8/31, 9/1, 9/2

[desmom]

New day, new thread.

I am keeping my fingers crossed this happens sooner than later:

Taped Interviews To Be Released In Anthony Case
http://www.wesh.com/news/20604174/detail.html

In the coming days, the state attorney's office told WESH 2 they will release audio taped interviews with bail bondsmen Leonard Padilla and his team.

[desmom]

Cindy's myspace posting about her little angel missing tells me a different story. Her posting also provides her knowlege of Casey having no job, no money, and no place to stay....what will they do?

Cindy wrote "no money, no future".

Cindy's myspace post page 21 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2811062/Casey-Anthony-Documents-Released-Nov-26-008

She came into my life unexpectedly, just as she has left me. This precious little angel from above gave me strength and unconditional love. Now she is gone and I don’t know why. All I am guilty of is loving her and providing her a safe home. Jealousy has taken her away. Jealousy from the one person that should be thankful for all of the love and support given to her. A mother’s love is deep, however there are limits when one is betrayed by the one she loved and trusted the most. A daughter comes to her mother for support when she is pregnant, the mother says without hesitation it will be ok. And it was. But then the lies and betrayal began. First it seemed harmless, ah, love is blind. A mother will look for the good in her child and give them a chance to change. This mother gave chance after chance for her daughter to change, but instead more lies more betrayal. What does the mother get for giving her daughter all of these chances? A broken heart. The daughter who stole money, lots of money, leaves without warning and does not let her mother now speak to the baby that her mother raised, fed, clothed, sheltered, paid her medical bills, etc. Instead tells her friends that her mother is controlling her life and she needs her space. No money, no future. Where did she go? Who is now watching out for the little angel?

I do think Cindy's myspace post does show that things were not all hunky-dory between Cindy and Casey. Cindy wrote, She came into my life unexpectedly, just as she has left me. This precious little angel from above gave me strength and unconditional love. Now she is gone and I don’t know why. tells me Casey taking Caylee and leaving was not a planned vacation or a bonding trip as Cindy told the media. I also do not believe all of Cindy and Casey's communication during the 31 days was pleasant chit-chat about Casey's activities and travels.

IMO, Cindy had no idea what was going on. On the same day, Cindy went to Universal, paid for parking and called Casey only to be told they were in J'ville. I think Cindy was upset that Casey was keeping Caylee away from home. She probably expressed her frustration to Lee and that is why Lee went out looking for Casey.

[happygert]

Good Morning Desmom, Hoping the Judge makes his ruling soon on the check fraud case.. Hoping it will be a go.. I really think it's time for the victims to start getting Justice..Justice delayed is justice denied.

We Know its going to be a while before Caylee gets hers...But sooner or later it will happen..jb and company can't put it off forever.. I'm sure they'd like to..But one day the Judge will say enough is enough lets get on with it..

I do think in Fla. 2 years for a murder trial is the norm..The last case that jb defended for murder of a child also took 2 years to sentence him..
IIRC king murdered Denise Lee in 2007.. he was just tried last week and found guilty on Friday after only 2 hours of deliberation.. They took his car to courthouse so Jury could see it..

Hope they take casey's car to courthouse when hers starts.. But then again they make take Jury to where her car is because they probably wouldn't want the car smelling up the court house..

[happygert]

New day, new thread.

I am keeping my fingers crossed this happens sooner than later:

Taped Interviews To Be Released In Anthony Case
http://www.wesh.com/news/20604174/detail.html

In the coming days, the state attorney's office told WESH 2 they will release audio taped interviews with bail bondsmen Leonard Padilla and his team.

Oh ITA! hope it's soon too.. cant wait for those tapes.

BTW has media ever went to court to try and get the jailhouse tape of casey's reaction when Caylee's litle body was found?

[Scampi]

Good morning everyone. Thanks for the recap Des. I cannot wait for Linda Drane Burdick to ask cindy to explain exactly
what she meant when she wrote the following:

No money, no future. Where did she go? Who is now watching out for the little angel?

Especially since both anthonys are on record as saying casey had a job and a nanny. I think this prosecutor is going to expose lie after lie by the anthonys, all in their effort to save this accused baby killer.

[happygert]

I put up a three part YouTube interview with LP on my blog this morning. I guess they were done after the last hearing on BlogTalkRadio, and it gives a bit of insight into what their interviews will include and what they will testify to. Not wholly but in part anyway.

http://berry-designs.com/DixieDirt/

Good Morning Kathlb, and thank you.. dang I'll have to wait until I get back to listen.. thanks again.. bbl

[Jeepers]

I put up a three part YouTube interview with LP on my blog this morning. I guess they were done after the last hearing on BlogTalkRadio, and it gives a bit of insight into what their interviews will include and what they will testify to. Not wholly but in part anyway.

http://berry-designs.com/DixieDirt/

Lenny, saying Casey spoke around the house about Caylee in past tense. No tears ever.

This will be some interesting material to read and listen to when the docs are released to the public.

[ish]

Cindy wrote "no money, no future".

Cindy's myspace post page 21 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2811062/Casey-Anthony-Documents-Released-Nov-26-008

She came into my life unexpectedly, just as she has left me. This precious little angel from above gave me strength and unconditional love. Now she is gone and I don’t know why. All I am guilty of is loving her and providing her a safe home. Jealousy has taken her away. Jealousy from the one person that should be thankful for all of the love and support given to her. A mother’s love is deep, however there are limits when one is betrayed by the one she loved and trusted the most. A daughter comes to her mother for support when she is pregnant, the mother says without hesitation it will be ok. And it was. But then the lies and betrayal began. First it seemed harmless, ah, love is blind. A mother will look for the good in her child and give them a chance to change. This mother gave chance after chance for her daughter to change, but instead more lies more betrayal. What does the mother get for giving her daughter all of these chances? A broken heart. The daughter who stole money, lots of money, leaves without warning and does not let her mother now speak to the baby that her mother raised, fed, clothed, sheltered, paid her medical bills, etc. Instead tells her friends that her mother is controlling her life and she needs her space. No money, no future. Where did she go? Who is now watching out for the little angel?

I do think Cindy's myspace post does show that things were not all hunky-dory between Cindy and Casey. Cindy wrote, She came into my life unexpectedly, just as she has left me. This precious little angel from above gave me strength and unconditional love. Now she is gone and I don’t know why. tells me Casey taking Caylee and leaving was not a planned vacation or a bonding trip as Cindy told the media. I also do not believe all of Cindy and Casey's communication during the 31 days was pleasant chit-chat about Casey's activities and travels.

IMO, Cindy had no idea what was going on. On the same day, Cindy went to Universal, paid for parking and called Casey only to be told they were in J'ville. I think Cindy was upset that Casey was keeping Caylee away from home. She probably expressed her frustration to Lee and that is why Lee went out looking for Casey.

my bold

I'm pretty sure very few of the communications between Casey and Cindy were actual person to person calls. I'll bet 95 % of the communications were voice mails and texts and I doubt there was much detail in them. Look at the texts that have been released so far, very brief, cryptic comments. Cindy admitted in one of the LE interviews she only added texting to her cell phone recently to make it easier to communicate with Casey. I think Casey avoided contact with Cindy whenever possible. My main issue with Cindy is why wasn't she more pro active in cutting off Casey's funding. Cancel the credit cards, don't keep gas in the shed, change the locks to the house to keep her out. We know someone called JC Penny from the house during that month, was Cindy checking on the usage of the card or did Casey sneak home to use the house phone to activate a new credit card, one her mother was unaware of ?

[jammies]

Good morning everyone. Thanks for the recap Des. I cannot wait for Linda Drane Burdick to ask cindy to explain exactly
what she meant when she wrote the following:

No money, no future. Where did she go? Who is now watching out for the little angel?

Especially since both anthonys are on record as saying casey had a job and a nanny. I think this prosecutor is going to expose lie after lie by the anthonys, all in their effort to save this accused baby killer.


Morning, scamp. Yep, Cindy admits to no job, no nanny right there.
Must have totally sucked to be her...the only breadwinner in the family. GA and Casey lollygaggin' around the house, watchin' tv, sleeping in, takin' a dip in the pool, spending her money and probably snickering behind her back.

[jammies]

I put up a three part YouTube interview with LP on my blog this morning. I guess they were done after the last hearing on BlogTalkRadio, and it gives a bit of insight into what their interviews will include and what they will testify to. Not wholly but in part anyway.

http://berry-designs.com/DixieDirt/


Thanks, Kath. Will have to listen later when hubby takes a break from work.

[Jeepers]

Lenny, saying Casey spoke around the house about Caylee in past tense. No tears ever.

This will be some interesting material to read and listen to when the docs are released to the public.

Talking about the Daisy Chain interesting.

[ish]

LOL...just posted on the other thread about JB's wife looking preggie...can I post tinypic???

Well I guess he is not devoting all his time to Casey's defense.:thumbsup:

[bonniez45]

But, OMGosh sometimes I'm sometimes it's a good nthing.
I was reading last nites posts and I must say some very good points brought up about Cindy and Casey about that nite she got her from Tones and alot of hings make sense and do you really believe that Casey kept her mouth closed after they dropped off Amy. It makes m wonder more now exspecially when she was telling Lee that Caylee was gone and Cindy came rushing into the room with who took Casey and Lee atthe beginning had said he believed that his Mom doing that put that into Caseys' head but, with those excellent points brought up last nite that could have been the beginning of a plan and of course this is just my personl opinon.
Also 'm not qite sure about the realness of her act in court it looks like her dp attorney gave her some advice since it seemed to have that tone that she likes to use in court.
Please excuse any errors as I'm not going to reread this as I have to go.

[*Serenity*]

LOL...just posted on the other thread about JB's wife looking preggie...can I post tinypic???

That should be okay... last I heard the only not allowed is photobucket.

[*Serenity*]

But, OMGosh sometimes I'm sometimes it's a good nthing.
I was reading last nites posts and I must say some very good points brought up about Cindy and Casey about that nite she got her from Tones and alot of hings make sense and do you really believe that Casey kept her mouth closed after they dropped off Amy. It makes m wonder more now exspecially when she was telling Lee that Caylee was gone and Cindy came rushing into the room with who took Casey and Lee atthe beginning had said he believed that his Mom doing that put that into Caseys' head but, with those excellent points brought up last nite that could have been the beginning of a plan and of course this is just my personl opinon.
Also 'm not qite sure about the realness of her act in court it looks like her dp attorney gave her some advice since it seemed to have that tone that she likes to use in court.
Please excuse any errors as I'm not going to reread this as I have to go.

Cindy said: what have you done now?

IIRC this is also Casey's liitle spill to Lee about her Mother always calling her an unfit Mother -- AND-- then Casey also tells Lee
'this should have happened a long time ago'.... another code so to speak... what should have happened a long time ago?

[*Serenity*]

Yeah, along with the 20 some other cases he has taken on since this one...

I have the picture, and will post it if allowed...it is in tinypic.

Well... let's seee this priceless photo... lol
I thought Jose and wifey were having some trouble when he took that wedding band off. Maybe he has to take all jewelry off when going to visit the inmate and just decided to leave it off? He hasn't worn it since the very beginning of this case.

[101Spots]

OK...I will post it...it is interesting...I was trying to figure out who all the people are but Jose is evident and his wife is on the right in white dress...

http://i29.tinypic.com/w0qgdh.jpg

That's from Jose's daughter's recent graduation, I believe, That's her in the cap and gown. Probably the ex to her left?

[*Serenity*]

OK...I will post it...it is interesting...I was trying to figure out who all the people are but Jose is evident and his wife is on the right in white dress...

http://i29.tinypic.com/w0qgdh.jpg

His wife is pretty-- too bad she isn't as smart as she is pretty.
I say that because a smart woman would be humiliated to have
him for a husband-- especially his court room antics, and his
Casey drama. Wonder if he is still spending a lot of time with
her in jail?

[101Spots]

Lenny tapes to be released soon!!!


Therefore, sometime in the upcoming weeks, the State Attorney’s Office will release hours of audio interviews with Padilla and his employees including Tracy Mclaughlin and Rob Dick.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m8d30-Casey-Anthony-case-Taped-interviews-with-Padilla-and-team-to-be-released-in-upcoming-weeks
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I'd be more excited if they were going to be released in the upcoming *hours.*

Better than nothing, though.

[Pam1569]

Good morning to everyone

I just looked at the clerk's office and it seems that OC wrote a letter to Judge Evans.

8/28/2009 A CORRESPONDENCE FILED FROM INMATE TO JUDGE EVANS

I found Judge Evans web page, but it seems that the page is being updated at this time. I wonder if OC is trying to get a new judge for her trial?

The judge's page
http://www.ninthcircuit.org/judges/circuit_judges/robert_evans.shtml

[101Spots]

Good morning to everyone

I just looked at the clerk's office and it seems that OC wrote a letter to Judge Evans.

8/28/2009 A CORRESPONDENCE FILED FROM INMATE TO JUDGE EVANS

I found Judge Evans web page, but it seems that the page is being updated at this time. I wonder if OC is trying to get a new judge for her trial?

The judge's page
http://www.ninthcircuit.org/judges/circuit_judges/robert_evans.shtml

He's a family court judge??? Is that what you all get from this info:

Robert Evans (http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Evans_Robert_39743830.aspx)

[101Spots]

I believe Judge Evans signed the warrant to get Casey's phone records so I don't know if this has anything to do with getting Tony L.'s phone records or not. New Judge...no way!!!! I hope to God not!!!
Have to wait and see what this means I guess...anyone??? Bueller???
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Family court - maybe she's divorcing Cindy and George. :lol: :lol:

[desmom]

In the weekend thread, there were several posts about what happened at Tone's apartment. Here are 3 witness statements to the events that evening.

Amy's version of what happened at Tone's apartment: beginning on page 40 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/08%20Amy%20Huizenga%20July%2023,%202008.pdf

And I mean I heard everything. Even when I finally, because I got, initially got in the corner. Was like in the corner because I had pretty much knocked on the door to get Casey to come out. Motioned her mom over and got stuck in a corner for a few minutes with them yelling like right here. And I finally wiggled my way to go sit on the stairs, but I mean they're my ride. I couldn't go to terribly far. Uhm, and you know, was fortunately, slash, unfortunately able to hear all of what was happening. But it was a lot of just mother/daughter yelling at each other. You know, "You're lying about me." She told her mom that she was in Jacksonville that day...and she wasn't. And you know. She just, she just kept saying, "You are taking me to Caylee now." And Casey was like, "She's fine. She's with the nanny." And Mrs. Anthony was like, "Then if she then we're just going to go see her." She's like, "I want to see my granddaughter. I want to be selfish. I want to see my granddaughter." She's like, "You're taking her to me now." And pretty much forced, you know, Casey to, in the car. And they dropped me off and then from my knowledge they were, Casey was going to be, or she kept saying, "Fine. We'll drop Amy off and we'll talk." And she's like, "We can talk but you're taking me to Caylee.

Tone's version page 30 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1553039/Anthony-Lazaro-Full-Transcript-Taped-Interview-Casey-Anthony-Case-Documents

Actually what happened was I was just sitting there with my roommate uh, Nathan. We were playing video games and she, and Casey was sitting there at the couch also, on the laptop. And then all of a sudden uh, there was a knock on the door and I said, "Come in." And there was Amy just standing there with a miserable face and we were, we were both looked confused. And then Casey proceeded to go outside and was, mye and my roommate went back to playing video games. Uhm, then I would say about a half hour later uh, Casey and her mother, Cynthia Anthony, came to the door, Casey stormed in and looked like she was in tears. Uhm, and her mom said, "Get your things. Let, you're, you're coming with me." And Casey said, "No, I'm coming back." She said, "Okay, but I'm coming back." And she goes, "No, get all your things." And then uh, the grandmother said uh, made a comment to me while I was sitting on the couch, because she was waiting at the door and I said, uh yeah (affirmative), hello, you know, because I never, I've seen pictures of the woman, but I never met her. So I was saying, you know, being friendly. Like you know, "Hello. You can come in." Like because she was waiting at the door. And uh, she came in and she goes, "I hope you're rich because Casey's going to take all your money and leave you high and dry." And me and my roommate were just looking at her like, like, what? What? I have no, what are you talking about? Like because I had no idea about uh, her with I guess the money. I guess the whole situation with the mother, Amy and Casey were about the money situation. Uhm, I guess that's what they talked about because that's why I guess Amy was there with the grandmother. Uhm, but uh, so that happened. She said that and then Casey said, "Shut up," and they, she stormed outside and the grandmother followed her. And..

LE asked Tone if the grandmother ever mentioned Caylee at that point and Tone said, No. That was well she made a, she said, she yelled at Casey, made that comment to me, and they both walked out the door.

Nathan's, Tone's roommate, version page 20 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5687695/Casey-Anthony-Nathan-Lezniewicz-transcript

Uh, Tony and I were sitting there playing video games. Playing uh, MLB2K8 and waiting for the All Star game, game to come on . It was between, the All Star game started like eight, so I would venture to say between six thirty and seven-thirty, we were playing video games. There was a knock on the door. Casey was sitting on the couch with us. She was closest to get around so she got up, got the door. Amy was standing outside the front door and she's like, "I need to speak with you." So Casey stepped outside. The door shut at that point. We didn't hear any of the conversation. A couple minutes later the door opens, Casey walks in, beelining (sic) for Tony's room, with Cindy Anthony in hot pursuit. And in walks Amy behind Cindy. So while they're, and Cindy looks at Casey. She's like, "Get your **** and let's go." And Casey's like, "I'm not going anywhere. If you want to talk then let's go outside and talk." Casey stormed out in front of her mother outside. Her mother loos at Tony and I and says, "I hope you guys are rich because she's going to take you for everything you have." And they all exited. That was the last we saw of, that's the last time I've seen Casey Anthony.

[Kathlb]

This pic of Casey must have been way early on in this case and court hearing. She looks a lot better with her hair tide back and her skin looks a lot healthier.
It must me a bummer looking at herself in court now.:huh:

If she does not have the right products available to her for her hygiene and hair she should tie that hair up in a bun. The girl does not look good with her greasy hair down on her shoulders. Perhaps a trip to the hair cut gallery would do her justice while she's sitting around in jail. I can't imagine AL or any of the defense team telling her to look the way she has the last two times she's been in court.
jmo

I wonder if some of the "statements" she uttered to Tracey when they picked her up after being at Baez's office all day were statements about Jose??? And that is one of the reasons he is fighting their release?

[*Serenity*]

In the weekend thread, there were several posts about what happened at Tone's apartment. Here are 3 witness statements to the events that evening.

Amy's version of what happened at Tone's apartment: beginning on page 40 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/08%20Amy%20Huizenga%20July%2023,%202008.pdf

And I mean I heard everything. Even when I finally, because I got, initially got in the corner. Was like in the corner because I had pretty much knocked on the door to get Casey to come out. Motioned her mom over and got stuck in a corner for a few minutes with them yelling like right here. And I finally wiggled my way to go sit on the stairs, but I mean they're my ride. I couldn't go to terribly far. Uhm, and you know, was fortunately, slash, unfortunately able to hear all of what was happening. But it was a lot of just mother/daughter yelling at each other. You know, "You're lying about me." She told her mom that she was in Jacksonville that day...and she wasn't. And you know. She just, she just kept saying, "You are taking me to Caylee now." And Casey was like, "She's fine. She's with the nanny." And Mrs. Anthony was like, "Then if she then we're just going to go see her." She's like, "I want to see my granddaughter. I want to be selfish. I want to see my granddaughter." She's like, "You're taking her to me now." And pretty much forced, you know, Casey to, in the car. And they dropped me off and then from my knowledge they were, Casey was going to be, or she kept saying, "Fine. We'll drop Amy off and we'll talk." And she's like, "We can talk but you're taking me to Caylee.

Tone's version page 30 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1553039/Anthony-Lazaro-Full-Transcript-Taped-Interview-Casey-Anthony-Case-Documents

Actually what happened was I was just sitting there with my roommate uh, Nathan. We were playing video games and she, and Casey was sitting there at the couch also, on the laptop. And then all of a sudden uh, there was a knock on the door and I said, "Come in." And there was Amy just standing there with a miserable face and we were, we were both looked confused. And then Casey proceeded to go outside and was, mye and my roommate went back to playing video games. Uhm, then I would say about a half hour later uh, Casey and her mother, Cynthia Anthony, came to the door, Casey stormed in and looked like she was in tears. Uhm, and her mom said, "Get your things. Let, you're, you're coming with me." And Casey said, "No, I'm coming back." She said, "Okay, but I'm coming back." And she goes, "No, get all your things." And then uh, the grandmother said uh, made a comment to me while I was sitting on the couch, because she was waiting at the door and I said, uh yeah (affirmative), hello, you know, because I never, I've seen pictures of the woman, but I never met her. So I was saying, you know, being friendly. Like you know, "Hello. You can come in." Like because she was waiting at the door. And uh, she came in and she goes, "I hope you're rich because Casey's going to take all your money and leave you high and dry." And me and my roommate were just looking at her like, like, what? What? I have no, what are you talking about? Like because I had no idea about uh, her with I guess the money. I guess the whole situation with the mother, Amy and Casey were about the money situation. Uhm, I guess that's what they talked about because that's why I guess Amy was there with the grandmother. Uhm, but uh, so that happened. She said that and then Casey said, "Shut up," and they, she stormed outside and the grandmother followed her. And..

LE asked Tone if the grandmother ever mentioned Caylee at that point and Tone said, No. That was well she made a, she said, she yelled at Casey, made that comment to me, and they both walked out the door.

Nathan's, Tone's roommate, version page 20 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5687695/Casey-Anthony-Nathan-Lezniewicz-transcript

Uh, Tony and I were sitting there playing video games. Playing uh, MLB2K8 and waiting for the All Star game, game to come on . It was between, the All Star game started like eight, so I would venture to say between six thirty and seven-thirty, we were playing video games. There was a knock on the door. Casey was sitting on the couch with us. She was closest to get around so she got up, got the door. Amy was standing outside the front door and she's like, "I need to speak with you." So Casey stepped outside. The door shut at that point. We didn't hear any of the conversation. A couple minutes later the door opens, Casey walks in, beelining (sic) for Tony's room, with Cindy Anthony in hot pursuit. And in walks Amy behind Cindy. So while they're, and Cindy looks at Casey. She's like, "Get your **** and let's go." And Casey's like, "I'm not going anywhere. If you want to talk then let's go outside and talk." Casey stormed out in front of her mother outside. Her mother loos at Tony and I and says, "I hope you guys are rich because she's going to take you for everything you have." And they all exited. That was the last we saw of, that's the last time I've seen Casey Anthony.


Yes-- exactly what I pointed out last night without the transcripts.
Cindy bad-mouths Casey to TonE and his pal... AND never-not one time did she ask either of them about Caylee, nor did she search that apartment for Caylee. How did Cindy know Caylee wasn't there--and would allow Casey to talk to her--but she was going to take her to Caylee. Bizarre... that she does nothing at that apartment in regards to Caylee.

Thank you desmom for the above transcripts-- nice to review after this much time as passed by.

[Pam1569]

He's a family court judge??? Is that what you all get from this info:

Robert Evans (http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Evans_Robert_39743830.aspx)

Hi 101,
I just had a strange thought. Remember when Padilla on NG said that LE knew who the real dad of Caylee was. Maybe the real dad is going to go after her for a wrongful death suit now. Maybe I am guessing here.

[desmom]

If I understand it correctly, when Cindy said the car smelled like a dead body in the 911 call that would be considered excited utterance. Would Cindy's statements to Tone, Nathan, Ryan and Amy be admissible? TIA

[Pam1569]

If I understand it correctly, when Cindy said the car smelled like a dead body in the 911 call that would be considered excited utterance. Would Cindy's statements to Tone, Nathan, Ryan and Amy be admissible? TIA

Hi desmom, I am sure that they would be since they are and would be telling what Cindy or OC had said to them personally. jmo

[desmom]

Yes-- exactly what I pointed out last night without the transcripts.
Cindy bad-mouths Casey to TonE and his pal... AND never-not one time did she ask either of them about Caylee, nor did she search that apartment for Caylee. How did Cindy know Caylee wasn't there--and would allow Casey to talk to her--but she was going to take her to Caylee. Bizarre... that she does nothing at that apartment in regards to Caylee.

Thank you desmom for the above transcripts-- nice to review after this much time as passed by.

IMO, because Cindy did not know Casey was living at Tone's and Casey told Cindy that Caylee was with the nanny per Amy's interview.

[101Spots]

Hi 101,
I just had a strange thought. Remember when Padilla on NG said that LE knew who the real dad of Caylee was. Maybe the real dad is going to go after her for a wrongful death suit now. Maybe I am guessing here.

But wouldn't we have seen something about a suit filed against her in the court log? It's not like she can sneeze without the media getting ahold of it. :shrug:

[101Spots]

IMO, because Cindy did not know Casey was living at Tone's and Casey told Cindy that Caylee was with the nanny per Amy's interview.

The only thing I've seen/heard about that is a statement from Cindy that the apartment was full of smoke, so she knew Caylee wasn't there.

Please don't ask me for a link.

[Pam1569]

Oh yeah...Cindy said "I changed my mind on that...I never changed my mind on that"

What if they ask Cindy what she said???
Is it still considered exited utterance???

Hi Rapunzel, It is my understanding that she can say what she wants right now to counter what she said, but it is on the 911 tape from her own mouth and that would be considered an excited utterance. So no matter what it is on tape and that means it is a record of what occurred. To bad for her that she can't erase the tape. :tonguewag:

[KittyMom]

Bring on the doc dump and tapes. :crying:

[Pam1569]

But wouldn't we have seen something about a suit filed against her in the court log? It's not like she can sneeze without the media getting ahold of it. :shrug:

I thought of that and came to the conclusion that if the attorney for the father of Caylee wrote a letter notifying Baez of possible action coming against OC then no it would not have gone the clerk's office yet. jmo

[ish]

Yes-- exactly what I pointed out last night without the transcripts.
Cindy bad-mouths Casey to TonE and his pal... AND never-not one time did she ask either of them about Caylee, nor did she search that apartment for Caylee. How did Cindy know Caylee wasn't there--and would allow Casey to talk to her--but she was going to take her to Caylee. Bizarre... that she does nothing at that apartment in regards to Caylee.

Thank you desmom for the above transcripts-- nice to review after this much time as passed by.

I always assumed that Amy told Cindy that Caylee wasn't at TonE's apt. Amy had been there earlier when Casey picked everyone up from the airport and they discussed that in the car on the way to Tone's. Casey went outside in front of TonE's to talk to Cindy and in that conversation Casey insisted Caylee was at the nanny's. I just don't find it suspicious or odd that Cindy didn't search the apt for Caylee, to me it was pretty clear by that point that Caylee wasn't there. I guess she could have looked, it wouldn't have been strange if she did but I don't think it strange that she didn't.

[101Spots]

Bring on the doc dump and tapes. :crying:

I'm grumpy. For the last doc dump a week and a half ago, the items listed included these interviews, and LE was || <--- this close to releasing them when Jose filed his motion. That tells me they should already be in "releasable" format. So *now* what's the holdup?? :mad:

[101Spots]

I thought of that and came to the conclusion that if the attorney for the father of Caylee wrote a letter notifying Baez of possible action coming against OC then no it would not have gone the clerk's office yet. jmo

But then the case would not have been assigned a judge, so how would she know to write to Evans?

I'm confuzzled.

[ish]

The only thing I've seen/heard about that is a statement from Cindy that the apartment was full of smoke, so she knew Caylee wasn't there.

Please don't ask me for a link.

If she said that (and I believe I read the same thing) it shows just what an azz she is. Jeez!!! The kid is missing and unaccounted for while in the custody of her mother for 30 days but Cindy knows Casey wouldn't allow her to be around cigarette smoke. What a bozo!!! I think the reason Casey didn't want Caylee around smoke was less for the sake of Caylee's health then it was to keep Cindy from thinking Casey had Caylee at parties instead of at a nanny's house.

[Pam1569]

But then the case would not have been assigned a judge, so how would she know to write to Evans?

I'm confuzzled.

101, With this case everything that the defense has done or said has :confused: me. LOL

[marinewife5]

If she said that (and I believe I read the same thing) it shows just what an azz she is. Jeez!!! The kid is missing and unaccounted for while in the custody of her mother for 30 days but Cindy knows Casey wouldn't allow her to be around cigarette smoke. What a bozo!!! I think the reason Casey didn't want Caylee around smoke was less for the sake of Caylee's health then it was to keep Cindy from thinking Casey had Caylee at parties instead of at a nanny's house.

i believe casey would have preferred to keep caylee in the trunk rather than listen to her mother gripe about caylee's clothes smelling like smoke, and it was better than listening to her parents gripe when she wanted them to watch caylee so she could go out. she wasn't going to spend her hard earned money on a legit sitter. and of course, not partying when she had her daughter was not an option. that cindy was so convinced that caylee couldn't have been at tone's because the apartment was full of smoke leads me to believe that it is something cindy directed her on before, rather than casey is such a good mom she wouldn't have had her in such an environment.

bottom line in all of that for me is, the casey-cindy power struggle rated higher than caylee's wellbeing and whereabouts.

jmo

[101Spots]

Judge Robert Evans – signed court order for AT&T to obtain Casey’s cell phone records.

http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/casey-anthony-whos-who-list-revised-8-20-2009/who-is-who-on-the-legal-teams/

Of course! It's a clear as mud now!

I detect a chink in Jose's armor if his client is on the loose writing letters to a judge. <snicker>

[ttcRider]

gotta love typos... Andrea D. Lyon, Deaf Penalty Qualified Defense Attorney :laugh:

[101Spots]

I still can't figure why a family court judge signs an order for KC cell records but???

Wish I knew why she was trying to contact him???

Yep...clear as mud...

I can see Evens signing an order if Stan was out of town, or otherwise indisposed. I think the cops can get any [qualified] judge to sign warrants, can't they? This is sometimes a hurry-up thing, and whoever is available gets the gig. At least on tee vee.

Now why Casey would write to him at this point is a total conundrum.

[ish]

Did the imaginary Nanny smoke???...:wink:

imaginary ciggies!!:rolleyes:

[ttcRider]

I can see Evens signing an order if Stan was out of town, or otherwise indisposed. I think the cops can get any [qualified] judge to sign warrants, can't they? This is sometimes a hurry-up thing, and whoever is available gets the gig. At least on tee vee.

Now why Casey would write to him at this point is a total conundrum at this point.

Casey must be busy these days doing homework. :closedeyes:

[Barbara fl.]

I always assumed that Amy told Cindy that Caylee wasn't at TonE's apt. Amy had been there earlier when Casey picked everyone up from the airport and they discussed that in the car on the way to Tone's. Casey went outside in front of TonE's to talk to Cindy and in that conversation Casey insisted Caylee was at the nanny's. I just don't find it suspicious or odd that Cindy didn't search the apt for Caylee, to me it was pretty clear by that point that Caylee wasn't there. I guess she could have looked, it wouldn't have been strange if she did but I don't think it strange that she didn't.


Maybe it wouldn't have been strange not to search Tone's apt...but when Casey couldn't take her to where Caylee was, and smelling the odor of death in the car...I would have figured it out....even if I was hoping against hope that Casey was telling the truth...the mere fact that she refused to take Cindy to where Caylee was, would have been enough for me....

[Barbara fl.]

If she said that (and I believe I read the same thing) it shows just what an azz she is. Jeez!!! The kid is missing and unaccounted for while in the custody of her mother for 30 days but Cindy knows Casey wouldn't allow her to be around cigarette smoke. What a bozo!!! I think the reason Casey didn't want Caylee around smoke was less for the sake of Caylee's health then it was to keep Cindy from thinking Casey had Caylee at parties instead of at a nanny's house.


Your right.....cigarette smoke verses duct tape.....unbelievable....

[KatieLady]

Of course! It's a clear as mud now!

I detect a chink in Jose's armor if his client is on the loose writing letters to a judge. <snicker>

Could it be something composed by JB but signed by Casey?

[Barbara fl.]

KC used duct tape so Caylee wouldn't inhale any of that deadly smoke!!!! OMG!!! Lets not give the defense any new idea's!!!!!!!!!


It wouldn't surprise me if they did say that....:sneaky:

[Bala]

I can see Evens signing an order if Stan was out of town, or otherwise indisposed. I think the cops can get any [qualified] judge to sign warrants, can't they? This is sometimes a hurry-up thing, and whoever is available gets the gig. At least on tee vee.

Now why Casey would write to him at this point is a total conundrum.

If the first charge against Casey was child neglect that would have gone to family court?

[Barbara fl.]

Judge Robert Evans – signed court order for AT&T to obtain Casey’s cell phone records.

http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/casey-anthony-whos-who-list-revised-8-20-2009/who-is-who-on-the-legal-teams/


I noticedthat they prited DEAF qualified attorney...and they wrote it the same way or the other attorney at the bottom of that site....

Why DEAF and not DEATH? does it signafy something else?

[tmw]

OK...I will post it...it is interesting...I was trying to figure out who all the people are but Jose is evident and his wife is on the right in white dress...

http://i29.tinypic.com/w0qgdh.jpg

Who wears a cocktail dress to a daytime graduation? tacky!

[frances1]

OK...I will post it...it is interesting...I was trying to figure out who all the people are but Jose is evident and his wife is on the right in white dress...

http://i29.tinypic.com/w0qgdh.jpg

Rapunzel, are we sure that is his wife in the white dress? She looks awfully young to be the mother of adult children, or is this not his first wife?

[Lapis]

You may be right about any judge signing...where are our legal eagles???

I don't know about Florida, but here in NJ the judges rotate being on emergent duty. They each take a week wherein they are available 24/7 for matters that come up including after hours and on weekends. It doesn't matter which department they are assigned to, they hear the matters on an emergent basis. Given that at the time Caylee was listed officially as a missing child, LE could have applied for a warrant on an emergent basis and Judge Evans was on duty. I don't doubt that AT&T required a warrant before turning over phone records. JMO

[ish]

Maybe it wouldn't have been strange not to search Tone's apt...but when Casey couldn't take her to where Caylee was, and smelling the odor of death in the car...I would have figured it out....even if I was hoping against hope that Casey was telling the truth...the mere fact that she refused to take Cindy to where Caylee was, would have been enough for me....

I've come to the conclusion that we can't understand the actions/inactions of Cindy because we look at things in a normal, rational manner. Cindy, not so much.:laugh:

[101Spots]

Could it be something composed by JB but signed by Casey?

Anything is possible, I suppose. But I'd be surprised if Jose tried to "go in the back door" in this manner. Hasn't he had his hand slapped enough? Oh, duh. It's *Jose.* Silly me.

How about: Casey learned something important from reading all her law books and she's reaching out to a fellow colleague for further explanation, clarification, and mentoring.

On second thought, that's pretty stoopid, too.

[KittyMom]

I'm grumpy. For the last doc dump a week and a half ago, the items listed included these interviews, and LE was || <--- this close to releasing them when Jose filed his motion. That tells me they should already be in "releasable" format. So *now* what's the holdup?? :mad:

ITA....They should be ready to hand out and one whisper that LE was ready and Media would be knocking the doors down. Kathi....get those tapes!!!!

[Scampi]

Rapunzel, are we sure that is his wife in the white dress? She looks awfully young to be the mother of adult children, or is this not his first wife?

jose is divorced, that is probably wife number two.

[Katprint]

Yes-- exactly what I pointed out last night without the transcripts.
Cindy bad-mouths Casey to TonE and his pal... AND never-not one time did she ask either of them about Caylee, nor did she search that apartment for Caylee. How did Cindy know Caylee wasn't there--and would allow Casey to talk to her--but she was going to take her to Caylee. Bizarre... that she does nothing at that apartment in regards to Caylee.

Thank you desmom for the above transcripts-- nice to review after this much time as passed by.
The roommate mentioned that Casey went straight to TonE's room to get her stuff with Cindy "in hot pursuit." Cindy didn't see Caylee in the familyroom area where everyone was playing videogames. Having followed Casey into TonE's room, Cindy didn't see Caylee in TonE's room while Casey was getting her stuff (note: and not any of Caylee's stuff). When they were leaving, neither TonE nor his bachelor roommates said anything along the lines of, "Hey, you can't leave your kid here! Take her with you!"

At that point, Cindy would have been relatively certain that Caylee was not in that apartment. Where else was she going to search in there? The bathroom? The kitchen cabinets? The bedroom closets? The trash can? (Actually, in retrospect, searching the trash can does not seem so outlandish but surely Cindy could not have anticipated that outcome at the time.)

Katprint
Who defends of neutral behavior on the rare occasions that the Anthonys engage in it
Always only my own opinions

[101Spots]

If the first charge against Casey was child neglect that would have gone to family court?

Oooooooo, we may have a winner!

I don't know, but if this is true, wouldn't the first arrest warrant show "family court" instead of "criminal?" We need Desmom on the job to check for us.

[101Spots]

Rapunzel, are we sure that is his wife in the white dress? She looks awfully young to be the mother of adult children, or is this not his first wife?

She's the trophy wife, #2.

[Katprint]

Well... let's seee this priceless photo... lol
I thought Jose and wifey were having some trouble when he took that wedding band off. Maybe he has to take all jewelry off when going to visit the inmate and just decided to leave it off? He hasn't worn it since the very beginning of this case.
I have NEVER been required to take off my wedding band. Not in jail (where the rules are a little bit looser) and not in prison. Even when I was taking depositions in Folsom prison during a time of inmate unrest and they made me take off my bra because of the underwire in it, they let me keep my wedding band on.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[ish]

She's the trophy wife, #2.

And what a trophy she scored!! She must be so proud of her bozo.

[KittyMom]

The mother of Jose's children had problems getting him to pay child support. There are documents somewhere.

[*Serenity*]

The roommate mentioned that Casey went straight to TonE's room to get her stuff with Cindy "in hot pursuit." Cindy didn't see Caylee in the familyroom area where everyone was playing videogames. Having followed Casey into TonE's room, Cindy didn't see Caylee in TonE's room while Casey was getting her stuff (note: and not any of Caylee's stuff). When they were leaving, neither TonE nor his bachelor roommates said anything along the lines of, "Hey, you can't leave your kid here! Take her with you!"

At that point, Cindy would have been relatively certain that Caylee was not in that apartment. Where else was she going to search in there? The bathroom? The kitchen cabinets? The bedroom closets? The trash can? (Actually, in retrospect, searching the trash can does not seem so outlandish but surely Cindy could not have anticipated that outcome at the time.)

Katprint
Who defends of neutral behavior on the rare occasions that the Anthonys engage in it
Always only my own opinions

I can follow along with this... still would like to know why Cindy didn't question TonE and his roomie -- if they had seen Caylee... She had no problem announcing her concern about them being rich- and Casey taking them!! lol

I still go back to Cindy calling Amy and yapping out that Casey could go to jail...!! Why did Cindy think Casey would be going to jail?

[*Serenity*]

I have NEVER been required to take off my wedding band. Not in jail (where the rules are a little bit looser) and not in prison. Even when I was taking depositions in Folsom prison during a time of inmate unrest and they made me take off my bra because of the underwire in it, they let me keep my wedding band on.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Well.. there ya go... he took if off for other reasons. LOL

I've never stepped foot in a jail in all of my life -- so I am obviously
clueless about any rules/regs or procedures. (( thank gawd ))

[desmom]

Ya know, Casey is and was a pizz poor excuse for a mother. Cindy knew she was 100% unfit. Every time she was seen or she would talk to her mother, Caylee was with the nanny.
There is no reason why I wouldn't demand for my daughter to bring that baby to me and not be sitting with a Nanny to look after her 24/7 when she was not with a family member.
I can not wrap my brain around the likes of a Grand mother who behaves like she is in such mourning and George to boot.
They wanted nothing with this child 3/4 of the time. The minute she disappears and the camera's are on they both jumped at the chance to give the impression that they were both the greatest Grand parents ever put on this earth.
George:sneaky: "I miss taking Caylee outside before she went to bed to look at the stars." (That took a lot of effort) Why not miss reading her a bedtime story every night before she went to sleep!
These two Grand parents did less than desirable when Caylee was with them.
I think Caylee was a lot troubled when she was only two years old. She had a lot to digest at such a young baby's age.
We never seen her genuinely smile, laugh out loud or run to Mommy or Grandma. They left her to look after herself once she was a toddler.

The entire family is phony.

God bless Caylee...:sad::rose:
jmo

bolding mine.... I thought the A's neighbors told LE they would see George and Cindy pushing Caylee in the stroller and taking her for walks around the neighborhood.

What the heck are their names? He said something like Casey had boyfriends lined up all the way to Ohio.

jmo

[101Spots]

bolding mine.... I thought the A's neighbors told LE they would see George and Cindy pushing Caylee in the stroller and taking her for walks around the neighborhood.

What the heck are their names? He said something like Casey had boyfriends lined up all the way to Ohio.

jmo

Surname Dickens. I forget the first names.

[martha]

Good morning everyone, Hope you all have a wonderful day. I hear all the talk about c and g and how bad cig.smoke is and they don;t want to be around it or anyone in their family was not around it. I can say and with out a doubt in my mind that c and g both were cig smokers. they act just like people do when they stop smoking. It is really bad to smoke but not everyone can stop. I don;t hold it ag anyone if they smoke and can;t stop. just like when someone stops drinking it is awful to be around them. Now I am so glad when someone stops drinking and takes better care of them selfs but why make everyone miserable around you with your life and what is going on with you. If g and c just smoked and did not lie so much which would be better? I am just sick of them saying casey would not have CAYLEE around cig smoke it sure would have been better that what she did to her.jmho

[really3997]

She's the trophy wife, #2.

Are we sure that is his wife. She looks more like the sister. I am not convinced that is her. Sorry I need more proof.

[*Serenity*]

bolding mine.... I thought the A's neighbors told LE they would see George and Cindy pushing Caylee in the stroller and taking her for walks around the neighborhood.

What the heck are their names? He said something like Casey had boyfriends lined up all the way to Ohio.

jmo


That couple was so cute and trying to help anyway they could.
Maybe that is on youtube somewhere... that was a great interview.

[desmom]

Surname Dickens. I forget the first names.

That couple was so cute and trying to help anyway they could.
Maybe that is on youtube somewhere... that was a great interview.


Thanks! I found it. Joyce & Bailey Dickens.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSBGyYFwtTk

[MorningGlory]

I have NEVER been required to take off my wedding band. Not in jail (where the rules are a little bit looser) and not in prison. Even when I was taking depositions in Folsom prison during a time of inmate unrest and they made me take off my bra because of the underwire in it, they let me keep my wedding band on.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Wow Katprint. If you wrote a book about your experiences, I would buy it! I have always had this strange fascination with prisons and prison life. When we went to San Francisco on our honeymoon, (many moons ago), I was most excited about visiting Alcatraz.:rolleyes: I watch just about any movies/tv stories I come across about prison. (The current favorite is Locked Up Abroad). Mind you, I would probably collapse from fear if I were ever really in one, but I love looking in from the outside....

[summer4meplz]

bolding mine.... I thought the A's neighbors told LE they would see George and Cindy pushing Caylee in the stroller and taking her for walks around the neighborhood.

What the heck are their names? He said something like Casey had boyfriends lined up all the way to Ohio.

jmo

this totally thrills me to provide you with a link, Des.....:biggrin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSBGyYFwtTk&feature=channel_page

[summer4meplz]

this totally thrills me to provide you with a link, Des.....:biggrin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSBGyYFwtTk&feature=channel_page


eta...you beat me....:tongueside:

[bchand]

eta...you beat me....:tongueside:

Nice try though summer !!! lol

I think we should all write to the prosecutors and get them to sign up Des for the trial. Every lie that the Anthonys utter on the stand, she'll be there with a link to prove it.

[101Spots]

Are we sure that is his wife. She looks more like the sister. I am not convinced that is her. Sorry I need more proof.

There is a very early video of Jose and Wifey on Geraldo's boat. Gerry refers to her as "stunning" or "beautiful" or some superlative. She only appears for a couple seconds, but she does look like the one in the photo.

[desmom]

this totally thrills me to provide you with a link, Des.....:biggrin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSBGyYFwtTk&feature=channel_page

Thank you Summer. It is very much appreciated! :seeya:

[martha]

This is the first time I have heard this intv.with this couple. has it been on before? did the le talk to them? has le talked toK-Torres? They have cindy down pat.and casey too. this is new to me and I guess I just missed it along the way.jmho

[desmom]

There is a very early video of Jose and Wifey on Geraldo's boat. Gerry refers to her as "stunning" or "beautiful" or some superlative. She only appears for a couple seconds, but she does look like the one in the photo.

This video has a small clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2OLOhoV8mE

Still looking for the whole interview.

[martha]

Is there a transcript of this couples intv.I would love to read it since the video does not play very good and I can;t understand a lot they or saying.jmho

[Holden]

Yes-- exactly what I pointed out last night without the transcripts.
Cindy bad-mouths Casey to TonE and his pal... AND never-not one time did she ask either of them about Caylee, nor did she search that apartment for Caylee. How did Cindy know Caylee wasn't there--and would allow Casey to talk to her--but she was going to take her to Caylee. Bizarre... that she does nothing at that apartment in regards to Caylee.

Thank you desmom for the above transcripts-- nice to review after this much time as passed by.

I think that's an excellent point, Serenity. CA was very concerned about Caylee AND she knew what kind of a daughter she had raised (liar, thief, etc) so even tho Amy said Caylee was not there, why didn't Cindy barge into that apt and search for herself? Why? Had it been me and I had raised such a daughter, I would have disregarded everything she said and demanded to search every inch of that apt. How did she know Caylee wasn't there? Why did she decide to believe Amy, who she did not know? :confused:

[Sun]

Good morning to everyone

I just looked at the clerk's office and it seems that OC wrote a letter to Judge Evans.

8/28/2009 A CORRESPONDENCE FILED FROM INMATE TO JUDGE EVANS

I found Judge Evans web page, but it seems that the page is being updated at this time. I wonder if OC is trying to get a new judge for her trial?

The judge's page
http://www.ninthcircuit.org/judges/circuit_judges/robert_evans.shtml

Pam, thanks so much for checking the Clerk of Courts records and posting this. Does anyone remember who the very first Judge was that Casey went before, who denied her bail completely? I would really like to know if it was this Judge Evans?

I'm slowly on the way to recovery from my illness, very slowly. Thanks everyone for your concerns, and hopefully in the next week or so I'll be feeling strong enough to be posting more. Thanks for all your prayers!

[Bala]

I have a question for one of our legal eagles. Does Casey asking the judge to put off the fraud case until November effect his ability to grant the defenses motion to delay the trail. Florida law states the victim has a right to a quick trail as well as the defendant and Nov. of 2010 would be over 2 years since Casey's arrest for the fraud. At what point does the judge have to say I have to follow the law and allow Amy her day in court?

[Bala]

Here I go guessing again, but in the Phil Spector case and the OJ case, the civil trials were based on the criminal trial and I think they came after so that if found guilty in the criminal trial, it would help the family in the civil trial.

In this case, the civil trial for Amy has really nothing to do with the criminal death penalty trial so it could conceivably fall back on the normal rules and timing as any other civil case. So the Judge could rule that Amy has the right to a trial now or soon due to the due process of law. Just guessing...but it makes sense to me. ;-)
The fraud case is not a civil trail Casey is charge with fraud in criminal court which is where it will be held.

[sammy62]

That couple was so cute and trying to help anyway they could.
Maybe that is on youtube somewhere... that was a great interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSBGyYFwtTk

this is the interview with the neighbors....

oops....sorry someone beat me.

[Darcy]

Here I go guessing again, but in the Phil Spector case and the OJ case, the civil trials were based on the criminal trial and I think they came after so that if found guilty in the criminal trial, it would help the family in the civil trial.

In this case, the civil trial for Amy has really nothing to do with the criminal death penalty trial so it could conceivably fall back on the normal rules and timing as any other civil case. So the Judge could rule that Amy has the right to a trial now or soon due to the due process of law. Just guessing...but it makes sense to me. ;-)



I thought the Fraud case, that involves Amy is a criminal case not a civil case like ZG case.

[Kathlb]

I thought the Fraud case, that involves Amy is a criminal case not a civil case like ZG case.

It is... I was corrected above and rightfully so. :thumbup: Just shows you what this case can do to your mind. :-)

[martha]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSBGyYFwtTk

this is the interview with the neighbors....

oops....sorry someone beat me. Is this an interview the le did with this couple? I have never seen it before. Did le talk to k-Torres? I must have missed it.sorry if I am being to much trouble over this.To me it is very telling. I would think the da would have this couple in court.jmho

[Darcy]

It is... I was corrected above and rightfully so. :thumbup: Just shows you what this case can do to your mind. :-)



Hello Kath, been a sad lurker for some time, never quite sure when to jump in :wink:

[AnniePie]

Hello Kath, been a sad lurker for some time, never quite sure when to jump in :wink:

There's no time like the present, Darcy! Welcome (and don't be sad. You can be fat and lazy but not sad. FLaBs unite!) :smile:

[bchand]

Pam, thanks so much for checking the Clerk of Courts records and posting this. Does anyone remember who the very first Judge was that Casey went before, who denied her bail completely? I would really like to know if it was this Judge Evans?

I'm slowly on the way to recovery from my illness, very slowly. Thanks everyone for your concerns, and hopefully in the next week or so I'll be feeling strong enough to be posting more. Thanks for all your prayers!

Sun - I'm so glad to hear that you are recovering. You are missed here!!

I thought Judge Strickland WAS the only judge she's appeared before. Remember he said "the truth and Miss Anthony are strangers"?

I don't think that was the bail hearing - it was the first brief hearing.

[bchand]

There's no time like the present, Darcy! Welcome (and don't be sad. You can be fat and lazy but not sad. FLaBs unite!) :smile:

Welcome from me too Darcy. Jump in !!!

[Darcy]

There's no time like the present, Darcy! Welcome (and don't be sad. You can be fat and lazy but not sad. FLaBs unite!) :smile:



Thanks for the welcome :thumbup: Where do I sign up ? The posters here seem to have things well under control. Looking forward to Justice for Caylee from across the pond :laugh:

[happygert]

LOL...just posted on the other thread about JB's wife looking preggie...can I post tinypic???

PM please I want to see it......thank you

[Sun]

Sun - I'm so glad to hear that you are recovering. You are missed here!!

I thought Judge Strickland WAS the only judge she's appeared before. Remember he said "the truth and Miss Anthony are strangers"?

I don't think that was the bail hearing - it was the first brief hearing.

IIRC, there was another judge that first saw Casey. I think that Casey hadn't even hired Baez yet. It was that early...

[farrahrani]

Well...I have to say I stand corrected, desmom.

When they were interviewing TonE he indicated Casey had called him the first part in July and he heard Caylee in the back ground saying Mommy and wanting something and Casey told her to wait a minute, "mommies on the phone."
This couple from down the street say that when Keo Torres was talking to Casey she heard the same thing on July 9. Caylee in the back ground and trying to talk to Casey and Casey said, "Just a moment, Mommies on the phone." None of this makes a bit of sense to me.
No dock dump yet.
Perhaps you would like to give me your understanding of this. Did I miss something. Have been known to do this more than once.:blushing:
TIA
JMO

Snipped for space.

I vaguely recall someone saying they heard Caylee in the background during a phone call...I forgot who was asking the questions, whether it was LE or a tv interview, but the person was pointedly asked if they spoke to Caylee directly, and if they knew it was the baby, or if it was possible it was the tv in the background, or perhaps a tape, and the person considered it, and admitted they couldn't be sure. I know there was discussion on the boards when that info first came out, about whether Casey was putting up a smoke screen by playing either an old tape of Caylee or some kind of kids video and trying to pretend she was talking to her while she was on her phone. Someone a little more on the ball than myself will probably remember the specifics of this, I hope! :rolleyes:

(was that the great grandmom? or TonE? Now I'm confused too, lol!)

[Sun]

Sun - I'm so glad to hear that you are recovering. You are missed here!!

I thought Judge Strickland WAS the only judge she's appeared before. Remember he said "the truth and Miss Anthony are strangers"?

I don't think that was the bail hearing - it was the first brief hearing.


I'm not sure this link still works. I found this in my old "notes." Jordan was the very first Judge... and not Evans like I was thinking that it could have been.


Link to overall Caylee info: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...57747.htmlpage

A judge this morning denied Casey Marie Anthony bond, saying she showed "no regret or concern for her actions" following the disappearance of her 2-year-old daughter Caylee Marie Anthony.

Despite Casey Anthony's lack of a criminal history, Orange County Judge John Jordan said no condition of release could protect the community from harm.

Casey Anthony, 22, just nodded as Jordan offered his comments.

"You left your 2-year-old child with a person who does not exist at an apartment you cannot identify and you lied to your parents about your child's whereabouts," Jordan said. "You cared so little about your child."

[court~critic1®]

I'm not sure this link still works. I found this in my old "notes." Jordan was the very first Judge... and not Evans like I was thinking that it could have been.


Link to overall Caylee info: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...57747.htmlpage

A judge this morning denied Casey Marie Anthony bond, saying she showed "no regret or concern for her actions" following the disappearance of her 2-year-old daughter Caylee Marie Anthony.

Despite Casey Anthony's lack of a criminal history, Orange County Judge John Jordan said no condition of release could protect the community from harm.

Casey Anthony, 22, just nodded as Jordan offered his comments.

"You left your 2-year-old child with a person who does not exist at an apartment you cannot identify and you lied to your parents about your child's whereabouts," Jordan said. "You cared so little about your child."



Now I like this judge. He has casey down pat.!!!!

[desmom]

Snipped for space.

I vaguely recall someone saying they heard Caylee in the background during a phone call...I forgot who was asking the questions, whether it was LE or a tv interview, but the person was pointedly asked if they spoke to Caylee directly, and if they knew it was the baby, or if it was possible it was the tv in the background, or perhaps a tape, and the person considered it, and admitted they couldn't be sure. I know there was discussion on the boards when that info first came out, about whether Casey was putting up a smoke screen by playing either an old tape of Caylee or some kind of kids video and trying to pretend she was talking to her while she was on her phone. Someone a little more on the ball than myself will probably remember the specifics of this, I hope! :rolleyes:

(was that the great grandmom? or TonE? Now I'm confused too, lol!)

Jesse thought he heard Caylee in the background and so did Kiomarie.

Jesse's interview with LE dated 7/23/08 - pages 13 - 14 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Grund%20%20Jesse01-0717.pdf

EE: Alright, we’ll go to that. The 16th of June you say that Casey called you?[
JG: Correct.
EE: Sixteen minute talk?
JG: Well let me, if you….
EE: Yeah (affirmative).
JG: …check. I just want to make sure that she called me and I didn’t call her. I believe she called me. But I don’t, I don’t want to misquote myself.
EE: That’s fine.
JG: Yeah (affirmative), we had a long conversation. Uhm, it was not, it was not a normal, if that’s a correct choice of words. Here we go. Uhm, yeah (affirmative), I spoke with her.
EE: You called her?
JG: Yeah (affirmative), 06/16.
EE: Okay.
JG: Uhm, I had sixteen minutes on here. Well I don’t know why I have sixteen. It should be, it should be a twelve minute conversation.
EE: Twelve minutes?
JG: Yeah (affirmative), that’s what I have highlighted here. I don’t know why I highlighted it.
EE: Okay.
JG: Uhm, uh…
EE: And you possibly heard the child in the background at that time?
JG: It was not, yeah (affirmative), it was not unnormal (sic) to hear Caylee in the background whenever I was talking to Casey.
EE: What was the content of that conversation?
JG: Uhm, the fact that her mom was no longer moving out anymore. Casey now had to find a place to live. Uhm, uh, she couldn’t stay at home. And that her parents were getting a divorce.

Casey's cell records page 3 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2385297/Casey_Anthony_cell_records_615_to_716

6/16/08 14:52:53 call ends; Jesse to Casey; 673 seconds or 11 minutes 22 seconds

Kiomarie told LE on 7/19 she received a phone call from Casey on 7/09, she did not recognize the phone number, it did not pop up as Casey on the caller ID. The caller said it was Casey, she was in a bind and wanted to borrow some money. pages 6 - 9 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Cruz%20%20Kiomarie0812.pdf

In a phone call interview on August 12 with LE, Kiomarie said the Casey that called her on 7/9 was Casey Williams, a girl Kio had met when she worked at Disney. pages 1 - 4 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Cruz%20%20Kiomarie%20phone%20call-0812.pdf

jmo

[Dovey]

Sorry for a change of the current discussion but I was just reading over the threads from the past few days. Excuse, I was away for awhile.

Does anyone think maybe Lenny P could have had a listening device in his camper while Tracey was in the home?

I remember that DCasey and his detectives were hired to sweep the A's house for devices. Wonder why? If this was hashed over sorry, I missed it.

[desmom]

Sorry for a change of the current discussion but I was just reading over the threads from the past few days. Excuse, I was away for awhile.

Does anyone think maybe Lenny P could have had a listening device in his camper while Tracey was in the home?

I remember that DCasey and his detectives were hired to sweep the A's house for devices. Wonder why? If this was hashed over sorry, I missed it.


If Lenny had the opportunity, I think he would have tried. :lol:

[cassidy]

Sorry for a change of the current discussion but I was just reading over the threads from the past few days. Excuse, I was away for awhile.

Does anyone think maybe Lenny P could have had a listening device in his camper while Tracey was in the home?I remember that DCasey and his detectives were hired to sweep the A's house for devices. Wonder why? If this was hashed over sorry, I missed it.

:seeya:
I do I do!!!!!! I think Lenny knows lots. Perhaps just bits and pieces but lots. And I think Tracey knows even more, being inside first hand and all.

JMO

[Sun]

:seeya:
I do I do!!!!!! I think Lenny knows lots. Perhaps just bits and pieces but lots. And I think Tracey knows even more, being inside first hand and all.

JMO

Lenny may in fact have heard quite a few of the lies that the Anthony's were spewing. That doesn't mean that he knows any truths.

[cassidy]

Lenny may in fact have heard quite a few of the lies that the Anthony's were spewing. That doesn't mean that he knows any truths.

But he might.

[Bala]

What I would really like to know about is what transpired between NeJame and George after George interrupted that press conference.

[Katprint]

Lenny may in fact have heard quite a few of the lies that the Anthony's were spewing. That doesn't mean that he knows any truths.
I tend to believe that while the Anthonys generally lie their butts off, every now and then one of them will slip and say something truthful. Certainly it will be interesting/entertaining to hear what Casey & associates were saying during that time, even if what they were saying was completely bogus. Kind of like going to see the new Star Trek movie i.e. it may be entertaining but no normal person believes it is "real."

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Dovey]

I'm thinking Lenny knows awhole lot more than what Tracey told him and that's why I'm thinking there was some listening devices in the camper.

I believe Cindy said DCasey was hired to sweep the house.
Sorry I don't have the link does anyone remember that?

As this case gets longer in time it's hard to find the links or remember.

I think both G, C and L will have a lot of I don't remember to cover all their lies up.

[Dovey]

I tend to believe that while the Anthonys generally lie their butts off, every now and then one of them will slip and say something truthful. Certainly it will be interesting/entertaining to hear what Casey & associates were saying during that time, even if what they were saying was completely bogus. Kind of like going to see the new Star Trek movie i.e. it may be entertaining but no normal person believes it is "real."

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Kat
If Lenny did have listening devices would they be admissable in court?

[Katprint]

What I would really like to know about is what transpired between NeJame and George after George interrupted that press conference.
I think NeJame and George (and Brad Conway) really did have a little chat about the nature and extent of the attorney-client confidential communication privilege and/or the attorney work product privilege, just like NeJame said afterwards. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-bk-casey-anthony-082009,0,1043052.story

Basically, Baez and his people got George all riled up by misinforming him about the law. The recently-denied motion to restrict Padilla and his people by the attorney-client confidential communication privilege and/or attorney work product privilege reflects Baez' fundamental misunderstanding of those privileges, so perhaps it was an "honest" mistake rather than a malicious effort to manipulate George. However, George immediately went rampaging over to NeJame's office to interrupt the ongoing press conference and then NeJame and Conway had to straighten him out.

It really seems pretty straightforward to me.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[spiritwolf46]

Hello Kath, been a sad lurker for some time, never quite sure when to jump in :wink:

Jump in when ever you like, Darcy and WELCOME!

[bchand]

I'm not sure this link still works. I found this in my old "notes." Jordan was the very first Judge... and not Evans like I was thinking that it could have been.


Link to overall Caylee info: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...57747.htmlpage

A judge this morning denied Casey Marie Anthony bond, saying she showed "no regret or concern for her actions" following the disappearance of her 2-year-old daughter Caylee Marie Anthony.

Despite Casey Anthony's lack of a criminal history, Orange County Judge John Jordan said no condition of release could protect the community from harm.

Casey Anthony, 22, just nodded as Jordan offered his comments.

"You left your 2-year-old child with a person who does not exist at an apartment you cannot identify and you lied to your parents about your child's whereabouts," Jordan said. "You cared so little about your child."

Back from the schoolbus (had to see if g/k liked their first day of school).

The link did not work for me Sun, but thanks for typing what it said.

[Sun]

I tend to believe that while the Anthonys generally lie their butts off, every now and then one of them will slip and say something truthful. Certainly it will be interesting/entertaining to hear what Casey & associates were saying during that time, even if what they were saying was completely bogus. Kind of like going to see the new Star Trek movie i.e. it may be entertaining but no normal person believes it is "real."

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

ITA, the Anthonys do "slip" once in a while. Other times, what they say is meant to distract from the truth. Meant to set folks off on another goose chase.

[desmom]

Sorry for a change of the current discussion but I was just reading over the threads from the past few days. Excuse, I was away for awhile.

Does anyone think maybe Lenny P could have had a listening device in his camper while Tracey was in the home?

I remember that DCasey and his detectives were hired to sweep the A's house for devices. Wonder why? If this was hashed over sorry, I missed it.

Nancy Grace September 17, 2008
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/17/ng.01.html

Caller: My question is, actually, to Mr. Padilla. When he was doing security for Casey, when he was still on the bond, did he have any sort of listening device or anything in the home? Because he seems to be dropping little hints here and there.

Did he overhear something?

NG: Well, he was in the home.

Leonard Padilla, please respond.

Lenny: No, we -- we didn't have any listening devices and we had several conversations with Cindy and George prior to Casey actually getting out of jail. We got there on a Sunday, and she didn't get out until Thursday. So we were in constant communication with each other.

We were in and out of the home. We were talking to each other. And even up until the conversation that I had with Casey that morning, I still spoke with George and Cindy sometimes outside the house. I never went back in the house. And they'd come out into the RV and talk to us. Or in the driveway.

ETA ~

[Katprint]

Kat
If Lenny did have listening devices would they be admissable in court?
That is a very close call and may turn on Florida's particular wiretapping statutes and evidence statutes. Since Padilla and his people were not agents of law enforcement and were not asked to plant listening devices by law enforcement, the rationales underlying the Exclusionary Rule (i.e. to discourage governmental misconduct) would probably not apply. However, sometimes courts also refuse to admit evidence obtained through unlawful means by private parties in order to discourage private misconduct as well.

The judge might allow tapes of public conversations between Casey and any non-privileged person, because the tapes are merely a more reliable record of the conversation than the memory of the non-privileged person who can be called as a witness to testify about the conversation. Tapes of private conversations between Casey and her legal team, between Cindy and George, etc. would definitely be inadmissible.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[ish]

His wifes name is Lorena Mercedes Velasquez Garcia Baez...she is his second wife and is from Columbia...mail order???...LOL

Is that with a hyphen? You do know the hyphen makes all the difference? That's how the cops got off track with Zenaida Fernandez(hyphen)Gonzales, they didn't used the hyphen.:rolleyes: The hyphen, very important.

[ish]

I'm thinking Lenny knows awhole lot more than what Tracey told him and that's why I'm thinking there was some listening devices in the camper.

I believe Cindy said DCasey was hired to sweep the house.
Sorry I don't have the link does anyone remember that?

As this case gets longer in time it's hard to find the links or remember.

I think both G, C and L will have a lot of I don't remember to cover all their lies up.

Early on didn't Lenny say that Tracey was unsure about repeating what she heard in the house and and was consulting an attorney in CA about her legal position? She wanted to be sure she wasn't violating any legal agreement with Casey or her attorney.

[Bala]

I think NeJame and George (and Brad Conway) really did have a little chat about the nature and extent of the attorney-client confidential communication privilege and/or the attorney work product privilege, just like NeJame said afterwards. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-bk-casey-anthony-082009,0,1043052.story

Basically, Baez and his people got George all riled up by misinforming him about the law. The recently-denied motion to restrict Padilla and his people by the attorney-client confidential communication privilege and/or attorney work product privilege reflects Baez' fundamental misunderstanding of those privileges, so perhaps it was an "honest" mistake rather than a malicious effort to manipulate George. However, George immediately went rampaging over to NeJame's office to interrupt the ongoing press conference and then NeJame and Conway had to straighten him out.

It really seems pretty straightforward to me.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions
But isn't that major problem here Baez's inability to interpret the law. This is a death penalty case and Baez is clearly in over his head at what point will Lyon take the reigns and take control of Baez and his lack of understanding the law.

[ish]

Lenny may in fact have heard quite a few of the lies that the Anthony's were spewing. That doesn't mean that he knows any truths.

True, but he maybe hearing them say things in public now that he knows are the opposite of what was said in private then. WHich is the truth, that's the question. Same with Casey, for every 50 lies, there maybe 1 truth, hard to dismiss everything as a lie then. I think this is a trick she learned over time manipulating G & C. Concentrate on the 1 true thing to confuse them with the 50 lies

[Bala]

Early on didn't Lenny say that Tracey was unsure about repeating what she heard in the house and and was consulting an attorney in CA about her legal position? She wanted to be sure she wasn't violating any legal agreement with Casey or her attorney.
I remember LP saying Tracy was not going to speak before she testified at trial if called.

[Bala]

Katprint I have a question I would love to ask you. If Lyon's allows Baez to continue as lead even if it's clear he's in over his head and the applet courts were to find on appeal that there was ineffective council does it fall on Lyon's head as she was suppose to take charge and failed to control Baez.

[Dovey]

That is a very close call and may turn on Florida's particular wiretapping statutes and evidence statutes. Since Padilla and his people were not agents of law enforcement and were not asked to plant listening devices by law enforcement, the rationales underlying the Exclusionary Rule (i.e. to discourage governmental misconduct) would probably not apply. However, sometimes courts also refuse to admit evidence obtained through unlawful means by private parties in order to discourage private misconduct as well.

The judge might allow tapes of public conversations between Casey and any non-privileged person, because the tapes are merely a more reliable record of the conversation than the memory of the non-privileged person who can be called as a witness to testify about the conversation. Tapes of private conversations between Casey and her legal team, between Cindy and George, etc. would definitely be inadmissible.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Ty and I wonder if any tapes of private conversations were recorded. Your legal imput is appreciated

[Dovey]

Nancy Grace September 17, 2008
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/17/ng.01.html

Caller: My question is, actually, to Mr. Padilla. When he was doing security for Casey, when he was still on the bond, did he have any sort of listening device or anything in the home? Because he seems to be dropping little hints here and there.

Did he overhear something?

NG: Well, he was in the home.

Leonard Padilla, please respond.

Lenny: No, we -- we didn't have any listening devices and we had several conversations with Cindy and George prior to Casey actually getting out of jail. We got there on a Sunday, and she didn't get out until Thursday. So we were in constant communication with each other.

We were in and out of the home. We were talking to each other. And even up until the conversation that I had with Casey that morning, I still spoke with George and Cindy sometimes outside the house. I never went back in the house. And they'd come out into the RV and talk to us. Or in the driveway.

ETA ~

Ty for the link, and the quote as this may answer my questions.

[bchand]

I'm going back over very old articles and couldn't pass up posting this one:


We don't know why she's been misleading them (law enforcement)," said Cynthia.

Cynthia believes if someone took Caylee, that person might have threatened Casey, the toddler or her family. She also feels Casey knows that person.

"And she feels compelled to put the blame on herself than some other person," said Cynthia. "That's the type of person Casey is."

http://www.wftv.com/news/16924162/detail.html

What a joke !

[Dovey]

That is a very close call and may turn on Florida's particular wiretapping statutes and evidence statutes. Since Padilla and his people were not agents of law enforcement and were not asked to plant listening devices by law enforcement, the rationales underlying the Exclusionary Rule (i.e. to discourage governmental misconduct) would probably not apply. However, sometimes courts also refuse to admit evidence obtained through unlawful means by private parties in order to discourage private misconduct as well.

The judge might allow tapes of public conversations between Casey and any non-privileged person, because the tapes are merely a more reliable record of the conversation than the memory of the non-privileged person who can be called as a witness to testify about the conversation. Tapes of private conversations between Casey and her legal team, between Cindy and George, etc. would definitely be inadmissible.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Very interesting on your part and you have increased my knowlege of the courts 100 per cent. I know the last part would not be admissable but I wondered about L Padilla's if in fact he had any listening devices. Someone posted that L P did not have any.

[seeing_eye]

Well...I have to say I stand corrected, desmom.

I just watched this link/interview with the neighbors (Dickens) who have known the Anthony's for a very long time. They seemed to know everything about George and Anthony. Talk about a neighborhood soap opera.:laugh: That was rich...
They said Cindy loved that baby and seen them strolling Caylee around in the neighborhood and not once ever seen Casey pushing Caylee down the street. They said that Caylee had buckets of toys from Cindy. Cindy (as we all know) forced Casey to have the baby.


not all know that. That was told by Casey to one of her friends, and as far as I know, we haven't heard anything about it from anyone else. I take everything Casey says to anyone with a box of salt!

It may or may not be true, but because Casey is the one who said it, I doubt it.

[trich]

Snipped for space.

I vaguely recall someone saying they heard Caylee in the background during a phone call...I forgot who was asking the questions, whether it was LE or a tv interview, but the person was pointedly asked if they spoke to Caylee directly, and if they knew it was the baby, or if it was possible it was the tv in the background, or perhaps a tape, and the person considered it, and admitted they couldn't be sure. I know there was discussion on the boards when that info first came out, about whether Casey was putting up a smoke screen by playing either an old tape of Caylee or some kind of kids video and trying to pretend she was talking to her while she was on her phone. Someone a little more on the ball than myself will probably remember the specifics of this, I hope! :rolleyes:

(was that the great grandmom? or TonE? Now I'm confused too, lol!)

I thought that was a friend of Casey's who said she heard a child in background but then she reconsidered and thought may be that was another friend she had spoke to while hearing child in background.
Can anyone help me out here.
I remember clearly about an incident like that but can not remember names.

[bchand]

<<snipped to address>>

Kiomarie told LE on 7/19 she received a phone call from Casey on 7/09, she did not recognize the phone number, it did not pop up as Casey on the caller ID. The caller said it was Casey, she was in a bind and wanted to borrow some money. pages 6 - 9 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Cruz%20%20Kiomarie0812.pdf

In a phone call interview on August 12 with LE, Kiomarie said the Casey that called her on 7/9 was Casey Williams, a girl Kio had met when she worked at Disney. pages 1 - 4 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Cruz%20%20Kiomarie%20phone%20call-0812.pdf

jmo

Kiomarie changed her story later on. She said she had her "caseys" mixed up. It wasn't Casey Anthony who called her but a Casey Williams.

http://humbleopinion.net76.net/interviews/mcruzphone0001.pdf

Page 2

[Katprint]

I'm so sorry seeing_eye. I thought that was solid because I have read it numerous times on the board.

I can only guess Casey did not want this beautiful child from the time she discovered she was pregnant. In fact, she didn't say anything until she was 7 months pregnant. Wonder if she would have been like those girls who end up in the girls bathroom at a school or a club, give birth and leave. She did deny she was pregnant when questioned. Dumb azz Cindy being a nurse didn't notice til she was way into her months and Casey told her. Er, right?

That lie I have to say I believed. She did murder her own daughter. Her attention to her daughter was extinct and she was always leaving her with mommy dearest.:sneaky:
jmo
It could be a classic Anthony half-truth. Maybe there was a big argument when Cindy FINALLY realized/admitted that Casey was pregnant - like 8 or 9 months pregnant. Maybe Casey threatened to go out and get a 3rd trimester abortion (not sure if you can even get those in Florida unless your life/health is at risk) and Cindy persuaded her not to. Also, I'm betting that Cindy told Casey that she and George would throw Casey out if Casey gave Caylee up for adoption.

Thus, according to Casey, it was all CINDY's fault.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Pruddennce]

I always assumed that Amy told Cindy that Caylee wasn't at TonE's apt. Amy had been there earlier when Casey picked everyone up from the airport and they discussed that in the car on the way to Tone's. Casey went outside in front of TonE's to talk to Cindy and in that conversation Casey insisted Caylee was at the nanny's. I just don't find it suspicious or odd that Cindy didn't search the apt for Caylee, to me it was pretty clear by that point that Caylee wasn't there. I guess she could have looked, it wouldn't have been strange if she did but I don't think it strange that she didn't.

I think its strange.

why didnt she scream at Casey: You are here and Caylee isnt with you?????? Why arent you with your daughter? you want to get her tomorrow for me to see her???? arent you going back to 'the nanny's' to be with your daughter TONITE???????????

no, the entire scene with Cindy is ABNORMAL. screaming at the boy about money?!!! She should have been asking him: Have you seen Caylee? has Casey been living here? has Caylee been living here?

that is what she should have been asking.

Casey conveniently left her phone there. so she could avoid giving Cindy the # that DID NOT EXIST IN HER PHONE. That was done deliberately. Traditionally a $400 and something fee every month for usage and she doesnt grab her phone? And Cindy didnt ask Casey to get the nanny on the phone for her to talk to her? not one word about ASKING TO SPEAK TO "THE NANNY".....

the whole scene was odd because Cindy never once, according to witnesses, asked if anyone saw Caylee that day or ANY DAY. or asked if any of her 'things' were there.

Cindy lied when she told LE she had contact information. If she wanted to 'check on Caylee' any day after she left, she would have found out that the address and so-called # were bogus long before July 15th.

she had no information. liar.

and bear in mind, Cindy knew she had been local since JULY 3rd.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[really3997]

Is that with a hyphen? You do know the hyphen makes all the difference? That's how the cops got off track with Zenaida Fernandez(hyphen)Gonzales, they didn't used the hyphen.:rolleyes: The hyphen, very important.

:lol::lol:

[BlueTurtle]

I take everything Casey says to anyone with a box of salt!



Be careful you don't get high blood pressure or upset your electrolytes with that much salt!!!! Casey lies even when she doesn't need to lie.

[Pruddennce]

I thought that was a friend of Casey's who said she heard a child in background but then she reconsidered and thought may be that was another friend she had spoke to while hearing child in background.
Can anyone help me out here.
I remember clearly about an incident like that but can not remember names.

yes it was Kiomarie. she had her caseys mixed up, about Casey calling and asking her to lend her money. that was Casey Williams, she was a battered friend, with a child. Kiomarie said that CW's mother ended up wiring her money.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Cruz%20%20Kiomarie%20phone%20call-0812.pdf


IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[Pruddennce]

Kiomarie changed her story later on. She said she had her "caseys" mixed up. It wasn't Casey Anthony who called her but a Casey Williams.

http://humbleopinion.net76.net/interviews/mcruzphone0001.pdf

Page 2

Im sorry, bchand, I missed that you already posted the link and I followed you on it :D

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[Pruddennce]

I'm going back over very old articles and couldn't pass up posting this one:


We don't know why she's been misleading them (law enforcement)," said Cynthia.

Cynthia believes if someone took Caylee, that person might have threatened Casey, the toddler or her family. She also feels Casey knows that person.

"And she feels compelled to put the blame on herself than some other person," said Cynthia. "That's the type of person Casey is."

http://www.wftv.com/news/16924162/detail.html

What a joke !

OMG....sure Cindy, protect the kidnapper BY ALL MEANS....put the kidnapper's IDENTITY on hold so that Caylee can remain 'in danger'.......OMG....does she consult HER BRAIN, EVER, before she speaks? :D

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[desmom]

Kiomarie changed her story later on. She said she had her "caseys" mixed up. It wasn't Casey Anthony who called her but a Casey Williams.

http://humbleopinion.net76.net/interviews/mcruzphone0001.pdf

Page 2

psst...over here.... in the last paragraph of my post, I wrote:

In a phone call interview on August 12 with LE, Kiomarie said the Casey that called her on 7/9 was Casey Williams, a girl Kio had met when she worked at Disney. pages 1 - 4 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Cruz%20%20Kiomarie%20phone%20call-0812.pdf

:laugh:

[desmom]

If you had to pick one or two people or pieces of evidence:

Which witness for the prosecution will do the most damage to the defense's case?

Which piece of evidence will do the most damage to the defense's case?

Witness - Tone appears to have spent the most time with Casey during those 31 days. Or maybe Amy. Casey told Amy about the dead animal plastered to her car frame that was making her car stink for over 2 weeks, her manicure, tattoo, 4th of July party...

Evidence - the decompositional event in the trunk of the car or the duct tape with heart sticker adhesive residue and is similar to the duct tape that was found on the A's gas can.

jmo

[bchand]

Im sorry, bchand, I missed that you already posted the link and I followed you on it :D

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

That's ok, I'm multi tasking here myself.

Totally missed the paragraph in Des' post also. (Sorry Des.)

[Dovey]

I think its strange.

why didnt she scream at Casey: You are here and Caylee isnt with you?????? Why arent you with your daughter? you want to get her tomorrow for me to see her???? arent you going back to 'the nanny's' to be with your daughter TONITE???????????

no, the entire scene with Cindy is ABNORMAL. screaming at the boy about money?!!! She should have been asking him: Have you seen Caylee? has Casey been living here? has Caylee been living here?

that is what she should have been asking.

Casey conveniently left her phone there. so she could avoid giving Cindy the # that DID NOT EXIST IN HER PHONE. That was done deliberately. Traditionally a $400 and something fee every month for usage and she doesnt grab her phone? And Cindy didnt ask Casey to get the nanny on the phone for her to talk to her? not one word about ASKING TO SPEAK TO "THE NANNY".....

the whole scene was odd because Cindy never once, according to witnesses, asked if anyone saw Caylee that day or ANY DAY. or asked if any of her 'things' were there.

Cindy lied when she told LE she had contact information. If she wanted to 'check on Caylee' any day after she left, she would have found out that the address and so-called # were bogus long before July 15th.

she had no information. liar.

and bear in mind, Cindy knew she had been local since JULY 3rd.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

And those are some of the exact questions a grandmother would ask about their missing grandchild. Cindy IMO knew after the car that Caylee was dead by her actions with Casey for the next few hours on that very day.

[101Spots]

If you had to pick one or two people or pieces of evidence:

Which witness for the prosecution will do the most damage to the defense's case?

Which piece of evidence will do the most damage to the defense's case?

Witness - Tone appears to have spent the most time with Casey during those 31 days. Or maybe Amy. Casey told Amy about the dead animal plastered to her car frame that was making her car stink for over 2 weeks, her manicure, tattoo, 4th of July party...

Evidence - the decompositional event in the trunk of the car or the duct tape with heart sticker adhesive residue and is similar to the duct tape that was found on the A's gas can.

jmo

Witness: Casey (through tapes, testimony from others) saying she had not seen her daughter for 31 days.

Evidence: Lack of any evidence there was a nanny or a ZFhyphenG, including anyone else who had ever seen her and lack of contact information.

It's not ~quite~ a fair set of questions, as I think it's the totality of the evidence that will do her in. Each player has a small piece and when SA puts the jigsaw puzzle together the picture will show that Casey is the guilty party.

[Dovey]

If you had to pick one or two people or pieces of evidence:

Which witness for the prosecution will do the most damage to the defense's case?

Which piece of evidence will do the most damage to the defense's case?

Witness - Tone appears to have spent the most time with Casey during those 31 days. Or maybe Amy. Casey told Amy about the dead animal plastered to her car frame that was making her car stink for over 2 weeks, her manicure, tattoo, 4th of July party...

Evidence - the decompositional event in the trunk of the car or the duct tape with heart sticker adhesive residue and is similar to the duct tape that was found on the A's gas can.

jmo

I think suddenly all the A's will have sudden memory lost. They will not back up their interviews and will say they don't remember those facts as it will be now 2+ years down the road to the trail. George won't even remember his GJ testemony and he will not recall that as will either Cindy or Lee.

This is always the best defense, delays and motions and witness forget after 2 + years.

[apothecary]

I would pick the 31 days and the smell in the car

[desmom]

Witness: Casey (through tapes, testimony from others) saying she had not seen her daughter for 31 days.

Evidence: Lack of any evidence there was a nanny or a ZFhyphenG, including anyone else who had ever seen her and lack of contact information.

It's not ~quite~ a fair set of questions, as I think it's the totality of the evidence that will do her in. Each player has a small piece and when SA puts the jigsaw puzzle together the picture will show that Casey is the guilty party.

It really isn't a fair set of questions. A friend asked me those questions this afternoon and I couldn't come up with just one person or one piece of evidence. I thought I would throw out on the board to see if there is one thing that stands for my fellow posters.

When the SA puts this puzzle together for the jury, will the have that Aha moment JB spoke of last year? :tonguewag:

Thank you for your input.

Des ~

[Dovey]

psst...over here.... in the last paragraph of my post, I wrote:

In a phone call interview on August 12 with LE, Kiomarie said the Casey that called her on 7/9 was Casey Williams, a girl Kio had met when she worked at Disney. pages 1 - 4 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Cruz%20%20Kiomarie%20phone%20call-0812.pdf

:laugh:

Did LE ever get those phone records that Koimarie denied to LE? Kio said the phone was in her boyfriends name etc.

[101Spots]

Did LE ever get those phone records that Koimarie denied to LE? Kio said the phone was in her boyfriends name etc.

Wasn't it the boyfriend that said No, not Kio? [CRS again!]

If they weren't handed over cheerfully, LE could have gone directly to the source to get them. Not a big deal.

[Dovey]

It really isn't a fair set of questions. A friend asked me those questions this afternoon and I couldn't come up with just one person or one piece of evidence. I thought I would throw out on the board to see if there is one thing that stands for my fellow posters.

When the SA puts this puzzle together for the jury, will the have that Aha moment JB spoke of last year? :tonguewag:

Thank you for your input.

Des ~

I don't think it will be one or two pieces of evidence. I think it will be the 31 missing days, the lies of, Casey, Cindy, George and Lee but they will have a memory laps at the trial. There are the interviews by Amy, Jesse, TonE and others. I think it will be George's statement of decom at the towyard and Cindy's 911 call smelling a decomosing body. I also think there will be evidence from the car and where Caylee was found.

Hopeully Casey will get LWOP for Caylee's death.
I'd say the DP but I'd rather like to see Casey, being as young as Casey is, I would rather see her rot in jail for the rest of her life without any parole. I truly think this would be better than a DP.

[Dovey]

Wasn't it the boyfriend that said No, not Kio? [CRS again!]

If they weren't handed over cheerfully, LE could have gone directly to the source to get them. Not a big deal.

I hope LE obtained those cell records.

[sammy62]

OK>>>>>>I need HELP

I just watched the last hearing over, and had a feeling of empathy for Cindy as she tried to catch a glance at Casey. Casey is a Big BRAT, and I'm a softie :scared:

[Dovey]

OK>>>>>>I need HELP

I just watched the last hearing over, and had a feeling of empathy for Cindy as she tried to catch a glance at Casey. Casey is a Big BRAT, and I'm a softie :scared:

Casey didn't give her parents any respect, they were their for Casey and she looked the other way.

Casey showed no respect at all to her parents being in court for support, no empathy for any of them.

Of course Cindy and George showed no support for their dead granddaughter either.

[achristie]

OK>>>>>>I need HELP

I just watched the last hearing over, and had a feeling of empathy for Cindy as she tried to catch a glance at Casey. Casey is a Big BRAT, and I'm a softie :scared:

I'm with you. It was painful to watch. Even more painful to witness her spin on it with the media. Painful and pathetic. Casey still rules.:wink:

[101Spots]

OK>>>>>>I need HELP

I just watched the last hearing over, and had a feeling of empathy for Cindy as she tried to catch a glance at Casey. Casey is a Big BRAT, and I'm a softie :scared:

We need an intervention!

Look at the picture. Look directly at the picture.

Cindy (http://i42.tinypic.com/23hr2me.jpg)

Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200.


Feel better now?

[Katprint]

OK>>>>>>I need HELP

I just watched the last hearing over, and had a feeling of empathy for Cindy as she tried to catch a glance at Casey. Casey is a Big BRAT, and I'm a softie :scared:
Just think about all the lies that Cindy told and continues to tell, and how she has tried to blame innocent bystanders like Jesse Grund, TonE and Amy, and how mean she was to well-meaning people like Tim Miller and his searchers, and how she sold photos and movies of Caylee for hundreds of thousands of dollars, and how she copyrighted Caylee's name and set up the bogus foundation so she can make even more money off of poor ("missing") Caylee's tragic death in the future, and how it was CINDY who raised Casey to be a Big Brat in the first place by failing to ever hold Casey accountable for any of her prior bad conduct. You'll get over it.

Katprint
Who feels sorry for Caylee but not for Cindy
Always only my own opinions

[Dovey]

We need an intervention!

Look at the picture. Look directly at the picture.

Cindy (http://i42.tinypic.com/23hr2me.jpg)

Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200.


Feel better now?

I'm with you and I will not pass go and will not collect $200. Casey is guilty and a murderer and her parents G and C are liars, as well as Lee.
Poor Caylee only has us and a jury who will convict her and serve justice for Caylee.

RIP Caylee:rose:

[sammy62]

Kat had a great argument....But 101 got me with the pic.

I am a softie. Thanks for the intervention.

Casey is a murdering BRAT
Cindy is a conniving LIAR
George is just plain ICKY

Biaz is dumb as a box of rocks

Jury is still out on LEE. (Can I still feel a little empathy for him???)

[bchand]

Kat had a great argument....But 101 got me with the pic.

I am a softie. Thanks for the intervention.

Casey is a murdering BRAT
Cindy is a conniving LIAR
George is just plain ICKY

Biaz is dumb as a box of rocks

Jury is still out on LEE. (Can I still feel a little empathy for him???)

No no no. Remember the lady with the sign and the dog. He dumped the dog's water out but the sign beat him.

[101Spots]

Kat had a great argument....But 101 got me with the pic.

I am a softie. Thanks for the intervention.

Casey is a murdering BRAT
Cindy is a conniving LIAR
George is just plain ICKY

Biaz is dumb as a box of rocks

Jury is still out on LEE. (Can I still feel a little empathy for him???)

NO NO NO NO NO!

That poor dog might have died from lack of water in the hot FL sun.

Lee's no better than the rest of them.

[Dovey]

Just think about all the lies that Cindy told and continues to tell, and how she has tried to blame innocent bystanders like Jesse Grund, TonE and Amy, and how mean she was to well-meaning people like Tim Miller and his searchers, and how she sold photos and movies of Caylee for hundreds of thousands of dollars, and how she copyrighted Caylee's name and set up the bogus foundation so she can make even more money off of poor ("missing") Caylee's tragic death in the future, and how it was CINDY who raised Casey to be a Big Brat in the first place by failing to ever hold Casey accountable for any of her prior bad conduct. You'll get over it.

Katprint
Who feels sorry for Caylee but not for Cindy
Always only my own opinions

That is about it in a nutshell. And it's too bad Cindy, George or Lee did not protect this child from her murdering mother and or whoever may have helped Casey in Caylee's death.

We know Caylee is dead by the death report so there is no dispute about that.

Did Casey kill Caylee herself or did someone else perhaps maybe another family member is involved in Caylee's murder?

[101Spots]

No no no. Remember the lady with the sign and the dog. He dumped the dog's water out but the sign beat him.

^5!!! :D

Those who will harm an animal are just as bad as those who would harm a child.

[sammy62]

Big SIGH....you guys are tough.

OK....I'll save my sympathy for Caylee. Poor Baby...what a waste.

[101Spots]

That is about it in a nutshell. And it's too bad Cindy, George or Lee did not protect this child from her murdering mother and or whoever may have helped Casey in Caylee's death.

We know Caylee is dead by the death report so there is no dispute about that.

Did Casey kill Caylee herself or did someone else perhaps maybe another family member is involved in Caylee's murder?

Factually: It was a solo act.

Metaphorically: They all contributed indirectly.

[bchand]

^5!!! :D

Those who will harm an animal are just as bad as those who would harm a child.



:seeya: gmta spots.


HBTY, HBTY, HB DS, HBTY.


::::ducking::::

[bchand]

Big SIGH....you guys are tough.

OK....I'll save my sympathy for Caylee. Poor Baby...what a waste.

Ok here's another.

CMA!! CMA!!! smooch smooch slobber slobber

[Dovey]

Factually: It was a solo act.

Metaphorically: They all contributed indirectly.

Totally agree.

OT/ and if it's not your b-day, happy days anyhow. I just had a big one last month with one of those big zero's last month.

[really3997]

We need an intervention!

Look at the picture. Look directly at the picture.

Cindy (http://i42.tinypic.com/23hr2me.jpg)

Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200.


Feel better now?

Crude now I am going to have nightmares.:angry:

[101Spots]

Ok here's another.

CMA!! CMA!!! smooch smooch slobber slobber

Katprint - is there *any* possible law that can be applied here and get Lee arrested? Disturbing the peace? Deviant sexual acts with a wrist? Excessive asinine-ness?

[seeing_eye]

Did the imaginary Nanny smoke???...:wink:

Yes, but only imaginary cigarettes that made imaginary smoke.

[Dovey]

Crude now I am going to have nightmares.:angry:

That photo says it all how Cindy just wanted to disrupt the interview. I disliked Cindy before but after that I just knew what a lying mother, grandmother, daughter, sister, etc she was. It made me hate her instead of just disbeliving her...YUP HATE and I don't use that word often against another person.

[really3997]

If you had to pick one or two people or pieces of evidence:

Which witness for the prosecution will do the most damage to the defense's case?

Which piece of evidence will do the most damage to the defense's case?

Witness - Tone appears to have spent the most time with Casey during those 31 days. Or maybe Amy. Casey told Amy about the dead animal plastered to her car frame that was making her car stink for over 2 weeks, her manicure, tattoo, 4th of July party...

Evidence - the decompositional event in the trunk of the car or the duct tape with heart sticker adhesive residue and is similar to the duct tape that was found on the A's gas can.

jmo

I pick Cindy in general. First with the dead body in car statement ..then all the others things that have come out of her mouth pointing in Casey's direction (which I still don't believe is not on purpose) in a backwards sort of way.

evidence or lack of I would pick Casey's fantasy life that she took the detectives on a tour of.

[101Spots]

Crude now I am going to have nightmares.:angry:

That's what inside that house you drive past. Watch where you allow your kids to go trick-or-treating.

[really3997]

That photo says it all how Cindy just wanted to disrupt the interview. I disliked Cindy before but after that I just knew what a lying mother, grandmother, daughter, sister, etc she was. It made me hate her instead of just disbeliving her...YUP HATE and I don't use that word often against another person.

Maybe I should have a t-shirt of "that women" and where it at the trial.:thumbup:

[seeing_eye]

Katprint - is there *any* possible law that can be applied here and get Lee arrested? Disturbing the peace? Deviant sexual acts with a wrist? Excessive asinine-ness?

Spots, you have made my day! I was so depressed till I read this. I just about rolled out of my chair and all my dogs are hiding in fright from the sound of my guffawing! (Is that a word?)

[AnniePie]

If Lenny had the opportunity, I think he would have tried. :lol:

I definitely agree! :laugh:

Did you all know that Lenny has a law degree? I listened to the tapes that one of our posters posted on her blog (I'm sorry, I don't remember who that was... but your blog is great!) this afternoon and that's what the ol' Lennster came out with.

[Dovey]

Maybe I should have a t-shirt of "that women" and where it at the trial.:thumbup:

What I would put on that tee shirt would get you banned in court.

[AnniePie]

Lenny may in fact have heard quite a few of the lies that the Anthony's were spewing. That doesn't mean that he knows any truths.

Depending upon the strength of the listening device, he could have heard a lot of whispers regarding the truth when the Evil A's were chatting amongst themselves.

[AnniePie]

What I would really like to know about is what transpired between NeJame and George after George interrupted that press conference.

Me too!

I'd also like to know what precipitated Nejame's resignation from working for the Anthonys.

[Dovey]

Depending upon the strength of the listening device, he could have heard a lot of whispers regarding the truth when the Evil A's were chatting amongst themselves.

I still reserve that Lenny had some listening devices in that camper.

[101Spots]

Depending upon the strength of the listening device, he could have heard a lot of whispers regarding the truth when the Evil A's were chatting amongst themselves.

....... or a lot of strategy sessions. :sneaky:

[AnniePie]

not all know that. That was told by Casey to one of her friends, and as far as I know, we haven't heard anything about it from anyone else. I take everything Casey says to anyone with a box of salt!

It may or may not be true, but because Casey is the one who said it, I doubt it.

If Cindy didn't know Casey were preggers til she was seven months along, then Casey could easily have had an abortion and her mom and dad would have been none the wiser.

[seeing_eye]

If Cindy didn't know Casey were preggers til she was seven months along, then Casey could easily have had an abortion and her mom and dad would have been none the wiser.

Well, there again, I'm not sure Cindy was unaware of Casey's pregnancy till she was seven months along. I believe she refused to admit it to outsiders, but I'm sure she knew. We can't believe anything Cindy says either.

[really3997]

If Cindy didn't know Casey were preggers til she was seven months along, then Casey could easily have had an abortion and her mom and dad would have been none the wiser.

Here is what I don't get about the pregnant thing. If Cindy didn't know until 7 mos or so then who's sonagrams (sp) are on the wall. IIRC they didn't seem to be a full term pic. I can't remember what show had it on. But this has always stuck in my crawl.

[AnniePie]

Kat had a great argument....But 101 got me with the pic.

I am a softie. Thanks for the intervention.

Casey is a murdering BRAT
Cindy is a conniving LIAR
George is just plain ICKY

Biaz is dumb as a box of rocks

Jury is still out on LEE. (Can I still feel a little empathy for him???)

I waver on Lee too, sammy. Then I recall the wrist-smooching incident, and I'm sure he's just a fellow nutcase along with the rest of them.

[101Spots]

If Cindy didn't know Casey were preggers til she was seven months along, then Casey could easily have had an abortion and her mom and dad would have been none the wiser.

With whose money? She was working, but she didn't earn squat, really.

[bchand]

I definitely agree! :laugh:

Did you all know that Lenny has a law degree? I listened to the tapes that one of our posters posted on her blog (I'm sorry, I don't remember who that was... but your blog is great!) this afternoon and that's what the ol' Lennster came out with.

That's our Anakerie.

[AnniePie]

Ok here's another.

CMA!! CMA!!! smooch smooch slobber slobber

Ack... I just posted the same thing bc. (And let's not forget how he practically had his back to Mallory through most of the service. The little display of body language told me a great deal about their relationship!)

[Dovey]

What I would really like to know about is what transpired between NeJame and George after George interrupted that press conference.

Geoge walking in and demanding NeJames speak to him NOW. George get a life as everyone knows your lies, your disrespect for Caylee being she is now dead and now you can only support Casey since you have done since July or on Aug 4th 2008. George you knew someone was dead when you picked up the car on July 15th. When the car was at your home Cindy knew also. Casey was alive and both you and Cindy knew Caylee was dead and Casey murdered her. Trying to save Casey after your interviews about decomp will not save Casey, prepare to visit Casey in the state prison for the rest of her days as no jury will find her innocent for what she did.

All your lies can not cover it up. Not Cindy's or Lee's either. Casey will hopefully get LIFE W/O POR.

I do not wish the DP for Casey as I'd rather see her behind bars for the rest of her life.
To me this is a death sentence for Casey.

[AnniePie]

Here is what I don't get about the pregnant thing. If Cindy didn't know until 7 mos or so then who's sonagrams (sp) are on the wall. IIRC they didn't seem to be a full term pic. I can't remember what show had it on. But this has always stuck in my crawl.

Oh yeah... good point.

It reminds me of a kid's quiz book where you see a picture and the notation tells you to circle the things that are wrong. Circle that sonogram! :w00t:

[101Spots]

Ack... I just posted the same thing bc. (And let's not forget how he practically had his back to Mallory through most of the service. The little display of body language told me a great deal about their relationship!)

Speaking of Mally-Bu: She's feeling amorous <gag>, but has now set her profile to private and eliminated her pithy little notes. Bummer.

Mally-Bu (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=33318424)

Lee needs his eyebrows mowed......... er, plucked.

[AnniePie]

With whose money? She was working, but she didn't earn squat, really.

I agree, but that scheming little twit always seemed to come up with money when she needed it.

[101Spots]

I agree, but that scheming little twit always seemed to come up with money when she needed it.

I'm leaning toward the Scarlett O'Hara Syndrome: I'll think about that tomorrow.


Oops, too late.

[101Spots]

Bravo, Dovey..
ITA with the DP issue by the way. Death is too easy for Casey. The only thing it would do is devastate her family. More than what Caylee's death did for them.
Another thing George. Tell Cindy and this includes you, It won't work to have sudden loss of memory when you are up on the stand. The state will see to it you are reminded and the jury hears exactly what you said in the beginning of all this back last year. They are good at helping you recall and tell Casey IF you ever talk to her that her gig is UP.:mad:
jmo

I would like to see Casey get the DP for two reasons:
1. It would mean that Andrea Lyon has lost a case, which would make me gloat.
2. It would hang as a threat over Casey's head. Let her spend a few years in solitary, wondering when *that day* will come. Then commute her sentence to LWOP.

Yeah, I'm mean.

[bchand]

I see Andrea Lyon has let some of our posters comments go through on her blog.

http://www.andrealyon.com/blog/?p=52#comments


BarbinFL, I see one of yours. Probably not the one you really wanted to get in though.

[Dovey]

The only thing that keeps me from a DP for Casey is hearing Cindy, George and Lee begging the court for
Casey's life.

That to me would be Justice for Caylee!

[Katprint]

Katprint - is there *any* possible law that can be applied here and get Lee arrested? Disturbing the peace? Deviant sexual acts with a wrist? Excessive asinine-ness?
I'm sure Florida has some version of a "mishandling human remains" law.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[101Spots]

The only thing that keeps me from a DP for Casey is hearing Cindy, George and Lee begging the court for her life.

That to me would be Justice for Caylee!

Not me. Let them beg. Let George tear up and let Cindy choke up and let Lee slobber on some miscellaneous body part. I'd love to have *someone* [jury] tell all the Anthonys "NO!" It's way overdue.

[101Spots]

I'm sure Florida has some version of a "mishandling human remains" law.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

:thumbsup:

[Dovey]

Not me. Let them beg. Let George tear up and let Cindy choke up and let Lee slobber on some miscellaneous body part. I'd love to have *someone* [jury] tell all the Anthonys "NO!" It's way overdue.

That's exactly what I meant. Let Casey's family beg for Casey's life and justice will serve Caylee's death.

[seeing_eye]

I see Andrea Lyon has let some of our posters comments go through on her blog.

http://www.andrealyon.com/blog/?p=52#comments


BarbinFL, I see one of yours. Probably not the one you really wanted to get in though.

Yayyy, they let mine go through too. Mine is the one from "Chris."

[Pruddennce]

Kat had a great argument....But 101 got me with the pic.

I am a softie. Thanks for the intervention.

Casey is a murdering BRAT
Cindy is a conniving LIAR
George is just plain ICKY

Biaz is dumb as a box of rocks

Jury is still out on LEE. (Can I still feel a little empathy for him???)

if you take a listen to this, you will forget you typed the word 'empathy': around 7:20 on the slider......

here he is telling the press that his sister works for UNIVERSAL, but now 'kind of like' a subcontractor 'event coordinator' who wishes to remain unnamed..

and that she was doing all of the things a mother should be doing with her daughter 'on vacation' when she left her parents home, going to the beach, etc..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9yjoIjG7UY&feature=related

Lee LIED and notice with the level of ease....LE CONFIRMED in less than 24 hours that Casey didnt work for Universal for almost two years.....Casey A HERSELF confirmed it. <------yet, the sidewalk interview has Lee Anthony telling the press HER ORIGINAL STORY; this is AUGUST 5th!

and here we have Cindy A sitting by while family services interviewed HER AND CASEY in the home.....sitting by listening to Casey tell the original story about Sawgrass and HER JOB AT UNIVERSAL.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-11/43228283.PDF

now tell me, do you feel any empathy now? :D

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[AnniePie]

I see Andrea Lyon has let some of our posters comments go through on her blog.

http://www.andrealyon.com/blog/?p=52#comments


BarbinFL, I see one of yours. Probably not the one you really wanted to get in though.

Strike another one for the FLaBs! We's famous. :rolleyes:

[seeing_eye]

Yes "Chris" that was well done...:smile:

Thank you. I just stated the facts.

[KittyMom]

I'm checking in in the off chance that LE released the tapes. :sad:

I know what'll happen. I have to be away from home on Thursday. They'll release them then and I'll have to play catch up. :angry:

[Pruddennce]

I think NeJame and George (and Brad Conway) really did have a little chat about the nature and extent of the attorney-client confidential communication privilege and/or the attorney work product privilege, just like NeJame said afterwards. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-bk-casey-anthony-082009,0,1043052.story

Basically, Baez and his people got George all riled up by misinforming him about the law. The recently-denied motion to restrict Padilla and his people by the attorney-client confidential communication privilege and/or attorney work product privilege reflects Baez' fundamental misunderstanding of those privileges, so perhaps it was an "honest" mistake rather than a malicious effort to manipulate George. However, George immediately went rampaging over to NeJame's office to interrupt the ongoing press conference and then NeJame and Conway had to straighten him out.

It really seems pretty straightforward to me.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

and what the hey is Baez and his people doing, talking to NON-CLIENTS about the law as it pertains to THIS CASE.

I guess the Ritz nite with the anthonys has been unofficially extended. oops, is he going to claim he had a handshake deal with casey allowing him to talk about the case with them?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[Dovey]

I'm checking in in the off chance that LE released the tapes. :sad:

I know what'll happen. I have to be away from home on Thursday. They'll release them then and I'll have to play catch up. :angry:

I have to go out of town for 3 weeks starting this coming Thursday with no internet so I'll have to join you playing catch up.
I hope I can get to an internet cafe or something maybe.

[Katprint]

and what the hey is Baez and his people doing, talking to NON-CLIENTS about the law as it pertains to THIS CASE.

I guess the Ritz nite with the anthonys has been unofficially extended. oops, is he going to claim he had a handshake deal with casey allowing him to talk about the case with them?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*
To split a hair, it is OK to talk to nonclients as long as you have the permission of their attorney if they are being represented by an attorney. Thus, the ethically improper part was not Baez talking to George but Baez talking to George without Conway's knowledge and consent.

By the way, the conversation between George and Baez is completely unprivileged. If the prosecution wants to, they can ask the judge for permission to re-depose George and ask him all about what he discussed with Baez. As a matter of course, I ALWAYS ask witnesses about what conversations they have had with the opposing party and/or the opposing party's attorney.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Pruddennce]

To split a hair, it is OK to talk to nonclients as long as you have the permission of their attorney if they are being represented by an attorney. Thus, the ethically improper part was not Baez talking to George but Baez talking to George without Conway's knowledge and consent.

By the way, the conversation between George and Baez is completely unprivileged. If the prosecution wants to, they can ask the judge for permission to re-depose George and ask him all about what he discussed with Baez. As a matter of course, I ALWAYS ask witnesses about what conversations they have had with the opposing party and/or the opposing party's attorney.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

I like your "by the way" :D

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

[imc_e]

Strike another one for the FLaBs! We's famous. :rolleyes:

:thumbsup:

[Dovey]

To split a hair, it is OK to talk to nonclients as long as you have the permission of their attorney if they are being represented by an attorney. Thus, the ethically improper part was not Baez talking to George but Baez talking to George without Conway's knowledge and consent.

By the way, the conversation between George and Baez is completely unprivileged. If the prosecution wants to, they can ask the judge for permission to re-depose George and ask him all about what he discussed with Baez. As a matter of course, I ALWAYS ask witnesses about what conversations they have had with the opposing party and/or the opposing party's attorney.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Linda, Linda re-depose George we want the scoop.

[sammy62]

if you take a listen to this, you will forget you typed the word 'empathy': around 7:20 on the slider......

here he is telling the press that his sister works for UNIVERSAL, but now 'kind of like' a subcontractor 'event coordinator' who wishes to remain unnamed..

and that she was doing all of the things a mother should be doing with her daughter 'on vacation' when she left her parents home, going to the beach, etc..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9yjoIjG7UY&feature=related

Lee LIED and notice with the level of ease....LE CONFIRMED in less than 24 hours that Casey didnt work for Universal for almost two years.....Casey A HERSELF confirmed it. <------yet, the sidewalk interview has Lee Anthony telling the press HER ORIGINAL STORY; this is AUGUST 5th!

and here we have Cindy A sitting by while family services interviewed HER AND CASEY in the home.....sitting by listening to Casey tell the original story about Sawgrass and HER JOB AT UNIVERSAL.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-11/43228283.PDF

now tell me, do you feel any empathy now? :D

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

only for ME.....night all :rolleyes:

[KittyMom]

I have to go out of town for 3 weeks starting this coming Thursday with no internet so I'll have to join you playing catch up.
I hope I can get to an internet cafe or something maybe.

lol...isn't it sad. Almost like going through withdrawal. lol

[crimeq]

too much time has lapsed on this case already!

Re: when Cindy knew about the odor in the car -- did she know about it while it was still at the towyard? I recall that she was at the towyard arguing about the cost to get the car out of hock, and then she had to go get money??? (not sure about that).

She wasn't with George when he opened the trunk and the garbage was tossed.

Did she see the car while it was at the yard, and smell it? Or did she not see the car until George drove it home?

Thanks anybody who can answer; I'm having a senior moment.

[Dovey]

lol...isn't it sad. Almost like going through withdrawal. lol

I really am not sure how I will manage it. Yikes and I just got me a new lappy.

I'll be BACK!!

[farrahrani]

Hi crimeq...
I have to assume Cindy went for the money and when they returned she went home and George took over in getting the car out of there. He brought gas with him so they already knew it was out of gas. That's when the horrible smell came into play. George "was thinking" under his breath that he hoped he wouldn't find Caylee in the trunk. I don't think Cindy was aware of the smell til George got it home.
Now, if I'm wrong I have one thing to say and that is the conversation was focused on George and Cindy was not mentioned after they went to get the money to bail their car out of the towyard.
Anyone?


Still not believing that car was out of gas. I believe that was just something Casey said to justify abandoning it in Amscott. She had left that purse on the front seat, and I believe she was desperately trying to get someone to put their fingerprints on that car whether it would be stolen or not. I just don't think she really thought nobody would touch such a "prize'' as a used car stinking of death, just to get a dummy purse.

Nobody actually checked to see that the car was out of gas, not the Amscott employees or the tow truck guy. Leaving George's opinion out for obvious reasons. :sneaky:

[crimeq]

Hi crimeq...
I have to assume Cindy went for the money and when they returned she went home and George took over in getting the car out of there. He brought gas with him so they already knew it was out of gas. That's when the horrible smell came into play. George "was thinking" under his breath that he hoped he wouldn't find Caylee in the trunk. I don't think Cindy was aware of the smell til George got it home.
Now, if I'm wrong I have one thing to say and that is the conversation was focused on George and Cindy was not mentioned after they went to get the money to bail their car out of the towyard.
Anyone?

Thanks Deanna -- so Cindy found Amy's resume in the car after George drove it home, then called Amy and high-tailed it over to TonE's for that confrontation -- took Amy home, drove around with Casey, and then called the police.

Did the laundry detail (Casey's pants) and car-cleaning attempts happen BEFORE or AFTER Cindy called Amy and went in search of Casey?

[crimeq]

Still not believing that car was out of gas. I believe that was just something Casey said to justify abandoning it in Amscott. She had left that purse on the front seat, and I believe she was desperately trying to get someone to put their fingerprints on that car whether it would be stolen or not. I just don't think she really thought nobody would touch such a "prize'' as a used car stinking of death, just to get a dummy purse.

Nobody actually checked to see that the car was out of gas, not the Amscott employees or the tow truck guy. Leaving George's opinion out for obvious reasons. :sneaky:

Farrah, I think Casey's grand plan was that someone would steal that car and she'd be home free. Actually I've wondered about Cindy's text message to Casey on the day C&G got the car from the towyard -- "call me, major prob" -- I've wondered if C&G were in on the plan to hopefully have the car stolen from Amscot -- and when they learned it was at a towyard instead, Cindy sends Casey the "major prob" message. Was it a major problem in their plan? I can't see Cindy threatening in a text message, "Call! Major prob!" and expect that Casey would respond (since she didn't pick up Cindy's calls or respond to text messages anyway).

[adair]

Hello, or Good morning Everyone!!!

I am trying to play catchup....did we get dd today?

Anything new happen?? :confused:

TIA!!!

[adair]

Farrah, I think Casey's grand plan was that someone would steal that car and she'd be home free. Actually I've wondered about Cindy's text message to Casey on the day C&G got the car from the towyard -- "call me, major prob" -- I've wondered if C&G were in on the plan to hopefully have the car stolen from Amscot -- and when they learned it was at a towyard instead, Cindy sends Casey the "major prob" message. Was it a major problem in their plan? I can't see Cindy threatening in a text message, "Call! Major prob!" and expect that Casey would respond (since she didn't pick up Cindy's calls or respond to text messages anyway).


Yeah, I totally agree that they expected that car to be stolen....and probably thought that it was, until they got that letter....and they seemed (IMO) to go into detail as to why it was a a couple of days before they noticed the letter on their front door. I guess i will never have 'trust" in any anthonyism.......

Ok now off to bed for me, and see you great people later today.

[adair]

Thanks Deanna -- so Cindy found Amy's resume in the car after George drove it home, then called Amy and high-tailed it over to TonE's for that confrontation -- took Amy home, drove around with Casey, and then called the police.

Did the laundry detail (Casey's pants) and car-cleaning attempts happen BEFORE or AFTER Cindy called Amy and went in search of Casey?


I thought that C went back to work after they got that car back....thanks!!

[desmom]

Still not believing that car was out of gas. I believe that was just something Casey said to justify abandoning it in Amscott. She had left that purse on the front seat, and I believe she was desperately trying to get someone to put their fingerprints on that car whether it would be stolen or not. I just don't think she really thought nobody would touch such a "prize'' as a used car stinking of death, just to get a dummy purse.

Nobody actually checked to see that the car was out of gas, not the Amscott employees or the tow truck guy. Leaving George's opinion out for obvious reasons. :sneaky:

Simon Burch, Johnson Towing employee, page 9 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Burch%20%20Simon-0724.pdf

SB: And then, and anyway, I went back to the car with him and the car wouldn’t start. And I looked, he was sitting in the car and I looked in the car and the gas gauge was on empty.

[desmom]

Florida Bar clears Jose Baez of ethics charges
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-baez-cleared-by-bar-090109,0,7176801.story

The bar cleared JB re the 2 complaints filed by Dominic Casey. The bar found insufficient evidence.

One was regarding a conversation DC said he had with JB about doing something other than calling 911 if he found Caylee's body. The bar committee reviewed documents and interviewed JB and others. JB told the bar he did not recall that conversation.

The other issue was regarding DC being paid. JB told the bar he would review the invoices and discuss it with DC.

There is no mention of the complaint filed by Judge Strickland WFTV's reported April 8 http://www.wftv.com/news/19130417/detail.html

jmo

[Kathlb]

Florida Bar clears Jose Baez of ethics charges
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-baez-cleared-by-bar-090109,0,7176801.story

The bar cleared JB re the 2 complaints filed by Dominic Casey. The bar found insufficient evidence.

One was regarding a conversation DC said he had with JB about doing something other than calling 911 if he found Caylee's body. The bar committee reviewed documents and interviewed JB and others. JB told the bar he did not recall that conversation.

The other issue was regarding DC being paid. JB told the bar he would review the invoices and discuss it with DC.

There is no mention of the complaint filed by Judge Strickland WFTV's reported April 8 http://www.wftv.com/news/19130417/detail.html

jmo

Darn! I was hoping that they wouldn't let him off that easily. All we can hope for now for justice on Jose is the complaint Judge Strickland filed on him, whatever that was.

[desmom]

Darn! I was hoping that they wouldn't let him off that easily. All we can hope for now for justice on Jose is the complaint Judge Strickland filed on him, whatever that was.

If a complaint re payment had not been filed, would JB have reviewed the invoices?

DC told LE he entered into a contract with JB on July 29, 2008 and the contract was terminated October 6, 2008.

Why is it people think they can ignore bills, invoices or statements? I have a lot of friends that are self-employed, they have bills to pay and need their money just like everyone else.

I am not impressed by DC, but I hope his contract included a late fee charge for late or lack of payments.

jmo

[Julie Dupree]

Florida Bar clears Jose Baez of ethics charges
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-baez-cleared-by-bar-090109,0,7176801.story

The bar cleared JB re the 2 complaints filed by Dominic Casey. The bar found insufficient evidence.

One was regarding a conversation DC said he had with JB about doing something other than calling 911 if he found Caylee's body. The bar committee reviewed documents and interviewed JB and others. JB told the bar he did not recall that conversation.

The other issue was regarding DC being paid. JB told the bar he would review the invoices and discuss it with DC.


There is no mention of the complaint filed by Judge Strickland WFTV's reported April 8 http://www.wftv.com/news/19130417/detail.html

jmo

Good Morning Desmom...and thanks for the news:)
I was hoping this would turn out differently, but I realize that is a personal thing because I think JB is a less than lawyer.
Guess the complainant filed by Judge Srickland did not have any bearing...which really surprises me. Or maybe it was about something else and not about the DC thingie.
Hope we have some new reading material soon.
Have a great day, and again thanks for all you do for us.
J

[Julie Dupree]

If a complaint re payment had not been filed, would JB have reviewed the invoices?

DC told LE he entered into a contract with JB on July 29, 2008 and the contract was terminated October 6, 2008.

Why is it people think they can ignore bills, invoices or statements? I have a lot of friends that are self-employed, they have bills to pay and need their money just like everyone else.

I am not impressed by DC, but I hope his contract included a late fee charge for late or lack of payments.

jmo

Seems JB has a history of ignoring bill responsibility:)

[Julie Dupree]

I was reading the boards from yesterday and noticed someone said that Casey had written to Judge Evans (I think it was), did we find out what that was about?

[desmom]

I was reading the boards from yesterday and noticed someone said that Casey had written to Judge Evans (I think it was), did we find out what that was about?

Judge Robert Evans – signed court order for AT&T to obtain Casey’s cell phone records.

http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/casey-anthony-whos-who-list-revised-8-20-2009/who-is-who-on-the-legal-teams/

I think it was decided Judge Strickland may not have been available, so Judge Evans signed the court order.

jmo

[Julie Dupree]

I think it was decided Judge Strickland may not have been available, so Judge Evans signed the court order.

jmo

Thanks desmom.
So this wasn't something that just happened?
I thought they had requested her cell phone records last year!

[Jeepers]

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2009/05/detecting-deception-analysis-of-casey-anthony/

Good morning, I spent most of last night re-reading past documents. I ran across this article about deception in Casey's interview with LE. I thought it was interesting to read what words Casey used and how the writer broke it down.
Also, there is a part where Casey is talking in past tense about where Casylee LIKED to go.
Just thought it was a good breakdown.

[desmom]

Thanks desmom.
So this wasn't something that just happened?
I thought they had requested her cell phone records last year!

Ooops my mistake. I just poured my lst cup of coffee, so bare with me....

I found the original post:
Good morning to everyone

I just looked at the clerk's office and it seems that OC wrote a letter to Judge Evans.

8/28/2009 A CORRESPONDENCE FILED FROM INMATE TO JUDGE EVANS

I found Judge Evans web page, but it seems that the page is being updated at this time. I wonder if OC is trying to get a new judge for her trial?

The judge's page
http://www.ninthcircuit.org/judges/circuit_judges/robert_evans.shtml

I have no idea. Could this be something from the defense? I can't imagine JB and Team allowing Casey to communicate with a judge.

Could it have been another inmate sentenced by Judge Evans sent him a letter to the Judge with information about Caylee's case and this is some type of discovery document?

:shrug:

[desmom]

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2009/05/detecting-deception-analysis-of-casey-anthony/

Good morning, I spent most of last night re-reading past documents. I ran across this article about deception in Casey's interview with LE. I thought it was interesting to read what words Casey used and how the writer broke it down.
Also, there is a part where Casey is talking in past tense about where Casylee LIKED to go.
Just thought it was a good breakdown.


Thanks Jeepers. :seeya:

[Julie Dupree]

Ooops my mistake. I just poured my lst cup of coffee, so bare with me....

I found the original post:


I have no idea. Could this be something from the defense? I can't imagine JB and Team allowing Casey to communicate with a judge.

Could it have been another inmate sentenced by Judge Evans sent him a letter to the Judge with information about Caylee's case and this is some type of discovery document?

:shrug:


Maybe we will learn more today.
Gotta run, have a good one. :) enjoy your coffee.
J

[Jeepers]

I like Linda a lot. I could tell this was not her first rodeo by no means. She already had a heads up on their behavior at the deposition. I can't wait until they call George and Cindy to the stand and I hope Linda does the questioning.
jmo:thumbsup:

Altho I don't know how that will work out for the State because George and Cindy are the States witnesses and George and Cindy will not be happy at all. Is will not surprise me if they call them as they see them. (hostile witnesses):sneaky:

In my opinion, George and Cindy will act just like George did at the last hearing we saw. I believe that was a little taste o what we will see from them two. I think that was a prelude to how they will respond to the state's questions.

[martha]

Just think about all the lies that Cindy told and continues to tell, and how she has tried to blame innocent bystanders like Jesse Grund, TonE and Amy, and how mean she was to well-meaning people like Tim Miller and his searchers, and how she sold photos and movies of Caylee for hundreds of thousands of dollars, and how she copyrighted Caylee's name and set up the bogus foundation so she can make even more money off of poor ("missing") Caylee's tragic death in the future, and how it was CINDY who raised Casey to be a Big Brat in the first place by failing to ever hold Casey accountable for any of her prior bad conduct. You'll get over it.

Katprint
Who feels sorry for Caylee but not for Cindy
Always only my own opinionsI am with you on this. all I have to do is think of CAYLEE and that does it for me. cindy and casey or just alike.jmho

[Holden]

Still not believing that car was out of gas. I believe that was just something Casey said to justify abandoning it in Amscott. She had left that purse on the front seat, and I believe she was desperately trying to get someone to put their fingerprints on that car whether it would be stolen or not. I just don't think she really thought nobody would touch such a "prize'' as a used car stinking of death, just to get a dummy purse.

Nobody actually checked to see that the car was out of gas, not the Amscott employees or the tow truck guy. Leaving George's opinion out for obvious reasons. :sneaky:

I agree. casey was not out of gas that day, she just had to get rid of that car. It smelled like rotten pizza in her trunk! (sorry, couldn't resist) If she had run out of gas would not the people who helped her push her car have pushed it off the road - period? Maybe into a parking lot but certainly not up against a dumpster so perfectly. Besides - if I had helped push a stinky car and the driver told me to put it next to this dumpster I think I would be saying....hmmmmmm:sneaky: Where are these phantom car pushers? Certainly they've read about this case. She was just unlucky for this one. She wanted the stinky car stolen, hence the purse or wallet, or whatever it was - right there on the seat. Poor dear. Her luck ran out :thumbup:

[desmom]

Morning des - kath - you guys are here early today!

--snipped to address questions

Was The Anthony house fairly close to the tow yard? Reason: I know that George took gas because the car was supposedly "out of gas" - (IIRC - but I am not sure how or WHY he thought that since Casey had not told them anything about the car when she left it there) or the fact that she said that she HAD "PEOPLE" (which is at least 2) HELP her push an out of gas Pontiac into the Amscot lot?)

Is this tow guys interview with LE the only mention anywhere about the gas gauge indicator on "empty"?

Had GA already put gas in it and was trying to start it when he noted the gauge? Had the car been started yet when he said that he SAW the gauge reading EMPTY? And wouldn't a person have to be closer to the dash to see that - even short of sticking your head in the car to see? And why would the tow yard guy even CARE HOW much gas the car had in it - even if GA TOLD him that? So? And?

It bugs me that Casey said the car was so out of gas that she needed assistance PUSHING it into the lot FROM OTHER PEOPLE - well, then why did NO ONE EVER come forward and say, "Hey, we helped CASEY ANTHONY push her car into the lot!" I think anyone who lives in FL knew about this case would have dropped a dime and made that connection clear to LE - don't you think? And would they not say, FGS the SMELL almost KNOCKED US DOWN - because THE SMELL was already so bad that she could no longer DRIVE THE CAR because of it? But NOT because she had once again COMPLETELY run out of gas! Why would Casey just ABANDON the car for this! She had to BORROW cars from friends! Why not just put even 3 bucks worth of gas in it to get it to the nearest gas station? Does not compute.

And also, what about the Amscot lot surveillance video? Was it ever made public yet? I was thinking that would be an exceptional piece of evidence because well,

Last Question - Did she leave the key in the ignition? and not just TAKE HER PURSE?

Makes me say "OH, COME ON!!!" I must go now, but I will return to see if anyone had thoughts about this.

Thanks for bearing with me. Excellent panel, weigh in friends...:unsure:

Re tow yard in relation to the Anthony home: According to google maps, the tow yard is approximately 6 miles from the Anthony home.

Re George taking gas to the tow yard. George told LE in the 7/24 interview page 18 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Anthony%20%20George0724.pdf She ran out of gas for the umpteenth number of times….

Re Gas Gauge - IIRC, LE did test the gas gauge and it was working properly.

Re: Simon Burch said on page 9 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Burch%20%20Simon-0724.pdf I went back to the car with him and the car wouldn’t start. And I looked, he was sitting in the car and I looked in the car and the gas gauge was on empty.

Re: people pushing the car - A lot of people do not follow the news or watch NG. Also, by the time the info came out about someone helping Casey push the car into the lot, this case had turned into a media circus. I think most people would be hesitant to want to get in the middle of this mess. I am not so sure I buy the story. It has been reported by posters from the area this is a pretty busy intersection, yet not one witness that we know of has called in to verify Casey's story.

Re Casey putting $3 worth of gas in the car: Gas at that time was hovering around $4 a gallon. Did Casey even have $3 to put gas in the car?

Re Amscot video surveillance: Nothing has been released in doc dumps. Do they have video cameras on the outside of their building? Would interior cameras catch the driveway?

Re keys in the car: Gary Ridgeway, tow truck driver, told LE on page 3 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1643180/Ridgeway-Gary---Statement Being a front wheel drive car I checked to see if it was unlocked because sometimes you can put them in neutral and move them, but it was locked. Simon Burch said on page 4 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Burch%20%20Simon-0724.pdf I asked them if they had the keys and he said, “Yes, I have the keys.” IMO, there were no keys in the car.

Re purse in the car: The only report we have heard about Casey's purse being in the car came from Cindy in an interview, I believe, with Larry King.

jmo

[SoggyBayou]

Florida Bar clears Casey Anthony's lawyer of ethics charges
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-baez-cleared-by-bar-090109,0,7176801.story

[ish]

I'm so sorry seeing_eye. I thought that was solid because I have read it numerous times on the board.

I can only guess Casey did not want this beautiful child from the time she discovered she was pregnant. In fact, she didn't say anything until she was 7 months pregnant. Wonder if she would have been like those girls who end up in the girls bathroom at a school or a club, give birth and leave. She did deny she was pregnant when questioned. Dumb azz Cindy being a nurse didn't notice til she was way into her months and Casey told her. Er, right?

That lie I have to say I believed. She did murder her own daughter. Her attention to her daughter was extinct and she was always leaving her with mommy dearest.:sneaky:
jmo

I think you're right in that Casey didn't want Caylee, but I don't think she hid the pregnancy from Cindy and George as much as she just ignored it and hoped it would "go away". She knew G & C wouldn't confront her on it, they kept their heads in the sand whenever a problem arose. I can totally see her giving birth in the bathroom while George & Cindy were at work and dumping the baby. I think what stopped that from happening was other people noticing her condition and remarking on it, if no one had ever noticed or remarked I absolutely believe she would have gone right to the end and given birth alone and "gotten rid" of the baby. Female problems solved.

[desmom]

I think you're right in that Casey didn't want Caylee, but I don't think she hid the pregnancy from Cindy and George as much as she just ignored it and hoped it would "go away". She knew G & C wouldn't confront her on it, they kept their heads in the sand whenever a problem arose. I can totally see her giving birth in the bathroom while George & Cindy were at work and dumping the baby. I think what stopped that from happening was other people noticing her condition and remarking on it, if no one had ever noticed or remarked I absolutely believe she would have gone right to the end and given birth alone and "gotten rid" of the baby. Female problems solved.

Casey does have a history of ignoring and/or throwing away things that inconvenience her.

I will never believe Cindy did not know Casey was pregnant when they went to Rick's wedding.

jmo

[101Spots]

Florida Bar clears Casey Anthony's lawyer of ethics charges
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-baez-cleared-by-bar-090109,0,7176801.story

From your link:

"Casey also raised another issue dealing with payment for his services. Baez advised the Bar that he would review appropriate invoices and discuss them with the investigator."

I'm a little disgusted that the FL Bar would allow Jose to get away with another one of his "Don't worry about that, Ill take care of it" promises. There seems to be no indication that he will have to show the FL Bar that he did indeed take care of it, especially in light of his past performances concerning payments. :thumbdown:

[ish]

We need an intervention!

Look at the picture. Look directly at the picture.

Cindy (http://i42.tinypic.com/23hr2me.jpg)

Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200.


Feel better now?

That is not what I want to see early in the morning before my second or third cup of coffee.

[SoggyBayou]

Not enough evidence???
They didn't look hard enough...LOL
Just because they didn't have enough information doesn't make him innocent...JMO

I oopsied, des had posted the link a page back. I should have looked. Sorry des.

It appears DC did not bring forth proper evidence for the bar to rely on. Just, he said, he said.
I think that DC just wants to get paid for his services. IMO

Weren't there other complaints to the bar?

[ish]

Casey does have a history of ignoring and/or throwing away things that inconvenience her.

I will never believe Cindy did not know Casey was pregnant when they went to Rick's wedding.
jmo

my bold

Knowing and admitting are two different things, like mother, like daughter.

I think Rick's remarks forced both Casey and Cindy to acknowledge the elephant in the room.

[trich]

Not enough evidence???
They didn't look hard enough...LOL
Just because they didn't have enough information doesn't make him innocent...JMO

Well think about it....since he has been cleared of ethics charges that will most certainly not be a reason for an appeal.
Slowly but surely I can see any possible reason for appeal non existent:tonguewag:. and that works for me.

[trich]

my bold

Knowing and admitting are two different things, like mother, like daughter.

I think Rick's remarks forced both Casey and Cindy to acknowledge the elephant in the room.

Oh I agree...just like they know Casey killed Caylee but refuse to admit it out loud to themselves or anyone else.
I do have to wonder how they sleep at night though......such a lie to live with.

[adair]

Morning des - kath - you guys are here early today! The Anthony case never sleeps, ya think? Question: Was The Anthony house fairly close to the tow yard? Reason: I know that George took gas because the car was supposedly "out of gas" - (IIRC - but I am not sure how or WHY he thought that since Casey had not told them anything about the car when she left it there) or the fact that she said that she HAD "PEOPLE" (which is at least 2) HELP her push an out of gas Pontiac into the Amscot lot?)

I wondered if the tow lot was close to the house, and did George take the same gas can that showed up in evidence with the tape on it? The same one Casey had THROWN at him days before (remember when he told LE that he had tried to just grab the gas cans she had "borrowed" himself from in the trunk and she practically tackled him so he couldn't?). Is this tow guys interview with LE the only mention anywhere about the gas gauge indicator on "empty"?

My gas gauge does not indicate ANYTHING until I turn the key - so I wonder if tow guy said he saw George already sitting in the car WAS HE GAGGING? Had GA already put gas in it and was trying to start it when he noted the gauge? Did GA have to lift the hood and pour gas in the carburetor because it was BONE dry - or have trouble just getting gas in it from an nozzled can? Had the car been started yet when he said that he SAW the gauge reading EMPTY? And wouldn't a person have to be closer to the dash to see that - even short of sticking your head in the car to see? And why would the tow yard guy even CARE HOW much gas the car had in it - even if GA TOLD him that? So? And? Oh, and what about THE SMELL? I just don't see lot employees checking incoming cars gas gauges and making note of that little factoid anywhere - am I reaching here? I know niggling questions, but the Devil is in the details, ya know? This bugs me...anyone else?

I have a Chevy that has a low gas light indicator in it - but I know for a fact that I can usually drive another 10-15 miles or so without even worrying about gas. And I know that my kids have tested this because they refuse to gas up when the light comes on! As long as there is SOME gas in it - they brought it home on fumes! Made me think of when my kids were little and they would want something in a store and I would tell them I didn't have any extra money with me - and they would say, "well, you have a whole checkbook - just write one out!" As if. Oh, innocent babes they were! But Where am I going with this? I swear I have a point in here somewhere - it is still early!

I read in PopMech that a lot of cars that have low gas indicators are that are preset by the factory tocome on WAY before there is an actual complete drainage and complete running out of gas. Knowing what we know about Casey and her propensity to run out of gas - don't you think SHE would know exactly how long she had before it was a dead soldier - kinda like MY KIDS DID - like MOST kids do if you think about it! Niggling Question Alert......

It bugs me that Casey said the car was so out of gas that she needed assistance PUSHING it into the lot FROM OTHER PEOPLE - well, then why did NO ONE EVER come forward and say, "Hey, we helped CASEY ANTHONY push her car into the lot!" I think anyone who lives in FL knew about this case would have dropped a dime and made that connection clear to LE - don't you think? And would they not say, FGS the SMELL almost KNOCKED US DOWN - because THE SMELL was already so bad that she could no longer DRIVE THE CAR because of it? But NOT because she had once again COMPLETELY run out of gas! Why would Casey just ABANDON the car for this! She had to BORROW cars from friends! Why not just put even 3 bucks worth of gas in it to get it to the nearest gas station? Does not compute.

And also, what about the Amscot lot surveillance video? Was it ever made public yet? I was thinking that would be an exceptional piece of evidence because well, you would see whether or not PEOPLE (PLURAL) pushed it there from the busy street! Wouldn't it? And also pinpoint the time she left it there, see if she ever drove another vehicle by there, or stopped there later and possibly added her purse into the equation? I wonder if she thought she would try this to kinda "sweeten the temptation to steal it" when no one took it right away after she parked next to the dumpster? Lastly, wondering if she was a purse kind of woman (I personally AM NOT, but I have several friends who carry their entire LIVES around in their purses) - and would have a cow if it even got accidentally misplaced? IDK.

Last Question - Did she leave the key in the ignition? Maybe not her entire keychain, but at least the ignition key? To me that would be a whole lot easier to entice some random perpetrator to actually commit "Grand Theft Pontiac" and not just TAKE HER PURSE? Again, would the SMELL not REPEL all of these marauding bandits who target and specialize in white Pontiac Sunfires?

Makes me say "OH, COME ON!!!" I must go now, but I will return to see if anyone had thoughts about this.

Thanks for bearing with me. Excellent panel, weigh in friends...:unsure:

Good Morning, still have not got my 1st Diet pepsi down yet, so bare with me...lol

Yes i think its very suspect that George "knew" the car was out of gas....

And I think that G wanted a "witness"...for more then just not having a body in the trunk.

....and fwiw, I recall on NG that she has talked about amscot surveillance tapes....about a white car that drove around and around it. She mentioned this briefly, and then nothing about this...Anyone remember this? Bueller? lol

....and i found something interesting on Acandyrose about the timeline/ cindy laundering the pants, so i will just give a link...

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_timeline2008July.htm

Start reading around 7/14. In the link, Cindy talks about how she didtn't go thru the car, but found the slacks, and washed them because she had a load of clothes ready to wash, and that she found Amy's number, under kc purse,...Caylee's backpack with hardly anything in it, some shoes. It's laughable that she starts out saying that she didnt go thru the car. Um.....Yeah ok...

And if you had a "dead smelling article of clothing", would you throw that in the wash with the rest of your clothes....um hell no, I wouldn't, I would be afraid of everything smelling like them.


Good to see my friends this am..

[adair]

Wow - I didn't realize my post was as long as it is before I submitted it! I apologize for it's length! I know long posts are not viewed favorably - and I understand why that is - but I did not intend for this train of thought I had to be so drawn out. I was just writing as it came to me, which is what I kinda just do. IGGY me if too long, and again, sorry fellow posters! I will check back in later...lol...this post should last me until this evening, I will steer clear and leave room for others! LOL


Actually I liked your post...and the format. It was broken down, easy to read and understand. I have fibromyalgia, and I have trouble with posts that are not broken up into sections.....I keep loosing my place. LOL :biggrin:

[101Spots]

That is not what I want to see early in the morning before my second or third cup of coffee.

:lol: I don't look until after my second or third *drink.*

[101Spots]

I don't think this includes the complaint from Judge Stan.

IIRC, there was a complaint from DCasey, one from Judge Stan, and another whose origin was never identified.

Or is my old age showing again?

[alisa31235]

Casey does have a history of ignoring and/or throwing away things that inconvenience her.

I will never believe Cindy did not know Casey was pregnant when they went to Rick's wedding.

jmo

Good morning all... Des i have come to believe that since Cindy was a nurse of decomposition she did not know about pregnancy :tonguewag: imo

[ish]

In my opinion, George and Cindy will act just like George did at the last hearing we saw. I believe that was a little taste o what we will see from them two. I think that was a prelude to how they will respond to the state's questions.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear him say "Caylee Marie?" "Um, I'll need to see a photo to remind me" "Oh, yes, now I recall"

[ish]

:lol: I don't look until after my second or third *drink.*

I'll take your suggestion in the future, it will make a lot of things about this case easier to digest!:thumbsup: