9/4 Part II After Doc Dump

[Sweetly]

New thread all ready for us! :smile:

[MomofaMarine]

New thread all ready for us! :smile:


Thank you!

Hey Scampi you have a pm.

[desmom]

Hours Of Interviews Released In Casey Case
http://www.wftv.com/news/20723700/detail.html

Audio: Lenny Padilla
http://www.wftv.com/video/20724903/index.html

Audio: Tracy McLaughlin
http://www.wftv.com/video/20726607/index.html

Audio: Robert Dick
http://www.wftv.com/video/20726987/index.html

Caylee Pics: Photos Released September 4, 2009
http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/20727408/detail.html

Audio: Cindy Anthony Speaks with Cmdr. Matt Irwin
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Meeting%20Matt%20Cindy.WMA

[MomofaMarine]

Thank you Desmom for all of the links! :thumbsup:

[TunaMelt]

Hours Of Interviews Released In Casey Case
http://www.wftv.com/news/20723700/detail.html

Audio: Lenny Padilla
http://www.wftv.com/video/20724903/index.html

Audio: Tracy McLaughlin
http://www.wftv.com/video/20726607/index.html

Audio: Robert Dick
http://www.wftv.com/video/20726987/index.html

Caylee Pics: Photos Released September 4, 2009
http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/20727408/detail.html

Audio: Cindy Anthony Speaks with Cmdr. Matt Irwin
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Meeting%20Matt%20Cindy.WMA

DESMON: Thank you, thank you again! So much!:smile:

[cherish]

Did you notice that the only time Cindy stopped babbling, and was quiet, was when Matt Irwin talked about SA offering a deal?

It's really difficult to make out what Cindy is saying at this point, but she definitely becomes quieter. I hope we get to read transcripts soon.

[Sweetly]

As usual, thank you so very much Des! You are amazing. Don't know what we'd do without you! Wow, Tracy's interview is just amazing! This whole case has gone from bizarre to bizarre! This family just ceases to blow me away! I can't wait until this trial starts! It's going to blow every other case out of the water as far as "out of control" goes!!!

[TisMeAgain]

New thread all ready for us! :smile:

Thank you! I'm still listening to Traci.

[GumShoeJoe]

The most interesting thing I have read today from all of your posts is the comment about the shovel being used to get the ladder out of the pool. Back when, Cindy was all about the Zenaida story being true, and still Cindy made some deal about the pool ladder and the gate, too (which had nothing to do with Zenaida, so it struck me as odd).

And didn't Cindy say Caylee went swimming when they got back from the nursing home?

The pool. I wonder.... I REALLY wonder.

[desmom]

Does anyone remember a song by Seven Dust? Tracy said Casey said the song was in her head the whole time she was in jail, it describes her life and she just couldn't get it out of her head. Tracy said they listened to like 13 times in a row one day. Cindy said something the song describes her life and Casey said that is my song. Cindy started crying and Casey said "I guess you don't want to hear it again."

Erase the past again, I hope it doesn't scream my name, I am up I am down like a roller coaster are some of the lyrics.

Anyone remember this from past posts? TIA

[TunaMelt]

I'm late to the party so to speak, so forgive what's probably a duplicate observation:

From Tracy's tape, it sure sounds to me like Lee is involved in this somehow, up to his ears.

Anyone else?

[TisMeAgain]

DESMON: Thank you, thank you again! So much!:smile:

We get Rob Dick's too! Wow! Yippie! I'm so ready for this trial!

[TunaMelt]

Is Rob Dick the guy that Cindy fell all over, hugging him, in Blanchard Park after the search?

Remember that? She was just hanging all over some guy, and I need to be reminded if that was Rob Dick??

Thanks!

[marinewife5]

Does anyone remember a song by Seven Dust? Tracy said Casey said the song was in her head the whole time she was in jail, it describes her life and she just couldn't get it out of her head. Tracy said they listened to like 13 times in a row one day. Cindy said something the song describes her life and Casey said that is my song. Cindy started crying and Casey said "I guess you don't want to hear it again."

Erase the past again, I hope it doesn't scream my name, I am up I am down like a roller coaster are some of the lyrics.

Anyone remember this from past posts? TIA



http://www.mp3lyrics.org/s/sevendust/the-past/


the song is "the past" and the lyrics are at the link above

[Sweetly]

I'm late to the party so to speak, so forgive what's probably a duplicate observation:

From Tracy's tape, it sure sounds to me like Lee is involved in this somehow, up to his ears.

Anyone else?

I believe all the Anthony's are "involved up to their ears" with all their lies, mistruths, made up stories, cover-ups and bizarre behaviors. Not a one of them has taken the side of little Caylee. This has to be the most bizarre thing of all!!! I just can't wrap my head around any of this or any of them!:cursing:

[♫Rock*Star♫]

Does anyone remember a song by Seven Dust? Tracy said Casey said the song was in her head the whole time she was in jail, it describes her life and she just couldn't get it out of her head. Tracy said they listened to like 13 times in a row one day. Cindy said something the song describes her life and Casey said that is my song. Cindy started crying and Casey said "I guess you don't want to hear it again."

Erase the past again, I hope it doesn't scream my name, I am up I am down like a roller coaster are some of the lyrics.

Anyone remember this from past posts? TIA

I indeed remember that.

I also remember Sevendust posting a response on their website.

[desmom]

http://www.mp3lyrics.org/s/sevendust/the-past/


the song is "the past" and the lyrics are at the link above

Thanks. I will check it out.

[♫Rock*Star♫]

Is Rob Dick the guy that Cindy fell all over, hugging him, in Blanchard Park after the search?

Remember that? She was just hanging all over some guy, and I need to be reminded if that was Rob Dick??

Thanks!

Your memory is correct. It was Rob Dick.

[TisMeAgain]

I'm late to the party so to speak, so forgive what's probably a duplicate observation:

From Tracy's tape, it sure sounds to me like Lee is involved in this somehow, up to his ears.

Anyone else?

I hav'nt got to that part. But from what we already know, I say yes. I know he deleted stuff off her computer the night he went to TonE's to get it. I think that's why he's been so quiet. I also think Casey told lee where Caylee was. IMO :smile:

[ruth66]

I hav'nt got to that part. But from what we already know, I say yes. I know he deleted stuff off her computer the night he went to TonE's to get it. I think that's why he's been so quiet. I also think Casey told lee where Caylee was. IMO :smile:

I also think Lee knew what Casey's part-time (cough cough) employment was and that may have been part of what was being deleted. IMO Lee is more involved than we know. JMO

[♫Rock*Star♫]

For those that missed the original posting... here is Sevendust's response:

SEVENDUST has issued the following statement regarding the matter:

"After hearing the news that our song 'The Past' was a topic of discussion on the Nancy Grace show yesterday, we would like to elaborate. The song was written as a song of hope. A song with positive message. To look back on your life and reflect and to feel good about getting through the rough times that everyone goes through, the roller coaster of life, so to speak.

"We regret that we've been linked to the horrible subject involving the disappearance of little Caylee Anthony. Most of us have children and have been saddened by the story from the beginning.

"We pray for the safe return of this beautiful young child and wish her family strength."

SEVENDUST Song Linked To Case Of Missing Little Girl CAYLEE ANTHONY - Nov. 21, 2008 (http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=109408)

[TunaMelt]

Have you looked at the photographs.

Without a doubt, I see that the last photos (most recent) of Caylee -- she had circles under her eyes, dark smudges that healthy well taken care of children do not have.

Caylee did, it's not just imagination or seeing something that I want to see to make her mother and that family look guilty.

Caylee didn't look well.


She looked like a child who'd spent more time in the dark than in the light, is what she looked like.
The poor thing.
:crying:

[TisMeAgain]

I also think Lee knew what Casey's part-time (cough cough) employment was and that may have been part of what was being deleted. IMO Lee is more involved than we know. JMO

Hey Traci just called us losers! LOLOL

[TunaMelt]

For those that missed the original posting... here is Sevendust's response:

SEVENDUST has issued the following statement regarding the matter:

"After hearing the news that our song 'The Past' was a topic of discussion on the Nancy Grace show yesterday, we would like to elaborate. The song was written as a song of hope. A song with positive message. To look back on your life and reflect and to feel good about getting through the rough times that everyone goes through, the roller coaster of life, so to speak.

"We regret that we've been linked to the horrible subject involving the disappearance of little Caylee Anthony. Most of us have children and have been saddened by the story from the beginning.

"We pray for the safe return of this beautiful young child and wish her family strength."

SEVENDUST Song Linked To Case Of Missing Little Girl CAYLEE ANTHONY - Nov. 21, 2008 (http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=109408)

Evidently their PR person is out of touch with what happened to "that poor child" or they'd know she was found dead 9 months ago.:angry:

[MorningGlory]

http://www.mp3lyrics.org/s/sevendust/the-past/


the song is "the past" and the lyrics are at the link above


Not to make too much of it since it is just a song, but when I read the lyrics, the words "soul beneath the water", and "drowning", really jumped out at me.

[Roux]

I appreciate hearing what Tracy has to say but boy is she annoying in her laughing. Her demanor is so casual and joking that really bothers me.

[TunaMelt]

I hav'nt got to that part. But from what we already know, I say yes. I know he deleted stuff off her computer the night he went to TonE's to get it. I think that's why he's been so quiet. I also think Casey told lee where Caylee was. IMO :smile:

Me too, TisMe.
:smile:

[TisMeAgain]

I also think Lee knew what Casey's part-time (cough cough) employment was and that may have been part of what was being deleted. IMO Lee is more involved than we know. JMO

Me too! When is that going to come out?:tonguewag:

[TunaMelt]

I appreciate hearing what Tracy has to say but boy is she annoying in her laughing. Her demanor is so casual and joking that really bothers me.

Nervous?

...but I agree, I had to turn the volume down, her laughing was too high pitched and was annoying.

[Roux]

Hey Traci just called us losers! LOLOL

Yeah, I was insulted! :laugh:

[desmom]

Tracy said the first morning she was there, she woke up to George screaming loud enough you could have heard him across the street - "quit your ******* lying, don't ****** lie to me, I am not putting up with your ****." Casey said, "No, no You have to believe me, don't treat me like a scumbag cop. You act like my father. You act like my father instead of a cop."

Cindy called for Jim to come out there and said they can't act like that. Casey told George he had to leave.

Is this when George left? 1:23 on the clock http://www.wftv.com/video/17257635/index.html

[ruth66]

Have you looked at the photographs.

Without a doubt, I see that the last photos (most recent) of Caylee -- she had circles under her eyes, dark smudges that healthy well taken care of children do not have.

Caylee did, it's not just imagination or seeing something that I want to see to make her mother and that family look guilty.

Caylee didn't look well.


She looked like a child who'd spent more time in the dark than in the light, is what she looked like.
The poor thing.
:crying:

ITA...there is something in the pictures of her at about 2 and older. Those eyes say alot. The smile is deceiving but the eyes tell a story.
So sad! JMO

[Roux]

Nervous?

...but I agree, I had to turn the volume down, her laughing was too high pitched and was annoying.

You're probably right that it was nerves but I would have expected her to be more professional and serious-minded.

[♫Rock*Star♫]

Evidently their PR person is out of touch with what happened to "that poor child" or they'd know she was found dead 9 months ago.:angry:

The response was posted November 21, 2008. Soon after the Nancy Grace episode that mentioned the song.

[ruth66]

Hey Traci just called us losers! LOLOL

I guess I better go listen to her interview. How old is this Tracy person anyway?

[TunaMelt]

Me too! When is that going to come out?:tonguewag:

My thinking has been that Lee was a part of KC's "part time employment" in some way -- so his deleting from her computer stuff relating to that was to cover for both of them.

I think he was her bimp, except take away the "b" and replace it with a "p."

:sneaky:

[TunaMelt]

The response was posted November 21, 2008. Soon after the Nancy Grace episode that mentioned the song.

Oh, okay, thank you Rock Star. I didn't see that.

I stand corrected.

:smile:

[tulpje]

Evidently their PR person is out of touch with what happened to "that poor child" or they'd know she was found dead 9 months ago.:angry:



That statement was made back in 2008, before Caylee's body was found.

:confused:

[ruth66]

My thinking has been that Lee was a part of KC's "part time employment" in some way -- so his deleting from her computer stuff relating to that was to cover for both of them.

I think he was her bimp, except take away the "b" and replace it with a "p."

:sneaky:

Great minds think alike! Lee is running scared. JMO

[ruth66]

Cindy says that they are keeping Casey off the home computer. Hmmmm, is someone telling a mistruth?

[♫Rock*Star♫]

Oh, okay, thank you Rock Star. I didn't see that.

I stand corrected.

:smile:

You are most welcome. :)

[5boxersmom]

ITA...there is something in the pictures of her at about 2 and older. Those eyes say alot. The smile is deceiving but the eyes tell a story.
So sad! JMO

She also looks like she has been crying in alot of the photos too.

jmo

[Jeepers]

I appreciate hearing what Tracy has to say but boy is she annoying in her laughing. Her demanor is so casual and joking that really bothers me.

I understand but, I really think Tracy was just blown away with Casey's behavior.

[ish]

Did you notice that the only time Cindy stopped babbling, and was quiet, was when Matt Irwin talked about SA offering a deal?

It's really difficult to make out what Cindy is saying at this point, but she definitely becomes quieter. I hope we get to read transcripts soon.

Yes, she spent so much of the interview telling Irwin that she believed Caylee was still alive and he bascially tells her, sorry, that's not realistic anymore, see if you can coinvince your daughter to fess up to an accident, cause when we find her it's gonna be too late, for any deals.

[alisa31235]

I understand but, I really think Tracy was just blown away with Casey's behavior.

I can`t get the links to load am i doing something wrong i got cindy`s ? HELP

[desmom]

I can`t get the links to load am i doing something wrong i got cindy`s ? HELP

If I want to watch any videos on WFTV, I have to clear my history before it will load. jmo

[alisa31235]

If I want to watch any videos on WFTV, I have to clear my history before it will load. jmo

Thank you are always a help

[Jeepers]

I can`t get the links to load am i doing something wrong i got cindy`s ? HELP

http://www.wftv.com/video/20726607/index.html

Try this

[TisMeAgain]

I appreciate hearing what Tracy has to say but boy is she annoying in her laughing. Her demanor is so casual and joking that really bothers me.

I agree, why does she keep laughing? I just listened to the part where they were watching NG and LE came to arrest her. They had no idea she was going to be arrested. Didn't Jose say he knew. Also when she got out of jail he said Cayse said she wanted to hold her head up high. Gawd! She really said GMTF outta here.

[jakee]

I just finished with Cindy's lunch date interview. I could listen to her all day. :sneaky:

At the end, where did he take Cindy? I thought I heard her say she was going to go see her girls, but I had such a hard time hearing.

[desmom]

I agree, why does she keep laughing? I just listened to the part where they were watching NG and LE came to arrest her. They had no idea she was going to be arrested. Didn't Jose say he knew. Also when she got out of jail he said Cayse said she wanted to hold her head up high. Gawd! She really said GMTF outta here.

IMO, Tracy's laughter is more out of amazement than she thinks it is funny.

[ttcRider]

Have you looked at the photographs.

Without a doubt, I see that the last photos (most recent) of Caylee -- she had circles under her eyes, dark smudges that healthy well taken care of children do not have.

Caylee did, it's not just imagination or seeing something that I want to see to make her mother and that family look guilty.

Caylee didn't look well.


She looked like a child who'd spent more time in the dark than in the light, is what she looked like.
The poor thing.
:crying:

I was going to post that too, she has such a sad look in her eyes. :sad:

[desmom]

Tracy interview (paraphrasing)

LE: Did Casey ever say anything about the evidence is wrong and if it is presented in court or at the time of trial it would end up..

Tracy: Mistrial?

LE: Yea Mistrial.

Tracy. Yea a few times. That is what she is looking forward to - mistrial, COV, too much publicity, not so much the evidence being wrong there is just too much ..... just mistrial. If it goes to court, it will be a mistrial.

Discussion between Tracy & Casey about the hair samples. Hair samples Casey is not worried about it. Tracy pointed out that the tests showed they are either Caylee's or her's (Casey's). Casey said well I am alive.

So Casey thinks there is going to be a mistrial. I wonder where she got that idea. JB? Would that have been JB's AHA moment? I wonder if Lyon has straightened her out about that little tidbit.

jmo

[denjet]

http://www.mp3lyrics.org/s/sevendust/the-past/


the song is "the past" and the lyrics are at the link above
just a snipet of the song that creeps me out ... no wonder it made Cindy cry ...
"Beneath the water
that's falling from my eyes
lays a soul I've left behind
the edge of sorrow was
reached but now I'm fine
I've filled the hole I had inside

I pray it doesn't scream my name
so I light a flame and let it breathe
the air that kills the shame"
:crying:

[TunaMelt]

Leonard talked about a birthday card, allegedly given to Caylee by Jesse Grund. He said he thought the card was "creepy," that it sounded (para) like a card you'd send to an adult woman, not a child.

Okay. Baez is the one who got the card and gave it to Leonard to see, and Baez told him it was from Jesse. We don't know for a fact it was from Jesse.

I think it might have been from the ONLY adult man we've heard who talked about Caylee in an odd way, a too mature way, like a lover, and that would be LEE. :scared: with that creepy "CMA, CMA, CMA"


I betcha it was Lee who gave that card to Caylee. Jesse wouldn't think that that, doesn't think like that, but we know that Lee does.

:thumbdown:

I wonder where that birthday card is now?

[denjet]

Um, that describes ANY man I think! But was that not also the day she got so pizzed at Lenny at JBPark when TES was in the water there "looking" for Caylee? I think George had to hold her back - (which is always to funny to me!) Was it because they were NOT SUPPOSED TO BE looking for a "dead" Caylee?

btw - if Cindy and Casey were both kinda side glancing at Rob's "physique" - they must be more man deprived than I thought - cause he is such a "babe" isn't he? Gosh, didn't Cindy have her hands full with DCasey at that time? Maybe she hubba-hubba'd Jim Hoover, too! They both think that if they are trying to shine someone, it should be a MAN - which is funny, too - cause these are the MEN who will be instrumental in bringing this whole thing down. Just wondering.
bolding mine..
which is why Cindy got even more angry with LE because she couldn't win them over with her "girlish charm" ... Yuri wasn't falling for it from the get go

[MomofaMarine]

Casey talked to Tracy about date rape drugs and brings up chloroform before it is ever mentioned by L.E. ? Do I have that right?

[desmom]

Casey talked to Tracy about date rape drugs and brings up chloroform before it is ever mentioned by L.E. ? Do I have that right?

IMO, you have it right.

[Scampi]

Casey talked to Tracy about date rape drugs and brings up chloroform before it is ever mentioned by L.E. ? Do I have that right?

I just love that little tidbit.

[Imperfect4]

I'm late to the party so to speak, so forgive what's probably a duplicate observation:

From Tracy's tape, it sure sounds to me like Lee is involved in this somehow, up to his ears.

Anyone else?

He's either involved, or he's a certifiable putz.

Lies about ordering the pizzas. Is rude to Tracy. Slobbers on his wrist and wails "CMA" at the Cindyfest. Wears tube socks. Refuses a polygraph. Plays junior detective. Talks about how clever he and his family are. Etc.

First class a$$. MallyBu! must also be a piece of work.

[Imperfect4]

I appreciate hearing what Tracy has to say but boy is she annoying in her laughing. Her demanor is so casual and joking that really bothers me.

It bugged me, too. She was saying the right things, but the nervous laughter was really inappropriate, imo. (Shades of Lee.) She sounded like someone who literally found herself in the situation ... not like a professional who was there to do a specific job.

[Imperfect4]

I guess I better go listen to her interview. How old is this Tracy person anyway?

Old enough to have a son who Casey developed the hots for, via photograph. <gag>

[ruth66]

Old enough to have a son who Casey developed the hots for, via photograph. <gag>

I haven't gotten to that part yet, I am listening to the jury speak for the King trial. Jury recommended death.

[ttcRider]

He's either involved, or he's a certifiable putz.

Lies about ordering the pizzas. Is rude to Tracy. Slobbers on his wrist and wails "CMA" at the Cindyfest. Wears tube socks. Refuses a polygraph. Plays junior detective. Talks about how clever he and his family are. Etc.

First class a$$. MallyBu! must also be a piece of work.

you HAD to bring up the tube socks... I'm gonna get fired today, I've already been told to 'keep it down'. :lol:

[cassidy]

He's either involved, or he's a certifiable putz.
Lies about ordering the pizzas. Is rude to Tracy. Slobbers on his wrist and wails "CMA" at the Cindyfest. Wears tube socks. Refuses a polygraph. Plays junior detective. Talks about how clever he and his family are. Etc.

First class a$$. MallyBu! must also be a piece of work.

How about both of the above :)

[Imperfect4]

I haven't gotten to that part yet, I am listening to the jury speak for the King trial. Jury recommended death.

Bolded to address. Works for me.

[witchywoman]

Hours Of Interviews Released In Casey Case
http://www.wftv.com/news/20723700/detail.html

Audio: Lenny Padilla
http://www.wftv.com/video/20724903/index.html

Audio: Tracy McLaughlin
http://www.wftv.com/video/20726607/index.html

Audio: Robert Dick
http://www.wftv.com/video/20726987/index.html

Caylee Pics: Photos Released September 4, 2009
http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/20727408/detail.html

Audio: Cindy Anthony Speaks with Cmdr. Matt Irwin
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Meeting%20Matt%20Cindy.WMA

desmom, you rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(mo)

thnx 4 the hook up with the links

[Imperfect4]

you HAD to bring up the tube socks... I'm gonna get fired today, I've already been told to 'keep it down'. :lol:

OMG those freaking socks. :rolleyes:

[denjet]

He's either involved, or he's a certifiable putz.

Lies about ordering the pizzas. Is rude to Tracy. Slobbers on his wrist and wails "CMA" at the Cindyfest. Wears tube socks. Refuses a polygraph. Plays junior detective. Talks about how clever he and his family are. Etc.

First class a$$. MallyBu! must also be a piece of work.
bolding mine
Imp, you crack me up! :lol:
...pulled up to his knees no less !! what a goober!

[*Serenity*]

I love the part where Rob and Tracy decide they are both going to ignore Casey, and she couldn't stand it. She kept asking Rob about the helicopter. OMG... she is a bigger nutcase that I originally thought.
Always planning what to wear for her outings. Wanting to Caylee on the radio and more coverage & donations. She was going to start wearing a different Caylee shirt everyday. WOW she is really one messed up chick. She murdered Caylee and acts like life is one big celebrity party for her.

The needle can't come soon enough for her!

[Katprint]

So Casey thinks there is going to be a mistrial. I wonder where she got that idea. JB? Would that have been JB's AHA moment? I wonder if Lyon has straightened her out about that little tidbit. <respectfully snipped>

It sounds like something Casey learned from watching her serial killer movies and/or crime TV shows. On TV, a hung jury mistrial is a big win. In real life, a hung jury generally means a retrial. Since the prosecution has already put its cards on the table prior to trial (as required by law) and the defense reveals its hand at the first trial, retrials generally favor the prosecution. Plus, if you are in no-bail pretrial detention, a succession of one mistrial after another merely means you have already begun to serve a life sentence on the installment plan.

If the mistrial is caused by egregious governmental misconduct then the case is not re-tried. However, Casey appears to have been talking about problems with the evidence rather than any particular bad thing some police officer or investigator or prosecutor did.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[summer4meplz]

I'm listening to Tracy's interview....her constant laughing is irritating....imo...but she is loaded with good info....

[desmom]

Anyone else think Cindy popped a cork this morning when she saw the Cindy Anthony Speaks with Cmdr. Matt Irwin at http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/9/4/new_casey_anthony_evidence.html ?

I bet Cindy did not know she was being taped. :tonguewag:

[Imperfect4]

This is soooo weird:

At 7:27 on the Tracy tape …

So we’re sitting in the kitchen and they start bringing up the shovel. And I’m just sitting there – this is my little thing, I’d sit there and play with my phone and act like I’m not paying attention. She starts talking about the shovel and she says, “Well hello, they didn’t even have the time line right.” And her mom says, “No.” Casey says, “They didn’t have the time line right.” And then her mom said, “Yeah, they didn’t even know what you were doing.” She goes “Hello! I was using it to knock the bamboo down.” And then she said, “And get the ladder out of the pool.” And as soon as she said that, I’m sitting like this, her mom looks at her like “Shut up.” George walks in from the back room, shaking his head (I’m not supposed to see), getting in the cupboard. Like “Just drop that.” So that’s when she said “getting the ladder out of the pool.” That’s what she needed the ladder for.

Why did both Cindy and George react to Casey mentioning the pool ladder to Tracy?

[sydney]

bolding mine..
which is why Cindy got even more angry with LE because she couldn't win them over with her "girlish charm" ... Yuri wasn't falling for it from the get go

heh heh heh. let's see - too old for a cougar. iirc, she turned the BIG 5-0 not too long ago.

up here, if guys go looking for women her age, they call it "geri-trolling". :laugh:

[summer4meplz]

This is soooo weird:

At 7:27 on the Tracy tape …

So we’re sitting in the kitchen and they start bringing up the shovel. And I’m just sitting there – this is my little thing, I’d sit there and play with my phone and act like I’m not paying attention. She starts talking about the shovel and she says, “Well hello, they didn’t even have the time line right.” And her mom says, “No.” Casey says, “They didn’t have the time line right.” And then her mom said, “Yeah, they didn’t even know what you were doing.” She goes “Hello! I was using it to knock the bamboo down.” And then she said, “And get the ladder out of the pool.” And as soon as she said that, I’m sitting like this, her mom looks at her like “Shut up.” George walks in from the back room, shaking his head (I’m not supposed to see), getting in the cupboard. Like “Just drop that.” So that’s when she said “getting the ladder out of the pool.” That’s what she needed the ladder for.

Why did both Cindy and George react to Casey mentioning the pool ladder to Tracy?

maybe Caylee accidently drowned while they were fighting......so they ALL knew she was dead and thrown out into the woods....is it even possible?

[desmom]

<respectfully snipped>

It sounds like something Casey learned from watching her serial killer movies and/or crime TV shows. On TV, a hung jury mistrial is a big win. In real life, a hung jury generally means a retrial. Since the prosecution has already put its cards on the table prior to trial (as required by law) and the defense reveals its hand at the first trial, retrials generally favor the prosecution. Plus, if you are in no-bail pretrial detention, a succession of one mistrial after another merely means you have already begun to serve a life sentence on the installment plan.

If the mistrial is caused by egregious governmental misconduct then the case is not re-tried. However, Casey appears to have been talking about problems with the evidence rather than any particular bad thing some police officer or investigator or prosecutor did.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Thanks Katprint.

Tracy said Casey read a doc dump in JB's office and Casey said a lot of the witness statements were wrong.

A witness's version of events wouldn't lead to a mistrial..would it?

TIA

[summer4meplz]

I also think, while listening to Tracy's interview, that casey is all the way certifiably insane and george and cindy know that.....

[denjet]

OMG ... just started listening to the Rob Dick interview ... I can't believe it .. Baez didn't want Rob or Lenny to enter into a confidentiality agreement and serve as a PI .... he didn't want to go for that ... he didn't want them talking to her at all or in the house at all ... :rolleyes:

Baez KNEW from the beginning his client was guilty !! why wouldn't he want help finding Caylee and exonerating his client ??

Baez has his nerve trying to say after the fact that he DID have a confidentiality agreement and fought to have their interviews used as evidence ... what a piece of work ... he really isn't very bright ...

[msgatorslayer]

Anyone else think Cindy popped a cork this morning when she saw the Cindy Anthony Speaks with Cmdr. Matt Irwin at http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/9/4/new_casey_anthony_evidence.html ?

I bet Cindy did not know she was being taped. :tonguewag:

I bet she's furious. hammer

[Imperfect4]

maybe Caylee accidently drowned while they were fighting......so they ALL knew she was dead and thrown out into the woods....is it even possible?

Maybe.

I'm very suspicious of their involvement, and I wasn't up until now.

That little shovel exchange took place the day Casey was bailed out of jail the first time. Seems to me either the Anthony family spent time together before she was arrested (during the hours between her *capture* by Cindy on July 15th and her subsequent arrest) trying to pull a story together they would all tell, or Ma and Pa Anthony were around and in close proximity to Caylee's *terminal event* in mid-June.

I'm very suspicious. :mad:

[cassidy]

maybe Caylee accidently drowned while they were fighting......so they ALL knew she was dead and thrown out into the woods....is it even possible?

I don't know. This is an awful lot of trouble to go to in order to cover up an accidental death.
JMO

[Imperfect4]

Anyone else think Cindy popped a cork this morning when she saw the Cindy Anthony Speaks with Cmdr. Matt Irwin at http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/9/4/new_casey_anthony_evidence.html ?

I bet Cindy did not know she was being taped. :tonguewag:

I'm sure she popped a cork to discover she'd been taped. But I'm equally sure that by now, having listened to her own performance, she's damn happy with herself.

[summer]

I also think, while listening to Tracy's interview, that casey is all the way certifiably insane and george and cindy know that.....

Hey sis! :seeya:

Only thing about that is how does one insane person (Cindy IMO) recognize another? She probably thinks Casey is just fine - just like her and she's soooo proud -- a daughter any parent would be proud of!!!

I can't even address George in regard to any of this because he's just a blob on the horizon. A glob of nothingness in the family petrie dish.

[Imperfect4]

Thanks Katprint.

Tracy said Casey read a doc dump in JB's office and Casey said a lot of the witness statements were wrong.

A witness's version of events wouldn't lead to a mistrial..would it?

TIA

"Casey said." :lol: :lol: :lol:

[cassidy]

Anyone else think Cindy popped a cork this morning when she saw the Cindy Anthony Speaks with Cmdr. Matt Irwin at http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/9/4/new_casey_anthony_evidence.html ?

I bet Cindy did not know she was being taped. :tonguewag:

I couldn't listen to it very long because I was getting a lot of background noise. But Yuri, if you read here, ummmmmmmm..... Cindy doesn't like you at all LOL.

lucky you

[desmom]

New Anthony Video: Dominic Casey Searches Woods
http://www.wesh.com/video/20728364/index.html

Video released Friday shows former Anthony family investigator Dominic Casey searching woods near where Caylee was found.

[Imperfect4]

I don't know. This is an awful lot of trouble to go to in order to cover up an accidental death.
JMO

Maybe it wasn't accidental, but did involve the pool.

[summer4meplz]

Maybe.

I'm very suspicious of their involvement, and I wasn't up until now.

That little shovel exchange took place the day Casey was bailed out of jail the first time. Seems to me either the Anthony family spent time together before she was arrested (during the hours between her *capture* by Cindy on July 15th and her subsequent arrest) trying to pull a story together they would all tell, or Ma and Pa Anthony were around and in close proximity to Caylee's *terminal event* in mid-June.

I'm very suspicious. :mad:

but...IF that was the case....why did cindy call 911? they could have probably gotten away with it.,,,,just tell neighbors and extended family Caylee went to live with her dad..... I think the guilt and cover up comes from cindy and george letting casey leave with poor helpless Caylee.....KNOWING what casey is capable of.....

[summer]

maybe Caylee accidently drowned while they were fighting......so they ALL knew she was dead and thrown out into the woods....is it even possible?

Very interesting. For the first time I'm starting to think this is a possibility. The whole shovel discussion and the Ants reaction to the ladder in the pool is way off the meter.

I've always thought Cindy suspected (strongly) Caylee was gone after she hung up with 911 and then she heard the truth from Casey or tube sock guy. Now I'm not sure at all.

[msgatorslayer]

I don't know. This is an awful lot of trouble to go to in order to cover up an accidental death.
JMO

Exactly! I cannot believe anyone would cover up an accident. Not of their own child, anyway. Children die in Florida all the time from pool drownings and hot cars. Casey never called for help. She just double bagged and tossed Caylee away like trash. THAT sounds nothing like an accident.

[cassidy]

New Anthony Video: Dominic Casey Searches Woods
http://www.wesh.com/video/20728364/index.html

Video released Friday shows former Anthony family investigator Dominic Casey searching woods near where Caylee was found.

I want to know who he's on the phone with.

[neid_77]

I still cannot for the life of me get over how selfcentered and selfish this woman is I JUST CAN'T!! I NEVER!! seen anything like and hope to never again...i just cannot comprhend it..and thank God i am nothing like it!:cursing:

[summer]

I think Cindy's read or heard her interview transcript before we got it today. Baez has had it for awhile and maybe gave it to BC?

[Imperfect4]

Hey sis! :seeya:

Only thing about that is how does one insane person (Cindy IMO) recognize another? She probably thinks Casey is just fine - just like her and she's soooo proud -- a daughter any parent would be proud of!!!

I can't even address George in regard to any of this because he's just a blob on the horizon. A glob of nothingness in the family petrie dish.

ITA with you -- Cindy wouldn't recognize Casey's brand of crazy, since it appears daughter learned all she knows from her crazy mother.

These people aren't nuts, imo. They're evil. People of the Lie.

[denjet]

<respectfully snipped>

It sounds like something Casey learned from watching her serial killer movies and/or crime TV shows. On TV, a hung jury mistrial is a big win. In real life, a hung jury generally means a retrial. Since the prosecution has already put its cards on the table prior to trial (as required by law) and the defense reveals its hand at the first trial, retrials generally favor the prosecution. Plus, if you are in no-bail pretrial detention, a succession of one mistrial after another merely means you have already begun to serve a life sentence on the installment plan.

If the mistrial is caused by egregious governmental misconduct then the case is not re-tried. However, Casey appears to have been talking about problems with the evidence rather than any particular bad thing some police officer or investigator or prosecutor did.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions
Hi Kat (love your posts)!
I wonder if that's where Jose was heading with supposed misconduct and handling of KC in jail ... how the sheriff's office was setting her up, blah, blah, blah ... mmmmm

[really3997]

Very interesting. For the first time I'm starting to think this is a possibility. The whole shovel discussion and the Ants reaction to the ladder in the pool is way off the meter.

I've always thought Cindy suspected (strongly) Caylee was gone after she hung up with 911 and then she heard the truth from Casey or tube sock guy. Now I'm not sure at all.

You know this is killing me not being able to listen to the tapes. I am just getting bits and pieces. Can you elabrate on the shovel and if Casey went into detail about the witness statments..

[summer]

ITA with you -- Cindy wouldn't recognize Casey's brand of crazy, since it appears daughter learned all she knows from her crazy mother.

These people aren't nuts, imo. They're evil. People of the Lie.

You're right, Impf. Evil to the core. I'm convinced. And we don't throw around that word loosely. :mad:

[jakee]

Exactly! I cannot believe anyone would cover up an accident. Not of their own child, anyway. Children die in Florida all the time from pool drownings and hot cars. Casey never called for help. She just double bagged and tossed Caylee away like trash. THAT sounds nothing like an accident.

And if she drowned, why the need for the very rare duct tape?

It is odd that Cindy and George did not want the ladder in the pool to be talked about.

I am listening to Tracy, the whole thing about how Casey brought up chloroform before any of that info came out is odd too. I think I heard that correctly.

[summer]

You know this is killing me not being able to listen to the tapes. I am just getting bits and pieces. Can you elabrate on the shovel and if Casey went into detail about the witness statments..

Hi Really - I haven't listened to the tapes, just commenting on what I've been reading here. I can't stand to listen to those people because they make me sick. Don't even want to hear Tracy right now...

[summer4meplz]

hilarious.....re: Tracy's interview....they had called 911 about the protestors and were watching nancy grace when the police arrived ...they THOUGHT it was because they had called 911 and it was when she got arrested again....love it!

[Rapunzel]

Listening to Tracy about when KC got home...about how great KC thought jail was and they were bringing her food, doing things for her and they all loved her...good...glad she likes it...cause she is going to spend the rest of her life in a place like that...actually worse...prison is much worse then the jail she is...

[summer4meplz]

And if she drowned, why the need for the very rare duct tape?

It is odd that Cindy and George did not want the ladder in the pool to be talked about.

I am listening to Tracy, the whole thing about how Casey brought up chloroform before any of that info came out is odd too. I think I heard that correctly.


I heard that too.....Hi Jakee!!!!

isn't it nice to all be together again? yay dump days!

[Imperfect4]

but...IF that was the case....why did cindy call 911? they could have probably gotten away with it.,,,,just tell neighbors and extended family Caylee went to live with her dad..... I think the guilt and cover up comes from cindy and george letting casey leave with poor helpless Caylee.....KNOWING what casey is capable of.....

How about if Casey told them the truth (or they guessed it) in the hours between Cindy finding her at Tony's and her arrest -- and while they were putting up their bogus MySpace page together, they were simultaneously constructing a story involving an accident in the pool? Perhaps one that Cindy liked better than Casey's Zanny fairy tale ... or perhaps one they might use to fall back on if LE continued to disbelieve Casey's Zanny fairy tale? Perhaps they were still in the process of constructing their story when Casey was arrested, and since she didn't have the full new-and-improved lie to tell, she reverted back to her Zanny lie?

I know this is confusing and probably not likely. But there's a reason why G&C reacted to the mention of the pool ladder that evening in the kitchen with Tracy.

[summer]

I just read on blinkedy blink that ABC was paying (allegedly) for Casey's lunches when she was at Baez's office all day every day. What's up with that???

[desmom]

I want to know who he's on the phone with.

I want to know why there is no audio.

It looks like this was a favorite dumping ground. There appears to be a car fender, an old patio umbrella, lots of odd end patio pavers/blocks....

IIRC, DC told a FL reporter he was about 150' away from where Caylee was found. Sorry JB.

jmo

[Imperfect4]

I just read on blinkedy blink that ABC was paying (allegedly) for Casey's lunches when she was at Baez's office all day every day. What's up with that???

I knew I heard Tracy say something to that effect -- that the OC and her attorney were getting lunch brought in, paid for by media outlets.

That creature and her clown of a lawyer were being courted by the networks, that's what's up with that. :cursing:

[denjet]

heh heh heh. let's see - too old for a cougar. iirc, she turned the BIG 5-0 not too long ago.

up here, if guys go looking for women her age, they call it "geri-trolling". :laugh:
:lol: I've got to remember that one!

[cassidy]

How about if Casey told them the truth (or they guessed it) in the hours between Cindy finding her at Tony's and her arrest -- and while they were putting up their bogus MySpace page together, they were simultaneously constructing a story involving an accident in the pool? Perhaps one that Cindy liked better than Casey's Zanny fairy tale ... or perhaps one they might use to fall back on if LE continued to disbelieve Casey's Zanny fairy tale? Perhaps they were still in the process of constructing their story when Casey was arrested, and since she didn't have the full new-and-improved lie to tell, she reverted back to her Zanny lie?

I know this is confusing and probably not likely. But there's a reason why G&C reacted to the mention of the pool ladder that evening in the kitchen with Tracy.

I agree with you on the ladder thingy. There is something strange connected to that ladder or they wouldn't all be dancing around it. But I'm not buying an accidental death in any way shape or form. As I said above, it's gotten to involved for that to be the case.
JMO

[Rapunzel]

I just read on blinkedy blink that ABC was paying (allegedly) for Casey's lunches when she was at Baez's office all day every day. What's up with that???

Yep, I heard it too!!!

[desmom]

You know this is killing me not being able to listen to the tapes. I am just getting bits and pieces. Can you elabrate on the shovel and if Casey went into detail about the witness statments..

My post re the shovel: http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13438146&highlight=shovel#post13438146

Imperfect4's post re the shovel: http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13438903&highlight=shovel#post13438903

[jakee]

[/B]


I heard that too.....Hi Jakee!!!!

isn't it nice to all be together again? yay dump days!

:smile: HI!

I love doc dump days. Just heard Tracy say Jose brought Casey a 20/20 video on the Aisenberg case. To coach her how to act?

[msgatorslayer]

And if she drowned, why the need for the very rare duct tape?

It is odd that Cindy and George did not want the ladder in the pool to be talked about.

I am listening to Tracy, the whole thing about how Casey brought up chloroform before any of that info came out is odd too. I think I heard that correctly.

Why would they not want it to be discussed if they wanted their audience to think it was an accident? It is odd.

In their twisted minds, maybe they think [ladder=intentional] instead of accident. I don't know.

[Rapunzel]

Hope Jessie has a good attorney...although...looks like recently it may be TonE.

[bchand]

:smile: HI!

I love doc dump days. Just heard Tracy say Jose brought Casey a 20/20 video on the Aisenberg case. To coach her how to act?

If he told her to act like that, he REALLY is a bad lawyer. Most people think they were guilty just by the way they acted.

[msgatorslayer]

:smile: HI!

I love doc dump days. Just heard Tracy say Jose brought Casey a 20/20 video on the Aisenberg case. To coach her how to act?

What a lovely example for Baez to give to her. :rolleyes:

[jakee]

If he told her to act like that, he REALLY is a bad lawyer. Most people think they were guilty just by the way they acted.

Maybe how not to act. lol Maybe that is what Tracy meant.

[desmom]

Casey Anthony cared more about clothes than Caylee, witness says
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/09/casey-anthony-she-cared-more-about-clothes-than-caylee-witness-says.html

[anon-o-miss]

Does anyone remember a song by Seven Dust? Tracy said Casey said the song was in her head the whole time she was in jail, it describes her life and she just couldn't get it out of her head. Tracy said they listened to like 13 times in a row one day. Cindy said something the song describes her life and Casey said that is my song. Cindy started crying and Casey said "I guess you don't want to hear it again."

Erase the past again, I hope it doesn't scream my name, I am up I am down like a roller coaster are some of the lyrics.

Anyone remember this from past posts? TIA
Yes the lyrics are very creepy when you put them into context with this case and who couldn't get the song out their head. There's a link to the lyrics on the links page
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=352149&page=7

[jakee]

I want to know who he's on the phone with.

Are we ever going to find out? It really isn't that hard to just let us know is it? :laugh:

[msgatorslayer]

Maybe how not to act. lol Maybe that is what Tracy meant.

I wonder if this was before or after she was caught on camera high fiving Lee.

[Imperfect4]

If he told her to act like that, he REALLY is a bad lawyer. Most people think they were guilty just by the way they acted.

I think Tracy's impression was Jose was trying to point out to Casey how her demeanor could create a public firestorm against her, using the Aisenbergs as a perfect example of how it can happen.

One of the problems with Tracy's interview is she was drawing conclusions about what was happening throughout her time with Casey. Example: Jose brings the 20/20 segment to Casey to watch, and Tracy makes assumptions about his motives for doing so. Tracy's assumptions aren't helpful to LE. I'm not sure much of her statement will be helpful, except as it goes to Casey's entirely unconcerned, self-absorbed demeanor while out on bail. But we've already got plenty examples of Casey's unconcerned demeanor in the 31 days Caylee was "missing."

[TisMeAgain]

He's either involved, or he's a certifiable putz.

Lies about ordering the pizzas. Is rude to Tracy. Slobbers on his wrist and wails "CMA" at the Cindyfest. Wears tube socks. Refuses a polygraph. Plays junior detective. Talks about how clever he and his family are. Etc.

First class a$$. MallyBu! must also be a piece of work.

SPEW! LOLOL! This just cracked me up! I know...I'm behind. I had to go take a shower andget something done! I'm listening to Rob Dick right now. He's a good witness :thumbsup:

[jakee]

Why would they not want it to be discussed if they wanted their audience to think it was an accident? It is odd.

In their twisted minds, maybe they think [ladder=intentional] instead of accident. I don't know.

I don't know either. At first I was thinking maybe Casey hit Caylee in the head with the shovel on purpose or accident, while she was digging bamboo. But then I came to my senses and remembered Casey wouldn't never have been doing physical labor and helping family out with the bamboo. She couldn't even muster up the energy to dig a grave for her baby. Just threw her away.

They all have some twisted minds for sure.

[KittyMom]

I knew I heard Tracy say something to that effect -- that the OC and her attorney were getting lunch brought in, paid for by media outlets.

That creature and her clown of a lawyer were being courted by the networks, that's what's up with that. :cursing:

Well, I feel stupid. I thought she was say "abc was bringing in lunch" like she meant "so-and-so was bringing in lunch". I didn't realize she meant ABC the company.

[ttcRider]

Casey Anthony cared more about clothes than Caylee, witness says
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/09/casey-anthony-she-cared-more-about-clothes-than-caylee-witness-says.html

I laughed at the comment by Casey Van Der Sloot. (sp?) below that page.

[anon-o-miss]

Tracy said the first morning she was there, she woke up to George screaming loud enough you could have heard him across the street - "quit your ******* lying, don't ****** lie to me, I am not putting up with your ****." Casey said, "No, no You have to believe me, don't treat me like a scumbag cop. You act like my father. You act like my father instead of a cop."

Cindy called for Jim to come out there and said they can't act like that. Casey told George he had to leave.

Is this when George left? 1:23 on the clock http://www.wftv.com/video/17257635/index.html
I'd bet it is Desmom great find. :thumbsup:

[anon-o-miss]

I understand but, I really think Tracy was just blown away with Casey's behavior.

ITA!!! It sounded as if she still couldn't believ how bizzare the whole situation was/is. She also mentions quite a few times how just stupid the things Casey said were. I think she never in a million years will forget her time in the twilight zone. To me her laugh sounded like when someone laughs and says what are you talking about?

[Lynn Gweeny]

Prime News Producers are combing through hours of new audio and video recordings in the Casey Anthony case. So far... a look inside her home while she was out on bond and a gripping testimony from Leonard Padilla. He joins us for an exclusive interview. Will this new evidence be a blow to the defense?

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Prime-News/93710322266?ref=nf

[aproudmom]

Hours Of Interviews Released In Casey Case
http://www.wftv.com/news/20723700/detail.html

Audio: Lenny Padilla
http://www.wftv.com/video/20724903/index.html

Audio: Tracy McLaughlin
http://www.wftv.com/video/20726607/index.html

Audio: Robert Dick
http://www.wftv.com/video/20726987/index.html

Caylee Pics: Photos Released September 4, 2009
http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/20727408/detail.html

Audio: Cindy Anthony Speaks with Cmdr. Matt Irwin
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Meeting%20Matt%20Cindy.WMA

OMG des thanks so much for all the links :wub: guess I got some homework..hope all is well have not been on for awhile..

[crimeq]

YIKES! It's hard to listen to Tracey McLaughlin. She has that same speech mannerism going on that Lee does, talking through disjointed laughing. :scared:

[Lavinia]

Listening to Tracy about when KC got home...about how great KC thought jail was and they were bringing her food, doing things for her and they all loved her...good...glad she likes it...cause she is going to spend the rest of her life in a place like that...actually worse...prison is much worse then the jail she is...

That's for sure. Ain't no one but her girl, going to be sneaking her any extra food. (Anyone notice a preoccupation with Casey and food or is it just me? (And MY preoccupation with food. (Said it before you could, lol.))

[Rapunzel]

YIKES! It's hard to listen to Tracey McLaughlin. She has that same speech mannerism going on that Lee does, talking through disjointed laughing. :scared:


I thought the same thing...but easier then listening to Cindy

[Lavinia]

Man, I've never heard people talk so much and say so little as the A's. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. :rolleyes:

[TunaMelt]

I want to know why there is no audio.

It looks like this was a favorite dumping ground. There appears to be a car fender, an old patio umbrella, lots of odd end patio pavers/blocks....

IIRC, DC told a FL reporter he was about 150' away from where Caylee was found. Sorry JB.

jmo

Do you think there is audio to the tape and we're not being given it -- we just get the video?

has this been asked or is it a ridiculous question, i hope its not, but i'm way behind.................

[Imperfect4]

Tracy said the first morning she was there, she woke up to George screaming loud enough you could have heard him across the street - "quit your ******* lying, don't ****** lie to me, I am not putting up with your ****." Casey said, "No, no You have to believe me, don't treat me like a scumbag cop. You act like my father. You act like my father instead of a cop."

Cindy called for Jim to come out there and said they can't act like that. Casey told George he had to leave.

Is this when George left? 1:23 on the clock http://www.wftv.com/video/17257635/index.html

I think George took that walk the first afternoon she was home, desmom. I suspect he was up in Casey's face pretty quick after she got home. The screaming took place the following morning. Not sure whether George actually left the house then.

[Deannalynn]

I think Tracy's impression was Jose was trying to point out to Casey how her demeanor could create a public firestorm against her, using the Aisenbergs as a perfect example of how it can happen.

One of the problems with Tracy's interview is she was drawing conclusions about what was happening throughout her time with Casey. Example: Jose brings the 20/20 segment to Casey to watch, and Tracy makes assumptions about his motives for doing so. Tracy's assumptions aren't helpful to LE. I'm not sure much of her statement will be helpful, except as it goes to Casey's entirely unconcerned, self-absorbed demeanor while out on bail. But we've already got plenty examples of Casey's unconcerned demeanor in the 31 days Caylee was "missing."

ITA...
Tracy assumes a lot when she's explaining body language or a word here and there.
This issue with Saw grass apartments when Casey was watching the news and she said they have it all wrong and Tracy says to Casey, well, first it was saw grass then you switched over to the park story. (Something in those words) And then something about Universal studios.
Then she elaborates and says Casey could have meant Zanny gave her a script to follow and to take the cops on a wild goose chase:rolleyes:

What I need to say is Tracy (IMO) doesn't have anything to really contribute on behalf of the State except that Casey's demeanor for the whole time she spent with her was uneventful and carefree and not concerned about anything but Casey.
I think Casey mentioned Caylee once and that's when she picked up a picture of her in the bedroom dresser and said, "That's my little Italian."
The moment Tracy asked her a little about the father Casey jumped right in there and started talking about Casey and Casey's birthdays and what Casey did and where Casey went.
Casey is so into Casey she even competes with her own mother Cindy.
The song they listened to 13 times and Cindy said that song reminds me of me and whats happening. Casey again jumped in and said, "that song is my song."
Based on everything I listened to Casey didn't start all this me, me, me, after Caylee was born. I think it was all Casey from the time she was a babe. It was Caylee's birth and forward when she really went dingy...
JMO

[anon-o-miss]

Leonard talked about a birthday card, allegedly given to Caylee by Jesse Grund. He said he thought the card was "creepy," that it sounded (para) like a card you'd send to an adult woman, not a child.

Okay. Baez is the one who got the card and gave it to Leonard to see, and Baez told him it was from Jesse. We don't know for a fact it was from Jesse.

I think it might have been from the ONLY adult man we've heard who talked about Caylee in an odd way, a too mature way, like a lover, and that would be LEE. :scared: with that creepy "CMA, CMA, CMA"


I betcha it was Lee who gave that card to Caylee. Jesse wouldn't think that that, doesn't think like that, but we know that Lee does.

:thumbdown:

I wonder where that birthday card is now?
I think the card is being misconstrued... People tend to forget that even though Jesse was proven not to be Caylee's biological father, he acted as her father for quite a long time. Casey still saw Jesse so I'm sure he was still around Caylee. If people don't look at it as a card from a moms boyfriend to her daughter, and instead look at it as a card from a father (figure) to a child, it would most likely seem less seedy.

[summer]

Does anyone think Strickland listens to these tapes or has a law clerk provide transcriptions? (I hope I hope).

I just love the *scumbag cop* references out of Casey's mouth. Like she's some kind of mobster.

[TunaMelt]

I wonder if this was before or after she was caught on camera high fiving Lee.

Bingo!

I will never forget that god-awful HIGH FIVE.

I never had any doubts about either of them after I saw that.

One of the most telling moments in the case.

:thumbdown::thumbup:

[Imperfect4]

Well, I feel stupid. I thought she was say "abc was bringing in lunch" like she meant "so-and-so was bringing in lunch". I didn't realize she meant ABC the company.

No need to feel stupid. She clipped over that part quickly trying to make her main point.

I think it's despicable the networks would be sending food in to that piece of trash while she's hiding out at Baez's offices. I'd love to know just exactly what media deals have been cut, and with whom.

[really3997]

Listening to Tracy about when KC got home...about how great KC thought jail was and they were bringing her food, doing things for her and they all loved her...good...glad she likes it...cause she is going to spend the rest of her life in a place like that...actually worse...prison is much worse then the jail she is...

OMG. wacko wacko...thats all I can say.

[Imperfect4]

Bingo!

I will never forget that god-awful HIGH FIVE.

I never had any doubts about either of them after I saw that.

One of the most telling moments in the case.

:thumbdown::thumbup:

ITA. A "pivotal" moment, as they say.

[Imperfect4]

Does anyone think Strickland listens to these tapes or has a law clerk provide transcriptions? (I hope I hope).

I just love the *scumbag cop* references out of Casey's mouth. Like she's some kind of mobster.

IIRC, he had to listen to them in order to make his decision about whether to release them. I believe I recall Linda D-B telling him at the hearing that Lenny's, alone, was around 3 hours.

[really3997]

Well I least I know why the A's are traveling. can't fake the distraught GP anymore. thank you guys for all the posts at least I have an idea of what was dropped today.

[summer]

No need to feel stupid. She clipped over that part quickly trying to make her main point.

I think it's despicable the networks would be sending food in to that piece of trash while she's hiding out at Baez's offices. I'd love to know just exactly what media deals have been cut, and with whom.

Ditto. Who could imagine a TV network catering lunches for a suspected baby murderer? What reputable business entity would do that? Bottom feeders.

Good think I never watch ABC or I'd have to boycott. I'm completely disgusted with them.

[anon-o-miss]

Anyone else think Cindy popped a cork this morning when she saw the Cindy Anthony Speaks with Cmdr. Matt Irwin at http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/9/4/new_casey_anthony_evidence.html ?

I bet Cindy did not know she was being taped. :tonguewag:
:seeya: Me I do!!! I do!!! Didn't a poster from that area say they had a bunch of cars over there last week? Maybe they were getting a preview of what was to come. Or trying to strategize. Sadly she probably thinks everything she said on that tape was reasonable and well thought out. *Sigh* Just when I think there's a moment for them to see the error of their ways I remember how narcissistic they are and it takes all the wind out my sails.

[ruth66]

I think the card is being misconstrued... People tend to forget that even though Jesse was proven not to be Caylee's biological father, he acted as her father for quite a long time. Casey still saw Jesse so I'm sure he was still around Caylee. If people don't look at it as a card from a moms boyfriend to her daughter, and instead look at it as a card from a father (figure) to a child, it would most likely seem less seedy.

ITA, I think the card is being taken out of context. I have always called my son (from birth) "my little man". The real issue is that Jesse ever thought Casey was a "woman". She is far from a woman, she is a spoiled little brat at best.... JMO of course :sneaky:

[summer]

I blame the system for letting them get away with those blatently abused law office visits. Yeah, she's allowed reasonable amount of time with her attorney but they abused their constitutional rights in a very IN YOUR FACE manner. It could've been stopped with a little bit of investigation, IMO.

[aproudmom]

ITA!!! It sounded as if she still couldn't believ how bizzare the whole situation was/is. She also mentions quite a few times how just stupid the things Casey said were. I think she never in a million years will forget her time in the twilight zone. To me her laugh sounded like when someone laughs and says what are you talking about?

when she left there she did not want anything to do with the case and did not even want to talk about it to LP I remember him saying she was very stressed or something like that...

[Scampi]

Lenny Padilla will be on with Mike Galanos, HLN on CNN.


:thumbsup:

[summer]

IIRC, he had to listen to them in order to make his decision about whether to release them. I believe I recall Linda D-B telling him at the hearing that Lenny's, alone, was around 3 hours.

Oh Good. Thank you.

[Imperfect4]

ITA...
Tracy assumes a lot when she's explaining body language or a word here and there.
This issue with Saw grass apartments when Casey was watching the news and she said they have it all wrong and Tracy says to Casey, well, first it was saw grass then you switched over to the park story. (Something in those words) And then something about Universal studios.
Then she elaborates and says Casey could have meant Zanny gave her a script to follow and to take the cops on a wild goose chase:rolleyes:

What I need to say is Tracy (IMO) doesn't have anything to really contribute on behalf of the State except that Casey's demeanor for the whole time she spent with her was uneventful and carefree and not concerned about anything but Casey.
I think Casey mentioned Caylee once and that's when she picked up a picture of her in the bedroom dresser and said, "That's my little Italian."
The moment Tracy asked her a little about the father Casey jumped right in there and started talking about Casey and Casey's birthdays and what Casey did and where Casey went.
Casey is so into Casey she even competes with her own mother Cindy.
The song they listened to 13 times and Cindy said that song reminds me of me and whats happening. Casey again jumped in and said, "that song is my song."
Based on everything I listened to Casey didn't start all this me, me, me, after Caylee was born. I think it was all Casey from the time she was a babe. It was Caylee's birth and forward when she really went dingy...
JMO

I can't imagine conversations between Cindy and Casey, both of them talking incessantly about only THEMSELVES.

Here they are in a room together, listening to a song, and discussing how it effects THEM, while their 2 year-old is missing. I have NEVER IN MY LIFE witnessed such self-absorbed, histrionic, narcissistic, EVIL behavior. Never. Caylee never had a chance. Never.

[jakee]

Does the tracy tape just end abruptly? Is there a part 2?

[summer]

:seeya: Me I do!!! I do!!! Didn't a poster from that area say they had a bunch of cars over there last week? Maybe they were getting a preview of what was to come. Or trying to strategize. Sadly she probably thinks everything she said on that tape was reasonable and well thought out. *Sigh* Just when I think there's a moment for them to see the error of their ways I remember how narcissistic they are and it takes all the wind out my sails.

HA HA, bet you're right on the money!

[TunaMelt]

I think the card is being misconstrued... People tend to forget that even though Jesse was proven not to be Caylee's biological father, he acted as her father for quite a long time. Casey still saw Jesse so I'm sure he was still around Caylee. If people don't look at it as a card from a moms boyfriend to her daughter, and instead look at it as a card from a father (figure) to a child, it would most likely seem less seedy.

Hi!

I wish I could understand what you mean -- because an adult card to a little girl (age 2 I think) from her father figure, no matter if he's married to the mother or not -- an adult kind of card, where it sounds as though the giver is talking to a lover -- that's awful. And that is seedy.

Don't you think so?

It's as seedy as Tube Socks drooling over his wrist and burbling CMA CMA CMA and presumably talking about Caylee (since it was her memorial service).

What am I not getting about this, because I do have a great big problem with Lee and I think he's guilty of lots including sending his toddler niece an inappropriate card.

And I don't think Jesse would -- I think he'd know an inappropriate card when he read one, and he would think it would be creepy to send a 2 year old a card like that.
:confused:
:confused:

But again: i don't think clearly if I think Tube Socks is involved.

[TisMeAgain]

YIKES! It's hard to listen to Tracey McLaughlin. She has that same speech mannerism going on that Lee does, talking through disjointed laughing. :scared:

That's what I thought!

[really3997]

Casey also joked about raising defense money by autographing photos or going on the radio with Howard Stern, but said he'd want to know her lingerie sizes and whether she and Baez were having sex.

I love out of all the Media wanting her story she wants to go on Howard Stern...:cursing:

[aproudmom]

ITA, I think the card is being taken out of context. I have always called my son (from birth) "my little man". The real issue is that Jesse ever thought Casey was a "woman". She is far from a woman, she is a spoiled little brat at best.... JMO of course :sneaky:

he still after finding out wanted to marry her and raise Caylee as his own child they had bonded..love the little man that is so cute ruth my boys are 13 and 19 and I call my oldest my little miracle for showing me I had to leave a abusive relationship and my other son is my little baby he hates it but he will always be my little baby boy

[Imperfect4]

I blame the system for letting them get away with those blatently abused law office visits. Yeah, she's allowed reasonable amount of time with her attorney but they abused their constitutional rights in a very IN YOUR FACE manner. It could've been stopped with a little bit of investigation, IMO.

ITA. And now we learn she was planning out her wardrobe and accessories for her media-filled trips back and forth to Baez's office every day. Not that I didn't already know that.

And how about her wearing eye makeup for when she and Rob played the "sunglass game?" And she gets *hit up* by some dude on MySpace and lets out a noise so loud Tracy heard it in the next room.

Skank. Wish the trial was tomorrow.

[Imperfect4]

Does the tracy tape just end abruptly? Is there a part 2?

Yes it does, and no part 2 that I've seen. :huh:

[ruth66]

he still after finding out wanted to marry her and raise Caylee as his own child they had bonded..love the little man that is so cute ruth my boys are 13 and 19 and I call my oldest my little miracle for showing me I had to leave a abusive relationship and my other son is my little baby he hates it but he will always be my little baby boy

My "little man" is now going to be 13 and he just gives me that little sweet smile when I call him that. Some say that we teach our children but I truely believe our children can teach us alot. Kudos to your son.

I believe that Jessie Grund loved Caylee like the Anthonys should have loved Caylee. That poor child never had a chance.

[jakee]

Yes it does, and no part 2 that I've seen. :huh:

Thanks, and darn. I want a part 2!

[aproudmom]

Bingo!

I will never forget that god-awful HIGH FIVE.

I never had any doubts about either of them after I saw that.

One of the most telling moments in the case.

:thumbdown::thumbup:

sorry had to:wink: LP will be on HLN
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_KKuG0mhN6fQ/SMas5yfj_-I/AAAAAAAAAZM/OKHYkoeMhgc/s400/caseyhighfive.jpg

[summer]

ITA. And now we learn she was planning out her wardrobe and accessories for her media-filled trips back and forth to Baez's office every day. Not that I didn't already know that.

And how about her wearing eye makeup for when she and Rob played the "sunglass game?" And she gets *hit up* by some dude on MySpace and lets out a noise so loud Tracy heard it in the next room.

Skank. Wish the trial was tomorrow.

And as I recall there was a court order that she could not use a computer. I remember the official who was asked on the stand (at an early hearing) if she'd ever seen a perp spend that much time at an attorney's office and the woman said "never". But somehow it wasn't challenged and nothing changed.

This family got away with so much right from the start. And now that we hear these interviews, especially Cindy's with the Commander, we have to know LE had their number almost immediately. Grrrr...

[summer]

Gotta say at this point I'll only be half-satisfied when Casey is convicted. I need to see the whole family in jail. That's true justice for Caylee.

All they ever needed to do was spend a few bucks each week for a competent babysitter, but they were too cheap... plus they wouldn't be famous today, would they?

Dead grand babies are so lucrative!

[bchand]

ITA. And now we learn she was planning out her wardrobe and accessories for her media-filled trips back and forth to Baez's office every day. Not that I didn't already know that.

And how about her wearing eye makeup for when she and Rob played the "sunglass game?" And she gets *hit up* by some dude on MySpace and lets out a noise so loud Tracy heard it in the next room.

Skank. Wish the trial was tomorrow.


Skank is right. I had my pupils dilated at the eye dr today so I haven't had the chance to read back but 2 things got my attention in Tracy's audio so far:

1. Jose is now officially a liar. Casey did NOT say, as she was leaving jail, "I want to leave here with my head held high." She said "get me the F out of here."

2. One day George was escorting someone out of Jose's office IIRC under an umbrella with a white towel over her face. At that time, a few of us wondered if that was even her. It was NOT her. It was Tracy. She said it was all a game to Casey. Apparently george was in on the game.

At that time, she was under strict orders to be home at a certain time. If that was Tracy, where was Casey?

(Still listening.)

[TisMeAgain]

Gotta say at this point I'll only be half-satisfied when Casey is convicted. I need to see the whole family in jail. That's true justice for Caylee.

All they ever needed to do was spend a few bucks each week for a competent babysitter, but they were too cheap... plus they wouldn't be famous today, would they?

Dead grand babies are so lucrative!

That is what I've been saying all day!

[Scampi]

ITA. And now we learn she was planning out her wardrobe and accessories for her media-filled trips back and forth to Baez's office every day. Not that I didn't already know that.

And how about her wearing eye makeup for when she and Rob played the "sunglass game?" And she gets *hit up* by some dude on MySpace and lets out a noise so loud Tracy heard it in the next room.

(respectfully snipped)


All of the above goes directly to casey anthony's state of mind, during the time Caylee was presumed "missing." No jury is going to look kindly on what she was doing and how she was acting.

This female is going down, imo.

[Deannalynn]

Allegedly Zaneida held Casey down at the park, handed her a list and told her that is what she was suppose to tell the cops for the next 30 days.
Casey didn't even follow the invisible Zanny's instructions. She said for the next 30 days. Casey went 31 days before she was caught onto and it was Cindy who had to call them.:sneaky:

Mistrial, huh..Tracy said Casey must have said that was what she was expecting at least 3 times while Tracy was in the house with her.
Must have come from Baez.

[cassidy]

Skank is right. I had my pupils dilated at the eye dr today so I haven't had the chance to read back but 2 things got my attention in Tracy's audio so far:

1. Jose is now officially a liar. Casey did NOT say, as she was leaving jail, "I want to leave here with my head held high." She said "get me the F out of here."

2. One day George was escorting someone out of Jose's office IIRC under an umbrella with a white towel over her face. At that time, a few of us wondered if that was even her. It was NOT her. It was Tracy. She said it was all a game to Casey. Apparently george was in on the game.

At that time, she was under strict orders to be home at a certain time. If that was Tracy, where was Casey?

(Still listening.)

1. I think we all figured she didn't say that.

2. WOW! I didn't know that. But it doesn't surprise me .\

[anon-o-miss]

Hi!

I wish I could understand what you mean -- because an adult card to a little girl (age 2 I think) from her father figure, no matter if he's married to the mother or not -- an adult kind of card, where it sounds as though the giver is talking to a lover -- that's awful. And that is seedy.

Don't you think so?

It's as seedy as Tube Socks drooling over his wrist and burbling CMA CMA CMA and presumably talking about Caylee (since it was her memorial service).

What am I not getting about this, because I do have a great big problem with Lee and I think he's guilty of lots including sending his toddler niece an inappropriate card.

And I don't think Jesse would -- I think he'd know an inappropriate card when he read one, and he would think it would be creepy to send a 2 year old a card like that.
:confused:
:confused:

But again: i don't think clearly if I think Tube Socks is involved.

It was a card from jesse and I don't think it was an adult card.. I think it was a loving note inside that JB and the Anthony's want to turn into something creepy.

[martha]

Oh my I have missed everything today. house work sure gets in the way of my time on the computer. Maybe I can read tonight and get what all went on on the tapes. I hope ng covers it but I think her shows or prerecorded. I know you have all read all of it. will it help put casey in prison forever? jmho:wub:

[msgatorslayer]

Just coming back after getting dinner done.

CW has the 'weekend thread' up, but not open, yet.

[aproudmom]

My "little man" is now going to be 13 and he just gives me that little sweet smile when I call him that. Some say that we teach our children but I truely believe our children can teach us alot. Kudos to your son.

I believe that Jessie Grund loved Caylee like the Anthonys should have loved Caylee. That poor child never had a chance.

OMG we are on the same page I say that all the time about the boys..thanks for sharing my babys are my world and that makes it even harder ti understand why someone would do this to their child they are pure gifts from GOD...I still have the emails from Jessie Grund's father he is on myspace he told me they loved that little girl and there will always be the What If and if only caylee had been Jessie's he is a very sweet gentlemen always emails back and never bashes on them just talks about how hard it has been....

[cassidy]

Allegedly Zaneida held Casey down at the park, handed her a list and told her that is what she was suppose to tell the cops for the next 30 days.Casey didn't even follow the invisible Zanny's instructions. She said for the next 30 days. Casey went 31 days before she was caught onto and it was Cindy who had to call them.:sneaky:

Mistrial, huh..Tracy said Casey must have said that was what she was expecting at least 3 times while Tracy was in the house with her.
Must have come from Baez.

She didn't even talk to the cops. So the script is out the door IMO

[Kathlb]

That is what I've been saying all day!

Super damaging information that I've heard so far. Especially from Tracy. It really points out the coldness going on in that family according to all I've read and heard. Amazing, and it begs the question if all of them are the same and it's genetic. I think so in my mind; these are people I cannot understand no matter how much I read or hear. In my mind, that baby never had a chance. And like someone said before, they don't even know it or can't see why the public hates them so much, they think they are doing a great job. The only thing that gives me comfort is to know that Caylee is in God's hands now. MOO

[anon-o-miss]

ITA. And now we learn she was planning out her wardrobe and accessories for her media-filled trips back and forth to Baez's office every day. Not that I didn't already know that.

And how about her wearing eye makeup for when she and Rob played the "sunglass game?" And she gets *hit up* by some dude on MySpace and lets out a noise so loud Tracy heard it in the next room.

Skank. Wish the trial was tomorrow.
The best part is that I would bet money Rob didn't even know they were playing a sunglass game.:lol:

[msgatorslayer]

Super damaging information that I've heard so far. Especially from Tracy. It really points out the coldness going on in that family according to all I've read and heard. Amazing, and it begs the question if all of them are the same and it's genetic. I think so in my mind; these are people I cannot understand no matter how much I read or hear. In my mind, that baby never had a chance. And like someone said before, they don't even know it or can't see why the public hates them so much, they think they are doing a great job. The only thing that gives me comfort is to know that Caylee is in God's hands now. MOO

This is Cindy's form of 'unconditional love'.

She apparently thinks that if she accepts what her Daugher did, that means she doesn't love her. It's twisted!!

[cassidy]

The best part is that I would bet money Rob didn't even know they were playing a sunglass game.:lol:

LOL Probably not :)

[msgatorslayer]

The best part is that I would bet money Rob didn't even know they were playing a sunglass game.:lol:

ICK! And with the fugly white ones bought with stolen funds, no doubt.

[bchand]

Just coming back after getting dinner done.

CW has the 'weekend thread' up, but not open, yet.

Thanks Msgatorslayer. I usually watch out for stragglers once this thread is locked. New posters don't quite understand it all yet.

[TunaMelt]

sorry had to- LP will be on HLN
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_KKuG0mhN6fQ/SMas5yfj_-I/AAAAAAAAAZM/OKHYkoeMhgc/s400/caseyhighfive.jpg

You're bad! :wink:

But gee, I mean there it is.

There's the win for the prosecution, right there.
:thumbup:

I can't stand that picture, but I'm so glad it was taken, it's the "I rest my case" photograph.

I just love those little moments of unbridled truth wherein the perps forget they're on camera, don't you?
:w00t:

[MorningGlory]

Allegedly Zaneida held Casey down at the park, handed her a list and told her that is what she was suppose to tell the cops for the next 30 days.Casey didn't even follow the invisible Zanny's instructions. She said for the next 30 days. Casey went 31 days before she was caught onto and it was Cindy who had to call them.:sneaky:

Mistrial, huh..Tracy said Casey must have said that was what she was expecting at least 3 times while Tracy was in the house with her.
Must have come from Baez.

(bolding mine) And just where is that list? Surely the OC will have kept that safe since it was so important that she follow the instructions for each day, and of course it is evidence that could prove her story and exonerate her. Wow - maybe this is what Jose was referring to when he said it would all be clear at trial. :tonguewag: yeah, right.

[aproudmom]

Is Rob Dick the guy that Cindy fell all over, hugging him, in Blanchard Park after the search?

Remember that? She was just hanging all over some guy, and I need to be reminded if that was Rob Dick??

Thanks!

yes it was...he was nice looking to IMO :biggrin:

[cassidy]

:shrug:(bolding mine) And just where is that list? Surely the OC will have kept that safe since it was so important that she follow the instructions for each day, and of course it is evidence that could prove her story and exonerate her. Wow - maybe this is what Jose was referring to when he said it would all be clear at trial. :tonguewag: yeah, right.

Invisible nanny. Invisible list.

[ish]

I wonder if Cindy is home listening to her lunch date with Matt Irwin, she's probably thinking "why didn't he pick a quieter place, I can hardly hear myself!" she'll follow up tomorrow with a call to Yuri's boss about her zipdrive and lanyard that are still missing!!!

[msgatorslayer]

(bolding mine) And just where is that list? Surely the OC will have kept that safe since it was so important that she follow the instructions for each day, and of course it is evidence that could prove her story and exonerate her. Wow - maybe this is what Jose was referring to when he said it would all be clear at trial. :tonguewag: yeah, right.

Jesse or TonE took it. Maybe they did it together.:wink:

[aproudmom]

You're bad! :wink:

But gee, I mean there it is.

There's the win for the prosecution, right there.
:thumbup:

I can't stand that picture, but I'm so glad it was taken, it's the "I rest my case" photograph.

I just love those little moments of unbridled truth wherein the perps forget they're on camera, don't you?


:laugh: I am sure it will be their last high fives..and wearing Caylee shirts makes it even sicker IMO...

[cassidy]

Jesse or TonE took it. Maybe they did it together.:wink:

Besides, I thought the script specifically told Casey NOT to contact the police?

[msgatorslayer]

I wonder if Cindy is home listening to her lunch date with Matt Irwin, she's probably thinking "why didn't he pick a quieter place, I can hardly hear myself!" she'll follow up tomorrow with a call to Yuri's boss about her zipdrive and lanyard that are still missing!!!

Did anyone even figure out her point? I just heard a bunch of rambling. Sounded like she was discussing some missing office equipment. Not her missing grand daughter.

[MorningGlory]

sorry had to:wink: LP will be on HLN
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_KKuG0mhN6fQ/SMas5yfj_-I/AAAAAAAAAZM/OKHYkoeMhgc/s400/caseyhighfive.jpg

When in the time line was that picture taken?
I've heard about it but missed it when it came out.
Thanks.

[summer4meplz]

Yes it does, and no part 2 that I've seen. :huh:

I heard the end....they said they reserve the right (maybe not those exact words) to recontact her if necessary and her lawyer said that would be fine....

cindy's ended abruptly with me and i couldn't get past the 2nd minute with rob....haven't started on lenny yet....cindy's gave me a headache...the audio was torturous....

[jakee]

It was a card from jesse and I don't think it was an adult card.. I think it was a loving note inside that JB and the Anthony's want to turn into something creepy.

I agree with you. :sad: I feel so bad for Jesse and anyone that was friends with Casey.

[ruth66]

I wonder if Cindy is home listening to her lunch date with Matt Irwin, she's probably thinking "why didn't he pick a quieter place, I can hardly hear myself!" she'll follow up tomorrow with a call to Yuri's boss about her zipdrive and lanyard that are still missing!!!

She is probably already up the chain of command with complaints against Cmdr Matt Irwin. I am sure she did not get the reaction and response from him she was looking for. Afterall, she did complain to the FBI about Yuri and LE. No shame, no shame. JMO

[anon-o-miss]

Did anyone even figure out her point? I just heard a bunch of rambling. Sounded like she was discussing some missing office equipment. Not her missing grand daughter.

Yeah, her point was blah, blah, blah, stop picking on Casey, blah, blah, blah, if you're mean to me I won't help you find my grandaughter. And a few more blah, blah, blahs for emphasis.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

TY TY desmon for all the links..I am still on Tracy's audio...Isnt it amazing what we heard from her is exactumundo what most posters believed...Cindy and George in Smoke Screen Mode..and Casey is BS mode..Man..Casey is so self absorbed she has absolutely no idea about anyone elses feelings..Talk about "Lack of Insight" or "Lack of Empathy"...She has no feelings regarding Caylee...

Now, that is just incomprehensible..she gave birth to this child..yet had NO CONNECTION.....Poor Caylee..she likely never felt any love from her very own mom..Thankfully she died young enough never having to reconcile the HURT..Caylee is indeed with the "Angels" now...maybe confused at first..but is now in the loving arms of "Celestials"..

As for Cindy and George...I find it really hard to swallow what they have done..and they will have to deal with that when all the evidence comes out..I have no respect for them as people..nor parents...and I wont evening mention their "Grandparent" title...Its not a wonder George felt Suicidal...Good thing he didnt..as he would have to face that ultimate JUDGE!!

Casey is "Rotten" to the Core...She deserves to be forced to live with herself forever more..Have no "Creature Comforts"..NONE!!

What bites me the most is Jose's constant BS that he has spewed from the beginning...I am exhausted..listening to all this..to know all what she (Tracy) is talking to all that happend 4 months before Caylee was found!!

LMS:sneaky:

BTW..Why did Casey never mention Zanny the Nanny???? Curious

[summer4meplz]

The best part is that I would bet money Rob didn't even know they were playing a sunglass game.:lol:

casey is so socially inappropriate....the sunglass game....wanting to twinky up with her bondswoman.....everyone in jail loving her and sneaking her food.....i truly think she has the emotional development of a 2 year old....the entire world revolves around her.....

[Leo's Mom]

IIRC, George has a birthday coming up. Tomorrow? Wonder how they will celebrate.

Back to reading.

[seeing_eye]

Maybe.

I'm very suspicious of their involvement, and I wasn't up until now.

That little shovel exchange took place the day Casey was bailed out of jail the first time. Seems to me either the Anthony family spent time together before she was arrested (during the hours between her *capture* by Cindy on July 15th and her subsequent arrest) trying to pull a story together they would all tell, or Ma and Pa Anthony were around and in close proximity to Caylee's *terminal event* in mid-June.

I'm very suspicious. :mad:

You know, I truly believe C & G knew shortly after the 911 calls that Caylee was dead, but I don't believe they knew what happened. I think, for a while, they actually thought it was possible Caylee had accidentally drowned in the pool. They were already in cover-up mode depite not knowing the exact details. And that's why they were cautioning Casey not to talk about the pool ladder. Casey, of course, was not concerned since she knew the pool ladder had nothing to do with it.

BTW, I do think C & G now know more precisely many of the details of the actual "terminal event," but they're not going to admit it.

[jakee]

Did anyone even figure out her point? I just heard a bunch of rambling. Sounded like she was discussing some missing office equipment. Not her missing grand daughter.

There was one point in her lunch date interview where it was sad. I think it was at the very end and Cindy said the picture of Caylee was her favorite picture she took of her, and never would she have thought she would have to use that picture for something like this. It was sad, if I heard correctly. Other than that, it was rambling and complaining. :smile: I don't even know if I made sense.

[anon-o-miss]

casey is so socially inappropriate....the sunglass game....wanting to twinky up with her bondswoman.....everyone in jail loving her and sneaking her food.....i truly think she has the emotional development of a 2 year old....the entire world revolves around her.....

I couldn't agree with you more.:thumbup:

[aproudmom]

sorry guys promise going to do my homework later but this letter from JG is it in the docs or just in a interview...TIA..SORRY to ask

[cherish]

sorry had to:wink: LP will be on HLN
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_KKuG0mhN6fQ/SMas5yfj_-I/AAAAAAAAAZM/OKHYkoeMhgc/s400/caseyhighfive.jpg

Did Casey and Lee pick out their outfits together?

[Lavinia]

And as I recall there was a court order that she could not use a computer. I remember the official who was asked on the stand (at an early hearing) if she'd ever seen a perp spend that much time at an attorney's office and the woman said "never". But somehow it wasn't challenged and nothing changed.

This family got away with so much right from the start. And now that we hear these interviews, especially Cindy's with the Commander, we have to know LE had their number almost immediately. Grrrr...

I recall there being a ban on the computer also, because when she was emailing Dakota, we thought, "Ha! Now they can rescind your bail!" And they didn't. :glare:

[anon-o-miss]

sorry guys promise going to do my homework later but this letter from JG is it in the docs or just in a interview...TIA..SORRY to ask
It's a card and I don't believe it's in the docs. It's been referenced to by LP, JB I believe, and Cindy iIrc.

[Deannalynn]

Super damaging information that I've heard so far. Especially from Tracy. It really points out the coldness going on in that family according to all I've read and heard. Amazing, and it begs the question if all of them are the same and it's genetic. I think so in my mind; these are people I cannot understand no matter how much I read or hear. In my mind, that baby never had a chance. And like someone said before, they don't even know it or can't see why the public hates them so much, they think they are doing a great job. The only thing that gives me comfort is to know that Caylee is in God's hands now. MOO

ITA..
It appears to me that when Casey was a babe and Cindy played Mommy the only thing she knew how to do with Casey is hand her all the material things she could think of.
Cindy did the same with Caylee and perhaps it was all good with Casey because that's the way she was brought up. Never having to answer to anyone, never having to be responsible for herself and never having to work for anything because it was always handed to her. She probably never took the trash out once in her life or even made her bed for that matter.
Then one day Cindy realized Casey was a total loser for a daughter and made her go out and get a job (once she quit school) Casey wouldn't have it. She certainly didn't keep her jobs very long.
All the friends Casey had were working but Casey didn't know how to work, make her own money and support herself, let alone her own daughter. Casey just expected Mom and dad to provide for Caylee just like she was provided for. Another thing I think is when all the goods were coming Caylee's way, Casey resented it in a big way because Mom and Dad were no longer doing anything for her. (except put a roof over her head and let her drive the car)
Casey was child like even after she was out of school at the age of 18. But, she was playing grown up with her travels in and out of the boys beds.
I caught that when I was listening to Tracy's interview with the FBI.
The minute Casey was released from Jail and walked in the house it was "Casey's HOME." Take down the flag at 1/2 mass. All she wanted to do is get into the shower and TELL them what she wanted for dinner. Cindy sure did prepare it, too. Casey immediately thought she was a celebrity in her own mothers mind.
It was probably the most attention she had got since Caylee was brought home from the hospital.

[bchand]

When in the time line was that picture taken?
I've heard about it but missed it when it came out.
Thanks.

It was reported on Sept 8th, 2008. She was out on bail but had to report in.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/09/a-high-five-in.html

[MorningGlory]

It was reported on Sept 8th, 2008. She was out on bail but had to report in.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/09/a-high-five-in.html

Thanks for that link, bchand! I don't know how I missed that originally. What a couple of wingnuts.

[cassidy]

I recall there being a ban on the computer also, because when she was emailing Dakota, we thought, "Ha! Now they can rescind your bail!" And they didn't. :glare:


Yep Casey got a whole lot of breaks from the Orlando justice system. Extra hours with Jose, unauthorized time on the computer, George's gun incident. Any one of which could have sent her back to jail, but didn't.

:shrug:

[bchand]

Thanks for that link, bchand! I don't know how I missed that originally. What a couple of wingnuts.

Odd family aren't they?

[ish]

Did anyone even figure out her point? I just heard a bunch of rambling. Sounded like she was discussing some missing office equipment. Not her missing grand daughter.

Did she have a missing grand daughter? I know she was missing a zip drive... and a lanyard.:rolleyes:

[Lavinia]

You know, I truly believe C & G knew shortly after the 911 calls that Caylee was dead, but I don't believe they knew what happened. I think, for a while, they actually thought it was possible Caylee had accidentally drowned in the pool. They were already in cover-up mode depite not knowing the exact details. And that's why they were cautioning Casey not to talk about the pool ladder. Casey, of course, was not concerned since she knew the pool ladder had nothing to do with it.

BTW, I do think C & G now know more precisely many of the details of the actual "terminal event," but they're not going to admit it.

I completely agree with you seeing eye. I think that's exactly what happened, and you will NEVER convince me they don't know now. Ergo, the lack of a call for justice to Caylee's MURDERER. :cursing:

[bchand]

Does the tracy tape just end abruptly? Is there a part 2?

jakee, mine finished completely. They said it was the end.


I haven't started Rob's yet. Anyone? Is it worth listening to?

[Lavinia]

Yep Casey got a whole lot of breaks from the Orlando justice system. Extra hours with Jose, unauthorized time on the computer, George's gun incident. Any one of which could have sent her back to jail, but didn't.

:shrug:

I'm going to give LE the benefit of the doubt on this though because I think they have done a fantastic job, so far, and maybe they were hoping she would take them to Caylee or otherwise foul up while she was out and they just wanted to provide more rope that she could hang herself with. I'm solidly on Team LE on this gig. :thumbsup:

[Lavinia]

Did she have a missing grand daughter? I know she was missing a zip drive... and a lanyard.:rolleyes:

There's that damned lanyard again. Something spooky about that thing, IMO.

[denjet]

I blame the system for letting them get away with those blatently abused law office visits. Yeah, she's allowed reasonable amount of time with her attorney but they abused their constitutional rights in a very IN YOUR FACE manner. It could've been stopped with a little bit of investigation, IMO.

ITA! Special treatment once again! So let me get this straight, if you're on home confinement for the disappearance of your 2 year old and lying to the authorities, it's OK to spend excessive hours during the day in your lawyers office, have the media cater food to you, a laptop, the internet .... WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE ... and why can't Baez be held accountable ??? This whole family and their lawyers need to be taken down!

[KittyMom]

OMgosh...I can't listen to Cindy anymore. She just ordered lunch and I'll never be able to eat supper if I listen to her drone on and on around bites of food.

Those poor LE guys. It breaks my heart to think of the torture they endured for months having to play "friends" with the A's. Those guys deserve a metal. :patriot:

[cassidy]

I'm going to give LE the benefit of the doubt on this though because I think they have done a fantastic job, so far, and maybe they were hoping she would take them to Caylee or otherwise foul up while she was out and they just wanted to provide more rope that she could hang herself with. I'm solidly on Team LE on this gig. :thumbsup:


Ack, don't get me wrong, I think LE has done a fine job with this case. Just saying that for some reason she got some breaks and there quite possibly were reasons she did.

JMO

[KittyMom]

There's that damned lanyard again. Something spooky about that thing, IMO.

I remember Lee saying that he'd stepped out to the carport at one time but the stink drove him back inside. I just wonder what the middle finger had in his pockets when he went back inside???? :sneaky:

[Lavinia]

OMgosh...I can't listen to Cindy anymore. She just ordered lunch and I'll never be able to eat supper if I listen to her drone on and on around bites of food.

Those poor LE guys. It breaks my heart to think of the torture they endured for months having to play "friends" with the A's. Those guys deserve a metal. :patriot:

I couldn't finish Cindy's tape. Kudos to those who did. Your disability check is in the mail. :wink:

[jakee]

jakee, mine finished completely. They said it was the end.


I haven't started Rob's yet. Anyone? Is it worth listening to?

Well crap, mine just ended. Maybe it was the station I watched it from.

I haven't watched Rob's yet and was wondering the same thing, if it was worth it.

[Lavinia]

Ack, don't get me wrong, I think LE has done a fine job with this case. Just saying that for some reason she got some breaks and there quite possibly were reasons she did.

JMO

Oh I know you weren't dissing LE, Cass! I didn't mean that you were! I just wanted to clarify that I wasn't. I'm sorry. I'm sure 99.9% of us are FIRMLY on LE's side on this and think they did a fine job!

[denjet]

There's that damned lanyard again. Something spooky about that thing, IMO.
Hi Lavinia!
IIRC the lanyard had KC's old Universal ID on it ... "proof" of her employment or that she was using it to fool people into thinking she was still working there !! That's why Cindy didn't want LE to have it or the flash drive which Cindy was afraid had incriminating stuff on it ... I still think Lee took care of erasing stuff from the laptop and Cindy was trying to tie up loose ends ... just like Cindy grabbing the credit cards and money out of KC's wallet, going thru the car and cleaning it and clothes ... she went into coverup mode the minute they picked up that car, including going back to work like nothing happened. She's a piece of work and needs to be behind bars too!

[Lavinia]

I remember Lee saying that he'd stepped out to the carport at one time but the stink drove him back inside. I just wonder what the middle finger had in his pockets when he went back inside???? :sneaky:

No kidding. And I don't for one minute, think they had Casey under such scrutiny that she couldn't skedaddle out there for a second. BS!

[bchand]

Well crap, mine just ended. Maybe it was the station I watched it from.

I haven't watched Rob's yet and was wondering the same thing, if it was worth it.

I can't get past about a minute into Robs. It just stops.

Found this over at the site Tracy called "losers".

http://www.filedropper.com/robdpt1

http://www.filedropper.com/robdpt2

Part 1 and 2 of Rob's audio. Click download now, type in the letters you see and it will download to your computer.

[msgatorslayer]

I couldn't finish Cindy's tape. Kudos to those who did. Your disability check is in the mail. :wink:

:lol: ROTFLMAO

I tried, I really tried. I even lasted longer than I normally do listening to her, but just, oh heck, it gave me a headache.

[aproudmom]

omg this gets harder and harder WHY:crying:
I commend all of you who have not took a break I have 3 times now since day 31 but there is not 1 day I do not think of that little angel..
to hear them talking about a humane skull found and saying I told you so I told you..

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/

[cassidy]

:lol: ROTFLMAO

I tried, I really tried. I even lasted longer than I normally do listening to her, but just, oh heck, it gave me a headache.

OH my, me too. She babbles and I just couldn't do it. Plus I was getting a lot of interference. I did get the message that Yuri isn't her favorite guy though :) Lucky Yuri!

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Ack, don't get me wrong, I think LE has done a fine job with this case. Just saying that for some reason she got some breaks and there quite possibly were reasons she did.

JMO

You know..I think initially LE felt Cindy was really out to find Caylee and seek justice..and the fact George being former LE...They gave them much latitude..However..after months of spins, Media Blitz interviews..they realized these people were not on the same page at all...What a mistake..but would anyone ever have second guessed that?..After all it was Cindy who call the cops to begin with..and turned in Casey...Who Would Have Thunk..these people would be so manipulative????

Initially we all believed Cindy.but within a week the true colours showed..and it is now with all the happenings and proof..we truly see the sad story!!

Blame Lenny all you want..but he was actually trying to find Caylee..something the "Family" never really wanted...as has been shown in what I have heard...

I want to hear those taped interviews of the PI's...geesh!!

LMS

[Lavinia]

Hi Lavinia!
IIRC the lanyard had KC's old Universal ID on it ... "proof" of her employment or that she was using it to fool people into thinking she was still working there !! That's why Cindy didn't want LE to have it or the flash drive which Cindy was afraid had incriminating stuff on it ... I still think Lee took care of erasing stuff from the laptop and Cindy was trying to tie up loose ends ... just like Cindy grabbing the credit cards and money out of KC's wallet, going thru the car and cleaning it and clothes ... she went into coverup mode the minute they picked up that car, including going back to work like nothing happened. She's a piece of work and needs to be behind bars too!

That, or someone knew it may have been used as something to strangle a baby with. (Although I think she probably used the tape and maybe a pillow. I feel *sure* she used something to put over her face while she was killing her so she (Casey) wouldn't see Caylee's face.))

[aproudmom]

It's a card and I don't believe it's in the docs. It's been referenced to by LP, JB I believe, and Cindy iIrc.

ok thought maybe it came out today I am trying to listen to CA not sure if I can handle to much of her..:angry:

[msgatorslayer]

Hi Lavinia!
IIRC the lanyard had KC's old Universal ID on it ... "proof" of her employment or that she was using it to fool people into thinking she was still working there !! That's why Cindy didn't want LE to have it or the flash drive which Cindy was afraid had incriminating stuff on it ... I still think Lee took care of erasing stuff from the laptop and Cindy was trying to tie up loose ends ... just like Cindy grabbing the credit cards and money out of KC's wallet, going thru the car and cleaning it and clothes ... she went into coverup mode the minute they picked up that car, including going back to work like nothing happened. She's a piece of work and needs to be behind bars too!

Let me see if I'm following you.

The lanyard had Casey's 'work' stuff on it, so says Cindy. She also says that it is missing, along with the zipdrive. But you don't think it's really missing? That Cindy doesn't want LE to have it?

Cause we all know Casey wasn't working, lol

[Imperfect4]

I heard the end....they said they reserve the right (maybe not those exact words) to recontact her if necessary and her lawyer said that would be fine....

cindy's ended abruptly with me and i couldn't get past the 2nd minute with rob....haven't started on lenny yet....cindy's gave me a headache...the audio was torturous....

I listened to Tracy's (til it cut off). I won't be able to stomach Cindy's. Was thinking about Rob next, but maybe not if you couldn't get into it.

Guess I'll listen to Leonard next. In stages. :laugh:

[Lavinia]

I listened to Tracy's (til it cut off). I won't be able to stomach Cindy's. Was thinking about Rob next, but maybe not if you couldn't get into it.

Guess I'll listen to Leonard next. In stages. :laugh:

Baby steps, lol, baby steps. Don't strain anything. (I listened to a little of Lenny first and I kept getting interrupted, so I restarted on Tracy. That little giggling hag called us losers, and that woke me up, lol. :cursing:)

ETA: Technically, she called WS'ers losers so I won't send her a dead fish yet.

[Imperfect4]

You know, I truly believe C & G knew shortly after the 911 calls that Caylee was dead, but I don't believe they knew what happened. I think, for a while, they actually thought it was possible Caylee had accidentally drowned in the pool. They were already in cover-up mode depite not knowing the exact details. And that's why they were cautioning Casey not to talk about the pool ladder. Casey, of course, was not concerned since she knew the pool ladder had nothing to do with it.

BTW, I do think C & G now know more precisely many of the details of the actual "terminal event," but they're not going to admit it.

You could be quite right.

It makes me want to barf to think that family closed ranks so quickly around their lying, thieving, murdering felon, just as quickly forsaking their defenseless 2 year-old granddaughter.

They would be ecstatic to see an acquittal so she could be out on the street again, jumping into bed with random men and making more babies who would have no more chance at a decent life than Caylee had.

Pure evil, that bunch.

[denjet]

Let me see if I'm following you.

The lanyard had Casey's 'work' stuff on it, so says Cindy. She also says that it is missing, along with the zipdrive. But you don't think it's really missing? That Cindy doesn't want LE to have it?

Cause we all know Casey wasn't working, lol
Hi msgator! Hard to say with the mind games and lies Cindy tells ... but she seemed very concerned about it as she did about anything else that makes KC (or her) look bad ...:shrug:

[sydney]

ITA..
It appears to me that when Casey was a babe and Cindy played Mommy the only thing she knew how to do with Casey is hand her all the material things she could think of.


(snipped by me - hey, cass!)

that's like giving your kind candy to shut them up every time they cry. all it does it make the poor kid fat and doesn't teach them a thing!

i kinda have a hard time thinking they all knew BEFOREhand and kept the stories straight. goodness knows, for example, in the statements to le, cindy said they talked about the invisi-nanny at least 3 years before this happened, george said 1 year and lee said he never head of the invisi-nanny until july 15th, iirc.

[msgatorslayer]

OH my, me too. She babbles and I just couldn't do it. Plus I was getting a lot of interference. I did get the message that Yuri isn't her favorite guy though :) Lucky Yuri!

Cindy's clips should come with a WARNING

Yeah, she makes it very clear that Yuri is not her detective of the year. The tape is much clearer at the beginning and she's doing alot of tattling on Yuri. Bad cop! Bad cop!!:sleep:

[*Serenity*]

Were the other 1,000 or so pages released yet?
I have reviewed all the tapes and new pics of Caylee, but nothing about the other evidence.

Anyone know?

Thanks in advance if you do.

:)

[ish]

That, or someone knew it may have been used as something to strangle a baby with. (Although I think she probably used the tape and maybe a pillow. I feel *sure* she used something to put over her face while she was killing her so she (Casey) wouldn't see Caylee's face.))

I think Cindy has fixated on this lanyard and it's missing status (if it is missing) as a way to deflect attention from the real crux of the situation. Maybe she thinks if she can place some mysterious importance on the lanyard being missing it would veer the investigation away from Casey. I just don't think an old ID from Universal on a crappy shamrock lanyard could have any importance, unless it was found with Caylee's remains.

[sydney]

You could be quite right.

It makes me want to barf to think that family closed ranks so quickly around their lying, thieving, murdering felon, just as quickly forsaking their defenseless 2 year-old granddaughter.

They would be ecstatic to see an acquittal so she could be out on the street again, jumping into bed with random men and making more babies who would have no more chance at a decent life than Caylee had.

Pure evil, that bunch.

i wonder, with cindy being a nurse and all, why didn't she have the "birds and bees" talk with kc? birth control would have been simple to get, after all - kc was an adult, no questions had to be asked.

[Lavinia]

So I'm guessing The Howard Stern Show was too classy to call Casey? :lol:

[frances1]

Had to go out for a while, so just finished listening to Cindy. She called this 'lunch meeting', because at one point while still in the restaurant, she said "When I asked you to go to lunch, I didn't mean for you to pay for lunch", then laughed. Her whole intent, IMO, was to try to manipulate this 'Matt', and to 'tattle' on Yuri and John, who she felt were being mean to her. She was never able to do it, though. HA! I don't think she knew at that time she was being recorded.

[Lavinia]

i wonder, with cindy being a nurse and all, why didn't she have the "birds and beasts" talk with kc? birth control would have been simple to get, after all - kc was an adult, no questions had to be asked.

She didn't need it because she wasn't having sex, Syd. :rolleyes: Cindy said so.

[msgatorslayer]

Hi msgator! Hard to say with the mind games and lies Cindy tells ... but she seemed very concerned about it as she did about anything else that makes KC (or her) look bad ...:shrug:

ITA, everything with Cindy is the 'grey area'. Hard to figure out what she means. But what you said makes sense. I couldn't get very far listening to her so I'm in the dark about most of it.

[ish]

Cindy's clips should come with a WARNING

Yeah, she makes it very clear that Yuri is not her detective of the year. The tape is much clearer at the beginning and she's doing alot of tattling on Yuri. Bad cop! Bad cop!!:sleep:

Anyone want to give Yuri a call and ask if he gives a darn what Cindy thinks?

:wink:

[cassidy]

i wonder, with cindy being a nurse and all, why didn't she have the "birds and bees" talk with kc? birth control would have been simple to get, after all - kc was an adult, no questions had to be asked.

Silly you! Why would Cindy have to have that talk with Casey? Casey simply didn't have sex, so no need.

:biggrinjester:

[Lavinia]

Were the other 1,000 or so pages released yet?
I have reviewed all the tapes and new pics of Caylee, but nothing about the other evidence.

Anyone know?

Thanks in advance if you do.

:)

Wish I could help you Serenity, but I haven't been here like I thought I would be today. I just don't know what's out yet.

[cassidy]

Anyone want to give Yuri a call and ask if he gives a darn what Cindy thinks?

:wink:


Betcha I know the answer to that :)