Phil Spector

[Justice4all]

In rambling letters to a pal, Spector, serving life for murdering a B-list actress, moaned: "Imagine sending me to the same prison - shows how low they can go.

"They'd kill you in here for a 39-cent bag of soup!"

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2596825/Phil-Spector-Im-scared-in-this-snake-pit-prison.html

[jaxback]

In rambling letters to a pal, Spector, serving life for murdering a B-list actress, moaned: "Imagine sending me to the same prison - shows how low they can go.

"They'd kill you in here for a 39-cent bag of soup!"

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2596825/Phil-Spector-Im-scared-in-this-snake-pit-prison.html

Awwww, poor Phil. I almost feel sor...uh, wait, no I don't. He's exactly where he belongs.

[Details]

Not nearly as scared as Lana was, as the gun was forced into her mouth and she was murdered by Spector.

[oodi]

I guess he is expecting Club Med. :huh:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32484098/ns/entertainment-celebrities/?gt1=43001

[KatieLady]

Wants to be moved to a "better prison" :rolleyes:

Now he knows how Lana must have felt in her last seconds of life :rose:

[KittyMom]

He said he is working with his attorneys “to get a better prison with people more like myself in it during the appeal process instead of all these lowlife scumbags, gangsters and Manson types....They’d kill you here for a 39-cent bag of soup!”

Not the quote I'd want out there for the lowlife, scumbags, gangsters, soup killers to see. I'm thinking this close, personal friend might not be as friendly as good ole Phil thinks. :sneaky:

[Roux]

Poor Rachelle had to change her clothes to conform to dress guidelines. Still thinks rules don't apply to her.

[SailorsMom60]

So he is scared! Who really cares? I'm sure he isn't the only murderer in prison who would like to be sent to a "Better Prison". I guess he was expecting (because after all, he IS Phil Spector) to be sent to a white collar crime facility.

Someone needs to remind him that no matter what he was before, he is now just a convicted murderer among other convicted murders where he belongs!

[tartangirl]

Prison is a GOOD place for the likes of PS. He will not find a BETTER place than what he has now
unless it is a padded cell. As much as he dislikes it, the convict will be where he is for as long as he lives, prison is the BEST that he will ever get!


~ as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~ At Last ~

[oodi]

As per the article:

"The prison is 400 miles from their Alhambra home, he said, and his wife has been driving back and forth each weekend."

Just to clarify for those that aren't in California... Corcoran is NOT 400 miles from Alhambra. Without mapping it out, my guestimate is about 150 miles.

[Anakerie]

As per the article:

"The prison is 400 miles from their Alhambra home, he said, and his wife has been driving back and forth each weekend."

Just to clarify for those that aren't in California... Corcoran is NOT 400 miles from Alhambra. Without mapping it out, my guestimate is about 150 miles.
I just google mapped it and you are close oodi... It's 184 miles from Alhambra to Corcoran... I didn't use addresses nor did I direct it to the prison... Just Alhambra to Corcoran..

PS, his wife and his publicist are pathetic... Especially if they think that the whole world would believe the garbage they are dishing up. What amazes me is that the media is eating the crap up and spewing it back out to the rest of us...

[vonna]

As per the article:

"The prison is 400 miles from their Alhambra home, he said, and his wife has been driving back and forth each weekend."

Just to clarify for those that aren't in California... Corcoran is NOT 400 miles from Alhambra. Without mapping it out, my guestimate is about 150 miles.

It's hilarious to know that Phil considers himself superior to the other murderers! On the other hand he probably will never feel safe without his gun.

[Shevarash]

This is the same man who went to a class reunion but had his bodyguards keep the lowlife classmates away from his table. Phil does not a appear to be a very gracious person in any social situation.

I also find it interesting that while some media outlets find this to be a old, boring, pointless case, but that the Associated Press keeps publishing stories about Phil Spector.

Also, what dress code caused poor Rachelle to have to change what she was wearing?

Shevarash

[GIGI4256]

Awwww, poor Phil!!!:tonguewag:

[vonna]

This is the same man who went to a class reunion but had his bodyguards keep the lowlife classmates away from his table. Phil does not a appear to be a very gracious person in any social situation.

I also find it interesting that while some media outlets find this to be a old, boring, pointless case, but that the Associated Press keeps publishing stories about Phil Spector.

Also, what dress code caused poor Rachelle to have to change what she was wearing?

Shevarash


And what other clothing did she have with her to use? Perhaps the guards merely asked her to button up.

[oodi]

I just google mapped it and you are close oodi... It's 184 miles from Alhambra to Corcoran... I didn't use addresses nor did I direct it to the prison... Just Alhambra to Corcoran..

PS, his wife and his publicist are pathetic... Especially if they think that the whole world would believe the garbage they are dishing up. What amazes me is that the media is eating the crap up and spewing it back out to the rest of us...

You are so right, Anakerie! Like the “Even though 24/7 lockdown in a 3’ by 7’ cell is very tough.” comment. A cell that size would only accomodate a cot. If his cell was really that size, where would he put the computer, tv and iPod he wants so badly????

This is the same man who went to a class reunion but had his bodyguards keep the lowlife classmates away from his table. Phil does not a appear to be a very gracious person in any social situation.

I also find it interesting that while some media outlets find this to be a old, boring, pointless case, but that the Associated Press keeps publishing stories about Phil Spector.

Also, what dress code caused poor Rachelle to have to change what she was wearing?

Shevarash

Hi Shevarash,

My guess is that she was wearing something that was "revealing" in some manner, or otherwise inappropriate. When I toured Pleasant Valley State Prison, we were required to wear business casual, nothing revealing, and no denim of any kind. Granted, we toured the entire prison, and not just the visiting area... but I would assume some of the same standards apply to visitors.

[CHITCHAT]

Waaaaaa. Poor Spec. Hes suffering. Poor little wissel. And why does his Mrs get to visit twice a week? most prisoners get once a week...and she can take food...she shouldnt be taking anything...Hes still getting special treatment and hes still complaining...maybe he wants to be a prisoner at the trump tower?

[Rucky*Ron]

:confused: Where IS that 'world's smallest violin' icon when I need it? :shrug:

[Deannalynn]

Poor Phil Spector. I think Rachelle should send the warden a request with a nice pic of herself. (wink)
Maybe the warden will have a room next to his office renovated into a plush 1 bedroom apartment with windows and everything. A phone that only rings from the kitchen when they want to take his order for Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner.
The laundry room available to call him and ask him how many threads counts he wants in his sheets. (800 count):lol:

[SailorsMom60]

And what other clothing did she have with her to use? Perhaps the guards merely asked her to button up.

That is likely closer to the truth, vonna!:seeya:


Maybe it was a good excuse to go buy a new designer suit!

[Themis]

The link below should clear up some of the reporting done with regard to Spector:

http://newsblaze.com/story/20090730145020nnnn.nb/topstory.html

[kennedy06]

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/phil-spector-hates-snake-pit_1113449

Wow a visit from her is a "Darwinian blessing" ! Is that like animalistic or something?:laugh:

Oh now she ought to know the rules IMO. Heck I thought she would have her own ticker till her man gets out like the other women on the different prison chat boards . Also they would let her know what to wear and not to, there is car pooling and a CDOC prison guide for families. (yes I realize serious chat for those families) Hmm she is bringing him in packaged foods really?

Well I had hoped for a change but seems he needs more time. Repeating the letter to the media... gee nothing like telling the rest of the world and other prison inmates basically that Phil is a scaredy cat and thinks he is better than them...no way to make new friends:rolleyes:

JMO

[♫Rock*Star♫]

That article made me all warm and fuzzy inside:) Thanks for posting it!

Me too. :biggrin:

I'm wondering how many inmates are in need of a thirty nine cent bag of soup. :sneaky:

[Deannalynn]

Not the quote I'd want out there for the lowlife, scumbags, gangsters, soup killers to see. I'm thinking this close, personal friend might not be as friendly as good ole Phil thinks. :sneaky:

These prisoners hear more from the outside then we do...
Wait til they catch wind of what Spector is calling them. Ewwwww,
Ahem~ Phil, better really watch your back now.
Calling names is not a good thing.:ohmy: Especially when you share it with the media. Thems Corcoran gents don't take a likin to being called names (especially) by someone like you who thinks he's above everyone.
Phil, you're not...
jmo

[vonna]

These prisoners hear more from the outside then we do...
Wait til they catch wind of what Spector is calling them. Ewwwww,
Ahem~ Phil, better really watch your back now.
Calling names is not a good thing.:ohmy: Especially when you share it with the media. Thems Corcoran gents don't take a likin to being called names (especially) by someone like you who thinks he's above everyone.
Phil, you're not...
jmo

Does anyone know where he could have been sent had he plead to a lesser crime as Shapiro advised?

[Anakerie]

Does anyone know where he could have been sent had he plead to a lesser crime as Shapiro advised?
No telling, Vonna... Probably would have been the same place he's sitting in right now, since he is a "special needs" prisoner... :rolleyes:

On a side note, his whining is getting something moving:

Phil Spector's safety in prison investigated
http://www.sacbee.com/state/story/2126318.html
Here's a bit of the article:
A spokeswoman for the California Department of Corrections (http://topics.sacbee.com/California+Department+of+Corrections/) says Phil Spector's (http://topics.sacbee.com/Phil+Spector/) written concerns about his safety in prison have led authorities to launch an investigation.

Terry Thornton (http://topics.sacbee.com/Terry+Thornton/) says an Associated Press story about Spector's worries was brought to the attention of prison officials who began looking into it Thursday.
I would love to see the results of the investigation into Phil's whiney complaints.

[tartangirl]

Still trying to manipulate the system as usual. Fear ... his FEAR can not ever equal that feeling that his victim Lana Clarkson had at the moment before her death. :sad:


~ as usual, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~ At Last ~

[kennedy06]

Not fearful is the word out now! Wonder what it will be tomorrow:rolleyes:

Martha Stwart probably handled prison better than PS people make it sound like Phil is LOL. Why don't his penpals just tattoo sissy across his forhead, geesh.

http://www.mercurynews.com/california/ci_13169305

[Anakerie]

Not fearful is the word out now! Wonder what it will be tomorrow:rolleyes:

Martha Stwart probably handled prison better than PS people make it sound like Phil is LOL. Why don't they just tatoo sissy across his forhead, geesh what a friend.

http://www.mercurynews.com/california/ci_13169305
Yeah, the Sacramento Bee has added to the story I linked earlier and it now says that Phil isn't "fearful"... What a bunch of BS coming from Phil, Rachelle and the rest of the groupies. The main stream media should learn a lesson and tell Rachelle and the groupies to go fly a kite the next time there's a "news bulletin" from Phil...

[oodi]

Yup... he got called into the principal's office, and is now denying everything... AGAIN!

[True2Blues]

I don't know if PS and his wife think this is going to make the courts feel so sorry for him they'll just let him out (not happening) or if it's just her trying to make him the laughingstock of the prison and the press (if so she's doing well) but it's pathetic.

When you can't even get the size of the cell right, nothing else you say is going to be taken seriously. Phil may just learn that antagonizing the prison officials by putting out false reports is not going to make his life long stay any easier.

I do believe he's afraid and miserable. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving guy.

[Details]

Funny comment from him - he IS with people like himself. They all selected themselves for this prison by thinking they were above the law, could ignore it. He is with his peers, whether he likes the look in the mirror or not.

They might kill over a bowl of soup - what did he kill over? Nothing any more rational.

[Citygirl]

I wonder how fearful Lana was in her last minutes of life..:rose:

I hope he is fearful every minute for the rest of his worthless murderin life..

[Anakerie]

Prison officials probe Spector's safety concerns
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ik5pa7VefNfBxsKkfKVQWE9QET4wD9A6S96O0
From the link:Authorities said Thursday that Phil Spector does not fear for his safety in prison despite a letter that he recently wrote to a friend saying he felt in danger and wanted to be moved to a "better" facility.

"We interviewed Mr. Spector today," said Lt. Stephen Smith, spokesman for the Corcoran, Calif., prison where Spector is held. "Mr. Spector states he does not fear for his safety at our institution. He said he hopes he can stay here at our institution."
Follow the link for more... I think Rachelle and the rest of Phil's "fans" ought to shut their mouths.. Pretty soon, they won't be able to get a reputable reporter to give them the time of day if they keep feeding the media the fiction they've given up so far.. Especially when the fiction is so easily disproved! 3X7 foot cell, indeed... ROFL!

[vonna]

Prison officials probe Spector's safety concerns
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ik5pa7VefNfBxsKkfKVQWE9QET4wD9A6S96O0
From the link:Authorities said Thursday that Phil Spector does not fear for his safety in prison despite a letter that he recently wrote to a friend saying he felt in danger and wanted to be moved to a "better" facility.

"We interviewed Mr. Spector today," said Lt. Stephen Smith, spokesman for the Corcoran, Calif., prison where Spector is held. "Mr. Spector states he does not fear for his safety at our institution. He said he hopes he can stay here at our institution."
Follow the link for more... I think Rachelle and the rest of Phil's "fans" ought to shut their mouths.. Pretty soon, they won't be able to get a reputable reporter to give them the time of day if they keep feeding the media the fiction they've given up so far.. Especially when the fiction is so easily disproved! 3X7 foot cell, indeed... ROFL!

Someone should acquaint Phil with the story about the little boy who cried wolf!! He could have a legitimate concern someday.

[airportwoman]

Not nearly as scared as Lana was, as the gun was forced into her mouth and she was murdered by Spector.

Or the prison he kept Ronnie in during their marriage.

:mad:

[♫Rock*Star♫]

Prison officials probe Spector's safety concerns


"We interviewed Mr. Spector today," said Lt. Stephen Smith, spokesman for the Corcoran, Calif., prison where Spector is held. "Mr. Spector states he does not fear for his safety at our institution. He said he hopes he can stay here at our institution."


snipped with respect

Ha!

Convicted murderer Phil Spector "hopes he can stay" there at their institution.

Yes murderer Phil. You can stay.

For nineteen years to life. :thumbup:

[lune3]

Funny comment from him - he IS with people like himself. They all selected themselves for this prison by thinking they were above the law, could ignore it. He is with his peers, whether he likes the look in the mirror or not.

They might kill over a bowl of soup - what did he kill over? Nothing any more rational.

Bingo. He's simply having an identity crisis. He IS with his own tribe. He ought to put up a little "Home Sweet Home" plaque because that's where he is.

[Themis]

Prison officials probe Spector's safety concerns
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ik5pa7VefNfBxsKkfKVQWE9QET4wD9A6S96O0
From the link:Authorities said Thursday that Phil Spector does not fear for his safety in prison despite a letter that he recently wrote to a friend saying he felt in danger and wanted to be moved to a "better" facility.

"We interviewed Mr. Spector today," said Lt. Stephen Smith, spokesman for the Corcoran, Calif., prison where Spector is held. "Mr. Spector states he does not fear for his safety at our institution. He said he hopes he can stay here at our institution."
Follow the link for more... I think Rachelle and the rest of Phil's "fans" ought to shut their mouths.. Pretty soon, they won't be able to get a reputable reporter to give them the time of day if they keep feeding the media the fiction they've given up so far.. Especially when the fiction is so easily disproved! 3X7 foot cell, indeed... ROFL!
Thanks for the link, Anakerie. This pair of articles is being spread far and wide. So, I have mental images of a few of the principals looking at Spector's very public whining and then his latest comments to prison officials as shown above in your post...

Alan Jackson, Pat Dixon, and Truc Do:lol:

Doron Weinberg and Dennis Riordan to Spector:hammer

[forensicpsy~]

Still trying to manipulate the system as usual. Fear ... his FEAR can not ever equal that feeling that his victim Lana Clarkson had at the moment before her death. :sad:


~ as usual, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~ At Last ~



ITA!

Somebody manipulated the media to print that story, somehow.

imo

[forensicpsy~]

I guess he is expecting Club Med. :huh:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32484098/ns/entertainment-celebrities/?gt1=43001

Last time I looked, inmates were not allowed to have food brought in.

imo

[hiitsme]

Thanks for the link, Anakerie. This pair of articles is being spread far and wide. So, I have mental images of a few of the principals looking at Spector's very public whining and then his latest comments to prison officials as shown above in your post...

Alan Jackson, Pat Dixon, and Truc Do:lol:

Doron Weinberg and Dennis Riordan to Spector:hammer

That's for sure. His ugly character and love of guns and power over humanity has reduced him to nothing more than the company he keeps. His wife and publicist along with his few and far between supporters are putting the final nails in his coffin. MOO

[SailorsMom60]

I think PS is embellishing, according to this :

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/spector-claims-dismissed-by-prison-bosses_1113503

[tartangirl]

I notice a familiar name has been posting comments to that particular story link the last few days. It seems that mighty PR engine PS has working for him has either run out of steam or is stuck on the same old track. :smile:

~ as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~ At Last ~

[barskin&co.]

In rambling letters to a pal, Spector, serving life for murdering a B-list actress, moaned: "Imagine sending me to the same prison - shows how low they can go.

"They'd kill you in here for a 39-cent bag of soup!"

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2596825/Phil-Spector-Im-scared-in-this-snake-pit-prison.html

Sending him to the same prison...as crazed killers??? My God, you'd think he was a murderer or something! You'd think he was one of those violent types who regularly threatened people with guns or something. You'd think he was a guy who for decades held women captive at gun point and maybe even raped one. You'd think he'd have to be that type of guy.

Oh, yeah. He is that type of guy, isn't he?

[oodi]

Last time I looked, inmates were not allowed to have food brought in.

imo

It also just dawned on me that all mail going in or out is reviewed by prison officials. So did PS actually write the letters? Or did someone else write them, and sign his name?

[KaraokeDiva]

Last time I looked, inmates were not allowed to have food brought in.

imo

I was going to comment on that. It's not like the old days when a woman could bake a cake (with a file in it) and bring it to her beloved in prison. lol

You can put money in the commisary account of a prisoner or you can order stuff from certain select providers that will ship directly to the prison. I think Amazon is an approved seller for direct to prisoner items. :)

[forensicpsy~]

I was going to comment on that. It's not like the old days when a woman could bake a cake (with a file in it) and bring it to her beloved in prison. lol

You can put money in the commisary account of a prisoner or you can order stuff from certain select providers that will ship directly to the prison. I think Amazon is an approved seller for direct to prisoner items. :)

Hi KD.

Right. In the letter, Phil said his wife brings him food when she visits. :sneaky:

Either that's a lie or he just exposed corruption in the visit room. :blushing:

imo

[forensicpsy~]

Would the rules be different in different prisons or in different States?

I'm sure that in some states, even California, the rules are different for minimum security inmates.

However, this is the rule for California inmates:

"California Department of Correction and Rehabilitaion"

"State of California"

"Inmate Visiting Guidelines"

http://www.cdcr.ca.gov/Visitors/docs/InmateVisitingGuidelines.pdf

Scroll down. Bringing in food is prohibited.

[True2Blues]

Hi KD.

Right. In the letter, Phil said his wife brings him food when she visits. :sneaky:

Either that's a lie or he just exposed corruption in the visit room. :blushing:

imo

I vote lie. That would follow patterns already established by the Spector duo.

[Deannalynn]

It also just dawned on me that all mail going in or out is reviewed by prison officials. So did PS actually write the letters? Or did someone else write them, and sign his name?

The way "I" understood it from what I read, PS wrote it but then they called him in to talk to him and he reneged on what he said. He clearly said, he was not frightened and feared No one.
It kinda really backfired on him. He's learning what prison is all about and what the rules are and the protocol...
Dunno...:confused:

[Details]

Given that there's no way anyone brings him food - he can't have written that letter - he'd know that anyone there would know he wasn't being brought food. Wonder where that letter did come from?

[Deannalynn]

Hi KD.

Right. In the letter, Phil said his wife brings him food when she visits. :sneaky:

Either that's a lie or he just exposed corruption in the visit room. :blushing:

imo

Liar face, Liar face. I vote LIAR FACE...:thumbdown:

[Lyndawitha"Y]

I for one am so glad Phil is where he is..as far as his fear for his safety in prison, just maybe that is justice on one level..where many who got held at gunpoint in his home felt threatened..then his final shot that killed an innocent..I think it is devine justice this man who threatened so many over his liftime gets a tastr of his own medicine!!

I just wish he can be left there, ignored and his hangers on ignored too..Chelle.needs to get a job..!!

Salut Phil, glad you are where you belong!!

LMS:w00t:

[trucrime]

The trial bride and PS fans here have been telling us that he is "Mr. Popularity" in prison. I thought they said he was large and in-charge and I was sure he must have a few bubba's protecting his rear. Don't tell me he is just cowering like a baby in his cell and eating cheap soup. Too bad: so sad. :rolleyes:

Im SURE this is more the truth. There's gangsters & thugs who are aspiring musicians/entertainers in jail and Im SURE they all see Phil as a potential way to get noticed. He's a murdering creep but he still is Phil Spector. Heck he was quoted in Rolling Stone's recent issue (probably an older quote, but still) for the Beatles cover story.

[cherylt]

I guess he is expecting Club Med. :huh:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32484098/ns/entertainment-celebrities/?gt1=43001



Ohh, I feel soooo sorry for him - where is that world's smallest violin when you need it most! :rolleyes:

A prison where people are more like him would be better suitable - egads man! You killed somebody and you ARE like them!!

:barf:

Thanks for the article though!! Got a couple of chuckles. Esp, with how wonderful 'chelle is to him to drive 400 miles just to see his bad ole' self.

BTW - since Dominick Dunne started a new series, I am wondering if/when he will do the Spector story. Maybe he can include the part when he awkwardly ran into PS in the bathroom during the 1st trial (or was it the 2nd)? lol

[ScoobyDoo]

Phil Spector is far removed from the main prison facility. He is currently housed in the drug rehab facility. And with California having to comply with a federal order to release 39,000 prisoners, who knows how they will decide on which 39,000 prisoners should be released. It might come down to a choice between a career criminal gangster, and a almost 70 year old man. Just something to think about.

[Alibi Ike]

Phil Spector is far removed from the main prison facility. He is currently housed in the drug rehab facility. And with California having to comply with a federal order to release 39,000 prisoners, who knows how they will decide on which 39,000 prisoners should be released. It might come down to a choice between a career criminal gangster, and a almost 70 year old man. Just something to think about.

I would hope that the murderers would be the last to go! Phil Spector has had a love of guns for most of his life and the propensity to threaten with them and shove them into the faces of innocent women. Unless he loses his limbs, being age 70 would not stop him. The hatred he has spewed for those who prosecuted him might make them him his next victims. It is likely that his appeals will go nowhere and neither will he! MHO

[Amy]

As per the article:

"The prison is 400 miles from their Alhambra home, he said, and his wife has been driving back and forth each weekend."

Just to clarify for those that aren't in California... Corcoran is NOT 400 miles from Alhambra. Without mapping it out, my guestimate is about 150 miles.

Awwww, poor fellow!!! Like, he's the only one whose family has to travel to see him on visiting days? Well, lucky for him, and unlike probably a good number of his fellow prisoners, his wife has enough money to make the trip without putting much of a dent in the family coffers.

And, I guess he just doesn't get it---he's a murderer, many of his fellow prisoners are murderers---so he IS with those like him. The only difference being is that he had a lot more going for him on the outside than many of them probably did, what w/his production companies and all.

I sure don't get the gals falling all over someone who looks like him, and most seemed to have escaped when they found out what kind of guy he is.....money doesn't compensate for abusiveness and entitlement for some, @ least. And, in this case @ least, money didn't buy him a go home free ticket!!!!

[Amy]

The link below should clear up some of the reporting done with regard to Spector:

http://newsblaze.com/story/20090730145020nnnn.nb/topstory.html

It also shows his (or his publicist's) exaggeration of cell size. He says 3' by 7', this article says differently:

"He's in a horrible situation with virtually nothing to do all day. Phil Spector was always a highly productive, creative person and now he's in a 5ft by 9ft cell with no windows and maybe a half hour outside to walk around.

And, you know, I bet many of his fellow murderers were quite active when they were on the outside, maybe even creative. Probably pretty busy pretty much all day long. Maybe not producing records, but bet all of them weren't just sitting @ home in front of the tv all day long in their skivvies. He should have tho't about what life in prison might be, the changes he would have to make before he pulled the trigger. Well, he probably figured he could be in some nice little ivy-walled place like the white collar criminals get to go-don't suppose there is one of those too close to his home in CA, either.

[Amy]

Yeah, the Sacramento Bee has added to the story I linked earlier and it now says that Phil isn't "fearful"... What a bunch of BS coming from Phil, Rachelle and the rest of the groupies. The main stream media should learn a lesson and tell Rachelle and the groupies to go fly a kite the next time there's a "news bulletin" from Phil...

I think it's kind of ridiculous to backtrack on the fear thing. For goodness sake, the letter talking about his fear was published. Oh, guess he must have meant to write "fearless" in that letter? :biggrin:

[Amy]

Prison officials probe Spector's safety concerns
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ik5pa7VefNfBxsKkfKVQWE9QET4wD9A6S96O0
From the link:Authorities said Thursday that Phil Spector does not fear for his safety in prison despite a letter that he recently wrote to a friend saying he felt in danger and wanted to be moved to a "better" facility.

"We interviewed Mr. Spector today," said Lt. Stephen Smith, spokesman for the Corcoran, Calif., prison where Spector is held. "Mr. Spector states he does not fear for his safety at our institution. He said he hopes he can stay here at our institution."
Follow the link for more... I think Rachelle and the rest of Phil's "fans" ought to shut their mouths.. Pretty soon, they won't be able to get a reputable reporter to give them the time of day if they keep feeding the media the fiction they've given up so far.. Especially when the fiction is so easily disproved! 3X7 foot cell, indeed... ROFL!

OTOH, it would be so much better for the press to investigate the stories they are going to print BEFORE rushing to press to have "the scoop" on PS news. Could have saved a lot of print, and bandwidth if they had checked into the "inside info" before running w/it. Well, lesson learned. Surely they will do this in the future---well, probably not. They have to have SOMETHING to write about.

[ScoobyDoo]

I would hope that the murderers would be the last to go! Phil Spector has had a love of guns for most of his life and the propensity to threaten with them and shove them into the faces of innocent women. Unless he loses his limbs, being age 70 would not stop him. The hatred he has spewed for those who prosecuted him might make them him his next victims. It is likely that his appeals will go nowhere and neither will he! MHO


I doubt that any one of the 39,000 prisoners who will be released are saints. I'm also not saying Spector will be one of those released, only that he has a chance, along with all the others.

[♫Rock*Star♫]

I doubt that any one of the 39,000 prisoners who will be released are saints. I'm also not saying Spector will be one of those released, only that he has a chance, along with all the others.

Convicted murderer Phil Spector will not be released as part of the thirty nine thousand. There is zero chance.

Won't happen.

The only prisoners who will be released will be the prisoners who have served at least a third of their original sentence.

Educate yourself about this subject.

Knowledge is power. :)

[ScoobyDoo]

Convicted murderer Phil Spector will not be released as part of the thirty nine thousand. There is zero chance.

Won't happen.

The only prisoners who will be released will be the prisoners who have served at least a third of their original sentence.

Educate yourself about this subject.

Knowledge is power. :)


I appreciate the info. The sarcasm I could do without. You may well be correct, however I thought I heard at least one congressman proposing it be the sickly and frail prisoners to be let out. I think his exact words were "the one eyed, one legged prisoners". Also most prisoners are being let out after serving only a portion of their sentence, even before the feds ordered the release of 39,000 more.

imo...of course.

[♫Rock*Star♫]

I appreciate the info.

snipped

You may well be correct, however I thought I heard at least one congressman proposing it be the sickly and frail prisoners to be let out. I think his exact words were "the one eyed, one legged prisoners".

imo...of course.

Convicted murderer Phil Spector has both legs & both eyes.

The ignorance of said congressman seems to be contagious.

Anyone who believes convicted murderer Phil Spector will be released per the ignorant congressman's words is obviously as ignorant about this subject as the congressman.

If people would take the time to educate themselves about this subject, there wouldn't be any questions about convicted murderer Phil Spector's sentence.

And... per the Corcoran Prison's spokesman... convicted murderer Phil Spector states "he hopes he can stay here at our institution."

And he will stay at their institution.

For nineteen years to life. :thumbup:

[ScoobyDoo]

Convicted murderer Phil Spector has both legs & both eyes.

The ignorance of said congressman seems to be contagious.

Anyone who believes convicted murderer Phil Spector will be released per the ignorant congressman's words is obviously as ignorant about this subject as the congressman.

If people would take the time to educate themselves about this subject, there wouldn't be any questions about convicted murderer Phil Spector's sentence.

And... per the Corcoran Prison's spokesman... convicted murderer Phil Spector states "he hopes he can stay here at our institution."

And he will stay at their institution.

For nineteen years to life. :thumbup:


I never said I believed he would be released as part of the 39,000, so your sarcasm has been wasted on me. Have a pleasant day.

[Nic99]

Phil Spector is far removed from the main prison facility. He is currently housed in the drug rehab facility. And with California having to comply with a federal order to release 39,000 prisoners, who knows how they will decide on which 39,000 prisoners should be released. It might come down to a choice between a career criminal gangster, and a almost 70 year old man. Just something to think about.

Thats interesting. Thanks for the info. Who knows who these prisoners will be and what criteria they will choose. 39,000 prisoners does sound a lot. Are they going to just release them straight back into the community?

On another note, I am amazed at how people are so quick to believe what they read in the tabloids/gutter press and take it as gospel that it came from that person. We have already had the 'false' twitter site which tbh was quite obvious at the time, because it just quoted from an interview a year or so back. I certainly don't believe that these latest press letters are from Phil Spector and it is the press wanting their story any which way they can and it is obvious they are not from PS, RS or anyone closely connected to them in parts, because of the obvious falsities in there. I see one link was from The Sun, enuff said there LOL......

imo

[Nic99]

In rambling letters to a pal, Spector, serving life for murdering a B-list actress, moaned: "Imagine sending me to the same prison - shows how low they can go.

"They'd kill you in here for a 39-cent bag of soup!"

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2596825/Phil-Spector-Im-scared-in-this-snake-pit-prison.html

Just wanted to point out here that The Sun is the trashiest tabloid paper here in the UK, so wouldn't put any credence on the article. Everyone knows here that if you buy The Sun you just buy it for the bingo LOL.......

[kennedy06]

Thats interesting. Thanks for the info. Who knows who these prisoners will be and what criteria they will choose. 39,000 prisoners does sound a lot. Are they going to just release them straight back into the community?

On another note, I am amazed at how people are so quick to believe what they read in the tabloids/gutter press and take it as gospel that it came from that person. We have already had the 'false' twitter site which tbh was quite obvious at the time, because it just quoted from an interview a year or so back. I certainly don't believe that these latest press letters are from Phil Spector and it is the press wanting their story any which way they can and it is obvious they are not from PS, RS or anyone closely connected to them in parts, because of the obvious falsities in there. I see one link was from The Sun, enuff said there LOL......

imo

Nic, the drummer Steve E. that was named as being the man the letter was written to has been noted to be a friend/fan or whatever he may be of Phil through at least pictures that I am aware of. There have been a few photos linked of him and PS together... one I believe at PS engagement party and another at Christmas/birthday get together at the castle IIRC. If it is all made up well then that man looks rather foolish to have his name associated with it and I would think PS wouldn't be to happy making PS look like he isn't taking prison like a man. It can be noted he is in the top 5 or so of PS friends on Team Spctor.

I'm in no way defending this man S. E. , I don't know how or why or by whom this letter was released or what amount of it was from PS or whatever...I jut think it is stupid to release this type of infor for a man that has no where to hide after calling his fellow cellmates names and complaining about the hand that feeds him called the CDOC.

I have yet to read anytype of statement from this Steve denying he received such a letter or from anyone else that the letter is false, but from PS we at least know now he isn't fearful and wants to stay put according to the prison official in my previous link. JMO

[kennedy06]

I also wrote the post above because my fellow posters linked to several good sources. They did not just post from this paper you are aware of the Sun. I'll admit the article makes PS look foolish so I could see why some may want to help distance him from it in the aftermath.

JMO

[Lavinia]

I just LOVE to read a happy story before bed. I sleep so much better. :laugh:

[Anakerie]

I also wrote the post above because my fellow posters linked to several good sources. They did not just post from this paper you are aware of the Sun. I'll admit the article makes PS look foolish so I could see why some may want to help distance him from it in the aftermath.

JMO
Odd.. I must be going blind or something because I went back through the thread and can't find a link to the publication nic99 referred to. The initial opening post was an AP story on MSNBC, then I know the links I posted were from AP and from the Sacramento newspaper.

Funny, I don't consider MSNBC, AP or the Sacramento Bee to be "tabloids/gutter press". It's just too bad that there seem to be a lot of "reporters" in the media who are so hot to get a story into print they forget to do some simple fact-checking before publishing a story. Perhaps it's a sign of the times with the internet and everyone wanting instant news... I think I would prefer some truths instead of a hurry-up story and fancy footwork and back tracking later.

I'm sure someone gave Linda Deutsch a call at the AP office and gave her the "story". Whether it was the publicist, the friend who supposedly recieved the "letter" or Rachelle, the only one who knows is Linda. And as quickly as the CDCR investigated and refuted the complaints Phil supposedly made, I doubt very much if we'll hear anything from Linda about who gave her the "story". Perhaps she'll check her facts before she prints anymore whining from Phil, his wife or any of the "fans/groupies".

[Mr. Moto2]

Just wanted to point out here that The Sun is the trashiest tabloid paper here in the UK, so wouldn't put any credence on the article. Everyone knows here that if you buy The Sun you just buy it for the bingo LOL.......

Yep I was going to say the same thing. I wonder who the supposed "pal" was. Don't believe everything think you read, especially in a tabloid.

[Deannalynn]

Thats interesting. Thanks for the info. Who knows who these prisoners will be and what criteria they will choose. 39,000 prisoners does sound a lot. Are they going to just release them straight back into the community?

On another note, I am amazed at how people are so quick to believe what they read in the tabloids/gutter press and take it as gospel that it came from that person. We have already had the 'false' twitter site which tbh was quite obvious at the time, because it just quoted from an interview a year or so back. I certainly don't believe that these latest press letters are from Phil Spector and it is the press wanting their story any which way they can and it is obvious they are not from PS, RS or anyone closely connected to them in parts, because of the obvious falsities in there. I see one link was from The Sun, enuff said there LOL......

imo

To me, (at times) this thread turns into a tabloid. You have shown us this by some of your posts. They have not been accurate by no means. With all due respect, we heard enuff "falsities" for six years coming out of PS and RS including his defense team, I might add.
Thank goodness for the jury that finally came through for us the second time around. The thought that Phill Spector would get away with murdering an Innocent young woman would have turned my stomach and my respect for the justice system.
No LOL coming from this corner...:sneaky:
jmo

[lune3]

The article can't be true anyway, since why would a snake be scared in a snake pit?

[Mr. Moto2]

The article can't be true anyway, since why would a snake be scared in a snake pit?

Simple. Spector is now a small snake in a big pit.

[Lidia]

He put himself there. He's a murderer so he fits right in. Rest in peace Lana. :rose:

[Nic99]

Nic, the drummer Steve E. that was named as being the man the letter was written to has been noted to be a friend/fan or whatever he may be of Phil through at least pictures that I am aware of. There have been a few photos linked of him and PS together... one I believe at PS engagement party and another at Christmas/birthday get together at the castle IIRC. If it is all made up well then that man looks rather foolish to have his name associated with it and I would think PS wouldn't be to happy making PS look like he isn't taking prison like a man. It can be noted he is in the top 5 or so of PS friends on Team Spctor.

I'm in no way defending this man S. E. , I don't know how or why or by whom this letter was released or what amount of it was from PS or whatever...I jut think it is stupid to release this type of infor for a man that has no where to hide after calling his fellow cellmates names and complaining about the hand that feeds him called the CDOC.

I have yet to read anytype of statement from this Steve denying he received such a letter or from anyone else that the letter is false, but from PS we at least know now he isn't fearful and wants to stay put according to the prison official in my previous link. JMO

Thanks for pointing out about Steve Escobar, but I was aware of the connection. I appreciate the polite response nonetheless.

We will await to see whether he chooses to respond, but tbh sometimes any publicity is good publicity, it certainly seems to work here with lots of people still extremely interested in this case.

[aproudmom]

he is scared! Who really cares? get used to it :tonguewag:

[kennedy06]

I disagree very poor publicity for the environment in which he lives IMO. So might the paid prison consultants that some high profile convicts get themselves, yes I thnk PS fans should chip in and get him one it would have been a nice house warming gift...too late though.. the release of his words by some over the past few months for whatever the reason seem to be a no no as one reads the advice..(gee Bernie M. prison coach seems real optimistic!).one of the cardinal rules seems to have been broken recently with the tidbits realeased in the links above:

"In general, consultants will advise prison-bound clients to keep a low profile and avoid offending other inmates."

source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_consultant





Trial board, old trials forum, civil trial stll to come.

[Alibi Ike]

Thats interesting. Thanks for the info. Who knows who these prisoners will be and what criteria they will choose. 39,000 prisoners does sound a lot. Are they going to just release them straight back into the community?

On another note, I am amazed at how people are so quick to believe what they read in the tabloids/gutter press and take it as gospel that it came from that person. We have already had the 'false' twitter site which tbh was quite obvious at the time, because it just quoted from an interview a year or so back. I certainly don't believe that these latest press letters are from Phil Spector and it is the press wanting their story any which way they can and it is obvious they are not from PS, RS or anyone closely connected to them in parts, because of the obvious falsities in there. I see one link was from The Sun, enuff said there LOL......



imo

For someone who pooh pooh's the Sun, you certainly don't miss a beat when it comes to pointing out its trashy contents. None of the discussions here have been based on US or any other tabloids as you implied. You're sadly mistaken if you think this type of publicity is good for this murderer. It's surprising that the silence is deafening from the Mrs. I guess she doesn't want to sully up her Web site with "falsities."

[tartangirl]

The interest in this case varies for each person. Many people will stay with this particular case because of the true verdict rendered by the jury and the stellar work done by the prosecution. That alone in a city where fame and money seem to be the magic ticket to freedom to do anything you want without consequence was a valid and much needed result.

A hellacious two trials worth of defense tricks and antics made the outcome very worth watching. If only to see the Justice system work properly. This recent rash of prickly lies and desperate journalism by some is not what holds the interest for me. The convict is where he belongs now. The appeal is his own never ending fairy tale.

I simply want to see the story end with a good result in the civil case.

The legal matter with Shapiro is another path to follow in this pathetic attempt by the convict to outwit and manipulate others. So the interest will be there for some who can and do see through the smoke to the truth and real meaning of this story.

~ as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~ At Last ~

[hiitsme]

The interest in this case varies for each person. Many people will stay with this particular case because of the true verdict rendered by the jury and the stellar work done by the prosecution. That alone in a city where fame and money seem to be the magic ticket to freedom to do anything you want without consequence was a valid and much needed result.

A hellacious two trials worth of defense tricks and antics made the outcome very worth watching. If only to see the Justice system work properly. This recent rash of prickly lies and desperate journalism by some is not what holds the interest for me. The convict is where he belongs now. The appeal is his own never ending fairy tale.

I simply want to see the story end with a good result in the civil case.

The legal matter with Shapiro is another path to follow in this pathetic attempt by the convict to outwit and manipulate others. So the interest will be there for some who can and do see through the smoke to the truth and real meaning of this story.

~ as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~ At Last ~


Good post, one which echoes many of my thoughts. The only reason his safety in prison is of concern to me is that I want to be assured he will be mentally and physically able to "face the music" in rounds 2, 3 & perhaps 4. Total and complete justice is long overdo for Lana Clarkson's family. I look forward to any news and updates provided by reputable agencies and organizations.

[kellabeck]

Here's my reaction:

boo hoo

[R~O~S]

I doubt that any one of the 39,000 prisoners who will be released are saints. I'm also not saying Spector will be one of those released, only that he has a chance, along with all the others.

According to the head of the California Police Chief's Association, Bernard Melekian, there's proposal that will allow alternative release for the needed number that will all fall within the low risk category. 39,000 is the number that needs to be released within two years, 27,000 in one year.:

http://www.esquire.com/the-side/richardson-report/prison-population-debate-072809

ESQ: Do you have 27,000 low-risk prisoners you can release?

BM: I don't think they're talking about a release of 27,000 people. They're talking about a reduction of 27,000 over the next 12 months. Part of that is normal outflow and part is people in the last twelve months of their sentences going to this alternative custody arrangement. So you won't have 27,000 people on Day One walking out the door.

ESQ: I assume you're concerned about one of those guys doing something horrible and causing a public outcry.

BM: That's exactly right. That's why the risk assessment is so critical — to make sure these are nonviolent, nonserious, non-sex offenders.

ESQ: Mostly drug possession?

BM: I would suspect most of them are in that category and theft category.

California Police Chief's Association was opposed to the release, but switched sides when a plan was laid out that would allow for strategic release based on threat level rather than a blanket release of those within X number of months of their release date.

I really don't think there's much chance any convicted murderer is going to be released early unless it's by a parole board.


***Disclaimer: This article is highly critical of "Republicans", try to ignore the commentary. If you can manage that, it's not a bad article regarding the pertinent information.

I'm so not interested in placing blame for the prison population. I support reducing the population, reserving prisons for violent crimes & shielding society from those who would prey on the weakest among us.

[barskin&co.]

Just wanted to point out here that The Sun is the trashiest tabloid paper here in the UK, so wouldn't put any credence on the article. Everyone knows here that if you buy The Sun you just buy it for the bingo LOL.......

Oh, I'm so glad. And, I'm happy to see that you are so jolly (LOLing and all) about the old murderer spending the rest of his miserable life in prison, Nic! You came around; good for you!

[♫Rock*Star♫]

Prison officials probe Spector's safety concerns
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ik5pa7VefNfBxsKkfKVQWE9QET4wD9A6S96O0
From the link:Authorities said Thursday that Phil Spector does not fear for his safety in prison despite a letter that he recently wrote to a friend saying he felt in danger and wanted to be moved to a "better" facility.

"We interviewed Mr. Spector today," said Lt. Stephen Smith, spokesman for the Corcoran, Calif., prison where Spector is held. "Mr. Spector states he does not fear for his safety at our institution. He said he hopes he can stay here at our institution."
Follow the link for more... I think Rachelle and the rest of Phil's "fans" ought to shut their mouths.. Pretty soon, they won't be able to get a reputable reporter to give them the time of day if they keep feeding the media the fiction they've given up so far.. Especially when the fiction is so easily disproved! 3X7 foot cell, indeed... ROFL!

*Post above pulled from the thread in Trials & Old Cases forum.*

And I say again...

Ha!

Convicted murderer Phil Spector "hopes he can stay" there at their institution.

Yes murderer Phil. You can stay.

For nineteen years to life. :thumbup:

[Nic99]

Oh, I'm so glad. And, I'm happy to see that you are so jolly (LOLing and all) about the old murderer spending the rest of his miserable life in prison, Nic! You came around; good for you!

Do NOT twist my words to suit your own means. It is perfectly clear what I was stating about the Sun and Bingo.

[vonna]

Do NOT twist my words to suit your own means. It is perfectly clear what I was stating about the Sun and Bingo.

Everybody knows your opinion, Nic, as you've stated it often enough.

[Milz]

According to the head of the California Police Chief's Association, Bernard Melekian, there's proposal that will allow alternative release for the needed number that will all fall within the low risk category. 39,000 is the number that needs to be released within two years, 27,000 in one year.:

http://www.esquire.com/the-side/richardson-report/prison-population-debate-072809



California Police Chief's Association was opposed to the release, but switched sides when a plan was laid out that would allow for strategic release based on threat level rather than a blanket release of those within X number of months of their release date.


I really don't think there's much chance any convicted murderer is going to be released early unless it's by a parole board.


***Disclaimer: This article is highly critical of "Republicans", try to ignore the commentary. If you can manage that, it's not a bad article regarding the pertinent information.

I'm so not interested in placing blame for the prison population. I support reducing the population, reserving prisons for violent crimes & shielding society from those who would prey on the weakest among us.

PS could well fit into that category of prisoners released, due to his age and non-criminal record, wow, thats really interesting. It aint just drugs prisoners, they are looking at the whole schabang!

[Milz]

Yep I was going to say the same thing. I wonder who the supposed "pal" was. Don't believe everything think you read, especially in a tabloid.

Too right, tabloids are pure fantasy ROFL:laugh:

[R~O~S]

PS could well fit into that category of prisoners released, due to his age and non-criminal record, wow, thats really interesting. It aint just drugs prisoners, they are looking at the whole schabang!

I really doubt it. What they're looking at is the propensity to re-offend in a violent way. Given the testimony at trial, which is all public record and the kind of thing they'll be evaluating, he should have been in prison years ago based on his little habit of drawing a gun on women.

They're looking to release those incarcerated for non violent crime.

I'm pretty sure murder is going to be considered violent. If they ever actually got to the murderers, I'm thinking the guy who killed his wife in the heat of an argument is likely to be considered less likely to re-offend than the guy that killed a woman he met just hours before & with a history of threatening people with a gun.

His age has nothing to do with his ability to pull a trigger. Given his mental state is likely to deteriorate, rather than improve as he ages, the likelihood of Spector re-offending is logically quite high. That's exactly what they're wanting to avoid, an offender released early committing another violent crime when he should still be incarcerated for the original offense.

[Milz]

I really doubt it. What they're looking at is the propensity to re-offend in a violent way. Given the testimony at trial, which is all public record and the kind of thing they'll be evaluating, he should have been in prison years ago based on his little habit of drawing a gun on women.

They're looking to release those incarcerated for non violent crime.

I'm pretty sure murder is going to be considered violent. If they ever actually got to the murderers, I'm thinking the guy who killed his wife in the heat of an argument is likely to be considered less likely to re-offend than the guy that killed a woman he met just hours before & with a history of threatening people with a gun.

His age has nothing to do with his ability to pull a trigger. Given his mental state is likely to deteriorate, rather than improve as he ages, the likelihood of Spector re-offending is logically quite high. That's exactly what they're wanting to avoid, an offender released early committing another violent crime when he should still be incarcerated for the original offense.

Has he ever been convicted of a crime before??? I would think he is one of those that will be considered for release due to his non-criminal activity tbh. We all know that lots of folks have guns here, hell, if that was reason to be incriminated we'd all be in jail LOL....

I believe his age does have something to do with it and the fact that he hasn't got a criminal record too prior to the supposed offence. I spos we'll have to wait and see eh.

[Nic99]

Thanks for pointing out about Steve Escobar, but I was aware of the connection. I appreciate the polite response nonetheless.

We will await to see whether he chooses to respond, but tbh sometimes any publicity is good publicity, it certainly seems to work here with lots of people still extremely interested in this case.

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[kennedy06]

.................................................

Nic you quoted your prior post but didn't write anything is there something you wanted to say?

Milz I believe there was something back in the early 70s IIRC with a parking valet. Anyone else remember?

This entire discussion of the early release of prisoners is quite interesting. I wouldn't think someone like PS would be considered but geesh who knows anymore but I wouldn't bet on it. Maybe he is aware of this and think if he complains enough they will throw their hands up and say and take him too. JMO

[Anakerie]

Nic you quoted your prior post but didn't write anything is there something you wanted to say?

This entire discussion of the early release of prisoners is quite interesting. I wouldn't think someone like PS would be considered but geesh who knows anymore. Maybe he is aware of this and think if he complains enough they will throw their hands up and say and take him too. JMO

I live in California and I know for a fact that if any murderers are released early because of this overcrowding situation there will be an outcry by a huge number of Californians. So far, the politicians are trying to calm people by saying it will be the "nonviolent" offenders who will be released early... I hope they aren't just spinning the story to calm the public before they open the doors.

IMO, murder in any degree is violent and if Phil Spector or any other murderers get released in this latest California fiasco, I for one will be standing up for MY rights to live freely without having to fear that my new next door neighbor is one of the people kicked out of prison because the legislators have spent tax money the state doesn't have on everything BUT improving the corrections system.

[Nic99]

Nic you quoted your prior post but didn't write anything is there something you wanted to say?

Milz I believe there was something back in the early 70s IIRC with a parking valet. Anyone else remember?

This entire discussion of the early release of prisoners is quite interesting. I wouldn't think someone like PS would be considered but geesh who knows anymore but I wouldn't bet on it. Maybe he is aware of this and think if he complains enough they will throw their hands up and say and take him too. JMO

Throw their hands up and say take him too.... That is exactly what I meant to say thanks:smile: Sorry Kennedy I just couldn't resist, no harm intended.

[Nic99]

I live in California and I know for a fact that if any murderers are released early because of this overcrowding situation there will be an outcry by a huge number of Californians. So far, the politicians are trying to calm people by saying it will be the "nonviolent" offenders who will be released early... I hope they aren't just spinning the story to calm the public before they open the doors.

IMO, murder in any degree is violent and if Phil Spector or any other murderers get released in this latest California fiasco, I for one will be standing up for MY rights to live freely without having to fear that my new next door neighbor is one of the people kicked out of prison because the legislators have spent tax money the state doesn't have on everything BUT improving the corrections system.

Now that is a scarey thought:ohmy:

[Milz]

For someone who pooh pooh's the Sun, you certainly don't miss a beat when it comes to pointing out its trashy contents. None of the discussions here have been based on US or any other tabloids as you implied. You're sadly mistaken if you think this type of publicity is good for this murderer. It's surprising that the silence is deafening from the Mrs. I guess she doesn't want to sully up her Web site with "falsities."

Tis a bit harsh aint it!!! I know the Sun as I'm sure you do and is something to be POOH POOHED at in your words LMFAO:laugh:

[Anakerie]

Now that is a scarey thought:ohmy:
May I ask which part is the "scarey thought" to you? Californians protesting the early releases or the possibility of having a murderer living next door?

[Nic99]

May I ask which part is the "scarey thought" to you?

Hahaha, oh you know Anakerie you know LOL..... at least I hope you do:tonguewag:

[Anakerie]

Hahaha, oh you know Anakerie you know LOL..... at least I hope you do:tonguewag:
Do you think you could be any more vague?

Ahh.. Never mind... I'm not taking your bait, child. Go email Rachelle and the other groupies, I'm sure it would be much more fun for you.

[Nic99]

Do you think you could be any more vague?

Ahh.. Never mind... I'm not taking your bait, child. Go email Rachelle and the other groupies, I'm sure it would be much more fun.

Such a shame, don't like being played at your own game. Never mind; your groupies are here and willing LOL....

[R~O~S]

Has he ever been convicted of a crime before??? I would think he is one of those that will be considered for release due to his non-criminal activity tbh. We all know that lots of folks have guns here, hell, if that was reason to be incriminated we'd all be in jail LOL....

I believe his age does have something to do with it and the fact that he hasn't got a criminal record too prior to the supposed offence. I spos we'll have to wait and see eh.

The beauty of the evaluation is, it doesn't matter. It's not a court of law, but an evaluation of the overall person and the crime for which they're incarcerated.

I'm afraid we'll need to agree to disagree on this point, but since it won't be up to you or me or a matter of how high priced the mouth piece may be, rather an evaluation made by the prison administration in conjunction with LE, no harm done. :seeya:

[Milz]

The beauty of the evaluation is, it doesn't matter. It's not a court of law, but an evaluation of the overall person and the crime for which they're incarcerated.

I'm afraid we'll need to agree to disagree on this point, but since it won't be up to you or me or a matter of how high priced the mouth piece may be, rather an evaluation made by the prison administration in conjunction with LE, no harm done. :seeya:

Yup no harm done, but who knows. We will soon find out, thats for sure.

[Deannalynn]

Has he ever been convicted of a crime before??? I would think he is one of those that will be considered for release due to his non-criminal activity tbh. We all know that lots of folks have guns here, hell, if that was reason to be incriminated we'd all be in jail LOL....

I believe his age does have something to do with it and the fact that he hasn't got a criminal record too prior to the supposed offence. I spos we'll have to wait and see eh.

No, no , no, no, Nooooo.
Not on a murder rap. Especially one who has just begun doing his time.
Wishful thinking and a good imagination, I do have to say.:biggrin:
jmo

[Eagleeye]

In rambling letters to a pal, Spector, serving life for murdering a B-list actress, moaned: "Imagine sending me to the same prison - shows how low they can go.

"They'd kill you in here for a 39-cent bag of soup!"

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2596825/Phil-Spector-Im-scared-in-this-snake-pit-prison.html

"a B-list actress". Does that make Lana Clarkson any less than a human being? This goes to show what a low disregard PS had for women. Well Phil, then you better not buy any of that 39-cent bag of soup from the comissary. I guess you should be scared. You are and always have been a despicable character. You are getting just what you deserved. Guess you should have thought of that before you stuck your pistol in her mouth and pulled the trigger. How is Bubba treating you by the way Phil?

[Amy]

Maybe he should have prayed for the DP. Safety there, for sure. AND, automatic appeals out the wazooo. Meals brought to you (well, you might have to worry what someone might PUT in your meals, lol.) I'm thinking wifey poo would still get to visit about the same as before. He could have a cell next to SP, ya know. SP, PS, about the same. And, murderers both. Maybe a fertilizer salesman would be considered more of a "people like him" than the drug dealers and hoods. Their victims are dead, all the same.

[forensicpsy~]

Not nearly as scared as Lana was, as the gun was forced into her mouth and she was murdered by Spector.

Ronnie was scared too when he locked her up in his castle. :sad:

imo

[NotAgain]

Dear Phillip,

I understand your fear. To think you could be beaten, sodomized or even killed by some crazy man in that prison would scare me too.

Some crazy man could just do it to you, a defenseless person, and hold you with a knife or some weapon. Thank God those prisoners are not allowed to have guns. Gee, the prisoner could just threaten you with a gun and make you do whatever he wanted. Can you imagine the unspeakable horror of being held at gunpoint by a crazy, maniacal person? What a horrible way to spend your last moments.

I do not understand how or why the government would put you in a facility like that.

You know Phil, prison scares me so much that I have chosen not to kill any defenseless person.

Stay safe,
NotAgain

[hiitsme]

Dear Phillip,

I understand your fear. To think you could be beaten, sodomized or even killed by some crazy man in that prison would scare me too.

Some crazy man could just do it to you, a defenseless person, and hold you with a knife or some weapon. Thank God those prisoners are not allowed to have guns. Gee, the prisoner could just threaten you with a gun and make you do whatever he wanted. Can you imagine the unspeakable horror of being held at gunpoint by a crazy, maniacal person? What a horrible way to spend your last moments.

I do not understand how or why the government would put you in a facility like that.

You know Phil, prison scares me so much that I have chosen not to kill any defenseless person.

Stay safe,
NotAgain

Now that's reality. Great post!

[Daisy]

If he's surrounded by "scumbags" and low-lifes" he ought to fit right in and feel right at home!
~Daisy :rolleyes:

[oodi]

Since it was mentioned earlier, I thought I would post this interactive map on the state prisons in CA. The facility that PS is at is included (Corcoran is located between Fresno and Bakersfield).

http://www.sacbee.com/1232/rich_media/2124324.html

[nsm]

guess its true, what goes around comes around!

[forensicpsy~]

"Jail Move Spooks Spector"

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09012009/gossip/pagesix/jail_move_spooks_spector_187470.htm

"Music legend Phil Spector is being moved out of the Substance Abuse Treatment Facility and State Prison in Cocoran after complaining that he fears for his safety. He's been told he'll be moved to Pleasant Valley State Prison in Coalunga this week. But Spector, who is convicted of killing Lana Clarkson, is terrified he'll die there because of an outbreak of Valley Fever, which killed sixteen inmates in the last four years"

[True2Blues]

"Jail Move Spooks Spector"

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09012009/gossip/pagesix/jail_move_spooks_spector_187470.htm

"Music legend Phil Spector is being moved out of the Substance Abuse Treatment Facility and State Prison in Cocoran after complaining that he fears for his safety. He's been told he'll be moved to Pleasant Valley State Prison in Coalunga this week. But Spector, who is convicted of killing Lana Clarkson, is terrified he'll die there because of an outbreak of Valley Fever, which killed sixteen inmates in the last four years"

I wonder if that's true or if it's more of Chelle's propaganda? If it is, he's got no one to blame but himself and the Mrs.

[♫Rock*Star♫]

Rachelle needs to be reminded the convicted murderer is sentenced to nineteen years to life.

Whichever comes first.

[Amy]

"Jail Move Spooks Spector"

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09012009/gossip/pagesix/jail_move_spooks_spector_187470.htm

"Music legend Phil Spector is being moved out of the Substance Abuse Treatment Facility and State Prison in Cocoran after complaining that he fears for his safety. He's been told he'll be moved to Pleasant Valley State Prison in Coalunga this week. But Spector, who is convicted of killing Lana Clarkson, is terrified he'll die there because of an outbreak of Valley Fever, which killed sixteen inmates in the last four years"

Bet about now he's wishing he had kept his mouth shut, or to have told his publicist to keep his shut!!! Now, I gotta go cry me a river for that poor boy, lol.

[Anakerie]

KTLA even has a bit about Phil being moved out of Corcoran. Do you think Phil will be regretting his complaints to Steve Escobar? (If they ever actually happened..) Ol' Phil needs to tell his wifey to shut up or he'll end up in an even worse place..
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-spector-prison-letter,0,874260.story

Legendary music producer and convicted murderer Phil Spector, who complained recently about his prison quarters, is being moved to make room for inmates that require outpatient mental heath treatment, according to the California Department of Corrections.

Spector and other prisoners will be going to Pleasant Valley State Prison in Coalinga.

Pleasant Valley is where Erik Menendez, convicted with his brother Lyle of murdering their millionaire parents in 1993, is housed.

[Amy]

KTLA even has a bit about Phil being moved out of Corcoran. Do you think Phil will be regretting his complaints to Steve Escobar? (If they ever actually happened..) Ol' Phil needs to tell his wifey to shut up or he'll end up in an even worse place..
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-spector-prison-letter,0,874260.story
Legendary music producer and convicted murderer Phil Spector, who complained recently about his prison quarters, is being moved to make room for inmates that require outpatient mental heath treatment, according to the California Department of Corrections.

Spector and other prisoners will be going to Pleasant Valley State Prison in Coalinga.

Pleasant Valley is where Erik Menendez, convicted with his brother Lyle of murdering their millionaire parents in 1993, is housed.

Maybe he will consider Erik Menendez an "us," he having a proper rich upbringing and all? Whereas ol' Charlie Manson is a "them?"

Guess he shouldn't moan and complain about who all died of Pleasant Valley fever, or whatever it was. After all, he got away from the other scumbag murderers. That seems to be what he was saying he wanted, after all. :thumbsup:

[kellygreen]

I'm not looking to start an argument, but will someone please explain how Spector is convicted of murder, sentenced from 19 years to life in prison, starts serving his sentence at a maximum security prison, yet after approx 90 days he gets a transfer to a minimum/medium security prison? What's wrong with this situation? And perhaps his transfer to a minimum/medium prison won't be the final outrage--let's remember, the Feds have ordered CA to release 40,000 prisoners. RS and PS will, most likely, do anything, anything, to get his release--and so far whining and going to the media appear to be working. How long will it be before this convicted murderer is walking the streets?

[oodi]

Well poor Rachelle will have even farther to drive now. I agree... PS and/or his cohorts should have kept their mouths shut.

Pleasant Valley has minimum, medium and maximum facilites. I've toured Pleasant Valley, and I don't think PS will find it any more pleasant that Corcoran.

[vonna]

Bet about now he's wishing he had kept his mouth shut, or to have told his publicist to keep his shut!!! Now, I gotta go cry me a river for that poor boy, lol.

What's the old expression - something about being careful what you ask for???????

[Amy]

What's the old expression - something about being careful what you ask for???????

Exactly. More than one person has picked up on that old expression--just not Phil Spector, I guess!!! lol

[True2Blues]

What's the old expression - something about being careful what you ask for???????

Hi Vonna. He did ask for a transfer didn't he? :laugh:

Do you suppose PS has realized that the power is with the prison system yet? I suppose he thought he could manipulate them by making public (untrue) complaints.

[nsm]

What's the old expression - something about being careful what you ask for???????

I heard about this today on trutv. What did he expect?? He's I prison!

[vonna]

Hi Vonna. He did ask for a transfer didn't he? :laugh:

Do you suppose PS has realized that the power is with the prison system yet? I suppose he thought he could manipulate them by making public (untrue) complaints.

Hi True. Phil refuses to come out of his make-believe world and face the reality of his situation. Not surprising since he has been able to buy his way out of most of his problems.

[nsm]

I'm not looking to start an argument, but will someone please explain how Spector is convicted of murder, sentenced from 19 years to life in prison, starts serving his sentence at a maximum security prison, yet after approx 90 days he gets a transfer to a minimum/medium security prison? What's wrong with this situation? And perhaps his transfer to a minimum/medium prison won't be the final outrage--let's remember, the Feds have ordered CA to release 40,000 prisoners. RS and PS will, most likely, do anything, anything, to get his release--and so far whining and going to the media appear to be working. How long will it be before this convicted murderer is walking the streets?

This is not even a remote possibility is it? Poor lana never had a chancem.

[True2Blues]

This is not even a remote possibility is it? Poor lana never had a chancem.

I don't see any possibility of murderers being allowed out to satisfy those numbers. They may bump up parole for some non violent offenders, or offer early release, but with over 170,000 prisoners to choose from, murderers will be at the end of the list.

[Details]

Nope - he's still in a maxium facility, I think a less pleasant one, further from his primary visitor - this is not a nice move for him, I think. He's a number now - they'll move him wherever is most convenient for them - a few more prisoners need to move into the facility he's at - so he's moved to another.

IF they were to be reduced to letting go of murderers - which is highly unlikely with so many nonviolent drug offenders to work with - there are many murderers who have served 10, 20 years of a sentence, who are just as elderly as PS, who can be released first, and no doubt would, since they've served a lot more of their sentence.

[vonna]

Nope - he's still in a maxium facility, I think a less pleasant one, further from his primary visitor - this is not a nice move for him, I think. He's a number now - they'll move him wherever is most convenient for them - a few more prisoners need to move into the facility he's at - so he's moved to another.

IF they were to be reduced to letting go of murderers - which is highly unlikely with so many nonviolent drug offenders to work with - there are many murderers who have served 10, 20 years of a sentence, who are just as elderly as PS, who can be released first, and no doubt would, since they've served a lot more of their sentence.

It is insanity for our legislators to allow the early release of prisoners - especially in light of the the Dugar kidnapping case! No wonder there is talk of reverting to a part-time legislature as these morons would have less time to dream up things like this!

[kennedy06]

So he goes where he feared Manson to where he will fear every breath he takes?! Well being housed with one of the Menedez Bros should make Phil appreciate his own kids a little more:wink:

[Nic99]

So he goes where he feared Manson to where he will fear every breath he takes?! Well being housed with one of the Menedez Bros should make Phil appreciate his own kids a little more:wink:

Oh right, I am curious, why will he fear every breath he takes? I don't quite understand that one. He is moving to a minimum/medium security prison now, where he will still be housed in an individual secure cell, so I don't see where you are going with that one.

Oh well, anyway, I am looking forward to what next week brings regarding the appeal.

[hiitsme]

Oh right, I am curious, why will he fear every breath he takes? I don't quite understand that one. He is moving to a minimum/medium security prison now, where he will still be housed in an individual secure cell, so I don't see where you are going with that one.

Oh well, anyway, I am looking forward to what next week brings regarding the appeal.


You must have a link as to what's to come next week about the appeal. Please post it as fact here.

[True2Blues]

Oh right, I am curious, why will he fear every breath he takes? I don't quite understand that one. He is moving to a minimum/medium security prison now, where he will still be housed in an individual secure cell, so I don't see where you are going with that one.

Oh well, anyway, I am looking forward to what next week brings regarding the appeal.


The Pleasant Valley facility is used to house Maximum security inmates.

As for fearing to breathe, there is a fever that has caused some deaths in that prison and PS, who is a bit of a hypochondriac anyway, fears he may get it. I don't know the date of this artical, but i has a description of the fever.

http://www.kmj580.com/pages/landing_news/?blockID=48547&feedID=806

[Anakerie]

Well, it seems that Phil gets to hang around Corcoran for a while longer. His move to Pleasant Valley has been postponed or canceled along with the rest of the prisoners who were scheduled to be moved.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ik5pa7VefNfBxsKkfKVQWE9QET4wD9AGQ5202

http://blogs.laweekly.com/ladaily/crime/phil-spectors-prison-transfer/

The reason behind Phil's not being moved depends on who you want to believe. On one hand, we have Phil and Rachelle saying that either Phil "appealed" to the warden and got the move canceled or that Rachelle complained and got the move canceled. On the other hand, we have the spokesperson for CDCR saying that "decision was not made because of her protests or an inmate appeal." The spokesperson also said:
"We received instructions to halt the move for all of the inmates," he said. "It's nothing out of the ordinary ... Inmates are moved throughout the system on a daily basis. It's a management issue."

The Corcoran facility is being converted to an enhanced outpatient facility, he said.

"As of now, they decided to postpone some of the transfers," he said.


Hmmm... Who to believe? I pick the CDCR spokesperson over Rachelle/Phil any day.

[Anakerie]

The Pleasant Valley facility is used to house Maximum security inmates.

As for fearing to breathe, there is a fever that has caused some deaths in that prison and PS, who is a bit of a hypochondriac anyway, fears he may get it. I don't know the date of this artical, but i has a description of the fever.

http://www.kmj580.com/pages/landing_news/?blockID=48547&feedID=806
From all I could find, it would seem that the main outbreak of Valley Fever at PVSP ended a couple of years ago. Googling "valley fever pleasant valley" brings up the recent articles of Phil's fears and then a lot of articles that are dated in 2007 and earlier. :shrug:

[lune3]

Another article on his prison transfer being halted:

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-spector-prison-letter,0,874260.story

[Ellie]

Spector is "still suffering from his two sons' decision to testify against him during the trial". Wow Phil, could you be any more narcissistic? (I have so much more to say about this but do not want to speak for Gary or Louis).

http://www.postchronicle.com/news/original/article_212255112.shtml

[Amy]

Spector is "still suffering from his two sons' decision to testify against him during the trial". Wow Phil, could you be any more narcissistic? (I have so much more to say about this but do not want to speak for Gary or Louis).

http://www.postchronicle.com/news/original/article_212255112.shtml

Most parents (well, it USED to be most parents, anyway) would be PROUD if their children stepped up to the plate and told the truth about an issue. I dunno, if I were to do something wrong, I would certainly expect that my kids would call me on it. They would probably not be JOYFUL in testifying against me (@ least, I don't THINK they would be joyful) but, I would certainly expect them to not lie under oath. I guess the best way for a parent to prevent a child from testifying, is for said parent to not go around breaking the law.

I don't know what his boys testified about, but if it was about his volatile character, I could see where he might not always be nice to his children, if he is the type who would pull guns on women.

And, if I were Rachelle Short, I'd think twice about wanting him out. Who's to say she might not be the next woman to have a gun thrust down her throat?

[Details]

From my recollection - and it is solid and I followed both trials entirely - his sons NEVER testified. It's simply not true.


Which leads to the interesting question - why is this being said? To hurt the sons, to paint a sympathetic picture of Spector, to enhance Rachelle's image as the only one by him, some type of error?

[Amy]

Guess it proves we should not take every news article @ face value. Or, that the reporters should look a little closer @ the information they provide.

Thanks for bringing that out. Not having followed these trials, I would have just gone on what was reported.

[True2Blues]

Guess it proves we should not take every news article @ face value. Or, that the reporters should look a little closer @ the information they provide.

Thanks for bringing that out. Not having followed these trials, I would have just gone on what was reported.

In this case the source is enough to question every word. Rachelle Spector has lied consistently from the moment she appeared on PS's arm. Nothing she says can be trusted.

[cherylt]

Spector is "still suffering from his two sons' decision to testify against him during the trial". Wow Phil, could you be any more narcissistic? (I have so much more to say about this but do not want to speak for Gary or Louis).

http://www.postchronicle.com/news/original/article_212255112.shtml


wow - this is one HECK of a "typo"! They should be forced to print a retraction for the LACK of effort the journalist put into it. Geez, can you get it more wrong? Perhaps, in the next article, it will say PS granted clemency....
:biggrin:

[Brat2002]

Phil Spector says prison is driving him insane. And he seemed so normal before. :rolleyes:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090918/people_nm/us_spector_1

[True2Blues]

Poor guy. I guess six years wasn't enough time for him to tidy up his business affairs!

But, but, he was in control and everyone is supposed to obey!

Too bad, so sad. If you don't murder people, you don't have to go to prison Phil. Your choice, bub. There will be no tears for you here.

[Details]

I wonder....

I was surprised when he showed up in court for the verdict - I really thought he'd run. Maybe.... he really did think they'd just let him go for awhile to clean stuff up - and he could vanish then if he chose.

[Anakerie]

At least he is getting some correspondence from letter writers. :wink:
Yep, and then his letters get published by gawker.com.. :rolleyes:

Do you think he's ever going to just fade into obscurity while he serves his time?

[ResJudicata]

he better get used to it, min of 19 years, I do not think he will ever be getting out, this is what happens when you drink and play with guns


He may very well get out under the governors's plan to reduce the inmate population.


Schwarzenegger's proposal assumes the Legislature would:

-- Eliminate the current requirement that ends the out-of-state inmate transfer program in 2011; also increase the number allowed for such transfers from 8,000 inmates to 10,500.

-- Raise the grand-theft threshold from the current $400 to $950, an idea the Assembly rejected earlier this month.

-- Allow some sick and elderly inmates to serve their sentences in home detention and community hospitals with Global Positioning System tracking devices, another idea rejected by the Assembly



Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/09/18/BA7F19PC7H.DTL#ixzz0RWLkfEUm

[oodi]

Driving him insane?

I always thought convicted murderer Phil Spector was close enough to walk.

A very short walk at that.

Here's the article referenced in the Yahoo article:



http://gawker.com/5361997/phil-spector-from-prison-im-enraged-with-hate-at-that-judge-for-sending-me-here

[Amy]

A very short walk at that.

Here's the article referenced in the Yahoo article:



http://gawker.com/5361997/phil-spector-from-prison-im-enraged-with-hate-at-that-judge-for-sending-me-here

Awwww, the poor fellow!!! NOT!!!! Even if he has to wait 2 months for his wife to be "cleared" to see him (and I don't think I believe all that he says anyway) @ least he WILL be able to see her--when Lana Clarkson's family will NEVER, EVER get to see her again, thanks to Mr Wonderful.

Whaaaaa Whaaaa Whaaaa!!!! He should get treated better than other common murderers? Just because he's a "celebrity" shouldn't mean he would get special privileges. He had plenty of time to set his business in order, it's not the anyone else's problem that he didn't bother. Even if he tho't he would not be found guilty, he should have had everything taken care of.

IMO, he should not be one of the "sick or elderly" that would be released--if he could kill Lana Clarkson, he could certainly be a danger to the judge he hates so much.

The "penpal" is a piece of work, too. First bragging about his correspondence, sharing it with others, then all of a sudden, nope, he's writing to ME. Well, he was writing to HER all the time, she was the one wanting to "share" or more likely, just wanting to be important, more "special" than other Spector followers who didn't get letters from him.

And, gee, does he think Rachelle is going to appreciate his calling this penpal? Probably not.

Poor, poor fellow. I guess he should have tho't of the consequences before he murdered Lana Clarkson. Maybe he was sure that because his is a "celebrity" that he would either be found not guilty, or @ least would have just had to pay a little fine, or maybe nothing. Celebrity status is supposed to get you treatment mere mortals can't expect to get. SORRY, PHIL. lol. :tonguewag:

[dref99]

Yep, and then his letters get published by gawker.com.. :rolleyes:

Do you think he's ever going to just fade into obscurity while he serves his time?

I'm waiting for him to sue the prison system for keeping him locked up! What unbelievable nonsense that remarks credited to a convicted murderer would be reported in any way shape or form.

As for not having time to sort out his affairs etc - Lana was shot in 2003 - He went to jail 6 years later - how much time did he need :mad:

Wonder if he ever thinks what might have been, if he had taken the original advise given by Shapiro.

On another thread today I was thinking about those who try and cover up their crimes - the end result and sentence are often much worse than if they had accepted some responsibility in the first place.

Attempting to prove that Lana committed suicide always did seem a stupid idea - an accident waiting to happen may have been a much better place to start.


jmo

[My 2 Cents]

I'm waiting for him to sue the prison system for keeping him locked up! What unbelievable nonsense that remarks credited to a convicted murderer would be reported in any way shape or form.

As for not having time to sort out his affairs etc - Lana was shot in 2003 - He went to jail 6 years later - how much time did he need :mad:

Wonder if he ever thinks what might have been, if he had taken the original advise given by Shapiro.

On another thread today I was thinking about those who try and cover up their crimes - the end result and sentence are often much worse than if they had accepted some responsibility in the first place.

Attempting to prove that Lana committed suicide always did seem a stupid idea - an accident waiting to happen may have been a much better place to start.


jmo

Hi There DREF :seeya:

I agree 100% . . . I was a bit surprised to view the actual, handwritten letter by Phil - I was surprised his handwriting was so "child-like". It looked like he wrote it with his feet. (OK - maybe that's a bit harsh, but it is pretty horrific IMO. And what's with the big circles over most of his "i"s ? Very odd. )

Here are the items he mentioned in his letter that bothered me a great deal:

1. Whining about the cruelty of the justice system and that it didn't allow him to "tidy his affairs". As you stated DREF, he had 6+ years and 2 trials to "tidy his affairs". Most people that kill someone DO NOT receive 6 years to tidy things up. (And by "most people", I mean people without millions of dollars at their disposal.) Although he apparently had enough time to shield his money into a trust fund it sounds like.

2. His claim to this reader that he lives in a cell that is 7 ft X 3 ft wide. Every time Phil or Rachelle are quoted about the size of Phil's cell - it seems to shrink SMALLER and smaller and smaller. I guess he doesn't have a toilet in the cell, unless its located ON THE BED, because there wouldn't be any room.

3. The guards are "holding back Rachelle's letters to Phil, pretending she's not writing him - when Phil knows that she is". And Phil says that they're doing this because he is a "celebrity" and because they are "jealous". . . . I'm thinking Rachelle doesn't seem like the "snail mail", pen pal writing kind of wife. She seems more the "I'll talk to you from my pink Blackberry Phil as long as you keep paying all the bills AND you agree to make me a singer, actress or something cool like that", kind of gal.

4. And mostly what bothered me is Phil's complete lack of any responsibility for what happened to a young women in his home while HE was holding the loaded gun. What b@lls he has - complaining about the justice system and that "bugs live more civilized". What a poor excuse for a human being.

Phil seems to be such a MASTER of BS. All the outlandish lies he has spewed during interviews and in his self-made videos, to the police and on and on . . . its as if every time this guy opens his mouth - he lies. Whether its to save his skin OR even when its just to make himself sound and look more interesting or important - he just makes cr@p up. And he appears to be really, really bad at it too.

[My 2 Cents]

And One Last Thing . . . .
SANDRA - - If you're out there, show us your "nic". PLEASE.

I would love to hear what you have to say about your letters from Phil, why you feel he is unjustly incarcerated and the reasons you wanted to share some of your letters with GAWKERS.com

[dref99]

And One Last Thing . . . .
SANDRA - - If you're out there, show us your "nic". PLEASE.

I would love to hear what you have to say about your letters from Phil, why you feel he is unjustly incarcerated and the reasons you wanted to share some of your letters with GAWKERS.com

Always great to see you My 2 cents :seeya: What nonsense this man and his followers love to invoke. Is it known whether or not this is Phil's handwriting on the images? I think somewhere (on the smoking gun perhaps) there is a postcard written by Phil - might be worth comparing the writing. I seriously wonder that a convicted murderer would be writing anything that has surfaced via the press to date.


jmo

[kennedy06]

BUt But But...I thought he already said he was relatively insane! I'm confused:blink:

Old news but hey it's still out there, you can here him say it in his own words, even the title of the video off to the side of the article announces it:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/phil-spector/5150491/The-rise-and-fall-of-Phil-Spector.html

Well I wonder how long before someone in the media contacts the CDOC and inquires as to why they were so jealous by holding up the letters from his wife but not what appears to be his #1 fan.

[kennedy06]

Only2 letters and he wants to start calling the letter says if I understand correctly? I wonder how many other women around the world just reading this article and the other articles as this is spreading across the internet, are going to start desiring to be his new #1 fan, some even younger than the current wife? Can't unring this bell. How many of those potential new fans are wondering if they can get on his call list also.

JMO

[Nic99]

BUt But But...I thought he already said he was relatively insane! I'm confused:blink:

Old news but hey it's still out there, you can here him say it in his own words, even the title of the video off to the side of the article announces it:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/phil-spector/5150491/The-rise-and-fall-of-Phil-Spector.html

Well I wonder how long before someone in the media contacts the CDOC and inquires as to why they were so jealous by holding up the letters from his wife but not what appears to be his #1 fan.

Actually Kennedy, Sandra purports to be his no. 6 fan, I am not sure what that means to be honest, but I know that Sandra was his no. 7 fan, so there is obviously something going on here. Oh well, who cares really, there are more important things in life aren't there, such as life.

[hiitsme]

Actually Kennedy, Sandra purports to be his no. 6 fan, I am not sure what that means to be honest, but I know that Sandra was his no. 7 fan, so there is obviously something going on here. Oh well, who cares really, there are more important things in life aren't there, such as life.

There certainly are more important things, and all of our lives are a lot safer knowing that Phil Spector, the murderer of an innocent woman can no longer repeat his disgusting behavior. What in this world does the pecking order of any delusional fan of PS have on the fact that he murdered Lana Clarkson? So far, the numbers of supporters seem to be slim to none.

[kennedy06]

Actually Kennedy, Sandra purports to be his no. 6 fan, I am not sure what that means to be honest, but I know that Sandra was his no. 7 fan, so there is obviously something going on here. Oh well, who cares really, there are more important things in life aren't there, such as life.

If Phil wants to call her as the letter indicates reimbursing for charges and all she may actually rank higher than 6 or 7! If Phil didn't write it and that prison stamping is not real I'm sure it will be noted somehow by the CDOC possibly if they are questioned by the press or someone as to why at that time they weren't letting him have his wife's mail but they would allow this woman's letters to go through.

So it will take a year for the appeal the letter says.

JMO
paraphrasing

[My 2 Cents]

RE: Phil's printing/handwriting in that letter to fan

MAKING A CIRCLE ABOVE ALL YOUR "I"s:

Ok, I'm still surprised that Phil's handwriting/printing looks like it does. (If its even from him). Its just so BIG and CLUMSY. Kind of like a 2nd or 3rd grader with "small motor skill" difficulties. I also found it just as surprising that a grown man places CIRCLES over all his "i"s.

ANYWAY . . just for fun, I glanced at a couple of HANDWRITING ANALYSIS websites, to read what "graphologists" had to say about the personalities of those who MAKE A CIRCLE WHEN "DOTTING" AN "i" in their signature or throughout their handwriting.

WOW . . Maybe there IS something to all this Handwriting Analysis stuff. LOL

THE LETTER "I"
When the dot over the "i" is made in the form of a circle, it indicates a sign of AFFECTATION and PRETENSE.

Definition of -
"AFFECTATION": Artificial manner or appearance; effort to attract notice by pretense, assumption, or any assumed peculiarity.

"PRETENSE"/"PRETENTIOUS": Making unjustified or excessive claims, expressing unwarranted or exaggerated importance, worth or stature.

And I won't even go into what it said about the BIG LOOPING type handwriting used in the UPPER ZONE portion of letters (like "Phillip" uses when signing his name). I'll just leave these 3 words: "rebellious", "persistent" and a "talker".

I've had my signature "analyzed" on 2 different occasions, just for fun. At a county fair or something like that (once in a big machine and once by a person) and I was really surprised at how "spot on" both analysis came out as (with regards to "my own personality"). Both the "good" and the "bad" points. LOL. - - - OK, OK, OK . . I DON'T care to hear any feedback, analyzing what it means when a person follows a trial closely, of someone they don't even know OR continues to show interest AFTER the person is found convicted and is sitting in prison. I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT THAT WOULD ACTUALLY SAY ABOUT A PERSONALITY. LOL!!!!!! :scared:

[oodi]

Good info, My 2 Cents!! And it sure seems to fit the personality, doesn't it.

As for our personalities... we're following justice, not the person who perpetrated the crime. :wink:

[NotAgain]

OMG the fact that there could be six more, if she is no. 7 is scary:scared:

[Deannalynn]

Awwww, the poor fellow!!! NOT!!!! Even if he has to wait 2 months for his wife to be "cleared" to see him (and I don't think I believe all that he says anyway) @ least he WILL be able to see her--when Lana Clarkson's family will NEVER, EVER get to see her again, thanks to Mr Wonderful.

Whaaaaa Whaaaa Whaaaa!!!! He should get treated better than other common murderers? Just because he's a "celebrity" shouldn't mean he would get special privileges. He had plenty of time to set his business in order, it's not the anyone else's problem that he didn't bother. Even if he tho't he would not be found guilty, he should have had everything taken care of.

IMO, he should not be one of the "sick or elderly" that would be released--if he could kill Lana Clarkson, he could certainly be a danger to the judge he hates so much.

The "penpal" is a piece of work, too. First bragging about his correspondence, sharing it with others, then all of a sudden, nope, he's writing to ME. Well, he was writing to HER all the time, she was the one wanting to "share" or more likely, just wanting to be important, more "special" than other Spector followers who didn't get letters from him.

And, gee, does he think Rachelle is going to appreciate his calling this penpal? Probably not.

Poor, poor fellow. I guess he should have tho't of the consequences before he murdered Lana Clarkson. Maybe he was sure that because his is a "celebrity" that he would either be found not guilty, or @ least would have just had to pay a little fine, or maybe nothing. Celebrity status is supposed to get you treatment mere mortals can't expect to get. SORRY, PHIL. lol. :tonguewag:

Yeah, that Pen pal thing going on slays me. Who would have thought Phil boy would be writing to another woman. He hates woman and thinks they're all $3&t#...He's a bad man and I don't understand what possesses woman to write to these killers.
Wonder how Rachelle is taking it.
Probably very well, like she really gives a darn.:rolleyes:

[Amy]

Yeah, that Pen pal thing going on slays me. Who would have thought Phil boy would be writing to another woman. He hates woman and thinks they're all $3&t#...He's a bad man and I don't understand what possesses woman to write to these killers.
Wonder how Rachelle is taking it.
Probably very well, like she really gives a darn.:rolleyes:

For sure, if he's spending his time answering fan letters, and trying to get his new penpals to talk to him on the phone, that is that much less time she has to spend on him. And, she won't have to listen to him whine about not getting to see/talk to her. I'm wondering why prison officials let him get letters from his penpals, but not his wifey? Probably he's not getting them cuz probably she's not writing them, but whatever face-saving story he can come up w/is okay be me!!!

[My 2 Cents]

Here is an article published yesterday, Monday September 21, 2009 by Steve Mikulan (he's a journalist from Los Angeles that attended the 1st trial and some of the retrial).

He's just addressing the letter published by gawker.com from the Spector fan. However, his take on the letter, Spector AND the responses printed in his COMMENTS section from readers are a riot.

http://blogs.laweekly.com/ladaily/crime/phil-spectors-jail-letters/

[JazzyBell]

Just about what all of us expected from Philly Boy. He's where he belongs and will stay there until he dies. He's done - stick a fork in him.

As for his "fans", well Charles Manson has fans and Richard Ramierez (Nightstalker) has fans and Peterson has fans....

They are just sad, sad people. They will always be there.

I guess I'm surprised that this justifies a topic anymore.

[barskin&co.]

Dominick Dunne (R.I.P.) is hosting a special on the Lana Clarkson murder case. It premieres on TruTV Friday night at 10. I can't wait.

[kennedy06]

I agree Lucky, I just think there will always be a way he will be out there, I'm sure we haven't heard the last of him yet. I thought the show was ok, but as Jazzy said it was like a soundbite. We have followed so much and heard the evidence so many times and discussed it in so many ways...I wanted to say but no the living room didn't look like that or I think he was tackled more into the foyer not just on the landing (maybe I'm wrong). It was nice to hear Dominick D. and his way of telling his experiences PS and with the trial. He will be missed.

[hiitsme]

Here is an article published yesterday, Monday September 21, 2009 by Steve Mikulan (he's a journalist from Los Angeles that attended the 1st trial and some of the retrial).

He's just addressing the letter published by gawker.com from the Spector fan. However, his take on the letter, Spector AND the responses printed in his COMMENTS section from readers are a riot.

http://blogs.laweekly.com/ladaily/crime/phil-spectors-jail-letters/

I've just read all of the comments and they definitely are a "riot". This murderer is such a loser and must be an embarrassment to those who support him, especially the ones he's paying. Even the worst of the worst, Peterson, both of them, and Simpson have remained silent about their treatment in their new pads.