8/30 thru 11/9 (Jury selection George Thomas' trial)

[RachelRose]

This article says Hawkins and Hamilton county, so it's unclear which county the jury actually will be coming from, but apparently not Knox.

http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=97386&catid=2

[wnb]

It will be Hamilton County which is Chattanooga. The idiot judge should have picked Hamilton County from the start if he was going for an urban area outside Knoxville. By having 3 different counties for each trial so far, it may end up in a series of reversals on appeal.

[Jaxnoeny]

It will be Hamilton County which is Chattanooga. The idiot judge should have picked Hamilton County from the start if he was going for an urban area outside Knoxville. By having 3 different counties for each trial so far, it may end up in a series of reversals on appeal.

I live in Hawkins county and I would not want to be on this jury! I could not imagine sitting on the jury and seeing the evidence. This is the most horrific crime I have ever heard about! The victims' families have to re-live this over and over. My thoughts and prayers are with them. I am not an advocate of the DP but in this case I could definately change my mind on that issue!

[wnb]

Tonight I again watched the MSNBC program, "In Cold Blood." This is about the December 2000 "Wichita Horror," on which the Carr brothers broke into a condo and killed 4 people with one survivor who was wounded and ran to call help.

The Christian-Newsom murders have been compared to the Wichita Horror. In Wichita, there were 5 murder victims and two survivors over 3 crime scenes. Still, the Wichita Horror does not seem as bad as the hideous torture that was inflicted on Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom, and that is saying something.

The judge in Wichita did things differently than the Knoxville judge. The defense asked for the trial to be moved out of Wichita and for the Carr brothers to have separate trials. This would enable the attorneys for each brother to blame the other. The judge rejected the defense requests. The trial remained in Wichita with a local jury and there was one jury for both defendants.

In Knoxville, Judge Baumgartner is bringing in outside juries, except for Davidson who wants a Knox county jury. He gave each defendant a separate trial.

[aubrey04]

I thought Thomas was going to be last.. or at the very least 2nd to last.. Davidson is supposedly the next up.. ?

:confused:

[aubrey04]

Tonight I again watched the MSNBC program, "In Cold Blood." This is about the December 2000 "Wichita Horror," on which the Carr brothers broke into a condo and killed 4 people with one survivor who was wounded and ran to call help.

The Christian-Newsom murders have been compared to the Wichita Horror. In Wichita, there were 5 murder victims and two survivors over 3 crime scenes. Still, the Wichita Horror does not seem as bad as the hideous torture that was inflicted on Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom, and that is saying something.

The judge in Wichita did things differently than the Knoxville judge. The defense asked for the trial to be moved out of Wichita and for the Carr brothers to have separate trials. This would enable the attorneys for each brother to blame the other. The judge rejected the defense requests. The trial remained in Wichita with a local jury and there was one jury for both defendants.

In Knoxville, Judge Baumgartner is bringing in outside juries, except for Davidson who wants a Knox county jury. He gave each defendant a separate trial.

wnb,

I didn't know that there was a special on the Wichita Horrors - I would have loved to watch that. I have read extensively about that case..

I don't really know which one was worse. I put them on the same level of depravity and evil.

[wnb]

wnb,

I didn't know that there was a special on the Wichita Horrors - I would have loved to watch that. I have read extensively about that case..

I don't really know which one was worse. I put them on the same level of depravity and evil.

MSNBC shows it every few months. The program was well done and had some trial footage. The prosecutor was a lot tougher on the defense witnesses in the penalty phase than in Knoxville in my opinion. When I watched it tonight after following the first Knoxville trial, the depravity and evil seemed to be worse in the house on Chipman St. It took some doing to top the Wichita Horror, but Davidson and company may have done so.

[Survivor]

I thought Thomas was going to be last.. or at the very least 2nd to last.. Davidson is supposedly the next up.. ?

:confused:

The Thomas trial is set for Oct.28/09. Davidsons is scheduled for Sept 21/09, barring any setbacks.

Bring it on :thumbup:

[aubrey04]

MSNBC shows it every few months. The program was well done and had some trial footage. The prosecutor was a lot tougher on the defense witnesses in the penalty phase than in Knoxville in my opinion. When I watched it tonight after following the first Knoxville trial, the depravity and evil seemed to be worse in the house on Chipman St. It took some doing to top the Wichita Horror, but Davidson and company may have done so.

Thank you, wnb. Well, yeah, I guess the depravity of pouring bleach on open gaping wounds and down the mouth of Channon while she was still alive, then putting her in a trashcan while she was alive, so she slowly suffucated to death really can't be outdone. But the Wichita Massacre is about level with it.

The Thomas trial is set for Oct.28/09. Davidsons is scheduled for Sept 21/09, barring any setbacks.

Bring it on :thumbup:

Thanks, Survivor. So the judge is just getting prepared for Thomas' trial.. but still the main focus is Davidson.. I gotcha. I hope that Davidson's trial goes off as planned on Sept 21st. Can't wait to see what the defense in his case tries to do.

:bored:

[Mandysmom]

The Thomas trial is set for Oct.28/09. Davidsons is scheduled for Sept 21/09, barring any setbacks.

Bring it on :thumbup:

Davidson's starts on my birthday. Maybe that will be a good omen.

I hope he goes down hard. :cursing:

[dgfred]

I didn't watch the whole Cobbins trial.

Did they actually have forensic proof of the bleach? I did watch the Medical Examiner testify, and I believe she stated that Channon didn't have bleach on her. The prosecutor asked more than once if the unusual smell on Channon was bleach, and the ME said it wasn't bleach.

Were there forensics saying there was bleach on Channon's body?

I guess it may have just been some type of 'cleaning' agent, but not bleach.

[aubrey04]

I guess it may have just been some type of 'cleaning' agent, but not bleach.

but didn't the DNA forensic gal say that bleach was on Channon's shirt? imo

Regardless, whether it was bleach or a cleaning agent.. it doesn't make a whole lot of difference.. either one would be extremely painful considering the wounds she had. I could have sworn Fitzgerald said bleach in closing arguments, when she was trying to make the point that the person who put the cleaning agent (I thought bleach?) down Channon's throat - did so to get rid of DNA evidence... but maybe she just said cleaning agent..?!?

I missed a lot of the ME's testimony unfortunately, so can't say what she testified to specifically.

[aubrey04]

From Eric Boyd's trial...

Christian suffered horrific injuries to her vagina, anus and mouth. She was not only raped but savaged with "an object," the doctor testified. She was beaten in the head. Some type of chemical was poured down her throat, and her body, including her bleeding and battered genital area, likely scrubbed with the same solution - all while Christian was alive, the forensic expert said.

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/apr/16/jury-seeks-clarity-how-involved-boyd-had-be/

This article states that during Cobbins trial the ME stated she couldn't test for bleach on Channon.. (but the forensics expert did say that her camisole tested positive for bleach):

Dr. Mileusnic-Polchan said she couldn't test for bleach on Christian's body.

http://www.wate.com/global/story.asp?s=10968229

BTW - I remember one of the officers stating that a bottle of bleach was found in the kitchen.. IMO, it seems like bleach.. Just because the ME didn't smell bleach doesn't mean it wasn't used.. but it is a moot point in the end, because whatever the cleaning agent was.. Windex... Fantastic.. Pledge.. Bleach.. whatever.. You can bet it hurt like heck!

imo

[aproudmom]

The Thomas trial is set for Oct.28/09. Davidsons is scheduled for Sept 21/09, barring any setbacks.

Bring it on :thumbup:

I am sure ready and I sure hope we hear DEATH on this one...

[aproudmom]

Thanks, Aubrey.

That was the same doctor that testified in Cobbin's trial, isn't it? The blond lady with an accent that sounded similar to German?

She didn't say those things in Cobbins trial, did she? In fact, what I heard she pretty forcefully walked away from saying what the chemical could be, and didn't mention anything at all about scrubbing and pouring cleaning agent down Channon's throat, did she?

To me, this is a huge point and if there is evidence that supports this it certainly needs to be stated clearly at trial. I don't think Cobbin's jury got any of this information although I had read similar descriptions in the media before.

See I read a few months ago it was bleach but then do not recall them bringing this up during the trial and I am like you if they can prove some sort of cleaner was used put it in heck it is bad enough but lets get the DP this time...

[aproudmom]

but didn't the DNA forensic gal say that bleach was on Channon's shirt? imo

Regardless, whether it was bleach or a cleaning agent.. it doesn't make a whole lot of difference.. either one would be extremely painful considering the wounds she had. I could have sworn Fitzgerald said bleach in closing arguments, when she was trying to make the point that the person who put the cleaning agent (I thought bleach?) down Channon's throat - did so to get rid of DNA evidence... but maybe she just said cleaning agent..?!?

I missed a lot of the ME's testimony unfortunately, so can't say what she testified to specifically.

see some of this was never said that I know of I guess I could have missed it the day I had to leave early

Channon was reportedly held for two days, she was beaten, gang raped, and urinated upon. When the culprits were done with her, they poured bleach down her throat,

http://www.jurorthirteen.com/GeneralCategories/CurrentTrials/ChristianNewsomMurders/tabid/1264/Default.aspx

Forensic Details of the brutality

According to the testimony of the Knox County Acting Medical Examiner, Newsom was repeatedly raped and then blindfolded, gagged, arms and feet bound and his head covered. Barefoot, he was either led or dragged outside the house to a set of nearby railroad tracks, where a gun was placed to the back of his head and fired. He was shot twice more, once in the neck and once in the back. His body was then set afire, she said.

Christian's death would come only after hours of sexual torture, Mileusnic-Polchan testified.

"It's much more than a simple sexual assault," she said. "It's extreme."

Christian suffered horrific injuries to her vagina, anus and mouth. She was not only raped but savaged with "an object," the doctor testified. She was beaten in the head. Some type of chemical was poured down her throat, and her body, including her bleeding and battered genital area, likely scrubbed with the same solution - all while Christian was alive, the forensic expert said.

She was then "hog-tied," with curtains and strips of bedding, her face covered tightly with a small white trash bag and her body stashed inside five large trash bags before being placed inside a large trash can and covered with sheets, Mileusnic-Polchan testified.

Christian died slowly, suffocating, the medical examiner said.

[aproudmom]

Strategies in Davidson trial likely to resemble those in Cobbins' case
Unlike Cobbins, who was tried by a Davidson County jury because of the passions inflamed in this community by details of horrific killings, Davidson is demanding his right to be judged by Knox Countians. It’s not yet clear why.

Davidson’s trial is set to begin Sept. 21.




Hamilton Co. jury sought for Knox Co. double murder trial
http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=97386&provider=top
Judge Richard Baumgartner headed to Chattanooga Monday to find another jury for an upcoming high profile double murder case that has captivated Knox County.

George Thomas is set to go to trial on October 28th.

[aubrey04]

Thanks, Aubrey.

That was the same doctor that testified in Cobbin's trial, isn't it? The blond lady with an accent that sounded similar to German?

She didn't say those things in Cobbins trial, did she? In fact, what I heard she pretty forcefully walked away from saying what the chemical could be, and didn't mention anything at all about scrubbing and pouring cleaning agent down Channon's throat, did she?

To me, this is a huge point and if there is evidence that supports this it certainly needs to be stated clearly at trial. I don't think Cobbin's jury got any of this information although I had read similar descriptions in the media before.

Yes, the exact same medical examiner.. I missed some of her testimony, so I am not the best one to ask but when googling info on the bleach - I didn't find much on it in regards to the ME's testimony in Cobbins' trial - only Boyd's trial.

I hear ya - that should have been brought out during Cobbins' trial.. I don't want to criticize them since I didn't hear the entire direct examination of the ME, but I hope everything that was said in Boyd's trial ..was said in Cobbins too..

And I sure as heck hope that in Davidson's trial - the DA's make sure that the jury hears all the depraved details.

[aubrey04]

see some of this was never said that I know of I guess I could have missed it the day I had to leave early

Channon was reportedly held for two days, she was beaten, gang raped, and urinated upon. When the culprits were done with her, they poured bleach down her throat,

http://www.jurorthirteen.com/GeneralCategories/CurrentTrials/ChristianNewsomMurders/tabid/1264/Default.aspx

Yes, thank you for the link. Horrific.. absolutely horrific.

[Mandysmom]

Then they stuffed her into a trash can, she was tied in a way that her knees were pressed up against her chin.

They should fry every danged one of them. The brutality of this crime just surpasses anything I've ever seen.

:cursing:

[FFLady]

From Eric Boyd's trial...



http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/apr/16/jury-seeks-clarity-how-involved-boyd-had-be/

This article states that during Cobbins trial the ME stated she couldn't test for bleach on Channon.. (but the forensics expert did say that her camisole tested positive for bleach):



http://www.wate.com/global/story.asp?s=10968229

BTW - I remember one of the officers stating that a bottle of bleach was found in the kitchen.. IMO, it seems like bleach.. Just because the ME didn't smell bleach doesn't mean it wasn't used.. but it is a moot point in the end, because whatever the cleaning agent was.. Windex... Fantastic.. Pledge.. Bleach.. whatever.. You can bet it hurt like heck!

imo


Well now, you know Nessie loved cooking for her homies, maybe she liked washing their clothes, too! :wink:

[Survivor]

Well now, you know Nessie loved cooking for her homies, maybe she liked washing their clothes, too! :wink:

I pray everyday that Ms Coleman barf loses her motion to get her testimony squashed. Just the visual I get when my mind envisions her in the kitchen, a few short feet away from a brutal 30 plus hour torture scenario, calmly cooking meals for her pose and doing SWEET F A, for a helpless female, just defies all reason :angry: I hope she fries!!!

[Mandysmom]

I pray everyday that Ms Coleman barf loses her motion to get her testimony squashed. Just the visual I get when my mind envisions her in the kitchen, a few short feet away from a brutal 30 plus hour torture scenario, calmly cooking meals for her pose and doing SWEET F A, for a helpless female, just defies all reason :angry: I hope she fries!!!

I'm with you Survivor. The jury needs to hear that it was "business as usual" with these monsters.

No normal human being could have done this stuff knowing what was going on.

They are all guilty as he** and should go down hard. I'm still ticked about Cobbins sentence.

[aproudmom]

Just wanted to thank all who are keeping up with the Jury selection I am guessing their trials will also be live streamed

[aproudmom]

I'm with you Survivor. The jury needs to hear that it was "business as usual" with these monsters.

No normal human being could have done this stuff knowing what was going on.

They are all guilty as he** and should go down hard. I'm still ticked about Cobbins sentence.

you and me both I am still so mad I am cussing over that:cursing:

[aproudmom]

I pray everyday that Ms Coleman barf loses her motion to get her testimony squashed. Just the visual I get when my mind envisions her in the kitchen, a few short feet away from a brutal 30 plus hour torture scenario, calmly cooking meals for her pose and doing SWEET F A, for a helpless female, just defies all reason :angry: I hope she fries!!!

I have wondered if she was not part of the trauma inflicted by kicking her down you know where maybe she did not like her man messing with another girl so she got a few kicks in herself...she needs to fry also...

[ExArkie]

Just wanted to thank all who are keeping up with the Jury selection I am guessing their trials will also be live streamed

That is, if these trials ever happen - I'm beginning to doubt they ever will - splitting these trials was a major mistake, IMHO!!:sad:

[aproudmom]

well the links were all locked up..

Cobbins brought to Nashville prison for evaluation
WATE TV - 08/27/09

A day after he was sentenced to life in prison without parole for the slayings of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom, Letalvis Cobbins was brought to the Charles B. Bass Correctional Complex in Nashville. This is the facility where Cobbins will have a 30-60 day evaluation. He arrived Thursday shortly after 3:30 p.m.

Officials will evaluate Cobbins' behavior, determine whether he's a safety risk to other inmates or if he'll be in danger from other inmates. After the evaluation, the state decides where to send Cobbins to serve his sentence. It's likely Cobbins will be placed in one of the state's four maximum security prisons for men.

Riverbend in Nashville is a possibility. It's one of the state's larger, more high tech facilities. Cobbins would be allowed to buy a small TV for his cell and have limited phone privileges each day. Inmates are also allowed one hour of exercise in the recreation yard each day.:cursing:

Like every inmate, Cobbins will be required to either work on the prison grounds, doing things like maintenance or meal preparation, or take courses on anger management or to earn a GED. According to the Department of Correction, it costs $65 a day to house a male inmate. That's nearly $24,000 a year.

[aproudmom]

That is, if these trials ever happen - I'm beginning to doubt they ever will - splitting these trials was a major mistake, IMHO!!:sad:

ITA Ex like 2 years is not long enough just imagine the money that state is forking out...

[Survivor]

well the links were all locked up..

Cobbins brought to Nashville prison for evaluation
WATE TV - 08/27/09

A day after he was sentenced to life in prison without parole for the slayings of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom, Letalvis Cobbins was brought to the Charles B. Bass Correctional Complex in Nashville. This is the facility where Cobbins will have a 30-60 day evaluation. He arrived Thursday shortly after 3:30 p.m.

Officials will evaluate Cobbins' behavior, determine whether he's a safety risk to other inmates or if he'll be in danger from other inmates. After the evaluation, the state decides where to send Cobbins to serve his sentence. It's likely Cobbins will be placed in one of the state's four maximum security prisons for men.

Riverbend in Nashville is a possibility. It's one of the state's larger, more high tech facilities. Cobbins would be allowed to buy a small TV for his cell and have limited phone privileges each day. Inmates are also allowed one hour of exercise in the recreation yard each day.:cursing:

Like every inmate, Cobbins will be required to either work on the prison grounds, doing things like maintenance or meal preparation, or take courses on anger management or to earn a GED. According to the Department of Correction, it costs $65 a day to house a male inmate. That's nearly $24,000 a year.

Thanks for posting this aproudmom! Doesn't it just defy all sense of Justice:confused: Gee, maybe he'll have his TV all setup in time to watch his posse's trials. I am praying that the next three up to bat are housed on DEATH ROW. The same sentence these scum gave Channon & Chris. Those poor families reading up on this "life sentence" for Cobbins.

[AuroraBoreal]

Is there going to be a live stream for this trial? Does anyone know?

TIA

[DeeN]

to please un-lock the "Links" for this crime as we have 3 more trials to go.
If the links are not un-locked maybe a few more people asking her to either un-lock it or set up a new Links only would make it happen?

[AuroraBoreal]

IIRC, WBIR stated they would be live streaming all these trials. Any word on the status of the jury pools for Davidson and Thomas? Seems like there's been little reported since Cobbins' sentencing.

Thank you.

{{whisper - What is IIRC?}}}

:wink:

[FFLady]

Well, don't forget her and Cobbins were "playing house". Disgusting, just disgusting.


Haha - :laugh: - No Doubt, Pom......though I'm kinda glad she didn't drag her kids along for this "weekend getaway"......

[Survivor]

Haha - :laugh: - No Doubt, Pom......though I'm kinda glad she didn't drag her kids along for this "weekend getaway"......

OMG how true! And I was thinking that this crime could not be any worse. :scared: Never even thought of the possibility of the perps children being there. Thank God for small mercies:crying:

[DeeN]

Have a good Labor Day everyone :-)

[ExArkie]

I don't know if anyone else has done this; but, I googled Christian/Newsom Murders and could not believe what trash came up! Worst I have ever seen - absolutely awful - I cannot even describe it! Sick, sick, sick!! There will never be any kind of fair trial AND IMHO it is this judge's fault for splitting these trials!!:punch:

[wnb]

I don't know if anyone else has done this; but, I googled Christian/Newsom Murders and could not believe what trash came up! Worst I have ever seen - absolutely awful - I cannot even describe it! Sick, sick, sick!! There will never be any kind of fair trial AND IMHO it is this judge's fault for splitting these trials!!:punch:

Yes, there are some sick blogs out there. You just have to stay away from them.

[ExArkie]

Yes, there are some sick blogs out there. You just have to stay away from them.

guess I'm just too old for this!!! Disgusting trash!:cursing: How in the world can we accomplish anything if people think this way? Do you feel it is a small minority of the population who does this kind of sick drivel? Hopefully, not kids!!:w00t: I promise to NEVER Google this again!!:sad:

[aubrey04]

guess I'm just too old for this!!! Disgusting trash!:cursing: How in the world can we accomplish anything if people think this way? Do you feel it is a small minority of the population who does this kind of sick drivel? Hopefully, not kids!!:w00t: I promise to NEVER Google this again!!:sad:

Disgusting, isn't it? If it is hard for us to see when googled - imagine about the Christian/Newsom families? I am sure they've seen all that trash too.

Whoever wrote that stuff is just as vile and depraved as Cobbins, Davidson, Thomas, Coleman & Boyd.

imo

[Survivor]

Re: Davivdsons upcoming trial info:

http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=98249&catid=2

[QtPye]

I have wondered if she was not part of the trauma inflicted by kicking her down you know where maybe she did not like her man messing with another girl so she got a few kicks in herself...she needs to fry also...

IMO whether she actually touched her in any way doesnt matter. SHE WAS THERE! She could have and didn't do anything to help stop it or save her. There were plenty of times she could have gotten away safely.

I might be mistake but wasn't there times when she was alone at the house with her? I may be wrong. She is just as guilty as the others. imo

[QtPye]

I heard the transcripts for "G" will be released on Oct. 18th. I'm interested in reading his side since I have read though all of Vanessa, Letalvis, and the one of DeMaricus I could find.

This is such a heart breaking case. Would be sad for ANY of the 5 to get less than the worse from what I know of the case so far.

Saddest part to me is: (read to end before you trip out and get angry with my opinion)
I believe from the consistency of Latalvis statements that he did not know about the carjacking/kiddnapping, until he was there. That part of his story was the only part he didn't trip up on (after he came clean with it) even when detectives tried to change his facts and add in stuff, he stayed accurate and consistent. No other part of his statements were ever consistent. He is even pretty consistent about when he got back to house and was like, we gotta get up outta here! BUT HE DIDN'T!!!!

AT THE POINT when he DIDN'T get outta there and/or get help, is when (IMO) he became one of the most responsible people for this outcome!!! I feel he was the ONE person with the best chance & most opportunities of ending this differently. I thinks it's worse that he didn't know about it until it was happening cuz that means at some point he decided to join in and participate?? Can't use that he was in fear of his life cuz several times him, Vanessa and G had opportunities to get outta there and safe into police protection.
And Vanessa, ewww, no way she wasn't more involved.

I pray justice is served.
So sad.

[aubrey04]

QtPye,

Well I disagree that Rome didn't know that the carjacking was going to take place. Why would an accomplished, career robber/carjacker like Davidson risk NOT telling the people with him about his plan? Too many things could go wrong, if he didn't fill in the people w/him...his plan.

Plus, Rome had a criminal record, including an arrest for attempted carjacking in New York.. The only reason I would think Davidson would keep his plan on the downlow is if he thought that Rome wouldn't go along with it... but again, Rome was broke & homeless... needed money.. and already participated in criminal activities.

I do agree that Rome might not have known there would be a kidnapping, but I am not sure that even Davidson knew from the jump that he was going to kidnap whoever they found to carjack...

I believe Rome said that a car pulled up right as they were carjacking Channon & Christian... and that's how it turned into a kidnapping.. and I do believe that.

I am sure Davidson did some nasty things in prison before and once the plan went awry.. Davidson decided to act out some of his perverse fantasies and Cobbins wanted to get in on the action as well.

Can't wait to hear George Thomas' version of events.. I am sure they are pretty closely aligned with Cobbins' since they were friends and went back to Kentucky together.. I bet they plotted out a matching story to tell cops.

[kellann62]

Word on the street is there WILL be people waiting for them where ever they end up. I think some inmates will make the lives of some if not all of these freaks a living hell. Of course nothing will ever be enough to punish them for what they did to Channon and Chris. Just too bad thug Boyd is hanging out at Beckley Correctional Center in West Virginia. That is a federal prison.

[QtPye]

Aubrey
I totally see what your saying. :smile: I'm just going from my education and experience from talking to criminals and watching interviews. Its just my opinion about him not knowing about it based on the consistency of that part of his story. That is a tale tell sign of truthfulness in an interview. That is why they ask the same questions over and over and in different ways. The words he uses and doesn't use when he answers about that part is very different than the entire rest of his statement. He had just gotten out of a lot of trouble and career criminal or not, they usually go through periods of 'wanting to do better'

I am NOT justifying him at all OR sticking up for him. Like I said, I think its worse if he didn't know what was going down then ultimately participated and didn't help when he could have. His brother wouldn't tell him for the exact reason that he didn't think his bro would go along with it. imo. But who knows. I kinda don't think they had really planned out the kidnapping part but then again...I'm not so sure. ALL their stories are going to be for their own benefit. Not one of the 5 is worried about getting any story straight with the other. haha.

So sad and hope all 5 burn. wasn't trying to be nice to Rome by saying I believed him about that one part... just what it came across to me that way from experience. :) I like the way you think though!

[aubrey04]

Aubrey
I totally see what your saying. :smile: I'm just going from my education and experience from talking to criminals and watching interviews. Its just my opinion about him not knowing about it based on the consistency of that part of his story. That is a tale tell sign of truthfulness in an interview. That is why they ask the same questions over and over and in different ways. The words he uses and doesn't use when he answers about that part is very different than the entire rest of his statement. He had just gotten out of a lot of trouble and career criminal or not, they usually go through periods of 'wanting to do better'

I am NOT justifying him at all OR sticking up for him. Like I said, I think its worse if he didn't know what was going down then ultimately participated and didn't help when he could have. His brother wouldn't tell him for the exact reason that he didn't think his bro would go along with it. imo. But who knows. I kinda don't think they had really planned out the kidnapping part but then again...I'm not so sure. ALL their stories are going to be for their own benefit. Not one of the 5 is worried about getting any story straight with the other. haha.

So sad and hope all 5 burn. wasn't trying to be nice to Rome by saying I believed him about that one part... just what it came across to me that way from experience. :) I like the way you think though!

Well, Letalvis did admit that his brother had been talking about doing a carjacking.. but why would Letalvis admit to being part of of the plotting? Surely he knew that he'd get popped with a lengthy prison sentence just for the carjacking/grand theft, if he admitted to being in on the plotting... I would think he was street-smart enough to realize that he could get nailed for FELONY MURDER, if he helped plot the felony which led to these murders.

So of course he was consistent and kept saying he didn't help plot the carjacking... He had EVERYTHING to lose and NOTHING to gain by admitting to being a part of that.

Like I said, I agree that the kidnapping/rape/torture/murders wasn't pre-planned.. but I think everyone in that car knew that a carjacking was going down.. I just can't imagine Davidson plotting this alone & just springing it on the people in the car with him.

Also, I think that everyone involved in this, including Chris & Channon, knew that once Chris & Channon were kidnapped and taken to the Chipman Street house... they were not going to leave there alive.

:(

[aubrey04]

Word on the street is there WILL be people waiting for them where ever they end up. I think some inmates will make the lives of some if not all of these freaks a living hell. Of course nothing will ever be enough to punish them for what they did to Channon and Chris. Just too bad thug Boyd is hanging out at Beckley Correctional Center in West Virginia. That is a federal prison.

I hope that prison is a nightmare for them, but for some reason.. I have my doubts, especially in the case of Davidson. He has been in institutions since he was a kid.. Spent almost all of his teen & adults years in prison.. He joined a gang and integrated well.. barf

[QtPye]

Ab,

Ya, I see what you're saying! That makes sense too. Like I said, that was JMO. :smile:

He'd go if he thought he was gonna go meet some hot chick like he said. (look what he had back at the house :thumbdown: ) haha... sorry couldn't help that one.

I just can't imagine that if they were ONLY going to carjack someone, why they would pick TWO people (one male) to over take instead of finding one. (You might say two ppl = possibility of more $) I don't know. Just doesn't seem like the ideal choice for 'just a carjackin' imo. So that reason alone, (choice of victims) kinda makes me think (at least Demaricus) had MORE in mind than just a carjacking. Evil no matter HOW you look at it! So sad. :sad:

is eric boyds statement or transcript available anywhere? I haven't found that one.

[QtPye]

Ok, I knew I would piss some ppl off what that opinion! I'll change subject.

So questions....

Why wasn't Eric Boyd charged with more? Did he plea?

Are there any transcripts for 'E' or does anyone know what his version of events were that night, wasn't he in on the carjacking?

on phone transcripts with Daphne and Demaricus they talked about her being pregnant...was she really? did she have the baby?

[Mandysmom]

I don't know if anyone else has done this; but, I googled Christian/Newsom Murders and could not believe what trash came up! Worst I have ever seen - absolutely awful - I cannot even describe it! Sick, sick, sick!! There will never be any kind of fair trial AND IMHO it is this judge's fault for splitting these trials!!:punch:

I did the same thing, Arkie and it blew my mind. I couldn't believe some of the sick stuff.

:cursing: I am looking forward to this next trial and hope justice prevails.

[kellann62]

QtPye,
as far as D Sutton and the pregnancy thing, I think she was just making it up. She was not pregnant. And as for thug Boyd, just google his name and you will get all the answers you want and more than you could ever wish to know. Believe me, that thing deserved so much more than he got! :angry:

Kel

[dgfred]

I believe he had in his mind to 'get' a female in a carjacking and Christian was just sort of in the way.

[aubrey04]

Ok, I knew I would piss some ppl off what that opinion! I'll change subject.

So questions....

Why wasn't Eric Boyd charged with more? Did he plea?

Are there any transcripts for 'E' or does anyone know what his version of events were that night, wasn't he in on the carjacking?

on phone transcripts with Daphne and Demaricus they talked about her being pregnant...was she really? did she have the baby?

You aren't ticking anyone off. Even though we have opposing views on a lot - you're always kind & respectful,so please don't apologize for having an opinion.

To answer your Q - I don't think they had enough to charge Boyd unfortunately... His DNA wasn't in the house. The only people who placed him there (so far) has been Cobbins and Coleman.. and their statements were filled with lies, so they weren't credible.

Channon's parents strongly believe he was involved in this.. but I just don't think they had the evidence to nail him.

He didn't plead out.. He went to trial in federal court.. was only charged with accessory and aiding & abetting (or something similar)... got convicted and sentenced to the heftiest penalty -- 18 years in federal prison... He could still be charged in state court for murder, if something arises.. I know Channon's (and I think Christopher's parents are in agreement but not positive of that) parents are hoping for that.

I've never seen a statement/transcript of Boyd's interview.. not sure if it's been released?

[anais2005]

Thomas attys arguing for statements to be thrown out,

also wish to argue some kind of motion about the fact that the defence beleive LE were initially looking at charging him with accessory after the fact

[QtPye]

Thanks for all the answers all!! :)

This case is just too sad! :(

Hope they still release GT transcripts on 18th. That still the word?

[anais2005]

http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=101722&provider=gnews

wonder who will get tried first Thomas or Davidson

[QtPye]

http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=101722&provider=gnews

wonder who will get tried first Thomas or Davidson

I hope which ever way will get Davidson the best. Did I say that right? Although I want all to get the MAX!!! From the one transcript I read he is such an obvious liar but he maintains absolutely NO knowledge of this. That's a bunch of BS.

It's clear he was the instigator and the most evil (even tho they all just as evil). I mean it was all super bad but he was the leader! Ok, my thoughts aren't coming out clear.

[Dogmatic]

I hope which ever way will get Davidson the best. Did I say that right? Although I want all to get the MAX!!! From the one transcript I read he is such an obvious liar but he maintains absolutely NO knowledge of this. That's a bunch of BS.

It's clear he was the instigator and the most evil (even tho they all just as evil). I mean it was all super bad but he was the leader! Ok, my thoughts aren't coming out clear.

Davidson will fess up to carjacking, robbing, but beyond that will state that he had sexual relations with Channon and has no clue who tied her up, beat her, and caused her death.

It will be up to the jury to either believe or not believe his lies. JMHO

[kellann62]

If this jury sees his actions as deserving less than death, I feel very sorry for them. They will have to live with themselves after not doing what the families want. The previous jury gets to live with not doing it in the Cobbins trial. The outcry was great and if it happens with Davidson it will be much worse. The filthy piece of thug trash should get death and I am betting this jury will give it to him.

Kel

[kellann62]

If only one of them would have the guts to stand up and admit what they did. One of my best friends growing up was abducted by 4 guys. They took her to an apt and 3 raped her. The other one did not. Somehow he talked the guys into letting him take her and drop her off as they wanted to kill her. He dropped her off a couple of streets from her house. She never would go to the police. But one guy had the guts to take her out of the situation before it turned to murder. If only.

Kel

[aubrey04]

I wonder if they will release George Thomas' jailhouse convos? I am DYING to hear what's on them... Supposedly they're pretty incriminating.. George's lawyer withdrew his motion for a speedy trial soon right after they heard about the jailhouse tapes..

[QtPye]

IT totally cracks me up how all these criminals go in and talk about their crimes in jail KNOWING that almost always it comes around to bite them in the rear!

Every one in there is looking for a reason to cop a deal.


Another question: Are any of them expected to testify in any of the others trials? Not that any of them are telling the truth but.... just wondering what up with that.

[Survivor]

I hope which ever way will get Davidson the best. Did I say that right? Although I want all to get the MAX!!! From the one transcript I read he is such an obvious liar but he maintains absolutely NO knowledge of this. That's a bunch of BS.

It's clear he was the instigator and the most evil (even tho they all just as evil). I mean it was all super bad but he was the leader! Ok, my thoughts aren't coming out clear.

BBM


Coming out LOUD and clear QtPye!! They are ALL sick and twisted in my mind, but every "group" boasts a leader. Davidson fits the bill. The rest of the group,IMO, strove to be like him.barf May they ALL rot and never know freedom again.

[aubrey04]

IT totally cracks me up how all these criminals go in and talk about their crimes in jail KNOWING that almost always it comes around to bite them in the rear!

Every one in there is looking for a reason to cop a deal.


Another question: Are any of them expected to testify in any of the others trials? Not that any of them are telling the truth but.... just wondering what up with that.

I know. I guess some just can't help but brag. His lawyers were pretty confident and really pushed for a speedy trial..a date was set.. then the jailhouse tapes came out and they withdrew that motion with quickness! :lol:

I think in the beginning Coleman was slated to testify against all defendants, but the state decided to withdraw that offer, then charged with most of the same counts as the others.

The other defendants have no reason to testify in the others trials, as they could incriminate themselves.. so unless DA's office offers a deal, then I don't think any will testify, besides perhaps at their own trial.. like Cobbins.

[kellann62]

I just wish this series of trials would be moving faster. I know Davidson will get his in the end. But of course, there will be years of appeals. Maybe he will waive his right to appeals but of course that is wishful thinking.

Kel

[aubrey04]

Coming out LOUD and clear QtPye!! They are ALL sick and twisted in my mind, but every "group" boasts a leader. Davidson fits the bill. The rest of the group,IMO, strove to be like him.barf May they ALL rot and never know freedom again.


Davidson was DEFINITELY the ringleader and imo, the most heinous, evil, sick, twisted of the group...(second in command was Cobbins,IMO)... The others are depraved as well, but Davidson takes the cake.

I think of all the heinous creatures I have witnessed through the years watching trials and/or keeping up with crime.. and he's in the top 5 most evil.. Joseph Duncan is one of the top dogs too.

I see ZERO redeeming qualities in them.. it's like they're not even human.

[anais2005]

http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=101870&catid=2

motion hearing still ongoing

[RayStar]

Thanks for the article Anais2005. I hope the trial does not have problems because of missteps of the attorneys and LE.

The article states the victims agree that the statements should stay in. What else would they say? If Gary had his way, they all would not be wasting the state's resources. Can't say I disagree with Gary. But we must follow the law, no matter how much it hurts.

This is such an awful case.

[QtPye]

Thanks for the article Anais2005. I hope the trial does not have problems because of missteps of the attorneys and LE.

The article states the victims agree that the statements should stay in. What else would they say? If Gary had his way, they all would not be wasting the state's resources. Can't say I disagree with Gary. But we must follow the law, no matter how much it hurts.

This is such an awful case.

Agreed! So awful. Cases like this waste the tax payers money. IMO, they should all get death in this case. This county should execute the death within 4 months of losing their appeal. (and only get one appeal) 4 months is enough time to get whatever affairs they have in order and then 'pull their plug.' This 30+ years on death row is a bunch of bull!!!! IMO

Anyone have any opinions on how much involvement sicko Vanessa had in it? Besides being the short order cooks and pulse checker!

Cobbins didn't really rat her out. I don't think he even really liked her, not sure why he'd not tell on her.

[kellann62]

In quite a few countries around the world, this situation would not be ongoing. They would have killed them already. When there is evidence that can not be disputed, there would not be any of this " he was wasted, they were scared, he only raped, big bad brother was the only one that murdered her, blah blah blah. If all involved would be executed when the evidence is there instead of going on and on and on, then and only then do I believe we will see a decrease in murders and murders of this heinous magnitude. The others may not have actually pulled the trigger on Chris or stuffed Channon in the trash can with bags over her but they knew how this story was gonna play out. Once it got bad, they all knew those kids were not gonna get out of there alive. I believed it then and will always believe it. As for V Coleman, I hope there are alot of women in prison that will make it a living hell for her. They say women are meaner and do worse things in prison. I sure hope in her case that is a true statement.

Kel

[Martek]

In quite a few countries around the world, this situation would not be ongoing. They would have killed them already. When there is evidence that can not be disputed, there would not be any of this " he was wasted, they were scared, he only raped, big bad brother was the only one that murdered her, blah blah blah. If all involved would be executed when the evidence is there instead of going on and on and on, then and only then do I believe we will see a decrease in murders and murders of this heinous magnitude.

I agree.

Our system apparently allows multiple perps to deflate their responsibility and involvement by simply all pointing the finger at each other and saying "I didn't do the really bad part".

It is sickening that such horrible, evil "humans" not only can do such things; but then "somewhat" get away with it simply because they can deflate their own individual blame by spreading it to each other.

They should all be hanged together or burned at the stake together.

IMO

[Keegan]

I agree.:wink:

[aubrey04]

Next up is George Thomas, followed by Vanessa Coleman's trial. They haven't had rest in almost 3 years, I am sure.. The parents have been to all the pretrial hearings with each of the defendants, including Eric Boyd.

Gary stated in one interview how many hearings they'd been to and I can't recall the number of times, but it was an astounding number of times.

[cog1]

I wonder how the George Thomas trial is going to go. From all that we've heard, his DNA wasn't found on Chris or Channon. It seems the state's focus has been on the brothers.

I don't know much about his involvement other than the fact that certain players in this claimed he was there and or he and Cobbins<?> I think took Chris off somewhere.

I need to find transcripts or some material the charges maybe to read up on.

AMOO

[cog1]

I recall reading in one statement that Eric Boyd and George Thomas took Chris out and were gone for 20 or 30 minutes and then came back without Chris. I don't think we'll ever know the truth. All we've heard from these defendants are lies, all lies.

SO true as to who did what. They were smart to point the finger at each other. It was enough to cause doubt. I am going to do some reading to catch up on his involvment.

TY.

[cog1]

George Thomas made damaging statements in a phone call he made from jail. I believe he also incriminated himself in his interview with the Knox County sherrif's department, but I'm not certain. It doesn't seem likely Thomas would get the DP, but the DA's office must think he warrants it.

Is his a DP case? Are they all DP's? I really need to do some research and read.

And I do hope they can charge Boyd later on for his actual involvement in the crimes.

[aproudmom]

http://www.wbir.com/pdf/10272009_thomas_request_specific_discovery.pdf

attorneys for George Thomas are not wasting anytime is collecting information from the proceeding.

Thomas Dillard and Stephen Johnson want the timeline used by the prosecution during Takisha Fitzgerald's closing arguments

Thomas is expected to go to trial on December 1st.

[aubrey04]

It says in the request for discovery that they want these things:

1. Timeline
2. Aerial shots Davidson's residence and the Washington Ridge apartments, which were entered into evidence in Davidson's trial
3. The diagram of he inside of Davidson's residence

I wonder what they're cooking up? :confused:

[Dogmatic]

SO true as to who did what. They were smart to point the finger at each other. It was enough to cause doubt. I am going to do some reading to catch up on his involvment.

TY.

It's the oldest trick in the book and the very reason some criminals opt to work in groups. Thus the reason that an intelligent society would put in place laws that incorporate this little criminal loophole.

But we don't; we continue to let them use the loophole

[cog1]

It's the oldest trick in the book and the very reason some criminals opt to work in groups. Thus the reason that an intelligent society would put in place laws that incorporate this little criminal loophole.

But we don't; we continue to let them use the loophole

Maybe that is something Gary will work on as well? I understand everyone deserves a fair trial but some things need to change!

AMOO

[Dogmatic]

Maybe that is something Gary will work on as well? I understand everyone deserves a fair trial but some things need to change!

AMOO

It seems reasonable to me that if I'm hanging out with a group of people, and they car-jack a couple, tie them up, and rape them, and then eventually cause their death, that if I'm not an active participant in the crime, that I need to make reasonable efforts to notify police and be forthcoming with the truth OR I need to be charged with the maximum penalty for the crimes committed just by virtue of the fact that I opted not to.

[luvmyboys]

:scared:

So nice to see you guys again, looks like we're all getting together patiently waiting for Dec 1st! Miss you guys!:wub:

[kellann62]

Luv!!!!!:scared:

LeKel

[luvmyboys]

Luv!!!!!:LeKel

bwahahahaha :w00t::scared: leKel!!!

From, Leluv!!:wub:

[kellann62]

Missed ya!
I been having withdrawals. We just gotta hang out here till Dec 1.

LeKel:w00t:

[luvmyboys]

Missed ya!
I been having withdrawals. We just gotta hang out here till Dec 1.

LeKel:w00t:

i'm over at IOWA v Kehoe (Live) here's a link to the trial, if your interested. http://www.kcrg.com/streaming

LeLuv

[kellann62]

Thanks a bunch gal!

[aproudmom]

I wonder how the George Thomas trial is going to go. From all that we've heard, his DNA wasn't found on Chris or Channon. It seems the state's focus has been on the brothers.

I totally agree about the brothers I really dont see DP in this case since LC did not get the DP.

[aproudmom]

:scared:

So nice to see you guys again, looks like we're all getting together patiently waiting for Dec 1st! Miss you guys!:wub:

Hi I got my aproudmom back:thumbup: I see most of us are hear just waiting till dec.

[aproudmom]

Next up is George Thomas, followed by Vanessa Coleman's trial. They haven't had rest in almost 3 years, I am sure.. The parents have been to all the pretrial hearings with each of the defendants, including Eric Boyd.

Gary stated in one interview how many hearings they'd been to and I can't recall the number of times, but it was an astounding number of times.

Hi aub it had been over 100 hearing and the trials so they have so many more to go through.:sad:

[aproudmom]

Is his a DP case? Are they all DP's? I really need to do some research and read.

And I do hope they can charge Boyd later on for his actual involvement in the crimes.

yes they are all DP cases IIRC cog

[Mandysmom]

I'm thinking along the same lines, that Vanessa and George will be the two hardest to get guilty verdicts on murder charges.

I can't remember much about George's involvement so might have to go back and read.

I do think they should get some time for not contacting the police to get help at least for Channon. I think George might have had something to do with Chris' death though but can't remember if that's true or not.

Didn't the pros ask the families if they would agree to a plea deal for these two? I think they said no, IIRC.

[luvmyboys]

Hi I got my aproudmom back:thumbup: I see most of us are hear just waiting till dec.

ohhh your so lucky, i wish i could get my tbrito back:crying:

[cog1]

yes they are all DP cases IIRC cog

Hi Everyone!

I just can't stay away from you all! LOL Need my trial fix.

(I don't really want December rolling around too fast but.....)

Ty for the DP info.

[luvmyboys]

Hi Everyone!

I just can't stay away from you all! LOL Need my trial fix.

(I don't really want December rolling around too fast but.....)

Ty for the DP info.

lol I find myself looking for you guys everyday..... I CAN"T WAIT TILL DECEMBER!!!!

[cog1]

It seems reasonable to me that if I'm hanging out with a group of people, and they car-jack a couple, tie them up, and rape them, and then eventually cause their death, that if I'm not an active participant in the crime, that I need to make reasonable efforts to notify police and be forthcoming with the truth OR I need to be charged with the maximum penalty for the crimes committed just by virtue of the fact that I opted not to.

You are so right! Unfortunately these people have no human compassion!

[cog1]

lol I find myself looking for you guys everyday..... I CAN"T WAIT TILL DECEMBER!!!!

I do the same. I have been skimming around reading here and there but nothing really going on.

Glad to see everyone here! I just received an alert. Going to read and maybe it is something new.

[luvmyboys]

I do the same. I have been skimming around reading here and there but nothing really going on.

Glad to see everyone here! I just received an alert. Going to read and maybe it is something new.

are the alerts that you get specific to the case or alerts of anything that goes on in the state?

[cog1]

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/nov/04/disclosure-may-have-hindered-investigation/

Posting this but I'm off to read it now.

I think this has to do with the death threats against the attorneys. Because the paper posted the information on the Poster it hindered the FBI's investigation and there for they may not be able to proceed because they could have covered their tracks.

AMOO just my opinion of this info.

[cog1]

are the alerts that you get specific to the case or alerts of anything that goes on in the state?

I signed up for google alerts regarding this case. I wanted to be reminded of the trials so I wouldn't miss anything.

But, as you see I can't stay away! LOL :wink:

[luvmyboys]

I signed up for google alerts regarding this case. I wanted to be reminded of the trials so I wouldn't miss anything.

But, as you see I can't stay away! LOL :wink:

cool thnks!

[aubrey04]

I signed up for google alerts regarding this case. I wanted to be reminded of the trials so I wouldn't miss anything.

But, as you see I can't stay away! LOL :wink:

Good idea. The next order of business is the ruling on whether or not G's police interview will be admitted into evidence.. as I stated in a previous post.. that was supposed to be determined like 2 weeks ago.. (I believe October 18th or something?).. but we haven't heard anything since..

We've heard all the interviews besides G's.. I want to hear the tape so bad! If anyone finds out any info on it, please post..

[DeeJay]

I totally agree about the brothers I really dont see DP in this case since LC did not get the DP.

Perhaps not, but they did get the big fish...the ringleader, got the dp. Davidson is the one that set the crimes in motion and the rest of the thugs just followed his lead.

[cog1]

Good idea. The next order of business is the ruling on whether or not G's police interview will be admitted into evidence.. as I stated in a previous post.. that was supposed to be determined like 2 weeks ago.. (I believe October 18th or something?).. but we haven't heard anything since..

We've heard all the interviews besides G's.. I want to hear the tape so bad! If anyone finds out any info on it, please post..

I will post anything I receive if not already linked here. I want to hear his interview as well!

I was trying to find out when Thomas rented those DVD's from the library that were found in the home. Does anyone know on Chipman St.?

[aubrey04]

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/nov/04/disclosure-may-have-hindered-investigation/

Posting this but I'm off to read it now.

I think this has to do with the death threats against the attorneys. Because the paper posted the information on the Poster it hindered the FBI's investigation and there for they may not be able to proceed because they could have covered their tracks.

AMOO just my opinion of this info.

Am I understanding this correctly... The death threats that the FBI is investigating came in the form of "anonymous" posters on local news sites in Knoxville?

The FBI is ticked that knoxnews wrote about the subpoena, so now the poster knows they're being investigated.. Is that the gist?

I have to say that when Trant & Eldridge first made the allegations about death threats - I thought they were full of it, but I have witnessed a lot of posts on wbir.com where people have made some pretty shocking posts. I have seen death threats.. I have seen death wishes.. and I have seen someone trying to incite other people into harming Trant & Eldridge... Also, I saw threats against their children.

I do not care for these men, but some of the stuff I read was alarming, not to mention illegal..

ETA - Just found this archived story about.. Apparently Trant & Eldridge were sent letters to their houses and emailed threats.. but also, the FBI is investigating a post that was on knoxnews..

http://m.knoxnews.com/news/2009/oct/27/fbi-widens-death-threats-probe-subpoenas-kns-onlin/

[cog1]

Am I understanding this correctly... The death threats that the FBI is investigating came in the form of "anonymous" posters on local news sites in Knoxville?

The FBI is ticked that knoxnews wrote about the subpoena, so now the poster knows they're being investigated.. Is that the gist?

I have to say that when Trant & Eldridge first made the allegations about death threats - I thought they were full of it, but I have witnessed a lot of posts on wbir.com where people have made some pretty shocking posts. I have seen death threats.. I have seen death wishes.. and I have seen someone trying to incite other people into harming Trant & Eldridge... Also, I saw threats against their children.

I do not care for these men, but some of the stuff I read was alarming, not to mention illegal..


Yes that is correct. I did not see the posts with the threats but have read other posters talking about it and knowing who it was, the nic that is.

Now, since the news released the info apparently the poster was able to cover their tracks and most likely won't be found.

AMOO

[dgfred]

How could they go back and cover their tracks?

[DeeJay]

lol I find myself looking for you guys everyday..... I CAN"T WAIT TILL DECEMBER!!!!

I hope it's going to be a "go" on Dec. 1st., however, I was counting days for Sept. 21st. for the davidson trial to get underway........ALAS! It didn't start until Oct. 19th.!

I don't know what the holdup is for Vanessa Coleman's trial. :shrug:

[cog1]

How could they go back and cover their tracks?

Beats me I am no computer geek but I'm sure it can be done? I don't know how that works really but the FBI is concerned enough to make those comments then I feel it can happen.

AMOO

[CourtsideVue]

What's everyone watching now that Davidson is done and our friend "G" isn't until December? I watched some of "Kehoe" and that was awful.

Is there anything live going on around the country that CNN isn't covering, that is streaming somewhere? I'm bored. lol :bored:

[cog1]

What's everyone watching now that Davidson is done and our friend "G" isn't until December? I watched some of "Kehoe" and that was awful.

Is there anything live going on around the country that CNN isn't covering, that is streaming somewhere? I'm bored. lol :bored:

Hi,
I am so glad you asked this question because I am bored to all get out! I need a good trial fix or a really good case to get my interest!

I have not followed the Kehoe case but I take it is nothing special?

[CourtsideVue]

Well Kehoe is over, anyway. She was convicted yesterday and her sentence is a mandatory life w/o parole, so ... now there's just nothing else to watch!

<sigh>
:sad::bored::mellow:

[cog1]

Well Kehoe is over, anyway. She was convicted yesterday and her sentence is a mandatory life w/o parole, so ... now there's just nothing else to watch!

<sigh>
:sad::bored::mellow:

Well poo huh? Wish I could find something interesting on Thomas but hard to come up with much.

[wnb]

Hey you guys...Jamie just said when she was signing off today, that they will be covering the Cobbin's trial next week...also mentioning that it is the final week for "Insessions" or CourtTV..Interesting..wonder if that means this forum will shut down too..or if HLN will be taking over trials?..Now Im getting nervous...

LMS

It wasn't clear what she meant. Is it the final week for In Session? Or is it Jamie Floyd's last week?

[wnb]

I have a feeling that Insession as we know it will ending at weeks end next week..I have been constantly hearing goodbyes from Ashley, Jamie, and Jack to the regular talking heads...so think they are closing that site..and moving to Atlanta..with all new format?..However..no one has mentioned where that leaves their fanbase?...

LMS:crying:

Thanks, I just turned on to hear news of the next trial. I guess it will end in some fashion next week.

It will still be interesting to see them do at least one of the Christian-Newsom trials. I tell people about this case and they are horrified, and want to know all about it.

[cog1]

Hey you guys...Jamie just said when she was signing off today, that they will be covering the Cobbin's trial next week...also mentioning that it is the final week for "Insessions" or CourtTV..Interesting..wonder if that means this forum will shut down too..or if HLN will be taking over trials?..Now Im getting nervous...

LMS

What???? Now I'm nervous! Someone needs to set up a site so we have a place to chat! Pronto!!

I will go insane if I can't chat with all of you!! :w00t:

[wnb]

I just did a Google search for Tru TV. It seems In Sessions will still be on and will be based in Atlanta instead of New York starting the week after next. Vinnie Politan will return as an anchor along with several new anchors.

[bhardy1956]

Ok, I am new to this thread, but did a little research on this horrific crime. My question is why have they had separate trials for these monsters? Why didn't they all have just one trial and get it over with?

I am so sad, that humans can act this way! Wait! They aren't humans!

[in4infor]

Ok I have not been here lately, but I did find this and wanted to share it.
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/

http://www.smashsouthsports.org/forums/showpost.php?p=337730&postcount=1

[Hedda Lettis]

in4infor, thank you so much for the link to the juror's statement. I am in awe of the jurors. And thankful that I wasn't on that jury. They did good....

[aubrey04]

Hey you guys...Jamie just said when she was signing off today, that they will be covering the Cobbin's trial next week...also mentioning that it is the final week for "Insessions" or CourtTV..Interesting..wonder if that means this forum will shut down too..or if HLN will be taking over trials?..Now Im getting nervous...

LMS

Wow. I just saw that CW made this a trial thread! I really wish they would have covered Rome's trial when it was live, rather than having it as a canned trial.

Will you guys be watching it again? I don't think I can stand listening to the defense lawyers try to make excuses and diminish Cobbins' part in this horrific crime... There is nothing mitigating in terms of Rome's participation, IMO. He was second in command, next to ringleader Davidson.

It will be interesting to see the defense attorneys try to downplay his involvement, especially Jami and her frequent guests... don't know if I can stomach that nonsense.

:thumbdown:

[kellann62]

I cant stomach a rerun of that trial. I watched it on WBIR and would not do that again. I know how it played out.

Kel

[jakee]

Wow. I just saw that CW made this a trial thread! I really wish they would have covered Rome's trial when it was live, rather than having it as a canned trial.

Will you guys be watching it again? I don't think I can stand listening to the defense lawyers try to make excuses and diminish Cobbins' part in this horrific crime... There is nothing mitigating in terms of Rome's participation, IMO. He was second in command, next to ringleader Davidson.

It will be interesting to see the defense attorneys try to downplay his involvement, especially Jami and her frequent guests... don't know if I can stomach that nonsense.

:thumbdown:

I will probably watch again. It will be interesting to see what the TH's say and if any new posters to the case will watch. Jami will drive me crazy though.

[wnb]

Aside from a few short segments back in the spring of 2007, this case has never had any national TV exposure. Even a taped replay of the Cobbins trial on In Session will change that.

[aubrey04]

I will probably watch again. It will be interesting to see what the TH's say and if any new posters to the case will watch. Jami will drive me crazy though.

Jami is going to really test my limits, I am sure. I wonder if the Newsom's and the Christian's will be watching? For their sake, I hope they don't... at least Jami's show.

The legal analyst of one local news show ticked the families off so bad.. I can't imagine what Jami's nonsense will do to them.

[aubrey04]

Ok I have not been here lately, but I did find this and wanted to share it.
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/

http://www.smashsouthsports.org/forums/showpost.php?p=337730&postcount=1

Thanks for the links.

That juror has some great comments. It seems like I keep learning new factoids about this case as I go along.. He mentioned that Lemaricus called Daphne from Chris' phone.. I guess I missed that testimony. Very small detail but just another nail in his coffin, which I had missed.

[wnb]

Jami is going to really test my limits, I am sure. I wonder if the Newsom's and the Christian's will be watching? For their sake, I hope they don't... at least Jami's show.

The legal analyst of one local news show ticked the families off so bad.. I can't imagine what Jami's nonsense will do to them.

It was a local defense attorney acting as a legal analyst on one of the Knoxville TV stations. He said that the defense lawyers were doing a good job defending their client by suggesting that the couple was in East Knoxville looking for drugs and explaining the DNA by inferring that Channon had "consensual sex" with Davidson. Channon's father did not like this very much.

[aubrey04]

It was a local defense attorney acting as a legal analyst on one of the Knoxville TV stations. He said that the defense lawyers were doing a good job defending their client by suggesting that the couple was in East Knoxville looking for drugs and explaining the DNA by inferring that Channon had "consensual sex" with Davidson. Channon's father did not like this very much.

Yeah, I wouldn't like that much either. I know that legal analysts are supposed to be non-biased and point out the strengths and weaknesses in each trial, but boy.. I just could not be the one to do it.

Personally, I think it is absurd that the local defense atty believed that it was a good job, but they all seem to stick up for one another.. at least that's the way it seems to me.

:shrug:

Anyone know where we can watch InSessions online? Someone posted a link in one of threads of a different trial & I didn't bookmark it. :(

[jakee]

Aubrey, I don't know of a link for insessions online.

Well, so far I have been listening to Ashleigh and she is sickened and actually said "Effing"

Of course the defense dude on her panel said TK was boring.

[aubrey04]

Aubrey, I don't know of a link for insessions online.

Well, so far I have been listening to Ashleigh and she is sickened and actually said "Effing"

Of course the defense dude on her panel said TK was boring.

I just heard Ashleigh say that... :ohmy:

and that defense attorney better be nice to our TK... :sneaky:

[jakee]

I am trying to follow Ashleigh's facebook. kind of hard because you have to refresh and then scroll back up to see the comments you missed. Unless I am doing it wrong. LOL

[starbright]

I am so glad TruTV is airing this trial. I live in west TN and until I saw the references on this board I had never heard one word in the newspaper, TV or radio re this case. Of course, this has been discussed many times before, but I think this was a true case of the media attempting to quash these terrible, terrible crimes.

I will be watching these next two trials, as I am sure, will all of you.

[cog1]

Thanks for the links.

That juror has some great comments. It seems like I keep learning new factoids about this case as I go along.. He mentioned that Lemaricus called Daphne from Chris' phone.. I guess I missed that testimony. Very small detail but just another nail in his coffin, which I had missed.

Hi Aubrey,

What is standing out to me and I'm not finished reading that post but this. The women jurors could not find that LD was responsible for the crime of raping Chris.

What bothers we about that is will we see more women jurors next time and will they do the same?

AMOO Oh, good morning everyone!!

[aubrey04]

Good Morning aubrey..and jakee too! Yikes Ashley is wow...rather angry..eh?..and the Def Attny guest is really coming across funny to me! I think the shrink gal (Saunders?) hit it on the head tho..He is angry about TK's form not the substance....LOL..Wasnt he just saying TK wasnt riling up the jury enough..How better to do that and give them some of the facts!!! and to correct that form..All she had to have said was "The evidence will show"...!! So ???? Where's the beef Mr. Def. Man???

Sorry havent got their names (TH's) straight yet!!

LMS

Yup. Imagine if she heard Eldridge & Trant's defense.. Her head would fly off.. She's irate.. And the psychiatrist is shaking her head.. She looks sickened and she said she's been in the business for 30 years.. I am sure she's heard a lot.

Wow.. Even the defense atty just said that if this guy doesn't get the DP -- then the prosecutor has lost this case.. Yikes.

[aubrey04]

Hi Aubrey,

What is standing out to me and I'm not finished reading that post but this. The women jurors could not find that LD was responsible for the crime of raping Chris.

What bothers we about that is will we see more women jurors next time and will they do the same?

AMOO Oh, good morning everyone!!

Yes, I read that, cog1. I really didn't understand their stance, at least how it was explained from the juror/writer of that post. :shrug:

[aubrey04]

I am so glad TruTV is airing this trial. I live in west TN and until I saw the references on this board I had never heard one word in the newspaper, TV or radio re this case. Of course, this has been discussed many times before, but I think this was a true case of the media attempting to quash these terrible, terrible crimes.

I will be watching these next two trials, as I am sure, will all of you.

I will watch every single trial, unless something prevents me. I plan to see this through to the end. I've read about some disgusting crimes before this is truly one of the most vile, barbaric,sadistic ones I have seen.

Can't believe you didn't hear about it and it was in your own state.. I actually came across the story while I was reading about another case that is nicknamed The Wichita Massacre.. That crime is on the same level as this one.. just perverse and disgusting.imo.

[cog1]

Yes, I read that, cog1. I really didn't understand their stance, at least how it was explained from the juror/writer of that post. :shrug:

It was a little confusing wasn't it?

I think what he was saying if I understood him correctly was that the women couldn't place him there when Chris was raped. That scared me but who knows what will happen this time around.

AMOO

[cog1]

Mornin cog..I read that post too..and got the impression that the whole jury panel believed LC was guilty..however when they had to go down that long list of each and every charge, they stepped back and looked at the evidence to see if proved beyong reasonable doubt..Sometimes the CSI affect makes some juror's need forensic proof of who did eactly what..and if they dont see it, they compromise abit on that particular charge....It must have been overwhelming for all of them!!

If their only question was "Did LC/LD take part in the crime as a whole?" and not required to decide on each and every element of that crme..they would have been back in that courtroom with a verdict in 2 minutes..Guilty...As it is, too fast verdicts are sometimes "Appellable" if appellate court deems jury misconduct..ala No deliberation claim by defense...it becomes a mistrial..

I dont know, but sometimes even on this board during some trials, there are some posters who say things similar..like I think they did it, but dont think it has been proven...BYRD

LMS

Hi lyndawithay!
I don't know what their reasoning was but I got the impression that felt that it wasn't proven that LD was there when Chris was raped. I think he was but they needed more proof maybe?

It just scares me for future trials. And, any juror speaking out giving so much detail of what was discussed etc. will surely be dissected by the next defense attys.

AMOO

[cog1]

I think they did believe Chris was raped..just wasnt proven WHO did that rape..The evidence was that there was semen..but no DNA found due to the degradation by the fire...Rape was proven, but not that LD did the actual rape...LD was found guilty on another level tho..facilitation of that rape ( at the very least) for not stopping it , allowing it to happen, etc....Or did I not understand all those guilty verdicts??...I know LC wasnt found guilty either of Chris's rape, because he was back at the house while Chris was removed to the train tracks...etc...

LMS

Yes, that is correct. He was found guilty of facilitation. Maybe I read the juror's comment wrong. The meaning. I thought he was saying that the women jurors didn't think he was even THERE when the rape of Chris took place. I think he surely was! Still facilitation is better than nothing but not as much as I wanted.

AMOO

[Roux]

Yes, I read that, cog1. I really didn't understand their stance, at least how it was explained from the juror/writer of that post. :shrug:

I don't get that either because as we discussed a number times at the end of Cobbins, the state met the requirements under TN law. I finally just quit thinking about it becuse it upset me.

Regarding the juror's mentioning the Bible during sentencing deliberations, just a few days ago I read somewhere (it must have been a thread here as I've not been reading anywhere else recently)about a defense challenging a verdict because a Bible had been brought into the jury room. The appeal was not upheld, but I can sure see Eldridge and Trant pouncing on it.

[cog1]

I don't get that either because as we discussed a number times at the end of Cobbins, the state met the requirements under TN law. I finally just quit thinking about it becuse it upset me.

Regarding the juror's mentioning the Bible during sentencing deliberations, just a few days ago I read somewhere (it must have been a thread here as I've not been reading anywhere else recently)about a defense challenging a verdict because a Bible had been brought into the jury room. The appeal was not upheld, but I can sure see Eldridge and Trant pouncing on it.

Are you kidding me the bible is not allowed in a jury room? I had no idea! I'm not questioning you Roux I just had not heard that before.

WOW

[Roux]

Are you kidding me the bible is not allowed in a jury room? I had no idea! I'm not questioning you Roux I just had not heard that before.

WOW

Guess I need to go look for the details. The defense claim was that the jurors could not use the Bible in their deliberations. The jury said they did not "use" or "reference" the Bible, simply that it was in the room.

[cog1]

Guess I need to go look for the details. The defense claim was that the jurors could not use the Bible in their deliberations. The jury said they did not "use" or "reference" the Bible, simply that it was in the room.

No need for a link. I'm sure these defense attorneys will go after that if they can.

Sickening huh? I'm sure they needed that bible for strength during this case and others!

AMOO

[Roux]

No need for a link. I'm sure these defense attorneys will go after that if they can.

Sickening huh? I'm sure they needed that bible for strength during this case and others!

AMOO

A quick google and I saw two cases: one death sentence overturned, Harlan case in Colorado - one sentence upheld, Oliver in central Texas.
Both cases involved Bibles in jury room.

[cog1]

A quick google and I saw two cases: one death sentence overturned, Harlan case in Colorado - one sentence upheld, Oliver in central Texas.
Both cases involved Bibles in jury room.

OMG now I am scared to death!! That is so sad what are the grounds do you know off hand?

TIA I can google it so it's ok. No need to explain. Our justice system sure is a wreck if you ask me!!

AMOO

[cog1]

I found a case in New Orleans, where a verdict got over turned in a "juror" in a murder case was either sleeping during deliberatons or quoting the bible..which prompted the removal of the bible in the jury room...

http://celebrifi.com/gossip/Jury-deliberates-CMurders-fate-616852.html

But having said all that..there were many cases in appellate courts that the bible did not change the verdict....I tend to think it isnt the bible being there that is the problem..it is how it is thumped by a juror which creates the issue...

I know there are many people who can quote the Bible, Chapter and Verse..no bible even needs to be there for that sort of thing really..However, the juror who refuses to deliberate is a huge problem!

Just a thought on that point..

LMS

Yes, I agree with what you are saying here. From I'm reading it appears that if the bible is merely read and not used to come to actual verdict then hopefully we are okay.

I hope that made sense! LOL

AMOO

[cog1]

Yes, makes perfect sense..apparantly that Harlan case had the Death Sentence overturned to LWOP since...oh here..read it yourslef..but the verdict in the guilt phase was upheld...

http://www.coadp.org/thedeathrow/RobertHarlan.html

snippet~~

Although his conviction was affirmed on direct appeal, Kathleen Lord and Sharlene Reynolds of the Colorado State Public Defenders Office did an incredible job in having Judge Vigil of the Adams County District Court vacate the death sentence because of juror misconduct. Jurors in that case improperly brought Bibles into the jury room and wrote down and quoted passages from the Old Testament. Such reliance on outside sources is strictly forbidden and jurors are instructed are instructed accordingly

LMS

So, where the jurors in LD's case told not to bring a bible into the juror room?

This is why I have a problem with a juror posting about their deliberations. OF course had he told it to a reporter it would be on record so I guess either way it is okay.

[cog1]

I just re-read that post..and to me it seems the their decision was based on each individual person being able to make the final decision as to Death..They had already done the deliberations balancing the mitigating versus aggravating factors and he said..Aggravating Factors were overwhelming. To decide someones death, even the most evil of persons has to be done by each one individually..as they have to live with their decision..

Having said all that tho..these jurors were all "Death Qualified"??..So it kinda makes me wonder just "How Qualified" were they?..It is nice to know at least, they reached their decision with reflection tho..they were NOT a Vindictive bunch of people..

LMS

Okay, that makes more sense. Guess I should have re-read it myself. LOL It was a little confusing to me the way he worded it.

Thank you!

[luvmyboys]

Hello all, what's going on? did i miss anything?:confused:

[jakee]

Hello all, what's going on? did i miss anything?:confused:

Hi! Someone did start a thread for the Cobbin's trial now being aired on TruTv. I am watching it again. I missed the very first day of this trial when it was live.

[luvmyboys]

Hi! Someone did start a thread for the Cobbin's trial now being aired on TruTv. I am watching it again. I missed the very first day of this trial when it was live.

oh ok, thanks jakee, can't wait till 12/1~~~

[cog1]

Hello all, what's going on? did i miss anything?:confused:

Howdy Luv, I was wondering when you would show up! :thumbsup:

We were discussing one of the juror's post which is linked above and the fact that a bible was brought into the jury room and would effects tht could have on reversal of the verdict.

Have a good weekend?

[luvmyboys]

Howdy Luv, I was wondering when you would show up! :thumbsup:

We were discussing one of the juror's post which is linked above and the fact that a bible was brought into the jury room and would effects tht could have on reversal of the verdict.

Have a good weekend?

hello, my dawlin, i've been looking for you! My weekend was good, can't wait to get through today and tomorrow then i'm off for the rest of the week!:thumbsup:

did you go back to that florida chat that we were on last week, those people were NUTS! LOL

[cog1]

hello, my dawlin, i've been looking for you! My weekend was good, can't wait to get through today and tomorrow then i'm off for the rest of the week!:thumbsup:

did you go back to that florida chat that we were on last week, those people were NUTS! LOL

Everyone pretty much left after you did. It was a wild ride for a while there wasn't it? LOL

Oh you lucky, lucky girl!!! I am thinking about taking Friday off. Maybe more. Slow week.

Good to see you here I looked for you as well but you were no where to be found!

[Roux]

Is there another thread jakee?..I thought CW merged this thread to Cobbins taped trial being aired on Insession?..I didnt see any other thread initially this morning...??

LMS

Lynda if no one has yet answered you, I do see a separate thread for the Cobbins trial. As for me, I can't stomach to watch it again.

[happypants]

they should get the death::crying:

[grammaw]

I'm wondering,if the trial of George Thomas starts 12/01/2009,why hasn't his police interview been released yet,or is it going to be,before trial.Real curious.Anybody seen it yet,anywhere?

[aproudmom]

I'm wondering,if the trial of George Thomas starts 12/01/2009,why hasn't his police interview been released yet,or is it going to be,before trial.Real curious.Anybody seen it yet,anywhere?

I sure hope it starts on the 1st gram I looked for his interview and could not find it:confused:

[aproudmom]

Lynda if no one has yet answered you, I do see a separate thread for the Cobbins trial. As for me, I can't stomach to watch it again.

yeck I dont think I can either 1 time was enough for me:angry:

[aproudmom]

I'm wondering,if the trial of George Thomas starts 12/01/2009,why hasn't his police interview been released yet,or is it going to be,before trial.Real curious.Anybody seen it yet,anywhere?

gram I found out why we have not seen it

http://www.wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=11306866

Court hears motions to suppress statements in Thomas trial

Judge Richard Baumgartner said he'll make a decision on the Thomas motions after the trial of LeMaricus Davidson, the alleged ringleader in the murders.

[aubrey04]

gram I found out why we have not seen it

http://www.wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=11306866

Court hears motions to suppress statements in Thomas trial

Judge Richard Baumgartner said he'll make a decision on the Thomas motions after the trial of LeMaricus Davidson, the alleged ringleader in the murders.

Thanks for finding that, APM! I looked all over for info on it.. I figured that the Judge had pushed back the hearing on the matter until Davidson's trial was finished up, but couldn't find anything to verify that.

I hope he rules they're admissable because the case against George Thomas is the weakest of all defendants, imo. with no DNA linking him.. Most of us know he was involved, but that's because we have heard Cobbins, Davidson and Coleman's interviews... but those won't be admitted into Thomas' trial.. so we REALLY need his interview to be admitted.

imo