9/3 Part Two, 9/4

[Rucky*Ron]

Looks like we're almost up to 1,000 posts on the old thread.
Time for the evening shift!

Anyone have the link to Haleigh's candle site?
TIA

[Justice4all]

I can't wait to see NG tonight

[Justice4all]

Looks like we're almost up to 1,000 posts on the old thread.
Time for the evening shift!

Anyone have the link to Haleigh's candle site?
TIA

no ma'am it's on my other computer:(

[teresa]

I need to correct something I posted. Teresa N is supposed to be on NG tomorrow, not tonight.

I'm so sorry I posted misinformation.

[SleepyHallow]

Anyone care to speculate why Ron lied about picking up Haleigh at the bus stop the day she disappeared?

Thanks.

[Justice4all]

Anyone care to speculate why Ron lied about picking up Haleigh at the bus stop the day she disappeared?

Thanks.

WOW do you have proof he lied?

[Justice4all]

I'm still waiting for the list of "all Ron's lies."

Did I miss it?
It has been several hours since some of us requested it. :shrug:
TIA

Guess I'll have to consider them nonexistent..

MOO

i'll be glad when they can figure out ONE lie.........just one lie Ron told.

[SleepyHallow]

i'll be glad when they can figure out ONE lie.........just one lie Ron told.

I just gave you one.

How about Ron telling the media that he stands behind Misty 100%, yet telling Tim Miller, "that b*tch had something to do with the disappearance of my daughter"
??
Which one is true?

[SleepyHallow]

Can't have it both ways.

I guess because a NAMED LE source didn't come out and say Ron worked his entire shift, (which I know he did not), it's unreliable too.

OK, thanks so much for clearing that up for me. I appreciate it.

[teresa]

Can't have it both ways.

I guess because a NAMED LE source didn't come out and say Ron worked his entire shift, (which I know he did not), it's unreliable too.

OK, thanks so much for clearing that up for me. I appreciate it.

You know he did not work his whole shift?

[Justice4all]

thought i would bring this over


I hope they have told LE that Ron is making those kind of threats.
MO

threats LOL


i don't believe Ron told Crystal that for one moment specially since Crystal says she was caught off guard. Poor Marie and Crystal can't even keep their story straight.

[Justice4all]

Can't have it both ways.

I guess because a NAMED LE source didn't come out and say Ron worked his entire shift, (which I know he did not), it's unreliable too.

OK, thanks so much for clearing that up for me. I appreciate it.

how do you KNOW he didn't work his whole shift?

[Diamond1]

thought i would bring this over




threats LOL


i don't believe Ron told Crystal that for one moment specially since Crystal says she was caught off guard. Poor Marie and Crystal can't even keep their story straight.


I believe he has threaten her numerous times and that one is a mild threat.

Check out the audio at the bottom of this link. TN message to Tim Miller.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5137544.php

[Justice4all]

I believe he has threaten her numerous times and that one is a mild threat.

Check out the audio at the bottom of this link. TN message to Tim Miller.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5137544.php

I heard that........what does TN have to do with Crystal and Marie?

Why would Crystal allow Ron to threaten her? Does he know something about her that we don't know?

[emdragon]

Go to post and thread is closed I really hate when that happens. I always think the worst.

That is the difference in the case, not the fact that both got tatts within the first couple of weeks of a missing child. It is exactly the same.

Do you understand "cutters" at all? They cut themselves to feel the pain- physical pain can briefly allow them to not feel the emotional pain they have. Cutting also allows them to simply feel something.

The same type of thing occurs with tattooing. There is a physical pain that can achieve the same thing as cutting does. And a Tattoo is a permanent commitment. it is an affirmation.

I don't know how to explain it but I can't fault Ron for .it because there are so many layers to the emotional reasons he might have had.
I've always believed it was the only way he could have Haleigh with him.

My husband use to be a tattooist so I've seen a lot and heard a lot from customers. Loved the reasons behind their tattoo's.

Caycee is a whole other ball of whacks

[Justice4all]

It's refreshing to see Crystal is making her own excuses today. :rolleyes:

I admire crystal for taking responsibility but of course marie being marie she wants to blame Ron............shameful IMO

[Pat]

Can't have it both ways.

I guess because a NAMED LE source didn't come out and say Ron worked his entire shift, (which I know he did not), it's unreliable too.

OK, thanks so much for clearing that up for me. I appreciate it.

BBM

We've had the link posted where both LE sources and PDM say not only did Ron work his entire shift, but they've interviewed witnesses who saw him during the course of his shift. Added to the cell phone pings that place him there.

Why do you say he didn't work the entire shift? TIA

[Diamond1]

Go to post and thread is closed I really hate when that happens. I always think the worst.



Do you understand "cutters" at all? They cut themselves to feel the pain- physical pain can briefly allow them to not feel the emotional pain they have. Cutting also allows them to simply feel something.

The same type of thing occurs with tattooing. There is a physical pain that can achieve the same thing as cutting does. And a Tattoo is a permanent commitment. it is an affirmation.

I don't know how to explain it but I can't fault Ron for .it because there are so many layers to the emotional reasons he might have had.
I've always believed it was the only way he could have Haleigh with him.

My husband use to be a tattooist so I've seen a lot and heard a lot from customers. Loved the reasons behind their tattoo's.

Caycee is a whole other ball of whacks


People that get tattoos do not get tattoos for the same reason that people cut themselves. People that cut themselves have a psychological disorder that requires help. They cut themselves to let the inside pain out. They turn their anger inside and that is why they need therapy to deal with their emotions so they can stop hurting themselves.
People that get tattoos are not in the same catergory as those that hurt (cut) themselves.

Nice excuse though.
MO

[Pat]

thought i would bring this over




threats LOL


i don't believe Ron told Crystal that for one moment specially since Crystal says she was caught off guard. Poor Marie and Crystal can't even keep their story straight.

I read the twitter and wonder if what Ron was doing was cautioning Crystal to be careful of what she said on national TV. After all, her experience with Nancy hasn't been good, and Nancy really let her and Picazio have it.

Me? Had I been Crystal I'd have never gone back on Nancy's show, regardless of the inducement. It would have been a win/win for Nancy because of ratings spike, regardless of how controversial she was. It was nothing but lose/lose for Crystal because she doesn't present well on camera. (Flat affect/trouble answering questions)

My oiinion

[Diamond1]

I admire crystal for taking responsibility but of course marie being marie she wants to blame Ron............shameful IMO

Marie knows him better than anyone on this forum does. Lisa Croslin is getting to know him and will have the same feeling about Ron as Marie does if she doesn't already. I bet if we heard from Amber's parents they would have the same feelings and comments about RC. If there are other ex GF's I bet their parents feel the same way about him. No parent wants their daughter mixed up with Ronald Cummings. IMO

[Justice4all]

People that get tattoos do not get tattoos for the same reason that people cut themselves. People that cut themselves have a psychological disorder that requires help. They cut themselves to let the inside pain out. They turn their anger inside and that is why they need therapy to deal with their emotions so they can stop hurting themselves.
People that get tattoos are not in the same catergory as those that hurt (cut) themselves.

Nice excuse though.
MO
Does Ron getting a tattoo mean he's guilty of something?

[emdragon]

People that get tattoos do not get tattoos for the same reason that people cut themselves. People that cut themselves have a psychological disorder that requires help. They cut themselves to let the inside pain out. They turn their anger inside and that is why they need therapy to deal with their emotions so they can stop hurting themselves.
People that get tattoos are not in the same catergory as those that hurt (cut) themselves.

Nice excuse though.
MO

People get tattoo's for the very same reasons.

Just as with cutting Tattoo's allow for pain that lets the person FEEL.
Now please don't tell me I don't know something I have lived personally.

I don't know the reason Ron got a tattoo but I have given examples of some of the reasons he might have had.

[Justice4all]

Marie knows him better than anyone on this forum does. Lisa Croslin is getting to know him and will have the same feeling about Ron as Marie does if she doesn't already. I bet if we heard from Amber's parents they would have the same feelings and comments about RC. If there are other ex GF's I bet their parents feel the same way about him. No parent wants their daughter mixed up with Ronald Cummings. IMO

Didn't Ambers mom beat up Misty?

and lets say ron did tell her that..........How is that a threat? Marie didn't say it was a threat.

It's very apparent there are a few people around here that are obsessed with Ron.


MOO

[Diamond1]

Does Ron getting a tattoo mean he's guilty of something?

No. It was very poor timing. It looked extremely bad because there was a search for Haleigh that day and he was 3 hours away.
MO

[Pat]

I wonder how many witnesses in this case he has just "cautioned"?

And how do we know Marie isn't lying about it?

Now you and I both can wonder. :laugh:

[Justice4all]

No. It was very poor timing. It looked extremely bad because there was a search for Haleigh that day and he was 3 hours away.
MO

I agree poor timing and looked extremely bad. But i think the same can be said for those crack pipes. Doesn't mean either parent did anything bad.

moo

[Diamond1]

People get tattoo's for the very same reasons.

Just as with cutting Tattoo's allow for pain that lets the person FEEL.
Now please don't tell me I don't know something I have lived personally.

I don't know the reason Ron got a tattoo but I have given examples of some of the reasons he might have had.


I know you are not telling me that every person that has ever gotten a tattoo did so because they wanted to feel pain in the same manner as a person who has the condition of cutting themselves.

That is simply not true nor the reason that most people get a tattoo.

Psychologists discussed the reason Casey got a tattoo and never mentioned the reason you provided. They termed her possible cause as denial.

MO

[Justice4all]

And how do we know Marie isn't lying about it?

Now you and I both can wonder. :laugh:

I agree and i think Marie got it wrong when she said Crystal had been in Rons trailer.

[Diamond1]

I agree poor timing and looked extremely bad. But i think the same can be said for those crack pipes. Doesn't mean either parent did anything bad.

moo

Hardly a comparison. The tattoo does belong to Ronald. The crack pipes do not belong to Crystal.
MO

[Pat]

Can't have it both ways.

I guess because a NAMED LE source didn't come out and say Ron worked his entire shift, (which I know he did not), it's unreliable too.

OK, thanks so much for clearing that up for me. I appreciate it.

BBM

In case you missed my other post, I'm asking again, how do you know this? Do you have information that should be passed on to LE?

Just today it has been reported that BOTH LE sources and PDM have verified Ron's time at work...the entire time...through interviews with co-workers and cell tower pings.

If you have real information that this is not true, you need to report it (and we here on the board would love to know, too, of course). It would break this case wide open and completely change the focus of the investigation!

[Justice4all]

Hardly a comparison. The tattoo does belong to Ronald. The crack pipes do not belong to Crystal.
MO

OMG ...........I just said it was bad timing and looked bad. Doesn't matter who they belonged to they were found on property she lives on.

Nevermind....I wasn't blaming Crystal but you want to argue.


have a great time Diamond....be well.

[Justice4all]

You can question her authenticity all you want, but it is my choice to believe her.

So do you not believe Crystal? :confused:

[Justice4all]

What is not believable?

Crystal didn't blame Ron at all she just said she was caught off guard. So which was it Ron told her to say that or she was jut caught off guard.

One has to be lying right?

[Diamond1]

Good review video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUKkhLHyO_s

[Lynn Gweeny]

CONFIRMED; MISTY CUMMINGS IS A LIAR

The day the voice analysis and hypnosis was to occur (a few days after the polygraph) there was actually a point that Misty did get cold feet.

http://stephww.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/confirmed-misty-cummings-is-a-liar/

[Diamond1]

Crystal didn't blame Ron at all she just said she was caught off guard. So which was it Ron told her to say that or she was jut caught off guard.

One has to be lying right?


Why does one have to be lying? It could be both reasons.

[Justice4all]

No, omitting information she didnt want to share is not lying.

So do you think Ron threaten Crystal and told her that she needed to watch what she said or told to people?


To me is just doesn't sound like a threat.

[Justice4all]

CONFIRMED; MISTY CUMMINGS IS A LIAR

The day the voice analysis and hypnosis was to occur (a few days after the polygraph) there was actually a point that Misty did get cold feet.

http://stephww.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/confirmed-misty-cummings-is-a-liar/

I just have a funny feeling she's going to be arrested soon.

[Justice4all]

Yes I believe it and NO I do not think he was just worried about how she would look on NG.

So you think Ron is still threaten Crystal and telling her what to do? I wonder why he has that kind of power over her. She really should file charges then.


MOO

[baywench]

So do you think Ron threaten Crystal and told her that she needed to watch what she said or told to people?


To me is just doesn't sound like a threat.

Why do either one of them go on Nancy Grace? They never provide more information that will help find Haleigh, in fact most of the time they have a monotone "I don't know". I think they are a match made in heaven and I am astounded they are not still together :rolleyes: I think Ron said the things he is credited with to TM about Misty and I think he also says he believes her. I think Ron doesn't know what he thinks on any given day. Misty...very consistent...she's completely inconsistent. How do any of these people have a normal conversation? Yikes. jmo

[baywench]

Crystal didn't blame Ron at all she just said she was caught off guard. So which was it Ron told her to say that or she was jut caught off guard.

One has to be lying right?


Nope I think they both could right. Ron cautioned her about what she should say and she was caught off guard. jmo

[Justice4all]

He has that kind of power because it could affect her relationship with JR.

ohhhhhh ok. so if Ron told her not to talk why did she even go on NG's show?

[tia marie]

I read the twitter and wonder if what Ron was doing was cautioning Crystal to be careful of what she said on national TV. After all, her experience with Nancy hasn't been good, and Nancy really let her and Picazio have it.

Me? Had I been Crystal I'd have never gone back on Nancy's show, regardless of the inducement. It would have been a win/win for Nancy because of ratings spike, regardless of how controversial she was. It was nothing but lose/lose for Crystal because she doesn't present well on camera. (Flat affect/trouble answering questions)

My oiinion



"Flat affect, troubling answering questions"...a classic example of a mentally and physically abused woman.

moo

[Justice4all]

Nope I think they both could right. Ron cautioned her about what she should say and she was caught off guard. jmo

Ohhh yeah i agree with that. but a poster earlier said it was a THREAT,..and i'm just not buying that.


moo

[baywench]

"Flat affect, troubling answering questions"...a classic example of a mentally and physically abused woman.

moo

To be fair, they could also be classic examples of someone disinterested and self-absorbed jmo

[Justice4all]

"Flat affect, troubling answering questions"...a classic example of a mentally and physically abused woman.

moo

Also signs of a woman that has done too many drugs in her life time.


MOO

[baywench]

Ohhh yeah i agree with that. but a poster earlier said it was a THREAT,..and i'm just not buying that.


moo


Now Justice, you know how easily intimidated and influenced poor Crystal is :cursing:

[Pat]

"Flat affect, troubling answering questions"...a classic example of a mentally and physically abused woman.

moo

Or permanent side effect of prolonged drug abuse.

[baywench]

I do not think that is fair considering Crystal is not uninterested in what happened to Haleigh but that is a more accurate description of Misty.


I respect your opinion, however the Crystal as a victim card is wearing thin. If she was so afraid of Ron why didn't she pay her child support? I would think that would make her vulnerable to his wrath. jmo

[aproudmom]

Suddenly my fav's link for her site won't work. Guess I'll have to dig it up and post it.

NG:
Me too! TN will be interesting after listening to that call to Tim Miller.
Hope she can talk about what is going on!

who is going to be on TN I did not know that..wow

[tia marie]

I do not think that is fair considering Crystal is not uninterested in what happened to Haleigh but that is a more accurate description of Misty.

I hardly think Crystal is "self absorbed" unless you count how she fears the hold Ron has over her for the only child she has left from their union. IMO, Ron has played Crystal like a piano for years. Its going to take a long time for Crystal to get away from that mindset. I think she is beginning to emerge, I see small samplings of that. Like when she told NG last night, " I heard it on your show Nancy".

moo

[Justice4all]

Now Justice, you know how easily intimidated and influenced poor Crystal is :cursing:

Ohhh I almost forgot. Thank Goodness you reminded me lol

It's amazing the excuses that they come up with for her....:scared:

[FrankieBones1]

From NG's Facebook:

Nancy Grace Tonight: Haleigh’s parents have both spoken out to claims babysitter/stepmom Misty Croslin flunks a polygraph! Now law enforcement sources reportedly confirm a big fight between Haleigh’s dad & stepmom the night she vanished! With Haleigh still m...issing, what do you guys think of the key players: Ronald Cummings, Crystal Sheffield & Misty Croslin?

Who will be on? Anyone know?

I don't put much credence into LE 'sources'. I heard someone on HLN, possibly Mike Galanos, say earlier that there was a knock-down, full out fight in regards to the phone call between Ronald and Misty. I'm guessing that some LE 'source' gave him that information. I call it sensationalism.

Would love to see on cable news show bring on someone that actually is 'law enforcement'.
In my most humble opinion.

[emdragon]

I know you are not telling me that every person that has ever gotten a tattoo did so because they wanted to feel pain in the same manner as a person who has the condition of cutting themselves.

That is simply not true nor the reason that most people get a tattoo.

Psychologists discussed the reason Casey got a tattoo and never mentioned the reason you provided. They termed her possible cause as denial.

MO

No I am saying it is one of the reasons.
I am also saying that people get addicted to the pain involved in getting a tattoo.
the same way people can not control the cutting.

I'm really tired of arguing with you.
What I wrote I have lived and your opinion doesn't change that.

If I say the sky is blue you are going to say it is green.
No point in going around and around.

[aproudmom]

I respect your opinion, however the Crystal as a victim card is wearing thin. If she was so afraid of Ron why didn't she pay her child support? I would think that would make her vulnerable to his wrath. jmo

we all have our opinions..sorry I do not agree being afraid of him and paying support is 2 different things I guess you have never been abused or never raised a child with out support..the money meant nothing to me I am still owed 18yr worth but he is the one that lost out not me but I always wished he had got off the drugs and stopped beating women and see his only child..I do not see how anyone can say CS does not care that her daughter is missing and more than likely dead and that happened under Misty's care..JMO

[Themis]

Why do either one of them go on Nancy Grace? They never provide more information that will help find Haleigh, in fact most of the time they have a monotone "I don't know". I think they are a match made in heaven and I am astounded they are not still together :rolleyes: I think Ron said the things he is credited with to TM about Misty and I think he also says he believes her. I think Ron doesn't know what he thinks on any given day. Misty...very consistent...she's completely inconsistent. How do any of these people have a normal conversation? Yikes. jmo
Post Of The Day!:thumbsup:

I agree with you 100%. I can only hope none of these people have any more children. [JMO * Themis]

[Justice4all]

(scroll down @ link) Additional information added

http://stephww.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/confirmed-misty-cummings-is-a-liar/

WOW i do hope they get the truck and process it.

TY for the link.

[emdragon]

"Flat affect, troubling answering questions"...a classic example of a mentally and physically abused woman.

moo

Chads abusing Crystal?

[aproudmom]

People get tattoo's for the very same reasons.

Just as with cutting Tattoo's allow for pain that lets the person FEEL.
Now please don't tell me I don't know something I have lived personally.

I don't know the reason Ron got a tattoo but I have given examples of some of the reasons he might have had.

I have also heard people say that...of course not all people do my angel tats and kids names had nothing do do with wanting pain but I have heard people say that before..

[baywench]

I hardly think Crystal is "self absorbed" unless you count how she fears the hold Ron has over her for the only child she has left from their union. IMO, Ron has played Crystal like a piano for years. Its going to take a long time for Crystal to get away from that mindset. I think she is beginning to emerge, I see small samplings of that. Like when she told NG last night, " I heard it on your show Nancy".

moo


She couldn't bother to get out of bed for court or to take Haleigh to the doctor. How is that a sign of being a victim? I don't think for one second she wanted full custody of those two children. It is not as if the world conspired against her to keep her children away. Ron is no prize either, in case you think I am on Ron's "side". I am on Haleigh's side and only conspiracy imo is that the universe conspired to give her these parents. There are no heroes in this story yet. Tim Miller I believe is the closest and I think he is at the end of his rope. jmo

[Lqqkout]

has there been any info on Ron's questioning last night with LE?

[Scampi]

Thanks for that link Lynn. So now the question becomes, why are all these people circling the wagons around misty now, when they were so sure a few days ago she had something to do with
Haleigh's disappearance? Any guesses?

[Tracian]

So now Ron threatened Crystal...okie dokie.

At this point, after all the twitters Marie has posted making accusations against Ron, why wouldn't they report that to LE, and when they were on NG's show, say..."Ron threatened me, I have reported this to the police"

[Pat]

Chads abusing Crystal?

Do we know if he is even still in the picture? He seems to have dropped off the face of the earth and I've never seen anything mentioned about him since we first heard HaLeigh went missing. Has he ever been seen with Crystal at the HaLeighbug Center or other events?

I've wondered for awhile if he's gone. Anyone know?

[emdragon]

I have also heard people say that...of course not all people do my angel tats and kids names had nothing do do with wanting pain but I have heard people say that before..

No I never implied that was the reason for all tats.

The Angel and names is a perfect example of commitment.

Hey some people get them for kicks or because they are the in thing.

Many reasons to get a tattoo.

I was giving an example of what could have been going on with Ron.

[Tracian]

Thanks for that link Lynn. So now the question becomes, why are all these people circling the wagons around misty now, when they were so sure a few days ago she had something to do with
Haleigh's disappearance? Any guesses?


So far I have not seen anything in regards to Ron or any other family member slamming Tim...Gosh, who knows...I just wish something would break soon.

[Justice4all]

Chads abusing Crystal?

With his long history of Domestic Violence i wouldn't be surprised :(


moo

[aproudmom]

"Flat affect, troubling answering questions"...a classic example of a mentally and physically abused woman.

moo

I am sure any abused women would agree with you and ITA I have said from very early on CS shows signs of mental/physical abuse..I can only give my opinion from being abused for 5yrs and working at a shelter for abused women,...so it is just my views not that I know for a fact..I would have rather got a beating any day than deal with mental abuse and most women/men will tell you that....

[FrankieBones1]

Paraphrased from the TOS:

YOU are responsible for everything you post.

So continue to post opinions as facts that are slanderous and the next person you hear from will NOT be ME.

You get upset if we delete some comments yet we do it for your protection from any legal action than can be taken. This has gone on too long & no need to report them to me anymore, there are other forums whose posters respect an instruction so you take your chance on here.

Good Luck.

Thanks! Just a quick question....
Does this mean we are not to use the 'report to moderator' button anymore?

[tia marie]

Chads abusing Crystal?

Oh stop that. I expected better from you. How facetious.

mooo

[*Pia]

I respect your opinion, however the Crystal as a victim card is wearing thin. If she was so afraid of Ron why didn't she pay her child support? I would think that would make her vulnerable to his wrath. jmo

Great point!

[Lynn Gweeny]

Prime News 9/2/09 Haleigh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwunlJ93I9s

[emdragon]

Do we know if he is even still in the picture? He seems to have dropped off the face of the earth and I've never seen anything mentioned about him since we first heard HaLeigh went missing. Has he ever been seen with Crystal at the HaLeighbug Center or other events?

I've wondered for awhile if he's gone. Anyone know?

Good question actually. Even in the press release Misty, Ron and Crystal were named but not Chad.

(i was just being sarcastic, it's a family trait ;) )

[emdragon]

Very simply that is a sign of depression. Well known.

It is also a sign of the end of a meth binge.

We don't know why she didn't get out of bed she simply told the judge she didn't.

[HouseOfClark]

Thanks for that link Lynn. So now the question becomes, why are all these people circling the wagons around misty now, when they were so sure a few days ago she had something to do with
Haleigh's disappearance? Any guesses?

I know I need to read back, but Whaaaaaaat?

What about the secret phone calls? "She's starting to crack" and all that jazz? Why the calls to Tim Miller?

JMO

[tia marie]

I am sure any abused women would agree with you and ITA I have said from very early on CS shows signs of mental/physical abuse..I can only give my opinion from being abused for 5yrs and working at a shelter for abused women,...so it is just my views not that I know for a fact..I would have rather got a beating any day than deal with mental abuse and most women/men will tell you that....

Thank you for that. I'm sorry you were exposed to such. Its not a cake walk for any woman to emerge from such abuse. The spirit is broken for a long time, sometimes forever. I suppose those that never suffered it can't relate, understandably.

[baywench]

I am sure any abused women would agree with you and ITA I have said from very early on CS shows signs of mental/physical abuse..I can only give my opinion from being abused for 5yrs and working at a shelter for abused women,...so it is just my views not that I know for a fact..I would have rather got a beating any day than deal with mental abuse and most women/men will tell you that....


I am sorry for your abuse but you can not speak for all abused women. We are all different and we all handle things differently. That is true of any person handling anything thing. She doesn't seem abused to me. She has been away from Ron for awhile. Is she ever going to get empowered? She does not empower herself at all. She is willing to just drift along instead of facing life head on. Facing life headon would take some effort on her part, maybe that is why. Many, Many of us have done, and with children. And managed to get away and fight like hell against the abuser. jmo

[tia marie]

Thanks! Just a quick question....
Does this mean we are not to use the 'report to moderator' button anymore?

Hopefully the answer is yes. We've lost some good posters due to the tricky finger on the triangle.

I love to read two sides, not just one, don't you?

[HouseOfClark]

CONFIRMED; MISTY CUMMINGS IS A LIAR

The day the voice analysis and hypnosis was to occur (a few days after the polygraph) there was actually a point that Misty did get cold feet.

http://stephww.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/confirmed-misty-cummings-is-a-liar/

Didn't Misty get "cold feet" when Cobra wanted her to do the walk through?

[CFMom]

Hopefully the answer is yes. We've lost some good posters due to the tricky finger on the triangle.

I love to read two sides, not just one, don't you?

I agree. Tattle_tales suck.

[baywench]

Hopefully the answer is yes. We've lost some good posters due to the tricky finger on the triangle.

I love to read two sides, not just one, don't you?


Agree with you 100% on this. We can disagree but still respect each other's opinions. This boards are monitored wether you hit the report button or not. jmo

[baywench]

I agree. Tattle_tales suck.


Now CFMom, don't hold back, tell us what you really think lol.

[CFMom]

Now CFMom, don't hold back, tell us what you really think lol.

:cursing::cursing::cursing: lol

[Themis]

Prime News 9/2/09 Haleigh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwunlJ93I9s
I am shocked about the conflicting comments by Teresa N.
On August 18, she supposedly left a voice mail (I listened to it) saying Misty was, paraphrasing, about ready to break. The link to that can be found in 9/3, Part One.

Now, according to this woman (didn't catch her name) she talked directly to Teresa today (meaning 9/2) and told the reporter(?) that 'no, Ron has no problem with Misty's story line.':ohmy:

Help me out here -- do I need to go in for a hearing test? [JMO * Themis]

[Justice4all]

Thanks! Just a quick question....
Does this mean we are not to use the 'report to moderator' button anymore?

I hope the answers yes

I'm still shocked people can be banned for things they say in PMs

[HouseOfClark]

Ohhh I almost forgot. Thank Goodness you reminded me lol

It's amazing the excuses that they come up with for her....:scared:

It's amazing the diagnostic abilities of people here too!

Cutting, wanting to feel pain, years of drug abuse....

What next?

[CFMom]

I hope the answers yes

I'm still shocked people can be banned for things they say in PMs

They can?????:scared:

[Lqqkout]

WOW i do hope they get the truck and process it.

TY for the link.

Well, it's about time isn't it? What did it take to investigate this little tidbit, a new group of LE with fresh eyes?

[Justice4all]

I am shocked about the conflicting comments by Teresa N.
On August 18, she supposedly left a voice mail (I listened to it) saying Misty was, paraphrasing, about ready to break. The link to that can be found in 9/3, Part One.

Now, according to this woman (didn't catch her name) she talked directly to Teresa today (meaning 9/2) and told the reporter(?) that 'no, Ron has no problem with Misty's story line.':ohmy:

Help me out here -- do I need to go in for a hearing test? [JMO * Themis]

I heard that earlier and was shocked. Does TN not know we've all heard her Voice message to TM?

[baywench]

I am shocked about the conflicting comments by Teresa N.
On August 18, she supposedly left a voice mail (I listened to it) saying Misty was, paraphrasing, about ready to break. The link to that can be found in 9/3, Part One.

Now, according to this woman (didn't catch her name) she talked directly to Teresa today (meaning 9/2) and told the reporter(?) that 'no, Ron has no problem with Misty's story line.':ohmy:

Help me out here -- do I need to go in for a hearing test? [JMO * Themis]


I think they all need a "speaking" test. You are alright. For some reason they are playing the flute or playing the harp. Maybe they didn't think Tim would reveal what they said?? Maybe they think if there is enough confusion Misty will not know who she can trust??? jmo

[HouseOfClark]

I am shocked about the conflicting comments by Teresa N.
On August 18, she supposedly left a voice mail (I listened to it) saying Misty was, paraphrasing, about ready to break. The link to that can be found in 9/3, Part One.

Now, according to this woman (didn't catch her name) she talked directly to Teresa today (meaning 9/2) and told the reporter(?) that 'no, Ron has no problem with Misty's story line.':ohmy:

Help me out here -- do I need to go in for a hearing test? [JMO * Themis]


Nope, no hearing test required, that was Marianne Schiavo (sp?) one of HLN's producers.

Said if Ron had a problem with Misty's story or thought she was involved, he wouldn't' still be with her.

IOW, "Move along, there's nothing to see here!"

[Lynn Gweeny]

I am shocked about the conflicting comments by Teresa N.
On August 18, she supposedly left a voice mail (I listened to it) saying Misty was, paraphrasing, about ready to break. The link to that can be found in 9/3, Part One.

Now, according to this woman (didn't catch her name) she talked directly to Teresa today (meaning 9/2) and told the reporter(?) that 'no, Ron has no problem with Misty's story line.':ohmy:

Help me out here -- do I need to go in for a hearing test? [JMO * Themis]

This was being tweeted but the portion of Teresa Neves being on Prime News isn't in the recorded You Tube video but hopefully a video will be available later?

TN confirms to Prime News in regards to this rumored 'big argument' the night Haleigh went missing... "lot of conversation"...

Prime News reports TN says RC would never protect anyone who he thought harmed Haleigh.

[Justice4all]

They can?????:scared:

yeah sure can...i'll pm you but don't report me for harassment. ok?

[HouseOfClark]

Well, it's about time isn't it? What did it take to investigate this little tidbit, a new group of LE with fresh eyes?

Not LE, Misty told about the truck to Tim's people.

I don't think she ever mentioned it to LE.

(And this is the first we're hearing that Tommy, while he was at the house that evening, was smoking pot. Wonder why Misty never mentioned that little tidbit?)

[SleepyHallow]

I agree poor timing and looked extremely bad. But i think the same can be said for those crack pipes. Doesn't mean either parent did anything bad.

moo
I know I read this wrong, I just know it. Are you comparing Ron getting a memorial tattoo to a crack pipe that was found in an abandoned vehicle that belonged to nobody in the Sheffield/Griffis family?
LOL...I know that's not what you meant.

[CFMom]

:crying:

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m3d8-Psychic-claims-she-watched-Haleigh-Cummings-kidnapping

[jammies]

It's amazing the diagnostic abilities of people here too!

Cutting, wanting to feel pain, years of drug abuse....

What next?



Bush's fault? :shrug:

[aproudmom]

With his long history of Domestic Violence i wouldn't be surprised :(


moo

has there ever been anything reported by CS? I sure hope she would not get into a abusive relationship but alot of times women end up with what they are used to:sad:.

[HouseOfClark]

Bush's fault? :shrug:

LOL

:laugh:

[Pat]

Hopefully the answer is yes. We've lost some good posters due to the tricky finger on the triangle.

I love to read two sides, not just one, don't you?

They always come back with a new name, anyway.

[SleepyHallow]

I don't put much credence into LE 'sources'. I heard someone on HLN, possibly Mike Galanos, say earlier that there was a knock-down, full out fight in regards to the phone call between Ronald and Misty. I'm guessing that some LE 'source' gave him that information. I call it sensationalism.

Would love to see on cable news show bring on someone that actually is 'law enforcement'.
In my most humble opinion.

I totally agree. This "sources close to the investigation" thing is getting old, IMO.

[aproudmom]

Bush's fault? :shrug:

:laugh:omg sorry I had to laugh....the little shrug man gets me everytime

[baywench]

Bush's fault? :shrug:

Dang it Jammies, that's the third keyboard this month. I am going to have to buy waterproof keyboards but 'cos I'm not quitting drinkin.

[Themis]

Thank you all for responding; I mean that.
I was seriously doubting my hearing and my memory bank.

I am so done with every adult in Putnam and Baker counties. Just have had it with all of them.

Signing off - I need a break and I cannot really help Haleigh or Jr. They were -- and are -- at the mercy of these people. [JMO * Themis]

P.S. Thanks, HouseOfClark, for giving me the name of Marianne Schiavo

[Pat]

It's amazing the diagnostic abilities of people here too!

Cutting, wanting to feel pain, years of drug abuse....

What next?

Partner abuse? Child abuse?

[Justice4all]

I know I read this wrong, I just know it. Are you comparing Ron getting a memorial tattoo to a crack pipe that was found in an abandoned vehicle that belonged to nobody in the Sheffield/Griffis family?
LOL...I know that's not what you meant.

that was NOT an abandon vehicle...that was one of their friends trucks parked in front of one of the trailers........i wonder who's trailer it was parked in front of.


ohhhhhhhhhh ohhhhhhhhhhh can i guess?

what is a memorial tattoo? and is it against the law to have a tattoo?

[HouseOfClark]

I see nothing wrong with that question. Didn't Chad have a restraining order against him at one time?

My thoughts and opinions

So did Ronald, but apparently it's not supposed to mean anything.

:shrug:

[HouseOfClark]

Partner abuse? Child abuse?

Coming down from meth highs.

[FrankieBones1]

They always come back with a new name, anyway.Hi, Pat.

Unfortunately ,for the most part. Some have multi nics, too. It's great discussing this case with folks that are here for Haleigh and not here just to be right.

May she be found soon.
:rose:

[aproudmom]

Hopefully the answer is yes. We've lost some good posters due to the tricky finger on the triangle.

I love to read two sides, not just one, don't you?

I think it is sad to tell you the truth I would NEVER report anyone unless they were attacking posters and we have lost alot of posters over nit picking IMO

[tia marie]

They always come back with a new name, anyway.

Maybe so, but why does it have to get to that point. It just makes CW job harder. Tolerance and respect should be a crieteria here, and not a goal to elimanate an enemy that has a different perspective of what you or anyone has. I love to read the diverse views, it makes me think and review my original position.

What a boring place this would be if everyone was of the same mind.

[baywench]

Not LE, Misty told about the truck to Tim's people.

I don't think she ever mentioned it to LE.

(And this is the first we're hearing that Tommy, while he was at the house that evening, was smoking pot. Wonder why Misty never mentioned that little tidbit?)


Does anyone know the extent of Haleigh's asthma? How sensitive she was to smoke? I don't remember that ever being posted. The pot made me thing of it. jmo

[FrankieBones1]

Hopefully the answer is yes. We've lost some good posters due to the tricky finger on the triangle.

I love to read two sides, not just one, don't you?

I love to read both sides when there isn't slanderous or libelous crud being tossed in. I am wise enough to know the difference between real and fake.

I am here for Haleigh. Who are you here for?

[Pat]

I hope the answers yes

I'm still shocked people can be banned for things they say in PMs

You shouldn't be. I wondered how long the PM system would remain truly private, given how it has been abused for years. For most of the time I was a member of CourtTV and InSessions, I didn't allow PMs for that very reason. I only turned it back on when abusive PMs could be reported and action taken. It was only a matter of time before CNN covered itself and put something in place to stop the offenders.

I'm glad people who harass and abuse others through the PM system can now be reported.

[emdragon]

That has never even been suggested before now. Where do you come up with this?

Simply saying that the signs people want to assign to abuse and depression are also signs of coming off a meth binge.

I never said Crystal was on a binge. In fact if you read my post I said we don't know why she wouldn't get up.

There are a many reasons for us to try and guess what they were is silly because we will never know.

[aproudmom]

I hope the answers yes

I'm still shocked people can be banned for things they say in PMs

Really I never knew that..but never got any hate PM's new one for me did not know that...usually I only PM when I get grumpy and apologize :confused:

[baywench]

I believe now the FDLE is directly involved and not just on the sidelines.


My thoughts and opinions

I sure hope you are right.

[aproudmom]

I love to read both sides when there isn't slanderous or libelous crud being tossed in. I am wise enough to know the difference between real and fake.

I am here for Haleigh. Who are you here for?

my bolding

Aw Frankie you just said it all and that is why I am here also for that little girl NAMED HALEIGH :wub:

well I am going to watch BB but ITA with you and why we all should be here...and most are

[Justice4all]

Really I never knew that..but never got any hate PM's new one for me did not know that...usually I only PM when I get grumpy and apologize :confused:

well trust me you can be banned for pms if the other person says you are harassing them. even if they send you a mean pm first. like CW said i should have reported the poster before she reported me.


With that being said i need to go finish dinner.

I'll be back after i watch NG .

[emdragon]

I see nothing wrong with that question. Didn't Chad have a restraining order against him at one time?

My thoughts and opinions

Seriously I was kidding when i said Chad.

Just heading off the inevitable Ron did it.

[baywench]

You shouldn't be. I wondered how long the PM system would remain truly private, given how it has been abused for years. For most of the time I was a member of CourtTV and InSessions, I didn't allow PMs for that very reason. I only turned it back on when abusive PMs could be reported and action taken. It was only a matter of time before CNN covered itself and put something in place to stop the offenders.

I'm glad people who harass and abuse others through the PM system can now be reported.


Why not just put them on ignore and block their PMs? Posters with that much lack of control will end up getting banned anyway. Moderators are really busy. jmo

[Lqqkout]

That has never even been suggested before now. Where do you come up with this?

It was as good as suspecting depression. Neither have been intimated, so both are equal suspicions. Mine was she just didn't want to...12 times

[*Pia]

If this story of the red truck is true, has it been picked up yet? If not, what are they waiting for? Why would a blogger know about it before LE had a chance to pick it up?

[panman]

"Flat affect, troubling answering questions"...a classic example of a mentally and physically abused woman.

moo

Who was abused?

[Pat]

Why not just put them on ignore and block their PMs? Posters with that much lack of control will end up getting banned anyway. Moderators are really busy. jmo

I only got one, really nasty, when I first joined. I never knew what prompted it. I'm not sure it was even meant for me. But I do remember posters complaining bitterly about PMs on a couple of particularly contentious cases...were we able to block specific posters back in the CTV days? I thought it was all or nothing.

[baywench]

I only got one, really nasty, when I first joined. I never knew what prompted it. I'm not sure it was even meant for me. But I do remember posters complaining bitterly about PMs on a couple of particularly contentious cases...were we able to block specific posters back in the CTV days? I thought it was all or nothing.


I think so, I really only pm'd with one person and I loved her :wub:. Glad you are not having a problem now. It always amazes how visceral some can become about a message board. Your posts are very well thought out, I am glad you stayed. jmo

[panman]

It's amazing the diagnostic abilities of people here too!

Cutting, wanting to feel pain, years of drug abuse....

What next?

I guess you missed all the excuses given for Crystal. I haven't.

[Lqqkout]

I am shocked about the conflicting comments by Teresa N.
On August 18, she supposedly left a voice mail (I listened to it) saying Misty was, paraphrasing, about ready to break. The link to that can be found in 9/3, Part One.

Now, according to this woman (didn't catch her name) she talked directly to Teresa today (meaning 9/2) and told the reporter(?) that 'no, Ron has no problem with Misty's story line.':ohmy:

Help me out here -- do I need to go in for a hearing test? [JMO * Themis]

Maybe Teresa never expected her voice mail to be aired on TV and the interview she did. Makes a difference especially if the family doesn't want to say anything to scare Misty away, but rather to lull her into a false sense of security. IMO, that is why Ron still supports Misty on TV, but not other times such as with Tim, because he doesn't think his private conversations will be made public.

[aproudmom]

well trust me you can be banned for pms if the other person says you are harassing them. even if they send you a mean pm first. like CW said i should have reported the poster before she reported me.


With that being said i need to go finish dinner.

I'll be back after i watch NG .

wow did not know that but like I said I have never got any guess I better hush or my inbox will be full..I just see no reason for sending someone a nasty PM so guessing it has happened to you sorry to hear that...and I do mean it..see ya in a bit thanks for that info I had no idea...I have never hit the report button either I just log off...so who is on NG tonight? I guess I will catch it later on

[Lqqkout]

Bush's fault? :shrug:

ITA :w00t:

[Lqqkout]

well trust me you can be banned for pms if the other person says you are harassing them. even if they send you a mean pm first. like CW said i should have reported the poster before she reported me.


With that being said i need to go finish dinner.

I'll be back after i watch NG .

I wish people would act like adults instead of children running to mommy.

I have never reported anyone either.

[panman]

The excuse for Crystal not being able to answer questions on Nancy Grace last night.

My opinions

Oh no, not again.

[Lqqkout]

Not LE, Misty told about the truck to Tim's people.

I don't think she ever mentioned it to LE.

(And this is the first we're hearing that Tommy, while he was at the house that evening, was smoking pot. Wonder why Misty never mentioned that little tidbit?)

What I meant was this tidbit was made public last week. What took so long to investigate? Of course it was Misty who said it the same day as the plastic red rose fiasco.

[jljayne]

<snip>

Let's light a candle for Haleigh!

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=HAMC

Beautiful idea! I've gone to the site and lit one for her. Will also light one for her in the quiet of my own home. I don't know where Haleigh is now - she could be anywhere on earth - but the light of love from my candle will radiate into the air in all directions and cover the globe, so my love will reach her, wherever she may be.

[Pat]

Maybe Teresa never expected her voice mail to be aired on TV and the interview she did. Makes a difference especially if the family doesn't want to say anything to scare Misty away, but rather to lull her into a false sense of security. IMO, that is why Ron still supports Misty on TV, but not other times such as with Tim, because he doesn't think his private conversations will be made public.

Frankly, I've been quite surprised at what has gone on, regarding the release of the videos, results and phone conversations to the public.

Does anyone know what prompted this? I don't mean speculation, I'm talking about Tim going public with it all.

To tell the truth, if he thought he needed a videographer to protect himself, he should have probably just stuck with the searches and let the Cummings get help through another lawyer. I have an uneasy feeling this is going to end badly.

[Lqqkout]

I believe now the FDLE is directly involved and not just on the sidelines.


My thoughts and opinions

Sorry for my ignorance, but what is FDLE? thanks

[SleepyHallow]

Sorry for my ignorance, but what is FDLE? thanks
I believe it's Florida Dept of Law Enforcement

[Lynn Gweeny]

Sorry for my ignorance, but what is FDLE? thanks


Florida Department of Law Enforcement
http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/Content/home.aspx

[baywench]

As much as you may not believe it, I do realilze this isn't my board lol That being said, in a week where we finally heard some real information on the only real suspect so far in this case, why are we still arguing about Ron and Crystal. Misty is in trouble I believe. She is making alot of mistakes now, although I am not sure what Tim is doing by bring everything into the light, I like it. I am OK with it. Many liars and game players in both families. In fact, I was trying to think today of one single family member I would believe if they told me the sky was blue. Used to be GGM Sykes but not anymore. I don't know why I expected this case to end with any kind of dignity for Haleigh. It will end with mud-slinging, mind numbing finger pointing until the truth is finally revealed. jmo

[Lqqkout]

Frankly, I've been quite surprised at what has gone on, regarding the release of the videos, results and phone conversations to the public.

Does anyone know what prompted this? I don't mean speculation, I'm talking about Tim going public with it all.

To tell the truth, if he thought he needed a videographer to protect himself, he should have probably just stuck with the searches and let the Cummings get help through another lawyer. I have an uneasy feeling this is going to end badly.

I have wondered the very same thing. For Tim to go public with the rantings of Ron against Misty and Tim's private voice mails, to me puts the finding of Haleigh in jeopardy, but that is because I believe Ron is trying to appease Misty so she will not bolt. I also believe that is why he married her. I sure hope Tim Miller knows what he is doing.

[Pat]

FDLE = Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

They are charged with overseeing all state law enforcement agencies.

Sounds like Putnam County Sheriff's Office is no longer in charge of this case.

[Pat]

As much as you may not believe it, I do realilze this isn't my board lol That being said, in a week where we finally heard some real information on the only real suspect so far in this case, why are we still arguing about Ron and Crystal. Misty is in trouble I believe. She is making alot of mistakes now, although I am not sure what Tim is doing by bring everything into the light, I like it. I am OK with it. Many liars and game players in both families. In fact, I was trying to think today of one single family member I would believe if they told me the sky was blue. Used to be GGM Sykes but not anymore. I don't know why I expected this case to end with any kind of dignity for Haleigh. It will end with mud-slinging, mind numbing finger pointing until the truth is finally revealed. jmo

The mud-slinging, mind numbing finger pointing will NEVER end, IMO. It was going on long before HaLeigh went missing and it will continue long after this case is either solved or gone cold. Someone has to want to break the cycle, and it looks to me as if everyone has been just fine with the status quo for years.

Such a crying shame for the children.

[Diamond1]

I have wondered the very same thing. For Tim to go public with the rantings of Ron against Misty and Tim's private voice mails, to me puts the finding of Haleigh in jeopardy, but that is because I believe Ron is trying to appease Misty so she will not bolt. I also believe that is why he married her. I sure hope Tim Miller knows what he is doing.

LE could bring her back if she did bolt.

[baywench]

The mud-slinging, mind numbing finger pointing will NEVER end, IMO. It was going on long before HaLeigh went missing and it will continue long after this case is either solved or gone cold. Someone has to want to break the cycle, and it looks to me as if everyone has been just fine with the status quo for years.

Such a crying shame for the children.


Post of the day Pat. You are right. I think even once she is found they will eventually go back to the same old patterns of disfunction. I believe Haleigh is in a peacfull place now. jmo

[Viva4Haleigh]

Just reading up- any info on this Larry story?

[baywench]

I have wondered the very same thing. For Tim to go public with the rantings of Ron against Misty and Tim's private voice mails, to me puts the finding of Haleigh in jeopardy, but that is because I believe Ron is trying to appease Misty so she will not bolt. I also believe that is why he married her. I sure hope Tim Miller knows what he is doing.


i can't help but think this all being orchestrated by LE to finally break this all wide open. No more secret deals, divide and conquer, keep the pressure on her from every angle. How it works, apparently the make her feel safe strategy wasn't going anywhere. jmo

[Viva4Haleigh]

No Haleigh tonight on Nancy?

Tragic-

[panman]

Frankly, I've been quite surprised at what has gone on, regarding the release of the videos, results and phone conversations to the public.

Does anyone know what prompted this? I don't mean speculation, I'm talking about Tim going public with it all.

To tell the truth, if he thought he needed a videographer to protect himself, he should have probably just stuck with the searches and let the Cummings get help through another lawyer. I have an uneasy feeling this is going to end badly.

I don't know what prompted all this, but I can see where trusting someone down the road might be a problem.
jmo

[Pat]

LE could bring her back if she did bolt.

I'd like to think so, but on what charges? They can't arrest her now (no probable case) and FL LE seems to be reluctant to arrest people for lying or hindering an official investigation (Cindy and George Anthony, case in point...Cindy sat there and told bare faced lies to the FBI, for God's sake!).

I don't know how they could bring her back.

We all probably watch too many crime shows where LE will warn, "Don't leave town." How can these folks be stopped if there is no probable cause to arrest them?

I'd personally love to see Misty behind bars and made to talk. Unfortunately, it isn't legal. :crying:

[Diamond1]

I'd like to think so, but on what charges? They can't arrest her now (no probable case) and FL LE seems to be reluctant to arrest people for lying or hindering an official investigation (Cindy and George Anthony, case in point...Cindy sat there and told bare faced lies to the FBI, for God's sake!).

I don't know how they could bring her back.

We all probably watch too many crime shows where LE will warn, "Don't leave town." How can these folks be stopped if there is no probable cause to arrest them?

I'd personally love to see Misty behind bars and made to talk. Unfortunately, it isn't legal. :crying:

I agree with you. I just do not think Ron is with her to stop her from bolting as the post I responded to suggested.

[Diamond1]

No Haleigh tonight on Nancy?

Tragic-

From what I have read there will be Haleigh news on NG beginning on Monday, Sept. 7th.

[Viva4Haleigh]

From what I have read there will be Haleigh news on NG beginning on Monday, Sept. 7th.

Did I read TN is supposed to be on tomorrow?

[baywench]

I'd like to think so, but on what charges? They can't arrest her now (no probable case) and FL LE seems to be reluctant to arrest people for lying or hindering an official investigation (Cindy and George Anthony, case in point...Cindy sat there and told bare faced lies to the FBI, for God's sake!).

I don't know how they could bring her back.

We all probably watch too many crime shows where LE will warn, "Don't leave town." How can these folks be stopped if there is no probable cause to arrest them?

I'd personally love to see Misty behind bars and made to talk. Unfortunately, it isn't legal. :crying:

But we can still dream...Misty has no where to run and nobody to run to. All of her peeps are so busy pointing fingers at each other I think they would have to be told she was gone. Misty loves the attentions, sadly it is probably the only real attention she has had. This girl doesn't and hasn't had anyone fooled. She just kept her chin up a little more than I think they were prepared for. I know it's not possible but how cool would it be for Misty and Casey to be in the same jail? Two idiots who thought they could fool the world. jmo

[Diamond1]

Did I read TN is supposed to be on tomorrow?

I thought she would be on tonight. Maybe it has been scheduled for tomorrow.

[Lqqkout]

i can't help but think this all being orchestrated by LE to finally break this all wide open. No more secret deals, divide and conquer, keep the pressure on her from every angle. How it works, apparently the make her feel safe strategy wasn't going anywhere. jmo

That is very true. If in fact Misty knows who took Haleigh and/or where she is, it appears Misty is quite comfortable with the situation. So these latest audios have certainly put the pressure on.

[Viva4Haleigh]

I thought she would be on tonight. Maybe it has been scheduled for tomorrow.

Or maybe is dropping Haleigh all together- happens everytime she has Crystal on- jmo

[teresa]

LE could bring her back if she did bolt.

How? They just said they don't have grounds for an arrest (yet).

[baywench]

She is 17, unemployed, and not wealthy. How far is she really going to go? From what we have seen of her family she isnt going to be hiding in Switzerland.

You do realize I'm at work? Laughing out loud is frowned upon!

[Viva4Haleigh]

So whats the word on Larry? Did Ron clarify this?

[Viva4Haleigh]

No word. :sad:

Is it confirmed as real that Ron was talking to another child who said she saw Haleigh and she was with someone named Larry? Now, it was the AC guy that was there right, not the cable guy?

I mean this is absurd-

jmo

[baywench]

OMG I can't stop giggling thinking about Misty in Switzerland. Numerical? What's Swiss for numerical...I've gotta stop I'm cracking myself up :w00t:

[baywench]

Is it confirmed as real that Ron was talking to another child who said she saw Haleigh and she was with someone named Larry? Now, it was the AC guy that was there right, not the cable guy?

I mean this is absurd-

jmo

I thought it was always the AC guy...ok I get it, Larry the cable guy. I read somewhere in the last few days that Ron said he didn't know anyone named Larry???

[Viva4Haleigh]

I thought it was always the AC guy...ok I get it, Larry the cable guy. I read somewhere in the last few days that Ron said he didn't know anyone named Larry???

I dont know whats going on, I just started reading, but if Ron is speaking to some child to find the whereabouts of Haleigh- I mean its absurd-

[Lqqkout]

[QUOTE=baywench;13435864]I thought it was always the AC guy...ok I get it, Larry the cable guy. I read somewhere in the last few days that Ron said he didn't know anyone named Larry???[/QUOT

I remember reading somewhere that Ron denied knowing a Larry.

[baywench]

The larry story..

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5138635.php

[Viva4Haleigh]

Does anyone have a list of TN husbands? Any Larrys?

[teresa]

She is 17, unemployed, and not wealthy. How far is she really going to go? From what we have seen of her family she isnt going to be hiding in Switzerland.

She has relatives in MI, MA and TN. She was sent to live with the ones in MI once already, I believe. Do you know how easily teenagers can just disappear? I want some answers from her before she runs, if she runs.

If Misty knows what happened that night, it looks like unless she talks, LE won't be able to prove it. They've tried for months already. They can't make her stay and they can't force her to come back just to question her.

[Viva4Haleigh]

She has relatives in MI, MA and TN. She was sent to live with the ones in MI once already, I believe. Do you know how easily teenagers can just disappear? I want some answers from her before she runs, if she runs.

If Misty knows what happened that night, it looks like unless she talks, LE won't be able to prove it. They've tried for months already. They can't make her stay and they can't force her to come back just to question her.
So basically Misty can milk the I have no idea, I am just a child, how much can I take game forever, and we will never know the truth?

[AmndaRcknwth]

As much as you may not believe it, I do realilze this isn't my board lol That being said, in a week where we finally heard some real information on the only real suspect so far in this case, why are we still arguing about Ron and Crystal. Misty is in trouble I believe. She is making alot of mistakes now, although I am not sure what Tim is doing by bring everything into the light, I like it. I am OK with it. Many liars and game players in both families. In fact, I was trying to think today of one single family member I would believe if they told me the sky was blue. Used to be GGM Sykes but not anymore. I don't know why I expected this case to end with any kind of dignity for Haleigh. It will end with mud-slinging, mind numbing finger pointing until the truth is finally revealed. jmo

ITA.
*IF* the truth is ever revealed.


By the way, "numerisch"

[teresa]

So basically Misty can milk the I have no idea, I am just a child, how much can I take game forever, and we will never know the truth?

Viva, without some evidence falling in LE's lap, it looks that way.

[Viva4Haleigh]

I've been reading a little the last few days. Very little. It sounds like they're trying to put pressure on Misty from what I've read from the links thread. It would be the most horrible thing if that teenager harmed the little girl in any way although I'm not saying she did by any means. But I have wondered what could possibly have happened to Haleigh.

I know it's possible Ron married Misty to keep her closer so he could find his daughter but it doesn't really ring true to me. In 50 yrs of following true crime that would be a first. Never heard of that one before. All this is just my wondering and all my opinion.

It would be good to know the truth and find out what happened to the poor little girl. JMO


Ok.

Nothing started breaking again till Ron got arrested for beating up Mistys brother, I mean was the arrest something Ron thougt up to somehow accelerate Mistys memory?

[teresa]

Not easily at all when there is a cash reward.

But that would only be if they solve the case. What I'm talking about is that she can just leave the area and not even be around to feel the pressure of knowing that LE is watching her. They can't force her to come and be questioned and if she's out of state, it would be especially hard.

[seeker]

Frankly, I've been quite surprised at what has gone on, regarding the release of the videos, results and phone conversations to the public.

Does anyone know what prompted this? I don't mean speculation, I'm talking about Tim going public with it all.

To tell the truth, if he thought he needed a videographer to protect himself, he should have probably just stuck with the searches and let the Cummings get help through another lawyer. I have an uneasy feeling this is going to end badly.

Has it been stated that Tim Miller had Misty's tests videotaped in order to protect himself? I've never heard about that. It sounds like what any thinking person would do in a situation like this.

I'm sure, as evidenced by having Misty sign waivers and probably other legal documents, rather than mainly covering himself, Tim Miller et al foresaw these tests as becoming major evidence in the crime against HaLeigh, and wanted to ensure that they could be used.

My question and thoughts on this.

[titanfan217]

Is it confirmed as real that Ron was talking to another child who said she saw Haleigh and she was with someone named Larry? Now, it was the AC guy that was there right, not the cable guy?

I mean this is absurd-

jmo

Thanks, I needed that.

I'm still trying to figure when all of this came up. I didn't think the Cummins and Croslins were even talking.

And if Ron doesn't know any Larry, then why did he know he'd need the $35,000, just after the money became available.

[titanfan217]

I've been reading a little the last few days. Very little. It sounds like they're trying to put pressure on Misty from what I've read from the links thread. It would be the most horrible thing if that teenager harmed the little girl in any way although I'm not saying she did by any means. But I have wondered what could possibly have happened to Haleigh.

I know it's possible Ron married Misty to keep her closer so he could find his daughter but it doesn't really ring true to me. In 50 yrs of following true crime that would be a first. Never heard of that one before. All this is just my wondering and all my opinion.

It would be good to know the truth and find out what happened to the poor little girl. JMO

If he did, it hasn't worked well.

[Justice4all]

soooooo i see marie is tweeting Butterbean's not safe with his step mom



does that mean he's safe with his FATHER?



It's obvious to me now they know Ron's not involved.

[titanfan217]

The other night I said LE probably could arrest her and I got jumped for it by several people. They seemed to think it an outrageous proposition. But isn't lying to law enforcement technically a crime? It was only speculation on my part anyway. I wasn't saying LE should, only that they probably could if they wanted to. technically.

Last evening I listened to a recorded voice msg by Tim Miller (SOURCE: in the links thread) and he eluded to it.

I'm just guessing here -- but while I think they could arrest her, but they want to be sure to have something that's going to stick (super glue) and not something that she'd get out the express lane.

[Diamond1]

Misty is no saint and is possibly complicit in hiding 'who' took Haleigh, but she seemingly did have some interest in the children.

We know that from hearing recollections of Cummings family members talking about her since Haleigh was abducted.

Misty invested nearly 90 days to Crystal's 12 days... give or take... in just the 3 months they lived in their home.



Is that comment meant to prove something? If so, what?

[teresa]

Has it been stated that Tim Miller had Misty's tests videotaped in order to protect himself? I've never heard about that. It sounds like what any thinking person would do in a situation like this.

I'm sure, as evidenced by having Misty sign waivers and probably other legal documents, rather than mainly covering himself, Tim Miller et al foresaw these tests as becoming major evidence in the crime against HaLeigh, and wanted to ensure that they could be used.

My question and thoughts on this.


But they can't be used. The ruling that some states have that allow for LDT's to be admitted is for agreement between a prosecutor and a defense lawyer and a judge, not an independent non-official person. I think they have to agree before the test is done but I could be wrong on that.

[W_D_1]

09-03-2009, 05:45 PM
Diamond1
Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 245

NG has trashed Casey endlessly for getting a tattoo when her child was technically missing , yet NG has not once mentioned Ron getting a tattoo. Both of them got tatts within 2 weeks after their child was missing. I have emailed her several times and asked her why. No response.


In the time Casey was getting a tattoo she hadn't seen her daughter nor did she bother to tell anyone or report Caylee missing. Ron reported Haleigh missing that same night. HUGE difference.

[Lqqkout]

She has relatives in MI, MA and TN. She was sent to live with the ones in MI once already, I believe. Do you know how easily teenagers can just disappear? I want some answers from her before she runs, if she runs.

If Misty knows what happened that night, it looks like unless she talks, LE won't be able to prove it. They've tried for months already. They can't make her stay and they can't force her to come back just to question her.

Exactly and if Misty disappears so does any information regarding Haleigh's whereabouts.

I know I would not let Misty out of my sight.

[Diamond1]

In the time Casey was getting a tattoo she hadn't seen her daughter nor did she bother to tell anyone or report Caylee missing. Ron reported Haleigh missing that same night. HUGE difference.

The point is that both of them got tattoos within the first two weeks. Like behavior is compared.

[CFMom]

God Bless you lil one. Today doesnt seem to be the day you are found...but soon I pray. :wub:

Nite everyone

[?noanswer]

But they can't be used. The ruling that some states have that allow for LDT's to be admitted is for agreement between a prosecutor and a defense lawyer and a judge, not an independent non-official person. I think they have to agree before the test is done but I could be wrong on that.

I don't think they could be used either because it was not done under a controlled setting. TM did record all the tests and LE could review them to look for any "inconsistencies" between those tests and what LE already has. JMO

[Pat]

Thanks, I needed that.

I'm still trying to figure when all of this came up. I didn't think the Cummins and Croslins were even talking.

And if Ron doesn't know any Larry, then why did he know he'd need the $35,000, just after the money became available.

As far as I know, we've never heard when this conversation actually took place, or the context.

I've become quite frustrated over the fact we get stuff thrown out but have no idea what's going on the background that precipitated it all except in bits and pieces.

I'd love to know what really promted the Croslins to show up en mass the night Ron punched Tommy. I doubt we've heard the truth about it. It happened the night of the 8th, and I wonder if Misty knew Teresa N had contacted M. NeJames and Tim Miller. Remember TJ Hart saying "some family members" weren't happy over Tim Miller being called in? I wondered at the time if it was Marie and Crystal but couldn't understand why they would object. I never thought of the Croslins.

So many questions...so few answers. :confused:

[AmndaRcknwth]

Exactly and if Misty disappears so does any information regarding Haleigh's whereabouts.

And there you have the reason for the family to circle the wagons and throw doubt Tim Miller's way.

They say one thing in private, then another in public.

I saved 4 audios. 2-part of Tim Miller, 1 of Hank Croslin about the 35K, and 1 of Teresa Aug 18 or 19 telling Tim that Misty was about to crack and for him to come soon.
I posted those on 2 sites some of you belong to.

It is worth a listen.

[W_D_1]

The point is that both of them got tattoos within the first two weeks. Like behavior is compared.


Not when the circumstances differ as much as they do in the 2 cases you try to compare.

[Viva4Haleigh]

In the time Casey was getting a tattoo she hadn't seen her daughter nor did she bother to tell anyone or report Caylee missing. Ron reported Haleigh missing that same night. HUGE difference.

Not really because it can be argued that both Casey and Ron knew their child was dead- and got tats as some memorial, I mean Haleigh is forever memorialized on Ron as a 5 year old- Details are sketchy at best about what happened on Green Ln that night-

jmo

[titanfan217]

Exactly and if Misty disappears so does any information regarding Haleigh's whereabouts.

I know I would not let Misty out of my sight.


Has anyone listened to the tape from TN? I interpreted a little different how it sounded with Tim was talking about it or I missed the secret phone calls, and that's possible.

And I may have this all wrong but I got the idea that Misty is trying to Ron from contacting someone.

[AmndaRcknwth]

I'm very curious why Ron and Misty needed prepaid phones (aka throwaways) when they went for the mind-clearing trip to Orlando.

[titanfan217]

As far as I know, we've never heard when this conversation actually took place, or the context.

I've become quite frustrated over the fact we get stuff thrown out but have no idea what's going on the background that precipitated it all except in bits and pieces.


So many questions...so few answers. :confused:

Snipped

I thought I had it "all" figured out and then the attorney added the Larry stuff.

[Diamond1]

Not when the circumstances differ as much as they do in the 2 cases you try to compare.

The cases are different but the fact they both got tattoos and within the same amount of time is comparable and weird. Ron's was televised since he slipped out of town to get the tatt when a major search was going on for his child. mo

[Lqqkout]

soooooo i see marie is tweeting Butterbean's not safe with his step mom



does that mean he's safe with his FATHER?



It's obvious to me now they know Ron's not involved.

Can you simply watch while someone twitters or are they twittering to someone in particular? And why would you want to twitter? I am not trying to be rude, but I just don't get it. I wouldn't want people to know my every move and I certainly don't care to know others. And what does this cost? just wondering, don't know anyone with this device.

[AmndaRcknwth]

I don't think they could be used either because it was not done under a controlled setting. TM did record all the tests and LE could review them to look for any "inconsistencies" between those tests and what LE already has. JMO


No, they cannot be used should there be a trial.

But they were used as a tool. A prying tool.

If nothing else, it got this case back on the front burner.

[titanfan217]

I'm very curious why Ron and Misty needed prepaid phones (aka throwaways) when they went for the mind-clearing trip to Orlando.

Maybe they didn't have minutes on their regular ones....

[W_D_1]

Not really because it can be argued that both Casey and Ron knew their child was dead- and got tats as some memorial, I mean Haleigh is forever memorialized on Ron as a 5 year old- Details are sketchy at best about what happened on Green Ln that night-

jmo


No one other than a hadnful of posters have claimed Ron knew his child was dead. Nothing indicates he knew his child was dead.

Casey was out partying, lying to her family and friends and never bothered to report her "missing" child.

Apples/oranges.

[?noanswer]

Little o/t, but much has been posted about how abused women are afraid to do anything.

The aunt of the girl who was kidnapped at 11 yo read a statement about the girl who is now 29 yo. Said she was very intelligent and both of her daughters (product of rape) who have never been to school have been educated by their mother. This woman lived in squalor in a shed/tent outside, yet she took very good care of her children. This woman has been abused as much as any person could be, yet she took care of her children.


JMO

[Viva4Haleigh]

Maybe they didn't have minutes on their regular ones....

From what I gather, they are paranoid their phones are bugged-

Probably have valid fears for some reason-

jmo

[AmndaRcknwth]

Snipped

I thought I had it "all" figured out and then the attorney added the Larry stuff.

Will Curly and Moe be far behind?

[Viva4Haleigh]

Little o/t, but much has been posted about how abused women are afraid to do anything.

The aunt of the girl who was kidnapped at 11 yo read a statement about the girl who is now 29 yo. Said she was very intelligent and both of her daughters (product of rape) who have never been to school have been educated by their mother. This woman lived in squalor in a shed/tent outside, yet she took very good care of her children. This woman has been abused as much as any person could be, yet she took care of her children.


JMO

Well, she had to have known they were hers right?

[Pat]

Has anyone listened to the tape from TN? I interpreted a little different how it sounded with Tim was talking about it or I missed the secret phone calls, and that's possible.

And I may have this all wrong but I got the idea that Misty is trying to Ron from contacting someone.

I'm so glad you said this. That is exactly what I heard, too...that Misty won't allow Ron out of her sight, and listens to his phone conversations.

I wondered at the time if there are possibly two conversations from Teresa N, one about Misty not giving Ron any privacy and the other about Misty and secret phone calls.

If there aren't, Tim really misspoke.

[W_D_1]

The cases are different but the fact they both got tattoos and within the same amount of time is comparable and weird. Ron's was televised since he slipped out of town to get the tatt when a major search was going on for his child. mo


Apples/oranges.

[Motomom]

If he did, it hasn't worked well.

She may have been long gone had he not married her. We are maybe a bit closer to the truth.. maybe not. All in due time.

Evening all, haven't been reading today, did check out the last few links, did watch NG last night and the night before though.

[Clara Harris]

Well, she had to have known they were hers right?

Were they Ron's :confused:

[Pat]

Not really because it can be argued that both Casey and Ron knew their child was dead- and got tats as some memorial, I mean Haleigh is forever memorialized on Ron as a 5 year old- Details are sketchy at best about what happened on Green Ln that night-

jmo

Viva...get out the phone book and find the name of a good therapist. You're going to need one when you find out Ron had NOTHING to do with HaLeigh going missing. :tonguewag:

[Lqqkout]

As far as I know, we've never heard when this conversation actually took place, or the context.

I've become quite frustrated over the fact we get stuff thrown out but have no idea what's going on the background that precipitated it all except in bits and pieces.

I'd love to know what really promted the Croslins to show up en mass the night Ron punched Tommy. I doubt we've heard the truth about it. It happened the night of the 8th, and I wonder if Misty knew Teresa N had contacted M. NeJames and Tim Miller. Remember TJ Hart saying "some family members" weren't happy over Tim Miller being called in? I wondered at the time if it was Marie and Crystal but couldn't understand why they would object. I never thought of the Croslins.

So many questions...so few answers. :confused:

I wonder why they all invaded their home late that night, too?

[Tracian]

Just catching up again....any quotes from any of the Cummings that they have turned on Tim? Other than Misty of course.

[Clara Harris]

Will Curly and Moe be far behind?


What, no Shemp? :tonguewag:

It's been a 3 ring circus so far. 3 or 4 stooges in Satsume will go unnoticed

[Lqqkout]

No one other than a hadnful of posters have claimed Ron knew his child was dead. Nothing indicates he knew his child was dead.

Casey was out partying, lying to her family and friends and never bothered to report her "missing" child.

Apples/oranges.

Exactly, apples and oranges and the same goes for comparing Scott Peterson with Ron. No comparison..

[Pat]

I wonder why they all invaded their home late that night, too?

Croslins said it was because Misty called and begged them to come get her. Misty said Tommy had been calling all day wanting to come over and she told him no. Someone is lying...probably all of them.

[teresa]

Not really because it can be argued that both Casey and Ron knew their child was dead- and got tats as some memorial, I mean Haleigh is forever memorialized on Ron as a 5 year old- Details are sketchy at best about what happened on Green Ln that night-

jmo

So why did he get an equal sized one of Junior? Was he missing, too?

[Lqqkout]

Will Curly and Moe be far behind?

Thank you for the laugh !:laugh:

[Viva4Haleigh]

Viva...get out the phone book and find the name of a good therapist. You're going to need one when you find out Ron had NOTHING to do with HaLeigh going missing. :tonguewag:

Oh Pat, I got a few already, jeez!

But yeah, I will be in shock oif Ron had nothing to do with Haleighs disappearance- I admit that- But I am not pleased nor thrilled he seems to be backing Misty- I want him to drop her like a hot potato- so far, he hasn't- that bugs me-

jmo

[Motomom]

No one other than a hadnful of posters have claimed Ron knew his child was dead. Nothing indicates he knew his child was dead.

Casey was out partying, lying to her family and friends and never bothered to report her "missing" child.

Apples/oranges.

I see no comparison between the CA case and this one at all to be honest. Even in regards to the tattoo. Ok, so Ron got a tattoo of Haleigh, maybe Crystal got one too eventually, just that cameras weren't around. Maybe she didn't get one at all.. but she could have and if she did, would we (general) be reading more into it? I mean I see nothing sinister in the tattoo at all. JMO. I know people who have gotton their childrens faces tattooed on them, with them still being around, alive and healthy.. so it means little IMO.

[Lqqkout]

I'm so glad you said this. That is exactly what I heard, too...that Misty won't allow Ron out of her sight, and listens to his phone conversations.

I wondered at the time if there are possibly two conversations from Teresa N, one about Misty not giving Ron any privacy and the other about Misty and secret phone calls.

If there aren't, Tim really misspoke.

I agree. I wonder if Tim was incorrect when he relayed the info? It did sound like the call he was referring to.

[teresa]

Has anyone listened to the tape from TN? I interpreted a little different how it sounded with Tim was talking about it or I missed the secret phone calls, and that's possible.

And I may have this all wrong but I got the idea that Misty is trying to Ron from contacting someone.

I listened to it about 4 times and I agree with you. She said Ron can't make a phone call without Misty being in the same room and that he went outside to smoke and (this part was hard to hear) started to use the phone and Misty came running out to say she needed it. Is that what you thought the outside part said?

I thought Tim said she couldn't be in the same room with Ron and she was making secret phone calls??

[Motomom]

Croslins said it was because Misty called and begged them to come get her. Misty said Tommy had been calling all day wanting to come over and she told him no. Someone is lying...probably all of them.

I personally don't believe any of them. The Croslins are less than stellar people IMO. They started with stories early on too, then retracted them..blah blah. I think they know Misty is going to end up going down for this, at least her part in whatever happened and they want her out of there IMO.

[Lqqkout]

She may have been long gone had he not married her. We are maybe a bit closer to the truth.. maybe not. All in due time.

Evening all, haven't been reading today, did check out the last few links, did watch NG last night and the night before though.

Hi MMom...welcome!

[Diamond1]

Apples/oranges.


tattoos/tattoos

^^looks the same.

[Lqqkout]

Were they Ron's :confused:

I just fell off my chair. Where am I?

[Tracian]

I really would like opinions on this:

Why does anyone think Tim did release the results of the tests? Before he made them public, Misty and the others said nothing, publically...

Does anyone here think that Tim has doubted Misty's story from early on?

Does anyone think there is any truth in Misty's claims about abuse from her brother and other family members?

Does anyone think Misty was telling the truth about her parents being drug addicts?


TIA

[Motomom]

Oh Pat, I got a few already, jeez!

But yeah, I will be in shock oif Ron had nothing to do with Haleighs disappearance- I admit that- But I am not pleased nor thrilled he seems to be backing Misty- I want him to drop her like a hot potato- so far, he hasn't- that bugs me-

jmo

If he drops her..she takes off then what??? I don't understand the train of thought there, but only because I think she will take off and that will be detrimental IMO. She may not be talking now, but she may break eventually.

I would be extremely shocked if Ron had anything to do with this..anything at all would throw me for a loop. I know alot of "ron's".. I base my opinion on what I know of them and what I've seen from Ron himself. He has been made out to be the devil in some eyes IMO..and I just don't see that at all.

[SleepyHallow]

No one other than a hadnful of posters have claimed Ron knew his child was dead. Nothing indicates he knew his child was dead.

Casey was out partying, lying to her family and friends and never bothered to report her "missing" child.

Apples/oranges.
I think you might want to recalculate the "handful" of posters thing.
It is way more than a handful that think Ron did something to Haleigh.
Sorry, didn't mean to cut into your debate.

[emdragon]

I really would like opinions on this:

Why does anyone think Tim did release the results of the tests? Before he made them public, Misty and the others said nothing, publically...

Does anyone here think that Tim has doubted Misty's story from early on?

Does anyone think there is any truth in Misty's claims about abuse from her brother and other family members?

Does anyone think Misty was telling the truth about her parents being drug addicts?


TIA

no clue
Yes
could be
yes

[Lqqkout]

Viva...get out the phone book and find the name of a good therapist. You're going to need one when you find out Ron had NOTHING to do with HaLeigh going missing. :tonguewag:

Please stop. I can't stop laughing !!!!!!!! :laugh::laugh::laugh

[Viva4Haleigh]

If he drops her..she takes off then what??? I don't understand the train of thought there, but only because I think she will take off and that will be detrimental IMO. She may not be talking now, but she may break eventually.

I would be extremely shocked if Ron had anything to do with this..anything at all would throw me for a loop. I know alot of "ron's".. I base my opinion on what I know of them and what I've seen from Ron himself. He has been made out to be the devil in some eyes IMO..and I just don't see that at all.

If she takes off, what means does she have to survive? If she ran out, dont you think they would call the cops and get her? I mean I am sure she is being tracked by her phone, she is not some brilliant mastermind to me- if she runs it wont be far- they can get her-

jmo

[Pat]

Oh Pat, I got a few already, jeez!

But yeah, I will be in shock oif Ron had nothing to do with Haleighs disappearance- I admit that- But I am not pleased nor thrilled he seems to be backing Misty- I want him to drop her like a hot potato- so far, he hasn't- that bugs me-

jmo

Viva...go to the Links thread and look at the Link Lynn posted today, after you left. It won't be hard to find. LE sources AND DPM have verified, with witnesses and cell pings to support it, that Ron was at work for his entire shift, to include supper. It is a FACT he never left from the time he arrived at 4 until he left at 3 the next morning.

There are witnesses who saw HaLeigh AFTER Ron went to work. When could Ron have harmed HaLeigh? Or covered up for Misty if she did something? 911 was called the minute he got home!

Keep those numbers handy! :laugh:

[W_D_1]

I think you might want to recalculate the "handful" of posters thing.
It is way more than a handful that think Ron did something to Haleigh.
Sorry, didn't mean to cut into your debate.



I don't need a calculator to add them up.

[Motomom]

I really would like opinions on this:

Why does anyone think Tim did release the results of the tests? Before he made them public, Misty and the others said nothing, publically...

Does anyone here think that Tim has doubted Misty's story from early on?

Does anyone think there is any truth in Misty's claims about abuse from her brother and other family members?

Does anyone think Misty was telling the truth about her parents being drug addicts?


TIA

Just looking at her parents and knowing a little bit about her life..ie shuffled around it seems, at such an early age.. Yes I do believe her parents are addicts.

There may be some truth to the abuse claims, but I'm not sure.

I think Tim did doubt her story, but maybe he wanted to believe in her. She's young, bout the same age as his daughter when she died. I believe he was hoping she would pass those tests and LE could move on. I don't think he's been happy with LE completely.

I'm not sure why he released them. To put pressure on Misty? Pressure LE to do more about Misty maybe?

[SleepyHallow]

I wonder why they all invaded their home late that night, too?
Wow! Were the Croslin's charged with home invasion? I don't know how I missed that.
Come now, they showed up because Misty called them crying for help because she wanted to leave Ron.
She changed her mind after that (probably because of something Ron said), and her family showed up anyway because they were worried.

[?noanswer]

Wow! Were the Croslin's charged with home invasion? I don't know how I missed that.
Come now, they showed up because Misty called them crying for help because she wanted to leave Ron.
She changed her mind after that (probably because of something Ron said), and her family showed up anyway because they were worried.


If they are worried now, I think they are about 8/10 years too late. JMO

[Tracian]

Wow! Were the Croslin's charged with home invasion? I don't know how I missed that.
Come now, they showed up because Misty called them crying for help because she wanted to leave Ron.
She changed her mind after that (probably because of something Ron said), and her family showed up anyway because they were worried.



Sure they were :rolleyes:

[Clara Harris]

Or an uneducated (ex I pray) druggie whos' brain was fried years ago.

MOO

This gets my vote as it gives a more plausible 'excuse' for why she can't hold a job given her limited skills and capacity. Many abuse victims hold down jobs and hide the effects of abuse. Crystal doesn't have to hide anything as I believe people just make stuff up on her behalf, like being a "loving mother."

[Motomom]

If she takes off, what means does she have to survive? If she ran out, dont you think they would call the cops and get her? I mean I am sure she is being tracked by her phone, she is not some brilliant mastermind to me- if she runs it wont be far- they can get her-

jmo

Get her for what though? Unless LE tells her not to leave the area, she has the right to do and go whereever she wants to. You think her family couldn't hide her out somewhere? I am not saying she is a brilliant mastermind, just like I don't see ron as the devil of all devils either. wouldn't take much for her to survive IMO.

[W_D_1]

Wow! Were the Croslin's charged with home invasion? I don't know how I missed that.
Come now, they showed up because Misty called them crying for help because she wanted to leave Ron.
She changed her mind after that (probably because of something Ron said), and her family showed up anyway because they were worried.



Hank Croslin Jr is the only one who claims Misty wanted them to come get her. Hank Sr and Lisa both said in seperate interviews that they went to check on her, nothing about her asking them to come pick her up. Such an important little detail to leave out dontcha think?

[Viva4Haleigh]

Does anyone think Misty cant be consistent because of Crystal?

[Lqqkout]

I think you might want to recalculate the "handful" of posters thing.
It is way more than a handful that think Ron did something to Haleigh.
Sorry, didn't mean to cut into your debate.

Do you feel the majority of posters feel Ron knows Haleigh is dead as proposed by WD1? I think it is a handful, but I could be wrong.

[Motomom]

Hank Croslin Jr is the only one who claims Misty wanted them to come get her. Hank Sr and Lisa both said in seperate interviews that they went to check on her, nothing about her asking them to come pick her up. Such an important little detail to leave out dontcha think?

Wonder why big brother was so bent on getting to Misty. I still think the Croslins may hold some answers..jmo

[W_D_1]

Do you feel the majority of posters feel Ron knows Haleigh is dead as proposed by WD1? I think it is a handful, but I could be wrong.


Hold up there lqqk....I said the opposite. I said only a handful of posters feel that way. Just want to make sure that's clear.

[Viva4Haleigh]

Do you feel the majority of posters feel Ron knows Haleigh is dead as proposed by WD1? I think it is a handful, but I could be wrong.

I think Ron knows Haleigh is dead- I mean why is he siding with Misty, is she truly that wonderful his judgment is clouded because of his love for Misty?

[Tracian]

Does anyone think Misty cant be consistent because of Crystal?


No, I think Misty is a pathological liar. At one time I really thought the most she was guilty of is being stupid; leaving for a while thinking all would be well.

Now, I don't trust her at all...You think Ron is guilty...but IMO, everything points to Misty, including her 'dream' of others being in the house.

Even Jr's story makes sense now...the man in black...Misty making that comment about not being in bed 'alone' then quickly adding 'his son'

People think that Misty is so young and 'abused' well...Sarah Johnson comes to mind..and so does the Menendez brothers..(who also made claim after claim of abuse, the next worse than the other...and more fantastic)

[Pat]

Does anyone think Misty cant be consistent because of Crystal?

I'm not following your train of thought here. What do you mean?

[W_D_1]

Wonder why big brother was so bent on getting to Misty. I still think the Croslins may hold some answers..jmo

Or are covering for Misty.

[Tracian]

Why else would they show up? It is obvious that Misty's family does not like Ron and believes from that phone message that he is framing her. Sounds like a totally normal reaction from her family.


Isn't the red truck that HankJR(Tommy) drove now an issue?

Nothing about the Croslin's dynamics would I describe as normal.

[Pat]

No, I think Misty is a pathological liar. At one time I really thought the most she was guilty of is being stupid; leaving for a while thinking all would be well.

Now, I don't trust her at all...You think Ron is guilty...but IMO, everything points to Misty, including her 'dream' of others being in the house.

Even Jr's story makes sense now...the man in black...Misty making that comment about not being in bed 'alone' then quickly adding 'his son'

People think that Misty is so young and 'abused' well...Sarah Johnson comes to mind..and so does the Menendez brothers..(who also made claim after claim of abuse, the next worse than the other...and more fantastic)

Is Sarah Johnson the one who shot her father in the shower and her mother in bed because they wouldn't let her date some guy? She was in high school at the time?

[Motomom]

Why else would they show up? It is obvious that Misty's family does not like Ron and believes from that phone message that he is framing her. Sounds like a totally normal reaction from her family.

Really? Did you miss when her mother was happy as a clam, signing papers for Misty to marry Ronald.

Serious question, aside from the fact that while Ron was at work, his daughter went missing.. How can anyone look at one particular side of the family and find ..uhh more value in one then the other? All of them, the sheffields, Croslins and Cummings.. All have their skeletons, some more than others. I find it interesting how out of all of those families..the one I would trust the most would be the cummings and I know many others don't.

[Clara Harris]

It is also a sign of the end of a meth binge.

We don't know why she didn't get out of bed she simply told the judge she didn't.

IIRC, Crystal told the judge some days she ddin't feel like getting out of bed. She didn't feel like paying child support or getting a job either. Could be she is just lazy and irresponsible. I have wonder why wasn't Marie pushing her to do the right thing back then? ASSuming that is what motivates Marie now :glare:

[Diamond1]

I really would like opinions on this:

Why does anyone think Tim did release the results of the tests? Before he made them public, Misty and the others said nothing, publically...

Does anyone here think that Tim has doubted Misty's story from early on?

Does anyone think there is any truth in Misty's claims about abuse from her brother and other family members?

Does anyone think Misty was telling the truth about her parents being drug addicts?


TIA

1.) I think something was said privately and TM felt he should release the test results. It could also be because Misty and Ron claimed she passed the previous LDT's with flying colors and they made sure the results were known regarding these tests.

2.) Yes.

3.) No.

4.) Yes.

MOO

[Motomom]

I think Ron knows Haleigh is dead- I mean why is he siding with Misty, is she truly that wonderful his judgment is clouded because of his love for Misty?

You don't see it at all possible that he's given her a false sense of security. That is what I see..with the entire family. I think they want to believe her but as these results came out and more bs comes out..I doubt they are believing in her like they may have once did.

[Pat]

I think Ron knows Haleigh is dead- I mean why is he siding with Misty, is she truly that wonderful his judgment is clouded because of his love for Misty?

I don't think he loves her...I think he knows Misty either did something to HaLeigh or knows who did.

I can't begin to think like any of these people, so I have no answers as to why they do what they do.