Caylee 8/26. 8/27

[Lavinia]

No, *my* Bookmarks is a small, rustic building in back of the house with a crescent moon on the door.
:tonguewag:

I would feel honored if I could help "prep" your bookmarks. :sneaky:

[Lavinia]

I think Casey should be prosecuted for these charges because these are felonies and she could do some serious time for them, If the prosecution charges her with these crimes it gives them time to work on Caylees case to make sure it's absolutely flawless. It also ties into the desperation she was in for those 31 days. I think it would be a huge mistake to let this pass. It also leaves the door open to more depositions and discovery that could potentially bring in evidence that has been overlooked.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/STATUTES/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0831/SEC07.HTM&Title=-%3E2009-%3ECh0831-%3ESection%2007#0831.0

I think even if she were found guilty on the economic charges she may be sentenced to time served. Of course, that then leaves her a convicted felon going into the murder case, but I have SO much confidence in this case that I tend to be of the school of judicial economy and to limit any way she can win any appeals, I say leave the monetary crimes alone (unless it's keeping Baez and Bunch all atwitter trying to defend so much and they screw up more. Is that possible?)

[really3997]

No, *my* Bookmarks is a small, rustic building in back of the house with a crescent moon on the door.
:tonguewag:

They certainly went out of their way to hide the Milsteads name from this business. JMO

http://www.sunbiz.org/pdf/10124481.pdf

[AnniePie]

Which reminded me of Milstead's new venture, the House of Purpose.

The website is gone. http://www.thehouseofpurpose.com

I'm tempted to celebrate.

Don't start the par-tay too soon, Spotty... you know they've got another venture brewing at this very moment. They're just those kind of creeps. :scared:

[Lavinia]

How about a hungry angry lion in the outhouse and Milstead has to go....:biggrin::biggrin:

To make it especially heinous, no toilet paper! :laugh:

[101Spots]

How about a hungry angry lion in the outhouse and Milstead has to go....:biggrin::biggrin:

I was leaning towards corncobs, but this will do. :thumbsup:

Lavinia - how are you a irritating a hungry lion?

[AnniePie]

I think we should drop Cindy a note telling her about Lee's immoral activity. :D:

:laugh: Ack! That made me snort out loud! (SOL)

[Lavinia]

Don't start the par-tay too soon, Spotty... you know they've got another venture brewing at this very moment. They're just those kind of creeps. :scared:

Just means another party later, AnniePie. :drool:

[101Spots]

They certainly went out of their way to hide the Milsteads name from this business. JMO

http://www.sunbiz.org/pdf/10124481.pdf

What I found interesting is that the principle address is the house that was foreclosed.

Different Suite than KFN, of course. Wonder how many suites that house has in all?

[AnniePie]

OMG...Cindy would sh!t a brick!!!
Mally-Bu would get a good talking to...as I'm sure it is all her fault...

I was re-reading Richard Grund's interview with LE recently. Did you know that Lee is a geek? Supposedly very much into Star Wars? I was surprised to hear that. I thought he was just into his wrist. :smile:

[adair]

No, *my* Bookmarks is a small, rustic building in back of the house with a crescent moon on the door.
:tonguewag:


You mean BM for short, right? J/k

[Lavinia]

I was leaning towards corncobs, but this will do. :thumbsup:

Lavinia - how are you a irritating a hungry lion?

I dress it in little girl's clothes and chant schoolyard taunts.

(First I thought you had asked how I IRRIGATED a hungry lion and I realized that too would be irritating. Must add to my repertoire, lol.)

[adair]

To make it especially heinous, no toilet paper! :laugh:


Corn Cobs? Tis the season...........

I have not heard where Lee is...anyone? Trying to stay on topic.:wink:

[101Spots]

Corn Cobs? Tis the season...........

I have not heard where Lee is...anyone? Trying to stay on topic.:wink:

Don't know about Lee, but "Mally-Bu! is continuing to be surprised." She is currently "curious."

Mally-Bu! (http://profile.myspace.com/mal322)

Mally-Bu! just graduated from college. She obvioulsy skipped Grammar 101. :rolleyes:

[farrahrani]

hi to everyone!

I didn't see the entire hearing last fri, due to dialup being a pain, but I did see a couple of clips on youtube, and picked up on something interesting that showed up on one of the links posted a while ago.


JB argued that the searchers in the area near Caylee's remains noted no odor or smell...and she had been unaccounted for, for 31 days, approx.


http://www.deathonline.net/decomposition/decomposition/cheating.htm
Although an exposed human body in optimum conditions can be reduced to bone in 10 days, a body that is buried 1.2 m under the ground retains most of its tissue for a year.

I wonder if Jose and co. are going to have the guts to try the 'no smell in the area' argument, given that since the remains were exposed, there would have been no tissue and most likely little to no smell by the time the searchers began.


Also, I was out all day, can anyone tell me if ANYTHING was decided today? :confused:

[cassidy]

Corn Cobs? Tis the season...........

I have not heard where Lee is...anyone? Trying to stay on topic.:wink:

Lee is living on Hopespring with Mommy and Daddy. Apparently he likes the thrill of sneaking the girlfriend in while they are away :) He thinks cindy doesn't know it, but I think she reads these boards! Watch out Mally-Bu!!!!!!!!!!

[really3997]

I was re-reading Richard Grund's interview with LE recently. Did you know that Lee is a geek? Supposedly very much into Star Wars? I was surprised to hear that. I thought he was just into his wrist. :smile:

Hence the "VADER" license plates

[Lavinia]

Don't know about Lee, but "Mally-Bu! is continuing to be surprised." She is currently "curious."

Mally-Bu! (http://profile.myspace.com/mal322)

Mally-Bu! just graduated from college. She obvioulsy skipped Grammar 101. :rolleyes:

So Lee is "marrying up"? :laugh:

[really3997]

What I found interesting is that the principle address is the house that was foreclosed.

Different Suite than KFN, of course. Wonder how many suites that house has in all?

You can see a pic of it on Zilliow.com. Oh by the way didnt GA say his house was 1700 sqft. IIRC

http://www.zillow.com/homes/map/4937-hopespring-dr-orlando-fl_rb/

[Lavinia]

Hence the "VADER" license plates

Tell me NO, for the love of Pete, that his tags don't say, "Vader"! Please let me sleep tonight without guffawing through the night. :laugh:

[really3997]

ot. News just broke in that they received a tip that Tracy Ocasio was in a freezer at old animal shelter. Sorry OT

[bchand]

hi to everyone!

I didn't see the entire hearing last fri, due to dialup being a pain, but I did see a couple of clips on youtube, and picked up on something interesting that showed up on one of the links posted a while ago.


JB argued that the searchers in the area near Caylee's remains noted no odor or smell...and she had been unaccounted for, for 31 days, approx.


http://www.deathonline.net/decomposition/decomposition/cheating.htm
Although an exposed human body in optimum conditions can be reduced to bone in 10 days, a body that is buried 1.2 m under the ground retains most of its tissue for a year.

I wonder if Jose and co. are going to have the guts to try the 'no smell in the area' argument, given that since the remains were exposed, there would have been no tissue and most likely little to no smell by the time the searchers began.


Also, I was out all day, can anyone tell me if ANYTHING was decided today? :confused:

They'll try anything. We just have to hope we have a good prosecution team ready to let the jury know the facts.

Nothing was decided today.

[101Spots]

Tell me NO, for the love of Pete, that his tags don't say, "Vader"! Please let me sleep tonight without guffawing through the night. :laugh:

I remember seeing that way back when.

You have two choices.

1. Stop drinking right now. Maybe the snuffles and giggles will stop by bedtime.

2. Keep drinking until you're totally snockered and pass out.

[Katprint]

Katprint, haven't read all the posts, but are you saying there is no advantage for the prosecution to try the checks case prior to the murder case, because it wouldn't come in anyway? Thanks for all you contribute to this forum.
If Casey testifies, her character trait for dishonesty become relevant and the fact that she was previously convicted of check theft/forgery/fraud would be admissible to challenge her credibility.

If Casey does NOT testify, then her credibility is not an issue. The fact that she was previously convicted of check theft/forgery/fraud is very prejudicial as far as making the jury dislike her as a person but does not particularly make it any more likely that Casey killed Caylee. Thus, the check theft/forgery/fraud conviction would most likely be excluded during the guilt phase because the undue prejudice substantially outweighs any probative value.

If Casey is found guilty of First Degree Murder then the case would go into the penalty phase. At that point the conviction would probably be admissible, if for no other reason than to refute Cindy's assertion that Casey had previously been a respectable law-abiding citizen doing good deeds for others. (Remember Cindy telling TV interviewers how Casey would be the one who stayed sober and took care of her friends? Sheesh!) OTOH, I believe that testimony concerning Casey's prior thefts from friends and family will be admissible during the penalty phase anyway. I think the Anthonys will get up and testify to Casey's good character as a reason not to execute her, and then the prosecution can put on a parade of witnesses to refute that.

The bottom line is that yes, there are some strategic benefits to the prosecution if they can get a check theft/fraud/forgery conviction before the murder trial. However, those benefits are relatively small and IMO the prosecution has plenty already. OTOH I could be wrong, and if Casey is acquitted in the murder trial the jurors may give TV interviews saying, "If I had known that Casey stole Amy's checkbook and forged Amy's signature and pretended to be Amy, I would certainly have voted guilty!"

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[really3997]

Don't know about Lee, but "Mally-Bu! is continuing to be surprised." She is currently "curious."

Mally-Bu! (http://profile.myspace.com/mal322)

Mally-Bu! just graduated from college. She obvioulsy skipped Grammar 101. :rolleyes:

UH oh should I go to my neutral place. :scared:

[AnniePie]

Well one down...one to go...

Wonder how long till this goes defunct...what have they had like 50 different businesses???

I want to rip my face off :scared: when I see a website with all these typos and grammatical errors! How do you expect anyone to believe in you or your product when you can't even spell properly? Arrrgggghhhh...

[adair]

Yeah, that's what George thought too...:wink:

OK...lets be fair, if your gonna do that I need a warning....this time i spewed my last beer on my screen and keyboard..........

please:lol:

[really3997]

I want to rip my face off :scared: when I see a website with all these typos and grammatical errors! How do you expect anyone to believe in you or your product when you can't even spell properly? Arrrgggghhhh...

Well they looking for Investers. :tonguewag:

[adair]

If Casey testifies, her character trait for dishonesty become relevant and the fact that she was previously convicted of check theft/forgery/fraud would be admissible to challenge her credibility.

If Casey does NOT testify, then her credibility is not an issue. The fact that she was previously convicted of check theft/forgery/fraud is very prejudicial as far as making the jury dislike her as a person but does not particularly make it any more likely that Casey killed Caylee. Thus, the check theft/forgery/fraud conviction would most likely be excluded during the guilt phase because the undue prejudice substantially outweighs any probative value.

If Casey is found guilty of First Degree Murder then the case would go into the penalty phase. At that point the conviction would probably be admissible, if for no other reason than to refute Cindy's assertion that Casey had previously been a respectable law-abiding citizen doing good deeds for others. (Remember Cindy telling TV interviewers how Casey would be the one who stayed sober and took care of her friends? Sheesh!) OTOH, I believe that testimony concerning Casey's prior thefts from friends and family will be admissible during the penalty phase anyway. I think the Anthonys will get up and testify to Casey's good character as a reason not to execute her, and then the prosecution can put on a parade of witnesses to refute that.

The bottom line is that yes, there are some strategic benefits to the prosecution if they can get a check theft/fraud/forgery conviction before the murder trial. However, those benefits are relatively small and IMO the prosecution has plenty already. OTOH I could be wrong, and if Casey is acquitted in the murder trial the jurors may give TV interviews saying, "If I had known that Casey stole Amy's checkbook and forged Amy's signature and pretended to be Amy, I would certainly have voted guilty!"

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

When I read this, this is the first thing that came to mind, maybe kc did stay sober, and her friends 'lost' money......maybe kc was the great watchful one .... watching for her friends to drink too much, and misplace more $ like she did to Amy.........just a thought. I have seen too many bartenders who have helped themselves to their own tips...........moo .... jmo but something to think about.

[Katprint]

There is a possibility she could be charged as a habitual offender, I must admit it's a stretch but if it was me in charge I would be brainstorming right now. If they can tie in the child neglect with these crimes because Caylee was not with her, where was Caylee?

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/STATUTES/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0775/Sec084.HTM
Child neglect is a lesser included offense of murdering that same child, because murder necessarily requires a failure to property protect the child from undue harm. Thus, under the "merger" doctrine, it is not separate from a murder conviction.

By way of example, if you rob a store at gunpoint you also commit the lesser included offenses of brandishing a firearm, theft, commercial burglary (i.e. entering a business with the intent to commit a crime therein), false imprisonment, assault with a deadly weapon, etc. However, all of those crimes "merge" with a robbery conviction. Occasionally the jury finds reasonable doubt about the greater offense and convicts on one or more of the lesser included offenses.

IIRC, the original charge was indeed "child neglect" and I expect we will see the attorneys arguing over whether it should be presented with the jury instructions as a possible lesser included offense.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Katprint]

When I read this, this is the first thing that came to mind, maybe kc did stay sober, and her friends 'lost' money......maybe kc was the great watchful one .... watching for her friends to drink too much, and misplace more $ like she did to Amy.........just a thought. I have seen too many bartenders who have helped themselves to their own tips...........moo .... jmo but something to think about.
Casey looked far from sober in the photos of her urinating in the parking lot, sitting on the floor next to the toilet looking like she had been vomiting, table/pole dancing, etc. I do agree she probably stole money (and whatever else she could get her hands on) from her friends, relatives, acquaintances, unwary strangers etc. Remember how TonE wouldn't let her remain in his apartment when he wasn't there? I think he knew, or at least suspected, some of what she was.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Lavinia]

I remember seeing that way back when.

You have two choices.

1. Stop drinking right now. Maybe the snuffles and giggles will stop by bedtime.

2. Keep drinking until you're totally snockered and pass out.

Won't work. Drinking wires me up. I was always the last drunk standing in the good old days, lol. Sorry, this is going to need ECT (shock treatment) or a dose of brain bleach. HAHAHAHAHA! I bet the A's are GLAD he and Mally-bu are getting busy. They probably were worried that would never happen for the Leester. :lol: Ahem. Sorry. Lee Vader. :lol:

[adair]

Warning Will Robinson....Warning...

sorry a little late I know....:lol:


I will forgive you.......but please try not to do this on a Sunday......(cant buy beer on Sunday in Indiana) LOL


Love you guys...really !!!!

I dont know how i could even try understand such a horrible tragedy without everyone here.

I hate to go o/t...but in my own personal life there will be a trial...at least a year away? My niece was shot three times by the father of her two children. So Katprint, may I pm you just for some basic info about how to find court dates... etc. Seems the defense wants to drag it out as long as possible, and my family has been warned that She (Heather) will be dragged thru the mud. (the mother who was shot three times, while her 4 children were a sleep in the next room) ......Her oldest child 11 yrs old found her. Hate to go off topic, maybe i need to start another thread, but i really have 1-2 newspaper articles and that is all........not much of a thread to start.

Thanks for all my friends being here......i think that in some way shape or form we are all victims of crimes and this is what brings this great group together......


imo

[AnniePie]

Hence the "VADER" license plates

I didn't know that.

[Lavinia]

I didn't know that.

I think Casey's plates were "Jabba". :laugh: (J/K)

[Lavinia]

I will forgive you.......but please try not to do this on a Sunday......(cant buy beer on Sunday in Indiana) LOL


Love you guys...really !!!!

I dont know how i could even try understand such a horrible tragedy without everyone here.

I hate to go o/t...but in my own personal life there will be a trial...at least a year away? My niece was shot three times by the father of her two children. So Katprint, may I pm you just for some basic info about how to find court dates... etc. Seems the defense wants to drag it out as long as possible, and my family has been warned that She (Heather) will be dragged thru the mud. (the mother who was shot three times, while her 4 children were a sleep in the next room) ......Her oldest child 11 yrs old found her. Hate to go off topic, maybe i need to start another thread, but i really have 1-2 newspaper articles and that is all........not much of a thread to start.

Thanks for all my friends being here......i think that in some way shape or form we are all victims of crimes and this is what brings this great group together......


imo

How terrible adair! My heart is with you and your family during this most difficult time.

XOXOXO

[adair]

[QUOTE=Rapunzel;13406722]Oh adair...what a horrible tragedy...will say prayers


I really appreciate everyone here, and i never ever thought that i would be a related to a victim of domestic violence....but here we are.

I need to make sure we stay on topic....


Are Lee and Mallory Living together at C & G?


Does anyone else think that the night the "fight didnt happen" that she went to Lee's or contacted Lee, that is something i would like to know.

And that Monday after FD, when the house phone called kc cell, is it possible to tell where that originating call came from?

Thanks for anyone who knows......

[legalmania]

Child neglect is a lesser included offense of murdering that same child, because murder necessarily requires a failure to property protect the child from undue harm. Thus, under the "merger" doctrine, it is not separate from a murder conviction.

By way of example, if you rob a store at gunpoint you also commit the lesser included offenses of brandishing a firearm, theft, commercial burglary (i.e. entering a business with the intent to commit a crime therein), false imprisonment, assault with a deadly weapon, etc. However, all of those crimes "merge" with a robbery conviction. Occasionally the jury finds reasonable doubt about the greater offense and convicts on one or more of the lesser included offenses.

IIRC, the original charge was indeed "child neglect" and I expect we will see the attorneys arguing over whether it should be presented with the jury instructions as a possible lesser included offense.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

I thought I deleted that post, I was deep in thought and forgot what the heck I wrote. Anyway I think you know what I meant. The statute I used was not the one I wanted to use. My mind is all wiggy, my roommate may have swine flu and I'm not thinking right. He'll be alright but I suffer from lung disease and if I catch it I could get pneumonia and get really sick. I better do a breathing treatment. Take Care everyone.

[legalmania]

For sweet Caylee from all your loving fans. We miss you :rose::rose:

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[101Spots]

((((adair)))) :rose:

((((legalmania)))) :rose:

[panokatana]

Well one down...one to go...

Wonder how long till this goes defunct...what have they had like 50 different businesses???

When I saw this, I was reminded of an email I received from a friend of mine a couple of months ago. This is a quote from that email..
"All in all they are a corrupt company and I'm lucky to get away from them with as little damage as I've had." (I won't put the name of the company, but you can guess who I am talking about, right?")

Not surprising.

JMO

[legalmania]

I will forgive you.......but please try not to do this on a Sunday......(cant buy beer on Sunday in Indiana) LOL


Love you guys...really !!!!

I dont know how i could even try understand such a horrible tragedy without everyone here.

I hate to go o/t...but in my own personal life there will be a trial...at least a year away? My niece was shot three times by the father of her two children. So Katprint, may I pm you just for some basic info about how to find court dates... etc. Seems the defense wants to drag it out as long as possible, and my family has been warned that She (Heather) will be dragged thru the mud. (the mother who was shot three times, while her 4 children were a sleep in the next room) ......Her oldest child 11 yrs old found her. Hate to go off topic, maybe i need to start another thread, but i really have 1-2 newspaper articles and that is all........not much of a thread to start.

Thanks for all my friends being here......i think that in some way shape or form we are all victims of crimes and this is what brings this great group together......


imo

Hi adair,

So sorry to hear about your niece, makes me sound like I'm whining. I'm a paralegal and maybe I can help also. It depends on what part of the country you're from. I can usually find anything. Talk to the prosecutor call him or her day and night don't let up. Let your voice be the first he or she hears in the morning and the last voice he or she hears at night.

[bchand]

ot. News just broke in that they received a tip that Tracy Ocasio was in a freezer at old animal shelter. Sorry OT

Just checked the FL news sites and it seems they ONLY found animal bones. Thank goodness.

[adair]

Hi adair,

So sorry to hear about your niece, makes me sound like I'm whining. I'm a paralegal and maybe I can help also. It depends on what part of the country you're from. I can usually find anything. Talk to the prosecutor call him or her day and night don't let up. Let your voice be the first he or she hears in the morning and the last voice he or she hears at night.

Will do...(tried to Pm u) Thank You So much.

[really3997]

Just checked the FL news sites and it seems they ONLY found animal bones. Thank goodness.

Oh I hate the way the news breaks in. they didnt make it sound like it wasn't her..sorry. But glad in a way it is not her, but want the family to have closure.

[101Spots]

Hi adair,

So sorry to hear about your niece, makes me sound like I'm whining. I'm a paralegal and maybe I can help also. It depends on what part of the country you're from. I can usually find anything. Talk to the prosecutor call him or her day and night don't let up. Let your voice be the first he or she hears in the morning and the last voice he or she hears at night.

Go slap yourself for thinking like this. :punch:

Different problem, so comparisons are moot.

Just take care and stick around with us. :wub:

[Lavinia]

Go slap yourself for thinking like this. :punch:

Different problem, so comparisons are moot.

Just take care and stick around with us. :wub:

Nurse Nightengale, is that you? :laugh: You would have failed in therapeutic communication, lol.

Good night all. Maybe we'll have some documents tomorrow!

[101Spots]

Nurse Nightengale, is that you? :laugh: You would have failed in therapeutic communication, lol.

Good night all. Maybe we'll have some documents tomorrow!

I gave up the lobotomies, but I still go for shock therapy.

[seeing_eye]

Another lie...why would we expect anything else.

Don't believe everything you see on Zillow. My house is 3 bedrooms and about 1200 sq. ft. Zillow has it listed as 894 sq. ft.!! That's less square footage than a 1 bedroom apartment I used to have!

[CatMagnet]

Could this be another Milstead site?

http://sanitizingfoggingsystems.com/

It has the same contact info as their other site:

http://h1n1specialist.com/

[*Serenity*]

I take it the Judge has not ruled about the motions in question?
Sheesh... what's up that? He's had 5 full days to toss this around.

Since 2,000 pages were released to the defense-- when will the Sunshine Law ride in and take care of our needs? lol

[AnniePie]

Could this be another Milstead site?

http://sanitizingfoggingsystems.com/

It has the same contact info as their other site:

http://h1n1specialist.com/

Erk!

Could a "fogging system" mean something like blowing smoke?

I despise these people.

[AnniePie]

I take it the Judge has not ruled about the motions in question?
Sheesh... what's up that? He's had 5 full days to toss this around.

Since 2,000 pages were released to the defense-- when will the Sunshine Law ride in and take care of our needs? lol

We're all alone! No one understands what we're going through! My throat is closing up... waste... huge waste.

[*Serenity*]

We're all alone! No one understands what we're going through! My throat is closing up... waste... huge waste.


I will NEVER forget the haunting words from Casey's mouth about being in jail: My whole life has been taken from me, I have nothing and no one to comfort me, except myself. That was quite entertaining considering she didn't think anything about taking Caylee's life from her and leaving her dead in garbage bags alone in the woods with no one to comfort her.

[seeing_eye]

Erk!

Could a "fogging system" mean something like blowing smoke?

I despise these people.

What is it exactly in that fog that kills all those germs, viruses, fungi, etc.? Is there really a fog that can do all that? If it's true, then I suggest the Millsteads and Anthonys steer waaaaaaaaay clear of that stuff!!

[Amy]

I thought George (of course his credibility is questionable) said that Casey and Lee were very close but when Casey lied to Lee about being pregnant, Lee was hurt and he sort of backed off the relationship. Things had been kind of cool between them since, not much communication.

That might be a fairly true statement from George. I do remember articles way back in the beginning, when folks were trying to figure out who might have taken Caylee, since it certainly wasn't the invisinanny, and even tho the 31 days seemed weird, and before Lee's interviews w/LE and FBI. In several articles, it was reported that Lee had not seen Caylee for 1.5 years. IIRC, the one pic I have seen that has Lee and Caylee, she wasn't almost 3 years old, but maybe one, one and a half.

I also recall reports where it seems Lee was not @ the HopeSpring Drive house much, referencing he did not get along w/George, or preferred to be there when his dad wasn't. So, between not liking George so much, and being miffed @ Casey about the pregnancy, it could very well be that he had distanced himself from the family pretty much, except maybe Cindy, even before Caylee went "missing."

Sorry, no links. I guess I can go back to where Desmom started her "one year ago" links and see if I can come up w/these references to family dynamics. But, I coudn't find them in the links thread, because I can't find the first links thread. I had kind of looked in there one time, when it was a sticky.

[CatMagnet]

Erk!

Could a "fogging system" mean something like blowing smoke?

I despise these people.


Do you know if anyone is keeping track of how many businesses/sites they have?

[summer]

That might be a fairly true statement from George. I do remember articles way back in the beginning, when folks were trying to figure out who might have taken Caylee, since it certainly wasn't the invisinanny, and even tho the 31 days seemed weird, and before Lee's interviews w/LE and FBI. In several articles, it was reported that Lee had not seen Caylee for 1.5 years. IIRC, the one pic I have seen that has Lee and Caylee, she wasn't almost 3 years old, but maybe one, one and a half.

I also recall reports where it seems Lee was not @ the HopeSpring Drive house much, referencing he did not get along w/George, or preferred to be there when his dad wasn't. So, between not liking George so much, and being miffed @ Casey about the pregnancy, it could very well be that he had distanced himself from the family pretty much, except maybe Cindy, even before Caylee went "missing."

Sorry, no links. I guess I can go back to where Desmom started her "one year ago" links and see if I can come up w/these references to family dynamics. But, I coudn't find them in the links thread, because I can't find the first links thread. I had kind of looked in there one time, when it was a sticky.

Amy, fascinating. I hadn't heard that about Lee but I do recall he never babysat, not even for 5 minutes, which I thought extremely odd given his sister was a single mom. So I don't doubt it's true. Very unusual - he lived so nearby.

The whole family = dysfunction junction.

[AnniePie]

What is it exactly in that fog that kills all those germs, viruses, fungi, etc.? Is there really a fog that can do all that? If it's true, then I suggest the Millsteads and Anthonys steer waaaaaaaaay clear of that stuff!!

:laugh: Could this be why no one has seen the Milsteads or the Anthonys in several days? Could it be that easy to actually get rid of them?!

[AnniePie]

That might be a fairly true statement from George. I do remember articles way back in the beginning, when folks were trying to figure out who might have taken Caylee, since it certainly wasn't the invisinanny, and even tho the 31 days seemed weird, and before Lee's interviews w/LE and FBI. In several articles, it was reported that Lee had not seen Caylee for 1.5 years. IIRC, the one pic I have seen that has Lee and Caylee, she wasn't almost 3 years old, but maybe one, one and a half.

I also recall reports where it seems Lee was not @ the HopeSpring Drive house much, referencing he did not get along w/George, or preferred to be there when his dad wasn't. So, between not liking George so much, and being miffed @ Casey about the pregnancy, it could very well be that he had distanced himself from the family pretty much, except maybe Cindy, even before Caylee went "missing."

Sorry, no links. I guess I can go back to where Desmom started her "one year ago" links and see if I can come up w/these references to family dynamics. But, I coudn't find them in the links thread, because I can't find the first links thread. I had kind of looked in there one time, when it was a sticky.

Wow. Perhaps I knew this at one time, but I've forgotten now since I'm an OFLaB (OLD Fat Lazy A** Blogger). I didn't realize that George and Lee didn't get along.

I wonder what Lee's relationship was like with Cindy. Would he have let her push him around or was he a rebel? From seeing Casey's rebelliousness toward Cindy and the fact that Casey and Lee were close... I imagine that he was trying to steer clear of her as well.

The more I read about this nightmare fam, the more I thank God that my problems are so small. My teens hate me and I get down about that, but at least they're not like these two!

[AnniePie]

No night shift? :sad:

[seeing_eye]

:laugh: Could this be why no one has seen the Milsteads or the Anthonys in several days? Could it be that easy to actually get rid of them?!

Wouldn't that be something? If they've done themselves in with their own nefarious deeds?

[CatMagnet]

Does anyone know if there's a slight chance the Milsteads knew the Anthonys before Caylee's murder?

[seeing_eye]

Does anyone know if there's a slight chance the Milsteads knew the Anthonys before Caylee's murder?

I don't know for sure, but I don't believe they did. But they sure seem to be birds of a feather now.

[Amy]

hi to everyone!

I didn't see the entire hearing last fri, due to dialup being a pain, but I did see a couple of clips on youtube, and picked up on something interesting that showed up on one of the links posted a while ago.


JB argued that the searchers in the area near Caylee's remains noted no odor or smell...and she had been unaccounted for, for 31 days, approx.


http://www.deathonline.net/decomposition/decomposition/cheating.htm
Although an exposed human body in optimum conditions can be reduced to bone in 10 days, a body that is buried 1.2 m under the ground retains most of its tissue for a year.

I wonder if Jose and co. are going to have the guts to try the 'no smell in the area' argument, given that since the remains were exposed, there would have been no tissue and most likely little to no smell by the time the searchers began.


Also, I was out all day, can anyone tell me if ANYTHING was decided today? :confused:
Bolding mine.

Hadn't much more than 31 days gone by before there were any searchers in the area? I can't remember the month the searchers would have been in that area, but it was well past July 15, which was the 31 days she had been missing. But, 31 days or 61 days, as you point out, the remains were exposed and there would not have been any tissue to cause an odor.

[CatMagnet]

I don't know for sure, but I don't believe they did. But they sure seem to be birds of a feather now.


Do you know about when they came into the picture? Rough guess is fine, no links necessary. :)

[Amy]

Do you know about when they came into the picture? Rough guess is fine, no links necessary. :)

I can't remember--but it would have to have been pretty near the beginning, when George started driving the disconnected phone number around on the mobile billboard--wasn't that just a few weeks into the case? What would be interesting is--were the A's looking for someone to help them (do people THINK about something like this during a time like this?) OR, did the Milsteads contact them, offering their services? Did the A's find them in the yellow pages?

[CatMagnet]

I can't remember--but it would have to have been pretty near the beginning, when George started driving the disconnected phone number around on the mobile billboard--wasn't that just a few weeks into the case? What would be interesting is--were the A's looking for someone to help them (do people THINK about something like this during a time like this?) OR, did the Milsteads contact them, offering their services? Did the A's find them in the yellow pages?

I didn't start paying attention to this case until Caylee's body was found, so any info you can give me to fill in the blanks is very much appreciated. Do you know what the Milsteads were doing to earn money before they met the Anthonys? Did they start Kid Finders after they met George and Cindy?

(Imo, there's something hinky about the Milsteads involvement, can't quite put my finger on it. )

[seeing_eye]

I didn't start paying attention to this case until Caylee's body was found, so any info you can give me to fill in the blanks is very much appreciated. Do you know what the Milsteads were doing to earn money before they met the Anthonys? Did they start Kid Finders after they met George and Cindy?

(Imo, there's something hinky about the Milsteads involvement, can't quite put my finger on it. )

Again, not real sure, just going by my very vague memory, but I think the Milsteads and Trenton Duckett contacted the Anthonys very soon after the news about Caylee hit the air. I believe they smelled a hot story and lots of dollars.

[seeing_eye]

I didn't start paying attention to this case until Caylee's body was found, so any info you can give me to fill in the blanks is very much appreciated. Do you know what the Milsteads were doing to earn money before they met the Anthonys? Did they start Kid Finders after they met George and Cindy?

(Imo, there's something hinky about the Milsteads involvement, can't quite put my finger on it. )

I forgot to mention that I think the Milsteads had already started Kid Finders before they met the Anthonys. I think they created it after they met Duckett.

[AnniePie]

Wouldn't that be something? If they've done themselves in with their own nefarious deeds?

Welp... "you reap what you sow" or "what goes around, comes around"... whichever version you prefer.

They WILL get theirs in the end. I will try not to have a huge grin on my face, but I can't promise you anything. :smile:

[AnniePie]

Again, not real sure, just going by my very vague memory, but I think the Milsteads and Trenton Duckett contacted the Anthonys very soon after the news about Caylee hit the air. I believe they smelled a hot story and lots of dollars.

That's what I think too, SE. They're like vultures who smell blood or death and dying and hover around til they can land and feast off the remains of a victim.

There is something about Dennis Milstead that skeeves me out so badly I can hardly fathom it. What a complete CREEP.

[CatMagnet]

I forgot to mention that I think the Milsteads had already started Kid Finders before they met the Anthonys. I think they created it after they met Duckett.

Thank you so much for your help, gives me some things to think about as I doze off. Good night and thanks again.

[CatMagnet]

I forgot to mention that I think the Milsteads had already started Kid Finders before they met the Anthonys. I think they created it after they met Duckett.

I was about to shut down, then decided to do a whois on their site, shows Kid Finders Network site was founded in 2006:
http://whois.domaintools.com/kidfindersnetwork.com

Here's their "Friends and Supporters" page from Feb 07:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070222143107/kidfindersnetwork.com/id7.html

Here's their Board of Directors from the same time:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070228203604/kidfindersnetwork.com/id10.html

It would be interesting to see if any of those names show up in relation to the Anthonys, but I am up waaay past my bed time, so maybe I'll try to do a bit of digging tomorrow.

All Imo, of course.

[Amy]

I didn't start paying attention to this case until Caylee's body was found, so any info you can give me to fill in the blanks is very much appreciated. Do you know what the Milsteads were doing to earn money before they met the Anthonys? Did they start Kid Finders after they met George and Cindy?

(Imo, there's something hinky about the Milsteads involvement, can't quite put my finger on it. )

I'm not sure what the Milsteads were doing before they founded Kidfinders. Except that the mister has somewhat of a police record. I don't know how to pull that stuff up, but it was posted about his rap sheet--one offense being impersonation of an officer.

Anyway, D Milstead's story about Kidfinders--and this might be on their website---was that he or they were wanting to do something to help find missing children, after learning of Trenton Ducket going missing.

[seeing_eye]

I was about to shut down, then decided to do a whois on their site, shows Kid Finders Network site was founded in 2006:
http://whois.domaintools.com/kidfindersnetwork.com

Here's their "Friends and Supporters" page from Feb 07:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070222143107/kidfindersnetwork.com/id7.html

Here's their Board of Directors from the same time:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070228203604/kidfindersnetwork.com/id10.html

It would be interesting to see if any of those names show up in relation to the Anthonys, but I am up waaay past my bed time, so maybe I'll try to do a bit of digging tomorrow.

All Imo, of course.

I think a lot of Kid Finder's supporters are companies owned by the Millsteads.

[Postergeist]

I freak out too when I see a police car behind me. I'm always nervous he will see I have done something wrong. LE does NOT bother Cindy. No one does for that matter.:sneaky:
(Maybe Judge Strickland)
We sure will see at trial, won't we.
JMO


<snipped> lol, well Deanna, maybe that makes us both paranoid, but at least we aren't psychotic or narcissistic or chronic liars, whew!

Oh brother what we'll see at trial- it will likely be playing on some sort of 'courtrooms gone wild' video.

[Postergeist]

I think it was all in Casey's mind, I did read where a guy she went to shcool with or maybe it was his brother that was in Casey/s class, said something to this effect also. No, Casey had no "real" lasting fiendships because sooner or later I think she burned everyone of them in some kind of way or the other, or just discarded them and made new friends.

<snipped> and bbm-

I'm not trying to pick on your typo katy- I actually think it's an accurate description of what kind of relationships Casey made-

fiend- ships- she's just plain fiendish in how she has treated other people's money and property and their time and their hearts-

she stole from people that had befriended her and brought them into their circle

she took advantage of their time by tricking them into thinking they were helping a full time single parent by babysitting with no compensation

she carried on with several young men at once, making them feel likely like "the one".

She lied and lied and took and took and shook these poor kids confidence.

And her dad is proud of "everything his daughter's ever done" and her mom has declared as her very own pageant winner MOTY. *thud*

[Postergeist]

thank you :wub:

(((8Belles))) all day I was just bummed after reading the news about house. :crying: and my heart goes out to her online friends here.

I didn't know that she had been ill~ our online family won't ever be the same without her.


reading thru the thread before posting, found my heart being tugged again reading adair's posts and legalmania's. I wish for all our posters and those they love to be healthy and happy.

hugging you all in my heart

[Postergeist]

I was re-reading Richard Grund's interview with LE recently. Did you know that Lee is a geek? Supposedly very much into Star Wars? I was surprised to hear that. I thought he was just into his wrist. :smile:


:lol: speaking of wrists- does anyone know if Mally bu has one of those special Anthony jewelry pieces? <shudder>

[Postergeist]

That's it! Cindy barefoot on Jerry Springer with prosecutor. (LB) :tonguewag:

OH my eyes! :scared:

boy, there sure were several links posted on Wed. so I'm going to try to get some of them skimmed thru before trying to get some shut eye.

(noticed that NG did a nice piece on Dominick Dunne tonite)

nite Deanna- c'ya tomo!

[desmom]

Bolding mine.

Hadn't much more than 31 days gone by before there were any searchers in the area? I can't remember the month the searchers would have been in that area, but it was well past July 15, which was the 31 days she had been missing. But, 31 days or 61 days, as you point out, the remains were exposed and there would not have been any tissue to cause an odor.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17326724/detail.html reported TES was in Orlando on August 28, 2008.

Gale St. John arrived around August 12, 2008 http://www.wftv.com/news/17166127/detail.html The lst day of their search is when the blind drive video was shot per http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/Psychic_found_spot_of_Anthony_remains_months_befor e The video shows how dense the foliage was at the time and the standing water is mentioned http://psychicgalestjohn.com/blinddrive.htm

Keith Williams was in the area in mid August. http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19342403/detail.html He found the bag of stuffed animals at the "far end where the school is" (page 8-9). On page 13, he told LE "the only time I walked around where she was actually found was that Aug 18 date is when I was told that she was a foot into the woods and I actually walked around this whole area looking at the same range and I never saw nothing." When LE pointed out to Williams he had stated earlier he had never walked into the woods, Williams said "I didn't actually enter the woods at that point. I was just looking." and on page 25, he said "If it was in the brush then that makes sense why I didn't see it then."

[Kathlb]

I think a lot of Kid Finder's supporters are companies owned by the Millsteads.

I'm sure you're right seeing_eye. And all of these companies are a crock as far as I'm concerned. Anyone can go online and create a site and name it as a business. No need to actually have a business, but it looks pretty legit to others. If someone actually sees it and tries to order something, then is when the scam begins. Not saying that this is the case on the weirdo's sites, since I don't have independent knowledge of that, but in my mind, I'm convinced they are scamming the public. And CA and GA right along with them. It's free money coming in for no work.

Milstead is really creepy looking to me. When he gets that irate face on and squints those beady eyes and begins threatening someone, I just want to slap that look off of his face. He really gets to me. And I wonder what happened to the "runaway girls" home he was starting?? moo

[Julie Dupree]

Good Morning,

Found this and wanted to share with you...some interesting observations on thoughts on what is contained in the documents we are all waiting for.

http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2009/08/25/new-documents-will-they-point-a-finger-at-a-print/

[Amy]

I'm sure you're right seeing_eye. And all of these companies are a crock as far as I'm concerned. Anyone can go online and create a site and name it as a business. No need to actually have a business, but it looks pretty legit to others. If someone actually sees it and tries to order something, then is when the scam begins. Not saying that this is the case on the weirdo's sites, since I don't have independent knowledge of that, but in my mind, I'm convinced they are scamming the public. And CA and GA right along with them. It's free money coming in for no work.

Milstead is really creepy looking to me. When he gets that irate face on and squints those beady eyes and begins threatening someone, I just want to slap that look off of his face. He really gets to me. And I wonder what happened to the "runaway girls" home he was starting?? moo

Bolding mine.

My bet would be, if it ever opened, the girls probably soon ran away from there!!!!

[Julie Dupree]

I'm sure you're right seeing_eye. And all of these companies are a crock as far as I'm concerned. Anyone can go online and create a site and name it as a business. No need to actually have a business, but it looks pretty legit to others. If someone actually sees it and tries to order something, then is when the scam begins. Not saying that this is the case on the weirdo's sites, since I don't have independent knowledge of that, but in my mind, I'm convinced they are scamming the public. And CA and GA right along with them. It's free money coming in for no work.

Milstead is really creepy looking to me. When he gets that irate face on and squints those beady eyes and begins threatening someone, I just want to slap that look off of his face. He really gets to me. And I wonder what happened to the "runaway girls" home he was starting?? moo

(bolding mine)
Seems I remember reading that George was suppose to be involved in this project???? Maybe I am confusing this with something else important that he was doing for them.

[LilGirl]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32572362/ns/today-today_books/

Don't know if he would have written anything about Miss Casey, but I will sure will miss his take on things in the world of crime....

[Pruddennce]

I forgot to mention that I think the Milsteads had already started Kid Finders before they met the Anthonys. I think they created it after they met Duckett.

yes, they were in 'buSINess" before the Anthonys.

early article below......they jumped in EARLY. Also of note, not in this article, but an earlier one shown below, Josh Duckett made a statement that probably didnt go over well with Cindy:

Missing Boy's Father Assists In Toddler Search
Trenton Duckett Has Been Missing Since 2006

WESH 2
July 18, 2008


"If she's got the information, I wish she would just tell. I mean, because honestly, the family deserves closure, and the family deserves to know where the baby is at. I mean, no 2-year-old should have to be away from their family," Josh Duckett said.

"Where is Caylee Marie? 'We implore everyone to get the word out,' uncle pleads..."

Gabrielle Finley
Orlando Sentinel
July 20, 2008

Kid Finders Network, an organization in West Palm Beach that aids the search for missing kids, said companies have donated fliers and are working to put together a mobile billboard detailing Caylee's disappearance. It will start rolling across Orlando on Tuesday morning, said executive director Sherri Milstead.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[cassidy]

My opinion, nah.. The Milsteads are scammers and they saw a gravy train when all this came to surface.
jmo


The Milsteads remind me of that Terminex commercial. The one where the termite shows up at the door with a pizza. Most people can see them for the bugs that they are but Cindy & George let them right in and there they stay.

JMO

[jaxback]

The Milsteads remind me of that Terminex commercial. The one where the termite shows up at the door with a pizza. Most people can see them for the bugs that they are but Cindy & George let them right in and there they stay.

JMO

:lol: What a perfect image! Aand since pizza was delivered the first night Casey was bailed out, that makes it even MORE perfect!
I always turn away when those commericals come on because the huge bugs (and their voices) are so creepy, but now I will just laugh!

[bchand]

The Milsteads remind me of that Terminex commercial. The one where the termite shows up at the door with a pizza. Most people can see them for the bugs that they are but Cindy & George let them right in and there they stay.

JMO

P E R F E C T cassidy!!!!

[desmom]

While we wait for Judge Strickland's decision on Friday's motion hearing and for the next document dump, here are the headlines we were discussing a year ago...

Missing Girl's Mom Lied, Stole From Family, Friends, Document Says
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/17300779/detail.html

Results Show Body Decomposition In Anthony's Trunk
Bounty Hunter Regrets Posting Bail
http://www.wesh.com/news/17314603/detail.html

Deputy Connected To Casey Anthony Fired
New Information Revealed In 431-Page Document Released Monday
http://www.wesh.com/news/17303070/detail.html

Exclusive Images: CSI Checks Casey's Car
http://www.clickorlando.com/slideshow/news/17315856/detail.html

DNA Test Results Of Hair, Stain Found In Car Indicate Caylee Anthony Is Dead
http://www.wftv.com/news/17315205/detail.html

Headline News: (Lenny reacts to positive air sample results)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GgX8KjFPnY&feature=channel_page

Deputy Fired After Lying About Alleged Secret Affair With Casey Anthony
http://www.wftv.com/news/17303050/detail.html

[JHP]

The Milsteads remind me of that Terminex commercial. The one where the termite shows up at the door with a pizza. Most people can see them for the bugs that they are but Cindy & George let them right in and there they stay.

JMO

IMO both family's are a little on the sociopathic side. They are each others accomplices right now. One of these days they will turn on each other.

Saturday night live could do a segment on them. I can just see the roaches sitting on the couch, eating pizza, and planning their next endevour. A pile of bears in the background.

[ish]

That might be a fairly true statement from George. I do remember articles way back in the beginning, when folks were trying to figure out who might have taken Caylee, since it certainly wasn't the invisinanny, and even tho the 31 days seemed weird, and before Lee's interviews w/LE and FBI. In several articles, it was reported that Lee had not seen Caylee for 1.5 years. IIRC, the one pic I have seen that has Lee and Caylee, she wasn't almost 3 years old, but maybe one, one and a half.

I also recall reports where it seems Lee was not @ the HopeSpring Drive house much, referencing he did not get along w/George, or preferred to be there when his dad wasn't. So, between not liking George so much, and being miffed @ Casey about the pregnancy, it could very well be that he had distanced himself from the family pretty much, except maybe Cindy, even before Caylee went "missing."

Sorry, no links. I guess I can go back to where Desmom started her "one year ago" links and see if I can come up w/these references to family dynamics. But, I coudn't find them in the links thread, because I can't find the first links thread. I had kind of looked in there one time, when it was a sticky.

my bold

I thought Lee only lived a very short distance away from G & C? I never heard that he wasn't close to George, just got the impression things were very "cool" between him and Casey. Maybe he was aware of the on going drama @ Hopespring with Cindy and Casey and just stayed away. He certainly got to the house fast enough when George called him the night of the 15th to check on Cindy.

[Sugarpunk1]

I know this is off subject so I will apologize. But I have been hospitalized for a couple of weeks. I came home and wanted to see what is going on, on the Haliegh Cummings board and there is nothing there. Could someone clue me in.....:ohmy:

[rolltide]

I just registered here today to ask you all a question. I didn't follow the case at the beginning, so I'm sure this was probably discussed back in July of '08. I would like to know your thoughts on this (since you all seem to know so much about the case) and if LE has mentioned it either.

I have been bothered by the "31 days" from the very beginning. Since Casey originally told Lee she hadn't seen Caylee for 31 days, how did they all end up telling LE it was June 9 that she went missing??

Another thing...how is it still reported that Caylee was gone for 31 days before being reported missing? That cannot be correct. From June 16 to July 15 is 29 days (if you count June 17 as being day 1, as in the first day my daughter was missing...) The only way to get 31 days is to count June 15 as day 1. This seems to be a weird way to count since she was not missing on June 15, we have seen the video. However, some people might count that as Day 1 but only if she went missing at some point that day. Casey had to have been including this day as a day she was missing, which says to me she killed her that night. Of course, it could be very simple and Casey cannot count :wink: It just seems like a Freudian slip on her part to count that as Day 1.

It is just very strange to me they all stuck with the "31 Days" story, then told police the 9th of June. How could they know how many days she was gone and not know the day she went missing? Seems very odd to me.

I haven't really seen the media questioning it either (or the fact that she wasn't missing for 31 days), but like I said I didn't really watch in the first couple weeks she was missing.

[Jeepers]

I know this is off subject so I will apologize. But I have been hospitalized for a couple of weeks. I came home and wanted to see what is going on, on the Haliegh Cummings board and there is nothing there. Could someone clue me in.....:ohmy:

It was moved to Trials and Old Cases. Good morning!

[101Spots]

I know this is off subject so I will apologize. But I have been hospitalized for a couple of weeks. I came home and wanted to see what is going on, on the Haliegh Cummings board and there is nothing there. Could someone clue me in.....:ohmy:

Apparently it has been moved to under "Trials and Old Cases." Check there.

[Sugarpunk1]

It was moved to Trials and Old Cases. Good morning!

Thank you so much and Good Morning to you also!:rolleyes:

[bchand]

Could this be another Milstead site?

http://sanitizingfoggingsystems.com/

It has the same contact info as their other site:

http://h1n1specialist.com/



Yes, Creative World Technology is definitely linked to the Milsteads.

They keep their hands in everything don't they?

[101Spots]

Yes, Creative World Technology is definitely linked to the Milsteads.

They keep their hands in everything don't they?

And everything they touch turns to s........ er, mud.

[101Spots]

It is one of those things in this case that has never been explained...they all had different dates and I think they all just went along with whatever KC said...as usual...they believed her even though she has been known to lie constantly. First KC said June 9th...so that's what Cindy said...then LE learned of a video taken June 15th at the nursing home...then George said June 16th...so who the hell knows. KC doesn't know or can't count???

This case in a nutshell: All the Anthonys lie all the time.

[desmom]

I just registered here today to ask you all a question. I didn't follow the case at the beginning, so I'm sure this was probably discussed back in July of '08. I would like to know your thoughts on this (since you all seem to know so much about the case) and if LE has mentioned it either.

I have been bothered by the "31 days" from the very beginning. Since Casey originally told Lee she hadn't seen Caylee for 31 days, how did they all end up telling LE it was June 9 that she went missing??

Another thing...how is it still reported that Caylee was gone for 31 days before being reported missing? That cannot be correct. From June 16 to July 15 is 29 days (if you count June 17 as being day 1, as in the first day my daughter was missing...) The only way to get 31 days is to count June 15 as day 1. This seems to be a weird way to count since she was not missing on June 15, we have seen the video. However, some people might count that as Day 1 but only if she went missing at some point that day. Casey had to have been including this day as a day she was missing, which says to me she killed her that night. Of course, it could be very simple and Casey cannot count :wink: It just seems like a Freudian slip on her part to count that as Day 1.

It is just very strange to me they all stuck with the "31 Days" story, then told police the 9th of June. How could they know how many days she was gone and not know the day she went missing? Seems very odd to me.

I haven't really seen the media questioning it either (or the fact that she wasn't missing for 31 days), but like I said I didn't really watch in the first couple weeks she was missing.

Welcome to the boards Rolltide! :seeya:

There is so much that is wrong about the dates and times Caylee was last seen. I can't decide if the family was trying to avoid the weekend of June 15 because of the alleged argument between Casey and Cindy or if it was as Cindy explained - she thought that was the date because that is the date Cindy's mother gave her when Cindy asked her the date Cindy and Caylee visited the nursing home.

Personally, I lean toward the argument on June 15 theory.

jmo

[spydernweb2006]

Morning!

Someone asked yesterday about why didnt BoA catch the checks cashed/used by Casey for so long. I would have posted this all last night but I was too tired.

The reason for that is beacuse after the store deposits the check, usually in a batch (bulk, or numerous checks totaled together) the bank processes the checks by machine. When checks get sent into processing they go to a proof dept where they are encoded by either someone manually 10 keying the amount or a more modern proof machine that will read the check and encode it automatically.
http://www.nmtconnect.com/proof_machines/
The checks and other bank documents are given/or put into the auto encoders in large batches/bunches/bundles. Some banks use one type, some banks do it the other way. When encoding by person the encoder/proof operator will ONLY look at the amounts not signatures. Their sole job is to make sure the transactions balance, NOT if the item is real or fradulent. The only time a proof operator stops is IF a transaction does not balance out or if an item is mangled/ripped/torn and will not be encodable unless put inside a special envelope and then encoded. From the proof dept the check will then go into a huge sorter. I cant find a picture online but believe me they are HUGE, my best estimate would be 15-20 ft long. The sorter will take an electronic picture of the item and also print order numbers on the back of the check. The sorter will sort the checks to be sent to the fed and various banks/financial instutions. The copy made by the sorter is what would be used by the fraud section IF the bank suspects illegal activity and/or fraud. The copy is kept indef by the bank on microfilm or eletronic film and can be used/will be used by the research dept in the event that abuse/fraud or to research a mistake. (such as a 100.00 deposit slip and check being encoded by a proof operator for 10.00)

So realistically unless a complaint is made by the account holder to the bank its very easy for someone to commit fraud and it take awhile to be caught. Either way its a crime!

How I know was I was a proof operator for many years.

I hope this helps.
JMHO
Hugs,
Spyder

[desmom]

Great explanation Spyder! :seeya:

[martha]

Good morning everyone, casey can count but she sure can;t tell the truth. never has and never will just like the rest of the an;s. I really think what happened to CAYLEE was the night of the 15th. casey was so mad at her mother and she wanted to get back at her some way. The only way she knew to really hurt cindy was by doing something to CAYLEE. I am sure CAYLEE was upset and crying because casey and cindy was fussing. CAYLEE did not want to go with casey she wanted to stay in the only home she had ever known. Where all her stuff was.jmho

[bchand]

It is one of those things in this case that has never been explained...they all had different dates and I think they all just went along with whatever KC said...as usual...they believed her even though she has been known to lie constantly. First KC said June 9th...so that's what Cindy said...then LE learned of a video taken June 15th at the nursing home...then George said June 16th...so who the hell knows. KC doesn't know or can't count???

I believe Cindy even threw in a June 8th date at one time.

The 31 days may be the only truth that DID come out of that house.

If the fight was on the 15th, that could be the last time Caylee was seen by anyone - so the 15th of June to the 15th of July is 31 days.

(You have to count June 15th as day 1.)

[desmom]

Good morning everyone, casey can count but she sure can;t tell the truth. never has and never will just like the rest of the an;s. I really think what happened to CAYLEE was the night of the 15th. casey was so mad at her mother and she wanted to get back at her some way. The only way she knew to really hurt cindy was by doing something to CAYLEE. I am sure CAYLEE was upset and crying because casey and cindy was fussing. CAYLEE did not want to go with casey she wanted to stay in the only home she had ever known. Where all her stuff was.jmho

Morning Martha. I have trouble with Casey killed Caylee to get back at Cindy. Maybe it is because I just don't want to believe a mother would intentionally kill their child to get back at someone. I know the headlines tell me different, but my heart just can't go there.

I do think what ever happened to Caylee was drug induced by Casey or Caylee got in the way while Casey was throwing a hissy fit and she was injured.

Cindy has said many times Caylee was not abused because she never had any suspicious marks and Cindy would know because she is a nurse. Okay, whatever. :rolleyes:

Cindy and George bought Casey's stories about work, Tampa, J'ville, the nanny...... Why wouldn't they buy Casey's stories to cover up the cause for Caylee's bruises?

i.e. Cindy: Casey what are these bruises on Caylee's arm? They look like fingerprints.
Casey: Mom she was standing on a chair, started to fall and that is where I grabbed her.

Cindy: What is this mark on Caylee's face?
Casey: She was jumping on the bed and fell. Or she was running in the house and ran into the table.

jmo

ETA ~ Judge Strickland sure is taking his time about his decisions on Friday's motion hearing. I will never make it during jury watch.

[bchand]

Just when a normal person can't conceive of a defense attorney actually trying to point the blame at someone innocent person for a crime that he KNOWS his client is guilty of - This happened yesterday in the case that InSessions is carrying live:

Defense attorney Jerry Meisner called the friend, Robert Salvador, a liar. Then Meisner went a step further:

"Mr. Salvador, didn't you fire the shot that killed and took the life of Denise Lee?"

"Absolutely not," Salvador said.

Outside the courtroom, Salvador said he was stunned by the accusation. "I was thinking he was totally ridiculous to even ask me that," Salvador said as his wife, Betsy, sobbed.


I wonder how many of Casey's friends will be accused of killing Caylee?

[cassidy]

Great explanation Spyder! :seeya:

Yes it is and I'd like to add something.
While most think that the check should have been caught immediately by the cashier, that just doesn't happen often. I once worked for the Board of Realtor here and got paid once a month. I got my check from the president of a local bank and it required 2 signatures. When I went to pick it up one month it only had one sig on it. He ( the president of the bank) told me to go ahead out to the teller and cash it, they never look at the sigs anyhow. He said all they look at are the numbers. If they dont' do it in a bank, who would expect a cashier in a store to do it? :shrug:

[desmom]

Just when a normal person can't conceive of a defense attorney actually trying to point the blame at someone innocent person for a crime that he KNOWS his client is guilty of - This happened yesterday in the case that InSessions is carrying live:

Defense attorney Jerry Meisner called the friend, Robert Salvador, a liar. Then Meisner went a step further:

"Mr. Salvador, didn't you fire the shot that killed and took the life of Denise Lee?"

"Absolutely not," Salvador said.

Outside the courtroom, Salvador said he was stunned by the accusation. "I was thinking he was totally ridiculous to even ask me that," Salvador said as his wife, Betsy, sobbed.


I wonder how many of Casey's friends will be accused of killing Caylee?

I thought that only happened on Perry Mason and Matlock. :eek:

[bchand]

I thought that only happened on Perry Mason and Matlock. :eek:

I know ! But I can picture this defense team doing it too.

(your sig line is soooo true, unfortunately. File that under, you can't win.)

[Amy]

my bold

I thought Lee only lived a very short distance away from G & C? I never heard that he wasn't close to George, just got the impression things were very "cool" between him and Casey. Maybe he was aware of the on going drama @ Hopespring with Cindy and Casey and just stayed away. He certainly got to the house fast enough when George called him the night of the 15th to check on Cindy.

Cindy was the one who said the kids were "on her side" about the situation between her and George, I think in the FBI interview. I was thinking @ the time of the articles, that Lee must have gotten far away from that house, and was surprised @ how close it turned out he lived.

[desmom]

I know ! But I can picture this defense team doing it too.

(your sig line is soooo true, unfortunately. File that under, you can't win.)

Especially JB. In his mind he is a Perry Mason/Ben Matlock/Johnny Cochran all rolled in to one. :rolleyes:

(Det. Giles, now retired, is still looking for Trenton. I linked the article on Trenton's thread http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13407736#post13407736 )

jmo

[jose]

I just registered here today to ask you all a question. I didn't follow the case at the beginning, so I'm sure this was probably discussed back in July of '08. I would like to know your thoughts on this (since you all seem to know so much about the case) and if LE has mentioned it either.

I have been bothered by the "31 days" from the very beginning. Since Casey originally told Lee she hadn't seen Caylee for 31 days, how did they all end up telling LE it was June 9 that she went missing??

Another thing...how is it still reported that Caylee was gone for 31 days before being reported missing? That cannot be correct. From June 16 to July 15 is 29 days (if you count June 17 as being day 1, as in the first day my daughter was missing...) The only way to get 31 days is to count June 15 as day 1. This seems to be a weird way to count since she was not missing on June 15, we have seen the video. However, some people might count that as Day 1 but only if she went missing at some point that day. Casey had to have been including this day as a day she was missing, which says to me she killed her that night. Of course, it could be very simple and Casey cannot count :wink: It just seems like a Freudian slip on her part to count that as Day 1.

It is just very strange to me they all stuck with the "31 Days" story, then told police the 9th of June. How could they know how many days she was gone and not know the day she went missing? Seems very odd to me.

I haven't really seen the media questioning it either (or the fact that she wasn't missing for 31 days), but like I said I didn't really watch in the first couple weeks she was missing.

Welcome I'm new here too. I have learned over the past year of lurking that the posters are well informed and insightful. I've also learned that nothing makes sense in AnthonyLand.

[Myka]

It was moved to Trials and Old Cases. Good morning!

the Orlando Sentinel is reporting Misty failed the lie detector test

good morning everyone

Welcome ROLLTIDE!!

[cassidy]

Welcome I'm new here too. I have learned over the past year of lurking that the posters are well informed and insightful. I've also learned that nothing makes sense in AnthonyLand.

Welcome! You've been paying attention :) Join in, we'd love to hear from you.

[Bala]

Yes it is and I'd like to add something.
While most think that the check should have been caught immediately by the cashier, that just doesn't happen often. I once worked for the Board of Realtor here and got paid once a month. I got my check from the president of a local bank and it required 2 signatures. When I went to pick it up one month it only had one sig on it. He ( the president of the bank) told me to go ahead out to the teller and cash it, they never look at the sigs anyhow. He said all they look at are the numbers. If they dont' do it in a bank, who would expect a cashier in a store to do it? :shrug:
Here in Canada very few store will even except a personal check anymore and when they do you almost have to sign away your first born as proof of who you are. You have to have a driver's license with your picture and a major credit card.

[cassidy]

Here in Canada very few store will even except a personal check anymore and when they do you almost have to sign away your first born as proof of who you are. You have to have a driver's license with your picture and a major credit card.

No so here where I live. I rarely use checks anymore, but have noticed that when I do, they don't even look, let alone ask for ID.

[101Spots]

Desmom's new sig:

How to cure sagging: Eat 'till the wrinkles fill out.

:lol:

I've lived by this credo for years!!!!

:D

[rolltide]

Thanks everyone for welcoming me!! And thanks so much for clearing up the confusion about the dates. Or for clearing up the fact that it's never been cleared up :glare:

I could see how Cindy would call her mom and find out that date she and Caylee visited and give that as the date. But if she believes her daughter, why not just count out the 31 days? That was Casey's original statement to her family about Caylee going missing, was that it was 31 days. To me, this was one of the biggest sticking points in my mind that A's were covering for Casey. I agree they were all attempting to avoid the June 15th date for whatever reason.

[Myka]

Here in Canada very few store will even except a personal check anymore and when they do you almost have to sign away your first born as proof of who you are. You have to have a driver's license with your picture and a major credit card.

All this talk about the checks, doesn't anyone use a debit card any more? It's much more easier to carry around, you just swipe, put in your pin # and your done.

I don't don't understand why in the world did Amy leave her checkbook in her car? You would think since she was on vacation, she would of taken her checkbook with her

[Barbara fl.]

Desmom's new sig:

How to cure sagging: Eat 'till the wrinkles fill out.

:lol:

I've lived by this credo for years!!!!

:D


Me toooooo....:lol:


Good morning everyone....

[Amy]

No so here where I live. I rarely use checks anymore, but have noticed that when I do, they don't even look, let alone ask for ID.

I also rarely use checks. And, when I do, am rarely asked for ID. I used to have my drivers' license @ the ready, but was asked so rarely I even quit doing that.

[Barbara fl.]

All this talk about the checks, doesn't anyone use a debit card any more? It's much more easier to carry around, you just swipe, put in your pin # and your done.

I don't don't understand why in the world did Amy leave her checkbook in her car? You would think since she was on vacation, she would of taken her checkbook with her

I believe that the money she had in her account was going to be for her to move with when she got back from PR...But of course Casey took care of that for her....

[desmom]

All this talk about the checks, doesn't anyone use a debit card any more? It's much more easier to carry around, you just swipe, put in your pin # and your done.

I don't don't understand why in the world did Amy leave her checkbook in her car? You would think since she was on vacation, she would of taken her checkbook with her

When DH and I travel we do not take our checkbook with us because no one wants to take an out-of-state check. We use traveler's checks, cash or a credit card.

[Myka]

I believe that the money she had in her account was going to be for her to move with when she got back from PR...But of course Casey took care of that for her....

ok thanks Barb for clearing that up for me.

[Barbara fl.]

I also rarely use checks. And, when I do, am rarely asked for ID. I used to have my drivers' license @ the ready, but was asked so rarely I even quit doing that.

Me too, I only use my debit card, this makes it easy for me to keep track of my balance....checks out there bother me...I pay most of my bills in person and take the money out of my account in advance....Infact the only bill I pay by check is my life insurance...

[Bala]

I also rarely use checks. And, when I do, am rarely asked for ID. I used to have my drivers' license @ the ready, but was asked so rarely I even quit doing that.
I don't even have checks anymore I just use my debt card for everything included paying my bills. It's doesn't cost anything and it's a quicker way to get a payment where you want it to go.

[Barbara fl.]

I know this is off subject so I will apologize. But I have been hospitalized for a couple of weeks. I came home and wanted to see what is going on, on the Haliegh Cummings board and there is nothing there. Could someone clue me in.....:ohmy:


Scroll to the bottom....I was on it this morning and I couldn't find it at first, but it showed up at the bottom...

[Amy]

Welcome to the boards Rolltide! :seeya:

There is so much that is wrong about the dates and times Caylee was last seen. I can't decide if the family was trying to avoid the weekend of June 15 because of the alleged argument between Casey and Cindy or if it was as Cindy explained - she thought that was the date because that is the date Cindy's mother gave her when Cindy asked her the date Cindy and Caylee visited the nursing home.

Personally, I lean toward the argument on June 15 theory.

jmo

I know it's been a long time since the first articles came out, but.... when did Cindy call her mom to ask when they had been there? It couldn't have been the night of the 15th, because IIRC, Cindy's mom wasn't told right away--Cindy went to her mom's to tell her about the situation, and either right before or after she and Lee went to the nursing home to tell Mr Pleasa before he could see it all on tv. IIRC, that wouldn't have been until Cindy realized this was going to be blasted all over tv and in the papers. And, I was thinking that Cindy and Casey had given the date of the 9th to LE that first night.

(I could be wrong, of course, just don't remember contact w/her mom that first night, but it's been over a year so.......:wink:)

[Bala]

I believe that the money she had in her account was going to be for her to move with when she got back from PR...But of course Casey took care of that for her....
So thanks to Casey not only did Amy have no where to move to but no money to pay for it even if she did.

[Myka]

When DH and I travel we do not take our checkbook with us because no one wants to take an out-of-state check. We use traveler's checks, cash or a credit card.

that makes since, I do the same when I go out of state for dog shows. I will hold my hotel room with a credit card but when I check in I pay cash. I do bring my checkbook because they have vendors at the dog shows and they take personal checks

[Myka]

So thanks to Casey not only did Amy have no where to move to but no money to pay for it even if she did.



Didn't Amy think she was going to move in with Casey because Casey told Amy that Cindy was going to give Casey the house to live in?

what a Classic Casey Whopper

[Barbara fl.]

No so here where I live. I rarely use checks anymore, but have noticed that when I do, they don't even look, let alone ask for ID.


I have seen people using checks out here in Florida and the clerk asked for so much ID as well as their grandmother's.....that's why I don't understand how Target just took a check from Casey, if Casey forged Amy's signature on the check, that would make it a third party check if Casey made it out to herself....

I never been able to figure that one out....and if she made the check payable to Target, then showed ID for Casey Anthony and the check belonged to Amy Helsinger, how come the clerk didn't notice that....?

[Barbara fl.]

So thanks to Casey not only did Amy have no where to move to but no money to pay for it even if she did.


Yep...Amy seems like a very nice person and Casey just walked all over that friendship....like she did with everyone else in her life....

[101Spots]

I don't even have checks anymore I just use my debt card for everything included paying my bills. It's doesn't cost anything and it's a quicker way to get a payment where you want it to go.

Out here in backwoods hillbilly country, there are many businesses that don't have card readers for debit cards and such - or they just don't take cards at all. Plus, everybody knows everybody, so check are accepted freely with no ID required.

Personally, I find that if I write a check the amount is emblazoned on my frugal soul. If I use a credit card - well, easy come, easy go, lah di dah, ain't life wonderful, the bill is HOW MUCH? :scared:

Whatever works for you.....

[JHP]

I have seen people using checks out here in Florida and the clerk asked for so much ID as well as their grandmother's.....that's why I don't understand how Target just took a check from Casey, if Casey forged Amy's signature on the check, that would make it a third party check if Casey made it out to herself....

I never been able to figure that one out....and if she made the check payable to Target, then showed ID for Casey Anthony and the check belonged to Amy Helsinger, how come the clerk didn't notice that....?

Maybe Casey stole an ID of Amys too?

[summer4meplz]

Desmom's new sig:

How to cure sagging: Eat 'till the wrinkles fill out.

:lol:

I've lived by this credo for years!!!!

:D

hiya Spots and everyone....I noticed someone wishing you a Happy Birthday on July 21....if this is your birthday...you share it with me, Robin Williams, Cat Stevens, and Barney Fife!

Yesterday, talking about the fingerprints.......if george, cindy, and lee's fingerprints weren't on anything....doesn't that stand to reason that SOMEONE'S were?

[101Spots]

I know it's been a long time since the first articles came out, but.... when did Cindy call her mom to ask when they had been there? It couldn't have been the night of the 15th, because IIRC, Cindy's mom wasn't told right away--Cindy went to her mom's to tell her about the situation, and either right before or after she and Lee went to the nursing home to tell Mr Pleasa before he could see it all on tv. IIRC, that wouldn't have been until Cindy realized this was going to be blasted all over tv and in the papers. And, I was thinking that Cindy and Casey had given the date of the 9th to LE that first night.

(I could be wrong, of course, just don't remember contact w/her mom that first night, but it's been over a year so.......:wink:)

IIRC, LE found out about the nursing home visit 6/15 and had to tell Cindy.

[Amy]

All this talk about the checks, doesn't anyone use a debit card any more? It's much more easier to carry around, you just swipe, put in your pin # and your done.

I don't don't understand why in the world did Amy leave her checkbook in her car? You would think since she was on vacation, she would of taken her checkbook with her

I use my debit card for the most part.

As for Shirly Pleasa, she seems to be around my mom's age, and for my mom, all things new fangled just discombobulate her, even tho she uses a CREDIT card, and using a debit card wouldn't be any harder. She uses the credit card @ places like WallyWorld, but continues to write checks to the grocery store and for her bills.

I am not sure what most young kids do in these parts. DD (21) used her debit card, didn't even carry the checkbook around and certainly didn't leave it anywhere in her car. DS (19) and his friends seem to use cash only, don't even HAVE a checking accounts!

[101Spots]

hiya Spots and everyone....I noticed someone wishing you a Happy Birthday on July 21....if this is your birthday...you share it with me, Robin Williams, Cat Stevens, and Barney Fife!

Yesterday, talking about the fingerprints.......if george, cindy, and lee's fingerprints weren't on anything....doesn't that stand to reason that SOMEONE'S were?

No, no, no! Please don't start that rumor again. I never filled out my birthday when I signed up, and it automatically reverted to 7/21 for some reason. Not true!!

I'm with Donovan McNabb. Whoopee. :bored:

[Barbara fl.]

I know it's been a long time since the first articles came out, but.... when did Cindy call her mom to ask when they had been there? It couldn't have been the night of the 15th, because IIRC, Cindy's mom wasn't told right away--Cindy went to her mom's to tell her about the situation, and either right before or after she and Lee went to the nursing home to tell Mr Pleasa before he could see it all on tv. IIRC, that wouldn't have been until Cindy realized this was going to be blasted all over tv and in the papers. And, I was thinking that Cindy and Casey had given the date of the 9th to LE that first night.

(I could be wrong, of course, just don't remember contact w/her mom that first night, but it's been over a year so.......:wink:)

I still can not understand how they ever came up with the ninth because it was so obvious that Caylee was in the pictures at the nursing home on the 15th (father's day)...How could they ever have forgotten about that day? the big arguement ensued father's day evening...they had Caylee on that day and when Cindy's mother told Cindy about the money missing from the fathers assisted living fund.....Too much happened on that day to forget.....very odd...

[Barbara fl.]

Maybe Casey stole an ID of Amys too?


They never mentioned any ID's being stolen, only the checks....Casey seemed so sure of herself when giving the clerk that check....

[Amy]

I still can not understand how they ever came up with the ninth because it was so obvious that Caylee was in the pictures at the nursing home on the 15th (father's day)...How could they ever have forgotten about that day? the big arguement ensued father's day evening...they had Caylee on that day and when Cindy's mother told Cindy about the money missing from the fathers assisted living fund.....Too much happened on that day to forget.....very odd...

IIRC, Cindy had 2 explanations. That for some reason she had tho't that Father's Day was the 9th. The other was that Casey had heard her say the 9th, so that is what Casey said, too. Or, was it that Cindy had heard Casey and repeated? I think the trouble w/my trying to figure out who said when and what is because they lie, lie, lie, and I couldn't keep up!!!!

[Barbara fl.]

Employee's who don't look...don't care???


I retired from the airlines in 2005, just when electronic ticketing was becoming popular...but people were still coming up and paying for tickets with checks....I also did the Management credit reports at the end of the day for the station....and every check had to have the total ID written on the back and front of the check, address had to match as well...because if that check bounced the insurance company wouldn't cover it without all that info on it.....and the agent would receive a write up...

I guess Target's clerks don't care, like you said.....

I hope this wisend up Target, they had to see their store all over the media...

[Barbara fl.]

IIRC, Cindy had 2 explanations. That for some reason she had tho't that Father's Day was the 9th. The other was that Casey had heard her say the 9th, so that is what Casey said, too. Or, was it that Cindy had heard Casey and repeated? I think the trouble w/my trying to figure out who said when and what is because they lie, lie, lie, and I couldn't keep up!!!!


You are so right....I can not figure how THEY keep up with all their lies...Wait till they all take the stand....They will confuse the judge...

[happygert]

Dang Whats taking Judge Strickland so long to make his rulings? Wonder if defense has flooded him with more motions on this case. maybe he's going thru all of TES volunteers.. dang hope we get some rulings soon..

[Barbara fl.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGxKL8xM1YI&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideosearch%3 Fq%3Dcasey%2520anthony%2520video%2520at%2520target %26sourceid%3Dnavclient-ff%26rlz%3D1B2GGFB_enUS215US216%26um%3D1%26&feature=player_embedded

From what I see in this video KC handing the clerks the check and a swipe card...I would assume it is a Target card...who's??? KC's or Amy's??? I do not see her giving the clerk any identification. Also both times the clerks did not look at the swipe card..just swiped it and handed it back.

I wonder what excuse she gave Amy when she returned from PR..Amy had to know right away that her money was gone and Casey didn't go to any great lengths to cover up that she was the one using them...

Casey is a piece of work.......she got to the point that she didn't care who knew what she was doing....

[happygert]

They never mentioned any ID's being stolen, only the checks....Casey seemed so sure of herself when giving the clerk that check....

What was it that LE took from casey's billfold and kept? cindy took the money and IIRC lee said that LE took something he didnt know if it was an ID or cc..

[Barbara fl.]

What was it that LE took from casey's billfold and kept? cindy took the money and IIRC lee said that LE took something he didnt know if it was an ID or cc..


I don't know what LE took, but Cindy took the money out first......Even when her granddaughter was first missing Cindy couldn't help but think of the money first....That would have been the farthest thing from my mind....

[JHP]

They never mentioned any ID's being stolen, only the checks....Casey seemed so sure of herself when giving the clerk that check....

I know, She was quite the happy shopper wasn't she? I just thought maybe she had an old school ID of Amys that she threw out when she had exhausted her resources.

I can't check out at target without thinking about the security cameras filming me.

[happygert]

I wonder what excuse she gave Amy when she returned from PR..Amy had to know right away that her money was gone and Casey didn't go to any great lengths to cover up that she was the one using them...

Casey is a piece of work.......she got to the point that she didn't care who knew what she was doing....

IMO casey thinks she entitled to everything , just like cindy and the rest of the A's..entitled to the good life and not having to work for it..

[Barbara fl.]

I know, She was quite the happy shopper wasn't she? I just thought maybe she had an old school ID of Amys that she threw out when she had exhausted her resources.

I can't check out at target without thinking about the security cameras filming me.

I know what you mean....Casey just looked so confident while she was spending someone else's money...she didn't bat an eyelash....she shopped away....and she brazenly signed Amy's name on the check right in front of the clerk....that is Ba**s.....

[Barbara fl.]

IMO casey thinks she entitled to everything , just like cindy and the rest of the A's..entitled to the good life and not having to work for it..


You make a good point...they do think they are owed something....

[JHP]

I know what you mean....Casey just looked so confident while she was spending someone else's money...she didn't bat an eyelash....she shopped away....and she brazenly signed Amy's name on the check right in front of the clerk....that is Ba**s.....

Poor Amy, All she was trying to do was to be a good friend. By the time this whole thing is over she will have probably spent thousands. And Cindy even took her money, and knew she did it. Simply dreadful, the whole lot of them.

[nana6]

I still can not understand how they ever came up with the ninth because it was so obvious that Caylee was in the pictures at the nursing home on the 15th (father's day)...How could they ever have forgotten about that day? the big arguement ensued father's day evening...they had Caylee on that day and when Cindy's mother told Cindy about the money missing from the fathers assisted living fund.....Too much happened on that day to forget.....very odd...

Hi Barb, I have always wondered if something else happened on the 9th in other words that date was om their minds.

[nana6]

I know what you mean....Casey just looked so confident while she was spending someone else's money...she didn't bat an eyelash....she shopped away....and she brazenly signed Amy's name on the check right in front of the clerk....that is Ba**s.....

B
arb, IMO Casey did not look that confident in court last week did she?? That was the first time i thought she treally looked awful and worried.

[JHP]

Hi Barb, I have always wondered if something else happened on the 9th in other words that date was om their minds.

I have thought they used the 9th because it was a week before Caylees demise. So if LE found her and was able to figure out the date of death, it was a week after Casey dropped her with the nanny. Caylee had been with the Invisinanny for a week before she was killed.

The 31 days is also interesting for me because of when my dad died. first I counted days. Then I counted weeks, after 16 or so I moved to months.

[nana6]

I have thought they used the 9th because it was a week before Caylees demise. So if LE found her and was able to figure out the date of death, it was a week after Casey dropped her with the nanny. Caylee had been with the Invisinanny for a week before she was killed.

very good thought Barb

[cassidy]

Dang Whats taking Judge Strickland so long to make his rulings? Wonder if defense has flooded him with more motions on this case. maybe he's going thru all of TES volunteers.. dang hope we get some rulings soon..

He's thinking Gert. Mulling it all over. Trying to come up with the best possible solution. Corossing his T's and dotting his I's. he doesn't want anything coming back at him in a bad way.

JMO

[cassidy]

I have thought they used the 9th because it was a week before Caylees demise. So if LE found her and was able to figure out the date of death, it was a week after Casey dropped her with the nanny. Caylee had been with the Invisinanny for a week before she was killed.

Interesting theory. Do you think Casey is that clever?

[101Spots]

Hi Barb, I have always wondered if something else happened on the 9th in other words that date was om their minds.

I think something did happen on the 9th, perhaps another big fight with Cindy. Casey *and* Caylee spend the night of the 9th with Ricardo - not really a usual thing. I think Casey did the "OK, you'll never see Caylee again" hissy fit that night - prompting Lee to ask her if this "was like the last time." By the end of the week, everyone had pretty well kissed and made up. Then on the 15th Cindy found out about Shirley's check and the moo-poo hit the oscillating unit all over again.

MOO

And I could be wrong.

[nana6]

I think something did happen on the 9th, perhaps another big fight with Cindy. Casey *and* Caylee spend the night of the 9th with Ricardo - not really a usual thing. I think Casey did the "OK, you'll never see Caylee again" hissy fit that night - prompting Lee to ask her if this "was like the last time." By the end of the week, everyone had pretty well kissed and made up. Then on the 15th Cindy found out about Shirley's check and the moo-poo hit the oscillating unit all over again.

MOO

And I could be wrong.

and this is why i love to come on this board to see everyones thoughts. I think you guys are the best!!!
Very intersting thought.

[nana6]

Interesting theory. Do you think Casey is that clever?

no, but i think if you put a few good liars in a room they can come up with something good

[8BellesFan]

I think something did happen on the 9th, perhaps another big fight with Cindy. Casey *and* Caylee spend the night of the 9th with Ricardo - not really a usual thing. I think Casey did the "OK, you'll never see Caylee again" hissy fit that night - prompting Lee to ask her if this "was like the last time." By the end of the week, everyone had pretty well kissed and made up. Then on the 15th Cindy found out about Shirley's check and the moo-poo hit the oscillating unit all over again.

MOO

And I could be wrong.


so you're saying moo poo guy fan?

[cassidy]

no, but i think if you put a few good liars in a room they can come up with something good

You do have a point there ! :)

[JHP]

Interesting theory. Do you think Casey is that clever?

No, but I think someone else is.

[KittyMom]

For those who remember...

Today marks the anniversary of Trenton Duckett's disappearance.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=335342&page=6&highlight=Trenton+Duckett

[*Serenity*]

Well it is NOON in Florida right now and I take it that the Judge is still sitting on his Motion-Decisions. Sheesh-- why is this taking him so long? Is he waiting another week in hopes of Baez being called on the carpet by the Bar Association-and can no longer appear in court? That would be easy for the Judge to NOT answer the motions right now.

NOW-- when will the Sunshine Law get that doc-dump out to all the bloggers following this case? Is that hard to get a mere few copies? I realize 2,000 pages seems overwhelming, however most of those pages are signatures... LOL......

Any other updates for today?

TIA

[nana6]

No, but I think someone else is.

like i said, the whole lot of them lie. It is just an everyday occurence imo for them. If you put them all together in a pow wow they can surely come up with some good ones!!!

[JHP]

like i said, the whole lot of them lie. It is just an everyday occurence imo for them. If you put them all together in a pow wow they can surely come up with some good ones!!!

Oh my gosh you are so right! Hence the script. LE just didn't get a copy so they didn't play their part right. Thank God

[cassidy]

like i said, the whole lot of them lie. It is just an everyday occurence imo for them. If you put them all together in a pow wow they can surely come up with some good ones!!!

They may all be good liars, but they aren't good planners. They all forgot all about that danged Father's Day video didn't they? or was it just Cindy that biffed it all up?

[101Spots]

so you're saying moo poo guy fan?

Yes. I see you speak fluent Restaurant.

[spydernweb2006]

I know, She was quite the happy shopper wasn't she? I just thought maybe she had an old school ID of Amys that she threw out when she had exhausted her resources.

I can't check out at target without thinking about the security cameras filming me.

Hate to tell ya but almost every store now has video on ya when you shop. So remember DONT pick your nose, scratch your butt or do anything that can be used as entertainment at the store christmas party!

I know cause one year I worked a VERY high end dept store for extra holiday cash and you would not believe the hilarious stuff people did on camera!

JMHO

Hugs,

Spyder

[nana6]

They may all be good liars, but they aren't good planners. They all forgot all about that danged Father's Day video didn't they? or was it just Cindy that biffed it all up?

Hi Cassidy, I imagine the list goes on and on All the lies LE has caught them in. Oh this trial is going to be a doozy!!

[*Serenity*]

For those who remember...

Today marks the anniversary of Trenton Duckett's disappearance.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=335342&page=6&highlight=Trenton+Duckett


I have never forgot about this sweet little boy.

I still remain strong with my opinion that Casey-o-- researched this case, and I betcha that will be on her computer searches! Casey more than likely even knew a lot of details about this case from the news, and remembered how Melinda pulled this off. Only difference: MD could not handle the noose tightening around her neck so she took her own life before the state could nab her. Casey thought she would be one step ahead and be smarter than MD.... LOL nope Casey didn't plan too much ahead. She was thinking the more time went by the easier it would be to get away with Caylee missing.

Remember he comment to TonE about having that extra $5,000 -- per Casey that was her back up plan...? If she had $5,000 cash stashed anywhere and Cindy found it... we all know how those grabbing hands are. I just don't believe she even had 2 nickels to rub together, unless it was someone else's.

[happygert]

You make a good point...they do think they are owed something....

Yes they sure do.. the also think they are above the law they can do what ever they want with no consequences to their actions.. seems like that has been in norm in that family for years...casey, stealing money, stealing cc from mommy, lying to everyone including FBI and LE, bed hopping from guy to guy, partying, yelling and screaming at her parents, cusing them out, = no consequences to those actions why would she think she'd have any for murder? mommy's always covered for her.. cindy and george, lying to FBI, LE, destroying evidence, hindering an on going investigation, giving FBI wrong hairbrush, obstruction of justice, george lying under oath, george stealing $1500 dollars worth of supplies from TES. cindy lying about TM, cindy lying about what kind of mother casey was, george lying about last time he seen Caylee.. the list goes on and on..= no consequences to their actions either.. when will this stop?

If I had done any of the above I'd already have new set of bracelets and new address..

[sully]

I think something did happen on the 9th, perhaps another big fight with Cindy. Casey *and* Caylee spend the night of the 9th with Ricardo - not really a usual thing. I think Casey did the "OK, you'll never see Caylee again" hissy fit that night - prompting Lee to ask her if this "was like the last time." By the end of the week, everyone had pretty well kissed and made up. Then on the 15th Cindy found out about Shirley's check and the moo-poo hit the oscillating unit all over again.

MOO

And I could be wrong.

I think you're right on! Things were not happy around the A house - I seem to recall KC avoiding Cindy for her 50th birthday around that time. Things were just building up to the big argument on the 15th.
I think KC was desparate to get out of her mother's house-but she didn't have the skills to support herself and Caylee. The only thing she knew how to do was lie and manhunt!! KC was banking on one of these men to get her out of her prison!!
Funny thing is that the only man who WOULD have gotten her out that prison was Jesse!!:huh:

[desmom]

Man Wrote Letter Offering Reward For "Zanny"
http://www.wftv.com/news/20582348/detail.html

Read Letter: Man Offers Reward To "Zanny"
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20582129/detail.html

[desmom]

Tim Miller Named Material Witness In Casey Case
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/8/27/tim_miller_material_witness_in_casey_case.html

A judge has named Texas EquuSearch founder Tim Miller as a material witness in the Casey Anthony case.

Judge Stan Strickland made the decision Thursday morning.........

Strickland has decided to hold off on making a ruling about forcing Texas EquuSearch to turn over the names and information of volunteers who took part in the search for Caylee Anthony.

ETA ~ From WFTV Twitter: http://twitter.com/CaseyAnthonyCh9
Judge has ruled to certify Tim Miller as a witness in the case against Casey Anthony -- we'll have his order posted shortly

[JHP]

Hate to tell ya but almost every store now has video on ya when you shop. So remember DONT pick your nose, scratch your butt or do anything that can be used as entertainment at the store christmas party!

I know cause one year I worked a VERY high end dept store for extra holiday cash and you would not believe the hilarious stuff people did on camera!

JMHO

Hugs,

Spyder

Love your state! I try to be careful:wink:

[101Spots]

Man Wrote Letter Offering Reward For "Zanny"
http://www.wftv.com/news/20582348/detail.html

Read Letter: Man Offers Reward To "Zanny"
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20582129/detail.html

Ooooooooooooooooooookay. Now we know who Steven Perry Sr is. A kook. Maybe a rich kook, maybe not a rich kook. But a kook.

On the other hand, I just might look into changing my name to Zanny T. Nanny. I could use a few bucks. :D

[101Spots]

Tim Miller Named Material Witness In Casey Case
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/8/27/tim_miller_material_witness_in_casey_case.html

A judge has named Texas EquuSearch founder Tim Miller as a material witness in the Casey Anthony case.

Judge Stan Strickland made the decision Thursday morning.........

Strickland has decided to hold off on making a ruling about forcing Texas EquuSearch to turn over the names and information of volunteers who took part in the search for Caylee Anthony.

ETA ~ From WFTV Twitter: http://twitter.com/CaseyAnthonyCh9
Judge has ruled to certify Tim Miller as a witness in the case against Casey Anthony -- we'll have his order posted shortly

Stanley is waffling. :mad:

[happygert]

Well it is NOON in Florida right now and I take it that the Judge is still sitting on his Motion-Decisions. Sheesh-- why is this taking him so long? Is he waiting another week in hopes of Baez being called on the carpet by the Bar Association-and can no longer appear in court? That would be easy for the Judge to NOT answer the motions right now.

NOW-- when will the Sunshine Law get that doc-dump out to all the bloggers following this case? Is that hard to get a mere few copies? I realize 2,000 pages seems overwhelming, however most of those pages are signatures... LOL......

Any other updates for today?

TIA


I dont know what's taking the Judge so long.. IMO he's been usually pretty prompt in his rulings..dang it's been almost a week hope he send them down soon.. biting finger nails....lol..

[spydernweb2006]

Man Wrote Letter Offering Reward For "Zanny"
http://www.wftv.com/news/20582348/detail.html

Read Letter: Man Offers Reward To "Zanny"
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20582129/detail.html

You couldnt pay me enough to ever get involved in this case! No amount of cash would be worth dealing with the Anthony Family!

Now if I had any info/facts that would help bring justice to Caylee, Id gladly do that for FREE!

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

[happygert]

Tim Miller Named Material Witness In Casey Case
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/8/27/tim_miller_material_witness_in_casey_case.html

A judge has named Texas EquuSearch founder Tim Miller as a material witness in the Casey Anthony case.

Judge Stan Strickland made the decision Thursday morning.........

Strickland has decided to hold off on making a ruling about forcing Texas EquuSearch to turn over the names and information of volunteers who took part in the search for Caylee Anthony.

ETA ~ From WFTV Twitter: http://twitter.com/CaseyAnthonyCh9
Judge has ruled to certify Tim Miller as a witness in the case against Casey Anthony -- we'll have his order posted shortly

he'll have to testify for casey? if so becareful what you've asked for jb and company.. dang what about the check fraud case?

[Barbara fl.]

B
arb, IMO Casey did not look that confident in court last week did she?? That was the first time i thought she treally looked awful and worried.



She looked as though jail was taking a toll on her...she didn't look like she is getting too much sleep either (bags underthe eyes).....maybe her nightmares are back....:glare:

[happygert]

You couldnt pay me enough to ever get involved in this case! No amount of cash would be worth dealing with the Anthony Family!

Now if I had any info/facts that would help bring justice to Caylee, Id gladly do that for FREE!

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

Oh no kook indeed, but its also out there for the DA office look there was a million dollar reward out for the nanny who ever took care of Caylee .. NO ONE ever came forward........lol..

[desmom]

Anthony's Defense Gets Access To Searcher Data
Defense Says Remains Were Placed In Woods While Anthony Jailed
http://www.wesh.com/news/20582620/detail.html

Casey Anthony's defense team will have access to the records of 32 searchers who looked within a couple hundred yards of where Caylee Anthony's remains were found.

[Barbara fl.]

Poor Amy, All she was trying to do was to be a good friend. By the time this whole thing is over she will have probably spent thousands. And Cindy even took her money, and knew she did it. Simply dreadful, the whole lot of them.

And Amy was probably a very good friend to have, she just looks like that type of person....


Wonder if Baez will try and make her look suspect also...I wouldn't put it past them.....They will probably aske hr "how mad was she that Casey stole her money"? and "was she mad enough to commit murder to hurt Casey"? I wouldn't put anything past this defense team....

[happygert]

I have never forgot about this sweet little boy.

I still remain strong with my opinion that Casey-o-- researched this case, and I betcha that will be on her computer searches! Casey more than likely even knew a lot of details about this case from the news, and remembered how Melinda pulled this off. Only difference: MD could not handle the noose tightening around her neck so she took her own life before the state could nab her. Casey thought she would be one step ahead and be smarter than MD.... LOL nope Casey didn't plan too much ahead. She was thinking the more time went by the easier it would be to get away with Caylee missing.

Remember he comment to TonE about having that extra $5,000 -- per Casey that was her back up plan...? If she had $5,000 cash stashed anywhere and Cindy found it... we all know how those grabbing hands are. I just don't believe she even had 2 nickels to rub together, unless it was someone else's.

I still wonder what casey did with that $4400 dollars casey was supposed to deposit in cindy and georges account?

[101Spots]

Anthony's Defense Gets Access To Searcher Data
Defense Says Remains Were Placed In Woods While Anthony Jailed
http://www.wesh.com/news/20582620/detail.html

Casey Anthony's defense team will have access to the records of 32 searchers who looked within a couple hundred yards of where Caylee Anthony's remains were found.

So I'm reading this as NeJames - 1, Lyon - 0. Is that right?

[Barbara fl.]

Yes they sure do.. the also think they are above the law they can do what ever they want with no consequences to their actions.. seems like that has been in norm in that family for years...casey, stealing money, stealing cc from mommy, lying to everyone including FBI and LE, bed hopping from guy to guy, partying, yelling and screaming at her parents, cusing them out, = no consequences to those actions why would she think she'd have any for murder? mommy's always covered for her.. cindy and george, lying to FBI, LE, destroying evidence, hindering an on going investigation, giving FBI wrong hairbrush, obstruction of justice, george lying under oath, george stealing $1500 dollars worth of supplies from TES. cindy lying about TM, cindy lying about what kind of mother casey was, george lying about last time he seen Caylee.. the list goes on and on..= no consequences to their actions either.. when will this stop?

If I had done any of the above I'd already have new set of bracelets and new address..



I am familiar with everything you wrote except the 1500.00 worth of supplies from TES....What was that about?....sorry but sometimes I miss important information....

[happygert]

Dang wasn't he supposed to rule on LP and company too?

[happygert]

I am familiar with everything you wrote except the 1500.00 worth of supplies from TES....What was that about?....sorry but sometimes I miss important information....

Tim Miller sent george to Kinkos to get supplies that they donated to Tim.. george went and got them and DID NOT GIVE them to TES he kept them.... so Tim had to come up with $1500 dollars more to go and replace them.. TES also had donation jar that had appox 300.00 dollars in it cindy wanted that money she accused Tim of stealing it.. he gave her the jar.. she caused so much trouble and people who donated money to TES made horrible calls and email him wanting donations back.. that family is a bunch of looney's..

[Barbara fl.]

Dang wasn't he supposed to rule on LP and company too?




I have a funny feeling about LP being called as a state witness....I don't think he will make for a good witness due to the fact that he had been asked to take a poly and that it was insinuated by LE that he had planted the items in Blanchard park for publicity...The state will have a hard time trying to say that LP is credible under those circumstances...JMO

[Lapis]

Well it is NOON in Florida right now and I take it that the Judge is still sitting on his Motion-Decisions. Sheesh-- why is this taking him so long? Is he waiting another week in hopes of Baez being called on the carpet by the Bar Association-and can no longer appear in court? That would be easy for the Judge to NOT answer the motions right now.

NOW-- when will the Sunshine Law get that doc-dump out to all the bloggers following this case? Is that hard to get a mere few copies? I realize 2,000 pages seems overwhelming, however most of those pages are signatures... LOL......

Any other updates for today?

TIA

Has it occurred to anyone that the judge has other more pressing matters, like the foreclosure schedule where the lives of real people with real problems lay in the balance? The state handed him a three hour CD to listen to at the hearing. Maybe he has to do some research since at the hearing it appeared that this was an issue that no one was completely versed in the law.

Give the guy a break. None of the motions pending are time sensitive.

JMO

[Barbara fl.]

Tim Miller sent george to Kinkos to get supplies that they donated to Tim.. george went and got them and DID NOT GIVE them to TES he kept them.... so Tim had to come up with $1500 dollars more to go and replace them..


Gee, I never heard that...Tim Miller should have done something about that....

That was an act typical of that family.....Cindy and George both hated that Tim Miller was on the scene (they feared he would find Caylee's body)....

Meanwhile the Anthony's buy a boat to look for missing children....well one can not expect to find a live child in the ocean....

The Anthony's are a piece of work.......

[really3997]

So I'm reading this as NeJames - 1, Lyon - 0. Is that right?

I just told my Co-worker to let me know if she gets a call.:scared:

[101Spots]

I have a funny feeling about LP being called as a state witness....I don't think he will make for a good witness due to the fact that he had been asked to take a poly and that it was insinuated by LE that he had planted the items in Blanchard park for publicity...The state will have a hard time trying to say that LP is credible under those circumstances...JMO

I really don't look for the state to call Lenny. I think they're after Tracy, the woman who stayed in the house for that 8 or 9 days. Remember when she got a lawyer? Something is up with her.

Lenny (love him!) is a blowhard and not worth calling. He got kicked out of the house right away - what could he know?

[Barbara fl.]

On JVM last night, the lady lawyer (I can't think of her name)...the one that yells alot...she made a comment that it's absurd to think that the public is getting all the doc's, that the state is holding on to a whole lot.....

Well the problem with that, is, according the the Sunshine Law...everything has to be turned over to the defense prior to the trial or it can not be admissable....Yes, it's true that they do not have to turn over anything that would jeopardize a fair trial....however, I do not think that LE would have anything of that nature...everything they have are basically facts that can really not be argued too much...JMO

[AlohaRainbow]

so you're saying moo poo guy fan?

:ohmy:
:biggrin:

[happygert]

Has it occurred to anyone that the judge has other more pressing matters, like the foreclosure schedule where the lives of real people with real problems lay in the balance? The state handed him a three hour CD to listen to at the hearing. Maybe he has to do some research since at the hearing it appeared that this was an issue that no one was completely versed in the law.

Give the guy a break. None of the motions pending are time sensitive.

JMO

sorry lapis I tend to disagree about the more pressing matters.. TO me there is no more pressing matter then the MURDER of CHILD.. I guess what your saying is Caylee this dead child should be once again put on the back burner. because after all where is she going .Because the living have the real problems..

[cassidy]

I really don't look for the state to call Lenny. I think they're after Tracy, the woman who stayed in the house for that 8 or 9 days. Remember when she got a lawyer? Something is up with her.

Lenny (love him!) is a blowhard and not worth calling. He got kicked out of the house right away - what could he know?

i still think Lenny's huge camper parked outside the house was full of surveilence equipment and Lenny knows a whole lot of stuff that Lenny can't share. He probably picked up bits and pieces of converstaions ( hence is differing theories). But Lenny knows stuff, I'd bet the farm on that.

JMO

[Barbara fl.]

I really don't look for the state to call Lenny. I think they're after Tracy, the woman who stayed in the house for that 8 or 9 days. Remember when she got a lawyer? Something is up with her.

Lenny (love him!) is a blowhard and not worth calling. He got kicked out of the house right away - what could he know?

Exactly....Everything Lenny said was told to him by someone else or he made it up.....He could not have gotten all that info in one short evening....

[happygert]

Gee, I never heard that...Tim Miller should have done something about that....

That was an act typical of that family.....Cindy and George both hated that Tim Miller was on the scene (they feared he would find Caylee's body)....

Meanwhile the Anthony's buy a boat to look for missing children....well one can not expect to find a live child in the ocean....

The Anthony's are a piece of work.......

Yep children learn what they live.. they sure taught casey well..

[Lapis]

sorry lapis I tend to disagree about the more pressing matters.. TO me there is no more pressing matter then the MURDER of CHILD.. I guess what your saying is Caylee this dead child should be once again put on the back burner. because after all where is she going .Because the living have the real problems..

That is not what I am saying at all. Please do not read things into my posts. The trial is scheduled for the summer. He can take the time he needs to make the right decision. You have to stop thinking this case is the most important thing in the world. And yes I do believe that the living are entitled to the time and attention of the courts. JMO

[*Serenity*]

Has it occurred to anyone that the judge has other more pressing matters, like the foreclosure schedule where the lives of real people with real problems lay in the balance? The state handed him a three hour CD to listen to at the hearing. Maybe he has to do some research since at the hearing it appeared that this was an issue that no one was completely versed in the law.

Give the guy a break. None of the motions pending are time sensitive.

JMO

I certainly hope there is more than just Judge Strickland to handle cases.

just-sayin....
In my opinion he has plenty of time to answer-- and we all know how he channel surfs obtaining information. lol

This is my just my opinion, for what's it worth.

:)

[101Spots]

i still think Lenny's huge camper parked outside the house was full of surveilence equipment and Lenny knows a whole lot of stuff that Lenny can't share. He probably picked up bits and pieces of converstaions ( hence is differing theories). But Lenny knows stuff, I'd bet the farm on that.

JMO

Let me rephrase.

What could Lenny contribute?

All the pertinent facts can be squeezed out of someone a lot closer to the scene than Lenny, as far as testimony.

I do think Lenny knows more than we do, but only as tidbits. He doesn't know the bigger picture. "Trees ---> Forest" kind of thing.

[*Serenity*]

That is not what I am saying at all. Please do not read things into my posts. The trial is scheduled for the summer. He can take the time he needs to make the right decision. You have to stop thinking this case is the most important thing in the world. And yes I do believe that the living are entitled to the time and attention of the courts. JMO

Of course the living need attention in the courts-- no one would think any differently.

Like I stated: there has to be more than just one Judge Strickland in Orlando... LOL

[desmom]

Tim Miller To Testify In Casey Anthony Case
http://www.wftv.com/news/20583028/detail.html

Judge's Order: http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20582267/detail.html

[happygert]

That is not what I am saying at all. Please do not read things into my posts. The trial is scheduled for the summer. He can take the time he needs to make the right decision. You have to stop thinking this case is the most important thing in the world. And yes I do believe that the living are entitled to the time and attention of the courts. JMO

This case isn't the most important thing in the world BUT Caylee is very important to almost every person here.. HER murder is the reason we are here on this board. Oh yes the living are .. but however CAYLEES time and ATTENTION in the COURTS are also very important.. If the SA's office and the courts are not her voice then who is? See Caylee CAN'T speak casey made sure of that.. So if by me thinking Caylee is as important as the Living so be it..

[101Spots]

Tim Miller To Testify In Casey Anthony Case
http://www.wftv.com/news/20583028/detail.html

Judge's Order: http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20582267/detail.html

And Jose has to pay *up front.* :D

[court~critic1®]

:cursing:


Just read where this spineless judge cow-towed to jb AGAIN as I predicted.

Caylee, the murdered child has been completely forgotten by all as usual.

Back to reading. I am to upset to type what I really think.

safe one all!

[Lapis]

Of course the living need attention in the courts-- no one would think any differently.

Like I stated: there has to be more than just one Judge Strickland in Orlando... LOL

Of course there are more judges and those judges have calendars just as Judge Strickland does. Maybe you would be willing to pay the judge to just concentrate on this one case but I am not. The judge prioritizes just as you do in your life. I would be willing to bet this is not the most pressing thing on his calendar. JMO

[happygert]

Tim Miller To Testify In Casey Anthony Case
http://www.wftv.com/news/20583028/detail.html

Judge's Order: http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20582267/detail.html

Well they got what NeJame offered.. bet they dont like the part where they'll have to pay in advance.. they can get a depo from him. that was what NeJame suggested in court..

[happygert]

And Jose has to pay *up front.* :D

Oh yes and we know how jb likes doing that.. this may never come about because he's has to pay expenses..

[desmom]

Judge's Order: http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20582267/detail.html

1. Attorney for Tim Miller and TES has agreed to present Tim as a rep of TES for deposition in Orlando. "court does not address the issue as to whether Timothy Miller need to be deemed a material witness and said issue is rendered moot;"

2. Expenses related to the depostion are to be paid by Casey prior to the deposition.

3. 32 searchers referenced by attorney for TES at the 8/21 hearing are to be disclosed to the State and Defense.

4. All documents related to other searchers working with or under TES are not to be disclosed. Defense and prosecution can review all other documents relating to the searchers at Nejames law office. If additional searchers are found, they may be presented to the court for in camera review. No notes, photographs or copies shall be taken of other searchers documents and no disclosure regarding other searchers shall be disclosed by the defense unless approved by this Court.

5. Casey shall bear all costs necessary to allow her counsel to review all referenced documents and expenses will be paid in advance.

6. Counsel for Tim and TES is entitled to be monitor the inspection at all times. "To further safeguard the requirements of this Order and will provide a representative at a minimal and reasonable expense; said expense to be paid by the defense." A dispute over reasonable costs will be resolved by the Court prior to inspection.

I like Judge Strickland. jmo

[spydernweb2006]

IMO having Tim Miller testify coud vey well be a good thing for the Prosecution and a horrible thing for the defense. Imagine the jury hearing by direct testimony that the area where Caylee was eventually discovered was under water and NOT searched by TES and have photos of that area showing standing water to back it up!

Add in the forensic testimony regarding vegetation growth thru the remains and it could well be the evidence that could give Casey the DP.

JMHO

hugs,
Spyder

[JHP]

Well they got what NeJame offered.. bet they dont like the part where they'll have to pay in advance.. they can get a depo from him. that was what NeJame suggested in court..

I thought NeJame was right on target with offering to be paid. Something Baez doesn't like to do. Pay for anything. I wonder if Baez will follow thru with the questioning.
As much as I didn't care for Mr. NeJame before this case, I'm beggining to love him.

He totally rocks!

[summer4meplz]

IMO having Tim Miller testify coud vey well be a good thing for the Prosecution and a horrible thing for the defense. Imagine the jury hearing by direct testimony that the area where Caylee was eventually discovered was under water and NOT searched by TES and have photos of that area showing standing water to back it up!

Add in the forensic testimony regarding vegetation growth thru the remains and it could well be the evidence that could give Casey the DP.

JMHO

hugs,
Spyder

to say nothing of what Tim will testify to as to casey's demeanor while he was visiting their home....

[happygert]

IMO having Tim Miller testify coud vey well be a good thing for the Prosecution and a horrible thing for the defense. Imagine the jury hearing by direct testimony that the area where Caylee was eventually discovered was under water and NOT searched by TES and have photos of that area showing standing water to back it up!

Add in the forensic testimony regarding vegetation growth thru the remains and it could well be the evidence that could give Casey the DP.

JMHO

hugs,
Spyder

I agree. jb and co. becareful what you ask for..

[happygert]

I thought NeJame was right on target with offering to be paid. Something Baez doesn't like to do. Pay for anything. I wonder if Baez will follow thru with the questioning.
As much as I didn't care for Mr. NeJame before this case, I'm beggining to love him.

He totally rocks!

Yes.. I dont know when he's got to get his check book out may be very limited .. I didnt either when he first started a cindy and georges attorney.. but when he quit and gave RK the money that the a's gave him.. I thought umm.. not like the A'a at all.. btw bet they were fuming when neJame gave RK that money and made it clear it was from the money the A's gave him......:lol:

[desmom]

Now lets hear about Lenny and Crew and see a doc dump.....especially Lenny and Crew's LE interviews.

[happygert]

Now lets hear about Lenny and Crew and see a doc dump.....especially Lenny and Crew's LE interviews.

Yes .. I want to see those. may be very interesting...wonder if judge made a ruling on LP and Co.?

[AnniePie]

[QUOTE=jose;13407752]Welcome I'm new here too. I have learned over the past year of lurking that the posters are well informed and insightful. I've also learned that nothing makes sense in AnthonyLand.[QUOTE]

:thumbup: You got that right, jose!

Welcome to all the new posters.

[JHP]

Yes.. I dont know when he's got to get his check book out may be very limited .. I didnt either when he first started a cindy and georges attorney.. but when he quit and gave RK the money that the a's gave him.. I thought umm.. not like the A'a at all.. btw bet they were fuming when neJame gave RK that money and made it clear it was from the money the A's gave him......:lol:

I think the A's (besides being difficult) were trying to pull something pretty shady with Tim Miller among other people. NeJame wanted no part of it, graciously dropped them, and got to Tim as fast as possible.
I thought it was a message to the A's. However i'm not sure they're smart enough to get it.

[desmom]

MyFoxOrlando is calling it a

Win for Casey Anthony defense
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/082709_Win_for_Casey_Anthony_defense

Didn't Nejame offer to turn over the 32 searchers information, for Tim Miller to be deposed in Orlando and the defense would have to pay all the expenses?:lol:

[*Serenity*]

Of course there are more judges and those judges have calendars just as Judge Strickland does. Maybe you would be willing to pay the judge to just concentrate on this one case but I am not. The judge prioritizes just as you do in your life. I would be willing to bet this is not the most pressing thing on his calendar. JMO

okie dokie...
How silly to come back to me with such foolishness for me to be willing to pay Judge Strickland to answer motions. :)

You win... what do I know anyway?

[happygert]

I think the A's (besides being difficult) were trying to pull something pretty shady with Tim Miller among other people. NeJame wanted no part of it, graciously dropped them, and got to Tim as fast as possible.
I thought it was a message to the A's. However i'm not sure they're smart enough to get it.


I dont think the A's do get it.. I also think cindy got pi$$ed when NeJame handed Tim That check for $12,500....I really do believe that NeJame didnt like all the dirty lies cindy was spreading about Tim..
What better way to show her then Take him as a client..

Remember the message cindy left for Tim was also horrible.. She was pi$$ed because she couldn't control Tim.. and Tim knew Caylee was dead and casey killed her.. He also made the statement that casey could end all this cause she knows exactly where caylee's at.. that even made cindy madder..

[Scampi]

Whoo Hooo thank you Des!!

4. All documents related to other searchers working with or under TES are not to be disclosed. Defense and prosecution can review all other documents relating to the searchers at Nejames law office. If additional searchers are found, they may be presented to the court for in camera review. No notes, photographs or copies shall be taken of other searchers documents and no disclosure regarding other searchers shall be disclosed by the defense unless approved by this Court.

This is a huge win for Nejame and the prosecution, imo. Remember
that jose and lyon both argued they should be the ones determining
which searchers are relevant to their case.

That Stan the Man limited the number to the 32 searchers advanced by Nejame is a smack right in the subpoena to this desperate defense.

[Sun]

I have trouble with Casey killed Caylee to get back at Cindy. Maybe it is because I just don't want to believe a mother would intentionally kill their child to get back at someone. I know the headlines tell me different, but my heart just can't go there.

I do think what ever happened to Caylee was drug induced by Casey or Caylee got in the way while Casey was throwing a hissy fit and she was injured.
-snip-
jmo

ETA ~ Judge Strickland sure is taking his time about his decisions on Friday's motion hearing. I will never make it during jury watch.

IMO, Casey did in fact kill Caylee, and one of those reasons being that what she hated most was Cindy replacing her love/attention for Casey with a love/attention for Caylee. I think that Casey wanted in some ways to still be treated as the "little darling" of the Anthony family, to have Cindy spoil her and spend money on her. Instead, Casey was seeing all of that attention being shifted to Caylee. Simply put, Casey was jealous.

As a 22 yr old, Casey really had very few assets that she could call her own. No job either. No boyfriend wanting to commit and keep her. Even the car that she drove wasn't in her name. The only "possession" that she could call her own, was Caylee. I say "possession" because I don't believe that Casey was capable of loving Caylee, as a mother would normally love their own child. And, Cindy seemed to have made repeated threats to go to court and to get possession of Caylee. I think that Caylee was indeed killed, because Casey could not stand for Cindy to possess not only a job, a house, a husband (even a sorry one), but the thought of her getting Caylee was too much. Casey could not let that happen, so she made she that Cindy would not win this threat. Simply put, Casey was asserting her control.

I can't explain the fantasy world that Casey made up to live in. Her constant lies seem to go way back in time, and it appears that she was quite good at making others believe her, at least for a short time.

[Scampi]

MyFoxOrlando is calling it a

Win for Casey Anthony defense
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/082709_Win_for_Casey_Anthony_defense

Didn't Nejame offer to turn over the 32 searchers information, for Tim Miller to be deposed in Orlando and the defense would have to pay all the expenses?:lol:

A WIN?????

OMG, that's rich.

:lol:

[happygert]

MyFoxOrlando is calling it a

Win for Casey Anthony defense
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/082709_Win_for_Casey_Anthony_defense

Didn't Nejame offer to turn over the 32 searchers information, for Tim Miller to be deposed in Orlando and the defense would have to pay all the expenses?:lol:

Yep.. he sure did.. but the defense think they won..:lol:

[JHP]

I dont think the A's do get it.. I also think cindy got pi$$ed when NeJame handed Tim That check for $12,500....I really do believe that NeJame didnt like all the dirty lies cindy was spreading about Tim..
What better way to show her then Take him as a client..

And we don't even know what cindy was trying to pull behind doors. Mark NeJame is the one person I would buy a book from. I would LOVE to know what he knows, and his perspective.

[bchand]

MyFoxOrlando is calling it a

Win for Casey Anthony defense
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/082709_Win_for_Casey_Anthony_defense

Didn't Nejame offer to turn over the 32 searchers information, for Tim Miller to be deposed in Orlando and the defense would have to pay all the expenses?:lol:

Yes NeJame did make the offer. He had no problem with this. I don't consider it a win for the defense at all. They wanted much much more.

[bchand]

That is not what I am saying at all. Please do not read things into my posts. The trial is scheduled for the summer. He can take the time he needs to make the right decision. You have to stop thinking this case is the most important thing in the world. And yes I do believe that the living are entitled to the time and attention of the courts. JMO

I know I've missed alot because of real life lately, but when was this trial scheduled for the summer?

Last I heard there will be a status hearing in January. Did that change?

[AnniePie]

Out here in backwoods hillbilly country, there are many businesses that don't have card readers for debit cards and such - or they just don't take cards at all. Plus, everybody knows everybody, so check are accepted freely with no ID required.

Personally, I find that if I write a check the amount is emblazoned on my frugal soul. If I use a credit card - well, easy come, easy go, lah di dah, ain't life wonderful, the bill is HOW MUCH? :scared:

Whatever works for you.....

:laugh: Me too!

[happygert]

And we don't even know what cindy was trying to pull behind doors. Mark NeJame is the one person I would buy a book from. I would LOVE to know what he knows, and his perspective.

Oh Im sure he knows much more then he'll ever say.. He wants his rep. kept in tact.. He's about the only one whos ever had any contact with the A's who still has his..IIRC cindy wanted him to be on caseys side and he refused.. cindy has tried to destroy many lives in her wake..bc's rep is in the toilet.. if dc had one its in the toilet..Look what she did to poor Tim. what she's tried to do to Jesse, Amy, and TL . she's a horrible person.. imo..

[cassidy]

Let me rephrase.

What could Lenny contribute?

All the pertinent facts can be squeezed out of someone a lot closer to the scene than Lenny, as far as testimony.

I do think Lenny knows more than we do, but only as tidbits. He doesn't know the bigger picture. "Trees ---> Forest" kind of thing.

AHHH..CONTRIBUTE Lenny? Hmmmm..maybe a few laughs? Some comic relief? Not even sure about that though.:shrug: I see what you're saying.

[Dells]

I just registered here today to ask you all a question. I didn't follow the case at the beginning, so I'm sure this was probably discussed back in July of '08. I would like to know your thoughts on this (since you all seem to know so much about the case) and if LE has mentioned it either.

I have been bothered by the "31 days" from the very beginning. Since Casey originally told Lee she hadn't seen Caylee for 31 days, how did they all end up telling LE it was June 9 that she went missing??

Another thing...how is it still reported that Caylee was gone for 31 days before being reported missing? That cannot be correct. From June 16 to July 15 is 29 days (if you count June 17 as being day 1, as in the first day my daughter was missing...) The only way to get 31 days is to count June 15 as day 1. This seems to be a weird way to count since she was not missing on June 15, we have seen the video. However, some people might count that as Day 1 but only if she went missing at some point that day. Casey had to have been including this day as a day she was missing, which says to me she killed her that night. Of course, it could be very simple and Casey cannot count :wink: It just seems like a Freudian slip on her part to count that as Day 1.

It is just very strange to me they all stuck with the "31 Days" story, then told police the 9th of June. How could they know how many days she was gone and not know the day she went missing? Seems very odd to me.

I haven't really seen the media questioning it either (or the fact that she wasn't missing for 31 days), but like I said I didn't really watch in the first couple weeks she was missing.

Welcome to the boards! :seeya: So glad you decided to register and come join us.

I think personally that Casey was keeping a running tally of how many days of freedom she had from Caylee. So I do think the 31 days is accurate and that Casey most likely murdered Caylee on the night of the 15th. I don't know why all of them got the dates wrong, they were probably just trying to confuse the issue or trying to stay away from the night of the 15th. The 15th is when a huge fight between Cindy and Casey may have taken place which may have ultimately led to Casey murdering Caylee to get back at her mother.

[ish]

All this talk about the checks, doesn't anyone use a debit card any more? It's much more easier to carry around, you just swipe, put in your pin # and your done.

I don't don't understand why in the world did Amy leave her checkbook in her car? You would think since she was on vacation, she would of taken her checkbook with her

Why she left it in the car, I don't know. I do know that I have a checkbook in my glove compartment. I rarely write checks nowadays with the on line billpaying services offered by the banks, but I do have a checkbook. I guess I should be more cautious.:blushing: Amy, I believe, only took cash with her as a budget precaution. She didn't want to have access to the money, she was going to need it when she got home. I wonder if Casey planned to steal from her all along or was it just that the checkbook was available and she took advantage. It certainly didn't take her very long to decide as she was in Target within several hours of dropping AMy at the airport.

[JHP]

Oh Im sure he knows much more then he'll ever say.. He wants his rep. kept in tact.. He's about the only one whos ever had any contact with the A's who still has his..IIRC cindy wanted him to be on caseys side and he refused.. cindy has tried to destroy many lives in her wake..bc's rep is in the toilet.. if dc had one its in the toilet..Look what she did to poor Tim. what she's tried to do to Jesse, Amy, and TL . she's a horrible person.. imo..


Yes, very horrible. Poor Caylee, wouldn't it be nice if she had someone in court that knew her before she died on her side?

I hope before this is over Cindy is charged with something. I can think of several things that would work.

[Barbara fl.]

Whoo Hooo thank you Des!!

4. All documents related to other searchers working with or under TES are not to be disclosed. Defense and prosecution can review all other documents relating to the searchers at Nejames law office. If additional searchers are found, they may be presented to the court for in camera review. No notes, photographs or copies shall be taken of other searchers documents and no disclosure regarding other searchers shall be disclosed by the defense unless approved by this Court.

This is a huge win for Nejame and the prosecution, imo. Remember
that jose and lyon both argued they should be the ones determining
which searchers are relevant to their case.

That Stan the Man limited the number to the 32 searchers advanced by Nejame is a smack right in the subpoena to this desperate defense.


This is by no means a win for the defense (imo) this was offered by NeJame in court...the defense wanted to do a witch hunt for one person that would say that they searched that area and there was nothing there.....What's the defenses chances of finding one turncoat out of the 32 that was there....and even if one would say they searched the area, that still wont prove nothing, the bag was overlooked by so many while it was there...Kronk first reported it there in August....

The forensics will prove that thebody was there for a very long time (infact I believe they have already given a time of late june of early july)....

But of course Henry Lee will challenge that as will Baden (if he is called).....

But nothing is going to change the facts.....Casey did it, and just like the prosecution can not give an exact date of the remains being there, the Defense will not be able to prove otherwise (without a doubt)....

And if Mr Macaluso can make such a statement taht he can prove that the body was placed ther after Casey was in jail, then why does he need TM's crew?

[AnniePie]

LMAO!!!!
I can see every kook in the woodwork coming out for this...hell I may even come out for this...LOL

Oh my heavens, and they even published his phone number!

Let's get Mikey to phone him!! :w00t:

[AnniePie]

You couldnt pay me enough to ever get involved in this case! No amount of cash would be worth dealing with the Anthony Family!Now if I had any info/facts that would help bring justice to Caylee, Id gladly do that for FREE!

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

No kidding! I'll betcha someone comes forward though. There are always nutcases out there who want their 15 minutes of fame. (They can have mine too while they're at it.)

[denjet]

to say nothing of what Tim will testify to as to casey's demeanor while he was visiting their home....
Good point summer! Hadn't thought of that, once he's on the stand, the prosecution can ask all sorts of questions ... about what went on between him and the Ants too ...

[bchand]

Man Wrote Letter Offering Reward For "Zanny"
http://www.wftv.com/news/20582348/detail.html

Read Letter: Man Offers Reward To "Zanny"
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20582129/detail.html


Thanks Des. We finally find out who this Steven Perry Sr. is.

[Kathlb]

to say nothing of what Tim will testify to as to casey's demeanor while he was visiting their home....

I agree summer. To court_critic who said the judge is spineless, nothing could be further from the truth. He is protecting Casey's rights as well as allowing the state to have leeway also. He doesn't want an appeal. All he did here was give the defense what NeJames and Tim offered and nothing more. And Casey has to pay all expenses to get Tim here and to provide any items the defense wants...UP FRONT. We already know that the defense didn't get what they wanted from the state because they refused to pay the bill. Tim won't set one foot out of Texas until he is paid in full to come here and all of the other expenses too. Judges orders! Yea Judge! :thumbsup: