Obama Reopens Massacre Investigation Obstructed By Bush

[Not Telling]

For eight years, the Bush administration obstructed investigations into a massacre carried out in the name of Americans in Dasht-e-Leili, Afghanistan.

The massacre dates back to 2001. Two months after the September 11th attacks, in a rural corner of Northern Afghanistan, thousands of alleged Taliban and Al-Qaeda fighters surrendered to a coalition of United States Special Forces and Afghan forces led by the notoriously brutal warlord, General Abdul Rashid Dostum. They were told they would not be harmed. Soon after, they were stacked into metal shipping containers to be transported to a nearby prison. As numerous reports since 2002 have made clear, in increasingly gruesome detail, hundreds of prisoners never made it to the prison; they suffocated in the airless containers beneath the bodies of fellow prisoners -- and were interred in an unmarked mass grave.

The Bush White House thwarted inquiry into the incident on three separate occasions and terminated a Department of Justice investigation that involved survivors of the incident interned at Guantanamo Bay. By contrast, the inquiry President Obama has commissioned could result in war crimes charges.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/24/obama-restarts-massacre-i_n_265455.html

[Not Telling]

If it's not true (and I hope it isn't) and US Special Forces did nothing wrong, why has Bush refused to allow them the opportunity to clear their names from these horrible accusations? How despicable to force our Special Forces to live with these shameful lies hanging over their heads with no way to clear themselves...

How many American lives were put at greater risk and lost because of the hatred created by this incident or the false accusations that it happened and Bush's unrelenting pattern of refusing to do the right thing?

[snookums1]

It is about time. Here is an excerpt from a very informative article on the massacre, complete with pictures and maps.


In response to the return of a notorious warlord to Afghanistan from Turkey, Physicians for Human Rights (PHR) renews the call it has made repeatedly over the past seven years for a full investigation of an alleged massacre of as many as 2,000 Taliban prisoners who surrendered in November 2001 to US and Afghan forces and who are believed to be buried in the desert of Dasht-e-Leili.

On August 16, General Abdul Rashid Dostum — who is widely reported to be partly responsible for the massacre and for a subsequent cover-up — returned to Kabul to campaign for the re-election of President Hamid Karzai in the August 20 elections. It is widely reported that President Karzai has offered General Dostum a government post in exchange for his support.

“Real and lasting peace in Afghanistan will be made possible by strengthening the rule of law and ending the culture of impunity,” stated PHR CEO Frank Donaghue.

“Letting General Dostum return to any position of power before there is a thorough and transparent investigation into whether or to what extent he may have been involved in the alleged 2001 massacre, will be seen by the Afghan people as confirmation that warlords like Dostum have impunity for their crimes,” continued Donaghue. “General Dostum has admitted that these prisoners surrendered jointly to US special forces and to Northern Alliance troops under his command. As Physicians for Human Rights has said for 7 years since the organization’s experts discovered the alleged mass grave, the site must be secured, witnesses must be protected, and Afghanistan must join the international community in probing how these prisoners died and why General Dostum and the Bush administration reportedly impeded investigation into these alleged war crimes. PHR looks forward to appropriate action from President Obama after he receives a report from his national security team, whom he ordered to gather all the facts and report to him on whether the international laws of war were violated.”
http://afghanistan.phrblog.org/

[Not Telling]

Reading the article it comes across as more left wing carp designed to shift the focus away from the poor performance of Obama & crew.

That was the Bush Administration's game...and they were experts at it...Tom Ridge has confirmed that...


If this doesn't make you sick...nothing will... jmo
This isn't anything that was made up....they are actual events that happened and can be verified...

The Nexus of Politics and Terror
Countdown tracks the correlation news stories that were unfavorable to the Bush administration and the terror alerts that distracted American from those stories.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20646302/ns/msnbc_tv-countdown_with_keith_olbermann

[Not Telling]

Though the incident occurred at the beginning of the war, it is by no means ancient history. In 2002, the Guardian confirmed reports that witnesses to the events at Dasht-e-Leili were being systematically threatened, murdered and disappeared. Since then, neither the United States nor the Afghan government have intervened to protect witnesses and their families who remain in significant danger, according to PHR.

In 2006, PHR requested certain documents related to the Dasht-e-Leili case under the Freedom of Information Act. Within a month of this request, after almost five years of lying untouched, satellite imaging revealed that the site had been tampered with.

"All [we] know is that the satellite imagery shows what appears to be a hydraulic excavator and a dump truck. We don't know who was driving it we don't know what they took and we don't know where they took it."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/24/obama-restarts-massacre-i_n_265455.html

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

So the Pentagon did investigate.

In response, the Pentagon released a statement, saying that U.S. Central Command had made an "informal inquiry"[17] and that "U.S. Central Command looked into it a few months ago, when allegations first surfaced when there were graves discovered in the area of Sherberghan prison. They looked into it and did not substantiate any knowledge, presence or participation of US service members.

Newsweek stated that "nothing Newsweek learned suggests that American forces had advance knowledge of the killings, witnessed the prisoners being stuffed into unventilated trucks, or were in a position to prevent that…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/index.html?curid=4320785#cite_note-Finnegan-2

Reading I have found that this supposedly happened under General Abdul Rashid Dostum in November 2001 ( 2 weeks after our arrival in Afghanistan) and HuffPo implies that our special forces were in charge and at fault? How, pray tell, do you really think that this General is going to take orders from "lowly" US forces?

And on top of committing these massacres ---special forces then drove the bloody smelly trucks around to advertize what they had done with bullet holes ...

[theal3]

I recall the "early" news accounts with pictures if this going on: men stack in containers, loaded on planes etc: is was sickening, meant to show more shock and awe in the early days of Afghan, before the Bush Admin. put the lid on reporting from there and they he went to Iraq and Afghan was hardly mentioned except near the end of his term, and now -- the truth will come out. IMHO

And everytime it does: the GOP or Right or Libertarian shout: left wing "stuff." They did it all the time during that Admin: when the Dems even dared mentioned "cry wolf" on all the alert or time alerts, they were called "conspiracly nuts." When the Dems wanted to get to bottom and hear the truth about Plamgate, or torture, or wire taps: again Dems called unpatriotic, conspiracly nuts, unAmerican.

And now, in power and trying to fix things: same name calling.

[CANDYKISSES]

Allegations that some special forces may have been in the vicinity when some Afghani General abdul something along with "his" forces" may have committed some crimes, no it doesn't bother me, that is a concern for the Aghan people not the U.S. IMO citizens here need to focus on Obama & crew's destruction of democracy. :shrug:

Interesting Buck, you could actually replace a few words in NotTelling's latest and have the same MODUS OPERANDI alleged for the Bush Admin, but alas..... voila it's the OBAMA ADMIN.....:sneaky: Ooops. JMOOC.

Whether it's the seemingly UNETHICAL email spamming the Obama Admin is trying to hide from or the conniving behind closed doors and plants in the audience for health care town halls, it's looking pretty bad and the numbers are showing it. It's all B2B when they get caught with their real agenda showing. ALL JMO. :sad:

[snookums1]

On July 11, The New York Times published a front-page piece by Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter James Risen, who reported that Bush administration officials had repeatedly discouraged efforts to investigate the mass killing of as many as 2,000 Taliban prisoners by the forces of a US-backed warlord, General Abdul Rashid Dostum, in November 2001. General Dostum, the Times revealed, was on the CIA payroll.


Since he was on the payroll of the CIA when the massacre occurred, the US WAS involved. And it was the Bush administration that tried to cover the whole thing up. That too is US involvement.

[worried]

"IF" these allegations are in fact, true, it is rather dispicable. Having said that, as a woman, I will not shed a tear for the demised. The taliban are cruel, heartless, individuals who treat women like dogs. I guess I am a bit tired of the left acting horrified everytime something happens to our enemies. This is exactly why I would never vote democratic again. The democrat party used to be the party for human rights. Not anymore. They are whining about a group of men killed that totally dehumanize women, and where were they when Sara Palen was attacked over and over? I did not see any of the left wing women's rights activists coming to her rescue. The Republicans are not much better. Both parties no longer stand on any moral ground. They will do whatever it takes to make their opponent look bad, even ignoring their once held principles.

[snookums1]

"IF" these allegations are in fact, true, it is rather dispicable. Having said that, as a woman, I will not shed a tear for the demised. The taliban are cruel, heartless, individuals who treat women like dogs. I guess I am a bit tired of the left acting horrified everytime something happens to our enemies. This is exactly why I would never vote democratic again. The democrat party used to be the party for human rights. Not anymore. They are whining about a group of men killed that totally dehumanize women, and where were they when Sara Palen was attacked over and over? I did not see any of the left wing women's rights activists coming to her rescue. The Republicans are not much better. Both parties no longer stand on any moral ground. They will do whatever it takes to make their opponent look bad, even ignoring their once held principles. It was not just men that were killed, it was whole families. And it is in fact true and it did in fact occur. It has been known about for a long time but was shoveled under the rug by the Bush administration since Dostrum was on the CIA payroll at the time it occurred and had US backing.

[worried]

It was not just men that were killed, it was whole families. And it is in fact true and it did in fact occur. It has been known about for a long time but was shoveled under the rug by the Bush administration since Dostrum was on the CIA payroll at the time it occurred and had US backing.

Again, it is dispicable. What have the dems done to help women who are killed and abused by the Taliban?

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

It was not just men that were killed, it was whole families. And it is in fact true and it did in fact occur. It has been known about for a long time but was shoveled under the rug by the Bush administration since Dostrum was on the CIA payroll at the time it occurred and had US backing.

Would you care to show me where anyone other than Taliban fighters were supposedly locked in these contaners for transport by General Abdul Rashid Dostum?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/index.html?curid=4320785#cite_note-Finnegan-2

Please link to your claim that this was entire families, women, infants and children... Not once have I ever read that entire families were supposedly killed during this supposed massacre.

Not to mention the Pentagon already investigated such claims so nothign was "shoved under the rug". See link.

[Re-Poe]

Again, it is dispicable. What have the dems done to help women who are killed and abused by the Taliban?

This is ridiculous imo.

What has humanity done to help?

This is not a democratic problem. This is a problem for the whole world. All human beings- all of mankind.
imo

Do you think because we invaded Iraq and killed thousands of humans that you were made safer? Do you think if we go into Afghan and kill thousands you will be made safer and that women will no longer be abused there? geez- get a grip.....

[Not Telling]

So the Pentagon did investigate.


<snip>



Would that be the same Pentagon that investigated and then lied to his family about Pat Tillman's death?

[Not Telling]

Allegations that some special forces may have been in the vicinity when some General abdool something committed some alleged crimes, no it doesn't bother me, that is a concern for the Aghan people not the U.S. IMO citizens here need to focus on Obama & crew's destruction of democracy. :shrug:

What does this response have to do with the post you replied to?

[snookums1]

Again, it is dispicable. What have the dems done to help women who are killed and abused by the Taliban?

More than the Republicans ever did.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Would that be the same Pentagon that investigated and then lied to his family about Pat Tillman's death?

I am sure it would be—since I only know of one Pentagon however if you are saying because the pentagon lied/misdirected/ got wrong that time and come to the seeming conclusion “then the Pentagon always lied” then we need to go back and assure that Clinton did not lie more than once right? After all he was found guilty of perjury by a federal judge BEFORE he was impeached

[watcher2005]

....And everytime it does: the GOP or Right or Libertarian shout: left wing "stuff." They did it all the time during that Admin: when the Dems even dared mentioned "cry wolf" on all the alert or time alerts, they were called "conspiracly nuts." ....


Libertarians shout a lot of things, but that's not the general nature of the shouts.

[Not Telling]

Again, it is dispicable. What have the dems done to help women who are killed and abused by the Taliban?


Why did Bush approve, help and support President Karzai becoming President of Afghanistan when Karzai has said, "there were many wonderful people in the Taliban." And he approved a law that condoned marital rape that went into effect in July 2009 despite condemnation of by Western leaders including President Obama and Gordon Brown.

[Re-Poe]

Why did Bush approve, help and support President Karzai becoming President of Afghanistan when Karzai has said, "there were many wonderful people in the Taliban." And he approved a law that condoned marital rape that went into effect in July 2009 despite condemnation of by Western leaders including President Obama and Gordon Brown.

Re: marital rape ...OMG -that is horrible! but not surprising.

GWB- all about money and oil. Everything else is just fluff. imo

[Not Telling]

I am sure it would be—since I only know of one Pentagon however if you are saying because the pentagon lied/misdirected/ got wrong that time and come to the seeming conclusion “then the Pentagon always lied” then we need to go back and assure that Clinton did not lie more than once right? After all he was found guilty of perjury by a federal judge BEFORE he was impeached

Since when is an informal inquiry an investigation?

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Re: marital rape ...OMG -that is horrible! but not surprising.

GWB- all about money and oil. Everything else is just fluff. imo

LOL GWB all about Oil, it was just Obama who is giving Brazil 2 BILLION dollars to drill offshore in Brazil. Where are we getting that money in the middle of this recession? Do you know how many jobs that would create if Americans were allowed to do what Obama just financed? Not to mention Obama said no offshore drilling-- bad for the environment.. but it is not bad for the environment in Brazil? LOL

President Obama Finances Offshore Drilling in Brazil - WSJ.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203863204574346610120524166.html

[worried]

This is ridiculous imo.

What has humanity done to help?

This is not a democratic problem. This is a problem for the whole world. All human beings- all of mankind.
imo

Do you think because we invaded Iraq and killed thousands of humans that you were made safer? Do you think if we go into Afghan and kill thousands you will be made safer and that women will no longer be abused there? geez- get a grip..... I think you need to get a grip. Where did I say I was for the Iraq war or any war? I was only stating that for the dems to cry over the Taliban being killed is so typical of them of late. During their outcry, have they said anything about what the Taliban does to women? That answer would be a big resounding No! Where is their humanity? In the hands of the enemy. Big surprise. Anything to oppose the Republicans, who are just as bad as they are most of the time.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Since when is an informal inquiry an investigation?

Inquiry (also enquiry) is any process that has the aim of augmenting knowledge, resolving doubt, or solving a problem. A theory of inquiry is an account of the various types of inquiry and a treatment of the ways that each type of inquiry achieves its aim.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquiry

You claim:

For eight years, the Bush administration obstructed investigations into a massacre carried out in the name of Americans in Dasht-e-Leili, Afghanistan.

If that were the case then no inquiry would have ever taken place by the Pentagon or the news agencies ( Newsweek) listed in the article who investigated it too. Both found that there was NO evidence of US soldiers being there or knowing about such or able to prevent such.

[worried]

Re: marital rape ...OMG -that is horrible! but not surprising.

GWB- all about money and oil. Everything else is just fluff. imo

I agree, but why is Obama sending troups to Afghanistan? Where are the weapons of mass destruction? It really does not matter what side of the isle you are on. There is ALWAYS an agenda when the US goes to war. What is Obama's? Hmmmmm

[orangetaffy]

I agree, but why is Obama sending troups to Afghanistan? Where are the weapons of mass destruction? It really does not matter what side of the isle you are on. There is ALWAYS an agenda when the US goes to war. What is Obama's? Hmmmmm

I find myself wondering why we aren't seeing the photo's of coffins returning from Afghanistan. IIRC there was a big stink made about this issue when Bush was in office and did not allow such photo's from Iraq. Now that the law has been overturned by Obama, there are still no photo's, and hardly no coverage of the war. Why is that? Is the war suddenly acceptable because Obama is in office? Are deaths suddenly down played because Obama is in office?

BOTH sides use our troops as political pawns from what I can see.

[Re-Poe]

I agree, but why is Obama sending troups to Afghanistan? Where are the weapons of mass destruction? It really does not matter what side of the isle you are on. There is ALWAYS an agenda when the US goes to war. What is Obama's? Hmmmmm

Re: what is Obama's

Finishing what Bush started and should have finished but he was to involved in lying to the American people and invading Iraq. imo I dont recall Obama or anyone ever saying that Afghan has WMD.

[worried]

Re: what is Obama's

Finishing what Bush started and should have finished but he was to involved in lying to the American people and invading Iraq. imo I dont recall Obama or anyone ever saying that Afghan has WMD.

Are you kidding me? Why is it that Libs can never admit to anything. They just tote the party line at all costs. It was the Dems screaming about the cost of the Iraq war. Now Obama is adding 2 trillion to his proposed budget. It was the dems screaming about balancing the budget. This budget will NEVER be balanced with Obama adding a trillion here, a trillion there. It was the Dems demanding to know where the WMD's where to justify the war in Iraq. Not only are the Dems not screaming now about Afghanistan but they are perfectly happy to endorse this war knowing the American people cannot handle another dollar being spent to finance another war that is not an immediate threat to our country.

[orangetaffy]

Re: what is Obama's

Finishing what Bush started and should have finished but he was to involved in lying to the American people and invading Iraq. imo I dont recall Obama or anyone ever saying that Afghan has WMD.

Afghanistan will NEVER be finished. It is an unwinnable war, waste of dollars and soldiers. Trying to "wipe out terror" is like trying to put rain back into a cloud. There will always be terrorist. There will always be attacks. Even the Charmed One cannot save the world.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

I find myself wondering why we aren't seeing the photo's of coffins returning from Afghanistan. IIRC there was a big stink made about this issue when Bush was in office and did not allow such photo's from Iraq. Now that the law has been overturned by Obama, there are still no photo's, and hardly no coverage of the war. Why is that? Is the war suddenly acceptable because Obama is in office? Are deaths suddenly down played because Obama is in office?

BOTH sides use our troops as political pawns from what I can see.

Quite!

Where are these flag laden coffins bearing our sons and daughters remains? The heavy hearts and worry over our dead soldiers is seemingly gone. To the point when someone starts a thread about the war dead they are chastised by someone on the left for doing so....

See post 18

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=355714

Post after post about the same subject when Bush was in office and then when someone dares to remember the war dead, this. So sad.

[worried]

Afghanistan will NEVER be finished. It is an unwinnable war, waste of dollars and soldiers. Trying to "wipe out terror" is like trying to put rain back into a cloud. There will always be terrorist. There will always be attacks. Even the Charmed One cannot save the world.

Here is the sad truth. The only way to ever get a leg up in the Middle East is to assasinate the extreme religious clerics and bomb the schools that are teaching these extreme beliefs. Of course, this will never happen. I have many friends from Iraq. When Suddam Hussain was in power he and his sons did many horrible things. Suddam did two things that were good. He took care of the Christians and he got rid of any extremists. I do not agree with the way that he got rid of the extremists but it kept Iraq from being a breeding ground for terrorists. Now, after spending trillions of dollars in Iraq and almost bankrupting the US, Iraq is now a breeding ground for terrorism and the Christians are being murdered and thrown from their homes. We went there for oil and I don't even see that trickling in. We don't need to waste more money in Afghanistan. I just want to hear one anti-war democrat speak out! I doubt it will happen!

[worried]

I find myself wondering why we aren't seeing the photo's of coffins returning from Afghanistan. IIRC there was a big stink made about this issue when Bush was in office and did not allow such photo's from Iraq. Now that the law has been overturned by Obama, there are still no photo's, and hardly no coverage of the war. Why is that? Is the war suddenly acceptable because Obama is in office? Are deaths suddenly down played because Obama is in office?

BOTH sides use our troops as political pawns from what I can see.

I totally agree. It will continue to happen until people reach across party lines and start communicating that we are sick of it.

[Re-Poe]

Afghanistan will NEVER be finished. It is an unwinnable war, waste of dollars and soldiers. Trying to "wipe out terror" is like trying to put rain back into a cloud. There will always be terrorist. There will always be attacks. Even the Charmed One cannot save the world.

I never said anything about a "charmed one" so i have no idea what that is about.

I dont know what will happen in Afghan - all i know is that we should have never stopped there and should have never started in Iraq. GWB all but gave up in Afghan so he could pursue his unjust invasion of Iraq. Now Obama has to deal with all of it. What a mess left for him.

imo

[Re-Poe]

Are you kidding me? Why is it that Libs can never admit to anything. They just tote the party line at all costs. It was the Dems screaming about the cost of the Iraq war. Now Obama is adding 2 trillion to his proposed budget. It was the dems screaming about balancing the budget. This budget will NEVER be balanced with Obama adding a trillion here, a trillion there. It was the Dems demanding to know where the WMD's where to justify the war in Iraq. Not only are the Dems not screaming now about Afghanistan but they are perfectly happy to endorse this war knowing the American people cannot handle another dollar being spent to finance another war that is not an immediate threat to our country.

Are you kidding me? Of course the dems screamed about money for Iraq- we should never have been there in the first place. And GWB did the same thing with his war- adding trillions in debt in special funding that was never added to the budget. Why shouldnt the dems demand to know where the WMDs were? Wasnt that the big lie to get us over there? Of course they would want to know where they were because they were duped and lied to by their supreme leader and they were beginning to realize it. imo

[magythekat]

Reading the article it comes across as more left wing carp designed to shift the focus away from the poor performance of Obama & crew.

I agree Buckbo...but you know the old saying.."all is fair in love, war and politics"...lol

[worried]

Are you kidding me? Of course the dems screamed about money for Iraq- we should never have been there in the first place. And GWB did the same thing with his war- adding trillions in debt in special funding that was never added to the budget. Why shouldnt the dems demand to know where the WMDs were? Wasnt that the big lie to get us over there? Of course they would want to know where they were because they were duped and lied to by their supreme leader and they were beginning to realize it. imo

The sad thing is, the dems don't need to be "duped" to back Obama and Afghanistan. They just drink the kool-aid and support their man whether or not they want another war. Sending more troops to Afghanistan is no different at all to Iraq. It will push the US into bankruptcy, it will cost more American lives, and in the end, nothing will be accomplished. At least the Repulicans were conniving enough to convince everyone that there were WMD's. The "Chosen One" is so arrogant that he does not need to prove anything. "We will go into Afghanistan because I say so". Let it be said, let it be written, blah blah blah

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

I agree 100%, this is why I agree with the way Clinton handled the bombing of the trade center in 93, a quick precision strike and then back off... this was what the terrorist wanted ( a long unwinnable war ), Bush fell for it hook line and sinker

And Obama continues it, why?

[Jumbo1]

Inquiry (also enquiry) is any process that has the aim of augmenting knowledge, resolving doubt, or solving a problem. A theory of inquiry is an account of the various types of inquiry and a treatment of the ways that each type of inquiry achieves its aim.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquiry

You claim:



If that were the case then no inquiry would have ever taken place by the Pentagon or the news agencies ( Newsweek) listed in the article who investigated it too. Both found that there was NO evidence of US soldiers being there or knowing about such or able to prevent such.

Perhaps the inquiring investigator asked his secretary if she had any knowledge of shipping containers in Afghanistan.....she said no....that would be an informal inquiry.

[Len]

For eight years, the Bush administration obstructed investigations into a massacre carried out in the name of Americans in Dasht-e-Leili, Afghanistan.

The massacre dates back to 2001. Two months after the September 11th attacks, in a rural corner of Northern Afghanistan, thousands of alleged Taliban and Al-Qaeda fighters surrendered to a coalition of United States Special Forces and Afghan forces led by the notoriously brutal warlord, General Abdul Rashid Dostum. They were told they would not be harmed. Soon after, they were stacked into metal shipping containers to be transported to a nearby prison. As numerous reports since 2002 have made clear, in increasingly gruesome detail, hundreds of prisoners never made it to the prison; they suffocated in the airless containers beneath the bodies of fellow prisoners -- and were interred in an unmarked mass grave.

The Bush White House thwarted inquiry into the incident on three separate occasions and terminated a Department of Justice investigation that involved survivors of the incident interned at Guantanamo Bay. By contrast, the inquiry President Obama has commissioned could result in war crimes charges.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/24/obama-restarts-massacre-i_n_265455.html


This sounds like a horrendous war crime, probably worse than the massacres of Milosevic in the former Yugoslavia who was extradited and tried by the War crimes Tribunal in the Hague. I am glad the administration appointed a special prosecutor to investigate this alleged crime of the Bush administration. IMO, there should be a special international court to try such crimes against humanity and whoever the prosecutor identifies as suspect should be extradited and tried there, no matter how high up he was.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Perhaps the inquiring investigator asked his secretary if she had any knowledge of shipping containers in Afghanistan.....she said no....that would be an informal inquiry.

And you believe that is all Newsweek asked as well?

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

This sounds like a horrendous war crime, probably worse than the massacres of Milosevic in the former Yugoslavia who was extradited and tried by the War crimes Tribunal in the Hague. I am glad the administration appointed a special prosecutor to investigate this alleged crime of the Bush administration. IMO, there should be a special international court to try such crimes against humanity and whoever the prosecutor identifies as suspect should be extradited and tried there, no matter how high up he was.

So not only were our troops supposedly present when General Abdul Rashid Dostum committed these offenses a mere two weeks into the war-- it is now a crime of the Bush adminstration that which an afgan general may have done? :blink:

[worried]

This sounds like a horrendous war crime, probably worse than the massacres of Milosevic in the former Yugoslavia who was extradited and tried by the War crimes Tribunal in the Hague. I am glad the administration appointed a special prosecutor to investigate this alleged crime of the Bush administration. IMO, there should be a special international court to try such crimes against humanity and whoever the prosecutor identifies as suspect should be extradited and tried there, no matter how high up he was.

Yes, let's punish the American people for these supposed crimes. We certainly have not spent enough hard earned money on the war in Iraq. Not ony do we need a special international court, but we should most definately appoint commitees, sub-commitees, oversight commitees. Then of course we should hold these courts here and pay for the whole thing. We should pick up the tab for the whole shabang! Who cares if the average American is losing their homes, unemployed and barely scraping up enough money every week for groceries. An "alleged" injustice has been committed against our enemies. For crying out loud, do you even begin to understand how ludicrous this is!

[Jumbo1]

Yes, let's punish the American people for these supposed crimes. We certainly have not spent enough hard earned money on the war in Iraq. Not ony do we need a special international court, but we should most definately appoint commitees, sub-commitees, oversight commitees. Then of course we should hold these courts here and pay for the whole thing. We should pick up the tab for the whole shabang! Who cares if the average American is losing their homes, unemployed and barely scraping up enough money every week for groceries. An "alleged" injustice has been committed against our enemies. For crying out loud, do you even begin to understand how ludicrous this is!

No, I suppose we should just keep the perp on our payroll & overlook the masacre. Just like we should overlook all the war crimes & the mining of our communications networks without warrants, the oath of office, the politicization of govt agencies, the bombing of Iraq based on lies, the outing of a covert CIA agent....just let it all slide so it can be repeated again & again.

[Not Telling]

Inquiry (also enquiry) is any process that has the aim of augmenting knowledge, resolving doubt, or solving a problem. A theory of inquiry is an account of the various types of inquiry and a treatment of the ways that each type of inquiry achieves its aim.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquiry

You claim:



If that were the case then no inquiry would have ever taken place by the Pentagon or the news agencies ( Newsweek) listed in the article who investigated it too. Both found that there was NO evidence of US soldiers being there or knowing about such or able to prevent such.

Oh....so if your child suddenly and unexpectedly died....and you believed they were murdered....you would be satisfied and have no problem with an "informal inquiry" that resulted in no wrongdoing found rather than a formal detailed investigation that left no stone unturned?


BTW...Haven't many conservatives argued that just because WMDs weren't found in Iraq, (after a thorough and exhaustive search by many) it doesn't mean Saddam didn't have them..???

[Not Telling]

And you believe that is all Newsweek asked as well?

Do you believe Newsweek had access to all of the relevant information?

[Not Telling]

So not only were our troops supposedly present when General Abdul Rashid Dostum committed these offenses a mere two weeks into the war-- it is now a crime of the Bush adminstration that which an afgan general may have done? :blink:

Covering up crimes and obstructing justice are against the law... jmo

[Not Telling]

Yes, let's punish the American people for these supposed crimes. We certainly have not spent enough hard earned money on the war in Iraq. Not ony do we need a special international court, but we should most definately appoint commitees, sub-commitees, oversight commitees. Then of course we should hold these courts here and pay for the whole thing. We should pick up the tab for the whole shabang! Who cares if the average American is losing their homes, unemployed and barely scraping up enough money every week for groceries. An "alleged" injustice has been committed against our enemies. For crying out loud, do you even begin to understand how ludicrous this is!


Want to talk about wasting Americans hard earned money? Let's start with nearly $80 million spent on investigating the Clintons...

Parallel to the Independent Counsel track, both houses of the United States Congress investigated and held hearings including:

The House Banking Committee
The Senate Banking Committee
The Senate Special Whitewater Committee
The Senate Special Whitewater committee's hearings ran for 300 hours over 60 sessions across 13 months, taking over 10,000 pages of testimony and 35,000 pages of depositions from almost 250 people...
And the Clintons weren't even accused of mass murder!

How many criminal indictments and convictions against the Clintons were obtained as a result of this approx. 5 yr. investigation?

[Not Telling]

Probably liberal propaganda, but Obama and supporters have no problems throwing our troops under the bus in order to deflect attention away from the incompetence and corruption of this administration. Chi-town politics in action.

If our troops did nothing wrong don't we owe it to them to give them the opportunity to officially clear their name?

[worried]

Want to talk about wasting Americans hard earned money? Let's start with nearly $80 million spent on investigating the Clintons...

Parallel to the Independent Counsel track, both houses of the United States Congress investigated and held hearings including:

The House Banking Committee
The Senate Banking Committee
The Senate Special Whitewater Committee
The Senate Special Whitewater committee's hearings ran for 300 hours over 60 sessions across 13 months, taking over 10,000 pages of testimony and 35,000 pages of depositions from almost 250 people...
And the Clintons weren't even accused of mass murder!

How many criminal indictments and convictions against the Clintons were obtained as a result of this approx. 5 yr. investigation?

Hey, you are not getting an arguement out of me on this. I hate squandering tax payers dollars on all of this stupid nonsense. I don't care which side of the aisle it comes from.

[worried]

If our troops did nothing wrong don't we owe it to them to give them the opportunity to officially clear their name?

I am not interested in our troops clearing their names and I am willing to bet most of the tax payers could care less either. Let us not forget who they have been "allegedly" accused of killing. Who started these rumors in the first place? For what purpose? It certainly would make an interesting poll. "How many Americans are upset that the Taliban were "allegedly" killed by Americans? ROFL!

[worried]

Covering up crimes and obstructing justice are against the law... jmo

The last I heard, murder, kidnap and torture were against the law too. Here is just one of thousands of articles on the horrendous crimes the Taliban commits. http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/02/taliban-murders-schoolchildren-on-bus-their-crime-being-shia.html. Why don't you put your time and energy in a cause that matters. Let's say, helping the women in Afghanistan get past the Taliban to be able to get an education. Or how about helping to bring about changes in their laws whereas a woman is not at fault when raped. I could go on and on but I am sure it would be mute.

[worried]

Well, you lose that bet. I find your position horribly un-American. Those young people have volunteered to give their lives in defense of our country. It's our obligation to help them clear their names. GEEZ

moo
There is that liberal catch word "Un-American". Too bad you could not have found a way to call me a "racist" at the same time. The far left dig and dig until they find something to bring to the forefront to attempt to make our troops look bad. Then they start getting all fired up, calling for trials, hearings, oversight committees. What you don't seem to understand is that you are the majority in this country. Most people are not going to care one iota if our enemies were killed. Attempting to make our American troops look bad when they have killed our enemies? I think "Un-American" would truly apply here.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Oh....so if your child suddenly and unexpectedly died....and you believed they were murdered....you would be satisfied and have no problem with an "informal inquiry" that resulted in no wrongdoing found rather than a formal detailed investigation that left no stone unturned?


BTW...Haven't many conservatives argued that just because WMDs weren't found in Iraq, (after a thorough and exhaustive search by many) it doesn't mean Saddam didn't have them..???

There have been several FORMAL investigations by many independent sources NONE have found US Soldiers being involved.

Let me ask you, would you be demanding this FORMAL investigation if Bush had not been president? Because all the investigations to include an investigative REPORT From a CNN reporter who was there at the time says no US forces were involved and the number dead was much smaller than reported. Newsweek found no US forces involved. AND Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist James Risen found the same.

Again would you demand our government investigate the supposed crimes of General Abdul Rashid Dostum against the Taliban army if it were not for Bush being in office. I believe that I and everyone else here know the answer.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dasht-i-Leili_massacre

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Do you believe Newsweek had access to all of the relevant information?

Between the CNN reporter who was present who said no US forces were involved, the Newsweek reports, investigation and Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist James Risen for the New York Times --all who said no US forces were involved-- all three of those sources IMO would have found evidence of US involvement. On top of that add the Pentagon report -- no US forces were involved.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dasht-i-Leili_massacre

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Covering up crimes and obstructing justice are against the law... jmo

Whose crimes were supposedly covered up? General Abdul Rashid Dostum's against the Taliban army?

[worried]

Whose crimes were supposedly covered up? General Abdul Rashid Dostum's against the Taliban army?

LOL! This is such a pathetic attempt to drag America through the mud again. Why do these people live here? If America is so horrible, go somewhere else. I am sure the Taliban would welcome them with open arms, AFTER they lopped off their heads, ROFL.

[worried]

All of you Libs out there may want to stop pounding on your chests about this topic. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/08/24/cia-probe-is-terrible-politics-for-obama-dem-strategist-says/ Even James Carville says that this investigation will not fly with the American people. I hate to say "I told you so", but.........

[ABC]

All of you Libs out there may want to stop pounding on your chests about this topic. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/08/24/cia-probe-is-terrible-politics-for-obama-dem-strategist-says/ Even James Carville says that this investigation will not fly with the American people. I hate to say "I told you so", but.........

Who would have thought the LW Dems would implode the party so quickly? Even for them, seven months has gotta be a record. Of course, this thing won't fly. The LW is making the Dems look vindictive,in my opinion This is awful and 9/11 is coming up soon with all the horror assocaited with it including the death of hundreds of fire and policemen and over 2000 civilians. I don't believe that Holder did this without the okay of Obama but I think these guys are really huring themselves, the Democratic party and their majority in Congress.

[worried]

I believe torture and covering up crimes is a HUGE cause that does matter. Frankly, I don't have enough time or energy to worry about everything, and the crimes the Taliban commit on non-U.S. citizens in other countries are way down at the bottom on my list.

That's the problem in this country. Too often groups are more worried about animals, or problems in other countries, than they are about what's going on right here in the U.S. Let's start with the homeless, the starving, the unemployed, those without healthcare.........once those causes are in hand then we can move on to other countries, and animals.

moo
You "don't have the time or energy to worry about the crimes the Taliban commit on non-U.S. citizens?" I thought you Libs were all about caring and compassion. I guess that is only when it suits your purpose. You were outraged about Iraq but support Afghanistan. If that is not nausiating enough, you throw our American troops under the bus in support of the Taliban. Really, WTH happened to the Democratic party? I don't recognize them anymore! I got out of that party long ago and am so proud that I did.

[Doc Holliday]

Between the CNN reporter who was present who said no US forces were involved, the Newsweek reports, investigation and Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist James Risen for the New York Times --all who said no US forces were involved-- all three of those sources IMO would have found evidence of US involvement. On top of that add the Pentagon report -- no US forces were involved.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dasht-i-Leili_massacre

I seriously doubt any US forces were directly involved. Remember how it was back then. There wasn't a large scale US presence, just small teams of Special Forces and Air Force combat air controllers, etc., and CIA personnel. The CIA had landed first, cash in hand, and hooked up with the Northern Alliance. Special Forces teams arrived later to engineer the precision bombing of Taliban troops.

Remember that bin Laden had cunningly had the Northern Alliance leader Massoud assassinated just a couple of days before 9-11 (I was a big fan of Massoud when I was a little kid and watched as the Soviets couldn't defeat the great Lion of Panjshir. I was shocked and saddened by his assassination).

Without Massoud, the Northern Alliance was bound to be weakened and prone to more infighting. Part of the CIA's job was to keep the Northern Alliance together. So, after Dostum did this, I'm sure that even if they knew about it, the CIA had no intention of pressing the matter and alienating Dostum (who they didn't even like in the first place).

And I have no doubt that Dostum did carry out the massacre. He's been a little bit of everything in his life, including a Communist boss. He's a murderous creep and the massacre in question wasn't something unusual to that brutal thug (but note that the Uzbeks adore him and to a person raised in that environment, it's an eye for an eye; to massacre thousands of Taliban is nothing when they massacred thousands of Uzbeks).

So were Americans directly involved? I seriously doubt it (especially the Special Forces). Were they indirectly involved in the sense that they knew about it? Possibly - but they couldn't or wouldn't make a big stink about it. That's my take on it.

Now for the present. I haven't been keeping up with things, but could all this really have more to do with the fact that Karzai invited him back to A-stan? Karzai no doubt was trying to win the Uzbek vote, which he would have with Dostum's endorsement.

But the US doesn't want Dostum there.

Could all this really have more to do with the fact that the US doesn't want Dostum in A-stan and/or wants to put pressure on Karzai to minimize Dostum's role in the Afghan government?

Just a thought, anyway. Here is an interesting article about Dostum by Brian Glyn Williams, who interviewed Dostum for a couple of weeks.

The Return of the Kingmaker (http://www.jamestown.org/single/?no_cache=1&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=35439&tx_ttnews[backPid]=7&cHash=fc577e51c0)

And here is his experience with Dostum:
Traveling beyond the blackboard. (http://www.umassd.edu/alumni/commconn/travelingbb.pdf)

I read the account of a famous charge by Dostum's Uzbek horsemen (descendants of Genghis Khan's troops) against entrenched Taliban by a CIA officer who was there.

Simply amazing. I can't remember what book that was, though. It was written by one of the first CIA officers to arrive in Afghanistan after 9-11.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

I seriously doubt any US forces were directly involved. Remember how it was back then. There wasn't a large scale US presence, just small teams of Special Forces and Air Force combat air controllers, etc., and CIA personnel. The CIA had landed first, cash in hand, and hooked up with the Northern Alliance. Special Forces teams arrived later to engineer the precision bombing of Taliban troops.

Remember that bin Laden had cunningly had the Northern Alliance leader Massoud assassinated just a couple of days before 9-11 (I was a big fan of Massoud when I was a little kid and watched as the Soviets couldn't defeat the great Lion of Panjshir. I was shocked and saddened by his assassination).

Without Massoud, the Northern Alliance was bound to be weakened and prone to more infighting. Part of the CIA's job was to keep the Northern Alliance together. So, after Dostum did this, I'm sure that even if they knew about it, the CIA had no intention of pressing the matter and alienating Dostum (who they didn't even like in the first place).

And I have no doubt that Dostum did carry out the massacre. He's been a little bit of everything in his life, including a Communist boss. He's a murderous creep and the massacre in question wasn't something unusual to that brutal thug (but note that the Uzbeks adore him and to a person raised in that environment, it's an eye for an eye; to massacre thousands of Taliban is nothing when they massacred thousands of Uzbeks).

So were Americans directly involved? I seriously doubt it (especially the Special Forces). Were they indirectly involved in the sense that they knew about it? Possibly - but they couldn't or wouldn't make a big stink about it. That's my take on it.

Now for the present. I haven't been keeping up with things, but could all this really have more to do with the fact that Karzai invited him back to A-stan? Karzai no doubt was trying to win the Uzbek vote, which he would have with Dostum's endorsement.

But the US doesn't want Dostum there.

Could all this really have more to do with the fact that the US doesn't want Dostum in A-stan and/or wants to put pressure on Karzai to minimize Dostum's role in the Afghan government?

Just a thought, anyway. Here is an interesting article about Dostum by Brian Glyn Williams, who interviewed Dostum for a couple of weeks.

The Return of the Kingmaker (http://www.jamestown.org/single/?no_cache=1&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=35439&tx_ttnews[backPid]=7&cHash=fc577e51c0)

And here is his experience with Dostum:
Traveling beyond the blackboard. (http://www.umassd.edu/alumni/commconn/travelingbb.pdf)

I read the account of a famous charge by Dostum's Uzbek horsemen (descendants of Genghis Khan's troops) against entrenched Taliban by a CIA officer who was there.

Simply amazing. I can't remember what book that was, though. It was written by one of the first CIA officers to arrive in Afghanistan after 9-11.

Thank you, I had forgottten about Massoud. Sounds like we do a lot of the same reading. Was the book:

Taliban: Islam, oil and the new great game in central Asia?

[Doc Holliday]

Thank you, I had forgottten about Massoud. Sounds like we do a lot of the same reading. Was the book:

Taliban: Islam, oil and the new great game in central Asia?

Actually it was "First In: An Insider's Account of How the CIA Spearheaded the War on Terror in Afghanistan" by Gary Schroen. Schroen wasn't assigned to Dostum, but he relates the story of the cavalry charge by the CIA guy who was there.

Must have been a heck of a thing to witness. The cruel Taliban, wearing their distinctive black turbans, peering out of their trenches and seeing hundreds and hundreds of Uzbek horsemen - direct descendants of Genghis Khan's mongol hordes - charging at them on horseback while firing their AK's and RPG's. And the Taliban were routed.

Another book I recommend is "Not a Good Day to Die: The Untold Story of Operation Anaconda" by Sean Naylor. What a story! That was the first large scale battle in A-stan by conventional US forces. Huge pre-battle mistakes were made and they went into something that was much bigger than they expected, but the heroic performance of the average American infantryman certainly made me proud. And the Special Ops teams (Delta and SEALs) performed astounding feats which most likely saved the day. (One fault with the author: Naylor is pro-Army and has a bias against the Navy; SEALs come across as whiners while the Delta operators are superhumans).

On my wish list is "Kill Bin Laden" http://www.daltonfury.com/

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Actually it was "First In: An Insider's Account of How the CIA Spearheaded the War on Terror in Afghanistan" by Gary Schroen. Schroen wasn't assigned to Dostum, but he relates the story of the cavalry charge by the CIA guy who was there.

Must have been a heck of a thing to witness. The cruel Taliban, wearing their distinctive black turbans, peering out of their trenches and seeing hundreds and hundreds of Uzbek horsemen - direct descendants of Genghis Khan's mongol hordes - charging at them on horseback while firing their AK's and RPG's. And the Taliban were routed.

Another book I recommend is "Not a Good Day to Die: The Untold Story of Operation Anaconda" by Sean Naylor. What a story! That was the first large scale battle in A-stan by conventional US forces. Huge pre-battle mistakes were made and they went into something that was much bigger than they expected, but the heroic performance of the average American infantryman certainly made me proud. And the Special Ops teams (Delta and SEALs) performed astounding feats which most likely saved the day. (One fault with the author: Naylor is pro-Army and has a bias against the Navy; SEALs come across as whiners while the Delta operators are superhumans).

On my wish list is "Kill Bin Laden" http://www.daltonfury.com/


That is the book on the Shahikot Mountains right? IIRC actually met the writer in the PX he was doing a book signing in 03 IIRC he used to write for the Army Times didn’t he?

The picture you paint of the Taliban and Kahn’s ancestors is great! Perhaps you should pen a book!

[Doc Holliday]

Yep, that's the battle and that's the guy! He used to write for the Army Times.

The one beef I have is that he really does seem to have that pro-Army bias... I seriously doubt some of the SEALs were as whiny as he portrays them. And when the Delta commander got pulled, and another guy took over, then that's when all hell broke out and that chopper crashed landed around that mountain top where SEAL Neil Roberts was killed.

I wish I had the experience to write about such events.......so many of our people have incredible tales to tell........

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Yep, that's the battle and that's the guy! He used to write for the Army Times.

The one beef I have is that he really does seem to have that pro-Army bias... I seriously doubt some of the SEALs were as whiny as he portrays them. And when the Delta commander got pulled, and another guy took over, then that's when all hell broke out and that chopper crashed landed around that mountain top where SEAL Neil Roberts was killed.

I wish I had the experience to write about such events.......so many of our people have incredible tales to tell........

Yes, he does have a bias IMO. His Chinook took fire however the way he writes sometimes you would think he shot himself in the foot. if anything the intell was all messed up for Op Andaconda and that is why he died!!

[ABC]

Why is the left so quick to throw our military or CIA agents to the wolves, aren't there other means of shifting the focus away from their destruction of democracy?
I my opinion only, this will backfire on the Obama Admin like the Cambridge Police "acted stupidly" when a Police Sgt. arrested a pal of Obama who got in his face.

[Not Telling]

Why is the left so quick to throw our military or CIA agents to the wolves, aren't there other means of shifting the focus away from their destruction of democracy?

How exactly was my question: "If our troops did nothing wrong don't we owe it to them to give them the opportunity to officially clear their name?"

throwing our military to the wolves?

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

How exactly was my question: "If our troops did nothing wrong don't we owe it to them to give them the opportunity to officially clear their name?"

throwing our military to the wolves?

Simply put, one way is-- we are at war right now with Iraq and Afghanistan--these allegations are going to be reopened when it was already proven by REPORTERS who were present at the time, investigations, and inquiries, that our troops had no involvement. But hey let’s throw it out there again and our troops, who are therein Afghanistan will now pay for it when they are kidnapped for retaliation for and Afghani’s supposed war crimes.

[Not Telling]

Risen's story in the Times earlier this month said the slaughter "may have been the most significant mass killing in Afghanistan after the 2001 American-led invasion." The Times added that American officials resisted a war crimes investigation because the warlord who allegedly orchestrated the mass killing, Dostum, was a paid CIA asset who had worked closely with U.S. Special Forces. At the time of the killings, Dostum was working hand-in-glove with soldiers from the Army's 5th Special Forces Group. During that phase of the war in Afghanistan, small numbers of Special Forces soldiers typically accompanied much larger numbers of U.S.-allied Northern Alliance forces on the battlefield.


What the Times did not say was that these Guantánamo prisoners also said that U.S. personnel were present during the massacre. "The allegation was that U.S. forces were present while Dostum's troops were herding these people into these containers," Spry, now retired from the FBI and working as an FBI consultant, told Salon. "They were out rounding up alleged Taliban and insurgent folks."

One of the reasons he pushed for an investigation of the alleged massacre, Spry said, was that the United States could both fulfill its obligations to look into war crimes and prove false any allegations of American involvement.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/07/22/mass_graves/




Physicians for Human Rights

In November 2001, as many as 2,000 Taliban prisoners are believed to have been killed in container trucks by US-allied Afghan troops and buried in a mass grave in Dasht-e Leili, Afghanistan. These Afghan troops were operating jointly with American forces, who were allegedly present at the scene of the crime. PHR investigators discovered the mass grave in 2002

http://afghanistan.phrblog.org/
© Physicians for Human Rights, 2007.




New Evidence that Bush Administration Impeded 3 Investigations into Alleged Massacre of Up to 2,000 Prisoners in Afghanistan

CAMBRIDGE, Mass., July 10, 2009 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ ----Physicians for Human Rights (PHR) has issued a call for a criminal probe in the wake of a major New York Times story with new evidence that the Bush Administration impeded at least three federal investigations into alleged war crimes in Afghanistan in 2002. PHR is calling for the Department of Justice to investigate why the Bush Administration impeded an FBI criminal probe of the alleged Dasht-e-Leili massacre.

According to US government documents obtained by PHR, as many as 2,000 surrendered Taliban fighters were reportedly suffocated in container trucks by Afghan forces operating jointly with the US in November 2001. The bodies were reportedly buried in mass graves in the Dasht-e-Leili desert near Sheberghan, Afghanistan. Notorious Afghan warlord General Abdul Rashid Dostum, who was reportedly on the CIA payroll, is allegedly responsible for the massacre.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/entertainment/new-evidence-bush-administration-impeded--investigations-alleged-massacre-/

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

LOL I love how you IGNORE that Risen he says he does not believe that US troops were involved and I quote:


Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist James Risen

Risen commented in the programme that in writing his article he "tried not to get caught up in something that I think in the past has slowed down some of the efforts by journalists to look into this. I think in the past one of the mistakes some journalists made was to try and prove a direct involvement by the U.S. personnel in the massacre itself. I frankly don't believe that any U.S. military personnel were involved in the massacre. And, you know, U.S. Special Forces troops who were traveling with Dostum have long maintained that they knew nothing about this. And, you know, so I tried not to go down that road." He added that "the investigation should focus rather on what happened afterwards in the Bush administration."[10]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dasht-i-Leili_massacre


Pelton a reporter for CNN ( This guy WAS THERE at the time)


Allegations of American involvement were disputed by Robert Young Pelton, who had been in the area reporting for National Geographic and CNN. Pelton also said the number of prisoners who had died in the containers had been far smaller than alleged in Doran's documentary

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dasht-i-Leili_massacre

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

And as I pointed out earlier you make it sound as if this were US troops fault and or the US's and you put our soldiers in harms way NOW who are there for something an Afghan soldier did and the US knew nothing about at the time.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

What part of this don't you understand?

According to US government documents obtained by PHR, as many as 2,000 surrendered Taliban fighters were reportedly suffocated in container trucks by Afghan forces operating jointly with the US in November 2001.

I understand it perfectly well. As you read the same report you linked to and the same on I did-- the reporter was certain American Forces had nothing to do with such and were NOT there.

We right now as we speak are working JOINTLY with the British ( and a few other countries) If the British forces went on some rogue mission we did not know about OUR forces who were NOT There are NOT responsible for what the British forces may have done!

What part of that are you having a hard time understanding? You know very well as has been stated by 3 separate investigative journalists ---one who was present at the time-- US forces were not there and did not have any idea what the Afghan General was doing.

Working jointly with the UK and Australia and whomever else—does NOT MAKE us responsible if one of their soldiers or Generals went on a killing spree without our knowledge.

[Brentwood]

For eight years, the Bush administration obstructed investigations into a massacre carried out in the name of Americans in Dasht-e-Leili, Afghanistan.

The massacre dates back to 2001. Two months after the September 11th attacks, in a rural corner of Northern Afghanistan, thousands of alleged Taliban and Al-Qaeda fighters surrendered to a coalition of United States Special Forces and Afghan forces led by the notoriously brutal warlord, General Abdul Rashid Dostum. They were told they would not be harmed. Soon after, they were stacked into metal shipping containers to be transported to a nearby prison. As numerous reports since 2002 have made clear, in increasingly gruesome detail, hundreds of prisoners never made it to the prison; they suffocated in the airless containers beneath the bodies of fellow prisoners -- and were interred in an unmarked mass grave.

The Bush White House thwarted inquiry into the incident on three separate occasions and terminated a Department of Justice investigation that involved survivors of the incident interned at Guantanamo Bay. By contrast, the inquiry President Obama has commissioned could result in war crimes charges.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/24/obama-restarts-massacre-i_n_265455.html

There needs to be justice and I hope it happens.

[orangetaffy]

Fine if they want the investigation but why not put the needs of the American people first? Unemployment, poverty, health care - I would think these things would take priority now.
IMO

I predict there will be a few more "crisis" headlines in the next few weeks, along with "startling" economic recovery news.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Oh, no. This response makes me think it's true. There are people that want to shift focus away from them, but it's not the Obama administration. :rolleyes:

Shift focus off of what exactly? Whose crimes were supposedly covered up? General Abdul Rashid Dostum's against the Taliban army?

[flareon]

You know what I think we need?

I think we need another Major Presidential Address to the Nation on the Health Care Plan!

But wait!

There's one coming up next week!!!

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

I doubt if he will have time for that. Isn't he on vacation again next week?

[flareon]

You know that is odd - I think he is and yet I recall that another Major Address was in the works.

I mean in addition to the school Major Address.

Well, you know what they say - the guy can multi-task!

:laugh::laugh:

Well, isn't the major school address going to be taped? He can crank that out and still get away at the beginning of the week.

The other major address is just going to be repeated rhetoric. He could just set up a recorder saying ditto ditto. :biggrin:

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Well, right off the bat, Dick Cheney comes to mind.

So with evidence that has been presented that no US forces were there or even knew of this --somehow-- in fact the opposite-- now it is Cheney’s fault some afghan General may have killed Taliban fighters??