8/31, 9/1, 9/2

[ish]

IF a video visit ever happens (and I don't believe Casey will allow it unless Lyon tells her to), a complete script will be followed IMO.

Totally scripted by Lyon, complete with sobbing and possibly (if she can muster them) real tears! She doesn't have to say much, a couple of I love yous and I miss yous to try and curry the public sympathy. If Cindy and George go off script and ask forbidden questions, Casey can just Plan B it and become too overwhelmed to speak. I'm sure Lyon will coach her well.

[Jeepers]

Fool Me you are a Hoot!
Jus Luvs Ya!

Casey is too lazy to pick up a tin cup and rake it over the bars. Even guilty people make a noise about being innocent. Not her... she just sits there and pokes her finger into her eyes,smacking on her pork skins. No emotion, perfect inmate.
How is that?

MO. Once Andrea gets information on all of the A's family members and starts organizing her strategy on how to defend Casey if I were an Anthony I would be terribly afraid I would end up in jail for Casey's crimes.

[ish]

You obviously do not know the "Angel of Death Row!" After reading her website, I'm sure nothing will detract from her fight to keep Casey off death row.

I think you are right, people like AL don't care about the crime only that the punishment is not the death penalty. That is what they oppose. Baez may want her found not guilty, AL just wants a non death penalty sentence. I think difference in desired end result is going to cause probelms on the "team"

[*Serenity*]

:angry: I see we have no new doc-dump and have to wonder what is taking the media so long to get the new docs out?

Not surprised at all to hear George and Cindy are fed-up with Baez.
I thought they were fed-up with him long ago. I remember Lee didn't like him at all in the very beginning. I am quite surprised that it
took G & C this long to go against his wishes about contact with
Casey. LOL G & C will be in for a bigger suprise when
this goes to trial and Baez throws them under the bus. Jose used
them pretty good to do what he told them to do and kept them
close for his and Casey's own selfish reasons. Players... all of em'.

[Postergeist]

Totally scripted by Lyon, complete with sobbing and possibly (if she can muster them) real tears! She doesn't have to say much, a couple of I love yous and I miss yous to try and curry the public sympathy. If Cindy and George go off script and ask forbidden questions, Casey can just Plan B it and become too overwhelmed to speak. I'm sure Lyon will coach her well.

ah, so she takes over as the new Puppet Master...

I will prepare myself for some very dull interaction with the Hand Family then.

[Lapis]

(snipped - sorry, jeepers)

how is this possible? is it only the prosecution that has to produce exculpatory evidence?

kat, lapis?

AL and the other attorneys did not represent Logan(?). Only the prosecution is under an obligation to produce exculpatory evidence in any case. AL et als were under no legal obligation to produce the affidavit or confession. I'm not certain from what we have read that AL was even the attorney that was calling the shots in that particular case.

AL et als are under a legal obligation not to produce the affidavit without the consent of the client. There is no exception to attorney-client priviledge that covers this. For those who are outraged at this, please remember the reason behind the priviledge. For an attorney to represent a client effectively the client needs to be assured that anything said will remain confidential. Clients need to feel free to tell their attorney everything so that the attorney is not surprised if things come out during the trial.

Attorneys, doctors and priests do not have the luxury of making moral decisions. We are under a legal prohibition from revealing things said to us. If you work at a particular place and don't like the way your boss does business, you have the luxury of quitting your job and can get another one elsewhere. If you feel the business practices are illegal you can go to the authorities. Doing so has no impact on your ablitity to work in your chosen profession. We do not have that luxury. If we don't like the way our boss (client) does business, our only alternative is to withdraw as counsel. (and depending on the stage of the matter, the court may not even permit us to do that) We can urge the client to come forward, but ultimately it is their decision. (here, we do not know what efforts were made in this regard as those conversations are also priviledge. We do know that ulitimately AL et als were successful in getting the consent.) We cannot go to the authorities. Doing so may result in the loss of our license and career.

Ask yourself the question, Should AL have jeopardized her entire career?

Please do not believe that any of the above makes our (attorneys, doctors and priests) lives any easier or sits well with us. It is perhaps more difficult for us to live with some of the things we know. If you have never been in that position, you cannot understand how it can weigh on your mind. Keeping the secrets do not make us immoral, but rather, we are preserving the sanctity of the confessional, the doctor's office and the lawyer's office. For the system to operate effectively, it is a necessary evil. When you go to the doctor or a lawyer or confession does it enter your mind that what you are saying may cause the hearer a moral dilemma? or are you comforted by the notion that what you say will be kept confidential?

JMO

[Lapis]

I am pretty sure a defense attorney can not testify for his client.
If he is to present a defense of "this is what really happened" I believe the client would have to get up on the stand and testify , under oath.

Okay legal eagles am I right or wrong?

I do have to say though I would love for Casey to testify under oath as to her story.
I know it will never happen but IMO it would be something to see and hear.

There are ways to tell a story without the client taking the stand. You present the outline of the story through the cross examination of other witnesses and putting other witnesses on the stand. JMO

[Postergeist]

<snipped>

Attorneys, doctors and priests do not have the luxury of making moral decisions.

...

When you go to the doctor or a lawyer or confession does it enter your mind that what you are saying may cause the hearer a moral dilemma? or are you comforted by the notion that what you say will be kept confidential?

JMO

Snipped this post to address the doctor part of it- I have had more than one doctor make moral decisions, which always came as a surprise to me. They are no longer my doctors.


I do have a question- if a person were to tell his attorney or his priest or his doctor that he planned to kill X- would any of the three feel obligated to warn X that their lives are in jeopardy, or by their code, they could not do that, because that would break the confidence?

[Lapis]

Snipped this post to address the doctor part of it- I have had more than one doctor make moral decisions, which always came as a surprise to me. They are no longer my doctors.


I do have a question- if a person were to tell his attorney or his priest or his doctor that he planned to kill X- would any of the three feel obligated to warn X that their lives are in jeopardy, or by their code, they could not do that, because that would break the confidence?

This presents a much different situation. They could warn X without revealing the identity of the person making the threats. They could also inform the client that they are under an obligation to inform the intended victim. JMO

[Barbara fl.]

AL and the other attorneys did not represent Logan(?). Only the prosecution is under an obligation to produce exculpatory evidence in any case. AL et als were under no legal obligation to produce the affidavit or confession. I'm not certain from what we have read that AL was even the attorney that was calling the shots in that particular case.

AL et als are under a legal obligation not to produce the affidavit without the consent of the client. There is no exception to attorney-client priviledge that covers this. For those who are outraged at this, please remember the reason behind the priviledge. For an attorney to represent a client effectively the client needs to be assured that anything said will remain confidential. Clients need to feel free to tell their attorney everything so that the attorney is not surprised if things come out during the trial.

Attorneys, doctors and priests do not have the luxury of making moral decisions. We are under a legal prohibition from revealing things said to us. If you work at a particular place and don't like the way your boss does business, you have the luxury of quitting your job and can get another one elsewhere. If you feel the business practices are illegal you can go to the authorities. Doing so has no impact on your ablitity to work in your chosen profession. We do not have that luxury. If we don't like the way our boss (client) does business, our only alternative is to withdraw as counsel. (and depending on the stage of the matter, the court may not even permit us to do that) We can urge the client to come forward, but ultimately it is their decision. (here, we do not know what efforts were made in this regard as those conversations are also priviledge. We do know that ulitimately AL et als were successful in getting the consent.) We cannot go to the authorities. Doing so may result in the loss of our license and career.

Ask yourself the question, Should AL have jeopardized her entire career?

Please do not believe that any of the above makes our (attorneys, doctors and priests) lives any easier or sits well with us. It is perhaps more difficult for us to live with some of the things we know. If you have never been in that position, you cannot understand how it can weigh on your mind. Keeping the secrets do not make us immoral, but rather, we are preserving the sanctity of the confessional, the doctor's office and the lawyer's office. For the system to operate effectively, it is a necessary evil. When you go to the doctor or a lawyer or confession does it enter your mind that what you are saying may cause the hearer a moral dilemma? or are you comforted by the notion that what you say will be kept confidential?

JMO




Everything you wrote makes so much sense...too many times we blame the attornies for defending these creeps...when they have a job to do...

I remember one time that F Lee Bailey was on a talk show, and he was asked the very same question...What do you do when you know that your client is guilty of a horrible crime....and his response was, that a good attorney can defend a rapist and a murder and deliberately lose a case and it would never be detected as to him not defending the client with all he had....He said that the attorney's no more want to see these murderers and rapists on the street then does the public...

Buuuuuut, when I have seen some of these lawyers defending the obviously guilty and win, it takes away from the respect of those type of lawyers...some of them really don't care who they get off...as long as they make a name for themselves.....

[ish]

Lee seems to be level headed, as in his interviews w/LE and FBI, and even his depo w/Morgan & Co. Earnest, sincere, cooperative. But, he kind of blew it, IMO, with his statement of believing everything Casey told him, when he answers seemed to contradict that. Oh, and his giggle/snicker/chortle/sinister laugh was weird and inappropriate, but he did not fly off the handle.

George and Cindy, while they weren't angry or hostile in their LE/FBI interviews, sure showed they can get their mettle up when they did the civil depos. Anger, hostility, opposition. I swear, if Morgan had said they were in Orlando, FL, that either one would have contradicted him on that!!! I was surprised they were so mild for the state depos, but I'm betting that either one on the stand would be just like they were @ the civil depo. In spades.

George wasn't openly defiant and angry in the portion of that last hearing that I watched, but he did do the mouth twisting and head rearing. He appears to me as someone who thinks that he should NOT have to be there, that he should NOT have to answer their questions, that some have been asked and answered and it is irritating to have to do so again. I see both of them being volatile. There will times court will have to be recessed, and I'm betting there will be a few charges of contempt of court with these two. IMO

I think right now Lee is a "wild card" for the defense and the prosecution, he could come on the stand and totally blow Casey out of the water, or he could come on and be her number one supporter, backing up every lie she has told. It is hard figure which way he is going as he is so silent and low profile now. Within the first minute or two on the stand however, we will know.

George will go back and forth trying to walk the fence as long as he can, for every bit of evidence he gives against her, he will try to counter with a supportive comment. The test will come when he backed into a corner and has to give Yes/No answers.

Cindy, oh Cindy, this is gonna be a showdown, right there in the courtroom. FLB that I am (and I wear that label proudly) I don't intend to miss a second of the anticipated trainwreck. Will Cindy be able to bring her binder up to the stand, so she can refer to it, will George bring a framed photo of "that little girl" with him and will Lee kiss his wrist and call out to the mysterious "CMA" ? :unsure:

[Jeepers]

Weren't tin cups banned from all jails back in the 70's?
:confused:

Ok, how bout this :Casey is too lazy to rake her paper/plastic/sipey cup across the jail bars.

Did not know that tin cups had been banned but, it would make sense, one could make a nasty weapon from that metal cup.:shrug:

[Postergeist]

This presents a much different situation. They could warn X without revealing the identity of the person making the threats. They could also inform the client that they are under an obligation to inform the intended victim. JMO

hmm interesting, thanks. I wonder how many in those fields would actually do anything at all, (we know from many school age kids that most never took their friends threats/warnings serious, so most never reported to any teachers, parents, etc. when some tragedy makes the news).

Just wondering out loud how many that are under legal obligations would care about a stranger's life to do something to benefit that stranger that could jeopardize their own line of work.

[Barbara fl.]

I think right now Lee is a "wild card" for the defense and the prosecution, he could come on the stand and totally blow Casey out of the water, or he could come on and be her number one supporter, backing up every lie she has told. It is hard figure which way he is going as he is so silent and low profile now. Within the first minute or two on the stand however, we will know.

George will go back and forth trying to walk the fence as long as he can, for every bit of evidence he gives against her, he will try to counter with a supportive comment. The test will come when he backed into a corner and has to give Yes/No answers.

Cindy, oh Cindy, this is gonna be a showdown, right there in the courtroom. FLB that I am (and I wear that label proudly) I don't intend to miss a second of the anticipated trainwreck. Will Cindy be able to bring her binder up to the stand, so she can refer to it, will George bring a framed photo of "that little girl" with him and will Lee kiss his wrist and call out to the mysterious "CMA" ? :unsure:

Your good....I see all of the above happening.....

[Amy]

Everything you wrote makes so much sense...too many times we blame the attornies for defending these creeps...when they have a job to do...

I remember one time that F Lee Bailey was on a talk show, and he was asked the very same question...What do you do when you know that your client is guilty of a horrible crime....and his response was, that a good attorney can defend a rapist and a murder and deliberately lose a case and it would never be detected as to him not defending the client with all he had....He said that the attorney's no more want to see these murderers and rapists on the street then does the public...

Buuuuuut, when I have seen some of these lawyers defending the obviously guilty and win, it takes away from the respect of those type of lawyers...some of them really don't care who they get off...as long as they make a name for themselves.....

That may well have been true of F Lee Bailey, and even many, many more. But, in this day and age, the actions and statements of many defense attorneys (especially those of high profile cases) it does seem as tho their whole point is to get their client off, guilty or not. Perhaps it is BECAUSE it is a high profile case, and they think their careers would be better served if they "won" their case, not just getting the lowest sentence possible for their client.

[sydney]

Buuuuuut, when I have seen some of these lawyers defending the obviously guilty and win, it takes away from the respect of those type of lawyers...some of them really don't care who they get off...as long as they make a name for themselves.....

(snipped by me - hey barb!)

i've seen bits of two trials where i KNEW the defendant was guilty - absolutely KNEW it, but i felt the state failed to prove their case and the jury apparently agreed with me and found the person not guilty. yes, sometimes i can be that way. i was by no means happy about it, but it kinda made me feel glad that we live here in the good ol' united states instead of somewhere else where IUPG is GUPI.

[KittyMom]

:angry: Where's that doc dump? My patience is wearing thin. I'm gonna need some pork rinds soon.

[ish]

That is a very good question, Didnt Conway even say that is how they were communicating, and if so, Conway knew it was wrong......
How long until Conway get fired by G & C....? JMO

(I dont have a link to Conway saying this, but I am pretty sure it was him)

G & C may have sent letters to Casey thru Baez, but he had no obligation to deliver them. IMO, there have been no written letters from Casey to her parents, not Baez failing to deliver them, I don't believe they ever existed. Casey has no desire to communicate with the folks. She knows they want answers and she knows she isn't going to tell them anything. She also knows the longer she keeps them at arms length the more desperate they become and the more willing to do anything to get in her good graces. IF she keeps AL from forcing a visit, by the time trial comes (more than 2 yrs after Caylee's death), G & C will be willing to do most anything to "save" Casey. Their relief and joy at finally being able to see her and have her bestow a smile and a wave at them will be a pitiful thing to see. Even from jail she continues to manipulate and control them.

[Amy]

I think right now Lee is a "wild card" for the defense and the prosecution, he could come on the stand and totally blow Casey out of the water, or he could come on and be her number one supporter, backing up every lie she has told. It is hard figure which way he is going as he is so silent and low profile now. Within the first minute or two on the stand however, we will know.

George will go back and forth trying to walk the fence as long as he can, for every bit of evidence he gives against her, he will try to counter with a supportive comment. The test will come when he backed into a corner and has to give Yes/No answers.

Cindy, oh Cindy, this is gonna be a showdown, right there in the courtroom. FLB that I am (and I wear that label proudly) I don't intend to miss a second of the anticipated trainwreck. Will Cindy be able to bring her binder up to the stand, so she can refer to it, will George bring a framed photo of "that little girl" with him and will Lee kiss his wrist and call out to the mysterious "CMA" ? :unsure:

Bolding mine.

I sure as heck hope it's televised. I hope the actual date is announced in time for me to ask for vacation time. I'd sure hate to ask for time off, just to find the date has changed!!! Trouble is, I don't know how long the trial will last, and if I can ask for that amount of time off. I might have to concoct some kind of personal leave for that period of time!!!

I know, in CA, trials there can be drug out for months and months, @ least the high profile cases (which could be a part of the state's financial distress, IMO) but hows about in FL? Do they just get to the nitty gritty, hold court all day every day and get it over with? Or, are there cases where, for what ever reason, they just lag on and on and on?

[Postergeist]

:angry: Where's that doc dump? My patience is wearing thin. I'm gonna need some pork rinds soon.

omg- too funny KittyMom! your sig line, :laugh: (yep, as tourists we were warned what was taboo/poor taste to say over there in the UK) :ohmy:

I can be a bit more patient than that- since I don't do pork rinds, or grits (unless they are the low country cheesy grits my SIL makes) - I could handle some Lenny interviews tho, to tide me over.

[ish]

Bolding mine.

I sure as heck hope it's televised. I hope the actual date is announced in time for me to ask for vacation time. I'd sure hate to ask for time off, just to find the date has changed!!! Trouble is, I don't know how long the trial will last, and if I can ask for that amount of time off. I might have to concoct some kind of personal leave for that period of time!!!

I know, in CA, trials there can be drug out for months and months, @ least the high profile cases (which could be a part of the state's financial distress, IMO) but hows about in FL? Do they just get to the nitty gritty, hold court all day every day and get it over with? Or, are there cases where, for what ever reason, they just lag on and on and on?

Luckily I can watch streaming video at work,(have a fab boss!!!) but for Cindy I want to watch at home. I'm afraid at work I'd have to have a rag stuffed in my mouth to keep from screaming at her and her antics, even the best boss would not approve of that.:thumbsup:

[Barbara fl.]

(snipped by me - hey barb!)

i've seen bits of two trials where i KNEW the defendant was guilty - absolutely KNEW it, but i felt the state failed to prove their case and the jury apparently agreed with me and found the person not guilty. yes, sometimes i can be that way. i was by no means happy about it, but it kinda made me feel glad that we live here in the good ol' united states instead of somewhere else where IUPG is GUPI.




I so agree that it is better to live in the USA where we have the right to fight for our innocense, but it is also scary that a fast talking lawyer can get an obvious guilty person off...it becomes somewhat of a game....

I remember the Westerfield case...I just knew he was not guilty, all the way to the end of the trial...I was wrecked when the jury came back guilty.....THEN, right AFTER the guilty verdict, it was announced that Westerfield had previously made a deal with LE to tell where the body was, but just before the deal went thru, the body was found and all deals were off....My point is, if I had been on the jury and listening to his lawyer fight for him, I might have been part of setting a man free that had done such a horrible act...and his lawyer HAD to know that his client was guilty because he was part of the deal that didn't go thru...and to top it off, this was not allowed to be presented to the jury....I am just grateful that he was found guilty...but with no help from his attorney thats for sure,,,,

[Dtviewer3]

Everything you wrote makes so much sense...too many times we blame the attornies for defending these creeps...when they have a job to do...

I remember one time that F Lee Bailey was on a talk show, and he was asked the very same question...What do you do when you know that your client is guilty of a horrible crime....and his response was, that a good attorney can defend a rapist and a murder and deliberately lose a case and it would never be detected as to him not defending the client with all he had....He said that the attorney's no more want to see these murderers and rapists on the street then does the public...

Buuuuuut, when I have seen some of these lawyers defending the obviously guilty and win, it takes away from the respect of those type of lawyers...some of them really don't care who they get off...as long as they make a name for themselves.....

I think there is a big difference between holding the Prosecution accountable for their claims and attempting to get a client 'off' by using smoke & mirrors.

I have no problem with a defense attorney making sure the State proves their case.
I have a big problem with a defense attorney who's only goal is to get their client off at any cost.

[Postergeist]

Luckily I can watch streaming video at work,(have a fab boss!!!) but for Cindy I want to watch at home. I'm afraid at work I'd have to have a rag stuffed in my mouth to keep from screaming at her and her antics, even the best boss would not approve of that.:thumbsup:

wow, that is a fab boss! Lucky you ish. :thumbup:

Part of me thinks that the A's will all come up with the same malady if need be, where they won't be able to use their vocal cords to testify verbally- so they won't have to take the stand. FMO might say they may still try to do their knocks and clicks tho. hehe

[sydney]

wow, that is a fab boss! Lucky you ish. :thumbup:

Part of me thinks that the A's will all come up with the same malady if need be, where they won't be able to use their vocal cords to testify verbally- so they won't have to take the stand. FMO might say they may still try to do their knocks and clicks tho. hehe

do you think gags would be too obvious? or would surgical removal of vocal chords be better?

[Postergeist]

I think there is a big difference between holding the Prosecution accountable for their claims and attempting to get a client 'off' by using smoke & mirrors.

I have no problem with a defense attorney making sure the State proves their case.
I have a big problem with a defense attorney who's only goal is to get their client off at any cost.

Good point- I have a problem with defense attorneys that vilify the deceased, making outlandish claims with zero proof to back up their ugly remarks, berating the bereaved family, etc. Luckily, IRL as a juror, the attorneys representing the defendant did none of that. If they had, I probably would've had to have willed myself to do some projectile barf their way and hope I had good aim.

imo

[cassidy]

Katprint, what about messages on Baez laptop. Couldn't he simply let Casey read letters from her family and even respond during their visits with him doing the typing ?
Would that be illegal also?

I'm not KatPrint, but IIRC from the last time we discussed this, yes it is illegal. The problem with this and with smuggling in unauthorized letters is that it's very very difficult to prove that is what is happened. Baez's briefcase and laptop cannot be searched because of attorney/client privelege. As long as HE denies he is doing it and HE leaves no evidence (smuggled letters) with Casey he stand a fairly high chance of never getting caught. The law is on the books but it's almost impossible to uphold it. As an attorney it's his obligation to uphold the law but we all know there are attorney's who don't care about that.

JMO

[Postergeist]

do you think gags would be too obvious? or would surgical removal of vocal chords be better?

lol, who knows to what eXtreme they'd go to- but I could easily picture them inventing some crazy medical condition, they do seem to have some freaky similar nose structures to turn decomp into pizza odor, magically of course.

[sydney]

lol, who knows to what eXtreme they'd go to- but I could easily picture them inventing some crazy medical condition, they do seem to have some freaky similar nose structures to turn decomp into pizza odor, magically of course.

yeah, they already all suffer from a form of "anthonesia", don't they?

[ish]

Thanks Julie for the links and to others that have posted as well.

I am surprised it has taken this long- heck, I've never had a loved one in jail, but yet I knew enough that the rule is correspondence is screened and that it has to go thru the jail mail system, fgs.

I don't know if it's because the A's are so cheap that they didn't want to spend the money on stamps

or

if what they had been writing they never wanted the jail admins to see because it was so incriminating of themselves or of Casey.

It also shows what a lousy attorney BC is for his clients, because he should've said right away last year that all letters have to be mailed due to the policy of the OC jail and that giving letters to Baez could have serious repercussions.

Maybe Cindy is hoping to publish a book Letters from My Daughter - inside her mind from behind bars of the OC Jail- wonder if she'll give Casey a cut of her profits? hehe

here's a refresher for the A's concerning the rules of what can be mailed-

http://www.orangecountyfl.net/cms/BUSINESS/jail/InmateMail.htm

<snip>

Do not send cash or personal checks.
Do not send stamps, envelopes, paper, pens, pencils, inappropriate pictures or polaroids, plastic cards, phone cards, stickers, lipstick marks on envelopes, or glued items.
No unnecessary writing or drawings are allowed on envelopes.



I think the reason G & C "let" Jose ferry the letters to Casey is because they thought it was special treatment and they believe they as "Anthonys" deserve special treatment. Also, they believe wholeheartedly that LE is trying to frame Casey and thatLE would read the letters and use the information contained in them to help do that. IMO G&C thought they were getting one over on LE with their private pony express. Instead, their little pony pulled a fast one by 86ing their letters. Even if Brad Conway advised against this, their ego and sense of self importance would have overidden any common sense his advice had.:rolleyes:

[Sun]

Cindy and George (even Conway) through the media have been making noise of the fact that communication with Casey is something that they desire. (remember way back when they wanted a "private meeting" between just them...to not be made public)

I also remember way back when, Baez indicating that he screened all of Casey's "jail mail" and I guess for him to do that, Casey would have to have provided him permission. It would be Casey's decision. (NAT OR LAPIS, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG ON THIS)

Casey is in control of who she allows for a video visitation. Not Baez. It is her decision.

Having said all of this, I do also believe that Baez set out to isolate Casey from everyone on the outside, especially her family. IMO, Cindy and Casey were co-dependent and Baez wanted this broken and transferred to himself. Baez wanted Casey to be dependent on him, and only him. To do this, he may have sneakily allowed only certain communication between them, to forward this goal.

I think that Casey really has no clue about all the coorespondence that Baez has kept from her. I also think that Cindy and George have no clue if Casey even sees any of their coorespondence. And, I think they have felt this way for a long, long, long time. (occasionally they do try to use the media to bring this to Casey's attention).

Why is comes down to, is Casey. She has control. She is exercising that control. She does not want to see Cindy and George. Will that change due to Lyon's influence? Time will tell.

[adair]

Morning sydney ! Because she knows she can get them to do anything she wants in order to get the killer off? She MUST know how bad it looks that this family hasn't visited their daughter since October. It shows the public they know she's guilty and don't want to give the DA anything else to convict her.

They say their conversations will be "mishconstrued". Balderdash !

From her own site:

I don't claim to speak with any great moral authority, but I think I know right from wrong.

http://www.andrealyon.com/linked/adlchicagolawyer.pdf

So she can leave an innocent man sit in prison for 26 years but has no problem trying to get a child-murderer off scott free?

I can't say she knows right from wrong at all.


I could not have said it better!!! I hope that the fact that she let an innocent man set in prison for 23 years (in inconceivable)......I hope that information comes into light as her book is released. Yeah thats good......she's a fighter for freedom alright. This makes me want to vomit. jmo

[desmom]

I think the reason G & C "let" Jose ferry the letters to Casey is because they thought it was special treatment and they believe they as "Anthonys" deserve special treatment. Also, they believe wholeheartedly that LE is trying to frame Casey and thatLE would read the letters and use the information contained in them to help do that. IMO G&C thought they were getting one over on LE with their private pony express. Instead, their little pony pulled a fast one by 86ing their letters. Even if Brad Conway advised against this, their ego and sense of self importance would have overidden any common sense his advice had.:rolleyes:

IMO, you nailed it! :beer:

[ish]

Good point- I have a problem with defense attorneys that vilify the deceased, making outlandish claims with zero proof to back up their ugly remarks, berating the bereaved family, etc. Luckily, IRL as a juror, the attorneys representing the defendant did none of that. If they had, I probably would've had to have willed myself to do some projectile barf their way and hope I had good aim.

imo

my bold

Yes, and when asked why, "I'm just testing the evidence against my client" "After all. it is possible that his blind, deaf and quadriplegic brother committed this heinous murder instead of my client"

[Postergeist]

yeah, they already all suffer from a form of "anthonesia", don't they?

:laugh: indeed syd!

maybe they need to have their house checked for radon or carbon monoxide- maybe a full blood panel should be done?

[desmom]

--snipped--

Having said all of this, I do also believe that Baez set out to isolate Casey from everyone on the outside, especially her family. IMO, Cindy and Casey were co-dependent and Baez wanted this broken and transferred to himself. Baez wanted Casey to be dependent on him, and only him. To do this, he may have sneakily allowed only certain communication between them, to forward this goal.

I think that Casey really has no clue about all the coorespondence that Baez has kept from her. I also think that Cindy and George have no clue if Casey even sees any of their coorespondence. And, I think they have felt this way for a long, long, long time. (occasionally they do try to use the media to bring this to Casey's attention).

Why is comes down to, is Casey. She has control. She is exercising that control. She does not want to see Cindy and George. Will that change due to Lyon's influence? Time will tell.

bolding mine....It made a what if go off in my head ... What if Tone wrote Casey a letter, would JB have screened it or withheld it? How upset would Casey be if she discovered Tone wrote her letter and JB tossed it?

:sneaky:

[sydney]

Why is comes down to, is Casey. She has control. She is exercising that control. She does not want to see Cindy and George. Will that change due to Lyon's influence? Time will tell.

(snipped - hey sun!)

do you spose that's what george meant when he said she is the "ceo" and "in charge"? i wonder if he regrets his choice of words......

[Postergeist]

IMO, you nailed it! :beer:

ditto!

:thumbup:

(thanks to ish- I know am hearing Ginuwine's song "...ride it, my pony")

[sydney]

:laugh: indeed syd!

maybe they need to have their house checked for radon or carbon monoxide- maybe a full blood panel should be done?

cindy, being a nurse and all, should recognize the effects of radon, carbon monoxide and should be able to draw blood herself, right? omg! you've got the perfect "out" for their behaviour! they were suffering from the effects of "toxic" substances found in their own home! sad thing is, caylee suffered the most from the "toxic" substances.

[Postergeist]

my bold

Yes, and when asked why, "I'm just testing the evidence against my client" "After all. it is possible that his blind, deaf and quadriplegic brother committed this heinous murder instead of my client"

*thud* wait, actually, didn't that happen, a Monk episode, Criminal Minds...ah shoot, something.

[Postergeist]

Why is comes down to, is Casey. She has control. She is exercising that control. She does not want to see Cindy and George. Will that change due to Lyon's influence? Time will tell.

<snipped>

sure Sun, after all, George told her from the earliest of jail visits that it was she who was the boss, she was the CEO, everyone worked for her- she bought it, great job there George!

(and I agree, Casey hasn't wanted to see her parents for a very long time, even before her daughter's remains were found, imo)

[Sun]

Originally Posted by ish
I think the reason G & C "let" Jose ferry the letters to Casey is because they thought it was special treatment and they believe they as "Anthonys" deserve special treatment. Also, they believe wholeheartedly that LE is trying to frame Casey and thatLE would read the letters and use the information contained in them to help do that. IMO G&C thought they were getting one over on LE with their private pony express. Instead, their little pony pulled a fast one by 86ing their letters. Even if Brad Conway advised against this, their ego and sense of self importance would have overidden any common sense his advice had.
ditto :beer:

[Postergeist]

cindy, being a nurse and all, should recognize the effects of radon, carbon monoxide and should be able to draw blood herself, right? omg! you've got the perfect "out" for their behaviour! they were suffering from the effects of "toxic" substances found in their own home! sad thing is, caylee suffered the most from the "toxic" substances.

lol- I was channeling your thoughts with our similar posts to Sun. :biggrin:

Yes, as you said sydney, Cindy being a nurse- and didn't she also claim on tape to have dispensed medicine to Tim without knowing his medical history? <insert Judas Priest's "Breaking the Law" song here>

Yes, those Anthonys, just another excuse to pull out of their er...hat.

[Sun]

(snipped - hey sun!)

do you spose that's what george meant when he said she is the "ceo" and "in charge"? i wonder if he regrets his choice of words......

Seems to me that George is now "whining" because he doesn't like the "ceo's" decision.

[sydney]

i'm still stickin' to my guns here and saying kc doesn't want to see the 'rents because they can't get her out of this mess. she is pizzed that they can't intercede on her behalf and explain away all of her lies and misdeeds and actions in connection with the murder of caylee. seems to me she withheld caylee from them in order to punish them - and i'm not talking about the 31 day thing, either. i think she did it before. so, she is withholding her presence from the a's to punish them.

seems the a's have come up with excuses for kc's failings all of kc's life. "take no responsibility - it's always someone else's fault" - seems to be the family motto.

[Barbara fl.]

I think there is a big difference between holding the Prosecution accountable for their claims and attempting to get a client 'off' by using smoke & mirrors.

I have no problem with a defense attorney making sure the State proves their case.
I have a big problem with a defense attorney who's only goal is to get their client off at any cost.


I agree totally....which is what it say's at the bottom of my post...these lawyers go to such extreme to get such an obviously giulty person off....What ever happened to the days (if they ever existed) that the courts were to be used to find out if a person was truly guilty or not....It now seems that it depends on who has the smarter attorney.....(that to me, is not justice)...

[sydney]

lol- I was channeling your thoughts with our similar posts to Sun. :biggrin:

Yes, as you said sydney, Cindy being a nurse- and didn't she also claim on tape to have dispensed medicine to Tim without knowing his medical history? <insert Judas Priest's "Breaking the Law" song here>

Yes, those Anthonys, just another excuse to pull out of their er...hat.

great minds!

"dispensing medicine" could mean giving the poor guy tylenol or advil or something. always aggrandizing simple actions - that's the a's. everything they do has to be so superior to what other "common" folks do.

[Postergeist]

i'm still stickin' to my guns here and saying kc doesn't want to see the 'rents because they can't get her out of this mess. she is pizzed that they can't intercede on her behalf and explain away all of her lies and misdeeds and actions in connection with the murder of caylee. seems to me she withheld caylee from them in order to punish them - and i'm not talking about the 31 day thing, either. i think she did it before. so, she is withholding her presence from the a's to punish them.

seems the a's have come up with excuses for kc's failings all of kc's life. "take no responsibility - it's always someone else's fault" - seems to be the family motto.

you're a regular 'Pistol packin' mama' syd! :wink:

I agree with ya on that-

what a sad, pitiful, sorry family motto, eh


gotta go have lunch, c'yall later

[Sun]

Do you think Baez has Casey thinking she's in complete control. But in reality Baez is really calling ALL the shots.
In addition, I'm not too sure if it really is Casey who does not want to see George and Cindy. I think it's Baez who does not want her to see them and he has her believing (from what he says to her) it's her Idea and that's whats best for her.
Who knows what Baez has been telling Casey.
-snip-
Just my opinion

It's quite likely that Baez has been able to use questionable techiques to keep "control" of every decision that Casey makes. I think that this was his intentions from the very beginning. JMO, an ethical attorney, he is not!

[sydney]

I agree totally....which is what it say's at the bottom of my post...these lawyers go to such extreme to get such an obviously giulty person off....What ever happened to the days (if they ever existed) that the courts were to be used to find out if a person was truly guilty or not....It now seems that it depends on who has the smarter attorney.....(that to me, is not justice)...

i DO have a problem with an attorney who tries to insult everyone's intelligence by using smoke and mirrors, as well. some of them seem to treat lay people like idiots because they don't have law or science degrees. and we know a few of those, don't we. THOSE attorneys are the ones who give defense attorneys a bad name.

[ruth66]

<snipped>

sure Sun, after all, George told her from the earliest of jail visits that it was she who was the boss, she was the CEO, everyone worked for her- she bought it, great job there George!

(and I agree, Casey hasn't wanted to see her parents for a very long time, even before her daughter's remains were found, imo)

Just going to pipe in here real quick....
What I find interesting is that this conversation needed to take place at all. Why was it so important to let Casey know that she was "in control"? She knew what happened to Caylee, she knew where she left her, she knew that what she was telling the police was all lies. Why the need to tell her she was in control? Or was it a way of saying that they would all do anything, absolutely anything to help Casey get out of her mess? They all know who was controlling whom in that family and as much as we all see Cindy as the controller now, I don't think she was in control prior to Caylee's death. I think Casey had the upperhand back then and that is why CA & GA did not save Caylee from her very own mother. All of this is JMO of course......:smile:

[Barbara fl.]

That may well have been true of F Lee Bailey, and even many, many more. But, in this day and age, the actions and statements of many defense attorneys (especially those of high profile cases) it does seem as tho their whole point is to get their client off, guilty or not. Perhaps it is BECAUSE it is a high profile case, and they think their careers would be better served if they "won" their case, not just getting the lowest sentence possible for their client.


I wonder where all the Perry Mason's went.....from what I remember about his cases, he wouldn't represent someone that was guilty....he believed solely on getting the innocent off....which i'm sure no one would object to...

But when you see these attorney's going to such lengths to get their client off when it is so obvious that they are guilty....it gives the appearance that they are selling their soals for money....I wonder how they can sleep at night....? I always liked the law, but the furthest I got was to become a notary in the state of NY...but I do not think that I would be able to sleep at night if I knew that I made it possible for a child killer or a rapist to go out and do it again....

[*Serenity*]

Cindy and George (even Conway) through the media have been making noise of the fact that communication with Casey is something that they desire. (remember way back when they wanted a "private meeting" between just them...to not be made public)

I also remember way back when, Baez indicating that he screened all of Casey's "jail mail" and I guess for him to do that, Casey would have to have provided him permission. It would be Casey's decision. (NAT OR LAPIS, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG ON THIS)

Casey is in control of who she allows for a video visitation. Not Baez. It is her decision.

Having said all of this, I do also believe that Baez set out to isolate Casey from everyone on the outside, especially her family. IMO, Cindy and Casey were co-dependent and Baez wanted this broken and transferred to himself. Baez wanted Casey to be dependent on him, and only him. To do this, he may have sneakily allowed only certain communication between them, to forward this goal.

I think that Casey really has no clue about all the coorespondence that Baez has kept from her. I also think that Cindy and George have no clue if Casey even sees any of their coorespondence. And, I think they have felt this way for a long, long, long time. (occasionally they do try to use the media to bring this to Casey's attention).

Why is comes down to, is Casey. She has control. She is exercising that control. She does not want to see Cindy and George. Will that change due to Lyon's influence? Time will tell.


Casey has the luxury of NOT facing any of them since Caylee was found and all the evidence that she left behind. I don't think Casey
wants to face her family -- there is really nothing for them to talk
about. UNLESS of course AL is going to coach her how to talk
about her innocence and how devasted she is over that little girl.
The defense needs some video of a different Casey verses the one
we have already watched.

[adair]

lol- I was channeling your thoughts with our similar posts to Sun. :biggrin:

Yes, as you said sydney, Cindy being a nurse- and didn't she also claim on tape to have dispensed medicine to Tim without knowing his medical history? <insert Judas Priest's "Breaking the Law" song here>

Yes, those Anthonys, just another excuse to pull out of their er...hat.


She did and she admitted it on a message that she left for Tim Miller.

.....I did not know she was a Dr.....

[Barbara fl.]

i DO have a problem with an attorney who tries to insult everyone's intelligence by using smoke and mirrors, as well. some of them seem to treat lay people like idiots because they don't have law or science degrees. and we know a few of those, don't we. THOSE attorneys are the ones who give defense attorneys a bad name.


And that is what this whole case is going to be acted out as...LKB and the rest of the team are going to depend on the juror's intellegence, they are going to throw things at them in a form of intimadation, they willl try and make the juror's feel stupid if they don't rely on their science and not on the "junk science" that they will call it....Their whole case is going to be around finding the weakest link of the juror's...

I just don't see this as being justice....because the people that can not afford a good attorney go to jail and the ones that can, get off because their attorney used unethical tactics...Which is why we have so many innocent people behind bars and so many guilty ones walking free....it really makes one lose respect for our system....

[KittyMom]

Seems to me that George is now "whining" because he doesn't like the "ceo's" decision.

The goof should'd thought of that before putting her in charge. A lifetime of pandering to Mz Casey should've taught him that. Silly Goerge.

[Barbara fl.]

Casey has the luxury of NOT facing any of them since Caylee was found and all the evidence that she left behind. I don't think Casey
wants to face her family -- there is really nothing for them to talk
about. UNLESS of course AL is going to coach her how to talk
about her innocence and how devasted she is over that little girl.
The defense needs some video of a different Casey verses the one
we have already watched.


I really do not think Casey is able to put on that kind of show...she is too cold...I doubt that she could even pretend that Caylee is a big loss in her life....the juror's might just start to laugh...The 31 days shows different....and it would have never been reported if it were up to Casey....

[ruth66]

Casey has the luxury of NOT facing any of them since Caylee was found and all the evidence that she left behind. I don't think Casey
wants to face her family -- there is really nothing for them to talk
about. UNLESS of course AL is going to coach her how to talk
about her innocence and how devasted she is over that little girl.
The defense needs some video of a different Casey verses the one
we have already watched.

Bolding Mine
ITA. I also believe Casey is not as supportive of the new line of work that CA & GA are into. The narcissist in her is angry that she is sitting behind bars on an "***ing whim" and her parents seem to be making lemonade out of her lemons. All the benefits of her bad deeds (as disgusting as it is) seem to be paying off bills for her parents and affording them quite the lifestyle. That can only be making her more angry every day. Reminds me of a line from the sitcom "Still Standing": Putting crazy gasoline on stupid fire.

JMO

[adair]

So any idea of how they are gonna throw c+/-g under the bus? Say that they helped get rid of her body? Say that they killed caylee? That they are framing kc? Any ideas of how that is gonna spin?

[Barbara fl.]

bolding mine....It made a what if go off in my head ... What if Tone wrote Casey a letter, would JB have screened it or withheld it? How upset would Casey be if she discovered Tone wrote her letter and JB tossed it?

:sneaky:


But Baez is not allowed to bring mail to Casey, all mail is to be screened by the prison/jail before a prisoner can read it...I do believe that if Baez is caught doing that, he can be in a little trouble....He may be able to relay a message to her without the guards hearing him, but to actually hand her something is against the rules....(I think, anyway)

[Amy]

Do you think Baez has Casey thinking she's in complete control. But in reality Baez is really calling ALL the shots.
In addition, I'm not too sure if it really is Casey who does not want to see George and Cindy. I think it's Baez who does not want her to see them and he has her believing (from what he says to her) it's her Idea and that's whats best for her.
Who knows what Baez has been telling Casey.

I do think AL will never have the control over Casey that Baez has. I think that Casey gets along much better with men in her life.
What do you think.
Casey will talk to Baez about AL and ask him what he thinks. At best Baez will remind Casey that AL is only there to get the DP off the table. Baez will make it perfectly clear that Baez is the man!
Just my opinion

In the one video, where Casey talks about who she wants a one-on-one with (George, cuz Cindy and Lee just keep asking the same questions over and over and over) Casey does make a statement about Jose not wanting her to have jail visits. That particular visit seemed to have taken place during a time Jose was away on business, and because he wasn't in town was the reason they were able to visit that day.

About the same time, there were news articles about the visit George was supposed to have w/Casey. It seems that George got as far as the jail, but then was told there would be no visit. IRRC, I think Jose had returned to Orlando, talked w/Casey, and the outcome was that there would be no visit from George. It would seem to me that Baez was in some way able to convince Casey that this visit would not be in her best interests. Possibly because, like the other visits, it was taped? Maybe Casey really wasn't aware they were being taped--I remember her looking around furtively, as tho looking to see if anyone was close enough to overhear her side of the conversation, some times even lowering her voice as in an attempt to make sure no one overheard?

So, it is quite possible that Casey herself agrees there should be no visits--she is probably quite aware that Cindy esp and George would not limit their conversations to how's the weather and we miss Caylee and we miss you. No, they (@ least Cindy, IMO) would want to be discussing strategy and try to find anyone else to throw under the bus, just like in the tape we saw over and over and over.

The fact that they are taped might also be a reason that the A's haven't bellyached about not visiting her as much as one would think they would have--given their propensity to belly ache, that is. They have mentioned that they don't want their visits to be played to a world-wide audience. And, especially if they would say anything that might bolster the DA's case, I can see why they would agree to no visitation.

[Dells]

Oh, but remember, Jose says that Casey HAS told him the truth, and that when all this comes out in trial, we will understand what went down, and why Casey acted as she did, and will KNOW she is innocent. Just like other cases, it sure seems to me that, if there is evidence and proof of someone's innocence, why would her lawyer let her lanquish in jail for even one minute, let alone months or years (while the defense delays, delays, delays) instead of getting that information, proof, evidence to the prosecutors so they could be on the case of the real killer? Or, if the lawyer feels they would have to present this evidence/proof to a judge and jury, why not demand on a speedy trial so his innocent client can get out of jail NOW, instead of in a year or so?

Great post!:thumbup: I so agree w/you.

The simple answer is that their client is guilty and they are just blowing hot air and trying w/smoke and mirrors to create the illusion of reasonable doubt. JB is trying this case in the media in the hopes that when this case finally goes to trial he will have reached some potential jurors that could lead to a hung jury. That really is the defense's only hope.

[Barbara fl.]

So any idea of how they are gonna throw c+/-g under the bus? Say that they helped get rid of her body? Say that they killed caylee? That they are framing kc? Any ideas of how that is gonna spin?


I personally think that they will try and sway the blame to Jesse or Amy, saying that it could have been either one....Jesse wanting to hurt Casey because he was hurt that he wasn't Caylee's father after she had blamed him...and Amy because she had stole from her...

I really doubt that they will go the route of Cindy and George, even though neither one is liked for trying to cover up for their daughter, but I doubt that the jury would buy that scenerio, and that would only make their client look worse for try to blame her parents....jmo

[Amy]

lol- I was channeling your thoughts with our similar posts to Sun. :biggrin:

Yes, as you said sydney, Cindy being a nurse- and didn't she also claim on tape to have dispensed medicine to Tim without knowing his medical history? <insert Judas Priest's "Breaking the Law" song here>

Yes, those Anthonys, just another excuse to pull out of their er...hat.

I'm wondering how long it takes for Cindy to read thru the message boards, and how long after reading the radon etc thing that she will act on that? A day? Two days? A couple of minutes? Too bad that the message boards give them ideas about the defense. It sure didn't change their ideas about how to act, tho. Well, maybe, but too little, too late. Besides, was the change in behaviour due to reading negative comments on message boards (probably not, they just made Cindy mad, and she acted out more) or was it from one of the lawyers finally getting it thru their thick heads that their behaviours were in no way helping Casey. Or themselves.

[bchand]

Bolding Mine
ITA. I also believe Casey is not as supportive of the new line of work that CA & GA are into. The narcissist in her is angry that she is sitting behind bars on an "***ing whim" and her parents seem to be making lemonade out of her lemons. All the benefits of her bad deeds (as disgusting as it is) seem to be paying off bills for her parents and affording them quite the lifestyle. That can only be making her more angry every day. Reminds me of a line from the sitcom "Still Standing": Putting crazy gasoline on stupid fire.

JMO

Great post ruth. I think the same way about Casey's view of her parents and their new lifestyle. It really really has to get to her.

(I hope Cindy's tan lines around her neck don't show if she gets to visit her. Casey will throw a fit.)

[Sun]

Casey has the luxury of NOT facing any of them since Caylee was found and all the evidence that she left behind. I don't think Casey
wants to face her family -- there is really nothing for them to talk
about. UNLESS of course AL is going to coach her how to talk
about her innocence and how devasted she is over that little girl.
The defense needs some video of a different Casey verses the one
we have already watched.

At times I have wondered why video jail visitations were not used to try to scrape up just a little sympathy for Casey. Then I think about the characters, Cindy, George, Lee, and Casey. IMO, they could never pull it off. Not in their wildest dreams.

IMO, the defense wants the focus off their client, and onto anyone and everyone else.

[bchand]

bolding mine....It made a what if go off in my head ... What if Tone wrote Casey a letter, would JB have screened it or withheld it? How upset would Casey be if she discovered Tone wrote her letter and JB tossed it?

:sneaky:

I guess that would depend on whether Tone's letter was Pro Casey or not. lol

[Amy]

i DO have a problem with an attorney who tries to insult everyone's intelligence by using smoke and mirrors, as well. some of them seem to treat lay people like idiots because they don't have law or science degrees. and we know a few of those, don't we. THOSE attorneys are the ones who give defense attorneys a bad name.

Exactly. I can't remember the statements off the top of my hat, but there were statements made by Jose that were so off the wall. Made him seem like HE had no idea of the laws of the state of FL or even of the US. Things a 3rd grader could pick up as being all wrong. Every time he made one of those statements, I had to wonder exactly WHAT law school he went to, and if any professor or other lawyer from that school hear those and say "WTF?"

[sydney]

It seems that George got as far as the jail, but then was told there would be no visit.

(snipped by me - hi amy!)

hmmm - kinda like she did to cindy when cindy went to universal to pick up caylee, huh?

[Barbara fl.]

It is way too late if you think about it. The State has all kinds of video of Casey out and about shopping and partying and having herself a good time within the 31 days Caylee was missing, gone, dead. Take your pick because all three of these would make a mother devastated.

After the State gets done with what they have and what they will share with the jury, Casey would be looked at like she's only feeling sorry for her selfish wicked self.
JMO


Yes....it would be a big mistake to try and portray her as anything other then what she is.....

I bet they are going to say that Casey was not concerned about Caylee because she thought Caylee was in good hands (that can be the only excuse)...but that will be torn down when they show the jail house video of Casey telling Cindy that she couldn't say whether Casey would or would not be harmed...so she wont be able to have it both ways....

There will be absolutely no reason that a mother would not report her child missing...none at all....What was she going to do, let this phony nanny keep her for the rest of her life? Nothing is going to make a bit of sense....

[Barbara fl.]

Great post ruth. I think the same way about Casey's view of her parents and their new lifestyle. It really really has to get to her.

(I hope Cindy's tan lines around her neck don't show if she gets to visit her. Casey will throw a fit.)

For sure....:laugh:...she was upset to hear that her parents had a dinner at their home and Cindy made chili....

[Amy]

I wonder where all the Perry Mason's went.....from what I remember about his cases, he wouldn't represent someone that was guilty....he believed solely on getting the innocent off....which i'm sure no one would object to...

But when you see these attorney's going to such lengths to get their client off when it is so obvious that they are guilty....it gives the appearance that they are selling their soals for money....I wonder how they can sleep at night....? I always liked the law, but the furthest I got was to become a notary in the state of NY...but I do not think that I would be able to sleep at night if I knew that I made it possible for a child killer or a rapist to go out and do it again....

I recall @ least one episode, there might have been one or two more, where Perry's client WAS guilty, but Perry didn't figure that out until the last moment. In those episodes, he did the right thing, and did expose his client for being guilty. Of course, that was a rarity, cuz most of his clients were proven innocent.

[sydney]

There will be absolutely no reason that a mother would not report her child missing...none at all....What was she going to do, let this phony nanny keep her for the rest of her life? Nothing is going to make a bit of sense....

(snipped)

i hope they get a jury full of mothers and grandmothers!

[Barbara fl.]

(snipped)

i hope they get a jury full of mothers and grandmothers!


That would be great...but asking for too much....

How does it work with jury picking? do both sides have to agree? or is it up to the defense?

Because I do believe that LKB picks her juror's very carefully and she has been around enough of them to know just how to pick the ones that she will feel comfortable with (the not too intellegent ones) the ones that seem like they will buy her BS...jmo

[Amy]

Bolding Mine
ITA. I also believe Casey is not as supportive of the new line of work that CA & GA are into. The narcissist in her is angry that she is sitting behind bars on an "***ing whim" and her parents seem to be making lemonade out of her lemons. All the benefits of her bad deeds (as disgusting as it is) seem to be paying off bills for her parents and affording them quite the lifestyle. That can only be making her more angry every day. Reminds me of a line from the sitcom "Still Standing": Putting crazy gasoline on stupid fire.

JMO

Which makes me wonder. Is Casey po'd that the A's set up a foundation for missing children (altho their granddaughter was never missing) and naming it the Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation as opposed to their setting up a foundation for wrongly accused people and naming it the Casey Marie Anthony Foundation? Bet that pizzes her off to no end. After all she went thru, first people were looking for Caylee instead of worrying about poor little Casey pining away in jail, then a foundation is set up that brings attention to Caylee again, and poor Casey is left pining in jail.

"Quit talking about CAYLEE!!!! Don't set up a foundation that gives Caylee attention and not me!!!! ME!!! ME!!! ME!!!! Looky over here, where is the attention I want and need? And not that stuff that makes me look stupid and guilty, either."

[sydney]

if i had a nanny who was also a close, personal friend and they took my child saying "i'm going to teach you a lesson and return her in 55 days", there is NO WAY i would feel my child was in "good hands".

that statement, to me, was ominous - o, i know it was make believe, but it sounded like my child would be dead when they were returned. the phrase was not "i'll return her in good condition", NO. "teach you a lesson" and "return her in 55 days" together would imply to me that my child would be seriously injured, if not dead. not only that, it would be over my dead body that ANYONE would take my child from me - close friend or not.

so, if kc tries "caylee was in good hands, so i didn't worry about the 31 day" thing, no one is going to buy it. especially when she comes out with the above statement (as well as the "dropped her off at sawgrass" stuff).

ugh.

[Amy]

But Baez is not allowed to bring mail to Casey, all mail is to be screened by the prison/jail before a prisoner can read it...I do believe that if Baez is caught doing that, he can be in a little trouble....He may be able to relay a message to her without the guards hearing him, but to actually hand her something is against the rules....(I think, anyway)

But it has been posted that his briefcase and laptop cannot be searched as that would be a violation of the attorney/client privilege. So, he could have letters from the A's, hand them to Casey as tho they were some legal paper he was having her read, then replace them in his briefcase and walk them right back out. As long as they are returned to the briefcase, there is nothing the jail could do. IMO

[adair]

Yes....it would be a big mistake to try and portray her as anything other then what she is.....

I bet they are going to say that Casey was not concerned about Caylee because she thought Caylee was in good hands (that can be the only excuse)...but that will be torn down when they show the jail house video of Casey telling Cindy that she couldn't say whether Casey would or would not be harmed...so she wont be able to have it both ways....

There will be absolutely no reason that a mother would not report her child missing...none at all....What was she going to do, let this phony nanny keep her for the rest of her life? Nothing is going to make a bit of sense....

It might have held this much "." of a chance, that is until kc body was found. That is why imo, it was so important that, very important that caylee's body not be found. As long as there was a slim chance, with reports coming in from varying states ... that she could be alive, i believe the defense had a small, very small chance. The defense could have said LE didnt follow up on it etc. Then as Karma will have it, here is le being taken, what 3 times to where her body was eventually found.......jmo

[Barbara fl.]

Which makes me wonder. Is Casey po'd that the A's set up a foundation for missing children (altho their granddaughter was never missing) and naming it the Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation as opposed to their setting up a foundation for wrongly accused people and naming it the Casey Marie Anthony Foundation? Bet that pizzes her off to no end. After all she went thru, first people were looking for Caylee instead of worrying about poor little Casey pining away in jail, then a foundation is set up that brings attention to Caylee again, and poor Casey is left pining in jail.

"Quit talking about CAYLEE!!!! Don't set up a foundation that gives Caylee attention and not me!!!! ME!!! ME!!! ME!!!! Looky over here, where is the attention I want and need? And not that stuff that makes me look stupid and guilty, either."


When Cindy told Casey that 240,000 dollars was in a fund to help find Caylee, Casey's response was "that's half my bond money"...Casey was already looking to use that money for herself.....It has got to be killing her that her parents are making money off of her crime....

And I find it disgusting that the Anthony's are doing this foundation in Caylee's name....Caylee was never missing, she was murdered by her mother....If anything, the foundation should be called "Foundation to prevent children from being murdered by their parents"...(that would be more fitting)

[Barbara fl.]

It might have held this much "." of a chance, that is until kc body was found. That is why imo, it was so important that, very important that caylee's body not be found. As long as there was a slim chance, with reports coming in from varying states ... that she could be alive, i believe the defense had a small, very small chance. The defense could have said LE didnt follow up on it etc. Then as Karma will have it, here is le being taken, what 3 times to where her body was eventually found.......jmo

Oh. for sure....The Anthony's worked very hard on trying to prevent Caylee's remains from being found..(that was the big thing with Tim Miller and Cindy)...The Anthony's knew that as long as a body wasn't found the state would not have a case..... do believe that all those sightings were staged.....

They took pictures of little girls from a distance and tried to say it could be Caylee....let's be real, if anyone was that certain that the child that there was such a manhunt out for, would not get a closer picture of this child and call security right away? Why would anyone leave that spot with just a profile picture of a little girl and then insist that it was Caylee......Nothing at all makes sense in this case, and the Anthony's are just making fools of themselves.....Casey is going , for sure....

[Amy]

Great post!:thumbup: I so agree w/you.

The simple answer is that their client is guilty and they are just blowing hot air and trying w/smoke and mirrors to create the illusion of reasonable doubt. JB is trying this case in the media in the hopes that when this case finally goes to trial he will have reached some potential jurors that could lead to a hung jury. That really is the defense's only hope.

That is another thing that makes Baez look like a Bozo. Getting in front of the cameras @ every opportunity, making ludicrous statements, being on national talk shows, all the while complaining that the prosecution is trying this case in the media. The prosecution that rarely makes any statement, most of what we hear from them is from watching the motion hearings. Which is where we see the difference between professionalism and whackism, actually. But, for him to tell the world the prosecution is to blame for the constant press coverage is, again, thinking that people are stupid and can't get 2+2 to equal 4, and no one is paying attention who is in front of the cameras on a daily basis (well, was anyway.) The daily basis thing has wound down quite a bit especially since Michael Jackson has claimed all the air time.

[Barbara fl.]

But it has been posted that his briefcase and laptop cannot be searched as that would be a violation of the attorney/client privilege. So, he could have letters from the A's, hand them to Casey as tho they were some legal paper he was having her read, then replace them in his briefcase and walk them right back out. As long as they are returned to the briefcase, there is nothing the jail could do. IMO


Oh, I'm sure it could be done, but I don't think it's allowed....I believe that is what he may have been doing with all the hugs he was giving Casey until the guards stopped him....he was probably slipping her letters....

[really3997]

That would be great...but asking for too much....

How does it work with jury picking? do both sides have to agree? or is it up to the defense?

Because I do believe that LKB picks her juror's very carefully and she has been around enough of them to know just how to pick the ones that she will feel comfortable with (the not too intellegent ones) the ones that seem like they will buy her BS...jmo

I thought they have to be DP qualified so no bafoons will get in. I would love to watch the selection process. Dont they ask if you can form an opinion of the evidence. or if they thought Casey was guilty. I just picture Yes guilty can I go now... JMO

[ish]

Hey Sydney. Yes, I remembered to count, lol.

ITA - Cindy has alienated the public and I can't see her being stopped from in turn doing the very same thing to the jury.

I always wonder if it isn't a passive-aggressive behavoir of hers. That she can't stand Casey but doesn't want to say that so she just goes about her way, praising Casey while completely sabatoging her.

my bold

I have thought this too, from the beginning, just hearing Cindy on that call from jail. "Sweetheart, don't blame me for your being in jail, it's all your fault for telling lies" Just that one sentence told me that Cindy had probably warned Casey for years that her lies would someday get her in trouble and here is Casey calling from jail because she lied. Cindy was thrilled. CIndy wants to look like she is supporting Casey but slams her everytime. Ex. The pants in the car, if she wanted to really help Casey why say anything, LE didn't know about them?

[Barbara fl.]

if i had a nanny who was also a close, personal friend and they took my child saying "i'm going to teach you a lesson and return her in 55 days", there is NO WAY i would feel my child was in "good hands".

that statement, to me, was ominous - o, i know it was make believe, but it sounded like my child would be dead when they were returned. the phrase was not "i'll return her in good condition", NO. "teach you a lesson" and "return her in 55 days" together would imply to me that my child would be seriously injured, if not dead. not only that, it would be over my dead body that ANYONE would take my child from me - close friend or not.

so, if kc tries "caylee was in good hands, so i didn't worry about the 31 day" thing, no one is going to buy it. especially when she comes out with the above statement (as well as the "dropped her off at sawgrass" stuff).

ugh.


I'm with you...there is just no way that it will wash.....But I believe the defense will try to use it, what else do they have for those 31 days? If they try and say she was in shock, and decided to go shopping with someones else's credit card (I doubt that it will go over too well)...

And I, like you, would have given my life if someone (no matter who it was) tried to take my child from me....They would have had to kill me right there and then....

[sydney]

Oh, I'm sure it could be done, but I don't think it's allowed....I believe that is what he may have been doing with all the hugs he was giving Casey until the guards stopped him....he was probably slipping her letters....

or candybars and pork rinds?

[really3997]

or candybars and pork rinds?

I thought it was licorice:rolleyes:

[AnniePie]

Hey ya Fool Me, I was in the middle of writing my post when I hit submit I then saw your post.

Notice that the link shows that magazines and books have to come directly from the publisher or a book store...so that eliminates someone from wanting to mail books to the jail. I do wonder if a person or group wanted to donate books to the jail library- if they could be brought in and then someone has to go thru them to make sure they pass muster.

I'd go bonkers for certain if I didn't have something to read. I find it odd when meeting people that say they don't enjoy reading, or are bored by reading...:sad: I am always buying books- bought some on Mon. and again earlier today.

And in your post- yes, anyone can write to any inmate- doesn't mean they will write back of course, but if it gets approved, it will be passed on to the inmate. Now- I would think there are plenty of troll letter writers as well out there, so likely every jail and prison probably has a record with little check marks for the nutjobs that send crazy letters to inmates.

Casey may be receiving lots of letters during the past year- she just hasn't apparently received any or many from her parents because they were imo stupid to think the best way to get a letter to their daughter was thru her lawyer. :rolleyes:

I believe George is on the jail house video last year telling his daughter that she COULD get a letter to the sheriff, to the detectives, to the family, etc. by just mailing it FROM the jail. Of course, they need to have $ in their account to purchase the stamps.

(had to take one of your smilies so I could post mine)

Hey Postie, I'm with you on the reading thing! I read voraciously. I was watching a movie recently where a woman was in a strait jacket in a padded room, and I thought 'the worst thing about being there would be there'd be nothing to read'!

So it's a given that G&C have been writing to Casey? And do we know if she's been writing back? I'm sorry, I seem to be here all the time but I missed this one.

I wonder what kind of books they have in the prison library, what they would find appropriate. Murder mysteries? Maybe not. :rolleyes: I think it would be a very interesting thing to find out who was checking out which books from the library. It would be a lot more interesting to me to find out what the OC is reading that reading her commissary list.

[Amy]

Oh, I'm sure it could be done, but I don't think it's allowed....I believe that is what he may have been doing with all the hugs he was giving Casey until the guards stopped him....he was probably slipping her letters....

I don't think he was slipping letters to Casey with the hugs--too easy for one to fall, or for a guard to notice. IMO, he was hugging Casey cuz he was smitten and liked to hug Casey.

I DO think that, amongst the "legal papers" he brought to "discuss" w/his client were letters from her the A's. Probably the ONLY "legal papers" to be found in his safe-from-search briefcase.

I also firmly believe that he was able to use his handy little laptop in some manner for her to email or write to them. Maybe not an email, but something in Word, something that could be deleted. And, IMO, if he couldn't control what Casey wrote in that, that he would "edit" it before he showed it to the A's, if he bothered to show them anything @ all.

All, IMO

[Barbara fl.]

I thought they have to be DP qualified so no bafoons will get in. I would love to watch the selection process. Dont they ask if you can form an opinion of the evidence. or if they thought Casey was guilty. I just picture Yes guilty can I go now... JMO

I like that "yes Guilty, can I go now":lol: I bet they will have a great deal of those kind of responses....

Here in Florida, they mainly depend on the retired to be juror's, especially in a case that will be expected to go on as long as this one will be expected....and elderly people may not be too much for the DP...they may not want that on their shoulders...However, they will be more for the poor child who lost their life....

I just wish this case would get started....

[Barbara fl.]

or candybars and pork rinds?

:lol: That does sound more like it...

[really3997]

I like that "yes Guilty, can I go now":lol: I bet they will have a great deal of those kind of responses....

Here in Florida, they mainly depend on the retired to be juror's, especially in a case that will be expected to go on as long as this one will be expected....and elderly people may not be too much for the DP...they may not want that on their shoulders...However, they will be more for the poor child who lost their life....

I just wish this case would get started....

Has anyone found out what the show the filming on the block was for. I know if was from the A's cuz they were in and out of their house. But i thought I would have seen it by now...

[AnniePie]

I've said all along that jb has been taking letters back and forth.. I also think there may be some emails going back and forth..

So... if there were letters going back and forth, who would get to read them besides Casey? If I were checking her cell for contraband, I would definitely be reading her letters just to be cautious and concerned (certainly not nosy :rolleyes:).

I think a lot of people inside that facility know a lot of "stuff" (as Georgie likes to put it). I just wish they wouldn't be so greedy. Share it with the world, someone! We need some info here!!

[AnniePie]

gert - you think Bozo gets out a big black SHARPIE and redacts them all first? Maybe he feels the need to exorcise them of all human feeling before the OC can let her gaze fall upon them! Although, I am sure that there is not TOO much of THAT in there to cut out, anyway!

Go for it, Anthony's! Keep trying to explain the whole entire year without EVER seeing, speaking, OPENLY writing, Skywriting, sending up Smoke Signals, setting up Roadside Flares, carrier pigeons, Pony Express, (or ANY other type of language except for their CLICKS AND KNOCKS, sheesh) NADA. Oh, yeah, we are totally buying THAT.

Um..........NOT! :w00t: Good Luck with THAT!

I hope she got pages and pages of nothing but black marks.

I know. I'm mean. :laugh:

[Amy]

I'm with you...there is just no way that it will wash.....But I believe the defense will try to use it, what else do they have for those 31 days? If they try and say she was in shock, and decided to go shopping with someones else's credit card (I doubt that it will go over too well)...

And I, like you, would have given my life if someone (no matter who it was) tried to take my child from me....They would have had to kill me right there and then....

Yep, the ugly defense or whatever "ugly" it was. The fugue state she was in after Caylee died--so much in a fugue state that she can't remember killing Caylee, so she surely didn't do it. Whatever. Bring it on--but I don't think people in a fugue state would be able to appear normal, be able to go out dancing, be able to text her little fingers to the bone, be able to have sex w/the bf (and any others,) be able to tell mom that the baby is w/the nanny, and be able to tell all others the baby is w/the nanny or w/granny. It seems someone in a fugue state would have some trouble getting around and talking, but that is JMO.

[Amy]

So... if there were letters going back and forth, who would get to read them besides Casey? If I were checking her cell for contraband, I would definitely be reading her letters just to be cautious and concerned (certainly not nosy :rolleyes:).

I think a lot of people inside that facility know a lot of "stuff" (as Georgie likes to put it). I just wish they wouldn't be so greedy. Share it with the world, someone! We need some info here!!

I don't think anyone else would have gotten to read them. Jose might be stupid, but he's not dumb, so to speak. He knows it was wrong, and no way would he get left in the lurch. IMO, whatever letters he let go thru (and I'm of the opinion he would be rather selective, not letting ALL go thru) stayed right there in his briefcase. Show the letters to Casey as tho he is showing her some legal paper, she reads, he returns it to his briefcase. I don't think he would just hand her the letter for her to read @ her leisure. He would want it to stay where no one can look. IMO.

[Pruddennce]

G & C may have sent letters to Casey thru Baez, but he had no obligation to deliver them. IMO, there have been no written letters from Casey to her parents, not Baez failing to deliver them, I don't believe they ever existed. Casey has no desire to communicate with the folks. She knows they want answers and she knows she isn't going to tell them anything. She also knows the longer she keeps them at arms length the more desperate they become and the more willing to do anything to get in her good graces. IF she keeps AL from forcing a visit, by the time trial comes (more than 2 yrs after Caylee's death), G & C will be willing to do most anything to "save" Casey. Their relief and joy at finally being able to see her and have her bestow a smile and a wave at them will be a pitiful thing to see. Even from jail she continues to manipulate and control them.
I respectfully disagree.

the text msg they pulled off of Cindy's phone from Lee, around the time of one of the vigils 8/8/08: Lee says, Baez has 'communications' from Casey and asking C&G if they want to meet at Baez's office... and also says: DONT MENTION TO THE PRESS ABOUT LETTERS FROM CASEY.

they certainly were exchanging in the beginning. And I dont believe for a minute that has ceased, at least one-sided. perhaps not thru Baez now, thru snail mail.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1677910/Cindy-Anthony-Cell-Phone.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[Amy]

I respectfully disagree.

the text msg they pulled off of Cindy's phone from Lee, around the time of one of the vigils 8/8/08: Lee says, Baez has 'communications' from Casey and asking C&G if they want to meet at Baez's office... and also says: DONT MENTION TO THE PRESS ABOUT LETTERS FROM CASEY.

they certainly were exchanging in the beginning. And I dont believe for a minute that has ceased, at least one-sided. perhaps not thru Baez now, thru snail mail.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1677910/Cindy-Anthony-Cell-Phone.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

I do agree that there has been communication thru Baez's little briefcase mailbox. I do wonder tho, how much he was able to control what was said in the communications? He wouldn't be able to black out things like the jail censors can, and I'm sure there was stuff he didn't want either side to know. Did he deliver all letters? Or, what he considered was okay for either side to receive. I'm wondering if the amount of letters dwindled (possibly because Jose didn't deliver those he didn't want to) and finally stopped, and that might be why the A's have decided to communicate they way they could have all along, by regular mail? Even tho the censors black stuff out, enough would have gotten thru to Casey to show they support her. Or, it could very well be that their letters were full of accusations and questions and demands, and Casey said the heck w/this. Sure would be interesting to know!!!!!

[bchand]

Has anyone found out what the show the filming on the block was for. I know if was from the A's cuz they were in and out of their house. But i thought I would have seen it by now...

We don't know for sure yet but my theory, once we found out who that guy is that sits beside Cindy at every hearing is this.

He is associated with The Today Show but also runs a company who, among other things, trains people to appear on talk shows. From his site:

One successful appearance on a talk show can change the lives and fortunes of these guests.

At J2SC, we have former Talk Show producers on staff who will teach you how to be a great guest. Someone who will get called back on shows again and again.

If you’ve been booked (or hope to be booked) on a Talk Show, you should contact us first for this specialized media training.

http://www.j2sc.com/p_talkshows.htm

Further on:

Seriously, do you want the world to know that you've had Media Training? Or... would you like everyone to think that you're just naturally poised, calm, in-control and that you speak in perfect sound bites?

We both know the answer. (Your secret will be safe with us)

In this “YouTube” world, high profile clients should be careful of any possible unflattering video. To further protect our client’s privacy, we shoot all of our practice interviews with a DVD camera. At the end of the session, we hand that disk over to the client. They can use it as a learning tool, or destroy it. J2SC clients can be assured that they have the only copy of their media training session.

http://www.j2sc.com/ourclients.htm

That last part about the DVD camera led me to my theory.

[ruth66]

my bold

I have thought this too, from the beginning, just hearing Cindy on that call from jail. "Sweetheart, don't blame me for your being in jail, it's all your fault for telling lies" Just that one sentence told me that Cindy had probably warned Casey for years that her lies would someday get her in trouble and here is Casey calling from jail because she lied. Cindy was thrilled. CIndy wants to look like she is supporting Casey but slams her everytime. Ex. The pants in the car, if she wanted to really help Casey why say anything, LE didn't know about them?

Bolding mine:

The tone of that comment during the phone call has always left me feeling deceived. We have since heard the tone of CA's voice and I have to say the tone used with Casey was the same tone we hear when she is telling tall tales and trying to pull the wool over someone's eyes. The tone that is the true CA is the one that was used while swinging that crazy hammer and then the baseball bat.

As hard as CA is trying to show her support for her daughter, it is my opinion she has her fingers crossed behind her back hoping Casey won't be coming home to live the rest of her adult life with Cindy and George. :wink:

[sydney]

Yep, the ugly defense or whatever "ugly" it was. The fugue state she was in after Caylee died--so much in a fugue state that she can't remember killing Caylee, so she surely didn't do it. Whatever. Bring it on--but I don't think people in a fugue state would be able to appear normal, be able to go out dancing, be able to text her little fingers to the bone, be able to have sex w/the bf (and any others,) be able to tell mom that the baby is w/the nanny, and be able to tell all others the baby is w/the nanny or w/granny. It seems someone in a fugue state would have some trouble getting around and talking, but that is JMO.

we talked about that a while ago - here is what i found about about "fugue states":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugue_state

A fugue state, formally Dissociative Fugue (previously called Psychogenic Fugue) (DSM-IV Dissociative Disorders 300.13[1]), is a rare psychiatric disorder characterized by reversible amnesia for personal identity, including the memories, personality and other identifying characteristics of individuality. The state is usually short-lived (hours to days), but can last months or longer. Dissociative fugue usually involves unplanned travel or wandering, and is sometimes accompanied by the establishment of a new identity. After recovery from fugue, previous memories usually return intact, however there is complete amnesia for the fugue episode. Importantly, an episode is not characterized as a fugue if it can be related to the ingestion of psychotropic substances, to physical trauma, to a general medical condition, or to psychiatric conditions such as delerium or dementia, bipolar disorder or depression. Fugues are usually precipitated by a stressful episode, and upon recovery there may be amnesia for the original stressor (Dissociative Amnesia).

nope. don't think kc had a "fugue". all her friends said she acted normal.

[Dells]

And that is what this whole case is going to be acted out as...LKB and the rest of the team are going to depend on the juror's intellegence, they are going to throw things at them in a form of intimadation, they willl try and make the juror's feel stupid if they don't rely on their science and not on the "junk science" that they will call it....Their whole case is going to be around finding the weakest link of the juror's...

I just don't see this as being justice....because the people that can not afford a good attorney go to jail and the ones that can, get off because their attorney used unethical tactics...Which is why we have so many innocent people behind bars and so many guilty ones walking free....it really makes one lose respect for our system....

Bolding mine....

I wholeheartedly agree w/your post, especially the part that I have bolded.:thumbup: This case has clearly highlighted some major flaws in our criminal justice system. It's not about justice anymore, it is a game to see if an attorney can get a guilty client off by playing the flaws of the system. I find it deplorable.:thumbdown:

[adair]

I have always thought that kc best defense would be insanity....split personality, which is hard to prove....but Caylee, who?

[adair]

Bolding mine....

I wholeheartedly agree w/your post, especially the part that I have bolded.:thumbup: This case has clearly highlighted some major flaws in our criminal justice system. It's not about justice anymore, it is a game to see if an attorney can get a guilty client off by playing the flaws of the system. I find it deplorable.:thumbdown:


Guilty until proven broke.

moo

[Dells]

That is another thing that makes Baez look like a Bozo. Getting in front of the cameras @ every opportunity, making ludicrous statements, being on national talk shows, all the while complaining that the prosecution is trying this case in the media. The prosecution that rarely makes any statement, most of what we hear from them is from watching the motion hearings. Which is where we see the difference between professionalism and whackism, actually. But, for him to tell the world the prosecution is to blame for the constant press coverage is, again, thinking that people are stupid and can't get 2+2 to equal 4, and no one is paying attention who is in front of the cameras on a daily basis (well, was anyway.) The daily basis thing has wound down quite a bit especially since Michael Jackson has claimed all the air time.

So true! I am also getting tired of the defense complaining about all the "leaks" from the State. Those leaks are the legal release of the documents in this case per the Florida Sunshine Laws. You know the defense knows that, they are just putting that out in the media to make the prosecution look bad.:thumbdown:

[KittyMom]

Bolding mine....

I wholeheartedly agree w/your post, especially the part that I have bolded.:thumbup: This case has clearly highlighted some major flaws in our criminal justice system. It's not about justice anymore, it is a game to see if an attorney can get a guilty client off by playing the flaws of the system. I find it deplorable.:thumbdown:

You should see what happened in the Michael King sentencing hearing this afternoon. I think we're being prepared for the show that is Casey Anthony's murder trial. :angry:

[Pruddennce]

I'm with you...there is just no way that it will wash.....But I believe the defense will try to use it, what else do they have for those 31 days? If they try and say she was in shock, and decided to go shopping with someones else's credit card (I doubt that it will go over too well)...

And I, like you, would have given my life if someone (no matter who it was) tried to take my child from me....They would have had to kill me right there and then....

the defense is going to have a problem with 'what Casey told me'....(regarding the Blanchard park story told to C&G&Lee)....that 'second story/explanation' was not told BY HER to LE and/or the FBI. In fact, she told the original story, "I work at Universal and dropped my daughter off at Sawgrass with the babysitter' to family services in August. This was after she ADMITTED to LE SHE LIED to them about having a job.

she did not, however, recant her Sawgrass story, when she was given the opportunity by LE to do so.

Im curious as to how the defense will try to admit the second story, IF that is one of their strategies.

and ETA: The Blanchard park story is even less credible than her first story :D putting herself there as a witness, no weapon threat against her or her daughter.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[AnniePie]

(snipped)

if the a's were discussing the case with al and the m's were present, that conversation wouldn't be privileged then would it? hmmmm - interesting thought......

It definitely is. And I believe the Milsteads are just slimy enough to use that information to their benefit and any time in the upcoming future. Watch for it.

[AnniePie]

http://depaullaw.typepad.com/library/2008/03/60-minutes-segm.html

This is the case about Alton Logan that was innocent but found guilty.
He sat in prison for 26 years until the real killer died. Before the real killer passed away the attorney's went to him and got his permission to tell the real story after his death so Mr. Logan would might be released.

Andrea Lyons considered herself one of the attorney's working for the guilty client. At the time Andrea was a supervisor for 22 attorney's
She read the written confession and notarized the affidavit. It was then locked away for 26 years.
She knew Mr. Logan was innocent of the crime but due to attorney client privilage she and the others felt it was their duty to protect their client.
So what the Hay! Mr. Logan did not get the death penalty so it was ok for him to sit there for all those years.

Casey is in good hands. I don't want Casey to get the DP.anyway I want her to trimble in fear everyday she opens up her eyes.

There are things in life that are worse than death. jmo

Thanks for posting this, Jeeps. It is just chilling (to say the least) that Lyon allowed this man to rot in prison knowing what she knew. She is just as evil then as the OC or anyone else involved in this trial. They deserve each other. MO :scared:

[djmsmom]

(snipped)

if the a's were discussing the case with al and the m's were present, that conversation wouldn't be privileged then would it? hmmmm - interesting thought......

Being the scammers that the Milsteds are I wonder if they have offered their "story" to the National Enquirer yet. Bet they would pay big bucks for the "inside the anthonys".

[AnniePie]

I agree totally....which is what it say's at the bottom of my post...these lawyers go to such extreme to get such an obviously giulty person off....What ever happened to the days (if they ever existed) that the courts were to be used to find out if a person was truly guilty or not....It now seems that it depends on who has the smarter attorney.....(that to me, is not justice)...

ITA Barbara!

And 'the smarter attorney' usually costs more, so rich folk get better treatment than po' folk. The entire scenario is just wrong, wrong, wrong.

[sydney]

Do people really care what is happening in the Anthony house. Just sayin. I'm sure that George and Cindy have that covered. Cindy does stoopid things but she's not that stoopid I don't think.
But then again, the Milsteads would go as far as making a lot of stuff up. By the time the trial is said and done no one will care about Cindy and George.
What they do want is to get into the head of Casey and that doesn't seem like it will be happening any time soon, at all.
jmo

no one can get in kc's head, like no one can appeal to her heart. if they could, perhaps she would have 'fessed up a long time ago.

[crimeq]

good early mornin' Deanna- then the Anthonys should've done what families and friends of incarcerated loved ones have had to do for eons, which is use the USPS to get their correspondence to the inmate.

I posted the link to the OC jail web site the page before this- how hard is it for the A's to either ask while they were at the jail, or to google like I did?

Apparently too hard. :thumbdown:

imo

Can an attorney direct the jail to intercept mail sent to a prisoner? Would it be possible for Jose to read/review all mail sent to Casey, before she gets it? Anybody know?

[5swab5]

I've been reading The Orange County Inmate Handbook which is given to all Inmates upon entering the jail and I've also been reading the Brochure for Video Visitation.

Inmate Handbook:
http://www.orangecountyfl.net/NR/rdonlyres/edjj3dhkrcnmfje73uk3lbalmnpz3vkfv7jxy5o3jzjexhc5qe tms72rlaz5s6xwdvzogodifymnm3fajgwutu47luc/InmateHandbookEnglish0609.pdf

Brochure:
http://www.orangecountyfl.net/NR/rdonlyres/essihmgwoioufxh42pu5abo4bw2wdopwl7rbclqfgafc6lyk36 2tyf23wzeqqsbcvie3hst6i5syfnqicpya2cq6pmb/VideoVisitationBrochure+B.pdf

Have any of you read through these publications? If so what do you think?

I think it is funny, that they are asked to wear "slides" in the shower.:lol: MOO

[Amy]

I've been reading The Orange County Inmate Handbook which is given to all Inmates upon entering the jail and I've also been reading the Brochure for Video Visitation.

Inmate Handbook:
http://www.orangecountyfl.net/NR/rdonlyres/edjj3dhkrcnmfje73uk3lbalmnpz3vkfv7jxy5o3jzjexhc5qe tms72rlaz5s6xwdvzogodifymnm3fajgwutu47luc/InmateHandbookEnglish0609.pdf

Brochure:
http://www.orangecountyfl.net/NR/rdonlyres/essihmgwoioufxh42pu5abo4bw2wdopwl7rbclqfgafc6lyk36 2tyf23wzeqqsbcvie3hst6i5syfnqicpya2cq6pmb/VideoVisitationBrochure+B.pdf

Have any of you read through these publications? If so what do you think?

Thanks for the links. Probably pretty much how it is in most jails, I'd think.

I didn't have time to read every word, but it seems like about every contingency has been covered. I would think, since an inmate most likely has time on his/her hands, that s/he would take the time to read the handbook on a fairly thorough basis, and @ the least, know that whatever they are wanting to do is covered under one section or another. Even if they don't remember word for word, if something unusual comes up, they should be able to find information about it one of the sections.

I think, if my child or loved one was incarcerated, I would take advantage of the offer of having a handbook, to know exactly what is okay and what is not. To know about writing and visiting. Even to know what my loved one is expected to do or not do while incarcerated. That way, when little Hunnybun calls to complain about being in trouble for something, I would know if she was in the wrong, or if she was being punished unfairly. Of course, if Hunnybun is an adult, she can go thru the grievance process herself, but if she's still a minor, I'd be looking into it.

[Amy]

Can an attorney direct the jail to intercept mail sent to a prisoner? Would it be possible for Jose to read/review all mail sent to Casey, before she gets it? Anybody know?

I don't know but I sure think it would be a violation of her rights. It seems like her attorney wouldn't have any say so in who writes her, and what they write. That would really slow the process down--for the jailers to censor, then for the attorney to get to the jail to do his own censoring. And, would he get to read the letters BEFORE the jailers did their thing? Or, would he only get to read what they would let go thru to his client? I just think that is wrong, no matter which way you look @ it, but that's JMO.

[Sun]

Can an attorney direct the jail to intercept mail sent to a prisoner? Would it be possible for Jose to read/review all mail sent to Casey, before she gets it? Anybody know?

Perhaps Kat or Lapis can comment on this. It is "my" understanding, that the prisoner would have to give written consent first. (wonder if Casey read every piece of paper that she has signed?)

[KittyMom]

Perhaps Kat or Lapis can comment on this. It is "my" understanding, that the prisoner would have to give written consent first. (wonder if Casey read every piece of paper that she has signed?)

I doubt it. She just puts her "Casey Baez" on it and hands it back to him. :biggrin:

[Jeepers]

Thanks for the links. Probably pretty much how it is in most jails, I'd think.

I didn't have time to read every word, but it seems like about every contingency has been covered. I would think, since an inmate most likely has time on his/her hands, that s/he would take the time to read the handbook on a fairly thorough basis, and @ the least, know that whatever they are wanting to do is covered under one section or another. Even if they don't remember word for word, if something unusual comes up, they should be able to find information about it one of the sections.

I think, if my child or loved one was incarcerated, I would take advantage of the offer of having a handbook, to know exactly what is okay and what is not. To know about writing and visiting. Even to know what my loved one is expected to do or not do while incarcerated. That way, when little Hunnybun calls to complain about being in trouble for something, I would know if she was in the wrong, or if she was being punished unfairly. Of course, if Hunnybun is an adult, she can go thru the grievance process herself, but if she's still a minor, I'd be looking into it.

That is because you are a responsible parent and not related to the Anthony's.

There should be a handbook given out to visitors visiting love ones in jail with the A's pics on the front and in big bold letters
"DON"T BE An A" (take that as Anthony or ...)
Basic Guide on how not to act while visiting prisionors

[Amy]

That is because you are a responsible parent and not related to the Anthony's.

There should be a handbook given out to visitors visiting love ones in jail with the A's pics on the front and in big bold letters
"DON"T BE An A" (take that as Anthony or ...)
Basic Guide on how not to act while visiting prisionors

:thumbsup::lol:

Now, THAT would be hand book to see!!!!

[ish]

or candybars and pork rinds?

Or maybe a "slim jim"?:blushing:

[sydney]

It says at the top of page 11 'all Inmate mail may be opened', that 'mail will be read, censored or rejected based on concerns of order and security.
Paraphrasing there. I don't think that an attorney has the right to try to intercept an Inmates mail.

jmo

hey witchy! didn't the brochure also say that "no disruptive behaviour" (paraphrasing here) would be allowed? i would hesitate to say that kc's outbursts could have constituted disruptive, wouldn't you? but i guess since she's the "boss" and "in control" and the "ceo" they let it slide, huh?

[Amy]

Yeah and I laughed. It also says no chewing gum in the Visitation Center.
I laughed at that, too.

2w4u

I guess, while they may check an inmates mouth to see if medication is swallowed, they don't go to those lengths to check visitors' mouths for contraband gum!!!:biggrin:

[djmsmom]

It says at the top of page 11 'all Inmate mail may be opened', that 'mail will be read, censored or rejected based on concerns of order and security.
Paraphrasing there. I don't think that an attorney has the right to try to intercept an Inmates mail.

jmo

I don't think that C and G have written anything to Casey, they knew she was a bad seed long ago, and had no idea how to handle her. And didn't want the outside world to know how bad she was, that's why they never seeked out counseling. I believe they are relived she is locked up and out of the house.

[Bala]

I hope that someone from the Florida bar now steps forward and demands a complete investigation into Baez's dealings in this case before it is to late. Between Baez and Casey's goings on for eight hours a day while she was out and now the total isolation from her family at the hands of Baez do we really know what Casey's true mindset is. How do we know what Baez has been telling her or even worse not telling her about her case. We know that Lee didn't trust Baez from the beginning and the A's had questions about who was controlling the case. Casey sure didn't think she was. Was Baez's real reason to isolate Casey from her family to keep control of the case and himself in control of everything that goes on including keeping himself on board.

[ish]

Yep, the ugly defense or whatever "ugly" it was. The fugue state she was in after Caylee died--so much in a fugue state that she can't remember killing Caylee, so she surely didn't do it. Whatever. Bring it on--but I don't think people in a fugue state would be able to appear normal, be able to go out dancing, be able to text her little fingers to the bone, be able to have sex w/the bf (and any others,) be able to tell mom that the baby is w/the nanny, and be able to tell all others the baby is w/the nanny or w/granny. It seems someone in a fugue state would have some trouble getting around and talking, but that is JMO.

my bold

But Caylee wasn't dead! She was only missing, and Zanny said she would bring her back in 55 days. Casey ugly coped when her daughter was missing. If she knew she was dead she would have grieved but since she was only "missing" ugly coping was all she had to do.

[MorningGlory]

AL and the other attorneys did not represent Logan(?). Only the prosecution is under an obligation to produce exculpatory evidence in any case. AL et als were under no legal obligation to produce the affidavit or confession. I'm not certain from what we have read that AL was even the attorney that was calling the shots in that particular case.

AL et als are under a legal obligation not to produce the affidavit without the consent of the client. There is no exception to attorney-client priviledge that covers this. For those who are outraged at this, please remember the reason behind the priviledge. For an attorney to represent a client effectively the client needs to be assured that anything said will remain confidential. Clients need to feel free to tell their attorney everything so that the attorney is not surprised if things come out during the trial.

Attorneys, doctors and priests do not have the luxury of making moral decisions. We are under a legal prohibition from revealing things said to us. If you work at a particular place and don't like the way your boss does business, you have the luxury of quitting your job and can get another one elsewhere. If you feel the business practices are illegal you can go to the authorities. Doing so has no impact on your ablitity to work in your chosen profession. We do not have that luxury. If we don't like the way our boss (client) does business, our only alternative is to withdraw as counsel. (and depending on the stage of the matter, the court may not even permit us to do that) We can urge the client to come forward, but ultimately it is their decision. (here, we do not know what efforts were made in this regard as those conversations are also priviledge. We do know that ulitimately AL et als were successful in getting the consent.) We cannot go to the authorities. Doing so may result in the loss of our license and career.

Ask yourself the question, Should AL have jeopardized her entire career?
Please do not believe that any of the above makes our (attorneys, doctors and priests) lives any easier or sits well with us. It is perhaps more difficult for us to live with some of the things we know. If you have never been in that position, you cannot understand how it can weigh on your mind. Keeping the secrets do not make us immoral, but rather, we are preserving the sanctity of the confessional, the doctor's office and the lawyer's office. For the system to operate effectively, it is a necessary evil. When you go to the doctor or a lawyer or confession does it enter your mind that what you are saying may cause the hearer a moral dilemma? or are you comforted by the notion that what you say will be kept confidential?

JMO

Lapis,
(bolded by me)
I appreciate the legal explanation, and even though I have no legal training, I understand this is the way our justice sytem works. And while I won't argue against it being the best system in the world, I do think there is need for improvement.

You ask if AL should have jeopardized her entire career. For me, that question is so easily answered that it is difficult to understand any other perspective. I simply don't think one's career is more valuable than one's life. If it took jeopardizing my career to make it known that an innocent man was looking at spending 26 years in prison, I would have to do it, difficult as it would be for my future.

I feel a more suitable course of action must be found in situations like this. If the defense attorney has information that will free an innocent man, it should be allowed to be made known, without jeopardizing their client. It seems the confession could be admitted as evidence, in the retrial of that innocent man, or in a setting aside of the verdict, (forgive me for ignorance of the correct terminology here...:confused:) but NOT used against the man who made the confession, if it was not made according to the legal requirements for a confession.
jmo

[Amy]

my bold

But Caylee wasn't dead! She was only missing, and Zanny said she would bring her back in 55 days. Casey ugly coped when her daughter was missing. If she knew she was dead she would have grieved but since she was only "missing" ugly coping was all she had to do.

Thanks!!! Ugly coping. I knew it had something to do w/ugly, just couldn't remember ugly what, lol!!!

Oh, I see. There is a difference--your baby is missing, and you don't know if she is being treated lovingly or not but you can carry on w/your life, knowing in your heart of hearts that the loving nanny will return your precious baby to you, safe and sound @ the end of the 55 day "lesson." NEVER dreaming, of course, that the nanny would carry out a threat of harming Caylee or any other Anthony because Casey had followed "the script" until that darn mom of hers interfered!!!! :chicken:Of course, where WAS my brain?

[ish]

I respectfully disagree.

the text msg they pulled off of Cindy's phone from Lee, around the time of one of the vigils 8/8/08: Lee says, Baez has 'communications' from Casey and asking C&G if they want to meet at Baez's office... and also says: DONT MENTION TO THE PRESS ABOUT LETTERS FROM CASEY.

they certainly were exchanging in the beginning. And I dont believe for a minute that has ceased, at least one-sided. perhaps not thru Baez now, thru snail mail.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1677910/Cindy-Anthony-Cell-Phone.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

Pru,

There's talk of letters and individual "messages" from Casey but the messages may have been verbal and the "letters from Casey" was vague as to whether they were actually received or were anticipated. When Lee spoke to Casey in one of the last video/phone visits that were released, he asked her about letters and said Baez had no obligation to deliver them, Casey said she understood and that she hadn't had a chance to write Lee the letter she promised that would contain all the info she didn't want to talk about on tape, she promised she would get working on it. When Lee later meets with TonE (on hidden recording) he tells TonE he never got that letter from Casey. I'm not saying it's impossible that they did have some communication via letter, but I doubt it was frequent and doubt even more that it was of any interest. Blah blah I miss you guys type of crap.

[ish]

Bolding mine:

The tone of that comment during the phone call has always left me feeling deceived. We have since heard the tone of CA's voice and I have to say the tone used with Casey was the same tone we hear when she is telling tall tales and trying to pull the wool over someone's eyes. The tone that is the true CA is the one that was used while swinging that crazy hammer and then the baseball bat.

As hard as CA is trying to show her support for her daughter, it is my opinion she has her fingers crossed behind her back hoping Casey won't be coming home to live the rest of her adult life with Cindy and George. :wink:

But she will publicly declare undying support for and outrage that her daughter was railroaded, all the time keeping her fingers crossed. Gotta keep up that public image as a perfect family, you know!!

[ish]

I guess, while they may check an inmates mouth to see if medication is swallowed, they don't go to those lengths to check visitors' mouths for contraband gum!!!:biggrin:

Cindy is a pro at hiding the contraband during the "gum inspection"

[ish]

I don't see it like that. But that's JMO. There has had to have been some kind of communication in the past what? 15 months?

2w4u

If there has been, why was Cindy so desperate for an acknowlegment in court, why would George make his grand gesture? Why does Casey so obviously ignore them?

[adair]

If there has been, why was Cindy so desperate for an acknowlegment in court, why would George make his grand gesture? Why does Casey so obviously ignore them?


Probably because if C had given her ONE MORE DAY she wouldnt be sitting in jail? jmo

[Explorer]

You should see what happened in the Michael King sentencing hearing this afternoon. I think we're being prepared for the show that is Casey Anthony's murder trial. :angry:

What happened?

[Amy]

What happened?

I don't know which side "opened the door" to King's psychological background, but the penalty hearing is being postponed until he is thoroughly examined by two experts--I am assuming psychiatrists or someone in that field. Jean Casaras was explaining. There seemed to be a what??? kind of moment when whatever the prosecution said caused the judge to halt the hearings. Jean was explaining that the prosecution is going to make sure there isn't an appeal issue about his mentality. There seemed to be much conversation about his having a head injury when he was younger that might have caused him to act as he did.

I am sure someone following the case more closely could explain, or I think there is a forum for him where I would assume there is MUCH discussion of this development.

[Explorer]

I don't know which side "opened the door" to King's psychological background, but the penalty hearing is being postponed until he is thoroughly examined by two experts--I am assuming psychiatrists or someone in that field. Jean Casaras was explaining. There seemed to be a what??? kind of moment when whatever the prosecution said caused the judge to halt the hearings. Jean was explaining that the prosecution is going to make sure there isn't an appeal issue about his mentality. There seemed to be much conversation about his having a head injury when he was younger that might have caused him to act as he did.

I am sure someone following the case more closely could explain, or I think there is a forum for him where I would assume there is MUCH discussion of this development.

Thanks. Is he the one that abducted Mrs. Lee?

[Amy]

Thanks. Is he the one that abducted Mrs. Lee?

Found guilty of kidnapping, rape and murder of Denise (I think is her name) Lee.

[Pruddennce]

Pru,

There's talk of letters and individual "messages" from Casey but the messages may have been verbal and the "letters from Casey" was vague as to whether they were actually received or were anticipated. When Lee spoke to Casey in one of the last video/phone visits that were released, he asked her about letters and said Baez had no obligation to deliver them, Casey said she understood and that she hadn't had a chance to write Lee the letter she promised that would contain all the info she didn't want to talk about on tape, she promised she would get working on it. When Lee later meets with TonE (on hidden recording) he tells TonE he never got that letter from Casey. I'm not saying it's impossible that they did have some communication via letter, but I doubt it was frequent and doubt even more that it was of any interest. Blah blah I miss you guys type of crap.

ish, so true, I did forget about Lee and his conversation with Tony. however, Lee is a liar. I dont lose sight of that.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[Bala]

ish, so true, I did forget about Lee and his conversation with Tony. however, Lee is a liar. I dont lose sight of that.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*
But then there was the conversation where Lee told his mother that they had to go to Baez's office to pick up their letters from Casey.
What's surprising to me is BC seems to be throwing Baez under the bus here where he should have know it was illegal for Baez to be passing letters back and forth from jail as well.

[Pruddennce]

I think you make sense. That's probably why George and Cindy have been acting like a couple of nut balls for all these months. Sun...Anything to get the attention off of Casey. It worked a little. This board was lit up every other day talking about what a couple of jerks George and Cindy were. The media hounds were right on them, too.

As far as the video visitation with Casey. Er, she's not a very good actress so they blew that if they thought she was going to get any sympathy. In fact, it aggravated most of us. Her fake tear and her Me, Me, Me, attitude.:rolleyes:

and of course Casey spewing SHE IS A VICTIM...while her daughter is still MISSING........and Cindy turning around and reiterating that to the press.



IMO

best regards,
Pru

Judge J Joran: "You left your 2-year-old child with a person who does not exist at an apartment you cannot identify and you lied to your parents about your child's whereabouts," "You cared so little about your child."

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[adair]

But then there was the conversation where Lee told his mother that they had to go to Baez's office to pick up their letters from Casey.
What's surprising to me is BC seems to be throwing Baez under the bus here where he should have know it was illegal for Baez to be passing letters back and forth from jail as well.


So why do you think BC is talking about what he knows is illegal activity between his clients and jb? IMO

[djmsmom]

I think you make sense. That's probably why George and Cindy have been acting like a couple of nut balls for all these months. Sun...Anything to get the attention off of Casey. It worked a little. This board was lit up every other day talking about what a couple of jerks George and Cindy were. The media hounds were right on them, too.

As far as the video visitation with Casey. Er, she's not a very good actress so they blew that if they thought she was going to get any sympathy. In fact, it aggravated most of us. Her fake tear and her Me, Me, Me, attitude.:rolleyes:

I don't think there is any hidden reason to take the attention off of Casey. They seem to enjoy the attention, and Cindy just thinks she is a better liar than Casey.

[really3997]

I don't think the A's are that close to the Milstead's. Not enough to have them blabbing to America and making a few bucks.
They are all scampers and would all roll over on each other.
Also, I think AL would not allow them to be in the same room as George and Cindy for privacy reasons.
No way anything George or Cindy may say would be taken beyond AL and those two.
JMO

I for one am waiting for the day these two cross each other. As a matter of fact I will personally drive my car over there to watch it first had. JMO

[Sun]

http://www.wftv.com/news/20691896/detail.html

New tapes could be released as early as Friday in the case against Casey Anthony. They are recordings of bounty hunter Leonard Padilla and his team.

[really3997]

http://www.wftv.com/news/20691896/detail.html

New tapes could be released as early as Friday in the case against Casey Anthony. They are recordings of bounty hunter Leonard Padilla and his team.

I feel a cold coming on Friday cough cough...:tongueside:

[Sun]

I feel a cold coming on Friday cough cough...:tongueside:

I'll gladly give away whatever is ailing me. You want it?

[Bala]

Have we still no word on the fraud case?

[desmom]

Casey Anthony: Leonard Padilla tapes to be released
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/09/casey-anthony-leonard-padilla-tapes-to-be-released.html

The tapes run more than three hours, and investigators talked to Padilla's people last year in California, WFTV reported.

But did Padilla remove his toothpick during the interview?

:lol:

[Sun]

Have we still no word on the fraud case?

I expect Judge Strickland is taking great care with this ruling. There are some complex issues involved.

[5boxersmom]

Casey Anthony: Leonard Padilla tapes to be released
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/09/casey-anthony-leonard-padilla-tapes-to-be-released.html

The tapes run more than three hours, and investigators talked to Padilla's people last year in California, WFTV reported.

But did Padilla remove his toothpick during the interview?

:lol:

I have been waiting all week for this. Two days to go. :thumbsup:

[Dells]

http://www.wftv.com/news/20691896/detail.html

New tapes could be released as early as Friday in the case against Casey Anthony. They are recordings of bounty hunter Leonard Padilla and his team.

Thanks so much for the link. :seeya:

Please, please let the tapes be released Friday!:thumbup:

[jakee]

THREE hours without his toothpick....:ohmy: This is going to be really good!:scared:

:laugh: I am so looking forward to these tapes!

[frances1]

Still no ruling from Strickland on setting a trial date for the check charges, right?

[ish]

I think you make sense. That's probably why George and Cindy have been acting like a couple of nut balls for all these months. Sun...Anything to get the attention off of Casey. It worked a little. This board was lit up every other day talking about what a couple of jerks George and Cindy were. The media hounds were right on them, too.

As far as the video visitation with Casey. Er, she's not a very good actress so they blew that if they thought she was going to get any sympathy. In fact, it aggravated most of us. Her fake tear and her Me, Me, Me, attitude.:rolleyes:

If I recall, Casey was not too fond of the press and the way it "mishconstews" everything she said. Therefore I doubt she would put on an act for the camera to make herself look good. I think she actually acted defiant especially in the first court hearing in her stolen goods hoodie and the infamous 'strutting' video with Kathi Belich.

[Lapis]

Lapis,
(bolded by me)
I appreciate the legal explanation, and even though I have no legal training, I understand this is the way our justice sytem works. And while I won't argue against it being the best system in the world, I do think there is need for improvement.

You ask if AL should have jeopardized her entire career. For me, that question is so easily answered that it is difficult to understand any other perspective. I simply don't think one's career is more valuable than one's life. If it took jeopardizing my career to make it known that an innocent man was looking at spending 26 years in prison, I would have to do it, difficult as it would be for my future.

I feel a more suitable course of action must be found in situations like this. If the defense attorney has information that will free an innocent man, it should be allowed to be made known, without jeopardizing their client. It seems the confession could be admitted as evidence, in the retrial of that innocent man, or in a setting aside of the verdict, (forgive me for ignorance of the correct terminology here...:confused:) but NOT used against the man who made the confession, if it was not made according to the legal requirements for a confession.
jmo

I appreciate your feelings. I feel also, however, you are discounting the sacrifice that you are asking an attorney to make. It is not just a matter of surrendering her license. She may be disbarred with all the ramifications that entails. Do you believe a potential employer really would look into the reasons for the disbarment? You may be asking for the attorney to give up his/her life's passion. You may be depriving an innocent of the representation he/she deserves. What of the people this attorney has helped? Are you proposing the sacrifice for just attorneys or for doctors and priests as well? What do you say to those in whose lives the professional is making a difference? Sorry, doctors, lawyers, priests, they are fungible. Just go find another.

While the solution you propose may have some merits, I forsee some problems. What do you tell the family? Sorry, we have a confession but the killer of your loved one will not be called to the bar of justice in this life? If you think there is outrage when a person some believe to be guilty is found not guilty, what would the outrage be by the public if you allowed the real killer to go free. What comfort can you give the public regarding their safety? I forsee, the first time this happens, changing things again, well, that didn't work so now lets allow the confession to be used against the real killer. Now, no one will be honest with their attorney.

While the Logan case may be the extreme, there are instances where the attorney (or priest) has been able to convince the client to come forward. But if you compel the professional to come forward they will never get the opportunity. And chances are the real culprit will not confess to begin with.

JMO

[mickeymb35]

http://www.wftv.com/news/20691896/detail.html

New tapes could be released as early as Friday in the case against Casey Anthony. They are recordings of bounty hunter Leonard Padilla and his team.

An early birthday present for me. Yeah.

[ish]

ish, so true, I did forget about Lee and his conversation with Tony. however, Lee is a liar. I dont lose sight of that.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Oh Pru, they're all liars!! We just have to wade thru the lies they each tell to try and decipher the truth, who knows if we are even close to it. But every interview and statement contains something that contradicts something else said previously. I think they don't even know anymore what is true if any of it ever was.

Like my mother said telling the truth is soooo much easier.

[farrahrani]

we talked about that a while ago - here is what i found about about "fugue states":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugue_state

A fugue state, formally Dissociative Fugue (previously called Psychogenic Fugue) (DSM-IV Dissociative Disorders 300.13[1]), is a rare psychiatric disorder characterized by reversible amnesia for personal identity, including the memories, personality and other identifying characteristics of individuality. The state is usually short-lived (hours to days), but can last months or longer. Dissociative fugue usually involves unplanned travel or wandering, and is sometimes accompanied by the establishment of a new identity. After recovery from fugue, previous memories usually return intact, however there is complete amnesia for the fugue episode. Importantly, an episode is not characterized as a fugue if it can be related to the ingestion of psychotropic substances, to physical trauma, to a general medical condition, or to psychiatric conditions such as delerium or dementia, bipolar disorder or depression. Fugues are usually precipitated by a stressful episode, and upon recovery there may be amnesia for the original stressor (Dissociative Amnesia).

nope. don't think kc had a "fugue". all her friends said she acted normal.

I know this is a late response, lol, just got home and am catching up from this morning.

I have issues with this defense for several reasons, mainly being that Casey will not take the stand, and has already given her 'nanny did it' defense.

In order to make this kind of claim, it would involve her being seen by a psychiatrist, most likely hired by the defense. Then I can see the state hiring their own expert to contradict the defense. Then she will probably be required to be questioned by those experts on both sides at the trial. I don't see her taking the stand at all. (unless I am wrong about her being questioned at trial in addition to being interviewed on her mental state, then it might be a possibility)

I believe she was evaluated on entered the jail and was found to be normal (haven't seen results on that, just went by what our font of truth and knowledge, Cindy said to the media. Of course if it were otherwise, I am sure the media would have come out with it, or Jose would have used her confused or abnormal mental condition as a defense)

By the definition of 'fugue state' --Fugues are usually precipitated by a stressful episode, and upon recovery there may be amnesia for the original stressor.

Are they going to claim that she killed her child, it was the 'stressor' and that caused the fugue state, and also was forgotten in her amnesia once she recovered, like the above definition said?

Well...it's not going to work. Since everyone around her said she behaved normally, let's go with the fugue event lasting hours. She rode around with the body in her car most likely for a day or longer, the smell was so unbearable she had to abandon her car. Even in FL heat, that wouldn't be in a matter of just hours . Then had to dispose of the remains. If she truly forgot she killed her child, why would she dispose of her when finding her? Why wouldn't she completely lose her mind in grief and demand justice for the killer and report the finding of her murdered baby to the police?

Sorry, I just don't see the fugue state flying in this one. Especially since Cindy and co. have tried to implicate all of the friends, esp. Jesse, who was already a victim enough when Casey scammed him out of five hundred dollars. :cursing:

[bchand]

Still no ruling from Strickland on setting a trial date for the check charges, right?

Nada word yet frances.

[sydney]

Are they going to claim that she killed her child, it was the 'stressor' and that caused the fugue state, and also was forgotten in her amnesia once she recovered, like the above definition said?



(snipped by me - hi, farrah)

if i interpreted what i posted correctly (and i've been known to misinterpret), it seems more likely to me that she would scream "THERE'S A DEAD BODY IN MY CAR - WTH HAPPENED?" or "MY GOD, WHAT IS THAT SMELL?". to me, that would imply total amnesia after the "stressor".

and, based on what i know, there is NO WAY the defense will EVER say "kc killed caylee BUT....."

[Jeepers]

An early birthday present for me. Yeah.

Well, Happy Early Birthday Mickey! I hope you enjoy your Lenny present.
I hope it is everything you hoped for.

Here have a toothpick!

[farrahrani]

(snipped by me - hi, farrah)

if i interpreted what i posted correctly (and i've been known to misinterpret), it seems more likely to me that she would scream "THERE'S A DEAD BODY IN MY CAR - WTH HAPPENED?" or "MY GOD, WHAT IS THAT SMELL?". to me, that would imply total amnesia after the "stressor".

and, based on what i know, there is NO WAY the defense will EVER say "kc killed caylee BUT....."


Yup, my point exactly! :beer:

[ttcRider]

I'll gladly give away whatever is ailing me. You want it?

I'll take it if it doesnt interfere with my appetite! Looks like its Chili night at chez ttc! :laugh:
Hey, isnt it Spots birthday today too?

[mickeymb35]

Well, Happy Early Birthday Mickey! I hope you enjoy your Lenny present.
I hope it is everything you hoped for.

Here have a toothpick!

Thanks Jeepers!

[Barbara fl.]

the defense is going to have a problem with 'what Casey told me'....(regarding the Blanchard park story told to C&G&Lee)....that 'second story/explanation' was not told BY HER to LE and/or the FBI. In fact, she told the original story, "I work at Universal and dropped my daughter off at Sawgrass with the babysitter' to family services in August. This was after she ADMITTED to LE SHE LIED to them about having a job.

she did not, however, recant her Sawgrass story, when she was given the opportunity by LE to do so.

Im curious as to how the defense will try to admit the second story, IF that is one of their strategies.

and ETA: The Blanchard park story is even less credible than her first story :D putting herself there as a witness, no weapon threat against her or her daughter.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*


It's something of think about....which story will they stick with? I also believe the Blanchard park one to be worse (if that's possible)...because in that story she claims that Caylee literally taken from her by "Zanny the Nanny"..., so that might make it worse for her...with the first story, she can try and say that she went to clubs and shopping and got tatoo's because she thought Caylee was OK, but how do you explain away your behavior (or try to anyway) when your child supposedly was ripped from your hands......

Thi defense team has there work cut out for them on this case (good for them):laugh:

[desmom]

Okay, maybe I'm flipping out but I was just revisiting these photos from the Anthony home.

http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/caseyanthony/18741575/detail.html

In picture 45 of 53 which appears to Casey bedroom, doesn't that wall look like it is the process of being painted????

IMO, the darker areas of shadows were caused by the sunlight coming through the window and the camera's flash.

[Barbara fl.]

I have always thought that kc best defense would be insanity....split personality, which is hard to prove....but Caylee, who?


Nope...toooooo late for that defense.....she hid the body, Florida does not accept an insanity plea when a person hides the crime they committed......

[ttcRider]

Thanks desmom. I see what you mean. Those are shadows. That makes sense, IMO.
There is another picture that is messing with me and is on

http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/index.html

That picture of Casey to me looks like a Pinnochio's nose. I had my DH come over and take a look. We laughed.

2w4u

She does look Pinnochio'ish. :laugh: Thats a keeper!

[ttcRider]

Where did everybody go? :crying: I took my bath today.... :bored:

[desmom]

Please bare with me...

http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/caseyanthony/18741575/detail.html

Does this little green bag hanging from the door say 'CAYLEE.COM' ???
Picture 35 of 53.

2w4u

IMO, yes.

The pictures of Caylee look like the picture of Caylee on the buttons George wears all the time.

[Pruddennce]

It's something of think about....which story will they stick with? I also believe the Blanchard park one to be worse (if that's possible)...because in that story she claims that Caylee literally taken from her by "Zanny the Nanny"..., so that might make it worse for her...with the first story, she can try and say that she went to clubs and shopping and got tatoo's because she thought Caylee was OK, but how do you explain away your behavior (or try to anyway) when your child supposedly was ripped from your hands......

Thi defense team has there work cut out for them on this case (good for them):laugh:

yes Barbara, the second story is certainly more damaging....according to Lee, "she was in shock"...ahem...right.....

and not moving to go get her child who was getting in a car?

shock? no screaming, HELP HELP, no 'hey wait a minute'..knocked to the ground...oh puleeze......

it certainly will be entertaining to hear that story reiterated by her parents in court.....and Robert Dick. but as you lament, its more damaging that she supposedly witnessed Caylee getting in a car, and did nothing....just watched her child walk away and get in a car?

its ridiculous, because again, either location for a so-called abduction, with her as a witness or not as a witness, has not yielded even one piece of evidence that these people exist. someone supposedly in her life for FOUR YEARS, two with caylee...and she disappears along with her sister, friends and children? GMAB

which is what the jury will ponder...with jaws dropped.....

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/08/ng.01.html

GRACE: A new and elaborate story by mom, Casey Anthony, as to where her little girl is. With us tonight, the security guard that she apparently told this story to. Robert Dick, is with us. Now, let me get this straight. She said she left little Caylee in Jay Blanchard Park?

DICK: Well, she said she met with Zenaida in Jay Blanchard Park. During he meeting, while they were talking, little Caylee got in the car with the other two kids of her sisters, and when she said, Hey, where`s Caylee going, supposedly, Zenaida had held her back and told her that she was going to have to read this script and follow an outline.

GRACE: What became of the script and the outline?

DICK: Unknown. It`s just that she had an outline to follow, and that`s why she led the police on a wild goose chase.



IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[adair]

I am here...and i took a shower.

[martha]

Please bare with me...

http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/caseyanthony/18741575/detail.html

Does this little green bag hanging from the door say 'CAYLEE.COM' ???
Picture 35 of 53.

2w4uI have never seen a house so full of stuff.casey had everything in the world and I am sure that is the way she had been treated all her life so I am sure she was jealous of CAYLEE it look like CAYLEE had everything in the world.I think cindy had a prob spending too.not just george. the car port in full of stuff. how in the world did they ever clean that place up? if that was a tiffeny lamp she spend some money on that and it was in caylee;s room. no wonder they or loving the money now so much.I sure don;t understand these people.no wonder they or so happy with all the money they or getting now.jmho

[djmsmom]

Okay. That is what I thought.

Now look at this....

http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/caseyanthony/18741575/detail.html

34 of 53. Do you see the likeness of the heart stickers?

I do.

IIRC Casey made the colloge of pictures of Caylee when out on bond, did anyone else notice that there are pictures of Casey and Caylee, and George and Caylee but none of Cindy.

[desmom]

Okay. That is what I thought.

Now look at this....

http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/caseyanthony/18741575/detail.html

34 of 53. Do you see the likeness of the heart stickers?

I do.

Yes ma'am!

Was Casey into scrapbooking? I was not sure what a "crop in style psb" was in picture 30. It is for scrapbooking. http://www.createforless.com/Crop+In+Style+Paper+Sticker+Binder+PSB+Navy+and+Bl ack/pid69700.aspx

[farrahrani]

Okay. That is what I thought.

Now look at this....

http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/caseyanthony/18741575/detail.html

34 of 53. Do you see the likeness of the heart stickers?

I do.

Well...I never saw the size or design of the actual sticker, I always thought they were smaller, BUT, it goes in line with what we said a while back about foil or plastic stickers surviving for months, unlike paper stickers. (I kept picturing those tiny Lisa Frank foil stickers small enough to be used on nails) I can't believe (if thats the one) she'd be so stupid as to leave the stickers in the house after using them for that purpose, if that's them...but then again this was the same person who dropped off her victim in the woods not very far from the street, and barely buried (if at all)

[cassidy]

That could be very telling. Out on bond and all these pics taken. These pics were taken after Caylee went missing? Hmmm:glare:
Staged?


Ya lost me. The pics of Caylee couldn't have been taken after she went missing. Not sure what you are getting at?

[cassidy]

I stand corrected. NOT taken, put up. She selected the ones she wanted up.
Sorry.:blushing:


Do you think Casey made those collages or did Cindy do it?

[Chardonnay]

Good evening all...
Does anybody have the video of Cindy giving Greta Van Sustran a tour of Caylee's bedroom? I looked on YouTube, but couldn't find it. TIA !!

[desmom]

Yes and in this picture 33 of 53 notice it's Casey with Caylee and George with Caylee and then in the right corner there are two squirrels on that card..but none of Cindy or Lee.

Things that make you go 'Hummm'

2w4u

A card with 2 squirrels that says "I'm Glad You're My Mommy!

:crying:

[cassidy]

A card with 2 squirrels that says "I'm Glad You're My Mommy!

:crying:

:chicken:


YIKES!!!

[bchand]

Please bare with me...

http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/caseyanthony/18741575/detail.html

Does this little green bag hanging from the door say 'CAYLEE.COM' ???
Picture 35 of 53.

2w4u

It sure does, but if the Anthony's were planning another money-maker, that site is taken.

http://www.caylee.com/

[farrahrani]

A card with 2 squirrels that says "I'm Glad You're My Mommy!

:crying:


It's a CLUE!!!!

[101Spots]

Yes and in this picture 33 of 53 notice it's Casey with Caylee and George with Caylee and then in the right corner there are two squirrels on that card..but none of Cindy or Lee.

Things that make you go 'Hummm'

2w4u

:scared:.......

[desmom]

Good evening all...
Does anybody have the video of Cindy giving Greta Van Sustran a tour of Caylee's bedroom? I looked on YouTube, but couldn't find it. TIA !!

about 2:20 on the clock http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=2963775&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398490,00.html?sPage=fnc/ontherecord/caylee

I think.

[bchand]

Good evening all...
Does anybody have the video of Cindy giving Greta Van Sustran a tour of Caylee's bedroom? I looked on YouTube, but couldn't find it. TIA !!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398490,00.html

The videos are down about 1/4 of the page.

[crimeq]

Please bare with me...

http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/caseyanthony/18741575/detail.html

Does this little green bag hanging from the door say 'CAYLEE.COM' ???
Picture 35 of 53.

2w4u

Good grief, that house is full of clutter, everywhere! Supposedly Cindy is a clean freak but I don't know how she moves through all that clutter.

[martha]

Martha IMO you are so correct. It is obvious to me that Cindy and George were very materialist. They thought that the more stuff they had the more normal they were. But they were far from it.

2w4u
ITA with you, I think they thought the more things they got her that would keep her happy and out of their hair. they did not just buy for caylee but they bought things for them selfs and the house the yard.boy these people love to spend money now I know why the cc was so high. I don;t understand anyone useing a cc like they did the inst.rate is so high on them. I would rather not have anything and just have the love in my family. The only thing that matter in my home is the love we all share. I could never be around anyone like the an;s. I love everyone and I just think that is all that matters. We come into this world with out anything and we or going out the same way with out anything. jmho:wub:

[desmom]

Good grief, that house is full of clutter, everywhere! Supposedly Cindy is a clean freak but I don't know how she moves through all that clutter.

Pics 8 - 11 http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/caseyanthony/18741575/detail.html looks like Casey's room before LE started pulling things out and piling it on the bed. That would drive me nuts.

How the heck did Caylee play in her room? It is wall to wall.

I guess I understand now how Cindy's ccs were maxed. :eek:

jmo

[martha]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398490,00.html

The videos are down about 1/4 of the page.that is when cindy had the house nice and clean and all picked up and staged for greta.jmho

[farrahrani]

Have you not seen this???


http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/caseyanthony/18739798/detail.html


2w4u


No, I hadn't, thank you for the link! For a while I hadn't been following too closely when I moved and lost my net :(

[adair]

Well...I never saw the size or design of the actual sticker, I always thought they were smaller, BUT, it goes in line with what we said a while back about foil or plastic stickers surviving for months, unlike paper stickers. (I kept picturing those tiny Lisa Frank foil stickers small enough to be used on nails) I can't believe (if thats the one) she'd be so stupid as to leave the stickers in the house after using them for that purpose, if that's them...but then again this was the same person who dropped off her victim in the woods not very far from the street, and barely buried (if at all)


I hate to ask, but could she have been buried, but when Fay rolled in.....the gases caused her poor little body to surface?

just wondering.....but i it looks like those woods would be hard to dig a hole in.........

Any locals that can shed some lite? TIA

[Chardonnay]

about 2:20 on the clock http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=2963775&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398490,00.html?sPage=fnc/ontherecord/caylee

I think.

You're the best Des! TY! That's exactly what I was looking for. Now in this interview with Greta, you see the Winnie blanket on Caylee's bed. This interview was 8-5-08..

Now with these LE photos, on #7, there is no Winnie blanket. Were these pictures taken on 12/11 when Caylee was found? Also I thought it was said that CA replaced it on JCP card. I could be wrong..

http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/caseya...75/detail.html

[adair]

There are???
I didn't think there were any left...hummm

Why Hellooo George!!!! j/k

[desmom]

You're the best Des! TY! That's exactly what I was looking for. Now in this interview with Greta, you see the Winnie blanket on Caylee's bed. This interview was 8-5-08..

Now with these LE photos, on #7, there is no Winnie blanket. Were these pictures taken on 12/11 when Caylee was found? Also I thought it was said that CA replaced it on JCP card. I could be wrong..

http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/caseya...75/detail.html


Cindy said in the Greta interview on 8/5 Tinker and Tillie had been laying on Caylee's bed because they miss her. Maybe Cindy took the Winnie the Pooh blanket off so the dogs wouldn't damage it. :shrug:

[Chardonnay]

If KC used the WTP blanket to wrap Caylee in then Cindy must have purchased another by the 8-5 video...if that is the case she would still have it on 12/11...maybe it was in the wash...I think the dogs sleep on it.

Oh brother.. Now I'm embarrassed.:blushing: I got it wrong.. You're so right. I was thinking in a backwards sort of way... Never mind..

[Chardonnay]

That's OK...we have all done it...this case can be so confusing!!!

Thanks Rap, for making me feel better.

[legalmania]

Whatever. You understood what I meant.

You don't need to be the spelling police.

JMO

2w4u

No points off for spelling or grammar mistakes.

[legalmania]

I take it everyone knows...sure it has been posted that we are suppose to have the Lenny tapes and docs on Friday!!!

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

I'm not getting my hopes up it seems every time docs are suppose to come out on a Friday they somehow get postponed.

[Chardonnay]

I take it everyone knows...sure it has been posted that we are suppose to have the Lenny tapes and docs on Friday!!!

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Do you think his tapes will be in transcript form? So often when I hear the videos, it buffers too much. Must be my computer.

[legalmania]

I hate to ask, but could she have been buried, but when Fay rolled in.....the gases caused her poor little body to surface?

just wondering.....but i it looks like those woods would be hard to dig a hole in.........

Any locals that can shed some lite? TIA

I think it was a combination between the water and the animals that caused her body to end up spread all over.

[AnniePie]

Lapis,
(bolded by me)
I appreciate the legal explanation, and even though I have no legal training, I understand this is the way our justice sytem works. And while I won't argue against it being the best system in the world, I do think there is need for improvement.

You ask if AL should have jeopardized her entire career. For me, that question is so easily answered that it is difficult to understand any other perspective. I simply don't think one's career is more valuable than one's life. If it took jeopardizing my career to make it known that an innocent man was looking at spending 26 years in prison, I would have to do it, difficult as it would be for my future.
I feel a more suitable course of action must be found in situations like this. If the defense attorney has information that will free an innocent man, it should be allowed to be made known, without jeopardizing their client. It seems the confession could be admitted as evidence, in the retrial of that innocent man, or in a setting aside of the verdict, (forgive me for ignorance of the correct terminology here...:confused:) but NOT used against the man who made the confession, if it was not made according to the legal requirements for a confession.
jmo

ITA with you MG. No career, no bank account, no nuttin could keep me from revealing the truth in a situation like this. That man lost 26 years of his life so that AL could continue on in her career?! :scared: There is just no comparison between her career and his life.

It's a wonder that she doesn't have ulcers, or perhaps she has. That's a heavy load to carry and a very unnecessary thing.

What happened to personal ethics and responsibility in how you live your life? If she lost her career by revealing the truth in this situation, then so be it. Big deal. In comparison with this fellow giving up a large part of his life, then there is no contest in my opinion!

And this is the woman who has come in wearing her red cape to save the OC? Hmmm... it does seem that the Anthonys keep attracting their own kind, doesn't it.


day for Casey?

[Chardonnay]

ITA...I like watching the video's but sometimes they are hard to understand...I'm hoping for both...then we can watch the video's and go back and read the transcripts...I don't want much do I???

As long as we get a dump, I don't care which way they come I guess !

[AnniePie]

I for one am waiting for the day these two cross each other. As a matter of fact I will personally drive my car over there to watch it first had. JMO

Oh yeah. The doo doo is going to hit the fan one of those days, and it will be a big mess. Make sure you take your video camera, Really, and post it to youtube.

[AnniePie]

Casey Anthony: Leonard Padilla tapes to be released
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/09/casey-anthony-leonard-padilla-tapes-to-be-released.html

The tapes run more than three hours, and investigators talked to Padilla's people last year in California, WFTV reported.

But did Padilla remove his toothpick during the interview?

:lol:

I don't care!!! Three hours of Lenny talking?! I cannot wait. :w00t:

[AnniePie]

I appreciate your feelings. I feel also, however, you are discounting the sacrifice that you are asking an attorney to make. It is not just a matter of surrendering her license. She may be disbarred with all the ramifications that entails. Do you believe a potential employer really would look into the reasons for the disbarment? You may be asking for the attorney to give up his/her life's passion. You may be depriving an innocent of the representation he/she deserves. What of the people this attorney has helped? Are you proposing the sacrifice for just attorneys or for doctors and priests as well? What do you say to those in whose lives the professional is making a difference? Sorry, doctors, lawyers, priests, they are fungible. Just go find another.

While the solution you propose may have some merits, I forsee some problems. What do you tell the family? Sorry, we have a confession but the killer of your loved one will not be called to the bar of justice in this life? If you think there is outrage when a person some believe to be guilty is found not guilty, what would the outrage be by the public if you allowed the real killer to go free. What comfort can you give the public regarding their safety? I forsee, the first time this happens, changing things again, well, that didn't work so now lets allow the confession to be used against the real killer. Now, no one will be honest with their attorney.

While the Logan case may be the extreme, there are instances where the attorney (or priest) has been able to convince the client to come forward. But if you compel the professional to come forward they will never get the opportunity. And chances are the real culprit will not confess to begin with.

JMO

Depriving an innocent person of the representation he deserves? What about helping the innocent person that was behind bars for all those years? Are you serious?

I've always been told I'm too idealistic, but when it comes to issues of good against evil, right and wrong... sorry I'm on the side of good every single time. AL will be held accountable for this one day.

[adair]

ITA with you MG. No career, no bank account, no nuttin could keep me from revealing the truth in a situation like this. That man lost 26 years of his life so that AL could continue on in her career?! :scared: There is just no comparison between her career and his life.

It's a wonder that she doesn't have ulcers, or perhaps she has. That's a heavy load to carry and a very unnecessary thing.

What happened to personal ethics and responsibility in how you live your life? If she lost her career by revealing the truth in this situation, then so be it. Big deal. In comparison with this fellow giving up a large part of his life, then there is no contest in my opinion!

And this is the woman who has come in wearing her red cape to save the OC? Hmmm... it does seem that the Anthonys keep attracting their own kind, doesn't it.


day for Casey?

I cannot understand the burdened of knowing that some is sitting in jail, innocent.

Why could she have not directed that mans attorney or LE into some evidence that could have cleared him?

I would not want that on my shoulders.

I do believe that everyone deserves a fair trial.....

as i said before I wonder how the Angel of Death will be perceived after this becomes more public knowledge.

Someone should Email KB this story......she probably knows it...but its worth it, incase she does not.

[adair]

I wonder how AL slept at night...I know I never could...all I would be able to think about is that man everyday...day in and day out...living in prison...which is not a pretty way to live...thinking of all the things that happen in prison...no comforts...no life...:sad::sad: While you're out in the free world pursuing your career...living the good life...getting married...having children...just enjoying life...Yep...don't know how she slept at night...

RAP

You and i are on the same page right now......what about his family....it burns my *** to know that the REAL killer had MORE rights in confidentiality then the innocent. As i understood from this story this man was not going to get out of jail....right? So why not free an innocent person......

I hope KB does in indepth look at his case (the innocent man) and does a story on him and what happened....as long as its ok with him.

jmo mooo


kat, lapis

I totally respect what u do.

[legalmania]

I wonder how AL slept at night...I know I never could...all I would be able to think about is that man everyday...day in and day out...living in prison...which is not a pretty way to live...thinking of all the things that happen in prison...no comforts...no life...:sad::sad: While you're out in the free world pursuing your career...living the good life...getting married...having children...just enjoying life...Yep...don't know how she slept at night...

That's why I had to quit the legal world because after awhile you just grow cold. They no longer become people they become clients and file numbers. I find it much more rewarding to volunteer my time and help those who can't afford attorneys.

[AnniePie]

I have to agree Annie...I don't think what these attorney's did was morally or ethically right.

AL is so opposed to the DP...yet she along with others did nothing while an innocent man sat in prison for what was it??? 26 years or something like that???
Deplorable!!!

Excellent point.

[ttcRider]

Not sure if you guys already knew or not but that 'kook' wrote a second letter to the judge. Here is the link, sorry if this is old news.
http://www.wftv.com/news/20669869/detail.html
Not too handy with links either so I will apologize in advance if its another movie trailer. :laugh:

[AnniePie]

RG posted this to his facebook account:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK9bQkiIK4w

It's absolutely hilarious! I'm sure Kathi Belich loves it!!

ETA: He said he sent it to KB, and she's quite embarrassed about it. I don't think she should be at all.

[adair]

I commend you for that...:thumbsup:


I work in the medical field, animals, and i made a promise, once i stopped caring for the animals like they are my own, i am done. 20 yrs later and i am still going strong..........I put my self in the owners shoes.

I know it was not easy for you do what you did, but i know it has given you peace of mind.

Now you can help us (me...i know we talked about my neices murder) and i want to find court dates etc....

Thank You for all you have done......

[Pruddennce]

That could be very telling. Out on bond and all these pics taken. These pics were put up after Caylee went missing? Hmmm:glare:
Staged?

the bible.....staged.

secondly, who would put up a huge poster of their own child...A MISSING POSTER.....in their bedroom....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[ttcRider]

LMAO...no it wasn't another movie trailer...I saw this...but others may not have...so thanks for posting it!!!

whew! I'm a bit 'link shy' these days. :laugh:

[legalmania]

I want to dedicate this to Caylee. I know you were to young to remember this song, we miss you baby girl.

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Now playing: Rod Stewart - Forever Young (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/rod_stewart/track/forever_young)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

[adair]

I want to dedicate this to Caylee. I know you were to young to remember this song, we miss you baby girl.

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Now playing: Rod Stewart - Forever Young (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/rod_stewart/track/forever_young)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)


Are you saying I am old...I love that song.

[legalmania]

I commend you for that...:thumbsup:

Somebody walked up to me and told me my soul had turned black, that's when I decided I'd better change.

[adair]

This is a trick question, isn't it???

Well in all fairness, she could have been hiding under the bed. j/k

The only way i get thru this is by jokes....i do not want to offend anyone.

OMG I want to puke...........

[legalmania]

Are you saying I am old...I love that song.

Of course not that would make me old also. Caylee was just way to young.

[KittyMom]

I take it everyone knows...sure it has been posted that we are suppose to have the Lenny tapes and docs on Friday!!!



:eek: <jumping up, twirling, moon-walking, shaking my fanny, arms in the air>
Oh, yeah, oh, yeah....:thumbsup:

[adair]

I joke a lot about things too...my way of coping I guess...but other times when I think of Caylee...I cry.

Yeah I know, we just cant understand. We are saddened, but if it were our own family....I would be .....i dont know, i would tear the world apart to find her.............

[legalmania]

I work in the medical field, animals, and i made a promise, once i stopped caring for the animals like they are my own, i am done. 20 yrs later and i am still going strong..........I put my self in the owners shoes.

I know it was not easy for you do what you did, but i know it has given you peace of mind.

Now you can help us (me...i know we talked about my neices murder) and i want to find court dates etc....

Thank You for all you have done......

Actually it was one of the easiest things I ever did, my boss wasn't happy but I did it in a kind of chicken way, I moved out of South Florida and moved to a town where the biggest crime so far has been somebody broke down a door. Ya keep bugging whoever is handling your case. By the way I'm an animal lover also, that's how I ended up with 6 cats and a dog and am constantly doing foster care.

[adair]

Actually it was one of the easiest things I ever did, my boss wasn't happy but I did it in a kind of chicken way, I moved out of South Florida and moved to a town where the biggest crime so far has been somebody broke down a door. Ya keep bugging whoever is handling your case. By the way I'm an animal lover also, that's how I ended up with 6 cats and a dog and am constantly doing foster care.

You are a great person.

It is so hard (at first to foster) then you get pix of your baby having a great time and it makes it all worth it.

[legalmania]

You are a great person.

It is so hard (at first to foster) then you get pix of your baby having a great time and it makes it all worth it.

I always fall in love to fast. I tried to talk my own daughter out of her animals.

[adair]

I always fall in love to fast. I tried to talk my own daughter out of her animals.

There are a lot of foster animals that need homes......

Do you think that KB will do a story about AL letting an innocent person sit in jail for years?

[legalmania]

Well I'm gonna go also still feeling bad from the swine flu. Wonder how long it takes to kick this thing. Just went to the doc yesterday and he says I'm doing great, wonder why I feel so bad? Maybe I'm dying and he's afraid to tell me. Well if you don't hear from me.


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Now playing: Norman Greenbaum - Spirit In The Sky (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/norman_greenbaum/track/spirit_in_the_sky)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

[legalmania]

There are a lot of foster animals that need homes......

Do you think that KB will do a story about AL letting an innocent person sit in jail for years?

Remind me who KB is I'm on a lot of meds here?

[adair]

Remind me who KB is I'm on a lot of meds here?
...
Kathy Bielch .... i may have the spelling wrong..she has done lots of storys about kc and company...

[legalmania]

...
Kathy Bielch .... i may have the spelling wrong..she has done lots of storys about kc and company...

I don't know what time or channel she's on here on the east coast. Was she an attorney at one time?

[adair]

I don't know what time or channel she's on here on the east coast. Was she an attorney at one time?


Nope she is a local news report in that area........

[Dells]

the bible.....staged.

secondly, who would put up a huge poster of their own child...A MISSING POSTER.....in their bedroom....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Bolding mine....

You know what repulses me most about that? All along Casey knew she murdered her daughter and threw her 15 houses down the street in the woods at the end of the road. Totally and completely despicable. It was a game to Casey to see if she could squeak out of getting blamed for Caylee's murder. She's just repulsive.:thumbdown:

[legalmania]

Nope she is a local news report in that area........

Well she may, she's from the Orlando area?

[KittyMom]

Well she may, she's from the Orlando area?

She with WFTV. I'll never forget those call letters. :laugh:

[legalmania]

Bolding mine....

You know what repulses me most about that? All along Casey knew she murdered her daughter and threw her 15 houses down the street in the woods at the end of the road. Totally and completely despicable. It was a game to Casey to see if she could squeak out of getting blamed for Caylee's murder. She's just repulsive.:thumbdown:

Well what makes me find comfort is that Caylee is haunting Casey. That is why Casey is having nightmares. I believe Caylee hasn't realized she is dead yet and can't understand why her mommy won't pick her up, and that is why she is crying. Casey is sensitive to her cries because that is the last thing she heard from Caylee.

[legalmania]

She with WFTV. I'll never forget those call letters. :laugh:

Well lets start a rally. If we can get several people to write her maybe she'll do the story. But a lot of it is politics. Al may know someone at the station.

[Pruddennce]

You're the best Des! TY! That's exactly what I was looking for. Now in this interview with Greta, you see the Winnie blanket on Caylee's bed. This interview was 8-5-08..

Now with these LE photos, on #7, there is no Winnie blanket. Were these pictures taken on 12/11 when Caylee was found? Also I thought it was said that CA replaced it on JCP card. I could be wrong..

http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/caseya...75/detail.html


during the search warrant after caylee's remains were found, Cindy A, after looking at the search warrant and seeing the blanket on it, had an excited utterance event: she exclaims ITS MISSING. probably frustrated because they were going to toss the house and wanted to avoid that. OOPS.

by saying that she confirmed, once again, she hindered the investigation by withholding information.

the pics we see of LE during their search, the daybed decorative padding is gone as well as the decorative type comforter. IMO, LE took those things during the search.

the 'blanket' she was found in: it will be interesting to see that evidence.

in any event, it was missing, says Cindy and that is what Caylee was found in.....and at that point, she didnt know a pooh blanket was found with her remains.

IMO, it was a typical warm and fuzzy blanket trimmed in satin, that sort of thing. my guess. we dont know. but will find out at trial.

IMO, the bedding during her photo shoot was not a replacement. if she replaced that decorative type blanket, why would she tell LE it was missing? its on film with Greta which was taken after she was arrested.

LE was trying to nail down CIndy about Casey's use of her JCPenny card. IMO Cindy was refusing to give up those statements because it simply showed Casey shopping to her heart's content FOR HERSELF...during the time period her daughter was supposedly missing.

Cindy didnt want that fact known. LE already knew thru the JC Penny videos she was shopping for herself. they were trying to assess how far Cindy would go to compromise the investigation.

they got their answer.

footnote: lets not forget how Cindy conveniently left out one important piece of information about Casey's whereabouts: she never told LE SHE FOUND OUT ON JULY 3rd SHE WAS LOCAL. she kept talking and talking about 'what casey told her', but she deliberately omitted telling them SHE KNEW OTHERWISE.

no different with the blanket. she didnt tell them that in July. it just slipped out in December during the search.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[legalmania]

OK I better rest I'm playing with fire here.:seeya: Goodnight all.

[adair]

during the search warrant after caylee's remains were found, Cindy A, after looking at the search warrant and seeing the blanket on it, had an excited utterance event: she exclaims ITS MISSING. probably frustrated because they were going to toss the house and wanted to avoid that. OOPS.

by saying that she confirmed, once again, she hindered the investigation by withholding information.

the pics we see of LE during their search, the daybed decorative padding is gone as well as the decorative type comforter. IMO, LE took those things during the search.

the 'blanket' she was found in: it will be interesting to see that evidence.

in any event, it was missing, says Cindy and that is what Caylee was found in.....and at that point, she didnt know a pooh blanket was found with her remains.

IMO, it was a typical warm and fuzzy blanket trimmed in satin, that sort of thing. my guess. we dont know. but will find out at trial.

IMO, the bedding during her photo shoot was not a replacement. if she replaced that decorative type blanket, why would she tell LE it was missing? its on film with Greta which was taken after she was arrested.

LE was trying to nail down CIndy about Casey's use of her JCPenny card. IMO Cindy was refusing to give up those statements because it simply showed Casey shopping to her heart's content FOR HERSELF...during the time period her daughter was supposedly missing.

Cindy didnt want that fact known. LE already knew thru the JC Penny videos she was shopping for herself. they were trying to assess how far Cindy would go to compromise the investigation.

they got their answer.

footnote: lets not forget how Cindy conveniently left out one important piece of information about Casey's whereabouts: she never told LE SHE FOUND OUT ON JULY 3rd SHE WAS LOCAL. she kept talking and talking about 'what casey told her', but she deliberately omitted telling them SHE KNEW OTHERWISE.

no different with the blanket. she didnt tell them that in July. it just slipped out in December during the search.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*



Yup

Cindy did not count anyone finding out that she sent Lee to search for kc..........instead she invents (who knows what came from kc) this bonding vacation...

jmo

[Pruddennce]

Bolding mine....

You know what repulses me most about that? All along Casey knew she murdered her daughter and threw her 15 houses down the street in the woods at the end of the road. Totally and completely despicable. It was a game to Casey to see if she could squeak out of getting blamed for Caylee's murder. She's just repulsive.:thumbdown:

and I advance on my repulsion with regard to her family, compromising the investigation and turning a blind eye with regard to so-called 'child care'....what kind of grandmother, whose granddaughter is living with them, has NO IDEA where/and who that little child is with every single day for almost two years?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[Pruddennce]

OK I better rest I'm playing with fire here.:seeya: Goodnight all.

be well legal.

best regards,
Pru

[farrahrani]

during the search warrant after caylee's remains were found, Cindy A, after looking at the search warrant and seeing the blanket on it, had an excited utterance event: she exclaims ITS MISSING. probably frustrated because they were going to toss the house and wanted to avoid that. OOPS.

by saying that she confirmed, once again, she hindered the investigation by withholding information.

the pics we see of LE during their search, the daybed decorative padding is gone as well as the decorative type comforter. IMO, LE took those things during the search.

the 'blanket' she was found in: it will be interesting to see that evidence.

in any event, it was missing, says Cindy and that is what Caylee was found in.....and at that point, she didnt know a pooh blanket was found with her remains.

IMO, it was a typical warm and fuzzy blanket trimmed in satin, that sort of thing. my guess. we dont know. but will find out at trial.

IMO, the bedding during her photo shoot was not a replacement. if she replaced that decorative type blanket, why would she tell LE it was missing? its on film with Greta which was taken after she was arrested.

LE was trying to nail down CIndy about Casey's use of her JCPenny card. IMO Cindy was refusing to give up those statements because it simply showed Casey shopping to her heart's content FOR HERSELF...during the time period her daughter was supposedly missing.

Cindy didnt want that fact known. LE already knew thru the JC Penny videos she was shopping for herself. they were trying to assess how far Cindy would go to compromise the investigation.

they got their answer.

footnote: lets not forget how Cindy conveniently left out one important piece of information about Casey's whereabouts: she never told LE SHE FOUND OUT ON JULY 3rd SHE WAS LOCAL. she kept talking and talking about 'what casey told her', but she deliberately omitted telling them SHE KNEW OTHERWISE.

no different with the blanket. she didnt tell them that in July. it just slipped out in December during the search.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*


As far as the blanket goes, her not telling them prior to her 'excited utterance' we can only speculate why she said nothing, especially since Caylee had not been found when she knew it was missing.

It was guessed that she did NOT give LE the receipts for JCPenney, because she had purchased the replacement blanket herself. I also was suspicious when it was mentioned she said she washed the bedding every week. I just thought it would be a way for her to fade the blanket, washing it alone several times until it matched the wear and faded look to match the age of the rest of the bedding. (why else would she wash unused bedding every week? The dogs lying on it? Come on, she could just shut the door and lock it! Don't tell me she is going to allow her pets to create unnecessary work for her! )

It will be interesting to see if LE managed to get an itemized statement, and what was listed.

I say she admitted it was missing because she probably knew they'd be able to find the set in a back catalog and know the blanket that was replaced with it was not an exact match.

I purchased a Baby Looney Tunes crib set for my son before he was born. After he started in his twin bed, I used the same set for my daughter, minus the blanket, which he kept. It was not hard to find another Baby Looney Tunes comforter, the theme was very popular for a few years...but I never found that EXACT blanket again, though there were some similar enough that you would only guess it was purchased separately if you were familiar with the original set.

At this point who knows why she wasn't forthcoming? Do you need a logical reason when dealing with an Anthony? :tonguewag:

[AnniePie]

THERE IS NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THIS IS TRUE! And I pray it is 24/7 til she draws her last breath...and then I hope her spirit chases her Odious Mother straight to HE77.

There is also no doubt in my mind that the only peace that Caylee's spirit MAY know is from all of the people like US - just regular average Joe people - HUMAN BEINGS - who cared about what happened to her in July 2008 AND CONTINUE TO CARE about her and her life!

NONE OF US WISH THIS WAS THE ONLY REASON THAT WE COULD KNOW HER!! But we ALL know that we LOVE HER NOW and SUPPORT her NOW, sadly, only in memory. AND we ALL want the WORLD to know this!

I joke a lot and rant a lot and try to make people here laugh with my posts, but tonight - I sit here with a HUGE LUMP in my throat and MY EYES WON'T STOP CRYING! My heart breaks tonight for Caylee. I am guessing it is because I just can't stop missing my own dad tonight...I don't know if I ever told anyone here (all of my friends :wub: - and I DO consider ALL of YOU my kindred spirits in caring about this case) but my DAD, (who was born in 1932), was named CALEY - pronounced the SAME as Caylee. (And, this was WAY before the craze of all the popular girl names with the various spellings of "CAY, KAY, ... LEE, LEIGH" I think you guys know what I mean). so every time I hear the name, I think of them BOTH. It is so hard, sometimes.

He has been gone for only six short years - but I miss him with every single beat of my heart. I have had many heart-to-hearts with his gentle spirit, and he has assured me that he, and a WHOLE SLEW of all of our relatives who are in Heaven - have adopted this ANGEL as if she were ALL of THEIR grandbaby - and they will play, sing, hug, smile and laugh with her each and every moment UNTIL SHE CAN FINALLY, ONE SWEET DAY, REST IN PEACE.

Makes me so sad. :crying:

FMO, I am very much with you on this one. I believe without a shadow of a doubt that Casey will pay for this murder, but in the meantime I pray that she has no peace. As a Christian I'm not sure how right or wrong this is, but I just want that baby to have justice. No one stood up for her in her short little life, and somehow I think that we are standing up for her in her death.

I'm sorry about how choked up you are about your Dad. I know how it feels to miss your Dad; mine has been gone for 17 years but it still feels like yesterday.

My connection to the name Caylee is that if I'd had a daughter (I had and have three sons), her name would have been Kaelie Anne. So, my heart breaks at times in this case as well.

We are all here for a reason.

[Postergeist]

gotta question hoping someone will know~

reading back thru today's posts and looking again at photos from the A home (thanks to witchy for the link)

something struck me that I missed when the media first posted these pics-

but want to know what date were these photos taken, and is this room Casey's room in pic #38 & 39 or is it G & C's? (I thought it was Casey's room)-

http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/caseyanthony/18741575/detail.html

I just find it odd that she would have a flyer in her room for a

Fund raiser for Trenton Duckett to be held October 2008

I know Trenton approached the family early on- but was wondering how in advance were his flyers printed up- if after Casey's last arrest, then why the parents stick that in her room...

(just thinking back to the computer searches done earlier in '08 about missing children, etc. the angle with the M's having a hand in the Duckett case & the Anthony case)

[Postergeist]

Mornin' Fool Me- Des will likely know when those photos were taken. Or I could do a search in the link thread to try to nail down the dates.

I know that LE had been in that home more than once w/ searches & taking photos.

Sometimes things don't stick out when I first see them and when revisiting it- it will.

And the flyers for Trenton did stick out this time.

Yes, lol- that garage is pretty packed and it appears that the man door goes directly into a living space into the house. So parking that stinky car- yep- should've permeated the house.

I've never lived in a house that didn't have a basement- it seems like their home is like a garden home, not much room for storage. Notice they have things stacked on shelves all the way to the ceiling. Just a few inches from the ceiling- wow.

Good thing the A's are slender enuf folks- cuz that would be a trick to try to open the vehicle's doors wide enough to get one's body out, and a purse or a bag.

Keep in mind tho, that Cindy's refrigerator has also smelled 'like something had died in it' so that house may be very familar with the odors of dead, dying and decaying things. ugh


o/t

(I'm going to see if I can tweak how the board displays for me, my eyesight isn't the same as it used to be, and it's hard on my eyes to read how some posts are posted- I know some mbs give the option of how it displays...gonna tinker with that for awhile)

[Postergeist]

oven free.??? were ovens even invented back then? haha j/k but isnt it ollie ollie auction free? or am I the old one?

lol- I didn't catch that! (well, I just posted that my eyes have been hurting reading on here)

back in the Midwest where I grew up- it was olly olly OXEN free

:laugh:

[Amy]

Casey Anthony: Leonard Padilla tapes to be released
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/09/casey-anthony-leonard-padilla-tapes-to-be-released.html

The tapes run more than three hours, and investigators talked to Padilla's people last year in California, WFTV reported.

But did Padilla remove his toothpick during the interview?

:lol:

He had to remove his toothpick? Well, I guess if Cindy had to remove her gum.......

[Amy]

It's something of think about....which story will they stick with? I also believe the Blanchard park one to be worse (if that's possible)...because in that story she claims that Caylee literally taken from her by "Zanny the Nanny"..., so that might make it worse for her...with the first story, she can try and say that she went to clubs and shopping and got tatoo's because she thought Caylee was OK, but how do you explain away your behavior (or try to anyway) when your child supposedly was ripped from your hands......

Thi defense team has there work cut out for them on this case (good for them):laugh:

But, doncha know, the park story was better in HER eyes. Cuz that way she got her script. The one that says to not report this and Caylee will be returned in 55 days. I'm sure she was just following the script. Invisinanny was compassionate for her, gave her much to do whilst she did not have to worry about Caylee (cuz invisinanny was SOOOO good w/Caylee.) Even made sure the activities were the kind that Casey liked--dancing @ Fusion, shopping @ Target and JCPenney's, hanging out w/the bf of the week, etc. Of course Invisinanny knew Casey didn't have funds to pay for this, so I am sure the script included various ways to get money--like, steal from the grandparents and any other family member she could. And, don't forget to steal from any new friends if she needed MORE money.

Now, just WHO in the world would disbelieve a story like that? Didn't she cover all the basis? Oh, I guess invisinanny didn't tell her how to keep her parents from discovering her before the 55 days were up, so no one would do something like call 911. I wonder if she tho't this up all by herself, or if she had help? (cough, cough.) Well, I do think she had help w/the second version, but wonder is the first version was all her own little production?