9/02/2009

[Rucky*Ron]

Since we're well over 1,000 posts...

[Justice4all]

TY TY



So does everyone think Misty should go to Canada?

[Santa'sMom]

Ok. I just read the following article:
http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=112609 and listened to the sky interview with Tim Miller. Now, my question is: given what we know about Ronald and Misty vs. what we know about Tim Miller, who should we believe? Hmmm... it's lookin' to me like Tim's side of the scale is a little bit heavier than Ronald's and Misty's. I don't care for the way Tim is going about giving out information as I feel it reflects poorly on him, although I do believe that there is more than a little encouragement coming from LE in this than they would ever like us to hear about. SAR is serious business and it saddens me to see it brought down to a bunch of games. I understand that the games may be what ultimately brings Haleigh home, but it still bothers me. Maybe I'm being too black and white about it but it just comes across as demeaning toward Tim from where I'm sitting at the moment. Maybe the big guy in front of me is blocking something important from my view though and I'm not getting an important part of the picture?

[emdragon]

I'll stick with the official police statement until retracted and the interpretation of reporter.
The Sheriff's office had the opportunity to correct the first press release yesterday and they did not.

[2Hope4]

Ok. I just read the following article:
http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=112609 and listened to the sky interview with Tim Miller. Now, my question is: given what we know about Ronald and Misty vs. what we know about Tim Miller, who should we believe? Hmmm... it's lookin' to me like Tim's side of the scale is a little bit heavier than Ronald's and Misty's. I don't care for the way Tim is going about giving out information as I feel it reflects poorly on him, although I do believe that there is more than a little encouragement coming from LE in this than they would ever like us to hear about. SAR is serious business and it saddens me to see it brought down to a bunch of games. I understand that the games may be what ultimately brings Haleigh home, but it still bothers me. Maybe I'm being too black and white about it but it just comes across as demeaning toward Tim from where I'm sitting at the moment. Maybe the big guy in front of me is blocking something important from my view though and I'm not getting an important part of the picture?

Yes, and I agree! Tim is stooping into a position that he shouldn't. It has happened recently in another case as well with Tim. I don't know if the work is getting to him this much, or what's going on. I've noticed major changes in him in the past year, and I don't like the changes at all! Maybe he needs a PR person to help him out? Or does he have one? At any rate, I have respect for what Tim and his crew does. Major respect. Not something I could emotionally, nor physically handle, day after day, case after case. It has to eventually get even the strongest person down. It does not help his cause, nor the organization when Tim reacts like this though. IMO, the less said in circumstances like this, the best. I believe Tim is crossing a line that he needs to back away from. What he does, he does well in terms of the organization and the searching. His PR is not looking well though.

Who cares if someone is telling lies about you when you're in the type position that his organization is? The public knows the truth. We don't need Tim getting riled up and loosing focus.

As for the new information, I've never thought Ronald was involved in whatever has happened to Hayleigh. Of course with all of Misty's inconsistences, I do believe she has knowledge that hasn't been shared with LE or with Ronald. While I didn't and still don't agree with the marriage, in a way I can understand wanting to keep her close as to hope she slips up and tells something that will help find Hayleigh. Perhaps she'll have a nightmare about that night, and talk in her sleep about it? Or who really knows what is going on behind those closed doors. It does seem that Ronald is going along with Misty, and making her believe he believes what she's said. However, I think Ronald knows she's lying, but doesn't know what else to do. As he said on NG the other night, if LE can't get to the bottom, what's he suppose to legally do? Of course that wasn't the exact words out of his mouth. And it is NOT illegal for him to lie to us about anything. Perhaps he has to say he doesn't know, or she isn't telling him anything, etc., in order to keep feeding her enough rope to hang herself. But something tells me Ronald has told LE what she's says!! And Tim saying all that stuff proves to me that Ronald is wanting Misty to have that sense of security, while at the same time, it's gotta be eating him alive that he can't beat the truth out of her! I know I wouldn't have the patience to try that tactic. I'd probably end up in jail, and of course that wouldn't help anything, unless it did get the truth out! Ughh.. between a rock and a hard place. He reminds me so much of Josh Duckett. Fighting for his child, in a non winning battle, I'm afraid. Would love to be proved wrong, and have Hayleigh come back home alive!!!

[emdragon]

2Hope4 I agree with you completely.

I believe that Tim has some unresolved feelings about LE and their ability to solve these cases and if he isn't getting some kind of therapy doing the the work he does he needs to start.
It is just got to be soul crushing to go to case after case with little chance of a good outcome.

I haven't jumped on the bandwagon with this new tape because it sounds to contrived. I'll wait for the facts. We don't even know if it has or has not been turned over to LE we heard reports of both tonight.

[forensicfan]

I'm just confused. Did she or did she not ASK to take the poly? I am under the impression that she asked to take the poly to clear her name and when that failed, she asked to take a voice test. That is was Tim Miller said on NG.

So, if the above is true, the thing that doesn't make sense to me is that allegedly, Misty took 3 polygraph tests. One by LE, one by the FBI and this one. She failed one of the two given by detectives. Why would she ask to take a 3rd poly "to clear her name" knowing that she might fail it? And then ask to take a voice test if she knew she might fail that as well? That makes no sense to me whatsoever!

[Texas48]

Ok. I just read the following article:
http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=112609 and listened to the sky interview with Tim Miller. Now, my question is: given what we know about Ronald and Misty vs. what we know about Tim Miller, who should we believe? Hmmm... it's lookin' to me like Tim's side of the scale is a little bit heavier than Ronald's and Misty's. I don't care for the way Tim is going about giving out information as I feel it reflects poorly on him, although I do believe that there is more than a little encouragement coming from LE in this than they would ever like us to hear about. SAR is serious business and it saddens me to see it brought down to a bunch of games. I understand that the games may be what ultimately brings Haleigh home, but it still bothers me. Maybe I'm being too black and white about it but it just comes across as demeaning toward Tim from where I'm sitting at the moment. Maybe the big guy in front of me is blocking something important from my view though and I'm not getting an important part of the picture?
I agree SM....I respect TM and all he has done and will do...but I don't like how this entire mess was handled...Its one thing to try and help out so he gave Misty the test.....I have a problem with him releasing the results to the media....IMO..he should have given everything he had over to LE and let them decide from there....I wonder how *happy* LE is about all this being released to the public..?
Good morning to all and ...RR...TY for the thread....
:rose: for HaLeigh Marie Cummings

[Texas48]

2Hope4 I agree with you completely.

I believe that Tim has some unresolved feelings about LE and their ability to solve these cases and if he isn't getting some kind of therapy doing the the work he does he needs to start.
It is just got to be soul crushing to go to case after case with little chance of a good outcome.

I haven't jumped on the bandwagon with this new tape because it sounds to contrived. I'll wait for the facts. We don't even know if it has or has not been turned over to LE we heard reports of both tonight.
Ahh...see you decided to hang around and glad you did...always read such good post from you....
I agree em....we still have NO FACTS and...I also will wait...I do agree with M Klass with him saying he feels TM crossed the line with this case....and by no means do I have less respect for what Tim has done and will do in searching for the missing....
JMO

[willow]

Good morning everyone!

I hope and pray that today is the day Haleigh is brought home.

I am horrible with links, so hopefully someone will come along soon with todays links.

moo

[aproudmom]

TY TY



So does everyone think Misty should go to Canada?

I think she needs to go to the PD and get some truth serum:wink:
J/K but why Canada? heck I would say take me to a nice warm beach full of hunky men..I would like to know why they said she is a very scared girl what is she afraid of is she lying for someone or afraid of jail I just do not get that statement that has been made by one of the examiners and TJ Hart..:confused:

[panache]

Nancy Grace Transcript Sept 1

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/01/ng.01.html

[Brattnt]

Nancy Grace Transcript Sept 1

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/01/ng.01.html

Thanks panache!...I believe Crystal is supposed to be on Nancy tonight...I am anxious to hear what she thinks of all thats happened the last week...

JMO

[aproudmom]

I agree SM....I respect TM and all he has done and will do...but I don't like how this entire mess was handled...Its one thing to try and help out so he gave Misty the test.....I have a problem with him releasing the results to the media....IMO..he should have given everything he had over to LE and let them decide from there....I wonder how *happy* LE is about all this being released to the public..?
Good morning to all and ...RR...TY for the thread....
:rose: for HaLeigh Marie Cummings

I read he did hand them over to LE and they had a 5 hour meeting IIRC it is on TES website also does anyone remember Tim M saying Misty called people and told them and before he knew it there was people standing in the front yard I did not know what he meant until last night when MN said she took 2 of those right at the home she lives in so how did TM dupe her maybe it was coming out anyway maybe TM was not the one to call up the media and talk first some women was taping all of it and to me he is a pretty open and shut guy he just tells it and moves on but that is JMO...I wondered why it was released also but not sure why it was if perhaps to throw some pressure on someone..and TM will not get on TV every night to defend himself I am sure he is pretty much over it and that is why MN was on NG last night and RC mother and TM both have the same lawyer and she knew about the 2 it was done in one of their homes the LDT IIRC is the one that was done in Orlando....so they all knew she even said I hope she did not do anything and this clears it up so wonder how she feels now after it is done...

[panache]

Mother of Haleigh Issues Press Release in Support of Tim Miller

http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/09-02-2009/0005086839&EDATE=

[aproudmom]

Nancy Grace Transcript Sept 1

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/01/ng.01.html

NG seems to like RC I have noticed

[panache]

Thanks panache!...I believe Crystal is supposed to be on Nancy tonight...I am anxious to hear what she thinks of all thats happened the last week...

JMO

Mroning Brattnt.

Yes, this is what NG's web page says.

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

[aproudmom]

http://stephww.wordpress.com/2009/08/26/police-misty-cummings-holds-the-key-to-haleigh-cummings-dissapearance/


Two (2) weeks ago, the family of Haleigh Cummings reached out to Tim Miller from Texas Equusearch (TES). Independent from law enforcement, Miller arranged for three (3) separate experts to arrive into Florida to conduct the test, the costs paid for by Texas Equusearch. Because of my involement with this story as a journalist, Miller asked me to film the interviews. The experts included John Gastar, a former NYPD Detective with 35 years experience in hypnosis, TJ Ward, a voice analysis expert, most notable for his work on the Natalee Holloway case, and D. Craig Harper an independent polygraph expert. This seemed outside the realm of the kind of work TES traditionally does. When I asked Miller this, he responded “we will go to any lengths at any costs to find this missing child”


Detectives from the Putnam County Sheriff’s Department were made aware of the findings, and although they are not endorsing the release of the information to the public, they were planning on subpoenaing the tapes and any related information. Miller willingly turned the finding over to investigators. Just yesterday, detectives questioned Miller and myself for over five (5) hours concerning our observations and viewed the tapes in our presence as we answered questions about our conversations with Misty Cummings.This is the fourth time she has failed a polygraph

http://texasequusearch.org/

[panache]

Miller Says Haleigh's Father Doubts Misty's Story.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=144277&provider=top

[panache]

http://stephww.wordpress.com/2009/08/26/police-misty-cummings-holds-the-key-to-haleigh-cummings-dissapearance/


Two (2) weeks ago, the family of Haleigh Cummings reached out to Tim Miller from Texas Equusearch (TES). Independent from law enforcement, Miller arranged for three (3) separate experts to arrive into Florida to conduct the test, the costs paid for by Texas Equusearch. Because of my involement with this story as a journalist, Miller asked me to film the interviews. The experts included John Gastar, a former NYPD Detective with 35 years experience in hypnosis, TJ Ward, a voice analysis expert, most notable for his work on the Natalee Holloway case, and D. Craig Harper an independent polygraph expert. This seemed outside the realm of the kind of work TES traditionally does. When I asked Miller this, he responded “we will go to any lengths at any costs to find this missing child”


Detectives from the Putnam County Sheriff’s Department were made aware of the findings, and although they are not endorsing the release of the information to the public, they were planning on subpoenaing the tapes and any related information. Miller willingly turned the finding over to investigators. Just yesterday, detectives questioned Miller and myself for over five (5) hours concerning our observations and viewed the tapes in our presence as we answered questions about our conversations with Misty Cummings.This is the fourth time she has failed a polygraph

http://texasequusearch.org/

Thank You Proud Mom

That should end speculation and it proves Miller has shared his tapes with LE. I never doubted that Tim wouldn't.

[Scampi]

Tim Miller released the information regarding what happened with misty, to refute the lies that she and cummings were spouting.

I am not surprised to see who is criticizing him and taking up for these people who lie. It's appalling.

Can someone catch me up on what the $35,000 is all about?

[aproudmom]

Misty Cummings – Why Not Sodium Pentothal?

Tim Miller recently setup three different tests for Misty Cummings, the costs which were paid for by Texas Equusearch. The polygraph was conducted in Orlando, Florida whereas the Voice Analysis and Hypnosis tests took place in Satsuma.

Misty Cummings under hypnosis was conducted by John Gastar, a former NYPD Detective with 35 years experience in hypnosis. Gastar is claiming that Misty resisted his attempts to hypnotize her. Then just as obviously this expert should be well aware of the fact that people with low IQ’s, or those who have concentration disorders, seem to have a harder time being hypnotized. That pretty well describes Misty, a known drug user with a 7th grade education


http://johnhgohdecommentator.wordpress.com/2009/08/30/misty-cummings-sodium-pentothal/

[Scampi]

Thank You Proud Mom

That should end speculation and it proves Miller has shared his tapes with LE. I never doubted that Tim wouldn't.

misty failed FOUR polygraphs, why is cummings still with her and exposing his son to her???????

[panache]

Tim Miller released the information regarding what happened with misty, to refute the lies that she and cummings were spouting.

I am not surprised to see who is criticizing him and taking up for these people who lie. It's appalling.

Can someone catch me up on what the $35,000 is all about?

Scamp:

Partial transcription of the raw audio:

Tim Miller: Uhm...you know...last night...thattt..when we talked about that Ronald said if he had $35,000 we could get her home. Well...you know what...I've got five people that could go ahead and get $35,000 and we could put it in a special account tomorrow. And when little Haleigh comes home...he can go ahead and give that $35,000 to somebody and we are all full of sh*t.

TJH: Now wait a second...wha...$35,000...how would that...ah...get him off the hook about getting his kid home? Maybe I missed something there!

Tim Miller: No. Ronald Cummings said...I've got a voice message on my phone that Ronald Cummings called his father in law and his father in law called me and said, "Tim, I thought you came down here to be a friend, but apparently you're not because Ronald called me and said if he had $35,000 he could have his daughter home."
Well...you know what...uh...like I said I've got five friends. I don't have $35,000, but I would donate something to that cause...uh...but a...we could have $35,000 in a special account tomorrow. And uh...if its a week or two weeks before Haleigh comes home...we'll give the $35,000 away. We don't need all this other drama. I mean if she's alive...let's get her home!

TJH: Wow! OK!

Tim Miller: And I am willing...and I am willing...to play the voice message tomorrow.

[HouseOfClark]

Misty Cummings – Why Not Sodium Pentothal?

Tim Miller recently setup three different tests for Misty Cummings, the costs which were paid for by Texas Equusearch. The polygraph was conducted in Orlando, Florida whereas the Voice Analysis and Hypnosis tests took place in Satsuma.

Misty Cummings under hypnosis was conducted by John Gastar, a former NYPD Detective with 35 years experience in hypnosis. Gastar is claiming that Misty resisted his attempts to hypnotize her. Then just as obviously this expert should be well aware of the fact that people with low IQ’s, or those who have concentration disorders, seem to have a harder time being hypnotized. That pretty well describes Misty, a known drug user with a 7th grade education


http://johnhgohdecommentator.wordpress.com/2009/08/30/misty-cummings-sodium-pentothal/

Remind me again, if Misty is a known drug user why was she responsible for 24/7 childcare for two defenseless children?

[Justice4all]

Tim Miller released the information regarding what happened with misty, to refute the lies that she and cummings were spouting.

I am not surprised to see who is criticizing him and taking up for these people who lie. It's appalling.

Can someone catch me up on what the $35,000 is all about?

Can you please explain to me what Mr Cummings spouted about Tim? I've heard Mrs Cummings spout a lot but so far i haven't heard Mr Cummings spout anything bad about Tim and Tim didn't say Mr Cummings said anything bad about him last night in his interview.


TY

[Scampi]

Nancy Grace Transcript Sept 1

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/01/ng.01.html
Thanks Pan!! I still believe Miss Nancy is playing good cop/bad cop with cummings. In the following exchange she is the good cop to
Ray Giudice's bad(but very smart) cop:

GRACE: Wait a minute! Wait a minute! Everybody, we`re talking your calls live. With a child missing, she claimed she`s duped, tricked into flunking a polygraph, and now the big concern is whether their phones are tapped.

Let`s unleash the lawyers. Jennifer Smetters out of Chicago, veteran defense attorney Raymond Giudice out of Atlanta, and Kathleen Mullin, renowned defense attorney out of New York.

Ray Giudice, why do they care if their phone is tapped? Listen, if the feds want to listen to me talk to my mom and my executive producer and talk about the twins` vaccinations and what they ate and whether they poopied that day, fine. You know what? I`d be mad if you didn`t! So what`s their beef if somebody`s listening to their cell phone?

RAYMOND GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, the story gets curiouser and curiouser as we go along. And I`m starting to look at the actions...

GRACE: That`s actually not...

GIUDICE: ... of the father...

GRACE: ... a word, but that`s not an issue...

GIUDICE: Thank you. That`s my job, is to make up words. But I`m starting to look at the father`s actions as being very inconsistent. You just asked him point-blank, Your wife failed a polygraph. Do you believe that change -- you know, your story has changed and she`s not telling the truth? And he look at you like a deer in headlights. That is just crazy, and it`s getting worse.

This, from a very smart defense attorney. I loved it.

[Scampi]

Remind me again, if Misty is a known drug user why was she responsible for 24/7 childcare for two defenseless children?

.....and why she is still around Jr?

[HouseOfClark]

Mroning Brattnt.

Yes, this is what NG's web page says.

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

Hopefully NG will treat Crystal like the mother of a missing child that she is rather than go off about years' old cr@p that doesn't mean a hill of beans in the disappearance of Haleigh.

IMO, she owes Crystal an apology or at least defend her as much as she has Ron Cummings.

JMO

[Justice4all]

.....and why she is still around Jr?

I have a feeling even if Ron kicked Misty to the curb you still wouldn't want Jr with Ron.


jmo

[ann10]

misty failed FOUR polygraphs, why is cummings still with her and exposing his son to her???????


Hmmm.... I wonder. Wouldn't want to speculate, however, as I might tarnish his sterling reputation. For shame!

He is a charmer, non?

[HouseOfClark]

.....and why she is still around Jr?

That's the $64,000 question!

(Or maybe today it's the $35,000 question. :wink: )

[Scampi]

Thanks for that transcript Pan, was this a recent call and does Tim think cummings was attempting to extort that money? This is all very disturbing. IMO :angry:

[Scampi]

That's the $64,000 question!

(Or maybe today it's the $35,000 question. :wink: )

I find this money talk from cummings very disturbing. What is your take on it Clark?

[Scampi]

Hmmm.... I wonder. Wouldn't want to speculate, however, as I might tarnish his sterling reputation. For shame!

He is a charmer, non?

Hiya former Marylander, good to see you.

A real prince, as evidenced by how he addresses the females in his life.

:thumbdown:

[aproudmom]

misty failed FOUR polygraphs, why is cummings still with her and exposing his son to her???????

I don't know Scampi I wish we knew I just wish we knew what happened and this baby would be brought home I think we all wake and hope to hear this is the day I just do not get how you can fail 4 polys but I am not a expert so I have no clue I am not on here to lay blame on anyone until they say what happened but it sure in the holy heck scares me I knew she took 2 with FLPD and one with FBI and now this one but if only we knew just what is not adding up if she just does not remember if she has blocked something out if she is scared I don't know I try to give her the benefit of the doubt but it is sure hard....and they talked to Tim for 5 hours he works well with LE if they ask him not to release something I do not think he would go behind their back I just do not see it but I could be wrong I truly think Misty should have kept hush hush and not told anyone she was going to do this and then TM would have handed the stuff over to LE heck if he wanted to he could have given out all the information they ask him NOT to release some and as far as I know he has not...

Does anyone think the question about RC not believing her is true and he is just working on her? MN would not say just what was said about RC and her story...:confused:

[aproudmom]

Thanks for that transcript Pan, was this a recent call and does Tim think cummings was attempting to extort that money? This is all very disturbing. IMO :angry:

:ohmy:what? no way

[aproudmom]

Hopefully NG will treat Crystal like the mother of a missing child that she is rather than go off about years' old cr@p that doesn't mean a hill of beans in the disappearance of Haleigh.

IMO, she owes Crystal an apology or at least defend her as much as she has Ron Cummings.

JMO

I hope she does to..I think she respected Ron and she should Crystal also I was wondering the same thing and wondered if this was even a good thing for CS to do...I just don't want to see all the mess start back up for the sake of Jr...JMO

[Scampi]

:ohmy:what? no way

That's why I am questioning it Mom, it's shocking. I wish Tim or Najame would address this money issue, it makes no sense to me why cummings would ask for this money from Tim and not LE. Very disturbing.

I also notice that cummings apparently said things about misty to Tim in private that he would not say to Nancy publicly. What kind of games are being played here?

[*Pia]

For Haleigh and her family...:rose:

[Justice4all]

Mother of Haleigh Issues Press Release in Support of Tim Miller

http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/09-02-2009/0005086839&EDATE=

WOW only took her six months to issue this. Where was she when Tim was looking for her child six months ago? She always has great timing lol


moo

[CFMom]

WOW only took her six months to issue this. Where was she when Tim was looking for her child six months ago? She always has great timing lol


moo

She might be reading the boards...smart move on her part.

[Justice4all]

Thanks for that transcript Pan, was this a recent call and does Tim think cummings was attempting to extort that money? This is all very disturbing. IMO :angry:

you migh want to listen to what Tim said because he NEVER said anything like that.


I find it very disturbing people are twisting facts and adding things that were never said.

[Justice4all]

She might be reading the boards...smart move on her part.

I think her mom makes her do a lot of this. MOO

[HouseOfClark]

I don't know Scampi I wish we knew I just wish we knew what happened and this baby would be brought home I think we all wake and hope to hear this is the day I just do not get how you can fail 4 polys but I am not a expert so I have no clue I am not on here to lay blame on anyone until they say what happened but it sure in the holy heck scares me I knew she took 2 with FLPD and one with FBI and now this one but if only we knew just what is not adding up if she just does not remember if she has blocked something out if she is scared I don't know I try to give her the benefit of the doubt but it is sure hard....and they talked to Tim for 5 hours he works well with LE if they ask him not to release something I do not think he would go behind their back I just do not see it but I could be wrong I truly think Misty should have kept hush hush and not told anyone she was going to do this and then TM would have handed the stuff over to LE heck if he wanted to he could have given out all the information they ask him NOT to release some and as far as I know he has not...

Does anyone think the question about RC not believing her is true and he is just working on her? MN would not say just what was said about RC and her story...:confused:

IMO, she hasn't blocked anything out. I believe she just flat out wasn't there and doesn't have the maturity of a normal 17 year old to realize that you don't lie to police. This is a missing child, not a missing purse.

By lying about her whereabouts or actions that night, she has proven that she cares nothing for Haleigh or Jr. She only cares about herself and possibly losing "her man" that she fought so hard to get.

All of the above is my opinion.

[Justice4all]

That's why I am questioning it Mom, it's shocking. I wish Tim or Najame would address this money issue, it makes no sense to me why cummings would ask for this money from Tim and not LE. Very disturbing.

I also notice that cummings apparently said things about misty to Tim in private that he would not say to Nancy publicly. What kind of games are being played here?

LOL........ game? well when Crystal first went on Nancy she said she didn't know of anything bad happening in Rons house and then she tells Geraldo something else( after he buys some photos form her )
What kind of game is Crystal playing?



jmho

[CFMom]

Hopefully NG will treat Crystal like the mother of a missing child that she is rather than go off about years' old cr@p that doesn't mean a hill of beans in the disappearance of Haleigh.

IMO, she owes Crystal an apology or at least defend her as much as she has Ron Cummings.

JMO

I hope Nancy asks about the back child support. That very well could be a motive. I also hope Nancy finds out if either Crystal or Chad have alibis that night,.

[Justice4all]

:ohmy:what? no way

Tim never even alluded to anything like that.


Ok time to go to yoga...hopefully when i get home Haleigh will be found safe and sound... :rose:

[CFMom]

LOL........ game? well when Crystal first went on Nancy she said she didn't know of anything bad happening in Rons house and then she tells Geraldo something else( after he buys some photos form her )
What kind of game is Crystal playing?



jmho

Crystal sold photos to Geraldo? Surely not pics of Haleigh....seems they;d want those out in the news free. This reminds me of another family of a missing child proffiting instead of searching.

[aproudmom]

Does anyone think TN knows more she is saying MN sat right there with her and talked about why the police do not believe she is telling the whole truth about that night...but then when ask if she believes misty she pauses and says I hope she is telling the truth? they know she has failed 4 polys I guess I just do not understand....not passing judgment just asking everyone else their opinion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZLnYl2-VyA&feature=player_embedded

Police say that the fathers new wife could hold the key to solving this mystery. The Putnam County Sheriff’s Office has said that Misty’s story does not add up. Physical evidence on the scene contradicts what Misty told police. And that according to Jeff, Misty was not being fully honest with the police investigators Teresa Neves acts as if it is perfectly okay for the little 17-year-old to withhold information from the police.

[Pat]

I think her mom makes her do a lot of this. MOO

I think Marie has regrets about her own life and is trying to make Crystal take responsibility for herself and her children. I believe you are correct in saying Marie is the driving force behind Crystal. I don't always agree with the way Marie has handled things, but there is no question she's trying to get Crystal to straighten out her life.

I thought she was so smart to get Crystal out from under Picazio's influence and to move the HaLeighbug center to the farm, but I question her aligning herself with the Croslins. Certainly no good can come of that.

These people and their lifestyles just make me shudder...this is exactly what we don't want for our own children.

[CFMom]

I am with you Brattnt and I have to give Crystal credit for not taking a trip to Satsuma to pay a little visit to Haleigh myself. I am afraid if I was in Crystals shoes I just might, but then I might end up in jail also.

Thanks panache for the links

moo

A visist to Haleigh?

[Viva4Haleigh]

Scamp:

Partial transcription of the raw audio:

Tim Miller: Uhm...you know...last night...thattt..when we talked about that Ronald said if he had $35,000 we could get her home. Well...you know what...I've got five people that could go ahead and get $35,000 and we could put it in a special account tomorrow. And when little Haleigh comes home...he can go ahead and give that $35,000 to somebody and we are all full of sh*t.

TJH: Now wait a second...wha...$35,000...how would that...ah...get him off the hook about getting his kid home? Maybe I missed something there!

Tim Miller: No. Ronald Cummings said...I've got a voice message on my phone that Ronald Cummings called his father in law and his father in law called me and said, "Tim, I thought you came down here to be a friend, but apparently you're not because Ronald called me and said if he had $35,000 he could have his daughter home."
Well...you know what...uh...like I said I've got five friends. I don't have $35,000, but I would donate something to that cause...uh...but a...we could have $35,000 in a special account tomorrow. And uh...if its a week or two weeks before Haleigh comes home...we'll give the $35,000 away. We don't need all this other drama. I mean if she's alive...let's get her home!

TJH: Wow! OK!

Tim Miller: And I am willing...and I am willing...to play the voice message tomorrow.

Um, what????

[jakee]

Um, what????

LOL, I have read that several times and still am not understanding what is being said. I think I have to hear it and not read it, or maybe I need more coffee....:confused:

Is the father in law saying that Tim told Ron that he needs 35,000 to fund the search? I am so confused.

[Scampi]

Tim never even alluded to anything like that.


Ok time to go to yoga...hopefully when i get home Haleigh will be found safe and sound... :rose:

No one said Tim alluded to or said anything about extortion. That was my question. Please stop distorting what posters say, it only adds
to confusion

BTW, on last night's thread there is much info about the money and exactly what was said to Tim about it..

[CFMom]

Um, what????

Sounds like Mistys father said this to Tim and NOT Ron.

[aproudmom]

Crystal sold photos to Geraldo? Surely not pics of Haleigh....seems they;d want those out in the news free. This reminds me of another family of a missing child proffiting instead of searching.

what I never heard she sold Geraldo anything does Fox pay for pictures?

[Viva4Haleigh]

LOL, I have read that several times and still am not understanding what is being said. I think I have to hear it and not read it, or maybe I need more coffee....:confused:

Is the father in law saying that Tim told Ron that he needs 35,000 to fund the search? I am so confused.

Ronald said if he had $35,000 we could get her home. Well...you know what...I've got five people that could go ahead and get $35,000 and we could put it in a special account tomorrow. And when little Haleigh comes home...he can go ahead and give that $35,000 to somebody and we are all full of sh*t.

TJH: Now wait a second...wha...$35,000...how would that...ah...get him off the hook about getting his kid home? Maybe I missed something there!

Tim Miller: No. Ronald Cummings said...I've got a voice message on my phone that Ronald Cummings called his father in law and his father in law called me and said, "Tim, I thought you came down here to be a friend, but apparently you're not because Ronald called me and said if he had $35,000 he could have his daughter home."

I dont know what it all means- It sounds like he implied to Tim if he could get his hands on 35k, he could get his saughter back, and then he in turn called Mistys dad saying Tim said if Ron could get his hands on 35k then they would find Haleigh?


All I have to say is this- I trust Tim Miller completely and he is not lying about any of this- Now, why would Ronald even say something like that? I mean is 35k what he owes someone and they took Haleigh? Its absurd these games he is playing, I am glad Tim Miller is making us privy to these developments-

jmo

[CFMom]

what I never heard she sold Geraldo anything does Fox pay for pictures?

No idea. I was asking myself.

[Viva4Haleigh]

what I never heard she sold Geraldo anything does Fox pay for pictures?

Does anyone know if Ron got paid any licensing fees from the Today show for his wedding video?

[CFMom]

Ronald said if he had $35,000 we could get her home. Well...you know what...I've got five people that could go ahead and get $35,000 and we could put it in a special account tomorrow. And when little Haleigh comes home...he can go ahead and give that $35,000 to somebody and we are all full of sh*t.

TJH: Now wait a second...wha...$35,000...how would that...ah...get him off the hook about getting his kid home? Maybe I missed something there!

Tim Miller: No. Ronald Cummings said...I've got a voice message on my phone that Ronald Cummings called his father in law and his father in law called me and said, "Tim, I thought you came down here to be a friend, but apparently you're not because Ronald called me and said if he had $35,000 he could have his daughter home."

I dont know what it all means- It sounds like he implied to Tim if he could get his hands on 35k, he could get his saughter back, and then he in turn called Mistys dad saying Tim said if Ron could get his hands on 35k then they would find Haleigh?


All I have to say is this- I trust Tim Miller completely and he is not lying about any of this- Now, why would Ronald even say something like that? I mean is 35k what he owes someone and they took Haleigh? Its absurd these games he is playing, I am glad Tim Miller is making us privy to these developments-

jmo

Its clear. Rons father in law called Tim...not Ron..HERESAY

[CFMom]

Does anyone know if Ron got paid any licensing fees from the Today show for his wedding video?

Id rather see them sell wedding videos than pics of Haleigh..man...making money off your missing child..thats harsh.

[willow]

Mother of Haleigh Issues Press Release in Support of Tim Miller

http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/09-02-2009/0005086839&EDATE=

Thank you Panache for the links this morning.

I think it was very nice of the Sheffield family to make a donation to TES in Haleigh's name.

Here we have the Sheffield family thanking Tim Miller and TES and donating money to them in Haleigh's name.

Then we have Misty and Ron slamming Tim Miller and TES that are trying to help find Haleigh.

Of course, somehow the above does not surprise me anymore.

[msgatorslayer]

That's why I am questioning it Mom, it's shocking. I wish Tim or Najame would address this money issue, it makes no sense to me why cummings would ask for this money from Tim and not LE. Very disturbing.

I also notice that cummings apparently said things about misty to Tim in private that he would not say to Nancy publicly. What kind of games are being played here?

There was a rumor going around while I was up in that area.

Someone who knows someone, was in jail with someone ...

Ron was dealing drugs with Mexicans in, IIRC, Carson City, the east coast. He ripped them off and they took Haleigh.

Course, I told the person who told me this that drug dealers don't typically want children around. That the 'rumor' didn't sound probable, to me.

But I now wonder why Ron would need 35k to bring Haleigh home.:confused:

[CFMom]

There was a rumor going around while I was up in that area.

Someone who knows someone, was in jail with someone ...

Ron was dealing drugs with Mexicans in, IIRC, Carson City, the east coast. He ripped them off and they took Haleigh.

Course, I told the person who told me this that drug dealers don't typically want children around. That the 'rumor' didn't sound probable, to me.

But I now wonder why Ron would need 35k to bring Haleigh home.:confused:

I hope this rumor you heard doesnt become 'truth' a couple pages from now.

[Scampi]

you migh want to listen to what Tim said because he NEVER said anything like that.


I find it very disturbing people are twisting facts and adding things that were never said.

Here is what I said:

Originally Posted by Scampi
Thanks for that transcript Pan, was this a recent call and does Tim think cummings was attempting to extort that money? This is all very disturbing. IMO

Do you see that I am questioning the request for money. I never said Tim used the word extortion. That is my question. Again, stop with the distortions, it only adds to the confusion on the board.

[Viva4Haleigh]

There was a rumor going around while I was up in that area.

Someone who knows someone, was in jail with someone ...

Ron was dealing drugs with Mexicans in, IIRC, Carson City, the east coast. He ripped them off and they took Haleigh.

Course, I told the person who told me this that drug dealers don't typically want children around. That the 'rumor' didn't sound probable, to me.

But I now wonder why Ron would need 35k to bring Haleigh home.:confused:

All I have to say is if Ron knows where she is and he has kept quiet because of what he was involved in and what may happen to him if his life is exposed, all I have to say is he frys right along with the rest of the perps, if there are any- If she was sold.......:mad: If she was taken because of Rons bad choices- I really just dont know whats worse- but why is Ron asking about 35k? I believe Tim Miller-

jmo

[CFMom]

Thank you Panache for the links this morning.

I think it was very nice of the Sheffield family to make a donation to TES in Haleigh's name.

Here we have the Sheffield family thanking Tim Miller and TES and donating money to them in Haleigh's name.

Then we have Misty and Ron slamming Tim Miller and TES that are trying to help find Haleigh.

Of course, somehow the above does not surprise me anymore.

I agree. Supporting TES is a wonderful thing. Tim does so much for so many.

[aproudmom]

LOL........ game? well when Crystal first went on Nancy she said she didn't know of anything bad happening in Rons house and then she tells Geraldo something else( after he buys some photos form her )
What kind of game is Crystal playing?



jmho

I really have no clue what pictures have to do with what is going on now but maybe I missed something was this in the past week or so and how much did she get for the pictures did Fox pay for them? I do not call that game sorry Justice but CS has not failed 4 polys and her daughter has been missing for 6 months just like RC Misty is my problem I would like to know why she can not get a story straight not who paid for a trip to New York for a honeymoon or who paid for Pics that is part of every case not a big deal to me but if some feel the need to bring up that so be it..This is one problem on here has CS even spoke lately? I guess we shall see her tonight on NG even though I am not so sure it is the best thing for her to do..:rolleyes:

[CFMom]

All I have to say is if Ron knows where she is and he has kept quiet because of what he was involved in and what may happen to him if his life is exposed, all I have to say is he frys right along with the rest of the perps, if there are any- If she was sold.......:mad: If she was taken because of Rons bad choices- I really just dont know whats worse- but why is Ron asking about 35k? I believe Tim Miller-

jmo

The way I'm reading that is Tim has a voice mail from Rons father in law talking about Ron telling his father in law about the 35,000..if so its heresay.

[aproudmom]

Here is what I said:

Originally Posted by Scampi
Thanks for that transcript Pan, was this a recent call and does Tim think cummings was attempting to extort that money? This is all very disturbing. IMO

Do you see that I am questioning the request for money. I never said Tim used the word extortion. That is my question. Again, stop with the distortions, it only adds to the confusion on the board.

I saw you were asking a question Scampi...I had not even heard about it until it was just posted...

[Pat]

If Ron told Tim Miller directly that $35,000 would be what it takes to get HaLeigh back, why isn't the big headline "HaLeigh Found"? I don't believe Tim wouldn't immediately go to LE with any information that would get HaLeigh released. Tim is obviously working with Marc NeJames and getting the $35T wouldn't be a problem if it secured HaLeigh's release. Why fool around trying to get Misty to talk if Ron knows who has her?

I've listened to the audio four times and from what I can tell, Tim is talking about what Hank, Sr. told him. I could be wrong...the audio is confusing.

One thing for sure, we'll know in the next couple of days.

[Scampi]

There was a rumor going around while I was up in that area.

Someone who knows someone, was in jail with someone ...

Ron was dealing drugs with Mexicans in, IIRC, Carson City, the east coast. He ripped them off and they took Haleigh.

Course, I told the person who told me this that drug dealers don't typically want children around. That the 'rumor' didn't sound probable, to me.

But I now wonder why Ron would need 35k to bring Haleigh home.:confused:

I tell ya Msgator, at this point I would put nothing past this bunch. Recent revelations of cummings not being totally forthcoming with LE are disgusting to me. When a child goes "missing" you cough it all up, the good, the bad and the ugly. Just like the Van Dam's did in the case of Daniele.

And you certainly don't marry the female who fails polygraphs regarding the night your daughter "disappeared" from your trailer. IMO.

LE should haul commings in and ask him to whom he was going to give the $35,000, in his effort to get Haleigh back.

[giraffe]

http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/mother-haleigh-cummings-supports-texas-equusearch-tim-miller/

The Sheffield/Griffis families appreciate the dedication of Tim Miller to the truth and to the search for HaLeigh. As a family, they have made a donation to Texas EquuSearch in the name of HaLeigh Cummings and they ask others to do the same.

"I still wake up every morning wondering if someone will call and tell me that HaLeigh has been found and that she wants to see me. All I want is HaLeigh back home. I would like to thank Tim Miller for trying to help find my daughter," says Crystal Sheffield.

Marie Griffis agrees and says, "We have been looking for HaLeigh for over six months and we need all of the help we can get. All we want is the truth. Thank you Mr. Miller for helping to find out the truth about HaLeigh."

The family asks that people show their support for Texas EquuSearch and Tim Miller by making donations to the organization in the name of HaLeigh Cummings.

Donations can be mailed to: Texas EquuSearch, P.O. Box 395, Dickinson, Texas 77539

Online donations can be made at the Texas EquuSearch website at : www.texasequusearch.org

[CFMom]

If Ron told Tim Miller directly that $35,000 would be what it takes to get HaLeigh back, why isn't the big headline "HaLeigh Found"? I don't believe Tim wouldn't immediately go to LE with any information that would get HaLeigh released. Tim is obviously working with Marc NeJames and getting the $35T wouldn't be a problem if it secured HaLeigh's release. Why fool around trying to get Misty to talk if Ron knows who has her?

I've listened to the audio four times and from what I can tell, Tim is talking about what Hank, Sr. told him. I could be wrong...the audio is confusing.

One thing for sure, we'll know in the next couple of days.

Pat I heard the same as you. And Mistys dad doesnt like Ron so I think its BS.

[panman]

Here is what I said:

Originally Posted by Scampi
Thanks for that transcript Pan, was this a recent call and does Tim think cummings was attempting to extort that money? This is all very disturbing. IMO

Do you see that I am questioning the request for money. I never said Tim used the word extortion. That is my question. Again, stop with the distortions, it only adds to the confusion on the board.

scampi, don't you think putting rumors, post #69, on this board also adds to confusion, which no doubt in my mind will becomes someones fact?

[Scampi]

I saw you were asking a question Scampi...I had not even heard about it until it was just posted...

Thanks Mom, I appreciate that. This money thing really has me wondering what the heck is going on down there in Satsuma.

[Pat]

Pat I heard the same as you. And Mistys dad doesnt like Ron so I think its BS.

While I think it is likely it is BS, I wouldn't rule out anything in this case. Hank, Sr. is allegedly mad at Tim Miller because he's exposed Misty and the Croslins hate the Cummings.

All that being said, I still don't rule anything out in this case. So much of what we have seen is driven by the underlying animosity between all three families, including extended family, and it makes it hard to know how much truth is buried under the accusations.

In my opinion.

[Elle]

The way I'm reading that is Tim has a voice mail from Rons father in law talking about Ron telling his father in law about the 35,000..if so its heresay.

That is how I read it too...that Hank called Tim and left a message about Ron

"Tim, I thought you came down here to be a friend, but apparently you're not because Ronald called me and said if he had $35,000 he could have his daughter home."

everything in quotes is Hank...according to Tim. Tim does not say 'Ronald called me'....Hank says 'Ronald called me'.

imo

[willow]

Tim Miller released the information regarding what happened with misty, to refute the lies that she and cummings were spouting.

I am not surprised to see who is criticizing him and taking up for these people who lie. It's appalling.

Can someone catch me up on what the $35,000 is all about?

Scampi I looked for the link on the $35,000.00 and I can't find it and I can not remember who posted it. If someone does not post the link soon, I will try to find it again. For some reason, I am thinking it is around page 20 of last nights thread but I went through several pages so I guess I over looked it.

[Diamond1]

Hopefully NG will treat Crystal like the mother of a missing child that she is rather than go off about years' old cr@p that doesn't mean a hill of beans in the disappearance of Haleigh.

IMO, she owes Crystal an apology or at least defend her as much as she has Ron Cummings.

JMO


I think Crystal should refuse to talk to NG and go on JVM show instead.

[CFMom]

Beautiful pics of Haleigh

http://www.myspace.com/daddyslittlehaleigh

[Pat]

Leonard Padilla offered to take Misty to Canada to get her to talk, where she would feel safe from LE and Ron. Pie in the sky.

Misty doesn't need to be removed from the long arm of the law or Ron's rage if she knows what happened to HaLeigh and won't tell. She needs to scurry her butt right into a jail cell right in Putnam County where she belongs. She should be more afraid of Ron than LE.

[willow]

misty failed FOUR polygraphs, why is cummings still with her and exposing his son to her???????

I don't know, but it has really upset me. I normally stay out of the JR discussion but I have to say that at this time Ron needs to put JR first and let him stay with his mommy for awhile.

Just like I said last night JR is not in school so I do not see where anything would stand in the way for JR to stay with Crystal for awhile.

[Elle]

I would be interested to know if all of Misty's LDT were lined up, would they show the same level of deception on like questions across the board, or if there are inconsistencies in the results of the similar questions between the different tests, again rendering her consitently inconsistent.

[Viva4Haleigh]

Leonard Padilla offered to take Misty to Canada to get her to talk, where she would feel safe from LE and Ron. Pie in the sky.

Misty doesn't need to be removed from the long arm of the law or Ron's rage if she knows what happened to HaLeigh and won't tell. She needs to scurry her butt right into a jail cell right in Putnam County where she belongs. She should be more afraid of Ron than LE.

Like Ron is scarier than prison- give me a break-
He would have hurt her long ago had he really thought she did something and was hiding everything from Ron, these two are accomplices, thick as thieves, Bonnie and Clyde-

jmo

[Elle]

Beautiful pics of Haleigh

http://www.myspace.com/daddyslittlehaleigh

I just love her pictures!! There is something truly magical about Haleigh.

[CFMom]

Like Ron is scarier than prison- give me a break-
He would have hurt her long ago had he really thought she did something and was hiding everything from Ron, these two are accomplices, thick as thieves, Bonnie and Clyde-

jmo

Or maybe hes not the abusive husband some would have us believe and is actually letting the police handle the case.

[Tracian]

Someone asked why Canada and the reason for that I believe is because this is going to be a possible death penalty case when someone is arrested and Canada will not extradite someone if they are facing a death penalty case here.

I totally believe that Ron said that if he had the $35,000.00 he could get Haleigh back. The question would be if he meant what he said or not.

My whole problem with this is that some of these people have lied, be it an out and out lie, or a lie of omission, or even not saying anything when someone else lies, that I can no longer believe any of the Cummings.

I do believe that Misti knows exactly what happened to Haleigh and I do believe that Misti is doing everything that she is doing based on her prior experience with LE and in this case, she is failing because her prior experience she wasn't being looked at as a person of interest.

To your first point about a DP case:

Misty is under age, she cannot face the DP. Lenny talked about bringing Misty to Canada, not Ron.

About Hank Sr. calling Tim:

Why would Ron call Hank about anything? If Ron did he would be violating his bail, as he is not suposed to have contact with his alleged 'victims' or witnesses to the alleged crime.

Seems that Hank should be more upset that Misty tanked on her tests, and Tim's comments about it.

Talk about lies:

The only person LE has a problem with is Misty.

[CFMom]

I just love her pictures!! There is something truly magical about Haleigh.

Is she not one of the most beautiful little girls you ever saw? Such a big smile. So full of love...and OMG what abeautiful complexion. God PLEASE let her come home.

[panman]

Scampi I looked for the link on the $35,000.00 and I can't find it and I can not remember who posted it. If someone does not post the link soon, I will try to find it again. For some reason, I am thinking it is around page 20 of last nights thread but I went through several pages so I guess I over looked it.

There is a search feature at the top of this page. That should help :rose:

[Diamond1]

Id rather see them sell wedding videos than pics of Haleigh..man...making money off your missing child..thats harsh.

CFMom. GR did not buy any pictures from Crystal. That is a rumor that poster started this morning.

I don't think anyone wants Ron's wedding pictures.

[aproudmom]

That's why I am questioning it Mom, it's shocking. I wish Tim or Najame would address this money issue, it makes no sense to me why cummings would ask for this money from Tim and not LE. Very disturbing.

I also notice that cummings apparently said things about misty to Tim in private that he would not say to Nancy publicly. What kind of games are being played here?

my bolding

yes I see you said that is why you are questioning it not saying it is a fact..just so we don't upset the thread...I think RC and MC got very close to TM he said himself he was like a grandfather figure IIRC and I can see someone opening up to him I think TM really wanted Misty to pass with flying colors I really do but that is JMO

Just for the record I am not saying TM is jesus and has not done wrong in some of this but I have seen and read all his wonderful work and to see these 2 cases in Flordia trying to bring a bad wrap on him it really is sad

[CFMom]

I cant stop thinking..why was Haleigh taken and not JR? The answer sickens me to no end. I pray it wasnt a pediphile. I think about how lil Caylee was found and I wanna cry thinking little Haleigh could very well be laying somewhere close to home to, unlocated. HOW in the **** can someone do this to a lil child??

[CFMom]

CFMom. GR did not buy any pictures from Crystal. That is a rumor that poster started this morning.

I don't think anyone wants Ron's wedding pictures.

TY...Grrrrrrrr...I hate rumors.

[Viva4Haleigh]

my bolding

yes I see you said that is why you are questioning it not saying it is a fact..just so we don't upset the thread...I think RC and MC got very close to TM he said himself he was like a grandfather figure IIRC and I can see someone opening up to him I think TM really wanted Misty to pass with flying colors I really do but that is JMO

Just for the record I am not saying TM is jesus and has not done wrong in some of this but I have seen and read all his wonderful work and to see these 2 cases in Flordia trying to bring a bad wrap on him it really is sad

Oh, I totally think TM wanted Misty to pass and all of that, for sure-

But I think a picture was painted for TM and it was not a very pretty one- He actually spent time with Ron and Misty, the dynamics of those two and being around them was probably very educational- Much like Padilla will be testifying at Caseys court, I think Tim will play that role when the state tries Misty and Ron for whatever happened to Haleigh-

jmo

[panache]

Clear as a bell!!

Ron tells Tim, *if I had 35k I can bring Haleigh home!

Teresa says * Misty is on secret phone calls, she won't even talk to Ron*.

Tim has a *voice message from Ron's FIL*.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSrskatfcGQ

[CFMom]

Clear as a bell!!

Ron tells Tim, *if I had 35k I can bring Haleigh home!

Teresa says * Misty is on secret phone calls, she won't even talk to Ron*.

Tim has a *voice message from Ron's FIL*.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSrskatfcGQ

Clear to me too..when Tim is questioned about the 35000 he said Rons father in law left him a voice message saying I thought you were my friend and that about Ron telling him *the fil* that if he had 35000 he could get Haleigh back,

[panache]

To your first point about a DP case:

Misty is under age, she cannot face the DP. Lenny talked about bringing Misty to Canada, not Ron.

About Hank Sr. calling Tim:

Why would Ron call Hank about anything? If Ron did he would be violating his bail, as he is not suposed to have contact with his alleged 'victims' or witnesses to the alleged crime.

Seems that Hank should be more upset that Misty tanked on her tests, and Tim's comments about it.

Talk about lies:

The only person LE has a problem with is Misty.


For the record, Fla allows the death penalty for the age as young as 16.

http://www.fadp.org/

[Tracian]

Clear as a bell!!

Ron tells Tim, *if I had 35k I can bring Haleigh home!

Teresa says * Misty is on secret phone calls, she won't even talk to Ron*.

Tim has a *voice message from Ron's FIL*.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSrskatfcGQ



Tim says that Ronald told his father in law...not that Ron told Tim...and he has the recording of Hank.

Teresa does not trust Misty...

[willow]

Last night I posted that MN was TN attorney. Some posters thought he was not so I thought that I had just gotten mixed up about that. Then I watch the video below and it does say that MN is TN attorney.

So, is the reporter wrong in this video or is MN a attorney for TN and if so why does TN need an attorney?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZLnYl2-VyA&feature=player_embedded

[Tracian]

For the record, Fla allows the death penalty for the age as young as 16.

http://www.fadp.org/


SCOTUS ruled on that.


The Supreme Court recently reversed its position on minors, stating that it unconstitutional to execute those who committed the murder(s) when they were under 18. (ROPER v. SIMMONS, No. 03-0633, March 2005).



Roper v. Simmons, 543 U.S. 551 (2005) was a decision in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that it is unconstitutional to impose capital punishment for crimes committed while under the age of 18. The 5-4 decision overruled the Court's prior ruling upholding such sentences on offenders above or at the age of 16, in Stanford v. Kentucky, 492 U.S. 361 (1989), overturning statutes in 25 states that had the penalty set lower


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roper_v._Simmons


SCOTUS trumps state laws.

[Viva4Haleigh]

For the record, Fla allows the death penalty for the age as young as 16.

http://www.fadp.org/

Excellent-

Well, TM has tape of TN saying she Misty isn't talking to Ronald and making secret calls- But then, now TN is not wanting anything to do with TM, and Misty is calling him a liar, and he has all these recordings or voicemails, and they want to play games with Tim Miller? Whoa-

Then we have Ronald saying if he had 35k he could get her back, now what is that even supposed to mean? Was he going to pay someone off, and if so who, and if he even has an idea of who to give 35k to, to get her back, why has he not told police so they could swoop in and get the perp? Or was it going to fund a adventure for him to travel out of state with Misty to go look for her, It does not make any sense-

jmo

[Tracian]

Last night I posted that MN was TN attorney. Some posters thought he was not so I thought that I had just gotten mixed up about that. Then I watch the video below and it does say that MN is TN attorney.

So, is the reporter wrong in this video or is MN a attorney for TN and if so why does TN need an attorney?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZLnYl2-VyA&feature=player_embedded


MN seems to have only been there for media; like he did for the Anthony's.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/19/earlyshow/main5251508.shtml

[Viva4Haleigh]

I don't trust TN, RC MC. They all knew how this child was living. Or rather, trying to survive. She didn't have a chance.

Then Ron tells TM there was not any detergent in the home, and the only clothes in the dryer were dirty ones? That the bed was made, so she didn't go to sleep- That he thinks she was having sex with someone and Haleigh saw and said I am going to tell Daddy? Then he marries Misty- But then he goes on to say if he had 35k he could get her back?

What the heck is going on here?

jmo

[Texas48]

Tim Miller released the information regarding what happened with misty, to refute the lies that she and cummings were spouting.

I am not surprised to see who is criticizing him and taking up for these people who lie. It's appalling.

Can someone catch me up on what the $35,000 is all about? Red By Me
and..who are these ppl scampi..?
I do not appreciate your use of the word *appalling* to describe posters that DO NOT AGREE with you...
There has NOT been one poster I have seen or read saying anything bad about TM or his organization.....what some didnt agree with was the way the info was released..thats all.....and that is their right and their opinion....but..for you to use the word..*appalling* in pointing out these posters is a disgrace and uncalled for...
you make sure you point out to me where it says in the TOS at IS that ALL posters MUST agree with *scampi*........and if NOT..then you consider yourself..*appalling*. :cursing:

[ann10]

I"m sorry, but LE has stated that NO ABDUCTION OCCURRED: IE
Haleigh was NOT TAKEN.

This most likely is a case of familial abuse, and she is dead. I'm waiting for the arrests. Of both "cummings". Parents, I can not call them that.

I have patience. I cannot wait for the day I see them cuffed.

Knock knock, "ronald". Knock Knock "misty" or whatever your name really is. Should have stayed in school, the whole lot of em.


Of course.

[CFMom]

I"m sorry, but LE has stated that NO ABDUCTION OCCURRED: IE
Haleigh was NOT TAKEN.

This most likely is a case of familial abuse, and she is dead. I'm waiting for the arrests. Of both "cummings". Parents, I can not call them that.

I have patience. I cannot wait for the day I see them cuffed.

Knock knock, "ronald". Knock Knock "misty" or whatever your name really is. Should have stayed in school, the whole lot of em.

To my knowledge LE hasnt a clue what REALLY happen to Haleigh..if they did an arrest would be made.

[CFMom]

Then Ron tells TM there was not any detergent in the home, and the only clothes in the dryer were dirty ones? That the bed was made, so she didn't go to sleep- That he thinks she was having sex with someone and Haleigh saw and said I am going to tell Daddy? Then he marries Misty- But then he goes on to say if he had 35k he could get her back?

What the heck is going on here?

jmo

Ron didnt tell Tim he needed 35000...Rons FIL called Tim and told Him Ron said it..heresay

[aproudmom]

CFMom. GR did not buy any pictures from Crystal. That is a rumor that poster started this morning.

I don't think anyone wants Ron's wedding pictures.

thanks I had not heard that so wondered if I just missed it or what..I know alot of times they will pay for a licensing fee but it is for videos and stuff...not that I care I just thought I missed it and felt it really did not matter at this point..I really do not think CS or RC got the amount of money the Anthony's have and still are getting...JMO

[Viva4Haleigh]

Ron didnt tell Tim he needed 35000...Rons FIL called Tim and told Him Ron said it..heresay

You obviously did not listen to the tape- And thats ok- but it starts out with a meeting with Tim and Ron, and thats when the 35k is brought up, from what I understand-

[willow]

A visist to Haleigh?

Wow, you were FAST - As soon as I seen I had made that mistake it would not let me change names, but it did let me delete the post. At least I thought it let me delete it, I hope it did.


I apologize for that post - I haven't had enough coffee yet.

What I meant to say was - A visit to Misty - NOT a visit to Haleigh.

[ClimbingRose]

I agree SM....I respect TM and all he has done and will do...but I don't like how this entire mess was handled...Its one thing to try and help out so he gave Misty the test.....I have a problem with him releasing the results to the media....IMO..he should have given everything he had over to LE and let them decide from there....I wonder how *happy* LE is about all this being released to the public..?
Good morning to all and ...RR...TY for the thread....
:rose: for HaLeigh Marie Cummings



Morning everyone. Just a sentimental thought(which doesn't come often) Each of us come to this board day after day searching for answers about what happened that night. This club is very diverse which at times lead to bickering, accusations and other forms of disrepect. But, each of us are a voice for a sweet, precious adorable child who no longer will be heard. We are only one community of many who have wrapped this little girl in our arms, protecting her where so many had failed. I truly pray that Haleigh can feel the warmth of our love for her and be at peace knowing we refuse to stop until Justice is served. Perhaps she is even relieved that b/c of us another child may be saved and not suffer the horrific death she had to. It's Simply a Motherly Protective Opinion

[msgatorslayer]

I"m sorry, but LE has stated that NO ABDUCTION OCCURRED: IE
Haleigh was NOT TAKEN.

This most likely is a case of familial abuse, and she is dead. I'm waiting for the arrests. Of both "cummings". Parents, I can not call them that.

I have patience. I cannot wait for the day I see them cuffed.

Knock knock, "ronald". Knock Knock "misty" or whatever your name really is. Should have stayed in school, the whole lot of em.

I recall another LE agency saying that Trenton Duckett was 'handed off'. Just last week, Sheriff Giles, now retired, says he believes Trenton is dead. And as a new memeber of TES, he's planning to search for Trenton's remains.

IMO, LE in Haleigh's case has no idea what happened to her.

I also recall an interview with a man named Archie Lunsfords where LE told him, flat out, the evidence leads to him. That he did something with his GrandDaughter.

Even though there was a tear in the screen door, LE said there was no sign of a stranger abduction.

I don't believe LE should go with any one theory but look at all avenues and not have a closed mind. JMO

[aproudmom]

To my knowledge LE hasnt a clue what REALLY happen to Haleigh..if they did an arrest would be made.

Does anyone know when Misty turns 18? TIA

[Texas48]

I think her mom makes her do a lot of this. MOO
And I think you are right Justice...you could see that from the start with Marie...When the media started asking Crystal WHY she didnt have custody of her children that is when Marie stepped in and more or less...Took over... seems like Marie has been trying to *repair* Crystal's image ever since.....
In My Opinion

[HouseOfClark]

Does anyone know when Misty turns 18? TIA

December 8th, I believe.

[willow]

you migh want to listen to what Tim said because he NEVER said anything like that.


I find it very disturbing people are twisting facts and adding things that were never said.

Justice, I have not seen one person twisting facts today about the video and the $35,000.00.

I have seen posters discussing what it could possibly mean, but there is a big difference there.

So, I hope today is not a repeat of yesterday..OK.

[panache]

SCOTUS ruled on that.








http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roper_v._Simmons


SCOTUS trumps state laws.

Then is this info incorrect?

I.STATES THAT PERMIT THE IMPOSITION OF THE DEATH PENALTY ON JUVENILES

Alabama

Ala. Code §13A-6-2(c) (West 2004) (no express minimum age)

Arizona

Ariz. Rev. Stat. Ann. §13-703(A) (West Supp. 2004) (same)

Arkansas

Ark. Code Ann. §5-4-615 (Michie 1997) (same)

Delaware

Del. Code Ann., Tit. 11, (Lexis 1995) (same)

Florida

[Viva4Haleigh]

All I have to say, is if they went and picked up Mistys brother and his wife after Mistys tapes were released blaming him, they should go pick up Ron and question him about his theory Misty was having sex with someone and Haleigh was going to tell, and they should also ask him about the 35k- I hope they send a car to pick him real soon-

jmo

[Tracian]

Then is this info incorrect?

I.STATES THAT PERMIT THE IMPOSITION OF THE DEATH PENALTY ON JUVENILES

Alabama

Ala. Code §13A-6-2(c) (West 2004) (no express minimum age)

Arizona

Ariz. Rev. Stat. Ann. §13-703(A) (West Supp. 2004) (same)

Arkansas

Ark. Code Ann. §5-4-615 (Michie 1997) (same)

Delaware

Del. Code Ann., Tit. 11, (Lexis 1995) (same)

Florida



Even according to your link:


On March 1st, 2005 ( International Death Penalty Abolition Day), the U.S. Supreme Court declared the execution of juvenile offenders to be UNCONSTITUTIONAL, removing three Florida prisoners and 69 others from death rows across the United States. It is no longer legal to execute Children in our state or in this country.

http://www.fadp.org/#juvenile

[HouseOfClark]

I recall another LE agency saying that Trenton Duckett was 'handed off'. Just last week, Sheriff Giles, now retired, says he believes Trenton is dead. And as a new memeber of TES, he's planning to search for Trenton's remains.

IMO, LE in Haleigh's case has no idea what happened to her.

I also recall an interview with a man named Archie Lunsfords where LE told him, flat out, the evidence leads to him. That he did something with his GrandDaughter.

Even though there was a tear in the screen door, LE said there was no sign of a stranger abduction.

I don't believe LE should go with any one theory but look at all avenues and not have a closed mind. JMO

I never heard Archie say that all the evidence leads to him. I heard Archie and Ruth say that Ruth's polygraph was inconsistent and that Archie was being asked about charges from long ago.

I also never heard that the screen door was torn. Couey entered the home through an unlocked door (which Marc said all along that he left unlocked when he went to visit his girlfriend). There was a torn screen in the VanDam case as I recall, but not for the Lunsfords.

Are you sure you don't have your cases mixed up?

[CFMom]

You obviously did not listen to the tape- And thats ok- but it starts out with a meeting with Tim and Ron, and thats when the 35k is brought up, from what I understand-

I have listened to it three times and it has to be listened to all the way thru. Tim mentions Ron and the 35 thou,,then hes asked about it and says the FIL called him.

[Diamond1]

At what age is a teenager considered a legal adult in the state of Florida?

[Viva4Haleigh]

I agree! I don't trust none of them.

How can TN all of a sudden have a beef with Tim Miller after she called him saying she basically didn't trust Misty, and all that? Why does it seem that Ron and TN are now backing Misty?

[CFMom]

I never heard Archie say that all the evidence leads to him. I heard Archie and Ruth say that Ruth's polygraph was inconsistent and that Archie was being asked about charges from long ago.

I also never heard that the screen door was torn. Couey entered the home through an unlocked door (which Marc said all along that he left unlocked when he went to visit his girlfriend). There was a torn screen in the VanDam case as I recall, but not for the Lunsfords.

Are you sure you don't have your cases mixed up?

I dont recall a tear in a screan in the VanDam case..the neighbor entered thru a door. I also recall how this family was shredded to pieces by peoples 'opinions'

[CFMom]

At what age is a teenager considered a legal adult in the state of Florida?

18..21 to buy beer.

[panache]

Even according to your link:


On March 1st, 2005 ( International Death Penalty Abolition Day), the U.S. Supreme Court declared the execution of juvenile offenders to be UNCONSTITUTIONAL, removing three Florida prisoners and 69 others from death rows across the United States. It is no longer legal to execute Children in our state or in this country.

http://www.fadp.org/#juvenile

I started searching this earlier today, and there is so much reading one can handle at a time. One article seems to contradict another.

Nevertheless, for the moment, I'll drop the subject. That being said, I am against the DP for any age, as LIPWOP ,IMO, is a much harsher sentence.

[Pat]

Red By Me
and..who are these ppl scampi..?
I do not appreciate your use of the word *appalling* to describe posters that DO NOT AGREE with you...
There has NOT been one poster I have seen or read saying anything bad about TM or his organization.....what some didnt agree with was the way the info was released..thats all.....and that is their right and their opinion....but..for you to use the word..*appalling* in pointing out these posters is a disgrace and uncalled for...
you make sure you point out to me where it says in the TOS at IS that ALL posters MUST agree with *scampi*........and if NOT..then you consider yourself..*appalling*. :cursing:

The use of inflammatory language, while being careful not to point the finger at any specific poster, is a baiting technique. Either skip and scroll or use the ignore feature...replying might get you put in timeout or banned. Just a friendly warning.

[panman]

ClimbingRose, you posted: Perhaps she is even relieved that b/c of us another child may be saved and not suffer the horrific death she had to.

Where is the proof of this "horrific death"?

Posters may save another child? How?

[Viva4Haleigh]

So if Ron suspects Misty, or someone she may have been having sex with, why did he try to point to Crystals side of the family?

[Tracian]

At what age is a teenager considered a legal adult in the state of Florida?

18 unless they are married or emancipated, but under the age of 18 excludes them from the DP.

[aproudmom]

December 8th, I believe.

thanks House..

[Diamond1]

So if Ron suspects Misty, or someone she may have been having sex with, why did he try to point to Crystals side of the family?


Ron is spinning a web of lies, imo.

[Tracian]

I started searching this earlier today, and there is so much reading one can handle at a time. One article seems to contradict another.

Nevertheless, for the moment, I'll drop the subject. That being said, I am against the DP for any age, as LIPWOP ,IMO, is a much harsher sentence.



Fair enough, but like I said, even your link an anti DP site updated after the ruling by SCOTUS

This was a huge topic of discussion in the Dyleski trial, because he was 'almost' 18 when he murdered Pam Vitale. (sorry if the spelling is wrong on the names)

[panache]

How can TN all of a sudden have a beef with Tim Miller after she called him saying she basically didn't trust Misty, and all that? Why does it seem that Ron and TN are now backing Misty?

Backing Misty, or a collabrative effort to throw Misty under the bus?

moo

[panache]

Fair enough, but like I said, even your link an anti DP site updated after the ruling by SCOTUS

This was a huge topic of discussion in the Dyleski trial, because he was 'almost' 18 when he murdered Pam Vitale. (sorry if the spelling is wrong on the names)

I recall that, but Fla. seems to be a state that marches to its own beat.

just my opinion

[jimbob]

Ron is spinning a web of lies, imo.

Agreed , and they are unravelling quick.

[panache]

So if Ron suspects Misty, or someone she may have been having sex with, why did he try to point to Crystals side of the family?

Didn't Ron's first atty. do that also?

[Tracian]

I recall that, but Fla. seems to be a state that marches to its own beat.

just my opinion



NO state can go against the Supreme Court; even the link you provided states that now it is illegal to execute those that commited crimes under the age of 18.

[msgatorslayer]

omg I can not even think about that case way to sad the first time:crying: and in the Van Dame case the garage door was open wasn't it..

I'm bringing up other cases to show that LE isn't always right, at first.

It is MOO that they shouldn't close their minds to fast to one scenerio or another. They should investigate all avenues.

In Haleigh's case, I believe alot of the mud slinging and family drama has complicated this case. Misty's lies are not helping. I'm not discounting that a stranger could have came in and took her. I'm just not ready to do that, yet.

[willow]

All I have to say is if Ron knows where she is and he has kept quiet because of what he was involved in and what may happen to him if his life is exposed, all I have to say is he frys right along with the rest of the perps, if there are any- If she was sold.......:mad: If she was taken because of Rons bad choices- I really just dont know whats worse- but why is Ron asking about 35k? I believe Tim Miller-

jmo

I also beleive Tim Miller and you may have already noticed but the $35,000.00 Ron is wanting is the same amount as the reward money for Haleigh.

[willow]

Tim is obviously working with Marc NeJames and getting the $35T wouldn't be a problem if it secured HaLeigh's release. Why fool around trying to get Misty to talk if Ron knows who has her?



I understood that Tim Miller said he did not have that cash himself, but he had friends and that they could come up with the $35,000.00 TODAY.

So, I take it that TM is only waiting on the word from Ron and then TM would get the money immediately. I could be wrong but that is how I understood it to mean.

[titanfan217]

I think Marie has regrets about her own life and is trying to make Crystal take responsibility for herself and her children. I believe you are correct in saying Marie is the driving force behind Crystal. I don't always agree with the way Marie has handled things, but there is no question she's trying to get Crystal to straighten out her life.

I thought she was so smart to get Crystal out from under Picazio's influence and to move the HaLeighbug center to the farm, but I question her aligning herself with the Croslins. Certainly no good can come of that.

These people and their lifestyles just make me shudder...this is exactly what we don't want for our own children.

How is she aligning herself with the Croslins?

[msgatorslayer]

I also beleive Tim Miller and you may have already noticed but the $35,000.00 Ron is wanting is the same amount as the reward money for Haleigh.

I didn't know it was the same amount. I thought I seen on NG the other night that the amount was in the high 20k's. Are there 2 seperate reward amounts that equal up to 35k? Or am I totally mistaken and the amount I seen was in the high 30k's? TIA

[willow]

LOL, I have read that several times and still am not understanding what is being said. I think I have to hear it and not read it, or maybe I need more coffee....:confused:

Is the father in law saying that Tim told Ron that he needs 35,000 to fund the search? I am so confused.

I understood it to mean that Ron needs $35,000.00 to bring Haleigh home.

[jimbob]

I understood that Tim Miller said he did not have that cash himself, but he had friends and that they could come up with the $35,000.00 TODAY.

So, I take it that TM is only waiting on the word from Ron and then TM would get the money immediately. I could be wrong but that is how I understood it to mean.

I dont think TM actually swallowed that story Willow , he does say he could put the money together and even give what he can but toward the end he says words to the effect it would mean "we dont know $h1t"

[aproudmom]

I'm bringing up other cases to show that LE isn't always right, at first.

It is MOO that they shouldn't close their minds to fast to one scenerio or another. They should investigate all avenues.

In Haleigh's case, I believe alot of the mud slinging and family drama has complicated this case. Misty's lies are not helping. I'm not discounting that a stranger could have came in and took her. I'm just not ready to do that, yet.

oh gator NP I just meant I could not watch it that case got to me way to much I knew what you were saying...and gator your opinion is how you feel I said yesterday I pray no one in the family including Misty did anything wrong it seems all these cases lately it is the parents and it seems so hard to imagine why...so I RESPECT your opinion and your a good poster so I will forgive you...lol..J/K I still do not know what she is not telling or what the problem is does she not remember? was she not there? is she afraid of someone? we do not know so I do not argue over others opinions everyone has that right and they should be respected what I do not like is bringing up stupid crap that is just asking for trouble on a thread...JMO

[HouseOfClark]

I'm bringing up other cases to show that LE isn't always right, at first.

It is MOO that they shouldn't close their minds to fast to one scenerio or another. They should investigate all avenues.

In Haleigh's case, I believe alot of the mud slinging and family drama has complicated this case. Misty's lies are not helping. I'm not discounting that a stranger could have came in and took her. I'm just not ready to do that, yet.

I understand what you're saying, but LE's work is only as good as the information provided to them.

In Jessica's case, Couey was not supposed to be in the neighborhood so the SOP of questioning all registered sex offenders in the area was moot.

LE was quick to dismiss Haleigh wandering out on her own but that was based on what the family told them. I would never discount a child wandering off and as close as they live to water, an accidental drowning wouldn't and shouldn't be overlooked.

Again, they (LE) are working with information from those closest in proximity to Haleigh at the time she disappeared. If that information is no good (lies) then what are they supposed to do? I don't discount the SO (registered or otherwise) but if they can't get the truth out of the one(s) who were there, where does that lead them?

I think the family dynamics here had been going on long before probably Haleigh and Jr. were born and if the police can't work around mud slinging, they should find new careers. It's nothing new.

JMO

ETA: Thanks for the links to the Lunsford case! I've saved them, it has been so long ago and yet it seems like just yesterday.

[Texas48]

I hope Nancy asks about the back child support. That very well could be a motive. I also hope Nancy finds out if either Crystal or Chad have alibis that night,.


I dont believe NG will ever give Crystal...*I'm sorry*.....IMO...
I feel sure NG knows Crystal's history...all of it including the back child support and I also feel sure NG can name cases where Child Support was a motive for ...Missing Children...so...I would welcome NG to interview Crystal...again.
JMO

[CFMom]

I am not buying that Ron is claiming he can buy Haleigh back for 35000. I think the FIL told Tim this on a voice message and I dont trust the FIL myself.

[Viva4Haleigh]

Did Ron say the statement about the $35,000 recently?? If so, what in the world would cause him to say that? It smacks of duplicity and lying and his knowing where she is all along. Unless there is another reason he said that, and I am missing the point. Between Misty lying all the time and changing her stories and Ron saying he will have her home if they just give him the right amt. of money, I say they are both guilty of what happened to her and LE should lock them both up post haste. :cursing: I also wish NG had known that when she had him on recently 'cause if she did, all guns would be blazing at him.

Does anyone know the name of the female investigator working this case?

[CFMom]

I dont believe NG will ever give Crystal...*I'm sorry*.....IMO...
I feel sure NG knows Crystal's history...all of it including the back child support and I also feel sure NG can name cases where Child Support was a motive for ...Missing Children...so...I would welcome NG to interview Crystal...again.
JMO

I still pray this wasnt a parental abduction/murder.

[msgatorslayer]

oh gator NP I just meant I could not watch it that case got to me way to much I knew what you were saying...and gator your opinion is how you feel I said yesterday I pray no one in the family including Misty did anything wrong it seems all these cases lately it is the parents and it seems so hard to imagine why...so I RESPECT your opinion and your a good poster so I will forgive you...lol..J/K I still do not know what she is not telling or what the problem is does she not remember? was she not there? is she afraid of someone? we do not know so I do not argue over others opinions everyone has that right and they should be respected what I do not like is bringing up stupid crap that is just asking for trouble on a thread...JMO

:smile: When I think that she wasn't there, I'm led to wonder why nobody has came forward to say as such. Could she have been alone and away from the house? Why would she leave 2 children at home to go somewhere all alone? It's all very confusing. Nobody has surfaced to say they were with her and she wasn't at home.

I can't think of anything else she could be hiding. I don't think she harmed Haleigh in a fit of rage because I don't think she could have gotten rid of the body on her own. She had no transportation.

[titanfan217]

Excellent-

Well, TM has tape of TN saying she Misty isn't talking to Ronald and making secret calls- But then, now TN is not wanting anything to do with TM, and Misty is calling him a liar, and he has all these recordings or voicemails, and they want to play games with Tim Miller? Whoa-

Then we have Ronald saying if he had 35k he could get her back, now what is that even supposed to mean? Was he going to pay someone off, and if so who, and if he even has an idea of who to give 35k to, to get her back, why has he not told police so they could swoop in and get the perp? Or was it going to fund a adventure for him to travel out of state with Misty to go look for her, It does not make any sense-

jmo

If Ron-Misty have any idea that HaLeigh is alive and could be returned with $35,000, then why would they even suggest a search near a plastic rose?

I don't know when all this conversation supposedly took place, but according to TJH, Tim Miller told him that he (Tim) had not spoken to the Cummins in days.

And speaking of not talking, I didn't think Ron and his in-laws were speaking either.

My opinion is either Ron-Misty or Hank Sr is wanting $35,000 and it has little to do with HaLeigh. I'll let everyone decide who.

[CFMom]

:smile: When I think that she wasn't there, I'm led to wonder why nobody has came forward to say as such. Could she have been alone and away from the house? Why would she leave 2 children at home to go somewhere all alone? It's all very confusing. Nobody has surfaced to say they were with her and she wasn't at home.

I can't think of anything else she could be hiding. I don't think she harmed Haleigh in a fit of rage because I don't think she could have gotten rid of the body on her own. She had no transportation.

If she was thrown in the river , transportation wouldnt be needed.

[Diamond1]

I dont believe NG will ever give Crystal...*I'm sorry*.....IMO...
I feel sure NG knows Crystal's history...all of it including the back child support and I also feel sure NG can name cases where Child Support was a motive for ...Missing Children...so...I would welcome NG to interview Crystal...again.
JMO


NG is focused on Misty. She won't go with your child support theory since there is nothing to support it.
MO

[CFMom]

Actually CFM we don't know that at all. Please try to remember: The wheels of justice, they turn very slowly. Sometimes it takes up to ten yrs even more to make arrests in murder cases. LE is all over Misty and Ronald. They DO understand exactly what happened.
And it's not even close to what Ronald or Misty have said. People are not stupid, but those who have backgrounds in LE know the deal: Give them time. Don't listen to all the circus sideshow. Concentrate on the facts released so far. What we do know.
And that, is that no abduction happened. There is a missing child, sure, but she is most likely dead, could have even been dead before RC went to work that night. The bed was not slept in.
They tore out the wall. Her pink shirt was found. She is out there in the elements, that is what I think and I still believe this is a Caylee copy cat case, MC & RC were just stupid enough to think they could do it better. Get the press the free media, free trips to NY, free rent, no one is working still. They are following in the footsteps of the Anthony's and others, like the McCanns IMO and they are failing miserbly. The whole family.
And that does NOT include for me, the Bio Mother whom I feel had nothing to do with this. This child, didn't go "missing" or dead, on her watch. It was on RC and MC watch. Period end of story and they have not been ruled out.

Just please, give LE time. All comes out clean in the wash. LE isn't going to drop this case, it's not a cold case, it's activily being worked, and NOT by STAUBS or PADILLA no matter how hard they chase that dollar and ambulance.

Bugged

Casey killed because she wanted to party...what reason would Ron have to kill haleigh and keep JR? Why not kill both and say someone stole them both? I disagree..I see no motive for Ron to be involved. I also do NOT see where LE is focusing on Ron..Misty yes..Ron no. I wouldnt be shocked if Ron is guilty..but so far I have seen no evidence of such.

[msgatorslayer]

If she was thrown in the river , transportation wouldnt be needed.

Scent dogs tracked her scent through the neighborhood. Was her scent tracked to the river and did divers search? I don't remember.

[aproudmom]

I hope Nancy asks about the back child support. That very well could be a motive. I also hope Nancy finds out if either Crystal or Chad have alibis that night,.

IIRC she has asked her that question along time ago..I am sure she will be asking her how she feels about Misty failing 4 polys...and I would hope LE know just were everyone was that night..since they have cleared RC and CS I am sorry I just do not see CS sneaking in an stealing her own kid and hiding her for 6 months over Misty sleeping 3 feet away from her and she is suddenly is gone...JMO

[titanfan217]

All I have to say, is if they went and picked up Mistys brother and his wife after Mistys tapes were released blaming him, they should go pick up Ron and question him about his theory Misty was having sex with someone and Haleigh was going to tell, and they should also ask him about the 35k- I hope they send a car to pick him real soon-

jmo

I was thinking that last night. However, wasn't RC and his attorney suppose to meet with LE yesterday? It would surprise me if LE didn't know about this already. Surely TM went to them with it.

[CFMom]

Scent dogs tracked her scent through the neighborhood. Was her scent tracked to the river and did divers search? I don't remember.

Scent dogs sniffed out a dumpster to and she wasnt in it. If she was carried to the river would her scent be on the ground?

[AmndaRcknwth]

I understand what you're saying, but LE's work is only as good as the information provided to them.

In Jessica's case, Couey was not supposed to be in the neighborhood so the SOP of questioning all registered sex offenders in the area was moot.

LE was quick to dismiss Haleigh wandering out on her own but that was based on what the family told them. I would never discount a child wandering off and as close as they live to water, an accidental drowning wouldn't and shouldn't be overlooked.

Again, they (LE) are working with information from those closest in proximity to Haleigh at the time she disappeared. If that information is no good (lies) then what are they supposed to do? I don't discount the SO (registered or otherwise) but if they can't get the truth out of the one(s) who were there, where does that lead them?

I think the family dynamics here had been going on long before probably Haleigh and Jr. were born and if the police can't work around mud slinging, they should find new careers. It's nothing new.

JMO

ETA: Thanks for the links to the Lunsford case! I've saved them, it has been so long ago and yet it seems like just yesterday.

I'll never forget the Lunsford case.
I saved a pb of photos of Jessica's case.
Click my profile for the link.




I am just plain stunned by the 35K.

Not sure what's going on, but I will take Tim Miller's word over Ron's or Hank's any day of the century.

Do the Cummings/Croslins actually think anyone will?
Check his rep against their reps.

[CFMom]

IIRC she has asked her that question along time ago..I am sure she will be asking her how she feels about Misty failing 4 polys...and I would hope LE know just were everyone was that night..since they have cleared RC and CS I am sorry I just do not see CS sneaking in an stealing her own kid and hiding her for 6 months over Misty sleeping 3 feet away from her and she is suddenly is gone...JMO

Ron was at work...where was Chad and Crystal..thats what I'd love to know.

[EMAA]

If she was thrown in the river , transportation wouldnt be needed.

And if in fact she were thrown into the river, there are inhabitants there that could and would take care of any evidence. imo

or she could have been removed by boat.

[CFMom]

And if in fact she were thrown into the river, there are inhabitants there that could and would take care of any evidence. imo

or she could have been removed by boat.

Very true.

[Viva4Haleigh]

If Ron-Misty have any idea that HaLeigh is alive and could be returned with $35,000, then why would they even suggest a search near a plastic rose?

I don't know when all this conversation supposedly took place, but according to TJH, Tim Miller told him that he (Tim) had not spoken to the Cummins in days.

And speaking of not talking, I didn't think Ron and his in-laws were speaking either.

My opinion is either Ron-Misty or Hank Sr is wanting $35,000 and it has little to do with HaLeigh. I'll let everyone decide who.

Oh yes, that pesky rose! Ron drove them to that, under Mistys guidance for sure-

So, yeah whats up with Ronald wanting 35k? And honestly, I think he on something, I dont know what, but he seemed to be under the influence of something when he was on NG, I almost cant even take this 35 k seriously, its like something a drunk person would just spout out - it makes no sense at all- I mean the only thing that makes sense is that he would have wanted the money to pay someone to get her back, like he owed some debt? But if thats the case, then he has known where this child is all along or a general idea who had her, and he stopped talking to the LE, he got married, I mean could anyone even do that knowing their child was alive but could be retrieved by a dollar amount, and just not told LE?

JMO

[msgatorslayer]

I understand what you're saying, but LE's work is only as good as the information provided to them.

In Jessica's case, Couey was not supposed to be in the neighborhood so the SOP of questioning all registered sex offenders in the area was moot.

LE was quick to dismiss Haleigh wandering out on her own but that was based on what the family told them. I would never discount a child wandering off and as close as they live to water, an accidental drowning wouldn't and shouldn't be overlooked.

Again, they (LE) are working with information from those closest in proximity to Haleigh at the time she disappeared. If that information is no good (lies) then what are they supposed to do? I don't discount the SO (registered or otherwise) but if they can't get the truth out of the one(s) who were there, where does that lead them?

I think the family dynamics here had been going on long before probably Haleigh and Jr. were born and if the police can't work around mud slinging, they should find new careers. It's nothing new.

JMO

ETA: Thanks for the links to the Lunsford case! I've saved them, it has been so long ago and yet it seems like just yesterday.

:thumbup: After 6 months, I know LE doesn't like to say it, but the case is pretty much a "Cold Case". The crucial first days of the case are long gone. If investigators are no closer to solving it, it may be time for a fresh set of eyes. JMO

I worry this case is going to turn out like the Trenton Duckett case.

[titanfan217]

NG is focused on Misty. She won't go with your child support theory since there is nothing to support it.
MO

If she does, I'm turning her off.

[Tracian]

I'll never forget the Lunsford case.
I saved a pb of photos of Jessica's case.
Click my profile for the link.




I am just plain stunned by the 35K.

Not sure what's going on, but I will take Tim Miller's word over Ron's or Hank's any day of the century.

Do the Cummings/Croslins actually think anyone will?
Check his rep against their reps.



I have no doubt that Hank called Tim and made that statement. I do doubt that Ron called Hank and told him that for two simple reasons:

1. Hank's son has charges pending against Ron, Hank says he will testify for his son; why would Ron call him under such circumstances?

2. Unless Florida is a whole lot different, normally part of the bail requirements is to stay way and have no contact with alleged victims or witnesses.

[aproudmom]

Casey killed because she wanted to party...what reason would Ron have to kill haleigh and keep JR? Why not kill both and say someone stole them both? I disagree..I see no motive for Ron to be involved. I also do NOT see where LE is focusing on Ron..Misty yes..Ron no. I wouldnt be shocked if Ron is guilty..but so far I have seen no evidence of such.

and why take Haleigh and not Jr also if child support is a motive? that is one sided I have seen NO evidence CS took her own daughter to get out of paying support..I am sorry I do not think she had anything to do with it and bet if she was ask to take 20 LDT she would...but that is MO...

Casey killed Caylee out of Jealousy IMO....

[jimbob]

Oh yes, that pesky rose! Ron drove them to that, under Mistys guidance for sure-

So, yeah whats up with Ronald wanting 35k? And honestly, I think he on something, I dont know what, but he seemed to be under the influence of something when he was on NG, I almost cant even take this 35 k seriously, its like something a drunk person would just spout out - it makes no sense at all- I mean the only thing that makes sense is that he would have wanted the money to pay someone to get her back, like he owed some debt? But if thats the case, then he has known where this child is all along or a general idea who had her, and he stopped talking to the LE, he got married, I mean could anyone even do that knowing their child was alive but could be retrieved by a dollar amount, and just not told LE?

JMO

I think there is every chance RC knew all along , in the earliest video where he pretends to weep and crashes to his knees etc he first says " i know somebody took my child" , and goes on to say "somebody who will get wasted when this is all over"

[AmndaRcknwth]

Scent dogs tracked her scent through the neighborhood. Was her scent tracked to the river and did divers search? I don't remember.

Yes, right at the beginning they did track her there and divers searched. I always wondered about weights and a boat though. The river is huge.

The dumpster hits will always bug me... was Haleigh put there temporarily until someone could retrieve her?

Then again, most everything bugs me about this case.

Also, as far as the Tim Miller involvement and the criticism of him telling case stuff to the media...
think back... you usually don't hear him say ANYTHING to criticize the victim family, even if he thinks they're up to their eyeballs in the disappearance.

In this one, the Cummings/Croslins/associates were telling things and brought accusations first.

Also-- there is SO MUCH we don't know. Leaking out in tiny drops though.

[Pat]

How is she aligning herself with the Croslins?

I don't know if you read blogs, twitters or other message boards...I rarely do, but I saw the message from Marie to the Croslins, sympathising with them, etc. What struck me most, and made me sad, was her grammar, spelling and sentence structure. I'm sure she has regrets over Crystal's early years and wants her grandchildren to have a better start in life.

That's my opinion, for what its worth.

[CFMom]

And that's great. And I won't bash you for it. But I will say, that the facts show, it IS a parental murder/abduction and LE has stated so. IOW they stated no abdcution occurred. We are not left with much else.
Something happened in that trailer. Someone lost their temper. Someone late for work maybe. Someone who is quick to anger. Someone who feels women are expendable. Which is why Jr is safe. He's a male.

I think some time behind bars not in protective custody would make little miss Misty, sing like a little ugly duckling. I really do. RC is another story. He will blame it all on Misty. I say arrest them both and let the games begin. I'm waiting.

I do believe they will arrest both of them. A Child is gone. LE doesn't take these cases lightly and they have the best working on the case, including TM and all his volunteers searching the elements for her body. If anyone at this point thinks that TES and the search this weekend was for a live child, please have your head examined, lol. I mean this in the nicest way, and I don't pray so for me the facts tell a whole different story. She wet the bed, maybe one time too many. Or, she never even made it to bed, after school that day, I believe something happened to her.

I'm so sorry but I don't believe a moment of anything RC has said on tape. On any tape. And I'm sure that LE feels the same. Keep your enemies close. Tap those phones. It won't be long. It seems like forever in these cases at times. LE will do right by Haliegh.
They did not by Madeleiene, but hopefully one day they will.

Bugged

Link me up with where LE found evidence that something happen in that trailer..cuz I am disagreeing with you. So far all I see is opinion and rumors..no facts what so ever. Before i will condemn a man who has lost his daughter I will wait for evidence. I'm not saying he isnt guilty..I'm saying we have no way of knowing. I dont feel just because I have an opinion I should slander a father, but that is just me. I will continue to question all involved until the truth is known. I just wont state that a certain person will go to jail because I simply do not know that to be true.

[Viva4Haleigh]

If she does, I'm turning her off.

She wont, Nancy is concerned with Misty and her failed polygraphs- if she for some reason does, she needs to get off the air waves-

jmo

[willow]

Clear as a bell!!

Ron tells Tim, *if I had 35k I can bring Haleigh home!

Teresa says * Misty is on secret phone calls, she won't even talk to Ron*.

Tim has a *voice message from Ron's FIL*.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSrskatfcGQ

Thank you again for the link panache

[CFMom]

and why take Haleigh and not Jr also if child support is a motive? that is one sided I have seen NO evidence CS took her own daughter to get out of paying support..I am sorry I do not think she had anything to do with it and bet if she was ask to take 20 LDT she would...but that is MO...

Casey killed Caylee out of Jealousy IMO....

The door was propped open...perhaps they had planned to come back for JR..I simply do not kn ow. I am open to all and question all. Truthfully right now I am suspicious of Ron but I dont have proof so I will not label him a child killer. I do not think Crystal was involved but I still question it because again, I do not know.

[seeker]

And that's great. And I won't bash you for it. But I will say, that the facts show, it IS a parental murder/abduction and LE has stated so. IOW they stated no abdcution occurred. We are not left with much else.
Something happened in that trailer. Someone lost their temper. Someone late for work maybe. Someone who is quick to anger. Someone who feels women are expendable. Which is why Jr is safe. He's a male.

I think some time behind bars not in protective custody would make little miss Misty, sing like a little ugly duckling. I really do. RC is another story. He will blame it all on Misty. I say arrest them both and let the games begin. I'm waiting.

I do believe they will arrest both of them. A Child is gone. LE doesn't take these cases lightly and they have the best working on the case, including TM and all his volunteers searching the elements for her body. If anyone at this point thinks that TES and the search this weekend was for a live child, please have your head examined, lol. I mean this in the nicest way, and I don't pray so for me the facts tell a whole different story. She wet the bed, maybe one time too many. Or, she never even made it to bed, after school that day, I believe something happened to her.

I'm so sorry but I don't believe a moment of anything RC has said on tape. On any tape. And I'm sure that LE feels the same. Keep your enemies close. Tap those phones. It won't be long. It seems like forever in these cases at times. LE will do right by Haliegh.
They did not by Madeleiene, but hopefully one day they will.

Bugged

Ron and Misty know. Most people know they know. Especially LE of all stripes. What is sad for me is when liars cause good people to become caught up in the Liars's tangled webs and then doubt what their own senses, intelligence, and intuition are telling them

Not to mention: FACTS.

My opinion

[Diamond1]

I don't know if you read blogs, twitters or other message boards...I rarely do, but I saw the message from Marie to the Croslins, sympathising with them, etc. What struck me most, and made me sad, was her grammar, spelling and sentence structure. I'm sure she has regrets over Crystal's early years and wants her grandchildren to have a better start in life.

That's my opinion, for what its worth.

There is not a lot that can be typed in one block on twitter. Grammer and sentence structure is not important for tweets.

[panache]

Yikes...I didn't have a chance to listen to Simon's Blog Radio with TJ yesterday. But I just listened, and I am convinced that TN, RC and Mrs. Sykes are in together to throw Misty to the wolves. According to Tim, he overheard Mrs. Sykes go into the trailer if tell the B----h that she was (Misty) going to take that LDT. etc. etc. So, Misty's later story that Tim wouldn't search if she refused the test is a lot of hocus pokus. AS was threatening Misty that she wouldn't be under *her roof* if she refused. Misty's back was forced up against the wall.

I urge you all to relisten to that portion of the broadcast. There is a plot afloat here.

moo

[panache]

Does anyone know the name of the female investigator working this case?

Peggy Cone, is that who you mean? Or the first LE who answered the 911 call? I have forgotten her name, but she too has been mentioned as replacing Peggy.

moo

[AmndaRcknwth]

Ron and Misty know. Most people know they know. Especially LE of all stripes. What is sad for me is when liars cause good people to become caught up in the Liars's tangled webs and then doubt what their own senses, intelligence, and intuition are telling them

Not to mention: FACTS.

My opinion

I understand that a little. The 'why they let the emotion get in the way of facts'.
Heart leads head.
We/they saw a grieving father. No one was against him for the first few days and then most people said "oh he!! no"

[Viva4Haleigh]

Peggy Cone, is that who you mean? Or the first LE who answered the 911 call? I have forgotten her name, but she too has been mentioned as replacing Peggy.

moo

Thats it, thanks!

[CFMom]

TO ALL POSTERS:

We are all here for 3 reasons. Haleigh first and foremost...Truth second and last but not least ..Justice. I know we all have opinions and sometimes we disagree and that is fine. This is what makes for a great discussion board. I just want to say I really appreciate each and every one of you. Even the ones who have ignored me. You are each a Godsend to the missing and murdered. Its because people like you listen that keeps these people/children in the media. I thank you all for allowing me to be a part of this dysfunctional family we call Insessions.

I love you all and enjoy posting with you. I hope the disagreements dont go any further than the next post. Each of us count. Each of make a difference. Each opinion is as good as the next. When this is over and truth speaks out loud..let us all as a family of caring people..rejoice together.

:wub::wub: to each and every one of you. To the lurkers with little to say. To the link kings and queens who bring news as it happens, to those who post daily...love to you all :wub:

[DramaQueen]

hey guys just popping in, alot going on the the past couple of days, thank you God for Nancy Grace getting back on the subject of Haleigh's disappearance, thank you Tim Miller, for all you have done and what you have planned in the future to help find Haleigh, and thank you TJ Hart, who has been on this case since the beginning and never let Haleigh's name fade into the woodwork. I am going to start calling NG "Amazing" Grace, LOL. Can't wait to see the show tonite. Things IMO are unfolding fast and we will know the truth soon.

[titanfan217]

I don't know if you read blogs, twitters or other message boards...I rarely do, but I saw the message from Marie to the Croslins, sympathising with them, etc. What struck me most, and made me sad, was her grammar, spelling and sentence structure. I'm sure she has regrets over Crystal's early years and wants her grandchildren to have a better start in life.

That's my opinion, for what its worth.

Thanks. I hadn't seen that, at least it didn't make any impression with me.

[seeker]

I don't know if you read blogs, twitters or other message boards...I rarely do, but I saw the message from Marie to the Croslins, sympathising with them, etc. What struck me most, and made me sad, was her grammar, spelling and sentence structure. I'm sure she has regrets over Crystal's early years and wants her grandchildren to have a better start in life.

That's my opinion, for what its worth.

Marie Griffis and Crystal Sheffield are kindhearted, forgiving people, made clear by their words and actions. They are also unusually honest about their own shortcomings. I really respect that. I makes me trust them.

When it came time to share their concerns about Ron's bad temper, they did. I, as many, believe that domestic abuse at the hands of Ronald Cummings IS THE Crime Against Haleigh. Compounded by the cover-up of his crime by at least three females, after the fact. Another crime in itself. It is all unraveling now, and in no way do I believe that this is a cold case.

Slowly, methodically, and with the help of the bumbling, lying Cummings clan, this will be over soon. This is what I believe.

What loving concerned parent and grandparent would not fight to the end to have the truth revealed in order to find out what happened to their precious little girl?

My strong feelings and thoughts, and opinions.

[msgatorslayer]

Scent dogs sniffed out a dumpster to and she wasnt in it. If she was carried to the river would her scent be on the ground?

Thanks. I can discount the tracking dogs, then.

I've always iffy when it comes to dogs in cases. Not sure how reliable they are cause I've seen errors.

From what I've read, the scent of a person can be tracked while they are being driven in a car, so, yeah, if she was carried, in theory, the dogs should be able to track it.

[Scampi]

Red By Me
and..who are these ppl scampi..?
I do not appreciate your use of the word *appalling* to describe posters that DO NOT AGREE with you...
There has NOT been one poster I have seen or read saying anything bad about TM or his organization.....what some didnt agree with was the way the info was released..thats all.....and that is their right and their opinion....but..for you to use the word..*appalling* in pointing out these posters is a disgrace and uncalled for...
you make sure you point out to me where it says in the TOS at IS that ALL posters MUST agree with *scampi*........and if NOT..then you consider yourself..*appalling*. :cursing:

Try again, I said the criticism of Tim Miller is what I found appalling and I still do. This man has devoted his entire life to helping people, any criticism of him is beyond the pale to me.

IMO

:punch:

[Tracian]

Yikes...I didn't have a chance to listen to Simon's Blog Radio with TJ yesterday. But I just listened, and I am convinced that TN, RC and Mrs. Sykes are in together to throw Misty to the wolves. According to Tim, he overheard Mrs. Sykes go into the trailer if tell the B----h that she was (Misty) going to take that LDT. etc. etc. So, Misty's later story that Tim wouldn't search if she refused the test is a lot of hocus pokus. AS was threatening Misty that she wouldn't be under *her roof* if she refused. Misty's back was forced up against the wall.

I urge you all to relisten to that portion of the broadcast. There is a plot afloat here.

moo



Amazing. Last week so many posters were demanding to know why AS is allowing Misty to stay with her, due to the issues of her accounts of that last night; saying AS should kick her out or force her to tell the truth.

Now that we hear that AS did threaten to kick her out if she does not do something to help find Haleigh, it gets twisted into 'throwing Misty under the bus'

[seeker]

The door was propped open...perhaps they had planned to come back for JR..I simply do not kn ow. I am open to all and question all. Truthfully right now I am suspicious of Ron but I dont have proof so I will not label him a child killer. I do not think Crystal was involved but I still question it because again, I do not know.

Anyone can prop a door open. That's my thinking.

[CFMom]

Anyone can prop a door open. That's my thinking.



Very true. Thats why I am questioning all.

[Viva4Haleigh]

Amazing. Last week so many posters were demanding to know why AS is allowing Misty to stay with her, due to the issues of her accounts of that last night; saying AS should kick her out or force her to tell the truth.

Now that we hear that AS did threaten to kick her out if she does not do something to help find Haleigh, it gets twisted into 'throwing Misty under the bus'

So no chance on earth Annettes rant wasn't staged?

I would actually bet Ron is totally furious at TN for ever getting TM back on the scene in the first place- IF they were so into this for Haleigh, they never would have taken Misty in, in the first place, they should have turned their backs on her and lets her run wild-

This isn't some group project to get the truth out of Misty, jeez, Ron has guns, why no load one up and put it to her head and get it out of her one way or another? Haleigh is missing, this isn't the time to embrace the suspect-

jmo

[AmndaRcknwth]

Try again, I said the criticism of Tim Miller is what I found appalling and I still do. This man has devoted his entire life to helping people, any criticism of him is beyond the pale to me.

IMO

:punch:

Amen.
The truth has been hidden too long. VERY glad Tim got back involved and very glad we know about it.

FOR HALEIGH'S SAKE not for Ron's sake, or Crystal's sake. FOR HALEIGH.

[CFMom]

So no chance on earth Annettes rant wasn't staged?

I would actually bet Ron is totally furious for TN for ever getting TM back on the scene in the first place- IF they were so into this for Haleigh, they never would have taken Misty in, in the first place, they should have turned their backs on her and lets her run wild-

This isn't some group project to get the truth out of Misty, jeez, Ron has guns, why no load one up and put it to her head and get it out of her one way or another? Haleigh is missing, this isn't the time to embrace the suspect-

jmo

Wow at the bolded part. I cant believe you feel he should use violence. He can NOT make her talk. If he used a gun on her you'd be the first on this board to say how right you was about his abuse. Just wow.

[Viva4Haleigh]

Wow at the bolded part. I cant believe you feel he should use violence. He can NOT make her talk. If he used a gun on her you'd be the first on this board to say how right you was about his abuse. Just wow.

Whatever-

Just like all the posts from the pro Ron group who state that Misty is probably more fearful of what Ron will do to her if he finds out the truth- gee what could that possibly mean?.:rolleyes:

[panache]

Amazing. Last week so many posters were demanding to know why AS is allowing Misty to stay with her, due to the issues of her accounts of that last night; saying AS should kick her out or force her to tell the truth.

Now that we hear that AS did threaten to kick her out if she does not do something to help find Haleigh, it gets twisted into 'throwing Misty under the bus'

Its true, I was one. That being said, suddenly to threaten Misty to do these tests, to speak of a rose at a search site, to accuse TM of lying to her, all after 6 mos. of saying what a wonderful mother she was to Haleigh and Junior? Sorry for the run on sentence, but the events of the last few weeks since Misty's family showed up to rescue her, sounds to me that Misty is being thrown under the bus to protect someone. I believe those *secret phone calls* Teresa Neves is so distressed about was Misty pleading with her family to come and get her.

moo

[Tracian]

So no chance on earth Annettes rant wasn't staged?

I would actually bet Ron is totally furious at TN for ever getting TM back on the scene in the first place- IF they were so into this for Haleigh, they never would have taken Misty in, in the first place, they should have turned their backs on her and lets her run wild-

This isn't some group project to get the truth out of Misty, jeez, Ron has guns, why no load one up and put it to her head and get it out of her one way or another? Haleigh is missing, this isn't the time to embrace the suspect-

jmo



Doubt it was staged, she did take the tests.

I don't think that Ron is furious at all about Tim being back.

You would be the first to scream if you heard that Ron put a gun to Misty's head....how long did you all rant about him wanting to kill the person that took Haleigh?

[CFMom]

Whatever-

Just like all the posts from the pro Ron group who state that Misty is probably more fearful of what Ron will do to her if he finds out the truth- gee what could that possibly mean?.:rolleyes:

I never said Misty was fearful of Ron. I dont believe she is personally. I just cant believe you feel violence is the answer. i hope you never post on Rons temper again.

[giraffe]

PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- The mother of missing child Haleigh Cummings said she supports the involvement of Equusearch in the search for her daughter and has made a donation to the Texas-based volunteer search group.

Crystal Sheffield said she and her family made the donation in Haleigh's name and encourage others to do the same.

"I still wake up every morning wondering if someone will call and tell me that Haleigh has been found and that she wants to see me. All I want is Haleigh back home. I would like to thank Tim Miller for trying to help find my daughter," Sheffield said in a press release.

http://www.wesh.com/news/20686706/detail.html

[CFMom]

Doubt it was staged, she did take the tests.

I don't think that Ron is furious at all about Tim being back.

You would be the first to scream if you heard that Ron put a gun to Misty's head....how long did you all rant about him wanting to kill the person that took Haleigh?

I know! I have read so many posts about Rons abuse to Misty and now for someone to post this..and I believe this is the second poster to say this...is unbelievable.This case sure brings out the worse in some. Pot meet kettle.

[willow]

Try again, I said the criticism of Tim Miller is what I found appalling and I still do. This man has devoted his entire life to helping people, any criticism of him is beyond the pale to me.

IMO

:punch:

I understood what you meant Scampi. I really didn't see what the problem was.

I have to leave for awhile so I HOPE we have good news when I get back.

[CFMom]

Didn't he threaten to do that when he was with Cobra at Memaws and Cobra called LE for a wellness check? I've no doubt this will be followed by a chorus of how awful Cobra is but now that TM heard the exact words come out of Ronald's mouth, it matters not what anyone thinks of Cobra. Imo, Ron said it, both times.

MO

Tim heard Ron say he'd put a gun to Mistys mouth? Do you have a link? I saw where Tim and Cobra both say that Ron said keep his enemies close but must have missed the gun part as I ddint trust anything this Cobra dude said since hes asking for donations.

ETA: never mind I recall it now. Good thing Ron didnt resort to violence.

[DramaQueen]

Try again, I said the criticism of Tim Miller is what I found appalling and I still do. This man has devoted his entire life to helping people, any criticism of him is beyond the pale to me.

IMO

:punch:


ITA w/U on that 100%.

[seeker]

I understand that a little. The 'why they let the emotion get in the way of facts'.
Heart leads head.
We/they saw a grieving father. No one was against him for the first few days and then most people said "oh he!! no"

Amanda, not to be disrespectful of you, but I did not see a grieving father. I have only seen a man who is trying desperately not to take the fall for his crime against his daughter.

Many, many people have doubted and disbelieved Ronald Cummings' story from the beginning. I wouldn't categorize that as being against someone (in this case, Ron). To me, it is believing what our senses and intelligence are telling us; or rather, what we ourselves interpret someone's words and actions to mean.

This is my impression of Ronald L. Cummings. I realize we all see differently.

These are my thoughts and opinions only.

[panache]

I know! I have read so many posts about Rons abuse to Misty and now for someone to post this..and I believe this is the second poster to say this...is unbelievable.This case sure brings out the worse in some. Pot meet kettle.

Didn't you hear Ron being the first one to use violence in this case? Shooting out back windows of patrol cars? Telling Cobra he would put a *pistol in Misty's mouth*. Seems to me Ron has no problem with using violence.

moo

[CFMom]

Didn't you hear Ron being the first one to use violence in this case? Shooting out back windows of patrol cars? Telling Cobra he would put a *pistol in Misty's mouth*. Seems to me Ron has no problem with using violence.

moo

Ron was speaking out of hurt and anger. I have said similar about my cheating ex but in no way would I ever ever do such a thing. Hes lost his daughter...the man is hurt. If it was my kid I'd probably say far worse. Doesnt mean he'd do it though. Just seeing a poster who has discussed Rons violence gainst women * no proof* I was shocked to see her say he should have crammed a gun in Mistys mouth. Why? Give some more to tear him a part for?

[aproudmom]

I think there is every chance RC knew all along , in the earliest video where he pretends to weep and crashes to his knees etc he first says " i know somebody took my child" , and goes on to say "somebody who will get wasted when this is all over"

he will be taking the trash out when the time comes..that was what caught my attention but he has been cleared as far as I know...but the TRASH comment stuck out to me like he was talking to someone but I read into things way to much at times....

[CFMom]

Didn't you hear Ron being the first one to use violence in this case? Shooting out back windows of patrol cars? Telling Cobra he would put a *pistol in Misty's mouth*. Seems to me Ron has no problem with using violence.

moo

Btw...'using violence' and speaking it are different. If speaking it was the same we'd all be jail.

[seeker]

It's been mentioned time and time again, by many people, that anyone that touches this case, comes out the worse for wear. It's toxic because the players are toxic. It's been speculated that is why msm has been so reluctant to touch it.

MO will

Hopefully, Grace, those with integrity, thick skin, and the ability to see through the bull will turn their sights on helping to bring to justice those responsible for The Crime Against Haleigh.

My strong hope and opinion.

[CFMom]

Links have been posted and it's as easy for you to find them as it is for me. Not playing the link game today.

Nice post above. Love to you too!

I see you didnt bother to read my whole post...but thats ok. I dont care.

[DramaQueen]

Amazing. Last week so many posters were demanding to know why AS is allowing Misty to stay with her, due to the issues of her accounts of that last night; saying AS should kick her out or force her to tell the truth.

Now that we hear that AS did threaten to kick her out if she does not do something to help find Haleigh, it gets twisted into 'throwing Misty under the bus'

If it was MY house and MY grandson, you better believe if they needed a roof for a while I would offer up, but with all that has been going on lately involving Misty, I would be the first to march in there and say talk or get out. They gave her the benefit of the doubt as long as they could, but there is no longer any mistaking the writing on the wall......and just for ther record, I DO NOT believe Ron had anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance, and I think by marrying Misty he was keeping her from taking off and thus preventing loosing probably the only person who could tell him what happened to his daughter. His stoicism, his neutral expression, and his answers are starting to make sense to me. This must have been very difficult for him, and add insult to injury by having to marry a woman who was not faithful to him. He had his reasons for doing what he did, even if its not the same way you or I would have done.

I don't think Misty was home that night, I think she was probably off with WBG, who is NOT about to open his mouth, Haleigh means beans to him, and I think the door was left open and someone came in and snatched Haleigh. I think Misty has a good idea who it was. I think she did do some staging of the scene, to cover up what happened, because there were some things she could only guess at since she was not even there.

[seeker]

Very true. Thats why I am questioning all.

I can really appreciate that, CFMom. In my world, questions are GOOD.

[emdragon]

Try again, I said the criticism of Tim Miller is what I found appalling and I still do. This man has devoted his entire life to helping people, any criticism of him is beyond the pale to me.

IMO

:punch:

Beyond the pale is your post.

Tim Miller is a man- simple as that. He has done great good and suffered great loss but he is not a saint,
he is a man. And as a man he makes mistakes and he can allow emotions to over ride his own common sense. And he doesn't get a free pass because of who he is.

[aproudmom]

Ron was speaking out of hurt and anger. I have said similar about my cheating ex but in no way would I ever ever do such a thing. Hes lost his daughter...the man is hurt. If it was my kid I'd probably say far worse. Doesnt mean he'd do it though. Just seeing a poster who has discussed Rons violence gainst women * no proof* I was shocked to see her say he should have crammed a gun in Mistys mouth. Why? Give some more to tear him a part for?

If someone touched or took my child I don't know what I would do to them...I would be the one going to prison...I think he does have a temper but alot of people do gosh I hope he does not stick guns down womens throat..and I am not sure I could keep my hands off Misty if I was CS she was under her watch I just don't know if I could deal with it I would want to take her out I know it sounds bad but man if something happened to one of my boys I would lose it

[Diamond1]

Beyond the pale is your post.

Tim Miller is a man- simple as that. He has done great good and suffered great loss but he is not a saint,
he is a man. And as a man he makes mistakes and he can allow emotions to over ride his own common sense. And he doesn't get a free pass because of who he is.


Tim Miller does not need a free pass. Tim Miller did not do anything wrong.

[Scampi]

Its true, I was one. That being said, suddenly to threaten Misty to do these tests, to speak of a rose at a search site, to accuse TM of lying to her, all after 6 mos. of saying what a wonderful mother she was to Haleigh and Junior? Sorry for the run on sentence, but the events of the last few weeks since Misty's family showed up to rescue her, sounds to me that Misty is being thrown under the bus to protect someone. I believe those *secret phone calls* Teresa Neves is so distressed about was Misty pleading with her family to come and get her.

moo

That's a good observation Pan, bet you're right.

[Lqqkout]

Just checking in and don't know if this has already been discussed..

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Mother-of-HaLeigh-Cummings-prnews-525809110.html?x=0&.v=1

[CFMom]

I did read it, it wasn't that long, lol.

As indicated in every one of my posts, these are mo's. If I'm wrong, so be it. I'm not going to spend hours trying to prove to anyone how right I am. It's not that important to me.

MO

If you read it I'm sure you seen where I ETA that I knew what you was talking about. But I guess being snarky was easier for you.

[CFMom]

Tim heard Ron say he'd put a gun to Mistys mouth? Do you have a link? I saw where Tim and Cobra both say that Ron said keep his enemies close but must have missed the gun part as I ddint trust anything this Cobra dude said since hes asking for donations.

ETA: never mind I recall it now. Good thing Ron didnt resort to violence.

Bringing my post forth for grace :rolleyes:

[CFMom]

Yep, missed your ETA. Didn't go back to see if maybe you added something later. Guilty as charged.

Was that "snarky" enough for ya?

MO

ETA :wub:

I dont get the ugliness toward a poster just because they dont share the same opinion. We are all adults and should be able to discuss without childish actions.

[emdragon]

Amazing. Last week so many posters were demanding to know why AS is allowing Misty to stay with her, due to the issues of her accounts of that last night; saying AS should kick her out or force her to tell the truth.

Now that we hear that AS did threaten to kick her out if she does not do something to help find Haleigh, it gets twisted into 'throwing Misty under the bus'

Twisted isn't even the right word for it. lol

Now it is that Ron killed Haleigh and the three women disposed of her for him. If this wasn't so outrageous it would be funny. Instead it is just sad and demented.

And falls far beyond the realms of logic or common sense. The more people involved in a lie the sooner that lie gets blown apart- someone ends up talking.

[seeker]

Its true, I was one. That being said, suddenly to threaten Misty to do these tests, to speak of a rose at a search site, to accuse TM of lying to her, all after 6 mos. of saying what a wonderful mother she was to Haleigh and Junior? Sorry for the run on sentence, but the events of the last few weeks since Misty's family showed up to rescue her, sounds to me that Misty is being thrown under the bus to protect someone. I believe those *secret phone calls* Teresa Neves is so distressed about was Misty pleading with her family to come and get her.

moo

I agree with you, Panache, regarding the phone calls that Misty is making, if indeed we have some grains of truth coming from Teresa Neves. There is usually truth to be found within any lie, I think.

I believe she called her family to come get her the night that Ron was arrested, and she was found out by GGM Sykes and Ron that evening. In the world of domestic abuse, Misty's actions make sense.

Misty may be complicit in the crime, but she is also a young, scared, pliable 17 -year- old, in the hands of quasi-master-manipulators. She hasn't lived long enough to understand their ways, even if she is also a manipulator, which she appears to be.

This is my very strong opinion and thoughts about this.

[5boxersmom]

If Misty and/or Ron did something to HaLeigh why did they report she was wearing a shirt that was later found in the laundry? Misty even told LE that was the shirt. :confused:

What was HaLeigh wearing?


Geez I wish I could figure this case out.

[CFMom]

This would be a great time to put to rest if Chad G. was or was not home when the call came in about Haleigh.
Of course the important questions are rarely asked...

MOO

I would love to know myself. Plenty of motive there. Perhaps the mother was jealous of the new gf being with her kids, or maybe it was the childsupport, or maybe the mother was pizzed the father had custody and thought if I cant have them neither can he..has happened before. Anything is possible.

I watched a video of Crystal and her mother and Crystal wouldnt talk. Her mom said she has nothing to say and I was like WTF..a chance to plead for her daughters return and she has NOTHING to say. Wow.

[CFMom]

If Misty and/or Ron did something to HaLeigh why did they report she was wearing a shirt that was later found in the laundry? Misty even told LE that was the shirt. :confused:

What was HaLeigh wearing?


Geez I wish I could figure this case out.

'They' didnt report it, Misty did. Ron was at work and wouldnt have known what she wore to bed.

[CFMom]

I agree with you, Panache, regarding the phone calls that Misty is making, if indeed we have some grains of truth coming from Teresa Neves. There is usually truth to be found within any lie, I think.

I believe she called her family to come get her the night that Ron was arrested, and she was found out by GGM Sykes and Ron that evening. In the world of domestic abuse, Misty's actions make sense.

Misty may be complicit in the crime, but she is also a young, scared, pliable 17 -year- old, in the hands of quasi-master-manipulators. She hasn't lived long enough to understand their ways, even if she is also a manipulator, which she appears to be.

This is my very strong opinion and thoughts about this.


Domestic abuse? Where?

[aproudmom]

Amen.
The truth has been hidden too long. VERY glad Tim got back involved and very glad we know about it.

FOR HALEIGH'S SAKE not for Ron's sake, or Crystal's sake FOR HALEIGH

my bolding

best post of the day:thumbup:
I hate to say it but he may just wish he never went back after all this but it is what it is and he said he would do anything to help bring Haleigh home

[CFMom]

:thumbdown: More poo slinging from the Croslin's... KWIM?

MOO

I hope LE looks really hard at Mistys brother who was there that day that she claims abused her.

[jimbob]

he will be taking the trash out when the time comes..that was what caught my attention but he has been cleared as far as I know...but the TRASH comment stuck out to me like he was talking to someone but I read into things way to much at times....

On the contrary i feel PM , i dont think enough attention is being paid to the things Ron says and does,perhaps that will change now he has mentioned money,that usually gets peoples attention.

[CFMom]

I don't get why you keep hammering away at this as if it really means something. Or why you, as an adult, can't move on.
You think I'm ugly and snarky. Got it.

My focus right now is on whether there is more to that phone call between TJH and TM that will be released today and what may happen on NG tonight.

MO

Bolded by me

[emdragon]

Tim Miller does not need a free pass. Tim Miller did not do anything wrong.

The poster said it was beyond the pale for anyone to criticize Tim Miller.

My post responded to that claim.
Many people (experts included) feel Tim going to the Media with all of this is wrong.

He isn't a Saint that was my comment, so just like anyone else if I feel he is wrong I have the right to say so- what is beyond the pale is the insults to those who exercise that right.

[seeker]

Didn't he threaten to do that when he was with Cobra at Memaws and Cobra called LE for a wellness check? I've no doubt this will be followed by a chorus of how awful Cobra is but now that TM heard the exact words come out of Ronald's mouth, it matters not what anyone thinks of Cobra. Imo, Ron said it, both times.

MO

Misty rambled about a gun in her mouth in one of the recent tests performed. It may have already happened. It may have happened the night that the crime against Haleigh took place. It may have happened much more recently. It could be happening right NOW.

Since the two last tests were performed at Ron's Aunt's house, how "under the gun" was Misty? Maybe that is why she called relatives. I saw her wanting to tell the truth but knowing it could get her killed.

This was part of my impression of the test performed on Misty. She is telling lies, with truth mixed in. Why does she feel she has to lie, and backtrack on statements she makes, such as "doubting" Ron? My god, he and his clan were in the same house as Misty as the last two tests were performed. I believe this young woman thought someone was going to rescue her.

I will join the chorus: "Run Misty, to the person, or people you most trust within any Law Enforcement Agency. Put yourself in their hands and tell everything you know, as soon as you KNOW you are safe...

"Run, and Don't look back!"

MY thoughts and hopes for the safety of everyone who surrounded Haleigh.

[CFMom]

Motive? Sometimes with abusive men, there is no motive. It's the motive to control women. It's the motive to use corporal punishment on this child, to an extent that he was already called on by CPS, which tells me, an intelligent woman, that he used his hands or an object on this child. And knew just how far he could "take it" as a matter of fact his interview said just that. He knew exactly how far he could "take it" ie corp punishment of this child.

Motive? Anger. Uncontrollable anger towards young minor women that he has knocked up countless times, (see the records of his childrens mothers ages)

We come from different worlds, and that's great. I've seen too much abuse by men of women. RC fits the mold in every way. Even his 911 call, was abusive. His treatment of his child, to me, from no bed of her own to stealing her on a court ordered "visitation" tells me all I need to know. He took this child, and dared the beated down ex to try to "get her back" and I do believe that she is afraid of him. He is manipulative, just look at him holding that photo of Haleigh, bending over crying for the camera.
I say NO. He was ACTING and he is a very poor actor indeed.

I am not fooled by the likes of MC and RC. And I hold them both liable for the death of this child, so far. Show us something different, like maybe where that gun is that was mentioned. Maybe HC got a hold of said firearm and accidentally shot herself with it.
And they both covered it up using the "my child has been taken" crying wolf BS story that the McCanns used, the Anthony's used and so many countless others.

I expect arrests, and I do live for the day I see RC and MC in cuffs because I do believe this child to be dead. That's what I beleive and no amount of wishing, praying, will bring her back. IMO.

Like RC said to TM, don't go, she's still out there. He knows exactly where she is, that is my belief.

Bugged Out by the likes of RC.

He was reported...and they left the child with him. He was reported by his ex who lost custody of her two children. ...now theres motive. How many parents have used their children to get back at the other one..countless. There is NO proof Ron has been abusive to females...none.

[willow]

I don't get why you keep hammering away at this as if it really means something. Or why you, as an adult, can't move on.

You think I'm ugly and snarky. Got it.

My focus right now is on whether there is more to that phone call between TJH and TM that will be released today and what may happen on NG tonight.

MO

I know this was NOT to me, but you have went TOO FAR.

Grace, you have made your point - NO REASON to be so RUDE AND MEAN to any poster IN MY OPINION.

Don't even bother wasting your time on me because this time I am really taking a break.

I don't like to see ANYONE be treated the way you just treated CFMom - It is just uncalled for.

[5boxersmom]

'They' didnt report it, Misty did. Ron was at work and wouldnt have known what she wore to bed.

But what was she wearing? Why does no one seem to know? :confused:

[panman]

Try again, I said the criticism of Tim Miller is what I found appalling and I still do. This man has devoted his entire life to helping people, any criticism of him is beyond the pale to me.

IMO

:punch:

So scampi, who are YOU talking about in this post of your:

I am not surprised to see who is criticizing him and taking up for these people who lie. It's appalling.

[CFMom]

But what was she wearing? Why does no one seem to know? :confused:

Because Misty is a liar and wont tell. IMo

[Tracian]

He was reported...and they left the child with him. He was reported by his ex who lost custody of her two children. ...now theres motive. How many parents have used their children to get back at the other one..countless. There is NO proof Ron has been abusive to females...none.


BBM:

This is so common that there is actually a condition called Parental Alienation Syndrome; anyone that has spent time working in family courts or Social Services sees this often.

[emdragon]

That was a good thing the Sheffield family did!

Are we SURE Ron slammed Tim? Or was it Misty speaking for the family?I can't believe Ron would dis Tim.

MOO

I have yet to hear anything come out of Ron's mouth.
In print articles it is written that Ron and Misty sat down with or came in to talk with but everything said about Tim is attributed to Misty. Ron hasn't been quoted in any of them I saw yesterday.

[seeker]

On the contrary i feel PM , i dont think enough attention is being paid to the things Ron says and does,perhaps that will change now he has mentioned money,that usually gets peoples attention.

I agree, Jimbob. I think many of us have been paying attention to what Ron says since the beginning. Very Important. Always has been. Just because some fall for the Misty being the prime suspect, it is not working for me. Never has.

My opinion.

[panman]

Doubt it was staged, she did take the tests.

I don't think that Ron is furious at all about Tim being back.

You would be the first to scream if you heard that Ron put a gun to Misty's head....how long did you all rant about him wanting to kill the person that took Haleigh?

Has it stopped?

[seeker]

'They' didnt report it, Misty did. Ron was at work and wouldnt have known what she wore to bed.

Ron was at work? When?

[panman]

I know! I have read so many posts about Rons abuse to Misty and now for someone to post this..and I believe this is the second poster to say this...is unbelievable.This case sure brings out the worse in some. Pot meet kettle.

Amazing isn't it?

[Tracian]

I have yet to hear anything come out of Ron's mouth.
In print articles it is written that Ron and Misty sat down with or came in to talk with but everything said about Tim is attributed to Misty. Ron hasn't been quoted in any of them I saw yesterday.


Misty did all the talking, except Ron said "I don't think she knows anything" but IMO, it was not convincing.


About Tim Miller:

I respect him greatly; I have no problem with him getting the tests together for Misty; the only thing I question is him making public the results. IMO, it could have done more harm than good in regards to Misty finally telling the truth.

[panman]

Didn't you hear Ron being the first one to use violence in this case? Shooting out back windows of patrol cars? Telling Cobra he would put a *pistol in Misty's mouth*. Seems to me Ron has no problem with using violence.

moo

I see some posters have no problem suggesting violence either.

[jimbob]

But what was she wearing? Why does no one seem to know? :confused:

Ive been turning the internet upside down trying to find out too , its a simple enough question.
According to Ron she was at the door and according to Misty she had just woke up.
Was it a nightdress,jammies or was it bluejeans and a tshirt,shorts..whatever.

[seeker]

Motive? Sometimes with abusive men, there is no motive. It's the motive to control women. It's the motive to use corporal punishment on this child, to an extent that he was already called on by CPS, which tells me, an intelligent woman, that he used his hands or an object on this child. And knew just how far he could "take it" as a matter of fact his interview said just that. He knew exactly how far he could "take it" ie corp punishment of this child.

Motive? Anger. Uncontrollable anger towards young minor women that he has knocked up countless times, (see the records of his childrens mothers ages)

We come from different worlds, and that's great. I've seen too much abuse by men of women. RC fits the mold in every way. Even his 911 call, was abusive. His treatment of his child, to me, from no bed of her own to stealing her on a court ordered "visitation" tells me all I need to know. He took this child, and dared the beated down ex to try to "get her back" and I do believe that she is afraid of him. He is manipulative, just look at him holding that photo of Haleigh, bending over crying for the camera.
I say NO. He was ACTING and he is a very poor actor indeed.

I am not fooled by the likes of MC and RC. And I hold them both liable for the death of this child, so far. Show us something different, like maybe where that gun is that was mentioned. Maybe HC got a hold of said firearm and accidentally shot herself with it.
And they both covered it up using the "my child has been taken" crying wolf BS story that the McCanns used, the Anthony's used and so many countless others.

I expect arrests, and I do live for the day I see RC and MC in cuffs because I do believe this child to be dead. That's what I beleive and no amount of wishing, praying, will bring her back. IMO.

Like RC said to TM, don't go, she's still out there. He knows exactly where she is, that is my belief.

Bugged Out by the likes of RC.

Right ON, Bugout!

[jimbob]

Right ON, Bugout!

I second that..and i want a Bugout t shirt now

Bugouts #1 fan
jbob