9/4 Part II After Doc Dump

[*Serenity*]

Wish I could help you Serenity, but I haven't been here like I thought I would be today. I just don't know what's out yet.

Thank you Lavinia...!

I was here because I needed to chill out from 'real' life and regroup.


I am so glad I never had to deal with any of the Anthony family in my life... !! I would hate to even be a check out clerk at a store for them, or a waiter, or the Realtor, or banker, or anything at all that would require any type of contact with them. And yes... even the newspaper boy or mail-man/woman.

[sydney]

someone help me here - in one of the jailhouse tapes, i SWEAR i saw cindy and george wearing caylee shirts saying "fly away home" with a butterlfy on them. am i recalling correctly? if so, i assume this occurred before caylee was found.

does anyone think the "fly away home" slogan is kinda creepy and indicative of knowing caylee was dead?

tia, kind folks.

[cassidy]

I wonder if the State will ask Lee what the high five was all about when they have him up there testifying. (prolly not):rolleyes:

Why bother, he'll just lie.

[Lavinia]

Okay, I need to ask, and Miz Lavinia, it's you I'm askin:

what the hay's a lanyard anyhow?

I've looked them up, but I still don't see the difference between a lanyard and a necklace -- or a lavalier.

so, if you please, or if anyone please, please tell me: What's a lanyard? The thing Cindy keeps on yammering about?

TIA
:smile:

It's the long, (usually woven nylon these days), necklace type thing that many employers and schools require you to wear with your ID on it. My kids have to wear them at their schools and I used to have to wear one for work.

[Imperfect4]

Okay, me and my eXtremely foul mood are heading for the shower.

Maybe while I'm away the rest of the evil hand family will be arrested and I'll return to the board to about the best bombshell ever. :thumbsup:

:cursing: :cursing:

[Lavinia]

someone help me here - in one of the jailhouse tapes, i SWEAR i saw cindy and george wearing caylee shirts saying "fly away home" with a butterlfy on them. am i recalling correctly? if so, i assume this occurred before caylee was found.

does anyone think the "fly away home" slogan is kinda creepy and indicative of knowing caylee was dead?

tia, kind folks.

You saw it Syd. Many of us spoke about the imagery that that slogan and a butterfly imparts but they did it, sure enough. :rolleyes:

[Lavinia]

Okay, me and my eXtremely foul mood are heading for the shower.

Maybe while I'm away the rest of the evil hand family will be arrested and I'll return to the board to about the best bombshell ever. :thumbsup:

:cursing: <stole a curse>

Wash that girl right out of your hair, Imp.:laugh:

[sydney]

You saw it Syd. Many of us spoke about the imagery that that slogan and a butterfly imparts but they did it, sure enough. :rolleyes:

see? that's what i get for skipping school and not borrowing anyone else's notes!

thanks, lavinia.

[*Serenity*]

Someone has transcribed alot of Robs over at the site that Tracy hates.

Casey wanted Rob and Co. to "get something on Kiomarie"... she was her best friend but Casey didn't even like her. What?


Yea... I read everything over there as well. What I find ironic about Tracy not liking that site is that Tony goes there and spews a lot
himself. His last ride in over there seemed strange to me-- wanting to get the news out there about the document he signed and NO copy.
Then the mere mention of him writing a book. Oh please... what would write a book about for the short time he was there? Oh wait.. he thought Casey was a nice girl and cooked him dinner. puke puke and more puke.

lol

[denjet]

I couldn't finish Cindy's tape. Kudos to those who did. Your disability check is in the mail. :wink:
I hear ya, I couldn't either ... her total disregard and disdain for anyone who she can't manipulate and twist with her lies and deceit for her own purpose and total disregard for ANY authority, legal or otherwise is too much for me to swallow! barf

I will wait to enjoy watching her testify at the trial!!:wink:

[onlykaty]

I also think, while listening to Tracy's interview, that casey is all the way certifiably insane and george and cindy know that.....

I was thinking the same thing, wow, I can't beleive she fooled so many people,(like her friends), maybe thats why she didn't keep them long. Its much worse than I expected. :ohmy:

[denjet]

You could be quite right.

It makes me want to barf to think that family closed ranks so quickly around their lying, thieving, murdering felon, just as quickly forsaking their defenseless 2 year-old granddaughter.

They would be ecstatic to see an acquittal so she could be out on the street again, jumping into bed with random men and making more babies who would have no more chance at a decent life than Caylee had.

Pure evil, that bunch.
I couldn't have said it better ... KC isn't the only Anthony that should be taken out of society and put behind bars. The more we find out, the more clear it becomes that the Ants have been lying and deceiving "from day one"

[Lavinia]

I listened to some of the interview with Cindy until I just couldn't stand it anymore. There was so much background noise that it gave me a headache... or maybe that was the sound of Cindy's voice. :sad: Is it worth it to go back and try again? Anyone?

Then I listened to 95 minutes of the ol' Lennster until my brain was ready to shrivel up and fall out of my ear. :scared: And I still have a headache.

Someone remind me not to get too excited about the next doc dump. They're hard work.


What I do on some of these dumps is, I get really down and dirty for about an hour, then I start checking here periodically for the next hour to see where other people guide me according to what they find interesting, then I just sit here and see what everyone else has to say and figure I'll get all the high points just sitting on my loser FLB bottom.

[ish]

I listened to some of the interview with Cindy until I just couldn't stand it anymore. There was so much background noise that it gave me a headache... or maybe that was the sound of Cindy's voice. :sad: Is it worth it to go back and try again? Anyone?

Then I listened to 95 minutes of the ol' Lennster until my brain was ready to shrivel up and fall out of my ear. :scared: And I still have a headache.

Someone remind me not to get too excited about the next doc dump. They're hard work.

If that was your reaction to Cindy, please give a thought to poor Matt Irwin, trapped in a restaurant, watching and listening to Cindy's mouth chewing and talking, talking and chewing, and talking, talking, talking and talking.....Like one of those cartoons "wawa, wawa, wawa,wawa"

[msgatorslayer]

It's the long, (usually woven nylon these days), necklace type thing that many employers and schools require you to wear with your ID on it. My kids have to wear them at their schools and I used to have to wear one for work.

Right! A fancy name for a rope and clip, lol.

I had to look it up earlier as I had no idea what it meant.:tongueside:

[cassidy]

If that was your reaction to Cindy, please give a thought to poor Matt Irwin, trapped in a restaurant, watching and listening to Cindy's mouth chewing and talking, talking and chewing, and talking, talking, talking and talking.....Like one of those cartoons "wawa, wawa, wawa,wawa"

maybe he tuned her out. After all he had the tape player going. Just let her drone on and on and on.

[cherish]

My memory has issues today,

Who was it that said, they heard Casey say "they haven't even found her clothes yet"

Does anyone remember where I heard this?

[denjet]

So I'm guessing The Howard Stern Show was too classy to call Casey? :lol:

Now stop that! :lol:
I heard Jerry Springer turned down the Ants!! :tonguewag:

[AnniePie]

Leonard talked about a birthday card, allegedly given to Caylee by Jesse Grund. He said he thought the card was "creepy," that it sounded (para) like a card you'd send to an adult woman, not a child.

Okay. Baez is the one who got the card and gave it to Leonard to see, and Baez told him it was from Jesse. We don't know for a fact it was from Jesse.

I think it might have been from the ONLY adult man we've heard who talked about Caylee in an odd way, a too mature way, like a lover, and that would be LEE. :scared: with that creepy "CMA, CMA, CMA"


I betcha it was Lee who gave that card to Caylee. Jesse wouldn't think that that, doesn't think like that, but we know that Lee does.

:thumbdown:

I wonder where that birthday card is now?

Ohhhhhh yeah, TM! Good thinking.

[sydney]

What I do on some of these dumps is, I get really down and dirty for about an hour, then I start checking here periodically for the next hour to see where other people guide me according to what they find interesting, then I just sit here and see what everyone else has to say and figure I'll get all the high points just sitting on my loser FLB bottom.

me, too. except i must say, we all are NOT lazy!

[denjet]

My memory has issues today,

Who was it that said, they heard Casey say "they haven't even found her clothes yet"

Does anyone remember where I heard this?
Tracy said that, and Rob Dick repeated what Tracy told him ...

[AnniePie]

He's either involved, or he's a certifiable putz.

Lies about ordering the pizzas. Is rude to Tracy. Slobbers on his wrist and wails "CMA" at the Cindyfest. Wears tube socks. Refuses a polygraph. Plays junior detective. Talks about how clever he and his family are. Etc.

First class a$$. MallyBu! must also be a piece of work.

LOL You forgot about his Star Wars obsession and his license plate. :w00t:

[101Spots]

Is it just me, or did LE ask Rob and Lenny lots of questions about Jose?

"Did Jose ever ask you to ____?"

"Was Jose there?"

"What did Jose do about that?"



PS Loved LE's comment. After Lenny made a comment about how this "wasn't my first rodeo," LE asked him if this was Jose's first rodeo. Lenny said yes. <snort>

[bchand]

(snipped by me)

hey, bc - so when did the "it was pizza" or "it was garbage" story come out? why didn't kc say it THEN? didn't she know there was rotten garbage in the trunk?

I don't know sydney. Doncha just hate it when you lend a friend your car keys and they leave stuff in your trunk like pizza and garbage and dead bodies?

[AnniePie]

you HAD to bring up the tube socks... I'm gonna get fired today, I've already been told to 'keep it down'. :lol:

Please tell me about Lee's tube socks. I guess I missed that little tidbit of info. And I'm just so darned interested in every little thing about that guy! Gag me with a shovel...

[ish]

What I do on some of these dumps is, I get really down and dirty for about an hour, then I start checking here periodically for the next hour to see where other people guide me according to what they find interesting, then I just sit here and see what everyone else has to say and figure I'll get all the high points just sitting on my loser FLB bottom.

I call that "Cliff Notes for FLBs" I feel guilty sometimes though, taking advantage of a co-FLB who took one for the team by listening to it all.
Let's raise a toast to those with more moxie than us!!:beer:

[Lavinia]

Was Casey telling Tracy that her family is Irish and Romanian? So is the Gypsy blood on George's or Cindy's side?

[sydney]

In order to believe "The Magical Mystical Anthony Story", Casey was just experiencing the second in mankind history "Immaculate Conception" that day at the wedding! With her stylish knotting of her sweater right under her flowing breastises - (we know she incoporates sytlish knots if at all possible, remember her "Huntin for Caylee" shirt knots) and remember even out-of-town guests who didn't even know her were like, "who's the pregnant chick?" And then The Parents lauded her with a huge BABY shower thrown less than 2 months later by Cindy and the whole fam damily was invited! Dear God, how do you decide what to buy as a gift - or outfit to rock at THAT little shindig! (I swear I would have brought Frankincense and myrr.)

Can you imagine Cindy's brother's face when Cindy told him, "she's NOT pregnant! She hasn't even had SEX yet!" WHAAAAAAAAAAA? I do not know how he kept from blowing back her bobble hair with the GUFFAW he had to have let out! She says she wonders why her family doesn't believe her or suppotr her in all this, oh yeah, right. OH, COME ON, Cindy! That 2 episodes ALONE were like a tasty movie trailer meant to entice the masses in for the next Grand Installment before the BIG Hollywood Premier! :scared:

i would just love to hear what cindy's mom had to say about cindy as a child! shirley said she didn't want to prosecute kc because of all that cindy has gone thru, right? wonder how far back this dysfunction went - did she excuse cindy's "pranks" as well? hmmmmm - inquiring minds want to know.

[ish]

I don't know sydney. Doncha just hate it when you lend a friend your car keys and they leave stuff in your trunk like pizza and garbage and dead bodies?

Chloroform and hair with death bands also!!

[Lavinia]

I call that "Cliff Notes for FLBs" I feel guilty sometimes though, taking advantage of a co-FLB who took one for the team by listening to it all.
Let's raise a toast to those with more moxie than us!!:beer:

Here, here! :beer: (I put my time in on some, but not all. Can't do the Cindy tapes for sure.) A special toast to Desmom! :beer:

[5boxersmom]

Was Casey telling Tracy that her family is Irish and Romanian? So is the Gypsy blood on George's or Cindy's side?

I thought they were Italian. :confused:

[sydney]

I don't know sydney. Doncha just hate it when you lend a friend your car keys and they leave stuff in your trunk like pizza and garbage and dead bodies?

yeah. last person that did that to me had to pay for the cleaning bill! and it took a LOT MORE than febreeze! you can bet they never did THAT again!

[bchand]

Yea... I read everything over there as well. What I find ironic about Tracy not liking that site is that Tony goes there and spews a lot
himself. His last ride in over there seemed strange to me-- wanting to get the news out there about the document he signed and NO copy.
Then the mere mention of him writing a book. Oh please... what would write a book about for the short time he was there? Oh wait.. he thought Casey was a nice girl and cooked him dinner. puke puke and more puke.

lol

You're right Serenity but Tracy also says that Casey is "likeable".

She goes on to say she doesn't have a grasp on reality, etc. etc. and she would not stop talking about "nothing" but she was likeable?

[cassidy]

I thought they were Italian. :confused:

I thought she said italian too??

[ish]

Was Casey telling Tracy that her family is Irish and Romanian? So is the Gypsy blood on George's or Cindy's side?

Oh, the travelors,:sneaky: we have them around here, always scamming the elderly out of money. At least the Anthony's target everyone not just the elderly.

[bchand]

Was Casey telling Tracy that her family is Irish and Romanian? So is the Gypsy blood on George's or Cindy's side?

lolol

Yes she was because Tracy asked her that question. (After Casey referred to Caylee as "her little Italian".)

[sydney]

You're right Serenity but Tracy also says that Casey is "likeable".

She goes on to say she doesn't have a grasp on reality, etc. etc. and she would not stop talking about "nothing" but she was likeable?

didn't they say the same thing about ted bundy and jeffery macdonald, to name two? iirc, most sociopaths are likeable.

[summer4meplz]

I Just can't beleive Casey would sit in jail for one second if Caylee drowned accidently in the pool. My only take on it is that by this time G and C was already thinking Casey had done something to Caylee. The cover up was starting then just in case, it was to close for comfort. Maybe Caylee drowning had already crossed their minds.

Casey imo would cover up nothing for her parents if she could she would take them down with her..jmo

I'm still listening to Tracey's video and yes her laughing is quite annoying. Just wanted to comment on the pool thing.

I agree that Caylee did not drown in the pool with george and cindy's knowledge......I am leaning toward casey dragging Caylee outta there and george and cindy are feeling a lot of guilt for letting them go....

I didn't like tracy's constant laughing either.....but I loved her "inside info"

[Lavinia]

Well, it appears BOTH sides have the TRAMPS and THIEVES - so, GYPSY is probably not out of the question on either side, Lavinia!

It's no secret that the gypsies have suffered from poor PR in the past, they don't need Casey's "help".

[ish]

Well, it appears BOTH sides have the TRAMPS and THIEVES - so, GYPSY is probably not out of the question on either side, Lavinia!

Casey got a double dose Tramp and Thief!!

[sydney]

Oh, the travelors,:sneaky: we have them around here, always scamming the elderly out of money. At least the Anthony's target everyone not just the elderly.

hey, ish - last i heard, travelers were equal-opportunity-scam-artists.

[Katprint]

Was Casey telling Tracy that her family is Irish and Romanian? So is the Gypsy blood on George's or Cindy's side?
Implying that gypsies behave like the Anthonys is a dastardly slight on all people of gypsy/Rom heritage.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Lavinia]

JVM is going to have a story on Casey tonight. (JVM is being quieter tonight?)

[summer4meplz]

I call that "Cliff Notes for FLBs" I feel guilty sometimes though, taking advantage of a co-FLB who took one for the team by listening to it all.
Let's raise a toast to those with more moxie than us!!:beer:



salud :beer:

[Barbara fl.]

Was Casey telling Tracy that her family is Irish and Romanian? So is the Gypsy blood on George's or Cindy's side?



They are both Italian....Casey lied about everypart of her life...

[ish]

I agree that Caylee did not drown in the pool with george and cindy's knowledge......I am leaning toward casey dragging Caylee outta there and george and cindy are feeling a lot of guilt for letting them go....

I didn't like tracy's constant laughing either.....but I loved her "inside info"

I got the impression this wasn't Tracy's usual gig and she was totally gobsmacked by the clan known as the Anthony's. I think she was expecting at least an attempt by Casey or someone in the family to act as if they wanted to know what happened to Caylee.

[Lavinia]

Implying that gypsies behave like the Anthonys is a dastardly slight on all people of gypsy/Rom heritage.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

No, I'm pitying them that she is claiming the heritage. Along with the Irish and humans in general. I just never heard the Romany angle before.

[denjet]

LOL You forgot about his Star Wars obsession and his license plate. :w00t:
Hi Annie! :lol: Second laugh of the day!! I still can't get past Imp's tube socks!!

[5boxersmom]

No, I'm pitying them that she is claiming the heritage. Along with the Irish and humans in general. I just never heard the Romany angle before.

Well, I always said the whole family reminds me of Grifters/Irish Travelers. :laugh:

jmo

[Lavinia]

I thought they were Italian. :confused:

I did, too. (I did wonder where the Irish fascination came from though.)

[cassidy]

I got the impression this wasn't Tracy's usual gig and she was totally gobsmacked by the clan known as the Anthony's. I think she was expecting at least an attempt by Casey or someone in the family to act as if they wanted to know what happened to Caylee.

Actually, it must have been very uncomfortable for Tracy. She went into the situation thinking Caylee had been kidnapped. what she found inside the home was a total lack of concern for Caylee and her whereabouts. Casey was center stage. It probably threw her for a loop!

[ish]

They are both Italian....Casey lied about everypart of her life...

Is nothing sacred with this biotch!! Lying about her heritage to cast a black mark on the poor persecuted gypsies! :biggrin:

[summer4meplz]

I did, too. (I did wonder where the Irish fascination came from though.)

maybe cuz casey's birthday is close to st. patrick's day?:confused:

[jakee]

I thought they were Italian. :confused:

I did too, but apparently now Caylee's father is Italian. :huh:

OT a bit, Which lawyer coined the term "terminal event" when it came to Caylee's murder. I cannot remember who said it.

[sydney]

No, I'm pitying them that she is claiming the heritage. Along with the Irish and humans in general. I just never heard the Romany angle before.

awww, kc's just jealous! how much more romantic does it sound to say you're from a country that isn't as talked about as italy or germany or ireland? my grandparents were from romania. many is the time i heard my grandfather call my grandmother his "little gypsy". even if she WAS one of "us", she still wouldn't be one of "us" if you know what i mean...

[ish]

I did, too. (I did wonder where the Irish fascination came from though.)

Probably cause Casey was born around St Paddy's day. Don't know if the name "Casey" was coincidence or Cindy like the Irish symbolism.

[Balesha]

Hey guys. Haven't been on here in ages.

Q'n: Do Casey's parents still support her and Baez? Does Casey still have Baez as her lawyer?

[denjet]

I got the impression this wasn't Tracy's usual gig and she was totally gobsmacked by the clan known as the Anthony's. I think she was expecting at least an attempt by Casey or someone in the family to act as if they wanted to know what happened to Caylee.
Hi ish!
I'm sure she felt like she had entered the Twilight Zone ... not something she'll ever forget ... and what's up with KC trying to make Tracy her BFF with matching "ankle bracelets" using a wrist watch for Tracy .. of course we know KC's was actually a monitoring device ... :scared:

[cassidy]

Hey guys. Haven't been on here in ages.

Q'n: Do Casey's parents still support her and Baez? Does Casey still have Baez as her lawyer?


Casey's parents still support her. Their support for Baez is questionable. And yes, Jose is still around.

[sydney]

Probably cause Casey was born around St Paddy's day. Don't know if the name "Casey" was coincidence or Cindy like the Irish symbolism.

you know what they say, "everyone is irish on st. patrick's day". the way kc partied, every day WAS st. patrick's day!

[aproudmom]

ok 30 minutes of CA was enough to give my cat a headache..I think I would rather read it than just have audio....:tongueside:

[cassidy]

ok 30 minutes of CA was enough to give my cat a headache..I think I would rather read it than just have audio....:tongueside:

Awwwwww...poor kitty!!!!!!!!!!!

[ish]

Tracy said that, and Rob Dick repeated what Tracy told him ...

and Lenny blabbed it on NG. I call that a Daisy Chain!!

[jakee]

Hi ish!
I'm sure she felt like she had entered the Twilight Zone ... not something she'll ever forget ... and what's up with KC trying to make Tracy her BFF with matching "ankle bracelets" using a wrist watch for Tracy .. of course we know KC's was actually a monitoring device ... :scared:

casey is dumb.

Seriously, I am wondering if she was starting to plan her mental defense. Sure hope we don't have to hear about a sledding accident where she bumped her head when she was 6, which caused her to murder her baby.

[ish]

Awwwwww...poor kitty!!!!!!!!!!!

Be Thankful there's no video!!!

[Lavinia]

Probably cause Casey was born around St Paddy's day. Don't know if the name "Casey" was coincidence or Cindy like the Irish symbolism.

I see you and Summer on on the same page on this, lol. Isn't that just like Casey? Steal a holiday to be about her.

[sydney]

Hi ish!
I'm sure she felt like she had entered the Twilight Zone ... not something she'll ever forget ... and what's up with KC trying to make Tracy her BFF with matching "ankle bracelets" using a wrist watch for Tracy .. of course we know KC's was actually a monitoring device ... :scared:

hey, den! my guess is that she wanted to lure tracy, reel her in, and use her for her own evil purposes just like she did her other "friends"

[Lavinia]

casey is dumb.

Seriously, I am wondering if she was starting to plan her mental defense. Sure hope we don't have to hear about a sledding accident where she bumped her head when she was 6, which caused her to murder her baby.

You see how far it got King? Right to DR.

[aproudmom]

Casey's parents still support her. Their support for Baez is questionable. And yes, Jose is still around.

they have never liked bozo GA made that clear in his early interviews..thing is he is just as bad as bozo IMO

[ish]

I did too, but apparently now Caylee's father is Italian. :huh:

OT a bit, Which lawyer coined the term "terminal event" when it came to Caylee's murder. I cannot remember who said it.

I don't know who coined it but I like to think of it in regard to Casey's end.

[jakee]

You see how far it got King? Right to DR.

YES! :laugh: Poor dumb Casey.

[denjet]

I did too, but apparently now Caylee's father is Italian. :huh:

OT a bit, Which lawyer coined the term "terminal event" when it came to Caylee's murder. I cannot remember who said it.
It was Dominic Casey (the Ants' PI) on his website ... he later changed it to "Caylee Marie's disappearance or death" . . . they just can't say murder!!

[aproudmom]

You see how far it got King? Right to DR.

:thumbsup: NO not the sledding accident made me do it...

[sydney]

casey is dumb.

Seriously, I am wondering if she was starting to plan her mental defense. Sure hope we don't have to hear about a sledding accident where she bumped her head when she was 6, which caused her to murder her baby.

hey! i don't think the 'rents would stand for that - the PERFECT family with a capital P. then again, like kat said (i think) they could potentially argue (if there is medical evidence to support it) that she had some sort of brain injury or damage which caused her behaviour.

my only question would be - if kc bumped her head in a sledding accident, started acting all bizarre (which the a's vehemently deny), why wouldn't they have taken her to a doctor to see if there was anything medically wrong? i always thought (and i've been wrong before and i am NOT a doctor) that brain injuries could cause a change in behaviour shortly after being suffered. and cindy being a nurse and a mother of the year herself, and all.....

[aproudmom]

YES! :laugh: Poor dumb Casey.

I'd like to see that DA take her on he was GOOD IMO

[Lavinia]

Hey guys. Haven't been on here in ages.

Q'n: Do Casey's parents still support her and Baez? Does Casey still have Baez as her lawyer?

Hey Balesha! The A's are apparently still trying to get visitation with Casey and yes, they are supporting her last they said. Baez, has Andrea Lyon as his co-counsel since she's death sentence certified, (or however it's phrased). Casey looked like absolute hammered krap on her last appearance in the courtroom.

[happygert]

Hi All just getting on here Grandson just left a little while ago.. Trying to listen to Rob Dick and the dang thing quits after 1:03 anyone else have this problem? I take it but the threads we've had an eventful day.. now trying to catch up..

[jakee]

I don't know who coined it but I like to think of it in regard to Casey's end.

I like that thought too! :smile:

[ttcRider]

I was thinking about Caylee's name awhile back.
I thought (Posssible) they named her after Ca-sey and brother Lee' Like Caylee. Dunno, it made sense to me.:confused:

I like calling her Crasey! :laugh:

[sydney]

I was thinking about Caylee's name awhile back.
I thought (Posssible) they named her after Ca-sey and brother Lee' Like Caylee. Dunno, it made sense to me.:confused:

me, too. all i can say is there are too many maries in there, too.

[jakee]

It was Dominic Casey (the Ants' PI) on his website ... he later changed it to "Caylee Marie's disappearance or death" . . . they just can't say murder!!


Thank you! Was driving me crazy that I could not remember. He is weird too.

[bchand]

Hi All just getting on here Grandson just left a little while ago.. Trying to listen to Rob Dick and the dang thing quits after 1:03 anyone else have this problem? I take it but the threads we've had an eventful day.. now trying to catch up..

That link doesn't work for me either happygert.

I posted 2 links that will let you download them to your computer.


http://www.filedropper.com/robdpt1

http://www.filedropper.com/robdpt2

[denjet]

hey, den! my guess is that she wanted to lure tracy, reel her in, and use her for her own evil purposes just like she did her other "friends"
I think you're right, syd! Just like a black widow ... wonder how successful she'll be in prison ... she'll be toying with the big girls then ... can't wait!

[ish]

hey! i don't think the 'rents would stand for that - the PERFECT family with a capital P. then again, like kat said (i think) they could potentially argue (if there is medical evidence to support it) that she had some sort of brain injury or damage which caused her behaviour.

my only question would be - if kc bumped her head in a sledding accident, started acting all bizarre (which the a's vehemently deny), why wouldn't they have taken her to a doctor to see if there was anything medically wrong? i always thought (and i've been wrong before and i am NOT a doctor) that brain injuries could cause a change in behaviour shortly after being suffered. and cindy being a nurse and a mother of the year herself, and all.....

When was the last time it snowed in Florida? I doubt a "sledding" accident is gonna get past the prosecution or our Ace reporter, Kathi Belich!!

[Lavinia]

I did too, but apparently now Caylee's father is Italian. :huh:

OT a bit, Which lawyer coined the term "terminal event" when it came to Caylee's murder. I cannot remember who said it.

Was it Macaluso? It's on the tip of my brain but I can't pull it up. :confused:

[sydney]

How about "Estoy Loca". (I am crazy) Better match for the her, just sayin.:biggrin:

didn't cindy say kc spoke spanglish and had some spanish in high school and what with having a spanish invisi-nanny and all teaching caylee how to speak spanish as well? how close is italian to spanish? my bil speaks italian and does a pretty good job of understanding spanish.

[Lavinia]

:thumbsup: NO not the sledding accident made me do it...

:laugh: I bet she comes up with a story that will put the sledding accident story to shame, lol.

[sydney]

I think you're right, syd! Just like a black widow ... wonder how successful she'll be in prison ... she'll be toying with the big girls then ... can't wait!

aaaah. but dem girls has been around da block a time or two. bet they'd see right through her!

her looks (or lack thereof) won't matter if she's convicted of murdering her child. i'll bet some of those women have children of their own and wouldn't take too kindly to a woman who murdered her own child.

[ish]

I did, too. (I did wonder where the Irish fascination came from though.)

Hey, before this is over, Casey may claim the 'little people" took Caylee.:scared:

[sydney]

When was the last time it snowed in Florida? I doubt a "sledding" accident is gonna get past the prosecution or our Ace reporter, Kathi Belich!!

hey, if the a's say there was one when kc was six, you darn well better BELIEVE it happened!

[sydney]

Actually it's very close. I speak spanish as a second language and I understand a lot of Italian when I'm in a room with them.:thumbup:

thanks, dee - that's what i thought.

so, do you think the invisi-nanny told kc to get a tatoo that said "the good/beautiful life" (in spanish and kc, being italian, asked for it in italian -where IS that tongue-in-cheek icon) and to arrange for another one as part of the script she was to follow?

[aproudmom]

I was thinking about Caylee's name awhile back.
I thought (Posssible) they named her after Ca-sey and brother Lee' Like Caylee. Dunno, it made sense to me.:confused:

I always thought that was why she was named Caylee.. and CA middle name is Marie also right? Caylee Marie Anthony ..makes since to me
CMA CMA CMA Wonder if GAs middle name is Marie also:biggrin:

[ish]

hey, if the a's say there was one when kc was six, you darn well better BELIEVE it happened!

well of course, if the A's say it.. I guess the prosecution just had every reference to that freak snow storm removed from public knowledge in their conspiracy to frame Casey. On a F*****g whim you know!

[Lavinia]

didn't cindy say kc spoke spanglish and had some spanish in high school and what with having a spanish invisi-nanny and all teaching caylee how to speak spanish as well? how close is italian to spanish? my bil speaks italian and does a pretty good job of understanding spanish.

Yeah, there are 7 Latin based languages, or Romance languages, and 3 of 'em are Spanish, Italian and French (also Romanian). If you get the basic word roots down, you can do pretty good figuring out the other languages.

[ish]

I always thought that was why she was named Caylee.. and CA middle name is Marie also right? Caylee Marie Anthony ..makes since to me
CMA CMA CMA Wonder if GAs middle name is Marie also:biggrin:

It became Marie after Cindy performed the "surgery" on his parts.:lol:

[denjet]

Hi All just getting on here Grandson just left a little while ago.. Trying to listen to Rob Dick and the dang thing quits after 1:03 anyone else have this problem? I take it but the threads we've had an eventful day.. now trying to catch up..
Hi happy!

Here's a snipet of Rob's interview...about the night of the fight

LE: when she got out did she give you any insight into the relationships she had with her mom and with her dad and with Lee and how they have either evolved or devolved over time and what her thoughts were on each of them were?

Rob: No, not with Casey so much and I probably wish I would have explored that more ... we never really talked about their relationships ... I hit Cindy hard with that which kind of bothered me about her ... one of the last few days of the week we cornered Cindy and I hit her straight up with what I thought and looking at the phone records and what I had heard .. I asked her what happened on the night of the 15th ... you know when you guys had that big fight ... you know, how bad was it, I hear it was pretty bad ... Cindy kind of got shocked and she goes "What are you talking about? We haven't fought in 6 months, I don't know what you're talking about" And in my mind I'm thinking OK Cindy you guys have been fighting the whole time we've been here .. so she goes "No we're .. everything was fine on the night of the 15th" I said come on Cindy I mean the neighbor's said they heard it it was so big and Jesse told me personally that Casey and you were on the outs .. come on what happened on the 15th ... she said "I don't know what you're talking about, there was no fight, I mean I came home from the uh, spending time with my dad and Caylee, I showed the video tape with Casey, we all kind of laughed, cried a little bit about it, there was nothing, we were perfect ... you know up until this there's been nothing between us"

[Lavinia]

Hey, before this is over, Casey may claim the 'little people" took Caylee.:scared:

:laugh: I can't imagine Casey surprising me with a story because I'm expecting something as bizarre as alien abduction from her.

[happygert]

That link doesn't work for me either happygert.

I posted 2 links that will let you download them to your computer.


http://www.filedropper.com/robdpt1

http://www.filedropper.com/robdpt2

Thanks bchand.. I thought my internet was screwing up again.. OMG trying to listen to cindy heads spinning got to stop..

[sydney]

I always thought that was why she was named Caylee.. and CA middle name is Marie also right? Caylee Marie Anthony ..makes since to me
CMA CMA CMA Wonder if GAs middle name is Marie also:biggrin:

i would bet that george's middle name is also marie, based on the hysterical way he acts at times.:lol:

[ttcRider]

:laugh: I can't imagine Casey surprising me with a story because I'm expecting something as bizarre as alien abduction from her.

.. and I will be soooo disappointed if it isn't a doozie! :lol:

[sydney]

well of course, if the A's say it.. I guess the prosecution just had every reference to that freak snow storm removed from public knowledge in their conspiracy to frame Casey. On a F*****g whim you know!

no - the defense did that. just like they argued the hurricane was a passing spring shower!:tonguewag:

[happygert]

Hi happy!

Here's a snipet of Rob's interview...about the night of the fight

LE: when she got out did she give you any insight into the relationships she had with her mom and with her dad and with Lee and how they have either evolved or devolved over time and what her thoughts were on each of them were?

Rob: No, not with Casey so much and I probably wish I would have explored that more ... we never really talked about their relationships ... I hit Cindy hard with that which kind of bothered me about her ... one of the last few days of the week we cornered Cindy and I hit her straight up with what I thought and looking at the phone records and what I had heard .. I asked her what happened on the night of the 15th ... you know when you guys had that big fight ... you know, how bad was it, I hear it was pretty bad ... Cindy kind of got shocked and she goes "What are you talking about? We haven't fought in 6 months, I don't know what you're talking about" And in my mind I'm thinking OK Cindy you guys have been fighting the whole time we've been here .. so she goes "No we're .. everything was fine on the night of the 15th" I said come on Cindy I mean the neighbor's said they heard it it was so big and Jesse told me personally that Casey and you were on the outs .. come on what happened on the 15th ... she said "I don't know what you're talking about, there was no fight, I mean I came home from the uh, spending time with my dad and Caylee, I showed the video tape with Casey, we all kind of laughed, cried a little bit about it, there was nothing, we were perfect ... you know up until this there's been nothing between us"

Hi denjet! and thank you...What a bunch of bs..

[onlykaty]

I agree that Caylee did not drown in the pool with george and cindy's knowledge......I am leaning toward casey dragging Caylee outta there and george and cindy are feeling a lot of guilt for letting them go....

I didn't like tracy's constant laughing either.....but I loved her "inside info"

I agree that G and C have a lot of guilt, I also think they are living with it through denial. They know Caylee is gone forever and they don't want to lose Casey to. The plain truth is they lost Casey a long time ago. The longer I listen to these video's the more I understand why the defense keeps putting the trial off. Casey has it good where she's at now, compared to whats facing her and they want to prolong the inevitable.

Dang, Casey honestly had no emotions or any empathy for anyone. The girl is just stone cold nuts...:sad:

[aproudmom]

:laugh: I bet she comes up with a story that will put the sledding accident story to shame, lol.

:ohmy: It was the invisible snow not the invisible Nanny that did it..heck she would never allow them to say she had a low IQ and took special ed and went on the little bus to school..so nah wont work for her either I think the sled and snow are safe..she may go with the I hear voices and witches are chasing me defense

[sydney]

come on what happened on the 15th ... she said "I don't know what you're talking about, there was no fight, I mean I came home from the uh, spending time with my dad and Caylee, I showed the video tape with Casey, we all kind of laughed, cried a little bit about it, there was nothing, we were perfect ... you know up until this there's been nothing between us"

(snipped by me)
didn't she and caylee spend time with cindy's dad on the 8th, father's day? so she's confusing dates AGAIN?

[ish]

:laugh: I can't imagine Casey surprising me with a story because I'm expecting something as bizarre as alien abduction from her.

We have to stop Lavinia, you know Cindy is writing these ideas down!!:tonguewag: John Allen's gonna get one of those long rambling voice mails from her talking about little people and aliens and that if he doesn't look into them, she's gonna have to talk to his boss.:ohmy:

[denjet]

How about "Estoy Loca". (I am crazy) Better match for the her, just sayin.:biggrin:
We could send Big Bertha a box of Sharpees !!:tonguewag:

[sydney]

I agree that G and C have a lot of guilt, I also think they are living with it through denial. They know Caylee is gone forever and they don't want to lose Casey to. The plain truth is they lost Casey a long time ago. The longer I listen to these video's the more I understand why the defense keeps putting the trial off. Casey has it good where she's at now, compared to whats facing her and they want to prolong the inevitable.

Dang, Casey honestly had no emotions or any empathy for anyone. The girl is just stone cold nuts...:sad:

hey, katy. i don't know if it's so much "lost" kc, as let her go, as in "ok - i'm done now". they didn't seem to care about her before, much less after she turned 18 when cindy basically said they set no rules for her after that time.

[aproudmom]

ok I just lost it JVM just said is KC a Pathological liar um YEAH that is a no brainer and about the most stupid question I have heard for over a year the whole family is she learned from the best I guess

[seeing_eye]

(snipped by me - hey, cass!)

that's like giving your kind candy to shut them up every time they cry. all it does it make the poor kid fat and doesn't teach them a thing!

i kinda have a hard time thinking they all knew BEFOREhand and kept the stories straight. goodness knows, for example, in the statements to le, cindy said they talked about the invisi-nanny at least 3 years before this happened, george said 1 year and lee said he never head of the invisi-nanny until july 15th, iirc.

Sydney, you are so right in your observation. I think they went overboard with providing material things (probably to outdo their neighbor next door!). And that probably wouldn't have been too bad either if they had also provided her with discipline, training in manners, and instilling good virtues. (Of course, in the Anthony's case, they couldn't provide what they didn't have!) I also think they were doing the same thing with Caylee.

[Lavinia]

We have to stop Lavinia, you know Cindy is writing these ideas down!!:tonguewag: John Allen's gonna get one of those long rambling voice mails from her talking about little people and aliens and that if he doesn't look into them, she's gonna have to talk to his boss.:ohmy:

:laugh: Those guys must draw straws to see who has to talk to her next, lol. Not me! Not me! Not me!

[desmom]

ok 30 minutes of CA was enough to give my cat a headache..I think I would rather read it than just have audio....:tongueside:

Ditto! I turned her off.

[sydney]

:laugh: I bet she comes up with a story that will put the sledding accident story to shame, lol.

let's see - hmmmmm

"my dog ate my caylee"

nah. don't think that'll work

[ish]

Which brings up a point I wanted to make a very long time ago.
I think Cindy was LYING when she said that Caylee was being taught Spanish so there had to be a Zaneida. Bull pucky, I didn't believe it for a minute.
I will say, that the morning cartoons come in Spanish channels and if she did pick up on the language, that's where she got it.
My Breanna did the same thing when she was 3 years old. She would switch the channel to a Spanish cartoon and sit and watch it.
She would walk in the kitchen and say a few words in Spanish and I knew exactly where she got it. She could count to 10 before she was 4.
Those channels are not any different than the self teaching English ones.

Has anyone other than Cindy/Casey said Caylee spoke any spanish? Well there we go, she didn't, more BS from Mom and Daughter.

[Lavinia]

Which brings up a point I wanted to make a very long time ago.
I think Cindy was LYING when she said that Caylee was being taught Spanish so there had to be a Zaneida. Bull pucky, I didn't believe it for a minute.
I will say, that the morning cartoons come in Spanish channels and if she did pick up on the language, that's where she got it.
My Breanna did the same thing when she was 3 years old. She would switch the channel to a Spanish cartoon and sit and watch it.
She would walk in the kitchen and say a few words in Spanish and I knew exactly where she got it. She could count to 10 before she was 4.
Those channels are not any different than the self teaching English ones.

Dora the Explorer teaches a lot of Spanish. My youngest really liked her show.

[sydney]

Which brings up a point I wanted to make a very long time ago.
I think Cindy was LYING when she said that Caylee was being taught Spanish so there had to be a Zaneida. Bull pucky, I didn't believe it for a minute.
I will say, that the morning cartoons come in Spanish channels and if she did pick up on the language, that's where she got it.
My Breanna did the same thing when she was 3 years old. She would switch the channel to a Spanish cartoon and sit and watch it.
She would walk in the kitchen and say a few words in Spanish and I knew exactly where she got it. She could count to 10 before she was 4.
Those channels are not any different than the self teaching English ones.

i agree. here's my thing - iirc, cindy said she didn't speak a word of spanish, but caylee could count up to like 35. so if cindy didn't speak spanish, how could she know caylee was counting, much less up to what number? not only that, but with all due respect, the child was only what - 2 years old?

some of my kids talked early but not CLEARLY enough for me to understand if they were speaking in a freaking FOREIGN LANGUAGE!

[sydney]

Sydney, you are so right in your observation. I think they went overboard with providing material things (probably to outdo their neighbor next door!). And that probably wouldn't have been too bad either if they had also provided her with discipline, training in manners, and instilling good virtues. (Of course, in the Anthony's case, they couldn't provide what they didn't have!) I also think they were doing the same thing with Caylee.

i hate to say this but i know someone that would rather buy her kids whatever they wanted than to say "no. i can't afford it right now." or "no, learn how to share" or just "no" in general.

it drives me nuts. she confuses love with spending money and giving her kids whatever the frig they wanted.

i didn't do that with my kids. and, sometimes, it was hard to deny them. but in the end, they all know the value of working for what they want instead of having it handed to them.

[summer]

I wonder if the State will ask Lee what the high five was all about when they have him up there testifying. (prolly not):rolleyes:

Hi, I'm pages behind so this has probably been answered but IIRC a member of the family said they high-fived because Lee was her hero for getting her through the media gauntlet.

Take it for what it's worth. It was out of the mouth of an Anthony after all...

Personally I don't care if he ushered her through 5 hurricanes and 10 tornadoes a high-five with gleeful smiles was still inappropriate. But maybe I'm just crazy like that.

[TunaMelt]

It's the long, (usually woven nylon these days), necklace type thing that many employers and schools require you to wear with your ID on it. My kids have to wear them at their schools and I used to have to wear one for work.


Well, thankyouthankyouthankyou so much.
I learned something new.

You are very kind, Miz Lavinia,
:smile:

[sydney]

Dora the Explorer teaches a lot of Spanish. My youngest really liked her show.

somehow, i don't get the impression that kc (or the a's for that matter) were really into educational television shows for caylee. but that's just me. don't know why i think that, i just do.

[ish]

i agree. here's my thing - iirc, cindy said she didn't speak a word of spanish, but caylee could count up to like 35. so if cindy didn't speak spanish, how could she know caylee was counting, much less up to what number? not only that, but with all due respect, the child was only what - 2 years old?

some of my kids talked early but not CLEARLY enough for me to understand if they were speaking in a freaking FOREIGN LANGUAGE!

Some kids SOUND like the're speaking a foreign language @ 2, turns out it's English!!

[TunaMelt]

I always thought that was why she was named Caylee.. and CA middle name is Marie also right? Caylee Marie Anthony ..makes since to me
CMA CMA CMA Wonder if GAs middle name is Marie also:biggrin:

:lol:

good one.

[sydney]

Some kids SOUND like the're speaking a foreign language @ 2, turns out it's English!!

BBBIIIIINNNNGGGOOO! :biggrin:

[ish]

Which brings up a point I wanted to make a very long time ago.
I think Cindy was LYING when she said that Caylee was being taught Spanish so there had to be a Zaneida. Bull pucky, I didn't believe it for a minute.
I will say, that the morning cartoons come in Spanish channels and if she did pick up on the language, that's where she got it.
My Breanna did the same thing when she was 3 years old. She would switch the channel to a Spanish cartoon and sit and watch it.
She would walk in the kitchen and say a few words in Spanish and I knew exactly where she got it. She could count to 10 before she was 4.
Those channels are not any different than the self teaching English ones.

Putting Caylee in the car trunk with some Taco Bell wrappers is not even close to letting her watch Spanish language cartoons.:w00t:

[witchywoman]

:ohmy: It was the invisible snow not the invisible Nanny that did it..heck she would never allow them to say she had a low IQ and took special ed and went on the little bus to school..so nah wont work for her either I think the sled and snow are safe..she may go with the I hear voices and witches are chasing me defense

LOl. not snickering at you aproudmom..

I just had a bit of a laugh when u mentioned the witches, lol...

padon me...

I adore reading ur post

im SOOOOOO ready to see the odious creature kc in court..

[5boxersmom]

Was there anything about Prints or Maggots that I missed? I had to leave for a few hours and wondered if it was released while I was gone.

tia

[ish]

or teaching her spanish

(okay, now i'm as bad as you!)

I meant that's how Casey was teaching her spanish!!:laugh:

[onlykaty]

hey, katy. i don't know if it's so much "lost" kc, as let her go, as in "ok - i'm done now". they didn't seem to care about her before, much less after she turned 18 when cindy basically said they set no rules for her after that time.


Thats a very good point. All the reading and video's I've listened to, I keep hearing how Casey would keep turning the convo on herself anytime Caylee was mentioned. Do you think once Caylee was born G and C gave up on Casey then and all their attention went to Caylee? If thats the case why the h*ll did they let Casey take that child out of the house, they certainly had enough facts about Casey they could have stopped her. With Lee I sometimes think he is clueless and other times I think he is as twisted as Casey, the CMA thing at Caylee's memorial was way over the top. Just when I think I have a little bit of it figured out they throw another wrench into my thinking. The only thing I feel sure about is, Casey did murder Caylee. Maybe the whole family is a bunch of nutjobs..:sad:

[sydney]

I meant that's how Casey was teaching her spanish!!:laugh:

eeewww, ish!

as an example, my kids would come to me at age 2 or so and say "doose". i would know they wanted "juice" but most people would be going through this mental exercise:

shoes?
twos?
goose?
food?

never, in a MILLION years, would i or anyone else think they were speaking in a foreign language such as spanish and try to interpret this word as such.

[summer]

I'm going to give LE the benefit of the doubt on this though because I think they have done a fantastic job, so far, and maybe they were hoping she would take them to Caylee or otherwise foul up while she was out and they just wanted to provide more rope that she could hang herself with. I'm solidly on Team LE on this gig. :thumbsup:

I never thought it was LE's jurisdiction - thought it was between the court and the prison authorities... (guess they're all technically LE but...) anyway I know Yuri et all had their hands full and were probably just so frustrated watching her strut her stuff as we were -- knowing what they knew.

[sydney]

Thats a very good point. All the reading and video's I've listened to, I keep hearing how Casey would keep turning the convo on herself anytime Caylee was mentioned. Do you think once Caylee was born G and C gave up on Casey then and all their attention went to Caylee? If thats the case why the h*ll did they let Casey take that child out of the house, they certainly had enough facts about Casey they could have stopped her. With Lee I sometimes think he is clueless and other times I think he is as twisted as Casey, the CMA thing at Caylee's memorial was way over the top. Just when I think I have a little bit of it figured out they throw another wrench into my thinking. The only thing I feel sure about is, Casey did murder Caylee. Maybe the whole family is a bunch of nutjobs..:sad:

i believe they gave up on kc long before caylee. iirc, cindy said to kc that caylee was "her worst mistake and her best mistake". i think lee anthony said that.

as to letting kc take caylee out of the house, there's been quite a bit of debate over this. some say cindy was tired of being the main care-giver (which i tend to believe). some say that kc wanted to "punish" the a's for the "argument" by taking caylee away (which i also believe). sad thing is, in the end, the a's didn't give a dang about "that little girl". if they had practiced what they preached about how much she meant to them, they would have interceded long before they did.

caylee was nothing more than a tug-toy in the mother-daughter war that was cindy and kc anthony.

[summer]

Thats a very good point. All the reading and video's I've listened to, I keep hearing how Casey would keep turning the convo on herself anytime Caylee was mentioned. Do you think once Caylee was born G and C gave up on Casey then and all their attention went to Caylee? If thats the case why the h*ll did they let Casey take that child out of the house, they certainly had enough facts about Casey they could have stopped her. With Lee I sometimes think he is clueless and other times I think he is as twisted as Casey, the CMA thing at Caylee's memorial was way over the top. Just when I think I have a little bit of it figured out they throw another wrench into my thinking. The only thing I feel sure about is, Casey did murder Caylee. Maybe the whole family is a bunch of nutjobs..:sad:

Yah, and not just take her out of the house that fateful day - but any day! How could they not provide stable childcare no matter what the cost? They knew or suspected Casey had no job - what's wrong with these people?!

[summer]

Putting Caylee in the car trunk with some Taco Bell wrappers is not even close to letting her watch Spanish language cartoons.:w00t:

That's funny, Ish. In a sad but true way. Everything Caylee learned was probably from trash wrappers in the car.

[sydney]

Oh, syd. Remember though! She always use bits and snippets of truth about the people and their personal lives who were around her to make up imagineered stories, though. She was even Casey'o'maire, fgs. She might have even mindleslly sat around and scribbled "Casey Marie McAnthony" for awhile!

And then, remember, she then chameleonized the "socailly accepted" atmosphere around her group of whatever "Friend Flavor of the Month" club she was with at the time! ...shamrocks, Yankee hats , Italian phrasing tattoo, smoking pot with her new crowd...the list goes on and on!

true, that. she did present different faces to different people - "perfect mother" and "wonderful friend" and "terrific daughter" even though they didn't last very long.

[crimeq]

For those that missed the original posting... here is Sevendust's response:

SEVENDUST has issued the following statement regarding the matter:

"After hearing the news that our song 'The Past' was a topic of discussion on the Nancy Grace show yesterday, we would like to elaborate. The song was written as a song of hope. A song with positive message. To look back on your life and reflect and to feel good about getting through the rough times that everyone goes through, the roller coaster of life, so to speak.

"We regret that we've been linked to the horrible subject involving the disappearance of little Caylee Anthony. Most of us have children and have been saddened by the story from the beginning.

"We pray for the safe return of this beautiful young child and wish her family strength."

SEVENDUST Song Linked To Case Of Missing Little Girl CAYLEE ANTHONY - Nov. 21, 2008 (http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=109408)

I hope Casey saw this, somehow. It's almost worth writing her a letter just to be sure she sees the response from Sevendust.

Good for them for stepping up.

[sydney]

Yah, and not just take her out of the house that fateful day - but any day! How could they not provide stable childcare no matter what the cost? They knew or suspected Casey had no job - what's wrong with these people?!

remember, summer, it was "her responsibility". they talk out of all three sides of their mouths. "we were the caretaker 98% of the time". "we didn't ask how she paid the nanny because it wasn't an issue". as a matter of fact, "not an issue" or words to that effect became somewhat of a mantra for george and cindy.

i asked this question a while ago. cindy posited that "zanny" could be anyone who watched caylee. take that along with the statement george made that they watched caylee 98% of the time. using cindy's logic, wouldn't that cast suspicion on george and cindy, or am i just thinking again?

[Katprint]

:laugh: I can't imagine Casey surprising me with a story because I'm expecting something as bizarre as alien abduction from her.
Except now it will be an even more freakish alien homicide. (Pssst! The alien abduction victims are usually returned alive.)

So the imagi-nanny was an invisible alien, like the alien hunter from the Predator movies. Makes perfect sense. Not.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[summer]

remember, summer, it was "her responsibility". they talk out of all three sides of their mouths. "we were the caretaker 98% of the time". "we didn't ask how she paid the nanny because it wasn't an issue". as a matter of fact, "not an issue" or words to that effect became somewhat of a mantra for george and cindy.

i asked this question a while ago. cindy posited that "zanny" could be anyone who watched caylee. take that along with the statement george made that they watched caylee 98% of the time. using cindy's logic, wouldn't that cast suspicion on george and cindy, or am i just thinking again?

And isn't George on record saying he was never alone with Caylee? (which is totally weird/LK) How does that juxtapose with being 98% caretakers?

Such liars!

[sydney]

Except now it will be an even more freakish alien homicide. (Pssst! The alien abduction victims are usually returned alive.)

So the imagi-nanny was an invisible alien, like the alien hunter from the Predator movies. Makes perfect sense. Not.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

(bold mine)

perhaps that is what the a's are holding onto by not admitting caylee is D-E-A-D or M-U-R-D-E-R-E-D, only M-I-S-S-I-N-G?

[crimeq]

It bugged me, too. She was saying the right things, but the nervous laughter was really inappropriate, imo. (Shades of Lee.) She sounded like someone who literally found herself in the situation ... not like a professional who was there to do a specific job.

I worry about her being able to testify credibly, frankly. She doesn't finish her sentences or her thoughts, or starts to and then says something like "I don't know".

She doesn't have the professional demeanor I expected :-( and I worry about how she'll come across at trial--she's such a key witness to all this.

[onlykaty]

i believe they gave up on kc long before caylee. iirc, cindy said to kc that caylee was "her worst mistake and her best mistake". i think lee anthony said that.

as to letting kc take caylee out of the house, there's been quite a bit of debate over this. some say cindy was tired of being the main care-giver (which i tend to believe). some say that kc wanted to "punish" the a's for the "argument" by taking caylee away (which i also believe). sad thing is, in the end, the a's didn't give a dang about "that little girl". if they had practiced what they preached about how much she meant to them, they would have interceded long before they did.

caylee was nothing more than a tug-toy in the mother-daughter war that was cindy and kc anthony.

I know Casey is a cold person, has issues that needed addressing by prrofessionals. I know she could't love anyone but herself. Its just so hard for me to beleive that a grandparent couldn't love sweet little Caylee with all thier heart and soul. I wouldn't want to be either one of them, G or C when one day it finally sinks what a total failure they were as parents and grandparents. Someday they will, it all comes home.

I think all of this will come out in court to. C and G both are going to be given a huge dose of reality. They all deserve it. Lee to in my mind.

[sydney]

And isn't George on record saying he was never alone with Caylee? (which is totally weird/LK) How does that juxtapose with being 98% caretakers?

Such liars!

he is? i don't recall reading that. sinister connotations to that statement, if you ask me.

did they not trust him alone with caylee? if so, WHY?

[summer]

Well I just read on the site Tracy doesn't like (STDL) that she's been sending the OC letters and money for her commissary account.

I don't even think there's an emoticon for this.

[sammy62]

I spent all day listening to the 3 tapes and Cindy's secret tape. Did I miss anything else. You guys wrote a thousand messages since this morning and there is no way I can catch up. Really interesting tapes. I learned more about Lee....and Katprint, you'll be happy to know the jury is no longer out on Lee. He fits right in with the rest of them....he has just been smart enough to keep his mouth shut. Anyway...are there any other docs? tia

[summer]

he is? i don't recall reading that. sinister connotations to that statement, if you ask me.

did they not trust him alone with caylee? if so, WHY?

Wish I could remember where I read that. He mentioned in some interview he was never alone with Caylee and I recall being stunned because how does that happen if you live with a baby?

If no-one else remembers I'll retract but I'm pretty sure...

[sydney]

I worry about her being able to testify credibly, frankly. She doesn't finish her sentences or her thoughts, or starts to and then says something like "I don't know".

She doesn't have the professional demeanor I expected :-( and I worry about how she'll come across at trial--she's such a key witness to all this.

i've seen a trial or two and most people (some professionals, included) don't come across as able to express themselves clearly or eloquently. i think she'll do fine. i don't think credibility depends on not finishing sentences and the like. i'm sure the prosecution will encourage her when needed and ask her to expand on her answers when necessary.

[adair]

Hey everyone...just got home starting to listen, hope its ok to jump ahead in the thread.....


If not,tell me

[summer]

Hey everyone...just got home starting to listen, hope its ok to jump ahead in the thread.....

If not,tell me

It's not okay, Adair. Get to the back of the line. LOL. :wub:

[AnniePie]

I blame the system for letting them get away with those blatently abused law office visits. Yeah, she's allowed reasonable amount of time with her attorney but they abused their constitutional rights in a very IN YOUR FACE manner. It could've been stopped with a little bit of investigation, IMO.

Every single thing they've done from Day One has been in an IN YOUR FACE manner. :ohmy:

[sydney]

I know Casey is a cold person, has issues that needed addressing by prrofessionals. I know she could't love anyone but herself. Its just so hard for me to beleive that a grandparent couldn't love sweet little Caylee with all thier heart and soul. I wouldn't want to be either one of them, G or C when one day it finally sinks what a total failure they were as parents and grandparents. Someday they will, it all comes home.

I think all of this will come out in court to. C and G both are going to be given a huge dose of reality. They all deserve it. Lee to in my mind.

their personalities (disorders) will NOT allow them to feel even the slightest guilt, shame or remorse over what occurred. i don't believe any one of them has a heart or soul.

that baby never had a chance.

[sydney]

I spent all day listening to the 3 tapes and Cindy's secret tape. Did I miss anything else. You guys wrote a thousand messages since this morning and there is no way I can catch up. Really interesting tapes. I learned more about Lee....and Katprint, you'll be happy to know the jury is no longer out on Lee. He fits right in with the rest of them....he has just been smart enough to keep his mouth shut. Anyway...are there any other docs? tia

i give you an award for listening to the tapes. i will try and gear myself up for it tomorrow.

as for other docs, i'm too scared to go there right now. that will have to wait til tomorrow, too.

[crimeq]

Anyone else think Cindy popped a cork this morning when she saw the Cindy Anthony Speaks with Cmdr. Matt Irwin at http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/9/4/new_casey_anthony_evidence.html ?

I bet Cindy did not know she was being taped. :tonguewag:

Cindy probably popped a bunch of corks today :-)

[AnniePie]

The best part is that I would bet money Rob didn't even know they were playing a sunglass game.:lol:

:laugh: LOL Probably not.

[adair]

It's not okay, Adair. Get to the back of the line. LOL. :wub:



....realy ?

[bchand]

Hey everyone...just got home starting to listen, hope its ok to jump ahead in the thread.....


If not,tell me

Evening adair - jump right in !

[sydney]

Wish I could remember where I read that. He mentioned in some interview he was never alone with Caylee and I recall being stunned because how does that happen if you live with a baby?

If no-one else remembers I'll retract but I'm pretty sure...

yeah, well, he also said he went to "every ultrasound" that kc had. that was one of the most bizarre statements i had ever heard. i would have DIED if my father had gone with me to an ultrasound! my mother? sure! dad? NO FREAKIN WAY! i had one ultrasound with each kid. i think nowadays 2 is the norm unless the pregnancy is a problem (ok - my kids are all growed up now so things may have changed - correct me if i'm wrong).

how could he have gone to "every ultrasound" if kc was 7 months along when they asked her if she was preggers (or are you just bloated, honey?)

[martha]

so the check charge case will come before the murder trial? is that right? I have missed everything today and am so far behind.sorry for having to ask stuff like this.jmho:wub:

[bchand]

Well I just read on the site Tracy doesn't like (STDL) that she's been sending the OC letters and money for her commissary account.

I don't even think there's an emoticon for this.

I read that too. They claim Holly on Fox stated this info on the 6 pm news.

If true, we need a two-faced icon for Tracy IMO.

[sydney]

Right there tells us she's a liar face. "Cried a little" about grandpa and fathers day. Give me a break. Couldn't squeeze a tear out of her own daughter knowing she was dead and they were "crying a little" over their visit with Gramps.:sneaky:

refresh my memory, please. what did kc have to do that she couldn't go? or was it that she didn't WANT to go? or did she have to (ahem) work?

[crimeq]

I don't know. This is an awful lot of trouble to go to in order to cover up an accidental death.
JMO

But "missing children" bring in lots of money. Maybe it was Cindy turning lemons (accidental death) into lemonade (fundation moolah).

[summer]

....realy ?

I'M TOTALLY KIDDING!!!! :laugh:

(sorry to even make you wonder... my bad)

[sydney]

Cindy probably popped a bunch of corks today :-)

wonder how much gum she went thru.....

[summer]

yeah, well, he also said he went to "every ultrasound" that kc had. that was one of the most bizarre statements i had ever heard. i would have DIED if my father had gone with me to an ultrasound! my mother? sure! dad? NO FREAKIN WAY! i had one ultrasound with each kid. i think nowadays 2 is the norm unless the pregnancy is a problem (ok - my kids are all growed up now so things may have changed - correct me if i'm wrong).

how could he have gone to "every ultrasound" if kc was 7 months along when they asked her if she was preggers (or are you just bloated, honey?)

The head spins, don't it? :rolleyes:

[summer]

I read that too. They claim Holly on Fox stated this info on the 6 pm news.

If true, we need a two-faced icon for Tracy IMO.

I'm thinking Tracey is a little confused emotionally. Maybe she feels guilty for bonding with Casey and then giving a truthful interview with investigators? Gee that Casey must be some kinda charismatic. uh huh.

[sydney]

The head spins, don't it? :rolleyes:

gives a whole new meaning to "love is blind", don't it?

[AnniePie]

What I do on some of these dumps is, I get really down and dirty for about an hour, then I start checking here periodically for the next hour to see where other people guide me according to what they find interesting, then I just sit here and see what everyone else has to say and figure I'll get all the high points just sitting on my loser FLB bottom.

I usually do that too, but today I was just a greedy little oinker. I just wanted to gobble it all up for myself and now I feel like I have a hangover. Erk.

[sammy62]

yeah, well, he also said he went to "every ultrasound" that kc had. that was one of the most bizarre statements i had ever heard. i would have DIED if my father had gone with me to an ultrasound! my mother? sure! dad? NO FREAKIN WAY! i had one ultrasound with each kid. i think nowadays 2 is the norm unless the pregnancy is a problem (ok - my kids are all growed up now so things may have changed - correct me if i'm wrong).

how could he have gone to "every ultrasound" if kc was 7 months along when they asked her if she was preggers (or are you just bloated, honey?)

How about George in the delivery room. This family has no boundaries.

[crimeq]

Hope Jessie has a good attorney...although...looks like recently it may be TonE.

Yeah, Casey sure turned on TonE in a flash when he wouldn't accept her call from the jail. She'll show that boyfriend ....! And then there was the mention of all the people at Fusian that TonE knew, and TonE also knew Jesse. It's a HUGE consipracy!

[AnniePie]

I thought they were Italian. :confused:

That's what I thought too!

[sydney]

How about George in the delivery room. This family has no boundaries.

that's right! i forgot! and then trying to describe the episiotomy to the detectives! i wonder if he was in the delivery room with cindy?

perhaps things have changed from the time i had my kids, but, that has YUCKO written ALL OVER IT! perhaps that family is a little too close....

[AnniePie]

Hi ish!
I'm sure she felt like she had entered the Twilight Zone ... not something she'll ever forget ... and what's up with KC trying to make Tracy her BFF with matching "ankle bracelets" using a wrist watch for Tracy .. of course we know KC's was actually a monitoring device ... :scared:

That was just WEIRD! Casey seems to have the emotional development of a 12 year old. :ohmy:

[sydney]

That was just WEIRD! Casey seems to have the emotional development of a 12 year old. :ohmy:

annie, i think you can safely remove the "seems to have" and replace it with "has".

[AnniePie]

me, too. all i can say is there are too many maries in there, too.

Betcha Georgie's middle name is Marie too.

[sammy62]

That was just WEIRD! Casey seems to have the emotional development of a 12 year old. :ohmy:

You mean I'm not supposed to wear my watch on my ankle now. Thought it was a new fad?

[sydney]

Betcha Georgie's middle name is Marie too.

i spose lee could have been saying "cma, gma, cma" at the memorial. g and c kinda sound alike, no?

[sammy62]

You mean I'm not supposed to wear my watch on my ankle now. Thought it was a new fad?

answering myself.....silly me. This flb'er couldn't get her leg up to her eyes to read it. :scared:

[sydney]

answering myself.....silly me. This flb'er couldn't get her leg up to her eyes to read it. :scared:

now, now - don't put yourself down! they have those new large-size watch faces that would work just fine....

[seeing_eye]

:laugh: I can't imagine Casey surprising me with a story because I'm expecting something as bizarre as alien abduction from her.

OMG, we're not going back to the purple people eater defense, are we?? :w00t:

[ruth66]

I'm thinking Tracey is a little confused emotionally. Maybe she feels guilty for bonding with Casey and then giving a truthful interview with investigators? Gee that Casey must be some kinda charismatic. uh huh.

Well Tracy did say in her interview that Casey is a likable person (paraphrasing here). I think Rob Dick and Tracy were both being "investigators" in the beginning and Tracy might have made some sort of emotional attachment to little Ms. Pants on Fire.

JMO

[summer]

Adair!!! Come back!!! Ize soo sorry for the crummy joke! :blushing:

[denjet]

Yeah, Casey sure turned on TonE in a flash when he wouldn't accept her call from the jail. She'll show that boyfriend ....! And then there was the mention of all the people at Fusian that TonE knew, and TonE also knew Jesse. It's a HUGE consipracy!

HI crimeq!
Problem as I see it is KC and the Ants have tried to point the finger at too many people and have only succeeded in the "everyone else did it but Casey didn't" theory ... now for the defense to zero in on one person (Jesse) is not credible ... the Ants own statements can be used against KC ... as I see it anyway ...
I guess they don't have to prove WHO did it, just that KC didn't ... which is an impossible feat ...

[bchand]

Well Tracy did say in her interview that Casey is a likable person (paraphrasing here). I think Rob Dick and Tracy were both being "investigators" in the beginning and Tracy might have made some sort of emotional attachment to little Ms. Pants on Fire.

JMO

She may have but she says Casey has no friends because they couldn't stand to be around her with all that talking.

Maybe it's guilt.

We're always looking for "a" good guy in this case but I don't know if there will be any at all.

Tony Padilla is elsewhere saying that Lenny talks daily to Jose Baez on the phone but he doesn't know why. He goes on to say he listened to the tapes today with Lenny and Tracy. (Why not just ask Lenny why at that opportunity?)

Seems like alot of double crossing going on.

[ruth66]

I think if I learned anything today it is that Casey's confidence is coming from Jose. From Rob's interview it appears Jose was coaching Casey on comments to make, how to act, etc. This whole idea of a 'mistrial' is just obsurd. JMO

[denjet]

I have a question, after listening to what was going on at the Ants, and Tracy saying no reaction from KC after hearing about the decomp results from trunk ... was the jail video of KC's reaction to the remains being found just sealed from the public until trial, or was it thrown out all together? I thought it would be very telling to have a jury hear Padilla and crew's testify as to what KC was like out on bond, no emotion, etc. and then the Jail house tape of her emotional reaction ... anyone know if that video can be used at trial?

[ruth66]

She may have but she says Casey has no friends because they couldn't stand to be around her with all that talking.

Maybe it's guilt.

We're always looking for "a" good guy in this case but I don't know if there will be any at all.

Tony Padilla is elsewhere saying that Lenny talks daily to Jose Baez on the phone but he doesn't know why. He goes on to say he listened to the tapes today with Lenny and Tracy. (Why not just ask Lenny why at that opportunity?)

Seems like alot of double crossing going on.

You know, I don't think I have voiced this opinion before but I have had it in the back of my mind for some time. Here it goes, I have always had a little voice in the back of my mind when listening to Lenny P. that he has some unusual relationship with Baez. During the days when LP was on NG almost daily, some of the things he said almost sounded like he was providing the 'reasonable doubt' or at the very least information that would somehow help the defense. He is a chameleon, a fence sitter, someone who could change his spots at any time. Don't get me wrong, he is entertaining . Credible is another story. All JMO of course. :smile:

[bchand]

I'm sorry syd, but I thought she went. I thought i read something that indicated she spent the day with the family and they did go see Gramps and when they got back Casey wanted to go out.
Heck, I have read so much I can't distinguish whether it's been read or it was something I wanted to post as a thought. :rolleyes:.
Dang Anthony family will make me almost as crazy.
Anybody??

No Casey did not go. In fact, Cindy's mother said she didn't go to see them much anymore.

You might remember them saying Cindy, Caylee and Casey went swimming when they got home. She changed that later to say Casey didn't go swimming because it was getting too cold IIRC.

[Chardonnay]

May I ask another dumb question? Just what is a zipdrive?

[achristie]

their personalities (disorders) will NOT allow them to feel even the slightest guilt, shame or remorse over what occurred. i don't believe any one of them has a heart or soul.

that baby never had a chance.
I have such mixed feelings about these people. It would be so much easier to be able to write them off completely, but I can't.

I do think they feel guilt, shame and remorse. It's what they do with those feelings. IMO, they compartmentalize and rationalize and suppress.

I would agree that the baby never had a fair chance; too much drama, too much angst, too much psychopathology, too much of too much.

I find her pics unsettling. Those haunting eyes; she seems tired and exhausted in many of them.

MOO Aggie

[bchand]

You know, I don't think I have voiced this opinion before but I have had it in the back of my mind for some time. Here it goes, I have always had a little voice in the back of my mind when listening to Lenny P. that he has some unusual relationship with Baez. During the days when LP was on NG almost daily, some of the things he said almost sounded like he was providing the 'reasonable doubt' or at the very least information that would somehow help the defense. He is a chameleon, a fence sitter, someone who could change his spots at any time. Don't get me wrong, he is entertaining . Credible is another story. All JMO of course. :smile:

Good points.

The most I'll give Lenny is that he IS a character. I can understand your feelings about him. I feel the same about Tony P though too. What was his reason/purpose for going online today to spread the word that Lenny is talking with Baez daily?

Both of them make these moves for a reason. And I don't buy TP's "to get the truth out" story either.

[Amused]

The most surprising part of Tracy's interview, to me, was that the relationship between Cindy and Casey seemed fine.

I expected Tracy to say that they were always bickering and fighting.
The only snide thing she mentioned was the possessiveness over the song.

You would also think that someone who lived in that house would have been driven crazy by Cindy. Weird.

[ruth66]

Good points.

The most I'll give Lenny is that he IS a character. I can understand your feelings about him. I feel the same about Tony P though too. What was his reason/purpose for going online today to spread the word that Lenny is talking with Baez daily?

Both of them make these moves for a reason. And I don't buy TP's "to get the truth out" story either.

Where is TP telling this story at? The whole bunch and stories are questionable. I guess we shouldn't hang out hats on anything any of them say. Seems to be the theme with Casey, Jose and company. JMO

[Amused]

May I ask another dumb question? Just what is a zipdrive?

A portable devise used to store data saved from a computer.

[bchand]

Where is TP telling this story at? The whole bunch and stories are questionable. I guess we shouldn't hang out hats on anything any of them say. Seems to be the theme with Casey, Jose and company. JMO

Let me pm you. I don't want to get in trouble by linking it here.

[Jeepers]

Well Good Evening Everyone:

It took me awhile digest what was being said and not said. I did not think I would post tonight just really could not think of anything to say. All the things we have been saying for over a year now has been confirmed by Lenny & Co.
Things we speculated about, Things we heard, Things we saw.
All I can is these guys spent time with a true monster.
I am hoping that Casey gets what is coming to her be DP or LWOP it does not matter as I have stated that many times. There are worse things in life besides death.
I think George, Cindy and Lee will have a real hard time when all the trials are over and Casey is where she will be. So be it.
I am hoping that all the people that tried to be a good friend to Casey and to the ones that truly loved Casey recover from this nightmare the Anthony's have put them in and enjoy life again before all of this came their way.
I am hoping that Caylee gets her justice here on earth and I hope that she is skipping and chasing butterflies in heaven.
I hope the LE/FBI have learned something from this case and can use their lessons learned for future cases sad but true there will be future cases as we all know.

[ruth66]

The most surprising part of Tracy's interview, to me, was that the relationship between Cindy and Casey seemed fine.

I expected Tracy to say that they were always bickering and fighting.
The only snide thing she mentioned was the possessiveness over the song.You would also think that someone who lived in that house would have been driven crazy by Cindy. Weird.

Bolding mine

I think that Cindy has so many years of experience playing the perfect family role that she is well versed. Never, never let an outsider see your flaws. And that is what she tried desperately to do with the media and LE until she was not able to control them anymore. Once the media and LE had her number she turned her anger out on everyone but Casey because she is vested in making her relationship with Casey appear to be perfect. I think we all see it in those around us, what shocks us is the extreme nature of this family.

[Chardonnay]

A portable devise used to store data saved from a computer.

Thanks Amused... But why would she have that on her lanyard? Sorry, I don't understand computer stuff like that..

[denjet]

May I ask another dumb question? Just what is a zipdrive?
It's also called a flash drive, memory stick ... Plug into USB port ... used for storing data and transferring data
Flash Drives
(http://shop.sandisk.com/DRHM/servlet/ControllerServlet?Action=DisplayCategoryListPage&SiteID=sdiskus&Locale=en_US&Env=BASE&categoryID=11442900)

[denjet]

That was just WEIRD! Casey seems to have the emotional development of a 12 year old. :ohmy:
You're being to kind, I was thinkin 2 year old :wink:

[Jeepers]

Good night everyone, have a good evening, stay safe and say your prayers.

[denjet]

You mean I'm not supposed to wear my watch on my ankle now. Thought it was a new fad?
The new "gangsta" look ... don't cha know ...

[bchand]

Thanks Amused... But why would she have that on her lanyard? Sorry, I don't understand computer stuff like that..

See this photo Chardonnay. It's just a thingie you can plug into a usb port on your computer and be able to carry computer data around from computer to computer.

http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/flashmemory-store/access-lan.jpg

[AnniePie]

ok I just lost it JVM just said is KC a Pathological liar um YEAH that is a no brainer and about the most stupid question I have heard for over a year the whole family is she learned from the best I guess

I missed NG this evening. Did she do anything on Casey tonight?

[bchand]

I missed NG this evening. Did she do anything on Casey tonight?

The few times I paid attention, she was discussing other cases. I didn't hear anything about this case. (I could have missed it. I zone her out sometimes.)

[Chardonnay]

See this photo Chardonnay. It's just a thingie you can plug into a usb port on your computer and be able to carry computer data around from computer to computer.

http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/flashmemory-store/access-lan.jpg

Ohhhhhhhh !! OK, now I understand..! Thanks Bet!

[AnniePie]

Well I just read on the site Tracy doesn't like (STDL) that she's been sending the OC letters and money for her commissary account.

I don't even think there's an emoticon for this.

Do you believe that? When were these interviews done anyway? Tracy said that they only said Howyuhdoing to one another on Facebook one time.

I can't see Tracy sending the OC anything.

[AnniePie]

I'm thinking Tracey is a little confused emotionally. Maybe she feels guilty for bonding with Casey and then giving a truthful interview with investigators? Gee that Casey must be some kinda charismatic. uh huh.

Reverse Stockholm Syndrome? :confused:

[seeing_eye]

You know, I don't think I have voiced this opinion before but I have had it in the back of my mind for some time. Here it goes, I have always had a little voice in the back of my mind when listening to Lenny P. that he has some unusual relationship with Baez. During the days when LP was on NG almost daily, some of the things he said almost sounded like he was providing the 'reasonable doubt' or at the very least information that would somehow help the defense. He is a chameleon, a fence sitter, someone who could change his spots at any time. Don't get me wrong, he is entertaining . Credible is another story. All JMO of course. :smile:

I, too, have always thought LP was entertaining and colorful (reminds me of my late husband!). But some things he says may, in fact, help the defense, such as his "daisy chain." If a jail employee overheard Casey and Jose's conversation and found out where Caylee's body was dumped, then told Kronk who later found it, it could very well cause the body and everything found at the scene thrown out as evidence at the trial.

But I still can't get my head around Lenny purposely helping the defense. I could be wrong.

[AnniePie]

You know, I don't think I have voiced this opinion before but I have had it in the back of my mind for some time. Here it goes, I have always had a little voice in the back of my mind when listening to Lenny P. that he has some unusual relationship with Baez. During the days when LP was on NG almost daily, some of the things he said almost sounded like he was providing the 'reasonable doubt' or at the very least information that would somehow help the defense. He is a chameleon, a fence sitter, someone who could change his spots at any time. Don't get me wrong, he is entertaining . Credible is another story. All JMO of course. :smile:

Hey Ruth... I have to agree with you on this one. I love Lenny, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he turned the tables at the last minute. But he will do it with panache!

[bchand]

Ohhhhhhhh !! OK, now I understand..! Thanks Bet!

yvw..........