9/2 Pt. II, 9/3

[ClimbingRose]

relating Misty's initial story. Misty addressing the bed that yes all 3 of them were sleeping. Showing the room. TM speaking that the bed was made and there was no detergent in the house. Ronald asked for 35,000 dollars Tm is willing to give it just to bring Haleigh home.

Marie doubted Misty from the beginning why: Misty's stories were 4 differnt ones as to where everyone was sleeping that night. Marie has been told by LE Misty continues to be inconsistent. Crystal only heard brother and AC guy were the only ones who stopped by. NG back to phone calls and the arguments TM the argument was about Misty being gone for 3 prior days and potentially other men. RC's new attorney playing down the argument. Discussing the argument and how it fits in this crime. Experts are going off on Misty. NG Misty doesn't call 911 until RC comes home and tells her. New attorney for Misty feels the focus should be on RC. Misty's ATTorney questions the last time Haleigh was ever seen besides misty/ronald. Crystal doesn't know the last time, Misty told her 8:00p.m perturberd Crystal has no idea what time Haleigh got out of school and has never tried to find out.

NG This child never had a chance. discussing Haleigh's medical conditions chronic cough hospital admissions Caller: has RC taken a poly believes has passed.. Why has Misty not been arrested... can't be arrested solely on flunked poly Break

[aproudmom]

I have always known exactly what time my kids got out of school, from primary to high school.

they do not let out at the same time here so they don't have all the kids going to the buses at the same time...but mine are 19 and 13 now of course when they were younger I got them on the bus and off the bus but still the bell would ring like 10 minutes apart that is what I meant...and my father has drove a bus for over 20 years and has never had a child at a home at the same time everyday..I just found it uncalled for by NG to make a big deal out of it when she knew da** well the answer

[Lynn Gweeny]

What happened? I submitted a post and POOF!

Thanks for starting the thread Climbing Rose. :cool:

ETA ~ Oh, I see CW's post!

[aproudmom]

A few of you are getting pretty sassy. I believe I said I'd close this at 10pm, if you continue on this thread as previous one that is exactly what I'm going to do.

thanks and understood....

[W_D_1]

I just rewound to the beginning and TJ Hart clearly said Ron's attorney wouldn't discuss the intricacies and neither he nor Natisha ever said Ron wouldn't discuss the phone calls or texts.

[Justice4all]

Rose you might want to listen to what Tim said to TJH because he never said a secret PHONE he said secret phone CALLS


In that message, Neves appeared to be concerned about Misty’s state of mind, saying she won’t even be in the same room as Ronald,and leaves to talk on the phone privately and is acting “crazy” Neves urges Miller to come to Florida quickly because Misty ”is ready to crack’


http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5137544.php

[Pat]

Respectfully, Climbing Rose, there are several links which have been posted and they all say Tim Miller got the information on the $35T from Hank, Sr., and never asked Ron if he'd said this to Hank, Sr.

[Lynn Gweeny]

Prime News 9/2/09 Haleigh Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbU-sCYWCeQ


Prime News 9/2/09 Haleigh Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtpYM9FsPnY

[aproudmom]

relating Misty's initial story. Misty addressing the bed that yes all 3 of them were sleeping. Showing the room. TM speaking that the bed was made and there was no detergent in the house. Ronald asked for 35,000 dollars Tm is willing to give it just to bring Haleigh home.

Marie doubted Misty from the beginning why: Misty's stories were 4 differnt ones as to where everyone was sleeping that night. Marie has been told by LE Misty continues to be inconsistent. Crystal only heard brother and AC guy were the only ones who stopped by. NG back to phone calls and the arguments TM the argument was about Misty being gone for 3 prior days and potentially other men. RC's new attorney playing down the argument. Discussing the argument and how it fits in this crime. Experts are going off on Misty. NG Misty doesn't call 911 until RC comes home and tells her. New attorney for Misty feels the focus should be on RC. Misty's ATTorney questions the last time Haleigh was ever seen besides misty/ronald. Crystal doesn't know the last time, Misty told her 8:00p.m perturberd Crystal has no idea what time Haleigh got out of school and has never tried to find out.

NG This child never had a chance. discussing Haleigh's medical conditions chronic cough hospital admissions Caller: has RC taken a poly believes has passed.. Why has Misty not been arrested... can't be arrested solely on flunked poly Break

wow your good.....

[Justice4all]

I didn't know if i wanted to cry or vomit when Crystal didn't know anything about the last day Haleigh was scene or anything about her school.

[aproudmom]

can anyone tell me what is going on with searches are they still going on? TIA

[Justice4all]

can anyone tell me what is going on with searches are they still going on? TIA

I think Tim will have a major search in two weeks.

[W_D_1]

can anyone tell me what is going on with searches are they still going on? TIA



The one search the other day was because of something specific Misty said. The other searches Tim came back for aren't planned to take place for 6 to 8 weeks.

[happy2bme]

they do not let out at the same time here so they don't have all the kids going to the buses at the same time...but mine are 19 and 13 now of course when they were younger I got them on the bus and off the bus but still the bell would ring like 10 minutes apart that is what I meant...and my father has drove a bus for over 20 years and has never had a child at a home at the same time everyday..I just found it uncalled for by NG to make a big deal out of it when she knew da** well the answer

Thank you.

[ClimbingRose]

To WD1, my apologies to you, my comment wasn't directed at you. I was trying to keep up with Nancy's show and responding to questions during breaks I must have hit the wrong button. It was in no way directed at you.


To All: I was typing while listening as everyone spoke. At times it was somewhat difficult with several commenting while recordings such as TM's being played at the same time. It was never my intention to report any biased comments. I'm sure there were many grammatical errors but my effort was sincere and my words had no ulterior motives.

[tia marie]

Bringing this over from the closed thread.


#925 09-02-2009, 08:46 PM
W_D_1
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lynn Gweeny
Thanks W D 1. I just caught it and saw 8:30 and it went off screen so quick.




Here it is.....Ronald and Misty "had a fight that night at 8:30 over the phone when Ronald was on his way to work. Misty turned her phone off and the next time he heard from her is when she called to say Haleigh was missing and he was pulling in the driveway."


We know the part about driving to work is wrong because he was already at work though.
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I'm voicing my opinion!!!


"We know the part about driving to work is wrong because he was already at work though."/


No I don't know that is wrong, did LE confirm that? This fight is new info that LE hasn't had a chance to confirm or deny yet.

imo

[Lqqkout]

I do believe NG was annoyed because Chrystal in 6 months has never even been interested in who saw Haleigh last and where? Come on now. If it was your child, don't you think you would have turned over every rock to find that information? Also, the fact that she doesn't even know what time she gets out of school or off of the bus? I am sorry, but this woman could not care less about her missing child. She actually sounds about as intelligent as Misty. I thought Nancy was going to cry. I know I get very upset when I hear about another mother who has not interest in her child.

[Viva4Haleigh]

Did anyone hear on NG that Misty and Ron got into a fight over the phone at 8:30 when Ronald was on his way to work?

[ClimbingRose]

wow your good.....

Thank You Sincerely, again my only intention was to get the words out to all of you as it was happening. No hidden agendas or bias.

Clearly, I have much to catch up on. I had no idea what Tim was talking about with 35,000. and other comments he made. Geez

[Justice4all]

Good to see that Crystal and Ron are trying to work together for butterbean.

I'm just shocked Crystal never took the time to know about Haleighs school :(

I thought NG didn't like Crystal before but now i think she really dislikes her.


moo

[aproudmom]

Respectfully, Climbing Rose, there are several links which have been posted and they all say Tim Miller got the information on the $35T from Hank, Sr., and never asked Ron if he'd said this to Hank, Sr.

His lawyer said he did not say that or it was a statement from RC lawyer to me the call sounded like a angry old man and we all know RC and them are not getting along to well right now...I would hope LE would bring his butt in and ask him why he made that call and who are his witnesses..I am not so sure that is true..

[SKARDYKAT]

I didn't know if i wanted to cry or vomit when Crystal didn't know anything about the last day Haleigh was scene or anything about her school.

I know what you mean. I felt the same with all her answers. Especially when she said she didn't know about the school hours because "she doesn't live there". Not an excuse. And, also that her info came from NG's show. I'm afraid I would be in a few faces to get my information or make a big deal trying. She is so passive. I guess I'm like Nancy, some things you just have to know.

[Lqqkout]

To WD1, my apologies to you, my comment wasn't directed at you. I was trying to keep up with Nancy's show and responding to questions during breaks I must have hit the wrong button. It was in no way directed at you.


To All: I was typing while listening as everyone spoke. At times it was somewhat difficult with several commenting while recordings such as TM's being played at the same time. It was never my intention to report any biased comments. I'm sure there were many grammatical errors but my effort was sincere and my words had no ulterior motives.

My goodness, you are a good typist. You should get a job typing testimony for tv while it is being given, Thanks !

[ClimbingRose]

I do believe NG was annoyed because Chrystal in 6 months has never even been interested in who saw Haleigh last and where? Come on now. If it was your child, don't you think you would have turned over every rock to find that information? Also, the fact that she doesn't even know what time she gets out of school or off of the bus? I am sorry, but this woman could not care less about her missing child. She actually sounds about as intelligent as Misty. I thought Nancy was going to cry. I know I get very upset when I hear about another mother who has not interest in her child.

Although I was just trying to keep up with the writing, I did get the same impression as yours. I believe Nancy then states this child never stood a chance?

[W_D_1]

Bringing this over from the closed thread.


snipped per CW


No I don't know that is wrong, did LE confirm that? This fight is new info that LE hasn't had a chance to confirm or deny yet.

imo


LE verified his alibi which was that he went to work right after Haleigh got off the bus and was there until 3am. Even if you want to go by the "8 hours in question" as his work hours then he was at work at 8:30 so either way....yes it's been confirmed.

[Justice4all]

Did anyone hear on NG that Misty and Ron got into a fight over the phone at 8:30 when Ronald was on his way to work?

I'll have to rewind it i thought it said while he was AT work........I might be wrong.

[ClimbingRose]

My goodness, you are a good typist. You should get a job typing testimony for tv while it is being given, Thanks !

I have no idea how they can do what they do. just with my typing I couldn't pay attention to the meat of the story. If I was typing during an interesting trial I wouldn't stand a chance.

[Diamond1]

Good to see that Crystal and Ron are trying to work together for butterbean.

I'm just shocked Crystal never took the time to know about Haleighs school :(

I thought NG didn't like Crystal before but now i think she really dislikes her.


moo

It shows the kind of control Ron has.

[aproudmom]

Good to see that Crystal and Ron are trying to work together for butterbean.

I'm just shocked Crystal never took the time to know about Haleighs school :(

I thought NG didn't like Crystal before but now i think she really dislikes her.


moo

I think CS never wanted all the fighting it was more that lawyer and her mother if you ask me and I hope they can get along for him they are both missing a sweet little girl....I am glad she does not get on there and bash on RC or I did not think she did anyway....

[Viva4Haleigh]

So as of tonight, Ron was going to work at 8:30pm-

Interesting-

jmo

[ClimbingRose]

Did anyone hear on NG that Misty and Ron got into a fight over the phone at 8:30 when Ronald was on his way to work?

IIRC the argument went on for several issues regarding where Misty had been the last few days and something about if she was with someone else.

[SKARDYKAT]

The phone logs are going to be interesting. I should watch the rerun tonight. Besides, I like to see Nancy pick on Richard Herman.

[W_D_1]

It shows the kind of control Ron has.


Ron couldn't stop her from picking up the phone and asking the school what time they let out.

[Justice4all]

It shows the kind of control Ron has.

Why are you blaming Ron? ...Crystal said she never took the time to find out.

[seeker]

One, of many, tributes to Haleigh, found on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bDbIjwozus

[ClimbingRose]

I think CS never wanted all the fighting it was more that lawyer and her mother if you ask me and I hope they can get along for him they are both missing a sweet little girl....I am glad she does not get on there and bash on RC or I did not think she did anyway....

Apparently Crystal has spoke to Ronald about not having Misty around when she picks Jr up and Ronald said duh what you want me to do?

[Diamond1]

Did anyone hear on NG that Misty and Ron got into a fight over the phone at 8:30 when Ronald was on his way to work?

That blows the timeline off by a few more hours if he was on his way to work at 8:30.

[Diamond1]

Why are you blaming Ron? ...Crystal said she never took the time to find out.

She did not say that.

[Tracian]

It shows the kind of control Ron has.



All Crystal would have to do is pick up a phone and call Haleigh's school. She has the right to even have separate conferences and get copies of report cards mailed to her...My hubby had to do that with his ex so it is not impossible and does not take more than a simple phone call.

[tia marie]

I didn't know if i wanted to cry or vomit when Crystal didn't know anything about the last day Haleigh was scene or anything about her school.

I have to admit to being frustrated with Crystal, especially her hesitant responses tonight. I realize neither she, nor Marie are not the most articulate and savvy communicators.

As to Crystal not knowing much about Haleigh's last day, where exactly was Crystal going to get that information from? Ron and Misty sure haven't given a consistent timeline.

moo

[Viva4Haleigh]

Ron couldn't stop her from picking up the phone and asking the school what time they let out.

Do you know that for sure, 100 percent?

[Tracian]

She did not say that.




You're right, she said, "I don't live there"

[openminded]

Good to see that Crystal and Ron are trying to work together for butterbean.

I'm just shocked Crystal never took the time to know about Haleighs school :(

I thought NG didn't like Crystal before but now i think she really dislikes her.


moo

I think in an early interview on NG, Crystal said that Ron wouldn't take phone calls from her until it was time for her to pick the children up so possibly she didn't feel she could call him for information and maybe she's not the type to be proactive about finding out information about school, etc. And, then again, it may not have been important to her.

Whatever the reason, NG has never seemed to me to be a big Crystal fan.

[Lqqkout]

Thank you.

Are you saying it is normal not to know what time your kindergartner gets out of school nor what time she gets off the bus? I understand in may vary by a few minutes, but she did not know.

[happy2bme]

I didn't know if i wanted to cry or vomit when Crystal didn't know anything about the last day Haleigh was scene or anything about her school.

NG will be on in an hour my time but I am not going to judge this mother on 1 day. Like I said earlier, I stopped following this case way back. I did check in from time to time.

Seriously, did I miss something? It's possible since she didn't live with Haleigh that she was not able to talk to her every night or know her every move. Who knows what she was told. JMO

[emdragon]

Have to catch up but wanted to comment on Crystal not knowing what time Haleigh got home from school... To be fair she wasn't the one picking her up every day and lived over 100 miles away.

That said I would have thought she would have checked with the school about that day by now.

[aproudmom]

I have no idea how they can do what they do. just with my typing I couldn't pay attention to the meat of the story. If I was typing during an interesting trial I wouldn't stand a chance.

you are good CR but don't think we are going to pay you...lol:wink:
I just saw the prayer req for a friends son? hope he is better:wub:

[W_D_1]

Do you know that for sure, 100 percent?



She lived 90 minutes away. How was he going to stop her? Stand over her 24 hours a day?

[Viva4Haleigh]

That blows the timeline off by a few more hours if he was on his way to work at 8:30.

Yep-
Very interesting!

[FrankieBones1]

LE verified his alibi which was that he went to work right after Haleigh got off the bus and was there until 3am. Even if you want to go by the "8 hours in question" as his work hours then he was at work at 8:30 so either way....yes it's been confirmed.

Any idea where that little tidbit came from? How did Nancy's show get a hold of this telephone fight and the 8:30pm part? Did this come as a direct quote from LE?

[ClimbingRose]

I do believe NG was annoyed because Chrystal in 6 months has never even been interested in who saw Haleigh last and where? Come on now. If it was your child, don't you think you would have turned over every rock to find that information? Also, the fact that she doesn't even know what time she gets out of school or off of the bus? I am sorry, but this woman could not care less about her missing child. She actually sounds about as intelligent as Misty. I thought Nancy was going to cry. I know I get very upset when I hear about another mother who has not interest in her child.

That's my impression also. Since now all these attorneys are coming in with questions of well, just when was the last time Haleigh was seen, then NG asks Crystal what she had found, of course she didn't have an answer and Nancy was like you haven't been trying to find this out since your daughter is missing ...or something like that. Which is a Valid point

[Justice4all]

Apparently Crystal has spoke to Ronald about not having Misty around when she picks Jr up and Ronald said duh what you want me to do?

then she said that Ron said well what do you want me to do so maybe we can talk about it............


lets try to keep the quotes and facts straight.

[Diamond1]

Are you saying it is normal not to know what time your kindergartner gets out of school nor what time she gets off the bus? I understand in may vary by a few minutes, but she did not know.

Crystal was not allowed that information by control of Ronald Cummings. The court order was changed after Haleigh disappeared to enforce more communication.
mo

[W_D_1]

Any idea where that little tidbit came from? How did Nancy's show get a hold of this telephone fight and the 8:30pm part? Did this come as a direct quote from LE?


It came from Tim Miller. He was speaking while the graphic was on the screen.

[happy2bme]

I do believe NG was annoyed because Chrystal in 6 months has never even been interested in who saw Haleigh last and where? Come on now. If it was your child, don't you think you would have turned over every rock to find that information? Also, the fact that she doesn't even know what time she gets out of school or off of the bus? I am sorry, but this woman could not care less about her missing child. She actually sounds about as intelligent as Misty. I thought Nancy was going to cry. I know I get very upset when I hear about another mother who has not interest in her child.

None of them sound intelligent. JMO

[Lqqkout]

I have to admit to being frustrated with Crystal, especially her hesitant responses tonight. I realize neither she, nor Marie are not the most articulate and savvy communicators.

As to Crystal not knowing much about Haleigh's last day, where exactly was Crystal going to get that information from? Ron and Misty sure haven't given a consistent timeline.

moo

Well, I would have at least called the school to see if she was even in attendance. And I would have canvassed the neighbors and spoke to anyone who would talk to me. I would have turned over every stone. Just think about it. Your child is gone and what, you do nothing? I don't understand how anyone can excuse this behavior.

[jammies]

I didn't know if i wanted to cry or vomit when Crystal didn't know anything about the last day Haleigh was scene or anything about her school.


I was sick to my stomach. She doesn't seem to know anything about Haleigh's life. When Nancy said Haleigh didn't have a chance she was right on the money. :crying:

[Viva4Haleigh]

Wow, I just listened to this again, Ron was on his way to work at 8:30pm,and Misty shut her phone off- and that just isn't what we have heard before! I am shocked!

[SKARDYKAT]

You're right, she said, "I don't live there"

So true. When my son-in-law thought he wasn't getting good answers from me about his son's (the son lived with me) reports, he had no problem walking in the school asking about grades, behavior etc., and started going to conferences. And, of course, he had every right to do so.

[ClimbingRose]

Any idea where that little tidbit came from? How did Nancy's show get a hold of this telephone fight and the 8:30pm part? Did this come as a direct quote from LE?

LE has known about this for some time but have not been able to get Ronald to sit down with them and discuss those phone records and apparently text messages that took place that night. Today RC came back in to review those records but will still not be interviewed by LE about them. Now a new group of LE are coming in. Don't know if that means FBI or who

[W_D_1]

Crystal was not allowed that information by control of Ronald Cummings. The court order was changed after Haleigh disappeared to enforce more communication.
mo



Bull. She could have made a phone call to the school and she could have gone back to court for the right to have a part in Haleigh's education.

[baywench]

I think in an early interview on NG, Crystal said that Ron wouldn't take phone calls from her until it was time for her to pick the children up so possibly she didn't feel she could call him for information and maybe she's not the type to be proactive about finding out information about school, etc. And, then again, it may not have been important to her.

Whatever the reason, NG has never seemed to me to be a big Crystal fan.


Let me first say that I DO NOT believe Crystal had anything to do with Haleigh's dissappearance. That being said, she seems to have trouble getting any interest up, or speaking out about anything. Geez, I just want to shake her. She seems so lifeless and as if she doesn't have a single connected thought. Why give interviews? What a colassal waste of time imo She knows nothing, even if she did I don't think she could verbalize it. jmo

[ClimbingRose]

It came from Tim Miller. He was speaking while the graphic was on the screen.

Thank You btw did you see my sincere apology to you?

don't think I'm ever going to be able to write anymore without spell check

[Diamond1]

Bull. She could have made a phone call to the school and she could have gone back to court for the right to have a part in Haleigh's education.

Not if he told lies to the school and told them not too. And I bet that is exactly what he did.

mo

[openminded]

Let me first say that I DO NOT believe Crystal had anything to do with Haleigh's dissappearance. That being said, she seems to have trouble getting any interest up, or speaking out about anything. Geez, I just want to shake her. She seems so lifeless and as if she doesn't have a single connected thought. Why give interviews? What a colassal waste of time imo She knows nothing, even if she did I don't think she could verbalize it. jmo

She does come across, to me, as extremely passive or inarticulate or something and has from the first interview I saw on NG.

[Justice4all]

You're right, she said, "I don't live there"

very true...i'm sorry i just went back and listen.. I'll be glad when the transcript comes out.


she said "i dont live there,...i don't live there and she said she was never TOLD those kind of things."


what a poor excuse for a mother. why didnt she call the school or go to the school?

[tia marie]

So as of tonight, Ron was going to work at 8:30pm-

Interesting-

jmo

Yes, that's a new start time isn't it? Does PDM have this shift?

[Tracian]

Crystal was not allowed that information by control of Ronald Cummings. The court order was changed after Haleigh disappeared to enforce more communication.
mo

I didn't see anywhere in the court order that Crystal was ordered not to have any contact with Haleigh's school.

[Tracian]

Yes, that's a new start time isn't it? Does PDM have this shift?



Don't you think that LE is well aware of Ron's work hours and where he was? Do you really believe they are that inept?

[Viva4Haleigh]

Yes, that's a new start time isn't it? Does PDM have this shift?

So Ron was on his way to work at 8:30? Then Misty turns her phone off, how weird! See how much we all really know? I knew at least he was at work at 7pm, but I was wrong, it was later! This is pretty weird!

[openminded]

very true...i'm sorry i just went back and listen.. I'll be glad when the transcript comes out.


she said "i dont live there,...i don't live there and she said she was never TOLD those kind of things."


what a poor excuse for a mother. why didnt she call the school or go to the school?

Many parents, unfortunately, do not care about their child's education. Possibly she's one of those parents.

[Diamond1]

Let me first say that I DO NOT believe Crystal had anything to do with Haleigh's dissappearance. That being said, she seems to have trouble getting any interest up, or speaking out about anything. Geez, I just want to shake her. She seems so lifeless and as if she doesn't have a single connected thought. Why give interviews? What a colassal waste of time imo She knows nothing, even if she did I don't think she could verbalize it. jmo

A missing child would probably drain the life out of a person after all this time. She and Marie both looked completely drained of all energy and life. It is sad.

mo

[panman]

NG will be on in an hour my time but I am not going to judge this mother on 1 day. Like I said earlier, I stopped following this case way back. I did check in from time to time.

Seriously, did I miss something? It's possible since she didn't live with Haleigh that she was not able to talk to her every night or know her every move. Who knows what she was told. JMO

All Crystal had to do was ask the courts to intervene, IMO. Ask the courts to allow her access to the school info, records, etc.

And, IIRC, way back in the beginning Crystal was asked about Haleighs teacher and Crystal did not even know her name.

[Justice4all]

Crystal was not allowed that information by control of Ronald Cummings. The court order was changed after Haleigh disappeared to enforce more communication.
mo

OHhhhhhhhhh please stop putting all the blame on Ronald. She's parent she could have had the info. Ron did not have SOLE custody.


There is NO excuse for Crystal not know about Haleighs school.

[Diamond1]

So Ron was on his way to work at 8:30? Then Misty turns her phone off, how weird! See how much we all really know? I knew at least he was at work at 7pm, but I was wrong, it was later! This is pretty weird!


Yes it is. It exposes a big lie. He previously said that he went to work after he got Haleigh off the school bus.

[Tracian]

Not if he told lies to the school and told them not too. And I bet that is exactly what he did.

mo


Unless Ron had a court order that denied her of her rights to participate in Haleigh's education, then that is nonsense.

The parent always has the right to school records unless a court order is in place otherwise.

Also, Crystal didn't say, "I tried, but the school would not tell me" She said "I don't live there"

[SKARDYKAT]

I didn't see anywhere in the court order that Crystal was ordered not to have any contact with Haleigh's school.

I do believe all you have to do is be a parent; that a court order is not necessary. Although, like taxes the court puts it in even though it's not necessary.
:beer: okey, you probably don't drink but you get my drift.

[Justice4all]

A missing child would probably drain the life out of a person after all this time. She and Marie both looked completely drained of all energy and life. It is sad.

mo

Their make up and hair looked perfect and Crystal sure was good at rolling her eyes.

I'm glad her and Nancy weren't in the same room together. lol


moo

[W_D_1]

Yes it is. It exposes a big lie. He previously said that he went to work after he got Haleigh off the school bus.



Yes he did and the police verified that alibi.

[Diamond1]

OHhhhhhhhhh please stop putting all the blame on Ronald. She's parent she could have had the info. Ron did not have SOLE custody.


There is NO excuse for Crystal not know about Haleighs school.

She was not in school long before she disappeared. It has been almost 7 months so I will cut her a break but you can carry on as you wish if it is that big a deal to you.
mo

[Tracian]

Yes it is. It exposes a big lie. He previously said that he went to work after he got Haleigh off the school bus.


Strange that LE never said that Ron was inconsistent.

[Diamond1]

Yes he did and the police verified that alibi.

Did you hear the news tonight? Apparently it was not verified.

[jimbob]

Many parents, unfortunately, do not care about their child's education. Possibly she's one of those parents.

She certainly left that open to question OM , but it went beyond that for me.When asked if she had spoken to Misty about this she didnt have an answer there either.Other than no that is,that is shocking.

[Viva4Haleigh]

All Crystal had to do was ask the courts to intervene, IMO. Ask the courts to allow her access to the school info, records, etc.

And, IIRC, way back in the beginning Crystal was asked about Haleighs teacher and Crystal did not even know her name.

Right, so do you know if Ron was offering her insight on Haleigh life? I want to know if he invited her there for her first day of school and she declined- I want to know if he let her know about Haleighs school, I mean, did she know Haleigh was missing so much? It goes both ways, we know she didn't have them during school, but how much was Ron sharing- that is important.

So, jeez, did you hear tonight there was a fight between Ron and Misty at 8:30pm, when Ron was on his way to work?

Does anyone know the travel distance he would have had to take, I mean if Annette was there at 7, did she see Ron?

jmo

[FrankieBones1]

It came from Tim Miller. He was speaking while the graphic was on the screen.

*eye roll here* Well, that explains everything.

Thanks, WD. Appreciate it.

[Lqqkout]

[QUOTE=aproudmom;13431668]you are good CR but don't think we are going to pay you...lol:wink:
I just saw the prayer req for a friends son? hope he is better:wub:[/QUOT

I missed the prayer request. Please send it to me by pm or repost it. My life was saved I believe through the prayer of many people and through my own. I truly believe it will work. I apologize for OT.

[jammies]

Let me first say that I DO NOT believe Crystal had anything to do with Haleigh's dissappearance. That being said, she seems to have trouble getting any interest up, or speaking out about anything. Geez, I just want to shake her. She seems so lifeless and as if she doesn't have a single connected thought. Why give interviews? What a colassal waste of time imo She knows nothing, even if she did I don't think she could verbalize it. jmo


ITA, bay. Having either parent on is a waste of time, IMO.

[W_D_1]

She was not in school long before she disappeared. It has been almost 7 months so I will cut her a break but you can carry on as you wish if it is that big a deal to you.
mo


She was in school for SIX months, more than enough time for her mother to know what time school let out each day. And kindergarten is a big deal in most families. It's a very special time in a child's life.

[Justice4all]

She was not in school long before she disappeared. It has been almost 7 months so I will cut her a break but you can carry on as you wish if it is that big a deal to you.
mo

cut her a break? have you ever cut Ron a break? and by the way i'm talking about Crystal because she was on NG tonight and did PITIFUL..

moo

[W_D_1]

Did you hear the news tonight? Apparently it was not verified.


Since I typed it and posted it verbatim, yes I heard but guess what? It came from Tim Miller, not the police. The police who actually investigated this case verified his alibi which was that he went to work right after Haleigh got off the bus.

[panman]

Many parents, unfortunately, do not care about their child's education. Possibly she's one of those parents.

IMO, I always felt that Crystal was content with the way things were.

Did I hear Crystal say that she heard about Misty's inconsistencies from NG's show but Marie heard about them from LE?

[Viva4Haleigh]

cut her a break? have you ever cut Ron a break? and by the way i'm talking about Crystal because she was on NG tonight and did PITIFUL..

moo

What do you make of Ron going to work at 8:30pm? How did he get her off the bus then leave for work so many hours early as Misty claims? She turned her phone off too- thats nuts!

[Tracian]

Did you hear the news tonight? Apparently it was not verified.


What news? Do you really think LE has not verified where Ron was after 7 months?

[openminded]

I have to admit that I was extremely disappointed. I was hoping to see some fire coming from Crystal this time. Nancy's right, Haleigh never stood a chance with these two parenting. Neither one are capable or adept at raising children, they behave like children themselves. Very disturbing that Junior is still being subjected to this. The cycle will continue to the next generation.

moo

I don't always agree with Nancy but I did agree with that statement.

[Diamond1]

She was in school for SIX months, more than enough time for her mother to know what time school let out each day. And kindergarten is a big deal in most families. It's a very special time in a child's life.

Well obviously Ronald made sure that she was not informed or allowed information.

[W_D_1]

*eye roll here* Well, that explains everything.

Thanks, WD. Appreciate it.



Your welcome.

[FrankieBones1]

All Crystal had to do was ask the courts to intervene, IMO. Ask the courts to allow her access to the school info, records, etc.

And, IIRC, way back in the beginning Crystal was asked about Haleighs teacher and Crystal did not even know her name.
Both parents shared custody. Ron had the residential custody but I doubt that would stop Sheffield from emailing the school or calling the school to see how her little girl was doing.

And after her daughter went missing, I'm sure the school would have bent over backwards to give her information about what time school let out that day, what time Haleigh boarded the bus, etc...

I know I'd want to know everything that my little girl did before she disappeared. I do not blame Nancy one bit for being annoyed. Like Nancy said, "Haleigh never had a chance". I knew exactly what Nancy meant and why she said it then and there.

In my humble opinion.

[Diamond1]

What news? Do you really think LE has not verified where Ron was after 7 months?

I am sure LE knows.

[Tracian]

Well obviously Ronald made sure that she was not informed or allowed information.


That's not what is obvious, IMO it is obvious that she didn't take the time to try and get the information.

[Justice4all]

Did you hear the news tonight? Apparently it was not verified.

what show was that on? i must have missed that...ty

[Viva4Haleigh]

What news? Do you really think LE has not verified where Ron was after 7 months?

How weird is it, that he is on his way to work, at 8:30pm- hes fighting with Misty, she shuts her phone off, and then thats the night Haleigh went missing-

Pretty weird, especially since we were led to beleive he got her off the bus and went to work-

Does anyone else find this disarming?

[W_D_1]

Well obviously Ronald made sure that she was not informed or allowed information.


Please post proof of that since you claim it's so obvious. Her not knowing what time Haleigh got out of school is not proof. BTW, much like her admitting she didn't feel like getting out of bed for some dr's appts she isn't blaming Ron.

[mgrey]

*eye roll here* Well, that explains everything.
Thanks, WD. Appreciate it.What does that explain and why the *eye roll here* :confused:

[Tracian]

I am sure LE knows.


Yep, me too. And not once has LE said they have a problem with Ron's statements...but the same cannot be said for Misty.

[emdragon]

So Ron was on his way to work at 8:30? Then Misty turns her phone off, how weird! See how much we all really know? I knew at least he was at work at 7pm, but I was wrong, it was later! This is pretty weird!

It doesn't matter.
As I said earlier as of the 17th LE stated neither parent was considered a suspect which means they had all the answers they needed prior to that date and were satisfied with them.

[Justice4all]

I am sure LE knows.

and he's not a suspect and they said his work has been verified.

[FrankieBones1]

You're right, she said, "I don't live there"

You are partly correct. I take good notes when I watch Nancy's shows.

Sheffield said, "I don't live there".

Another lame excuse of hers tonight was, "No one told me".

In my opinion and notes.

[Diamond1]

That's not what is obvious, IMO it is obvious that she didn't take the time to try and get the information.

It could be that way or it could be that Ron informed the school not to communicate with her. We do not know for sure.

[Tracian]

How weird is it, that he is on his way to work, at 8:30pm- hes fighting with Misty, she shuts her phone off, and then thats the night Haleigh went missing-

Pretty weird, especially since we were led to beleive he got her off the bus and went to work-

Does anyone else find this disarming?


I don't think that LE is so lame as to not verify Ron and where he was.
LE is not having issues with Ron...they have issues with Misty.

[Viva4Haleigh]

and he's not a suspect and they said his work has been verified.

So how did he get her off the bus then leave for work? do you think he was going for employee of the month and got to work 4 hours early? I mean if thats so, thats dedication!

[W_D_1]

Both parents shared custody. Ron had the residential custody but I doubt that would stop Sheffield from emailing the school or calling the school to see how her little girl was doing.

And after her daughter went missing, I'm sure the school would have bent over backwards to give her information about what time school let out that day, what time Haleigh boarded the bus, etc...

I know I'd want to know everything that my little girl did before she disappeared. I do not blame Nancy one bit for being annoyed. Like Nancy said, "Haleigh never had a chance". I knew exactly what Nancy meant and why she said it then and there.

In my humble opinion.


I'm not saying her school was the same but in the information packet from our schools is a form letting parents know that non custodial parents are entitled to information and telling them to bring their divorce decree/custody docs to school to start getting the information.

[Tracian]

It could be that way or it could be that Ron informed the school not to communicate with her. We do not know for sure.

Without a court order the school cannot refuse information to a parent.

[Themis]

I have to admit that I was extremely disappointed. I was hoping to see some fire coming from Crystal this time. Nancy's right, Haleigh never stood a chance with these two parenting. Neither one are capable or adept at raising children, they behave like children themselves. Very disturbing that Junior is still being subjected to this. The cycle will continue to the next generation.

moo
I agree with you, Tia Marie. I've bent over backward in giving Crystal the benefit of the doubt. Unfortunately, I still see a Crystal mostly unchanged since 2005. Her main focus has been on her current boyfriend, her child by him, and taking care of his children.

I am not saying Crystal does not love her children by Ron C. I believe she does. I believe she enjoys having them visit for 48 hours every other weekend. But when it comes to true involvement on those things that she has a right to know and a right to do the word apathetic comes to mind. [JMO * Themis]

[Lqqkout]

So true. When my son-in-law thought he wasn't getting good answers from me about his son's (the son lived with me) reports, he had no problem walking in the school asking about grades, behavior etc., and started going to conferences. And, of course, he had every right to do so.


That was because he cared about his son and was at least interested. There is NO court order that disallowed Chrystal calling the school. At least to find out if Haleigh had even been there that fateful day. There is absolutely no excuse for her disinterest in her daughter's life,.

[mgrey]

What do you make of Ron going to work at 8:30pm? How did he get her off the bus then leave for work so many hours early as Misty claims? She turned her phone off too- thats nuts!I wonder what Ron was saying to cause her to shut her phone off.

[Justice4all]

So how did he get her off the bus then leave for work? do you think he was going for employee of the month and got to work 4 hours early? I mean if thats so, thats dedication!

what are you talking about?

[panman]

Right, so do you know if Ron was offering her insight on Haleigh life? I want to know if he invited her there for her first day of school and she declined- I want to know if he let her know about Haleighs school, I mean, did she know Haleigh was missing so much? It goes both ways, we know she didn't have them during school, but how much was Ron sharing- that is important.

So, jeez, did you hear tonight there was a fight between Ron and Misty at 8:30pm, when Ron was on his way to work?

Does anyone know the travel distance he would have had to take, I mean if Annette was there at 7, did she see Ron?

jmo

Geez, I thought you were starting to think a bit different earlier. IMO, Crystal needs to be blamed for her inactions. Not Ron. Your right. It goes both ways, and its way past time that Crystal shows some initiative toward her first two kids, IMO.

I heard about the fight, but thats it so far. On the way to work or he was at work? IDK.

[W_D_1]

How weird is it, that he is on his way to work, at 8:30pm- hes fighting with Misty, she shuts her phone off, and then thats the night Haleigh went missing-

Pretty weird, especially since we were led to beleive he got her off the bus and went to work-

Does anyone else find this disarming?

Nope I find it's a mistake on Tim Miller's part.

[Viva4Haleigh]

I don't think that LE is so lame as to not verify Ron and where he was.
LE is not having issues with Ron...they have issues with Misty.

It sounds like they have issues with Ron since they are inviting him for questioning-

Theres some big fight, Rons going to work at 8:30 and Haleigh goes missing and Misty turns off her phone? Isn't she watching the kids, shouldn't there be a lifeline in case something happens?

[Viva4Haleigh]

Geez, I thought you were starting to think a bit different earlier. IMO, Crystal needs to be blamed for her inactions. Not Ron. Your right. It goes both ways, and its way past time that Crystal shows some initiative toward her first two kids, IMO.

I heard about the fight, but thats it so far. On the way to work or he was at work? IDK.

Ok, but Crystal being a crappy parent has nothing to do with Haleigh going missing, unless you are saying had she got custody to begin with none of this would of happened, which I would agree-

So since we know that Ron was on his way to work at 8:30- cops are calling them in to talk about these phone records where Misty shuts her phone off- that has more to do with Haleigh than Crystal being not so involved-

jmo

[Lqqkout]

She certainly left that open to question OM , but it went beyond that for me.When asked if she had spoken to Misty about this she didnt have an answer there either.Other than no that is,that is shocking.

I remember Chrystal was asked that question early on after the disappearance and she said she had not spoken to Haleigh for 2 weeks prior. I don't know why Chrystal couldn't remember that. I did.

[SKARDYKAT]

[QUOTE=Rucky*Ron;13431764]09-02-2009, 07:43 PM
Justice4all

IMO Crystal never visited Haleigh at school, never went to PTA meetings ,and Never went to parent teacher meetings.

Tonight i think she proved my point..........
__________________

Brought over from locked thread.

Nancy was livid!
I'm with you, there is no excuse for not knowing what time your child gets out of school, off the bus or anything else to do with her day-to-day activities.

Crystal wouldn't have had to go through Ron to check with her daughter's teachers.
A phone call or stopping by the school occasionally would have been sufficient.

I am saddened to see the apparently uncaring mother she was born to.
"She never had a chance." to quote NG

MOO[/QUO

I am beginning to think Crystal is a "cronic victim". You know the type. It's not my fault...I didn't have a car...I don't live there...I missed my court date..... ... ..

[jammies]

It sounds like they have issues with Ron since they are inviting him for questioning-

Theres some big fight, Rons going to work at 8:30 and Haleigh goes missing and Misty turns off her phone? Isn't she watching the kids, shouldn't there be a lifeline in case something happens?


Could Ron have come home on a lunch/dinner break then went back to work at 8:30?

[Lqqkout]

I wonder what Ron was saying to cause her to shut her phone off.

I imagine he was yelling at her and questioning her about her missing weekend,.

[W_D_1]

It sounds like they have issues with Ron since they are inviting him for questioning-

Theres some big fight, Rons going to work at 8:30 and Haleigh goes missing and Misty turns off her phone? Isn't she watching the kids, shouldn't there be a lifeline in case something happens?


The police verified his alibi.

AH said police told him Ron's phone pings put him at work all night.

It sounds like Tim Miller made a mistake.

[W_D_1]

Could Ron have come home on a lunch/dinner break then went back to work at 8:30?


Not according to Art Harris. He said police told him pings put Ron at work all night and coworkers saw him eating in the cfeteria at PDM.

[panman]

Please post proof of that since you claim it's so obvious. Her not knowing what time Haleigh got out of school is not proof. BTW, much like her admitting she didn't feel like getting out of bed for some dr's appts she isn't blaming Ron.

I wonder why when Crystal was with Misty, meaning when she asked Misty if she could have something of Haleighs, that Crystal didn't ask Misty then what happened.

[Diamond1]

Without a court order the school cannot refuse information to a parent.

Do you for a fact that is the procedure in Florida? I know of custodial parents in my area that fill out the paper work at the school and refuse to allow the school to release any information to the non-custodial parent at all. I have friends that do that so I know it can be done.

[FrankieBones1]

I'm not saying her school was the same but in the information packet from our schools is a form letting parents know that non custodial parents are entitled to information and telling them to bring their divorce decree/custody docs to school to start getting the information.

Right on, WD. The only reason our school will not allow info out to a parent or allow the parent in the school is when there has been a threat or harm done to the child by that parent and the school has been made aware of. We also have photos of the offending parents on a sheet so we are needed to memorize them.
This is not my opinion but my observation.

[Justice4all]

Nope I find it's a mistake on Tim Miller's part.

ITA......Wouldn't be the first time Tim accidentally got something wrong.

[emdragon]

So how did he get her off the bus then leave for work? do you think he was going for employee of the month and got to work 4 hours early? I mean if thats so, thats dedication!

I thought early in the case it was said he was working 12 hour shifts?
I searched some of NG transcripts last night and would be happy to do so again.

But sadly I am afraid even if I do I won't be able to provide you with the information since we will be locked out because people have nit pick and make stuff up about BOTH parents just so they say this one was worse than that one.

[W_D_1]

I wonder why when Crystal was with Misty, meaning when she asked Misty if she could have something of Haleighs, that Crystal didn't ask Misty then what happened.


It wasn't important to her?

[Diamond1]

Could Ron have come home on a lunch/dinner break then went back to work at 8:30?

I don't think so. I think this is information that has been leaked. Hopefully there will be some confirmation soon if it is true or not.

[Themis]

< snipped >

Theres some big fight, Rons going to work at 8:30 and Haleigh goes missing and Misty turns off her phone? Isn't she watching the kids, shouldn't there be a lifeline in case something happens?
Do you really expect any of these people to think of something like setting up 'lifeline in case somethings happens?'
I am not being sarcastic, my question is based on watching and listening to them speak on camera. None of them, IMO, think farther than what's on for today and what the latest gossip is. [JMO * Themis]

[Justice4all]

Not true!
Everyone is afraid of Ron's temper!

The school probably had caller-ID installed just so they wouldn't accidentally pick up if Crystal called!

He runs the town, don't cha' know..? :huh:

when my sister and i finished watching NG i told her CS did sooooooo horribly bad that people on here would twist it and make it ALL RC's fault even though she didn't say a bad word about him.......


Pretty amazing isn't it?

[panman]

Ok, but Crystal being a crappy parent has nothing to do with Haleigh going missing, unless you are saying had she got custody to begin with none of this would of happened, which I would agree-

So since we know that Ron was on his way to work at 8:30- cops are calling them in to talk about these phone records where Misty shuts her phone off- that has more to do with Haleigh than Crystal being not so involved-

jmo

I have never thought that Crystal, nor Ron, had anything to do with Haleigh being missing. And even if Crystal had custody, I could never say it couldn't happen there.

I need to hear more about this 8:30 deal.

[tia marie]

I'm not saying her school was the same but in the information packet from our schools is a form letting parents know that non custodial parents are entitled to information and telling them to bring their divorce decree/custody docs to school to start getting the information.

After watching Crystal tonight and her other appearances, do you really think she has the backbone or gumption to express herself or the strength to challenge Ron on anything? I have to say Crystal is the epitome of a passive, abused young woman . Making herself known at Haleigh's school could very well have set Ron off on yet another tangent, harmful to Haleigh who would have caught the brunt of his anger.

moo

[jimbob]

Not according to Art Harris. He said police told him pings put Ron at work all night and coworkers saw him eating in the cfeteria at PDM.

Out of curiosity , what do Fla LE define as a "ping" ? Is that a call made or recieved (text) or is it conceivable that by leaving a phone somewhere it would perhaps "ping" whether the user is there or not?

[Viva4Haleigh]

Do you really expect any of these people to think of something like setting up 'lifeline in case somethings happens?'
I am not being sarcastic, my question is based on watching and listening to them speak on camera. None of them, IMO, think farther than what's on for today and what the latest gossip is. [JMO * Themis]

I really dont know, I just know I heard tonight Ron was on his way to work at 8:30 and Ron and Misty were fighting- I mean I cant help but think Haleigh got in the middle of a fight- and maybe got hurt, and Misty kows her death was a complete accident and feels responsible because she went out the weekend before and was unfaithful and angered Ron-

If there was a fight that night, at that time, Haleigh would have been there to see or hear it-

jmo

[Lqqkout]

She was not in school long before she disappeared. It has been almost 7 months so I will cut her a break but you can carry on as you wish if it is that big a deal to you.
mo

I do think it's a big deal. Why do you dismiss it and cut her a break? I am not saying she had anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance, but how can you condone a mother's obvious disinterest in her 5 yr old child. Doesn't school start in Sept? That was 5 months she was in school or am I wrong? She should not have custody of any children. It's all about her. Selfish people don't make loving mothers.

[FrankieBones1]

Nope I find it's a mistake on Tim Miller's part.

You got that right! In my opinion, of course.

[W_D_1]

Out of curiosity , what do Fla LE define as a "ping" ? Is that a call made or recieved (text) or is it conceivable that by leaving a phone somewhere it would perhaps "ping" whether the user is there or not?


A phone will ping as long as it is turned on. No calls or texts have to be made.

[Justice4all]

It wasn't important to her?

Doesn't seem that way................MOO

[W_D_1]

After watching Crystal tonight and her other appearances, do you really think she has the backbone or gumption to express herself or the strength to challenge Ron on anything? I have to say Crystal is the epitome of a passive, abused young woman . Making herself known at Haleigh's school could very well have set Ron off on yet another tangent, harmful to Haleigh who would have caught the brunt of his anger.

moo

We've only seen what Crystal wants us to see. I won't label her as passive or abused because she may be acting meek. She had no problem calling DCF on him on atleast 2 occasions so I have no reason to believe she was too meek to call the school about her child.

[jimbob]

A phone will ping as long as it is turned on. No calls or texts have to be made.

So if i turned my phone on and left it here at home , i could fly to china for the weekend and police would place me here according to my cell phone records..i see.Thank you

[Viva4Haleigh]

Doesn't seem that way................MOO

Right. And now maybe she will never ever get the chance to see Haleigh do anything again because the child Ron left the kids with cant pass anything that tests the truth and all that fun stuff- So Crystal wont more than likely ever have the chance to make up her faults and now more than likely will be the mother of a dead child- does that make anyone happy? I mean seriously-

[panman]

After watching Crystal tonight and her other appearances, do you really think she has the backbone or gumption to express herself or the strength to challenge Ron on anything? I have to say Crystal is the epitome of a passive, abused young woman . Making herself known at Haleigh's school could very well have set Ron off on yet another tangent, harmful to Haleigh who would have caught the brunt of his anger.

moo

IMO, she showed she had a backbone when defending herself against rumors of where she was the day of the dumpster search.

[Diamond1]

After watching Crystal tonight and her other appearances, do you really think she has the backbone or gumption to express herself or the strength to challenge Ron on anything? I have to say Crystal is the epitome of a passive, abused young woman . Making herself known at Haleigh's school could very well have set Ron off on yet another tangent, harmful to Haleigh who would have caught the brunt of his anger.

moo

I agree. Crystal is very shy, insecure and passive. She has got to get some counseling or something for herself to strengthen her will and help her to gain some confidence to stand up for herself.

[W_D_1]

So if i turned my phone on and left it here at home , i could fly to china for the weekend and police would place me here according to my cell phone records..i see.Thank you



No they wouldn't place you at home just because your phone pinged at home. The police aren't stupid.

[SKARDYKAT]

Do you for a fact that is the procedure in Florida? I know of custodial parents in my area that fill out the paper work at the school and refuse to allow the school to release any information to the non-custodial parent at all. I have friends that do that so I know it can be done.


http://search.fldoe.org/default.asp?cx=012683245092260330905%3Aalo4lmikgz4&cof=FORID%3A11&q=non-custodial+parent#1156

Only unless someone has lost parental rights.

[aproudmom]

Ron couldn't stop her from picking up the phone and asking the school what time they let out.

why would she need to? did she not ride a bus home:confused: I am sure CS knows she was let out a little after 3 she was only 5 when she was taken right what grade was she in and my gosh I do not see the big deal actually I think a child missing is much more important and that is the question NG wanted CS is going off what she was told by RC and MC she has said and even TN has said they do not get information from LE...and LE has said RC story has been cleared and did he not say he picked her up at the stop and misty gave the time line from there CS knows just what we do pretty much nothing....imo

[Diamond1]

IMO, she showed she had a backbone when defending herself against rumors of where she was the day of the dumpster search.

Because that made her mad. A person cannot stay mad all the time in order to stand up for themselves.

[baywench]

[QUOTE=Rucky*Ron;13431764]09-02-2009, 07:43 PM
Justice4all

IMO Crystal never visited Haleigh at school, never went to PTA meetings ,and Never went to parent teacher meetings.

Tonight i think she proved my point..........
__________________

Brought over from locked thread.

Nancy was livid!
I'm with you, there is no excuse for not knowing what time your child gets out of school, off the bus or anything else to do with her day-to-day activities.

Crystal wouldn't have had to go through Ron to check with her daughter's teachers.
A phone call or stopping by the school occasionally would have been sufficient.

I am saddened to see the apparently uncaring mother she was born to.
"She never had a chance." to quote NG

MOO[/QUO

I am beginning to think Crystal is a "cronic victim". You know the type. It's not my fault...I didn't have a car...I don't live there...I missed my court date..... ... ..

I agree. To me there is only one true victim far. Yesterday before all the $35,000 phone call fiasco, I thought this case was finally getting somewhere. Finally some movement. Now it seems although it has descended into some Maury Povich/Jerry Springer scenario. Really makes no sense now. Seems more "I know I am but what are you". Ridiculous. How did things go so low? jmo

[Lqqkout]

Do you for a fact that is the procedure in Florida? I know of custodial parents in my area that fill out the paper work at the school and refuse to allow the school to release any information to the non-custodial parent at all. I have friends that do that so I know it can be done.

My goodness......Chrystal didn't care about Haleigh! With due respect, Why can't you believe that? What has Chrystal said that has made you so convinced that she loved and cared about Haleigh? That she tried and tried to contact her and her school, but that Ron had somehow gotten all these court orders to stop her in her tracks? Because I have seen no evidence of it/

[titanfan217]

they do not let out at the same time here so they don't have all the kids going to the buses at the same time...but mine are 19 and 13 now of course when they were younger I got them on the bus and off the bus but still the bell would ring like 10 minutes apart that is what I meant...and my father has drove a bus for over 20 years and has never had a child at a home at the same time everyday..I just found it uncalled for by NG to make a big deal out of it when she knew da** well the answer

I didn't know that knowing what time a child gets out of school and what time the bus gets there makes a person a good mother.

I thought the original question was who & what time did someone other than Misty or Ron see HaLeigh.

And notice when Crystal mentioned who had supposedly been at the home, she only knew about the air conditioner man and the brother.

[panman]

Right. And now maybe she will never ever get the chance to see Haleigh do anything again because the child Ron left the kids with cant pass anything that tests the truth and all that fun stuff- So Crystal wont more than likely ever have the chance to make up her faults and now more than likely will be the mother of a dead child- does that make anyone happy? I mean seriously-

Nope, it doesn't make me happy. What also doesn't make me happy is noticing tonite she still seems to not have taken an interest in Haleighs life.
jmo

[Viva4Haleigh]

I didn't know that knowing what time a child gets out of school and what time the bus gets there makes a person a good mother.

I thought the original question was who & what time did someone other than Misty or Ron see HaLeigh.

And notice when Crystal mentioned who had supposedly been at the home, she only knew about the air conditioner man and the brother.

Then Nancy was shaking her head, angered that Crystal insinuated Misty was doing drugs the weekend prior, then it was basically confirmed by others like Natisha Lance and all that- Nancy seems to be easily swayed and taken in with Miss Nancy! I hope when this breaks and Misty and Ron are in jail, Crystal goes on JVM or somewhere else and boycotts Nancy-



jmo

[emdragon]

I'm looking but we can start with this from AMW

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=63252

Cops say Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, 25, works for a bridge company, usually 4 p.m. to 3 a.m., and came home sometime after 3 a.m.

[Diamond1]

My goodness......Chrystal didn't care about Haleigh! With due respect, Why can't you believe that? What has Chrystal said that has made you so convinced that she loved and cared about Haleigh? That she tried and tried to contact her and her school, but that Ron had somehow gotten all these court orders to stop her in her tracks? Because I have seen no evidence of it/

I never said he had court orders. All he has to do is threaten her and she will back away. Anyone can see that in her. He is the stronger personality. The controller.

[panman]

Because that made her mad. A person cannot stay mad all the time in order to stand up for themselves.

I get it. Crystal can get mad, but Ron can't.

[Viva4Haleigh]

Nope, it doesn't make me happy. What also doesn't make me happy is noticing tonite she still seems to not have taken an interest in Haleighs life.
jmo

Why do you think if she didn't care about her kids she didn't sign off her parental rights?

[W_D_1]

Do the rights of noncustodial parents differ from those of custodial parents?

No. FERPA affords full rights to either parent unless the school has been provided with evidence
that there is a court order, state statute, or legally binding document that specifically revokes
these rights. This was endorsed by the 2001 Legislature through revisions to Section 61.13(2)(b),Florida Statutes, which clarifies the rights of access to records and information pertaining to a
minor child, including the right to in-person communication with medical, dental, and education
providers, apply to either parent in the absence of a court order specifically revoking these
rights.
http://www.fldoe.org/ese/pdf/ferpa.pdf

Ron could not stop the school from sharing information with Crystal. He would have to have had a court order or legally binding document. This is a Federal law so the school has to comply with it and wouldn't risk losing funding over a 25 year old nobody.

[titanfan217]

Did anyone hear on NG that Misty and Ron got into a fight over the phone at 8:30 when Ronald was on his way to work?

If that is true, then he didn't work 8 hours, or was he going back after being there earlier?

[Diamond1]

I didn't know that knowing what time a child gets out of school and what time the bus gets there makes a person a good mother.

I thought the original question was who & what time did someone other than Misty or Ron see HaLeigh.

And notice when Crystal mentioned who had supposedly been at the home, she only knew about the air conditioner man and the brother.

I think LE's focus is on Misty and Ron. It seems that Crystal has not been given much information at all.

[CFMom]

Because that made her mad. A person cannot stay mad all the time in order to stand up for themselves.

If my child was missing I'd think that would be reason enough to stand up for myself and my child...as for her not knowing the time school let out..doesnt shock me..she didnt pay childsupport either. Her kids in my opinion, the first two at least, wasnt top of the list to her. However she has lost a daughter and for this reason my heart goes out to her.

[Viva4Haleigh]

I'm looking but we can start with this from AMW

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=63252

That is the only news source that reports that- Tonight we know that at 8:30 Ron was going to work and him and Misty were fighting, and Misty turned off her phone- so unless he was there for a break, that is inaccurate- That is the ONLY news source that reports those hours-

[Themis]

After watching Crystal tonight and her other appearances, do you really think she has the backbone or gumption to express herself or the strength to challenge Ron on anything? I have to say Crystal is the epitome of a passive, abused young woman . Making herself known at Haleigh's school could very well have set Ron off on yet another tangent, harmful to Haleigh who would have caught the brunt of his anger.

moo
Tia Marie, your description of Crystal is definitely something I can agree with except for the characterization of 'abused.' From all I have watched on TV and in the videos, reading the transcript of the child custody hearing back in December 2005 she comes across to me as being disengaged, passive, and uninterested. It is her mother, Marie, that speaks up and who I think is the driving force behind any attempt by Crystal to take any action.

As for your last sentence, I cannot agree. Crystal has said repeatedly that Haleigh is Ron's heart. Those are strong words. So why would Ron take anything out on Haleigh for being irritated/angry for Crystal learning about Haleigh's school, her classes, her teacher, her schedule, etc. [JMO * Themis]

[panman]

I never said he had court orders. All he has to do is threaten her and she will back away. Anyone can see that in her. He is the stronger personality. The controller.

Since I don't see you state that as an opinion, can I see the link to prove your statement? TIA

[mgrey]

I didn't know that knowing what time a child gets out of school and what time the bus gets there makes a person a good mother.

I thought the original question was who & what time did someone other than Misty or Ron see HaLeigh.

And notice when Crystal mentioned who had supposedly been at the home, she only knew about the air conditioner man and the brother.I wonder if Crystal had custody of the kids, would Ron know what time Haleigh got out of school? I think not. I don't know why she even asked her that. What did it have to do with anything?

No mention of AS being there that night again. jmo

[panman]

Why do you think if she didn't care about her kids she didn't sign off her parental rights?

Good question but I guess you'll have to get the answer from Crystal, or maybe Marie.

[Lqqkout]

Out of curiosity , what do Fla LE define as a "ping" ? Is that a call made or recieved (text) or is it conceivable that by leaving a phone somewhere it would perhaps "ping" whether the user is there or not?

Yes, it would ping as long as it was turned on. I doubt Ron would be familiar with that enough to leave his cell at work, run home and kill and hide Haleigh hoping LE would ping his cell. C'mon who are we dealing with Einstein?

[jimbob]

No they wouldn't place you at home just because your phone pinged at home. The police aren't stupid.

Please do explain quite how your theory works on that please ?

Lets say i leave my phone at home and nip down the pub for a swift drink or three , im gone for a few hours.
Now was i gone or not ? Going by the cell phone "pings" was i gone ? Can you prove i was gone if you go by "pings" alone.

Yes or No please

[Diamond1]

Do the rights of noncustodial parents differ from those of custodial parents?

No. FERPA affords full rights to either parent unless the school has been provided with evidence
that there is a court order, state statute, or legally binding document that specifically revokes
these rights. This was endorsed by the 2001 Legislature through revisions to Section 61.13(2)(b),Florida Statutes, which clarifies the rights of access to records and information pertaining to a
minor child, including the right to in-person communication with medical, dental, and education
providers, apply to either parent in the absence of a court order specifically revoking these
rights.
http://www.fldoe.org/ese/pdf/ferpa.pdf

Ron could not stop the school from sharing information with Crystal. He would have to have had a court order or legally binding document. This is a Federal law so the school has to comply with it and wouldn't risk losing funding over a 25 year old nobody.


Do you honestly think that she would know that? No. His control and what he said would be enough. He did not allow her to call the children at home. He did not make sure she had a current phone number. He did not allow her to come to his house to pick up the children. They met at a local McDonalds for the transfer.

All of which has been modified since Haleigh disappeared.

[Pat]

[QUOTE=SKARDYKAT;13431804]

I agree. To me there is only one true victim far. Yesterday before all the $35,000 phone call fiasco, I thought this case was finally getting somewhere. Finally some movement. Now it seems although it has descended into some Maury Povich/Jerry Springer scenario. Really makes no sense now. Seems more "I know I am but what are you". Ridiculous. How did things go so low? jmo

I thought the circus had left town. I was wrong.

I thought the non-stop, gleeful bad mouthing of both parents would stop. I was wrong.

I thought Misty, her failed tests and her obvious deceitfulness would put a stop to all the side issues and the focus would be on HER and whether or not she'd finally admit to what she knows, would be the topic of conversation. I was wrong.

I have issues with BOTH parents. Ron for letting Jr. remain anywhere near Misty when he believes Misty is responsible for harm coming to HaLeigh. Crystal for her obvious disinterest in her two oldest children. No one will ever convince me she'd be involved with those children at all if it weren't for Marie.

Nancy Grace is right. HaLeigh never had a chance.

[CFMom]

Please do explain quite how your theory works on that please ?

Lets say i leave my phone at home and nip down the pub for a swift drink or three , im gone for a few hours.
Now was i gone or not ? Going by the cell phone "pings" was i gone ? Can you prove i was gone if you go by "pings" alone.

Yes or No please

In order for your phone to receive a signal it must ping a tower. They can determine in what area the phone is by the tower in which it pings. They can not tell who has the phone..thats silly.

ETA: they can go by phone calls and who made them tho.

[titanfan217]

I have to admit to being frustrated with Crystal, especially her hesitant responses tonight. I realize neither she, nor Marie are not the most articulate and savvy communicators.

As to Crystal not knowing much about Haleigh's last day, where exactly was Crystal going to get that information from? Ron and Misty sure haven't given a consistent timeline.

moo

She could have gotten it from the school, but how would it made a difference? It's not like she was going to pick HaLeigh up. I wonder if she was even on the list for pick up.

Another thing, it's been 6 months of H*LL. She might have known then, but forgotten.

[W_D_1]

Please do explain quite how your theory works on that please ?

Lets say i leave my phone at home and nip down the pub for a swift drink or three , im gone for a few hours.
Now was i gone or not ? Going by the cell phone "pings" was i gone ? Can you prove i was gone if you go by "pings" alone.

Yes or No please


Who said the police go by pings alone? They don't. They would look for witnesses and other evidence, like credit card charges, to place someone where they said they were or weren't.

Art Harris talked about coworkers seeing Ron at work. Do you think the cops didn't question any of those coworkers? I have no doubt they questioned them.

[Diamond1]

Since I don't see you state that as an opinion, can I see the link to prove your statement? TIA

You actually need a link after all this time watching this case to determine for yourself the stronger of the two? Does that mean that you disagree that RC is a stronger personality than CS?

[CFMom]

The Supreme court ruled that severing a parents rights to their child is equivalent to the death penalty. In effect taking Haleigh away from 2 innocent parents is severing their rights aside from breaking their hearts. At this time I am sure no one knows better than Crystal what opportunities she missed. But by far she does not deserve to be executed for it like some here portray.

Neither does Ron.

[titanfan217]

NG will be on in an hour my time but I am not going to judge this mother on 1 day. Like I said earlier, I stopped following this case way back. I did check in from time to time.

Seriously, did I miss something? It's possible since she didn't live with Haleigh that she was not able to talk to her every night or know her every move. Who knows what she was told. JMO

There was a new agreement this summer about some of the child issues. Included was a stipulation about calling the child. It was pretty detailed, which makes me think there was a problem.

[W_D_1]

Do you honestly think that she would know that? No. His control and what he said would be enough. He did not allow her to call the children at home. He did not make sure she had a current phone number. He did not allow her to come to his house to pick up the children. They met at a local McDonalds for the transfer.

All of which has been modified since Haleigh disappeared.



Yes I think she would know that. She had an attorney when she filed the motion objecting to the magistrate's ruling. She had a father who was in LE at some point. She had a mother who knew her way around family court and she had access to a computer.

[Diamond1]

Crystal missed so much excitement in her daughter's first days and months of school.

Her new friends, learning new and exciting things, teachers and parties for the class.
:crying: I pray she didn't realize what was missing from her life.

I'm so thankful her daddy and his side of the family were there for Haleigh. On a daily basis.

Do you have a link that shows that she was not there the first day of school?

[jimbob]

Who said the police go by pings alone? They don't. They would look for witnesses and other evidence, like credit card charges, to place someone where they said they were or weren't.

Art Harris talked about coworkers seeing Ron at work. Do you think the cops didn't question any of those coworkers? I have no doubt they questioned them.

Ive simply enquired on a point about cell phones WD1.A simple Yes or No would suffice.But we both know the answer dont we ?

So lets just chuck the cell phone pings off the menu id think.

[panman]

The Supreme court ruled that severing a parents rights to their child is equivalent to the death penalty. In effect taking Haleigh away from 2 innocent parents is severing their rights aside from breaking their hearts. At this time I am sure no one knows better than Crystal what opportunities she missed. But by far she does not deserve to be executed for it like some here portray. Her punishment is by far already being bestowed upon her and she will have to live with that forever.

Neither did Ron, but he has been and still is, IMO.

[SKARDYKAT]

[QUOTE=baywench;13431876]

I thought the circus had left town. I was wrong.

I thought the non-stop, gleeful bad mouthing of both parents would stop. I was wrong.

I thought Misty, her failed tests and her obvious deceitfulness would put a stop to all the side issues and the focus would be on HER and whether or not she'd finally admit to what she knows, would be the topic of conversation. I was wrong.

I have issues with BOTH parents. Ron for letting Jr. remain anywhere near Misty when he believes Misty is responsible for harm coming to HaLeigh. Crystal for her obvious disinterest in her two oldest children. No one will ever convince me she'd be involved with those children at all if it weren't for Marie.

Nancy Grace is right. HaLeigh never had a chance.

I don't know what happened, but that is not my quote.

[panman]

You actually need a link after all this time watching this case to determine for yourself the stronger of the two? Does that mean that you disagree that RC is a stronger personality than CS?

I do when there is no proof. I guess you don't have it.

[Elle]

I'm looking but we can start with this from AMW

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=63252

Yes. I believe Tim was simply mistaken and that the phonecall at 8:30 was recieved at work. IIRC, wasn't there a coworker who spoke of a phonecall Ron recieved? Maybe this was the call?

imoo

[W_D_1]

Ive simply enquired on a point about cell phones WD1.A simple Yes or No would suffice.But we both know the answer dont we ?

So lets just chuck the cell phone pings off the menu id think.


Except that it isn't a simple yes or no question or answer. Pings can show where a phone is but the police aren't going to go by pings alone which is what you implied. A defense attorney would have a field day with that. Police may use that information but they are going to have other evidence to back it up.

[Viva4Haleigh]

I am just so shocked about this ron going to work at 8:30 thing!

[W_D_1]

I don't know what happened, but that is not my quote.



It happens occasionally. All you have to do is remove the name of the person you aren't quoting from the top of the quote box when you reply. In this case this [QUOTE=SKARDYKAT;13431954][QUOTE=Pat;13431915] was up top. I removed Pat's name because I'm replying to you so it wil be fixed.

[Pat]

I don't know what happened, but that is not my quote.

Wow...sorry about that! Did you notice it happened in your post, too?

[Viva4Haleigh]

Yes. I believe Tim was simply mistaken and that the phonecall at 8:30 was recieved at work. IIRC, wasn't there a coworker who spoke of a phonecall Ron recieved? Maybe this was the call?

imoo

No, that phone call you are talking about was a rumor where someone said Misty called and Ron told her to hit Haleigh or whip her or something like that to make her quiet-or obey


jmo

[jimbob]

Except that it isn't a simple yes or no question or answer. Pings can show where a phone is but the police aren't going to go by pings alone which is what you implied. A defense attorney would have a field day with that. Police may use that information but they are going to have other evidence to back it up.

Yes , i did get your point earlier that Police will not go by cell phone pings alone , no of course they would gather other evidence,i understand that.I truly do..honest.
But what im asking is if i leave my cell phone somewhere and go elsewhere , checking that source alone it would place me wherever the phone was left..
I believe that to be the case , im sure you agree ?

[tia marie]

I wonder if Crystal had custody of the kids, would Ron know what time Haleigh got out of school? I think not. I don't know why she even asked her that. What did it have to do with anything?

No mention of AS being there that night again. jmo

Doubtful. Haleigh, imo was a prop, used by both Ron and Crystal.. Sorry to say that. Till this day they both seem to have unresolved issues between them and Haleigh seems to have been the colleteral damage to a very volitale relationship.

just my humble opinion.

[titanfan217]

She certainly left that open to question OM , but it went beyond that for me.When asked if she had spoken to Misty about this she didnt have an answer there either.Other than no that is,that is shocking.

I kept thinking she would say something like talk to her, I'd be scare I'd knock the cr*p out of her.

[W_D_1]

Yes. I believe Tim was simply mistaken and that the phonecall at 8:30 was recieved at work. IIRC, wasn't there a coworker who spoke of a phonecall Ron recieved? Maybe this was the call?

imoo


The phone call the coworker talked about happened a few days prior to Haleigh disappearing.

[SKARDYKAT]

I am just so shocked about this ron going to work at 8:30 thing!

I think in a case like that, you just have to consider the source.

[Diamond1]

I do when there is no proof. I guess you don't have it.

Review a couple of their videos and make an educated guess about it. It is not a proof required assessment.
mo

[W_D_1]

Yes , i did get your point earlier that Police will not go by cell phone pings alone , no of course they would gather other evidence,i understand that.I truly do..honest.
But what im asking is if i leave my cell phone somewhere and go elsewhere , checking that source alone it would place me here.
I believe that to be the case , im sure you agree ?


If they used that source alone yes but the police wouldn't use that source alone. They aren't using Ron's pings alone to place him at work that night.

If he made calls from his phone then they know he was using it at work. If he received calls at work they know he was using it. They would also interview coworkers, bosses, look at video if available (and I believe there was) as well.

[emdragon]

Yes. I believe Tim was simply mistaken and that the phonecall at 8:30 was recieved at work. IIRC, wasn't there a coworker who spoke of a phonecall Ron recieved? Maybe this was the call?

imoo

I'm determined to find it now lol

The only way to stop the bickering is with the facts (even if the facts are ignored) I remember it was 12 hour shift and I remember LE saying they had verified Ron was at work. I'll find it.

[Diamond1]

I am just so shocked about this ron going to work at 8:30 thing!

When did LE question him about it? Have you heard?

[baywench]

[QUOTE=baywench;13431876]

I thought the circus had left town. I was wrong.

I thought the non-stop, gleeful bad mouthing of both parents would stop. I was wrong.

I thought Misty, her failed tests and her obvious deceitfulness would put a stop to all the side issues and the focus would be on HER and whether or not she'd finally admit to what she knows, would be the topic of conversation. I was wrong.

I have issues with BOTH parents. Ron for letting Jr. remain anywhere near Misty when he believes Misty is responsible for harm coming to HaLeigh. Crystal for her obvious disinterest in her two oldest children. No one will ever convince me she'd be involved with those children at all if it weren't for Marie.

Nancy Grace is right. HaLeigh never had a chance.


Yes I completely agree. This is not who is the best parent but rather who is not the worst. Neither one of them are great parents, maybe neither one had nothing to do with her disappearance, still doesn't make them great parents. Ron's decision to leave Misty in charge may very well turn out to be a fatal one. Yep, Haleigh never had a chance. imo

[grammie/va]

I am just so shocked about this ron going to work at 8:30 thing!

Is there a chance that TM just misquoted and said going to work instead of while at work?
I have sent the question to TJH on Thesky twitter to see if he can help clear this up, it just sad to see all the bickering over a simple word in different instances in this case, and then by the next day we find out that it wasn't actually said that way to begin with. Just sad
Where is HaLeigh?

[Justice4all]

I am just so shocked about this ron going to work at 8:30 thing!

I suspect it was a huge mistake.........

[Viva4Haleigh]

Is there a chance that TM just misquoted and said going to work instead of while at work?
I have sent the question to TJH on Thesky twitter to see if he can help clear this up, it just sad to see all the bickering over a simple word in different instances in this case, and then by the next day we find out that it wasn't actually said that way to begin with. Just sad
Where is HaLeigh?

Well, if TM misquoted, we should get an statement issued soon by Cummings lawyer clearing it up-

jmo

[W_D_1]

I'm determined to find it now lol

The only way to stop the bickering is with the facts (even if the facts are ignored) I remember it was 12 hour shift and I remember LE saying they had verified Ron was at work. I'll find it.


Police verified his alibi on Jane Velez Mitchell. I can't help you with the link but do a search on the words "spotted at work, Ronald Cummings, and JVM" and you should be able to find that.

[Viva4Haleigh]

I suspect it was a huge mistake.........

OMG, what if its not!!!:scared:

[Pat]

I'm determined to find it now lol

The only way to stop the bickering is with the facts (even if the facts are ignored) I remember it was 12 hour shift and I remember LE saying they had verified Ron was at work. I'll find it.

I wouldn't bother. Some folks are like a dog with a bone...they just won't let go. I've been here since the early days and you can post links and quotes till the cows come home and they still won't stop. I just scroll on by or put the really obnoxious ones on ignore.

MO

[Justice4all]

When did LE question him about it? Have you heard?

about the time line and phone records? Today


but i think TM make a mistake about Ron on his way to work....

[titanfan217]

Could Ron have come home on a lunch/dinner break then went back to work at 8:30?

That seems quite a distance to do that unless to check on Misty and the children, which seems possible.

However, if that is true, then that's still new info, that changes when Ron last saw his daughter and opens whether something could have happened while he was there.

[Diamond1]

about the time line and phone records? Today


but i think TM make a mistake about Ron on his way to work....

If it was a mistake someone will clear that up soon.

[Justice4all]

OMG, what if its not!!!:scared:

then i have to wonder why LE said they verified his alibi and said he was at work. and i have to wonder why Art Harris lied about Ron being at work at 430 pm and not leaving till 3am and ate lunch at work. and i have to wonder why LE said he's NOT a suspect.



MOO

[jimbob]

If they used that source alone yes but the police wouldn't use that source alone. They aren't using Ron's pings alone to place him at work that night.

If he made calls from his phone then they know he was using it at work. If he received calls at work they know he was using it. They would also interview coworkers, bosses, look at video if available (and I believe there was) as well.

We agree and we have a point WD1 , one worth noting.We cant put too much faith if any in those pings.The collaborating evidence should really be reviewed and i think that will happen.
On a long shift like that , expecially nightshift , some guys like to catch a snooze , some get high ..whatever , its a long night ya know.
So if i see somebody at meal time , is it possible i might not see that person for another 3-4 hours or even the end of shift?Perfectly normal

[baywench]

No matter what happens in this case we seem to always end up with people fighting about Ron's work hours and Crystal's child support. Does anyone really think that either one of those things are the reason that Haleigh is missing? Links have been posted and these two issues have been argued until there really isn't anything left imo. And before you saw it, no I am not the moderator, just a poster that has to read page after page of it. jmo

[titanfan217]

I do think it's a big deal. Why do you dismiss it and cut her a break? I am not saying she had anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance, but how can you condone a mother's obvious disinterest in her 5 yr old child. Doesn't school start in Sept? That was 5 months she was in school or am I wrong? She should not have custody of any children. It's all about her. Selfish people don't make loving mothers.

Last year, my grandsons' mom did not know what time school got out and she has custody. She just knew what the time bus usually dropped them off.

[Viva4Haleigh]

Not me if it's true. I've said from the start nothing about this case would surprise me.

Well, I just look at it like I will be shocked if I was right from the beginning-:biggrin: I always knew he didn't just get her off the bus and got off to work, there was more, and it seems there is-

jmo

[SKARDYKAT]

I wouldn't bother. Some folks are like a dog with a bone...they just won't let go. I've been here since the early days and you can post links and quotes till the cows come home and they still won't stop. I just scroll on by or put the really obnoxious ones on ignore.

MO

You and me both. :beer:

That may be an oxymoron.

[titanfan217]

I agree. Crystal is very shy, insecure and passive. She has got to get some counseling or something for herself to strengthen her will and help her to gain some confidence to stand up for herself.

Too bad her attorney wasn't on the show with her.

[grammie/va]

Well, if TM misquoted, we should get an statement issued soon by Cummings lawyer clearing it up-

jmo

I agree, it does need to be cleared up, maybe TJH will see the tweet and will do this for all of us. I usually don't put alot of stock in any bloggers, or AH or any of them, but I hope this time this work time can be cleared up.
Where is HaLeigh?

[W_D_1]

We agree and we have a point WD1 , one worth noting.We cant put too much faith if any in those pings.The collaborating evidence should really be reviewed and i think that will happen.
On a long shift like that , expecially nightshift , some guys like to catch a snooze , some get high ..whatever , its a long night ya know.
So if i see somebody at meal time , is it possible i might not see that person for another 3-4 hours or even the end of shift?Perfectly normal



Not necessarily. It would depend on the company and work. Ron was a crane operator. Someone had to hook the end of the cables up to whatever was being moved so it's more probable that he worked with other people.

[Justice4all]

I agree. Crystal is very shy, insecure and passive. She has got to get some counseling or something for herself to strengthen her will and help her to gain some confidence to stand up for herself.

LOL she sure wasn't very shy, insecure and passive when she was on Geraldo.


moo

[Lqqkout]

Right. And now maybe she will never ever get the chance to see Haleigh do anything again because the child Ron left the kids with cant pass anything that tests the truth and all that fun stuff- So Crystal wont more than likely ever have the chance to make up her faults and now more than likely will be the mother of a dead child- does that make anyone happy? I mean seriously-

Happy? No, but that was her choice.

[Diamond1]

LOL she sure wasn't very shy, insecure and passive when she was on Geraldo.


moo


Perhaps she felt more comfortable with him. NG is intimidating.

[Diamond1]

Thanks for the heads up.

I wasn't trying to be "sassy".
I was trying to point out the absurdity of some of the arguments trying to excuse Crystal of her obligations to her daughter.

MOO

Which did not cause Haleigh to disappear. Haleigh disappeared on Ronald's watch. Important fact.
mo

[jimbob]

Not necessarily. It would depend on the company and work. Ron was a crane operator. Someone had to hook the end of the cables up to whatever was being moved so it's more probable that he worked with other people.

Exactly :) Im happy and pleased im speaking to someone familiar with cranes.Its also a notable fact that in most enviroments a crane operaters position was pretty much considered a cushier job than some of the others.
Guys on the ground gotta work whether the crane is required or not , which brings me to my next question.
Do we know that the crane was actually being used that night and if so when ? A crane moves things..sure,then it can lay idle for hours until something else gets moved.Dependent on how big a job and how fast the ground guys are working.

[Elle]

No, that phone call you are talking about was a rumor where someone said Misty called and Ron told her to hit Haleigh or whip her or something like that to make her quiet-or obey


jmo

Thank you...that is the phoncall I was thinking of.

[Diamond1]

Too bad her attorney wasn't on the show with her.

I don't think Crystal, her attorney or anyone else from her family should be on NG show.

[emdragon]

Well, if TM misquoted, we should get an statement issued soon by Cummings lawyer clearing it up-

jmo

Did you miss the item from AMW I posted I'd bet the farm that any information they got when they did the story was verified with LE before reporting it.

It simply amazes me that you ping on rumors and misquotes but ignore the cold hard facts when they are presented to you.

[W_D_1]

Exactly :) Im happy and pleased im speaking to someone familiar with cranes.Its also a notable fact that in most enviroments a crane operaters position was pretty much considered a cushier job than some of the others.
Guys on the ground gotta work whether the crane is required or not , which brings me to my next question.
Do we know that the crane was actually being used that night and if so when ? A crane moves things..sure,then it can lay idle for hours until something else gets moved.Dependent on how big a job and how fast the ground guys are working.


It's not easy for a crane operator to sneak away from work if a supervisor is around. Someone would notice PDQ that it wasn't moving and it was supposed to be. And if the piece of bridge (or whatever) they were moving was hooked up and ready to move I'm sure someone would notice if Ron wasn't sitting in the operator's seat.

[Justice4all]

And so you think its right? Hey look, I know no way can Nancy identify with Crystal- Not all of us are lucky to be 45, a new mom with twins with millions in the bank and married to a millionaire- Nancy will never be able to identify with the abuse that Crystal went through and her kids were used as a weapon because she dared leave Ron-

Nancy is a very lucky person

jmo

My dislike for crystal started when i read the custody court records. I don't believe Crystal was ever abused. In fact i thin her and Misty have a lot in common. Neither would know the truth if it smacked them in the face.


by the way she lied to Nancy tonight. She said she had never asked Misty about what happen that night but in reality she has talked to Misty about that night. or at least that's what she told Nancy last time.


MOO

[Elle]

I'm determined to find it now lol

The only way to stop the bickering is with the facts (even if the facts are ignored) I remember it was 12 hour shift and I remember LE saying they had verified Ron was at work. I'll find it.

Oh Em, I am sorry, I was mistaken in regards to the call. Sorry for any confusion.

[Justice4all]

I don't think Crystal, her attorney or anyone else from her family should be on NG show.

So you want them to hide from the media? LOL


I hope Nancy has Ron on tomorrow night...........and i hope she asks him what time he went to work.

[tia marie]

Ohhhhhh Crystal was PROTECTING her daughter when she didn't give a whit what was going on in her life. :w00t:
I Got it now.

Did I say that? I'm really frustrated at Crystal's passive persona. I want to shake her.

[titanfan217]

I don't think Crystal, her attorney or anyone else from her family should be on NG show.

That too -- but if Crystal was on, her attorney could have defused some of it like her talking to Misty.

[Lynn Gweeny]

Ron's Lawyer: Girl Talks To Haleigh, Kept by Man "Larry"

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5138635.php

[titanfan217]

I'm determined to find it now lol

The only way to stop the bickering is with the facts (even if the facts are ignored) I remember it was 12 hour shift and I remember LE saying they had verified Ron was at work. I'll find it.

If it was a 12 hour shift, he would have to be at work before HaLeigh got off the bus.

I've heard 8 and 10...

[Diamond1]

Did you miss the item from AMW I posted I'd bet the farm that any information they got when they did the story was verified with LE before reporting it.

It simply amazes me that you ping on rumors and misquotes but ignore the cold hard facts when they are presented to you.

John has not updated that page since the first week of Haleigh's disappearance. He was given the same information LE gave the public. Whatever information LE is not releasing will not be found on AMW either.
mo

[jimbob]

It's not easy for a crane operator to sneak away from work if a supervisor is around. Someone would notice PDQ that it wasn't moving and it was supposed to be. And if the piece of bridge (or whatever) they were moving was hooked up and ready to move I'm sure someone would notice if Ron wasn't sitting in the operator's seat.

Thats assuming in a perfect world there was that scenario and a busy crane.The reality is quite different.Lets use your scenario , once that bit of bridge is down and in ground workers hands..that could be it for a while is what im thinking.
Having been a crane operater in a naval shipyard i kinda know how easy it is to sneak away and be somewhere i shouldnt be and back..pretty much on a nightly basis really.In a busy enviroment the crane can and does lay idle for periods of time , thats my point.
We neednt reflect more on my personal experience as ive no idea how busy Rons work was that night , do you ? We should try to find out.

[Diamond1]

Did you notice that Nancy lost it when she asked Crystal "Do you mean you don't know what" she did that day? It went downhill from there.

The only people that do know are Ron and Misty and they have lied about it.
MO

[W_D_1]

Thats assuming in a perfect world there was that scenario and a busy crane.The reality is quite different.Lets use your scenario , once that bit of bridge is down and in ground workers hands..that could be it for a while is what im thinking.
Having been a crane operater in a naval shipyard i kinda know how easy it is to sneak away and be somewhere i shouldnt be and back..pretty much on a nightly basis really.In a busy enviroment the crane can and does lay idle for periods of time , thats my point.
We neednt reflect more on my personal experience as ive no idea how busy Rons work was that night , do you ? We should try to find out.


They put together pieces of bridge. I don't think the work is slow enough for him to leave, drive 15 miles home, do whatever then drive 15 miles back and no one notice him gone.

[Justice4all]

Did you notice that Nancy lost it when she asked Crystal "Do you mean you don't know what" she did that day? It went downhill from there.

Oh Crystal was just pitiful tonight. IMO
NG is a new mother and she has no remorse for weekend mothers that don't keep up with their childrens life MOO


and i have to wonder why do LE need Ron's phone records AGAIN...don't they already have them ? Did they lose them?

[Justice4all]

The only people that do know are Ron and Misty and they have lied about it.
MO

When has Ron lied?

[W_D_1]

Oh Crystal was just pitiful tonight. IMO
NG is a new mother and she has no remorse for weekend mothers that don't keep up with their childrens life MOO


and i have to wonder why do LE need Ron's phone records AGAIN...don't they already have them ? Did they lose them?


I didn't see that they need them again, only that they wanted to review them with Ron again.

[Elle]

Ron's Lawyer: Girl Talks To Haleigh, Kept by Man "Larry"

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5138635.php

I am confused. The lawyer says Ron did not say that, then goes on to say pretty much that he did?? I am also confused as to why where the amount came from, why would he say if I had 35 thousand, and then go on to say if he had a million then he wouldn't know what to do w/ it? Maybe it's the cold medicine that is clouding my mind...I pray this little 4 year old is correct and not fantasizing (I don't mean that in a negative way, simply the way many small children do) and that Haleigh is alive. Larry??? Ugh, I probably should just go to bed.

imo

[SKARDYKAT]

The only people that do know are Ron and Misty and they have lied about it.
MO

I think Nancy was just disappointed that Crystal had so few details. One would think that she would become an expert on where her daughter was and any tiny detail to keep abreast of the disappearance. Like I said before, she has become a victim and has excuses as to why she knows nothing. Not to say I blame her. I know what learned helplessness means. I still pity her.

[Diamond1]

When has Ron lied?

He lies everytime he says, I don't know to avoid answering questions.
MO

[tia marie]

So who is Larry? Anyone know?

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5138635.php

[Diamond1]

I think Nancy was just disappointed that Crystal had so few details. One would think that she would become an expert on where her daughter was and any tiny detail to keep abreast of the disappearance. Like I said before, she has become a victim and has excuses as to why she knows nothing. Not to say I blame her. I know what learned helplessness means. I still pity her.

I agree with you. She is a prime example of learned helplessness. I hope a day comes when she will be strong and grow past that. She deserves compassion and understanding for what she has been through most of which no one that posts here can begin to imagine.
mo

[jimbob]

They put together pieces of bridge. I don't think the work is slow enough for him to leave, drive 15 miles home, do whatever then drive 15 miles back and no one notice him gone.

As close by as that ? 15 miles each way , pretty sweet little job which is why im wondering why he quit ..abandoned his job the boss says.
Not a real good idea really as by some accounts the boss offered to leave his position open at this time but lost faith due to Ron simply not picking up a phone..gotta wonder..why didnt he ever want to go back there and instead apparantly block it ?

[Justice4all]

He lies everytime he says, I don't know to avoid answering questions.
MO

I feel the same about crystal............moo