Haleigh Cummings ♥

[Justice4all]

thought i would start a new thread

[SmoothRider]

Is this all according to Ronald? Where is Misty's input in this new story?


i don't know, but if this info is new, it's even more strange, imo....if RC just recently went to LE & told them this story about arguing with Misty over the phone, (& text messages) i find it interesting, as to why now???...were the phone records just released, & LE wanted to ask him about it??.....the whole story about an argument over babysitting is hogwash, IMO....i don't doubt they were on the phone, but unless the phones were tapped, we have no way of knowing exactly what was being discussed....plus if these calls & text messaging went on & off for a couple of hours, it's even MORE strange!.....then bam, around 8:30 pm, Misty's phone is turned off...seems a bit too convenient to me

jmo

i think something was being discussed, but it wasn't babysitting, & i don't think it was arguing...i think something was discussed & Ronald told Misty to turn her phone off.....again, jmo

[Justice4all]

Ok i had to bring this over...

He and his mother have contradicted one another on Greta about the fight with Misty's cousin. Ron has contradicted Misty who agreed with his Mother. Greta's show first few days after this case broke.

Ron and the Sheriff have contradicted one another whether there was a breakin to his home.(SOURCE: Fox news to Megyn Kelly) & Greta's show

Ron said he passed his polygraph. Sheriff said it didn't happen! (SOURCE: Fox News the following morning to Megyn Kelly)

Ron said Misty never called him until he was pulling in the driveway the night in question. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/11/ng.01.html

Ron said he never used drugs. His prolific drug arrests tell the opposite. SOURCE: Geraldo's show.

Please dare to watch and listen to all the inconsistencies Greta points out in just this one interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-z6jX8Xvmc

Haleigh Cummings' father, Ronald Cummings' Interview by Greta Van Susteren

Are you saying the sheriff said he failed?
Ron never said he NEVER did drugs. he said he doesn't do drugs that means he's not doing drugs NOW.

[Mamie]

thought i would start a new thread

Thanks for starting the new thread. Did we know what time the old one was closing? I was allowed to go in and post and when I hit "ENTER" it told me this thread was not accepting new posts! LOL

[teresa]

Ouch. I thought we got shut down and I was thinking we weren't even fighting.

I wish someone could have left a comment for people like me who aren't used to holiday boards.

[emdragon]

i don't know, but if this info is new, it's even more strange, imo....if RC just recently went to LE & told them this story about arguing with Misty over the phone, (& text messages) i find it interesting, as to why now???...were the phone records just released, & LE wanted to ask him about it??.....the whole story about an argument over babysitting is hogwash, IMO....i don't doubt they were on the phone, but unless the phones were tapped, we have no way of knowing exactly what was being discussed....plus if these calls & text messaging went on & off for a couple of hours, it's even MORE strange!.....then bam, around 8:30 pm, Misty's phone is turned off...seems a bit too convenient to me

jmo

i think something was being discussed, but it wasn't babysitting, & i don't think it was arguing...i think something was discussed & Ronald told Misty to turn her phone off.....again, jmo

You do understand LE has all the text messages so what they were arguing about is well known to LE and it wasn't Ron telling her to dispose of Haleigh.

(I hate when the board closes while you are writing and you hit post and can't- My heart always skips and I think what did I do lol)

[panman]

From the thread just closed, post 1161.

Referring to a poster hoping the work schedule would now be dropped, seeker posted: Well, it's going to continue to be dug up.

So going off that I would like to dig up what some were thinking about the word "clan". And how it was being said. Here is an example from seeker on 9/3 @ post 765:

Do law enfocement officers have to tip their hand? Of course ronald l. cummings has been in their sights from the beginning. He still is. Misty is the weakest link in the chain that encircles this clan of LIARS.

My very strong opinion and impressions based on all we have to read, watch, interpret, and use our common sense with.

Is it offensive? Notice the small letters on Rons name and the words "clan of LIARS". I will leave it to the posters.

[titanfan217]

i don't know, but if this info is new, it's even more strange, imo....if RC just recently went to LE & told them this story about arguing with Misty over the phone, (& text messages) i find it interesting, as to why now???...were the phone records just released, & LE wanted to ask him about it??.....the whole story about an argument over babysitting is hogwash, IMO....i don't doubt they were on the phone, but unless the phones were tapped, we have no way of knowing exactly what was being discussed....plus if these calls & text messaging went on & off for a couple of hours, it's even MORE strange!.....then bam, around 8:30 pm, Misty's phone is turned off...seems a bit too convenient to me

jmo

i think something was being discussed, but it wasn't babysitting, & i don't think it was arguing...i think something was discussed & Ronald told Misty to turn her phone off.....again, jmo


It's been almost 7 months and all this strange stuff is coming out. Is someone trying to write a fiction based on this or what?

Do these people think we were born yesterday? That attorney -- going in early, Larry, $35,000 yes or no. NG with witnesses that nobody's heard of. Arguments about babysitting additional children.

TN -- I've not seen all of it, at least without interuption, but we heard the audio, Misty was about to crack, not talking, following Ron, and then the excuse was how long she was there and too many people..

Come on, this is not the Cubs. HaLeigh can't wait until next year.

[SmoothRider]

Ouch. I thought we got shut down and I was thinking we weren't even fighting.

I wish someone could have left a comment for people like me who aren't used to holiday boards.

lol, yeah i'm surprised i remembered the holiday thing:tongueside:

i've got to dwell on this new info LE's received from Ronald, recently....it may be he told LE this from the beginning, but i don't think so..

more pressure on Misty, coming from Ron's mouth, to LE...plus we have the remarks about the bed not being made....could it be that RC thinks he's so smart, that he can set Misty up for what happened to Haleigh, & her not even have a clue he's doing it????

course everyone here will say i'm making my puzzle pieces fit, & maybe i am, but again, i don't think it's out of the realm of possibility....either way, i'm certain LE has a handle on this...

[Tracian]

Ok i had to bring this over...



Are you saying the sheriff said he failed?
Ron never said he NEVER did drugs. he said he doesn't do drugs that means he's not doing drugs NOW.


oh for goddess sakes...

This is unreal..

Hmmmmmm.....let's review all the fun filled facts about drugs with all involved in this case...


Ron:

Arrests; convictions?

Crystal:

Admits to doing drugs while pregnant. No convictions..

Marie:

Charged with running a drug house...

Chad:

Conviction in regards to cocaine...plead out.

Misty:

NO arrest record, but accused/witnesses swear to a drug binge weekend...


Okay, so does this have anything to do with Haleigh, or are we playing the new fun filled game of

GLASS HOUSES AND CASTING STONES; IT'S EASY TO PLAY, THROW STONES AT PEOPLE'S HOUSES!!! YES, YOU TOO CAN IGNORE YOUR OWN (OR THOSE YOU SUPPORT) TRANSGRESSIONS...BECAUSE HEY THAT IS JUST THE FUN OF IT ALL..SO CAST THOSES STONES, AND BE CAREFUL NOT TO CUT YOURSELF ON THE GLASS.....JONNY, TELL US WHAT ARE OUR CONTESTANTS PLAYING FOR..

WELL, PAT, I CAN TELL YOU WHAT THEY ARE NOT PLAYING FOR, HALEIGH....WAIT PAT, ISN'T THIS WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT? NOW BACK TO OUR SPONSER..



Sorry to bounce off your post Justice..but really this is getting simply pathetic..

Like you stated..PAST...if we are going to judge Ron on his past, then LOCK all of them up.

[SmoothRider]

You do understand LE has all the text messages so what they were arguing about is well known to LE and it wasn't Ron telling her to dispose of Haleigh.

(I hate when the board closes while you are writing and you hit post and can't- My heart always skips and I think what did I do lol)

anybody can make up fake text messages....

& yeah, i thought the same thing when i saw "forum is closed", or whatever it said, lol

[SmoothRider]

It's been almost 7 months and all this strange stuff is coming out. Is someone trying to write a fiction based on this or what?

Do these people think we were born yesterday? That attorney -- going in early, Larry, $35,000 yes or no. NG with witnesses that nobody's heard of. Arguments about babysitting additional children.

TN -- I've not seen all of it, at least without interuption, but we heard the audio, Misty was about to crack, not talking, following Ron, and then the excuse was how long she was there and too many people..

Come on, this is not the Cubs. HaLeigh can't wait until next year.

i know!!!!...."strange stuff" is right, & why now????...there's pressure being put out by LE, & i don't think it's all toward Misty....the whole message left for TM, by TN, has my hinky meter going off...TN made it sound like she REALLY thought Misty was going to "crack" soon...making Misty look even more suspicious, then tonight, zilch, when asked about Misty failing the tests....same ole excuse, pretty much

"i really don't know":sneaky:

[Tracian]

I'm a writer dear. I have no trouble whatsoever saying anything I please. I'm very good at expressing myself. However your words do not exist in my post.



You have the SOURCES. You have the LINKS.

Geraldo asked Ron several questions, not just one as you claim. But thanks for showing everyone you didn't bother posting links or sources and didn't bother watching the show you're making claims of facts about now.

Y'all Have a nice day, ya hear - :wub:



Geraldo? OMG....Geraldo is a media leech..Do you have any idea how many lives this man has ruined? He nearly put our own troops at risk with his sensationalism.

"Let me draw you a map" :rolleyes:

[SmoothRider]

ok..correct me if am wrong..Did Misty not say she put Haleigh to bed at 8:00..the fight at 8:30..did Haleigh hear it & wander outside...do u think ..Misty just never knew she wa sgone..thought she was in the bedroom...I honestly don't know..but this entire case keep falling deeper & deeper into poop:sad:

yes, she has always said she put Haleigh to bed at 8:00..that's her bedtime; she has school the next morning, etc......

i'll agree with you; this case keeps getting deeper & deeper...someone will be arrested soon, imo....

[teresa]

Happy Holiday (Labor Day) one and all (USA Friends)...I wish everyone had this holiday.(Lord knows WE ALL LABOR ENOUGH!!)..

Let's take a minute to remember why each & every one of us clicked onto this thread....

Haleigh is still missing :rose:...

Come Home Soon Little One :rose:

Amen angellaw.

[SmoothRider]

I'm a writer dear. I have no trouble whatsoever saying anything I please. I'm very good at expressing myself. However your words do not exist in my post.



You have the SOURCES. You have the LINKS.

Geraldo asked Ron several questions, not just one as you claim. But thanks for showing everyone you didn't bother posting links or sources and didn't bother watching the show you're making claims of facts about now.
Y'all Have a nice day, ya hear - :wub:

yeah...never a link or source posted...how anyone can take that seriously, i don't know:rolleyes:

[SmoothRider]

So is this what stay at home mom's are reduced to in your opinion? Just women who found someone to pay their bills for them? :thumbdown:

sad, huh?:(

[Pat]

ok..correct me if am wrong..Did Misty not say she put Haleigh to bed at 8:00..the fight at 8:30..did Haleigh hear it & wander outside...do u think ..Misty just never knew she wa sgone..thought she was in the bedroom...I honestly don't know..but this entire case keep falling deeper & deeper into poop:sad:

Unfortunately, you would have to believe Misty is telling the truth. Given what we know, I wouldn't take it as gospel she put HaLeigh to bed at 8:00.

I think as things stand now, we really don't know when HaLeigh was put to bed, or if she was put to bed at all.

[titanfan217]

i know!!!!...."strange stuff" is right, & why now????...there's pressure being put out by LE, & i don't think it's all toward Misty....the whole message left for TM, by TN, has my hinky meter going off...TN made it sound like she REALLY thought Misty was going to "crack" soon...making Misty look even more suspicious, then tonight, zilch, when asked about Misty failing the tests....same ole excuse, pretty much

"i really don't know":sneaky:

One more. Did anyone else have a red flag waving at 'em when the attorney said exactly how long it took Ron to get to work that night?

[teresa]

uh huh ..........

Do you have a link where Ron said he had never done drugs?

[SmoothRider]

Originally Posted by Lqqkout
So far, I don't believe anything Ron has offered has been proven to be untrue.

I also think when someone turns off their phone, they then can do anything they want or go anywhere they want and no one is the wiser,

He and his mother have contradicted one another on Greta about the fight with Misty's cousin. Ron has contradicted Misty who agreed with his Mother. Greta's show first few days after this case broke.

Ron and the Sheriff have contradicted one another whether there was a breakin to his home.(SOURCE: Fox news to Megyn Kelly) & Greta's show

Ron said he passed his polygraph. Sheriff said it didn't happen! (SOURCE: Fox News the following morning to Megyn Kelly)

Ron said Misty never called him until he was pulling in the driveway the night in question. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../11/ng.01.html
Ron said he never used drugs. His prolific drug arrests tell the opposite. SOURCE: Geraldo's show.

Please dare to watch and listen to all the inconsistencies Greta points out in just this one interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-z6jX8Xvmc

Haleigh Cummings' father, Ronald Cummings' Interview by Greta Van Susteren

thanks SO much for posting this!...i had forgotten about it..(in bold above)

[titanfan217]

That was my understanding all along..bed at 8:00...so if she & RC are fighting on the hone at 8:30...ish...Misty was not..focused on the children...I would think they got the "pings" from phones...so she must have been close to where she said she was...God...I hope Haleigh did not walk in her sleep....maybe a party..she could not sleep...nobody "PAYING ATTENTION"..she just wandered off...OH Lord..I hope not...

If her phone was turned off, no "pings" right??? She could have been in the next county.

[SmoothRider]

One more. Did anyone else have a red flag waving at 'em when the attorney said exactly how long it took Ron to get to work that night?

ugh, i missed that, i guess....are the transcripts up yet for NG???
..how did he answer that?

[SmoothRider]

All I can say is I hope Haleigh comes home safe and sound. You guys have a Great Labor Day weekend, I have to work but I'll try to go online on my lunch and dinner breaks...:seeya:

same to you, trigger:seeya:

[Tracian]

Tracian, In the other daily thread someone repeated the rhetoric that Ron never told an untruth throughout.

So I replied to that person.



Adelena..I didn't see that exchange..Have to be honest...my post was not about either 'side' it is about the past.

I don't care that Ron, Crystal, Marie or Chad either admitted to past drug use, or had a conviction..I only care about Misty's 'binge' if it has something to do with Haleigh.


I don't even care about the CS, Ron having a gun, the fight with the Croslins...it pales in regards to Haleigh.

What I do care about, is that some (not you nor am I saying any poster inparticular) is so married to a theroy that they spring back on whatever, real or imagined that they believe forwards their opinion.

Right now, the only bone LE has offered in regards to BOTH Crystal and Ron, equally is that they are not suspects...IMO, that puts them both on equal ground.

I can pick gnat poo out of pepper forever in regards to both bio parents' emotions, actions, statements, etc since Haleigh went missing and before...but that IMO does not serve with the limmited information as we know it.

Do I think that Ron has lied...YEP..but I think that Crystal has lied also..but IMO, neither of their lies have or had anything to do with Haleigh being gone..and that is really all I care about.



I respect you as a poster, so my sarcasm was not about you or anyone inparticular..it is about the bashing that both parents get that right now are not suspects, and still have a son that needs both of them, and a daughter that needs to be found.

[titanfan217]

ugh, i missed that, i guess....are the transcripts up yet for NG???
..how did he answer that?

I believe he said 17 minutes. It was during the thing about him pick up HaLeigh and then going to work.

I may be wrong on this, but will rewatch again, now that it's quiet and I shouldn't have any interuptions from a 4 year old.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Was trying to catch up on the other Board and realized it was closed for the weekend

Could I get quick snippet of the new news?

Appreciate it

(:

[SmoothRider]

I believe he said 17 minutes. It was during the thing about him pick up HaLeigh and then going to work.

I may be wrong on this, but will rewatch again, now that it's quiet and I shouldn't have any interuptions from a 4 year old.

ok, cool....i've got to get to bed, but i'll check out the transcript for the show, tomorrow morning...not sure if NG reruns again here or not..it's already been on twice, tonight...i watched the original, but missed the rerun, lol....

later:seeya:

[Tracian]

Believe it or not Ron spoke on tee vee. :confused:



Gotta be honest, in general Ron and Crystal are not what I would refer to as good under pressure.

They both choke...of course both of them have a missing child..

[Lynn Gweeny]

thanks SO much for posting this!...i had forgotten about it..(in bold above)

The link posted by Adalena goes to page not found when clicked on, so I'm wondering if this is the link she's referring. The quote isn't exactly what Adalana posted according to the transcript from the 11th of February. The quote I was able to find doesn't mention that Misty never called him until he pulled in the driveway. If Adalena has the exact quote and the actual transcript (since the link she posted doesn't work) that would surely help, imo.

From the NG transcript from 2/11/09:

GRACE: So sometime between 11:00 PM and 3:30 AM, Haleigh goes missing. Now, did she call 911?

CUMMINGS: No, she did not, not until after I was there. She tried to call me, but I was pulling in the driveway. So I asked her how come she was trying to call me, she needed to call 911. So she immediately called them then.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/11/ng.01.html

[Tracian]

Please light a candle for Haleigh everyone!

Also, thanks Justice for the holiday thread.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=HAMC


Normally, I just light the ones in my front window, to bring all the missing home..but I did visit the page and light one there..

Thanks for the link.

[teresa]

thanks SO much for posting this!...i had forgotten about it..(in bold above)


GRACE: So sometime between 11:00 PM and 3:30 AM, Haleigh goes missing. Now, did she call 911?

CUMMINGS: No, she did not, not until after I was there. She tried to call me, but I was pulling in the driveway. So I asked her how come she was trying to call me, she needed to call 911. So she immediately called them then.

This is the actual quote.

Lynn dangit, that's what I get for putting clean sheets on the bed!

[titanfan217]

ok, cool....i've got to get to bed, but i'll check out the transcript for the show, tomorrow morning...not sure if NG reruns again here or not..it's already been on twice, tonight...i watched the original, but missed the rerun, lol....

later:seeya:

I was wrong --------- it was 19 minutes, not 17. Even stranger since that is so close to 20.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Afraid of the dark.hum..I do recall that now.....ok..she was 5 y/o ( at the time)...what would a 5 y/o do if they wake up & a party is going on in their house..what would they do??? Try & call daddy..phone turned off...now what???

Personally I have no idea..as I have never been in that position and I have never put my child in that position and I never will.

Most would just go back to bed

(shrug)

[TaraCrazyHair]

GRACE: So sometime between 11:00 PM and 3:30 AM, Haleigh goes missing. Now, did she call 911?

CUMMINGS: No, she did not, not until after I was there. She tried to call me, but I was pulling in the driveway. So I asked her how come she was trying to call me, she needed to call 911. So she immediately called them then.

This is the actual quote.

Lynn dangit, that's what I get for putting clean sheets on the bed!

I thought he stated he turned the house upside down first then called 911?

[teresa]

I thought he stated he turned the house upside down first then called 911?

Misty said that. I think he said he was turning it upside down while she was on the phone with them. Who knows, Tara? Who would have thought all these months later we'd still have so many unanswered questions?

[Lynn Gweeny]

I thought he stated he turned the house upside down first then called 911?

RONALD CUMMINGS: I pulled into the yard. The front door was wide open. She was standing in it. I asked her what she was doing up. She told me that the back door was wide open and Haleigh was gone. I turned the house upside-down and told her to call 911.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/16/ng.01.html

[TaraCrazyHair]

RONALD CUMMINGS: I pulled into the yard. The front door was wide open. She was standing in it. I asked her what she was doing up. She told me that the back door was wide open and Haleigh was gone. I turned the house upside-down and told her to call 911.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/16/ng.01.html

So he took the time to look through the house then told her to call 911 or did he indeed tell her to call 911 before he even entered the house?

Major difference there

[TaraCrazyHair]

I simply cannot comprehend the fact there is no arrest in this case with all the lies, inconsistencies and red flags out the ying yang

Baffled!

[Lynn Gweeny]

So he took the time to look through the house then told her to call 911 or did he indeed tell her to call 911 before he even entered the house?

Major difference there

Difficult to say because unfortunately, many reporters including NG don't seem to ask follow up questions to clarify ... such as you mean you waited to call 911? OR so are you saying you were turning the house upside down as Misty was calling 911? OR you turned the house upside down before you called 911? OR you told Misty to call 911 when you got out of your vehicle? .....

So many, many unanswered questions, imo.

[TaraCrazyHair]

In the Westerfield(?) case, there was a theory that Danielle may have wandered outside and that it was a crime of opportunity because her DNA and hair was in his RV but they never found a trace of him in her house or room.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Misty's parents live across the street? Would Haleigh wake up from a phone fight or loud party and wander over there, perhaps snatched off the street by an opportunist? The problem with that is WHO propped the back door open with a brick and why?

I have another problem with the open back door. I know it's Florida, but in the early videos, Misty looks pretty bundled up in layers at night. Maybe they do not need much heat, but in February, even in Florida, wouldn't it get pretty cold if the back door was wide open? And I still do not get the blanket situation - did Haleigh have a blanket at all when Misty says she put her in bed?


I was not aware her parents lived across the street? Are you certain about that?

As far as Misty -- even when temps reached 100 degrees there she still wore long sleeves

Hiding bruises ... track marks .. or always just cold?

No answer but in all the pics of her I do not recall seeing her bare arms

(shrug)

[Elle]

Difficult to say because unfortunately, many reporters including NG don't seem to ask follow up questions to clarify ... such as you mean you waited to call 911? OR so are you saying you were turning the house upside down as Misty was calling 911? OR you turned the house upside down before you called 911? OR you told Misty to call 911 when you got out of your vehicle? .....

So many, many unanswered questions, imo.

I took it as simultaneous, him looking/her calling. "I turned the house upside down and told her to call 911"
I feel that there would have been the addition of the word 'then' if it were otherwise.
I turned the house upside down and 'then' told her to call 911.

But that is just my interpretation

[Motomom]

Probably a party with the "dream-4"....
but I highly doubt Haleigh went outside as she is afraid of the dark according to her daddy.

MOO

I think if she went out, they would have found her unless at that point someone grabbed her up.

As for the "dream" I think that is a way to get information out of Misty..

[emdragon]

thanks SO much for posting this!...i had forgotten about it..(in bold above)

Misty never called him about Haleigh being gone until he was pulling in the driveway.

[Motomom]

I took it as simultaneous, him looking/her calling. "I turned the house upside down and told her to call 911"
I feel that there would have been the addition of the word 'then' if it were otherwise.
I turned the house upside down and 'then' told her to call 911.

But that is just my interpretation

My interpretation as well Elle. Also, none of them speak proper, they are always seeming to misue the simplist of words IMO.

[Elle]

Thanks!

This has been bothering me. From the original 911 call:

"CUMMINGS: If I find whoever has my daughter before y`all do, I`m killing him. I don`t care. I`ll spend the rest of my life in prison, I`m telling you. You can put it on the report, and I don`t care.

911 OPERATOR: OK. It`s OK, sir. We`ve got them on the way. OK, can you give me any -- what kind of description of her pajamas that she was wearing?

CUMMINGS: I don`t (DELETED) know! I was at work!

911 OPERATOR: OK, sir, we`ve got them coming, OK?"

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/11/ng.01.html


So it would seem RC really doesn't know because he was not home when she was/would have been changed to pajamas. In a fast-paced, tension-filled 911 call, would a guilty RC have the mental acuity to realize that 1) this is not information he would know? or would a guilty person blurt out pink pajamas, and 2) he does not offer other clothing as what he last saw her wearing, her school clothes. We do not know what GGM saw her wearing at 7 PM?

But Misty should have been the one to have just hours before put her in pajamas or not, and there was the blanket issue, yet Misty recalls the wrong pink pajama top that was found in the laundry hamper?

This makes me think that Misty never did put Haleigh in pajamas. Were her school clothes missing?

You make good points. I do not believe Ron harmed Haleigh or had knowledge of harm done to Haleigh in any way until he got home. I believe he was genuine on the 911 call.
I never really found the shirt to be a big deal, I can't count the times that I put my kids to bed and unless something out of the ordinary happened at the time I was having them change to make me take special note, I probably would not remember...for me the nights seemed to run together. It is also possible Haleigh changed her shirt, maybe spilled something on it or something and changed it. Maybe Misty thought she remembered and was wrong or made it up because she couldn't remember and felt she should know. Then again it could have been Misty covering up something. I have no idea, it could be something, it could be nothing. Isn't Misty the one who pointed out the shirt in the clothes pile during the walk through?

imo

[Motomom]

You make good points. I do not believe Ron harmed Haleigh or had knowledge of harm done to Haleigh in any way until he got home. I believe he was genuine on the 911 call.
I never really found the shirt to be a big deal, I can't count the times that I put my kids to bed and unless something out of the ordinary happened at the time I was having them change to make me take special note, I probably would not remember...for me the nights seemed to run together. It is also possible Haleigh changed her shirt, maybe spilled something on it or something and changed it. Maybe Misty thought she remembered and was wrong or made it up because she couldn't remember and felt she should know. Then again it could have been Misty covering up something. I have no idea, it could be something, it could be nothing. Isn't Misty the one who pointed out the shirt in the clothes pile during the walk through?

imo


I thought she was the one who pointed it out on a walk through with LE but that could have been a rumor. I'm not sure. I also don't think that I'd remember exactly what my kids wore to bed. She was also capable of changing as well, or possibly having two pair of pink pjs. Misty could be confused, maybe doesn't even know. Maybe she said.. go get changed and get into bed. Could just be an outright lie too. I'm with you, I don't believe Ron had anything or knows anything about Haleighs disappearance. I also don't think that the support we see of Misty is true either.

[Elle]

My interpretation as well Elle. Also, none of them speak proper, they are always seeming to misue the simplist of words IMO.

Hi mom
I agree, I think there has been alot of misunderstanding because of poor word choice.
I think too that alot gets lost in reading it vs. hearing it. You lose alot. There is no way to tell if any words are stressed, inflection, gestures ect.

[Elle]

I thought she was the one who pointed it out on a walk through with LE but that could have been a rumor. I'm not sure. I also don't think that I'd remember exactly what my kids wore to bed. She was also capable of changing as well, or possibly having two pair of pink pjs. Misty could be confused, maybe doesn't even know. Maybe she said.. go get changed and get into bed. Could just be an outright lie too. I'm with you, I don't believe Ron had anything or knows anything about Haleighs disappearance. I also don't think that the support we see of Misty is true either.

Oh I agree, I do not think it is true either.

[BitterSweet]

I thought she was the one who pointed it out on a walk through with LE but that could have been a rumor. I'm not sure. I also don't think that I'd remember exactly what my kids wore to bed. She was also capable of changing as well, or possibly having two pair of pink pjs. Misty could be confused, maybe doesn't even know. Maybe she said.. go get changed and get into bed. Could just be an outright lie too. I'm with you, I don't believe Ron had anything or knows anything about Haleighs disappearance. I also don't think that the support we see of Misty is true either.

I mean no disrespect Moto- just would appreciate your thoughts.
So, I also believe RC had any think to do with her "disappearance", however I think he know a lil bit as to why Haleigh is gone.

None the less, my question?
How can Ronald Cummings (given his passion for his daughter), sleep beside Misty Croslin AS HUSBAND AND WIFE>

Why does bad azz Ronald become "don't know, I wuz at work" Ronald when she is around?
BitterSweet

[emdragon]

Afraid of the dark.hum..I do recall that now.....ok..she was 5 y/o ( at the time)...what would a 5 y/o do if they wake up & a party is going on in their house..what would they do??? Try & call daddy..phone turned off...now what???

Personally I have no idea..as I have never been in that position and I have never put my child in that position and I never will.

you have never had a party in your home since you had kids? Not 4th of July,Christmas new years? I find that hard to believe.

[Motomom]

I mean no disrespect Moto- just would appreciate your thoughts.
So, I also believe RC had any think to do with her "disappearance", however I think he know a lil bit as to why Haleigh is gone.

None the less, my question?
How can Ronald Cummings (given his passion for his daughter), sleep beside Misty Croslin AS HUSBAND AND WIFE>

Why does bad azz Ronald become "don't know, I wuz at work" Ronald when she is around?
BitterSweet

I don't see him as badazz as some around here do. Maybe he says "I don't know, I WAS at work" because he really WAS at work?

As far as sleeping next to her, I don't know. Maybe he doesn't believe she hurt Haleigh? I mean, he has to know she is lying now.. I imagine it would be very tense there. It takes a strong person to go on after losing their child, whether it be to death or never knowing. I can't imagine ever being strong enough, yet I have friends who have lost children and they have gone on. He may stomach her for Haleigh, because she's the last one to see her, she holds the key. I think he realizes this. If sleeping next to her, or with her, brings his daughter home, one way or another, than so be it.

That's all I can come up with LOL

[HALE 2d GNAW]

I was not aware her parents lived across the street? Are you certain about that?

As far as Misty -- even when temps reached 100 degrees there she still wore long sleeves

Hiding bruises ... track marks .. or always just cold?

No answer but in all the pics of her I do not recall seeing her bare arms

(shrug)

Tara I have always noticed that Misty seemed *bundled up* relative to what those around her were wearing.Til tonite.

I managed to watch a bit of the *BREAKING NEWS* Show aka Nancy Grace on HLN tonite. I saw some footage I had never seen before. MC is a maroon tshirt with Aerostaple (sp?) logo across front. She seems is very antimated and hyper, a little too giddy IMO. I don't know if this is new footage but Misty's short sleeves and mannerisms seemed so odd to me.

There is also some footage of MC in a white t-shirt and dark shorts. IIRC, it's when she is hanging the signs on the trailer. She *appeared* to have a very large birth mark on the inside of one thigh. I could have been seeing things but that is what it looked like to me. Whatever it was, it was hardly spectacular or abnormal. But kids can be cruel and she appears to have little guidance or support from her family; conditions that might help her build confidence and self esteem. Not sure if that is why she is usually swaddled in winter wear in Fl but I was so glad to see her in clothes appropriate for the weather.


They might be really old clips of Misty, have no idea. It was her mannerisms that really made me take notice. Then I noted the clothes. Like everything else in this case, I am left with more questions than answers :unhappy:

I would like to know more about the MC video I saw tonight on NG (she is wearing maroon tee). If anyone feels compelled to fill me in, I'd be grateful :wuv:

eta: I hope everyone has a safe & happy holiday weekend.

[FrankieBones1]

From the thread just closed, post 1161.

Referring to a poster hoping the work schedule would now be dropped, seeker posted: Well, it's going to continue to be dug up.

So going off that I would like to dig up what some were thinking about the word "clan". And how it was being said. Here is an example from seeker on 9/3 @ post 765:

Do law enfocement officers have to tip their hand? Of course ronald l. cummings has been in their sights from the beginning. He still is. Misty is the weakest link in the chain that encircles this clan of LIARS.

My very strong opinion and impressions based on all we have to read, watch, interpret, and use our common sense with.

Is it offensive? Notice the small letters on Rons name and the words "clan of LIARS". I will leave it to the posters.I agree it is offensive but our hands are tied. We are not permitted to use the report button.
Hope everyone is having a safe and happy long weekend. May this be the weekend that Haleigh is found.
:rose:

[FrankieBones1]

Geraldo? OMG....Geraldo is a media leech..Do you have any idea how many lives this man has ruined? He nearly put our own troops at risk with his sensationalism.

"Let me draw you a map" :rolleyes:
I remember the night he badgered Ronald Cummings. It is my opinion that he put the lives of Ronald and his family in peril by suggesting that Ronald was a drug informant.

I remember the video well. Ron told Geraldo he does not do drugs. I believe that. He may have done drugs before he took on the responsibility of being a dad but not after.
imo

[FrankieBones1]

So is this what stay at home mom's are reduced to in your opinion? Just women who found someone to pay their bills for them? :thumbdown:

This is not what Lqqkout meant. But you knew that already. Right?

[FrankieBones1]

I don't see him as badazz as some around here do. Maybe he says "I don't know, I WAS at work" because he really WAS at work?

As far as sleeping next to her, I don't know. Maybe he doesn't believe she hurt Haleigh? I mean, he has to know she is lying now.. I imagine it would be very tense there. It takes a strong person to go on after losing their child, whether it be to death or never knowing. I can't imagine ever being strong enough, yet I have friends who have lost children and they have gone on. He may stomach her for Haleigh, because she's the last one to see her, she holds the key. I think he realizes this. If sleeping next to her, or with her, brings his daughter home, one way or another, than so be it.

That's all I can come up with LOL
I do believe that Ronald will do anything to bring his daughter home. No one can fault him for that but some do anyway. What a shame.

[FrankieBones1]

Do you have a link where Ron said he had never done drugs?

She doesn't have one because it is not a fact and he has never said it.
For those of us that have followed this case closely we know it for a fact.
A lot of us watched that Geraldo fiasco. We all heard exactly what Ronald said.
imo

[FrankieBones1]

Please don't let the trolls and flamers get the weenend thread shutdown folks. And don't be afraid to use the ignore feature. Mine may get a workout. LOL
I do not see trolls on board but what I do see is what I consider rumor.

You say that Ron said he never called Misty that night but you really didn't put it into context.

Well, here is the context from a Nancy Grace transcript:

GRACE: So sometime between 11:00 PM and 3:30 AM, Haleigh goes missing. Now, did she call 911?

CUMMINGS: No, she did not, not until after I was there. She tried to call me, but I was pulling in the driveway. So I asked her how come she was trying to call me, she needed to call 911. So she immediately called them then.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../11/ng.01.html

[ClimbingRose]

Adalena935 posted this link yesterday evening. I'm carrying it over b/c there's some very telling information that comes just from that interview to get the full effect please watch the youtube interview

From the Greta interview;

He and his mother have contradicted one another on Greta about the fight with Misty's cousin. Ron has contradicted Misty who agreed with his Mother. Greta's show first few days after this case broke.

Ron and the Sheriff have contradicted one another whether there was a breakin to his home.(SOURCE: Fox news to Megyn Kelly) & Greta's show

Ron said he passed his polygraph. Sheriff said it didn't happen! (SOURCE: Fox News the following morning to Megyn Kelly)

Ron said Misty never called him until he was pulling in the driveway the night in question. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../11/ng.01.html

Ron said he never used drugs. His prolific drug arrests tell the opposite. SOURCE: Geraldo's show.

Please dare to watch and listen to all the inconsistencies Greta points out in just this one interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-z6jX8Xvmc

Haleigh Cummings' father, Ronald Cummings' Interview by Greta Van Susteren

[FrankieBones1]

My two would have joined us for a few minutes.
Long enough for everyone to ohh and ahh... get a drink of water etc...

Then I would have sent them back to bed and closed the door.

MOO

Same here, Rucky.
If there was some kind of party going on or people over, why haven't we heard from the neighbors? Did these partygoers have cars?

[ClimbingRose]

I do not see trolls on board but what I do see is what I consider rumor.

You say that Ron said he never called Misty that night but you really didn't put it into context.

Well, here is the context from a Nancy Grace transcript:

GRACE: So sometime between 11:00 PM and 3:30 AM, Haleigh goes missing. Now, did she call 911?

CUMMINGS: No, she did not, not until after I was there. She tried to call me, but I was pulling in the driveway. So I asked her how come she was trying to call me, she needed to call 911. So she immediately called them then.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../11/ng.01.html



Frankie, perhaps it wasn't worded correctly, don't know b/c I haven't got that far yet. But could all of us just relax and calm down about. Perhaps even kinder in our responses? It would really help keep all of us feeling on edge. The issue we are all focusing on his a beautiful little girl who is missing and those near her who lack our passion for finding her. We're all deeply impacted by this case and moments lost where Haleigh could have been found and brought home. Lil Robert still tortures my soul who may always do so. But for Haleigh, look around us guys, us and other message boards are HaLeigh's greatest advocates. Sad? Yes. Perhaps we may not be able to bring her home but then again...you never know.

Each of Us Care for This Beautiful Girl
Climbing Rose

[ClimbingRose]

Same here, Rucky.
If there was some kind of party going on or people over, why haven't we heard from the neighbors? Did these partygoers have cars?

Frankie, it may seem like it but NO I'm not picking on you. I've wondered the same question. If the back door was opened for people to move in and out of would this have been noticeable by the neighbor's. Didn't that door lead back into some woods or something? I suspect more people aren't coming forward b/c whatever was going on in that trailer is something they don't want LE to know about.

[ClimbingRose]

She doesn't have one because it is not a fact and he has never said it.
For those of us that have followed this case closely we know it for a fact.
A lot of us watched that Geraldo fiasco. We all heard exactly what Ronald said.
imo

Would it be easy for you to find those links for us? I came on board toward the end and the Geraldo interview I remembered was when Ronald and TN was pushing him off the property b/c of some statement he made.

[HouseOfClark]

you have never had a party in your home since you had kids? Not 4th of July,Christmas new years? I find that hard to believe.

Yes, but our definitions of "party" might be totally different than the ones *possibly* hosted by Misty Cummings.

:wink:

[ClimbingRose]

I do believe that Ronald will do anything to bring his daughter home. No one can fault him for that but some do anyway. What a shame.

Sorry Frankie, I'll leave you alone for awhile. Ronald lost my compassion as this case dragged on until now we're six months into this investigation..He knew about the beds, he knew there wasn't any laundry detergent, he knew Misty had been partying several nights before and failed to come home. He and Misty had some major fight the night Haleigh disappeared and I'm sure he know more that what's been made public to us. I find his reasoning of keeping your enemies closer quite pathetic. Must not have been a good plan since it's six months later and he's no where closer to finding Haleigh. Look at how he has treated TM and NeJame both of whom are respected advocates for the missing. Regardless if he played a role into the disappearance of Haleigh, he has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO FIND HER OR BRING HER HOME.. There are no excuses for which he deserves.

[ClimbingRose]

Yes, but our definitions of "party" might be totally different than the ones *possibly* hosted by Misty Cummings.

:wink:

Morning HOC!!!

I can say I never hosted or partied in what may have been commom place around Misty and perhaps Ronald but that just MOO If it had been a party similiar to what we are use to perhaps Haleigh may still be here.

JMO

[CC I See]

Same here, Rucky.
If there was some kind of party going on or people over, why haven't we heard from the neighbors? Did these partygoers have cars?

From what I remember reading what the neighbors had to say about the night Haleigh went missing, there wasn't any. The neighbor closest to the Cummings home said there was no activity and that the neighborhood was quiet until the police cars showed up to search for Haleigh. The link to this witness account is in the links section.

[panache]

Would it be easy for you to find those links for us? I came on board toward the end and the Geraldo interview I remembered was when Ronald and TN was pushing him off the property b/c of some statement he made.

Morning Rose

This might help, and if you need the actual video of Geraldo/Ron, I can find it for you.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18775750/detail.html#-

[ClimbingRose]

Ronald is a father to 2 sweet children and he should be held to the responsibilities of providing a safe and nurturing environment for them which allows for health children and may have broken this vicious cycle they lived in. That's a father's love

[ClimbingRose]

Morning Rose

This might help, and if you need the actual video of Geraldo/Ron, I can find it for you.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18775750/detail.html#-

Good Morning Panache, apparently I'm still low on caffiene this am. So, let me share what my impression was and hopefully you can make some sense out of it.

1. Ronald seemed very defensive about this topic. Look at his facial expressions.

2. Watch his family who seem to sense Ronald is being called out?

3. Ronald's abruptness in stating he did not use drugs, even cutting Geraldo's sentences off shows some anger and maybe a protection of his recreational use?(isn't that the way it's refered as?)

4. A big controversy from Ronald who says he does not use drugs and what his rap? sheet show

A Big Red Flag is Waving over this interview.

[HouseOfClark]

Sorry Frankie, I'll leave you alone for awhile. Ronald lost my compassion as this case dragged on until now we're six months into this investigation..He knew about the beds, he knew there wasn't any laundry detergent, he knew Misty had been partying several nights before and failed to come home. He and Misty had some major fight the night Haleigh disappeared and I'm sure he know more that what's been made public to us. I find his reasoning of keeping your enemies closer quite pathetic. Must not have been a good plan since it's six months later and he's no where closer to finding Haleigh. Look at how he has treated TM and NeJame both of whom are respected advocates for the missing. Regardless if he played a role into the disappearance of Haleigh, he has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO FIND HER OR BRING HER HOME.. There are no excuses for which he deserves.

Makes no sense to me. Why is he just now suspicious of Misty (if he is)? Police have said from Day 1 that she's got "inconsistencies". Did that not mean anything to Ron all this time? IF he was suspicious of Misty and/or her activities that night, (as LE clearly was) he should have dropped her like a bad habit. But he doesn't. He makes a public display at Chili's, giving her the family ring, and marries her a month after Haleigh goes missing. Why?

IMO, if the wedding had not taken place (a wedding that was fully sanctioned by Ron's family), Misty would be yesterday's news in the Cummings household and everybody might just have an answer as to what happened to Haleigh.

JMO

[panache]

Good Morning Panache, apparently I'm still low on caffiene this am. So, let me share what my impression was and hopefully you can make some sense out of it.

1. Ronald seemed very defensive about this topic. Look at his facial expressions.

2. Watch his family who seem to sense Ronald is being called out?

3. Ronald's abruptness in stating he did not use drugs, even cutting Geraldo's sentences off shows some anger and maybe a protection of his recreational use?(isn't that the way it's refered as?)

4. A big controversy from Ronald who says he does not use drugs and what his rap? sheet show

A Big Red Flag is Waving over this interview.

From the moment I saw that interview (Geraldo), I was under the impression that Ron was on something then and there. There was much ado conversation wise on the board then, that of course he was on something, perhaps valium. I, for one, don't believe it was a sedative. His responses to Geraldo that night would have been different, IMO, if Ron had been straight. The actual video tells of a glassy eyed, slurred speech. I've never bought into when Ron became a father he gave up his drugs.

moo

[ClimbingRose]

Perhaps I should share with each of you a painful struggle my family has lived with for over twenty years. There are 4 daughters in our family. 2 of which have serious, I mean serious drug problems. They have stolen from us including Christmas Eve a few years back which made for a horrible Christmas since most of the gifts, a digital camera and camcorder had disappeared. Both whose drug problems escalated over time. Several years back we were called to rush to the ED b/c my sister was in the ER b/c she had been beaten(which failed to describe how badly she had been injured.) She had also been raped. During that first couple of days of dealing with this crisis we were aware parts of her story kept changing and parts did not match up. Knowing her past we felt certain it was in someway related but our main priority was her physically and emotional well being. We had also learned from many exeperiences with her that if we sat back and just listened the truth would slip out in pieces. Which it did. Apparently she had been tricking for drugs in the middle of the night while her husband and two very small children slept soundly at home.

During this course of time other things begin to surface including the neglect my nephews were being sujected to daily.. At this point our alligence was given to our nephews and their comfort and safety became our only concern. Our sister had chosed on more than one occasion where her loyalty was and it was never to her children

I share this will each of you to give some insight to the mind of a druggie. They are very good liars. They can truly convince you that what you just saw didn't happen. Allow your self some distance from someone similiar to Ronald and Misty b/c it's from my own personal experience they can reel you in without you being aware.

Just MY Personal Experience Opinion

[ClimbingRose]

From the moment I saw that interview (Geraldo), I was under the impression that Ron was on something then and there. There was much ado conversation wise on the board then, that of course he was on something, perhaps valium. I, for one, don't believe it was a sedative. His responses to Geraldo that night would have been different, IMO, if Ron had been straight. The actual video tells of a glassy eyed, slurred speech. I've never bought into when Ron became a father he gave up his drugs.

moo


IMO he seemed to have a sense of paranoia or a rage barley being contained. Without knowing if what his drug of choice tended to be
I suspect he may have taken something other b/c he may have been out of his regular.

MOO

[panache]

Geraldo/Ron Video

Note the deliberate, hesitant speech of Ron. IMO, trying to control his responses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQTaw18kNUg&feature=related


eta
ClimbingRose

Thanks for sharing your personal story.:wub:

[Dove]

I do not see trolls on board but what I do see is what I consider rumor.

You say that Ron said he never called Misty that night but you really didn't put it into context.

Well, here is the context from a Nancy Grace transcript:

GRACE: So sometime between 11:00 PM and 3:30 AM, Haleigh goes missing. Now, did she call 911?

CUMMINGS: No, she did not, not until after I was there. She tried to call me, but I was pulling in the driveway. So I asked her how come she was trying to call me, she needed to call 911. So she immediately called them then.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../11/ng.01.html

Rumors? Well why don't you go squealing to the mods Frankie, isn't that what you usually do when you see a post you don't like?

After the fight Ronald had with Misty and she turns off the phone I think Ronald may have gone back to the house to see what was going on.

MO

[ClimbingRose]

Makes no sense to me. Why is he just now suspicious of Misty (if he is)? Police have said from Day 1 that she's got "inconsistencies". Did that not mean anything to Ron all this time? IF he was suspicious of Misty and/or her activities that night, (as LE clearly was) he should have dropped her like a bad habit. But he doesn't. He makes a public display at Chili's, giving her the family ring, and marries her a month after Haleigh goes missing. Why?

IMO, if the wedding had not taken place (a wedding that was fully sanctioned by Ron's family), Misty would be yesterday's news in the Cummings household and everybody might just have an answer as to what happened to Haleigh.

JMO

I completely agree with the reasoning some have attached to his behaviors. Especially after that youtube video. At the beginning it does appear he is directing this dangerous game which I can only pray will jump and bite when the time is right. The other thing to consider is that persons with continued drug habits tend not to be able to grasp the reality of the situation. Nor do they behave as one would typically would. But, make no mistake is this any manner of excuse of how they reacted when Haleigh went missing. The loss of your child is a deep primal reaction that can not be covered up by drugs. They behave somewhat different but that reaction would be seen

jmo

[dustyk]

First of all I am wondering why Misty had to ask if she could babysit for someone else's kid's. Seems he did have control issues if she couldn't even babysit while he was at work. Turning off the phone sounds to me like she did it anyway. If all of this is really true. IIRC cobra has said that he thought Misty was at her brother's house that night with the children and when she came home she brought jr in and when she went back to the van to get Haleigh she was gone. Is this something LE is trying to keep quiet? Is this what the neighbors heard earlier mayb Misty looking for Haleigh. Is that why they took the van in for evidence?
Is that why Ronald is believing her? could that be why the bed was made?I just don't think Ronald has the ability to continue to live with her if he feels she had something to do with this.JMO

[n/t]

Rumors? Well why don't you go squealing to the mods Frankie, isn't that what you usually do when you see a post you don't like?

After the fight Ronald had with Misty and she turns off the phone I think Ronald may have gone back to the house to see what was going on.

MO

I have to go back to read NG transcripts but I thought Ron was the one who told Misty to turn off her cellphone.

[ClimbingRose]

[QUOTE=panache;13441731]Geraldo/Ron Video

Note the deliberate, hesitant speech of Ron. IMO, trying to control his responses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQTaw18kNUg&feature=related


eta
ClimbingRose




I only pray each of you will guard your heart and soul better when dealing with cases such as this.

It's one not shared and rarely discussed even in our family. But I tend to dislike all those pink elephants living in my room. As for my nephews, life has been hard for them and many many times I wish I had done more.

I do thank you for your kind words and sympathy. If only one thing comes from it I pray that by sharing this terrible dark family secret it will open the eyes of other that when dealing with situations involving drug use, take extra caution to protect yourself.

[HouseOfClark]

I have to go back to read NG transcripts but I thought Ron was the one who told Misty to turn off her cellphone.

Why on earth would he tell her that and how would he know if she did or not?

Another thing that doesn't make a lick of sense.

JMO

[panache]

I have to go back to read NG transcripts but I thought Ron was the one who told Misty to turn off her cellphone.

Why would Ron tell Misty to turn off her cell phone?

[Dove]

Makes no sense to me. Why is he just now suspicious of Misty (if he is)? Police have said from Day 1 that she's got "inconsistencies". Did that not mean anything to Ron all this time? IF he was suspicious of Misty and/or her activities that night, (as LE clearly was) he should have dropped her like a bad habit. But he doesn't. He makes a public display at Chili's, giving her the family ring, and marries her a month after Haleigh goes missing. Why?

IMO, if the wedding had not taken place (a wedding that was fully sanctioned by Ron's family), Misty would be yesterday's news in the Cummings household and everybody might just have an answer as to what happened to Haleigh.

JMO

Turning on her before she has a chance to turn on him? Threw a scare into him when she called her family to come and get her. mo.

[n/t]

Ugh! NG transcripts are not online yet. I'll have to check again later. If anyone else watched, can you confirm if that's what was said regarding Ron telling Misty to turn off her cell at 8:30. I'm pretty sure that's what I heard but again.....we'll have to wait for the transcript.

[n/t]

Why would Ron tell Misty to turn off her cell phone?

I posted a theory upthread...it was a theory from one of the posters and it made alot of sense if one believes they're both in this together.

[ClimbingRose]

It's become quite obvious we aren't being told everything about this case. Which makes me:angry: Again, how do they think we can solve this with blindfolds on and one arm tied behind our back?

From the information which has become public in the last few days it makes me wonder even more about TN and GGSykes. GGSykes is not some frail elderly woman. She puts me in mind of my mamaw from the hills of the Appalachian. She could kick butt and swing that limb harder than those half her age. Why is she and TN remaining so silent or protecting Misty and defending her with their own words in the public? Comments to others don't carry nearly the value of it coming from their mouths. I still suspect/believe/opinion there is more to what happened the days preceding and night of Haleigh's disappearance. Af for my mamaw. I can vouch for what she would have done that night and Misty nor Ronald would be eating her hot biscuits and gravy.

[Zeus]

Ugh! NG transcripts are not online yet. I'll have to check again later. If anyone else watched, can you confirm if that's what was said regarding Ron telling Misty to turn off her cell at 8:30. I'm pretty sure that's what I heard but again.....we'll have to wait for the transcript.

I watched and I can confirm I did NOT hear anything of the sort.

[ClimbingRose]

My "gatherings" are always "family friendly" the kids are welcome to join in the fun..not sent to bed at 8:00 while the party is going on.

That Is A Very Good Point, Indeed. Which leads me to another question. Why wasn't a child therapist brought in that same night to work with Jr. and Tommy's children? Their little minds held a storage of information that an experienced therapist could have pulled out.

[Dove]

Geraldo/Ron Video

Note the deliberate, hesitant speech of Ron. IMO, trying to control his responses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQTaw18kNUg&feature=related


eta
ClimbingRose

Thanks for sharing your personal story.:wub:

That's not "badgering" that's asking the tough questions everyone wants answered. mo

Thanks for posting that Panache.

[panache]

Don't know if any of you follow Dr. Paul Ekman, but he is amazing and worth reading.

http://www.paulekman.com/newsletter/

[ClimbingRose]

I mean no disrespect Moto- just would appreciate your thoughts.
So, I also believe RC had any think to do with her "disappearance", however I think he know a lil bit as to why Haleigh is gone.

None the less, my question?
How can Ronald Cummings (given his passion for his daughter), sleep beside Misty Croslin AS HUSBAND AND WIFE>

Why does bad azz Ronald become "don't know, I wuz at work" Ronald when she is around?
BitterSweet

I'd be doing just like you. There are those who agree with Ronald's insight of keeping your enemies closer. Well, how has that been working for him so far???
For me, there would be no question as to my motive and just from the look in my eyes some would have been spewing their guts or little bits of infor I was aware of would have been shared with LE.

[ClimbingRose]

Don't know if any of you follow Dr. Paul Ekman, but he is amazing and worth reading.

http://www.paulekman.com/newsletter/

This is tingling my brain. Would you please send me a pm on how to navigate this? Chocolate is on the table.

[Dove]

I have to go back to read NG transcripts but I thought Ron was the one who told Misty to turn off her cellphone.

Don't think so. Agree with you that both of them are involved in this

mo

[ClimbingRose]

That's not "badgering" that's asking the tough questions everyone wants answered. mo

Thanks for posting that Panache.

Isn't there a slogan for that style of reporting? It's at the tip of my tongue and no idea if and when it will reach my brain.

[ClimbingRose]

I was not aware her parents lived across the street? Are you certain about that?

As far as Misty -- even when temps reached 100 degrees there she still wore long sleeves

Hiding bruises ... track marks .. or always just cold?

No answer but in all the pics of her I do not recall seeing her bare arms

(shrug)


I pointed out this very same thing, and got pounded for being insensitive. But, history and experience tells me there is a reason for the way she's dressed. Look at the latest PRC at the new attorney's office, Mist and Ronald are dressed differently.

[panache]

According to this, Misty turned off her phone around 8:30pm and didn't turn it on again till 3:15 am.
Ron tried several times to reach her by phone and text messaging, so its doubtful that it was Ron that told her to shut off her phone. Doesn't make sense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phj0oeuf1iA

[Dove]

I'd be doing just like you. There are those who agree with Ronald's insight of keeping your enemies closer. Well, how has that been working for him so far???
For me, there would be no question as to my motive and just from the look in my eyes some would have been spewing their guts or little bits of infor I was aware of would have been shared with LE.

More like keeping your coconspirator close so you can control them.

mo

[ClimbingRose]

ITA..but there is so much in this case that "they did not do" I just can't get over how this is being handled and I have no idea what the reason could possibly be:confused:. These are not the most intelligent group of people involved but you would think they are the Kennedy's or something, the way LE is tip toeing around them all. If this were you or me...I am sure our azz's would be sitting in the jail house long before now. MOO

I know, I know. This town puts me in mind of another which is dealing with a missing child. Lots of questions about the LE and their procedures and actions are being questioned and hopefully lead to an organization such as FBI to step in and investigate these particular concerns.

[Barbara fl.]

I watched and I can confirm I did NOT hear anything of the sort.

I watched it also and I too can NOT confirm hearing that...

[Zeus]

According to this, Misty turned off her phone around 8:30pm and didn't turn it on again till 3:15 am.
Ron tried several times to reach her by phone and text messaging, so its doubtful that it was Ron that told her to shut off her phone. Doesn't make sense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phj0oeuf1iA

Thanks for posting that.

[ClimbingRose]

More like keeping your coconspirator close so you can control them.

mo

Maybe, but if he was able to control her why hasn't he been able to extract any truth from her. Ronald only learned about Larry and this little girl b/c this little girl approached Ronald. Wonder where Misty was during this little conversation? I only need to bang my head against the wall a few times before I realize that's not working.

[HouseOfClark]

According to this, Misty turned off her phone around 8:30pm and didn't turn it on again till 3:15 am.
Ron tried several times to reach her by phone and text messaging, so its doubtful that it was Ron that told her to shut off her phone. Doesn't make sense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phj0oeuf1iA

IMO, it didn't take 6+ months to get Ron and Misty's cell phone records. LE has known this all along, "fresh eyes" notwithstanding.

JMO

[panache]

This is tingling my brain. Would you please send me a pm on how to navigate this? Chocolate is on the table.

http://www.spyingforlying.com/2009/09/this-is-what-i-think-happened-to.html

[ClimbingRose]

According to this, Misty turned off her phone around 8:30pm and didn't turn it on again till 3:15 am.
Ron tried several times to reach her by phone and text messaging, so its doubtful that it was Ron that told her to shut off her phone. Doesn't make sense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phj0oeuf1iA

Wouldn't 3:15 be around the time Ronald got off work and perhaps commony called to check in. If she was sleeping how could she remember to wake up in time to turn her phone back on?
Seriously we need some vick's if this keeps up.

[HALE 2d GNAW]

I pointed out this very same thing, and got pounded for being insensitive. But, history and experience tells me there is a reason for the way she's dressed. Look at the latest PRC at the new attorney's office, Mist and Ronald are dressed differently.

Hi ClimbingRose,

My post #83 addressed the same issue.

Did you see the NG show last night?

[panman]

Why does bad azz Ronald become "don't know, I wuz at work" Ronald when she is around?

BitterSweet

Why does anyone have to post like this? Just curious myself.

[Barbara fl.]

More like keeping your coconspirator close so you can control them.

mo


I am beginning to think that Ron is so much in love with Misty that he will never want to admit that she had a part in Haleigh missing...I guess that there aren't just females out here that do that...

The more I hear about this story, the more I see Misty involved somehow....Odd that she couldn't be reached by phone during the very same hours that Caylee went missing....The odds of someone waiting outside for her to leave is slim...It sounds more and more that she had someone in the house and she past out (from probably drugs) and the reason the back door was left open was because the person could have been afraid that Misty would wake up if it were to slam...

Whatever the case.....I now believe that Misty knows who took Caylee but knows that if she tells, all hell will break loose" ....


She better start lawyering up....

[jimbob]

Why does anyone have to post like this? Just curious myself.

Attack the post , not the poster is generally the rule of thumb.If you cant manage that maybe a public forum isnt for you ?

Its a valid enough point.Ron changes like the wind , telling different people different things.

[Elle]

Adalena935 posted this link yesterday evening. I'm carrying it over b/c there's some very telling information that comes just from that interview to get the full effect please watch the youtube interview

respectfully snipped

Haleigh Cummings' father, Ronald Cummings' Interview by Greta Van Susteren

Good morning
I did watch the video and disagree with most of the opinions of the poster. I do not think that telling Misty to look at the camera was coaching her to lie, I simply think they were told to look at the camera, that it makes sense to look at the camera, and he saw she was looking over to her left and told her to look at the camera.
I do not think he had to be lying in stating she was opening the door and she was standing in the door, it is possible she was standing in the doorway opening the screen door.
I do not think he was giving extra detail when he spoke of someone like a locksmith breaking in....Greta asked him what he thought and he answered IMO, and his answer IMO did not give extra detail.
I do not think that he in any way was mad because 'Misty was not following the script', I simply think he was frustrated because she was taking a long time or having trouble answering the question as to who was closer to the back door.
I have a door that leads out of my den/sunroom. I have stated that I never use that door. I have used that door, and I do use it for certain purposes, yet I said never. I did not use the word in its true meaning as an absolute, I used it to mean pretty much never or hardly ever, yet I said never. I guess I was lying.

I do not see anything strange or telling in his responses. I do see from that interview and others, inconsistencies in Misty's story. Yes, I could very well be wrong, but that is how I see it.

I also do not see the Geraldo interview the same way you see it. I see Geraldo in his face pretty much calling him a druggie and Ron defending himself. Yes, I think Ron was pissed. Again, I do not see anything telling or alarming, nor do I see any red flags. Geraldo combined present tense w/ past tense, he asked if he 'does' drugs while simultaneously inquiring about past arrests and asking if he is an informant. Ron stated no, there is nothing, that he does not 'do' drugs and is not an informant. I saw it as Geraldo attempting to catch Ron, to bombard him w/ questions to see if he screws up. Geraldo's tone was not IMO 'inquiring' but accusatory, and I think Ron reacted. People can be defensive because they are hiding something, they can also be defensive because they are being accused of something that is not true.

again MOO and just how I saw the video

MOO and OMO

[Barbara fl.]

I don't see him as badazz as some around here do. Maybe he says "I don't know, I WAS at work" because he really WAS at work?

As far as sleeping next to her, I don't know. Maybe he doesn't believe she hurt Haleigh? I mean, he has to know she is lying now.. I imagine it would be very tense there. It takes a strong person to go on after losing their child, whether it be to death or never knowing. I can't imagine ever being strong enough, yet I have friends who have lost children and they have gone on. He may stomach her for Haleigh, because she's the last one to see her, she holds the key. I think he realizes this. If sleeping next to her, or with her, brings his daughter home, one way or another, than so be it.

That's all I can come up with LOL


No LOL here...I believe what you said to be real and make sense....we can not imagine what he is going thru....and we all basically know that he was not involved in any way...

[Barbara fl.]

Good morning
I did watch the video and disagree with most of the opinions of the poster. I do not think that telling Misty to look at the camera was coaching her to lie, I simply think they were told to look at the camera, that it makes sense to look at the camera, and he saw she was looking over to her left and told her to look at the camera.
I do not think he had to be lying in stating she was opening the door and she was standing in the door, it is possible she was standing in the doorway opening the screen door.
I do not think he was giving extra detail when he spoke of someone like a locksmith breaking in....Greta asked him what he thought and he answered IMO, and his answer IMO did not give extra detail.
I do not think that he in any way was mad because 'Misty was not following the script', I simply think he was frustrated because she was taking a long time or having trouble answering the question as to who was closer to the back door.
I have a door that leads out of my den/sunroom. I have stated that I never use that door. I have used that door, and I do use it for certain purposes, yet I said never. I did not use the word in its true meaning as an absolute, I used it to mean pretty much never or hardly ever, yet I said never. I guess I was lying.

I do not see anything strange or telling in his responses. I do see from that interview and others, inconsistencies in Misty's story. Yes, I could very well be wrong, but that is how I see it.

I also do not see the Geraldo interview the same way you see it. I see Geraldo in his face pretty much calling him a druggie and Ron defending himself. Yes, I think Ron was pissed. Again, I do not see anything telling or alarming, nor do I see any red flags. Geraldo combined present tense w/ past tense, he asked if he 'does' drugs while simultaneously inquiring about past arrests and asking if he is an informant. Ron stated no, there is nothing, that he does not 'do' drugs and is not an informant. I saw it as Geraldo attempting to catch Ron, to bombard him w/ questions to see if he screws up. Geraldo's tone was not IMO 'inquiring' but accusatory, and I think Ron reacted. People can be defensive because they are hiding something, they can also be defensive because they are being accused of something that is not true.

again MOO and just how I saw the video

MOO and OMO


You just saved me a lot of typing....thank you

[panache]

Dr. Paul Ekman on the 911 call.

http://www.spyingforlying.com/2009/09/cummings-911-call.html

[Elle]

ClimbingRose

Thank you for sharing your experience.

[panman]

Yes, but our definitions of "party" might be totally different than the ones *possibly* hosted by Misty Cummings.

:wink:

Yea, maybe a Tea party with some secret ingredient in it. Or maybe just some company but not a party. My parties always had booze. My company usually had coffee, you know, just the girls. Oh, I guess I am just bad.
jmo

[ClimbingRose]

IMO, it didn't take 6+ months to get Ron and Misty's cell phone records. LE has known this all along, "fresh eyes" notwithstanding.

JMO

Clearly this is a demonstration of how the local LE dropped the ball for finding Haleigh very early on in this investigation.. An Issue I can only hope they will be forced to answer for at a later time. JMO

[ClimbingRose]

Yea, maybe a Tea party with some secret ingredient in it. Or maybe just some company but not a party. My parties always had booze. My company usually had coffee, you know, just the girls. Oh, I guess I am just bad.
jmo

Invitations in the mail?:blushing:

[panache]

No LOL here...I believe what you said to be real and make sense....we can not imagine what he is going thru....and we all basically know that he was not involved in any way...

*and we all basically know he was not involved in any way*...uh huh, don't speak for me as in *we*. I'm not sure how involved Ron is at this point, but IMO, he knows something.

moo

[Elle]

Dr. Paul Ekman on the 911 call.

http://www.spyingforlying.com/2009/09/cummings-911-call.html

I still see his reaction and concern for Haleigh to be genuine in the 911 call though I appreciate that persons take and find his observation interesting.

imoo

[Themis]

Why would Ron tell Misty to turn off her cell phone?

I don't know. But then ...

Why would Ron not answer his cell phone? 5:19 into the link

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

I mentioned this a very long time ago. There were some who said he probably had special ring tones for important people. So, he could ignore it.

And I say: In that first 48 hours how did Ron know WHO might be calling with important information?

Why did Ron ignore that ringing cell phone in his right hand when it could have been anyone he knew who had received good news about Haleigh being found?

It could have been anyone he knew who had received a call from a kidnapper. A smart kidnapper who knew Ron's phone was likely tapped and so instead called a family member or friend to relay that ransom demand.

And even the camera operator zoomed in on that ringing cell phone.

And even his mother, Teresa N., look down at it. Yet even she did not grab it from his hand to answer it.

P.S. I found it very strange and unsettling. It reminded me of a video interview with Scott Peterson.

[ClimbingRose]

ClimbingRose

Thank you for sharing your experience.

Thank each of you for your support and kindness toward my secret that I tend to not share b/c of a sister who so selfishly placed herself before anyone, mainly her children and my shame for failing to protect my nephews.

[HouseOfClark]

Clearly this is a demonstration of how the local LE dropped the ball for finding Haleigh very early on in this investigation.. An Issue I can only hope they will be forced to answer for at a later time. JMO

I don't think LE dropped the ball on this point. It's kind of hard to go over phone records or anything else when the people you want to talk with are "resisting".

JMO

[Barbara fl.]

ITA..but there is so much in this case that "they did not do" I just can't get over how this is being handled and I have no idea what the reason could possibly be:confused:. These are not the most intelligent group of people involved but you would think they are the Kennedy's or something, the way LE is tip toeing around them all. If this were you or me...I am sure our azz's would be sitting in the jail house long before now. MOO


I just don't see how a person's intellignce should be in the way of a missing child....children show up missing in the most intelligent settings, just as much....poor, rich, smart or otherwise should not be a considering factor during a time like this....A child is a child and all means necessary should be used to locate this child....

My concern is Haleigh gone...and I would so much want to see her returned to her family....poor, unintelligent or otherwise....I do not see a double standard here...I see LE at a loss because they have no real leads to follow.....they do not want to rush to judgement....If they arrest Misty, some lawyer will tell her to keep quiet, so what would LE gain? Nothing....It is better to give a person enough rope and the rest will follow.....jmo

[Elle]

Thank each of you for your support and kindness toward my secret that I tend to not share b/c of a sister who so selfishly placed herself before anyone, mainly her children and my shame for failing to protect my nephews.


(((ClimbingRose)))

[HouseOfClark]

I just don't see how a person's intellignce should be in the way of a missing child....children show up missing in the most intelligent settings, just as much....poor, rich, smart or otherwise should not be a considering factor during a time like this....A child is a child and all means necessary should be used to locate this child....

My concern is Haleigh gone...and I would so much want to see her returned to her family....poor, unintelligent or otherwise....I do not see a double standard here...I see LE at a loss because they have no real leads to follow.....they do not want to rush to judgement....If they arrest Misty, some lawyer will tell her to keep quiet, so what would LE gain? Nothing....It is better to give a person enough rope and the rest will follow.....jmo

One day they're going to run out of rope.

JMO

[ClimbingRose]

I don't know. But then ...

Why would Ron not answer his cell phone? 5:19 into the link

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

I mentioned this a very long time ago. There were some who said he probably had special ring tones for important people. So, he could ignore it.

And I say: In that first 48 hours how did Ron know WHO might be calling with important information?

Why did Ron ignore that ringing cell phone in his right hand when it could have been anyone he knew who had received good news about Haleigh being found?

It could have been anyone he knew who had received a call from a kidnapper. A smart kidnapper who knew Ron's phone was likely tapped and so instead called a family member or friend to relay that ransom demand.

And even the camera operator zoomed in on that ringing cell phone.

And even his mother, Teresa N., look down at it. Yet even she did not grab it from his hand to answer it.


Even so, I would have answered it. Who ever was calling could have been ready to spill the beans sorta speak. I would have collected several batteries always charged and NO CALL would have been unanswered.

[panman]

It makes no sense that we're only finding out about the bed not being made and this alleged fight and Ron telling Misty to turn off her phone. That in itself makes absolutely no sense to me. Why did he tell Misty to turn off the phone at ~8:30??



snipped per CW

I hadn't heard Ron TOLD Misty to turn off her phone. Where can I find this?

[panman]

My "gatherings" are always "family friendly" the kids are welcome to join in the fun..not sent to bed at 8:00 while the party is going on.

ETA...and I would never have a "party" on a school night..that's just irresponsible IMO

Where is the proof of a party?

[panman]

[QUOTE=ClimbingRose;13441764]It's become quite obvious we aren't being told everything about this case. Which makes me:angry: Again, how do they think we can solve this with blindfolds on and one arm tied behind our back?

QUOTE]

snipped per CW

WE are not going to solve this. Thats law enforcements job. IMO

[Barbara fl.]

*and we all basically know he was not involved in any way*...uh huh, don't speak for me as in *we*. I'm not sure how involved Ron is at this point, but IMO, he knows something.

moo


I guess I used the wrong wordage...correction... ."most of us believe that he was NOT involved in his daughters disappearance".......

[panman]

It's become quite obvious we aren't being told everything about this case. Which makes me:angry: Again, how do they think we can solve this with blindfolds on and one arm tied behind our back?



snipped per CW

WE are not going to solve this. Thats law enforcements job. IMO

[ClimbingRose]

I just don't see how a person's intellignce should be in the way of a missing child....children show up missing in the most intelligent settings, just as much....poor, rich, smart or otherwise should not be a considering factor during a time like this....A child is a child and all means necessary should be used to locate this child....

My concern is Haleigh gone...and I would so much want to see her returned to her family....poor, unintelligent or otherwise....I do not see a double standard here...I see LE at a loss because they have no real leads to follow.....they do not want to rush to judgement....If they arrest Misty, some lawyer will tell her to keep quiet, so what would LE gain? Nothing....It is better to give a person enough rope and the rest will follow.....jmo

It's apparent that Ronald and Misty now each of their own attorney which is just one more road block to finding the truth.
Although I'm not sure what you are suggesting about intelligence, I for one feel this plays no role in how a case is investigated LE tend to be similiar to Nurses...we don't care who you are, who you family is or how important you are your family are. Each patient is equal in our eyes and deserve equal care.
As for Misty being quiet. Well, she's already acted in a manner her attorney suggested she not to. Can only hope that flight instinct is strong enough to lead to her tripping up Marjory

[Barbara fl.]

One day they're going to run out of rope.

JMO


Well that will still put them at the end of it...:angry:


I believe Misty will eventually tell the truth...jmo

[Themis]

<snipped with respect>
From the information which has become public in the last few days it makes me wonder even more about TN and GGSykes. GGSykes is not some frail elderly woman. She puts me in mind of my mamaw from the hills of the Appalachian. She could kick butt and swing that limb harder than those half her age. Why is she and TN remaining so silent or protecting Misty and defending her with their own words in the public? Comments to others don't carry nearly the value of it coming from their mouths. I still suspect/believe/opinion there is more to what happened the days preceding and night of Haleigh's disappearance. Af for my mamaw. I can vouch for what she would have done that night and Misty nor Ronald would be eating her hot biscuits and gravy.

Speaking of GGSykes reminded me of another early interview in which GGSykes says: "He was asleep. I got there 10 minutes after we noticed she was gone. I had Junior, he said he didn't know anything...said he was asleep." Also GGS said his story keeps changing. This was after the man in black story was told by C. S.

Link to February 25 article and video:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/news-article.aspx?storyid=132095

Unusual sentence structure again. This tendency among many of those involved has caused confusion for readers/posters here on IS.

[Barbara fl.]

It's apparent that Ronald and Misty now each of their own attorney which is just one more road block to finding the truth.
Although I'm not sure what you are suggesting about intelligence, I for one feel this plays no role in how a case is investigated LE tend to be similiar to Nurses...we don't care who you are, who you family is or how important you are your family are. Each patient is equal in our eyes and deserve equal care.
As for Misty being quiet. Well, she's already acted in a manner her attorney suggested she not to. Can only hope that flight instinct is strong enough to lead to her tripping up Marjory

Another poster mentioned it and I was responding....I feel as you do.....nothing should matter, everyone deserves the same standard ...

[ClimbingRose]

snipped per CW

WE are not going to solve this. Thats law enforcements job. IMO

Pan, it was simply a slight of humor that often comes in handy when tensions are high. Hope you don't consider this to be o/t and should be reported

[panman]

Whatever the case.....I now believe that Misty knows who took Caylee but knows that if she tells, all hell will break loose" ....


She better start lawyering up....

snipped per CW

I believe you meant Haleigh, right?

[Barbara fl.]

Yup..when h3ll freezes over. :rolleyes:



Well, I don't see her as another Casey Anthony....she seems to be a little more compassionate and young....I don't believe that she directly harmed Haleigh.....but I do believe that she knows who took her but is more affraid of telling then not telling....jmo

[Barbara fl.]

snipped per CW

I believe you meant Haleigh, right?


Sorry.....so many cases going at one time...along with my age, I tend to get confused:laugh:

[panman]

Attack the post , not the poster is generally the rule of thumb.If you cant manage that maybe a public forum isnt for you ?

Its a valid enough point.Ron changes like the wind , telling different people different things.

The post didn't write itself. When I see words like that, IMO, someone don't know how to spell. Or they get off on insults. Which is it?

[panman]

Invitations in the mail?:blushing:

It would only be to ones who know how to keep an opened mind. Ones who like to disect without stooping to ignorance without knowing all the facts. But hey, thats just me and my opinion.

[ClimbingRose]

[QUOTE=Themis;13441874]Speaking of GGSykes reminded me of another early interview in which GGSykes says: "He was asleep. I got there 10 minutes after we noticed she was gone. I had Junior, he said he didn't know anything...said he was asleep." Also GGS said his story keeps changing. This was after the man in black story was told by C. S.

Link to February 25 article and video:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/news-article.aspx?storyid=132095




That clearly opens a new can of worms. Who did Misty call first, 911 or family?
GGSykes appears to be sorta speak throwing a sheet over JR. and what he saw or heard.
Again, LE clearly dropped the ball that night by not removing Jr. from the family and bringing in a therapist..
In situations such as this isn't it routine to separate everyone there and then collect their statements?

The actions of some that evening tickles my hinky meter.
It is not what it is


MOO, sorry for the edit it wouldnt go thru

[panman]

*and we all basically know he was not involved in any way*...uh huh, don't speak for me as in *we*. I'm not sure how involved Ron is at this point, but IMO, he knows something.

moo

Yea, he knows his heart, Haleigh, is missing.

[ClimbingRose]

:lol:..that made me chuckle.:blushing:

Don't get your hopes up for that invitation. Looks like we'll just have one of our own.

[panman]

I guess I used the wrong wordage...correction... ."most of us believe that he was NOT involved in his daughters disappearance".......

I am right there with you.

[panman]

As per Misty..and we know how reliable this info is..was it story # 5 or a dream.???.but there may have been up to 4 people in the house that night IIRC. Misty is 17ish...know to go on "drug binges"..chances are 4 peeps = a party..IMO

Up to 4 people is a party? Ok. Known to go on drug binges? I know of one weekend. Were there others?

[ClimbingRose]

Yea, he knows his heart, Haleigh, is missing.

It's your belief Ronald knows nothing about what happened that night?
Ronald truly believes Misty to be truthful?
There's a reason Misty has given inconsistent numerous times to LE?
Ronald's family believes in Misty?

So, on that line of logic, TM is making up lies about Ronald and Misty?
There are no phone records that could provide evidence?
The bed was made or not?
Dirty clothes in the dryer or not?
Laundry detergent?

[Dunlurken]

snipped per CW



Can I ask what this means? Snipped per CW?

Regarding this case. IIRC, Junior said he heard bumping sounds in the front room, aka, the sofa.

There is definitely a lot we don't know. LE probably doesn't know either because they aren't being told the truth from either Ron or Misty. JMO.

[HouseOfClark]

Speaking of GGSykes reminded me of another early interview in which GGSykes says: "He was asleep. I got there 10 minutes after we noticed she was gone. I had Junior, he said he didn't know anything...said he was asleep." Also GGS said his story keeps changing. This was after the man in black story was told by C. S.

Link to February 25 article and video:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/news-article.aspx?storyid=132095




That clearly opens a new can of worms. Who did Misty call first, 911 or family?
GGSykes appears to be sorta speak throwing a sheet over JR. and what he saw or heard.
Again, LE clearly dropped the ball that night by not removing Jr. from the family and bringing in a therapist..
In situations such as this isn't it routine to separate everyone there and then collect their statements?

The actions of some that evening tickles my hinky meter.
It is not what it is


MOO, sorry for the edit it wouldnt go thru

Well, Lisa Croslin says that Misty called her 'that night'.

[HouseOfClark]

Up to 4 people is a party? Ok. Known to go on drug binges? I know of one weekend. Were there others?

Are you saying that the weekend prior to Haleigh's disappearance that Misty was on a drug binge?

[panman]

Pan, it was simply a slight of humor that often comes in handy when tensions are high. Hope you don't consider this to be o/t and should be reported

Why would it be reported? Are you telling me I reported you?

[Dunlurken]

Personally, I think Misty propped the door open that night so she could get back in. Has anyone asked if she had keys to the home?

Pretty strange when a bed is either slept in or not. LE closed the crime scene immediately, so the bed doesn't look slept in to me. JMO.

[ClimbingRose]

Well, Lisa Croslin says that Misty called her 'that night'.

Interesting!!! Has she shared what time the call was received or what was discussed?

[Dunlurken]

Are you saying that the weekend prior to Haleigh's disappearance that Misty was on a drug binge?

It's been reported, but I don't have a link so I will say JMO. That is what the fight between Ron and Misty was supposedly about. Me thinks she's going down. JMOA.

[panman]

Sorry.....so many cases going at one time...along with my age, I tend to get confused:laugh:

LOL, I know what you mean, I just didn't want anyone down the road to accuse Misty of doing Caylee. You know how things get twisted.

[Dunlurken]

Oh come on...it was not her FIRST trip down that strip.. I am sure....MOO

Not the first trip down anyone's strip. JMO. Including Ron.

[jimbob]

The post didn't write itself. When I see words like that, IMO, someone don't know how to spell. Or they get off on insults. Which is it?

You mean like "IMO" instead of stating its your opinion ? People use text differently on the internet and id hazard a guess we all can read it regardless.
Perhaps as you point out "some" would rather insult and belittle than answer what was really a simple question.
I cant provide an answer to the OP's question of why does Ron tell different storys at different times to diferent people.Perhaps its likewise for yourself.

[Destini]

Do you suppose someone (Misti, Ron, some other close family member) had bought a large amount of drugs ($35,000 worth), didn't hand over the money to the kingpin, & Haleigh was taken in retaliation? Maybe the "possibly 4 people" were the henchmen of this kingpin, drugged Misti & took Haleigh, and that's why Misti is so unclear?

Perhaps Misti recognized or knew 1 or 2 of these people who came to the house, told the police, these people have been questioned & deny any involvement. Everyone is afraid to talk because they fear for their own safety & the safety of their families?

Maybe this is why "someone" says that $35,000 will bring Haleigh back? They can pay off the dealer?

Although I have my doubts at this point that any big-time drug dealer is still holding Haleigh safely or would even tell what they did with her, maybe Ronald or Misti or whoever believe this is the only chance they have to find her. I can see a scenario like this, where everyone involved is afraid to tell the truth, and the police don't have a clue.

[HALE 2d GNAW]

ITA..but there is so much in this case that "they did not do" I just can't get over how this is being handled and I have no idea what the reason could possibly be:confused:. These are not the most intelligent group of people involved but you would think they are the Kennedy's or something, the way LE is tip toeing around them all. If this were you or me...I am sure our azz's would be sitting in the jail house long before now. MOO

BBM Thanks for the laugh. I needed that.

Alas, I imagine the poster wars here echo the domestic disputes down there. Everyone here seems intelligent and earnest. That doesn't stop the daily downward spiral of the *discussions* and *disputes* I try hard not to post here. I am weak tho as you can tell. LOL. I disappoint myself when I disregard my personal expectatons and dumb down to their level. I believe we are all better than the folks we are tailing here.

It makes me so sad for Haleigh.

She really never had a chance. Listen to us. bicker. Can you imagine what she had to endure from her own loved ones on both sides? All IMO Now I feel all better :tonguewag:

[Dunlurken]

Do you suppose someone (Misti, Ron, some other close family member) had bought a large amount of drugs ($35,000 worth), didn't hand over the money to the kingpin, & Haleigh was taken in retaliation? Maybe the "possibly 4 people" were the henchmen of this kingpin, drugged Misti & took Haleigh, and that's why Misti is so unclear?

Perhaps Misti recognized or knew 1 or 2 of these people who came to the house, told the police, these people have been questioned & deny any involvement. Everyone is afraid to talk because they fear for their own safety & the safety of their families?

Maybe this is why "someone" says that $35,000 will bring Haleigh back? They can pay off the dealer?

Although I have my doubts at this point that any big-time drug dealer is still holding Haleigh safely or would even tell what they did with her, maybe Ronald or Misti or whoever believe this is the only chance they have to find her. I can see a scenario like this, where everyone involved is afraid to tell the truth, and the police don't have a clue.
I'd like to know who is posting the reward?

[panman]

I'm sure WE won't be miplacing any of the kids.

IMO, you may not misplace them but there is no guarantee they could not be taken. Sorry.

[panman]

It's your belief Ronald knows nothing about what happened that night?
Ronald truly believes Misty to be truthful?
There's a reason Misty has given inconsistent numerous times to LE?
Ronald's family believes in Misty?

So, on that line of logic, TM is making up lies about Ronald and Misty?
There are no phone records that could provide evidence?
The bed was made or not?
Dirty clothes in the dryer or not?
Laundry detergent?

Your first sentence is correct, IMO.

The rest we really don't know the answers too. But I do believe we will.

[Themis]

ClimbingRose
That clearly opens a new can of worms. Who did Misty call first, 911 or family?
GGSykes appears to be sorta speak throwing a sheet over JR. and what he saw or heard.
Again, LE clearly dropped the ball that night by not removing Jr. from the family and bringing in a therapist..
In situations such as this isn't it routine to separate everyone there and then collect their statements?

The actions of some that evening tickles my hinky meter.
It is not what it is

MOO, sorry for the edit it wouldnt go thru

Well, before I join in with criticism of L.E. that night (and it may very well be warranted) I just keep reminding myself that these are words from the mouth of GGS -- the 2nd closest relative to R.C.

I don't know at this point what information L.E. was able to get from the 4 year old boy.

What I did find odd at the time was reading that (1) Teresa N. got there within a very few minutes (15?) and, IIRC, brought with her Haleigh's school picture; and (2) that GGSykes, using her own words, got there in 10 minutes. I find it amazing that these 2 people awakened in the middle of the night, 3:30 A.M., could respond and arrive on the scene so fast.

Frankly, it would have taken me a whole 10 minutes to answer the phone, absorb the horrifying news, wake up enough to find my clothes, put them on, find my car keys, stumble out to the car, and be on my way.

But that's me -- I'm not superman. [JMO * Themis]

[mgrey]

I'd like to know who is posting the reward?There's a reward of $35,000 and there's a wealthy business man in Texas who put up another $35,000 when he heard that Ron said that's the amount he needs to get Haleigh back.

They are two separate things. jmo

[panman]

Are you saying that the weekend prior to Haleigh's disappearance that Misty was on a drug binge?

Nope, I wasn't invited so I was going by what was posted. Do you know?

[Destini]

I'd like to know who is posting the reward?

This latest $35,000 "reward" is being offered by some businessman in Texas, per Tim Miller, from what I have read. Problem is the check has been given to be cashed only upon the return of Haleigh. IMO no drug dealer is going to accept those terms, if a drug dealer were involved.

The money would have to be freely turned over, with no strings attached, if big-time criminal elements are involved. And even then it would be iffy that any information would be forthcoming about Haleigh. But if this is what happened, a drug deal gone bad & poor little Haleigh being the victim, the only chance of ever getting her back is to pay off the debt.

All this just my opinion & only speculation, but I feel it is a real possibility & I definitely believe this is all related to drugs somehow.

[panman]

Oh come on...it was not her FIRST trip down that strip.. I am sure....MOO

I said I have no clue. Wasn't there, don't know any of them. How are you so sure? Please do tell.

[panman]

Oh my..CW might combine the thread...I would be sooo confused!!!!:blink:

IMO, some do confuse them.

[Elle]

I too have wondered that. I know some people "live" by the "NO SNITCH" mentality..and if they are in over their heads that could be a reason for all this "strangeness".

Is the FBI involved in this case yet?

The FBI came in at right at the beginning. I believe they still are active but am not sure.

imo

[panman]

You mean like "IMO" instead of stating its your opinion ? People use text differently on the internet and id hazard a guess we all can read it regardless.
Perhaps as you point out "some" would rather insult and belittle than answer what was really a simple question.
I cant provide an answer to the OP's question of why does Ron tell different storys at different times to diferent people.Perhaps its likewise for yourself.

Yep, its my opinion. If I left it out, so sorry. If I knew the answers to some of these questions, I would hope they would help to bring Haleigh home. But like most on here, I don't.
jmo

[mgrey]

I said I have no clue. Wasn't there, don't know any of them. How are you so sure? Please do tell.So you think that it's important to post over and over again that you don't know anything?

[Destini]

I too have wondered that. I know some people "live" by the "NO SNITCH" mentality..and if they are in over their heads that could be a reason for all this "strangeness".

Is the FBI involved in this case yet?

I'm telling you, I work in the legal field & also have young adult children, and the "no snitch" thing is VERY big, bigger than most people would want to know.

If you had a child or family member disappear because you owed a drug dealer money, how would you ever convince your family or friends or police or strangers to just give you a large sum of cash money without revealing why you need it? These cartels or even a lower rung middleman are not going to just come collect a check.

[panman]

No guarantee...I agree..but over my dead body first.

I am sure Mr. Lunsford and others thought the same thing.

[ClimbingRose]

It would only be to ones who know how to keep an opened mind. Ones who like to disect without stooping to ignorance without knowing all the facts. But hey, thats just me and my opinion.


My apologies for attempting to intrude on any elites party for those of same mind and their superior ability to discuss the important factors involved in any crime.

[Viva4Haleigh]

I am sure Mr. Lunsford and others thought the same thing.

And thats fine, but Mr Lunsford probably didn't stand up for the person who lost his daughter, Ron Cummings is on Mistys side here, and not Haleighs, IMO

If this child was taken over a drug debt, I cant tell you how sick it makes me that Ron and Misty could marry knowing that the child is in distress or worse- totally unforgivable-

jmo

[jammies]

My apologies for attempting to intrude on any elites party for those of same mind and their superior ability to discuss the important factors involved in any crime.


Nice description of "open-minded", CR. :thumbsup:

[Dunlurken]

This latest $35,000 "reward" is being offered by some businessman in Texas, per Tim Miller, from what I have read. Problem is the check has been given to be cashed only upon the return of Haleigh. IMO no drug dealer is going to accept those terms, if a drug dealer were involved.

The money would have to be freely turned over, with no strings attached, if big-time criminal elements are involved. And even then it would be iffy that any information would be forthcoming about Haleigh. But if this is what happened, a drug deal gone bad & poor little Haleigh being the victim, the only chance of ever getting her back is to pay off the debt.

All this just my opinion & only speculation, but I feel it is a real possibility & I definitely believe this is all related to drugs somehow.
Thank you for that info. I don't think there are any big time criminal/drug guys involved in this disappearance. Just a negligent group of parents, if you want to call them that.

"Our daughter" is missing. Come on! JMO.

[Olives]

So you think that it's important to post over and over again that you don't know anything?

Really, especially when it's so painfully obvious.

imo

[jammies]

I'm telling you, I work in the legal field & also have young adult children, and the "no snitch" thing is VERY big, bigger than most people would want to know.

If you had a child or family member disappear because you owed a drug dealer money, how would you ever convince your family or friends or police or strangers to just give you a large sum of cash money without revealing why you need it? These cartels or even a lower rung middleman are not going to just come collect a check.


Thanks for the info, Des. Not so far fetched as some might think. IMO, nothing is beyond the realm of possibility in this case.

[panman]

My apologies for attempting to intrude on any elites party for those of same mind and their superior ability to discuss the important factors involved in any crime.

Aww, no apologies necessary.

[mgrey]

Really, especially when it's so painfully obvious.

imo:laugh: jmo

[panman]

And thats fine, but Mr Lunsford probably didn't stand up for the person who lost his daughter, Ron Cummings is on Mistys side here, and not Haleighs, IMO

If this child was taken over a drug debt, I cant tell you how sick it makes me that Ron and Misty could marry knowing that the child is in distress or worse- totally unforgivable-

jmo

IMO, when the real truth comes out, no matter who it is, I will be equally disgusted.

[panman]

Really, especially when it's so painfully obvious.

imo

If anyone here knows the truth of what happened to Haleigh, I am sure I and others would like to know.

[panman]

So you think that it's important to post over and over again that you don't know anything?

You wouldn't want me to lie now, would you? If you have the truth of what went on, I am willing to listen.

[titanfan217]

IMO, it didn't take 6+ months to get Ron and Misty's cell phone records. LE has known this all along, "fresh eyes" notwithstanding.

JMO

It took how many months for RC to get to LE. April-July just didn't exist.

[Dunlurken]

If anyone here knows the truth of what happened to Haleigh, I am sure I and others would like to know.

I think we know. Painfully obvious. JMO. A neglectful "babysitter" left the child alone while she partied.

[dustyk]

And thats fine, but Mr Lunsford probably didn't stand up for the person who lost his daughter, Ron Cummings is on Mistys side here, and not Haleighs, IMO

If this child was taken over a drug debt, I cant tell you how sick it makes me that Ron and Misty could marry knowing that the child is in distress or worse- totally unforgivable-

jmo
IMO Ronald married Misty becauses of her age. I think that this is around the time the lawyers became involved and he was probably advised that if LE ever needed to hold him on something that they could use this. I don't see any love in this situation at all. I feel like in is need to have someone with the children while he worked he tolerated her. So the marriage at least IMO was to CYA. Many feel that LE would not have enforced the statutory rape charge unless a parent complained, but after reading that law no where does it mention that. JMO

[mgrey]

You wouldn't want me to lie now, would you? If you have the truth of what went on, I am willing to listen.I have to wonder why someone would come to a discussion board and repeatedly post, I don't know anything and neither do you. jmo

[titanfan217]

It's your belief Ronald knows nothing about what happened that night?
Ronald truly believes Misty to be truthful?
There's a reason Misty has given inconsistent numerous times to LE?
Ronald's family believes in Misty?

So, on that line of logic, TM is making up lies about Ronald and Misty?
There are no phone records that could provide evidence?
The bed was made or not?
Dirty clothes in the dryer or not?
Laundry detergent?

TN saying on audio that Misty was about to break, and then whatever that was on NG...

[mgrey]

IMO Ronald married Misty becauses of her age. I think that this is around the time the lawyers became involved and he was probably advised that if LE ever needed to hold him on something that they could use this. I don't see any love in this situation at all. I feel like in is need to have someone with the children while he worked he tolerated her. So the marriage at least IMO was to CYA. Many feel that LE would not have enforced the statutory rape charge unless a parent complained, but after reading that law no where does it mention that. JMOIirc, LE said that other charges would be dealt with later, if warranted but right now they are concentrating on finding Haleigh. jmo

[seeker]

Ouch. I thought we got shut down and I was thinking we weren't even fighting.

I wish someone could have left a comment for people like me who aren't used to holiday boards.

Glad you found it Teresa. I didn't thank you yesterday for responding to one of my posts, though at the moment I don't remember what we were discussing.

[titanfan217]

Do you suppose someone (Misti, Ron, some other close family member) had bought a large amount of drugs ($35,000 worth), didn't hand over the money to the kingpin, & Haleigh was taken in retaliation? Maybe the "possibly 4 people" were the henchmen of this kingpin, drugged Misti & took Haleigh, and that's why Misti is so unclear?

Perhaps Misti recognized or knew 1 or 2 of these people who came to the house, told the police, these people have been questioned & deny any involvement. Everyone is afraid to talk because they fear for their own safety & the safety of their families?

Maybe this is why "someone" says that $35,000 will bring Haleigh back? They can pay off the dealer?

Although I have my doubts at this point that any big-time drug dealer is still holding Haleigh safely or would even tell what they did with her, maybe Ronald or Misti or whoever believe this is the only chance they have to find her. I can see a scenario like this, where everyone involved is afraid to tell the truth, and the police don't have a clue.

Interesting that the $35,000 is the same as the amount of the reward that was raised....

[panman]

IMO Ronald married Misty becauses of her age. I think that this is around the time the lawyers became involved and he was probably advised that if LE ever needed to hold him on something that they could use this. I don't see any love in this situation at all. I feel like in is need to have someone with the children while he worked he tolerated her. So the marriage at least IMO was to CYA. Many feel that LE would not have enforced the statutory rape charge unless a parent complained, but after reading that law no where does it mention that. JMO

I have thought that all along. What I don't know is if there was something more. Like the age and keeping her close.
jmo

[titanfan217]

I'd like to know who is posting the reward?

The original $35,000 or the check this week which is the same amount.

That one was someone from Texas that supports Tim Miller. His name has been mentioned, but I don't have the link available. It's probably in the link thread.

[panman]

Panman,

Those who frequent or attent drug binges go for that sole purpose. Their addiction has continued to where they have developed a high threshold hence the drugbinge that would kill most of us.
These particlar types of party aren't advertised other than by word of mouth which means word of mouth to those who often attend this form of party. This is done to prevent others such as parents or LE from hearing about it. Generally, during this particular parties, various drugs are supplied as well as drinks. However, no one is questioned about their age and id's are not needed.

Just based on my common sense and professional experience there have probably been more than we are aware of but these are just my opinions as you surely have yours

My opinion is not far off from yours. From experience also. The difference I feel is not knowing if that happened the night Haleigh went missing. And who did it.
jmo

[dustyk]

Iirc, LE said that other charges would be dealt with later, if warranted but right now they are concentrating on finding Haleigh. jmo
I do remember that but he doesn't have to worry about that now does he. JMO

[panman]

I have to wonder why someone would come to a discussion board and repeatedly post, I don't know anything and neither do you. jmo

Its simple really. We don't know what happened. We don't know who took her. We can guess, and thats it.
jmo

[mgrey]

I do remember that but he doesn't have to worry about that now does he. JMOBecause he married her? He still broke the law so I think he could be charged. jmo

[Viva4Haleigh]

Because he married her? He still broke the law so I think he could be charged. jmo

And- if he has had some diabolical plan to marry her to keep her close and do all the things married couples do- assuming they have sex:rolleyes:
Then its a new form of sexual abuse, or maybe not new, maybe the term is bizarre-

jmo

[dustyk]

Because he married her? He still broke the law so I think he could be charged. jmo

only now the confidentiality between spouses does apply, it only doesn't apply concerning the children, no I am afraid he got away with this one. JMO

[seeker]

This latest $35,000 "reward" is being offered by some businessman in Texas, per Tim Miller, from what I have read. Problem is the check has been given to be cashed only upon the return of Haleigh. IMO no drug dealer is going to accept those terms, if a drug dealer were involved.

The money would have to be freely turned over, with no strings attached, if big-time criminal elements are involved. And even then it would be iffy that any information would be forthcoming about Haleigh. But if this is what happened, a drug deal gone bad & poor little Haleigh being the victim, the only chance of ever getting her back is to pay off the debt.

All this just my opinion & only speculation, but I feel it is a real possibility & I definitely believe this is all related to drugs somehow.

Let's say this whole scenario were true. What I have trouble comprehending is this:

If Ron was, and is, aware that someone is holding HaLeigh and that they have demanded money, hasn't everything he has said been a lie?

In the plea on the news, the night of his NG interview earlier this week, he alluding to her coming home, even if it is her remains.

HOW could he say this in light of this new information his attorney has shared with the world? (A four- year- old girl has been talking to Ron and telling him that HaLeigh is with a man named Larry) Wouldn't a frantic parent be begging LE, media, everyone to help him discover how this elusive Larry is? Woudn't an honest, innocent man have gone directly to LE with this story? It appeared only in a reaction to the release of Ron's father-in-laws call to Tim Miller. Sadly, it is a poor attempt to make his statement to FIL and witnesses make sense. In my opinion, it further makes him look guilty. His attorney doesn't have much to work with and I see everyone scrambling to save themselves; it appears so crazy because it is. That's my take.

And then the Rose Story: He, along with Misty, took Tim Miller to a rose which he and Misty insinuated could mark the spot where HaLeigh might be buried. LE and Tim coordinated an involved search of the area.

Isn't it reasonable to assume that when things don't make sense, when stories are convoluted and contradictory, that there may be deception taking place?

My thoughts, impressions, and opinions on this.

[mgrey]

And- if he has had some diabolical plan to marry her to keep her close and do all the things married couples do- assuming they have sex:rolleyes:
Then its a new form of sexual abuse, or maybe not new, maybe the term is bizarre-

jmoIt's sickening that a 25 yr old man is living with a (then) 16 yr old girl. Add to that, he now wants us to believe that he is using her (his enemy) to get to the truth of what happened to his daughter.

I don't believe him. jmo

[mgrey]

only now the confidentiality between spouses does apply, it only doesn't apply concerning the children, no I am afraid he got away with this one. JMOBut marrying her doesn't erase what went on prior to the marriage. jmo

[Dunlurken]

Its simple really. We don't know what happened. We don't know who took her. We can guess, and thats it.
jmo

Our guessing helps LE out most of the time. Or, at least it used to. LOL. And it also helps defense and prosecution build a good case when they find the perp. JMO.

[Dunlurken]

It's sickening that a 25 yr old man is living with a (then) 16 yr old girl. Add to that, he now wants us to believe that he is using her (his enemy) to get to the truth of what happened to his daughter.

I don't believe him. jmo

I don't believe him either. He married her to avoid rape charges. JMO.

[seeker]

I think we know. Painfully obvious. JMO. A neglectful "babysitter" left the child alone while she partied.

"Painfully obvious?" This just goes to show how individuals see the same situations and interpret them in glaringly different ways.

When will Ron's Lies be spoken about as much, and as adamantly, as those of the young girl being primed to take the fall? And the lies of Ron's mother and grand-mother; including their very suspicious behavior up to this very day?

Of course, my impressions of what we are witnessing.

[Dunlurken]

"Painfully obvious?" This just goes to show how individuals see the same situations and interpret them in glaringly different ways.

When will Ron's Lies be spoken about as much, and as adamantly, as those of the young girl being primed to take the fall? And the lies of Ron's mother and grand-mother; including their very suspicious behavior up to this very day?

Of course, my impressions of what we are witnessing.



I'm curious if he can be charged with rape, after the fact? A 25 year old man living with a 16 year old. hummmmmmm. JMO.

[dustyk]

But marrying her doesn't erase what went on prior to the marriage. jmo
Right...but how do they prove sex was involved if they don't have to testify against each other. JMO It is not against the law to live there or to babysit the children. JMO

[mgrey]

Let's say this whole scenario were true. What I have trouble comprehending is this:

If Ron was, and is, aware that someone is holding HaLeigh and that they have demanded money, hasn't everything he has said been a lie?

In the plea on the news, the night of his NG interview earlier this week, he alluding to her coming home, even if it is her remains.

HOW could he say this in light of this new information his attorney has shared with the world? (A four- year- old girl has been talking to Ron and telling him that HaLeigh is with a man named Larry) Wouldn't a frantic parent be begging LE, media, everyone to help him discover how this elusive Larry is? Woudn't an honest, innocent man have gone directly to LE with this story? It appeared only in a reaction to the release of Ron's father-in-laws call to Tim Miller. Sadly, it is a poor attempt to make his statement to FIL and witnesses make sense. In my opinion, it further makes him look guilty. His attorney doesn't have much to work with and I see everyone scrambling to save themselves; it appears so crazy because it is. That's my take.

And then the Rose Story: He, along with Misty, took Tim Miller to a rose which he and Misty insinuated could mark the spot where HaLeigh might be buried. LE and Tim coordinated an involved search of the area.

Isn't it reasonable to assume that when things don't make sense, when stories are convoluted and contradictory, that there may be deception taking place?

My thoughts, impressions, and opinions on this. I think a lot of deception is taking place. I read about the 4 yr old child telling him that Haleigh is with a man named Larry and also the statement that if he had $35,000 he could get his daughter back. Then someone comes up with the $35,000 and his lawyer claims he knows nothing about it. I think it's damage control and in that regard, Ron's lawyer has his work cut out for him. jmo

[Barbara fl.]

LOL, I know what you mean, I just didn't want anyone down the road to accuse Misty of doing Caylee. You know how things get twisted.

Oh for sure...a new thread would be open....:lol:

[Viva4Haleigh]

Right...but how do they prove sex was involved if they don't have to testify against each other. JMO It is not against the law to live there or to babysit the children. JMO

Ron should have just signed adoption papers instead of marriage papers then-

jmo

[dustyk]

Ron should have just signed adoption papers instead of marriage papers then-

jmo
LOL I thought of that myself...He did take on a troubled, rebellious and head strong teen ager...but really what if she didn't have anything to do with it and she is failing these polygraphs because she is saying either what LE or Ronald want her to say...the only reason I can tell he is still with her....who is protecting her. She is a child herself who seems to be her own worse enemy.jmo

[Dunlurken]

Boy, she sure is one high and mighty "person", showing off that wedding ring. And Ron walked into the justice of the peace's office way ahead of her. Something just isn't right with those people. JMO. :confused:

Why would you get married when your child is missing? Is there something wrong with ME? JMO.

[HouseOfClark]

It took how many months for RC to get to LE. April-July just didn't exist.

Leap year?

:laugh:

[Dunlurken]

I was under the impression they could not testify against each other if they were married...but the law is different there and in the case of a missing child..no rules apply to marriage ..IIRC.

I think some idjit told Ron if you guys are married, she can't testify against you. Boy was he misinformed. JMO.

bottom line: where's Haleigh?

[dustyk]

I was under the impression they could not testify against each other if they were married...but the law is different there and in the case of a missing child..no rules apply to marriage ..IIRC.
not concerning the missing child...but between them their is spousal privilege. JMO

[ClimbingRose]

OK..the $35,000.00 question is...WHERE IS HALEIGH!!!!!!!!: :cursing:

What's the count in our piggy bank now?

[ClimbingRose]

not concerning the missing child...but between them their is spousal privilege. JMO

Dusty, if one chooses to testify against the other can they then?

[seeker]

Aww shucks, TitanFan ... makes me happy to see that some of my posts get read. You see, I just happened to hear of Haleigh's disappearance that first day. At first I felt so bad for RC and his teen girlfriend and just assumed it was another horrible Jessica Lunsford case.

However, when I watched the 2 interviews by Greta V. S. on 2/11 and 2/12, my hinkey meter hit the red zone. I've linked them many times.

And the one with Ron falling to the ground crying and ignoring the ringing cell phone in his hand with T.N. staring at it.

I watched those interviews by everyone so carefully. I've watched them over and over. Many of the inconsistencies, as you said, are not limited to Misty. I have had a bad feeling from the very early days, and I understand what you are alluding to with regard to GGS.
I still don't understand how she was able to respond to a horrifying phone call in the middle of the night and get to the scene so fast -10 minutes - from Welaka. This is the same woman that C.S. claimed in the custody hearing of 12/05 who kept falling asleep while driving C.S. to medical appointments. [JMO * Themis]

Good to see you Themis and Titanfan,

So much deception, in my opinion. Those early interviews , just on 2/12-2/14/2009 were enough to make me sit up and say "Whaaaaat?!?"

Great-Grandma Sykes, with her controlling and hostile (than an attempt to appear meek, than tearful, than matter-of-fact) interview with WESH 10-days after HaLeigh was gone only convinced me that here is a woman ready to do and say anything to deflect attention from her grandson, not to mention away from herself. No urgency when speaking of HaLeigh being held by someone; no signs of distress at that thought.

For that matter, no signs of frantic distress and horror in Ronald, Teresa, Annette, or Misty at the thought of this precious little girl being in the hands of someone who could be, at that very moment, doing god knows what to her.

Hearing that Ms. Sykes cavalierly admitted that she shoved Misty's family into their vehicles the night of Ron's arrest just sickened me. Why isn't her aggression taken into account? She's spoken of "old-school" discipline, and in the interview where she finally comes up with the "delivering laundry and seeing HaLeigh" story, she can't even help herself from stating that she told HaLeigh "to behave."

I believe she is the matriarch, the orchestrator, and that she made life he** for Crystal Sheffield and that she is doing the same with Misty. She is not above deception and violence, in my strong opinion, and I see HER as a key information regarding the crime against HaLeigh. It is clear she took charge of Jr after (if not before) the 911 call.

Just some observations, and as always, the above reflects my opinions only.

[HouseOfClark]

I was under the impression they could not testify against each other if they were married...but the law is different there and in the case of a missing child..no rules apply to marriage ..IIRC.

IF it's a crime against a child or if the crime had occurred prior to the marriage.

The question remains, were Ron and Misty aware of this stipulation? Or were they thinking like most of us that a spouse cannot be compelled to testify against the other?



JMO

[willow]

Hello Everyone,

I am so far behind and I have tried to catch up with reading links, etc. I do have a few questions that I hope some will help me with.

1) Has anyone ever figured out the Red Rose in the woods? What was Misty reason for taking them there? etc. This really bothers me because someone had to put that fake red rose there, but who, why, and when?

2) Is LE looking for anyone by the name of Larry? I am hoping there is more to this story and LE knows about it. I mean, I would think Ron would ask this little girl, where she talks to Haleigh, etc.

3) I just read a link today that said Haleigh did wet the bed that night. I believe I read it on the guy's web address that talks about lies. Has this bed wetting been reported anywhere else?


Any new information I would truly appreciate it.

[mgrey]

not concerning the missing child...but between them their is spousal privilege. JMOSo you think he can slide on any future statutory rape charges because they can't prove that they were actually sleeping together? jmo

[dustyk]

Dusty, if one chooses to testify against the other can they then?
Maybe this will help...Perhaps in Fla there are stipulations
http://www.mobar.org/journal/1999/sepoct/rold.htm

[seeker]

I think a lot of deception is taking place. I read about the 4 yr old child telling him that Haleigh is with a man named Larry and also the statement that if he had $35,000 he could get his daughter back. Then someone comes up with the $35,000 and his lawyer claims he knows nothing about it. I think it's damage control and in that regard, Ron's lawyer has his work cut out for him. jmo

Morning, mgrey,

I agree that his lawyer has his work cut out for him. I thought the lawyer did address the $35,000.00, along with the little girl who speaks to Ron and tells him HaLeigh is alive, and is with a man named Larry.

I better go catch up on "research."

[Dunlurken]

Oh Dunny...t's not just you...I think we are all wondering WTH was he thinking..IMO..marriage would have been the very last thing on my mind given the situation..just uncomprehensible to me:crying:

Which leads me to believe either he knows something or just plain stoopid. WTH: Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer? Dude ain't playing with a full deck.

I can't wait to see the cell phone records. So Misty waits to call 911 as Ron is driving up to the trailer? I wonder if that was all "rehearsed" ahead of time. He had better be very careful, or he will be implicated somehow.

"How you let someone steal my daughter *****" I don't know. Sounds fishy to me. JMO.

[willow]

The original $35,000 or the check this week which is the same amount.

That one was someone from Texas that supports Tim Miller. His name has been mentioned, but I don't have the link available. It's probably in the link thread.

I also found this very odd and I don't know if I am the only one.

Isn't it strange that this $35,000.00 is the same amount as the reward money for Haleigh?

I don't remember who was looking for the link to the gentleman's name that wrote that check, but I remember hearing the name on one of the links on TJHarts site. ( I hope that helps some)

[HouseOfClark]

So you think he can slide on any future statutory rape charges because they can't prove that they were actually sleeping together? jmo

They couldn't have proven it before the marriage. It's not like LE's walking a beat peeping in windows hoping to catch people in the act.

If Misty had been pregnant, THEN something might have happened, OR if her parents had raised the issue, OR is Misty had filed a complaint herself. Otherwise, she was just the babysitter slash housekeeper that spent the night. Every night.

JMO

[Dunlurken]

Hello Everyone,

I am so far behind and I have tried to catch up with reading links, etc. I do have a few questions that I hope some will help me with.

1) Has anyone ever figured out the Red Rose in the woods? What was Misty reason for taking them there? etc. This really bothers me because someone had to put that fake red rose there, but who, why, and when?

2) Is LE looking for anyone by the name of Larry? I am hoping there is more to this story and LE knows about it. I mean, I would think Ron would ask this little girl, where she talks to Haleigh, etc.

3) I just read a link today that said Haleigh did wet the bed that night. I believe I read it on the guy's web address that talks about lies. Has this bed wetting been reported anywhere else?


Any new information I would truly appreciate it.I would be willing to bet Haleigh was never in the bed that night. So, how could she wet the bed she wasn't in? The beds were made when LE got there, no laundry detergent, etc.

I also noticed someone knows how to make that army/navy corner on the sheets. I find that interesting. Look at the photos of the bed. And why no pillow case on Haleigh's crib mattress? She was a "big" girl (agewise) to be sleeping on a crib mattress. JMO.

[mgrey]

They couldn't have proven it before the marriage. It's not like LE's walking a beat peeping in windows hoping to catch people in the act.

If Misty had been pregnant, THEN something might have happened, OR if her parents had raised the issue, OR is Misty had filed a complaint herself. Otherwise, she was just the babysitter slash housekeeper that spent the night. Every night.

JMOWow, Ron beats the system again. Odds are his luck will run out someday. jmo

[WillowInFlight]

Fishy as a fish fry Dunny...I know how you feel. Steal my kid..over my dead body as I have mentioned before.

I agree that this stinks to high heaven, but Steph it does happen, it happened to Jessica, Polly. I can't help but think that if they can some way turn Ron against Misty, maybe she'll slip up and tell someone something.

Have the 4 "visitors" all been interviewed?

[Dunlurken]

They couldn't have proven it before the marriage. It's not like LE's walking a beat peeping in windows hoping to catch people in the act.

If Misty had been pregnant, THEN something might have happened, OR if her parents had raised the issue, OR is Misty had filed a complaint herself. Otherwise, she was just the babysitter slash housekeeper that spent the night. Every night.

JMO

Why don't her parents raise the issue? Why did her mom let her stay at a 25 year old man's house? she was 16 FGS. JMO.

[Dunlurken]

Wow, Ron beats the system again. Odds are his luck will run out someday. jmo

He's in deep doo-doo. I don't care if he was at work that night or not. JMO.

Marry a 16 year old? WTH was he thinking? :cursing:

[ClimbingRose]

My opinion is not far off from yours. From experience also. The difference I feel is not knowing if that happened the night Haleigh went missing. And who did it.
jmo

So, which path do we choose? Do you think LE has gathered any of this information? In of itself it wouldn't break open the case but add it to the other flames popping up it may be useful.

[WillowInFlight]

He's in deep doo-doo. I don't care if he was at work that night or not. JMO.

Marry a 16 year old? WTH was he thinking? :cursing:

Ron isn't the first 20 something to marry a teenage and he won't be the last. Obviously it wasn't to big of a concern of her parents.

[ClimbingRose]

Aww shucks, TitanFan ... makes me happy to see that some of my posts get read. You see, I just happened to hear of Haleigh's disappearance that first day. At first I felt so bad for RC and his teen girlfriend and just assumed it was another horrible Jessica Lunsford case.

However, when I watched the 2 interviews by Greta V. S. on 2/11 and 2/12, my hinkey meter hit the red zone. I've linked them many times.

And the one with Ron falling to the ground crying and ignoring the ringing cell phone in his hand with T.N. staring at it.

I watched those interviews by everyone so carefully. I've watched them over and over. Many of the inconsistencies, as you said, are not limited to Misty. I have had a bad feeling from the very early days, and I understand what you are alluding to with regard to GGS.
I still don't understand how she was able to respond to a horrifying phone call in the middle of the night and get to the scene so fast -10 minutes - from Welaka. This is the same woman that C.S. claimed in the custody hearing of 12/05 who kept falling asleep while driving C.S. to medical appointments. [JMO * Themis]


That is a wonderful contribution you give to those of us can still only copy and paste. Do you have anything about this Larry who I had never heard of before?

[dustyk]

He's in deep doo-doo. I don't care if he was at work that night or not. JMO.

Marry a 16 year old? WTH was he thinking? :cursing:
IMO he doesn't think...he reacts and at the time marrying Misty stopped the talk about her age and Crystal claiming he was living with someone and possibly losing custody.JMO

[SmoothRider]

I have to go back to read NG transcripts but I thought Ron was the one who told Misty to turn off her cellphone.

this wasn't mentioned on NG or anywhere else, that i know of...it's just a theory, that it's possible RC told Misty to turn her phone off, instead of RC's story, that him & Misty fought, & she turned her phone off, because of that....

[jammies]

He's in deep doo-doo. I don't care if he was at work that night or not. JMO.

Marry a 16 year old? WTH was he thinking? :cursing:


I guess that's the best he can do, Dunnie.

No one seemed to care one way or the other WHAT they did. Therein lies the problem.

[willow]

Hi willow...I will try...

#1. - Misty led them there..have no idea where it came from or how she knew..someone else may know but I never got an answer that I can recall how she knew it was there.

#2 - I have heard of this larry & the lttle girl..have no idea what LE is doing about it.

#3 - Bed wetting...not sure..but IMO..that is no reason for a child being missing..unless maybe the people around her were so immature that they thought that was a major issue and that a 5 y/o was in control of such bodily functions.

Thank you and I appreciate your help.

The only good thing about being behind is that means the case is at least not at a stand still.

As always, I hope and pray that Haleigh is found soon. I hope alive, but I do not think that is going to happen now. I think too much time has passed for Haleigh to be found alive.

[seeker]

I'm curious if he can be charged with rape, after the fact? A 25 year old man living with a 16 year old. hummmmmmm. JMO.

I'm not sure where this falls in your thinking. Do you mean arrest him for Rape against the minor, Misty so they can then keep him in custody and get to the truth about What Happened To HaLeigh? As for me, I'd rather he be arrested for the Crime Against HaLeigh, as unpopular as that thought may be with some.

Just my thoughts and opinions.

If I misinterpreted your reasoning, please let me know, Dunlurken.

[dustyk]

Ron isn't the first 20 something to marry a teenage and he won't be the last. Obviously it wasn't to big of a concern of her parents.
here we go with excuses it is either right or wrong...and the state of Fla says it is wrong and illegal. The problem with procecuting this is it would be wasting the courts time if Misty wouldn't cooperate and tell them they had sex...even if she did by now who would believe her. JMO

[Scampi]

Good to see you Themis and Titanfan,

So much deception, in my opinion. Those early interviews , just on 2/12-2/14/2009 were enough to make me sit up and say "Whaaaaat?!?"

Great-Grandma Sykes, with her controlling and hostile (than an attempt to appear meek, than tearful, than matter-of-fact) interview with WESH 10-days after HaLeigh was gone only convinced me that here is a woman ready to do and say anything to deflect attention from her grandson, not to mention away from herself. No urgency when speaking of HaLeigh being held by someone; no signs of distress at that thought.

For that matter, no signs of frantic distress and horror in Ronald, Teresa, Annette, or Misty at the thought of this precious little girl being in the hands of someone who could be, at that very moment, doing god knows what to her.

Hearing that Ms. Sykes cavalierly admitted that she shoved Misty's family into their vehicles the night of Ron's arrest just sickened me. Why isn't her aggression taken into account? She's spoken of "old-school" discipline, and in the interview where she finally comes up with the "delivering laundry and seeing HaLeigh" story, she can't even help herself from stating that she told HaLeigh "to behave."

I believe she is the matriarch, the orchestrator, and that she made life he** for Crystal Sheffield and that she is doing the same with Misty. She is not above deception and violence, in my strong opinion, and I see HER as a key information regarding the crime against HaLeigh. It is clear she took charge of Jr after (if not before) the 911 call.

Just some observations, and as always, the above reflects my opinions only.



Do you know if LE has gotten all the phone records of sykes and teresa? I know LE did that with george, lee and cindy anthony in that case?

[ClimbingRose]

Oh, just had a thought while watching the link someone posted this morning. All this Eyes For Lies and Body Signs have tickled an area of my brain. During that particular interview Misty wasn't using some of the body traits we see today. Example, now when she explains something she tilt's her head back when answering, her mouth tended to be more closed in that interview rather then the latest ones where they don't close. Thoughts? Crazy?

And always MOO

[willow]

"Painfully obvious?" This just goes to show how individuals see the same situations and interpret them in glaringly different ways.

When will Ron's Lies be spoken about as much, and as adamantly, as those of the young girl being primed to take the fall? And the lies of Ron's mother and grand-mother; including their very suspicious behavior up to this very day?

Of course, my impressions of what we are witnessing.



I agree Seeker and your post reminds me of another question.

I am sorry, I should have saved the links as I was trying to catch up.

Am I correct that Ron does not have to be to work until 5:00 p.m...anyone?

[SmoothRider]

First of all I am wondering why Misty had to ask if she could babysit for someone else's kid's. Seems he did have control issues if she couldn't even babysit while he was at work. Turning off the phone sounds to me like she did it anyway. If all of this is really true. IIRC cobra has said that he thought Misty was at her brother's house that night with the children and when she came home she brought jr in and when she went back to the van to get Haleigh she was gone. Is this something LE is trying to keep quiet? Is this what the neighbors heard earlier mayb Misty looking for Haleigh. Is that why they took the van in for evidence?
Is that why Ronald is believing her? could that be why the bed was made?I just don't think Ronald has the ability to continue to live with her if he feels she had something to do with this.JMO

hmmm, a lot to ponder..

[Dunlurken]

Oh, just had a thought while watching the link someone posted this morning. All this Eyes For Lies and Body Signs have tickled an area of my brain. During that particular interview Misty wasn't using some of the body traits we see today. Example, now when she explains something she tilt's her head back when answering, her mouth tended to be more closed in that interview rather then the latest ones where they don't close. Thoughts? Crazy?

And always MOO

Not crazy at all. Everyone is trying to "clean up" their act. No pony tails, no smoking, etc.

I also notice she looks down and to the left! :laugh: Called lying (body language wise).


I wonder if anyone has the Today show link while she and Ron were on there "honeymoon". She rarely speaks unless looking at him for approval of what she should say. JMO.

[WillowInFlight]

here we go with excuses it is either right or wrong...and the state of Fla says it is wrong and illegal. The problem with procecuting this is it would be wasting the courts time if Misty wouldn't cooperate and tell them they had sex...even if she did by now who would believe her. JMO

But should that even be the focus now? I would rather the focus be on Haleighs whereabouts, once Haleigh is found, they can go after both Ron and Misty, I for one would have never left my two children in the care of a 16 year old child.

[Dunlurken]

I agree Seeker and your post reminds me of another question.

I am sorry, I should have saved the links as I was trying to catch up.

Am I correct that Ron does not have to be to work until 5:00 p.m...anyone?

Don't have the link, but the answer is "yes" and he showed up 45 minutes early. Picked up Haleigh at 3:15/3:30 from the bus stop. Was at work around 4:00. Don't know how far away it was, but I think either 15 minutes or 15 miles. Doing this from memory, so please bear with me. JMO.

[WillowInFlight]

Not crazy at all. Everyone is trying to "clean up" their act. No pony tails, no smoking, etc.

I also notice she looks down and to the left! :laugh: Called lying (body language wise).


I wonder if anyone has the Today show link while she and Ron were on there "honeymoon". She rarely speaks unless looking at him for approval of what she should say. JMO.

Kinda like how George looks at Cindy. :laugh:

[titanfan217]

I think a lot of deception is taking place. I read about the 4 yr old child telling him that Haleigh is with a man named Larry and also the statement that if he had $35,000 he could get his daughter back. Then someone comes up with the $35,000 and his lawyer claims he knows nothing about it. I think it's damage control and in that regard, Ron's lawyer has his work cut out for him. jmo

Who's going to do the damage control for the lawyer?

I'm still trying to figure how he believed that on that particular day Ron made it to work in exactly 19 minutes after he supposedly picked up HaLeigh at the bus stop somewhere around 3:30, took her home, and drove to work.