8/31, 9/1, 9/2

[101Spots]

I don't know...is it your birthday???...:biggrin:

We need a "tearing-my-hair-out" smilie.

[ish]

Oh I agree...just like they know Casey killed Caylee but refuse to admit it out loud to themselves or anyone else.
I do have to wonder how they sleep at night though......such a lie to live with.

They won't even admit it to each other.:sad:

[ish]

I thought that C went back to work after they got that car back....thanks!!

She did, but I think she went thru the car first and then again when she went home. I think she went back to work thinking Casey would get in touch in response to the "major prob" text. When she didn't, Cindy went home and searched the car (despite the stench) and found Amy's number.

[cassidy]

We need a "tearing-my-hair-out" smilie.

Good morning everyone. I guess there hasn't been a doc dump yet today?

Spot, not such a bad thing to have a daily birthday :)

[Jeepers]

I wouldn't be surprised to hear him say "Caylee Marie?" "Um, I'll need to see a photo to remind me" "Oh, yes, now I recall"

Yes, that is where the A's are at with this. Just like everything else in their lives ignore, denie, lie about everythng they don't want to deal with.
Casey, has demostrated this behavior all her life.
She has no friends she uses them,steals from them.
Boyfriends to her is like going to candystore and picking the flavor of the month. Some of these guys might have really liked her but to her they were just throwaways.
Casey demomstrated this behavior when she was pregnant with Caylee. She did not want her but, she was saddled with her, her attitude was to just make the best of it. She did Caylee turned out to be her weapon of choice.
When Casey murdered her baby, she had no reason to talk or fight with Cindy. She was finally free from Cindy's control.
Casey did not develop this behavior, it was a learned behavior from her parents.
George and Cindy act the same way. lie, denie and steal.
Apple did not fall far from the tree. jmo

[JHP]

She did, but I think she went thru the car first and then again when she went home. I think she went back to work thinking Casey would get in touch in response to the "major prob" text. When she didn't, Cindy went home and searched the car (despite the stench) and found Amy's number.

I think she went back to work to figure out what she had said to her co-workers about her missing daughter/granddaughter. I think the major problem Cindy had was that SB now knew about the dead smell in the car. He might have called LE, Cindy had to proceed.

[cassidy]

She did, but I think she went thru the car first and then again when she went home. I think she went back to work thinking Casey would get in touch in response to the "major prob" text. When she didn't, Cindy went home and searched the car (despite the stench) and found Amy's number.

And no one will ever know what she actually removed from the car.

JMO

[Jeepers]

Re tow yard in relation to the Anthony home: According to google maps, the tow yard is approximately 6 miles from the Anthony home.

Re George taking gas to the tow yard. George told LE in the 7/24 interview page 18 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Anthony%20%20George0724.pdf She ran out of gas for the umpteenth number of times….

Re Gas Gauge - IIRC, LE did test the gas gauge and it was working properly.

Re: Simon Burch said on page 9 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Burch%20%20Simon-0724.pdf I went back to the car with him and the car wouldn’t start. And I looked, he was sitting in the car and I looked in the car and the gas gauge was on empty.

Re: people pushing the car - A lot of people do not follow the news or watch NG. Also, by the time the info came out about someone helping Casey push the car into the lot, this case had turned into a media circus. I think most people would be hesitant to want to get in the middle of this mess. I am not so sure I buy the story. It has been reported by posters from the area this is a pretty busy intersection, yet not one witness that we know of has called in to verify Casey's story.

Re Casey putting $3 worth of gas in the car: Gas at that time was hovering around $4 a gallon. Did Casey even have $3 to put gas in the car?

Re Amscot video surveillance: Nothing has been released in doc dumps. Do they have video cameras on the outside of their building? Would interior cameras catch the driveway?

Re keys in the car: Gary Ridgeway, tow truck driver, told LE on page 3 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1643180/Ridgeway-Gary---Statement Being a front wheel drive car I checked to see if it was unlocked because sometimes you can put them in neutral and move them, but it was locked. Simon Burch said on page 4 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Burch%20%20Simon-0724.pdf I asked them if they had the keys and he said, “Yes, I have the keys.” IMO, there were no keys in the car.

Re purse in the car: The only report we have heard about Casey's purse being in the car came from Cindy in an interview, I believe, with Larry King.

jmo

If I remember right, Cindy came to tow yard with the money. She was arguing with the attendant about the cost and how many days it had been in the tow yard.
George was actually in the lot with the tow guy. George said he smelled the car from 3 feet away. He said before he did anything he looked into the windows and saw Casey's purse and Caylee's car seat in the back. The car was a mess inside.
George drove the car up to her and was talking abou the smell. He had the windos down and was gagging. She said she would drive it home and he said no that he would.
I think Cindy was the one that told George to take the gas can to the tow yard when they were talking on the phone about retrieving the car.

[Roux]

Good morning all. I came to check to see if Judge Strickland had ruled on the date of the trial for check charges and see the Bar has dismissed charges on the DC complaint. What a revolting development! I despise anything that gives Bozo an opportunity to gloat.

[marinewife5]

Good morning all. I came to check to see if Judge Strickland had ruled on the date of the trial for check charges and see the Bar has dismissed charges on the DC complaint. What a revolting development! I despise anything that gives Bozo an opportunity to gloat.

Look on the bright side....now Baez feels vindicated and validated....therefore, he will intesify his lack of intelligent moves in the case.

jmo

[jakee]

What I have a problem with is Casey being the way she is, then why did she not go to a facility that would have killed her baby for her. I hate to use that term but I don't believe in abortion unless it is a health issue for the mother. (but that's another Oprah)

In any event, Casey could have gone to planned parenthood and that would have been it. That would have been her selfish "throwaway".
I can't imagine Casey even thinking twice about wanting the baby when she learned she was pregnant.
jmo

Good morning,

I have often thought that it was probably too far into her pregnancy for her to get an abortion. She seems to me that she just doesn't think far enough ahead and by then too late? I too wonder as some posted earlier that she seems like the type that if she had kept her pregnancy a secret, would have dumped the baby in the garbage, done, problem solved. IMO

[cassidy]

Look on the bright side....now Baez feels vindicated and validated....therefore, he will intesify his lack of intelligent moves in the case.

jmo

LOL How true !

[Barbara fl.]

They won't even admit it to each other.:sad:


I often wondered what they talk about at home....but it could be that they feel that the house is still wired, so maybe they don't talk in the house...I remember at the beginning, they would always go out in the car (probably to talk) and Casey always went to Baez's office for the entire day....

But I would love to know what they talk about...

Oh, good morning everyone.....

[101Spots]

I often wondered what they talk about at home....but it could be that they feel that the house is still wired, so maybe they don't talk in the house...I remember at the beginning, they would always go out in the car (probably to talk) and Casey always went to Baez's office for the entire day....

But I would love to know what they talk about...

Oh, good morning everyone.....

Maybe, perhaps, pleasepleaseplease Tracy will give us a few clues. Those first 8 or 9 days when Casey was released the first time should be an eye-opener as to the general conversations and tone of the entire house.

[cassidy]

Maybe, perhaps, pleasepleaseplease Tracy will give us a few clues. Those first 8 or 9 days when Casey was released the first time should be an eye-opener as to the general conversations and tone of the entire house.

I think that's why the defense has tried so hard (and will continue to try) to keep those accounts out of the courtroom. The Anthony's spoke quite freely in the early days and most likely much more so in the confort of their own home.

JMO

[crimeq]

If I remember right, Cindy came to tow yard with the money. She was arguing with the attendant about the cost and how many days it had been in the tow yard.
George was actually in the lot with the tow guy. George said he smelled the car from 3 feet away. He said before he did anything he looked into the windows and saw Casey's purse and Caylee's car seat in the back. The car was a mess inside.
George drove the car up to her and was talking abou the smell. He had the windos down and was gagging. She said she would drive it home and he said no that he would.
I think Cindy was the one that told George to take the gas can to the tow yard when they were talking on the phone about retrieving the car.

OK - then Cindy knew about the smell before leaving the towyard.

I'm still trying to remember if she washed Casey's slacks and tried to clean the car before she called Amy and went to TonE's. If so, she was more worried about covering the smell than finding Casey/Caylee.

In their statements to LE, did either George or Cindy give a timeline including details about cleaning the car?

Did Cindy already "know" Caylee was gone, because she smelled the decomp in the car at the towyard? (The knowing would probably be suspicion because I'd expect a lot of denial to be at work.)

[martha]

Actually I liked your post...and the format. It was broken down, easy to read and understand. I have fibromyalgia, and I have trouble with posts that are not broken up into sections.....I keep loosing my place. LOL :biggrin:
Oh honey I feel so sorry for you and know how bad you hurt. I have fibromyalgia too and so many days I have to just go back to bed. When I get up I can;t even walk or close my hands.sorry for the o/t but just wanted you to know how sorry I feel for you. c and g and also lee know that casey killed CAYLEE why they keep putting up a front like they do is only for the money.jmho:wub:

[martha]

Good morning,

I have often thought that it was probably too far into her pregnancy for her to get an abortion. She seems to me that she just doesn't think far enough ahead and by then too late? I too wonder as some posted earlier that she seems like the type that if she had kept her pregnancy a secret, would have dumped the baby in the garbage, done, problem solved. IMO
You or so right that is what casey would have done had the baby and put in the garbage like she threw CAYLEE away like she was garbage.casey does not care anything about anyone but casey. That is the way cindy is. maybe that is the reason george got him a gf. maybe cindy was not a wife to him because she got her a bf while he was out of the house. I think g and c may split after this is over unless they stay togeather for the money that they have made of of this case or I mean of of CAYLEE. God rest her soul.We love you Caylee.jmho:wub:

[Dells]

Florida Bar clears Jose Baez of ethics charges
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-baez-cleared-by-bar-090109,0,7176801.story

The bar cleared JB re the 2 complaints filed by Dominic Casey. The bar found insufficient evidence.

One was regarding a conversation DC said he had with JB about doing something other than calling 911 if he found Caylee's body. The bar committee reviewed documents and interviewed JB and others. JB told the bar he did not recall that conversation.

The other issue was regarding DC being paid. JB told the bar he would review the invoices and discuss it with DC.

There is no mention of the complaint filed by Judge Strickland WFTV's reported April 8 http://www.wftv.com/news/19130417/detail.html

jmo

Thanks for the link.

Of course JB had to get that line in there about all the unsubstantiated allegations in this case that are being thrown around.:rolleyes: I wonder if he is counting all the unsubstantiated allegations the defense team is throwing around about all of Casey's innocent ex-friends?:sneaky: If I recall, it was JB himself that said in court something along the lines that Jesse Grund took a lie detector test because he was a suspect, when that wasn't the case at all. He took the LDT because he volunteered to do it. JB's smug attitude sickens me. Maybe something will come of the complaint that the judge files against him? One can hope.

[Dells]

Ooops my mistake. I just poured my lst cup of coffee, so bare with me....

I found the original post:


I have no idea. Could this be something from the defense? I can't imagine JB and Team allowing Casey to communicate with a judge.

Could it have been another inmate sentenced by Judge Evans sent him a letter to the Judge with information about Caylee's case and this is some type of discovery document?

:shrug:

I'm wondering if the letter isn't from another inmate. If it was from Casey to the judge wouldn't she be listed at the "defendant" and not an "inmate"? In either case, I am curious to know what is in that letter.

[Dells]

Good morning all. I came to check to see if Judge Strickland had ruled on the date of the trial for check charges and see the Bar has dismissed charges on the DC complaint. What a revolting development! I despise anything that gives Bozo an opportunity to gloat.

Bolding mine.....

So do I! He always takes it to the nth degree!:sneaky:

[101Spots]

Bolding mine.....

So do I! He always takes it to the nth degree!:sneaky:

The higher he gets........

............ the further he'll fall.

[BlueTurtle]

Florida Bar clears Jose Baez of ethics charges
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-baez-cleared-by-bar-090109,0,7176801.story


The bar committee reviewed documents and interviewed JB and others. JB told the bar he did not recall that conversation.

http://www.wftv.com/news/19130417/detail.html

jmo

How many times will he be able to get away with an excuse like this? Does the bar look at old cases to see if there is a trend in excuses?

[Dells]

Bar Clears Baez Of Ethics Complaint
Anthony's Defense Attorney Still Has 1 Active Complaint

From the article:

Although Baez has been cleared on Casey's complaint, there is still an open bar complaint against the attorney.

The complaint involves Baez's relationship with his former spokesman, a man known as Todd Black, who sent out press releases on Baez's behalf. Black was later discovered to be a convicted felon.

It is not clear when the investigation into that complaint will be complete.



http://www.clickorlando.com/news/20667422/detail.html

[Kathlb]

Bar Clears Baez Of Ethics Complaint
Anthony's Defense Attorney Still Has 1 Active Complaint

From the article:

Although Baez has been cleared on Casey's complaint, there is still an open bar complaint against the attorney.

The complaint involves Baez's relationship with his former spokesman, a man known as Todd Black, who sent out press releases on Baez's behalf. Black was later discovered to be a convicted felon.

It is not clear when the investigation into that complaint will be complete.



http://www.clickorlando.com/news/20667422/detail.html

I wonder if this is the one that Judge Strickland filed? It must be since it only alludes to one more. And it makes sense that he would file on this item since it really goes to conflict of interest and many other no-no's for an attorney handling a murder case. MOO

Edit... I read it and now see it's the Judge's complaint. I hope since he filed it, it will carry more weight than DC's complaint.

[Lapis]

I wonder if this is the one that Judge Strickland filed? It must be since it only alludes to one more. And it makes sense that he would file on this item since it really goes to conflict of interest and many other no-no's for an attorney handling a murder case. MOO

Edit... I read it and now see it's the Judge's complaint. I hope since he filed it, it will carry more weight than DC's complaint.

That's not the way I read it at all. I read it that Strickland forwarded the complaint re: DC not re: Todd Black. Based upon what we know and the timeline the DC complaint makes more sense. I doubt it carried any weight at all. I'm sure the complaint read something like: I have no personal knowledge but this is something that came to my attention and I am forwarding it to you for consideration. When DC filed his complaint Strickland's was no longer necessary. JMO

[desmom]

Bar Clears Baez Of Ethics Complaint
Anthony's Defense Attorney Still Has 1 Active Complaint

From the article:

Although Baez has been cleared on Casey's complaint, there is still an open bar complaint against the attorney.

The complaint involves Baez's relationship with his former spokesman, a man known as Todd Black, who sent out press releases on Baez's behalf. Black was later discovered to be a convicted felon.

It is not clear when the investigation into that complaint will be complete.



http://www.clickorlando.com/news/20667422/detail.html

From your link:

Bar letter #1: http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0901/20667147.pdf

Bar letter #2 http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0901/20667185.pdf

[spiritwolf46]

Oh honey I feel so sorry for you and know how bad you hurt. I have fibromyalgia too and so many days I have to just go back to bed. When I get up I can;t even walk or close my hands.sorry for the o/t but just wanted you to know how sorry I feel for you. c and g and also lee know that casey killed CAYLEE why they keep putting up a front like they do is only for the money.jmho:wub:


(((((HUGS))))) to you and adair! I also have it and it is a horrible thing to have! :wub:

Anyone hear when there may be a document drop? I have been really busy here and have to run off again, but thought that i would stop in to see if there is any news on a drop.

TIA all!!!! :wub:

[Lapis]

More than once I have heard complaints about State Bar Associations, especially where I live, California. My general understanding is they are under-funded and made up exclusively of other lawyers.

Fox watching the henhouse sort of thing.

Please anyone, feel free to correct me if I have an incorrect prospective.

I would check your facts. Most ethics panels are composed of attorneys and non-attorneys. I know that is true here in NJ and apparently in Florida. Read the letters from the Bar Association. JMO

[KittyMom]

What is it about Jose that gets away with so much??? :huh:

[KittyMom]

From your link:

Bar letter #1: http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0901/20667147.pdf

Bar letter #2 http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0901/20667185.pdf

So, basically, Jose's word was taken over DC's. :confused: Since when did Jose become so trustworthy?

[Roux]

From your link:

Bar letter #1: http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0901/20667147.pdf

Bar letter #2 http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0901/20667185.pdf

Is it just me but don't those letters seem poorly written? Something about them strikes me as odd. Regardless, it's a he said/he said scenario IMO. When DC is called to testify we may get the real truth.

[AnniePie]

What is it about Jose that gets away with so much??? :huh:

I dunno. The Anthonys do too. (So far.) :sad:

[Katprint]

I wonder if this is the one that Judge Strickland filed? It must be since it only alludes to one more. And it makes sense that he would file on this item since it really goes to conflict of interest and many other no-no's for an attorney handling a murder case. MOO

Edit... I read it and now see it's the Judge's complaint. I hope since he filed it, it will carry more weight than DC's complaint.
I expect the Judge was unhappy to have received an affidavit signed under oath by someone who doesn't exist i.e. there is no "Todd Black." So, who signed it? Baez himself? Convicted felon Gil Cabot? If it was signed by Gil Cabot pretending to be "Todd Black," is that something Baez should have known i.e. did Baez have a duty to know who he was really dealing with? There is a lot to investigate here, but I trust the Florida State Bar to get to the bottom of this.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Lapis]

So, basically, Jose's word was taken over DC's. :confused: Since when did Jose become so trustworthy?

The panel looks at evidence. The standard is high since you are affecting the attorney's livlihood. IMO it would take more than one person's allegation.

IIRC we had quite an extensive discussion at the time the complaints were filed and Katprint and I were in agreement that even if the facts were as stated by DC it would not necessarily constitute an ethical violation. But in this case as DC also filed a complaint that he was not paid for his services his testimony may have been tainted. Wasn't he also the one who told Hoover about the licorice incident which was debunked by the jail? I am sure the panel considered whether his complaint was truthful or was he just mad because his bill had not been paid. JMO

[Katprint]

Here's why you want Tim Miller and his people to be searching nearby wilderness areas for "alive" missing loved ones:

"Deputies Find Missing Woman In Weeds

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Two Orange County sheriff's deputies are being hailed as heroes after finding a missing 79-year-old woman lying in 2-feet-tall weeds on the side of an embankment. ..."

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/20650495/detail.html

The ONLY reason to be upset if someone is searching nearby wilderness areas for a missing loved one is if you are pretty sure that your "missing" loved one has been murdered by your no-good selfish spoiled brat loved one and you don't really want the body to be found.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Lapis]

Is it just me but don't those letters seem poorly written? Something about them strikes me as odd. Regardless, it's a he said/he said scenario IMO. When DC is called to testify we may get the real truth.

I don't think we will hear anything further. The judge has already sealed the interview with LE and DC on the basis that it was priviledged. JMO

[Kathlb]

That's not the way I read it at all. I read it that Strickland forwarded the complaint re: DC not re: Todd Black. Based upon what we know and the timeline the DC complaint makes more sense. I doubt it carried any weight at all. I'm sure the complaint read something like: I have no personal knowledge but this is something that came to my attention and I am forwarding it to you for consideration. When DC filed his complaint Strickland's was no longer necessary. JMO

Well, now I'm really confused. ;-) When they were filed, I thought it came out that DC's was about Baez telling him not to call 911 when and if he found the remains and that the Judge had filed one of his own. I've been waiting to hear what it was and just now read the links and thought it was about Todd Black and Baez' relationship and being involved with him. But you could be right of course. :unsure:

[101Spots]

From your link:

Bar letter #1: http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0901/20667147.pdf

Bar letter #2 http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0901/20667185.pdf

Are there no English Composition classes in Law Schools?

[Roux]

I don't think we will hear anything further. The judge has already sealed the interview with LE and DC on the basis that it was priviledged. JMO

DC will not be called testify at the trial? I have not looked at the witness list.

[Roux]

Nevermind Lapis. I had an old timer's moment -- DC is part of the Team! All is privilege.

[Lapis]

DC will not be called testify at the trial? I have not looked at the witness list.

Even if he is called to testify I sincerely doubt he will enlighten us any further on this issue. First, the judge has already determined that this issue and conversation is priviledged. Second, even if the conversation took place, the prosecution cannot use JB's words to convict Casey. This is hearsay and inadmissible. JMO

[Lapis]

Hmmm....It looks like the Ethics Committee in Ca are all required to be attorney's.

http://www.calbar.ca.gov/state/calbar/calbar_generic.jsp?cid=10159&id=1274#top

Then California needs to become more enlightened. LOL

[*Serenity*]

Just doing a drive-by checking in to see if any new docs have been released. Looks like a slow news day with the posts here.

Hopefully something soon..... I would have thought the media would have been all over getting the new doc-dump. LOL I may have to start paying the media to do their jobs next. :biggrin:

[Katprint]

Hmmm....It looks like the Ethics Committee in Ca are all required to be attorney's.

http://www.calbar.ca.gov/state/calbar/calbar_generic.jsp?cid=10159&id=1274#top
I guess it depends on how you define attorneys. If someone was once an attorney and then becomes a judge, are they still an attorney? The vast majority of judges were once attorneys. Would you want a judge deciding YOUR case if they have not gone to law school, practiced law and learned the appropriate civil/criminal procedural rules, rules of evidence, applicable statutes, etc.? I vote no, I want my case decided by someone who knows the law.

According to §6079.1 State Bar Court Hearing Judges, section 2: "Judges of the State Bar Court appointed under this section shall not engage in the private practice of law." Is someone still an attorney if they have given up practicing law because they have become a judge? I vote no, they are now a "judge" not an "attorney."

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[BlueTurtle]

I expect the Judge was unhappy to have received an affidavit signed under oath by someone who doesn't exist i.e. there is no "Todd Black." So, who signed it? Baez himself? Convicted felon Gil Cabot? If it was signed by Gil Cabot pretending to be "Todd Black," is that something Baez should have known i.e. did Baez have a duty to know who he was really dealing with? There is a lot to investigate here, but I trust the Florida State Bar to get to the bottom of this.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

In Iowa, I have to have my daughter's guardianship yearly updates be notarized in order to file the papers. Do all items filed with the court have to notarized as to the person submitting the paperwork? It costs me $10 to have it filed with the court.

[breezie]

Are there no English Composition classes in Law Schools?


geez...if their investigative skills match their writing skills, Florida is in trouble.

I hope anyone that gets involved with Bozo from now on wears a wire.

[happygert]

any news on the chck fraud ruling?

[really3997]

I expect the Judge was unhappy to have received an affidavit signed under oath by someone who doesn't exist i.e. there is no "Todd Black." So, who signed it? Baez himself? Convicted felon Gil Cabot? If it was signed by Gil Cabot pretending to be "Todd Black," is that something Baez should have known i.e. did Baez have a duty to know who he was really dealing with? There is a lot to investigate here, but I trust the Florida State Bar to get to the bottom of this.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

So all Beaz has to say is that he does not recall this and he is off the hook again.:confused:

[ttcRider]

So all Beaz has to say is that he does not recall this and he is off the hook again.:confused:

Sounds like the same advice that was given to George...:glare:

[101Spots]

So all Beaz has to say is that he does not recall this and he is off the hook again.:confused:

Yeah, Jose was playing dumb. Not exactly a stretch for him.

[breezie]

So all Beaz has to say is that he does not recall this and he is off the hook again.:confused:

I don't think it's so much that they believe Bozo, as DC had to prove his allegation before it could be considered. Evidently, he has learned to wear a wire before dealing with this type of ::cough:: attorney again.

[Jeepers]

What I have a problem with is Casey being the way she is, then why did she not go to a facility that would have killed her baby for her. I hate to use that term but I don't believe in abortion unless it is a health issue for the mother. (but that's another Oprah)

In any event, Casey could have gone to planned parenthood and that would have been it. That would have been her selfish "throwaway".
I can't imagine Casey even thinking twice about wanting the baby when she learned she was pregnant.
jmo


Sorry to be so late responding. Casey could have even taken birth control, etc. but the require would require her do something. Being responsible was never one of Casey's traits. Lenny at the very beginning when everyone knew that Caylee was dead told everyone LE and TV viewers that Casey would not bury her or walk into marsh area because she was too lazy.

He was right. She just pulled over and dumped her like a sack of garbage.

[bchand]

Is it just me but don't those letters seem poorly written? Something about them strikes me as odd. Regardless, it's a he said/he said scenario IMO. When DC is called to testify we may get the real truth.

The first thing I noticed was the error in the name.

"what action you would take if you located the whereabouts of CASEY Marie Anthony."

Casey was in jail - he didn't have to look far to locate HER.

[Jeepers]

OK - then Cindy knew about the smell before leaving the towyard.

I'm still trying to remember if she washed Casey's slacks and tried to clean the car before she called Amy and went to TonE's. If so, she was more worried about covering the smell than finding Casey/Caylee.

In their statements to LE, did either George or Cindy give a timeline including details about cleaning the car?

Did Cindy already "know" Caylee was gone, because she smelled the decomp in the car at the towyard? (The knowing would probably be suspicion because I'd expect a lot of denial to be at work.)

I don't remember the exact time but I recall them getting the car trying to clean it up Cindy went back to work.
I think Cindy knew when she smelled the car. She had been texting and calling Casey. She knew that Casey was not out of town and never had been at that point. Lee remember tracked her to the Dragon Club but, Casey escaped from him. He told Cindy she was not in Jacksonville.
When speaking about the smell in the car, George did not want to upset Cindy with grim news when she asked what the smell was he said pizza.

[Bala]

Yeah, Jose was playing dumb. Not exactly a stretch for him.
If Baez truly said he doesn't remember a conversation in which he told anyone to not call the police but him if they came across Caylee's body, the bar should know he's lying. Who would forget a conversation like that? I guess all Casey has to say is she doesn't remember if she killed Caylee and in Florida she'll get off. How Sad.

[Katprint]

In Iowa, I have to have my daughter's guardianship yearly updates be notarized in order to file the papers. Do all items filed with the court have to notarized as to the person submitting the paperwork? It costs me $10 to have it filed with the court.
Generally, affidavits do not need to be notarized; they are merely signed "under penalty of perjury." I have signed hundreds and probably thousands of declarations/affidavits, mostly swearing that the documents attached as exhibits to my motions were true and accurate copies of the originals but occasionally swearing that certain relevant facts were true and that I had personal knowledge of those facts or alternatively that where certain facts had been stated on information and belief that I really believed those facts to be true.

When an attorney gives a document to the court, for example a copy of a medical record attached as an exhibit to a legal brief, the attorney is vouching for the genuineness of the document. An attorney who intentionally gives bogus documents to the court is subject to discipline. However, every experienced attorney has a story about being duped (usually by a client) into giving a bogus document to the court and how they dealt with that situation when they discovered it. PM me and I'll tell you my "lying client" story LOL. The gray area is the extent to hold the attorney responsible for the authenticity of the documents he is vouching for i.e. what effort must the attorney make? Must he check the drivers' license of everyone who signs an affidavit for him, like a notary public does? Maybe, but probably not. Must he truly believe that they are who they say they are? Absolutely.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Bala]

Katprint if there is a conviction and heaven forbid it is overturned by reason of ineffective counsel who bares the burden for this Lyons or Baez? Is there some kind of fall out with the bar if this happens.

[Katprint]

So all Beaz has to say is that he does not recall this and he is off the hook again.:confused:
Baez has a duty to recall. He has a duty to keep records. Saying that he does not recall how an affidavit on Baez' pleading letterhead that Baez' submitted to the court in support of Baez' opposition came to be signed is not going to be sufficient.

If Baez signed it himself or had it signed by one of his law office employees then he's toast. If someone who had been pretending to be Todd Black on the telephone came in and introduced himself as Todd Black, maybe handed Baez a business card that said, "Todd Black - Public Relations Spokesman," and signed "Todd Black" on the affidavit then Baez is probably off the hook. I think the Florida State Bar investigators will chat with Baez, Baez' clerical staff, convicted felon Gil Cabot and the 4 other people at Gil Cabot's company who apparently used the pseudonym "Todd Black." When the investigators figure out what really happened, they will report to the Florida State Bar which will take any appropriate disciplinary measures.

It is possible that Baez may get a private reprimand for such a minor 1st time infraction in which case we will not hear about it at all. It would merely remain in his file, and would count as an aggravating circumstance the next time Baez screws up.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Katprint]

Katprint if there is a conviction and heaven forbid it is overturned by reason of ineffective counsel who bares the burden for this Lyons or Baez? Is there some kind of fall out with the bar if this happens.
Nothing happens to the defense attorney if a conviction is overturned by reason if ineffective counsel. No fall out with the bar.

"Misconduct" by an attorney is often quite different than "ineffectiveness." An attorney can commit misconduct (for example, withholding adverse evidence that he has been ordered to turn over) without committing ineffectiveness, and vice versa.

In addition, the right to counsel (effective or otherwise) is a right that can be waived. I think one of the reasons the judge ordered that Casey was to start attending the hearings was to prevent her from stating in the future that she was unaware of how her chosen attorney was performing. Casey has amassed quite the team of lawyers now; if she chooses to be represented primarily by the least competent of the bunch then that is a knowing and voluntary waiver. This is not a situation where the court let Casey go unrepresented by counsel or appointed an ineffective attorney to represent her. The judge cannot force her to accept effective counsel just like you and I cannot be forced to vote (although we cannot lawfully be deprived of our right to vote.)

Also, I suspect a lot of what we see going on in the Casey Anthony case is an uncontrolled client who does not necessarily do what her attorneys tell her. Her little handwritten insult added to her affidavit last fall is a pretty good example; if Baez had wanted her affidavit to say that then he would have had his secretary type it there in the first place. The other attorneys representing Casey have more experience controlling their clients so hopefully this situation will improve.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Jeepers]

Here is the interview with George, the car being towed, Cindy saying to bring gas, George telling Cindy to meet him there with money. George smelling the car etc.
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0730/20224422.pdf

[Jeepers]

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0730/20224404.pdf

This is the interview with George talking about when they found out Casey was pregnant.

[Adonna]

I agree. casey was not out of gas that day, she just had to get rid of that car. It smelled like rotten pizza in her trunk! (sorry, couldn't resist) If she had run out of gas would not the people who helped her push her car have pushed it off the road - period? Maybe into a parking lot but certainly not up against a dumpster so perfectly. Besides - if I had helped push a stinky car and the driver told me to put it next to this dumpster I think I would be saying....hmmmmmm:sneaky: Where are these phantom car pushers? Certainly they've read about this case. She was just unlucky for this one. She wanted the stinky car stolen, hence the purse or wallet, or whatever it was - right there on the seat. Poor dear. Her luck ran out :thumbup:

It's possible Casey couldn't remember how much gas was left in the tank. George certainly wouldn't want to take a chance of having to drive to a gas station with the odor coming from the trunk incase there wasn't enough gas to get him home. JMO

[bchand]

From MyOrangeClerk.com/myclerk

9/1/2009 Notice of Hearing FOURTH Notice of Hearing FERNANDEZ-GONZALEZ ZENAIDA


Back on June 30th it said =

Notice of Hearing 09/09/2009 3:15pm

[Bala]

Nothing happens to the defense attorney if a conviction is overturned by reason if ineffective counsel. No fall out with the bar.

"Misconduct" by an attorney is often quite different than "ineffectiveness." An attorney can commit misconduct (for example, withholding adverse evidence that he has been ordered to turn over) without committing ineffectiveness, and vice versa.

In addition, the right to counsel (effective or otherwise) is a right that can be waived. I think one of the reasons the judge ordered that Casey was to start attending the hearings was to prevent her from stating in the future that she was unaware of how her chosen attorney was performing. Casey has amassed quite the team of lawyers now; if she chooses to be represented primarily by the least competent of the bunch then that is a knowing and voluntary waiver. This is not a situation where the court let Casey go unrepresented by counsel or appointed an ineffective attorney to represent her. The judge cannot force her to accept effective counsel just like you and I cannot be forced to vote (although we cannot lawfully be deprived of our right to vote.)

Also, I suspect a lot of what we see going on in the Casey Anthony case is an uncontrolled client who does not necessarily do what her attorneys tell her. Her little handwritten insult added to her affidavit last fall is a pretty good example; if Baez had wanted her affidavit to say that then he would have had his secretary type it there in the first place. The other attorneys representing Casey have more experience controlling their clients so hopefully this situation will improve.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions
Thanks Katprint you sure help make it a lot easier to understand the entire trial process. I'm sure looking forward to your and Lapis's opinions on the proceedings during trial.

[bchand]

The inmate who wrote the letter to "whoever is defending Casey Anthony" wrote another one to "Judge Evans"

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20669845/detail.html

He's just dying to tell someone who killed Caylee.


eta: His first letter - http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20533041/detail.html

[Jeepers]

I have always wondered why the tow yards folks did not call LE when they towed the car. One of the guys was talking about a car they had in their lot that someone had to committed suicide in it and was talking about the smell of that car. They knew the smell of decomp too.

I think I would have made a call LE if I knew that smell.

[Adonna]

I clearly think Casey killed Caylee but I do have to wonder if he was talked to. I notice the court office stamped it "received."

Katprint, don't they have to follow up on this. Is it not their obligation to do so? I mean, it's obvious he's a nut ball but...
jmo

It appears that even the defense isn't taking him serious so why the second letter?

[BlueTurtle]

I have always wondered why the tow yards folks did not call LE when they towed the car. One of the guys was talking about a car they had in their lot that someone had to committed suicide in it and was talking about the smell of that car. They knew the smell of decomp too.

I think I would have made a call LE if I knew that smell.


It might be the day it was towed, it wasn't as bad as when George came to get it. Some people don't smell things as much as other people. It might have been made worse by opening the trunk.

[Jeepers]

Yes but that was found with the dead guy in it. I don't think they just came upon it and towed it. They must have found the guy in it.
I remember a story the very same. In fact, when I read this it was quite erie.
My husband worked for OPG 30 some years ago when he first got out of school.
He said a guy committed suicide and it was in a "Volkswagon" and he weighed about 300 pounds. My husband was called to tow the car away and the guy has been dead for about 4 days. EEK!
Anyway,he said the smell was so offensive. The coroners got there and it took a long time to get him out in one piece.
(He shot himself)
I know this is gross but my point is, the tow truck driver (My husband at the time) was there to just pick up the car and deliver it to the police tow yard.:crying:

How awful, sad, and unnerving for him. That experience must have stayed with him for a long time.

I am glad that the tow guy did remember later about the trash and tried to retrieve it but LE already got it from the tow lot.

[Jeepers]

They sure have been awful silent lately. Wonder whats going down. Hmmmm.:confused:

Maybe someone finally convinced them to shut their peeps up. Maybe finally they took someone's sound advice.
Maybe they are too busy trying to find Caylee with Kidfinder guy Milstead
Maybe they are at the bank cashing in their change cans with Caylee is Missing photo on the front.

I think the depositions got them rattled. They have been pretty low key since that happened.

I have been reading back for several days now. Since day 31 to present, it really made me so sad. George started out telling LE the truth and I really thought he would continue to do so. As the transcripts mounted up the truth started to slowly slip away to just out and out lies.
Cindy was in the lying mode from the very start. I just had wish George could have stood his ground.

[101Spots]

I have always wondered why the tow yards folks did not call LE when they towed the car. One of the guys was talking about a car they had in their lot that someone had to committed suicide in it and was talking about the smell of that car. They knew the smell of decomp too.

I think I would have made a call LE if I knew that smell.

IIRC, the operator who towed the car from Amscot had a cold, and said he wasn't smelling *anything* that day. The car was left out back in the lot, so people weren't standing next to it every day. Plus, the smell was mostly in the interior of the car. I'm not surprised they didn't do anything.

[101Spots]

Maybe someone finally convinced them to shut their peeps up. Maybe finally they took someone's sound advice.
Maybe they are too busy trying to find Caylee with Kidfinder guy Milstead
Maybe they are at the bank cashing in their change cans with Caylee is Missing photo on the front.

I think the depositions got them rattled. They have been pretty low key since that happened.

I have been reading back for several days now. Since day 31 to present, it really made me so sad. George started out telling LE the truth and I really thought he would continue to do so. As the transcripts mounted up the truth started to slowly slip away to just out and out lies.
Cindy was in the lying mode from the very start. I just had wish George could have stood his ground.

Maybe Andrea stapled their lips together.

[crimeq]

Here is the interview with George, the car being towed, Cindy saying to bring gas, George telling Cindy to meet him there with money. George smelling the car etc.
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0730/20224422.pdf

Thanks Jeepers -- so Cindy smelled the car before leaving the towyard. That's what I was trying to remember.

Interesting to read this statement again; thanks for posting the link!

[Bala]

Can anyone tell me if the LE ever interviewed G's cop friend that was staying with them while Casey was out on bond. I don't remember his name but he's the one that told G that the answer to what happened to Caylee were in the other room meaning Casey's room.

[Jeepers]

George took a position as in survival. If he would have stood his ground, Cindy would have pulled it out from under him. In fact, he'd be out of the house by now.

That would be interesting if they were on totally different sides as far as the truth.:smile:

That would be interesting and would have been the right thing for George to have done. He should have stood up for Caylee.
George is gonna be out the door when this is over anyway. That is just what my crystal ball is saying.

[Jeepers]

Can anyone tell me if the LE ever interviewed G's cop friend that was staying with them while Casey was out on bond. I don't remember his name but he's the one that told G that the answer to what happened to Caylee were in the other room meaning Casey's room.

I remember him, he was from Ohio. I don't think I have seen anything on him. I don't remember anything really being said about him except the comment he made to George. Where did I read that comment...mmmm
Anyone else remember this guy?

[101Spots]

I remember him, he was from Ohio. I don't think I have seen anything on him. I don't remember anything really being said about him except the comment he made to George. Where did I read that comment...mmmm
Anyone else remember this guy?

Jim Campbell?

[AnniePie]

Oh good grief...put this guy in a padded cell and take all writing materials away from him.

I so agree.

(Does one really need to download these articles? Is there a way that you can read them without downloading them?)

[Pruddennce]

Thanks Jeepers -- so Cindy smelled the car before leaving the towyard. That's what I was trying to remember.

Interesting to read this statement again; thanks for posting the link!

thanks from me as well. and linked again since Im referencing it:

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0730/20224422.pdf

what is more interesting is that George is recalling what he thought at that time: That there might be a dead caylee in the trunk.

now why would he think that if THEY BELIEVED everything that Casey was telling them about where she was staying...

and real interesting to me: when it is stated to him in the linked interview above about Casey talking about the abduction in the park, about being pushed to the ground and Caylee being taken from her, (he says to GA, we can watch the visitation video)......<------Ive never seen a visitation video with Casey giving her new and improved version......have I?????? has anyone?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[Jeepers]

I remember him, he was from Ohio. I don't think I have seen anything on him. I don't remember anything really being said about him except the comment he made to George. Where did I read that comment...mmmm
Anyone else remember this guy?

I had it backwards; George told his friend from Ohio :
The answer is in that room

Ok, his name was never mentioned. Here is the link to NG and Lenny talking:

PADILLA: Exactly. At that the stage of the game, they were as interested in getting information as anybody else. George one night just lost it and went in there and almost got physical with her because he wanted to know what happened to his granddaughter. Where`s my granddaughter? He told his friend from Ohio, he told him one day, he says, The answer is in that room. They were desperate for information.At that stage of the game, Cindy and George were just as anxious as the detectives to find out what had happened to their granddaughter and the whole thing. As far as George believing that he could get a private meeting with his daughter, that`s something in law enforcement which is called professional courtesy. It doesn`t matter what the charges are or anything.

GRACE: Ah, OK.

Source:

NANCY GRACE

Casey`s Handwritten Note to Sheriff Revealed

Aired April 1, 2009 - 20:00:00 ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED

[Jeepers]

Jim Campbell?

Thank you, Have you seen anything else about him?

[Sun]

From MyOrangeClerk.com/myclerk

9/1/2009 Notice of Hearing FOURTH Notice of Hearing FERNANDEZ-GONZALEZ ZENAIDA


Back on June 30th it said =

Notice of Hearing 09/09/2009 3:15pm

Thanks bchand, for finding and posting this latest entry. I'm not entirely sure what it means, though suspect that it is the fourth time/date that Morgan/Mitnik has tried for (with no cooperation from Conway or Kasen). I believe that Kasen earlier indicated a Sept 9th court date to hear his motion to dismiss/stay. It looks to me like Kasen's motion to dismiss/stay and Morgan/Mitnik's motions may all be heard on the same day. If so, it is likely to be a crowded courtroom of attorneys.

I still wonder how come he's not yet been able to drag DCasey back before the Judge, for refusing to attend a scheduled depo.

[Julie Dupree]

Didn't know if you had read this or not....have not had time to go thru today's post.

Seems George and Cindy are having some trouble with JB

http://www.wesh.com/news/20672110/detail.html

More on that subject:

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/09/casey-anthony-.html

[Jeepers]

thanks from me as well. and linked again since Im referencing it:

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0730/20224422.pdf

what is more interesting is that George is recalling what he thought at that time: That there might be a dead caylee in the trunk.

now why would he think that if THEY BELIEVED everything that Casey was telling them about where she was staying...

and real interesting to me: when it is stated to him in the linked interview above about Casey talking about the abduction in the park, about being pushed to the ground and Caylee being taken from her, (he says to GA, we can watch the visitation video)......<------Ive never seen a visitation video with Casey giving her new and improved version......have I?????? has anyone?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

I have not seen that video and I have been reading back for days.

In that link above. George continues talking with LE about him and Cindy searching the backyard and talking about the pool ladder. They knew imo that Caylee was dead when they found the car. Cindy had been in contact with Casey she just could not make Casey bring Caylee home. When the car was found They knew. Cindy really knew the night she brought Casey home from TonE's and she was pacing in the front yard when George got home she told him we lost her. They knew she was really gone at that point!
jmo

[Sun]

thanks from me as well. and linked again since Im referencing it:

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0730/20224422.pdf

what is more interesting is that George is recalling what he thought at that time: That there might be a dead caylee in the trunk.

now why would he think that if THEY BELIEVED everything that Casey was telling them about where she was staying...

and real interesting to me: when it is stated to him in the linked interview above about Casey talking about the abduction in the park, about being pushed to the ground and Caylee being taken from her, (he says to GA, we can watch the visitation video)......<------Ive never seen a visitation video with Casey giving her new and improved version......have I?????? has anyone?
IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

bbm
I've never seen a visitation video or audio with Casey giving that info. The Anthonys (cindy george & lee) didn't get their stories straight about just "when" they first heard it.

[Jeepers]

In lite of this information about what George said, do you suppose he did see Caylee and Casey the morning of the 16th.:confused:

I don't think so. jmo There was so much confusion about the date of June 9 and June 15th being the day they visited Cindy's dad in Mt Dora. I think George was either lying or confused about seeing Caylee that morning of the 16th. It had been 31 days since he last saw Caylee at that point there would be no reason for him to remember that particular morning.
Just saying, Men are really not that good with girls clothing details all the way down to her little monkey backpack too much information imo.

There was a report I have not been able to verify who said it. Lenny was talking about someone seeing Casey in a hotel parking lot the early hours of June 15th/16th before daylight talking on her cell phone.

[Pruddennce]

Jim Campbell?

http://www.cayleemarieanthonyfoundation.net/id40.htm

"Old Partners"

GA was asked at the last hearing about his buddy who visited....you are correct. (GA of course didnt see the relevancy of that question) :D

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=casey%20anthony%20hearing%208%2F21&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wv#q=casey+anthony+hearing+8/21&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wv&start=10

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[sully]

Casey Anthony cut off from 'fed up' George, Cindy, WESH reports
posted by halboedeker on Sep 1, 2009 6:09:46 PM

Casey Anthony is no longer getting any letters from her parents, and George and Cindy Anthony are fed up, WESH-Channel 2 reported today.

Defense attorney Jose Baez has controlled the correspondence between his client and her parents, Brad Conway, the attorney for the parents, told WESH's Bob Kealing.

But George and Cindy Anthony plan to start mailing letters to their daughter despite Baez, Conway said. "It's been terrible all along for them," Conway said. Andrea Lyon, the new defense attorney, says the parents should have a video visit with their daughter, Conway said.

Baez did not respond to WESH, Kealing said.

Article:
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/ent...-anthony-.html

[justitia]

Hey all....Please bare with me, I am new at this...lol...I would like to say in reading all of your comments--seems to me you all have been doing your homework too on this case...I have two questions, does anyone know when the latest docs will be released to the public? And I think that Leonard Padilla is going to be a great witness for the prosecution! Do You? Thanks for your patience and any replies....All Best,
Justitia....

[101Spots]

Thank you, Have you seen anything else about him?

I think Lenny mentioned him a few times, but always in the same context.

[Julie Dupree]

One more link for JB news...

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/09/casey-anthony-jose-baez-says-ethics-allegations-motivate-him-to-fight-harder-for-client-who-says-she.html

[101Spots]

Didn't know if you had read this or not....have not had time to go thru today's post.

Seems George and Cindy are having some trouble with JB

http://www.wesh.com/news/20672110/detail.html

More on that subject:

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/09/casey-anthony-.html

I **KNEW** it! Baez was in his "divide and conquer" mode. He was the one who was preventing the visits.

Payback is a bi........ real tough thing, eh, Jose? :lol: :lol:

[Scampi]

Didn't know if you had read this or not....have not had time to go thru today's post.

Seems George and Cindy are having some trouble with JB

http://www.wesh.com/news/20672110/detail.html

More on that subject:

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/09/casey-anthony-.html

Thanks for the info Julie. I love this line:
Andrea Lyon agrees that the Anthonys should be able to have a video visit with Casey Anthony.

Well then Andrea, by all means roll george and cindy into the jail to see the OC............lol.

[Julie Dupree]

I **KNEW** it! Baez was in his "divide and conquer" mode. He was the one who was preventing the visits.

Payback is a bi........ real tough thing, eh, Jose? :lol: :lol:

Wonder how big the fight was between JB and AL over the Anthony's coming to visit.
She says yes
He says NO
Should be interesting to see who wins:)
(I bet she does)

[Julie Dupree]

Thanks for the info Julie. I love this line:
Andrea Lyon agrees that the Anthonys should be able to have a video visit with Casey Anthony.

Well then Andrea, by all means roll george and cindy into the jail to see the OC............lol.

:) one of those priceless moments

[101Spots]

One more link for JB news...

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/09/casey-anthony-jose-baez-says-ethics-allegations-motivate-him-to-fight-harder-for-client-who-says-she.html

From your link:

"That feeling [being wrongly accused] evidently has cemented the bond between Baez and his client."

barf

[farrahrani]

Maybe someone finally convinced them to shut their peeps up. Maybe finally they took someone's sound advice.
Maybe they are too busy trying to find Caylee with Kidfinder guy Milstead
Maybe they are at the bank cashing in their change cans with Caylee is Missing photo on the front.

I think the depositions got them rattled. They have been pretty low key since that happened.

I have been reading back for several days now. Since day 31 to present, it really made me so sad. George started out telling LE the truth and I really thought he would continue to do so. As the transcripts mounted up the truth started to slowly slip away to just out and out lies.
Cindy was in the lying mode from the very start. I just had wish George could have stood his ground.


I definitely think it was Lyons that shut them up. Nejames couldn't do it, neither could Baez (especially since he was all over the media himself), nor could Conway. I think Lyons pounded the fear of the death penalty into all of them. Or threatened to walk if they didn't do things her way. As she has a proven track record, and a strong personality, the last thing anyone wants to do is pizz her off and lose their best hope of getting the DP off the table.

As far as George being honest in the beginning...I think it was just a matter of him confirming what he knew that LE already figured out on their own. He gave them no information that they would not have gotten eventually anyway. I think that was George's con man persona slipping through. Giving a little info and trying to build up his cred with LE, and reminding them he was once in their shoes, hoping to build up some kind of buddy thing, and maybe get a little advance info, or maybe get in their good graces. Well, that didn't work, lol.

JMO

[101Spots]

Wonder how big the fight was between JB and AL over the Anthony's coming to visit.
She says yes
He says NO
Should be interesting to see who wins:)
(I bet she does)

My vision:

AL says Yes.
JB whines, kicks, and has a hissy fit.

And Gorgeous *will* get her letters.

[Julie Dupree]

From your link:

"That feeling [being wrongly accused] evidently has cemented the bond between Baez and his client."

barf

I don't know why I am constantly amazed by anything he says...but he comes out with something like this, and I shake my head in utter amazement just like the first time I heard him say something stupid.

[Justice4all]

Thanks for the info Julie. I love this line:
Andrea Lyon agrees that the Anthonys should be able to have a video visit with Casey Anthony.

Well then Andrea, by all means roll george and cindy into the jail to see the OC............lol.

I would pay money to watch that lol

[Julie Dupree]

I would pay money to watch that lol

Do you think they will go if they get the invitation?

[101Spots]

Do you think they will go if they get the invitation?

Actually, I look for Gorgeous to refuse the visit. From her attitude in the last hearing, I think Jose has her brainwashed into believing she can't say one word if she wants to beat this rap. If she keeps mum, she'll be free to walk on the beach in Miami.

[Pruddennce]

I definitely think it was Lyons that shut them up. Nejames couldn't do it, neither could Baez (especially since he was all over the media himself), nor could Conway. I think Lyons pounded the fear of the death penalty into all of them. Or threatened to walk if they didn't do things her way. As she has a proven track record, and a strong personality, the last thing anyone wants to do is pizz her off and lose their best hope of getting the DP off the table.

As far as George being honest in the beginning...I think it was just a matter of him confirming what he knew that LE already figured out on their own. He gave them no information that they would not have gotten eventually anyway. I think that was George's con man persona slipping through. Giving a little info and trying to build up his cred with LE, and reminding them he was once in their shoes, hoping to build up some kind of buddy thing, and maybe get a little advance info, or maybe get in their good graces. Well, that didn't work, lol.

JMO

I agree with you farrahrani.....GA was on a fishing expedition when he did his 'smell talk and knew what it was'....then he asked LE to advise him FIRST of 'anything' so he can 'prepare' Cindy...*as if GA can actually REASON with the devil*

...we all saw the outcome...

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[farrahrani]

Do you think they will go if they get the invitation?


I think they will. I am certain this was Lyon's idea and an interesting tactic. Up until now, everyone has been talking about the lack of visitation and speculation about sneaking letters into the jail. Everyone here knows that the Anthony's cannot control themselves even when they KNOW they will be recorded. So while Baez is mostly correct in barring visitation, it clearly sends a message that Casey is so guilty and so out of control she can't be trusted to have a visit without cementing public opinion against her even further.

So of course Lyons is probably scripting a family get together as we type, lol. It will mostly be, 'how are you doing?' and chattering that Lyons deems appropriate for a young grieving mother. Mention of Caylee in a more tasteful way will finally be made, updates on family events, and community stuff. Maybe a pathetic attempt to remind the public of what Casey is missing, the sense of community with neighbors, and the need for her family's support.


If I'm right, it's a pretty good idea, JMO.

[Bala]

Didn't know if you had read this or not....have not had time to go thru today's post.

Seems George and Cindy are having some trouble with JB

http://www.wesh.com/news/20672110/detail.html

More on that subject:

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/09/casey-anthony-.html
I think Baez has been keeping the A's away from Casey to keep control of Casey. She has become totally dependant on him for any news from her family for a very long time. It would be very interesting to know if Casey has ever received any news from her parents at all. Has Baez led her to believe they turned their backs on her thus the cold shoulder in court. I think there should be a police investigation into just what Baez has been up to.

[desmom]

Here is the interview with George, the car being towed, Cindy saying to bring gas, George telling Cindy to meet him there with money. George smelling the car etc.
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0730/20224422.pdf

Some of this is familiar, but there parts of it I don't remember reading. Brain don't fail me now!

Thanks for link Jeepers! :seeya:

[Julie Dupree]

Actually, I look for Gorgeous to refuse the visit. From her attitude in the last hearing, I think Jose has her brainwashed into believing she can't say one word if she wants to beat this rap. If she keeps mum, she'll be free to walk on the beach in Miami.


You may be right on this-- she did not show much of I "want to spend some time with you" look at the last hearing.
Will be interesting to see this played out.
I wonder if she does refuse if AL will "encourage" her to have a short visit?

[Pruddennce]

I think Baez has been keeping the A's away from Casey to keep control of Casey. She has become totally dependant on him for any news from her family for a very long time. It would be very interesting to know if Casey has ever received any news from her parents at all. Has Baez led her to believe they turned their backs on her thus the cold shoulder in court. I think there should be a police investigation into just what Baez has been up to.

IMO, Casey cannot be trusted. she is a boiling pot. was and still is.

her meltdown visitation video is evidence of how she cannot control herself. I dont see a visitation occurring. AL doesnt understand what she is dealing with...A PSYCHOPATH who can freak out at any minute....

she would risk an 'air talk' visit with her parents? Casey is FUMING, has been and always will be.

AL doesnt understand the family dynamics.....she better stay out of that dynamic.........she is case law...not a shrink. Casey couldnt be trusted to nurture her own child....she expects her to suddenly 'play the family game' after that damaging August visitation...?

I dont see it happening.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[desmom]

Hey all....Please bare with me, I am new at this...lol...I would like to say in reading all of your comments--seems to me you all have been doing your homework too on this case...I have two questions, does anyone know when the latest docs will be released to the public? And I think that Leonard Padilla is going to be a great witness for the prosecution! Do You? Thanks for your patience and any replies....All Best,
Justitia....

Welcome to the Boards Justitia! :seeya:

We do not have an exact date for the next doc dump. One of the news outlets, WESH I think, said late this week or next week the state would be releasing Lenny Padilla and Team's interviews with LE. Because they were in audio form when given to Judge Strickland, we will probably get them in audio too. Secretly, I am hoping for a transcribed copy.

Lenny will be a good witness if the attorneys can keep him on track with just the facts. I am more interested in what Tracey McLaughlin will have to say.

jmo

[101Spots]

Oh, I think they have been passing letters back and forth between Baez for awhile now. I think this is the reason for the new sign...


The WESH reporter called attention to a new sign at Orange County jail warning attorneys that personal letters are contraband, and said that policy was having "a ripple effect" on the Anthonys. Casey Anthony is charged with the first-degree murder of her daughter, Caylee.

So, maybe a video visit is the only thing left now..

I wonder how many letters from Cindy and George actually made it to the intended recipient? Now I'm not sayin' that Jose was pocketing the letters and not giving them to her. :rolleyes: Heck, a hungry goat could have eaten them.

[ttcRider]

I wonder how many letters from Cindy and George actually made it to the intended recipient? Now I'm not sayin' that Jose was pocketing the letters and not giving them to her. :rolleyes: Heck, a hungry goat could have eaten them.

I was just going to ask whether that was allowed.. hammer this case is making me go 'Cindy'!

[Bala]

What if Baez hasn't been giving her her letters from her parents? What if he's been isolating her from her family in order to control her and insure his place as her attorney? Could this blow up in every one's face if she's convicted and uses this to say she wasn't in her right mind at the time because undue stress brought on by not having access to her family?

[djmsmom]

I think AL knows that Casey giving C and G the cold shoulder in court make her look like the B**** she is, and thinks they could have a visit to just discuss current events. How is Lee, who all has called to wish her luck, things like that. but she doesn't realise that Casey and Cindy are all about how they feel and nobody else. And if they try to follow the scripts Cindy thought up, they kept changing.

[crimeq]

thanks from me as well. and linked again since Im referencing it:

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0730/20224422.pdf

what is more interesting is that George is recalling what he thought at that time: That there might be a dead caylee in the trunk.

now why would he think that if THEY BELIEVED everything that Casey was telling them about where she was staying...

and real interesting to me: when it is stated to him in the linked interview above about Casey talking about the abduction in the park, about being pushed to the ground and Caylee being taken from her, (he says to GA, we can watch the visitation video)......<------Ive never seen a visitation video with Casey giving her new and improved version......have I?????? has anyone?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

Hi Pru, George was reacting primarily from knowing that smell of decomp. It comes up over and over in his interview, and then he couples it with not wanting it to be his granddaughter. But he knew it was--he knew it all, right then--and he's struggling terribly with himself. He's displaying true denial in this interview: he knows the truth, he can see it all, but he doesn't want to believe it.

[desmom]

From the link Jeepers provided: http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0730/20224422.pdf

George trashes Jesse pages 26 - 31 and then switches gears and talks about the guys he would like to see his daughter marry.

Ryan Pasley bottom of page 31 - 33

Adam Lynch on page 33

Amazing! :eek:

jmo

[101Spots]

From the link Jeepers provided: http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0730/20224422.pdf

George trashes Jesse pages 26 - 31 and then switches gears and talks about the guys he would like to see his daughter marry.

Ryan Pasley bottom of page 31 - 33

Adam Lynch on page 33

Amazing! :eek:

jmo

I'm surprised Prince Harry isn't on the "good" list. :rolleyes:

[crimeq]

Didn't know if you had read this or not....have not had time to go thru today's post.

Seems George and Cindy are having some trouble with JB

http://www.wesh.com/news/20672110/detail.html

More on that subject:

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/09/casey-anthony-.html


Hmmm, AndreaL states that C&G should have video visitation with their daughter ... Jose cannot be reached for comment.

BradC stated on Larry King that he thought they should visit Casey (and Cindy shot him a death look).

Jose has a need to control Casey very, very tightly. I'm curious to see how this latest plays out, as well as how Andrea starts speaking up in small ways now--probably in big ways, later.

This is kind of public undercutting Jose's management by both Andrea and BradC.

Thanks for the links.

[summer4meplz]

bbm
I've never seen a visitation video or audio with Casey giving that info. The Anthonys (cindy george & lee) didn't get their stories straight about just "when" they first heard it.

pigging back on you Sun for space....but ....IIRC....there IS a video that has not been released from their very first visit before they knew they were being videotaped....lee apologized to casey for not knowing about it all over himself....cindy has alluded to it several times....as recently as the depo where she mentioned how horrible it was to have been taped unknowingly...

I might be getting some things mixed up...it's been awhile...I'm so ready for this trial to start.!

[101Spots]

Hmmm, AndreaL states that C&G should have video visitation with their daughter ... Jose cannot be reached for comment.

BradC stated on Larry King that he thought they should visit Casey (and Cindy shot him a death look).

Jose has a need to control Casey very, very tightly. I'm curious to see how this latest plays out, as well as how Andrea starts speaking up in small ways now--probably in big ways, later.

This is kind of public undercutting Jose's management by both Andrea and BradC.

Thanks for the links.

Ah, the unholy alliances behind the scenery in this drama! I wonder who picks up the tab for that "business lunch?"

[summer4meplz]

Hmmm, AndreaL states that C&G should have video visitation with their daughter ... Jose cannot be reached for comment.

BradC stated on Larry King that he thought they should visit Casey (and Cindy shot him a death look).

Jose has a need to control Casey very, very tightly. I'm curious to see how this latest plays out, as well as how Andrea starts speaking up in small ways now--probably in big ways, later.

This is kind of public undercutting Jose's management by both Andrea and BradC.

Thanks for the links.

I would be willing to bet good money that cindy would love to show off her new clothes, new jewelry, new size, tan, and muscular arms......

[really3997]

I wonder how many letters from Cindy and George actually made it to the intended recipient? Now I'm not sayin' that Jose was pocketing the letters and not giving them to her. :rolleyes: Heck, a hungry goat could have eaten them.

He might not "recall" those letters. JMO one thing is for sure I see all the lawyers fighting each other real soon.

[summer4meplz]

I want to see Cindy and George have a video visit with KC...I can see it now...Cindy comes in dripping with her bling, new teeth, new clothes, new accessories...rested and tan...etc. and there is KC all white and pasty with dirty hair in her jail garb with her fat a$$ hanging out and it ain't from blogging...LOL...and there's Georgie...saying hi gorgeous...hi beautiful and telling his 5 finger hand story...only now he'd have to cut off his pinky...since there is only 4 now...oh yeah it would be a classic...I would pay money to see that!!!

LOL>>>gmta......you forgot muscular arms....:thumbsup:

[really3997]

I would be willing to bet good money that cindy would love to show off her new clothes, new jewelry, new size, tan, and muscular arms......

My bet she will talk about her new found career..and maybe Casey can have one two when she gets out. Or worse what if Cindy is wearing Caseys clothes

[AnniePie]

You could be right...I just thought it was interesting that C&G said they were writing letters to KC and now there is this new sign at the jail...hummmm

Don't remember if Cindy said KC was writing them back...but thought she said something about "we" are writing letters back and forth or something like that.

Yeah. She also said that Casey was sobbing at the hearing when she saw George on the stand.

:thumbdown:

[Jeepers]

Just checking back in for a minute...Hey Jeep...this is what jumped out at me when I read your post:

I bet George DID lose it - and more than once, too. Casey would not, could not, DID NOT tell them the DETAILS of anything! They only knew what she had told them which, (surprise, surprise) was one one thousandths of a scintilla of the ACTUAL truth - yet another Anthony "TRUE- TRUTHS" IMO. She didn't tell them what happened other than the "Whimsical Story of Zanny the Kidnappin' Nanny" story - and by, God - she was still sticking to THAT at the time. George, Padilla, all volunteers, etc. were dying for Casey to tell them ANYTHING to HELP GET CAYLEE BACK (but more importantly maybe ESPECIALLY A DEAD CAYLEE!) - and she just FLAT DIDN'T. (Btw...it burns my azz that the OC was the "mystery caller" on the 911 thingy when the big bad protesters were trampling on their lawn so much) because she was ALSO telling them at this point THAT THE KIDNAPPERS WOULD COME AND GET THEM, TOO! FGS! These PEOPLE! They didn't PUSH IT because they KNEW SHE WAS NOT ALIVE - so, whatever...UNTIL we, at a family, can sort out what we need to LIE ABOUT! That is what the searchers, Lenny and the entire COUNTRY CANNOT DEAL WITH ABOUT THIS FAMILY!!! WE REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED!! YOU IDIOTS! What happened to them before they knew where her BODY WAS - they were doing NOTHING to LOOK FOR CAYLEE ALIVE!! NOTHING!!! They didn't know what to lie about yet? DING DING DING...I think that's it! THEY DID NOT KNOW HOW TO LIE YET FOR THE ODIOUS CREATURE! GRRRR!

DESPERATE FOR INFORMATION IS A HUGE UNDERSTATEMENT !!!! At the freaking least, there Georgie the Retired Police Detective Man! Perhaps you were waiting to BUY A CLUE..."Yes, we'd...like to buy a clue!" for $200 Pat Sajack! Now SPIN SPIN SPIN The Wheel of Fortune" wheel! (CLAP CLAP CLAP) OK...Anthony's, now let your PURE OF HEART SPIRIT show! YOU ARE ON NATIONAL T.V.! Great platform to get your answers from a still sympathetic crowd! Better not to screw this up by being greedy TOO quickly as a strategy! How do you want to play it Anthony's?

YOU HAVE THE HEARTS AND MINDS OF THE NATION WATCHING!" It takes them 2 seconds....Oh, Um, well, in THAT case?!! I can see Cindy:

"BIG MONEY BIG MONEY!! OH, C'MON, George! NO! NO! NO! - NOT LIKE THAT! MOVE! JUST OUT OF THE WAY WITH YOUR INEPT SELF! LET ME DO IT! OK, sorry, Pat - he's not too bright...Ok then, what is on the wheel tonight? Movie rights? Story rights? Photos of our MISSING GRANDCHILD who, though we maybe can't see her, but we COULD however, SMELL HER? Oh, VIDEOS - how nice! Oh, we already have a series patched together for you in anticipation of your asking! How nice of US! I am so excited!! It's called - THE SILENT YEARS! HOW Awesome! Anything ELSE, PAT???????? WHERE IS THE BIG MONEY BONUS SPACE AT ON THIS WHEEL???? Imma get me a wheel of my own to practice my spinnin' with for the NEXT time we see you on NATIONAL TELEVISION! IMMA BE A STAR!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHEEEEEEEEEEE!!! NO, there's no room for a picture of that GIRL, WHATSERNAME on the WHEEL, SORRY!!!!

FGS...I have done ranted all over myself - need to clean up - I will see you good people later this evening...thank you for reading along with my "The Anthony's Burn My Azz" series. I am sure there is more to come. :scared::angry:

Don't Stop Now you are on a Roll! I got a towel and some pledge just spray around the room wipe as walk to fridge to get another cold drink to cool down with.
Show me the Money!

[Jeepers]

That is the story in a nutshell Fool ME. The A's did not know what to lie about so they lied about everything. They then in turn forgot what they said and lied on top of the first lie.
Yuri I believe it was him or Allen told George to reel Cindy in at the very beginning. As Judge Strickland says, " The Horse was already out of the Barn". Cindy just could not keep her peeper shut.

[101Spots]

http://www.wesh.com/video/20674056/index.html

Video of the spat between Anthony's and Baez...

This is just making my day! :D

[djmsmom]

That is the story in a nutshell Fool ME. The A's did not know what to lie about so they lied about everything. They then in turn forgot what they said and lied on top of the first lie.
Yuri I believe it was him or Allen told George to reel Cindy in at the very beginning. As Judge Strickland says, " The Horse was already out of the Barn". Cindy just could not keep her peeper shut.

This is so true, Casey never told them any story that they knew could be true. So the lieing started. Deny, deny, deny. Cindy thought she was smart enough to add to the lies to make them a little more believable.

[bchand]

My bet she will talk about her new found career..and maybe Casey can have one two when she gets out. Or worse what if Cindy is wearing Caseys clothes

IF a video visit ever happens (and I don't believe Casey will allow it unless Lyon tells her to), a complete script will be followed IMO.

[desmom]

This is just making my day! :D

Ditto! IMO, JB thinks he is above the rules and guidelines.

[really3997]

Ditto! IMO, JB thinks he is above the rules and guidelines.

Only the ones he can recall

[Jeepers]

From the link Jeepers provided: http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0730/20224422.pdf

George trashes Jesse pages 26 - 31 and then switches gears and talks about the guys he would like to see his daughter marry.

Ryan Pasley bottom of page 31 - 33

Adam Lynch on page 33

Amazing! :eek:

jmo

Ryan and Adam should consider themselves lucky. Everyone else has been thrown under the bus by the A's.
I feel so bad for all those young people caught up in the A's saga.
As a mom myself, I think I would have to be doing time myself for the Assualt with intent to kill a few A's if it were my child they pointed out to LE and the public.

[cassidy]

Ditto! IMO, JB thinks he is above the rules and guidelines.

Hmmmmmm...we all called this one months ago. Can he get sanctioned for this? never mind, he'd have to admit he was doing it 1st and THAT won't happen. What a weasel !!

JMO

[cassidy]

He wouldn't be able to recall...he should be a politician...he would fit right in...

And he knows there is nothing that can be done about it either. They can put up all the signs they want, but they can't search his briefcase. He's the lawyer that gives all lawyers a bad rep.

JMO

[Jeepers]

IMO, Casey cannot be trusted. she is a boiling pot. was and still is.

her meltdown visitation video is evidence of how she cannot control herself. I dont see a visitation occurring. AL doesnt understand what she is dealing with...A PSYCHOPATH who can freak out at any minute....

she would risk an 'air talk' visit with her parents? Casey is FUMING, has been and always will be.

AL doesnt understand the family dynamics.....she better stay out of that dynamic.........she is case law...not a shrink. Casey couldnt be trusted to nurture her own child....she expects her to suddenly 'play the family game' after that damaging August visitation...?

I dont see it happening.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

But then again Pru, Al should get a good dose of Casey. She needs to see the real Casey we have all grown to love to watch meltdown. Maybe after watching with her own two eyes the relationship between Casey and Cindy she might rethink her stance on the DP and decide it might be the most humane thing to do.

[Jeepers]

Good night everyone. Very interesting conversations tonight.

See everyone tomorrow.

Don't forget to say our Prayers

[adair]

Hi Pru, George was reacting primarily from knowing that smell of decomp. It comes up over and over in his interview, and then he couples it with not wanting it to be his granddaughter. But he knew it was--he knew it all, right then--and he's struggling terribly with himself. He's displaying true denial in this interview: he knows the truth, he can see it all, but he doesn't want to believe it.


When did they search their back yard for Caylee, was that after or before they picked the car up...TIA

[djmsmom]

Good night everyone. Very interesting conversations tonight.

See everyone tomorrow.

Don't forget to say our Prayers

Good night Jeepers.

[seeing_eye]

But then again Pru, Al should get a good dose of Casey. She needs to see the real Casey we have all grown to love to watch meltdown. Maybe after watching with her own two eyes the relationship between Casey and Cindy she might rethink her stance on the DP and decide it might be the most humane thing to do.

You obviously do not know the "Angel of Death Row!" After reading her website, I'm sure nothing will detract from her fight to keep Casey off death row.

[adair]

Hello Everyone Reporting for the night shift. I dont have to work tomorrow, or i should say i dont have to punch a clock tomorrow..lol

I am hoping that someone can tell me if i missed anything today, I have had trouble opening the last 2 links.......anyone else having 'problems'?

TIA

Night Jeepers!!!

[seeing_eye]

Well what do you all think that Tim Miller can do for the defense?

Just wanting to talk not trying to bait. TIA for your input.

2w4u

I don't think Tim Miller will do anything for the defense. I do think he will do a lot for the prosecution though. I think he will prove that the body had been under water since before hurricane Fay came through.

[Dells]

Didn't know if you had read this or not....have not had time to go thru today's post.

Seems George and Cindy are having some trouble with JB

http://www.wesh.com/news/20672110/detail.html

More on that subject:

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/09/casey-anthony-.html

Thanks so much for both of the links. :seeya: Very interesting articles. I always knew there was trouble brewing beneath the surface. It will be interesting to see if they are able to get a video visit w/Casey, and if they do if the video is released to the public.

[summer4meplz]

I don't think Tim Miller will do anything for the defense. I do think he will do a lot for the prosecution though. I think he will prove that the body had been under water since before hurricane Fay came through.

AND, if I might add, he will testify to casey's complete and utter disinterest in looking for Caylee...iirc

[adair]

You obviously do not know the "Angel of Death Row!" After reading her website, I'm sure nothing will detract from her fight to keep Casey off death row.

If she does not get the dp will she be kept in segregation due to the publicity surrounding this case........I honestly think that death is too kind for her, she will be given a tranquilizer, then her heart will stop. Its not like she will be choked or smothered or poisioned. Her death will be peaceful....I cannot even imagine the terror poor Caylee went thru, duct tape over her precious little mouth/nose, wanting to scream for help, wanting to breath....omg....I just pray that she lost consciousnesses (sp) quickly. Death is too good for kc...I want her to be in fear of her life every day.

jmo moo

[seeing_eye]

AND, if I might add, he will testify to casey's complete and utter disinterest in looking for Caylee...iirc

Yes, that too.

[Jeepers]

You obviously do not know the "Angel of Death Row!" After reading her website, I'm sure nothing will detract from her fight to keep Casey off death row.

Quckie here: Yes I read her website. I also read where she let a man sit in prison for 26 years that was innocent and her client was the guilty one.
She knew it but she had to defend her client.

Ain't nothing good about her ethics either jmo. I think after her and Baez smooth out some rough spots they will get along swimmingly.

Good night again folks

[adair]

Thanks so much for both of the links. :seeya: Very interesting articles. I always knew there was trouble brewing beneath the surface. It will be interesting to see if they are able to get a video visit w/Casey, and if they do if the video is released to the public.


For some reason my computer is having a funk....can you please give me the readers digest condensed version? Thanks......

The links open, but they are tiny......really tiny. Thanks, I hope its not too much trouble.

TIA

[Dells]

Hey all....Please bare with me, I am new at this...lol...I would like to say in reading all of your comments--seems to me you all have been doing your homework too on this case...I have two questions, does anyone know when the latest docs will be released to the public? And I think that Leonard Padilla is going to be a great witness for the prosecution! Do You? Thanks for your patience and any replies....All Best,
Justitia....

Welcome to the boards! :seeya:

No idea when the next document dump is coming, I just hope it is soon.:thumbup: Also, I am not sure that LP himself will testify, but I bet that Tracy, the woman who worked for him, will be a wealth of information. She spent a lot of time w/Casey when she was out on bond and I am sure she is privy to some interesting tidbits of information.

[seeing_eye]

That's what I mean.. why did the defense want Tim as a witness???

2w4u

Because the defense is dumb - really dumb!

[adair]

Try pressing Ctrl+


GREAT>>>THANKS IT WORKED !!!!!:thumbsup:

[Katprint]

I wonder how many letters from Cindy and George actually made it to the intended recipient? Now I'm not sayin' that Jose was pocketing the letters and not giving them to her. :rolleyes: Heck, a hungry goat could have eaten them.
Unless Baez was a complete dumbass (who wants to take THAT bet?), he only showed Casey the letters but then retained possession of them. Casey's cell is subject to search at any time, and if they find personal letters that did not come through the proper jail channels then those letters are "contraband" same as if they found money or cigarettes or street clothing or any of the other things that jail inmates are not supposed to have. Unscreened personal letters would be confiscated and could be given to the prosecution to be used against Casey, same as any other non-privileged communication.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Dells]

From your link:

"That feeling [being wrongly accused] evidently has cemented the bond between Baez and his client."

barf

My sentiments exactly.:sneaky: Wow, if JB's client is so innocent, why doesn't he just ask her who took Caylee from her and how her daughter got out of her possession? This whole situation could have been cleared up really quick.

[101Spots]

Unless Baez was a complete dumbass (who wants to take THAT bet?), he only showed Casey the letters but then retained possession of them. Casey's cell is subject to search at any time, and if they find personal letters that did not come through the proper jail channels then those letters are "contraband" same as if they found money or cigarettes or street clothing or any of the other things that jail inmates are not supposed to have. Unscreened personal letters would be confiscated and could be given to the prosecution to be used against Casey, same as any other non-privileged communication.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Very interesting. I was really referring to some/any of the letters mysteriously disappearing before they even reached Casey and/or being redacted to the max by Jose. But the slightest chance she's still got one in her cell makes me giddy.

Oh, and I'll take "Jose is a dumbass" for 25¢.

[sammy62]

If she does not get the dp will she be kept in segregation due to the publicity surrounding this case........I honestly think that death is too kind for her, she will be given a tranquilizer, then her heart will stop. Its not like she will be choked or smothered or poisioned. Her death will be peaceful....I cannot even imagine the terror poor Caylee went thru, duct tape over her precious little mouth/nose, wanting to scream for help, wanting to breath....omg....I just pray that she lost consciousnesses (sp) quickly. Death is too good for kc...I want her to be in fear of her life every day.

jmo moo


Me too. I'm not opposed tothe death penalty....but I think for Casey to spend the rest of her life in a tiny cell with a cot and toilet...would be worse than death for me.

[Dells]

I think AL knows that Casey giving C and G the cold shoulder in court make her look like the B**** she is, and thinks they could have a visit to just discuss current events. How is Lee, who all has called to wish her luck, things like that. but she doesn't realise that Casey and Cindy are all about how they feel and nobody else. And if they try to follow the scripts Cindy thought up, they kept changing.

Bolding mine....

I just wonder why Casey's attorneys are not addressing this one specific issue? :shrug:

It would be a real simple thing to have Casey walk into court, quickly smile and maybe mouth the word "hi" to them. Sort of like she did the very first time the Anthony's attended one of her court hearings.

There have been so many negative comments from the last several court hearings specifically talking about Casey and her attitude towards her parents in court. This is one thing that is clearly making Casey appear to be an more unsympathetic figure than she is already perceived.

Does Casey get that much satisfaction from shunning her parents in court? I would think that her attorneys would want to get control of her and at least have her discontinue her current behavior in this regard. I guess Casey continuing to disrespect her parents is more important to her than dodging a potential death penalty and/or guilty verdict.

[Katprint]

I clearly think Casey killed Caylee but I do have to wonder if he was talked to. I notice the court office stamped it "received."

Katprint, don't they have to follow up on this. Is it not their obligation to do so? I mean, it's obvious he's a nut ball but...
jmo
Both the prosecution and the defense absolutely will follow up on this. Right now, it looks like this guy may be trying to trade bogus information. My guess is he will continue to hint that he "knows" who killed Caylee but that he will only disclose that information in return for an early release from custody, preferential custody placement, whatever. The response from authorities will be "tell us what you know then we will decide if you have earned any reward." The defense really has no way to offer any incentives, which is too bad for them.

If this fellow actually had any valuable information, he would have HIS ATTORNEY conducting private, off-the-record negotiations. I previously related a situation where my client was the ringleader in an unprovoked gang attack on an innocent victim, because my client wanted to try out his new nunchucks, the getaway driver who stayed in the car with the engine running, whose license plate was noted by a helpful bystander then tracked down by police, was able to negotiate immunity for himself in exchange for testimony against the actual assailants. More specifically, this negotiation was done by the getaway driver's attorney after the getaway driver had been arrested and charged as an accomplice to attempted murder. Consequently, the information provided by the getaway driver was truthful as reflected by the discovery of my client's bloody nunchucks in his bedroom closet when the search warrant was served on his residence. IMO few attorneys will deliberately dig their client's hole deeper by adding on perjury, false official statements, etc. on top of the charges already pending against their clients.

The fact that this inmate's attorney is not involved dramatically decreases the likelihood that the inmate has any credible information concerning who killed Caylee. This is especially true given the veritable mountain of evidence pointing towards Casey as the culprit.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Affa]

Since Tim Miller has been declared a witness for the defense, can the prosecution call him to testify if the defense will not call him. Thanks.

[Katprint]

Kat, what is your opinion about the lap-top wed cam?

TIA

2w4u

I think it is completely OK for an attorney to use his computer to share information concerning current public opinion with a defendant accused of a notoriously heinous crime. The Nancy Grace show and other news broadcasts are not attempting to communicate directly with Casey. Also, when a witness has appeared on a TV show and given an interview, simply showing the interview to the inmate is a more accurate method of communicating what that witness said than trying to verbally summarize the interview for the inmate. I really have no problem with Baez or any of his associates showing any TV shows to Casey.

As far as using the web-cam to let Casey communicate directly with anyone outside the jail, I think that absolutely constitutes a direct violation of the various statutes that prohibit inmates from communicating directly with non-inmates (other than privileged communications with attorneys, clergy, doctors, etc.)

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Dells]

IF a video visit ever happens (and I don't believe Casey will allow it unless Lyon tells her to), a complete script will be followed IMO.

I so agree, but it would still be interesting to watch them interact. Even if Casey has a "script" to follow, you can bet she would let her true feelings for her parents show through. She's not that good an actress and we already know she can't fake appropriate emotions.:sneaky:

[crimeq]

I would be willing to bet good money that cindy would love to show off her new clothes, new jewelry, new size, tan, and muscular arms......

Sad to say, she would. :-( Put that girl down.

Cindy competed with her daughter for her youth, her life, her child.

Looks like she won.

[KittyMom]

I post on another board where a member went with TM to help search for Caylee. This searcher told me that Cindy was all over TM to start with but then had a big falling out with him (shock). I'm thinking that def is setting Cindy up. IMO

[crimeq]

When did they search their back yard for Caylee, was that after or before they picked the car up...TIA

Adair, that was after ....

[crimeq]

Quckie here: Yes I read her website. I also read where she let a man sit in prison for 26 years that was innocent and her client was the guilty one.
She knew it but she had to defend her client.

Ain't nothing good about her ethics either jmo. I think after her and Baez smooth out some rough spots they will get along swimmingly.

Good night again folks

Oh crap. Can you point me to the info, Jeepers?

[crimeq]

Unless Baez was a complete dumbass (who wants to take THAT bet?), he only showed Casey the letters but then retained possession of them. Casey's cell is subject to search at any time, and if they find personal letters that did not come through the proper jail channels then those letters are "contraband" same as if they found money or cigarettes or street clothing or any of the other things that jail inmates are not supposed to have. Unscreened personal letters would be confiscated and could be given to the prosecution to be used against Casey, same as any other non-privileged communication.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Kat, in your experience, is it a usual practice for an attorney to act as personal messenger, ferrying letters between defendant and family?

Maybe I'm really asking how FAR out of the ordinary is it?

[crimeq]

Very interesting. I was really referring to some/any of the letters mysteriously disappearing before they even reached Casey and/or being redacted to the max by Jose. But the slightest chance she's still got one in her cell makes me giddy.

Oh, and I'll take "Jose is a dumbass" for 25¢.

Seems Jose had total control, he could have quashed any letter, one from the other or to the other, and it would never be known.

This guy has invoked SILENCE over Casey.

[Katprint]

Kat, in your experience, is it a usual practice for an attorney to act as personal messenger, ferrying letters between defendant and family?

Maybe I'm really asking how FAR out of the ordinary is it?
No, it is not a usual practice for an attorney to act as a personal messenger "ferrying letters" of any type. Normally a particular client is not worth the risk of being disciplined by the state bar, plus it is usually not in the client's best interests for the attorney to help the client engage in conduct which might result in jail discipline i.e. loss of various privileges like recreation time, watching TV or listening to their radio, ordering from commissary, visits from friends/family, etc. Of course, normally the defendant's family members are not uncharged accomplices/co-conspirators and the communications would normally be harmless "we love you anyway" sentiments rather than strategic coordination concerning how the family will work together to frustrate law enforcement's investigation.

Similarly, if a family has concerns about the quality of the attorney's representation, it would be inappropriate for the attorney to intercept letters to the defendant expressing those concerns. What normally happens is that friends and family who want to write to/visit with a defendant do write/visit, but simply avoid discussing the case.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Postergeist]

Didn't know if you had read this or not....have not had time to go thru today's post.

Seems George and Cindy are having some trouble with JB

http://www.wesh.com/news/20672110/detail.html

More on that subject:

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/09/casey-anthony-.html

Thanks Julie for the links and to others that have posted as well.

I am surprised it has taken this long- heck, I've never had a loved one in jail, but yet I knew enough that the rule is correspondence is screened and that it has to go thru the jail mail system, fgs.

I don't know if it's because the A's are so cheap that they didn't want to spend the money on stamps

or

if what they had been writing they never wanted the jail admins to see because it was so incriminating of themselves or of Casey.

It also shows what a lousy attorney BC is for his clients, because he should've said right away last year that all letters have to be mailed due to the policy of the OC jail and that giving letters to Baez could have serious repercussions.

Maybe Cindy is hoping to publish a book Letters from My Daughter - inside her mind from behind bars of the OC Jail- wonder if she'll give Casey a cut of her profits? hehe

here's a refresher for the A's concerning the rules of what can be mailed-

http://www.orangecountyfl.net/cms/BUSINESS/jail/InmateMail.htm

<snip>

Do not send cash or personal checks.
Do not send stamps, envelopes, paper, pens, pencils, inappropriate pictures or polaroids, plastic cards, phone cards, stickers, lipstick marks on envelopes, or glued items.
No unnecessary writing or drawings are allowed on envelopes.

[AnniePie]

But then again Pru, Al should get a good dose of Casey. She needs to see the real Casey we have all grown to love to watch meltdown. Maybe after watching with her own two eyes the relationship between Casey and Cindy she might rethink her stance on the DP and decide it might be the most humane thing to do.

OMH Jeep! That's good stuff! :thumbsup:

[AnniePie]

Quckie here: Yes I read her website. I also read where she let a man sit in prison for 26 years that was innocent and her client was the guilty one.
She knew it but she had to defend her client.
Ain't nothing good about her ethics either jmo. I think after her and Baez smooth out some rough spots they will get along swimmingly.

Good night again folks

OMH If that is actually true, (not dis or mis - (insert drooling smiley here) trusting your post Jeep, but you know how rumours fly), she has to be one heartless person.

[Postergeist]

HEY POSTIE - I just was posting about this! I was a late-comer to this development and I just NOW am getting my rant on about it! LOL As you can see ABOVE

However, it makes me feel better to see I am not alone in being just - well...WOW...what to even say to describe it, huh? I am almost out of words for tonight I think! ALMOST! I always carry a personal reserve - just in case!!

BTW - This Board...it ROCKS! :lol: Our posters are the BEST!

Hey ya Fool Me, I was in the middle of writing my post when I hit submit I then saw your post.

Notice that the link shows that magazines and books have to come directly from the publisher or a book store...so that eliminates someone from wanting to mail books to the jail. I do wonder if a person or group wanted to donate books to the jail library- if they could be brought in and then someone has to go thru them to make sure they pass muster.

I'd go bonkers for certain if I didn't have something to read. I find it odd when meeting people that say they don't enjoy reading, or are bored by reading...:sad: I am always buying books- bought some on Mon. and again earlier today.

And in your post- yes, anyone can write to any inmate- doesn't mean they will write back of course, but if it gets approved, it will be passed on to the inmate. Now- I would think there are plenty of troll letter writers as well out there, so likely every jail and prison probably has a record with little check marks for the nutjobs that send crazy letters to inmates.

Casey may be receiving lots of letters during the past year- she just hasn't apparently received any or many from her parents because they were imo stupid to think the best way to get a letter to their daughter was thru her lawyer. :rolleyes:

I believe George is on the jail house video last year telling his daughter that she COULD get a letter to the sheriff, to the detectives, to the family, etc. by just mailing it FROM the jail. Of course, they need to have $ in their account to purchase the stamps.

(had to take one of your smilies so I could post mine)

[legalmania]

I would like to dedicate this song to all the missing and murdered children out there. Especially to our sweet Caylee, you go play and dance, freedom and justice is all yours sweet baby girl.

----------------
Now playing: Crosby, Stills & Nash - Teach Your Children (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/crosby_stills_nash/track/teach_your_children)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

[happygert]

Okay Posters...I just woke up and in bold letters I see Baez and the Anthony twins got into some big disagreement??

Please do tell/link...Thanks:thumbsup:

Hi Deannalynn just got my internet working again.. whats going on? do tell... thanks..

[happygert]

Morning gert, dear..I just woke up. Glad you have your puter going.
I read that the Anthony's got into some hoe down with Baez but I wanted to read a link. Something (I think) about letters back and forth to Casey?
Do you know anything.

here I just found this..

http://www.wesh.com/news/20672110/detail.html

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/09/casey-anthony-.html

[happygert]

O/T: Was it your internet or your machine that was down, gert? Have you had bad weather in your area earlier? Just the computer geek in me wondering....

Internet.. comcast is not really my favorite right now phone and internet goes out about once a month.. TV stays on but I want it all...lol.. I guess Judge didnt make any rulings on check case again today..

[happygert]

I've said all along that jb has been taking letters back and forth.. I also think there may be some emails going back and forth..

[Postergeist]

Hey Postie - I WOULD GO MAD if I couldn't READ - SOMETHING - ANYTHING!! I have a sign on my wall that I have had for years. It says:

"When I have a little money - I buy Books. If any is left - I buy food and clothes."

That about sums it up for me, yeah.



I guess that the old stock answer of, "Um, NO, we haven't SEEN or SPOKEN or COMMUNICATED with our daughter in almost an entire YEAR - because - WELL, we REALLY DON'T KNOW WHY, EXACTLY!" is just not working for them any more, ya think? How much of this is a direct result of AL entering the case do ya think? :thumbdown:

<snipped> lol- I'm reading around the various boards, so I'm here and there. Tonight I finished a short book I picked up Tues. nite on Otzi the Iceman. This can be related to the Casey case- because I learned he had tattoos. (thus, the connection) for those interested in what 5000+ years ago tattoos looked alike you may see Otzi's tattoos at this link-

http://www.tattoosymbol.com/timeline/timeline-2.html

IMO- I don't think the A powwow from last week has anything to do with their new letter writing campaign. It was likely because of the rulings on TES and Padilla & gang.

However, really could do another drive by for this wkend's Labor Day celebrations (so brace yourself readers/posters and lurkers- there will be a Holiday Forum no doubt).

[happygert]

good night all been a very long last 2 days.. going to try and gets some sleep ..
Hope ruling comes down soon on the check case.. wonder what the dang hold up is?

[Postergeist]

I have to say the Anthony's are correct in wanting to communicate with their daughter. Why does Baez want to keep this a secret anyway. I mean, that's what I think. This could be the reason why Casey looked the other way when they went to court the last two times.

<snipped>

good early mornin' Deanna- then the Anthonys should've done what families and friends of incarcerated loved ones have had to do for eons, which is use the USPS to get their correspondence to the inmate.

I posted the link to the OC jail web site the page before this- how hard is it for the A's to either ask while they were at the jail, or to google like I did?

Apparently too hard. :thumbdown:

imo

[Amy]

I've said all along that jb has been taking letters back and forth.. I also think there may be some emails going back and forth..

It seems that, if message board posters could figure out that Baez was taking letters back and forth, and could figure out that Casey could have been using that sweet little laptop Baez brought to visits, that jail people could figure that out, too. They had to have known all along that Baez wasn't playing by the rules. Why just now try to do something about it?

[Amy]

My sentiments exactly.:sneaky: Wow, if JB's client is so innocent, why doesn't he just ask her who took Caylee from her and how her daughter got out of her possession? This whole situation could have been cleared up really quick.

Oh, but remember, Jose says that Casey HAS told him the truth, and that when all this comes out in trial, we will understand what went down, and why Casey acted as she did, and will KNOW she is innocent. Just like other cases, it sure seems to me that, if there is evidence and proof of someone's innocence, why would her lawyer let her lanquish in jail for even one minute, let alone months or years (while the defense delays, delays, delays) instead of getting that information, proof, evidence to the prosecutors so they could be on the case of the real killer? Or, if the lawyer feels they would have to present this evidence/proof to a judge and jury, why not demand on a speedy trial so his innocent client can get out of jail NOW, instead of in a year or so?

[Amy]

Thanks Julie for the links and to others that have posted as well.

I am surprised it has taken this long- heck, I've never had a loved one in jail, but yet I knew enough that the rule is correspondence is screened and that it has to go thru the jail mail system, fgs.

I don't know if it's because the A's are so cheap that they didn't want to spend the money on stamps

or

if what they had been writing they never wanted the jail admins to see because it was so incriminating of themselves or of Casey.

It also shows what a lousy attorney BC is for his clients, because he should've said right away last year that all letters have to be mailed due to the policy of the OC jail and that giving letters to Baez could have serious repercussions.

Maybe Cindy is hoping to publish a book Letters from My Daughter - inside her mind from behind bars of the OC Jail- wonder if she'll give Casey a cut of her profits? hehe

here's a refresher for the A's concerning the rules of what can be mailed-

http://www.orangecountyfl.net/cms/BUSINESS/jail/InmateMail.htm

<snip>

Do not send cash or personal checks.
Do not send stamps, envelopes, paper, pens, pencils, inappropriate pictures or polaroids, plastic cards, phone cards, stickers, lipstick marks on envelopes, or glued items.
No unnecessary writing or drawings are allowed on envelopes.


I wonder if BC DID tell the A's they could send Casey letters via the mail, regardless of what Baez told them. I don't think Baez told them they COULDN'T, but more likely reminded them that every word would be scrutinized by the mailroom staff. Of course, someone should have/could have told the A's (and they COULD HAVE tho't of it themselves) that they could send letters via the mail, but they should stick to just a newsy little letter (Dad was driving the billmobile all day today, and I was handing out flyers @ the mall. We're doing this and that to find Caylee, etc.) Or, just a note to remind Casey they love her, what does she need--money for the commisary? What outfit would she like Cindy to send over for the next hearing, etc etc etc. Write, but nothing that could and would be used against Casey in a court of law. IMO, the A's probably would NOT have been able to write letters that did not include distain for the OCSO, the DA, the media, etc etc etc. which wouldn't reflect on Casey's case. They would also probably want to try to discuss strategy, or who to throw under the bus, rewrite history.

If it is proven that Jose ferried letters to and from, and allowed Casey to communicate via the laptop, couldn't he be sanctioned (and possibly disbarred) for allowing and participating in this?

[Amy]

I remember videos of cindy or george saying Casey was sleeping in their bedroom on a blow up mattress because she was afraid, and couldn't sleep in Caylee's room. They had PLENTY of alone time with the odious one. Plenty of time. And they know, I believe exactly what happened.

Bugged

One could then assume that they were all on the same page of trying to get any stories straight, figuring out what to say about various people in Casey's life to cast aspersions upon them (Jesse, Amy, TonE etc etc etc.) OR, there is the possibility that they DIDN'T discuss anything, because there weren't any reports about shouting, or about one or the other stomping out of the room. I just CANNOT see them NOT talking about Caylee tho, where is she, etc. Maybe that would be when the new and improved version of invisinanny kidnapping Caylee @ the park was concocted?

[Amy]

http://www.wesh.com/video/20674056/index.html

Video of the spat between Anthony's and Baez...

The caption for the video is misleading. It says the A's will be mailing Casey letters despite POLICY. It should say despite AGREEMENT w/Baez. It's not against POLICY to mail the letters.

Anyway. So, the attorney interviewed said she knew of the policy against lawyers taking letters in--they are warned about that, and that there would be serious repercussion-so, why isn't Baez being raked over the coals on this? They (OCSO) has to KNOW he was taking letters to and from, so why just have the policy posted? (And don't give me that guff that it wasn't posted because of Baez.) Why isn't Baez looking @ deep do-do from the state and the bar about this? Why are they being soft on Baez about this, just like the hugging carp?

[Amy]

I just read the link you provided for me. (Thank you)
Anyway, it indicates that Lyons is very in depth in studying her client and getting to know their past and their reason why they would commit such a horrifi c crime. She gave an example of some guy and explain how he was from birth to the time he murdered someone.
Boy, if that's what she does with Casey, it will be interesting none the less.
IF she can even get Casey to open up about her childhood up to date would be interesting.
George and Casey may not like it AT ALL!:rolleyes:

The only problem would be--would Casey or any of the A's (if Lyon talks to them) actually be telling her the truth? Or, what they THINK Lyon would be wanting to hear? Would they tell of the storybook fairy tale of your normal, Wally Cleaver/Father Knows Best type of childhood? Or, would they come up w/outlandish things that would show WHY Casey did and said things? That they think would give her a break on killing her own baby? Of course, that would have to show Cindy and George in a bad light as parents, and I don't think they would go for that @ all, and would refute any negative things that Casey would be telling her. I don't suppose there would be a middle ground, not a Mayberry existance, but not a Friday the 13th one, either.

[Amy]

This I don't get.
I thought the defense attorney was not allowed to tell the story as to how this happened. I thought the defendant had to get up on the stand if they wanted to tell their story of her innocents.:confused:
Seems to me that would be easy if everybody was able to have that luxury. Then the State couldn't cross-x the killer.
Just say,,jmo

No, what I mean is, just like in the SP case--the defense KNEW who the REAL KILLER was!!! BEFORE the trial, make sure the prosecution has this info, so, instead of having the expense of a trial of an "innocent" person in order for the truth to get out, get on the trail of the REAL KILLER and arrest and charge that person, instead of the innocent person sitting in jail, awaiting a trial.

Such as, Casey telling "the real" truth in the LE/FBI interviews instead of making up things, and taking them to non-existance offices, telling them about invisnannies and invisiphones and all that. Give LE someone REAL to investigate would have been a good starter.

[aproudmom]

The caption for the video is misleading. It says the A's will be mailing Casey letters despite POLICY. It should say despite AGREEMENT w/Baez. It's not against POLICY to mail the letters.

Anyway. So, the attorney interviewed said she knew of the policy against lawyers taking letters in--they are warned about that, and that there would be serious repercussion-so, why isn't Baez being raked over the coals on this? They (OCSO) has to KNOW he was taking letters to and from, so why just have the policy posted? (And don't give me that guff that it wasn't posted because of Baez.) Why isn't Baez looking @ deep do-do from the state and the bar about this? Why are they being soft on Baez about this, just like the hugging carp?

Sorry to jump in but they ALL knew it was allowed to send letters by mail that is all a bunch of bull and ALL LAWYERS know the rules so this is just another one for the bozo, why they allow this I have no clue are they worried since the tapes of her on the day the remains were found or the police officer not following up on Kronk's tip or her sleeping with cops and they lied in the beginning..I just do not get it heck they even tried to slip her a caylee bracelet in her jacket pocket after the judge decided to allow her to be in street clothes after she cried I WONT GO TO COURT in cuffs and jail garb...IMO they have and will get away with alot more and it sickens me this is why they think there is the law and then the Anthony law and that is why CA and GA think they can boo hoo and get their way....all JMO

[desmom]

AMY - TY for clearing this up in my mind for me! I thought the same thing! I think Katprint said he COULD take letters in, he just could not let her keep them. They check her cell for anything like that and consider THAT to be contraband and if they found anything along those lines she would be in legal trouble then. IIRC she also said that Bozo COULD take his laptop in and show her things like NG and other shows that have things on about her case - as it is on public air waves and not privileged - but they COULD NOT use any kind of built-in camera on his laptop for communication OR use it to go online any other social networking type of sites (like Facebook, Myspace, etc).

This kinda took me back a little when I read that - I can't help but wonder if Bozo did not take some sort of illegal liberties with his handy laptop when he has taken it in to see her BEFORE - and now, is anyone even WATCHING to make sure he DOES NOT do that? If this is legal, and he can use it for limited things (like letting her watch the "memorial" for Caylee, or things like that) then HOW DO THEY POLICE or ENFORCE THIS THEN? Does an officer stand there - or look through glass at them, or WHAT?

Maybe Kat or some other legal eagle can expand on how LE enforces this particular aspect regarding her visitation with Bozo and exactly WHAT privileges this covers and more about how this works in FL?

Do they really think Josie would NOT do something HINKY if no one is even paying attention? Are they just taking his WORD on this, too? Why would they just simply "believe Bozo" about this? How could they? And, WHO EXACTLY is WATCHING for violations of the JAIL POLICIES? Can anyone help with this?

This is what Katprint wrote about the video done in the jail infirmary:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12879095&highlight=video#post12879095

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12884283&highlight=video#post12884283

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12885237&highlight=video#post12885237

[Julie Dupree]

I found this article and thought some of you may want to check it out. It is written by AL about how to prepare a dp case for trial. This is the section where she explains how she thinks it is important to have in depth interviews with all family members. I wonder if she has begun this process with George and Cindy and that is the reason we have not seen them on the morning show circuits lately.



You must also interview the client’s family and household.
This has several purposes: (1) to get information concerning
the facts of your client’s life; (2) to give you the opportunity to
make your own assessment of your client’s family life; (3) to
get information that may assist you in supporting a mental
health professional’s findings; (4) to get information concerning
the official investigation of the crime and the conduct of the
case by the police; and (5) to involve the family in the case.
Family members’ involvement can be key for the following
reasons:
• At a sentencing hearing, they make good witnesses.
• Their presence during trial creates an atmosphere in which
it is easier to save your client’s life.
• Family support can help make your client more selfassured
and a better witness if he needs to take the stand.
• Family support can prevent your client from engaging in
self-destructive behavior (e.g., acting out violently in
prison or court).
Before you interview your client’s family members, be
sure to have in mind some of the different possible reactions
they may have. They may mistrust you as a result of prior
experiences with lawyers they believe did not do a good job.
They may be people who see lawyers as awesome, intimidating
authority figures. They may be overly protective of your
client. They may be ashamed of your client’s behavior or feel
deeply betrayed by him. They may seem indifferent to the
whole affair. They may be suppressing their feelings about
your client and his criminal behavior, or they may be totally
immersed in them. They may be sophisticated enough to
understand exactly why you are asking these questions, or
they may have no idea why you are interviewing them. Begin
to establish a relationship with members of your client’s family
that will enable them to confide in you. Explain that what
they ordinarily would consider negative information about
your client may help him in these circumstances.
-
http://www.andrealyon.com/linked/defendingthelife-or-deathcasearticle.pdf

[Julie Dupree]

[/B]

I THINK HE IS SCARED TO DEATH about the trial. He is kinda like Casey in some respects...he just put off and put off worrying about this "problem" he has, until the "tumor bump" just can't be hidden anymore! When "real life" action is needed and necessary, they both just shuck and jive to beat the band as they try to tap dance the heck out of the situation! But it never really works out. It just waits for them to stop moving and hold still so everyone else can see it, too!

I think Bozo is secretly hoping and praying that someone - ANYONE - will just ride in and rescue him from this case - and he can QUIT in some kinda way that he can at least save a "portion of his face!" I don't think he can actually MAKE it to trial in the first chair...and if he can't have THAT - he will QUIT himself and say he has some half azzed LEGAL reason and then just slink away quietly to lick his considerable wounds! HE looks like deers in the headlights - he does not want to play anymore if you ask me...he's just waiting for AL to tell him to leave. MOO. :glare: Someone, anyone, TELL ME WHAT TO DO!

He is realizing he is completely OUTWITTED, OUTPLAYED and most certainly will be OUTLASTED and shown to be just a humongous WASTE - COMPLETE WASTE as an attorney. His future depends on this, imo. At least in this country anywhere...he let everyone see his incompetence!

I guess he could teach at a Jr. College or something along those lines...he is trying not to be EMBARRASSED ANYMORE! He looks more confused and scared as time passes! Did you see the Prosecution table reacting to him the last hearing? THEY WERE LAUGHING AT HIM! He saw it. HE knows it. HE DOES. So does Casey, imo.

AL schooled them...BOTH. :sad:

I think he is currently on staff at one of the local law schools. (not sure which one)
I think what you said is a major factor in why AL took the case. I think he knows he is in over his head and not sure how to swim out of it.

[desmom]

I can understand JB telling Casey not to take visits from anyone because of the FL Sunshine laws and the taping of the visits. I would probably follow his instructions regarding the visits, but I would ignore his wishes that all letters between my child and I had to go through him.

I don't trust JB and it is not because he is Casey's attorney. His whining, sarcastic remarks, woe is me and running the national talk show circuit strike me as unprofessional.

I believe he as well as the Anthonys have turned this case into a media circus. He is another one that should have learned "no comment" a year ago.

jmo

[Postergeist]

I found this article and thought some of you may want to check it out. It is written by AL about how to prepare a dp case for trial.



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Before you interview your client’s family members, be
sure to have in mind some of the different possible reactions
they may have.


They may be overly protective of your
client. (YES!)



They may be ashamed of your client’s behavior or feel
deeply betrayed by him. (NO!)


They may seem indifferent to the
whole affair. (YES, indifferent to the criminal behavior that their daughter has done and has been accused of doing)

They may be suppressing their feelings about
your client and his criminal behavior, or they may be totally
immersed in them. (IMO, suppressing their feelings towards the murdered victim, but YES to immersing themselves into Casey)


-
http://www.andrealyon.com/linked/defendingthelife-or-deathcasearticle.pdf


Thanks for posting this Julie- it seems as tho AL has met other families and criminals, etc. very similar to the A's (yikes!)

My responses to her statements are in blue.

[Julie Dupree]

This is what Katprint wrote about the video done in the jail infirmary:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12879095&highlight=video#post12879095

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12884283&highlight=video#post12884283

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12885237&highlight=video#post12885237

Thanks desmom....:) I am glad Katprint found our little corner of the world. She explains things so well, even I can understand what she is saying.

[Julie Dupree]

Thanks for posting this Julie- it seems as tho AL has met other families and criminals, etc. very similar to the A's (yikes!)

My responses to her statements are in blue.

I would bet money that Cindy is still rocking from her time with AL.
For some wicked reason, that thought brings a smile to my face...:)

[Julie Dupree]

Good morning Julie...
Thank you for posting this information.
As much as this could help Casey in her plea to drop the DP I'm not sure if the Anthony's would be so supportive of AL and her getting a lot of "Truth" information about Casey. I mean, Cindy of course will want to make everything about Casey, Casey's fault. (Cindy has done nothing in raising her wrong):sneaky:
Cindy is the type that she won't want anything negative said about her raising Casey and George will stand by Cindy.
Now, If she can get Casey to talk and NOT lie through her teeth (Impossible)she might have a chance in he77 to convince them not to give her the DP. These people will cut their nose off to spite their faces.
Especially since Cindy will be writing a book.:rolleyes:
This murder case just may be interesting after all.

The more I learn about AL the more I think we may be in for a very good show:)

[cassidy]

I would bet money that Cindy is still rocking from her time with AL.
For some wicked reason, that thought brings a smile to my face...:)

I'll bet that AL is very very "gentle" (for lack of a better word) with the Anthony's. I think she wants them on her side (and Casey's side) in the courtroom. She's the one advocating visits with the parents. Would she throw them under the bus? You betcha, but before she does she wants them smiling at her and at her client.

JMO

[Julie Dupree]

I can understand JB telling Casey not to take visits from anyone because of the FL Sunshine laws and the taping of the visits. I would probably follow his instructions regarding the visits, but I would ignore his wishes that all letters between my child and I had to go through him.

I don't trust JB and it is not because he is Casey's attorney. His whining, sarcastic remarks, woe is me and running the national talk show circuit strike me as unprofessional.

I believe he as well as the Anthonys have turned this case into a media circus. He is another one that should have learned "no comment" a year ago.

jmo

:) I think AL is helping him understand the importance of watching what you say and to whom you say it as well.
But, as Judge Strickland said (maybe not exactly), "The horse is out of the barn" now and he can't go back and erase all those stupid things. I wonder if he is learning anything from her?

[Julie Dupree]

I'll bet that AL is very very "gentle" (for lack of a better word) with the Anthony's. I think she wants them on her side (and Casey's side) in the courtroom. She's the one advocating visits with the parents. Would she throw them under the bus? You betcha, but before she does she wants them smiling at her and at her client.

JMO

I think she would be very gentle, yes.
I also think she would be very firm and not accept all the lies they have been spewing for the last year.

[Jeepers]

Oh yeah, and remember THIS old favorite - IIRC - when he said "You will ALL LEARN to respect me!", too! Kneel at my Feet Knaves! Do not look me in the eye! Know me, Fear Me - BUT DO NOT MOCK ME!

Whatever. Hey Josie. Shutty.

Good morning Fool Me, I thought I left you chilling out last night. You have got it going on this a.m.!
Jose has got my respect, I am kneeling at his feet. If he had a ring I would kiss it.
Jose is a true warrior.
He has conquered the Florida Bar without rallying his fellow tribesmen.
With the mighty roar of his voice declaring "I don't recall" the Fla. Bar crumbled at his feet.
He has been wrongfully accused thus he has made a declaration that him and Casey are now gonna be a force to be reckon with. He is proclaiming that he will fight even harder for Casey knowing how she feels to have been unjustly accused of murderering her own child.

Let the Battle Began, cried Lord Baez! Casey gird up your Blue Party Dress costume saddle up your Pontiac steed and let's ride without haste to show the world that we will be respected.

[cassidy]

I think she would be very gentle, yes.
I also think she would be very firm and not accept all the lies they have been spewing for the last year.

If she doesn't accept the lies Cindy won't like her at all :ohmy:

[Julie Dupree]

OH, MY, Julie...GOOD CATCH SISTER! You are definitely onto something here! Is the Internet not the greatest thing...EVER!

I wonder if any of these uppity publicity seeking lawyers ever come to REGRET making PUBLIC these strategic plans? Does it ever bite them in the butt before their case gets to the jury? I can't imagine how it COULD NOT in this day and age! To me, it is kinda like finding the oppositions playbook before the big game! Does anyone agree?


Remember AL is also a professor and I think teaching is what she enjoys. She does other things to help pay the bills.
This article is from one of her books and probably is taught in her class.
I don't necessarily think it is her "game plan" for this case, but I do think she will follow the preparation protocol as outlined in this article.
Gotta run...time to hit the shower and get my day going.
Enjoy the day.
J

[Julie Dupree]

If she doesn't accept the lies Cindy won't like her at all :ohmy:

:) I don't think they will be hugging when they finish their conversation.

[Postergeist]

I also wonder - if Casey can get mail from just ordinary citizens, (and WE KNOW she is already accepting MONEY from strangers for her treats account) then what would keep her from just sitting in her cell and reading letters and writing BACK to folks just things like, thanks for the money, or your support or whatever the writer had shined her with in that letter? (I hope this makes sense.) TO, if nothing else, JUST PASS THE TIME and not think about her sad and lonely existence and the fact that her folks haven't seen her or spoken any TRUE words to her in over a year now?


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FMO- did you watch the alleged Caylee Memorial that the A's gave (that imo was a Casey O Pep Rally)?

George HIMSELF asked the viewing audience and attendees to write a letter to his daughter to just say "hi"..

so yes, it's not an IF she can get mail, she is allowed mail just like ANY inmate in the US- if the mail is sent to her Jailhouse addy which can easily be found by googling.

Now- doubtful she'd get it if say- it was mailed to the A's or to Baez and asking them to "forward" it on.

And there is nothing from stopping her from writing back to any penpals--

As long as she has money to purchase stamps with.

[sydney]

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FMO- did you watch the alleged Caylee Memorial that the A's gave (that imo was a Casey O Pep Rally)?

George HIMSELF asked the viewing audience and attendees to write a letter to his daughter to just say "hi"..

so yes, it's not an IF she can get mail, she is allowed mail just like ANY inmate in the US- if the mail is sent to her Jailhouse addy which can easily be found by googling.

Now- doubtful she'd get it if say- it was mailed to the A's or to Baez and asking them to "forward" it on.

And there is nothing from stopping her from writing back to any penpals--

As long as she has money to purchase stamps with.

hey, postie! remember the dud(e) who puts money in her commissary account? how do you think she got wind of that? do you think he could have possibly "written a letter" and sent it to her beforehand? i mean, wouldn't you wonder why you suddenly had an influx of money in your account and want to know who was responsible for it?

or does kc NOT know? i'm sure she's getting fanmail from flounders out there who are obsessed with people like her. happens all the time.

anyone?

[cassidy]

:) I don't think they will be hugging when they finish their conversation.


WHOA! That's be a sight :) Cindy and Al hugging that is.

[Postergeist]

I would bet money that Cindy is still rocking from her time with AL.
For some wicked reason, that thought brings a smile to my face...:)

hmmm, wonder if this was what the pow wow could've been last week when really noticed all the cars camped out at their home. Maybe AL was doing her prep work w/ the family, and the M's were there for support.

I don't believe the A's will tell anything factual to AL and will try to gloss over anything that would cast them in a bad light- even if it would help Casey appear to be from some wretched, horrendous living environment that slightly could garner her sympathy.

nope- I see Cindy doing a Mary J.- none of them got nothing on me ...way I walk, way I talk, my swagga... I aint saying that I am the best but I'm the best

[sydney]

hmmm, wonder if this was what the pow wow could've been last week when really noticed all the cars camped out at their home. Maybe AL was doing her prep work w/ the family, and the M's were there for support.


(snipped)

if the a's were discussing the case with al and the m's were present, that conversation wouldn't be privileged then would it? hmmmm - interesting thought......

[sydney]

WHOA! That's be a sight :) Cindy and Al hugging that is.

(hey, cass!) thanks for that image. i don't need breakfast now.

[sydney]

nope- I see Cindy doing a Mary J.- none of them got nothing on me ...way I walk, way I talk, my swagga... I aint saying that I am the best but I'm the best

(snipped) oops - missed including this - aren't the rest of the of the words "they ain't got nuthin on me, nuthin on me?" or is that just in the commercial i keep seeing?

[Jeepers]

http://depaullaw.typepad.com/library/2008/03/60-minutes-segm.html

This is the case about Alton Logan that was innocent but found guilty.
He sat in prison for 26 years until the real killer died. Before the real killer passed away the attorney's went to him and got his permission to tell the real story after his death so Mr. Logan would might be released.

Andrea Lyons considered herself one of the attorney's working for the guilty client. At the time Andrea was a supervisor for 22 attorney's
She read the written confession and notarized the affidavit. It was then locked away for 26 years.
She knew Mr. Logan was innocent of the crime but due to attorney client privilage she and the others felt it was their duty to protect their client.
So what the Hay! Mr. Logan did not get the death penalty so it was ok for him to sit there for all those years.

Casey is in good hands. I don't want Casey to get the DP.anyway I want her to trimble in fear everyday she opens up her eyes.

There are things in life that are worse than death. jmo

[Postergeist]

hey, postie! remember the dud(e) who puts money in her commissary account? how do you think she got wind of that? do you think he could have possibly "written a letter" and sent it to her beforehand? i mean, wouldn't you wonder why you suddenly had an influx of money in your account and want to know who was responsible for it?

or does kc NOT know? i'm sure she's getting fanmail from flounders out there who are obsessed with people like her. happens all the time.

anyone?


Mornin' syd! LOL- well, IRRC there have been a few dudes and dudettes sending $$ to Casey- I'd think some would include a note, I don't think she'd see the money order (if that was all that was sent).

We need some CO's posting (corrections officers) to fill us in.

Now, Baez & group could tell her who sent what on their visits as far as what the media found out on who was sending stuff. I doubt that Baez would pay $ for that info, he'd let the media pay & use their info to pass on to her, imo.

Recall she was getting fan mail early on- that odd little girl that was writing to her, then later Casey started emailing her when she was out on bond.

I see that FMO has logged off- but I hope no one thinks that Casey's attorneys can anyway get Casey's mail sent by USPS and intercept that before his client gets it.

I'm starting to get the beginnings of a headache just from the past few pages of posts- my eyes! lol

[sydney]

She read the written confession and notarized the affidavit. It was then locked away for 26 years.


(snipped - sorry, jeepers)

how is this possible? is it only the prosecution that has to produce exculpatory evidence?

kat, lapis?

[Postergeist]

(snipped)

if the a's were discussing the case with al and the m's were present, that conversation wouldn't be privileged then would it? hmmmm - interesting thought......

I'd think none of it's privileged, she does not represent the A's period.

imo

[sydney]

Mornin' syd! LOL- well, IRRC there have been a few dudes and dudettes sending $$ to Casey- I'd think some would include a note, I don't think she'd see the money order (if that was all that was sent).

We need some CO's posting (corrections officers) to fill us in.

I'm starting to get the beginnings of a headache just from the past few pages of posts- my eyes! lol

me too - and i've got a full day's work ahead!

would the money just be put into her account with no explanation? wouldn't some written direction or MAIL accompany it? or can you just send a money order payable to your favorite accused and it will be automatically deposited?

[Postergeist]

(snipped) oops - missed including this - aren't the rest of the of the words "they ain't got nuthin on me, nuthin on me?" or is that just in the commercial i keep seeing?

yep- it's her song titled "The One"- she's had it out for a while, released back in June.

yeah I'm that :biggrin:

[bchand]

I'd think none of it's privileged, she does not represent the A's period.

imo

But in the case Jeepers just referenced:

Professor Andrea Lyon, the director of the DePaul Center for Justice in Capital Cases, worked with the two attorneys in defending Mr. Wilson, their client. As a practical matter she considered Mr. Wilson to be her client as well. So she also was among the attorneys who decided not disclose the confession.

So she may "consider" the Anthonys to be her clients also? Seems it's all up to her.

eta: Good Morning everyone.

[cassidy]

me too - and i've got a full day's work ahead!

would the money just be put into her account with no explanation? wouldn't some written direction or MAIL accompany it? or can you just send a money order payable to your favorite accused and it will be automatically deposited?


I think you can just send a money order and indicate to whom you want it to go. No need for a note or letter.

[trich]

This I don't get.
I thought the defense attorney was not allowed to tell the story as to how this happened. I thought the defendant had to get up on the stand if they wanted to tell their story of her innocents.:confused:
Seems to me that would be easy if everybody was able to have that luxury. Then the State couldn't cross-x the killer.
Just say,,jmo

I am pretty sure a defense attorney can not testify for his client.
If he is to present a defense of "this is what really happened" I believe the client would have to get up on the stand and testify , under oath.

Okay legal eagles am I right or wrong?

I do have to say though I would love for Casey to testify under oath as to her story.
I know it will never happen but IMO it would be something to see and hear.

[Postergeist]

me too - and i've got a full day's work ahead!

would the money just be put into her account with no explanation? wouldn't some written direction or MAIL accompany it? or can you just send a money order payable to your favorite accused and it will be automatically deposited?

Not sure- I posted earlier I've never had a loved one in jail, so never had the need to send correspondence to any jail. I did post the link to the OC jail web site- maybe one of the attorneys will answer that later, or someone that does jail penpal stuff can answer.

I'm just guessing it gets automatically deposited.

take some advil, I did, lol

[Jeepers]

(snipped - sorry, jeepers)

how is this possible? is it only the prosecution that has to produce exculpatory evidence?

kat, lapis?

This is what I have been looking at:

Here is a link to another article talking: the attorney's for the real killer went to him and found out Mr. Logan was innocent. I guess they felt bad for Mr. Logan but not enough to tell the truth. Their client got off and they felt their duty was to protect him at all cost and so be it Mr. Logan got the blame it was not their problem. Ethics Legal/Ethics Moral

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/06/60minutes/main3914719.shtml



Attorneys Dale Coventry and Jamie Kunz knew Logan had good reason to think that, because they knew he was innocent. And they knew that because their client, Andrew Wilson, who they were defending for killing two policemen, confessed to them that he had also killed the security guard at McDonald's - the crime Logan was charged with.

"We got information that Wilson was the guy and not Alton Logan. So we went over to the jail immediately almost and said, 'Is that true? Was that you?' And he said, 'Yep it was me,'" Kunz recalled.

"He just about hugged himself and smiled. I mean he was kind of gleeful about it. It was a very strange response," Kunz said, recalling how Wilson had reacted.

"How did you interpret that response?" Simon asked.

"That it was true and that he was tickled pink," Kunz said.

"He was pleased that the wrong guy had been charged. It was like a game and he'd gotten away with something. But there was just no doubt whatsoever that it was true. I mean I said, 'It was you with the shotgun-you killed the guy?' And he said, 'Yes,' and then he giggled," Coventry added.

The problem was the killer was their client. So, legally, they had to keep his secret even though an innocent man was about to be tried for murder.

[Postergeist]

But in the case Jeepers just referenced:

Professor Andrea Lyon, the director of the DePaul Center for Justice in Capital Cases, worked with the two attorneys in defending Mr. Wilson, their client. As a practical matter she considered Mr. Wilson to be her client as well. So she also was among the attorneys who decided not disclose the confession.

So she may "consider" the Anthonys to be her clients also? Seems it's all up to her.

eta: Good Morning everyone.

well golly, if that's all it takes bchand- then I'll just "consider" myself as one of Clive Owen's "close" friends...throw in Dr. Drew, but like that old country tune But it's ooo-only make be-lieve

[msgatorslayer]

JMO, Cindy has done everything in her power to sabatoge Casey. What she thinks is helping is hurting. Her talking to Lyon's about family history for mitigating factors will be no different.

I expect her to hold everything back and tell a bunch of mis-truths. That Casey was a good kid. Never lied. Never did anything wrong. No signs of mental instability. No arguing with family members. Hard worker. Loved her Daughter. No signs of violence, etc all. {This will all be said pre-murder conviction. When Cindy thumbs her nose at the system that hasn't proven Casey is guilty}

After the conviction, when Casey's life is finally hanging in the balance and the games are over, she may finally, FINALLY, tell some truths. In order to get sympathy from the jury. That's a HUGE MAYBE, lol.

By then, as usual, it will be to late. Cindy will have already sabatoged the mitigating factors. As the state will have Cindy's original statements to Lyon's that Casey was a good egg.

I think if Lyon's has any chance of getting the truth about Casey, she needs to talk with George. It should be her goal to get close to him.

[JHP]

But in the case Jeepers just referenced:

Professor Andrea Lyon, the director of the DePaul Center for Justice in Capital Cases, worked with the two attorneys in defending Mr. Wilson, their client. As a practical matter she considered Mr. Wilson to be her client as well. So she also was among the attorneys who decided not disclose the confession.

So she may "consider" the Anthonys to be her clients also? Seems it's all up to her.

eta: Good Morning everyone.

I think that there is some kind of enmeshment with all the attorneys. I mean BC, and Baez&co, and even Lee's. Supposedly they don't agree about things however look at how fast George moved when Baez told him to.
I'm not sure if they're all kind of working together, OR if no-one trusts each other.
As LKL said WEIRD.

[sydney]

I think you can just send a money order and indicate to whom you want it to go. No need for a note or letter.

do you think that would be considered mail?

[Jeepers]

"Lyon also has a book coming out next year: Angel of Death Row: My Life as a Death Penalty Defense Lawyer. It tells the story of the first woman in the nation to serve as lead attorney on a death penalty case.

Outside the Orange County Courthouse Thursday, Lyon was quick to say she may be the lead attorney on paper but considers herself an equal member of an "excellent team," which includes Jose Baez from Kissimmee, Linda Kenney Baden from New York and Todd Macaluso from San Diego."

I bet Baez choked on his Cherrio's. Lyons saying,"I may be the lead attorney on paper but considers herself an equal member of an excellent team"

She has a new book coming out - think I understand why she got involved with Casey Case. Lots of free publicity.
She is also using the same book company that reported they were not doing a book on Caylee for Anthony's. What was their name it starts with an S

[bchand]

I think that there is some kind of enmeshment with all the attorneys. I mean BC, and Baez&co, and even Lee's. Supposedly they don't agree about things however look at how fast George moved when Baez told him to.
I'm not sure if they're all kind of working together, OR if no-one trusts each other.
As LKL said WEIRD.

As we've seen, the Anthony's are easily manipulated.

Starting with Casey and even by someone they formerly said they didn't like/trust, Jose Baez.

[sydney]

So she may "consider" the Anthonys to be her clients also? Seems it's all up to her.


gm, bc! good morning to you!

but considering them as clients and them BEING her clients are two different things, no? i mean, bc is their attorney so how can she act on their behalf? o my poor, caffeine-deprived brain!

[bchand]

"Lyon also has a book coming out next year: Angel of Death Row: My Life as a Death Penalty Defense Lawyer. It tells the story of the first woman in the nation to serve as lead attorney on a death penalty case.

Outside the Orange County Courthouse Thursday, Lyon was quick to say she may be the lead attorney on paper but considers herself an equal member of an "excellent team," which includes Jose Baez from Kissimmee, Linda Kenney Baden from New York and Todd Macaluso from San Diego."

I bet Baez choked on his Cherrio's. Lyons saying,"I may be the lead attorney on paper but considers herself an equal member of an excellent team"

She has a new book coming out - think I understand why she got involved with Casey Case. Lots of free publicity.
She is also using the same book company that reported they were not doing a book on Caylee for Anthony's. What was their name it starts with an S



"Simon & Schuster does not have a book deal with the Anthony's or anybody else associated with this case."

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/08/casey-anthony-simon-schuster-says-it-has-no-deal-with-anthonys.html

[Postergeist]

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She is also using the same book company that reported they were not doing a book on Caylee for Anthony's. What was their name it starts with an S


Simon and Schuster?

[bchand]

gm, bc! good morning to you!

but considering them as clients and them BEING her clients are two different things, no? i mean, bc is their attorney so how can she act on their behalf? o my poor, caffeine-deprived brain!

Morning sydney ! Because she knows she can get them to do anything she wants in order to get the killer off? She MUST know how bad it looks that this family hasn't visited their daughter since October. It shows the public they know she's guilty and don't want to give the DA anything else to convict her.

They say their conversations will be "mishconstrued". Balderdash !

From her own site:

I don't claim to speak with any great moral authority, but I think I know right from wrong.

http://www.andrealyon.com/linked/adlchicagolawyer.pdf

So she can leave an innocent man sit in prison for 26 years but has no problem trying to get a child-murderer off scott free?

I can't say she knows right from wrong at all.

[desmom]

JMO, Cindy has done everything in her power to sabatoge Casey. What she thinks is helping is hurting. Her talking to Lyon's about family history for mitigating factors will be no different.

I expect her to hold everything back and tell a bunch of mis-truths. That Casey was a good kid. Never lied. Never did anything wrong. No signs of mental instability. No arguing with family members. Hard worker. Loved her Daughter. No signs of violence, etc all. {This will all be said pre-murder conviction. When Cindy thumbs her nose at the system that hasn't proven Casey is guilty}

After the conviction, when Casey's life is finally hanging in the balance and the games are over, she may finally, FINALLY, tell some truths. In order to get sympathy from the jury. That's a HUGE MAYBE, lol.

By then, as usual, it will be to late. Cindy will have already sabatoged the mitigating factors. As the state will have Cindy's original statements to Lyon's that Casey was a good egg.

I think if Lyon's has any chance of getting the truth about Casey, she needs to talk with George. It should be her goal to get close to him.


Morning MsGator. Would Lyon call Cindy on her mis-truths and point out witness statements? i.e Shirley Plesea's re Casey stealing from her TWICE, George's re Casey stealing from Caylee's savings account and piggy bank, Lee's re: Casey stealing from him, Ryan's re: Cindy called Casey a sociopath.....

[msgatorslayer]

Morning MsGator. Would Lyon call Cindy on her mis-truths and point out witness statements? i.e Shirley Plesea's re Casey stealing from her TWICE, George's re Casey stealing from Caylee's savings account and piggy bank, Lee's re: Casey stealing from him, Ryan's re: Cindy called Casey a sociopath.....

I would hope she would. But I think it's going to take, geez, I don't know what it will take, for Lyon's, or anyone, to get into Cindy's head and make her realize she needs to tell the truth.

Lyon's can call her on these things but if Cindy doesn't budge, I don't know what she can do. Other than assessing the situation by telling it like she sees it. That the Mother of the Defendant is in denial. Her stories do not jive with what others, including the Defendant's own Father says. {Could turn into more of sympathy card. How the crime is impacting the family, etc.}

[Postergeist]

Morning sydney ! Because she knows she can get them to do anything she wants in order to get the killer off? She MUST know how bad it looks that this family hasn't visited their daughter since October. It shows the public they know she's guilty and don't want to give the DA anything else to convict her.

They say their conversations will be "mishconstrued". Balderdash !

From her own site:

I don't claim to speak with any great moral authority, but I think I know right from wrong.

http://www.andrealyon.com/linked/adlchicagolawyer.pdf

So she can leave an innocent man sit in prison for 26 years but has no problem trying to get a child-murderer off scott free?

I can't say she knows right from wrong at all.

Excellent points bchand! :thumbup:

well, maybe if AL sat in prison for 26 yrs, or lost a child to murder it would matter to her- or maybe it only depends on who's paying $ for her rightness and wrongness beliefs and who doesn't have the dough.

:shrug:

[101Spots]

"Simon & Schuster does not have a book deal with the Anthony's or anybody else associated with this case."

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/08/casey-anthony-simon-schuster-says-it-has-no-deal-with-anthonys.html

Kathy Reichs is published by Scribner, which is an imprint (subdivision) of Simon & Shuster.

http://www.simonandschuster.biz/content/feature.cfm?feature_id=1636&tab=2

There *is* a connection.

[desmom]

I would hope she would. But I think it's going to take, geez, I don't know what it will take, for Lyon's, or anyone, to get into Cindy's head and make her realize she needs to tell the truth.

Lyon's can call her on these things but if Cindy doesn't budge, I don't know what she can do. Other than assessing the situation by telling it like she sees it. That the Mother of the Defendant is in denial. Her stories do not jive with what others, including the Defendant's own Father says. {Could turn into more of sympathy card. How the crime is impacting the family, etc.}

Hmmm, turn into a sympathy card or it could do just the opposite and make the jury wonder what Cindy knows and she is lying to protect Casey.

I am really curious to how much time George, Cindy and Lee will actually spend on the stand during trial.
I do not think George and Lee will be a problem with answering questions. Cindy on the other hand is going to have to learn how to answer the question and stop with the story telling.

jmo

[sydney]

I would hope she would. But I think it's going to take, geez, I don't know what it will take, for Lyon's, or anyone, to get into Cindy's head and make her realize she needs to tell the truth.

Lyon's can call her on these things but if Cindy doesn't budge, I don't know what she can do. Other than assessing the situation by telling it like she sees it. That the Mother of the Defendant is in denial. Her stories do not jive with what others, including the Defendant's own Father says. {Could turn into more of sympathy card. How the crime is impacting the family, etc.}

hey, ms! (glad to see you are counting)

the problem with the a's, as i see it, is no one - NO ONE can control them. o, they'll prolly nod their heads in agreement with the advice given to them and swear that they'll do as told but, once they are on the stand, it's all bets are off - how DARE ANYONE make insinuations about the perfect family! and all that jazz.

i've watched a trial or two and most people admit there are problems in their families when asked - nobody has a perfect family, as no human being is perfect. so what if you admit to problems? your defense attorney will be there to help clear up any inconsistencies or "damaging" statements you may make. not only that, if you admit to problems or issues, you won't put the jury off by acting all superior and trying to insult their intelligence. if the a's don't change their behaviour, they will certainly alienate the jury - which will NOT help their daughter.

[Ellie]

Morning sydney ! Because she knows she can get them to do anything she wants in order to get the killer off? She MUST know how bad it looks that this family hasn't visited their daughter since October. It shows the public they know she's guilty and don't want to give the DA anything else to convict her.

They say their conversations will be "mishconstrued". Balderdash !

From her own site:

I don't claim to speak with any great moral authority, but I think I know right from wrong.

http://www.andrealyon.com/linked/adlchicagolawyer.pdf

So she can leave an innocent man sit in prison for 26 years but has no problem trying to get a child-murderer off scott free?

I can't say she knows right from wrong at all.

Well said, but I do think she knows right from wrong, she apparently just doesn't care. Ethics must not play a very big role in her life. No wonder she looks like she doesn't sleep much-- she probably can't.

[Postergeist]

<snipped>

I do not think George and Lee will be a problem with answering questions. Cindy on the other hand is going to have to learn how to answer the question and stop with the story telling.

jmo

Nay! Nay I say desmom! I DO think George will be a problem answering questions-

Lee will have difficulties due to his giggles, twitters, guffaws and also not being one to give a short answer. (however, Lee may suffer from IEED "Involuntary Emotional Expression Disorder” or Tourette's- which would likely be vehemently denied by the matriarch).

I feel that Cindy is incapable of ever learning how to answer truthfully and will not be able to ever stop her fantastical retelling of events.

imo

[101Spots]

Well said, but I do think she knows right from wrong, she apparently just doesn't care. Ethics must not play a very big role in her life. No wonder she looks like she doesn't sleep much-- she probably can't.

I understand attorney-client privilege, and I reluctantly agree that AL followed the letter of the law in this matter. It bothers me that there are no loopholes/conditions/exemptions for these kinds of matters, or that AL didn't take appropriate actions even if it meant losing her bar accreditation. How in good conscience could she leave a man in prison for 26 years for a crime he did not commit? Apparently she was much more important that this man, as she considered 26 years of his life as >nothing<.

[msgatorslayer]

hey, ms! (glad to see you are counting)

the problem with the a's, as i see it, is no one - NO ONE can control them. o, they'll prolly nod their heads in agreement with the advice given to them and swear that they'll do as told but, once they are on the stand, it's all bets are off - how DARE ANYONE make insinuations about the perfect family! and all that jazz.

i've watched a trial or two and most people admit there are problems in their families when asked - nobody has a perfect family, as no human being is perfect. so what if you admit to problems? your defense attorney will be there to help clear up any inconsistencies or "damaging" statements you may make. not only that, if you admit to problems or issues, you won't put the jury off by acting all superior and trying to insult their intelligence. if the a's don't change their behaviour, they will certainly alienate the jury - which will NOT help their daughter.

Hey Sydney. Yes, I remembered to count, lol.

ITA - Cindy has alienated the public and I can't see her being stopped from in turn doing the very same thing to the jury.

I always wonder if it isn't a passive-aggressive behavoir of hers. That she can't stand Casey but doesn't want to say that so she just goes about her way, praising Casey while completely sabatoging her.

[ish]

You could be right...I just thought it was interesting that C&G said they were writing letters to KC and now there is this new sign at the jail...hummmm

Don't remember if Cindy said KC was writing them back...but thought she said something about "we" are writing letters back and forth or something like that.

Can you just see Cindy trying to crack the "code" in Casey's letters? "hey George, Casey starts the letter off with "Dear Mom and Dad" I think she isn't really addressing it to us as Mom and Dad, but she means whoever is Mom and Dad at the moment, and then she signs it, Love, Casey, What is this "love" and why is she suddenly using a word she never used before? If we can break this code George, we can find out who really killed that little girl" George? George? GEORGE!!!" "Enough already with that darn reflector and help me, I don't think the FLBs meant it as a compliment when they said you looked like George Hamilton!!":laugh:

[Amy]

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I THINK HE IS SCARED TO DEATH about the trial. He is kinda like Casey in some respects...he just put off and put off worrying about this "problem" he has, until the "tumor bump" just can't be hidden anymore! When "real life" action is needed and necessary, they both just shuck and jive to beat the band as they try to tap dance the heck out of the situation! But it never really works out. It just waits for them to stop moving and hold still so everyone else can see it, too!

I think Bozo is secretly hoping and praying that someone - ANYONE - will just ride in and rescue him from this case - and he can QUIT in some kinda way that he can at least save a "portion of his face!" I don't think he can actually MAKE it to trial in the first chair...and if he can't have THAT - he will QUIT himself and say he has some half azzed LEGAL reason and then just slink away quietly to lick his considerable wounds! HE looks like deers in the headlights - he does not want to play anymore if you ask me...he's just waiting for AL to tell him to leave. MOO. :glare: Someone, anyone, TELL ME WHAT TO DO!

He is realizing he is completely OUTWITTED, OUTPLAYED and most certainly will be OUTLASTED and shown to be just a humongous WASTE - COMPLETE WASTE as an attorney. His future depends on this, imo. At least in this country anywhere...he let everyone see his incompetence!

I guess he could teach at a Jr. College or something along those lines...he is trying not to be EMBARRASSED ANYMORE! He looks more confused and scared as time passes! Did you see the Prosecution table reacting to him the last hearing? THEY WERE LAUGHING AT HIM! He saw it. HE knows it. HE DOES. So does Casey, imo.

AL schooled them...BOTH. :sad:

He couldn't even talk coherently @ motions hearings. Whatever was written o n his notes, either he didn't follow well, or they weren't written well. Probably ANY of his law clerks could have done a good job of writing precise, coherent notes that sound professional instead of his layperson words--and even in lay terms he wasn't doing so well, IMO.

Oh, I'm not sure his office was big enough for them to even have law clerks. Supposedly there is another lawyer, but one really can't find out any information on that on his website that has the home page and not one link opens. Well, I admit I haven't checked for some months now, but I doubt he has had time to work on his website.

According to the prosecution of a previous trial (the one where his win was no DP, where the fellow is suing HIM,) he is a brilliant attorney. I'm not sure that is the word used, but the prosecutor gave him good marks for how well he did. I just can't see it, cuz there hasn't been anything Baez has done that has been coherent, professional, or precise. Some of the things he has said make him sound like he did not pay attention in many of his classes @ the law school. It sounds like he doesn't know the law, or as he has shown about letters, laptops and hugging IF he knows the law, it surely does not apply to him or his client.

Oh, and he already has been a professor @ a college. Taught something about preparing for trial--I sure do feel sorry for those that attended his classes. I wonder if that college ever got its accreditation? I can't imagine that college keeping him on, seeing his own performance in preparing for trial.

[joshgabe1]

Unless Baez was a complete dumbass (who wants to take THAT bet?), he only showed Casey the letters but then retained possession of them. Casey's cell is subject to search at any time, and if they find personal letters that did not come through the proper jail channels then those letters are "contraband" same as if they found money or cigarettes or street clothing or any of the other things that jail inmates are not supposed to have. Unscreened personal letters would be confiscated and could be given to the prosecution to be used against Casey, same as any other non-privileged communication.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Katprint, what about messages on Baez laptop. Couldn't he simply let Casey read letters from her family and even respond during their visits with him doing the typing ?
Would that be illegal also?

[Amy]

Good morning Fool Me, I thought I left you chilling out last night. You have got it going on this a.m.!
Jose has got my respect, I am kneeling at his feet. If he had a ring I would kiss it.
Jose is a true warrior.
He has conquered the Florida Bar without rallying his fellow tribesmen.
With the mighty roar of his voice declaring "I don't recall" the Fla. Bar crumbled at his feet.
He has been wrongfully accused thus he has made a declaration that him and Casey are now gonna be a force to be reckon with. He is proclaiming that he will fight even harder for Casey knowing how she feels to have been unjustly accused of murderering her own child.

Let the Battle Began, cried Lord Baez! Casey gird up your Blue Party Dress costume saddle up your Pontiac steed and let's ride without haste to show the world that we will be respected.

:lol::lol::lol: Good one!!!!

[Postergeist]

Cindy will just tell AL...OK...go there Ms. Lyon...I dare you to go there...

:laugh:

<boy I miss our laffing Santa, woulda used that>

[adair]

Originally Posted by Amy View Post
Oh, but remember, Jose says that Casey HAS told him the truth, and that when all this comes out in trial, we will understand what went down, and why Casey acted as she did, and will KNOW she is innocent. Just like other cases, it sure seems to me that, if there is evidence and proof of someone's innocence, why would her lawyer let her lanquish in jail for even one minute, let alone months or years (while the defense delays, delays, delays) instead of getting that information, proof, evidence to the prosecutors so they could be on the case of the real killer? Or, if the lawyer feels they would have to present this evidence/proof to a judge and jury, why not demand on a speedy trial so his innocent client can get out of jail NOW, instead of in a year or so?

DL - I think that most defense lawyers DO keep the story out of the media the best they can - unless it serves their client in some way NOT to...and the way Amy describes the way an INNOCENT defendant may feel if their trial were being delayed for any other reason than they know they are GUILTY and so they are TRYING to DELAY to try to make the prosecution make a mistep or get her off on some sort of legal snafu technicality...or they set it up so that an Appeal will be almost assured after trial.

If I was in jail, and I was innocent, and I knew what happened to my daughter, and I knew I was NOT covering for some imaginary kidnapping nannies...THEY WOULD HAVE TO SEDATE ME EVERY DAY...Cause as soon as I got up, I would get out my tincup and start raking the bars back and forth screaming I DIDN'T DO IT! LET ME OUTTA HERE! FGS! No one would have to tell me twice! I'd be at the top of my considerable lungs!

Hey! Wait a minute! POLYGRAPH! (rake rake) SKETCH ARTIST! (rake rake) TRUTH SERUM! (rake rake) HYPNOSIS! (rake rake) (rake rake) (rake rake) (rake rake) (rake rake)

Rest. Repeat. Repeat. REPEAT! REPEAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH, COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

If only she had known to scream out "GET ME ANDREA LYONS!" way back in the beginning!

If only....

ITA

...Hows your coffee?

[adair]

The caption for the video is misleading. It says the A's will be mailing Casey letters despite POLICY. It should say despite AGREEMENT w/Baez. It's not against POLICY to mail the letters.

Anyway. So, the attorney interviewed said she knew of the policy against lawyers taking letters in--they are warned about that, and that there would be serious repercussion-so, why isn't Baez being raked over the coals on this? They (OCSO) has to KNOW he was taking letters to and from, so why just have the policy posted? (And don't give me that guff that it wasn't posted because of Baez.) Why isn't Baez looking @ deep do-do from the state and the bar about this? Why are they being soft on Baez about this, just like the hugging carp?


That is a very good question, Didnt Conway even say that is how they were communicating, and if so, Conway knew it was wrong......
How long until Conway get fired by G & C....? JMO

(I dont have a link to Conway saying this, but I am pretty sure it was him)

[Sun]

Unless Baez was a complete dumbass (who wants to take THAT bet?), he only showed Casey the letters but then retained possession of them. Casey's cell is subject to search at any time, and if they find personal letters that did not come through the proper jail channels then those letters are "contraband" same as if they found money or cigarettes or street clothing or any of the other things that jail inmates are not supposed to have. Unscreened personal letters would be confiscated and could be given to the prosecution to be used against Casey, same as any other non-privileged communication.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Thanks Kat, for this good piece of info!

[EMAA]

That is a very good question, Didnt Conway even say that is how they were communicating, and if so, Conway knew it was wrong......
How long until Conway get fired by G & C....? JMO

(I dont have a link to Conway saying this, but I am pretty sure it was him)

IMO they feel superior to Conway. They can scream and yell at him, then turn on their heels and walk out the door, leaving him sitting there in his chair.

[Amy]

Hmmm, turn into a sympathy card or it could do just the opposite and make the jury wonder what Cindy knows and she is lying to protect Casey.

I am really curious to how much time George, Cindy and Lee will actually spend on the stand during trial.
I do not think George and Lee will be a problem with answering questions. Cindy on the other hand is going to have to learn how to answer the question and stop with the story telling.

jmo

Lee seems to be level headed, as in his interviews w/LE and FBI, and even his depo w/Morgan & Co. Earnest, sincere, cooperative. But, he kind of blew it, IMO, with his statement of believing everything Casey told him, when he answers seemed to contradict that. Oh, and his giggle/snicker/chortle/sinister laugh was weird and inappropriate, but he did not fly off the handle.

George and Cindy, while they weren't angry or hostile in their LE/FBI interviews, sure showed they can get their mettle up when they did the civil depos. Anger, hostility, opposition. I swear, if Morgan had said they were in Orlando, FL, that either one would have contradicted him on that!!! I was surprised they were so mild for the state depos, but I'm betting that either one on the stand would be just like they were @ the civil depo. In spades.

George wasn't openly defiant and angry in the portion of that last hearing that I watched, but he did do the mouth twisting and head rearing. He appears to me as someone who thinks that he should NOT have to be there, that he should NOT have to answer their questions, that some have been asked and answered and it is irritating to have to do so again. I see both of them being volatile. There will times court will have to be recessed, and I'm betting there will be a few charges of contempt of court with these two. IMO