Remembering Hurrican Katrina

[Grayson]

Has we all know yesterday teh 24 was the anniversay of the countries worst hurricane. Feel free to post thoughts, comments, concerns or prayers.

[Grayson]

I have to apologize the anniversary is the 29th. This can still be the thread to talk and share experiences about it.

[Rucky*Ron]

Ah Katrina.
No electricity for 2 months.
No water
No air
No lights
No phone service. Land or cell
Few trees left standing.
Fewer electric poles...
No gasoline
No groceries.
Baths in the creek.
Thousands of evacuees in my home town.

The next time?
Food storage.
Generator.
Battery operated fans.
Electric skillet.

Live and learn.

MOO

[Grayson]

Thank you for sharing your story. The storm and the social effect afterward is something I will never be able to forget.

[warhorse46]

I am thankful Katrina missed us but we had Rita come along a month later & level us. My city took in a large number of Katrina evacuees & the ones still here when Rita hit got a double dose of hurricane damage.

[angellaw]

I still am not over the things I saw happening to the people that were affected by Katrina...I cried for days..there was just no excuse for what they had to endure. IMO

[ExArkie]

I shall never forget just how frightened we were that whole fall. Hopefully, it will be a long time before we have another like it. My grandson was born right in the middle of the next Hurricane, which was Wilma! Hurricanes have no respect!

We here in Florida, were lucky; but, I DID lose my roof to Katrina - a small price to pay considering.......:sad:

[CelticDawn]

I was in Metro New Orleans during and immediately after Katrina.

scenes of despair are forever etched in my mind, but I have hope that the History of the lower Mississippi River corridor can be preserved. Many of the citys people have been scattered to the winds, but many have returned. There are crime education and poverty, but there are also strong willing individuals that recognize the significance of our area.

[warhorse46]

I still am not over the things I saw happening to the people that were affected by Katrina...I cried for days..there was just no excuse for what they had to endure. IMO



The whole system from local to federal gov failed during that catastrophe.

[phylcore]

We left Dickinson that morning ahead of the midnight deadline to get out,we were pulling a travel trailer.We didn't stop till we got on the west side of Austin in a little town called Llano,we got a room for the night and had to leave the next morning,no saving the room for our son who lived in League City.His wife is a nurse and was one of the last ones to get out.17 hours on the road from Houston to Austin,usually takes 4.It was slow going, you could change drivers without stopping.All ended well but they were hit by Ike,later.Red Cross was great..............

[Lidia]

Yes 4 years on the 29th. I remember. I evacuated and couldn't come home for 2 months. I was hit by Katrina (got mainly water damage from the levees, and about 4 feet of water throughout my home) and then Rita came along and hit there at the place I evacuated to get away from Katrina. I am glad I am not a materialistic person b/c I would have been bothered by things lost, but I wasn't at all. Everything I needed was my family who all came together and went through it together and are still together now. :smile:

[Shells2]

Katrina opened my eyes to how racism is still so prominent in the world today..

When I think of Katrina, that is the first thing that pops into my head and I feel disgust..

[CelticDawn]

Katrina opened my eyes to how racism is still so prominent in the world today..

When I think of Katrina, that is the first thing that pops into my head and I feel disgust..

People of all races and ethnicities suffered greatly in the city of New Orleans during the aftermath of Katrina, and continue to suffer today.

The media CHOSE to portray the suffering citizens as Black with no white people suffering by showing the convention center and the superdome, butnobody saw all of the other buildings....both public and private that contained people of ALL races that were seeking shelter.

It is a socioeconomic problem. The majority of the country sees the area as poor and uneducated, and predominantly minorities and it is, but let it be known that EVERYBODY suffered.

[warhorse46]

Here is an excellent interactive graphic of the timeline & areas of flooding.

http://www.nola.com/katrina/graphics/wide.ssf?/katrina/graphics/flashflood.swf

Katrina did not pick & choose any one race to destroy, she beat up on all races equally. I agree with you that the media was the one who inserted the drama of race in their reports. People of all races suffered equally in this disaster.

[Emerald]

I lived about 10 minutes from the Astrodome in Houston. Went over there when the evacuees arrived. At first, the people were in survival mode. Then the shock set in. They had no place to go. Many were lucky to escape with just the clothes on their backs. Many told stories of having their clothes stripped from there bodies by the winds and water.

Salvation Army offered the food and clothes they had. Not a single question asked except "What can we do to help you?" Red Cross was asking for ID. ID? Morons! I loathe despise and detest Red Cross.

[Shells2]

People of all races and ethnicities suffered greatly in the city of New Orleans during the aftermath of Katrina, and continue to suffer today.

The media CHOSE to portray the suffering citizens as Black with no white people suffering by showing the convention center and the superdome, butnobody saw all of the other buildings....both public and private that contained people of ALL races that were seeking shelter.

It is a socioeconomic problem. The majority of the country sees the area as poor and uneducated, and predominantly minorities and it is, but let it be known that EVERYBODY suffered.


Who said only Black people suffered?

I was talking about the media stories that were run, calling the Black people "looters" and the White people "stocking up on supplies"

Disgusting.

[openminded]

Katrina opened my eyes to how racism is still so prominent in the world today..

When I think of Katrina, that is the first thing that pops into my head and I feel disgust..

The people of St. Bernard Parish suffered along with the people next door in Orleans Parish but St. Bernard and many other areas were virtually ignored in the media's coverage.

Katrina was an equal-opportunity destroyer regardless of how the media chose to play it.

[WillowInFlight]

Who said only Black people suffered?

I was talking about the media stories that were run, calling the Black people "looters" and the White people "stocking up on supplies"

Disgusting.

ITA Shells, but that seems like a common thing with the media no matter what the tragedy.

[openminded]

Who said only Black people suffered?

I was talking about the media stories that were run, calling the Black people "looters" and the White people "stocking up on supplies"

Disgusting.

I missed that and so I Googled it. This is a link I found (hope I'm not posting an improper link -- apologies if I am).

http://www.snopes.com/katrina/photos/looters.asp

[CelticDawn]

Who said only Black people suffered?

I was talking about the media stories that were run, calling the Black people "looters" and the White people "stocking up on supplies"

Disgusting.

That was the impression I thought the media was trying to portray....like the way many accused george w of ignoring the region because of its racial makeup....so many insinuations and sideways remarks were made about that.
....and Spike Lee didn't help squelch the notion either.

as for the looting vs stocking up.....there were police officers actually looting things like TVs and tennis shoes (not just one pair either), That seemed to be widespread and blatant6.

It's all just such a sad state of affairs, even today.

[WillowInFlight]

That was the impression I thought the media was trying to portray....like the way many accused george w of ignoring the region because of its racial makeup....so many insinuations and sideways remarks were made about that.
....and Spike Lee didn't help squelch the notion either.

as for the looting vs stocking up.....there were police officers actually looting things like TVs and tennis shoes (not just one pair either), That seemed to be widespread and blatant6.

It's all just such a sad state of affairs, even today.

And do you remember when the police were caught on tape taking the shoes it was justified that they "needed" them. You're right the whole thing was and is a mess.

[WillowInFlight]

That is a myth, IMO. Do you think that taking a flat screen television is not looting, and do you have pictures or video of white people doing this?

You may need to take off your rose colored glasses and get out of your comfort zone for a while and read up on who and why was treated how.

[Shells2]

That is a myth, IMO. Do you think that taking a flat screen television is not looting, and do you have pictures or video of white people doing this?


Yes.. it was posted two posts above yours..

Here it is again..

http://www.snopes.com/katrina/photos/looters.asp

Can you please point out to me where the flat screen television is in the picture?

[Shells2]

And do you remember when the police were caught on tape taking the shoes it was justified that they "needed" them. You're right the whole thing was and is a mess.


RIGHT!! And then the continued to "bust" the non whites for doing exactly what they had done.. It truly disgusted me.

[CelticDawn]

That is a myth, IMO. Do you think that taking a flat screen television is not looting, and do you have pictures or video of white people doing this?

I may not have pictures or video, but some of EVERYBODY was taking things after a while. At first, it was a case of survival....then people just went totally out of control!

I was there.

[warhorse46]

RIGHT!! And then the continued to "bust" the non whites for doing exactly what they had done.. It truly disgusted me.




I think that is an untrue statement because the police busted people of all races not JUST blacks. Here is a year long study done re the aftermath of Katrina & the justice system. It is long but very informative & shows exactly what law enforcement was up against during that time. Also explains fully the officers needing things like clothes/shoes.

http://www.urban.org/UploadedPDF/411530_washed_away.pdf

[Shells2]

What exactly does that link prove.:confused:



I didn't think I would have to spell this out..

The black people have the caption of "looters", the white people have the caption of "getting supplies".


Now, when are you going to point out the flat screen television you were talking about?

White people and black people, side by side stole/got supplies, depending on their circumstances. The media portrays the Black people as looting, and the white people as getting supplies...

again... disgusting imo.

[Veritas]

What about Mississippi?

The media was too busy painting a racial case against the Bush administration(remember, Bush just "didn't care") that we barely heard about Mississippi--you know, the other state that Katrina impacted.

LINK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_Hurricane_Katrina_in_Mississippi)

LINK (http://www.photosfromkatrina.com/)


JMO

[Shells2]

That is a myth, IMO. Do you think that taking a flat screen television is not looting, and do you have pictures or video of white people doing this?

http://www.therawfeed.com/pix/looters.jpg

This looks like food and clothing to me... :rolleyes:

[Veritas]

http://www.therawfeed.com/pix/looters.jpg

This looks like food and clothing to me... :rolleyes:

They are stealing--plain and simple. it is ILLEGAL.

LINK (http://www.snopes.com/katrina/graphics/looters2.jpg)

Gotta have you some new "kicks".


LINK (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_KTv34L9UWcY/R4glHUjyhgI/AAAAAAAAAX0/RgLODfE9C1g/s400/katrina-looting.jpg)

House is flooded, need a new "Under Armour football and a microwave".

[CelticDawn]

What exactly does that link prove.:confused:

snopes I wouldn't put much stock in. It's an urban legends site, but there are similar articles and links on other sites. There are lots of archived articles now that it has been so long.

But you're right

[CelticDawn]

What about Mississippi?

The media was too busy painting a racial case against the Bush administration(remember, Bush just "didn't care") that we barely heard about Mississippi--you know, the other state that Katrina impacted.

LINK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_Hurricane_Katrina_in_Mississippi)

LINK (http://www.photosfromkatrina.com/)


JMO
Thuis is so true.

Mississippi was and is on its own pretty much. The locals got themselves together and helped themselves from the beginning.....mainly because they were able to because of their geography (NOT below sea level....the waters receded from there )

The way the Media would have us believe during that time (and others0; If it's Republican then it has to have racist motives for action or inaction. (when actually Republicans were the instrument of abolishing slavery if one reads ones history)....but thats another forum entirely.

the media smeared the Bush administration

[warhorse46]

So you are saying that because two writers eached used a different adjective, that this proves there was widespread racism?:confused::rolleyes:

Here are the links. Once again, televisions are not "supplies.":rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RVHDlPqZWE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozNgmCHlFsY

ETA, I do not need you to spell out anything for me, Madame.



I agree with some of what you say, PG5. Even tho technically all of it is stealing or looting I can understand & forgive people taking food, beverages, clothing, battery operated radios, batteries, diapers, things needed for survival. But tvs, stereos, furniture, etc do not fall into that catagory.

[PatC]

Thuis is so true.

Mississippi was and is on its own pretty much. The locals got themselves together and helped themselves from the beginning.....mainly because they were able to because of their geography (NOT below sea level....the waters receded from there )

The way the Media would have us believe during that time (and others0; If it's Republican then it has to have racist motives for action or inaction. (when actually Republicans were the instrument of abolishing slavery if one reads ones history)....but thats another forum entirely.

the media smeared the Bush administration

Yes, we in Mississippi did pull ourselves up by the bootstraps, but not because we were in any better shape than Louisiana! We just saw that LA was getting all the attention and weren't willing to wait indefinitely. Gov't help was slow enough in coming as it was.

Yes, what happened in New Orleans was tragic, but the devastation and destruction over here was worse, IMO. Take a look at

THIS MAP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Beach,_Mississippi)

Find the intersection of I-10 and Hwy 603 (just North of Waveland/Bay St Louis). After I returned from evacuating ahead of Katrina, I could see a high water mark approximately 20 feet up on the I-10 overpass over 603. That's how high the water got and AT LEAST how far inland that wall of water came.

Look at: THIS PICTURE (http://www.photosfromkatrina.com/)

Now try to envision driving for mile after mile after mile along the MS. Gulf Coast from the LA state line to the AL state line and seeing scenes just like that. Total destruction.

Am I upset? Yes, I am. I evacuated ahead of Katrina and we stayed in northern Louisiana in our 5th wheel trailer from August 28 till Sept. 5th. When we came back "home" we still couldn't go home because of the destruction.... and we live in Picayune, not on the coast. Our home was spared, but there were 27 trees down in our yard and we couldn't get the camper in the yard so we parked it at my BIL's and stayed out there till the power was back on in our house... the middle of October!

All the time we were away in LA, although we had our satellite for TV reception we couldn't get news of our area because all the news media talked about was New Orleans. We didn't know if we had a home to come back to until cell phone service was available the first week of Sept.

[Mandysmom]

Hey PatC, so good to see you!! :wub:

I am with you on the people in MS and Al having to do most of their own clean up and rebuilding.

My cousins live in Gulfport and Biloxi and both of those cities were destroyed. Obliterated.

Orange Beach and Dauphin Island are still rebuilding and Baldwin County is having to pay back millions of dollars to FEMA for money used to clean up that county.:cursing:

We didn't hang around waiting on the government to save anybody, we got out and had truckload after truckload of supplies loaded up and driven to the coast.

You can't sit back and wait on somebody to come and save you. People have to learn that and help each other out.

New Orleans was devastated yes, but they were not alone although you would have thought so by the media reports.

Still ticks me off to this day.

[Mandysmom]

I agree with some of what you say, PG5. Even tho technically all of it is stealing or looting I can understand & forgive people taking food, beverages, clothing, battery operated radios, batteries, diapers, things needed for survival. But tvs, stereos, furniture, etc do not fall into that catagory.

Somebody had to pay for that stuff that was looted/stolen.

There is no excuse for taking things that do not belong to you. As you stated earlier, in Texas, that can get you killed in a hurry.

Why should some people be allowed to protect their property and others not? :mad:

[Mandysmom]

Katrina opened my eyes to how racism is still so prominent in the world today..

When I think of Katrina, that is the first thing that pops into my head and I feel disgust..

No Shells, it wasn't racisim but it was portrayed that way and very well.

Sadly 4 years later, they still are playing that same old tired song.

[Shells2]

So you are saying that because two writers eached used a different adjective, that this proves there was widespread racism?:confused::rolleyes:

Here are the links. Once again, televisions are not "supplies.":rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RVHDlPqZWE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozNgmCHlFsY

ETA, I do not need you to spell out anything for me, Madame.

I'm saying the media portrayed Black people as crimminals and White people as needy. I didn't say the words widespread.. you did.

All I said was " Katrina opened my eyes to how racism is still so prominent in the world today"

Don't over dramatize my position on this. There was racism in the media. I saw it. It bothered me. That is what I think about when I think of Katrina.

If you would like to put your rose colored glasses on and say it didn't' exist,it's a liberal position or whatever else you wish ~ by all means, feel free to.

[CelticDawn]

Yes, we in Mississippi did pull ourselves up by the bootstraps, but not because we were in any better shape than Louisiana! We just saw that LA was getting all the attention and weren't willing to wait indefinitely. Gov't help was slow enough in coming as it was.

Yes, what happened in New Orleans was tragic, but the devastation and destruction over here was worse, IMO. Take a look at

THIS MAP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Beach,_Mississippi)

Find the intersection of I-10 and Hwy 603 (just North of Waveland/Bay St Louis). After I returned from evacuating ahead of Katrina, I could see a high water mark approximately 20 feet up on the I-10 overpass over 603. That's how high the water got and AT LEAST how far inland that wall of water came.

Look at: THIS PICTURE (http://www.photosfromkatrina.com/)

Now try to envision driving for mile after mile after mile along the MS. Gulf Coast from the LA state line to the AL state line and seeing scenes just like that. Total destruction.

Am I upset? Yes, I am. I evacuated ahead of Katrina and we stayed in northern Louisiana in our 5th wheel trailer from August 28 till Sept. 5th. When we came back "home" we still couldn't go home because of the destruction.... and we live in Picayune, not on the coast. Our home was spared, but there were 27 trees down in our yard and we couldn't get the camper in the yard so we parked it at my BIL's and stayed out there till the power was back on in our house... the middle of October!

All the time we were away in LA, although we had our satellite for TV reception we couldn't get news of our area because all the news media talked about was New Orleans. We didn't know if we had a home to come back to until cell phone service was available the first week of Sept.
thank you for sharing those links. We spent lots of time there before Katrina.....Taking the kids to the beach and we still take a weekend there at beau Rivage ever so often just to get away. My oldest son attends st stanislaus in Bay st Louis. I was as saddened by the destruction of the coast as I was for the destruction of Historic New Orleans...

Mississippians certainly did all pull yourselves up. the people UNITED there ...

I was totally amazed to see a floating casino on the north side of the tracks after the storm. we all may rebuild but things will never be quite the same

This from CNN

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/08/27/neworleans.then.now/index.html

[warhorse46]

Somebody had to pay for that stuff that was looted/stolen.

There is no excuse for taking things that do not belong to you. As you stated earlier, in Texas, that can get you killed in a hurry.

Why should some people be allowed to protect their property and others not? :mad:


Has absolutely nothing to do with protecting property. When you are left with nothing, no food, no water, no formula for your babies, no diapers, you do what you have too to survive until help can get to you or you can get to help. And this was during a catastrophic disaster which is a totally different situation than just everyday life.

[warhorse46]

Yes, we in Mississippi did pull ourselves up by the bootstraps, but not because we were in any better shape than Louisiana! We just saw that LA was getting all the attention and weren't willing to wait indefinitely. Gov't help was slow enough in coming as it was.

Yes, what happened in New Orleans was tragic, but the devastation and destruction over here was worse, IMO. Take a look at

THIS MAP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Beach,_Mississippi)

Find the intersection of I-10 and Hwy 603 (just North of Waveland/Bay St Louis). After I returned from evacuating ahead of Katrina, I could see a high water mark approximately 20 feet up on the I-10 overpass over 603. That's how high the water got and AT LEAST how far inland that wall of water came.

Look at: THIS PICTURE (http://www.photosfromkatrina.com/)

Now try to envision driving for mile after mile after mile along the MS. Gulf Coast from the LA state line to the AL state line and seeing scenes just like that. Total destruction.

Am I upset? Yes, I am. I evacuated ahead of Katrina and we stayed in northern Louisiana in our 5th wheel trailer from August 28 till Sept. 5th. When we came back "home" we still couldn't go home because of the destruction.... and we live in Picayune, not on the coast. Our home was spared, but there were 27 trees down in our yard and we couldn't get the camper in the yard so we parked it at my BIL's and stayed out there till the power was back on in our house... the middle of October!

All the time we were away in LA, although we had our satellite for TV reception we couldn't get news of our area because all the news media talked about was New Orleans. We didn't know if we had a home to come back to until cell phone service was available the first week of Sept.



I believe Miss. was pretty much ignored by the news media & the Federal Gov agencies & that was just not right. What little I did see in the news looked just as leveled as NO to me.

[Patriot]

(snip)
We didn't hang around waiting on the government to save anybody, we got out and had truckload after truckload of supplies loaded up and driven to the coast.

You can't sit back and wait on somebody to come and save you. People have to learn that and help each other out.




:thumbup:

[Veritas]

Hey PatC, so good to see you!! :wub:

I am with you on the people in MS and Al having to do most of their own clean up and rebuilding.

My cousins live in Gulfport and Biloxi and both of those cities were destroyed. Obliterated.

Orange Beach and Dauphin Island are still rebuilding and Baldwin County is having to pay back millions of dollars to FEMA for money used to clean up that county.:cursing:

We didn't hang around waiting on the government to save anybody, we got out and had truckload after truckload of supplies loaded up and driven to the coast.

You can't sit back and wait on somebody to come and save you. People have to learn that and help each other out.

New Orleans was devastated yes, but they were not alone although you would have thought so by the media reports.

Still ticks me off to this day.

Bravo! Bravo! :beer:

[warhorse46]

I believe Miss. was pretty much ignored by the news media & the Federal Gov agencies & that was just not right. What little I did see in the news looked just as leveled as NO to me.




Looks like the Gov agencies did more than I thought for Miss.

http://www.dhs.gov/xfoia/archives/gc_1157649340100.shtm

[February]

Thanks for the Katrina thread. My heart still aches when I think about it.
It didn't have to be such a catastrophe, I hope and pray those who were so deastated will recover soon.. Mentally, emotionally and financially.

[warhorse46]

Hey PatC, so good to see you!! :wub:

I am with you on the people in MS and Al having to do most of their own clean up and rebuilding.

My cousins live in Gulfport and Biloxi and both of those cities were destroyed. Obliterated.

Orange Beach and Dauphin Island are still rebuilding and Baldwin County is having to pay back millions of dollars to FEMA for money used to clean up that county.:cursing:

We didn't hang around waiting on the government to save anybody, we got out and had truckload after truckload of supplies loaded up and driven to the coast.

You can't sit back and wait on somebody to come and save you. People have to learn that and help each other out.

New Orleans was devastated yes, but they were not alone although you would have thought so by the media reports.

Still ticks me off to this day.

And that is exactly what people do until bigger agencies, agencies that are created specifically for that purpose, can get to the damaged areas. The complaint is that they are not well organized, much of the help doesn't get to the people in need in a timely, efficient manner & much is wasted. During Rita I saw the Salvation Army, Red Cross, multiple Church groups out helping people & that help was so appreciated. During Ike there were thousands of Church Youth groups down here helping clean the debris out of houses, tearing out molded sheetrock, etc. Some from as far away as Nevada.

[daniel green]

For the longest time I had an amazing photo of the airlifting of sick children and women from NO, after days of no assistance, as my desktop. I never wanted to forget it, that such a scene could take place in this country, in the 21st century.

[CelticDawn]

I believe Miss. was pretty much ignored by the news media & the Federal Gov agencies & that was just not right. What little I did see in the news looked just as leveled as NO to me.

although I am in Southeast LA, my family spent lots of time on the Mississippi coast and we HAD a camp there on Bay st Louis,...My oldest son attends st stanislaus school there......

The people of Mississippi pulled themselves up. There was destruction all over the place, and they started rebuilding almost immediately.

Here, water had to recede first....but SOEM people....not all just didnt seem to want to do the work...

Then there was RITA....and more destruction....this time going westward...

People need to first of all...UNITE and stop with the pi$$ing areas and territorialism (as far as government agencies and blame game go)...the citizens need to UNITE AND WORK to rebuild...There is still LOTS of work to be done.

We need to preserve our HISTORY.

[CelticDawn]

http://www.wwltv.com/Katrina/

This is a chronology that was nicely done by WWL-TV

[warhorse46]

although I am in Southeast LA, my family spent lots of time on the Mississippi coast and we HAD a camp there on Bay st Louis,...My oldest son attends st stanislaus school there......

The people of Mississippi pulled themselves up. There was destruction all over the place, and they started rebuilding almost immediately.

Here, water had to recede first....but SOEM people....not all just didnt seem to want to do the work...

Then there was RITA....and more destruction....this time going westward...

People need to first of all...UNITE and stop with the pi$$ing areas and territorialism (as far as government agencies and blame game go)...the citizens need to UNITE AND WORK to rebuild...There is still LOTS of work to be done.

We need to preserve our HISTORY.


A more true statement has never been said, there is still lots of work to be done related to Katrina devastation.

[CelticDawn]

A more true statement has never been said, there is still lots of work to be done related to Katrina devastation.

Not to mention Gustav and Ike devastation. These storms hit before much of the Katrina and Rita devastation could be addressed.

[warhorse46]

Not to mention Gustav and Ike devastation. These storms hit before much of the Katrina and Rita devastation could be addressed.


So very true. They did strike & damage work that was being done plus further damaged that that was already damaged but not repaired yet. Another vivid memory I have of Katrina is of the animals who suffered & the heroic efforts of caring people to attend to them. Also of people who were forced to leave their belived pets behind when rescue help did arrive. The anguish they suffered over being forced to abandon their pet & the anguish the pet suffered seeing their owner leave them.

[Grayson]

Keep in mind everyone, today is the day after Katrina hit, and New Oreans is covered in sea water. And what wouldd happen next is unfathomable.
I am fraid the argument in the "thread" shows how fresh the wounds are from Katrina.

[CelticDawn]

Keep in mind everyone, today is the day after Katrina hit, and New Oreans is covered in sea water. And what wouldd happen next is unfathomable.
I am fraid the argument in the "thread" shows how fresh the wounds are from Katrina.

I love New Orleans.
I love South Louisiana.
I LOVE the Bayou.
I LOVE the History, cultures, varied music, and the spirit of the people.


AlthoughMY household is essentially rebuilt, although we are located north of the lake, Katrina, Rita and the aftermath of both are still GAPING BLEEDING WOUNDS.

[warhorse46]

I love New Orleans.
I love South Louisiana.
I LOVE the Bayou.
I LOVE the History, cultures, varied music, and the spirit of the people.


AlthoughMY household is essentially rebuilt, although we are located north of the lake, Katrina, Rita and the aftermath of both are still GAPING BLEEDING WOUNDS.




New Orleans is my VERY favorite city to visit, I cannot get enough of the food, the atmosphere, the people, the history. I spend hours & hours in the French Quarter & Jackson Square just soaking it all up. I love driving through the Garden District looking @ the architecture of the old homes.

[darjeeling]

I'm saying the media portrayed Black people as crimminals and White people as needy. I didn't say the words widespread.. you did.

All I said was " Katrina opened my eyes to how racism is still so prominent in the world today"

Don't over dramatize my position on this. There was racism in the media. I saw it. It bothered me. That is what I think about when I think of Katrina.

If you would like to put your rose colored glasses on and say it didn't' exist,it's a liberal position or whatever else you wish ~ by all means, feel free to.

Shells, your example of the two photos as a sign of racism (by the media) during Katrina doesn't really work for me. They are by two different agencies taken by different photographers. On the other hand, if they were by the same photographer, then they would be much more effective.

In any case, much of the perceived racism and discrimination during Katrina was played up by certain groups who probably saw an opportunity to exploit it. I personally cannot believe that in this day and age, race would be used as a means to favor certain people over others, especially when you have a tragedy of such proportions.

[CelticDawn]

Shells, your example of the two photos as a sign of racism (by the media) during Katrina doesn't really work for me. They are by two different agencies taken by different photographers. On the other hand, if they were by the same photographer, then they would be much more effective.

In any case, much of the perceived racism and discrimination during Katrina was played up by certain groups who probably saw an opportunity to exploit it. I personally cannot believe that in this day and age, race would be used as a means to favor certain people over others, especially when you have a tragedy of such proportions.

I was there for several days following Katrinas landfall, and MOST people worked side by side, race or ethnicity not having a thing to do with it, to help each other....to save lives....to feed each others children.....to take care of each others pets...to seek out elderly people that could not evacuate....Fortunately we had our children evacuated earlier in the previous week.

So many people in the city had no vehicles in which to evacuate.....In MANY cities, there is a substantial number of people that do not own vehicles but rely on the transportation systems.

Other people lived in public housing or were just too poor to evacuate.

These circumstances SAW NO RACE CREED OR ANYTHING ELSE....Distress death and despair did not discriminate.

The media on BOTH SIDES of the race issue DID discriminate....some praising the local state and federal governments, some blaming the federal government alone, some blaming nobody......but this was all perpetrated on the nation and world by the MEDIA.

[Rucky*Ron]

I believe Miss. was pretty much ignored by the news media & the Federal Gov agencies & that was just not right. What little I did see in the news looked just as leveled as NO to me.

Mississippi was in the right quadrant of Katrina....which is always the worse place to be in any hurricane... thus the obliteration.

New Orleans did not receive a direct hit, but the "bowl" they sit in flooded when the levees broke and was under water for weeks.

Different effects from the same storm. How do you help yourself if you're living on a rooftop?

Should never have been about race.
MOO

[warhorse46]

Mississippi was in the right quadrant of Katrina....which is always the worse place to be in any hurricane... thus the obliteration.

New Orleans did not receive a direct hit, but the "bowl" they sit in flooded when the levees broke and was under water for weeks.

Different effects from the same storm. How do you help yourself if you're living on a rooftop?

Should never have been about race.
MOO


<<How do you help yourself if you're living on a rooftop?>> A more true statement has never been made IMO!
The northeast quadrant of a hurricane is the most powerful with the highest winds & most rainfall. The southeast quadrant is the second most powerful. That is what we call the "wet" side of the storm. The other half of the storm is called the dry side & is less powerful.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/weather/hurricane/sfl-hurricane-quadrants,0,3303825.story

[Mandysmom]

Has absolutely nothing to do with protecting property. When you are left with nothing, no food, no water, no formula for your babies, no diapers, you do what you have too to survive until help can get to you or you can get to help. And this was during a catastrophic disaster which is a totally different situation than just everyday life.

Okay, so you're a store owner. You've evacuated to get out of harm's way and left your store which is the way you earn your living, behind because you certainly couldn't take it with you.

Now here comes the looters and just because they are without supplies, they break in and make off with your inventory.

To you that would be okay that they took your means to make a living, because they needed the stuff and it was a disaster situation.

I wouldn't be okay with it if it were my store. I would be left holding the bag for the items that I had purchased, the insurance, the repairing the damage to my store and trying to continue making a living for my family.

It's not right to take from others simply because you need the stuff. You might justify it, but I don't.

[warhorse46]

Okay, so you're a store owner. You've evacuated to get out of harm's way and left your store which is the way you earn your living, behind because you certainly couldn't take it with you.

Now here comes the looters and just because they are without supplies, they break in and make off with your inventory.

To you that would be okay that they took your means to make a living, because they needed the stuff and it was a disaster situation.

I wouldn't be okay with it if it were my store. I would be left holding the bag for the items that I had purchased, the insurance, the repairing the damage to my store and trying to continue making a living for my family.

It's not right to take from others simply because you need the stuff. You might justify it, but I don't.


This is a thread for our memories of hurricane Katrina, not a debate thread on statutes or our interpretation of statutes or theoretical situations.

[Rucky*Ron]

Okay, so you're a store owner. You've evacuated to get out of harm's way and left your store which is the way you earn your living, behind because you certainly couldn't take it with you.

Now here comes the looters and just because they are without supplies, they break in and make off with your inventory.

To you that would be okay that they took your means to make a living, because they needed the stuff and it was a disaster situation.

I wouldn't be okay with it if it were my store. I would be left holding the bag for the items that I had purchased, the insurance, the repairing the damage to my store and trying to continue making a living for my family.

It's not right to take from others simply because you need the stuff. You might justify it, but I don't.

Are you saying because "it is your store" and "your inventory" you would rather see people starve in a catastrophe?

Those insurance premiums you were able to make, inventory you were able to purchase and your overall living were made by some of "those looters."

Where is the giving/helping spirit to your neighbors in need that helped you make your living when you were needing it...?

Do like everyone else will be forced to do afterward.
Jack up the prices to cover your losses....those your insurance already reimbursed you for...
MOO

[CelticDawn]

I see this thread has turned into a JUDGEMENTAL slugfest......from both (ar more) angles.....there are MORE than two "sides" to these stories, and many issues could be addressed.....HOWEVER, this was NOT the original purpose of this thread.


carry on.

[bearwds]

I see this thread has turned into a JUDGEMENTAL slugfest......from both (ar more) angles.....there are MORE than two "sides" to these stories, and many issues could be addressed.....HOWEVER, this was NOT the original purpose of this thread.


carry on.
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Carrying on.....

CD... I feel your frustration that the Thread isn't going just the way you intended. The interesting thing about these Boards is the directions thinking can get you.

A ridged toe-the-line narrative would be so boring. As long as it does not violate TOS, I don't think you should be concerned.

Post as to where your thoughts go, it may surprise you.


Best wishes
bear

[Mandysmom]

This is a thread for our memories of hurricane Katrina, not a debate thread on statutes or our interpretation of statutes or theoretical situations.

Oh well pardon me for intruding.

:laugh:

[peggyleggy]

This is a thread for our memories of hurricane Katrina, not a debate thread on statutes or our interpretation of statutes or theoretical situations.

If this is a thread for memories of Katrina what does this post of yours have to do with Katrina?

Your post #56:

New Orleans is my VERY favorite city to visit, I cannot get enough of the food, the atmosphere, the people, the history. I spend hours & hours in the French Quarter & Jackson Square just soaking it all up. I love driving through the Garden District looking @ the architecture of the old homes.

[Mandysmom]

Are you saying because "it is your store" and "your inventory" you would rather see people starve in a catastrophe?

Those insurance premiums you were able to make, inventory you were able to purchase and your overall living were made by some of "those looters."

Where is the giving/helping spirit to your neighbors in need that helped you make your living when you were needing it...?

Do like everyone else will be forced to do afterward.
Jack up the prices to cover your losses....those your insurance already reimbursed you for...
MOO I don't believe that's what I said, but if it makes you feel better, keep on thinking that.

You have no idea of how much we donated and worked and gave people places to stay. Did you do the same?

Leaving this with y'all, it's obvious it's going to be a "woe is me" thread instead of the "we can do it" spirit we saw here.

Have a good one!

[CelticDawn]

For those of you who are interested in landmarks along the gulf region...here is an article about the saenger Theatre on canal street in New Orleans. It suffered damages during the storms, but is now coming back as a bigger and better facility. It has historical significance to the region.
http://blog.nola.com/politics/2009/08/large_saenger_theater.JPG
http://aroundthelake.bravehost.com/ENTERTAINEWS.HTML

[CelticDawn]

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Carrying on.....

CD... I feel your frustration that the Thread isn't going just the way you intended. The interesting thing about these Boards is the directions thinking can get you.

A ridged toe-the-line narrative would be so boring. As long as it does not violate TOS, I don't think you should be concerned.

Post as to where your thoughts go, it may surprise you.


Best wishes
bear
Thank You. It wasnt my thread but I have an interest in seeing the history of the gulf coast region being preserved as much as possible.....and that includes everything from Texas to Florida....

[warhorse46]

If this is a thread for memories of Katrina what does this post of yours have to do with Katrina?

Your post #56:

New Orleans is my VERY favorite city to visit, I cannot get enough of the food, the atmosphere, the people, the history. I spend hours & hours in the French Quarter & Jackson Square just soaking it all up. I love driving through the Garden District looking @ the architecture of the old homes.



In case you missed it, hurricane Katrina badly damaged or destroyed much of what I listed. Some of which will never be restored but much more will be. A lot of my memories of Katrina are of seeing the things I have greatly enjoyed so damaged & being saddened by the sights of that devastation.

[warhorse46]

For those of you who are interested in landmarks along the gulf region...here is an article about the saenger Theatre on canal street in New Orleans. It suffered damages during the storms, but is now coming back as a bigger and better facility. It has historical significance to the region.
http://blog.nola.com/politics/2009/08/large_saenger_theater.JPG
http://aroundthelake.bravehost.com/ENTERTAINEWS.HTML


Wow, awesome building. Great to see it is being restored.

[CelticDawn]

In case you missed it, hurricane Katrina badly damaged or destroyed much of what I listed. Some of which will never be restored but much more will be. A lot of my memories of Katrina are of seeing the things I have greatly enjoyed so damaged & being saddened by the sights of that devastation.

that which wasn't totally destroyed was badly damaged. Many historic sites are being restored as good as they can be, and my family has participated jiontly with other families in the area to run fund raisers and volunteer pools for doing some of the work....we work closely with several historical societies.....its painstaking work but it will be well worth it.

[warhorse46]

that which wasn't totally destroyed was badly damaged. Many historic sites are being restored as good as they can be, and my family has participated jiontly with other families in the area to run fund raisers and volunteer pools for doing some of the work....we work closely with several historical societies.....its painstaking work but it will be well worth it.



Thank God for the people who work to restore & preserve the history & culture of a region that has suffered a catastrophic disaster. Those people make it possible for people like me to continue to enjoy the attributes of the region.

[CelticDawn]

As is the case in most of the country, be it from floods, mudslides, tornados, fires, earthquake, volcanos or whatever. The first responders will always be locals. Makes you wonder what people did before there was a Fema to blame. I know they didn't crawl up into the fetal position. But why waste a natural disaster when you can make political points?

Nowhere am I blaming FEMA or expecting any more that that agency is supposed to by its definition supply during disasters. I am referring to history of my particular area...just as the people of LA and that area want to preserve their history.

[CelticDawn]

There will always be defrauders, thieves, and perpetual whiners....whether there is a disaster or not in their area.

any area.

[Lavinia]

I have to say hurricane preparedness *for us* (my family and neighbors), is much different these days than in my days past. First of all, the entire time I lived in this area, 50ish years, we never saw any devastation from a hurricane other than some limbs down and some street flooding. We lost the fear and alarm of what a hurricane does. The hurricanes cried "wolf" too many times and we got quite complacent. Then we got 3 major hurricanes with major damage in, what, 3-4 years straight. Now the entire population knows it can and WILL happen and I think 99% of the population is much more hurricane conscious and takes more precautions than they ever though of in the past. Before Katrina, it was *almost* as unusual to be prepared for hurricanes here as it is for NYC to be prepared for forest fires. (I'm exaggerating, but not a lot.)

Evacuating for a hurricane is not a simple decision for many. I can remember when we were young and poor as church mice, we were able to buy a roll of toilet paper when we needed it. There wasn't the "luxury" of being able to stock up on even toilet paper, much less come up with the very expensive demands of evacuation. Our cars back when we were poor were unreliable, we had no cash and certainly no credit when we were a young family, to decide just to take off for parts unknown and stay in a hotel and eat every meal out for at least 3 weeks, minimum. What do you do about your beloved pets? What about stubborn grandma who refuses to leave? Do you leave her or stay and help her? What about your business? Do you roll the dice and stay and try to salvage what you can or let it go when you're already getting a huge financial hit? More people died in the evacuation for Rita than did in the actual storm. I can remember being *much* more terrified while we were sitting stopped on a major interstate trying to flee Rita, than I did out on my front porch in the midst of Ikes' fury.

It's not a simplistic dilemma. We struggle with our decisions on every storm.