All Things Michael Jackson

[tiptop]

I've switched channels to King of the Hill...... :biggrin:

[tiptop]

I read Ian's book, and thought it was ok, until the end, I didn't care for much.

That's how I felt about the J Randy book. I enjoyed it in the beginning but maybe it was just too thick. By the end, I was ready to use it as a door stop..........

[GentleBreeze]

Wow...excuses excuses........when there isn't any excuse for such poor behavior! How rude, tacky and classless. imo

It is up to the funeral directors when the family procession comes. They are always on scene at the home where the family gathers.

I think they know how to handle a LA extraordinary service. :smile:

And other people are just arriving too. AC just said,,,,,,,,,more people are arriving.

imo

[tiptop]

I don't even think they know you are here and waiting. Things happen. LA is always chaotic, and even more so now that we are in disaster mode.


Personally, I think they know exactly what they are doing......it's good PR and good for the estate. And probably good for the A&E show the brothers more than likely want to continue into a series.

[GentleBreeze]

I don't think any of us are being forced to watch this. If its upsetting to you, its simple... just don't watch it. And Liz... I'm sure she is understanding to the situation.

I am stunned that some say they are watching.:w00t:

[GentleBreeze]

Wow...excuses excuses........when there isn't any excuse for such poor behavior! How rude, tacky and classless. imo

I have waited for funerals to start that started late. Never thought it was rude, tacky and classless.

imo

[sallemae]

Hi GentleBreeze and Sallie... I'm so happy you are here, and hope you stay and post with us (me). Its so nice to hear all the people who knew Michael speaking so highly of him, on tv I mean. Liz Taylor is still so beautiful, huh.


Hello to you too, I watching LK and the TMZ live stream. Unbelievable how beautiful Elizabeth still looks. I may not speak highly of Michael Jackson, but I DO NOT speak bad of him.

He was a celebrity, so we get to hear all the bad, I couldn't imagine what would be said of me, if I had the media following me all the time and commenting about everything I do, see, hear, say, eat, wear...etc...

[GentleBreeze]

Oh gee wiz. Unless the funeral is yours, why worry about it. This is a family who is about to bury someone they loved. They aren't the ones who are being tacky, rude or classless. I just don't understand why people are still watching it, if it bothers them so much. Its so simple, change the channel.

I am so glad to see Lisa there. I always felt she would come. She truly loved MJ very much.

I thought it was so moving what she said on her web page.

imo

[tiptop]

I have waited for funerals to start that started late. Never thought it was rude, tacky and classless.

imo

Yeah, but have those funerals had all the hoopla and publicity behind them like the Michael Machine? Have you been to a funeral of someone as popular and controversial as Michael?

[GentleBreeze]

I heard that too.. But that it would be to another area of the cemetery so that he could be buried closer to his hero, Walt Disney.

I don't believe he will ever be moved. His family has said clearly that MJ will be laid to rest tonight.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Yeah, but have those funerals had all the hoopla and publicity behind them like the Michael Machine? Have you been to a funeral of someone as popular and controversial as Michael?

I have been to one that had over a thousand people there.

[tiptop]

I have been to one that had over a thousand people there.

Did they have TV cameras there and various other media sources?

[GentleBreeze]

The estate is paying plenty of money to have this funeral, and as such, the family should be able to do it any way they want. We are not invited guests. I don't see any of the invited guests looking upset and leaving.

See that is the part I dont understand. Why does it matter what this cost or what happens at the funeral? We sure aren't involved one iota and don't have a dime in it.:confused:

That is like someone coming in and trying to tell me how much to spend on a funeral for my loved one and complaining about it when they are only an outsider and not involved anyway.:angry::thumbdown:

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Did they have TV cameras there and various other media sources?


I have seen no media allowed on the grounds. What media is coming to the funeral.

IMO

[tiptop]

The estate is paying plenty of money to have this funeral, and as such, the family should be able to do it any way they want. We are not invited guests. I don't see any of the invited guests looking upset and leaving.

I have no issue with the dollar amount if the attorney for the children is OK with it. We are not invited guests? lol, come on now......we can see it on various channels on TV and the internet. Of course we are invited. It's all a staged event, timed perfectly, for the cameras. And for the brothers to use as income through their deal with A&E.

[Justice4all]

ok they aren't going to bring the gold casket out there are they?

[Justice4all]

Looks like there is a lot of no shows. Just looked on CNN...

http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream2&iref=lb100

Most of the family hasn't arrived yet.

[GentleBreeze]

Most of the family hasn't arrived yet.

I saw the hearst earlier. Has it arrived at Forest Lawn Glendale yet?

imo

[tiptop]

I have seen no media allowed on the grounds. What media is coming to the funeral.

IMO

I was asking you about this 1000 person funeral you attended.

[GentleBreeze]

I was asking you about this 1000 person funeral you attended.

The entire funeral was taped and given to the widow.

But I don't understand your question because I don't see any recognizable media at the service. All I see is them standing on the other side of the street and not even close to the FL property.

LA gave helicopter clearance so that is why we are seeing it from afar.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Looks like the family is enroute now.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

No doubt about it. It was 107 earlier today.

Ted Rowlands said about 7 pm it was about 86 degrees and getting much cooler. He said it is a nice temp there.

imo

[tiptop]

The entire funeral was taped and given to the widow.

But I don't understand your question because I don't see any recognizable media at the service. All I see is them standing on the other side of the street and not even close to the FL property.

LA gave helicopter clearance so that is why we are seeing it from afar.

imo

It means nothing to you that CNN and the TV Guide Channel (among others) have been broadcasting Liz and Al and other guest sitting in the perfectly white chairs, and Joe directing traffic and.....on and on the circus goes. It's been a media circus. As of 11 pm EST its still on the TV Guide channel. BET is running a Michael special now. HLN is live at the funeral and doing a spot. Everyone is doing their best to cash in on Michael.

[GentleBreeze]

Just read on TMZ comments that Debbie Rowe will be there and will be seated between her two children.

Can anyone confirm that?

I would think it is true. I have always believed DR truly loved MJ for a very long time.

She probably will coming with the family.

[tiptop]

lol - AGAIN, an hour late, the family has yet to arrive for the funeral. Another media extravaganza. Milking it for all it's worth.........

[tiptop]

IF any money is to be made from this event, it will go to the estate, and therefore to his children, his mother, and charity.


Have all of Michael's debts been paid yet?

[retiredcop]

The Mirror is reporting it will be the first supervised visit, if she comes.

I do hope she is there for the children. They need her more than ever now.

in my opinion

PS They are trying to get the pool camera up again.

[GentleBreeze]

The Mirror is reporting it will be the first supervised visit, if she comes.

Well I don't put much credibility in the Mirror but if so, I am glad she will be there. The best way to love her children right now is to let them know how much their father meant to her.

imo

[retiredcop]

The Jacksons are milking this for everything it is worth. Let's face it, after this no one will care where they are or what they will be doing. This is their last big media event on the back of Mr Jackson.

in my opinion

[tiptop]

I'm not the accountant for the estate, so I can't really answer that question. Sorry.

Well maybe you can answer why the whole shebang is FOUR HOURS LATE. The media has been on it like white on rice the whole time. And, of course, thats what the family wanted.

[retiredcop]

Well I don't put much credibility in the Mirror but if so, I am glad she will be there. The best way to love her children right now is to let them know how much their father meant to her.

imo

NO, the best way is to let her children know how much they mean to her.
If she comes it will be for them and only them. I doubt she would put herself through this "event" if not for them.

in my opinion

[tiptop]

I will care. The Jacksons won't be making money off this funeral, if any money is to be made, it will go to the estate.

Yes, to pay off debts Michael didnt pay when he should have.

[retiredcop]

NO, the best way is to let her children know how much they mean to her.
If she comes it will be for them and only them. I doubt she would put herself through this "event" if not for them.

in my opinion

On TV Guide Channel they have been showing people from a pool camera. I'm seeing the children right now. I don't see Debbie.

[tiptop]

I dont agree. We are watching it, otherwise it wouldnt be on any tv station. Again.. if it is upsetting to you, change the channel.

How could I intelligently comment without watching it?

[BOZGAL2]

RIP Michael :rose:

Your music and kind heart will live on forever.

[retiredcop]

The pool camera is showing the entire family as they arrive. The piano is being played by someone. I wonder who the young men in grey uniforms are? They are escorting people at the funeral.

[GentleBreeze]

Beautiful post, Bozgal. I agree.

Its even more beautiful at night.

and it is only 8:22 there, right?

imo

[tiptop]

I'm not sure it would make a difference.

imo..of course.

LOL - ok, thanks for your input......

[BOZGAL2]

The pool camera is showing the entire family as they arrive. The piano is being played by someone. I wonder who the young men in grey uniforms are? They are escorting people at the funeral.

I think they must work for FL. I like the uniforms. It will be a beautiful service.

[GentleBreeze]

The pool camera is showing the entire family as they arrive. The piano is being played by someone. I wonder who the young men in grey uniforms are? They are escorting people at the funeral.

I believe they said they were a part of the dance group that was going to perform with him in UK

[BOZGAL2]

Its even more beautiful at night.

and it is only 8:22 there, right?

imo


You are right GB.
It is beautiful and peaceful.

[BOZGAL2]

I believe they said they were a part of the dance group that was going to perform with him in UK

I missed that. That is nice. I know Michael would approve of the attire.

[retiredcop]

I think they must work for FL. I like the uniforms. It will be a beautiful service.

Work for who? They look like cadets from a school.

my opinion

[GentleBreeze]

You are right GB.
It is beautiful and peaceful.

I love all of the white flowers.

imo

[retiredcop]

CNN is also transmitting off the pool camera.

[GentleBreeze]

Work for who? They look like cadets from a school.

my opinion

They dress in the military style like MJ did so many times.

imo

[tiptop]

The family finally arrives......

[tiptop]

And Michael finally arrives.......

[GentleBreeze]

I missed that. That is nice. I know Michael would approve of the attire.

Right, they mentioned something about Kenny Ortega and this group.

[BOZGAL2]

I love all of the white flowers.

imo

Me too. The children look precious. This must be so difficult for them.

[GentleBreeze]

And Michael finally arrives.......

:rose::rose::rose:

[tiptop]

They dress in the military style like MJ did so many times.

imo


Can you see that the media is there, so far?

[BOZGAL2]

Right, they mentioned something about Kenny Ortega and this group.

I saw him earlier. Also Elizabeth looks wonderful tonight. Beautiful as always - inside and out.

[retiredcop]

They dress in the military style like MJ did so many times.

imo

They look like they are cadets from a military school and not just dressed in costumes.

in my opinion

[GentleBreeze]

I don't think these guys are dressing for "style"

Yes, they are. They are ushers for MJs family members.

imo

[BOZGAL2]

The moon is bright and beautiful right now too. It looks to be a full one.

It is just perfect. So peaceful and serene.

[GentleBreeze]

They look like they are cadets from a military school and not just dressed in costumes.

in my opinion

But it really doesn't matter what we think.

imo

[retiredcop]

The hearse is arriving. I wonder if they are going to open it up outside.:scared:

[GentleBreeze]

............eyeroll.............look like cadets to me too.

Roll your eyes at Kenny Ortega then, not me.

[tiptop]

The hearse is arriving. I wonder if they are going to open it up outside.:scared:


CNN stopped their close-up feed now......per the Jackson family.

[GentleBreeze]

The hearse is arriving. I wonder if they are going to open it up outside.:scared:

Why not?

imo

[BOZGAL2]

Did we just get kicked out of the funeral?

I guess so. Unless they can still get the overhead shots.

[GentleBreeze]

OMG that casket blanket is gorgeous.

imo

[tiptop]

No, they didn't. I am watching it

I went from a close-up shot of the hearse to an overhead shot. Did you see more?

[BOZGAL2]

OMG that casket blanket is gorgeous.

imo

That is just gorgeous.

[GentleBreeze]

Looks like the rumors over an open casket can be put to rest now.

Well if they open it that will be at the end of the services but unless the helicopter gets it we wont see it.

Jackson family has cut the feed.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

That is just gorgeous.

I love the all white theme. But then white flowers are my favorite.:smile:

imoi

[BOZGAL2]

Thank you Michael for all the memories you have given me.
Thank you Michael for all the kind and wonderful things you did for your fellow human beings.
Thank you Michael for your pure and gentle heart you shared with so many.
Thank you Michael for sharing your deepest heart of all with your precious children.
Thank you Michael for the best songs and the most incredible dance moves ever.

I will miss you forever and you will always be in my heart.

RIP Michael :rose:

They cannot hurt you anymore.

[retiredcop]

Looks like the pool camera has been shut down. Now there are only overhead shots. Got to save the money shots. Filming is proceeding. The boom is moving.

in my opinion

[daniel green]

snipped I wonder who the young men in grey uniforms are? They are escorting people at the funeral.

Back up dancers, dressed up in mock-military uniforms, kinda like cadets.

[BOZGAL2]

I love the all white theme. But then white flowers are my favorite.:smile:

imoi

I love it too. It is so dignified as Nic said.
Just lovely.

[retiredcop]

Well, that's it. The helicopters have pulled away also.

[GentleBreeze]

Thank you Michael for all the memories you have given me.
Thank you Michael for all the kind and wonderful things you did for your fellow human beings.
Thank you Michael for your pure and gentle heart you shared with so many.
Thank you Michael for sharing your deepest heart of all with your precious children.
Thank you Michael for the best songs and the most incredible dance moves ever.

I will miss you forever and you will always be in my heart.

RIP Michael :rose:

They cannot hurt you anymore.

AMEN!:rose:

[daniel green]

CNN stopped their close-up feed now......per the Jackson family.

The Jacksons stopped the feed from their cameras--which was giving all the video.

The reason they closed off the air space was not so that noboby could see it, but that nobody else could film it.

[BOZGAL2]

LKL will have a special edition at midnight tonight. Of course it may be a little later.

[daniel green]

Miko is going, so I'm thinking LK's studio is somewhere near to the cemetery.

LKL will be live at 12 ET from the Italian restaurant where the Jacksons are hosting the after event.

[daniel green]

I think they must work for FL. I like the uniforms. It will be a beautiful service.

They are back-up dancers. Anderson Cooper talked about having interviewed one of them. The uniforms were made fot the Jacksons to look like West Point cadets.

[retiredcop]

No one will see that funeral unless you pay to see it.:rolleyes:

in my opinion

[daniel green]

Just read on TMZ comments that Debbie Rowe will be there and will be seated between her two children.

Can anyone confirm that?

She was not there, right? The children sat next to Latoya, on the front row. It was Joe J, Mrs J, Latoya, then the children.

[retiredcop]

I'm just glad it's actually going down.....over two months after his death.

I do hope this brings his children some sort of closure....I just hope they don't open that casket!!!!!!!!!!!!! For the children's sake.

I honestly don't think they can. They have to keep the odor sealed in, I would think if that even works.:scared:

in my opinion

[tiptop]

The Jacksons stopped the feed from their cameras--which was giving all the video.

The reason they closed off the air space was not so that noboby could see it, but that nobody else could film it.


Yep. Exclusive for the A&E series staring the brothers.

[retiredcop]

She was not there, right? The children sat next to Latoya, on the front row. It was Joe J, Mrs J, Latoya, then the children.

No, I never saw her arrive.

[daniel green]

I wonder how that restaurant is going to deal with a 2++++ delay, with all the food being planned for 8pm PT.

[daniel green]

Yep. Exclusive for the A&E series staring the brothers.

Right.

That huge hanging overhead light that looked like a mini blimp--that is what they use on reality shows for night time shots.

[tiptop]

I wonder how that restaurant is going to deal with a 2++++ delay, with all the food being planned for 8pm PT.

LOL.

Something tells me ($$$$$) they were probably prepared.

[GentleBreeze]

I honestly don't think they can. They have to keep the odor sealed in, I would think if that even works.:scared:

in my opinion


That is absolutely ridiculous.:rolleyes:

imo

[daniel green]

Okay guys..Its 15 minutes to 10PM here..7PM there..I truly dont believe that family owns a watch..let alone a calender..What the heck are they waiting for....???

LMS:rolleyes:

Very strange to be soooooooooooo late.

[daniel green]

LOL.

Something tells me ($$$$$) they were probably prepared.

They're really not. It's just like for a wedding or any reception. You give them a time and a number of people and they get it ready for that time.

[tiptop]

Right.

That huge hanging overhead light that looked like a mini blimp--that is what they use on reality shows for night time shots.

And I have to wonder about the delay. Earlier in the day, it was said 7 PM SHARP Pacific time for the start time. Perhaps A&E held them up? Guess we will never know.....

[retiredcop]

That is absolutely ridiculous.:rolleyes:

imo

You have absolutely no idea what I am talking about.

in my opinion

[retiredcop]

Wow....GB was right!

Not really. She thought they were ushers dressed up like Mr Jackson.
She didn't know they were back up dancers.

in my opinion

[GentleBreeze]

You have absolutely no idea what I am talking about.

in my opinion

I absolutely do know what you are trying to lamely say and it is so ridiculous.

imo

[daniel green]

I don't think Katherine has a thing to do with it. The Forest Lawn funeral directors are constantly in touch with their representatives at the compound. They are waiting on the call for them to come, imo.

IMO

Oh, absolutely not.

All of the reporters at the cemetary AND at the family house kept talking about how late the family was. It had nothing to do with FL.

[retiredcop]

Joe Jackson looked less than classy with tons of gold jewelry hanging around his neck and his old stained black hat.

in my opinion

[GentleBreeze]

Not really. She thought they were ushers dressed up like Mr Jackson.
She didn't know they were back up dancers.

in my opinion

Wrong again. That is exactly what I did say.:rolleyes:

And yes, they were used as ushers tonight who were bringing the family members in.:rolleyes:

imo

[tiptop]

They're really not. It's just like for a wedding or any reception. You give them a time and a number of people and they get it ready for that time.

I dunno daniel. For anyone else, yes I would believe you. But Michael -well, it wouldnt surprise me if they paid mucho bucks for the place to be ready when they were. They were late before and I suspect they could be late again. And this time, they may have been dependent on others there to film this oh-so-personal event. It's my understanding the Jackson family rented the restaurant for the entire evening.

[GentleBreeze]

Oh, absolutely not.

All of the reporters at the cemetery AND at the family house kept talking about how late the family was. It had nothing to do with FL.

Duh..........yes they were late but they had 26 cars coming across town and yes the FL directors are in full contact with each other at all times.:rolleyes:

[daniel green]

I think it's incredibly rude to keep guests waiting that long...it's not like they didn't have over TWO MONTHS to get prepared!

There is no excuse.

Some of them seemed very hot. I can only imagine Taylor was quite uncomfortable. She arrived at 6:30 and waiting almost 2 hrs for the Jacksons to get there.

There were some round, red plastic buckets in the back of the seating area with water bottles and the guests kept going to get water. The reporters talked about how amazingly hot it was until after the sun went down.

Barry Bonds was there. Messerau, too. Al Sharpton was tweeting from his seat, as per Anderson Cooper.

Most of the 26 cars in the motorcade were empty save the drivers. I thought that was odd.

[tiptop]

I wonder if the Kennedys faced similiar problems when the Senator's burial ended up being much later than anticipated. I think the tv people were scrambling to figure out how to air it in darkness. It was good they had the flame to focus the cameras on.


I dont remember caring about his burial. Did you?

[GentleBreeze]

I think it's incredibly rude to keep guests waiting that long...it's not like they didn't have over TWO MONTHS to get prepared!

There is no excuse.


Not a one looked upset. They sat there casually talking with those around them. Maybe they know that things don't run right on time every time.

imo

[daniel green]

I dunno daniel. For anyone else, yes I would believe you. But Michael -well, it wouldnt surprise me if they paid mucho bucks for the place to be ready when they were. snipped.

I doubt it. Even the priciest weddings know that they have to be on time for the reception so the food is fine.

I once went to an Indian wedding where the bride was 1 1/2 hrs late and the food following the event, for which the family had paid over 100K was ruined. :sad: From being held for so long.

[daniel green]

Not a one looked upset. They sat there casually talking with those around them. Maybe they know that things don't run right on time every time.

imo

You do know that you only saw the guests during ONE shot of each, right, that the stations kept repeating over and over, right? Not continuous video of the guests throughout the long wait?

[BOZGAL2]

GentleBreeze.. this is a continued pattern of inappropriate behavior. Please don't let them upset you. Just scroll on by. I don't think we could have expected any dignity even during his funeral.

ITA
Its morbidly sinister.

JMO

[daniel green]

CNN and TVGN anchors and guests seemed very shocked that there was this footage being shown by the Jacksons. They kept saying that they were led to believe it was going to be an intimate gathering and no media--so it came as quite a shock.

[GentleBreeze]

If you think an embalmed corpse doesn't have an odor, you are very wrong. I had A&P using a corpse for a month...I didn't think I would ever get that smell out of my nose.

I don't know how a mortician stops that odor during viewings...but whatever they do, I don't think it would work outside in the heat for 3 + hours......

Please don't tell me what you have ...yada yada yada.

A quickly embalmed body who has been in a low temp chamber does not have an order.

The attorney for James Brown checked on JBs corpse everyday because he was fearful that one of his family members would steal the body. When he was buried after two months his attorney said his body was fine.

I know it is more sensationalistic to want to think MJs smells. Just another thing negative to say about him.

imo

[daniel green]

Did Debbie Rowe show up?

Not that I saw.

[tiptop]

I doubt it. Even the priciest weddings know that they have to be on time for the reception so the food is fine.

I once went to an Indian wedding where the bride was 1 1/2 hrs late and the food following the event, for which the family had paid over 100K was ruined. :sad: From being held for so long.

Personally, I think it was all planned. I dont think anything was spoiled or anyone missed eating something good. It was all for publicity. The restaurant knew what time they would be there. I doubt the Jackson family would risk ruining a huge feast for the family and select friends after this glorious A&E event.

[GentleBreeze]

Some of them seemed very hot. I can only imagine Taylor was quite uncomfortable. She arrived at 6:30 and waiting almost 2 hrs for the Jacksons to get there.

There were some round, red plastic buckets in the back of the seating area with water bottles and the guests kept going to get water. The reporters talked about how amazingly hot it was until after the sun went down.

Barry Bonds was there. Messerau, too. Al Sharpton was tweeting from his seat, as per Anderson Cooper.

Most of the 26 cars in the motorcade were empty save the drivers. I thought that was odd.

At 7 it was 86 and Ted Rowlands said that it was cooling down and very nice evening.

imo

[daniel green]

Wow ..26 vehicles carrying the family members. No wonder it took longer than expected.

More than half of those cars were empty save the drivers. Does anyone know the purpose of that?

[Unperson1984]

I heard that too.. But that it would be to another area of the cemetery so that he could be buried closer to his hero, Walt Disney.

I heard that part of the high cost included the purchase of a large family plot which will eventually become one of the private garden areas. These areas have high brick walls around them and entry requires a gate key.

I think it would be wonderful for all the family to be together.

I heard this from a reporter friend about an hour ago.

[daniel green]

At 7 it was 86 and Ted Rowlands said that it was cooling down and very nice evening.

imo

GB--I watched the entire coverage. On both CNN and TVGC and I know how those reporters, including Rowland, were talking about the absolute heat and how those guests were hot and antsy.

[daniel green]

It is up to the funeral directors when the family procession comes.
snipped

It is clear from tonight's reporting that this was not the case.

[GentleBreeze]

GB--I watched the entire coverage. On both CNN and TVGC and I know how those reporters, including Rowland, were talking about the absolute heat and how those guests were hot and antsy.


So are you calling me a liar?:angry:

Again it was said on CNN that at 7 pm tonight it was 86 degrees and was cooling down and turning out to be a nice evening.

I don't care what you heard. My ears are just fine.

imo

[BOZGAL2]

At 7 it was 86 and Ted Rowlands said that it was cooling down and very nice evening.

imo

That is exactly what I heard as well. It will be a beautiful service and I feel quite sure the guests who are there to pay their respects want to be right where they are.

[daniel green]

snipped
J. Randy claims to be a longtime acquaintance of Michael's. And an interviewer of him from the early years.

He was on TVGN tonight giving the play by play. I find him, for some reason, highly unwatchable. He bores me to tears.

I found the comments by Gotham Chopra (LOVE his name) about MJ not being close to his family, and how he (GC) never met any of the family despite having been a close friend of MJ's for years and traveling with MJ on his tours, as a teenager, very interesting.

Drew Pinsky was very interesting on CNN, as was an addiction specialist and a family psychologist on TVGN, I thought.

[daniel green]

Brian Oxman--is that his name--was there, as well.

[BOZGAL2]

More than half of those cars were empty save the drivers. Does anyone know the purpose of that?

I did not hear that half of the cars were empty, but I counted over 53+ empty seats for the family. I cannot imagine all of them riding in just a few cars. But of course that is my opinion.

[daniel green]

CNN is also transmitting off the pool camera.

There was a pool camera up high, and then the feed from the cameras set up by and for the Jacksons, for the reality show, which ended just after the casket was brought in by the brothers and the children went up to it.

I found it interesting that on TVGN they said that the guess would have had to sign releases, as the cameras were there to film them for the reality show. They wondered how they got them to sign releases.

[daniel green]

There will be transcripts tomorrow on CNN, but I can guarantee you, as I just rewound it and played it again, that both Anderson Cooper and Chris can'trememberhisname from TVGN were very clear that they did not know how long the live feed from the Jackson cameras would go on or if they would go on for the entire service--and they were shocked that they had this much.

[daniel green]

I did not hear that half of the cars were empty, but I counted over 53+ empty seats for the family. I cannot imagine all of them riding in just a few cars. But of course that is my opinion.

Watch the coverage again. It was said by the reporters at the gate, for both CNN and TVGN. They commented on how strange that was.

Jermaine opened his window and looked out at the media, as his car drove by the gate.

[Hanalei]

Good for Liz I feel sorry for her having to deal with MJ he was spoiled not to do what everyone else had to do in rehab he thought he was too good to clean toliets:rolleyes: He's part to blame for his own death and that's why I'm not sad he is he knew everytime his doctor gave him his shot that he was cheating death and it finally caught up to him. I really feel for the kids he left behind.

Yes, it seems she tried to help him conquer his addictions. She fought them too.

IIRC she got Michael into a rehab in Switzerland but he didnt want to stay. He had to clean toilets and other menial things like everyone else and he spent his time trying to find ways out.

[GentleBreeze]

There will be transcripts tomorrow on CNN, but I can guarantee you, as I just rewound it and played it again, that both Anderson Cooper and Chris can'trememberhisname from TVGN were very clear that they did not know how long the live feed from the Jackson cameras would go on or if they would go on for the entire service--and they were shocked that they had this much.


This much? They only had the part of the service where MJs casket was brought in and shortly after that it ended.

imo

[BOZGAL2]

I TIVO'd it - didn't notice at first -- but just rewound and several people came out of the cars. When they passed the media the windows were all up -- reporters could not see in - but Jermaine rolled down his window. :shrug:

Me too.
Guess I need some new specs or something.

Good seeing you X :seeya:

[daniel green]

I love all of the white flowers.

imo

I agree. I thought the flowers were very beautiful and tasteful. I especially loved the large, round arrangements.

Apparently the man who owns the restaurant, though, where they are eating tonight is tweeting like crazy, trying to get some PR for his restaurant from this and has even been tweeting shout outs about the florist who donated the flowers.

[Hanalei]

What's a joke is that it took them 2 months to agree on where to bury him



This is ridicules. Katherine is late to her own son's funeral. How embarrassed she SHOULD be, but I doubt she is. Elizabeth Taylor, who is an old, sick lady, is sitting there waiting and I bet it's hot there. I bet the bugs are driving her crazy. If I were her, I would leave. What a joke. I'm not watching this much longer. They have a pool camera there taking close ups. What a joke.

in my opinion

[GentleBreeze]

I doubt it. Even the priciest weddings know that they have to be on time for the reception so the food is fine.

I once went to an Indian wedding where the bride was 1 1/2 hrs late and the food following the event, for which the family had paid over 100K was ruined. :sad: From being held for so long.

Oh please. I have seen weddings start late and then go on longer than normal and the reception is still going on late into the night. Doesn't stop a one of them from partaking of the food and drinks.

imo

[Unperson1984]

I was out to dinner and didn't see the funeral, did Diana Ross attend?

[daniel green]

I don't think these guys are dressing for "style"

Oh, they did. The family had those costumes made to look like cadets. Anderson Cooper remarked on it.

[daniel green]

I was out to dinner and didn't see the funeral, did Diana Ross attend?

Not that I saw.

TVGN will be replaying it over and over again all night. Worth a look.

[GentleBreeze]

I agree. I thought the flowers were very beautiful and tasteful. I especially loved the large, round arrangements.

Apparently the man who owns the restaurant, though, where they are eating tonight is tweeting like crazy, trying to get some PR for his restaurant from this and has even been tweeting shout outs about the florist who donated the flowers.

Well give it until tomorrow. They will get much business due to their highly known clients tonight.

imo

[daniel green]

Joe Jackson looked less than classy with tons of gold jewelry hanging around his neck and his old stained black hat.

in my opinion

I agree with that. Janet looked lovely, I thought, as did the children. Mrs Jackson and the brothers were very nicely dressed, as well. I thought Latoya's bare to the waist dress was not appropriate for a funeral.

[Hanalei]

Sorry but I would be pizzed if my family took 2 months to bury me and yes that is tacky and classless it's all about the money. I wonder how much the are being paid by A&E for the footage they are filming?

Oh gee wiz. Unless the funeral is yours, why worry about it. This is a family who is about to bury someone they loved. They aren't the ones who are being tacky, rude or classless. I just don't understand why people are still watching it, if it bothers them so much. Its so simple, change the channel.

[Hanalei]

And did you have to sit outside in 90 degree heat for an hr? Sorry that's just rude they had all day to get there on time.

I have waited for funerals to start that started late. Never thought it was rude, tacky and classless.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

And did you have to sit outside in 90 degree heat for an hr? Sorry that's just rude they had all day to get there on time.

They didn't sit out for an hour in 90 degree weather.

Sunset was 7:15 and by 7:00 it had already dropped to 86 degrees.

imo

[Hanalei]

I thought Walt was frozen?:confused:


I heard that too.. But that it would be to another area of the cemetery so that he could be buried closer to his hero, Walt Disney.

[GentleBreeze]

Sorry but I would be pizzed if my family took 2 months to bury me and yes that is tacky and classless it's all about the money. I wonder how much the are being paid by A&E for the footage they are filming?

I doubt MJ is pizzed.

mo

[retiredcop]

I think it is extremely odd Diana Ross didn't attend the memorial or the funeral.

in my opinion

[Hanalei]

You try sitting out there for an hr in 90 degree weather that's the big deal. If it wasn't a hot August day it wouldn't matter.


I don't know why the upset over it starting on time either, because its not like we will even be able to hear it. What are they waiting for? It will look the same as it does now. :confused:

[daniel green]

UPDATE -- 7:32 -- Thirty-two minutes after the funeral was scheduled to begin, the Jackson family is finally LEAVING THE ENCINO HOUSE ... with a police escort. They should arrive at the cemetery in the next 30 minutes.

UPDATE -- 7:30 -- the cops are getting into position ... it looks like they might finally leave the house... we're holding our breath...

UPDATE: -- 7:19 -- The Jackson family is making Liz Taylor wait. Liz Taylor!!! She showed up on time ... and now she has to sit there waiting ... stop making Liz Taylor wait!!!!

UPDATE: -- 7:13 -- the funeral was supposed to begin 13 minutes ago, and the Jackson family has not left the ++++ house yet. Barry Bonds doesn't like to wait.....

UPDATE: -- 6:41 -- a bunch of people keep walking around trying to look important .. they keep opening and closing the gate ... we have no idea why they haven't left yet ... it takes more than 20 mins to get from Encino to Glendale ...even with a police escort.

UPDATE: -- 6:31 -- The gate is closed.... they're going to be late...

UPDATE -- 6:30 -- THE GATE IS OPEN!!



Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0Q6txuxIj

[Hanalei]

I live in Calif and it was a hot azz day today and Ted is wrong at 7pm I was still running my AC.

Ted Rowlands said about 7 pm it was about 86 degrees and getting much cooler. He said it is a nice temp there.

imo

[retiredcop]

On the contrary. He is probably praising the heavens to finally be free from this.

We agree on something. He probably is very happy to finally be free of his family.

in my opinion

[daniel green]

Unpredictable to the last, Jackson was late for his own funeral, his gold-plated casket being brought before mourners more than 90 minutes after the service had been scheduled to start at 7pm local time (1200 AEST Friday).

http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/people/michael-jackson-late-for-his-own-funeral-20090904-fawn.html

[Hanalei]

Typical Jacksons gotta make a grand entrance!


Wow ..26 vehicles carrying the family members. No wonder it took longer than expected.

[Hanalei]

I doubt it too! He didn't pay his bills when he was alive and now they are going to have to sue the family for the money.

I highly doubt it.

[Unperson1984]

I live in Calif and it was a hot azz day today and Ted is wrong at 7pm I was still running my AC.

It's still 82 in Glendale, and its near the still burning Station Fire.

[daniel green]

It's still 82 in Glendale, and its near the still burning Station Fire.

Yep.

The reporters, including Rowland, kept talking about how blazingly hot it was, and how uncomfortable for the waiting guests, with those fires merely a few miles away.

[retiredcop]

There weren't many fans at all at the Encino house. There have also been no media showing any fans around the cemetery either. I'm thinking there won't be any shots of a huge fan gathering for the A&E show.

in my opinion

[Unperson1984]

or burning...........

I doubt that. I don't believe MJ was an evil person.

[retiredcop]

Does anyone know if the executors went to the funeral?

[retiredcop]

No media covering the restaurant event. I did see a shot of the restaurant before CNN went into reruns. No fans there either.

in my opinion

[Hanalei]

Money money money! Money! $$$$$$$


Yep. Exclusive for the A&E series staring the brothers.

[Hanalei]

Have you smelled a dead body on a 90 degree day? I have and I was sick for hours! Thank god the casket was closed


That is absolutely ridiculous.:rolleyes:

imo

[daniel green]

Jim More, filling in for LK, and Carlos Diaz, talking about how shocked all the reporters were that there was feed from the funeral, and that was never told to anyone. As I had noted above from my earlier watching of AC and TVGN.

Also noted how the Jacksons were 1 1/2 hrs late for the memorial service as well. I did not watch that or hear any news about it, so I was not aware of that.

[retiredcop]

Thats odd.. The local news just showed us in real time.. Now, there are no riots or mayhem either. I saw children and their parents dancing, tributes posted on local businessess, and plenty of road blocks.

Were did you see all that?

[Hanalei]

I know he looked like a he was part of a mob gangster lol!


Joe Jackson looked less than classy with tons of gold jewelry hanging around his neck and his old stained black hat.

in my opinion

[daniel green]

No media covering the restaurant event. I did see a shot of the restaurant before CNN went into reruns. No fans there either.

in my opinion

I think that it was a mis-step on their part to be so late, because CNN and TVGN had planned on live coverage, but once it went so late, it was not on prime time, CNN went on to cover other news while waiting, and now the planned coverage of the restaurant event is not happening, either.

[retiredcop]

I think that it was a mis-step on their part to be so late, because CNN and TVGN had planned on live coverage, but once it went so late, it was not on prime time, CNN went on to cover other news while waiting, and now the planned coverage of the restaurant event is not happening, either.

The family being late screwed themselves out of some media coverage they crave. Too bad.

in my opinion

[Hanalei]

The purpose is to make the suppose private funeral into a media flashy event. What a waste of money:tongue:

More than half of those cars were empty save the drivers. Does anyone know the purpose of that?

[Hanalei]

IMO the Jacksons are one selfish family it has to be all about them making their late grand entrance when they had all day to get there.

The funeral began about an hour and a half late because of the tardy arrival of his parents, Joe and Katherine, and other family members. They included the singer's three children, Prince Michael, 12, Paris Michael, 10, and Prince Michael II, 7, known as Blanket.

The invitation notice indicated the service would begin promptly at 7 p.m.; it began closer to 8:30.

The 77-year-old Taylor and about 200 other mourners were left waiting in the late summer heat, with the temperature stuck at 90 degrees just before sunset. Some mourners fanned themselves with programs for the service at Forest Lawn Glendale.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090904/ap_en_mu/us_michael_jackson_funeral_35

[Hanalei]

And what a bigger bigger joke is that the family is $$$ cashing in on the private funeral for other brothers that couldn't make money on their own for their reality show. The only reason why anyone would watch it is to see MJ kids or the funeral that didn't air on tv. MJ is dead and they are milking this for all it's worth! I don't think they money is going to the kids the brothers are cashing in too!

And a bigger joke for any outsider to believe they should decide the private matters of a family they never knew.

[Unperson1984]

I hope this man can, at last, Rest in Peace.

That's how I feel and I hope his family found comfort in the ceremony.

He's at peace now, and I believe with God.

[Hanalei]

People got there as early as 6:30pm and it didn't start until 8:30pm like 86 degrees is cooler. I live in San Diego at at 11pm it's still hot it's 81 degrees and I'm still running my AC so I can sleep tonight. I can't even imagine waiting 2 hrs out in hot weather I would have left and then came back once the family got there.

They didn't sit out for an hour in 90 degree weather.

Sunset was 7:15 and by 7:00 it had already dropped to 86 degrees.

imo

[Hanalei]

Of course he's not pizzed he got to stay nice and cool in the frig. You wouldn't see him sitting out in that weather for someone elses funeral for over 2 hrs that's for sure!

QUOTE=GentleBreeze;13436665]I doubt MJ is pizzed.

mo[/QUOTE]

[Hanalei]

MJ should have been buried like most people a week after they die not 2 months later who does that?

Yes. Michael should have planned his homicide to coincide with more pleasant weather. Maybe he tried, but Murray was unavailable for a fall killing.

[Hanalei]

I blame the Jacksons for being late and not being more respectful of their guests waiting on them they shouldn't have had it a 7pm if they didn't want to sit out in the heat that's why they were late they didn't want to sit out there either IMO


I live here too, and I have in fact, stood in blazing hot weather to pay my respects at the funeral of a family friend. I never considered it was the family's fault that I was hot.
I haven't heard of any of these guests walking out, because they were upset over the heat.

[Hanalei]

I live in San Diego and we had a major fire 2 yrs ago and before that 4 yrs earlier. I didn't leave my house for days because of smoke in the air you couldn't even breath!


Yep.

The reporters, including Rowland, kept talking about how blazingly hot it was, and how uncomfortable for the waiting guests, with those fires merely a few miles away.

[Hanalei]

You just read my mind! :wink:


Well I certainly do. I believe he was a pedophile and a drug addict, a liar, and a dead beat that never paid his bills....... it just so happened he was also an entertainer, a celebrity.

I don't believe his death was any great loss to the world. His music was good and still here and available.... it's not like he was cranking out anything new.

I am sure his children will miss him and for that I feel truly sorry for them even though I think they are better off....financially and emotionally.

[Hanalei]

The Jackson brothers don't have money. Jermaine had to move in back with his mom and kids and Marlon doesn't own my property I bought my condo I own it. I grew up with MJ's music I'm 35 yrs old so I'm not that young. And I wonder if Marlon is still bagging groceries? If he owned all this property you said he did then why is he bagging groceries?


http://www.mediatakeout.com/2009/22436-report_all_of_the_jacksons_are_broke_except_for_ja net_latoya_and_rebbie.html


Got a link to that???? Or is is just your imigination of what the Jackson family does with the imaginary milk money?
Apparently you are young and were not privy to the days when the Jacksons rocked the air waves, tv shows, and were mobbed by fans.
I was fortunate to experience the entire Motown era as were many baby boomers and the J5 music was incomparable.. the harmony, the dance moves and the brothers in unity. They are all musicians in their own right...and they have their own money. If you live in Southern Ca you probably live on property owned by Marlon Jackson.
If they toured today it would be sold out !

RIP Michael. You can no longer feel the pain or hear the hate.

[Hanalei]

Did anyone notice how well the LAPD must being doing with all the nice new motercycles and people cruisers? Where are they getting the money to pay for them?

[Hanalei]

I watched tonight to see if they would really have a private send off for MJ but I knew they just couldn't do it without filming it to make money in the future and I was right.


Well.. you are not expected to know about their financial matters, just as they would not be expected to know about yours. What was the reason for watching tonight? It wasn't to see the children of the deceased father, it was to demean, belittle, criticize, and judge, throughout the entire service. I say good for the Jacksons, if they can figure out a legal way to at least be compensated for having to deal with all of it.

[Hanalei]

Yeah film crews media and all what a solemn peaceful event. If they really wanted it to be private why have it outside when they could have had it indoors?

Absolutely! It is a burial. A peaceful, solemn event.

[Hanalei]

Yeah MJ was such a great guy and that's why he owes people that made him who he was money still! Sorry I only respect someone that doesn't screw people out of money. I liked his music but him as a whole person no. Why are people so blinded by his music I will never understand. Some of you talk like you lived with him you don't who he was behind closed doors. You just saw what he wanted you to see. For yrs he hid his addictions if you guys that knew him so well how come you guys didn't know how bad he was? HMMMMMM? Because you really didn't know him.


They sat there because they wanted to be there. They loved Michael, and thats why they were invited. No one left, because no one wanted to. You watched because you wanted to. You were not forced to watch, just like they were not forced to pay their respects to a beautiful man, who's heart was pure, and who's purpose in life was to bring joy to every person on the planet. And indeed he did bring joy to untold numbers of children, and adults worldwide. His generosity fed the poor, and healed the sick. He has been blessed by God, because he was a reflection of God's goodness. Those who are blinded by hate, will never know of the goodness and decency that was Michael Jackson.

[Hanalei]

Link please on why they were late because of Katherine?:rolleyes:

Yes, the noble cause. By the way.. the reason the family was late was due to Michaels Mother, Katherine incappacitated with grief and sadness. Enjoy your night.

[Hanalei]

He isn't the biggest celebrity in the world IMO He was a celebrity but he hasn't done anything musically for yrs.


He was the biggest celebrity in the world. Im sure his family would have liked a private burial.
Stop hating'. You have nothing to gain by assassinating a dead man.

[Emerald]

I'm just now watching this on CNN. The commentator said Debbie Rowe was invited, but chose not to attend.

That she was invited tells me MJ's kids have a huge input into this process. So much emphasis is being put on the choices made by the extended Family.

MJ's children have been raised to be strong, independent and smart. They are more integral to the decisions than they are being given credit. Paris has already proved to be outspoken and independent. Prince obviously has decision making capabilities if the Dr. sought him out first. Blanket is young enough to still be confused about the process. They know and understand more of what MJ wanted than anyone.

I don't doubt for a single second Paris and Prince would not hesitate to say NO if the situation called for it. They also have the powerful backing of the trustees/executors.

IMO