8/28 -- Michael Jackson-VICTIM of Homicide

[RootBeer]

Documents: Marijuana found in search of Jackson's bedroom

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/08/28/jackson.home.search/index.html

[retiredcop]

Snipped:

In addition to listing two Baggies of marijuana, the detective's report of what was found in Jackson's home listed three vials of Latanoprost Plus Solution liquid. An online search found medical journal references to this glaucoma medication also used to stimulate hair growth.

Another drug being used off label. I wonder how many drugs were used off label by Mr Jackson over the years. He was trying to stimulate hair growth.

Diprivan was being used off label and now this drug. Hmmmmmm

[GentleBreeze]

Snipped:

In addition to listing two Baggies of marijuana, the detective's report of what was found in Jackson's home listed three vials of Latanoprost Plus Solution liquid. An online search found medical journal references to this glaucoma medication also used to stimulate hair growth.

Another drug being used off label. I wonder how many drugs were used off label by Mr Jackson over the years. He was trying to stimulate hair growth.

Diprivan was being used off label and now this drug. Hmmmmmm

How do we know the glaucoma medication was being used off label? Glaucoma can certainly happen to anyone, unfortunately.

I dont know why MJ would want to stimulate hair growth since he had worn wigs for years and years and they looked great on him, imo

imo

[retiredcop]

How do we know the glaucoma medication was being used off label? Glaucoma can certainly happen to anyone, unfortunately.

I dont know why MJ would want to stimulate hair growth since he had worn wigs for years and years and they looked great on him, imo

imo

I think the medication was used to stimulate hair growth. Who knows how long he was using this drug. I have never heard anything about him having glaucoma, have you? Of course he would want his own hair. I can't imagine anyone wanting to wear wigs if they don't have to do so. I'm not in agreement the long wig looked so good on him. It always looked like a woman's wig to me.

I still wonder how many drugs he took off label over the years.

in my opinion

[tiptop]

I think the medication was used to stimulate hair growth. Who knows how long he was using this drug. I have never heard anything about him having glaucoma, have you? Of course he would want his own hair. I can't imagine anyone wanting to wear wigs if they don't have to do so. I'm not in agreement the long wig looked so good on him. It always looked like a woman's wig to me.

I still wonder how many drugs he took off label over the years.

in my opinion

I have never heard about him having glaucoma either, but then again he did hide Debbie Rowe from the world for about 10 years. Could explain the pot too, if he did have it.

[flipflop]

Aren't the autopsy results supposed to be released today?

[tiptop]

Aren't the autopsy results supposed to be released today?


I thought I saw that yesterday too. They would be releasing the COD. But is that necessarily the same as releasing the autopsy report? lol, its too early to fight ---- I'm just asking.

[?WudScoobyDo]

Snipped:

In addition to listing two Baggies of marijuana, the detective's report of what was found in Jackson's home listed three vials of Latanoprost Plus Solution liquid. An online search found medical journal references to this glaucoma medication also used to stimulate hair growth.

Another drug being used off label. I wonder how many drugs were used off label by Mr Jackson over the years. He was trying to stimulate hair growth.

Diprivan was being used off label and now this drug. Hmmmmmm


I think the marijuana was really hash based on its description, and there really is no such thing as "off label use". And probably one of the few drugs that never would have killed him.

[?WudScoobyDo]

I have never heard about him having glaucoma either, but then again he did hide Debbie Rowe from the world for about 10 years. Could explain the pot too, if he did have it.


Under California law, marijuana can be used for glaucoma, or " any other condition."

[?WudScoobyDo]

How do we know the glaucoma medication was being used off label? Glaucoma can certainly happen to anyone, unfortunately.

I dont know why MJ would want to stimulate hair growth since he had worn wigs for years and years and they looked great on him, imo

imo

Indeed they did look great on him. And they didn't look like wigs either.

[tiptop]

Under California law, marijuana can be used for glaucoma, or " any other condition."

I discovered that when I researched the medicinal marijuana uses in CA. I had always heard pot eased the symptoms of glaucoma and was glad to hear CA stepped up to the plate and included it.

[?WudScoobyDo]

I think the medication was used to stimulate hair growth. Who knows how long he was using this drug. I have never heard anything about him having glaucoma, have you? Of course he would want his own hair. I can't imagine anyone wanting to wear wigs if they don't have to do so. I'm not in agreement the long wig looked so good on him. It always looked like a woman's wig to me.

I still wonder how many drugs he took off label over the years.

in my opinion

I guess you haven't seen *that* video, cuz he was sure lookin good to me.
:tongueside:

[?WudScoobyDo]

I discovered that when I researched the medicinal marijuana uses in CA. I had always heard pot eased the symptoms of glaucoma and was glad to hear CA stepped up to the plate and included it.

Its been legal for a number of years. It can be used legally for basically any condition with a doctors recommendation. The statute lists certain specific conditions, and then ends the section with ...or any condition. One of the conditions it specifically lists is writers cramp, which always cracked me up. The only condition you really need to have is $200.00 and a ride to the doctors office.

[tiptop]

Its been legal for a number of years. It can be used legally for basically any condition with a doctors recommendation. The statute lists certain specific conditions, and then ends the section with ...or any condition. One of the conditions it specifically lists is writers cramp, which always cracked me up. The only condition you really need to have is $200.00 and a ride to the doctors office.

:ohmy:

*packs for CA*

[?WudScoobyDo]

:ohmy:

*packs for CA*


Thats funny. There are several other states too. The only thing is to stay off of federal property if you have a joint sticking out of your mouth. So if you visit Yosemite, which is the best reason to pack for Ca., you should try to conceal it. Also you aren't allowed to "use" it on a school bus. haha

[?WudScoobyDo]

Maybe, Jacko was partially blind. He had to be cause DR is not so easy on the eyes. :laugh:

Maybe he had her wear a mask.
:laugh:

[retiredcop]

Thats funny. There are several other states too. The only thing is to stay off of federal property if you have a joint sticking out of your mouth. So if you visit Yosemite, which is the best reason to pack for Ca., you should try to conceal it. Also you aren't allowed to "use" it on a school bus. haha

Is it legal in Arizona? Where is legal pot gotten by people for medical conditions? A pharmacy? Does insurance cover it?

in my opinion

[tiptop]

Maybe, Jacko was partially blind. He had to be cause DR is not so easy on the eyes. :laugh:

Now, now Eagle ---- you know you're going to get your beak slapped for that comment.....lol

[retiredcop]

NO, a two paper bagger. :laugh:

I guess all the posters who post here, and their wives or husbands are gorgeous.:biggrin:

in my opinion

[?WudScoobyDo]

Is it legal in Arizona? Where is legal pot gotten by people for medical conditions? A pharmacy? Does insurance cover it?

in my opinion


I think Arizona is one of the states. In California, they have dispensaries or collectives. Its like any other store basically, but it always smells good inside. You must have your written recommendation and your id with you to go inside. Once inside, they have several kinds on display to choose from, as well as "edibals", drinks, butter.. you name it. Private insurance does not cover it, but believe it or not state aid will pay for half of the cost to obtain a recommendation. They don't help pay for the "medicine." But you are allowed to grow it and as long as you don't have more than 8 ounces you are good to go.

[?WudScoobyDo]

Won't be the first time Top. :wink:


Link to your "beak" please.

[retiredcop]

I think Arizona is one of the states. In California, they have dispensaries or collectives. Its like any other store basically, but it always smells good inside. You must have your written recommendation and your id with you to go inside. Once inside, they have several kinds on display to choose from, as well as "edibals", drinks, butter.. you name it. Private insurance does not cover it, but believe it or not state aid will pay for half of the cost to obtain a recommendation. They don't help pay for the "medicine." But you are allowed to grow it and as long as you don't have more than 8 ounces you are good to go.

But what about federal law? Is that covered also?

[tiptop]

I guess all the posters who post here, and their wives or husbands are gorgeous.:biggrin:

in my opinion


Actually, back in the days when MJ and Debbie first met I dont think she was all that bad. It does appear to some that she hasnt aged well but I saw some early pics of her that looked nice. I wonder what he saw in her --- if anything at all. From some accounts, she merely offered her services at a time when MJ and Lisa Marie were married but Lisa didnt want to have children with him.

[retiredcop]

Patients and primary caregivers are allowed to grow medical marijuana. For more information, contact Green Cross Patient Co-op (http://www.hemp.net/greencross/)

http://www.hemp.net/692faq.html#9

Would this be a doctor shopping experience? Thanks for the link. This was not legal in Florida that I know of. I never followed this in the news.

in my opinion

[GentleBreeze]

Indeed they did look great on him. And they didn't look like wigs either.

You are right. All those years I didn't even know he wore wigs.

I just don't think the glaucoma medication necessary means it was used for something else. Didn't Elvis have glaucoma and he was younger than MJ?

imo

[tiptop]

Wow Eagle - you're quite stunning!

[?WudScoobyDo]

But what about federal law? Is that covered also?

It is still illegal under federal law. Obama put a halt to federal raids on dispensaries, but it still happens. Even the local police will often give a ticket and take it away. But it will be dismissed in court, and then you have to file a motion to get your pot back. The city of Garden Grove, CA spent millions going to court instead of giving a few grams back to the guy. That case set the precedent for being able to ask for it back, after dismissal from court.

[retiredcop]

Lighten up rc, we're only kidding around here until the report comes out. :laugh:.

Still, I would like to know if your wife is a playboy centerfold or not. How does she compare to DR?:laugh:

in my opinion

[retiredcop]

It is still illegal under federal law. Obama put a halt to federal raids on dispensaries, but it still happens. Even the local police will often give a ticket and take it away. But it will be dismissed in court, and then you have to file a motion to get your pot back. The city of Garden Grove, CA spent millions going to court instead of giving a few grams back to the guy. That case set the precedent for being able to ask for it back, after dismissal from court.

Very interesting. I would be afraid of the munchies and turning into a rolly polly.:biggrin:

[?WudScoobyDo]

Would this be a doctor shopping experience? Thanks for the link. This was not legal in Florida that I know of. I never followed this in the news.

in my opinion


No need to shop for a doctor, there are plenty of them who do nothing more than sit in a office and sign a recommendation.
Here's another link.

www.NORML.org

[?WudScoobyDo]

Did you expect anything less? :wink:


hehe..less. Too funny.

[retiredcop]

No need to shop for a doctor, there are plenty of them who do nothing more than sit in a office and sign a recommendation.
Here's another link.

www.NORML.org

Doesn't there have to be a medical reason? What are some of the reasons you can tell the doctor? Does he check it out the reason is valid?

[GentleBreeze]

I guess you haven't seen *that* video, cuz he was sure lookin good to me.
:tongueside:

I actually liked the long hair look much better especially when he has part of it away from his face with the curls hanging loosely around his temples. And I think the still photos of him when they caught him in mid air with his hair flaring back are absolutely some of the most gorgeous photos I have ever seen of any entertainer.

LOL! He sure didn't look like a woman to me. He did look like a very appealing, sexy, vibrant and very energetic man.

imo

[retiredcop]

My wife is deceased rc and yes, she was quite beautiful. :angry:


Well, ok then. Sorry for your loss.

in my opinion

[?WudScoobyDo]

My wife is deceased rc and yes, she was quite beautiful. :angry:

Sorry to hear that Eagleye.

[GentleBreeze]

My wife is deceased rc and yes, she was quite beautiful. :angry:

I am very sorry to hear that Eagle.:sad:

I have no doubt that she was a very beautiful woman.

imo

[?WudScoobyDo]

Doesn't there have to be a medical reason? What are some of the reasons you can tell the doctor? Does he check it out the reason is valid?

If you have medical records for any condition, and tell the pot doc that it helps the condition, you get the recommendation. If you don't have medical records of any kind, you pay more to establish a condition. I would bet that not a single person with $200.00 to pay has ever been turned down. Even if it goes to court, you don't have to justify your condition, as that is between your doctor and yourself.

[?WudScoobyDo]

I actually liked the long hair look much better especially when he has part of it away from his face with the curls hanging loosely around his temples. And I think the still photos of him when they caught him in mid air with his hair flaring back are absolutely some of the most gorgeous photos I have ever seen of any entertainer.

LOL! He sure didn't look like a woman to me. He did look like a very appealing, sexy, vibrant and very energetic man.

imo


mmm, yes. That kind of sexy should be outlawed.

imo...of course.

[Rayosunshine]

You are right. All those years I didn't even know he wore wigs.

I just don't think the glaucoma medication necessary means it was used for something else. Didn't Elvis have glaucoma and he was younger than MJ?

imo

There is a drug out now, and I think it is originally for glaucoma, that is used to thicken and lengthen eyelashes. It's called something-tique (can't remember), Brooke Shields it in the ad, I think.

[retiredcop]

States allowing medical use of marijuana.

http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/viewresource.asp?resourceID=000881

[flipflop]

Coroner Releases Jackson Findings This AM
Posted Aug 28th 2009 11:32AM by TMZ Staff

The L.A. County Coroner will release Michael Jackson's cause of death in the next hour or so.

We're told the Coroner will not release the autopsy report, but we will learn what the Coroner believes killed Michael Jackson ... and what conclusions the Coroner has drawn from the death -- i.e., homicide, death at the hands of another.

Come back to the site and you'll see it when it breaks



Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/28/michael-jackson-l-a-county-coroner-homicide/#ixzz0PUgZY36a


http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/28/michael-jackson-l-a-county-coroner-homicide/

[tiptop]

Thanks flip, should be interesting.

[retiredcop]

Coroner Releases Jackson Findings This AM
Posted Aug 28th 2009 11:32AM by TMZ Staff

The L.A. County Coroner will release Michael Jackson's cause of death in the next hour or so.

We're told the Coroner will not release the autopsy report, but we will learn what the Coroner believes killed Michael Jackson ... and what conclusions the Coroner has drawn from the death -- i.e., homicide, death at the hands of another.

Come back to the site and you'll see it when it breaks



Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/28/michael-jackson-l-a-county-coroner-homicide/#ixzz0PUgZY36a


http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/28/michael-jackson-l-a-county-coroner-homicide/

Finally. I guess no tox report. Dang!!

in my opinion

[?WudScoobyDo]

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ohhhhhhhhhhhh gesh imo

Evidently you haven't seen *that* video either. Maybe later I'll try to hook you up to a link.
:wink:

[retiredcop]

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ohhhhhhhhhhhh gesh imo

I agree. Was Fred Astaire considered sexy? I don't remember. Maybe because he could dance?

in my opinion

[Cindylee]

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ohhhhhhhhhhhh gesh imo

I think he was a great looking guy in the 80's, before he started messing with his face.

[Cindylee]

Another Estate hearing:



Michael Jackson Estate Hearing

Posted Aug 28th 2009 11:30AM by TMZ Staff

Attorneys for everyone involved in Michael Jackson's estate -- Katherine Jackson, Michael's kids, and the co-administrators -- are in court today to discuss Katherine's safe harbor petition.

The safe harbor petition allows Katherine to ask the judge if she can object the special administrators without it being considered contesting Jackson's will. Jackson's will contains a no-contest clause -- meaning anyone who challenges it loses their inheritance rights.

** KEEP REFRESHING FOR THE LATEST UPDATES **

11:59 AM ET -- The judge has shot Buie down, claiming she doesn't have the standing to file an objection. Apparently imaginary relationships don't count.

11:57 AM ET -- A woman named Charlene Buie (crazy on Line 1) says she has a hand-written will from Jackson and doesn't think the will recognized by the court is legit because the initials on the will are not MJ's handwriting.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0PUiWzG8C

[tiptop]

I think he was a great looking guy in the 80's, before he started messing with his face.


I agree. There for awhile he looked a lot like LaToya.

[daniel green]

The safe harbor petition allows Katherine to ask the judge if she can object the special administrators without it being considered contesting Jackson's will. Jackson's will contains a no-contest clause -- meaning anyone who challenges it loses their inheritance rights.

snipped

Oh, that Katherine. :rolleyes:

[daniel green]

Michael Jackson Flunked His Credit Report

Posted Aug 28th 2009 12:35AM by TMZ Staff

Here's a shocker -- Michael Jackson had an abysmally low credit score.

TMZ has learned that in 2007, Jacko's average credit score was 563.67 (Equifax 592, Transunion: 524, Experian: 575) which most experts consider very low. (According to creditreport.com, the average credit rating for people in California is 672.)


Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0PRxRPN32

Total disaster.

[?WudScoobyDo]

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Dont bother............not interested. I know exactly what he looks like. Sexy? Not in any way, shape or form but if thats what turns u on, then so be it. imo

Thank you. I appreciate your approval. An open mind is a good mind.

[Cindylee]

Oh, that Katherine. :rolleyes:

She is sure trying to get around that no contest part. :ohmy:

[daniel green]

Cindy--I just saw you posted this in closed thread. YIKES. :scared:

The doc shows on August 21, the DEA took "60 prescriptions, 29 patient print-outs, 3 copies of DEA Forms 222 (Order Forms), and copies of inventories of controlled substances."

Mickey Fine was used extensively by Dr. Arnold Klein and other doctors who treated Michael -- it's also where Jackson obtained prescriptions

for Demerol and many other drugs.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0PUk2fqET

[?WudScoobyDo]

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0PRxRPN32

Total disaster.


You are correct. His financial advisor and or accountant should be exposed for doing such a lousy job.

[Cindylee]

Cindy--I just saw you posted this in closed thread. YIKES. :scared:



Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0PUk2fqET

Yikes is right.

[tiptop]

I agree. Was Fred Astaire considered sexy? I don't remember. Maybe because he could dance?

in my opinion


I've read that MJ discovered the Moonwalk dance on the music show Soul Train. Only it was called the Backslide (IIRC). I was surprised to discover this because I thought he made it up. I think the dancing endeared many people to MJ. He made it look so easy.

[?WudScoobyDo]

She is sure trying to get around that no contest part. :ohmy:

She is being a prudent mother. Until she knows who killed her son, I don't blame her one bit.

[?WudScoobyDo]

Whoever posted the link that messed up our screen should delete it. Its so annoying.

[daniel green]

28-2009, 01:11 AM
Unperson1984
Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 2,176

Quote:
Originally Posted by daniel green
http://a.abcnews.com/images/Nightlin..._080929_mn.jpg

It comes in colors? Like M & Ms

It comes in little balloons, which are in all colors.

[?WudScoobyDo]

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ohhhhhhhhhh you're very welcome. And u have a great day.

With 106 temeratures outside and fires surrounding us, it makes it difficult to have a great day, but I am aiming for at least a decent day.

[?WudScoobyDo]

It comes in little balloons, which are in all colors.

You mean heroin? Why still discuss heroin when it wasn't heroin.?

[?WudScoobyDo]

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MJ didnt invent the Moonwalk and he never gave credit to who did. imo


But I bet it was Michael who had it trademarked and therefore would be the ownder of the Moonwalk.

[retiredcop]

I've read that MJ discovered the Moonwalk dance on the music show Soul Train. Only it was called the Backslide (IIRC). I was surprised to discover this because I thought he made it up. I think the dancing endeared many people to MJ. He made it look so easy.

I always thought he invented it too. I wonder who really did? He sure never gave anyone credit.

in my opinion

[flipflop]

Whoever posted the link that messed up our screen should delete it. Its so annoying.

I was wondering this whole time what I did to my computer to make me have to scroll sideways.

[?WudScoobyDo]

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Spin it any way u like but thats theft. imo

Maybe to you it is, but it isn't under the law. Out of the hundreds of lawsuits filed against MJ, that wasn't one of them as far as I know.

[Roxxanne]

Maybe to you it is, but it isn't under the law. Out of the hundreds of lawsuits filed against MJ, that wasn't one of them as far as I know.

Did Michael ever say he invented it?

[retiredcop]

Did Michael ever say he invented it?

No, he just let everyone assume he did. Same thing.

in my opinion

[retiredcop]

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So very true. imo

Do you think he polished it by ending up on his tippy toes? I doubt it, but it is a thought.

in my opinion

[Roxxanne]

No, he just let everyone assume he did. Same thing.

in my opinion

No it isn't the same thing! :rolleyes: IF he said he did,then that would have been a lie!

[retiredcop]

No it isn't the same thing! :rolleyes: IF he said he did,then that would have been a lie!

It is the same thing. He knew people thought he invented that when he didn't. It is a lie by omission. He omitted who invented it.

in my opinion

[Roxxanne]

It is the same thing. He knew people thought he invented that when he didn't. It is a lie by omission. He omitted who invented it.

in my opinion

Yeah right, whatever!:rolleyes:

[retiredcop]

Long before his time. Many black performers. Most of MJ's moves came from these dancers from the 1920's and 30's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxZcLWAmdco


All those dancers were every bit as good as Mr Jackson and most better. I always thought Sammy Davis Jr was a better dancer than Jackson.

Nothing original I see with Mr Jackson.

in my opinion

[?WudScoobyDo]

No, he just let everyone assume he did. Same thing.

in my opinion

Well that horrible injustice against the true inventor of moonwalk, has ended, so what difference would it make, even if true.

[?WudScoobyDo]

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MJ, through the years, absolutely took credit for it. imo


And a great business decision as well.. if in fact thats true.

[?WudScoobyDo]

Cops Descend on Dr. Klein's Block
Posted Aug 28th 2009 11:00AM by TMZ Staff

It looked like a major development in Michael Jackson's death ... A few minutes ago, a Beverly Hills Crime Lab truck pulls up near Dr. Arnold Klein's building. A short time later, a Beverly Hills patrol car arrives



Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0PUygTb4d

[GentleBreeze]

Well that horrible injustice against the true inventor of moonwalk, has ended, so what difference would it make, even if true.

Strange that once MJ did the moonwalk it would forever be known as his. There is the moonwalk and then there is the moonwalk performed by one of the most dynamic dancers of our time.....Michael Jackson.

His ability to put his own touches on it completely wiped out everyone else that had done it before him.

And Fred Astair thought Michael Jackson was a fabulous dancer.

imo

[?WudScoobyDo]

It is the same thing. He knew people thought he invented that when he didn't. It is a lie by omission. He omitted who invented it.

in my opinion

If you thought about it really hard, do you think you could come up with a single thing that MJ ever did good? Anything at all?

[?WudScoobyDo]

http://midnightman84.wordpress.com/2009/01/11/the-origins-of-michael-jacksons-trademark-moonwalk-dance/


Trademark being the relevant word.

[tiptop]

I always thought he invented it too. I wonder who really did? He sure never gave anyone credit.

in my opinion

Here's some history about the dance:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonwalk_%28dance%29

Maybe I missed it, but I dont see the reference to Soul Train like in J. Randy Taborrelli's updated book about Michael. J. Randy gave the kid's name who MJ allegedly got it from on the show. I do believe MJ made it his own though.

[tiptop]

http://midnightman84.wordpress.com/2009/01/11/the-origins-of-michael-jacksons-trademark-moonwalk-dance/


Trademark being the relevant word.

Yes, this link gives the name. Thanks. Michael liked it so much he wanted to learn it and eventually turned it into the dance we know today.

[daniel green]

12:30 PM ET -- And that's it. The hearing on the safe harbor petition has been postponed to a later date.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0PV1t88Ez

[GentleBreeze]

http://midnightman84.wordpress.com/2009/01/11/the-origins-of-michael-jacksons-trademark-moonwalk-dance/


Trademark being the relevant word.

Michael made it look so magical.......like an illusion that is why the moonwalk will always be the dance that MJ did.

I hadn't even remembered that anyone even tried to dance this way before him. I learned that while reading this board after he passed away.

imo

[?WudScoobyDo]

I am sure that in the 20's Bill Robinson wasn't thinking of trademarking the Moonwalk. I those days black performers were paid little and as successful as he was Bill Robinson died penniless.

When did he die?

[Cindylee]

Long before his time. Many black performers. Most of MJ's moves came from these dancers from the 1920's and 30's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxZcLWAmdco

That was great. Thank you.

[tiptop]

http://midnightman84.wordpress.com/2009/01/11/the-origins-of-michael-jacksons-trademark-moonwalk-dance/


Trademark being the relevant word.

In this case, I think its more of a general word used to describe a distinct characteristic of MJ more so than a legal term to describe specific possession.

[RootBeer]

Very interesting. I would be afraid of the munchies and turning into a rolly polly.:biggrin:

Did MJ get the muchies, binge out on candy and goodies, and then purge?

[Cindylee]

Cops Descend on Dr. Klein's Block
Posted Aug 28th 2009 11:00AM by TMZ Staff

It looked like a major development in Michael Jackson's death ... A few minutes ago, a Beverly Hills Crime Lab truck pulls up near Dr. Arnold Klein's building. A short time later, a Beverly Hills patrol car arrives



Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0PUygTb4d


But at the end of the article is says they went to breakfast. :laugh:

"Did the other shoe drop? Have cops made their move? Nope. The nearby Roxbury Cafe has delicious breakfast burritos.

Hey, everyone's gotta eat."

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0PV3WXjOW

[?WudScoobyDo]

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Something else MJ lacked.........a conscious. imo


Evidently he wasn't alone.

imo...of course.

[?WudScoobyDo]

Did MJ get the muchies, binge out on candy and goodies, and then purge?


I can't imagine he smoked anything a lot, due to the effect it might have on his voice. Perhaps he used a vaporizer. Which probably causes the munchies too.

[?WudScoobyDo]

11/25/1949

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Robinson


Well before MJ was born, so if the dear man died penniless it sure wasnt because Michael "stole his moonwalk".

[Cindylee]

Don't they have donuts??? :lol:

I don't think so in Beverly Hills. :laugh:

[flipflop]

ok, I think an hour is up. Where is that report?? :smile:

[?WudScoobyDo]

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Yeah the entire jackson clan. imo


I'm sure there are a few more out there not related to Jackson.
:glare:

[?WudScoobyDo]

Gosh, not even a Krispy Kreme. What's a cop to do in BH? Maybe a Dunkin Donuts?


I ate two in a row once, and I swear I started sweating and getting dizzy. Never again, I tell ya.

[retiredcop]

Strange that once MJ did the moonwalk it would forever be known as his. There is the moonwalk and then there is the moonwalk performed by one of the most dynamic dancers of our time.....Michael Jackson.

His ability to put his own touches on it completely wiped out everyone else that had done it before him.

And Fred Astair thought Michael Jackson was a fabulous dancer.

imo

Those black dancers back in the 20s and 30s you see on the "you tube" video didn't have a chance to showcase their moves to the world. Remember segregation and Jim Crow?

So that is why you have to search to see where the moves really come from.

Mr Jackson took those marvelous moves (not just the moonwalk but all the moves) and made them his own world wide.

He got those moves from dancers way before him.

in my opinion

[?WudScoobyDo]

----------------

yeah...........everyone that surrounded him. imo

I think we understand each other, no need to continue baiting me. Want me to send you the video link to watch while we wait for the report?

[Cindylee]

Gosh, not even a Krispy Kreme. What's a cop to do in BH? Maybe a Dunkin Donuts?

Breakfast Burritos. :laugh:

[?WudScoobyDo]

Those black dancers back in the 20s and 30s you see on the "you tube" video didn't have a chance to showcase their moves to the world. Remember segregation and Jim Crow?

So that is why you have to search to see where the moves really come from.

Mr Jackson took those marvelous moves (not just the moonwalk but all the moves) and made them his own world wide.

He got those moves from dancers way before him.

in my opinion


Then he should be commended for carrying on that legacy, as well as the money he donated to various black causes.

[Cindylee]

Those black dancers back in the 20s and 30s you see on the "you tube" video didn't have a chance to showcase their moves to the world. Remember segregation and Jim Crow?

So that is why you have to search to see where the moves really come from.

Mr Jackson took those marvelous moves (not just the moonwalk but all the moves) and made them his own world wide.

He got those moves from dancers way before him.

in my opinion

Segregation and no MTV.

[GentleBreeze]

Those black dancers back in the 20s and 30s you see on the "you tube" video didn't have a chance to showcase their moves to the world. Remember segregation and Jim Crow?

So that is why you have to search to see where the moves really come from.

Mr Jackson took those marvelous moves (not just the moonwalk but all the moves) and made them his own world wide.

He got those moves from dancers way before him.

in my opinion

If truth be known there were probably other entertainers that swiveled their hips before Elvis did but he is the only one that is remembered for it.

Imo, there is the moonwalk and then there is the moonwalk done by MJ with his style and flair and that is why when the vast majority hears that word they will always think of Michael Jackson.

imo

[?WudScoobyDo]

Segregation and no MTV.

Yes, MTV. Where MJ opened the door to all black artists.

[Cindylee]

Then he should be commended for carrying on that legacy, as well as the money he donated to various black causes.

I love tap, and it is a dying art, and I think it is great that he carried on with that style of dance. I guess it just would have been nice if he had acknowledged the wonderful dancers that originated the style. Maybe he did, I don't know. :shrug:

[Firehead11]

I hope they release something soon, it is getting rathering boring watching the debate back and forth about the moonwalk. Shall we all look up tap dancing? I am sure someone did it before Gregory Hines or Smmy or....

[?WudScoobyDo]

I love tap, and it is a dying art, and I think it is great that he carried on with that style of dance. I guess it just would have been nice if he had acknowledged the wonderful dancers that originated the style. Maybe he did, I don't know. :shrug:


None of us here have heard every interview, dedication..or other time Michael spoke during his life. Its possible he did acknowledge it and you just missed it.

[Cindylee]

I hope they release something soon, it is getting rathering boring watching the debate back and forth about the moonwalk. Shall we all look up tap dancing? I am sure someone did it before Gregory Hines or Smmy or....

Ha. I just checked TMZ and nothing yet.

[tiptop]

I hope they release something soon, it is getting rathering boring watching the debate back and forth about the moonwalk. Shall we all look up tap dancing? I am sure someone did it before Gregory Hines or Smmy or....

Wanna doughnut? :biggrin:

[Cindylee]

None of us here have heard every interview, dedication..or other time Michael spoke during his life. Its possible he did acknowledge it and you just missed it.

That is why I said, "maybe he did, I don't know."

[Cindylee]

Wanna doughnut? :biggrin::laugh:...

[?WudScoobyDo]

That is why I said, "maybe he did, I don't know."

Good point!

[retiredcop]

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0PV1t88Ez

There is something wrong with this judge that he doesn't make a ruling. Not enough nerve no doubt.

in my opinion

[?WudScoobyDo]

--------------

Commended for stealing someone else's work? <eyeroll> surely u must be kidding. imo


Link to a report he stole someone elses work please.

[Firehead11]

Ha. I just checked TMZ and nothing yet.

So did I.

I think every great dancer, takes a little something from what they have seen and makes it their own. We can all compare Gene Kelly, Fred Astaire, Ginger Rodgers...and find one step that has been done before prior to anyone of them doing it.

And no, no donuts, I might be having ice cream real soon. :thumbsup:

[Firehead11]

Link to a report he stole someone elses work please.

No offense but why do you bother?

Someone is baiting. Use iggy.

[?WudScoobyDo]

There is something wrong with this judge that he doesn't make a ruling. Not enough nerve no doubt.

in my opinion

The wheels of justice turn slowly, my friend.

[tiptop]

So did I.

I think every great dancer, takes a little something from what they have seen and makes it their own. We can all compare Gene Kelly, Fred Astaire, Ginger Rodgers...and find one step that has been done before prior to anyone of them doing it.

And no, no donuts, I might be having ice cream real soon. :thumbsup:

It's been said Astaire wanted to meet Michael and did. He wanted to commend Michael on his fabulous dancing.

[?WudScoobyDo]

No offense but why do you bother?

Someone is baiting. Use iggy.

I ask myself why I don't all the time.

[Poochie Pie]

I ate two in a row once, and I swear I started sweating and getting dizzy. Never again, I tell ya. They're EVIL... Just purely evil.. :laugh: I won't even go down the Krispy Kreme aisle in Kroger..

Poochie

[retiredcop]

If truth be known there were probably other entertainers that swiveled their hips before Elvis did but he is the only one that is remembered for it.

Imo, there is the moonwalk and then there is the moonwalk done by MJ with his style and flair and that is why when the vast majority hears that word they will always think of Michael Jackson.

imo

Good try with the spin. The moonwalk is not Mr Jackson's invention period. Elvis always said he enjoyed and learned from black music and entertainers. He never covered anything up. With his talent he didn't have too.

in my opinion

[?WudScoobyDo]

So did I.

I think every great dancer, takes a little something from what they have seen and makes it their own. We can all compare Gene Kelly, Fred Astaire, Ginger Rodgers...and find one step that has been done before prior to anyone of them doing it.

And no, no donuts, I might be having ice cream real soon. :thumbsup:

My daughter woke up this morning, headed straight to the freezer and back to bed with the carton of Dreyers.

[?WudScoobyDo]

They're EVIL... Just purely evil.. :laugh:

Poochie

They must be cause I felt like *heck* afterwords.

[Firehead11]

It's been said Astaire wanted to meet Michael and did. He wanted to commend Michael on his fabulous dancing.


Dancers like Astaire, Kelly, Jackson to name a few make everything look so smooth. This bump and grind stuff today makes me ill.

[GentleBreeze]

http://showbiz411.blogs.thr.com/michael-jackson-kenny-ortega-jacko/

The word is that everyone is very happy with what they’re seeing.

Most importantly, they do say that we’ll see Michael giving cogent instructions to dancers and singers, and interacting with his crew and cast. This should end once and for all the accusations that Jackson was out of it to perform, or to do the shows in London.

Meanwhile, no one knows why the police investigation into Jackson’s death is taking so long. Many people close to Jackson right before his death still have not been interviewed by the police. Nevertheless, one Jackson intimate has been very much in touch with the police, and is warning friends that something “big” and “dangerous” is about to happen.

[?WudScoobyDo]

http://showbiz411.blogs.thr.com/michael-jackson-kenny-ortega-jacko/

The word is that everyone is very happy with what they’re seeing.

Most importantly, they do say that we’ll see Michael giving cogent instructions to dancers and singers, and interacting with his crew and cast. This should end once and for all the accusations that Jackson was out of it to perform, or to do the shows in London.

Meanwhile, no one knows why the police investigation into Jackson’s death is taking so long. Many people close to Jackson right before his death still have not been interviewed by the police. Nevertheless, one Jackson intimate has been very much in touch with the police, and is warning friends that something “big” and “dangerous” is about to happen.


Much bigger and much more dangerous than what we expected I'm betting.

[GentleBreeze]

Dancers like Astaire, Kelly, Jackson to name a few make everything look so smooth. This bump and grind stuff today makes me ill.

That is why they make their special marks. Because they were the best.

imo

[tiptop]

Dancers like Astaire, Kelly, Jackson to name a few make everything look so smooth. This bump and grind stuff today makes me ill.

Hee-hee, well --- the ole bump and grind is ok sometimes.

[GentleBreeze]

Those black dancers back in the 20s and 30s you see on the "you tube" video didn't have a chance to showcase their moves to the world. Remember segregation and Jim Crow?

So that is why you have to search to see where the moves really come from.

Mr Jackson took those marvelous moves (not just the moonwalk but all the moves) and made them his own world wide.

He got those moves from dancers way before him.

in my opinion

Yes, finally MJ was able to break the color barrier on MTV.

[GentleBreeze]

Much bigger and much more dangerous than what we expected I'm betting.

I wonder if some of these people have lawyered up and are refusing to speak with LE?

imo

[?WudScoobyDo]

I wonder if some of these people have lawyered up and are refusing to speak with LE?

imo

Did you read in the warrant where Dr. Murray left the hospital against the Police detectives objections?

[retiredcop]

Yes, finally MJ was able to break the color barrier on MTV.

What shade was his skin then? I don't remember.

in my opinion

[GentleBreeze]

What shade was his skin then? I don't remember.

in my opinion

Why would you ask that? He has always been known as a black man.

imo

[?WudScoobyDo]

----------------------

lol I dont remember Elvis changing the color of his skin.....ever.
imo

Maybe you can start an elvis forum, this one is for MJ. TIA

[?WudScoobyDo]

Why would you ask that? He has always been known as a black man.

imo


Funny that every drug in the "rented" home can be remembered, but not the color of his skin.

[retiredcop]

Did you read in the warrant where Dr. Murray left the hospital against the Police detectives objections?

Well, he did talk with the police. He answered what they asked. Was he under arrest? If he wasn't he could leave. How exactly did the police object?

in my opinion

[retiredcop]

Funny that every drug in the "rented" home can be remembered, but not the color of his skin.

Have you seen the many faces of Mr Jackson. Interesting.

in my opinion

[?WudScoobyDo]

Well, he did talk with the police. He answered what they asked. Was he under arrest? If he wasn't he could leave. How exactly did the police object?

in my opinion

I wasn't there, I'm just relying on the info as stated in the sworn affidavit. Apparently the detective thought it worth mentioning in his statement.

[Firehead11]

Hee-hee, well --- the ole bump and grind is ok sometimes.


Not THAT bump and grind..... and it depends if one is in the middle of a hot flash....
:tonguewag:

[?WudScoobyDo]

Have you seen the many faces of Mr Jackson. Interesting.

in my opinion

I could look at MJ's picture and *video* all day long and not get tired of it. What I find more interesting is the negative obsession about it.

[daniel green]

If you love tap, watch this. Gregory Hines with the old masters of Tap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNhJzZHZG0E

My husband and I saw him with Savion Glover (sp) for a night of dance at Duke during their summer dance series, years ago, and they were riveting. Absolutely spectacular.

[daniel green]

Looks like coroner is coming on to talk.

Nope--the reporters were given written copies.

[lilismom]

acute propofol intoxication - homicide.

www.tmz.com

imo,
lilismom

[daniel green]

The L.A. County Coroner has just officially announced the cause of Michael Jackson's death -- Acute Propofol intoxication.

The report says "other conditions contributing to death: Benzodiazepine effect.


The manner of death is ruled: "HOMICIDE."

The Coroner did not release the full autopsy report -- just a press notice. It goes on:

"The drugs PROPOFOL and LORAZEPAM were found to be the primary drugs responsible for Mr. Jackson's death. Other drugs detected were: Midazolam, Diazepam, Lidocaine and Ephedrine.

The final Coroner's report, including the toxicology report, will remain on security, per the LAPD.


Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/28/michael-jackson-coroner-report/#ixzz0PVKv1MLm

[daniel green]

"Other conditions contributing to the death: Benzodiazipan effect"

[?WudScoobyDo]

Now that its official, Michael Jackson was a victim of homicide, I wonder if he will get the respect equal to every other homicide victim discussed on IS boards, or if he will be the exception to the "no bashing the victim" rule.

[Cindylee]

If you love tap, watch this. Gregory Hines with the old masters of Tap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNhJzZHZG0E

Oh thank you. They were wonderful. Great.:thumbsup:

[daniel green]

Propofol and diazepan were found to have caused the death as per ET live feed.

Cororner and LAPD will not be making comments or answering questions.

[Firehead11]

Although I expected it, I am still stunned. Now it is official.

[?WudScoobyDo]

The L.A. County Coroner has just officially announced the cause of Michael Jackson's death -- Acute Propofol intoxication

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0PVNSVjLm

[Rayosunshine]

Crow coming off the pit in 15 minutes, line up - you know who you are!

[daniel green]

The Coroner did not release the full autopsy report -- just a press notice. It goes on:

The drugs PROPOFOL and LORAZEPAM (Ativan) were found to be the primary drugs responsible for Mr. Jackson's death.

Other drugs detected were: Midazolam (Versed), Diazepam (Valium), Lidocaine (topical anesthetic) and Ephedrine (used to treat hypotension associated with anesthesia).

The final Coroner's report, including the toxicology report, will remain on security hold, per the LAPD.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0PVNk7SKH

[Roxxanne]

Although I expected it, I am still stunned. Now it is official.

Me too Fire. It's making me cry all over again!

[lilismom]

Propofol and diazepan were found to have caused the death as per ET live feed.

Cororner and LAPD will not be making comments or answering questions.


Per TMZ:

"The drugs PROPOFOL and LORAZEPAM (Ativan) were found to be the primary drugs responsible for Mr. Jackson's death."

I'm not sure that it matters now, but I would like to know the levels of each.

IMO,
Lilismom

[?WudScoobyDo]

Although I expected it, I am still stunned. Now it is official.

Is today or tomorrow his birthday? At least some justice is coming his way.

[daniel green]

I hate we don't know, and might never know, the results of the toxicology report.

[Rayosunshine]

Propofol and diazepan were found to have caused the death as per ET live feed.

Cororner and LAPD will not be making comments or answering questions.


I think I heard, "acute Propofol intoxication, plus diazepines. There you have it. Now I am really going to go get the cross out of the shed.

[?WudScoobyDo]

Me too Fire. It's making me cry all over again!




(((((Roxxanne))))) <----- hug for you from me

[daniel green]

Unperson--it appears that Murray administered ephedrine to start MJ's heart.

[Roxxanne]

Is today or tomorrow his birthday? At least some justice is coming his way.


Birthday tomorrow.:sad:

[Rayosunshine]

I hate we don't know, and might never know, the results of the toxicology report.

Why would you need it at this time. The statement was clear. It would mean that the levels were off the charts! Too much is too much, no matter how much too much it is.

[daniel green]

I was watching the ET live feed, and they showed the actual short police written statement.

[lilismom]

Me too Fire. It's making me cry all over again!

So very sad. He basically suffocated? What a horrible way to die. I hope he was at least, finally, asleep when it happened.

IMO,
Lilismom

[Firehead11]

Is today or tomorrow his birthday? At least some justice is coming his way.


Tomorrow. :crying:

[daniel green]

Why would you need it at this time. snipped.

Oh, goodness, I certainly don't need it. :huh: But having followed the story thus far, it would be interesting to know what all was found in the tox report.

[Cindylee]

Unperson--it appears that Murray administered ephedrine to start MJ's heart.

I don't think that would have done a thing, (obviously didn't) He needed to intubate him. He needed to get him breathing.

[?WudScoobyDo]

Why would you need it at this time. The statement was clear. It would mean that the levels were off the charts! Too much is too much, no matter how much too much it is.


To pick apart in an attempt to justify it probably.

imo...of course.

[Roxxanne]

(((((Roxxanne))))) <----- hug for you from me

Thank you so much, I needed it!

[daniel green]

So very sad. He basically suffocated? snipped

No, there is no suffocation.

[Rayosunshine]

So very sad. He basically suffocated? What a horrible way to die. I hope he was at least, finally, asleep when it happened.

IMO,
Lilismom

And, no one was competent enough to know what to do! I only hope he was anesthetized deep enough that he did not suffer.

[Firehead11]

I would imagine that sometime in the future, we will know IF a trial happens with any of the doctors.

[?WudScoobyDo]

No, there is so suffocation.

I suppose when the lethal drug stops the breathing process, it could reasonably be interpretated as suffocation.

imo...of course.

[lilismom]

To pick apart in an attempt to justify it probably.

imo...of course.

Speaking for myself only...I would like to know how much over the .25 mg of Propofol Murray claimed he gave MJ it actually was. Is it even possilble to tell? Just how careless/reckless was he?

IMO,
Lilismom

[Rayosunshine]

No, there is so suffocation.

No he didn't suffocate, actually he became apneic, causing the co2 to rise steadly resulting in a cascade of metabolic events that caused him to DIE. Better known as a "curve", a very very sharp one for which there is no return.

[Cindylee]

So very sad. He basically suffocated? What a horrible way to die. I hope he was at least, finally, asleep when it happened.

IMO,
Lilismom

I don't think it is the same as suffocation....I think you just stop breathing, and then your heart stops. :shrug: I think.

[?WudScoobyDo]

And, no one was competent enough to know what to do! I only hope he was anesthetized deep enough that he did not suffer.

I bet he was so anesthesized, he was dead before begging for the propofol, as stated by Murray.

[Rayosunshine]

I suppose when the lethal drug stops the breathing process, it could reasonably be interpretated as suffocation.

imo...of course.

I think you are right, suffocation, apnea, suffocation, apnea, DEAD. End result is the same, why not consider it the same thing?

[lilismom]

I don't think it is the same as suffocation....I think you just stop breathing, and then your heart stops. :shrug: I think.

Ok. A lethal injection nonetheless. :(

IMO,
Lilismom

[impartial]

Yes, MTV. Where MJ opened the door to all black artists.


Well scoob, I think we may have another disagreement. Lionel Ritchie had been around for a long time before the MTV explosion of the 80's. Marvin Gaye, Gladys Knight, Dianna Ross, Smokey Robinson, Eisley Brothers, Temptations, Four Tops ... just to name a few huge artists before MJ.

Prince released his 1999 album in 1982, and the likes of Little Red Corvette played on MTV. The Thriller album was released that same year ... but he didn't debut his moonwalk until the 1983 Motown special.


:wink:

[Rayosunshine]

Any wagers on how long it will be before anyone is arrested? I mean it is a homicide, they wouldn't just ended it now?

I wonder what Dr. Murray is doing right now? I would love to be a fly on the wall.

[daniel green]

The Los Angeles County coroner's office officially ruled the death of Michael Jackson a homicide and said he died of "acute propofol intoxication."

According to a statement from the coroner: The "manner of death has been ruled homicide. Cause of death was established as acute propofol intoxication. Other conditions contributing to death: benzodiazepine. The drugs propofol and Lorazepam were found to be the primary drugs responsible for Mr. Jackson’s death. Other drugs detected were midazolam, diazepam, lidocaine, and ephedrine. The final coroner’s report includes a complete toxicology report will that remain on security hold at the request of the Los Angeles police department and the Los Angeles County District Attorney’s Office"

Homicide refers to a death at the hand of another person, but does not necessarily translate to criminal charges.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/08/michael-jackson-3.html

[?WudScoobyDo]

Speaking for myself only...I would like to know how much over the .25 mg of Propofol Murray claimed he gave MJ it actually was. Is it even possilble to tell? Just how careless/reckless was he?

IMO,
Lilismom

Reckless enough to call MJ a victim of homicide, instead of suicidal drug addict.

[daniel green]

No he didn't suffocate, actually he became apneic, causing the co2 to rise steadly resulting in a cascade of metabolic events that caused him to DIE. Better known as a "curve", a very very sharp one for which there is no return.

Probly so.

The benzodazipin effect the cororner talks about had to have him very sedated, as well.

But, you are right, not at all like suffocation.

[?WudScoobyDo]

Well scoob, I think we may have another disagreement. Lionel Ritchie had been around for a long time before the MTV explosion of the 80's. Marvin Gaye, Gladys Knight, Dianna Ross, Smokey Robinson, Eisley Brothers, Temptations, Four Tops ... just to name a few huge artists before MJ.

Prince released his 1999 album in 1982, and the likes of Little Red Corvette played on MTV. The Thriller album was released that same year ... but he didn't debut his moonwalk until the 1983 Motown special.


:wink:

You're right. I meant to say opened the door for black artists to appear on MTV.

[Firehead11]

Any wagers on how long it will be before anyone is arrested? I mean it is a homicide, they wouldn't just ended it now?

I wonder what Dr. Murray is doing right now? I would love to be a fly on the wall.


I was hoping that it was happening at the same time, coroner findings and arrest.

[Rayosunshine]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/08/michael-jackson-3.html

How interesting that the ONLY drugs "detected" were the ones that Dr. Murray administered! So maybe MJ didn't take something and not tell the dear, dear Dr. Sick, Sick, Sick. What a day for the medical profession, I think I may have to hide under a rock, since this is so embarrassing.

[?WudScoobyDo]

I think you are right, suffocation, apnea, suffocation, apnea, DEAD. End result is the same, why not consider it the same thing?


Thank you. Seems logical to me.

[?WudScoobyDo]

Rayosunshine, I know that you, Lyndawithay and I won't be partaking in your delicate delight. I won't gloat but have some bargeque sauce ready to kill the taste of the crow for those who will be partaking.


I bet they claim they just started a new diet.
:ohmy:

[daniel green]

This sure has all the signs of the doc dump on a busy Friday afternoon I talked about yesterday.

This is all CNN has:

The Los Angeles County coroner has ruled that Michael Jackson's death was a homicide. Michael Jackson was found dead on June 25. He had been preparing for a comeback concert series in London.

The coroner concluded that Jackson died from "acute propofol intoxication," a statement from the coroner's office said.

"Other conditions contributing to death: benzodiazepine effect," the statement said.

The coroner announced two weeks ago that he had completed the autopsy report but would withhold the conclusions at the request of the Los Angeles Police Department, which has been conducting a criminal investigation of the pop singer's June 25 death.

And the AP has less than that.

[Rayosunshine]

Rayosunshine, I know that you, Lyndawithay and I won't be partaking in your delicate delight. I won't gloat but have some bargeque sauce ready to kill the taste of the crow for those who will be partaking.

Oh no, dude, it's filet mignon for me and lyndawithay. Where is the "cop", is he/she hiding?

Can you believe the drugs "detected" were only the ones Murray administered? So maybe Michael didn't take anything and not tell the doc, as some have suspected. How long you think before an arrest?

p.s. the crow is guaranteed to be buck shot free!

[daniel green]

How interesting that the ONLY drugs "detected" were the ones that Dr. Murray administered! snipped.

We don't know that. The coroner states very clearly in this press release, that they are not releasing the results of the tox report.

[lilismom]

Probly so.

The benzodazipin effect the cororner talks about had to have him very sedated, as well.

But, you are right, not at all like suffocation.



And probably not up in the early morning hours asking for MORE medication.

Bet every defense attorney in the country wants to slap Murray upside the head for locking himself into that timeline of events. Duh.

IMO,
Lilismom

[?WudScoobyDo]

This sure has all the signs of the doc dump on a busy Friday afternoon I talked about yesterday.

This is all CNN has:



And the AP has less than that.


Yes it must be that. Either that or it was seen as the appropriate time to release the findings.

[Rayosunshine]

We don't know that. The coroner states very clearly in this press release, that they are not releasing the results of the tox report.

As far as I read was, "the drugs detected". What I think they aren't releasing is the levels. Don't you think if there were any others it would be on the list, that is, if the levels were high enough to be detected?

[daniel green]

I think you are right, suffocation, apnea, suffocation, apnea, DEAD. End result is the same, why not consider it the same thing?

Because there is no suffocation involved with either propophol or benzos.

[Firehead11]

Oh no, dude, it's filet mignon for me and lyndawithay. Where is the "cop", is he/she hiding?

Can you believe the drugs "detected" were only the ones Murray administered? So maybe Michael didn't take anything and not tell the doc, as some have suspected. How long you think before an arrest?

p.s. the crow is guaranteed to be buck shot free!


I like mine medium well, thank you. And I am not talking about the crow either.

[?WudScoobyDo]

We don't know that. The coroner states very clearly in this press release, that they are not releasing the results of the tox report.


It was also stated VERY CLEARLY that MJ is the VICTIM OF HOMICIDE, not accidental or intentional overdose. Homicide means the death of a victim at the HANDS OF ANOTHER.

[Rayosunshine]

Because there is no suffocation involved with either propophol or benzos.

what is the definition of suffocation?

[GentleBreeze]

How interesting that the ONLY drugs "detected" were the ones that Dr. Murray administered! So maybe MJ didn't take something and not tell the dear, dear Dr. Sick, Sick, Sick. What a day for the medical profession, I think I may have to hide under a rock, since this is so embarrassing.

Yes, where are all those other countless drugs that were supposed to be taken by MJ? You know the ones he was supposed to be taking behind Murray's back according to some opinions?.:rolleyes:

What a tragedy. The Jackson have known it all along since they already had the results of the second autopsy.

imo

[?WudScoobyDo]

what is the definition of suffocation?



suf·fo·cate (sf-kt)
v. suf·fo·cat·ed, suf·fo·cat·ing, suf·fo·cates
v.tr.
1. To kill or destroy by preventing access of air or oxygen.
2. To impair the respiration of; asphyxiate.
3. To cause discomfort to by or as if by cutting off the supply of fresh air.
4. To suppress the development, imagination, or creativity of; stifle: "The rigid formality of the place suffocated her" (Thackeray).
v.intr.
1. To die from lack of air or oxygen; be asphyxiated.
2. To feel discomfort from lack of fresh air.
3. To become or feel suppressed; be stifled.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[lilismom]

what is the definition of suffocation?

Boy am I sorry I said the word suffocation. :chicken:

IMO,
Lilismom

[Rayosunshine]

Like many words, suffocation has many definitions:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffocation

Be sure to read way down where causes are listed.

[impartial]

This sure has all the signs of the doc dump on a busy Friday afternoon I talked about yesterday.

This is all CNN has:



And the AP has less than that.


The coroner concluded that Jackson died from "acute propofol intoxication," a statement from the coroner's office said.

"Other conditions contributing to death: benzodiazepine effect," the statement said.


Primary cause, acute intoxication; contributing factors benzodiazepine effect ... basically saying the combination resulted in his death. Similar to Anna Nicole and Heath Ledger.

Wonder why they're not releasing the tox report.

[Rayosunshine]

Boy am I sorry I said the word suffocation. :chicken:

IMO,
Lilismom

is okay, you actually used perfectly fine terminology.

[?WudScoobyDo]

Yes -- and now LaToya's statement makes perfect sense when she said "I believe everyone will be suprised."

It was reported that MJ was trying to get clean for the concerts. I guess people didn't want him clean, they wanted him dead.

imo...of course.

[retiredcop]

Oh no, dude, it's filet mignon for me and lyndawithay. Where is the "cop", is he/she hiding?

Can you believe the drugs "detected" were only the ones Murray administered? So maybe Michael didn't take anything and not tell the doc, as some have suspected. How long you think before an arrest?

p.s. the crow is guaranteed to be buck shot free!

Much too soon for celebrating. The tox report hasn't been released and no one is arrested. Many posts were made by everyone that were totally wrong. I still think it is an accidental overdose and am disgusted with this ruling. I believe it was only done because of this particular addict's celebrity. Good luck on proving this in trial if an arrest is ever made.

in my opinion

[?WudScoobyDo]

Much too soon for celebrating. The tox report hasn't been released and no one is arrested. Many posts were made by everyone that were totally wrong. I still think it is an accidental overdose and am disgusted with this ruling. I believe it was only done because of this particular addict's celebrity. Good luck on proving this in trial if an arrest is ever made.

in my opinion

I've seen a handful of people celebrating the homicide of Michael Jackson, and RayofSunshine wasn't one of them.

Would you like Dr. Lakeshamin (sp) address so you can send off a letter stating your disgust and disapproval?

[lilismom]

It was reported that MJ was trying to get clean for the concerts. I guess people didn't want him clean, they wanted him dead.

imo...of course.

Hmm.

Anyone have/know the list of possible charges for THIS homicide?

IMO,
Lilismom

[GentleBreeze]

Yes -- and now LaToya's statement makes perfect sense when she said "I believe everyone will be surprised."

I am just sooooo angry.:cursing: This POS, I cant even call him a doctor, robbed three children of their father and a chance to ever see him perform in a concert.

I always felt that Michael was trying to do everything Murray told him to do. Imo, he took only the drugs that CM personally gave him. Too many people around MJ before he died said he was getting his life back on track.:sad:

imo

[Rayosunshine]

Much too soon for celebrating. The tox report hasn't been released and no one is arrested. Many posts were made by everyone that were totally wrong. I still think it is an accidental overdose and am disgusted with this ruling. I believe it was only done because of this particular addict's celebrity. Good luck on proving this in trial if an arrest is ever made.

in my opinion

I think the statement said something to the effect that the tox report was going to be sealed? So, I don't think it will be released, at least not until the case goes to court.

There was nothing accidental about the acute propofol intoxication - if the security guard had given it to Michael, maybe due to a lack of knowledge, but never in Dr. Murray's case. His responsibility lies in knowing the potential danger of using this substance outside the limits it was intended for.

Do you really think the coronor is lying because Michael is a celebrity? I think not. Dr. Murry, yes, Coroner, no.

[Rayosunshine]

RetiredCop and Daniel Green, please don't take offense when I counter you. It is so good to have a good debate. What a bore it would be if we all agreed: yeah, uhum, yep, etc.

[retiredcop]

The coroner concluded that Jackson died from "acute propofol intoxication," a statement from the coroner's office said.

"Other conditions contributing to death: benzodiazepine effect," the statement said.


Primary cause, acute intoxication; contributing factors benzodiazepine effect ... basically saying the combination resulted in his death. Similar to Anna Nicole and Heath Ledger.

Wonder why they're not releasing the tox report.

I wonder also. Sure would like to see what all was in his system.

Homicide means he died at the hands of another, but does not mean there will be charges.

in my opinion

[retiredcop]

ANS and HL "accidentally overdosed" on a combo of prescription drugs.

The Doctor administered the benzos in MJ's case thus "homicide". Acute propofol intoxication is THE cause of the death.

But the drugs in the ANS case were in Stern's name and shouldn't have been in her system.

in my opinion

[?WudScoobyDo]

I wonder also. Sure would like to see what all was in his system.

Homicide means he died at the hands of another, but does not mean there will be charges.

in my opinion


In no charges are filed, it will be considered racial discrimination, in that its okay to kill a man so long as he is of black origin.

imo..of course.

[?WudScoobyDo]

But the drugs in the ANS case were in Stern's name and shouldn't have been in her system.

in my opinion

Were you aware that both HKS and the doctor are awaiting trial?

[retiredcop]

In no charges are filed, it will be considered racial discrimination.

imo..of course.

How do you figure that? Mr Jackson and the Dr are both black.

in my opinion

[retiredcop]

Were you aware that both HKS and the doctor are awaiting trial?

Of course. For drug charges. Not for manslaughter in Florida though.

in my opinion

[impartial]

I think the statement said something to the effect that the tox report was going to be sealed? So, I don't think it will be released, at least not until the case goes to court.

There was nothing accidental about the acute propofol intoxication - if the security guard had given it to Michael, maybe due to a lack of knowledge, but never in Dr. Murray's case. His responsibility lies in knowing the potential danger of using this substance outside the limits it was intended for.

Do you really think the coronor is lying because Michael is a celebrity? I think not. Dr. Murry, yes, Coroner, no.


Accidental overdose would be where the dosage was inadvertently incorrect ... ie desiring to administer 25 mgs and inadvertently gave 50 mgs.

Acute intoxication doesn't necessarily mean that more than 25 mgs was given, which is an appropriate dosage. The synergistic effects of the combination of the drugs contributed to his death ... the benz. drugs increased the effects of the diprivan.

So, since all of the medication was actually intended to be given, it couldn't be labeled as an accidental overdose. But, the end result wasn't intended ... and that's where the DA has to make a decision about whether to file charges. If the tox. report reveals that 25 mgs was the dosage administered, since MJ had a history of tolerating 50 mgs, it's not as easy of a case as you may think.

imo

[?WudScoobyDo]

Of course. For drug charges. Not for manslaughter in Florida though.

in my opinion


Thats because it wasn't manslaughter. In MJ's case it most definately is.

[lilismom]

I wonder also. Sure would like to see what all was in his system.

Homicide means he died at the hands of another, but does not mean there will be charges.

in my opinion

So sad if that's true. He's dead and there may be no one held responsible?

Do you happen to know the list of possible charges?

If I'm on this jury, if it comes to it, I would have to know how much OVER that .25 he gave MJ if they can tell and at trial they would know. And even then, I dunno, they were doing this nightly for weeks. Murray had a duty to MJ and to himself to at the very least research the drugs he was giving MJ if he was going to be the one to do it. Some will say well, MJ was gonna do it anyway. Maybe. Obviously he couldn't do it to himself. It has now been ruled a homicide by propofol basically and Murray admits to giving it to him. He only admits to .25 mg THAT night/morning, however. How much do you have to have been given for it to be considered "intoxication"?

IMO,
Lilismom

[?WudScoobyDo]

Accidental overdose would be where the dosage was inadvertently incorrect ... ie desiring to administer 25 mgs and inadvertently gave 50 mgs.

Acute intoxication doesn't necessarily mean that more than 25 mgs was given, which is an appropriate dosage. The synergistic effects of the combination of the drugs contributed to his death ... the benz. drugs increased the effects of the diprivan.

So, since all of the medication was actually intended to be given, it couldn't be labeled as an accidental overdose. But, the end result wasn't intended ... and that's where the DA has to make a decision about whether to file charges. If the tox. report reveals that 25 mgs was the dosage administered, since MJ had a history of tolerating 50 mgs, it's not as easy of a case as you may think.

imo

I think the only decisions left to be made are will it be 2nd degree, or manslaughter, and how many will be charged.

*hope the smoke isnt getting to you..or the heat. I want to go sit in the freezer.

[Firehead11]

Accidental overdose would be where the dosage was inadvertently incorrect ... ie desiring to administer 25 mgs and inadvertently gave 50 mgs.

Acute intoxication doesn't necessarily mean that more than 25 mgs was given, which is an appropriate dosage. The synergistic effects of the combination of the drugs contributed to his death ... the benz. drugs increased the effects of the diprivan.

So, since all of the medication was actually intended to be given, it couldn't be labeled as an accidental overdose. But, the end result wasn't intended ... and that's where the DA has to make a decision about whether to file charges. If the tox. report reveals that 25 mgs was the dosage administered, since MJ had a history of tolerating 50 mgs, it's not as easy of a case as you may think.

imo

Doesn't your hinky meter go off with that? I bolded the area of my concern. Who said that MJ had a history of tolerating 50 mg? Murray? What happens if the other doctors reports come out that they have actually given MJ less that that?

[retiredcop]

Now it's being reported on Fox none of this information should have been released. LAPD forgot to renew the search warrant be sealed in Texas and that was why it was released. That sealing had to be renewed every 30 days. That is why the coroner released his statement today. It was also said the coroner and the police have known this information for three and a half weeks and have met about it. No arrests have been made and none are in the works.

in my opinion

[impartial]

I think the only decisions left to be made are will it be 2nd degree, or manslaughter, and how many will be charged.

*hope the smoke isnt getting to you..or the heat. I want to go sit in the freezer.


Smoke isn't bad here, but it is hot ... doesn't feel as hot as yesterday, yet.

The one huge thing the DA has in it's favor is the venue ... Central LA.

[?WudScoobyDo]

Now it's being reported on Fox none of this information should have been released. LAPD forgot to renew the search warrant be sealed in Texas and that was why it was released. That sealing had to be renewed every 30 days. That is why the coroner released his statement today. It was also said the coroner and the police have known this information for three and a half weeks and have met about it. No arrests have been made and none are in the works.

in my opinion

You have to be patient cop. We want them to do a good job on this one. Rest assured.. there will be people brought to justice to answer for this homicide.

[retiredcop]

Accidental overdose would be where the dosage was inadvertently incorrect ... ie desiring to administer 25 mgs and inadvertently gave 50 mgs.

Acute intoxication doesn't necessarily mean that more than 25 mgs was given, which is an appropriate dosage. The synergistic effects of the combination of the drugs contributed to his death ... the benz. drugs increased the effects of the diprivan.

So, since all of the medication was actually intended to be given, it couldn't be labeled as an accidental overdose. But, the end result wasn't intended ... and that's where the DA has to make a decision about whether to file charges. If the tox. report reveals that 25 mgs was the dosage administered, since MJ had a history of tolerating 50 mgs, it's not as easy of a case as you may think.

imo

Also since Mr Jackson had a history of tolerating 50 mg and the Dr gave him 25 mg it would be accidental because he certainly wouldn't think the lower dose would kill him.

in my opinion

[?WudScoobyDo]

Smoke isn't bad here, but it is hot ... doesn't feel as hot as yesterday, yet.

The one huge thing the DA has in it's favor is the venue ... Central LA.

Wouldnt it be in W. LA? Santa Monica?

[?WudScoobyDo]

Also since Mr Jackson had a history of tolerating 50 mg and the Dr gave him 25 mg it would be accidental because he certainly wouldn't think the lower dose would kill him.

in my opinion


It wasn't accidental. It was homicide. That will not change.

[GentleBreeze]

Now it's being reported on Fox none of this information should have been released. LAPD forgot to renew the search warrant be sealed in Texas and that was why it was released. That sealing had to be renewed every 30 days. That is why the coroner released his statement today. It was also said the coroner and the police have known this information for three and a half weeks and have met about it. No arrests have been made and none are in the works.

in my opinion

I didn't hear that none are in the works. They are continuing their investigation.

He said that there are more federal agencies involved.

He said the police, coroner and the DA met 8 days ago.

I can wait. Justice moves slowly sometimes but it still comes.

The reporter said that LE was not worried about Murray being a flight risk as they know where he is.

imo

[impartial]

Doesn't your hinky meter go off with that? I bolded the area of my concern. Who said that MJ had a history of tolerating 50 mg? Murray? What happens if the other doctors reports come out that they have actually given MJ less that that?

Even a history of tolerating 25 mgs could be problematic. For any charges above manslaughter, the will have to prove a wanton disregard for human life. Hard, hard burden where a medical regime had been established by prior doctors, including anesthesiologists, and being continued by Murray.

imo

[Firehead11]

He shouldn't have administered it in the first place -- I think you all are missing that. It is OUTSIDE of standard medical practices -
there is NO medical justification for giving it to MJ.

And it is Murray stating that MJ was use to getting 50mg. I want to see what other doctors administered to MJ. IMO, it has already been proved that Murray lied.

[impartial]

Wouldnt it be in W. LA? Santa Monica?


Depending on which way the wind is blowing. I'm in Laguna, and although it feels like Santa Ana's, the minimal breeze is coming offshore.

[lilismom]

He shouldn't have administered it in the first place -- I think you all are missing that. It is OUTSIDE of standard medical practices -
there is NO medical justification for giving it to MJ.

Ok. What is the punishment and by whom for acting outside the standard of medical practice? The state medical board? Does that add to any potential charges? What if he was found out to be administering Propofol in a home setting and MJ didn't die I guess is what I mean.

IMO,
Lilismom

[GentleBreeze]

It took almost two years to charge Stern and the other doctors in ANS death - so what is your point? The investigation has not been concluded yet.

No it hasn't by a long shot. This thing may be linked from one state to another causing more jurisdictions to be involved. We already have Texas, NV and California in the mix.

I think it is a case where one piece of evidence links to something else.

Out of 2 SWs released do you know which ones that remained sealed? The media said they got the Judge to release two of four.

imo

[?WudScoobyDo]

Depending on which way the wind is blowing. I'm in Laguna, and although it feels like Santa Ana's, the minimal breeze is coming offshore.


hehe.. I meant the fire thats about to heat up under Murray. Wouldn't jurisdiction fall to the W. LA court?

ps..I'm jealous of your ocean breeze.

[impartial]

Ok. What is the punishment and by whom for acting outside the standard of medical practice? The state medical board? Does that add to any potential charges? What if he was found out to be administering Propofol in a home setting and MJ didn't die I guess is what I mean.

IMO,
Lilismom


Board of Medical Quality Assurance. But, they need to know about the activities in order for them to do an investigation ... either a settlement in excess of $30,000 or a complaint filed with their department.

imo

[?WudScoobyDo]

Board of Medical Quality Assurance. But, they need to know about the activities in order for them to do an investigation ... either a settlement in excess of $30,000 or a complaint filed with their department.

imo


Yeah that and anywhere from 0 to twenty years in the state prison system.

[impartial]

hehe.. I meant the fire thats about to heat up under Murray. Wouldn't jurisdiction fall to the W. LA court?

ps..I'm jealous of your ocean breeze.


:blushing: lol


Normally, but when the case is expected to be one that requires larger facilities ... ie OJ case, the DA can file it in Central.

imo

[Unperson1984]

He shouldn't have administered it in the first place -- I think you all are missing that. It is OUTSIDE of standard medical practices -
there is NO medical justification for giving it to MJ.

And no doubt that will make for a good malpractice suit, but it wasn't against the law.

[?WudScoobyDo]

And no doubt that will make for a good malpractice suit, but it wasn't against the law.


I bet you make a good defense attorney. Since when is homicide not against the law. I didn't see anywhere it being a justifiable homicide.

[GentleBreeze]

Didn't look like wigs? LOL Not at all...eyeroll....I often see white, (really black men) walking around with a head full of asian hair........

I love the type of hair he used. It reminds me of Oprah. So natural looking and stylish.

imo

[?WudScoobyDo]

Didn't look like wigs? LOL Not at all...eyeroll....I often see white, (really black men) walking around with a head full of asian hair........

Not to me, especially when he is whipping his head back and forth while he's rocking out, and causing untold numbers of females to faint at his "style". His hair looked gorgeous, wig or not. By the way Michael Jackson is a victim of homicide in case you didn't hear.

[?WudScoobyDo]

I love the type of hair he used. It reminds me of Oprah. So natural looking and stylish.

imo

Yes, the kind one might like to run their fingers through.
:wink:

[GentleBreeze]

Not to me, especially when he is whipping his head back and forth while he's rocking out, and causing untold numbers of females to faint at his "style". His hair looked gorgeous, wig or not. By the way Michael Jackson is a victim of homicide in case you didn't hear.

Did you see the home video of him when MC pushed him off of the high diving board and he was fully clothed and even had his sharp black hat on? LOL! He was wet from head to toe and when he came up out of the water he even shook his head to get the water out of his eyes and his hair was just like anyone else's. Even wet he looked cute.:smile:

imo

[?WudScoobyDo]

Did you see the home video of him when MC pushed him off of the high diving board and he was fully clothed and even had his sharp black hat on? LOL! He was wet from head to toe and when he came up out of the water he even shook his head to get the water out of his eyes and his hair was just like anyone else's. Even wet he looked cute.:smile:

imo


NO!! Where can I find it?

[Unperson1984]

I bet you make a good defense attorney. Since when is homicide not against the law. I didn't see anywhere it being a justifiable homicide.

Of course homicide is against the law, but so far no one has been charged with that crime.

I'm not sure you understand how difficult it is to convict a doctor of homicide in a case in which it is so obviously unintentional by the doctor.

I don't think Cooley will bring charges unless he is very very confident of a conviction, he doesn't want to be another Garcetti. IMO

[?WudScoobyDo]

Of course homicide is against the law, but so far no one has been charged with that crime.

I'm not sure you understand how difficult it is to convict a doctor of homicide in a case in which it is so obviously unintentional by the doctor.

I don't think Cooley will bring charges unless he is very very confident of a conviction, he doesn't want to be another Garcetti. IMO


I know how difficult it is, that doesn't mean we don't charge people with crimes. Murray admitted it. Unintentional or not (and I'm not convinced it was) it was a reckless disregard of human life, in the most extreme sense.

[impartial]

Of course homicide is against the law, but so far no one has been charged with that crime.

I'm not sure you understand how difficult it is to convict a doctor of homicide in a case in which it is so obviously unintentional by the doctor.

I don't think Cooley will bring charges unless he is very very confident of a conviction, he doesn't want to be another Garcetti. IMO


Especially in a case where the medical regime was established by prior doctors.

[Roxxanne]

Did you see the home video of him when MC pushed him off of the high diving board and he was fully clothed and even had his sharp black hat on? LOL! He was wet from head to toe and when he came up out of the water he even shook his head to get the water out of his eyes and his hair was just like anyone else's. Even wet he looked cute.:smile:

imo

I like the one where he says I've showered and washed my hair thoroughly! They push him in anyway.:lol:

[?WudScoobyDo]

The Jackson family just released a statement:

"The Jackson family again wishes to commend the actions of the Coroner, the LAPD and other law enforcement agencies, and looks forward to the day that justice can be served."



Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0PVm7uoM1

[lilismom]

Of course homicide is against the law, but so far no one has been charged with that crime.

I'm not sure you understand how difficult it is to convict a doctor of homicide in a case in which it is so obviously unintentional by the doctor.

I don't think Cooley will bring charges unless he is very very confident of a conviction, he doesn't want to be another Garcetti. IMO


I would like to hear Murray's complete explanation of who he was talking to for 47 minutes since it wasn't 911 and why he was running all over the house and not tending to a what we were initially lead to believe was a dying MJ?

I wonder if they were able to determine an approximate time of death? Did I hear correctly that the room where MJ was found was 90 degrees? In California? In summertime? Wasupwit dat?

IMO,
Lilismom

[Unperson1984]

Unperson``had to edit your quote..dont wish to screw up thread

But it is surely against the law to give medications to someone and allow them to die..especially since a DR. (Conrad) gives it to the victim..lacking proper medical equipment..and surroundings to resuscitate..Dr's are held to much higher standards than laypersons...so in a nutshell..Negligence leading to death by a professional who should know or realize what they are doing could cause death...hummming..could actually reach 2nd degree murder..not that I think that is what will be charged..but for myself as a HC professional..I not only hold him to the standard..but feel disgusted with his wilful disregard for humanlife!!
BTW..I havent changed my tune since I first heard the word "Diprivan"!

LMS

Let me spin a scenario... Prior to hiring Murray, MJ had a trained and Board Certified Anesthesiologist train Murray in the proper out of hospital administration of Diprivan. Add to this scenario the fact that the Anesthesiologist tells Murray that he has given MJ Diprivan many many times without incident, as have other doctors.

Of course this is pure conjecture, but I have a feeling it's not far from the true story.

I haven't heard anyone in LAPD mention anything but manslaughter, and the above scenario could be the reason.

[?WudScoobyDo]

I would think sometime in the near future you could actually own one of your very own. Joe or Jermaine will come out with a line........imo

All I need is a box of Clairol and I'm good to go. But thanks for your concern.