8/28, 8/29, 8/30

[Julie Dupree]

Okay all you moralists. :tonguewag: I'll buy it and send a copy to you for the low, low price of $9.99. But wait! There's more! I will throw in a anatomically correct chart of where George's vital organs *should be* and a replica handbag that houses them now. If you act now, you will also receive the Mexican Jumping Bean that has acted as Cindy's character for the last 51 years. (Plus Shipping and Handling charges.:sneaky:)

Can I get just the replica handbag without the vital organs and no Mexican Jumping Beans?
If so, how much would you charge for just the handbag?

[101Spots]

Hi sammy

From this statement that was made today "Andrea Lyon from Casey Anthony's legal team will make her first major statement in the case.

It will come in the form of a motion arguing there insufficient evidence to support a murder charge against Casey Anthony."
From this statement (my bolding) that the professor has made should be imo argued in court in front of a jury in order for this to be stated. jmo

Oooooooooooo, good catch! I read this and it didn't register.

How can AL make a motion that the Grand Jury is full of beans? Now if she argued about the DP (a la Lenamon), I could see that. But just, "Forget it, you're wrong, let's drop it, and have lunch?" I don't think so.

But the way the law works sometimes, I could be whistling in the wind.

[happygert]

Yes I found that and edited my post. (Slapped myself with a wet noodle too.)

LOL not a problem... we think she's here just for DP but i guess she trying to do more...stepping on jb's toes....:lol:

[Katprint]

Kat, sorry if this has been answered but, why would AL file a motion that there isn't enough evidence? Wouldn't this just waste the courts time?
My best guess about why, is to preserve the issue on appeal. And gamesmanship-wise, to consume some of the time and effort of the prosecution team that is currently hellbent on strapping down Casey for a lethal injection. Additionally, there is an esoteric legal theory known as "judicial estoppel" which basically prevents the government from taking one position for purposes of one set of hearings then taking a conflicting position for purposes of another set of hearings. So, AL may be hoping to pin down the prosecution to a particular set of facts before their investigation is finished, in hopes of preventing the prosecution from changing its position if new facts/evidence are discovered.

My best guess about what, is 1) no physical evidence establishing the precise mechanism of Caylee's death and 2) no physical evidence directly connecting Casey - as opposed to Cindy, George, Lee, TonE, Jesse and everyone else who has ever been in the Anthony residence - to the crime scene. The obvious response is that plentiful circumstantial evidence fills in these gaps.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[desmom]

Hi sammy

From this statement that was made today "Andrea Lyon from Casey Anthony's legal team will make her first major statement in the case.

It will come in the form of a motion arguing there insufficient evidence to support a murder charge against Casey Anthony."
From this statement (my bolding) that the professor has made should be imo argued in court in front of a jury in order for this to be stated. jmo


Didn't the duct tape on Caylee's mouth match the duct tape on the Anthony's gas can?

Didn't the laundry bag found with Caylee's body match the laundry bag found in the Anthony's garage?

Didn't the plastic garbage bag have similar markings as the plastic garbage bags LE already had in evidence from the Anthony home?

Didn't LE find a hair in the trunk of Casey's car with the death band that came either from Casey or Caylee?

Didn't Casey tell Amy on two different occasions about the odor in the trunk of car and then abandoned the car?

Didn't forensics test show signs of decompositional event occurred in the trunk of Casey's car?

Didn't the paper towels removed from the trunk of the car have evidence of grave wax?

So who should be charged? George or Cindy?

jmo

[Pam1569]

Oooooooooooo, good catch! I read this and it didn't register.

How can AL make a motion that the Grand Jury is full of beans? Now if she argued about the DP (a la Lenamon), I could see that. But just, "Forget it, you're wrong, let's drop it, and have lunch?" I don't think so.

But the way the law works sometimes, I could be whistling in the wind.

Hi 101 :seeya:

She is pushing for the SA's office to release everything they have in order for them to prove to her that there is evidence even though she has the discovery docs. It is not the SA office to prove to her but to to prove to a jury and she has to do the same with the defense and prove her case to the jury. IMO this motion if it intends to argue that there is no evidence to KC's guilt then it will be moot. This is a case for the jury plain and simple. Sorry for the length of this but really tired of the defense doing motions of this type.

[101Spots]

My best guess about why, is to preserve the issue on appeal. And gamesmanship-wise, to consume some of the time and effort of the prosecution team that is currently hellbent on strapping down Casey for a lethal injection. Additionally, there is an esoteric legal theory known as "judicial estoppel" which basically prevents the government from taking one position for purposes of one set of hearings then taking a conflicting position for purposes of another set of hearings. So, AL may be hoping to pin down the prosecution to a particular set of facts before their investigation is finished, in hopes of preventing the prosecution from changing its position if new facts/evidence are discovered.

My best guess about what, is that 1) no physical evidence establishing the precise mechanism of Caylee's death and 2) no physical evidence directly connecting Casey - as opposed to Cindy, George, Lee, TonE, Jesse and everyone else who has ever been in the Anthony residence - to the crime scene. The obvious response is that plentiful circumstantial evidence fills in these gaps.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Sooooooooo, AL files this magnum opus, and then the prosecution has to file a response that basically spells out their strategy? Do I have this correct?

[Pam1569]

Didn't the duct tape on Caylee's mouth match the duct tape on the Anthony's gas can?

Didn't the laundry bag found with Caylee's body match the laundry bag found in the Anthony's garage?

Didn't the plastic garbage bag have similar markings as the plastic garbage bags LE already had in evidence from the Anthony home?

Didn't LE find a hair in the trunk of Casey's car with the death band that came either from Casey or Caylee?

Didn't Casey tell Amy on two different occasions about the odor in the trunk of car and then abandoned the car?

Didn't forensics test show signs of decompositional event occurred in the trunk of Casey's car?

Didn't the paper towels removed from the trunk of the car have evidence of grave wax?

So who should be charged? :cursing:

jmo

Hi desmom,
I so agree with you that everything leads back to one person and one person only in my mind and that person is already wearing prison garb and that is KC the OC.

[101Spots]

Hi 101 :seeya:

She is pushing for the SA's office to release everything they have in order for them to prove to her that there is evidence even though she has the discovery docs. It is not the SA office to prove to her but to to prove to a jury and she has to do the same with the defense and prove her case to the jury. IMO this motion if it intends to argue that there is no evidence to KC's guilt then it will be moot. This is a case for the jury plain and simple. Sorry for the length of this but really tired of the defense doing motions of this type.

Me, too. I console myself that *somebody* is paying for all this work. If it's the Anthonys, good - hope they have to live on dry crackers. If it's a mystery donor - may they realize the error of their ways. If it's pro bono - even better. Eat these billable hours, Jose!

[101Spots]

I have a question....

What is Tim Miller going to testify that will help the defense???

TIA

2w4u

Short answer: nothing.

[Dovey]

I'm trying to catch up after a week and where are the new documents that the defense received? Have they been released yet?
Sorry I was Out of town and didn't have internet, can someone catch me up? I read all the news releases on the thread.
What else important did I miss..

thanks for an update.

[Lavinia]

Can I get just the replica handbag without the vital organs and no Mexican Jumping Beans?
If so, how much would you charge for just the handbag?

Today's your lucky day! We're running a special where the handbag is free today.:thumbsup: (Shipping and Handling only $98.99 per Dennis Milstead.)

I swear watching these lawyers "practicing" law is just the most entertaining thing I have ever watched.

[101Spots]

Today's your lucky day! We're running a special where the handbag is free today.:thumbsup: (Shipping and Handling only $98.99 per Dennis Milstead.)

I swear watching these lawyers "practicing" law is just the most entertaining thing I have ever watched.

And someday one of them will get it right.

[Katprint]

Sooooooooo, AL files this magnum opus, and then the prosecution has to file a response that basically spells out their strategy? Do I have this correct?
I guess it will depend on what the motion says. It may be a fabulous motion. I personally have a pretty good track record (close to 100%) back when I was doing demurrers and motions for summary judgment - both of which are similar to a motion to dismiss - as a civil litigation defense attorney but that was primarily a result of only doing those on cases where they were justified. For example, I was successful in demurring to a lawsuit against a pest control company that had performed a pest control inspection as part of a real estate sales transaction, where the basis of the lawsuit was that the pest control company failed to disclose the possibility that woodpeckers might continue to peck holes in the exterior of this residence located in a wilderness area. The plaintiff and his attorney probably did not appreciate it but I really saved everyone a lot of time, money and effort by getting that case booted out of court from the get-go.

On the other hand, the Anthony defense team has not been particularly successful in its motions so far. My crystal ball is quite cloudy when it comes to motions that have not been filed yet. Particularly motions contemplated by the Casey Anthony defense team because it is very difficult for me to understand why they do many of the things they do.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[101Spots]

I guess it will depend on what the motion says. It may be a fabulous motion. I personally have a pretty good track record (close to 100%) back when I was doing demurrers and motions for summary judgment - both of which are similar to a motion to dismiss - as a civil litigation defense attorney but that was primarily a result of only doing those on cases where they were justified. For example, I was successful in demurring to a lawsuit against a pest control company that had performed a pest control inspection as part of a real estate sales transaction, where the basis of the lawsuit was that the pest control company failed to disclose the possibility that woodpeckers might continue to peck holes in the exterior of this residence located in a wilderness area. The plaintiff and his attorney probably did not appreciate it but I really saved everyone a lot of time, money and effort by getting that case booted out of court from the get-go.

On the other hand, the Anthony defense team has not been particularly successful in its motions so far. My crystal ball is quite cloudy when it comes to motions that have not been filed yet. Particularly motions contemplated by the Casey Anthony defense team because it is very difficult for me to understand why they do many of the things they do.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Thanks for the explanation. :thumbsup:

If *you* can't follow their reasoning, it's no wonder I'm totally confuddled. I feel better now.

[desmom]

Hi desmom,
I so agree with you that everything leads back to one person and one person only in my mind and that person is already wearing prison garb and that is KC the OC.

Thanks Pam.

I have a feeling I should probably avoid the boards when the defense starts filing all their motions.

I know Casey has the right to a defense. If they don't believe Casey killed her, then why the heck aren't they offering a reward, asking for tips to find the real murderer........

Poor Caylee. I feel like the people she loved and trusted the most have thrown her to the wind. She has LE and a bunch of strangers on message boards.

:rose: Caylee

[desmom]

I'm trying to catch up after a week and where are the new documents that the defense received? Have they been released yet?
Sorry I was Out of town and didn't have internet, can someone catch me up? I read all the news releases on the thread.
What else important did I miss..

thanks for an update.

Documents have not been released yet.

Motion hearing last Friday. Judge ruled yesterday. My favorite headline:

Judge Says Padilla Isn't Required To Shut Up
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/8/27/tim_miller_material_witness_in_casey_case.html

I think the links thread is up-to-date http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13414320#post13414320 with all the headlines form the past week.

[Pam1569]

Thanks Pam.

I have a feeling I should probably avoid the boards when the defense starts filing all their motions.

I know Casey has the right to a defense. If they don't believe Casey killed her, then why the heck aren't they offering a reward, asking for tips to find the real murderer........

Poor Caylee. I feel like the people she loved and trusted the most have thrown her to the wind. She has LE and a bunch of strangers on message boards.

:rose: Caylee

desmom, I understand the aggravation seeing this families dynamics, but I do really believe that Caylee is better off knowing right now that the world will fight for justice for her along with the state of Florida and that love for her is overwhelming and she will be in the hearts that count and in thinking this way makes me smile that she is and will always be in hearts and with love. jmo

peace and love always for Caylee

[Pruddennce]

Hi sydney
I think he knows their story but sometimes desperation can overcome common sense. I hope that the case here. I think they are probably feeding him a huge line of bull and he is desperate enough to believe it.

:shrug:

JD better come to grips with:

MD hated him more than she loved her son. sound familiar? she killed herself rather than 'search' for her missing child. which is a clue IMO as to what became of Trenton.

on topic: his child is classified as 'missing'. if he were smart, he would stay away from the Anthonys...they are a poison and have nothing to offer HIM. and at this point, he has nothing to offer THEM. Caylee is found and deceased.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[desmom]

JD better come to grips with:

MD hated him more than she loved her son. sound familiar? she killed herself rather than 'search' for her missing child. which is a clue IMO as to what became of Trenton.

on topic: his child is classified as 'missing'. if he were smart, he would stay away from the Anthonys...they are a poison and have nothing to offer HIM. and at this point, he has nothing to offer THEM. Caylee is found and deceased.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*


Evening Pru. There are a lot of similarities between Casey and Melinda.

Casey's phone call after her lst arrest: http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/7/25/casey_anthony_calls_home_from_jail.html
Casey Anthony: Because I'm not sitting here ****ing crying every two seconds. Because I have to stay composed to talk to detectives, to make other phone calls, to do other things. I can't sit here and be crying every two seconds like I want to. I can't.

Melinda Duckett on NG's 09/08/2006 show: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0609/08/ng.01.html
Melinda Duckett: Well obviously that is the case, but I mean, I'm all hands in the pot with this whole deal. I'm not sitting down either crying my eyes out in my house not doing anything or gluing myself to the police department door. I'm actually physically doing things.

IIRC, Melinda also fell in out of love as often as Casey did.

jmo

[Holden]

Don't you just want to scream at them - She Ain't Missing! Take the stupid shirts off, put your begging cans back in the shed! It's over!
This is not your venue!

:thumbup: AMEN Jeepers.

[farrahrani]

I wonder if they needed permission to use the children's images on those shirts from their parents. >.<

[Dovey]

Documents have not been released yet.

Motion hearing last Friday. Judge ruled yesterday. My favorite headline:

Judge Says Padilla Isn't Required To Shut Up
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/8/27/tim_miller_material_witness_in_casey_case.html

I think the links thread is up-to-date http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13414320#post13414320 with all the headlines form the past week.

TY for all your updates. I'm out of town no internet for the next 3 weeks so I do appreciate all your post...TYVM

[djmsmom]

Has anyone seen those particular t shirts before? I don't recall them, please tell me they are not still printing t shirts with donated monies.

where are you all seeing new pictures of the Anthonys? I cked the links thread and can't find any new links about missing children.

[denjet]

where are you all seeing new pictures of the Anthonys? I cked the links thread and can't find any new links about missing children.
Neid_77 posted this link :
Trenton Duckett Memorial (http://www.wftv.com/video/20601918/index.html)
Cindy and George were there yesterday I think, wearing the shirts

[denjet]

Has anyone seen those particular t shirts before? I don't recall them, please tell me they are not still printing t shirts with donated monies.

Hi toaddii!
I don't remember seeing those before ... they look like there new "we're going to look for missing children because we did such a good job finding ours" shirt :tonguewag:

[djmsmom]

Neid_77 posted this link :
Trenton Duckett Memorial (http://www.wftv.com/video/20601918/index.html)
Cindy and George were there yesterday I think, wearing the shirts

Thank You denjet. Totally amazing. "Caylees picture is right next to Trentons". They really are something. Still pretending Caylee is missing to collect money. I believe they are the lowest form of people who prey on other people in crisis. And then they go to church. I have no words to describe them.

[happygert]

Neid_77 posted this link :
Trenton Duckett Memorial (http://www.wftv.com/video/20601918/index.html)
Cindy and George were there yesterday I think, wearing the shirts

Oh yes and they both had Caylee buttons on.. george forgot his the day he stormed into NeJame's office.. I see he didnt forget it yesterday..:sneaky:

[denjet]

Thank You denjet. Totally amazing. "Caylees picture is right next to Trentons". They really are something. Still pretending Caylee is missing to collect money. I believe they are the lowest form of people who prey on other people in crisis. And then they go to church. I have no words to describe them.
They are shameless! Did you notice they both had Caylee pins on too! What part of your granddaughter was never missing, she was murdered by your daughter and thrown away don't they understand! Geeezz

[really3997]

Hi toaddii!
I don't remember seeing those before ... they look like there new "we're going to look for missing children because we did such a good job finding ours" shirt :tonguewag:

They kind of resemble the rolling billboard that they have now remember I took a picture of it awhile ago. But it is in photo bucket and I dont think I can post that here correct.

[denjet]

They kind of resemble the rolling billboard that they have now remember I took a picture of it awhile ago. But it is in photo bucket and I dont think I can post that here correct.
Not sure, but is it OK to use tinypic? I've used that before ... at tinypic.com?
ETA: Photobucket is a security risk and some forums don't allow it

[djmsmom]

They are shameless! Did you notice they both had Caylee pins on too! What part of your granddaughter was never missing, she was murdered by your daughter and thrown away don't they understand! Geeezz

The worse part is they do understand that she wasn't missing and was murdered by Casey. They just don't care, not enough to seek justice and let her rest in peace. They are just that low of humans.

[denjet]

OH geeze, Sheeba got through on NG tonight ... she's got to be her aunt or grandmother or something ..:sneaky:

[really3997]

OH geeze, Sheeba got through on NG tonight ... she's got to be her aunt or grandmother or something ..:sneaky:

Pictures of the twins always follow Sheeba with the Per your request pics of the twins..."there is lucy.....there is "whatever his name" having fun outside..:sneaky:

[really3997]

:crying: I have no one to comfort me

[True2Blues]

They kind of resemble the rolling billboard that they have now remember I took a picture of it awhile ago. But it is in photo bucket and I dont think I can post that here correct.


I wish they'd climb in that billboard trailer and roll away. Far far away.

[101Spots]

:crying: I have no one to comfort me

I'm here. (Please hold your applause.)

[Dovey]

Neid_77 posted this link :
Trenton Duckett Memorial (http://www.wftv.com/video/20601918/index.html)
Cindy and George were there yesterday I think, wearing the shirts

Duh do Cindy and George still think Caylee is a missing child?

[101Spots]

Duh do Cindy and George still think Caylee is a missing child?

She's worth more "missing" than "dead." To them, anyway.

[really3997]

Duh do Cindy and George still think Caylee is a missing child?

If it keeps the money coming in they do

[really3997]

I'm here. (Please hold your applause.)

:wub::wub:

[Jeepers]

:crying: I have no one to comfort me

Everything has been taken away from me.....sounds of crickets chirping

Oh yeah, I was feeling sorry for Casey, ok, anyone ready for a bowl of chillie and some crab cakes?

[101Spots]

Everything has been taken away from me.....sounds of crickets chirping

Oh yeah, I was feeling sorry for Casey, ok, anyone ready for a bowl of chillie and some crab cakes?

Here - have a pork rind. Feel better now?

[Jeepers]

I wish they'd climb in that billboard trailer and roll away. Far far away.

Has George taken the rolling billboard boat for spin? Have not heard anything recently about his little boat that is suppose to aide in help finding missing children.

[Jeepers]

Here - have a pork rind. Feel better now?

Yum! Thanks!
How is her commisarry account mounting up? Have not heard any reports on the crazies that help support her pork skin habit.

When she gets to prison maybe she get a pork skin tat on her other shoulder to remind her of the good ole days of total isolation and not fearing for her life everyday from the other inmates.

[Dovey]

If it keeps the money coming in they do

That is so sad.
$$$ off their dead granddaughter who has been confirmed to be from the bones, the trash thrown away like garbage in the woods. I pray for Caylee everyday that someone like ya her mother rots in jail for years. Caylee's grandparents need to go before God if they never get charged with anything with Caylee's death also.

[Jeepers]

Thanks Pam.

I have a feeling I should probably avoid the boards when the defense starts filing all their motions.

I know Casey has the right to a defense. If they don't believe Casey killed her, then why the heck aren't they offering a reward, asking for tips to find the real murderer........

Poor Caylee. I feel like the people she loved and trusted the most have thrown her to the wind. She has LE and a bunch of strangers on message boards.

:rose: Caylee

I feel that way now. When the defense speaks at the hearings they have had so far I get so mad at their rantings. I will probably blow a gasket when the actual trail starts.
I agree Casey does have the right to a defense and a fair trial. I just wish they would defend her with solid evidense of showing the jury real proof and not just throwing all her innocent friends under the bus. These young people don't have the money to pay for all these attorneys. The A's are so vile carrying on with this scam of lies.

[KittyMom]

I can't wait to hear what's on those tapes that has Jose so jumpy. What could it be? hmmmm...

And where the doc dump?

[Jeepers]

Have you guys seen this?

http://www.bloggernews.net/122049


from the article....


The tapes are being released because they are part of public record. They should be released late next week or the week after that.

Hours of tapes. Man, I can't wait. I bet Cindy & Company are bout crazy thinking back on what was said while Lenny & Co. were visitng the house of Cindy.

Stated that Tracy and Casey bonded... Priceless!

[KittyMom]

Hours of tapes. Man, I can't wait. I bet Cindy & Company are bout crazy thinking back on what was said while Lenny & Co. were visitng the house of Cindy.

Stated that Tracy and Casey bonded... Priceless!

Bet there was some "Have you seen Rob's tush? :drool: " or it could've been about Jose. barf

[101Spots]

I feel that way now. When the defense speaks at the hearings they have had so far I get so mad at their rantings. I will probably blow a gasket when the actual trail starts.
I agree Casey does have the right to a defense and a fair trial. I just wish they would defend her with solid evidense of showing the jury real proof and not just throwing all her innocent friends under the bus. These young people don't have the money to pay for all these attorneys. The A's are so vile carrying on with this scam of lies.

ITA. Perhaps its because they speak extemporaneously (although *that* just tells me they're not prepared with notes), but they do ramble on and on. They act as if noise trumps logic and facts. Drone, drone, drone, blah, blah, blah.

I especially bristle at Jose's, "Trust me" statements. Who the blazes is he that we should kiss his ring and not ask any awkward questions? Casey waives her right to be here, trust me. I have the original, trust me. The money comes from a good source, trust me. <ralph>

From my limited exposure to AL, she's just as bad in a different way. Casey should be free because her first puppy are her homework, and because her mother planted red roses instead of her favorite pink roses and because TonE spells his name funny. Yeah, right - fling open the cell doors immediately!! <gag>

[Dovey]

Hours of tapes. Man, I can't wait. I bet Cindy & Company are bout crazy thinking back on what was said while Lenny & Co. were visitng the house of Cindy.

Stated that Tracy and Casey bonded... Priceless!

Yes but don't forget the defense, Caylee's body was thrown in the woods while Casey was in jail and the defense has proof...sure they do.
Is that all the defense has?

[Jeepers]

Bet there was some "Have you seen Rob's tush? :drool: " or it could've been about Jose. barf

I wonder if Casey got giddy over Rob? No, I bet she was making her scripted writings Mrs Casey Baez and giggling all the while. I bet Tracy stayed amazed at Casey's demeanor and antics. Or maybe Cindy was the one drooling over Rob's tush.
The house of Mayhem.

Tracy is going to be a gold nugget for the state.

[Jeepers]

ITA. Perhaps its because they speak extemporaneously (although *that* just tells me they're not prepared with notes), but they do ramble on and on. They act as if noise trumps logic and facts. Drone, drone, drone, blah, blah, blah.

I especially bristle at Jose's, "Trust me" statements. Who the blazes is he that we should kiss his ring and not ask any awkward questions? Casey waives her right to be here, trust me. I have the original, trust me. The money comes from a good source, trust me. <ralph>

From my limited exposure to AL, she's just as bad in a different way. Casey should be free because her first puppy are her homework, and because her mother planted red roses instead of her favorite pink roses and because TonE spells his name funny. Yeah, right - fling open the cell doors immediately!! <gag>

I understand how Al wins her cases she puts so much BS between her client and the truth the jury just tunes her out and gives her what she wants to get her to just shut up and let them outta there. Self Preservation on the jury's part. Al sentences her juries to h3ll

[101Spots]

I understand how Al wins her cases she puts so much BS between her client and the truth the jury just tunes her out and gives her what she wants to get her to just shut up and let them outta there. Self Preservation on the jury's part. Al sentences her juries to h3ll

Acquittal by boredom or bury them in moo-poo. Seems appropriate for this situation.

Disgusting.

[Jeepers]

Yes but don't forget the defense, Caylee's body was thrown in the woods while Casey was in jail and the defense has proof...sure they do.
Is that all the defense has?

Yeah, and I just ordered the handbag shaped in the form of Cindy's hand that is holding George's vital parts from Lavina. Curosity got the best of me I just wanted to see if George really had any vital parts.
I ordered the jumping bean just for fun.

[101Spots]

Yeah, and I just ordered the handbag shaped in the form of Cindy's hand that is holding George's vital parts from Lavina. Curosity got the best of me I just wanted to see if George really had any vital parts.
I ordered the jumping bean just for fun.

I'm saving my money for the Andrea Lyon's Personal Make-up Kit. Or the Linda Kenney-Baden Super Diet Plan. I haven't made up my mind yet.

[Jeepers]

I'm saving my money for the Andrea Lyon's Personal Make-up Kit. Or the Linda Kenney-Baden Super Diet Plan. I haven't made up my mind yet.

Yeah, Al's clothing line should be available by Christmas. That makes me all giddy inside.

[101Spots]

Yeah, Al's clothing line should be available by Christmas. That makes me all giddy inside.

Why, you fashionista!

[Jeepers]

Good nite everyone! Got to get up early.

Justice for Caylee

[101Spots]

Good nite everyone! Got to get up early.

Justice for Caylee

Good night! :seeya:

[legalmania]

Acquittal by boredom or bury them in moo-poo. Seems appropriate for this situation.

Disgusting.


Juries are smarter than that, they have learned how to separate truth from fiction. They want DNA now a days. When the experts come on with DNA testimony their ears perk up and they sit up straight. I remember sitting in a courtroom and everybody even the judge would be falling asleep,the prosecution would call a DNA expert and it was like everybody just got a hit of expresso. They take notes and use this science along with evidence.

[legalmania]

Hey sweet Caylee it's time to say goodnight so I'll leave you for now, go play sweet baby girl your free now and justice will be served.


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[5boxersmom]

I don't know if this was posted or not. I am watching the repeat of NG and guess what? Sheeba from Ill. phoned in. :lol::rolleyes:

That is twice this week that I have heard.

:w00t:

[Postergeist]

I have a really hard time with that one. I just cannot imagine that my granddaughter is missing, my daughter is accused of murdering her and I'd be A-OK with her having her girlfriend spend the nite to "take her mind off it all"? It'd be a really really frigid day in he** here for that to happen. Just can't get my brain to absorb that scene.
JMO

cassidy my dear- I'm disappointed in you- you wouldn't be multi-tasking?

You wouldn't get online to work on your My Space, to read crime message boards and print out posts, you wouldn't be Betty Crocker in the kitchen- plus detailing cars- and doing mounds of laundry- and keeping up with yard work and pounding in no trespassing signs, or holding lit candles, or being so artsy-crafty that you've been Super Scrapbooking so that your entire family has their very own scrapbook to tote around or calling into to cable shows, and hosting big family room pow wows with all of Casey's friends and lovers and having some heart to hearts on your front lawn with the public bystanders?

Sorry, you'll just never measure up to Super Mom and Grandma Cindy.

:sneaky:

[cuddlyrunner]

Has the judge ruled???? What did he say? Oh, I'm off to Cornwall in 20 minutes and haven't got time to read. Is there anyone who can precis it for me?

[Julie Dupree]

Good Morning,
I have been going over interviews from last year and am finding them truly amazing in light of what we now know about Casey, well, the entire Anthony's family.
One of them is this interview that aired on Nancy Grace October 8, 2008.


http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/08/ng.01.html

Couple of things that stand out:

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

CASEY ANTHONY, MOTHER OF MISSING TODDLER: Regardless of how it happened -- (INAUDIBLE) I don`t care. I will lie, I will steal, I will do whatever I can to find my daughter.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Her 3-year-old daughter, Caylee, is missing. So what`s she doing? She`s out buying lingerie. Check out the video here. It`s Casey checking out at Target, buying the food, beer, the lingerie, of course. Prosecutors say she paid for that and other stuff by cashing hundreds of dollars worth of checks from her friend`s bank account, and today they released this video, along with other documents in their check fraud case against Casey.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Check number 146 from her ex-best friend`s checkbook. Investigators say this is one of the checks she used to clean out Amy Huizenga`s checking account.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You lied to us purposely (ph), or you tried to mislead us. Which of those two is it?

CASEY ANTHONY: I purposely misled you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, so you purposely misled us. This was all in an attempt to help find your daughter, right? That makes sense to you, correct?

CASEY ANTHONY: Again, in a backwards sort of way, yes.

And this section was especially interesting to me: (bolding mine)

DR. MICHAEL ARNALL, BOARD CERTIFIED FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: If the remains are found above ground, small animals will likely have scattered the bones. It`s been hot, it`s been humid, there`s been insect activity. A lot of the soft tissue will have been removed.

However, if the body was underground or perhaps even under water, a lot of that disruption may not have occurred and there may still be forensic evidence present.

GRACE: Dr. Arnall, do you believe, if remains are found at this time, we will be able to determine cause of death?

ARNALL: If they`re underground? It`s entirely possible. If there are broken bones, and they find those bones, yes, they`ll be able to diagnose broken bones and make a diagnosis on the cause of death.

GRACE: But a broken bone a murder does not make. If there were -- there was only soft tissue damaged such as by smothering or strangulation, I don`t believe you`re going to be able to determine that if the remains are found now.

ARNALL: If the person was smothered with a plastic bag, the plastic bag may still be around the skull. If the person was strangled, the hyoid bone may be broken. And they may be able to make that diagnosis.

I agree with you, I agree with you that decomposition has a significant possibility of obscuring evidence. However, if they find ligatures or plastic bag over the head or duct tape around the mouth or a gag around the mouth.
GRACE: Right.

ARNALL: Then they will use that nonhuman evidence to assist them in making the diagnosis.

GRACE: And very quickly, Liz, please go back to Dr. Michael Arnall. Could you show us the hyoid bone, please?

ARNALL: The hyoid bone is right above your Adam`s apple in the neck, and when a person is strangled, when pressure is placed around the voice box, you can break that little horseshoe shaped bone that`s right above the voice box...

GRACE: Right.

ARNALL: . right above your Adam`s apple.

[desmom]

Yes but don't forget the defense, Caylee's body was thrown in the woods while Casey was in jail and the defense has proof...sure they do.
Is that all the defense has?

The defense argument is because searches in the area did not find Caylee's remains she had to have been placed there after Casey was in jail.

Which time "Casey was in jail" is JB referring? JB asked for TES records. TES did not arrive in FL until the end of August.

People we know that searched include Gale St. John, Keith Williams, Joy Wray and TS. Their searches began around the 2nd-3rd week of August with the exception of Joy Wray and she said she was there a day or two after Caylee was reported missing, but she did not go into the woods.

Running with JB's theory....IMO, the decomposition level of Caylee's body by the end of August would have been pretty advanced. A plastic trash bag and soft sided laundry bag would have made transport rather difficult.

How does the defense explain the plant growth the expert stated was 4-6 months? Junk Science?

How does the defense explain Caylee's remains being scattered? IMO, scavengers would not work that hard to drag just bones away.

If the defense runs with this theory, they will have a lot of holes to plug to make it fly with the jury.

jmo

[Julie Dupree]

The defense argument is because searches in the area did not find Caylee's remains she had to have been placed there after Casey was in jail.

Which time "Casey was in jail" is JB referring? JB asked for TES records. TES did not arrive in FL until the end of August.

People we know that searched include Gale St. John, Keith Williams, Joy Wray and TS. Their searches began around the 2nd-3rd week of August with the exception of Joy Wray and she said she was there a day or two after Caylee was reported missing, but she did not go into the woods.

Running with JB's theory....IMO, the decomposition level of Caylee's body by the end of August would have been pretty advanced. A plastic trash bag and soft sided laundry bag would have made transport rather difficult.

How does the defense explain the plant growth the expert stated was 4-6 months? Junk Science?

How does the defense explain Caylee's remains being scattered? IMO, scavengers would not work that hard to drag just bones away.

If the defense runs with this theory, they will have a lot of holes to plug to make it fly with the jury.

jmo

I have been wondering, do you think the defense will try to explain Caylee's death in a different way, or merely try to convince the jury that the prosecution did not "prove beyond a shadow of doubt" that Casey committed this murder?

[desmom]

I have been wondering, do you think the defense will try to explain Caylee's death in a different way, or merely try to convince the jury that the prosecution did not "prove beyond a shadow of doubt" that Casey committed this murder?

Common sense would make me think they will go with the did not "prove beyond a shadow of doubt" that Casey committed this murder.

BUT, they are dropping hints of throwing someone under the bus i.e. Tone, Jesse.....

Are these hints to muddy the water about their defense or are they planning to play the blame game? I think the blame game will only make the jury focus more on Casey and her actions or should I say lack of actions. Any one that is on that jury that knows the love of a child is going to have a very difficult time getting past the 31 days...... imo.

[desmom]

Good Morning,
I have been going over interviews from last year and am finding them truly amazing in light of what we now know about Casey, well, the entire Anthony's family.
One of them is this interview that aired on Nancy Grace October 8, 2008.


http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/08/ng.01.html

--snipped--

ARNALL: If the person was smothered with a plastic bag, the plastic bag may still be around the skull. If the person was strangled, the hyoid bone may be broken. And they may be able to make that diagnosis.

I agree with you, I agree with you that decomposition has a significant possibility of obscuring evidence. However, if they find ligatures or plastic bag over the head or duct tape around the mouth or a gag around the mouth.
GRACE: Right.

ARNALL: Then they will use that nonhuman evidence to assist them in making the diagnosis.

--snipped--

Wasn't Casey out of jail on October 8, 2008? I wonder if she was watching NG that night. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall at the Anthonys when Dr. Arnall said, ....or duct tape around the mouth....

:eek:

[Sun]

Wasn't Casey out of jail on October 8, 2008? I wonder if she was watching NG that night. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall at the Anthonys when Dr. Arnall said, ....or duct tape around the mouth....

:eek:

Arrested July 16, 2008 for child endangerment and obstructing/lying.
Out on Bond August 21, 2008 was the first time released from the jail.
Arrested and Jailed August 29, 2008 for writing the bad checks, id theft.
Out on Bond Sept 5, 2008 (or maybe Sep 3 according to a motion filed by Baez)
Arrested and Jailed Sept 15, 2008 for more economic charges.
Out on Bond Sept 16, 2008
Arrested and Jailed October 14, 2008 indictment for murder.

[Julie Dupree]

Wasn't Casey out of jail on October 8, 2008? I wonder if she was watching NG that night. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall at the Anthonys when Dr. Arnall said, ....or duct tape around the mouth....

:eek:

Don't you know if she did hear it, her jaw dropped to the floor!!!!

[msgatorslayer]

G'morning all!

Been over at the King trial board all week. So, the Judge ruled Lenny can keep chatting, and Tim Miller is handing over records for some of the searchers. Anything else?

[Julie Dupree]

Common sense would make me think they will go with the did not "prove beyond a shadow of doubt" that Casey committed this murder.

BUT, they are dropping hints of throwing someone under the bus i.e. Tone, Jesse.....

Are these hints to muddy the water about their defense or are they planning to play the blame game? I think the blame game will only make the jury focus more on Casey and her actions or should I say lack of actions. Any one that is on that jury that knows the love of a child is going to have a very difficult time getting past the 31 days...... imo.


Will be interesting to see what kind of bunnies they pull out of their hat. I guess we will get some hints when AL files her motions after Labor Day.
Don't know why, but I think AL she has more "common sense" than JB and I also think LKB will play a major role. Going on this line of thoughts, I think the "did not prove beyond a shadow of doubt" defense will be their game plan.

[Julie Dupree]

G'morning all!

Been over at the King trial board all week. So, the Judge ruled Lenny can keep chatting, and Tim Miller is handing over records for some of the searchers. Anything else?

I have been gone a lot this week also msgator...but that pretty well sums it up.
Lots of speculations about what will, what won't, what can and what can't be done.
Cindy and George have new shirts...:)
Still can not believe these 2. Don't know why I still think they will straighten up and fly right, as my mom always said.

[desmom]

Arrested July 16, 2008 for child endangerment and obstructing/lying.
Out on Bond August 21, 2008 was the first time released from the jail.
Arrested and Jailed August 29, 2008 for writing the bad checks, id theft.
Out on Bond Sept 5, 2008 (or maybe Sep 3 according to a motion filed by Baez)
Arrested and Jailed Sept 15, 2008 for more economic charges.
Out on Bond Sept 16, 2008
Arrested and Jailed October 14, 2008 indictment for murder.


Thanks Sun! So Casey would have been out on bail and able to watch the 10/08/08 airing of NG's show.

I wonder if she had a panic attack. :rolleyes:

[msgatorslayer]

I have been gone a lot this week also msgator...but that pretty well sums it up.
Lots of speculations about what will, what won't, what can and what can't be done.
Cindy and George have new shirts...:)
Still can not believe these 2. Don't know why I still think they will straighten up and fly right, as my mom always said.

Thanks, Julie.

I was checking the links after seeing another post about the 'new' shirts and I don't see one. What did the shirts say? Is Caylee still missing?

What they are doing, is flying right, in their world. The rest of us maggots just don't understand!!

[desmom]

G'morning all!

Been over at the King trial board all week. So, the Judge ruled Lenny can keep chatting, and Tim Miller is handing over records for some of the searchers. Anything else?

Yesterday afternoon, http://www.wesh.com/news/20604174/detail.html reported In the coming days, the state attorney's office told WESH 2 they will release audio taped interviews with bail bondsmen Leonard Padilla and his team........they plan to release the tapes because they are part of the public record. She plans to do that late next week or the week after.

[Julie Dupree]

Arrested July 16, 2008 for child endangerment and obstructing/lying.
Out on Bond August 21, 2008 was the first time released from the jail.
Arrested and Jailed August 29, 2008 for writing the bad checks, id theft.
Out on Bond Sept 5, 2008 (or maybe Sep 3 according to a motion filed by Baez)
Arrested and Jailed Sept 15, 2008 for more economic charges.
Out on Bond Sept 16, 2008
Arrested and Jailed October 14, 2008 indictment for murder.

I would bet money that during these 40+ days they got this entire story written, rehearsed, and ready for presentation.
How the 3 of them lived in that house knowing what they knew is beyond me.

[msgatorslayer]

Yesterday afternoon, http://www.wesh.com/news/20604174/detail.html reported In the coming days, the state attorney's office told WESH 2 they will release audio taped interviews with bail bondsmen Leonard Padilla and his team........they plan to release the tapes because they are part of the public record. She plans to do that late next week or the week after.

Des to the rescue!! TY

Got a link for the pic of the new Anthony shirts in your cache?:wink:

[desmom]

Will be interesting to see what kind of bunnies they pull out of their hat. I guess we will get some hints when AL files her motions after Labor Day.
Don't know why, but I think AL she has more "common sense" than JB and I also think LKB will play a major role. Going on this line of thoughts, I think the "did not prove beyond a shadow of doubt" defense will be their game plan.

Could AL and LKB be letting JB have his minute of fame now? Once the trial starts, will they tell him to sit down, shut up and let the experienced professionals handle it?

They would be smart if they did. JB's attitude in the court room may irk the jurors.

i.e. smirky smile, sarcasm in his voice, snide comments to the prosecution.....

of course, that is just my opinion.

[Julie Dupree]

Thanks, Julie.

I was checking the links after seeing another post about the 'new' shirts and I don't see one. What did the shirts say? Is Caylee still missing?

What they are doing, is flying right, in their world. The rest of us maggots just don't understand!!

I dont have the link msgator (maybe desmom does...she has everything)
They wore them to Trenton Duckett's affair.
Yes, they have her picture beside Trenton's.

[bchand]

Des to the rescue!! TY

Got a link for the pic of the new Anthony shirts in your cache?:wink:

I can't do a screen capture and put it on my photobucket anymore since photobucket is no longer permitted here but here's the video of Trenton Duckett's vigil the other day. Cindy and George appear at the end wearing their new tshirts.

http://www.wftv.com/news/20602393/detail.html

[Julie Dupree]

Could AL and LKB be letting JB have his minute of fame now? Once the trial starts, will they tell him to sit down, shut up and let the experienced professionals handle it?

They would be smart if they did. JB's attitude in the court room may irk the jurors.

i.e. smirky smile, sarcasm in his voice, snide comments to the prosecution.....

of course, that is just my opinion.

You are right about it being the smart thing to do. I could add some other traits of JB's that would annoy me if I were on the jury.
I do think LKB will be a big part of whatever is presented by them.

[desmom]

Des to the rescue!! TY

Got a link for the pic of the new Anthony shirts in your cache?:wink:

They were wearing them at Trenton's vigil held this week. The shirts appear to have several missing children's pictures printed on them.

30 seconds on the clock offers a good view of the shirts
http://www.wftv.com/video/20601918/index.html

[msgatorslayer]

I can't do a screen capture and put it on my photobucket anymore since photobucket is no longer permitted here but here's the video of Trenton Duckett's vigil the other day. Cindy and George appear at the end wearing their new tshirts.

http://www.wftv.com/news/20602393/detail.html

TY!! I like the car Josh designed. Shows the faces of many missing children.

The Anthony's don't belong there, IMO. However, it's always been MOO that Melinda killed Trenton just as Casey killed Caylee. Josh doesn't want to believe that though, so. I can see why he rolls with the Anthony's unlike the the Cumming's who told them to get lost.

[msgatorslayer]

Common sense would make me think they will go with the did not "prove beyond a shadow of doubt" that Casey committed this murder.

BUT, they are dropping hints of throwing someone under the bus i.e. Tone, Jesse.....

Are these hints to muddy the water about their defense or are they planning to play the blame game? I think the blame game will only make the jury focus more on Casey and her actions or should I say lack of actions. Any one that is on that jury that knows the love of a child is going to have a very difficult time getting past the 31 days...... imo.

ITA - They'll say the state hasn't proven their case and introduce reasonable doubt by tossing one of the guys under the bus.

They'll say COD is not known, nor TOD. No murder weapon was found. No DNA. No trace evidence. And all the lab reports of decomp, botany reports, etc all, are 'junk science'. That Casey was 'ugly coping', just besides herself and didn't want to go home and tell her parents.

In the mean time, they'll say TonE or Jesse, did this, or did that.

[msgatorslayer]

TY Bchand.
If I am seeing correctly..IISC, LOL, old eyes here, Caylee's cameo appears on the left side of the T shirt.

Cindy and George are both wearing Caylee bottoms on the top left, Caylee's likeness appearing twice, therefore in Anthonyism, she is more missing
.

:laugh: "More missing" Yes, that sounds like a fine new Anthonyism!!

[Julie Dupree]

ITA - They'll say the state hasn't proven their case and introduce reasonable doubt by tossing one of the guys under the bus.

They'll say COD is not known, nor TOD. No murder weapon was found. No DNA. No trace evidence. And all the lab reports of decomp, botany reports, etc all, are 'junk science'. That Casey was 'ugly coping', just besides herself and didn't want to go home and tell her parents.

In the mean time, they'll say TonE or Jesse, did this, or did that.


If they contend all of what you have listed to be true (and I agree this is what they will do) how will they tie that to someone moving the body while Casey was in jail? I mean if this evidence is not there, it would not be there for anyone they might try to tie to the killing.
Ideas????

[bchand]

TY Bchand.
If I am seeing correctly..IISC, LOL, old eyes here, Caylee's cameo appears on the left side of the T shirt.

Cindy and George are both wearing Caylee buttons on the top left, Caylee's likeness appearing twice, therefore in Anthonyism, she is more missing, so they win the grieving family attention.

Correct. Did you notice that her image is also on Josh Duckett's car?
He is was too involved with this family IMO.

[msgatorslayer]

If they contend all of what you have listed to be true (and I agree this is what they will do) how will they tie that to someone moving the body while Casey was in jail? I mean if this evidence is not there, it would not be there for anyone they might try to tie to the killing.
Ideas????

They'll pull something outta their tails. I see TonE being in the hot seat for a couple of reasons. He helped Casey break and enter in the shed for gas. He picked Casey up in his car from the Amscot. He was with Casey alot during this time and had access to her car. {Try to link him to the decomp in the car} No hard evidence linking TonE to anything, of course. Just a handful what the defense will say is reasonable doubt.

All of what I say is hogwash though, lol. I want to see them try to get past the 31 days. Casey never reporting Caylee missing. And all the lies she told LE.

They'd have to say that whoever took Caylee from Casey did so, behind her back. That she didn't know who took Caylee. That the person who took her waited for her to be asleep, I guess, and took her car with Caylee's body to the woods. If they go with 'the body was placed there after Casey was in jail' scenerio, they'll say that is when TonE dumped the body.

[desmom]

ITA - They'll say the state hasn't proven their case and introduce reasonable doubt by tossing one of the guys under the bus.

They'll say COD is not known, nor TOD. No murder weapon was found. No DNA. No trace evidence. And all the lab reports of decomp, botany reports, etc all, are 'junk science'. That Casey was 'ugly coping', just besides herself and didn't want to go home and tell her parents.

In the mean time, they'll say TonE or Jesse, did this, or did that.

Wouldn't the defense have to have a theory as to how or why Tone or Jesse were involved?

If I was on the jury and the defense pointed the finger at Tone, Jesse or anyone else, they better have a darn good explanation for me to buy into that theory.

jmo

Ooops sorry. I see you answered my question in your post upthread.

[Dunlurken]

Correct. Did you notice that her image is also on Josh Duckett's car?
He is was too involved with this family IMO.

Josh's involvement with them makes no sense. Caylee is d-e-a-d. Trenton is missing. :confused:

I'm curious who paid for the fancy paint job on Josh's car. Always the skeptic, that's me. JMO.

[Julie Dupree]

They'll pull something outta their tails. I see TonE being in the hot seat for a couple of reasons. He helped Casey break and enter in the shed for gas. He picked Casey up in his car from the Amscot. He was with Casey alot during this time and had access to her car. {Try to link him to the decomp in the car} No hard evidence linking TonE to anything, of course. Just a handful what the defense will say is reasonable doubt.

All of what I say is hogwash though, lol. I want to see them try to get past the 31 days. Casey never reporting Caylee missing. And all the lies she told LE.

They'd have to say that whoever took Caylee from Casey did so, behind her back. That she didn't know who took Caylee. That the person who took her waited for her to be asleep, I guess, and took her car with Caylee's body to the woods. If they go with 'the body was placed there after Casey was in jail' scenerio, they'll say that is when TonE dumped the body.

:) I am hoping that whatever they try to present as reasonable doubt in connection with Casey will also present reasonable doubt in connection with any one else. Then they are truly left with the 31 days to deal with...and like you, I don't seeing them being able to get past this.

[msgatorslayer]

Wouldn't the defense have to have a theory as to how or why Tone or Jesse were involved?

If I was on the jury and the defense pointed the finger at Tone, Jesse or anyone else, they better have a darn good explanation for me to buy into that theory.

jmo

Ooops sorry. I see you answered my question in your post upthread.

These defense attorney's come up with some stuff!!

In the King trial, there WAS plenty of DNA, etc, evidence. And the defense never tried to defend that King abducted and raped Denise. But they tried to implicate a friend of King's as the SHOOTER. Because the gun was never found. And the friend just happened to be at a shooting range with King earlier in the day.

CYA later. Have to scat!!

[101Spots]

Juries are smarter than that, they have learned how to separate truth from fiction. They want DNA now a days. When the experts come on with DNA testimony their ears perk up and they sit up straight. I remember sitting in a courtroom and everybody even the judge would be falling asleep,the prosecution would call a DNA expert and it was like everybody just got a hit of expresso. They take notes and use this science along with evidence.

ITA. But we were talking about arguing the motions in the hearings.

[Julie Dupree]

Josh's involvement with them makes no sense. Caylee is d-e-a-d. Trenton is missing. :confused:

I'm curious who paid for the fancy paint job on Josh's car. Always the skeptic, that's me. JMO.

Maybe Josh knows there are more similarities to this story than the missing/dead scenarios.
I wonder if he has discussed this with the Anthony's and that is why they are "hanging" together.

[desmom]

How will the defense explain page 30 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel "two hours passed and around 7 p.m. I left the apartment and headed to familiar places that Zenaida would go with Caylee. One of Caylee's favorite places is Jay Blanchard Park. I spent the rest of that evening, pacing and worrying, at the one of the few places I felt "at home", my boyfriend Anthony Lazzaro's apartment"

and a little before 8:00 p.m. - http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17841181/detail.html and

[Postergeist]

ITA - They'll say the state hasn't proven their case and introduce reasonable doubt by tossing one of the guys under the bus.

They'll say COD is not known, nor TOD. No murder weapon was found. No DNA. No trace evidence. And all the lab reports of decomp, botany reports, etc all, are 'junk science'. That Casey was 'ugly coping', just besides herself and didn't want to go home and tell her parents.

In the mean time, they'll say TonE or Jesse, did this, or did that.

bbm

Mornin' msgator and all!

IMO no murder weapon was found at the scene because Casey still has the murder weapons- both of her hands.

It's been so long ago- were pillows and pillowcases taken from the home, or did Casey remove them from the home and then replace them?

(maybe purchasing NEW pillows and pillow cases at Penney's?)

Suffocating her with a pillow in the house would be a very quiet kill. Then using the duct tape later either to be 'certain', or because of the smell/purging/bugs that were occurring while she was put in the trunk.

(God rest her soul, it's awful to type about any kind of scenario with this sweet baby) :crying:

I've said it last year-one thing that may have happened if George is saying he saw Caylee on Mon.- IMO then he saw her corpse being carried out- she didn't walk out, she didn't speak, Casey could have put the glasses over her face to hide the dead eyes, leaned her over her shoulder to say that Caylee was tired, people of all ages can sleep with their mouths open...Casey could've put some makeup on the toddler, no one will truly know. George refused a LDT.

imo

[bchand]

In the suggested "People of the Lie" by M. Scott Peck, Md, he describes these people as evil, their lies being consistantly, persistantly destructive to others in the attempt to project their perfect self image.

While wearing Tshirts, Caylee buttons, cremain jewelry and holding candles while on film at Trenton's vigil, IMO we have a good example of the Anthonys fitting the following descriptive statement by Dr Peck:

"They appear to lack any motivation to be good, they intensely desire to appear good. Their "goodness" is all on a level of pretense. It is, in effect, a lie. This is why they are the "people of the lie".
The lie is designed not so much to deceive others as to deceive themselves,
They cannot or will not tolerate the pain of self reproach...Yet self deceit would be unnecessary if evil had no sense of right and wrong".

The recent re baptism provides certificates of the pretense of good.
Their total immersion into their new vocation of supporting the families of missing children with their presense and a Caylee bear, to the exclusion of working real jobs to support themselves, attests to their goodness.

All a pretense, all a lie IMO

I'd love to send a copy of this book to the Anthonys.

[bchand]

Josh's involvement with them makes no sense. Caylee is d-e-a-d. Trenton is missing. :confused:

I'm curious who paid for the fancy paint job on Josh's car. Always the skeptic, that's me. JMO.

Well that's my thinking too. Previously I never gave a thought to how much money has been donated to Josh. I never had a bad feeling about him because Melinda is the key to Trenton's disappearance, not Josh.

BUT, now that he's spending so much time with the Anthonys, it just makes me wonder about his income from this tragedy also.

Bad move, getting close to this family.

[desmom]

While scrolling through old links, I found the link to when Cindy called in to Nancy Grace and talked about Tim Miller and Casey's phone call from Caylee.

9/02/08, http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/02/ng.01.html

Cindy: There was five phone calls, incoming phone calls during that time.

NG: Well, don't you have the records, Miss Anthony?

Cindy: I have them. I see them -- those incoming phone calls.

page 31 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel Casey wrote, "On Tuesday, July 15, 2008, around 12 pm, I received a phone call from my daughter, Caylee. Today was the first day I have heard her voice in over 4 weeks."

page 108 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel in the interview with LE at the Universal on 7/16 at 1320 hours, Casey again talks about the phone call at noon on 7/15/08. She said Casey talked about her book and her shoes, she was excited to talk to Casey yet Caylee wasn't upset.

Then you have Casey's phone records: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2385297/Casey_Anthony_cell_records_615_to_716

Casey had one incoming phone call from Jamie Lynn at 11:35 for 23 minutes. (Jamie Realander page 4 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Realander%20%20Jamie0819.pdf confirms phone call)

From 11:35 - 12:27 there were numerous cell phone contacts listed as 0 seconds in length. IMO, text messages.
12:52 she received a 1 minute phone call from Tone.
12:58 Casey called Cindy's cell - 3 minutes in length
12:59 - 13:10 several 0 second contacts between Casey and Tone, again imo text messages.
13:11 Cindy's cell calls Casey's cell - length 1 minute
13:29 Casey calls local directory assistance - length 3 minutes
13:34 - Casey calls Will Waters - length 55 seconds
13:36 Casey 0 second call to Tone
13:37 Tone calls Casey - length 74 seconds
13:45 Casey calls Jesse - length 3 seconds
13:54 Jesse Grund to Casey - length 0 seconds
13:55 Jamie Lynn to Casey - length 0 seconds
13:56 Casey calls Tone - length - 9 minutes

Next cell phone log is 14:04.

Where is the 12 pm phone call or Cindy's "five phone calls"?

jmo

[101Spots]

While scrolling through old links, I found the link to when Cindy called in to Nancy Grace and talked about Tim Miller and Casey's phone call from Caylee.

9/02/08, http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/02/ng.01.html

Cindy: There was five phone calls, incoming phone calls during that time.

NG: Well, don't you have the records, Miss Anthony?

Cindy: I have them. I see them -- those incoming phone calls.

page 31 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel Casey wrote, "On Tuesday, July 15, 2008, around 12 pm, I received a phone call from my daughter, Caylee. Today was the first day I have heard her voice in over 4 weeks."

page 108 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel in the interview with LE at the Universal on 7/16 at 1320 hours, Casey again talks about the phone call at noon on 7/15/08. She said Casey talked about her book and her shoes, she was excited to talk to Casey yet Caylee wasn't upset.

Then you have Casey's phone records: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2385297/Casey_Anthony_cell_records_615_to_716

Casey had one incoming phone call from Jamie Lynn at 11:35 for 23 minutes. (Jamie Realander page 4 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Realander%20%20Jamie0819.pdf confirms phone call)

From 11:35 - 12:27 there were numerous cell phone contacts listed as 0 seconds in length. IMO, text messages.
12:52 she received a 1 minute phone call from Tone.
12:58 Casey called Cindy's cell - 3 minutes in length
12:59 - 13:10 several 0 second contacts between Casey and Tone, again imo text messages.
13:11 Cindy's cell calls Casey's cell - length 1 minute
13:29 Casey calls local directory assistance - length 3 minutes
13:34 - Casey calls Will Waters - length 55 seconds
13:36 Casey 0 second call to Tone
13:37 Tone calls Casey - length 74 seconds
13:45 Casey calls Jesse - length 3 seconds
13:54 Jesse Grund to Casey - length 0 seconds
13:55 Jamie Lynn to Casey - length 0 seconds
13:56 Casey calls Tone - length - 9 minutes

Next cell phone log is 14:04.

Where is the 12 pm phone call or Cindy's "five phone calls"?

jmo

In the deep, dark recesses of their collective imaginations.

[denjet]

In the suggested "People of the Lie" by M. Scott Peck, Md, he describes these people as evil, their lies being consistantly, persistantly destructive to others in the attempt to project their perfect self image.

While wearing Tshirts, Caylee buttons, cremain jewelry and holding candles while on film at Trenton's vigil, IMO we have a good example of the Anthonys fitting the following descriptive statement by Dr Peck:

"They appear to lack any motivation to be good, they intensely desire to appear good. Their "goodness" is all on a level of pretense. It is, in effect, a lie. This is why they are the "people of the lie".
The lie is designed not so much to deceive others as to deceive themselves,
They cannot or will not tolerate the pain of self reproach...Yet self deceit would be unnecessary if evil had no sense of right and wrong".

The recent re baptism provides certificates of the pretense of good.
Their total immersion into their new vocation of supporting the families of missing children with their presense and a Caylee bear, to the exclusion of working real jobs to support themselves, attests to their goodness.

All a pretense, all a lie IMO

Morning all!
toadii, I think that says it all ... best discription yet of their mindset! :thumbsup:

[denjet]

The defense argument is because searches in the area did not find Caylee's remains she had to have been placed there after Casey was in jail.

Which time "Casey was in jail" is JB referring? JB asked for TES records. TES did not arrive in FL until the end of August.

People we know that searched include Gale St. John, Keith Williams, Joy Wray and TS. Their searches began around the 2nd-3rd week of August with the exception of Joy Wray and she said she was there a day or two after Caylee was reported missing, but she did not go into the woods.

Running with JB's theory....IMO, the decomposition level of Caylee's body by the end of August would have been pretty advanced. A plastic trash bag and soft sided laundry bag would have made transport rather difficult.

How does the defense explain the plant growth the expert stated was 4-6 months? Junk Science?

How does the defense explain Caylee's remains being scattered? IMO, scavengers would not work that hard to drag just bones away.

If the defense runs with this theory, they will have a lot of holes to plug to make it fly with the jury.

jmo

Hi Des,
Sounds like a pretty weak defense to me ... if this is all they got, KC's surely going to be found guilty! IMO

[denjet]

Hi sammy

From this statement that was made today "Andrea Lyon from Casey Anthony's legal team will make her first major statement in the case.

It will come in the form of a motion arguing there insufficient evidence to support a murder charge against Casey Anthony."
From this statement (my bolding) that the professor has made should be imo argued in court in front of a jury in order for this to be stated. jmo
Hi Pam,
That's my take on it too ... sounds like she's arguing the case which should be done at trial ...

Also, does anyone else think this is just a ploy to force the state to turn over the rest of the evidence they have?

[Pruddennce]

Evening Pru. There are a lot of similarities between Casey and Melinda.

Casey's phone call after her lst arrest: http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/7/25/casey_anthony_calls_home_from_jail.html
Casey Anthony: Because I'm not sitting here ****ing crying every two seconds. Because I have to stay composed to talk to detectives, to make other phone calls, to do other things. I can't sit here and be crying every two seconds like I want to. I can't.

Melinda Duckett on NG's 09/08/2006 show: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0609/08/ng.01.html
Melinda Duckett: Well obviously that is the case, but I mean, I'm all hands in the pot with this whole deal. I'm not sitting down either crying my eyes out in my house not doing anything or gluing myself to the police department door. I'm actually physically doing things.

IIRC, Melinda also fell in out of love as often as Casey did.

jmo

lots of similarities, I agree desmom, which is probably why JD has allowed himself to spend time with them. MD had documented mental health issues. Casey certainly has issues, but that information is not available as to IF she has documented evaluations. I think not as Cindy would never seek help for her as that would mean admitting her perfect family was not so perfect.

also one glaring difference: MD executed her "HE'S MISSING' plan hours later after having cell and net activity go silent saturday nite. the next day, sunday, she is out driving around ALL DAY until arond 4:30 pm 'supposedly' with Trenton. guests never see Trenton at 7:30 when they arrive. last time he was seen was friday by her gp's.

IIRC Casey had some cell/net activity go silent as well.

Casey never announced she was missing or sought help. this will be extremely problematic for the defense. its impossible for them to paint a sympathetic picture of Casey by giving excuses for her lack of action:

she never called 911, and only when cornered a month later to produce Caylee, still, she did not call 911, Cindy did *half-heartedly*....same as MD...she did not call 911, she asked her friend to do it. when urged by 911 to get on the phone (same as Casey) MD's responses to 911 are another clue: shoes/no shoes? the child was supposedly IN BED.

Casey's activities during this period demonstrate she was not concerned and was not looking for her. the defense cannot say she was a worried mother based on her lack of action and personal activities which were for her own pleasure.

and after she is reported missing, Casey lies to authorities which provokes her arrest.

MD was going to be heading down that path as well, IMO. she was being investigaated for sending a threatening email 'to herself' concerning her child and initiated legal action against JD, accusing him of threatening her. Casey A also engaged in nefarious activity prior to this event: committing fraud against family members and Ryan P, *that we know of*.

the similarities exist, age bracket, self-centered, portrayed themselves as something they were not. MD however, did get herself her own apartment, but she really wasnt in a financial position to hold onto it....recently laid off.. her past included being under suspicion of stealing from BOA when she was employed there.

MD chose to exit the world rather than face charges. which means, IMO, that she had no reason to live because she 'removed Trenton' permanently from her life and the lives of others.

CA, however, IMO is a psychopath. she didnt plan, she was flying by the seat of her pants because IMO historically, people (her parents) backed off and took no action: example: she was thieving way before this incident, no consequences. a child 'disappears', "NOT HER FAULT" <---is her exact words on the first jail call speaking with Cindy.

Casey's a psychopath. MD was something else entirely, but IMO the outcome is the same.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

[martha]

Good morning everyone. I think Lyons will quote every case she has ever heard of to the judge but it is not going to impress him one bit. I just as soon casey get lwop and have to sit in prison for the rest of her life you know that would be worse than death to her. I think it would be worse on the whole an;s family if she gets lwop.I just can;t see them coming up with a reason a mother would wait 31 days to report her child missing. I don;t see how they can explain the smell in the trunk of casey;s car g and c both knew what the smell was.g knew a body had been in the car he just said it was not his gd. who elce is missing or dead no one but CAYLEE. g and c knew it was CAYLEE or they would not have gone home and searched their back yard.They all know what casey did to CAYLEE and I sure hope none of her lawyers can get up there and say a bunch of stuff to throw the jury of. I know a lot of people have not keep up with this case like we have here but surely go goodness they can see no one could have done this except casey. everything points to casey and the an;s or not looking for the real killer now if they thought casey was not the one that did this they would be out looking for the killer.They have plenty of money now to hire people to get out and look for a real killer even oj was going to do that ha. which he never did because he knew he did it.no use to look any further than the mirrow.just like the an;s know the real killer is their daughter and she is in jail where she need to be.jmho

[LilGirl]

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20587563/detail.html

Here is a link to Judge Strickland's ruling on the LP and his crew motion. I am happy to learn that he ruled as I thought that he might on this issue.

Just logged on and all I can say is Hallelujah! We will hear some TRUTH in this trial after all! :smile:

[sydney]

TY Bchand.
If I am seeing correctly..IISC, LOL, old eyes here, Caylee's cameo appears on the left side of the T shirt.

Cindy and George are both wearing Caylee buttons on the top left, Caylee's likeness appearing twice, therefore in Anthonyism, she is more missing, so they win the grieving family attention.

good afternoon all! just a quickie - so, if the a's were advocates of ALL missing children, why don't they wear buttons or some rememberance of ALL the missing children, why just caylee, who IS NOT MISSING - SHE WAS MURDERED?

[martha]

good afternoon all! just a quickie - so, if the a's were advocates of ALL missing children, why don't they wear buttons or some rememberance of ALL the missing children, why just caylee, who IS NOT MISSING - SHE WAS MURDERED?ITAWY she was never missing she was murdered and casey knew where she was all the time that is the reason she did not report her missing she knew where she had put her. When will the an;s get it CAYLEE was not missing. if you kill someone and put them some where then you know where they or they or not missing.31 days casey knew where CAYLEE was and she was have a very good time shoping parting and staying with her bf.she was living the good life now it is time for her to pay.How can lyons get up and say casey did not do anything? I really don;t see how she can lay down and sleep at night when she is trying to get someone of from killing their own baby. just don;t understand.If we don;t see justice for CAYLEE I am sure God will make sure there is justice for CAYLEE. jmho:wub:

[seeing_eye]

Josh's involvement with them makes no sense. Caylee is d-e-a-d. Trenton is missing. :confused:

I'm curious who paid for the fancy paint job on Josh's car. Always the skeptic, that's me. JMO.

Isn't Josh Duckett a "friend" of the Millsteads?

[seeing_eye]

bbm

Mornin' msgator and all!

IMO no murder weapon was found at the scene because Casey still has the murder weapons- both of her hands.

It's been so long ago- were pillows and pillowcases taken from the home, or did Casey remove them from the home and then replace them?

(maybe purchasing NEW pillows and pillow cases at Penney's?)

Suffocating her with a pillow in the house would be a very quiet kill. Then using the duct tape later either to be 'certain', or because of the smell/purging/bugs that were occurring while she was put in the trunk.

(God rest her soul, it's awful to type about any kind of scenario with this sweet baby) :crying:

I've said it last year-one thing that may have happened if George is saying he saw Caylee on Mon.- IMO then he saw her corpse being carried out- she didn't walk out, she didn't speak, Casey could have put the glasses over her face to hide the dead eyes, leaned her over her shoulder to say that Caylee was tired, people of all ages can sleep with their mouths open...Casey could've put some makeup on the toddler, no one will truly know. George refused a LDT.

imo


My bolding.

IMO, the murder weapon was found at the scene. It was still wrapped around Caylee's skull when her remains was found.

[happygert]

If they contend all of what you have listed to be true (and I agree this is what they will do) how will they tie that to someone moving the body while Casey was in jail? I mean if this evidence is not there, it would not be there for anyone they might try to tie to the killing.
Ideas????

Morning Julie, not only that ol george said he knew Caylee was moved 9 times and they were watching the kidnappers... who had her? who was moving her? where was to moved to and from? why didn't they call FBI, LE or just get her themselves? ITS all LIES.. just like them saying she was moved after casey was in jail another lie. ( covering once again for the real killer their own daughter casey)... That statement is just as ridiculous as saying someone put Caylee's body there after casey was in jail.. I look for jb and company to ask george about her being moved 9 times..Then cant wait until DA's pounce and ask him the questions above..

[happygert]

Pru.. You just gave me a thought.. Talking about the e-mails.. cindy didnt want to turn over things from her computer. Remember when she said her computer was hacked into and some emails got sent to Kathi Belich by mistake.. Kathi either called cindy about them cant recall exact events.. But in any event I dont think cindys computer was ever hacked into.. I think cindy sent those emails to Kathi by mistake.. Could the reason cindy didnt turn the stuff to D.A's when they wanted them is because she thought they'd find all the stuff she didnt want them to see? Thats why bc said cindys computer was broke again.
The guy DA's office added to their list is a computer tech.. umm wonder if the A's paid him to clean out computer before da's got the stuff they wanted?

[Julie Dupree]

Morning Julie, not only that ol george said he knew Caylee was moved 9 times and they were watching the kidnappers... who had her? who was moving her? where was to moved to and from? why didn't they call FBI, LE or just get her themselves? ITS all LIES.. just like them saying she was moved after casey was in jail another lie. ( covering once again for the real killer their own daughter casey)... That statement is just as ridiculous as saying someone put Caylee's body there after casey was in jail.. I look for jb and company to ask george about her being moved 9 times..Then cant wait until DA's pounce and ask him the questions above..

I have been reading past shows of Nancy Grace this morning :) and it is amazing how many lies this family has told to everyone they have spoken with. As a matter of fact, I have been trying to find a time when they didn't lie, and so far those have been few and far between. When I was able to find them, I am still not sure because of other things they have said.
I know GA was blowing smoke with his moving Caylee tales, I know JB is blowing smoke with "evidence" that the body was placed there after Casey was put in jail, and I also know regardless of what they say either in prior motions or at the trial they will not be able to explain to a jury why Caylee was missing for 31 days and no one but Casey knew about it.

[Julie Dupree]

Pru.. You just gave me a thought.. Talking about the e-mails.. cindy didnt want to turn over things from her computer. Remember when she said her computer was hacked into and some emails got sent to Kathi Belich by mistake.. Kathi either called cindy about them cant recall exact events.. But in any event I dont think cindys computer was ever hacked into.. I think cindy sent those emails to Kathi by mistake.. Could the reason cindy didnt turn the stuff to D.A's when they wanted them is because she thought they'd find all the stuff she didnt want them to see? Thats why bc said cindys computer was broke again.
The guy DA's office added to their list is a computer tech.. umm wonder if the A's paid him to clean out computer before da's got the stuff they wanted?


I think he did some work on some one's computer or else he would not be on the witness list.

[Julie Dupree]

My bolding.

IMO, the murder weapon was found at the scene. It was still wrapped around Caylee's skull when her remains was found.

I think you are right about this, but I wonder how they could prove it since they do not know if it was placed there before or after Caylee was killed?

[Pruddennce]

Pru.. You just gave me a thought.. Talking about the e-mails.. cindy didnt want to turn over things from her computer. Remember when she said her computer was hacked into and some emails got sent to Kathi Belich by mistake.. Kathi either called cindy about them cant recall exact events.. But in any event I dont think cindys computer was ever hacked into.. I think cindy sent those emails to Kathi by mistake.. Could the reason cindy didnt turn the stuff to D.A's when they wanted them is because she thought they'd find all the stuff she didnt want them to see? Thats why bc said cindys computer was broke again.
The guy DA's office added to their list is a computer tech.. umm wonder if the A's paid him to clean out computer before da's got the stuff they wanted?

HG, I agree with you. Cindy IMO did send those emails by mistake. heck, people do it all the time, in the workplace, in their personal lives...lots of computer oopsies, not unusual.

link to the story:

http://www.wftv.com/news/18181289/detail.html

KB sent the emails to the FBI. the FBI was 'investigating'...we never heard the results of that investigation which I interpret as 'oops, Cindy DID forward them'.

Cindy behaves as if she is highly evolved. she had a WEB EMAIL ACCOUNT: YAHOO....accessible from anywhere. DUH.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[happygert]

HG, I agree with you. Cindy IMO did send those emails by mistake. heck, people do it all the time, in the workplace, in their personal lives...lots of computer oopsies, not unusual.

link to the story:

http://www.wftv.com/news/18181289/detail.html

KB sent the emails to the FBI. the FBI was 'investigating'...we never heard the results of that investigation which I interpret as 'oops, Cindy DID forward them'.

Cindy behaves as if she is highly evolved. she had a WEB EMAIL ACCOUNT: YAHOO....accessible from anywhere. DUH.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Just a thought.. Do you think thats why baez is so down on Kathi because she knows something she shouldn't? maybe when this case is over Kathi will tell what was in that email..

yes even from out of town.....:rolleyes:

[happygert]

I think he did some work on some one's computer or else he would not be on the witness list.

Yep.. that the only reason I can think of..

[happygert]

I have been reading past shows of Nancy Grace this morning :) and it is amazing how many lies this family has told to everyone they have spoken with. As a matter of fact, I have been trying to find a time when they didn't lie, and so far those have been few and far between. When I was able to find them, I am still not sure because of other things they have said.
I know GA was blowing smoke with his moving Caylee tales, I know JB is blowing smoke with "evidence" that the body was placed there after Casey was put in jail, and I also know regardless of what they say either in prior motions or at the trial they will not be able to explain to a jury why Caylee was missing for 31 days and no one but Casey knew about it.

IMO they all lie.. only time either told the truth was about the smell in the car.. then they started lying about it..

No they will never explain the 31 days.. or the partying.. tattoo. death band on hair in car, grave wax on paper towel in trunk..the maggot evidence , the duct tape that matches tape on george's gas can.. there a lot they will NEVER be able to explain away..

[Pruddennce]

Just a thought.. Do you think thats why baez is so down on Kathi because she knows something she shouldn't? maybe when this case is over Kathi will tell what was in that email..

yes even from out of town.....:rolleyes:

yes. JB knows. IMO. Kathi has been asked to remain silent, although one portion of an email was released which showed Cindy's arrogance about the hairbrush...just the tip of the iceberg.

as an aside, Dominic Casey stepped up as a spokesperson, claiming 'they investigated'.....wonder if they turned that information over to LE/FBI...doubt it. it was lip service to publically deny Cindy made a mistake and that mistake was incriminating...IMO

we have all learned how the anthonys lie with ease, people associated with them lie with ease, as well as their attorney because lies to the public are not EVIDENCE.....

Ill say it again, the anthonys effort to protect casey will continue to backfire...little by little....latest arrogance: GA being referenced in the judge's response to the motion.....continue to lie or say I DUNNO and the results will continue to damage her case....as if Casey's actions alone are not enough....lol

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[Scampi]

Could AL and LKB be letting JB have his minute of fame now? Once the trial starts, will they tell him to sit down, shut up and let the experienced professionals handle it?

They would be smart if they did. JB's attitude in the court room may irk the jurors.

i.e. smirky smile, sarcasm in his voice, snide comments to the prosecution.....

of course, that is just my opinion.



Unfortunately jose isn't the only problem, linda kenney baden was, in my opinion, very disrespectful towards many of the witnesses in the spector I trial.

I will never forget her loud yelling at the witnesses and her refusal to address the woman forensic doctor as a doctor, instead referring to her as "Miss." Such discourtesy is not lost on juries, imo.

Whereas lyon seems to have more intelligence then the other two, I think she has the potential to be just as annoying.

[happygert]

yes. JB knows. IMO. Kathi has been asked to remain silent, although one portion of an email was released which showed Cindy's arrogance about the hairbrush...just the tip of the iceberg.

as an aside, Dominic Casey stepped up as a spokesperson, claiming 'they investigated'.....wonder if they turned that information over to LE/FBI...doubt it. it was lip service to publically deny Cindy made a mistake and that mistake was incriminating...IMO

we have all learned how the anthonys lie with ease, people associated with them lie with ease, as well as their attorney because lies to the public are not EVIDENCE.....

Ill say it again, the anthonys effort to protect casey will continue to backfire...little by little....latest arrogance: GA being referenced in the judge's response to the motion.....continue to lie or say I DUNNO and the results will continue to damage her case....as if Casey's actions alone are not enough....lol

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

ITA! casey alone can put the nails in her own coffin.. However mommy and daddy are helping..

Everyone in the A's camp are LAIRS.. Not one tell the truth including bc.. Hope he's making enough money off of them.. I know I sure wouldn't want to hire him..Hope his rep was well worth defending these people..

dc's investiagtion....lol..probably went as far as what cindy told him to say..I wonder if we are ever going to see dc's phone records from nov.. I will not be conviced that it wasn't cindy that was telling dc where to look for Caylee at.. if phone records prove me wrong then ok.. but imo it came from cindy..

[Scampi]

HG, I agree with you. Cindy IMO did send those emails by mistake. heck, people do it all the time, in the workplace, in their personal lives...lots of computer oopsies, not unusual.

link to the story:

http://www.wftv.com/news/18181289/detail.html

KB sent the emails to the FBI. the FBI was 'investigating'...we never heard the results of that investigation which I interpret as 'oops, Cindy DID forward them'.

Cindy behaves as if she is highly evolved. she had a WEB EMAIL ACCOUNT: YAHOO....accessible from anywhere. DUH.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

I think it is very interesting that Kathy Belich, a reporter, sends those emails to the FBI. Not to the local police, but to the FBI. Why? Because it's a crime to lie to the FBI and I think those emails may just show that george and cindy did just that.

[Julie Dupree]

IMO they all lie.. only time either told the truth was about the smell in the car.. then they started lying about it..

No they will never explain the 31 days.. or the partying.. tattoo. death band on hair in car, grave wax on paper towel in trunk..the maggot evidence , the duct tape that matches tape on george's gas can.. there a lot they will NEVER be able to explain away..

I expect all the things you mentioned will be discussed, argued and then argued again...but the one remaining fact is that Casey is the only person that knew Caylee was missing for 31 days. This one fact is the only one they can not dispute, test, argue or change. I think this will be the "smoking gun" of the trial.

[Barbara fl.]

IMO they all lie.. only time either told the truth was about the smell in the car.. then they started lying about it..

No they will never explain the 31 days.. or the partying.. tattoo. death band on hair in car, grave wax on paper towel in trunk..the maggot evidence , the duct tape that matches tape on george's gas can.. there a lot they will NEVER be able to explain away..


Your right...and that's enough to hang Casey with....

Can not even imagine how the defense is going to get around all that...

[Pruddennce]

ITA! casey alone can put the nails in her own coffin.. However mommy and daddy are helping..

Everyone in the A's camp are LAIRS.. Not one tell the truth including bc.. Hope he's making enough money off of them.. I know I sure wouldn't want to hire him..Hope his rep was well worth defending these people..

dc's investiagtion....lol..probably went as far as what cindy told him to say..I wonder if we are ever going to see dc's phone records from nov.. I will not be conviced that it wasn't cindy that was telling dc where to look for Caylee at.. if phone records prove me wrong then ok.. but imo it came from cindy..

what I am interesting in seeing: Casey's texts to and from Cindy. CIndy claims she was texting her, in contact with her DAILY. Phone calls out? we havent seen her records. what we have is carefully excised records of Casey regarding communication with Cindy.

I have various thoughts as to why her texts were excluded except for the "GO TO MYSPACE" alert to Casey's phone several times in July and IIRC, 'problem with the car, call me' on the day they went and got the car.

...as well as GA's and more importantly, Lee's. glaringly omitted.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[happygert]

I expect all the things you mentioned will be discussed, argued and then argued again...but the one remaining fact is that Casey is the only person that knew Caylee was missing for 31 days. This one fact is the only one they can not dispute, test, argue or change. I think this will be the "smoking gun" of the trial.

It could very well be right...

[happygert]

what I am interesting in seeing: Casey's texts to and from Cindy. CIndy claims she was texting her, in contact with her DAILY. Phone calls out? we havent seen her records. what we have is carefully excised records of Casey regarding communication with Cindy.

I have various thoughts as to why her texts were excluded except for the "GO TO MYSPACE" alert to Casey's phone several times in July and IIRC, 'problem with the car, call me' on the day they went and got the car.

...as well as GA's and more importantly, Lee's. glaringly omitted.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Yes Forgot about that.. those will be very interesting..

[Pruddennce]

I expect all the things you mentioned will be discussed, argued and then argued again...but the one remaining fact is that Casey is the only person that knew Caylee was missing for 31 days. This one fact is the only one they can not dispute, test, argue or change. I think this will be the "smoking gun" of the trial.

which of course, will not prevent the defense from opening their argument with: TWO PEOPLE KNEW SHE WAS KIDNAPPED....

and then the trial will continue and they wont be able to produce those two people she 'confided' in....quite similar to Geragos in his opening about Scott Peterson and who knew about the boat...then Geragos fails to call 'the witness who knew'.

I predict the same. Juliet and Jeff (the Jeff with a child) will be spoken about as 'witnesses' and of course, will not be produced.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[Julie Dupree]

what I am interesting in seeing: Casey's texts to and from Cindy. CIndy claims she was texting her, in contact with her DAILY. Phone calls out? we havent seen her records. what we have is carefully excised records of Casey regarding communication with Cindy.

I have various thoughts as to why her texts were excluded except for the "GO TO MYSPACE" alert to Casey's phone several times in July and IIRC, 'problem with the car, call me' on the day they went and got the car.

...as well as GA's and more importantly, Lee's. glaringly omitted.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

I also wonder what phone Cindy was using while in "daily contact" with Casey. We have seen Casey's incoming calls. It does show lots of calls coming from Cindy's cell or the Anthony residence, it does not indicate that Casey took many of those calls.
Maybe if we could see the call report from Cindy's phone we would get a better idea, but I doubt it.

[Pruddennce]

Yes Forgot about that.. those will be very interesting..

the thought has crossed my mind that cindy accused Casey of doing something to Caylee, via text.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[Julie Dupree]

which of course, will not prevent the defense from opening their argument with: TWO PEOPLE KNEW SHE WAS KIDNAPPED....

and then the trial will continue and they wont be able to produce those two people she 'confided' in....quite similar to Geragos in his opening about Scott Peterson and who knew about the boat...then Geragos fails to call 'the witness who knew'.

I predict the same. Juliet and Jeff (the Jeff with a child) will be spoken about as 'witnesses' and of course, will not be produced.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

How, or why, would they even mention these people if they can not produce them to verify the story?
I think that would not be a very good decision for them.
:) but lets face it, this bunch is not known for making good decisions.

[seeing_eye]

I think you are right about this, but I wonder how they could prove it since they do not know if it was placed there before or after Caylee was killed?

I don't think they actually have to prove exactly how she died, just that Casey is the one who did it.

[Julie Dupree]

I don't think they actually have to prove exactly how she died, just that Casey is the one who did it.

It will be interesting to see how murder weapon, crime scene, and time of death (or lack thereof) will be explained...but both sides.

[Pruddennce]

I also wonder what phone Cindy was using while in "daily contact" with Casey. We have seen Casey's incoming calls. It does show lots of calls coming from Cindy's cell or the Anthony residence, it does not indicate that Casey took many of those calls.
Maybe if we could see the call report from Cindy's phone we would get a better idea, but I doubt it.

thanks for reminding me of one thing Julie: Cindy cleaned up her phone by the time LE got around to asking to dump it. IMO

texts of Casey's were gathered from her friends' phones. surely, if Cindy was texting, Casey possibly deleted them.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[Scampi]

I think this defense team must put up some sort of mental defense for casey. That is the only thing that even comes close to explaining not reporting her daughter missing for 31 days.

I am very much looking forward to lyon's motion to take the DP off the table. In that motion, imo, we will get a look at what defense they are considering.

[Pruddennce]

How, or why, would they even mention these people if they can not produce them to verify the story?
I think that would not be a very good decision for them.
:) but lets face it, this bunch is not known for making good decisions.

:D they can state alot of things in opening, as it isnt 'evidence', just a roadmap. and we all know JB isnt one to stay on the road.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[nana6]

Neid_77 posted this link :
Trenton Duckett Memorial (http://www.wftv.com/video/20601918/index.html)
Cindy and George were there yesterday I think, wearing the shirts

I watched and I sure do not get it??? Caylee is NoT MISSING Cindy and George!!!!

[101Spots]

I think this defense team must put up some sort of mental defense for casey. That is the only thing that even comes close to explaining not reporting her daughter missing for 31 days.

I am very much looking forward to lyon's motion to take the DP off the table. In that motion, imo, we will get a look at what defense they are considering.

I missed this the first [few] times I read it. She's apparently filing a motion that claims the murder charges should be dropped, not the DP. Let's just erase the whole murder thing. Can't be proved, blah blah blah.

We had an informal poll up for under/over 100 pages on this motion. So far all votes are for over 100 pages.

[happygert]

the thought has crossed my mind that cindy accused Casey of doing something to Caylee, via text.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

Pru thats a good thought.. dang now i want those records..... turned me into " I want again "......lol

[Julie Dupree]

I think this defense team must put up some sort of mental defense for casey. That is the only thing that even comes close to explaining not reporting her daughter missing for 31 days.

I am very much looking forward to lyon's motion to take the DP off the table. In that motion, imo, we will get a look at what defense they are considering.

I guess I misunderstood what her motion was...I thought it was a motion to get the murder indictment throw out. She does not believe there is enough evidence for Casey to be charged with murder 1.
But I am probably wrong about this too...I sometimes do not read as carefully as I should.

[Julie Dupree]

:D they can state alot of things in opening, as it isnt 'evidence', just a roadmap. and we all know JB isnt one to stay on the road.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*


Maybe he will make this one of his "AHHHH moments"

[happygert]

I watched and I sure do not get it??? Caylee is NoT MISSING Cindy and George!!!!

Exactly.....nor was she ever "MISSING" casey knew exactly where she was and imo so did cindy and george.. that why the fit with Tim Miller she wanted him searching fo a live Caylee not a dead one.. IMO she threw one heck of a fit when they got too close to Caylee's body.. thats why all the bad mouthing of Tim.. called him a drunk ,said he stold money from her.. etc..

[Julie Dupree]

I missed this the first [few] times I read it. She's apparently filing a motion that claims the murder charges should be dropped, not the DP. Let's just erase the whole murder thing. Can't be proved, blah blah blah.

We had an informal poll up for under/over 100 pages on this motion. So far all votes are for over 100 pages.

I think for her to say "good morning class" would take her 100 pages...she is surely "wordy" (is that a word?)?

[101Spots]

I think for her to say "good morning class" would take her 100 pages...she is surely "wordy" (is that a word?)?

Yes, "wordy" is a word. So is "blowhard." And "windbag."

[Julie Dupree]

Doesn't reading this make you want to barf...

JOSE BAEZ, ATTORNEY FOR MOTHER OF MISSING TODDLER: Well, actually -- thank you, Jane, for having me. I can honestly say that, first off, I haven`t been turned over any type of conversations or discussions that she`s had with police, but I can honestly tell you that in this business, you can`t believe everything you read in a police report. Otherwise everyone...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, the boyfriend says -- the boyfriend says she was living with him and she never told him that her baby was missing. Meantime, she has reportedly told police that she was doing her own investigation into the disappearance of her daughter and that`s why she didn`t call the cops. You`d think she`d tell the boyfriend she was living with.

BAEZ: Well, I can tell you that, based on my conversations with my client, what we ended up discovering, based on these conversations, was that there`s actually a very reasonable explanation for this whole delay in reporting the incident...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I want to hear that.

BAEZ: ... or the kidnapping.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I want to hear that reasonable explanation.

BAEZ: Unfortunately, she is under criminal charges at this time. I cannot disclose any of the specific discussions that I`ve had with my client that would possibly lead to a defense. The prosecution nor the police are not telling me everything they know, and I certainly don`t think that as -- launching a proper defense would be disclosing every single thing that we know.

[legalmania]

Your right...and that's enough to hang Casey with....

Can not even imagine how the defense is going to get around all that...

IMO the prosecutions case is not as cut and dry as it could be. There is a lot of questionable evidence. Now don't everybody jump on me at once, I fighting the swine flu.

[Julie Dupree]

Hummm!!!! Guess everyone really did get as sick as I did reading about how JB was buying Casey's lies about everyone being threatened.

Anyway, I was reading this on another thread and found it interesting.
I am hoping that desmom or Sun have in their personal link arsenal information on one of these statements..the one about Roy Kronk being a bounty hunter???
Do either of you know if this is true???



Gayle St. John video, again for the conspiracy theorists, a perfect instruction guide on where to dispose of it. http://psychicgalestjohn.com/blinddrive.htm

Roy Kronk first call to LE was August 11, 2008; exact same day St. John shot her video of the exact spot remains were found. Video was not made public until after December 11, 2008.

St. John has a show called the Body Hunter; Kronk is a former Bounty Hunter.......

Expect the Defense to make much of these facts in their scenario that Casey is innocent because,(as they have argued in Court), the body wasn't there until after Casey was in jail. JMO

[True2Blues]

Unfortunately jose isn't the only problem, linda kenney baden was, in my opinion, very disrespectful towards many of the witnesses in the spector I trial.

I will never forget her loud yelling at the witnesses and her refusal to address the woman forensic doctor as a doctor, instead referring to her as "Miss." Such discourtesy is not lost on juries, imo.

Whereas lyon seems to have more intelligence then the other two, I think she has the potential to be just as annoying.

You're right on every point. LKB braying in the face of witnesses is a memory I'd like to get rid of, but I can still see and hear her.

[True2Blues]

Doesn't reading this make you want to barf...

JOSE BAEZ, ATTORNEY FOR MOTHER OF MISSING TODDLER: Well, actually -- thank you, Jane, for having me. I can honestly say that, first off, I haven`t been turned over any type of conversations or discussions that she`s had with police, but I can honestly tell you that in this business, you can`t believe everything you read in a police report. Otherwise everyone...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, the boyfriend says -- the boyfriend says she was living with him and she never told him that her baby was missing. Meantime, she has reportedly told police that she was doing her own investigation into the disappearance of her daughter and that`s why she didn`t call the cops. You`d think she`d tell the boyfriend she was living with.

BAEZ: Well, I can tell you that, based on my conversations with my client, what we ended up discovering, based on these conversations, was that there`s actually a very reasonable explanation for this whole delay in reporting the incident...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I want to hear that.

BAEZ: ... or the kidnapping.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I want to hear that reasonable explanation.

BAEZ: Unfortunately, she is under criminal charges at this time. I cannot disclose any of the specific discussions that I`ve had with my client that would possibly lead to a defense. The prosecution nor the police are not telling me everything they know, and I certainly don`t think that as -- launching a proper defense would be disclosing every single thing that we know.


If she wasn't in the hospital in a coma from injuries suffered when a gang of kidnappers beat her unconscious to grab her child from her arms, there is no excuse for a 30 day delay.

And we all know it wasn't that.:mad:

[Julie Dupree]

If she wasn't in the hospital in a coma from injuries suffered when a gang of kidnappers beat her unconscious to grab her child from her arms, there is no excuse for a 30 day delay.

And we all know it wasn't that.:mad:


Amen!!!
You are sooo right!!!

[?WudScoobyDo]

IMO the prosecutions case is not as cut and dry as it could be. There is a lot of questionable evidence. Now don't everybody jump on me at once, I fighting the swine flu.


I won't jump on you. Why? Because you crack me up. But here you make a lot of sense. Get well soon.

[Julie Dupree]

IMO the prosecutions case is not as cut and dry as it could be. There is a lot of questionable evidence. Now don't everybody jump on me at once, I fighting the swine flu.

As much as I don't want to think about, I think you are right. I know Casey is a liar, a thief, and a sociopathic stupid party-hardy wild woman, but none of these things make her a killer. I hope the state (and I think they do) has more than what they have released so far.
Get better soon:)

[legalmania]

As much as I don't want to think about, I think you are right. I know Casey is a liar, a thief, and a sociopathic stupid party-hardy wild woman, but none of these things make her a killer. I hope the state (and I think they do) has more than what they have released so far.
Get better soon:)

Thanks Julie, I feel really bad, but I have to sit up so I might as well type. I really think they should go ahead with the check/forgery/fraud case. I believe this will help fill in a lot of missing time. This would give the prosecution time to find witnesses that maybe they missed. It would help fill in that 31 days which is a big factor. I still think there was a second person involved. IMO.

[Barbara fl.]

I watched and I sure do not get it??? Caylee is NoT MISSING Cindy and George!!!!


They knew it was going to be publicized, they love to be in front of the camera....

I guess they figure if they can not get media attention for Caylee they will get it one way or the other....They are full of it, Kidfinders probably told them to show their face...

Money, money, money...(Cindy's motto)

[Barbara fl.]

IMO the prosecutions case is not as cut and dry as it could be. There is a lot of questionable evidence. Now don't everybody jump on me at once, I fighting the swine flu.


First, take care of yourself :rose: I took my little guy to the er this morning for the symptoms but they said it's just a virus...

But getting to the questionable evidence...The only evidence that I see as being questionable is the oposite opinions by the experts as to whether it is real scientific evidence or junk science....and I really don't think the jury will buy the defense's argument with all the FACTS in this case.....My opinion (I know it wont hold any water) is that the facts in this case are what they are, the defense can not back up that 911 call to be anywhere near less then 31 days....the defense will not be able to retract Casey saying she turned Caylee over to a non existing nanny...and they wont be able to add on to Casey's phone records a number to remotely be a nanny.....

And lets not forget that when Casey claimed to be looking for Caylee she was partying in a club.....I doubt that any jury could possibly be swayed by a forensic scientist (especially one that has been caught in lies previously) that is going to say that the body could POSSIBLY have been moved while Casey was in jail...because they wont be able to say or prove that it was moved without a doubt.....JMO

I hope you feel better soon....

[legalmania]

Well I don't feel good so I better rest, Caylee my love we all miss you ,let me dedicated this song to you. I thought it would be appropriate for little Donnie Osmond to sing it.

---------------
Now playing: Andy Williams - You Are My Sunshine (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/andy_williams/track/you_are_my_sunshine)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

[Barbara fl.]

As much as I don't want to think about, I think you are right. I know Casey is a liar, a thief, and a sociopathic stupid party-hardy wild woman, but none of these things make her a killer. I hope the state (and I think they do) has more than what they have released so far.
Get better soon:)


I doubt that the state is holding back any evidence...We all followed this case pretty well and witnessed all that was going on as it was happening....and we all were wondering when LE was going to make the arrest of Casey with just what we were watching....It was enough for us and you have to remember "we are the potential juror's"....And you have to admit this was one of the few cases where all posters agreed :wink: with her guilt....

So, yes, I think that we have convicted Casey and justifiably so....

[101Spots]

First, take care of yourself :rose: I took my little guy to the er this morning for the symptoms but they said it's just a virus...

But getting to the questionable evidence...The only evidence that I see as being questionable is the oposite opinions by the experts as to whether it is real scientific evidence or junk science....and I really don't think the jury will buy the defense's argument with all the FACTS in this case.....My opinion (I know it wont hold any water) is that the facts in this case are what they are, the defense can not back up that 911 call to be anywhere near less then 31 days....the defense will not be able to retract Casey saying she turned Caylee over to a non existing nanny...and they wont be able to add on to Casey's phone records a number to remotely be a nanny.....

And lets not forget that when Casey claimed to be looking for Caylee she was partying in a club.....I doubt that any jury could possibly be swayed by a forensic scientist (especially one that has been caught in lies previously) that is going to say that the body could POSSIBLY have been moved while Casey was in jail...because they wont be able to say or prove that it was moved without a doubt.....JMO

I hope you feel better soon....

I can see where some of the newer science may be less than etched-in-concrete. And, no, there's no video of Casey doing the dirty deed. I think it will come down to the sheer totality of all the evidence. I'll take a "probably chloroform" and add that to "google: chloroform" and put that in reserve in the back of my mind. Then add in the indisputables (31 days, no nanny, partying, lying, etc.) and I think there's no reasonable doubt.

Given everything we know - even if the jury only learns the most important pieces - could you seriously make a case that someone else did it? If you can, I'd like to hear who you suspect and why.

[Barbara fl.]

I can see where some of the newer science may be less than etched-in-concrete. And, no, there's no video of Casey doing the dirty deed. I think it will come down to the sheer totality of all the evidence. I'll take a "probably chloroform" and add that to "google: chloroform" and put that in reserve in the back of my mind. Then add in the indisputables (31 days, no nanny, partying, lying, etc.) and I think there's no reasonable doubt.

Given everything we know - even if the jury only learns the most important pieces - could you seriously make a case that someone else did it? If you can, I'd like to hear who you suspect and why.


There is just no way....it all points to Casey without a doubt....

[Julie Dupree]

Thanks Julie, I feel really bad, but I have to sit up so I might as well type. I really think they should go ahead with the check/forgery/fraud case. I believe this will help fill in a lot of missing time. This would give the prosecution time to find witnesses that maybe they missed. It would help fill in that 31 days which is a big factor. I still think there was a second person involved. IMO.

The majority of the posters on this sight seem to think Casey is the only person involved. I have read other sites that think there was at least one other person that was involved to some degree. I have many questions that might tend to point to both theories.
I tend to agree with one of her friends (can't remember which one) that said she was not smart enough to have carried this out by herself. But on the other hand, she really did not have that many people that she trusted enough to confide this sort of thing. She was really a loner in that respect. She collected people, but not close friends that she was herself with.
Oh well, guess time will tell part of the story. I don't think we will ever know the entire story.

[Barbara fl.]

The majority of the posters on this sight seem to think Casey is the only person involved. I have read other sites that think there was at least one other person that was involved to some degree. I have many questions that might tend to point to both theories.
I tend to agree with one of her friends (can't remember which one) that said she was not smart enough to have carried this out by herself. But on the other hand, she really did not have that many people that she trusted enough to confide this sort of thing. She was really a loner in that respect. She collected people, but not close friends that she was herself with.
Oh well, guess time will tell part of the story. I don't think we will ever know the entire story.


Just one small question.....In what respect was Casey smart in pulling this off?

[Julie Dupree]

Just one small question.....In what respect was Casey smart in pulling this off?

Not sure what you are asking....I do not think Casey is smart enough to come in out of the rain, much less pull off something like this.
Apparently one of her so called friends felt the same way. I was merely agreeing with that person.

[101Spots]

Just one small question.....In what respect was Casey smart in pulling this off?

I'm not seeing any smarts. I think she just got lucky here and there (dump site flooding), and the rest was blatantly stupid (getting videotaped having fun, telling too many different stories, stealing and obviously cashing Amy's checks, etc.). Einstein she ain't.

[Julie Dupree]

I'm not seeing any smarts. I think she just got lucky here and there (dump site flooding), and the rest was blatantly stupid (getting videotaped having fun, telling too many different stories, stealing and obviously cashing Amy's checks, etc.). Einstein she ain't.

Seemed she got videotaped doing a lot of things that have proven to be a very stupid thing....to bad the one really bad thing that she did was not caught on video. But maybe there is enough that was caught on tape to put a few nails in her coffin.

[ttcRider]

I'm not seeing any smarts. I think she just got lucky here and there (dump site flooding), and the rest was blatantly stupid (getting videotaped having fun, telling too many different stories, stealing and obviously cashing Amy's checks, etc.). Einstein she ain't.

I think she's smart for not having G & C come visit, gawd knows what they would be spewing then! :laugh:

[Holden]

I'm not seeing any smarts. I think she just got lucky here and there (dump site flooding), and the rest was blatantly stupid (getting videotaped having fun, telling too many different stories, stealing and obviously cashing Amy's checks, etc.). Einstein she ain't.

I agree. casey is not smart, but she was a little lucky. I believe her biggest trait though is laziness. She is such a lazy girl. She could have taken baby Caylee out of state, dumped the body anywhere. She had 31 days to accomplish this, but what did she do? The easiest thing she could think of. Not caring one whit about her parents, her brother, anyone at all, she dumped that poor baby's body in woods that were familiar to her. She didn't even have to walk in far from the road. Goodness no! She might have gotten her little shoes wet. She's a minimally smart, slightly lucky, very, very lazy murderer. :thumbdown:

[101Spots]

I agree. casey is not smart, but she was a little lucky. I believe her biggest trait though is laziness. She is such a lazy girl. She could have taken baby Caylee out of state, dumped the body anywhere. She had 31 days to accomplish this, but what did she do? The easiest thing she could think of. Not caring one whit about her parents, her brother, anyone at all, she dumped that poor baby's body in woods that were familiar to her. She didn't even have to walk in far from the road. Goodness no! She might have gotten her little shoes wet. She's a minimally smart, slightly lucky, very, very lazy murderer. :thumbdown:

Yup, she's lazy. For which I am grateful.

[bchand]

I doubt that the state is holding back any evidence...We all followed this case pretty well and witnessed all that was going on as it was happening....and we all were wondering when LE was going to make the arrest of Casey with just what we were watching....It was enough for us and you have to remember "we are the potential juror's"....And you have to admit this was one of the few cases where all posters agreed :wink: with her guilt....

So, yes, I think that we have convicted Casey and justifiably so....

I was thinking of you yesterday when that FL jury came back after only 5 hrs with a guilty verdict on one of the monsters charged with unspeakable crimes against a mother and her teenage son.

Go FL juries !!

[msgatorslayer]

I was thinking of you yesterday when that FL jury came back after only 5 hrs with a guilty verdict on one of the monsters charged with unspeakable crimes against a mother and her teenage son.

Go FL juries !!

Actually, it was 2 hrs 5 min and 26 seconds.:biggrin:

[Julie Dupree]

Actually, it was 2 hrs 5 min and 26 seconds.:biggrin:

Do you think it will take the jury this long to bring back a verdict for Casey?:)

[bchand]

Actually, it was 2 hrs 5 min and 26 seconds.:biggrin:

Was it? I read 5 hrs for the first guy.

Even better news !!

[msgatorslayer]

Was it? I read 5 hrs for the first guy.

Even better news !!

OOOPS! Sorry, wrong case. I just now noticed you said "Mother and teenage Son". Where was that case?

I was talking about the King case in Sarasota.

[101Spots]

Do you think it will take the jury this long to bring back a verdict for Casey?:)

Let's see........ 20 min to order lunch, 45 min wait/discuss, 30 min to eat, 15 min bathroom break, 15 min smoke break, 10 min to fill out the papers,........ Oh, it could be close.

[msgatorslayer]

Do you think it will take the jury this long to bring back a verdict for Casey?:)

I hope it doesn't take them that long. But I'm bad at making guesses in this department. The juries usually take longer than what I feel they need, lol.

[Julie Dupree]

Let's see........ 20 min to order lunch, 45 min wait/discuss, 30 min to eat, 15 min bathroom break, 15 min smoke break, 10 min to fill out the papers,........ Oh, it could be close.

:) I think you have listed everything with very good time allotments.
I do not see this portion of the trial taking very long at all.

[bchand]

OOOPS! Sorry, wrong case. I just now noticed you said "Mother and teenage Son". Where was that case?

I was talking about the King case in Sarasota.

Ah ok. It's very hard to read about -

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/local_news/epaper/2009/08/28/0828dunbar.html

[101Spots]

OK, here's a interesting *possible* situation:

IF Jose does not submit the original of the "Privacy Agreement," and
IF someone files a complaint with the FL Bar Assoc, and
IF the Bar Assoc finds that Jose done wrong, and
IF they suspend his license or disbar him (for this or other actions) ......

What do you think would happen?

Would Jose be able to steer the ship from his office, not appearing in court?

Who would be steering?

[Dells]

Hi Des,
Sounds like a pretty weak defense to me ... if this is all they got, KC's surely going to be found guilty! IMO

I so agree! I think also that even though the defense doesn't have to prove a thing or even put on any sort of defense, I think the jury is going to be wondering who took Caylee from Casey or just how Caylee got out of Casey's possession. I know I would. I couldn't help it, in the back of my mind I would wonder why they couldn't explain this fact that could help exonerate her and prove her innocence. If they didn't address it (w/a reasonable explanation, not the fake nanny did it or one of Casey's innocent friends) it would leave me feeling that she was guilty.

[msgatorslayer]

Ah ok. It's very hard to read about -

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/local_news/epaper/2009/08/28/0828dunbar.html

Oh, thanks. I remember that case but didn't know it was at the trial stage. Another case where there was no doubt that a conviction would be made. I do wonder why the jury acquited on the charge of Mom and Son being forced into sex acts. Thats what I remember about this case. Horrible!!!

The case I was talking is a DP case.

[Julie Dupree]

I hope it doesn't take them that long. But I'm bad at making guesses in this department. The juries usually take longer than what I feel they need, lol.

The last time I had jury duty we had this one lady that had to go to the bathroom every time we began the voting. When she came back, she would always vote the opposite from everyone else. She never was able to explain why, what she needed more clarification on, or nothing about why she was voting like she was. Everyone but her thought the person deserved the DUI he had received. (It was his 9th one)
I thought we would never get out of there.
Someone finally came up with the brilliant idea to tell her just the opposite, she voted with us and we got to leave:)
This one took much longer than was necessary, but I think Spots time line is much more applicable to the jury for Casey's case.

[Dells]

Hi Pam,
That's my take on it too ... sounds like she's arguing the case which should be done at trial ...

Also, does anyone else think this is just a ploy to force the state to turn over the rest of the evidence they have?

Bolding mine....

I'm beginning to now that you've mentioned it....

[bchand]

Bold by me...

Good evening..
Boy, I tell you. Every time I see that posted it makes me so angry all over again at CINDY!

Cindy jumped on that "Junk Science" carp as soon as it came out of the mouth of either JB or LKB..Must have been told to JB and he must have been blabbing it. He wouldn't think it on his own, we all know.
Cindy listens to whatever she can coming from the defense side and blabs it on national television like she's some expert.
Heck, she needs to take an RN class again and leave the big legal stuff to the big boys.
She claims she doesn't know what decomposition is or smells like.
:ohmy: Oh wait, I stand corrected. It smells like "Pizza.":sneaky:

Ahhhh, don't pay any attention to Cindy. She hasn't been right about anything in this case. Not a thing !

She's either lied or has refused to accept the truth.

[Julie Dupree]

Bold by me...

Good evening..
Boy, I tell you. Every time I see that posted it makes me so angry all over again at CINDY!

Cindy jumped on that "Junk Science" carp as soon as it came out of the mouth of either JB or LKB..Must have been told to JB and he must have been blabbing it. He wouldn't think it on his own, we all know.
Cindy listens to whatever she can coming from the defense side and blabs it on national television like she's some expert.
Heck, she needs to take an RN class again and leave the big legal stuff to the big boys.
She claims she doesn't know what decomposition is or smells like.
:ohmy: Oh wait, I stand corrected. It smells like "Pizza.":sneaky:

Didn't she at one point describe herself as a "decomposition nurse"

[Julie Dupree]

OK, here's a interesting *possible* situation:

IF Jose does not submit the original of the "Privacy Agreement," and
IF someone files a complaint with the FL Bar Assoc, and
IF the Bar Assoc finds that Jose done wrong, and
IF they suspend his license or disbar him (for this or other actions) ......

What do you think would happen?

Would Jose be able to steer the ship from his office, not appearing in court?

Who would be steering?

Since he would no longer be an officer of the court, how could he steer anything?
Maybe AL would became lead attorney in every way not just in passing.

[101Spots]

I'm no expert by all means but I think wittle Jose's ship would sink totally. Casey would have to get another attorney, I'm thinking.
It's like a doctor losing his license to practice. Jose couldn't work out of an out house.:biggrinjester:

Yea!

Boo, hiss!

While I personally would get a grand laugh out of Jose having to eat his high profile, this would delay the trial another 6-10 months.

How many think LKB would grab first chair? Macaluso? Lyon?

[AbbyNormal]

Didn't she at one point describe herself as a "decomposition nurse":laugh: That is one of my favorite Cindyisms. During an interview, she describes the smell in the car. "There was an odor, I'm a nurse, of decomposition....."

Here's another one - "There's a lot of evidence out there that's not evidence yet". (FBI interview, late July)

[ttcRider]

How often would a nurse of decomp be called upon? :w00t: At that point I dont think its a nurse you're looking for!

[SilentTears]

And lets not forget that when Casey claimed to be looking for Caylee she was partying in a club.....I doubt that any jury could possibly be swayed by a forensic scientist (especially one that has been caught in lies previously) that is going to say that the body could POSSIBLY have been moved while Casey was in jail...because they wont be able to say or prove that it was moved without a doubt.....JMO

Bolding mine. Will the prosecution be able to bring that up during the trial? I understand that they have expert witnesses talk about their credentials, will the prosecution at that time be able to ask about how they performed in previous trials?

Thanks

[seeing_eye]

Didn't she at one point describe herself as a "decomposition nurse"

I think she said she was a nurse OF decomposition (or was it decomposed nurse?). :unsure:

[msgatorslayer]

I so agree! I think also that even though the defense doesn't have to prove a thing or even put on any sort of defense, I think the jury is going to be wondering who took Caylee from Casey or just how Caylee got out of Casey's possession. I know I would.
I couldn't help it, in the back of my mind I would wonder why they couldn't explain this fact that could help exonerate her and prove her innocence. If they didn't address it (w/a reasonable explanation, not the fake nanny did it or one of Casey's innocent friends) it would leave me feeling that she was guilty.

Right! And the defense is outta luck giving a reasonable answer to that. Casey said Zanny was the 'last person she saw with her Daughter'. She showed LE where Zanny lived. Where Zanny's Mommy lived. She gave descriptions. Addresses and phone numbers. All big, elaborate lies. Proven!! The Nanny, her Mom, and everything in between having to do with them do not exist. Including their phones!

Next to toss under the bus are the guys in Casey's life. Hey, at least they exist!!! That's a huge bonus right there. :thumbup: It will be interesting to hear how these 2 innocent men are spun into this case.

[TunaMelt]

Do you think it will take the jury this long to bring back a verdict for Casey?:)
My guess is that it will take longer than we'd like, longer than we feel necessary...maybe there will be one juror or two who try to be open minded in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary...and it will seem like months that they're out, to us -- but they'll come back eventually with a guilty verdict.

It will be a nail biter, everyone will be tense, Coldwater will have to come on and tell us to watch it or else -- nothing good comes easily, like a guilty verdict for KC Anthony.

But it will come.

:)

[seeing_eye]

I think she's smart for not having G & C come visit, gawd knows what they would be spewing then! :laugh:

I don't think Casey was smart at all. And I don't think it's her idea not to see her family. I think that's all Jose's idea (and that may be the one smart thing he's done). Every time C&G open their mouths, they hurt Casey's case. The dumbest thing Jose did was refuse a gag order in the beginning of this. So that may make Jose as dumb as Casey. Every thing about this case has been dumb, dumb, and dumber! That's the reason I don't believe Casey had any help since no one else could be "that" dumb.

[djmsmom]

I don't think Casey was smart at all. And I don't think it's her idea not to see her family. I think that's all Jose's idea (and that may be the one smart thing he's done). Every time C&G open their mouths, they hurt Casey's case. The dumbest thing Jose did was refuse a gag order in the beginning of this. So that may make Jose as dumb as Casey. Every thing about this case has been dumb, dumb, and dumber! That's the reason I don't believe Casey had any help since no one else could be "that" dumb.

I think in the beginning that JB didn't want C and G to visit Casey, but now Casey doesn't want to see them and they don't want to see her. Casey is furious that they are enjoying their "fame" while she's still locked up.

[sully]

I think in the beginning that JB didn't want C and G to visit Casey, but now Casey doesn't want to see them and they don't want to see her. Casey is furious that they are enjoying their "fame" while she's still locked up.

IMO KC is a control freak like her mother and is enjoying every minute of it. She saw her father put his hands together at the hearing and pitifully mouth I love you or something like that. And whether she acknowledged Cindy or not - she saw her mother craning her neck trying to connect with her after the hearing, I think she is thoroughly enjoying every minute she thinks they are miserable. I wonder if she knows that the bald guy sitting with Cindy at the hearings is an NBC producer!!:laugh:

[myownopera]

I think in the beginning that JB didn't want C and G to visit Casey, but now Casey doesn't want to see them and they don't want to see her. Casey is furious that they are enjoying their "fame" while she's still locked up.

I really can't believe that Cindy does not want to see Casey -- look at the way she almost had a "fit" to even lay eyes on the OC at the last hearing === She almost pushed everyone in front of her out of the way -- I still think they are communicating through written letters -- I guess OD can write, right????


JMOO

[happygert]

I was thinking of you yesterday when that FL jury came back after only 5 hrs with a guilty verdict on one of the monsters charged with unspeakable crimes against a mother and her teenage son.

Go FL juries !!

Yes there was another guilty verdict in Fl yesterday in the king case found guilty of murdering Denise Lee only after 2 hours.. go fl go.. they had his car there and jurors got to look inside it. hope casey's makes it to the courthouse..

[happygert]

I wonder if Casey gets hundreds of letters that tell her how much George and Cindy are enjoying the proceeds of Caylee's death. (daily) Casey was so busy being a cheater, a thief, a bad friend, and the biggest liar ever on this earth she had no Idea what would happen after she murdered Caylee.
Casey thought she would just explain there was a Zanny and she stole Caylee and that would be it.
She screwed up when she said Caylee had been gone for 31 days and she did nothing about it.
So many lies in a small amount of time.
She's dead in the water after this trial.
Can't wait for O/S and C/A... You go JB.:tonguewag:
I sure hope they run this trial live...

I just wonder if they send her any money for pork rinds...:tonguewag:

[djmsmom]

I just wonder if they send her any money for pork rinds...:tonguewag:

oh i'm sure they send her money after all they can thank her for their new money.

[sully]

I really can't believe that Cindy does not want to see Casey -- look at the way she almost had a "fit" to even lay eyes on the OC at the last hearing === She almost pushed everyone in front of her out of the way -- I still think they are communicating through written letters -- I guess OD can write, right????


JMOO

I think Cindy would see KC in a heartbeat! It would be more material for whatever they are doing with the producer! And did we ever figure out why the A's had to get up and move a row back after they had been seated?:confused:

[happygert]

I really can't believe that Cindy does not want to see Casey -- look at the way she almost had a "fit" to even lay eyes on the OC at the last hearing === She almost pushed everyone in front of her out of the way -- I still think they are communicating through written letters -- I guess OD can write, right????


JMOO

Oh im sure they are.. Wouldn't be surprised if they aren't using web cams either.. My daughter just got a new laptop.. theres a tiny camera that no one knows it there.. she had to show me it. it looks like a tiny little whole.. on top right hand about an inch away from corner... its built right in top of computer.. :sneaky:

[happygert]

oh i'm sure they send her money after all they can thank her for their new money.

I don't know cindy seems greedy to me.. wants it all to herself.. IMO she bargin shops for casey's clothes..so she dont have to spend much on her.. wonder how many outfits she will wear during her trial.. my guess is 3.. or maybe she'll mix and match to make it look like 5......or maybe cindy will just grab some out of her closet.

[djmsmom]

I don't know cindy seems greedy to me.. wants it all to herself.. IMO she bargin shops for casey's clothes..so she dont have to spend much on her.. wonder how many outfits she will wear during her trial.. my guess is 3.. or maybe she'll mix and match to make it look like 5......or maybe cindy will just grab some out of her closet.

Maybe that's why Casey won't speak to Cindy because of the ugly clothes she keeps sending. I can hear Cindy now "but sweetheart they want you to dress down".

[101Spots]

Did I not read that Cindy took Casey on a huge shopping spree right after she was bailed out the first time they arrested her for Child neglect?:confused:
I am surprised that Jose did not tell Casey that was not the end when she was bailed out. I'm surprised he didn't tell her 99.999% she would be arrested again and spend time in jail. (murder)
Casey should have known that from where she threw Caylee. So close to everyone and home.

Cindy took Dakota on a $500 shopping spree. I had not heard about Casey getting her turn.

Casey seemed to arrange her own shopping sprees.

[sammy62]

The majority of the posters on this sight seem to think Casey is the only person involved. I have read other sites that think there was at least one other person that was involved to some degree. I have many questions that might tend to point to both theories.
I tend to agree with one of her friends (can't remember which one) that said she was not smart enough to have carried this out by herself. But on the other hand, she really did not have that many people that she trusted enough to confide this sort of thing. She was really a loner in that respect. She collected people, but not close friends that she was herself with.
Oh well, guess time will tell part of the story. I don't think we will ever know the entire story.

My only response to that remark....(Amy I believe said it), is that this is by far one of the stupidest carried out murders I've ever seen. So I think Casey was smart enough for this one.

sorry...should have kept reading first. Lots of the same messages.

[djmsmom]

Cindy took Dakota on a $500 shopping spree. I had not heard about Casey getting her turn.

Casey seemed to arrange her own shopping sprees.

ok why would cindy take Dakota shopping?

[101Spots]

My only response to that remark....(Amy I believe said it), is that this is by far one of the stupidest carried out murders I've ever seen. So I think Casey was smart enough for this one.

Touche'! :D

[101Spots]

ok why would cindy take Dakota shopping?

Casey was emailing Dakota, making nice-nice while Dakota believed Caylee was still alive.

Beyond that, :shrug:

Who understands half of what these people do?

[happygert]

Maybe that's why Casey won't speak to Cindy because of the ugly clothes she keeps sending. I can hear Cindy now "but sweetheart they want you to dress down".

roflamo....wonder where she's finding them at? goodwill probably has a better selection then what she bringing her..

[seeing_eye]

I really can't believe that Cindy does not want to see Casey -- look at the way she almost had a "fit" to even lay eyes on the OC at the last hearing === She almost pushed everyone in front of her out of the way -- I still think they are communicating through written letters -- I guess OD can write, right????


JMOO

As desperate as C&G seem to be to communicate with Casey, I doubt that they are communicating in any fashion. C&G maintain that it's their decision not to see Casey, but I believe they're lying in order to save face.

[happygert]

Did I not read that Cindy took Casey on a huge shopping spree right after she was bailed out the first time they arrested her for Child neglect?:confused:
I am surprised that Jose did not tell Casey that was not the end when she was bailed out. I'm surprised he didn't tell her 99.999% she would be arrested again and spend time in jail. (murder)
Casey should have known that from where she threw Caylee. So close to everyone and home.

It was Dakota Lois's granddaughter that cindy took shopping.. Theres a picture somewhere of Dakota and cindy..

[happygert]

Casey was emailing Dakota, making nice-nice while Dakota believed Caylee was still alive.

Beyond that, :shrug:

Who understands half of what these people do?

Yep. then something happened and cindy snapped on Lois..Think they seen the light..and cindy didn't like it..IIRC she also snapped on Dakota..

[bchand]

Casey was emailing Dakota, making nice-nice while Dakota believed Caylee was still alive.

Beyond that, :shrug:

Who understands half of what these people do?

Right. Besides, it most likely wasn't Cindy's money anyway. I'm sure the donations had started rolling in by then.

[happygert]

As desperate as C&G seem to be to communicate with Casey, I doubt that they are communicating in any fashion. C&G maintain that it's their decision not to see Casey, but I believe they're lying in order to save face.

I dont buy that cause bc made a comment about them wanting to see her .

[happygert]

Right. Besides, it most likely wasn't Cindy's money anyway. I'm sure the donations had started rolling in by then.

Exactly! from doantions and some of the money she scammed from TES..

[djmsmom]

I dont buy that cause bc made a comment about them wanting to see her .

IIRC BC made a comment on LKL that he seen no reason why they shouldn't visit Casey and Cindy gave him that SHUT UP look. Like he really said something really wrong. Some hidden story there.

[Jeepers]

Casey was emailing Dakota, making nice-nice while Dakota believed Caylee was still alive.

Beyond that, :shrug:

Who understands half of what these people do?

Good evening everyone! Does Lois still involve herself with Caylee's case? I have not seen anything about her in months. Just wondering.
Is Murt still around? We have been through some characters while trying to see that Caylee was found and Casey brought to justice.

With the evidense of the Casey and Tone at the video store on
June 16th. The time she spent with Riccardo and Amy. The nights friends saw her out partying. The items found in the trunk. The items missing from the A's house. Text messages from Cindy to Casey. Casey never reporting Caylee missing. Caylee lying to everyone about where Caylee was. She was taken from Sawgrass apts. She was taken at JBP. She had a script. She had dead squirrels on her car.
Then you throw in Science along with some of Cindy's junk science the dots will connect right back to CMA.
Remember when DNA was used in OJ's trial. It was also considered junk science back then. The outcome of OJ's trial is a whole nother story but I remember them trying to explain DNA to the jury and to the public.
I am not worried about Caylee getting her justice and Casey getting her too!

[101Spots]

IIRC BC made a comment on LKL that he seen no reason why they shouldn't visit Casey and Cindy gave him that SHUT UP look. Like he really said something really wrong. Some hidden story there.

You know, the main attraction is awful enough, but, oh! the side rings in this circus can curl your hair.

[happygert]

IIRC BC made a comment on LKL that he seen no reason why they shouldn't visit Casey and Cindy gave him that SHUT UP look. Like he really said something really wrong. Some hidden story there.

could be....

[djmsmom]

Exactly! from doantions and some of the money she scammed from TES..

That's sickening donated money to help find Caylee and Cindy is out shopping, seems they already knew there wasn't any use hunting for her. That's the last thing they wanted was to have Caylee found because they knew from day 31 she was dead.

[seeing_eye]

I dont buy that cause bc made a comment about them wanting to see her .

C & G have made statements several times they don't see her because of the jail house tapes. But it's my opinion it's because Bozo won't allow it.

[101Spots]

C & G have made statements several times they don't see her because of the jail house tapes. But it's my opinion it's because Bozo won't allow it.

...... and if Bozo won't allow it, then Casey won't allow it. I do think this is the way it's going down.

[seeing_eye]

...... and if Bozo won't allow it, then Casey won't allow it. I do think this is the way it's going down.

And because they can't communicate with Casey they are desperate for any kind of eye contact when in court.

[happygert]

That's sickening donated money to help find Caylee and Cindy is out shopping, seems they already knew there wasn't any use hunting for her. That's the last thing they wanted was to have Caylee found because they knew from day 31 she was dead.

Very sickening.. and whats more sickening is not one of the A's ever searched for Caylee, pleaded with the so called kidnappers to return her or even tried to set up a reward for her..
IMO cindy knew before the 31 days that Caylee was dead.. now they still use Caylee for their own personal gains..PRETTY SICKENING! using there dead granddaughter for their meal ticket..

[happygert]

C & G have made statements several times they don't see her because of the jail house tapes. But it's my opinion it's because Bozo won't allow it.

I agree ...it's because casey might say something that incriminates herself..

[Jeepers]

Very sickening.. and whats more sickening is not one of the A's ever searched for Caylee, pleaded with the so called kidnappers to return her or even tried to set up a reward for her..
IMO cindy knew before the 31 days that Caylee was dead.. now they still use Caylee for their own personal gains..PRETTY SICKENING! using there dead granddaughter for their meal ticket..

Yep, that is the way I see it too! Why should I get off my arse to look for something that is not lost. That is what that July 3 letter on Cindy's myspace was about. Cindy knew something bad was wrong.

[101Spots]

I agree ...it's because casey might say something that incriminates herself..

..... or that makes her look like an out-of-control, raging b1tch.

[djmsmom]

...... and if Bozo won't allow it, then Casey won't allow it. I do think this is the way it's going down.

That explains why they don't visit but that don't explain why Casey won't even look at them in court. Could it possibly be she feels shame for being a murderer and a theif?

[djmsmom]

Was it Grund or someone asked George after Caylee disappeared and Casey said she was kidnapped. He asked George why he was not out looking for his grand daughter and George said, "Why am I not out looking for her?" Because the wife told me not to."
Remember that?:sneaky:
Cindy knew there was no sense in looking for Caylee because she knew Caylee was dead, already. Y'all are correct. Cindy knew she was dead and they did not want anyone finding that little girls body.

I wonder how long it took Cindy to see that a missing Caylee could be a gold mine?

[Jeepers]

I wonder how long it took Cindy to see that a missing Caylee could be a gold mine?

As soon as the media contacted her and offered to pay for photo's and other images of the family. Cindy knew she was on to something good.

[101Spots]

As soon as the media contacted her and offered to pay for photo's and other images of the family. Cindy knew she was on to something good.

I would have given her a full 15 minutes, but you may be correct.

[AbbyNormal]

I wonder how long it took Cindy to see that a missing Caylee could be a gold mine?Didn't she register or copyright -- trademark -- (not sure of the correct legal term)??? -- Caylee's name early on? I think it might have been as early as the day after Caylee was reported missing.

Not sure how to look that up.

Yeah, I think Grandma knew very early in the game. jmo

[Jeepers]

Didn't she register or copyright -- trademark -- (not sure of the correct legal term)??? -- Caylee's name early on? I think it might have been as early as the day after Caylee was reported missing.

Not sure how to look that up.

Yeah, I think Grandma knew very early in the game. jmo

Yep, I forgot what happened to that but they tried to trademark so no one else could profit off of Caylee except them. It did not happen for some legal reasons.

[AbbyNormal]

Yep, I forgot what happened to that but they tried to trademark so no one else could profit off of Caylee except them. It did not happen for some legal reasons.Thanks! I didn't realize it didn't go through, but do remember it was filed early on.

[Jeepers]

Blood $$$$$. If she was any kind of a "real" compassionate Grandmother she would have made sure those pics went out to find her Grand baby and NOT charge for them. That would have been what any Grand mother would do. "JUST FIND MY GRAND DAUGHTER"
She smelled the money rolling in after that first contact.
Casey would have done the same thing had they contacted her. AND...Mommy dearest would not have seen any of it.

I understand it is a standard practice for TV networks to pay for this but Cindy and George were talk show stars. They were booked for pure entertainment purposes. Everyone knows they are liars and when the A's were booked on one their shows the network folks knew their rating were soar.
Cindy and George have never gave an honest account of what really happened to Caylee and who did it.
Honest, sincere, grieving parents/grandparents would make their plea for safe return get the information and pictures out there and refuse futher interviews requesting their privacy. Cindy could not wait to get on the tube and spew her viles venemous lies about everyone except her thieving, murdering offspring.

[Jeepers]

Thanks! I didn't realize it didn't go through, but do remember it was filed early on.

I don't remember all of what went on someone else on the board can tell in more details. The PR person (forget her name) the one that made the stupid flyers describing Caylee and what she liked to eat. That is when the Trademark first started appearing when she was around.

[myownopera]

<respectfully snipped for space>


Casey is like a bad faucet. She tries to put on the tears when she feels the need. This last court appearance made me think she does love her Dad.
What do you think.


I know everyone has said this over and over and I hate to repeat -- but I don't think there is any way Casey loves ANYONE but Casey -- that's the way, IMO she was brought up -- everyone catering to her -- No, I don't think she loves her dad -- I don't think she loves anyone but herself -- and only thinks of herself -- I don't think she can or ever will be any different!!! If she did not love that beautiful little girl, she cannot love anyone!! And I stand by MOO!!:cursing:

[Jeepers]

I know everyone has said this over and over and I hate to repeat -- but I don't think there is any way Casey loves ANYONE but Casey -- that's the way, IMO she was brought up -- everyone catering to her -- No, I don't think she loves her dad -- I don't think she loves anyone but herself -- and only thinks of herself -- I don't think she can or ever will be any different!!! If she did not love that beautiful little girl, she cannot love anyone!! And I stand by MOO!!:cursing:

This is has been said before also, the apple didn't fall far from the tree.
Like mother and daughter. Cindy feels the same way about Cindy.
Cindy only loves Cindy.

[Jeepers]

Very good point. I don't think they are turning down talk shows. What I do think is no one is interested anymore because nothing new is shared and it's all the same story. Spew full of lies and anything else they can make up to give or try to give doubt to the people watching. No one believes them at all. Not even the viewers.
I have not seen one thing from one person out there that has defended the Anthony's to date. (Except for family members and OH, the Milsteads)
In fact, I don't recall hearing them defend Casey, has anyone? They just hang out with them because they have the same thing in common. Scamming...

ITA! I am hoping their coffers dry up soon.

[seeing_eye]

I wonder how long it took Cindy to see that a missing Caylee could be a gold mine?

In the beginning, Cindy's only purpose was to protect Casey, but soon her purpose changed to moolah, moolah, moolah - and she pretty much forgot about protecting Casey. JMO

[Jeepers]

I am still waiting for the defense to add the dead squirrels that climbed into Casey's car to the witness list.
Rumour has it the squirrels have been corrupted by Baez & Co.

I have not seen them on NG or LKL yet. I am sure they will have a lot to say about Casey's alibi and her whereabouts.
I hope they write a book.

Last I heard they had retained attorneys, how unscrupulous this may sound it is rumoured Baez bribed them for just peanuts.

I hope the state realizes what Baez has done and can get the squirrels back on the right side of the law. Do you think Baez will get disbarred for tampering with nuts?

Good night everyone, say your prayers!

[seeing_eye]

I think Caylee was a threat to Casey. George is not. I do think it's possible for someone to care for another or think they do. To have some kind of feelings for another.
I understand you can't wrap your brain around the concept of Casey being able to care for anyone other than herself cause she murdered her daughter. I can appreciate that but perhaps she cares for her father. I know she hates her mother down deep inside. That's for sure!

Her Daddy and her was always in the dawg house every other day. This is obvious the way Cindy treats him in open public.

IIRC, after the deposition she was a biotch towards him. She also treated BC like he was beneath her.

In my opinion, this is where Casey comes in. Casey's days of being catered to stopped when Caylee came home. However, George continued calling her his little princess. Cindy completely changed once Caylee came home. (towards Casey) She started really barking at her from that day on. Casey was not there for her own daughter. Casey NEVER loved her daughter Caylee. Now that is for sure. The whole fam-damly is cold.
MOO

I seem to recall that it was George and Casey that didn't get along and was the main reason George moved out of the house (though only temporary). I could be wrong.

[AbbyNormal]

I am still waiting for the defense to add the dead squirrels that climbed into Casey's car to the witness list.
Rumour has it the squirrels have been corrupted by Baez & Co.

I have not seen them on NG or LKL yet. I am sure they will have a lot to say about Casey's alibi and her whereabouts.
I hope they write a book.

Last I heard they had retained attorneys, how unscrupulous this may sound it is rumoured Baez bribed them for just peanuts.

I hope the state realizes what Baez has done and can get the squirrels back on the right side of the law. Do you think Baez will get disbarred for tampering with nuts?

Good night everyone, say your prayers!:lol: Goodnight Jeepers

[farrahrani]

which of course, will not prevent the defense from opening their argument with: TWO PEOPLE KNEW SHE WAS KIDNAPPED....

and then the trial will continue and they wont be able to produce those two people she 'confided' in....quite similar to Geragos in his opening about Scott Peterson and who knew about the boat...then Geragos fails to call 'the witness who knew'.

I predict the same. Juliet and Jeff (the Jeff with a child) will be spoken about as 'witnesses' and of course, will not be produced.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

Can Juliet and Jeff be used? If nobody has ever seen or spoke to them except Casey (and the invisinanny!), and she does not testify herself, then wouldn't third party testimony, such as Cindy saying, "yes, I never spoke to Jeff, but Casey told me he trusted Zenaida with his child" be considered hearsay?

Not that Casey said, but that Cindy said Casey said Jeff said...:tongueside:

[farrahrani]

What I want to know is,

Can Jeff and Juliet be used in the defense at all? How can it be admissible when there is no trace of these people existing? no id, employment records, ss numbers, NOTHING. Nobody other than Casey has ever heard of them or seen them. So can third party testimony about people who don't exist be admitted? Imagine if it is, and sets some kind of precedent?

Attorneys all over the country will be saying...Yes, Your Honor, my client is refraining from testifying in his own defense..BUT...we will have undeniable evidence of his best friend Joe Blow committing the crime he is accused of so unfairly! Where is this Mr. Blow? your honor, we have a witness who will testify that Mr. Blow lived right across the street from the 163 st mall, behind the bike shop, until a few days ago...No the witness never saw him, we don't know if anyone saw him...but the accused told him that a few years ago!"

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[happygert]

They might as well tell the jury this all happened in the "twilight Zone" and the defendant should be set free and the case should be dismissed on these reasons.:biggrinjester:
In addition, it says a lot when Mr. NeJame bailed on the Anthony's. He did say on Nancy Grace that if he was to learn they were lying he would be out the door or vise verse.
Well, less than a week later he dumped them. Of course that won't come into play but this attorney seems to be well seasoned and knows there's no way Casey's defense team can explain away ALL of the events that took place to a jury.
He knew the Anthony's would stand up there and lie through their teeth. Not to mention the thousands of dollars they accepted from different sources. I think the Anthony's gave NeJame $5000.00 retainer and he gave it right back to them, too.
JMO

NeJame gave it to RK for finding Caylee's body.. You think that sent smoke right thru cindy ears.. I'll bet she was fuming..lol..