8/31 Pt. II thru 9/1

[Rucky*Ron]

Since we're over 1,000 posts..

[Diamond1]

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I read it as trying to control his emotions... a man thing.
MOO

It looked more like a challenge when he did that. If you watch it without sound it looks threatening. mo

[BobbysGirl]

I watched NG tonite when I could. Mr. Cummings appears the same way about HaLeigh when she was first missing. It appearesd no emotion and the same thing said over and over as in past. My thoughts. I don't know what to make of all this.

Something inside me does not feel right. But, I don't know.

HaLeigh has been gone for so long. I hope and pray she is found.

All I want is her to
be found and brought home. That is it.

BG

[FrankieBones1]

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I read it as trying to control his emotions... a man thing.
MOO

I agree, RR. I didn't see anything threatening about his manner at all.
And that would be my unbiased opinion.

[BobbysGirl]

I do not believe in it's a man emotion.

I am not saying Ron is responsible.

I wish I knew. Maybe I need not post.

I do not know what happened to HaLeigh or why. If there is a why? She has disappeared. And no one knows where or why.

I can only hope.

BG

[BobbysGirl]

Any one can control emotions. If they want to. Especially in public. Man, woman. All the same to me.

:confused:

[BitterSweet]

So many questions on RC's interview?

First off...

Why do I feel I want to reach into the television to hug RC and believe he is being honest? Uhhhgghh

As I refocus on Haleigh, I remind myself of some obvious facts.
Ronald Cummings has repeatedly expressed his "plea" to the public, many time with angry threats.

When it comes to Misty as a suspect, he does a complete 360 and adopts a laissez-faire attitude ~ "I don't know".

WHY??????
I have lots of "why" questions with Ronald Cummings tonight I am more sure they are answered.

BitterSweet

[Themis]

TaraCrazyHair - post 1077, p. 27, from just closed thread:


Was that the interview where Misty was stumped on a question and Ron whispered something to her?

Or was that an earlier one ...

Tara: The show I referred to in my post 1074:

" As for Ron on The Today Show -- my impression of his demeanor is different from 'a deer caught in the headlights.' I think he came off as smug, arrogant, and disdainful of Meredith. Try watching it with the sound off and concentrate on facial expressions, especially the eyes and mouth. Notice the chin being raised and thrust out. "

The Today Show, March 13, 2009 with Meredith Vieira:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29674827/

Tara, I often watch interviews with the sound OFF to watch overall demeanor, then concentrate on overall body language (watch Ron's left leg jiggle almost from the first question) and then zero in on the face -- the eyes, the mouth, chin thrusts. I've been doing this for years. It adds another dimension after listening closely to their words and voice inflections. Try it sometime!:smile: [JMO * Themis]

The show you refer to is when Ron whispered to Misty 'look at the camera' was with Greta V. S. This is also the interview where Misty said the 2 mattresses on the floor were 4 inches from each other. Ron then corrects Misty and states the mattresses were 4 feet apart. I've linked this video interview many times as it was done so soon after Haleigh was last seen on Monday, 2-9-09.

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3567692&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,492185,00.html

[JMO * Themis]

[SleepyHallow]

Did anyone catch the Firstcoast news segment with the Ron and Misty interview?

Very eye opening to say the least...I hope they have the video up soon.

For those that doubted that Ron didn't want to have anything to do with Tim Miller..Your doubts will be gone after seeing that interview.

[jimbob]

Having read the posted NG transcript im wondering when the timeline changed ?
Up to tonight id read Misty saying she went to bed at 10pm,in the transcript RC says 10:30 or 11:00 ?

[Themis]

It looked more like a challenge when he did that. If you watch it without sound it looks threatening. mo
That is the way it comes across to me as well, Diamond ... challenging. Almost a 'I dare you' look.
He repeats that he doesn't think anyone should be interested in or care at all about his personal life. I believe any L.E. person would dispute Ron's statements on that topic.

Trying to control his emotions because it's a man thing? I can't agree with that statement since he had no problem crying and whining and sinking to the ground in one of the first interviews. He really carried on in a very dramatic manner. [JMO * Themis]

[Themis]

Did anyone catch the Firstcoast news segment with the Ron and Misty interview?

Very eye opening to say the least...I hope they have the video up soon.

For those that doubted that Ron didn't want to have anything to do with Tim Miller..Your doubts will be gone after seeing that interview.
No, I didn't, SleepyHallow. I will try to remember to keep checking it but things are rather hectic for me yesterday and today.
So, if you notice the video of it is put up, please share that and the link, too. Thank you ahead of time.:smile:

[Diamond1]

For someone who claims such innocence why is he so paranoid about his phone being tapped? He isn't even a POI so why is this so concerning for him unless he has something to hide?! I hope Tim Miller was a smart cookie and gave LE the disposable phone numbers so they could be tapped too if any are at all.

He is paranoid because he has something to hide. He knows what happen to Haleigh. IMO

[SleepyHallow]

No, I didn't, SleepyHallow. I will try to remember to keep checking it but things are rather hectic for me yesterday and today.
So, if you notice the video of it is put up, please share that and the link, too. Thank you ahead of time.:smile:

Here you go. :)

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/default.aspx

Sorry, it's only a story so far...Hoping they put up the video. IMO, it doesn't really matter if it's a video or in print. OMG, I am stunned at how horribly Ron, Misty and BOTH of their attorneys made Tim Miller out to be.

I guess anyone is fair game with these two liars! I feel so bad for Tim Miller. And worse for Haleigh now that I KNOW and am convinced where Ron stands.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Here you go. :)

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/default.aspx

Sorry, it's only a story so far...Hoping they put up the video. IMO, it doesn't really matter if it's a video or in print. OMG, I am stunned at how horribly Ron, Misty and BOTH of their attorneys made Tim Miller out to be.

I guess anyone is fair game with these two liars! I feel so bad for Tim Miller. And worse for Haleigh now that I KNOW and am convinced where Ron stands.


From that report .. Misty Cummings said, "[Miller] called on the phone and said 'I'm going to take you to Orlando to get you away because your days are numbered.' And I said okay."


LOL can we be realistic here? Who is going away with anybody who tells you your days are numbered

[TaraCrazyHair]

Thanks. Headed to watch. BRB

Thought there was video??


Video here

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/default.aspx

[BitterSweet]

Hope everyone has a nice evening. Goodnight,


Thank you Rucky.

I myself am off to dream of confessions and arrests.
BitterSweet

[Themis]

Here you go. :)

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/default.aspx

Sorry, it's only a story so far...Hoping they put up the video. IMO, it doesn't really matter if it's a video or in print. OMG, I am stunned at how horribly Ron, Misty and BOTH of their attorneys made Tim Miller out to be.

I guess anyone is fair game with these two liars! I feel so bad for Tim Miller. And worse for Haleigh now that I KNOW and am convinced where Ron stands.
Thanks, SleepyHallow! A written article is better than nothing:wink: but I hope First Coast News puts up the video, too.

Once again, I am left saying "It's Odd" when talking about these people. It seems everyone they (RC & MC) talk to either lies to them or lies about them.

One thing is clear, to me anyway, in reading this article, Ron and Misty are a united couple as of Monday, August 31, 2009.
There is no 'she's with him because she loves him or can provide her with shelter and food.'
There is no 'he's with her because he loves her and believes her.'
I think I can also discard that scenario of RC being such a good actor that the 'keep your enemies closer' to solve Haleigh's abduction is RC's only goal.
RC just doesn't seem to me to be the equivalent of an undercover cop.

I eagerly await the reaction to all of this from Haleigh's GM Teresa and GGM Annette. Those 2 have shed more tears on camera than any of the others.
[JMO * Themis]

[BitterSweet]

Just viewed the video.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?aid=163395&storyid=144221

IMO ~ Misty is begging for help.

BitterSweet

[TaraCrazyHair]

Just viewed the video.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?aid=163395&storyid=144221

IMO ~ Misty is begging for help.

BitterSweet

What do you mean?

[BitterSweet]

What do you mean?

"they go out and look for the right person, they might have the answers, but they are trying to get the answers from me that I don't have".

I think she is afraid Tara.

What do I know? Such a frustrating case!

BitterSweet

[jimbob]

I think the most valuable bit about the video is somebody is out and out lying in a serious way.
Either Miller is lying or the happy couple are lying.Who has the stronger motive to lie ?

[Justice4all]

Both Misty and Ron look clean and sober to me.

[jimbob]

Both Misty and Ron look clean and sober to me.

I would too if i knew the cops were watching my every move.

[Themis]

Video here

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/default.aspx
Thank you, Tara, for linking the video. It's always good to have both.
I agree with JimBob's assessment.

As I said earlier, to me it's a case once again that according to RC and MC everyone else either lies to them or about them.

What Misty says in the linked video about the polygraph is totally contradicted by her written acceptance of the conditions attached to taking the polygraph. Also, how could MC possibly think she has passed all 4 polygraphs and state such.
Does she think people who are following poor Haleigh's disappearance that gullible?

BTW, Tara, I did answer your question on Part 1 of today's thread up above as post #9; hope you saw it.
[JMO * Themis]

[Justice4all]

Police were never watching them as POI's were they? Those girls gave interviews every time LE asked, including when they were arrested.

I have no idea if they are POI's do you? and how do you know they gave interviews every time they were asked? I sure haven't heard anything about their interviews have you? In fact only interview i know about was with Art Harris LOL

jmho

[Justice4all]

I do not think you are suggesting that Tim Miller is the liar, but for the sake of responding I will pretend you do. In order for me to believe that Tim Miller could possibly be lying would mean that I would have to believe that he has a sinister stake in this. That this was premeditated on his part and self serving. That his actions now contradict every selfless act that he is known for. I simply can not even begin to venture into a realm that makes any of that believable. It just way too out there!

Well i respect Tim Miller with all my heart BUT i have to wonder why did he take them out of town,...and i seriously doubt Misty called him and begged him to give her a LDT and i really seriously doubt she said ohhh Tim will you please give me a voice test and hypnotize me. Please don't tell me you seriously believe Misty did that now do you?



moo

[Justice4all]

And i have to wonder now why Tim doesn't include Crystal in this search...I'm sorry but 2 and 2 are not equally 4 with everything Tim's saying.

Is that his new thing to give families LDT's before he helps to search for a missing child? He sure wasn't that way 10 years ago.

[Justice4all]

Yes I have heard about their interviews with LE. I am sure someone with a link handy will provide one soon because it is true. Both of those girls have readily spoken with LE.

What did they tell LE? and i think you are just assuming they did an interview every single time they were asked.

[Justice4all]

I do believe it. I remember misty being quite confident that she had passed the FBI's polygraph, so why wouldn't she believe she could lie her way through another? I think LE allowed her to believe they bought her innocence so she would let something slip. Tim might have blown that false sense of security but I don't think it mattered at this point, her days are numbered.

So you seriously feel like Misty knew about Voice test and hypnotist? Did Tim give Ron a LDT?

her days are numbered? why?

[W_D_1]

Tara...to answer your question about Ron calling NG Miss Nancy I think it's because she is southern.

[Justice4all]

How would Crystal know best where to search? She lives 100 miles away! The best people to offer valuable information are those who were directly involved and live in the area. I can not even begin to imagine how you could so easily discount Tim Miller as a liar and believe Ron and Misty.

Hold on a moment....i've never in my life called TM a liar. I have went on several searches with TES.

and i don't believe ANYTHING misty has to say.


I'm simply saying i think Tim set Misty up.....and i have to wonder why he did it and why didn't he do it to Ron?

I think both should have taken all the test.

why did he take them out of town?

and i don't believe for a moment TM said her day's were numbered.

and YES Crystal should be involved with EVERYTHING. specially organizing searches for her daughter.

Natalee Holloway went missing thousands of miles away but that sure didn't stop her mother from working with TM

[Justice4all]

Tara...to answer your question about Ron calling NG Miss Nancy I think it's because she is southern.

ITA .... I know that's how i am.

[Justice4all]

Is a hypnotism anything new? Who hasn't heard of it? The voice analysis is probably less commonly heard of but we know they are watching these shows, talking with people and possibly reading the message boards. She could have heard of it as an option.

I too wonder if Tim Miller ever asked Ron to take the LDT too, however if Ron is innocent that is a hurtful risk to take. If Ron is guilty that would immediately put him on the defense and be the end of cooperation for both of them. No sense in risking it either way to ask him, at least until after Misty has taken her tests.

No it's not new but Misty just doesn't seem like a legal eagle that would know all about those but then again maybe she knows more about the legal system then any of us here.

and I just find it odd he didn't give RC a LDT.........he should have. Or maybe he did and we haven't heard about it.

[Justice4all]

My responses in blue.

when i said set her up i meant set her up with all the test ...i don't think she asked for them and i don't think TM needed to take them out of town to relax and talk and all that bull stuff...he needs to talk to LE and get to searching just like he's done in thousands of other searches.


and about Crystal well didn't her lawyer say that she had spoke to several people that had saw Misty out that night so wouldn't that info help Tim?

and she doesn't have to be near Misty to help with searches......

[jimbob]

Well i respect Tim Miller with all my heart BUT i have to wonder why did he take them out of town,...and i seriously doubt Misty called him and begged him to give her a LDT and i really seriously doubt she said ohhh Tim will you please give me a voice test and hypnotize me. Please don't tell me you seriously believe Misty did that now do you?



moo

As i understood it Misty asked for the hypnotism after she failed the poly.

[BitterSweet]

Tara...to answer your question about Ron calling NG Miss Nancy I think it's because she is southern.

Respect for air time, IMO.

Hope he is as respectful when he does Jail house interviews.
BitterSweet

[willow]

Thank you, Tara, for linking the video. It's always good to have both.
I agree with JimBob's assessment.

As I said earlier, to me it's a case once again that according to RC and MC everyone else either lies to them or about them.

What Misty says in the linked video about the polygraph is totally contradicted by her written acceptance of the conditions attached to taking the polygraph. Also, how could MC possibly think she has passed all 4 polygraphs and state such.
Does she think people who are following poor Haleigh's disappearance that gullible?


[JMO * Themis]

snipped for space and my bold

Themis as usual a great post and I agree completely. I was also thinking the exact same thing that I bolded in your post while I was watching Misty talk about the LDT's. OMG, what was she thinking and what was her attorney thinking to let her say something like that.

night everyone

moo

[Justice4all]

Respect for air time, IMO.

Hope he is as respectful when he does Jail house interviews.
BitterSweet

LOL.....are you saying RC's a suspect or POI?

[Justice4all]

Actually I do believe he said that. It is an old fashioned term and not too common among young people. What isn't clear is the context and timing of when he said it. Maybe he said it upon realizing that she had flunked the tests. Most of us do believe her days are numbered, so if Tim said it he is not way off base.

But didn't Tim say that was a lie?

[jimbob]

Tara...to answer your question about Ron calling NG Miss Nancy I think it's because she is southern.

Bullseye WD1 , i have family down there on the Fla/Ga border and it tickles me when i vist as i get called Mr Jimbob by the kids and my companion was Miss C (i wont put full name)
But it is commen and i presume its just good manners on thier part..odd but thats how it is.

[Justice4all]

It seems he was trying very hard to gain Misty's trust. I would go about it the same way if I wanted her to tell me the truth. When that failed, I would try an all new unyet tested strategy. :wink:

IMO Tim needs to stop playing cop and just search and let the LE do their job.

[BitterSweet]

LOL.....are you saying RC's a suspect or POI?

LOL

Glad to see stranger abduction is off the table 6 months later, as well.
BitterSweet

[W_D_1]

Bullseye WD1 , i have family down there on the Fla/Ga border and it tickles me when i vist as i get called Mr Jimbob by the kids and my companion was Miss C (i wont put full name)
But it is commen and i presume its just good manners on thier part..odd but thats how it is.



My boss is southern, her boss isn't. I call my boss Miss C but I call her boss by her name.

[Justice4all]

I think he very well is! I think LE is smart enough to know if they publicly brand him as such that he and Misty will never talk again.

So in reality LE could have been lying about crystal not being a suspect.....hmmmmmmmmmm makes sense specially since Chad hasn't been cleared.

[Themis]

And i have to wonder now why Tim doesn't include Crystal in this search...I'm sorry but 2 and 2 are not equally 4 with everything Tim's saying.

Is that his new thing to give families LDT's before he helps to search for a missing child? He sure wasn't that way 10 years ago.
Justice, considering what Tim Miller and his organization have experienced and are now facing with regard to his help in searching for Caylee Anthony, he may be approaching cases much more cautiously than before.

It is important to remember that Tim Miller is back trying to help find Haleigh because the Cummings Family reached out to Mark NeJame and because NeJame has worked with Tim Miller. News articles are quite clear on that point.

1. http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=143453&catid=3

2. http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/8/15/anthonys_exattorney_joins_search_for_haleigh.html

Tim Miller and Equusearch were there in Satsuma for several days with loads of their volunteers back in February.

Five (5) months later Tim Miller, I believe, has heard a very great deal about the goings on in Satsuma. I think he would be hesitant to return without the help and advice of an attorney Miller is familiar with.

Why else would the Cummings Family have gone to Orlando to find another new lawyer to help them?

Why else would the Cummings Family (RC and Teresa seen in NeJame's office) have driven over 80 miles and almost 2 hours one way to Orlando to hire a new lawyer to 'get more media attention' on Haleigh?

[JMO * Themis]

[BitterSweet]

Chad?

Why are we talking about him?
Uhhg nite.
BitterSweet

[jimbob]

My boss is southern, her boss isn't. I call my boss Miss C but I call her boss by her name.

Im not Southern , im from Scotland and i still get called Mr Jbob and my companion was from Pa and had never been in the South...i thought it was unique and charming.

[Justice4all]

LOL

Glad to see stranger abduction is off the table 6 months later, as well.
BitterSweet

From day one i didn't think it was a strange abduction. I think Misty's guilty of doing something to haleigh.

[W_D_1]

Chad?

Why are we talking about him?
Uhhg nite.
BitterSweet


IMO for the same reason some are still talking about Ron being involved even though the police have said he isn't a suspect....possibilities.

[Justice4all]

Chad?

Why are we talking about him?
Uhhg nite.
BitterSweet

yes chad...he has yet to be cleared and it wasn't a stranger abduction and he has a past with drugs,..maybe that's where she was getting her drugs from..
where was Chad that night?


moo


ohhhhh yeah you already left. my bad...night. lol

[Justice4all]

Tim is not paid by LE he volunteers all of his time and assets. I think he has every right to invest his time and much needed effort where it is deserved. If I were him I wouldnt step foot into Florida ever again, it is really starting to look futile for any missing child case there.

hey i'm glad Tim gave Misty the test because now the world knows she's lying but honestly how will this help find Haleigh?


Like Miss Nancy said tonight i don't think Misty covering for anyone.

[jimbob]

Theres an extremely interesting video put up on the sunday thread tonight , seems back then RC and MC pinned all thier ideas on the backdoor lock being picked.
Not one lock but two , and one a deadbolt lock.

Whatever happened to the little boys story about a man in the trailor that night ?
Out of everybody he seems the only one with no motive to lie.

[teresa]

That is the way it comes across to me as well, Diamond ... challenging. Almost a 'I dare you' look.
He repeats that he doesn't think anyone should be interested in or care at all about his personal life. I believe any L.E. person would dispute Ron's statements on that topic.

Trying to control his emotions because it's a man thing? I can't agree with that statement since he had no problem crying and whining and sinking to the ground in one of the first interviews. He really carried on in a very dramatic manner. [JMO * Themis]

Themis, maybe you should watch that video again and see how swollen his eyelids are. That's not whining, that is pure heartbroken terror.

[W_D_1]

Here is the thing... The Supreme court has ruled that police can use deception except when they are questioning a suspect and that suspects needs to be apprised of his rights. Ron hasnt been speaking with LE so they can lie about that, if LE were to have had a recent session with Ron or if they had any plans to sit down with him and they said that then I would believe them. But they don't and they haven't. Does that make sense?



They weren't questioning Ron when they said he wasn't a suspect. And that works both ways....they could be lying about Crystal.

[Themis]

Actually I do believe he said that. It is an old fashioned term and not too common among young people. What isn't clear is the context and timing of when he said it. Maybe he said it upon realizing that she had flunked the tests. Most of us do believe her days are numbered, so if Tim said it he is not way off base.
Actually, *I* remember the phrase 'Misty's days are numbered' appearing on one of several message boards where Haleigh's disappearance is discussed. I immediately thought to myself, 'oh, this poster is an older person.'

Je t'aime, I agree that it is an old fashioned term and not too common among young people.

Yet, Misty used it today's article on First Coast News! August 31, 2009

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=144221&catid=295

I do not believe for one minute that that phrase is in Misty's memory bank!
She has either picked it up from message boards herself or people close to her have and relayed it to her.
Say, someone close to her reading message boards and in their 60's.

[JMO * Themis]

[W_D_1]

They could be lying about Crystal too. Do you really believe though that Crystal is the one being deceptive here?


I believe there is a possibility she was behind this. She may not have been the one to kidnap Haleigh but I think it could have been done on her behalf.

[Justice4all]

I am not sure how Miss Nancy even meant that to tell you the truth. Did she mean that she thought Misty was only covering for herself not anyone else? or did she mean Misty really knows nothing? I really do not know how to read that and I think Miss Nancy is being intentionally ambiguous so Ron wont refuse to come back.

LOL...Miss Nancy doesn't fluff anything she's a straight shooter and doesn't care if you come back on her show or not.


MOO


Good night everyone......... thank you for the laughs je lol

[teresa]

Hold on a moment....i've never in my life called TM a liar. I have went on several searches with TES.

and i don't believe ANYTHING misty has to say.


I'm simply saying i think Tim set Misty up.....and i have to wonder why he did it and why didn't he do it to Ron?

I think both should have taken all the test.

why did he take them out of town?

and i don't believe for a moment TM said her day's were numbered.

and YES Crystal should be involved with EVERYTHING. specially organizing searches for her daughter.

Natalee Holloway went missing thousands of miles away but that sure didn't stop her mother from working with TM

Seeing as how the test was at Mark's office and with Tim saying he won't get involved in legalities again, I think Mark set it up and used Tim to get them away for a few days. If he felt they needed to get away, why not offer the closer beach? They wanted Misty in Orlando for a reason.

[Themis]

Themis, maybe you should watch that video again and see how swollen his eyelids are. That's not whining, that is pure heartbroken terror.
Teresa, I have watched that video at least 6 times.

What part of:

"he had no problem crying and whining and sinking to the ground in one of the first interviews. He really carried on in a very dramatic manner."

did you miss?

[JMO * Themis]

[teresa]

LOL.....are you saying RC's a suspect or POI?

I guess I misunderstood the rules here.

[Themis]

Misty and Ronald Cummings Speak Out About Tests:


Updated 12:08 A.M. - September 1, 2009:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=144221&catid=295

[teresa]

Teresa, I have watched that video at least 6 times.

What part of:

"he had no problem crying and whining and sinking to the ground in one of the first interviews. He really carried on in a very dramatic manner."

did you miss?

[JMO * Themis]

The "whining" is what I had an issue with.

[SleepyHallow]

Ron and his attorney meeting with LE tomorrow to discuss phone records and other "things"

Things are heating up, folks.

http://www.news4jax.com/video/20657559/index.html

[titanfan217]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/cummings_case/082709_Polygraph_results_questioned_in_Haleigh_cas e

For those who have been asking ---

[jimbob]

Ron and his attorney meeting with LE tomorrow to discuss phone records and other "things"

Things are heating up, folks.

http://www.news4jax.com/video/20657559/index.html

Not before time SH , interest is peaking this past week and i believe its a matter of any time now before some truth begins to come out.

[teresa]

Ron and his attorney meeting with LE tomorrow to discuss phone records and other "things"

Things are heating up, folks.

http://www.news4jax.com/video/20657559/index.html

That's a good thing. It is with FDLE. Maybe the new FDLE guy has questions that PCSO didn't notice.

[titanfan217]

Actually, *I* remember the phrase 'Misty's days are numbered' appearing on one of several message boards where Haleigh's disappearance is discussed. I immediately thought to myself, 'oh, this poster is an older person.'

Je t'aime, I agree that it is an old fashioned term and not too common among young people.

Yet, Misty used it today's article on First Coast News! August 31, 2009

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=144221&catid=295

I do not believe for one minute that that phrase is in Misty's memory bank!
She has either picked it up from message boards herself or people close to her have and relayed it to her.
Say, someone close to her reading message boards and in their 60's.

[JMO * Themis]

That's probably where Misty got the phrase.

[titanfan217]

Ron and his attorney meeting with LE tomorrow to discuss phone records and other "things"

Things are heating up, folks.

http://www.news4jax.com/video/20657559/index.html

Is this attorney the one from the counseling issues or the fight or someone new?

[teresa]

Is this attorney the one from the counseling issues or the fight or someone new?

Titan, he is the one for the assualt. Another attorney was listed on the custody records. They may be from the same firm but I don't know that.

ETA - they are in the same firm

[Themis]

Is this attorney the one from the counseling issues or the fight or someone new?
TitanFan, if I heard correctly on a portion of Nancy Grace's show on You-Tube tonight, RC's attorney is:

Terry J. Shoemaker of Mowrey, Shoemaker, and Beardsley law firm
Shoemaker graduated in 2003. 95% of his work is criminal law.

http://www.ancientcitylaw.com/Bio/TerryShoemaker.asp

Here is the link to Part 1 of N. Grace show of 8-31-09:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3WZSOO24C4

[JMO * Themis]

P.S. Thank you, SleepyHallow for the link you gave in post 91!

[aproudmom]

Hi to the night time posters I just watched NG and I am losing all hope I hate to say that and many of you would say I should not give up but it is very hard with all the new stuff coming out and I know Ron has been cleared but hey guys if anyone told me my other half was the key to the timeline and the story is not adding up I could not look that person in the face let alone go to bed every night and wake next to them NOT KNOWING...is RC in denial I am not saying she did anything alone but I feel and have since the first day Misty knew more than she was saying and I just wish RC lawyer would be honest with him these lawyers know and if Misty has failed any of the other test given by LE and FBI and now Tim Millers guy and all say she knows more...Hello she knows more....BTW what is up with this brother thing..is this the one that was there that night? sorry I just catch the updates because there is no use to bicker on my feelings that I feel she knows more and RC is blind if him and his lawyers do not see it...all JMO

Sorry if my opinion is not the same as yours but I have stuck by it and will until LE tells me different and you can not arrest someone on a LDT does anyone know if Misty was given a drug test? I only ask in case she was drugged by someone or that is the problem with the story about what did or did not happen

[aproudmom]

Ron and his attorney meeting with LE tomorrow to discuss phone records and other "things"

Things are heating up, folks.

http://www.news4jax.com/video/20657559/index.html

:ohmy:what is going on...

[aproudmom]

Actually, *I* remember the phrase 'Misty's days are numbered' appearing on one of several message boards where Haleigh's disappearance is discussed. I immediately thought to myself, 'oh, this poster is an older person.'

Je t'aime, I agree that it is an old fashioned term and not too common among young people.

Yet, Misty used it today's article on First Coast News! August 31, 2009

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=144221&catid=295

I do not believe for one minute that that phrase is in Misty's memory bank!
She has either picked it up from message boards herself or people close to her have and relayed it to her.
Say, someone close to her reading message boards and in their 60's.

[JMO * Themis]

OMG Themis I remember that also...and I just got done reading the link and thought this sounds so familiar and then seen your post...Sorry but your days are numbered is not so common..that is odd OK Themis now tell me who in the heck is in their 60's lol that one I do not know...

Also I was reading something about cells but when I watched one of the tapes she has a phone I guess it could be the pre-paid phone since they said TM told them no phone LOL...ok anyway not a biggy but I do not think they were being held by TES or Tim Miller and to tell you the truth I think Tim needs to start doing this in cases like this..what have we all heard Mark Klass say the first thing he did? WALKED IN the PD said give me a LDT and then go find my daughter....so if families do not want to help in finding their loved one that meaning using all means then TM needs to move on to all the other families who would give their life to have TES..it just seems in Caylee's case and this one he is being bashed for trying to get answers and I don't care how he gets them as long as the person agrees I have NO doubt TM is there for Haleigh to bring her home and as we can see he is searching even after being called a liar and many other things... his mission is to bring this baby home not write a book or get any money all you have to do is look at his record he is not some SO called Kind finders network he works right along with LE and is very respected......ALL JMO

[Themis]

Hi to the night time posters I just watched NG and I am losing all hope I hate to say that and many of you would say I should not give up but it is very hard with all the new stuff coming out and I know Ron has been cleared but hey guys if anyone told me my other half was the key to the timeline and the story is not adding up I could not look that person in the face let alone go to bed every night and wake next to them NOT KNOWING...is RC in denial I am not saying she did anything alone but I feel and have since the first day Misty knew more than she was saying and I just wish RC lawyer would be honest with him these lawyers know and if Misty has failed any of the other test given by LE and FBI and now Tim Millers guy and all say she knows more...Hello she knows more....BTW what is up with this brother thing..is this the one that was there that night? sorry I just catch the updates because there is no use to bicker on my feelings that I feel she knows more and RC is blind if him and his lawyers do not see it...all JMO

Sorry if my opinion is not the same as yours but I have stuck by it and will until LE tells me different and you can not arrest someone on a LDT does anyone know if Misty was given a drug test? I only ask in case she was drugged by someone or that is the problem with the story about what did or did not happen
Greetings ProudMom

I'm much like you in your thinking. Have gone from OMG that poor young couple when I first heard about it. However, from the early days of televised interviews with Greta V. S., etc. my hinker meter starting chiming real loud.

Yes, Misty is accusing Tommy (formal name is Hank, Jr.) of molesting her. Yes, Tommy, his 2 sons, and I believe his daughter also, were over at the Cummings mobile home between 5 PM and about 5:45 PM on Monday, 2-9.

I do not remember ever having read or seen anyone state Misty has been given a drug test -- either back on 2-10 or at any time since.
That, of course, does not mean she has not been given one just that I do not remember hearing or reading about it.

[JMO * Themis] Another Night Owl

[Themis]

OMG Themis I remember that also...and I just got done reading the link and thought this sounds so familiar and then seen your post...Sorry but your days are numbered is not so common..that is odd OK Themis now tell me who in the heck is in their 60's lol that one I do not know...

Also I was reading something about cells but when I watched one of the tapes she has a phone I guess it could be the pre-paid phone since they said TM told them no phone LOL...ok anyway not a biggy but I do not think they were being held by TES or Tim Miller and to tell you the truth I think Tim needs to start doing this in cases like this..what have we all heard Mark Klass say the first thing he did? WALKED IN the PD said give me a LDT and then go find my daughter....so if families do not want to help in finding their loved one that meaning using all means then TM needs to move on to all the other families who would give their life to have TES..it just seems in Caylee's case and this one he is being bashed for trying to get answers and I don't care how he gets them as long as the person agrees I have NO doubt TM is there for Haleigh to bring her home and as we can see he is searching even after being called a liar and many other things... his mission is to bring this baby home not write a book or get any money all you have to do is look at his record he is not some SO called Kind finders network he works right along with LE and is very respected......ALL JMO

ProudMom: I don't know if you can see me from where you are, but...

I am giving you a standing ovation for 'telling it like it is.'

[JMO * Themis]

[aproudmom]

I am reading some comments can anyone tell me if something about some pictures were brought up on here who is hernan TIA

[CANDYKISSES]

Theres an extremely interesting video put up on the sunday thread tonight , seems back then RC and MC pinned all thier ideas on the backdoor lock being picked.
Not one lock but two , and one a deadbolt lock.

Whatever happened to the little boys story about a man in the trailor that night ?
Out of everybody he seems the only one with no motive to lie.

:sad:Well Mr. JB, if the child did indeed say such a thing without coaching and you believe Misty had another man in Ronald (King of the forest) Cummings home on his sofa with her......then it might seem logical to think Haleigh could have gotten up and been a threat to the safety of one or more. But, you would have to believe the LE in this case are lying about RC KofF not being a suspect, and that Misty must have done something to silence Haleigh or the mysterious man (not so much of a stranger) took control of that. JMO:unsure:

[aproudmom]

ProudMom: I don't know if you can see me from where you are, but...

I am giving you a standing ovation for 'telling it like it is.'

[JMO * Themis]

Themis I just can not understand and of course I have watched this from day 1 and just watched some videos of Haleigh and in tears once again:crying: some one knows something and I wish I did not feel Misty knew more that is the worst to hear down the road someone who was to protect a child failed and it seems to be happening so much anymore I am not a detective but I have seen enough of these cases to know something is not right why have they not broke anyone I do not have those answers I wish we all did but FGS this baby needs to be found I don't care if they have to bring everyone from all side in that is not my concern my only concern has been for Haleigh and this may sound horrible but I have kept up with Caylee, Sandra, Nevaeh, Robert, Jada, Tori, and even though they turned out horrible and heartbreaking to the point posters had to take breaks at least they were found and laid to rest in a proper way. I want to believe Haleigh is alive and well and a miracle will happen but it is getting very hard and to keep hearing they have nothing to go on and failed LDT and I am not a expert I don't know how they work other than they can not arrest someone solely on a LDT..My heart breaks for the families all of them and I hope TES can bring Haleigh home if anyone can it will be him and his team...JMO

[Themis]

Themis I just can not understand and of course I have watched this from day 1 and just watched some videos of Haleigh and in tears once again:crying: some one knows something and I wish I did not feel Misty knew more that is the worst to hear down the road someone who was to protect a child failed and it seems to be happening so much anymore I am not a detective but I have seen enough of these cases to know something is not right why have they not broke anyone I do not have those answers I wish we all did but FGS this baby needs to be found I don't care if they have to bring everyone from all side in that is not my concern my only concern has been for Haleigh and this may sound horrible but I have kept up with Caylee, Sandra, Nevaeh, Robert, Jada, Tori, and even though they turned out horrible and heartbreaking to the point posters had to take breaks at least they were found and laid to rest in a proper way. I want to believe Haleigh is alive and well and a miracle will happen but it is getting very hard and to keep hearing they have nothing to go on and failed LDT and I am not a expert I don't know how they work other than they can not arrest someone solely on a LDT..My heart breaks for the families all of them and I hope TES can bring Haleigh home if anyone can it will be him and his team...JMO
I believe your views are shared by others on this message board, ProudMom.
In spite of statements being made by RC and MC in recent days that this is all about Haleigh, Haleigh being returned safely, or Haleigh being recovered, it is just not coming through that way to me. They can say those things to reporters or TV anchors but the words come across as empty words.

BTW, you have mail.

[CANDYKISSES]

They weren't questioning Ron when they said he wasn't a suspect. And that works both ways....they could be lying about Crystal.

Isn't that the truth WD? It seems Crystal and Chad needed a HAIL MARY to save her from jail for not paying child support for such a long time, and yet she needed to be available to care for her own third child and two more from Chad's former marriage. THAT in and of itself would have been a motive to remove both children and go for some kind of custody in Baker to have leverage prior to the impending hearing back then.

I really hoped for that to be the truth and IF BY CHANCE the Cummings side esd hoping the same, just imagine when the CS was finally paid up and still no HALEIGH.:crying: That must have been an even lower level of despair for all of the Cummings family. JMO

:wub:BRING HALEIGH HOME TO HER FAMILY!

[CANDYKISSES]

How would Crystal know best where to search? She lives 100 miles away! The best people to offer valuable information are those who were directly involved and live in the area. I can not even begin to imagine how you could so easily discount Tim Miller as a liar and believe Ron and Misty.

Tell all that to LE, as I can remember them bringing Crystal down to the woods to show her a few things as well as a time when she and Marie gave conflicting statements as to whether Crystal had been inside the home of Ronald Cummings at the time.

I won't call Tim Miller a liar, but I know he is human and can act with emotion at times. I base that on his previous time on the Holloway case, and his humanistic behavior displayed concerning the person he felt responsible for Laura's murder. It's just like the human admission by Nancy last night when she stated she would have acted just like Ronald did if she was calling about a missing child of her own (paraphrased). All of these people are human and know you can't predict behavior with accuracy when it comes to missing children and any possible crimes that may have been committed against the fragile little people of our society IMOO.

:wub:BRING HALEIGH HOME.

[aproudmom]

IIRC Tim M had to be in Orlando over Monster Mom Anthony I am not sure if it is the same days he ask them if they would like to get away for a few days...but I am starting to wonder if perhaps TM was not trying to gain some trust and BINGO he must have he seemed to get more out of her than anyone else here lately..or maybe LE knew about it or ask him know matter what no one can say he is not out there looking for Haleigh so thumbsup to TM and TES and if you look he had to get a lawyer for 1 reason to protect the identity of the searchers in Caylee's case which is the Anthony's ex lawyer who left them/or they fired believe who you want they would NOT take his advice to shut their mouths and stop bashing everyone and not helping in locating caylee he even paid the man that found their granddaughter while they were to busy throwing him under the bus instead of thanking him for bringing caylee home at least...the phones well if RC was worried about having his phone tapped and a GPS so that is why they did not want to take them my question is WHY why would he care is someone following them? and if so who gives a rats A$$ are they not allowed to leave that county? TIA if anyone can let me know why that is a big deal....:confused:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=immersiveplayer&maven_referralPlaylistId=e91276d17ee6ae4cc3bcd3da8 b1d0b7d36168356&maven_referralObject=1231596480

[CANDYKISSES]

:confused: Need more coffee????????????

[Justice4all]

Ron and his attorney meeting with LE tomorrow to discuss phone records and other "things"

Things are heating up, folks.

http://www.news4jax.com/video/20657559/index.html

thanks for the link....so i guess it was a load of bull stuff when people were saying he wasn't working with LE.......

[Scampi]

I do not think you are suggesting that Tim Miller is the liar, but for the sake of responding I will pretend you do. In order for me to believe that Tim Miller could possibly be lying would mean that I would have to believe that he has a sinister stake in this. That this was premeditated on his part and self serving. That his actions now contradict every selfless act that he is known for. I simply can not even begin to venture into a realm that makes any of that believable. It just way too out there!


I agree je t'aime, it is patently absurd for anyone to think Tim Miller is the liar here. cummings and misty have made a huge mistake with these ridiculous accusations against Mr. Miller.

Reminds me of when george and cindy anthony said some very ugly things about Mr. Miller, the public's view of them nosedived. The same thing will happen here, imo.

The public is not stupid, the recent actions of cummings and misty are disturbing. IMO.

[Themis]

thanks for the link....so i guess it was a load of bull stuff when people were saying he wasn't working with LE.......
I'm confused, Justice. I assume by your use of 'he' you mean Ron C.
What is it in the video that prompted you to post what you have?

All I heard is the TV reporter saying that Ron C. and his new attorney, Terry Shoemaker, are meeting tomorrow with L.E. to discuss phone records and other things.

Perhaps I missed something; what did you hear?

[Justice4all]

I agree je t'aime, it is patently absurd for anyone to think Tim Miller is the liar here. cummings and misty have made a huge mistake with these ridiculous accusations against Mr. Miller.

Reminds me of when george and cindy anthony said some very ugly things about Mr. Miller, the public's view of them nosedived. The same thing will happen here, imo.

The public is not stupid, the recent actions of cummings and misty are disturbing. IMO.

cummings? do you mean Ron or his whole family?

if you are talking about Ron well his recent actions have been nothing more then to find his daughter. I think he made that perfectly clear last night with NG.

NG even admitted she doesn't think Misty's covering for Ron or anyone else.

[aproudmom]

thanks for the link....so i guess it was a load of bull stuff when people were saying he wasn't working with LE.......

what phone records? after 6 months:confused: lol they tried to get out with a couple of women to get misty out of the lawyers office did not work...lol sorry had to laugh
http://www.news4jax.com/video/20657559/index.html

[Justice4all]

I'm confused, Justice. I assume by your use of 'he' you mean Ron C.
What is it in the video that prompted you to post what you have?

All I heard is the TV reporter saying that Ron C. and his new attorney, Terry Shoemaker, are meeting tomorrow with L.E. to discuss phone records and other things.

Perhaps I missed something; what did you hear?

people have been saying for weeks on here that Ron C hasn't been talking to the LE and trying to help them...well i guess that's just a load of bull stuff.

I'm so glad Haleigh's back in the news so we know who's doing what.

I wonder who's phone records they are going to talk about. Some how i suspect they are going to open Ron's eyes to what all Misty was doing that night


moo

[Justice4all]

what phone records? after 6 months:confused: lol they tried to get out with a couple of women to get misty out of the lawyers office did not work...lol sorry had to laugh
http://www.news4jax.com/video/20657559/index.html

Yeah i find it odd they want to talk about phone records after six months. I suspect they are going to show Ron Misty's phone records. I loved how he asked people to call in and tell everything they know about the night Haleigh went missing no matter who it hurts. I think he's fully aware Misty knows more then she's telling.


moo

[HouseOfClark]

I believe there is a possibility she was behind this. She may not have been the one to kidnap Haleigh but I think it could have been done on her behalf.

Really? So when others voice similar beliefs about Ron, you always refer them to LE saying "he's not a suspect".

Yet they say the same thing about Crystal.

So which is it?

Should they both still be considered suspects?

[aproudmom]

cummings? do you mean Ron or his whole family?

if you are talking about Ron well his recent actions have been nothing more then to find his daughter. I think he made that perfectly clear last night with NG.

NG even admitted she doesn't think Misty's covering for Ron or anyone else.

Just in case I did not make my opinion clear when I was talking about it I mean R and M Cummings unless someone else starts mouthing.. this is JMO if RC can not say I know 100% Misty knows nothing then how dare he marry sleep and have his other child anywhere near her after 6 months if it was some set up to get her to talk well it ain't working...I am sorry if I had LE FBI and TES saying she knows more and is not telling all I would bust her not marry her...JMO

[Themis]

people have been saying for weeks on here that Ron C hasn't been talking to the LE and trying to help them...well i guess that's just a load of bull stuff.

I'm so glad Haleigh's back in the news so we know who's doing what.

I wonder who's phone records they are going to talk about. Some how i suspect they are going to open Ron's eyes to what all Misty was doing that night

moo
Oh .. OK, Justice; now I understand what you meant.
However, the fact that he and his new criminal defense attorney, T. Shoemaker, are going to meet with L.E. tomorrow to go over phone records and other things is no proof that Ron C. has met with L.E. recently or regularly.
The pro bono attorneys who represented Ron C. for a while, to the best of my knowledge, never mentioned actually meeting with L.E. or actually setting up a meeting with L.E. to talk with Ron C.

So it could have been a few weeks, several weeks, or even a few months since Ron C. has sat down with L.E. to talk about anything. KWIM?

Guess what will ultimately satisfy all posters is if Ron C. pulls out his day planner and L.E. shares their appointment log with us.:wink:
[JMO * Themis]

P.S. Oh, to be a fly on a wall in GGMS mobile home!

[HouseOfClark]

people have been saying for weeks on here that Ron C hasn't been talking to the LE and trying to help them...well i guess that's just a load of bull stuff.

I'm so glad Haleigh's back in the news so we know who's doing what.

I wonder who's phone records they are going to talk about. Some how i suspect they are going to open Ron's eyes to what all Misty was doing that night


moo

How do you infer that by meeting with LE tomorrow with a new attorney (today or the next few days) that Ron has been talking with LE all along?

He even said he cut off communication with them because of their "tunnel vision". And LE says that meetings with Ron have been "resisted".

I don't think that translates to it being a "load of bull stuff" that he hasn't been talking with LE.

JMO

[Scampi]

people have been saying for weeks on here that Ron C hasn't been talking to the LE and trying to help them...well i guess that's just a load of bull stuff.

I'm so glad Haleigh's back in the news so we know who's doing what.

I wonder who's phone records they are going to talk about. Some how i suspect they are going to open Ron's eyes to what all Misty was doing that night


moo


People have been correct in saying that. Only now is cummings supposedly skipping down to the police station, attorney in tow, to speak with LE. It's about time, imo.

[aproudmom]

Really? So when others voice similar beliefs about Ron, you always refer them to LE saying "he's not a suspect".

Yet they say the same thing about Crystal.

So which is it?

Should they both still be considered suspects?

I have not heard them say RC or CS was a suspect.:confused:

[Scampi]

How do you infer that by meeting with LE tomorrow with a new attorney (today or the next few days) that Ron has been talking with LE all along?

He even said he cut off communication with them because of their "tunnel vision". And LE says that meetings with Ron have been "resisted".

I don't think that translates to it being a "load of bull stuff" that he hasn't been talking with LE.

JMO

I hope when cummings gets to the police station, he finds an FBI agent there, sitting in on the questioning. It's a crime to lie to the FBI.

[ClimbingRose]

Yeah i find it odd they want to talk about phone records after six months. I suspect they are going to show Ron Misty's phone records. I loved how he asked people to call in and tell everything they know about the night Haleigh went missing no matter who it hurts. I think he's fully aware Misty knows more then she's telling.


moo

Goooood Morning Justice,

After going to that link it looks like I'm going to be banging my head against that wall some more. :w00t: is going on here? Ronald won't accept all those many LDT's given by separate persons and until someone can provide physical evidence he will continue to support his child bride 100%?

And coincidentally Ronald & Misty have now lawyered up? How did they find this particular lawyer group? And, where is the money coming from to pay them?

[Themis]

People have been correct in saying that. Only now is cummings supposedly skipping down to the police station, attorney in tow, to speak with LE. It's about time, imo.
Actually, I did not hear Ron C. or attorney T. Shoemaker say they were meeting with L.E. tomorrow.
I only heard the TV reporter, Diane Cho, say she was told by Shoemaker the meeting with F.D.L.E. was on for tomorrow.
But then I did not see the entire N. Grace TV show. [JMO * Themis]

[ClimbingRose]

I hope when cummings gets to the police station, he finds an FBI agent there, sitting in on the questioning. It's a crime to lie to the FBI.

I'll bring snacks and umbrellas just in case.

[ClimbingRose]

Actually, I did not hear Ron C. or attorney T. Shoemaker say they were meeting with L.E. tomorrow.
I only heard the TV reporter, Diane Cho, say she was told by Shoemaker the meeting with F.D.L.E. was on for tomorrow.
But then I did not see the entire N. Grace TV show. [JMO * Themis]

Let me just slide on over there and have a lil peak and if I see Ms. Nancy I'll just chit chat for a moment(or two)

[HouseOfClark]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=144221&catid=3

Why are Ron and Misty so paranoid about the phones?

Miller said, "No it's false. Ron was afraid to talk on their cell phones because Ron said his phone was tapped and Misty's phone was tapped, everybody's phone was tapped. He said it won't do any good to get away because it's a Nextel phone with GPS on it."

Ronald Cummings told Clark, "My understanding is [Miller] did not want us to be tracked, I don't know if we were being tracked by the FBI. I don't know."

[Themis]

Let me just slide on over there and have a lil peak and if I see Ms. Nancy I'll just chit chat for a moment(or two)
Please do, Climbing Rose! I would really like to know if Ron C. or attorney T. Shoemaker committed publicly -- on air -- that they are meeting with FDLE to go over phone records and other things. You can put me down for tea; sweet tea, of course. [JMO * Themis]

[Themis]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=144221&catid=3

Why are Ron and Misty so paranoid about the phones?
H.O.C., I agree with you. And why would Tim Miller care if any L.E. agency knew he was taking RC and MC to Orlando?
The newlyweds can go anywhere they want to. They can even leave the country as long as their passports are current.

[aproudmom]

I give up this case is way to sad I just hope they find the baby I don't know who did it or why Misty can not get it straight...all I know it has been 6 months and nothing are they any closer IMO NO...:crying:

In the months since Haleigh was last seen, investigators have said Cummings and Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, are not considered suspects.

On Friday afternoon, Putnam Sheriff's Maj. Gary Bowling weighed his words carefully in describing his agency's view of Croslin-Cummings' situation."No, I don't think we consider her a suspect," Bowling said. "We factually know that she is consistently inconsistent and we need some factual exactness about her activities the night before Haleigh disappeared until the morning when she was reported missing."

The firm was established nearly 10 years ago to assist in searches, especially after local law enforcement agencies are unable to sustain a search. Miller said Haleigh's family reached out to his firm "because they didn't think enough was being done to find her."

Croslin-Cummings then asked for something specific -- assistance clearing her name so that the search could focus on Haleigh, not on rumors about her, Miller said. She said she did not trust the cops and asked me if she could take a lie detector test or something," Miller said. "I told her that was out of the realm of what we did, but this was something that she felt would be helpful, and so we arranged it. This is the first time I have ever been put in a position like this. It has ended with Misty (Croslin-Cummings) not speaking to us. "

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090828/ARTICLES/908289905/1003/NEWS04?Title=New-search-for-Haleigh-may-come-Saturday#

[titanfan217]

Greetings ProudMom

I'm much like you in your thinking. Have gone from OMG that poor young couple when I first heard about it. However, from the early days of televised interviews with Greta V. S., etc. my hinker meter starting chiming real loud.

Yes, Misty is accusing Tommy (formal name is Hank, Jr.) of molesting her. Yes, Tommy, his 2 sons, and I believe his daughter also, were over at the Cummings mobile home between 5 PM and about 5:45 PM on Monday, 2-9.

I do not remember ever having read or seen anyone state Misty has been given a drug test -- either back on 2-10 or at any time since.
That, of course, does not mean she has not been given one just that I do not remember hearing or reading about it.

[JMO * Themis] Another Night Owl

I'm wondering now if Tommy was anywhere near that MH, and another late thought was -- people seem to think that he was called in about what he may have done, but maybe it was more about what his sister had done.

[CANDYKISSES]

cummings? do you mean Ron or his whole family?

if you are talking about Ron well his recent actions have been nothing more then to find his daughter. I think he made that perfectly clear last night with NG.

NG even admitted she doesn't think Misty's covering for Ron or anyone else.

I can't seem to find a quote with Ronald Cummings calling Tim Miller a liar. Do you have such a quote or is this all being blown out of proportion once again? :confused:

That post about Caylee, George, Cindy and Casey and how it applied to Haleigh was equally as riddled IMO. How can anyone seriously want civil debate when there is nothing short of a witch hunt for Ronald Cummings by some? LE comes out and says he is not a suspect and it only fuels the fire for those who have a desire for RC to be guilty of some heinous crime against his daughter. Go figure. :thumbdown: jmo

[titanfan217]

I believe your views are shared by others on this message board, ProudMom.
In spite of statements being made by RC and MC in recent days that this is all about Haleigh, Haleigh being returned safely, or Haleigh being recovered, it is just not coming through that way to me. They can say those things to reporters or TV anchors but the words come across as empty words.

BTW, you have mail.

Absolutely, they really worked hard to keep her name in the spotlight for several months --- not.

[ClimbingRose]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=144221&catid=3

Why are Ron and Misty so paranoid about the phones?


Hmm...is this the same TM that searches for missing person? or Is he the one who moozied on over to the Croslin's and asked them to drop the charge's against Ronald?:w00t:

[JD1974]

From that report .. Misty Cummings said, "[Miller] called on the phone and said 'I'm going to take you to Orlando to get you away because your days are numbered.' And I said okay."


LOL can we be realistic here? Who is going away with anybody who tells you your days are numbered

Being realistic..imo her days ARE numbered....

[CANDYKISSES]

I give up this case is way to sad I just hope they find the baby I don't know who did it or why Misty can not get it straight...all I know it has been 6 months and nothing are they any closer IMO NO...:crying:

In the months since Haleigh was last seen, investigators have said Cummings and Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, are not considered suspects.

On Friday afternoon, Putnam Sheriff's Maj. Gary Bowling weighed his words carefully in describing his agency's view of Croslin-Cummings' situation."No, I don't think we consider her a suspect," Bowling said. "We factually know that she is consistently inconsistent and we need some factual exactness about her activities the night before Haleigh disappeared until the morning when she was reported missing."

SNIPPED for response.
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090828/ARTICLES/908289905/1003/NEWS04?Title=New-search-for-Haleigh-may-come-Saturday#

So where are all the people Picazio had lined up to go in and tell LE where Misty was that night? Are they just as reliable as those who would provide DCF and LE with the abuse facts? Why wouldn't that allow LE to get a better time line on Misty? Was it all lies and propaganda to help make Picazio, Cobra and anyone else who came to town for the show? :confused:
JMO

[titanfan217]

I have not heard them say RC or CS was a suspect.:confused:

I definitely don't think CS is a suspect, and is probably really close to being cleared. I've heard nothing to indicate that she is "keeping the enemy closed" or in denial about her significant partner.

As far as RC, while he's not a suspect either though neither is Misty, I've yet to hear LE say that he is cleared.

[Viva4Haleigh]

People have been correct in saying that. Only now is cummings supposedly skipping down to the police station, attorney in tow, to speak with LE. It's about time, imo.

Interesting- so they want to talk to him about cell phone records-

interesting.

[CANDYKISSES]

Hmm...is this the same TM that searches for missing person? or Is he the one who moozied on over to the Croslin's and asked them to drop the charge's against Ronald?:w00t:

You have to pick and choose what you want to believe and make it fit your theory on what really happened regarding the disappearance of Haleigh Cummings IMO.

No room for human behavior or emotion to enter the picture IYKWIM. JMO:sad: I will not disrespect Tim and I know his heart to be true to the victims, but we are all human and have emotions. Searching the NH case will reveal some of the human frailties I have seen in Tim Miller not to mention the case of his daughter Laura. He has paid his dues and then some IMOO. :wub: His interest is founded on bringing Haleigh home to her family from my POV.

[titanfan217]

Goooood Morning Justice,

After going to that link it looks like I'm going to be banging my head against that wall some more. :w00t: is going on here? Ronald won't accept all those many LDT's given by separate persons and until someone can provide physical evidence he will continue to support his child bride 100%?

And coincidentally Ronald & Misty have now lawyered up? How did they find this particular lawyer group? And, where is the money coming from to pay them?

Guess the part that the LE said that physical evidence does not match Misty's story(ies) did get through that thick skull.

[titanfan217]

Please do, Climbing Rose! I would really like to know if Ron C. or attorney T. Shoemaker committed publicly -- on air -- that they are meeting with FDLE to go over phone records and other things. You can put me down for tea; sweet tea, of course. [JMO * Themis]

It was late when I heard it, but I do believe it was the announcer. Guess, we'll know more later today -- or not.

[ClimbingRose]

I can't seem to find a quote with Ronald Cummings calling Tim Miller a liar. Do you have such a quote or is this all being blown out of proportion once again? :confused:

That post about Caylee, George, Cindy and Casey and how it applied to Haleigh was equally as riddled IMO. How can anyone seriously want civil debate when there is nothing short of a witch hunt for Ronald Cummings by some? LE comes out and says he is not a suspect and it only fuels the fire for those who have a desire for RC to be guilty of some heinous crime against his daughter. Go figure. :thumbdown: jmo


I'm going to respond to your comment this morning just once and afterwards suggest some utilize the skip n roll option.

You continue to insult those of us who focus on the many elements of this crime including those who were DIRECTLY involved the night Haleigh disappeared. Because we choose to suspect everyone until proven otherwise we're on a witch hunt? It's completely above our capabilities to carry a civil debate b/c we refuse to live in utopia where all is perfect and complete unless someone is actually convicted of a crime? You are entitled to throw around the superiority complex b/c why? Please be considerate and yes, respectful of the opinion's by other posters. We do live in a society that is founded on democracy which allows all to have his/her own opinion.

[aproudmom]

This made me cry.:crying:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afRUJHnps94&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fscaredmonkeys%2Enet%2Findex%2Eph p%3Ftopic%3D5881%2E0&feature=player_embedded#t=390
Come home soon, i miss
you terribly, i truly do i miss
you so much i don't know what
to do

The house is not the same without
you, your bed is empty i need you
i miss you my body aches for you
, so please come
through our front door

I lay awake at night wondering
Are you safe? Are you
OK Come home soon, i miss you

[Themis]

It was late when I heard it, but I do believe it was the announcer. Guess, we'll know more later today -- or not.
Yep, I did not hear Ron C. or attorney T. Shoemaker say they were meeting with L.E. tomorrow in the link below.

I only heard the TV reporter, Diane Cho, say she was told by Shoemaker the meeting with F.D.L.E. was on for tomorrow.
It is on the video and one of the last (if not THE last) things Cho said.

http://www.news4jax.com/video/20657559/index.html

[aproudmom]

I can't seem to find a quote with Ronald Cummings calling Tim Miller a liar. Do you have such a quote or is this all being blown out of proportion once again? :confused:

That post about Caylee, George, Cindy and Casey and how it applied to Haleigh was equally as riddled IMO. How can anyone seriously want civil debate when there is nothing short of a witch hunt for Ronald Cummings by some? LE comes out and says he is not a suspect and it only fuels the fire for those who have a desire for RC to be guilty of some heinous crime against his daughter. Go figure. :thumbdown: jmo

really CK I think as many of us who have followed this case from day one which I know I will never forget because it so happened to be on a day many were watching little Caylee's memorial..we all just want the truth will we get it I sure hope so is it a witch hunt No not on my part do I want answers YES as all of us do I come here and read I used to post only on this thread until it got pro mom or pro dad and I did not want to disrespect others opinions and never mean to...I just want Haleigh home as all of you...but I respect others as long as they respect me and my opinion...

[Viva4Haleigh]

GRACE: Liz, please put Ronald on screen for me. Ronald, what do you make of Misty flunking a polygraph?

CUMMINGS: I don`t know anything about her flunking a polygraph. I know what`s been said about it, but I`m not a polygrapher myself so I didn`t see any results. I didn`t -- you know, I was told by the polygrapher who did the polygraph that it`s not judged in percentages, that a polygraph is either a failed or a pass, not in percentages.

GRACE: Well, OK. Let`s take what you know, that you either fail it or you pass it. Well, according to these reports, she flunked it -- I mean, royally flunked it. And that`s got to concern you.

CUMMINGS: Well, until I see more physical proof of what`s going on, Miss Nancy, there`s -- my concerns are still on keeping Haleigh`s face on the TV and being sure that she is found and whoever has done this to her or -- is put away.

GRACE: OK, Ronald, I understand that you want to keep Haleigh`s face out there, and we are doing that. But I know you and I do not believe you are not concerned about a report that your wife flunked a polygraph. It would concern me.

TERRY SHOEMAKER, ATTORNEY FOR RONALD CUMMINGS: Nancy, if I might? You know, of course Ronald`s concerned about a lot of things going on right now, but I think the main thing he`s concerned about is making sure that Haleigh is found. And you know, again, we`d like to thank you for keeping Haleigh in the spotlight and making sure everyone continues to look for her and helping us every way you possibly can. But we`re more concerned with that aspect, rather than whether or not Misty may or may not have done well on a polygraph.

GRACE: You know, Mr. Shoemaker, you have an excellent reputation. And what you just said does not make one ounce of sense. Of course, you want her picture out there. Of course, you want the help of the media. But for the last person known to have seen Haleigh alive to have reportedly flunked a polygraph, how you can suggest that is not a major concern -- you want to find her? You want to find Haleigh? Then find out why Misty reportedly flunked a polygraph. Gentlemen, does that not make sense to you?

Ronald Cummings, I would like to hear it from you.

CUMMINGS: Nancy, what you`re saying makes perfect sense to me. But why is law enforcement -- I`m not law enforcement. I can`t interfere with their investigation. I can`t do anything about a polygraph or...

GRACE: Well, what is she telling you, Ronald? What is she telling you? I mean, she took that police polygraph. I don`t believe she passed it the first time. I don`t believe she did. Now this one. Then there was that voice stress test. I mean, something is wrong with her story, Ronald.

CUMMINGS: I don`t know, Miss Nancy.


:rolleyes:


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0908/31/ng.01.html

[aproudmom]

I believe your views are shared by others on this message board, ProudMom.
In spite of statements being made by RC and MC in recent days that this is all about Haleigh, Haleigh being returned safely, or Haleigh being recovered, it is just not coming through that way to me. They can say those things to reporters or TV anchors but the words come across as empty words.

BTW, you have mail.

sorry dear I see I got mail...and I agree the media has ways of twisting things could you tell after I read what the LE said that they did not consider misty a suspect either I just wanted to say the heck with it they are never going to find this baby...not that I want it to be any one who knew her I just wish they had something...

[Pat]

Have we ever seen, in print or on video, an explanation of exactly who released Misty's tests results, or what precipitated it?

And other than Steph Watt's claim she failed 3/4 others, has LE ever verified this?

IMO, this was a misstep by Tim Miller, IF he, and not someone else, was responsible for this, and I don't understand why it was done. I also don't understand why the video of the tests were released. He seems perplexed over the fact Misty is no longer speaking to him, but I honestly don't understand why he would be surprised. He says she wanted his help in clearing her name, he had her take those tests, and then announced in very descriptive language that she "failed". How did he think she would react to his making this public? Again, IMO, if he was trying to establish a trusting relationship with Ron and Misty, releasing those test results put a clear stop to that. If Hank, Sr. is to be believed (and I certainly question his veracity), Tim went so far as to ask Tommy (Hank, Jr) to drop the charges against Ron. Why? By that time the damage had been done as far as Ron and Misty go.

IF, and again I say IF, the time comes and it is discovered Misty was in no way involved with the disappearence of HaLeigh, what then?

And in case anyone wants to skewer me for my questions, if you've bothered to read my posts, you know how I feel about Misty. My questions have to do with tactics and who released what, not the guilt or innocence of anyone.

[ClimbingRose]

Just in case I did not make my opinion clear when I was talking about it I mean R and M Cummings unless someone else starts mouthing.. this is JMO if RC can not say I know 100% Misty knows nothing then how dare he marry sleep and have his other child anywhere near her after 6 months if it was some set up to get her to talk well it ain't working...I am sorry if I had LE FBI and TES saying she knows more and is not telling all I would bust her not marry her...JMO



Music to my soul and to a child who has no voice.

[Viva4Haleigh]

Interesting- always thought she was in bed by 10pm?

GRACE: What time did she go to bed?

CUMMINGS: Approximately 10:30, 11:00.

GRACE: At 10:30, 11:00. At that time, was little Haleigh in the bed asleep with the brother?

CUMMINGS: Yes.

GRACE: And they all slept together in the same bed, correct?

CUMMINGS: Yes.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0908/31/ng.01.html

[ClimbingRose]

Have we ever seen, in print or on video, an explanation of exactly who released Misty's tests results, or what precipitated it?

And other than Steph Watt's claim she failed 3/4 others, has LE ever verified this?

IMO, this was a misstep by Tim Miller, IF he, and not someone else, was responsible for this, and I don't understand why it was done. I also don't understand why the video of the tests were released. He seems perplexed over the fact Misty is no longer speaking to him, but I honestly don't understand why he would be surprised. He says she wanted his help in clearing her name, he had her take those tests, and then announced in very descriptive language that she "failed". How did he think she would react to his making this public? Again, IMO, if he was trying to establish a trusting relationship with Ron and Misty, releasing those test results put a clear stop to that. If Hank, Sr. is to be believed (and I certainly question his veracity), Tim went so far as to ask Tommy (Hank, Jr) to drop the charges against Ron. Why? By that time the damage had been done as far as Ron and Misty go.

IF, and again I say IF, the time comes and it is discovered Misty was in no way involved with the disappearance of HaLeigh, what then?

And in case anyone wants to skewer me for my questions, if you've bothered to read my posts, you know how I feel about Misty. My questions have to do with tactics and who released what, not the guilt or innocence of anyone.

Pat, I've had similar concerns about the way TM and NeJame's have placed themselves in this mess. My fear is that NeJame's has tarnished the respectability and credibility of an organization such as TM's and this is sad.

[Scampi]

I can't seem to find a quote with Ronald Cummings calling Tim Miller a liar. Do you have such a quote or is this all being blown out of proportion once again? :confused:

That post about Caylee, George, Cindy and Casey and how it applied to Haleigh was equally as riddled IMO. How can anyone seriously want civil debate when there is nothing short of a witch hunt for Ronald Cummings by some? LE comes out and says he is not a suspect and it only fuels the fire for those who have a desire for RC to be guilty of some heinous crime against his daughter. Go figure. :thumbdown: jmo

Many find cumming's recent conflicting statements very
disturbing. The story keeps changing and in my view, the truth does not change. That is why people are suspicious of cummings, imo.

Hopefully, he does go to the police today, and answers every question they put to him honestly.

imo.

[CANDYKISSES]

Many find cumming's recent conflicting statements very
disturbing. The story keeps changing and in my view, the truth does not change. That is why people are suspicious of cummings, imo.

Hopefully, he does go to the police today, and answers every question they put to him honestly.

imo.

Why does LE say otherwise about Ronald Cummings? I don't think anyone here wants Mr. Cummings to refuse to speak to LE, but maybe I'm wrong on that.

[Scampi]

Have we ever seen, in print or on video, an explanation of exactly who released Misty's tests results, or what precipitated it?

And other than Steph Watt's claim she failed 3/4 others, has LE ever verified this?

IMO, this was a misstep by Tim Miller, IF he, and not someone else, was responsible for this, and I don't understand why it was done. I also don't understand why the video of the tests were released. He seems perplexed over the fact Misty is no longer speaking to him, but I honestly don't understand why he would be surprised. He says she wanted his help in clearing her name, he had her take those tests, and then announced in very descriptive language that she "failed". How did he think she would react to his making this public? Again, IMO, if he was trying to establish a trusting relationship with Ron and Misty, releasing those test results put a clear stop to that. If Hank, Sr. is to be believed (and I certainly question his veracity), Tim went so far as to ask Tommy (Hank, Jr) to drop the charges against Ron. Why? By that time the damage had been done as far as Ron and Misty go.

IF, and again I say IF, the time comes and it is discovered Misty was in no way involved with the disappearence of HaLeigh, what then?

And in case anyone wants to skewer me for my questions, if you've bothered to read my posts, you know how I feel about Misty. My questions have to do with tactics and who released what, not the guilt or innocence of anyone.

If this is a misstep, it's the best misstep of all time, because it has cummings and misty talking. Perhaps even getting cummings to go down to the police station to answer all LE's questions and actually cooperate in finding his daughter.

I believe Tim did what he did, under the direction of his attorney, Mr. Nejame, and I am very glad he did it. IMO.

[Themis]

sorry dear I see I got mail...and I agree the media has ways of twisting things could you tell after I read what the LE said that they did not consider misty a suspect either I just wanted to say the heck with it they are never going to find this baby...not that I want it to be any one who knew her I just wish they had something...
I think some of the confusion is over the use of the words:
"person of interest" versus "suspect" by L.E.
I do not claim to completely understand the definitions specifically with respect to the law but found this article which helped me.
You might find it a worthwhile read, too, ProudMom.

ttp://www.nowpublic.com/craig_stebic_person_interest_or_suspect

So, don't give up all hope for Haleigh, whether she can be found alive and well but hidden by supremely cruel people and her sad recovery.

[ClimbingRose]

No way, no one can take away all the good TES has done by this.

And I would hope his organization will respond in such manner that removes or resolves any doubts of their noble cause. I have much respect for this group, however, their behavior in this fiasco has caused a moment of pause on my part.

[Viva4Haleigh]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=144221&catid=3

From this video link- jeez, how arrogant are these two? They think she passed? Didn't Ron state last night he is no polygraph expert? She was hitting 99 percent deceptive, jeez-

Toss them in jail and throw away the key already, this quasi Bonnie and Clyde-

jmo

[titanfan217]

If this is a misstep, it's the best misstep of all time, because it has cummings and misty talking. Perhaps even getting cummings to go down to the police station to answer all LE's questions and actually cooperate in finding his daughter.

I believe Tim did what he did, under the direction of his attorney, Mr. Nejame, and I am very glad he did it. IMO.

And remember, any of the questionable things that he may have done, were told to us by someone who flunked not 1, but 3 tests about the truth with flying colors.

[Viva4Haleigh]

If this is a misstep, it's the best misstep of all time, because it has cummings and misty talking. Perhaps even getting cummings to go down to the police station to answer all LE's questions and actually cooperate in finding his daughter.

I believe Tim did what he did, under the direction of his attorney, Mr. Nejame, and I am very glad he did it. IMO.

I am too- I dont care if some want to act like this somehow tarnishes all the good Tim Miller ever did- this was just another good act, it got the ball rolling, it got the heat back on Misty, it got Haleigh in NG-

This was a calculated move, and a brilliant one- NeJame is no dummy- I am not shocked that people that are pro Ron and Misty are up in arms-

jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

I'm going to respond to your comment this morning just once and afterwards suggest some utilize the skip n roll option.

You continue to insult those of us who focus on the many elements of this crime including those who were DIRECTLY involved the night Haleigh disappeared. Because we choose to suspect everyone until proven otherwise we're on a witch hunt? It's completely above our capabilities to carry a civil debate b/c we refuse to live in utopia where all is perfect and complete unless someone is actually convicted of a crime? You are entitled to throw around the superiority complex b/c why? Please be considerate and yes, respectful of the opinion's by other posters. We do live in a society that is founded on democracy which allows all to have his/her own opinion.

Do you really believe you need to suggest what others do on this forum? WOW, JUST WOW....

Next, I am not here to discuss politics and whether or not our right to democracy is being eroded, but will say there is a fine line between slandering another human being and voicing an opinion.

Is there a quote where Ronald Cummings calls Tim Miller a liar, or is that simply an assumption because they see things differently right now was we are being told? I can remember plenty of misunderstandings in another case where Tim helped and they always seemed to be ironed out. IF there is such a quote, I would like to see it.

It's very much like when two different people watch and recap a show here and the summaries are different IMO. Carry on. :thumbup:

[CANDYKISSES]

LE has not said anything about Ron's recent conflicting comments. I am not sure what you are talking about.

My comment was in regard to Scampi's suspicions of RC and LE has stated he is not a suspect in the case of his missing daughter.

[Themis]

Interesting- always thought she was in bed by 10pm?

GRACE: What time did she go to bed?

CUMMINGS: Approximately 10:30, 11:00.

GRACE: At 10:30, 11:00. At that time, was little Haleigh in the bed asleep with the brother?

CUMMINGS: Yes.

GRACE: And they all slept together in the same bed, correct?

CUMMINGS: Yes.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0908/31/ng.01.html

HUH ?? !!
You mean Ron C. is back saying they all slept together in the same bed ?!

And Ron C. has now added another 30 to 60 minutes to Misty going to bed time?

That is astounding, IMO.

[Viva4Haleigh]

I agree, and I really believe that he only released the results after Misty and Ron decided they would not cooperate.

And they covered their behinds, they got her to write down she was taking it and she had contacted her lawyer, or whatever that hardly legible note said-

This girl is not smarter than expert polygraph administrators, I cant believe how brazen they are to claim they think she passed it, I just cant get over that-

I find it interesting that they are going to be questioned over phone records, no doubt in my mind there was a flurry of activity that night, I mean what else could it be? If there were no red flags about calls in some capacity, they wouldnt be down there for questioning about them.

I pray this is the day an arrest is made-

jmo

[Scampi]

My comment was in regard to Scampi's suspicions of RC and LE has stated he is not a suspect in the case of his missing daughter.

Yeah, what Je t'aime said! :angry:

[Viva4Haleigh]

HUH ?? !!
You mean Ron C. is back saying they all slept together in the same bed ?!

And Ron C. has now added another 30 to 60 minutes to Misty going to bed time?

That is astounding, IMO.

If I recall, this was from an early on video they were showing during the show, but at one point- this was HIS story-

jmo

[Viva4Haleigh]

Here we go-

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0908/31/ng.01.html

Last nights Nancy show.

[Viva4Haleigh]

Bringing this over-

And they covered their behinds, they got her to write down she was taking it and she had contacted her lawyer, or whatever that hardly legible note said-

This girl is not smarter than expert polygraph administrators, I cant believe how brazen they are to claim they think she passed it, I just cant get over that-

I find it interesting that they are going to be questioned over phone records, no doubt in my mind there was a flurry of activity that night, I mean what else could it be? If there were no red flags about calls in some capacity, they wouldnt be down there for questioning about them.

I pray this is the day an arrest is made-

jmo
__________________

[HouseOfClark]

Bringing this over-

And they covered their behinds, they got her to write down she was taking it and she had contacted her lawyer, or whatever that hardly legible note said-

This girl is not smarter than expert polygraph administrators, I cant believe how brazen they are to claim they think she passed it, I just cant get over that-

I find it interesting that they are going to be questioned over phone records, no doubt in my mind there was a flurry of activity that night, I mean what else could it be? If there were no red flags about calls in some capacity, they wouldnt be down there for questioning about them.

I pray this is the day an arrest is made-

jmo
__________________

And then she sits there with a (somewhat) straight face and claims she was blindsided by the request.

Unbelievable.

I guess it answers the question about whether Ron (or Misty) will continue to cooperate with Tim in his search for Haleigh. It also answers for me whose side Ron is really on. And it's not Haleigh's.

JMO

[Viva4Haleigh]

I think Ron looked medicated. Too much so to really gauge a real reaction but I agree he did look ready to snap, I could swear he actually squinted at one point with disdain but I am not sure. I did find his head tilting to be interesting and I found this about it.

http://changingminds.org/techniques/body/parts_body_language/head_body_language.htm

There was one part that gave me chills, Nancy asks him something, and he is like I don't know Miss Nancy, and he looks mad- I think they play that segment here- at 2:42

http://www.news4jax.com/video/20657559/index.html

[panache]

http://www.ocala.com/article/20090901/ARTICLES/909011006/1001/NEWS01?Title=Latest-efforts-in-search-for-missing-girl-prove-fruitless

[HouseOfClark]

http://www.ocala.com/article/20090901/ARTICLES/909011006/1001/NEWS01?Title=Latest-efforts-in-search-for-missing-girl-prove-fruitless

From your link:

"She's failed to account for her actions that evening," Greenwood said. "There's lots of holes in her statements. The things she said she was doing we verified she wasn't doing."

Little by little, it sounds like LE is getting fed up with Misty.

JMO

[Viva4Haleigh]

http://www.news4jax.com/video/20657559/index.html


Also bizarre from this link was his statement to whoever has her, return her, you dont deserve her- I notice how his eyes keep darting to the ground- its just totally odd- You know for a split second yesterday I was hoping Ronald was going to leave Misty, I thought he lawyered up and was not only getting a divorce but demanding answers from Misty- instead he is backing her up- now its Misty did pass the lie detectors, and Tim Miller is basically a liar when he states she failed it "miserably"

Unreal-

jmo

[panache]

Simon and TJ Hart will be doing a special segment at noon central time about the latest Haleigh developments. No calls will be allowed, but you can twitter TJ at SkyNews for your questions. I wasn't sure if the link is allowed here, but I'm sure most of you have both Sky's and Simons.

[W_D_1]

No, I dont think that he did talk to LE about Haleigh whatsoever during that time.


No link but yes he did. Police questioned him about the case while he was in jail. I can't find the article but it was mentioned in one last week.

[Pat]

You know what I don't understand? LE obviously feels very strongly Misty was not in the trailer. They can't make her admit she wasn't, they have no witnesses to prove she is lying. If they can't go through her, why can't they go around her?

When are they going to move away from the fact they aren't going to get any information from Misty and stop giving the impression they can't move forward with this case unless Misty cooperates? Will we still be hearing the same statements a year from now?

Sep 1, 2010: PCSO press release: No plans to search, Misty won't talk, can someone please come forward and tell them where Misty was that night, and what happened to HaLeigh?

So much drama...so little results. :sneaky:

[Viva4Haleigh]

No link but yes he did. Police questioned him about the case while he was in jail. I can't find the article but it was mentioned in one last week.

So basically it took for him to be under arrest to get questioned about Haleigh?

[titanfan217]

HUH ?? !!
You mean Ron C. is back saying they all slept together in the same bed ?!

And Ron C. has now added another 30 to 60 minutes to Misty going to bed time?

That is astounding, IMO.

Was that current or a replay? They did alot of replays last night.

[aproudmom]

No way, no one can take away all the good TES has done by this.

ITA with you je this will not harm TES

[titanfan217]

http://www.news4jax.com/video/20657559/index.html


Also bizarre from this link was his statement to whoever has her, return her, you dont deserve her- I notice how his eyes keep darting to the ground- its just totally odd- You know for a split second yesterday I was hoping Ronald was going to leave Misty, I thought he lawyered up and was not only getting a divorce but demanding answers from Misty- instead he is backing her up- now its Misty did pass the lie detectors, and Tim Miller is basically a liar when he states she failed it "miserably"

Unreal-

jmo

And of course those that gave her the tests are all liars too.

Guess the whole world is a liar, except for Misty and Ron.

[titanfan217]

So basically it took for him to be under arrest to get questioned about Haleigh?

iirc that was according to AH.

[W_D_1]

If I recall, this was from an early on video they were showing during the show, but at one point- this was HIS story-

jmo


No it wasn't. It was Misty's story that he was repeating.

[Viva4Haleigh]

And of course those that gave her the tests are all liars too.

Guess the whole world is a liar, except for Misty and Ron.

Its them against the world!

Now they think she did pass those tests, it is absurd- So now are they going to accuse them of rigging the results, or has she done that already?

They truly think they can outsmart anyone, imo.

jmo

[W_D_1]

iirc that was according to AH.


No it wasn't. It was in an article I read last week and I don't go to AH's site.

[Pat]

Does anyone really believe that Tim Miller would do the things Misty claimed?

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=articleplayer&maven_referralPlaylistId=playlist&maven_referralObject=1234645305

The only thing I don't understand, Grace, is why Tim went public with the test results using the verbiage he used. Or why the video of the results were made public. He could have just turned it all over to LE, and then come out with a statement if Misty went public with her dissatisfaction with what happened.

Misty agreed/asked to take the tests in order to clear herself. Releasing them to the public like it was done could be seen as a betrayal of that trust by both Misty and Ron.

She shouldn't have signed those releases...she obviously thought she'd pass. For whatever reasons she didn't, I don't think the release was handled well.

But that's my opinion and I realize there are many who disagree.

[Themis]

Was that current or a replay? They did alot of replays last night.
TitanFan, evidently that was a replay of a snippet from an old show interspersed with last nights show according to Viva's update. Unfortunately, when Viva used it upthread that fact was not pointed out so I took it as Ron C.'s statements made last night.

That is one of the reasons I no longer watch the Nancy G. show -- mixing old stuff with new info and rarely identifying them as such. Plus, she switches topics/cases back and forth; for me it becomes a jumble. I even find the transcripts difficult to follow. I'm sorry if anyone was led astray by my response to old news. [JMO * Themis]

[Tracian]

Have we ever seen, in print or on video, an explanation of exactly who released Misty's tests results, or what precipitated it?

And other than Steph Watt's claim she failed 3/4 others, has LE ever verified this?

IMO, this was a misstep by Tim Miller, IF he, and not someone else, was responsible for this, and I don't understand why it was done. I also don't understand why the video of the tests were released. He seems perplexed over the fact Misty is no longer speaking to him, but I honestly don't understand why he would be surprised. He says she wanted his help in clearing her name, he had her take those tests, and then announced in very descriptive language that she "failed". How did he think she would react to his making this public? Again, IMO, if he was trying to establish a trusting relationship with Ron and Misty, releasing those test results put a clear stop to that. If Hank, Sr. is to be believed (and I certainly question his veracity), Tim went so far as to ask Tommy (Hank, Jr) to drop the charges against Ron. Why? By that time the damage had been done as far as Ron and Misty go.

IF, and again I say IF, the time comes and it is discovered Misty was in no way involved with the disappearence of HaLeigh, what then?

And in case anyone wants to skewer me for my questions, if you've bothered to read my posts, you know how I feel about Misty. My questions have to do with tactics and who released what, not the guilt or innocence of anyone.


Pat, I have been wondering the same things. Why did Tim bring them to Orlando? Has he done this for other families?

[Viva4Haleigh]

Pat, I have been wondering the same things. Why did Tim bring them to Orlando? Has he done this for other families?

I thought one of the tests was in Orlando?

[W_D_1]

The only thing I don't understand, Grace, is why Tim went public with the test results using the verbiage he used. Or why the video of the results were made public. He could have just turned it all over to LE, and then come out with a statement if Misty went public with her dissatisfaction with what happened.

Misty agreed/asked to take the tests in order to clear herself. Releasing them to the public like it was done could be seen as a betrayal of that trust by both Misty and Ron.

She shouldn't have signed those releases...she obviously thought she'd pass. For whatever reasons she didn't, I don't think the release was handled well.

But that's my opinion and I realize there are many who disagree.

I wonder how the tapes being released would play into the Sunshine Law should Misty be arrested. Could that affect the police being able to use them as evidence?

[FrankieBones1]

HUH ?? !!
You mean Ron C. is back saying they all slept together in the same bed ?!

And Ron C. has now added another 30 to 60 minutes to Misty going to bed time?

That is astounding, IMO.
In this case, you can't go by the transcripts because it doesn't differentiate between old videos and live video. It can be very confusing if you didn't actually watch the show last night.

[FrankieBones1]

The only thing I don't understand, Grace, is why Tim went public with the test results using the verbiage he used. Or why the video of the results were made public. He could have just turned it all over to LE, and then come out with a statement if Misty went public with her dissatisfaction with what happened.

Misty agreed/asked to take the tests in order to clear herself. Releasing them to the public like it was done could be seen as a betrayal of that trust by both Misty and Ron.

She shouldn't have signed those releases...she obviously thought she'd pass. For whatever reasons she didn't, I don't think the release was handled well.

But that's my opinion and I realize there are many who disagree.
Actually, Pat...There are several here that agree with you. Great post.

[Themis]

In this case, you can't go by the transcripts because it doesn't differentiate between old videos and live video. It can be very confusing if you didn't actually watch the show last night.
Thank you, FrankieBones.:smile:
I hope I explained my confusion well enough in my post #203 up-thread.

[Viva4Haleigh]

I guess what struck me is the vast difference in what Misty says happened and what we heard from TM and Nejame. TM and Nejame say she contacted them and asked to take the tests to clear her name. Misty claims TM told her to fly to Orlando because "her days are numbered."

Altho I don't totally disagree with what you said about releasing the results, I can't believe that TM would intentionally set her up the way she claims he did.

MO

Yeah, why would Tim Miller set her up? She failed the tests, period, I believe Tim Miller. We also know TN called in TES, Misty pretty much had to cooperate, its the results that she cant handle- So what was Tim supposed to do, just sit on his hands and do nothing? This child led people to a heart sticking out of the ground- Thankfully he released what he had and got this moving again and got Haleigh back in the news-

And now Ron is still standing behind her! Does he want the truth or not? It sure does not seem like it to me- why wouldnt the very last person with your daughter who has failed all sorts of tests not bother you?

jmo

[FrankieBones1]

I can't seem to find a quote with Ronald Cummings calling Tim Miller a liar. Do you have such a quote or is this all being blown out of proportion once again? :confused:
((respectfully snipped)) jmoGood Morning, Candy. I don't think there is a link to the 'actual' quote but it may have come from one of those little known wannabe news sites or a blogger site. That's been such a problem with this case. Opinions based on rumors instead of fact or real knowledge. It was quite evident here last night. I do hope the families are not reading here.

In my humble and non assertive opinion.

[jakee]

Those tests were given a week ago and the tapes and results were just released. I think a lot happened in between and is the reason for Tim going public.

Doesn't Tim usually work alongside LE? I guess I don't understand why he would release these tapes without talking with LE first? I am confused. Probably a dumb question. :blushing:

[FrankieBones1]

I wonder how the tapes being released would play into the Sunshine Law should Misty be arrested. Could that affect the police being able to use them as evidence?

I imagine those would be inadmissible seeing that her lawyer wasn't present.

[aproudmom]

Does anyone really believe that Tim Miller would do the things Misty claimed?

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=articleplayer&maven_referralPlaylistId=playlist&maven_referralObject=1234645305

No I do not..just as he said No One has ever put him in that position..why would he lie he is not going to be writing a book or making a movie on the Cummings IMO

Is he not out looking for Haleigh even after being called a liar that is what he does..they do not like to call off searches they have a wonderful team of people IIRC is TM Lawyer sorry can not thing of his name Mark something helping pay for this search? I thought I heard that I was actually wondering how it was being funded since they had to pretty much call off any searches outside of TEXAS IMO..

http://texasequusearch.org/

[Viva4Haleigh]

Maybe LE did know he was going to release it.

I do think LE said they were not surprised by his findings- jmo

[jakee]

Maybe LE did know he was going to release it.

That is what I am wondering, some sort of plan.

Thank you for replying.

[aproudmom]

Maybe LE did know he was going to release it.

I am wondering if they did not know before it ever happened but it is the Sunshine law right so could Media get it once it was given to any lawyers? TM turned it over to LE before anyone

[W_D_1]

I imagine those would be inadmissible seeing that her lawyer wasn't present.


I'mnot sure about that since she signed a waiver.

[Themis]

Yeah, why would Tim Miller set her up? She failed the tests, period, I believe Tim Miller. We also know TN called in TES, Misty pretty much had to cooperate, its the results that she cant handle- So what was Tim supposed to do, just sit on his hands and do nothing? This child led people to a heart sticking out of the ground- Thankfully he released what he had and got this moving again and got Haleigh back in the news-

And now Ron is still standing behind her! Does he want the truth or not? It sure does not seem like it to me- why wouldnt the very last person with your daughter who has failed all sorts of tests not bother you?

jmo
According to Ron's new attorney, Terry Shoemaker, Ron stands behind his wife 100%. So, I guess RC is on the record.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/20648199/detail.html

I can't but wonder if T.N. and GGMS are still standing behind Misty 100%. I have not heard either of them make public statements since last week's revelations.
What if one of these two women continues to back Misty and Ron and the other one doesn't?
Wouldn't that pit mother and daughter against one another? :ohmy:
[JMO * Themis]

[AmndaRcknwth]

I'm not caught up...

Ron and Misty are now calling Tim Miller and the people who administered her tests liars?

And she thinks she passed?

And Ronald is defending her?

And people are still defending him?

[Pat]

I wonder how the tapes being released would play into the Sunshine Law should Misty be arrested. Could that affect the police being able to use them as evidence?

Those tests were done by a private individual and wouldn't have been able to be released to LE unless Tim Miller turned them over (which I don't have a problem with, BTW).

I don't think any of them can be used as "evidence" by LE, from what I've been reading.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Those tests were done by a private individual and wouldn't have been able to be released to LE unless Tim Miller turned them over (which I don't have a problem with, BTW).

I don't think any of them can be used as "evidence" by LE, from what I've been reading.


I don't think they were ever meant to be evidence. I think that before committing resources, TES needed to get more clarity in this mess.

And turn up the heat.

And it did.


Now we see clearly that Misty knows what happened to Haleigh that night.

Ron stands behind her.

That means he is calling them liars. No words needed.

[W_D_1]

LE secured them by warrant or subpoena.


No they didn't. They were going to but Tim gave them to LE before they got a subpeona.

[Viva4Haleigh]

I'm not caught up...

Ron and Misty are now calling Tim Miller and the people who administered her tests liars?

And she thinks she passed?

And Ronald is defending her?

And people are still defending him?

I am sure he just loves his wife so much the thought of losing her is too great- I dont know-

Yes, she thinks she passed, Ron is defending her, and he does not think she is inconsistent-

It really is mind blowing that they think they are smarter than everyone, because I think they think that, I was shocked Ron went on Miss Nancys show, but he did terrible- He says he needs to see more evidence or something that Misty is lying-

jmo

[jimbob]

:sad:Well Mr. JB, if the child did indeed say such a thing without coaching and you believe Misty had another man in Ronald (King of the forest) Cummings home on his sofa with her......then it might seem logical to think Haleigh could have gotten up and been a threat to the safety of one or more. But, you would have to believe the LE in this case are lying about RC KofF not being a suspect, and that Misty must have done something to silence Haleigh or the mysterious man (not so much of a stranger) took control of that. JMO:unsure:

Thank you CK , i asked as id watched a trutv show the other night where very early on a child around the same age had described seeing something which was discounted for a long time.
Finally when it all came out it turned out what the child had described was exactly what had occured.
This was also a toddler and it occured in the dead of night.I cant imagine this child (Jr) was coached to say that as it flys directly in the face of what Misty claims.

[Pat]

I'mnot sure about that since she signed a waiver.

panache posted a link the other day about if, when, and how polygraphs can be used in court. Misty would have had to agree for them to be used in court for them to be presented as evidence in a jurisdiction where they are even allowed. Most states won't allow them, regardless, and presenting the results in a trial can be grounds to immediately overturn a conviction. Paraphrasing here.

I don't know if FL allows polygraphs to be used as "evidence" of guilt or innocence.

[aproudmom]

If the ultimate question comes down to who do you believe, Misty or TM, I think that's a no brainer. Misty has lied throughout this whole thing and TM has the respect of many.

As for Ron...he's just covering his behind, as he always has. The sad part is, Haleigh got lost in all this long ago.MO

my bolding

you are so right Grace.:crying:..and as far as who I believe it is a no brainer for me

[?noanswer]

The only thing I don't understand, Grace, is why Tim went public with the test results using the verbiage he used. Or why the video of the results were made public. He could have just turned it all over to LE, and then come out with a statement if Misty went public with her dissatisfaction with what happened.

Misty agreed/asked to take the tests in order to clear herself. Releasing them to the public like it was done could be seen as a betrayal of that trust by both Misty and Ron.

She shouldn't have signed those releases...she obviously thought she'd pass. For whatever reasons she didn't, I don't think the release was handled well.

But that's my opinion and I realize there are many who disagree.

I agree with what you stated. I am disappointed that the results were released to the public and thru a blogger at that. I heard that one of the tests was supposed to be only 30 min., but turned out to be 5 hours. They only released the results of 4 questions. Wonder what the others were. If LDTS were allowed in a trial, there is no way that test will ever be allowed as it was not done in a controlled environment. At least LE can use it to compare with other information they have.

The only good thing that I can see that happened from all that is that Haleigh's name is back in the news. Posters have been complaining for months that no one is doing anything, but the minute the family starts doing something, everyone uses it to reinforce what their opinions were before anything happened.

JMO

[Pinetree]

Tim Miller said Misty was spreading the word about herself taking the tests.....reporters started contacting him about it...not sure, but I think Misty was claiming she passed the tests...so, TM released them to media and LE. moo

[Tracian]

This case is just getting stranger.

I don't know what to make of all the he said/she said; I respect Tim Miller, but wonder why he arranged the tests, then released the information.

I don't know about LP now coming out and wanting to take Misty to Canada---because he will get her to talk.

I don't understand why LE will not just come out and say that Ron was at work, verified that HaLeigh was seen after he left.

I don't understand sending a car for Misty's brother and SIL, questioning them for 3 hours, then letting them go, again rather cryptic information from LE.

I don't understand why Tim if he questions Ron and/or Misty would go to the Croslins about dropping charges.

Here we are on message boards tearing into one another, and who I really blame is LE; they are sending the public on wild goose chases while asking for tips.

[?noanswer]

I wonder how the tapes being released would play into the Sunshine Law should Misty be arrested. Could that affect the police being able to use them as evidence?

I don't think those tapes can be used as evidence because they were not done in a controlled environement. I can see LE using them to compare to other evidence they might have. As far as the Sunshine Law, I think that only pertains to LE evidence. JMO

[Viva4Haleigh]

Posters have been complaining for months that no one is doing anything, but the minute the family starts doing something, everyone uses it to reinforce what their opinions were before anything happened.

JMO
By family do you mean Misty? She failed lie detector tests and voice tests and probably faked being under hypnosis, why shouldn't that alarm people?

[W_D_1]

panache posted a link the other day about if, when, and how polygraphs can be used in court. Misty would have had to agree for them to be used in court for them to be presented as evidence in a jurisdiction where they are even allowed. Most states won't allow them, regardless, and presenting the results in a trial can be grounds to immediately overturn a conviction. Paraphrasing here.

I don't know if FL allows polygraphs to be used as "evidence" of guilt or innocence.


Yes I know all of that. I wasn't talking about the results being used as evidence but specific things she said during the polygraph. Remember LE said they learned more information from these tests, something about another inconsistency. My question was worded badly but I'm wondering if they can use that inconsistecy as evidence if it was gleaned from a poly that was released to the public before an arrest.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Tim Miller said Misty was spreading the word about herself taking the tests.....reporters started contacting him about it...not sure, but I think Misty was claiming she passed the tests...so, TM released them to media and LE. moo

In a few early videos she claimed she passed all the tests. Who knows, maybe in her mind, she did (eyeroll). Notice that the PCSO aways said no comment, inconsistencies. That means she failed.

I'm glad TM had the guts to release it all.

And the truth is, I thought 99% of the support would do an about-face for Misty & Ron, the happy couple. Surprisingly, more excuses. That is puzzling.

That is sort of like saying Joran VDS was innocent because the bartender administered drugs in Natalee's drink which she willingly drank. Good Lord.

I swear the need to be right outweighs logic. Because I believe a man who searches for missing people more than I believe people who make them disappear.

[Scampi]

I'm not caught up...

Ron and Misty are now calling Tim Miller and the people who administered her tests liars?

And she thinks she passed?

And Ronald is defending her?

And people are still defending him?

Nice summation of the facts! :thumbsup:

[W_D_1]

I don't think those tapes can be used as evidence because they were not done in a controlled environement. I can see LE using them to compare to other evidence they might have. As far as the Sunshine Law, I think that only pertains to LE evidence. JMO

Tim gave the tests to LE. They are now LE evidence.

[CANDYKISSES]

I guess what struck me is the vast difference in what Misty says happened and what we heard from TM and Nejame. TM and Nejame say she contacted them and asked to take the tests to clear her name. Misty claims TM told her to fly to Orlando because "her days are numbered."

Altho I don't totally disagree with what you said about releasing the results, I can't believe that TM would intentionally set her up the way she claims he did.

MO

Both could be true. All it would take was Misty actually saying "I WILL DO ANYTHING YOU ADVISE if you will just come back and look for Haleigh and help me."

Then maybe a plan was accelerated and with some of the misinformation from bloggers and such taken as fact, just maybe after clearing Crystal and Ronald, Tim did say during the course of their conversation "We have to move on this, your days are numbered" or something like that.

So ultimately, both could be true and nobody is a liar in that round. JMO

[W_D_1]

In a few early videos she claimed she passed all the tests. Who knows, maybe in her mind, she did (eyeroll). Notice that the PCSO aways said no comment, inconsistencies. That means she failed.

I'm glad TM had the guts to release it all.

And the truth is, I thought 99% of the support would do an about-face for Misty & Ron, the happy couple. Surprisingly, more excuses. That is puzzling.

That is sort of like saying Joran VDS was innocent because the bartender administered drugs in Natalee's drink which she willingly drank. Good Lord.

I swear the need to be right outweighs logic. Because I believe a man who searches for missing people more than I believe people who make them disappear.


Greg Page said he was also told he passed his poly. Some of us, myself included, think something was said by the polygrapher to give them that impression.

Ron kept saying last night that he isn't a polygrapher. I'm wondering if he thinks Misty passed the LE tests because of what was said and that's why he doesn't believe TM's polygrapher.

[jammies]

Maybe LE did know he was going to release it.


Exactly, Je t'aime. He may just be working right along side LE. :wink:

[AmndaRcknwth]

Greg Page said he was also told he passed his poly. Some of us, myself included, think something was said by the polygrapher to give them that impression.

Ron kept saying last night that he isn't a polygrapher. I'm wondering if he thinks Misty passed the LE tests because of what was said and that's why he doesn't believe TM's polygrapher.

"THANK YOU, THAT'S GOOD, YOU DID WELL, YOU MAY GO, WE ARE FINISHED".
That isn't exactly a "You are clear, innocent, and you smell nice."
Oh heck no, because Misty has a looooong nose and this case stinks.

[W_D_1]

"THANK YOU, THAT'S GOOD, YOU DID WELL, YOU MAY GO, WE ARE FINISHED".
That isn't exactly a "You are clear, innocent, and you smell nice."
Oh heck no, because Misty has a looooong nose and this case stinks.


Were you there? If not you have no idea what was said but obviously something was said to make 3 different people think they passed. Two of those people don't know each other.

[?noanswer]

Tim gave the tests to LE. They are now LE evidence.


True, but I don't think they will be allowed into a trial as evidence. What I wish they would release is the results of some of the mundane questions that were used to establish a pattern. Wonder what the percentage of truth they were. JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

Greg Page said he was also told he passed his poly. Some of us, myself included, think something was said by the polygrapher to give them that impression.

Ron kept saying last night that he isn't a polygrapher. I'm wondering if he thinks Misty passed the LE tests because of what was said and that's why he doesn't believe TM's polygrapher.

Now that certainly is a possibility and then having others tell him it's all open to interpretation and that most are not even admitted into evidence in a court of law. JMO

[W_D_1]

Now that certainly is a possibility and then having others tell him it's all open to interpretation and that most are not even admitted into evidence in a court of law. JMO




Thank you Candy. I'm glad someone finally got the point instead of making up what they think the polygrapher said.

[Viva4Haleigh]

Were you there? If not you have no idea what was said but obviously something was said to make 3 different people think they passed. Two of those people don't know each other.

And they were giving you an example to what may have been said that may lead a person to think they passed- no one claimed to be there- we are throwing ideas off each other- this is a message board-

[titanfan217]

Doesn't Tim usually work alongside LE? I guess I don't understand why he would release these tapes without talking with LE first? I am confused. Probably a dumb question. :blushing:

I believe he did talk to LE first.

[aproudmom]

ok if this is true I am sure her lawyers would request them and with the Sunshine law media would request them right?

Misty’s shocking statements, all caught on tape, have refueled the investigation into little Haleigh Cummings. Detectives from the Putnam County Sheriff’s Department were made aware of the findings, and although they are not endorsing the release of the information to the public, they were planning on subpoenaing the tapes and any related information. Miller willingly turned the finding over to investigators. Just yesterday, detectives questioned Miller and myself for over five (5) hours concerning our observations and viewed the tapes in our presence as we answered questions about our conversations with Misty Cummings

The relationship with police and the Cummings family is contentious, to say the least. Tim Miller has developed a very close relationship to Ronald and Misty, and it is Millers intimate relationship with Misty that police have relied on for information “She looks at me like a grandfather”, Tim states

http://stephww.wordpress.com/2009/08/26/police-misty-cummings-holds-the-key-to-haleigh-cummings-dissapearance/

[CANDYKISSES]

But Misty claims she didn't know she would be given a polygraph. That's a direct contradiction to what TM said.

Do you think he brought her to Orlando and sprung the tests on her or do you think she was made aware of what he wanted her to do? I just can't see TM doing something like that. To what end? I thought he had a developed, at the very least, an empathetic relationship with them. He said Misty looked at him like a grandfather.

I don't think he would do it as an act of deliberate entrapment myself Grace. That said, I can see that maybe the requirements became bigger to get help or donations to cover something of this nature. I really try to keep in mind behaviors and work arounds I've seen before prior to just accepting there is a hero and a villain. Sometimes things are much simpler and people have to create opportunities to get the ball rolling without evil in the mix. JMO:sad:

[titanfan217]

I do think LE said they were not surprised by his findings- jmo

Absolutely.

"The only thing consistent about Misty are her inconsistencies. " Not sure that's an exact quote and which from LE said it.

[titanfan217]

According to Ron's new attorney, Terry Shoemaker, Ron stands behind his wife 100%. So, I guess RC is on the record.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/20648199/detail.html

I can't but wonder if T.N. and GGMS are still standing behind Misty 100%. I have not heard either of them make public statements since last week's revelations.
What if one of these two women continues to back Misty and Ron and the other one doesn't?
Wouldn't that pit mother and daughter against one another? :ohmy:
[JMO * Themis]

Considering who has been seen with RC and who hasn't, it wouldn't surprise me at all.

[W_D_1]

ok if this is true I am sure her lawyers would request them and with the Sunshine law media would request them right?

Misty’s shocking statements, all caught on tape, have refueled the investigation into little Haleigh Cummings. Detectives from the Putnam County Sheriff’s Department were made aware of the findings, and although they are not endorsing the release of the information to the public, they were planning on subpoenaing the tapes and any related information. Miller willingly turned the finding over to investigators. Just yesterday, detectives questioned Miller and myself for over five (5) hours concerning our observations and viewed the tapes in our presence as we answered questions about our conversations with Misty Cummings

The relationship with police and the Cummings family is contentious, to say the least. Tim Miller has developed a very close relationship to Ronald and Misty, and it is Millers intimate relationship with Misty that police have relied on for information “She looks at me like a grandfather”, Tim states

http://stephww.wordpress.com/2009/08/26/police-misty-cummings-holds-the-key-to-haleigh-cummings-dissapearance/


If he had turned over all copies to LE the media couldn't get them under the Sunshine Law until an arrest was made. The fact that they were released shows there was more than one copy.

[aproudmom]

I believe he did talk to LE first.

did you read what I just posted? IMO it kinda sounds like it to me

The relationship with police and the Cummings family is contentious, to say the least. Tim Miller has developed a very close relationship to Ronald and Misty, and it is Millers intimate relationship with Misty that police have relied on for information “She looks at me like a grandfather”, Tim states.

[titanfan217]

I'm not caught up...

Ron and Misty are now calling Tim Miller and the people who administered her tests liars?

And she thinks she passed?

And Ronald is defending her?

And people are still defending him?

That's it. Guess LE is lieing too.

[titanfan217]

But Misty claims she didn't know she would be given a polygraph. That's a direct contradiction to what TM said.

Do you think he brought her to Orlando and sprung the tests on her or do you think she was made aware of what he wanted her to do? I just can't see TM doing something like that. To what end? I thought he had a developed, at the very least, an empathetic relationship with them. He said Misty looked at him like a grandfather.

I don't believe either. I believe she contacted him just like he said in the beginning.

[Viva4Haleigh]

That's it. Guess LE is lieing too.

Now everyone is lying against Ron and Misty.

Misty is the last person to see this child- she fails everything-

Ron is satisfied with Misty and does not think she is lying at all, or not being truthful, he stands by her side and has declared that- He needs more proof he says- they now say they think the polygrapher was wrong, and she really did pass-

I mean think of that thought process! How arrogant can they get?

It is so obvious they are covering for each other now, it really has moved on from me just thinking Misty is covering up for him, it is so obvious now he is also covering for her-

imo

[Scampi]

Now everyone is lying against Ron and Misty.

Misty is the last person to see this child- she fails everything-

Ron is satisfied with Misty and does not think she is lying at all, or not being truthful, he stands by her side and has declared that- He needs more proof he says- they now say they think the polygrapher was wrong, and she really did pass-

I mean think of that thought process! How arrogant can they get?

It is so obvious they are covering for each other now, it really has moved on from me just thinking Misty is covering up for him, it is so obvious now he is also covering for her-

imo

You are absolutely correct. I see it, you can see it, do you think LE can also see it? Oh yes, then can see it too.

imo

[CANDYKISSES]

"THANK YOU, THAT'S GOOD, YOU DID WELL, YOU MAY GO, WE ARE FINISHED".
That isn't exactly a "You are clear, innocent, and you smell nice."
Oh heck no, because Misty has a looooong nose and this case stinks.

I don't understand the need to attack her. Bottom line is that even if it was presented to that 17 year old as you say, it could easily be mistaken for a "PASSED RESPONSE" IMO, especially IF she really doesn't know what became of Haleigh.

Certain kind of personalities are NOT SO GREAT with polygraphs and especially people who get nervous IMO.

Why would Misty have even allowed it if she is as guilty as some of you seem to think?

I think she has either blocked a memory out or she was so out of it, she really doesn't know. But I am basing that on believing she was on a weekender and came home to the kids ill-prepared. IF Haleigh's brother has repeated the "man in black story" from his own memory, then I believe she definitely knows more and am wide open to what may have happened. JMO:sad:

Where are the people who could allegedly confirm her being out that night?:confused:

[teresa]

HUH ?? !!
You mean Ron C. is back saying they all slept together in the same bed ?!

And Ron C. has now added another 30 to 60 minutes to Misty going to bed time?

That is astounding, IMO.

Themis, I'm behind as you can tell but that was from a video clip from Ron's first appearance on NG right after Haleigh was gone/taken. That is the story he knew as of then and Misty was with her family, not Ron. I guess he got the other version a few days later.

I'm not sure why that was presented as if it were new from last night. We have all known that that was the first version that was told to the media.

[?noanswer]

I don't understand the need to attack her. Bottom line is that even if it was presented to that 17 year old as you say, it could easily be mistaken for a "PASSED RESPONSE" IMO, especially IF she really doesn't know what became of Haleigh.

Certain kind of personalities are NOT SO GREAT with polygraphs and especially people who get nervous IMO.

Why would Misty have even allowed it if she is as guilty as some of you seem to think?

I think she has either blocked a memory out or she was so out of it, she really doesn't know. But I am basing that on believing she was on a weekender and came home to the kids ill-prepared. IF Haleigh's brother has repeated the "man in black story" from his own memory, then I believe she definitely knows more and am wide open to what may have happened. JMO:sad:

Where are the people who could allegedly confirm her being out that night?:confused:

If there is anyone that could confirm that story, the only reason that I can think of that they would not come forward is because the information they have would incriminate them. One would think the reward would be enough to bring them out of the woodwork. JMO

[jimbob]

Themis, I'm behind as you can tell but that was from a video clip from Ron's first appearance on NG right after Haleigh was gone/taken. That is the story he knew as of then and Misty was with her family, not Ron. I guess he got the other version a few days later.

I'm not sure why that was presented as if it were new from last night. We have all known that that was the first version that was told to the media.

Everyone but Misty apparantly , why is that do you think ? She certainly hasnt mentioned any other time than 10:00 repeatedly.

[Pat]

Well, one thing we know as FACT...this isn't over! Unfortunately, we've learned absolutely nothing that helps in finding out what happened to HaLeigh.

Most were pretty sure the search over the weekend would lead to a big break in the case, even though Steph Watts said they didn't expect to find anything at the "rose" site. I wish he had been more circumspect when he wrote his piece. It led to a lot of dashed hopes.

I am afraid all we are going to see in the coming weeks is more tit-for-tat and "he said, she said".

But who knows...I could well be wrong. I hope I am and we are not now at the point where the lawyers are so involved this case comes to a standstill. If we are, I think this will become a cold case, given LE has pretty much said they can't move forward because Misty is the "key".

[willow]

This case is just getting stranger.

I don't know what to make of all the he said/she said; I respect Tim Miller, but wonder why he arranged the tests, then released the information.

I don't know about LP now coming out and wanting to take Misty to Canada---because he will get her to talk.

I don't understand why LE will not just come out and say that Ron was at work, verified that HaLeigh was seen after he left.

I don't understand sending a car for Misty's brother and SIL, questioning them for 3 hours, then letting them go, again rather cryptic information from LE.

I don't understand why Tim if he questions Ron and/or Misty would go to the Croslins about dropping charges.

Here we are on message boards tearing into one another, and who I really blame is LE; they are sending the public on wild goose chases while asking for tips.

I agree and I think this is a GREAT POST!

I am still confused though where the information came from about Tim Miller helping get the Croslins to drop charges against Ron.

Can someone tell me about it or send me to where I can find a link?

MOO

[W_D_1]

I agree and I think this is a GREAT POST!

I am still confused though where the information came from about Tim Miller helping get the Croslins to drop charges against Ron.

Can someone tell me about it or send me to where I can find a link?

MOO


Misty's father said it in an interview the other night. Links were posted for it the last 2 days.

[titanfan217]

I agree and I think this is a GREAT POST!

I am still confused though where the information came from about Tim Miller helping get the Croslins to drop charges against Ron.

Can someone tell me about it or send me to where I can find a link?

MOO

It would have been Friday night when Hank Jr was taken to talk, but it was Hank Sr. that said it.

If you don't find the link, I'll look after lunch.

[willow]

I'm not caught up...

Ron and Misty are now calling Tim Miller and the people who administered her tests liars?

And she thinks she passed?

And Ronald is defending her?

And people are still defending him?

OMG, I knew I was behind but I did not realize how far behind I was until I seen this post and Scampi's reply that this is happening.

I think I need to do some more reading before I make another post because I did not know all of this had happened.

MOO

[AmndaRcknwth]

That's it. Guess LE is lieing too.

Looks like all there is around the Haleigh case is a bunch of liars. Poor Ron and poor Misty, they don't stand a chance and look how they are being railroaded, and all they ever want is Haleigh back.

But all they get is people lying about them, to them, and what shady people all these professionals are, compared to this wonderful young innocent couple.





Puh leeze. No sale.

[teresa]

Maybe LE did know he was going to release it.

LE said they didn't agree with the decision to release them on the day they were first released.

[jammies]

Sorry I dont have time to read the transcripts. Can you tell me did anyone ask Ron about the rose in the woods? Thanx.


No specifics, Trigger. I was SCREAMING at Nancy to ask! who, what, why, where......etc etc. :cursing:

[AmndaRcknwth]

I don't understand the need to attack her. Bottom line is that even if it was presented to that 17 year old as you say, it could easily be mistaken for a "PASSED RESPONSE" IMO, especially IF she really doesn't know what became of Haleigh.

Certain kind of personalities are NOT SO GREAT with polygraphs and especially people who get nervous IMO.

Why would Misty have even allowed it if she is as guilty as some of you seem to think?

I think she has either blocked a memory out or she was so out of it, she really doesn't know. But I am basing that on believing she was on a weekender and came home to the kids ill-prepared. IF Haleigh's brother has repeated the "man in black story" from his own memory, then I believe she definitely knows more and am wide open to what may have happened. JMO:sad:

Where are the people who could allegedly confirm her being out that night?:confused:


Attack her???

ATTACK HER???

WHERE do you see an attack in ANY post I have made?

Think back.... Haleigh is missing. Misty fails according to the cops and TM and several specific tests (which no doubt are open to interpretation) which in this case I believe shows who knows where little babygirl is.

[aproudmom]

Sorry but if you have not read about TM and what he has been through it is very hard to understand why some say they know he is not out there to make $$$ off of this he does not want families to go through just what he did....

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/forensics/texas_equusearch/3.html
the officers dismissed Laura as a probable runaway. Miller said that was out of character for her and also noted that she had a serious seizure disorder and needed her medication. The officers had a response: girls her age were smart and could find what they needed on the street. That made little sense to Miller, but he did not know how to get them to do something.

"Well, then about three days later," Miller says, "I found out that Heidi had lived only four blocks away from us." So he went back to the police and asked if they could at least tell him where Heidi had been found so he could go there and search the area himself. They refused to provide information, saying it was private property.

After five days without hearing from Laura, Miller knew in his heart that she was dead. "I didn't have a clue what to do. I think I tried to drink myself to death. I couldn't work. I lost my job. Laura's mother and I didn't have the best relationship and it certainly got worse. Every time our phone would ring, or someone would drive by the house slowly or knock on our door, I got heart palpitations. I didn't know if they were bringing me good news, that they'd found Laura and were bringing her home, or if they were bringing bad news that she was dead."

But for more than a year and a half, no one brought any news.
alot more to read if anyone wants to

I think alot of this Organization and even donated to them a few months ago because I was so worried families would go with out TES because of it working off of only donation and volunteers...I want to see babys brought home such as Haleigh

[Barbara fl.]

I don't understand the need to attack her. Bottom line is that even if it was presented to that 17 year old as you say, it could easily be mistaken for a "PASSED RESPONSE" IMO, especially IF she really doesn't know what became of Haleigh.

Certain kind of personalities are NOT SO GREAT with polygraphs and especially people who get nervous IMO.

Why would Misty have even allowed it if she is as guilty as some of you seem to think?

I think she has either blocked a memory out or she was so out of it, she really doesn't know. But I am basing that on believing she was on a weekender and came home to the kids ill-prepared. IF Haleigh's brother has repeated the "man in black story" from his own memory, then I believe she definitely knows more and am wide open to what may have happened. JMO:sad:

Where are the people who could allegedly confirm her being out that night?:confused:


The way I see it, only 2 things could have happened here...one being that she went out and left the children alone and someone was watching her and went in and took Haleigh....The other being that she had someone at the home and she got high and when she woke up Haleigh was gone (which would mean that she knew who did it)...I doubt very much that she would own up to either scenerio.....

She is young, and i'm sure she didn't appreciate being tied down and raising 2 children at that age.....she knew what time Ron got home from work, therefore she had the whole night to do whatever......

But I honestly believe that Misty knows what happened...but is too terrified to tell....also, she may feel that as long as Ron buys her story, nothing else matters.....jmo

[Lqqkout]

[url]http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=112609[/

[ClimbingRose]

I think Ron looked medicated. Too much so to really gauge a real reaction but I agree he did look ready to snap, I could swear he actually squinted at one point with disdain but I am not sure. I did find his head tilting to be interesting and I found this about it.

http://changingminds.org/techniques/body/parts_body_language/head_body_language.htm



Homework for tonight!!

[Pat]

Sorry but if you have not read about TM and what he has been through it is very hard to understand why some say they know he is not out there to make $$$ off of this he does not want families to go through just what he did....

<snip>



I think I understand what you are trying to say. I also don't believe I have seen but one person, days ago, who questioned his sincerity. There is not one person who has said they consider him to be a liar. There are posters who are claiming people are now saying he's a liar, but I think it is a figure of speech, rather than an accusation against anyone. (But I could be wrong...I haven't seen a single person call TM a liar on this board.)

I'm just trying to understand what he hoped to accomplish by releasing Misty's test results in such a public way, when he says she looked at him as a grandfather figure. What triggered it, and why say she "failed miserably"? It destroyed any trust she would have had in him, so he can't help anymore.

I am sure there is more to this but I don't know if we will ever find out what it is.

MO

[Lqqkout]

http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=112609

[HouseOfClark]

I think I understand what you are trying to say. I also don't believe I have seen but one person, days ago, who questioned his sincerity. There is not one person who has said they consider him to be a liar. There are posters who are claiming people are now saying he's a liar, but I think it is a figure of speech, rather than an accusation against anyone. (But I could be wrong...I haven't seen a single person call TM a liar on this board.)

I'm just trying to understand what he hoped to accomplish by releasing Misty's test results in such a public way, when he says she looked at him as a grandfather figure. What triggered it, and why say she "failed miserably"? It destroyed any trust she would have had in him, so he can't help anymore.

I am sure there is more to this but I don't know if we will ever find out what it is.

MO

IMO, Tim wouldn't have released anything but for the fact that Misty apparently called all the relatives who were on the lawn waiting for the latest results and the media was contacting him based on that.

I mean, who does that? What kind of mindset is that? A 17 year old who is enjoying national attention?

Bottom line, she signed a release to take the tests even though she knew she was going against the wishes of her attorney. She can't backtrack now and say that she was hoodwinked and that TM lied to her and scammed her into taking the tests.

JMO

[Justice4all]

HLN just said Ron will be on NG again tonight.

[ClimbingRose]

http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=112609


I really wish Tim had not got involved in this mess outside of conducting a search. IMO TN needs to step up and address this bizarre
event. It was she who reached out to NeJame's for help look for Haleigh and IIRC NeJame stated in an interview that he wanted to make it very clear he wasn't representing any of the family and would only focus on finding this little girl. Then, later on during an interview with NG(?) Mark Klass made a comment about Tim's motive's which I was equally taken back by what Mark K. was suggesting. And well the rest is what it is.

Please any thoughts or impressions.:bored:

[jammies]

HLN just said Ron will be on NG again tonight.


OH FGS! What the heck for? " i dunno" :rolleyes:

[ClimbingRose]

I think I understand what you are trying to say. I also don't believe I have seen but one person, days ago, who questioned his sincerity. There is not one person who has said they consider him to be a liar. There are posters who are claiming people are now saying he's a liar, but I think it is a figure of speech, rather than an accusation against anyone. (But I could be wrong...I haven't seen a single person call TM a liar on this board.)

I'm just trying to understand what he hoped to accomplish by releasing Misty's test results in such a public way, when he says she looked at him as a grandfather figure. What triggered it, and why say she "failed miserably"? It destroyed any trust she would have had in him, so he can't help anymore.

I am sure there is more to this but I don't know if we will ever find out what it is.

MO


I sincerely hope that TM and NeJame will address this controversy. I do remember NeJame held a press conference with TN and made it known that he wasn't representing any family members. But then TM goes over and attempts to get the Croslin's to drop the charges against Ronald. This bothers me. His only focus and purpose was to help with searches to locate Haleigh not to get in the midst of family legal issues.

[jammies]

I sincerely hope that TM and NeJame will address this controversy. I do remember NeJame held a press conference with TN and made it known that he wasn't representing any family members. But then TM goes over and attempts to get the Croslin's to drop the charges against Ronald. This bothers me. His only focus and purpose was to help with searches to locate Haleigh not to get in the midst of family legal issues.


Might have been a ploy to gain RC and the rest of the clans trust.

[titanfan217]

Did anyone else notice the grin on the attorney's face when NG basically told 'em that when the last person to see HaLeigh flunked at lie detector, there is a problem?

I don't believe he said another word after that.

Wonder how hard it is for him to say that RC is sticking by his wife and there's no reason for him not to.

[Viva4Haleigh]

Did anyone else notice the grin on the attorney's face when NG basically told 'em that when the last person to see HaLeigh flunked at lie detector, there is a problem?

I don't believe he said another word after that.

Wonder how hard it is for him to say that RC is sticking by his wife and there's no reason for him not to.

Well, maybe Nancy will ask some tougher questions, is there any place we can write and suggest some? I have a few...:biggrin:

[titanfan217]

IMO, Tim wouldn't have released anything but for the fact that Misty apparently called all the relatives who were on the lawn waiting for the latest results and the media was contacting him based on that.

I mean, who does that? What kind of mindset is that? A 17 year old who is enjoying national attention?

Bottom line, she signed a release to take the tests even though she knew she was going against the wishes of her attorney. She can't backtrack now and say that she was hoodwinked and that TM lied to her and scammed her into taking the tests.

JMO

She's doing it but who looks like a fool?

[ClimbingRose]

OH FGS! What the heck for? " i dunno" :rolleyes:

Maybe he feels more tooting of the horn is called for to make it very clear he supports Misty, the bad people are TM and NeJame, they don't know what happened to Haleigh b/c if they did know she would be home right now. Or, maybe he wants to make it very clear that LE are bullying Misty and himself and that's why they will not cooperate with LE. Or he may elaborate on those phone traces and suspicions of why the FBI are tracking them.

for what MOO is good for

[titanfan217]

HLN just said Ron will be on NG again tonight.

Can we write the questions for her?

[Lqqkout]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/20648199/detail.html

[Lqqkout]

Can we write the questions for her?

It wouldn't hurt to email her if you have a burning question.

[ClimbingRose]

Well, maybe Nancy will ask some tougher questions, is there any place we can write and suggest some? I have a few...:biggrin:


She wouldn't be looking for a panel of guests by chance?:biggrin:

[Viva4Haleigh]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/20648199/detail.html

From the link-

"There's a loving family at home that needs her more than whoever has her, and you don't deserve her, so let her go so she can come home to where she belongs," Ronald said.

Jeez, how about a family that misses her and will do anything to get her home, how about not insulting the potential person who has your child by digging they dont deserve her-

He never fails to shock me for sure.

jmo

[ClimbingRose]

Might have been a ploy to gain RC and the rest of the clans trust.

Cigarettes might have done better or taking a spin around town in that famous truck of Ronalds.

JMO

[aproudmom]

Attack her???

ATTACK HER???

WHERE do you see an attack in ANY post I have made?

Think back.... Haleigh is missing. Misty fails according to the cops and TM and several specific tests (which no doubt are open to interpretation) which in this case I believe shows who knows where little babygirl is.

omg have not seen you around hope all is well AmndaR..Who are you attacking:wink: