of the doubt. I think he's trying to do too much too soon and not thinking anything through. Maybe now he realises being Pres is not the cushy, easy job he thought it was. He's a mess. I think he's lost a lot of his initial charisma, too.
Good assessment, dulcinea. Obama seems to be losing many things very quickly - chiefly, his credibility. The campaign glamour has worn thin and the inexperience is now what is shining through, imo.

imo

[MiamiNice1]

I think maybe he thought the Presidency would be much like campaigning. He seems to excel in that and has continued to do so since November. :wink:
I agree, he is a good campaigner....but he had no one of substance to help him make the Presidential transition. This is why so many of us posted the old adage: "Tell me who your friends are and I'll tell you who you are."

It appears he had another agenda. Couple that with his past associations, it all adds up to what so many kept trying to warn the country about while the media did its best to cover - INEXPERIENCE. Now we will all pay.

imo

[shiloh2000]

Bob the Builder: Yes We Can!

He even stole that saying......:rolleyes:

[TimH]

I'm voting for HOPE and CHANGE by the next election.

Here's hoping Republicans have learned a hard lesson regarding lobbyists, getting too close to the Christian far-right and turning away from fiscal responsibility.

I'm a fiscal conservative and firmly believe in personal responsibility. For the far-left, who seem to not know what the word means, it means planning for the future, working hard, saving and NOT waiting around for Uncle Sam's handout.

I'm a social moderate and believe in extending a helping hand to those in need, and contribute to many charities who are much better able to handle the job than the Feds.

I want as little large government involved in the my life as possible. The more they do, the worse they make the original problem.

As I see the current president veering far to the left from his campaign rhetoric and stirring up major controversy as he goes, I'll predict now he is going to help his brethren lose many seats in 2010 and he'll be a one-term president. (This is the "CHANGE" I referred to in my first sentence.)

But we Republicans have to have learned from our past mistakes so we can move forward.

Ummm...I veered off subject, provided no links to back up my facts...and forgot

TO HIT THE REPORT BUTTON!! :cursing:

I'll try to do better. :blushing:

Oh, and this is my personal opinion. :rolleyes:

[Explorer]

And after those 8 years, 8 more with the first woman president, Hillary, and her First Man Bill back in the white house again.

From your mouth to Gods ears! I love the fact that I voted for PRESIDENT Obama!

[Dunlurken]

Can I ask what the importance of a bunch of people on a message board has to do with the President's capabilities? He was elected with a fairly large margin based on the Republican debacle and the fact that McCain is an old man with no new ideas.

You can figure out what the republican debacle is yourself, if you are in any way informed. JMO.

[orangetaffy]

I can’t predict how I will vote next time around. Will depend on who the nominee's are. I’m kind of hoping for a good independent candidate, so both major parties can be booted out.

I don’t H. Clinton will ever run again. If Obama serves 8 years, she will be 74 by the time she would run again. I don’t see that happening.

[TimH]

Can I ask what the importance of a bunch of people on a message board has to do with the President's capabilities? He was elected with a fairly large margin based on the Republican debacle and the fact that McCain is an old man with no new ideas.

You can figure out what the republican debacle is yourself, if you are in any way informed. JMO.

People involved enough to post on message boards are usually the ones involved enough to actually get out and vote. They are voicing their opinions of whichever party is in office. Right now, it's the Dems. Seven months ago it was the Republicans, and plenty of folks had their say back then. What's the problem? Free speech for those who hated Bush but no free speech for those who disagree with the direction this president is taking the country? If you don't like it, don't read it.

I certainly agree this election swept in the Democrats, but that doesn't mean everyone who voted for him/them will remain static for the next 8 years. Obama is losing the moderates and Independents. He has opposition in his own party. His message was Hope and Change and he has delivered neither.

I've figured out where the Republicans went wrong long ago. They need to go back to the principles they stood for or the Party will continue to shrink. But the members they lose won't go to the Democrats. They'll become Independents and as long that that bloc continues go grow, neither political party will be guaranteed success in any election.

Right now, right this minute, the Dems are the one with the bigger problem, Obama in particular. It's HIS issues being debated, HIS direction for the path for this country. Not to worry, though. When the Republicans are back in office, they'll be the ones under scrutiny and you can voice your dissenting opinion all you like.

MY OPINION

[fastpitch]

He wasn't a very good state senator, in the IL. House, but no one would believe the people that knew him. He was absent or voted present a lot.

He was more of the same when he went to Washington.

He is all show and no go.

In his favor, he has a nice family and was a very good professor at a liberal university.:thumbdown:


(I didn't vote for him. I would like to hear from those that did.)

[TimH]

You can thank the lobbyists on Capital Hill for that, both Republican and Democrats.

Who do you think is stopping the health care reform? Lobbyists. JMO.

You are quite correct about the problem of lobbyists. You have Insurance interests on one side and the deal Big Pharma made behind closed doors with the president on the other. They are, of course, by no means the only special interest groups.

You have inflammatory rhetoric coming from both sides, drowning out any meaningful discussion.

The House Bill is the only WRITTEN health care reform bill we've seen, but plenty of people who don't participate on boards, go to rallies, or otherwise engage in public debate, don't agree with what they've seen so far.

A lot of voters philosophically disagree with the idea of big government and want reform, but not the reform being offered now. If they are pushed into a corner with the "all or nothing" option being the only choice, they'll choose "nothing".

Two of the best ways to have your voice heard is through your vote and contacting your Congressional reps. Doesn't mean they'll listen, but you'll be participating in the process.

I plan to observe, research and watch for the next months. Hope you do, too. Have a happy Labor Day holiday.

TimH

[SavannahStar]

he walks with an air of confidence. as for charisma he wreaks it.
i love having a young, smart, educated, hip and cool president who can relate with the real people.
:loveeyes:


Me too. :thumbsup:

I think he's great! :patriot:

[orangetaffy]

"Real people" lol. I guess I am unreal along with all the funnier than heck names I have been called recently.
This post just had me ROTFLMAO....are you a comedian?

LOL he may not have an experience, he may push the country into destruction...but hey, at least he is hip and cool.

[TimH]

"Real" people? :confused:

This is the problem when trying to communicate with Obamamaniacs. They use slogans that don't really mean anything when you stop and think about it. You know - "empty words". Their blind enthusiasm keeps them from seeing anything but what they want to see from their narrow perspective, and they have absolutely no idea what "nationalizing" the country really means. It's on it's way, folks!

You've got a lot of Boomers reliving their hippy days now that they've "got theirs" and chanting and marching around with stars in their eyes singing, "We Shall Overcome", without realizing we already overcame.

Hide your money in your mattress, folks...the tax man will be showing up a knockin' on your door because the country absolutely can not afford the debt Obama and Crew are amassing at the speed of light. Empty slogans and promises...every pol makes 'um and every pol breaks 'um. Don't believe the ones in power today assuring us, "Good times are right around the corner"....they aren't if this administration doesn't quit their massive spending.

MO

[Lqqkout]

I agree. He has always gotten by with giving a speech and using photo ops. Just a lot of style over substance. That may work during his previous positions and during campaigning, but it really highlights his lack of competence now.

ITA. After witnessing the mess and huge debt with the "Cash for Clunkers", imagine how he will do with a health care overhaul? I, for one feel the government slowly taking over all of my choices in life and all of my money. But, that is his point, isn't it? Socialism is on the horizon, but I feel the country may just want that, since he was elected. You know the old saying "the devil you know?"

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Well, we do have hispanics, asians, arabs in the country too. What is their opinion? See, that is why I think it is no longer a Black or White issue cause we have so many different races.

I just read a poll but it was for July that broke down the numbers.

IIRC

90% approval rating for blacks
51% approval rating for all other minorities
41% approval rating for whites.

[daniel green]

"Ninety percent of Americans who identify with the president's party approve of him, but 85 percent of those who belong to the opposition party disapprove," said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/04/obama.schools/index.html

[daniel green]

CNN/ORC
53 approve
45 disapprove

CBS
56 approve

35 disapprove

Ipsos/McClatchy
56 approve
40 disapprove

http://pollingreport.com/obama_job.htm

And let's remember that the President won the election with 53% of Americans voting for him.

[Lady_Jean_La]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/04/obama.schools/index.html

Really powerful evidence it is based on policies and not personalities.

[Lady_Jean_La]

CNN/ORC
53 approve
45 disapprove

CBS
56 approve

35 disapprove

Ipsos/McClatchy
56 approve
40 disapprove

http://pollingreport.com/obama_job.htm

And let's remember that the President won the election with 53% of Americans voting for him.

I believe it was more like 53% of those who voted. imo

By comparison President Johnson won his election with 61% and served so poorly he was not to run again. imo

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

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And let's remember that the President won the election with 53% of Americans voting for him.

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An actor won with 58.8% of American's voting for him. :blink:

[MiamiNice1]

Down, down, down......


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history


Date 09/05/2009

Strongly Approve 49%
Strongly Disapprove 51%

[Lady_Jean_La]

Down, down, down......


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history


Date 09/05/2009

Strongly Approve 49%
Strongly Disapprove 51%

Interesting 100% strongly, that is rare. imo

[MiamiNice1]

Interesting 100% strongly, that is rare. imo
Yes, LJL, you're right.....100% usually isn't the case. :)

[PerneciaJane]

I believe it was more like 53% of those who voted. imo

By comparison President Johnson won his election with 61% and served so poorly he was not to run again. imo


I know a lot of older folks that did not even vote because they did not want either one. :angry:

[crazyrn]

i voted for obama! however, i'm disappointed with his stance on healthcare reform. i believe he's had enough time to make a firm decision regarding this issue, and has dropped the ball on a truly progressive decision!

during the next presisdential election (if things don't change), i will support & greatly encourage Hillary Clinton for the demo candidate.

[TimH]

What are they saying about Obama's polls on the Sunday morning "serious" talk shows?

Obama has not been in office but 7 months and his numbers are tanking. Wonder what they'll look like by the time Congress scampers home for Christmas (oops! Bad word. Pardon.) make that "Winter Holiday Season" break.

He's started off well after the August recess, though. All this controversy over the school message...bet his Dems in vulnerable seats are luvin' it.

[TimH]

LOL, right.:rolleyes:

That was my first reaction, too. :laugh: Still don't think I'm wrong.

I had an entertaining evening, though. Amazing, some of the stuff people put on a message board. Sometimes it's better than Comedy Central. :laugh: More amazing is they think everyone believes it.

[Hey Paula]

Date: 09/07/09 (Daily Tracking)


Presidential Approval Index: - 13

Strongly Approve: 28%

Strongly Disapprove: 41%

Total Approve: 48%

Total Disapprove: 51%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

[Hey Paula]

They won't like the source.

Moveon.org probably has a poll showing his approval rating hanging steady at 92%.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

LOL, I'm sure you're right about the soreohs [sic] crowd, but the power lies among the grassrooters, not the turfers. FNC was the only media outlet to out Van Jones, and within 24 hours of airing that this Yale law professor is a 9/11 truther and petition signer, Jones resigned. Yet, he/they continue to insult our intelligence by claiming this lawyer didn't read what he signed.

[newsjunkie]

See...that's your problem. You can't get past the "them" and "us". You've started off with premise that anyone who isn't with you is against you. Sad.

There are a lot of highly educated, articulate professional blacks that aren't in lockstep with your preconceived ideas. What happens to them when they express their philosophical political differences? They are taunted and called all kinds of despicable names by "your" people.

It's time to quit seeing a racist behind every tree and see everyone as individuals. The country has come a long way in black/white race relations in the last 40 years. Today's smart, educated, articulate young people just don't get the big deal over race because they look at people and judge them by who they are, not what they are. These are the leaders of tomorrow.

You will always have bigots on both sides of the color issue, and, OBTW, there's more than one "color" here in the US. It's human nature and it gets dealt with. But regardless of what you want to believe, every Republican isn't out to get Obama because he is black. They DON'T AGREE WITH HIS POLICIES.

America can be a country that is color blind. Those who play the race card every time they get legitimately questioned about anything (channeling Charlie Rangle and Al Sharpton here) are old and being put out to pasture, along with Jesse Jackson. 'Course, Charlie could end up in jail rather than out to pasture, and here's hoping! The man's a crook (IMO) and everyone knows it. :laugh: It isn't a Republican problem and it isn't a "white" problem. These folks race-bait to keep the public conversation off their own ethical/legal/political problems, but that's fast coming to an end.

And it's about time.

MO


Well Said! :thumbsup:

[newsjunkie]

I'm a moderate who voted for Obama, and would do so again if they held a special election tomorrow. I think the country had years of serious downward momentum (wars, debt, terrorism, trade/jobs, subprime loans, etc) before he gained the White House. Sad that the financial terrorists who created this economic disaster will never be named (let alone charged, tried or convicted). I am an unemployed scientist whose brains continue to atrophy while I can only email résumés into outer space.


BO has added 9 trillion to the debt.
Did you know that 1 trillion is equal to a million million?
That is all on Barack Obama. Oh and he isn't done yet it seems.

[Mamie]

I agree. He has always gotten by with giving a speech and using photo ops. Just a lot of style over substance. That may work during his previous positions and during campaigning, but it really highlights his lack of competence now.

IMO, he's stuck in "Sales Mode". He's heard that old saying that once you sell yourself to them, you can tell 'em anything! The latest thing (I think it's the latest) is his push his 'touch' in the schools. Again, JMO

[orangetaffy]

IMO, he's stuck in "Sales Mode". He's heard that old saying that once you sell yourself to them, you can tell 'em anything! The latest thing (I think it's the latest) is his push his 'touch' in the schools. Again, JMO

"Touching" the schools will prove difficult, IMO. Schools are in such bad shape this year, they will be lucky to get any real teaching accomplished. Some schools are now averaging 50 students per class, even with stimulus money being poured into them.

[dulcinea]

In NY the limit in academic classes is 34. What state are 50 per class allowed?

I don't know about the 50 per class, but my husband and I both have some periods with 40+ students. We are in CA.

[orangetaffy]

I don't know about the 50 per class, but my husband and I both have some periods with 40+ students. We are in CA.

"And in some places, teacher layoffs have pushed up class sizes. In Arizona, which is suffering one of the nation’s worst fiscal crises, some classrooms were jammed with nearly 50 students when schools reopened last month, and the norm for Los Angeles high schools this fall is 42.5 students per teacher. "

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/08/education/08school.html?hp

[Jumbo1]

BO has added 9 trillion to the debt.
Did you know that 1 trillion is equal to a million million?
That is all on Barack Obama. Oh and he isn't done yet it seems.

No, he has not added $9 tril to the national debt.