According to Report, Illegal Immigrants Can Receive Benefits Under New Bill

[Annie143]

http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/08-26-2009/0005083496&EDATE=

Congressional Research Service: Illegal Aliens Can Receive Benefits Under House Health Care Bill

WASHINGTON, Aug. 26 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Tuesday, the Congressional Research Service (CRS), the "research arm" for the United States Congress, issued a report validating an analysis by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), that illegal aliens would be able to receive benefits under the House health care reform bill, America's Affordable Health Care Act of 2009 (H.R. 3200).

The report, Treatment of Noncitizens in H.R. 3200, states definitively, "H.R. 3200 does not contain any restrictions on noncitizens - whether legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently - participating in the Exchange." H.R. 3200 establishes a Health Insurance Exchange which would provide individuals and small businesses with access to health care plans, including the "public option" to be managed by the government.

CRS also confirms FAIR's assessment that the House bill does not include a mechanism to prevent illegal aliens from receiving "affordability credits" that would subsidize the purchase of private health insurance. CRS specifically noted the absence "of a provision in the bill specifying the verification procedure." Because the language is ambiguous, all CRS could reasonably conclude is that any eligibility determination would be the responsibility of the Health Choices Commissioner....... (snipped)

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

And guess who gets to pay for them???? Ain't it just grand?



Obama, congress, George Soros and friends? :tongueside:

[desmom]

I see the right wing is still trying to push, and instill fear. It's a shame they have no truths or facts to do it with.

GMAB! The GOP only has fear left to push their platform along, and it's not working very well these days. In fact, it's starting to backfire on "them".

BTW, we're already paying for their treatment when they go to the Emergency Rooms in Hospitals across the country. You see, they do NOT have to prove they're citizen's of the United Sttes in order to get care. It cannot be refused. Frankly, I've never been big on watching any human being suffer who is in need of medical care, but I'm well aware there is a "PORTION" of our population that has no problem with it whatsoever. It's the "I'VE GOT MINE, AND TO HECK WITH EVERYONE ELSE" mentality/philosophy. :thumbdown:

moo


I agree.

jmo

[Lady_Jean_La]

who pays now?

not saying I agree with this, but who pays now? we all do don't we?

http://www.squidoo.com/what-is-the-quote-on-the-statue-of-liberty

""Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

shouldn't we change our welcome mat if this is no longer what we want?

The USA takes in more legal immigrants than any other country. Nothing in your quotation says allow people to cut in line. imo

[orangetaffy]

Even Canada doesn’t provide health benefits for Illegal’s. It can't be done, unless we want a tax rate of 60% or higher.

[Carol25]

Once illegals would realize they were not going to get healthcare and an education here without coming here legally, the land of gold wouldn't look so good for them.

Come legally and we'll share what we have, but don't sneak over borders in the dead of night to pursue a dream that isn't there.

[ortiga]

Remarkable. They want a 5 year waiting period to qualify for participation in the health care system for legal Immigrants.

"FAIR"

[Barbara2]

Remarkable. They want a 5 year waiting period to qualify for participation in the health care system for legal Immigrants.

"FAIR"

Massachusetts is planning to drop them after covering them. "UNFAIR"

http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/05/proposed_cuts_in_massachusetts.html

[Streetdreamer]

I see the right wing is still trying to push, and instill fear. It's a shame they have no truths or facts to do it with.

GMAB! The GOP only has fear left to push their platform along, and it's not working very well these days. In fact, it's starting to backfire on "them".

BTW, we're already paying for their treatment when they go to the Emergency Rooms in Hospitals across the country. You see, they do NOT have to prove they're citizen's of the United Sttes in order to get care. It cannot be refused. Frankly, I've never been big on watching any human being suffer who is in need of medical care, but I'm well aware there is a "PORTION" of our population that has no problem with it whatsoever. It's the "I'VE GOT MINE, AND TO HECK WITH EVERYONE ELSE" mentality/philosophy. :thumbdown:

moo

Its a shame that the same mentality that existed prior to the civil rights era exists now. They want to make sure that people who they don't view as equals suffer without health or hope. They seem to care more about health and justice for M. Vick's dogs than about universal health care in order to prevent having to pay a penny for immigrants in so they can save 2 pennies for themselves. They would rather pay triple for substandard health care in order to make sure an immigrant gets none. Some of what we're seeing is the face of true evil, and they are convinced they're the true Americans.

[theal3]

Some are assuming all illegal aliens don't have insurance or get free hospital care. Do the insurance companies sell them policies if they can afford it? or do they turn them away. I'm assuming also if they show up in emergency rooms they are asked if they have insurance, just like I do, and if not given a bill. Are some assuming they don't pay the bill? I've heard of folks (and experienced it myself) that when asked if you have insurance or not, and they bill you direct, they charge less. I have health, no problem but not dental or vision, and they charge less if I pay cash.

There are also people with insurance with high deductibles who get stuck and can't pay the bill, or get denied claims, and the rest of us pay. There's such a hodge podge of health programs, and services, and insurance regulations and policies differing from state to state. I wish it would be more uniform.

[Annie143]

Wow ! It has been standard practice and has been written about many times that the uninsured patient is charged more than what is the negotiated price by the insurance companies....the unfairness of it.

When I had major surgery with no insurance, everyone kept telling us to try and negotiate insurance rates with the hospital. We couldnt get down that far but, by paying cash (putting it on credit cards) we were able to get a 30 % discount, which was still not as low as the insurance rates. That was just the hospital. The surgeon and ancillary services were non negotiable.

and if not given a bill. A good portion of those bills are never paid.

Some are assuming all illegal aliens don't have insurance or get free hospital care. Do the insurance companies sell them policies if they can afford it? or do they turn them away. I'm assuming also if they show up in emergency rooms they are asked if they have insurance, just like I do, and if not given a bill. Are some assuming they don't pay the bill? I've heard of folks (and experienced it myself) that when asked if you have insurance or not, and they bill you direct, they charge less. I have health, no problem but not dental or vision, and they charge less if I pay cash.

There are also people with insurance with high deductibles who get stuck and can't pay the bill, or get denied claims, and the rest of us pay. There's such a hodge podge of health programs, and services, and insurance regulations and policies differing from state to state. I wish it would be more uniform.

[Hannibal]

that none of the bills give benefits to illegals...
I assume the tc got this from Fox or some other right wing outlet..
oh well..more repub lies...

Obama shouldn't have tried to pass healthcare this term anyway..not worth the effort and the lies he has had to put up with and his admin has done a por job countering those lies...
So he made a mistake even trying to do it right now...

oh well...

:thumbdown:

[orangetaffy]

that none of the bills give benefits to illegals...
I assume the tc got this from Fox or some other right wing outlet..
oh well..more repub lies...

Obama shouldn't have tried to pass healthcare this term anyway..not worth the effort and the lies he has had to put up with and his admin has done a por job countering those lies...
So he made a mistake even trying to do it right now...

oh well...

:thumbdown:

I guess I am confused. Is the Congressional Research Service (CRS), the "research arm" for the United States Congress a right wing outlet? Or are you saying they are a Fox affiliate?

[Hannibal]

more likely they are being misquoted by a right wing outfit for propaganda purposes..
So I suggest you go to the government website and read what it says and not something spun by right wingers to suit their own political purposes...
and stop letting the facts confuse you friend...

:angry:

[orangetaffy]

"H.R. 3200 does not contain any restrictions on noncitzens participating in the Exchanges whether the noncitizens are legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently"

That is taken directly from the congressional research website.

http://opencrs.com/document/R40773/

Now, to be fair, it goes on to say they would be exempt from the individual mandate of having to have insurance. But if they want insurance, they cannot be denied coverage under the public plans.

[MercedesV]

Interesting article well worth reading at factcheck about many myths being talked about. In this case from an email, but directly related to this thread.

Claim: Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.

False. That’s simply not what the bill says at all. This page includes "SEC. 152. PROHIBITING DISCRIMINATION IN HEALTH CARE," which says that "[e]xcept as otherwise explicitly permitted by this Act and by subsequent regulations consistent with this Act, all health care and related services (including insurance coverage and public health activities) covered by this Act shall be provided without regard to personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services." However, the bill does explicitly say that illegal immigrants can’t get any government money to pay for health care. Page 143 states: "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States." And as we’ve said before, current law prohibits illegal immigrants from participating in government health care programs.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/twenty-six-lies-about-hr-3200/

I recommend reading the whole article, listing the 26 lies about the House Health care bill. As to this thread, illegal immigrants CAN NOT receive benefits under the new bill.

[orangetaffy]

IMO, it will come down to legal interpretations.

yes, it says "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States"...all that means is they cannot get govt help in paying for their premiums..it does not say they cannot participate in the public plans. IF, as we are being told, the public plans will be composed of pvt insurers, Im not sure how anyone could be denied access, so long as they meet the other criteria (no employer insurance etc). At least that's how it was explained to me by a federal judge. As he said, when it comes to congressional laws, EVERYTHING is open to interpretation, and much of this new health care proposal will lead to several legal cases down the line. He said if something isnt specifically excluded, then it is, by default, included.

[Not Telling]

The Five Biggest Lies in the Health Care Debate
By Sharon Begley | NEWSWEEK
Published Aug 29, 2009
From the magazine issue dated Sep 7, 2009


Illegal immigrants will get free health insurance.
The House bill doesn't give anyone free health care (though under a 1986 law illegals who can't pay do get free emergency care now, courtesy of all us premium paying customers or of hospitals that have to eat the cost). Will they be eligible for subsidies to buy health insurance? The house bill says that "individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States" will not be allowed to receive subsidies.

The claim that taxpayers will wind up subsidizing health insurance for illegal immigrants has its origins in the defeat of an amendment, offered in July by Republican Rep. Dean Heller of Nevada, to require those enrolling in a public plan or seeking subsidies to purchase private insurance to have their citizenship verified. Flecksoflife.com claimed on July 19 that "hc [health care] will be provided 2 all non us citizens, illegal or otherwise." Rep. Steve king of Iowa spread the claim in a USA today op-ed on Aug. 20, calling the explicit prohibition on such coverage "functionally meaningless" absent mandatory citizenship checks, and it's now gone viral. Can we say that none of the estimated 11.9 million illegal immigrants will ever wangle insurance subsidies through identity fraud, pretending to be a citizen? You can't prove a negative, but experts say that Medicare—the closest thing to the proposals in the House bill—has no such problem.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/214254/output/print

[orangetaffy]

one has to wonder why the ammendment was defeated. I mean, it made the language of the bill very clear when it comes to health care for illegals, yet it was not made part of the bill. Hmmmm could be that some know that the current language is just vague ebnough to pass muster, yet still allow illegals to gain entry into the system.

Seems to me the easiest and most forthcoming way to have handled the issue would have been to include the ammendment which would have specifically barred illegals from the public health care system. The current language does not. All the current language does is says an illegal cannot get the gvt subsidies (sliding scale) for the public plan. The can still buy into it, which would mean they are using tax payers money, since tax payers money is what will fund the plan.

[CelticDawn]

http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/08-26-2009/0005083496&EDATE=

Congressional Research Service: Illegal Aliens Can Receive Benefits Under House Health Care Bill

THAT is just WRONG!

[Streetdreamer]

If the truth is scary, be afraid. Be very afraid. How will 50 million people be added to the list of "insured" without it costing an extra dime?

Because we pay for those people in emergency rooms already. They are already on our dime. Have you ever seen the deal "buy 3 tires and get the 4th one free"? You're already paying for the fourth tire and you cannot have a new plan without getting a fourth tire anyway. Same with health care. We are already paying for those people.

If we get them insured, then they can get preventive medical costs especially for children who need vaccinations or even dental treatment. This will prevent root canals and tuberculousis and so on that will make medical care far cheaper than emergency care.

[orangetaffy]

Because we pay for those people in emergency rooms already. They are already on our dime. Have you ever seen the deal "buy 3 tires and get the 4th one free"? You're already paying for the fourth tire and you cannot have a new plan without getting a fourth tire anyway. Same with health care. We are already paying for those people.

If we get them insured, then they can get preventive medical costs especially for children who need vaccinations or even dental treatment. This will prevent root canals and tuberculousis and so on that will make medical care far cheaper than emergency care.

They will (as will many others) still end up in the emergency room. There are not enough doctors to do otherwise. I know, I know, the govt is going to produce more doctors, but they wont if this version of reform passes. People arent going to go into health care and be paid next to nothing, and have their medical practice ran by the govt. It just wont happen. Our best and brightest will stay out medicine.

[Annie143]

There are links to neither the "truth" or the "facts", but definitely to more untruths. :thumbdown:

moo why so ? Because you say so ? Just curious.