8/24 & 8/25

[KittyMom]

State Witness List Update
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20547663/detail.html

Sean Henady, Lafayette, IN
Founder of Aerial Image Corp in 2005

James Thompson, Maitland, FL
http://www.techbayusa.com/ and
http://www.clubrunner.ca/CPrg/Bulletin/SendBulletinEmail.aspx?cid=1520
On the left under "Club Site Sponsors" -"Techbay USA"

Is this the same James Thompson?
http://www.mymasn.com/profile/JamesThompson

[happygert]

Dang throwing a temper tantrum.. I want to know what in those new motions.. Hope the Judge lets the DA office know whats in them and atleast gives them a chance to respond.. wonder if rulings will be soon?..

[Sun]

MO.. defense is worried that Judge will set a date thats why the new motion sent to Judge. I agree its not right that they can do this.. If thats the case DA should be able to be heard on the defenses "motion".. I believe it was filed yesterday or we would have heard about it on Friday..


Well, I just found links to what I was wondering about. One was filed with the Clerks office Friday afternoon at 3:58, the other on Monday. First doc asks for trial date for check/fraud for Oct. 2010. Three days later, the doc is asking for a date of Nov 2010.

Someone on the defense side seems to be very undecided, or they are having some mis-communications among their numerous attorneys?

MOTIONS: New Trial Date Reply
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20547538/detail.html

MOTIONS: Amended Response
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20547429/detail.html

[happygert]

State Witness List Update
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20547663/detail.html

Sean Henady, Lafayette, IN
Founder of Aerial Image Corp in 2005

James Thompson, Maitland, FL
http://www.techbayusa.com/ and
http://www.clubrunner.ca/CPrg/Bulletin/SendBulletinEmail.aspx?cid=1520
On the left under "Club Site Sponsors" -"Techbay USA"

Just a thought here.. But could it be that dc got the cameras from him to set up around the A's home? or could he have set them up? or just maybe they had some "WORK" done on their computers to clean them out? umm very intersting.. or did the D.A's have them do some work for them on the A's computers?

[Sun]

sneaking in here on lunch.

he should have paddled her little fanny once in a while instead of blowing o-so-rehearsed-fake-and-stomach-churning-kisses to her and calling her "gorgeous" and "beautiful". hey, "gorgeous" can be misspelled to be "georges", right? maybe that's why he calls her that?

what's especially pathetic is that cindy kept saying in her statements to le that kc had a lot of animosity toward george because of what he did to cindy (concealing things). when i read that, i went "o - so she discuss marital problems with the kids, right? how WRONG is that?"

musta been done to have the kids pick sides - in other words, mom over pop - SHOW YOUR DANG LOYALTY!

no child should be exposed to that. another instance of dysfunction.
Do you recall if George was ever asked by LE/FBI, about his style of disciplining Caylee? (or Casey for that matter!?)

[happygert]

Well, I just found links to what I was wondering about. One was filed with the Clerks office Friday afternoon at 3:58, the other on Monday. First doc asks for trial date for check/fraud for Oct. 2010. Three days later, the doc is asking for a date of Nov 2010.

Someone on the defense side seems to be very undecided, or they are having some mis-communications among their numerous attorneys?

MOTIONS: New Trial Date Reply
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20547538/detail.html

MOTIONS: Amended Response
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20547429/detail.html

Thank You Sun.. been bugging about tose dang motions.. hope JUDGE says no way jose.. were going to trial in 2009........IIRC wasn't jb in a hurry to get AL to airport.. something to the effect if I dont get Professor Lyons to the airport she's going to have my butt..

[desmom]

Is this the same James Thompson?
http://www.mymasn.com/profile/JamesThompson

Could be KittyMom.

ETA ~ Hmm, not sure Kitty. His myspace ( http://www.myspace.com/cocoabeachsunset ) says he was born in Tampa, raised in Cocoa Beach and now calls Orlando home. :shrug:

[KittyMom]

Just a thought here.. But could it be that dc got the cameras from him to set up around the A's home? or could he have set them up? or just maybe they had some "WORK" done on their computers to clean them out? umm very intersting.. or did the D.A's have them do some work for them on the A's computers?

I was thinking if this was aerial photos that maybe he'd taken a photo of the site where Caylee was found while it was under water.

[sydney]

And in her interview Cindy referred to Casey 'sobbing' when George was on the stand. Without looking up the definition, I've always considered 'sobbing' to be audible, uncontrolled crying. What a liar Cindy is!!!! In her mind, if she wants something to be true, then it is true.

amazing how she could see thru kc's head, huh? i'm surprised cindy didn't say kc was sobbing when she saw cindy! kc always wanted to grow up to be cindy, cindy was her role model, they were best friends (all according to cindy, of course) so, if they were that close, why didn't kc "sob" when she "saw" cindy?

[Sun]

Thank You Sun.. been bugging about tose dang motions.. hope JUDGE says no way jose.. were going to trial in 2009........IIRC wasn't jb in a hurry to get AL to airport.. something to the effect if I dont get Professor Lyons to the airport she's going to have my butt..

Perhaps on that ride, Lyon instructed Baez to file a document to the court providing a "date" that the defense wants. Then when Lyon saw what Baez had filed, she hit the roof, and made his firm submitted a version that she liked better. Comparing the text of the first one, to the text of the second one, is quite telling. Baez did one. Lyon perhaps drafted the second one (and her siggy block is only on the second one).

[sydney]

Do you recall if George was ever asked by LE/FBI, about his style of disciplining Caylee? (or Casey for that matter!?)

hey, sun! no, i sure don't.

[happygert]

Going back to James Thompson.. remember when bc said cindy had probelms with her computer and could not turn over what the SA office wanted? well my thought on this is no problem with comptuer they lied once again.. IMO James Thompson did some work on A's computer all right, but it was to destroy what ever was on there once again.. Could it be that casey was e-mailing mommy and daddy via jb's laptop and mommy and daddy was returning e-mails using jb's address so casey could read them when he visited? Just a thought..

[cuddlyrunner]

Oh goodie, I have 12 more days till I go back to school-does that mean that we will have a doc dump. I love doc dump days :-)

[Sun]

IF I was a juror (Objectively) this would be just as troubling as Casey not reporting Caylee missing for 31 days.
Two weeks after Caylee disappears she goes and has "beautiful life"
tattooed. That is very troubling especially when your 2 year old child has been "kidnapped.":sneaky:

It is a very troubling thought that Casey was get this tattoo, especially since she did admit to the 911 operator, to LE/FBI, and to DCF that her daughter "went missing" in June.

I'm trying to think how the defense team could explain this tattoo to a jury. I'm getting a headache thinking. Nothing is coming to mind. It's going to take a bigger imagination that mine, I fear.

[sydney]

i was thinking about george blowing kisses with both hands and mouthing the words "i love you" to kc.

that struck me as a gesture an opera singer or theater actor would give to their *most adoring fans*. who says he directed toward kc? he was facing everyone in the courtroom, right? perhaps cindy was clapping softly in her head and he was thanking her for her rave reviews of his performance....

[desmom]

More on James Thompson .....

http://phonephriendly.com/about.html

The store supports mobile phone users by providing phone training, backup and recovery services for smartphones.

Maybe LE found Casey's blackjack II phone. :shrug:

[happygert]

I was thinking if this was aerial photos that maybe he'd taken a photo of the site where Caylee was found while it was under water.

I think this guy or his company may had done the aerial photos..

Sean Henady, Lafayette, IN
Founder of Aerial Image Corp in 2005


I think James Thompson is more eletronic kind of guy..

[sydney]

It is a very troubling thought that Casey was get this tattoo, especially since she did admit to the 911 operator, to LE/FBI, and to DCF that her daughter "went missing" in June.

I'm trying to think how the defense team could explain this tattoo to a jury. I'm getting a headache thinking. Nothing is coming to mind. It's going to take a bigger imagination that mine, I fear.

ooooh! i know! i know!

she did it to cheer herself up and remind herself that caylee would be home by her birthday - kc's *punishment* would be over, she would be reunited with her darling daughter and would have a new outlook on how precious that little girl really is!

[desmom]

Oh goodie, I have 12 more days till I go back to school-does that mean that we will have a doc dump. I love doc dump days :-)

http://www.wftv.com/news/20548234/detail.html

:( The defense also received 1,700 more pages of documents, eight more photo bucket files and FBI records. It's unclear when that evidence will be released to the media.

[Sun]

Going back to James Thompson.. remember when bc said cindy had probelms with her computer and could not turn over what the SA office wanted? well my thought on this is no problem with comptuer they lied once again.. IMO James Thompson did some work on A's computer all right, but it was to destroy what ever was on there once again.. Could it be that casey was e-mailing mommy and daddy via jb's laptop and mommy and daddy was returning e-mails using jb's address so casey could read them when he visited? Just a thought..

ooooo, that is good thinking on your part, about Cindy and George's PC and that timeframe.

I'm told that Casey would not be allowed to "touch" Baez's pc, but perhaps could view what was shown on the display. ...so I don't believe she's sending any emails through Baez, unless he's doing the transcribing. ....and IMO, Baez is not allowing Casey to visit or communicate with Casey, except in very limited form.

[happygert]

Perhaps on that ride, Lyon instructed Baez to file a document to the court providing a "date" that the defense wants. Then when Lyon saw what Baez had filed, she hit the roof, and made his firm submitted a version that she liked better. Comparing the text of the first one, to the text of the second one, is quite telling. Baez did one. Lyon perhaps drafted the second one (and her siggy block is only on the second one).

You're probably right.. she was probably no doubt not a happy camper when she seen it..

[sydney]

http://www.wftv.com/news/20548234/detail.html

:( The defense also received 1,700 more pages of documents, eight more photo bucket files and FBI records. It's unclear when that evidence will be released to the media.

rats - double rats!

[Sun]

http://www.wftv.com/news/20548234/detail.html

:( The defense also received 1,700 more pages of documents, eight more photo bucket files and FBI records. It's unclear when that evidence will be released to the media.

I'm not getting my hopes up of seeing much in this. I suspect it may contain some of the "dry stuff" that LKB has been wanting... expert's qualifications, lab's certifications, etc.

[desmom]

Documents, Tattoo Pics Released In Anthony Case
http://www.wesh.com/news/20548370/detail.html

The state of Florida has released to her defense team some 2,000 new pages of evidence they plan to use against her.

WFTV reported 1,700. WESH reported 2,000. I want to see WESH's docs. :tonguewag:

ETA ~ Prosecutors release more than 2,000 pages to Casey Anthony defense
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-court-documents-082509,0,2721416.story

WFTV must be getting the short version. jmo

[happygert]

ooooo, that is good thinking on your part, about Cindy and George's PC and that timeframe.

I'm told that Casey would not be allowed to "touch" Baez's pc, but perhaps could view what was shown on the display. ...so I don't believe she's sending any emails through Baez, unless he's doing the transcribing. ....and IMO, Baez is not allowing Casey to visit or communicate with Casey, except in very limited form.

Exactly what better way to communicate.. that way baez is in control of whats being said and what he wants casey to read.. just a thought..

[Sun]

ooooh! i know! i know!

she did it to cheer herself up and remind herself that caylee would be home by her birthday - kc's *punishment* would be over, she would be reunited with her darling daughter and would have a new outlook on how precious that little girl really is!

Casey was plenty cheerful right before she got that tattoo. She'd just pulled off stealing Amy's $400 cash, I believe.

[Sun]

I wonder if a Jury will be left "hanging" about where Casey got all the money that she was spending after she left the Anthony home on June 16? Will they hear that Casey used Cindy's J.C.Penney CC? Will they hear that Amy had $400 cash go missing in Casey's presence? Will they hear that Casey stole Amy's checkbook and ran her checking account dry? Will a jury get to hear about Casey's financial situation during that timeframe? I just have no clue as to what can come in during the trial.

[desmom]

Rats indeed.

I am curious if this doc dump includes whatever the Anthonys did not want to turn over to the court a few weeks ago, what Brad delivered prior to the court time. The Anthonys were complaining they were trying to cooperate, but were having computer difficulties.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20547523/detail.html

looks like photobucket, aerial views and FBI stuff.

[onlykaty]

I so hope we get to read all the evidence turned over this week...Like TODAY!


I keep thinking about when Cindy made the 911 call and the operator asked to speak with Casey and her response was, "Why do they want to talk to me?". WTH, who else would they want to talk to?, she was the mother. I bet Cindy has kicked herself many times for making that call. Thank goodness she did and thats only positive thing I have to say for her.

[Scampi]

It is a very troubling thought that Casey was get this tattoo, especially since she did admit to the 911 operator, to LE/FBI, and to DCF that her daughter "went missing" in June.

I'm trying to think how the defense team could explain this tattoo to a jury. I'm getting a headache thinking. Nothing is coming to mind. It's going to take a bigger imagination that mine, I fear.


They have already alluded to it Sun, it's called "ugly coping" according to jose and I fully expect to see them roll a psychiatrist to the stand to explain to the jury how poor casey was in an altered state of some kind, due to the "trauma" she sustained when Caylee was "kidnapped."

This "mental" defense will be used to explain all the unexplainable things the OC did.

The 31 day delay
The tattoo
The best bod contest
Leaving the car at Amscot

[desmom]

I wonder if a Jury will be left "hanging" about where Casey got all the money that she was spending after she left the Anthony home on June 16? Will they hear that Casey used Cindy's J.C.Penney CC? Will they hear that Amy had $400 cash go missing in Casey's presence? Will they hear that Casey stole Amy's checkbook and ran her checking account dry? Will a jury get to hear about Casey's financial situation during that timeframe? I just have no clue as to what can come in during the trial.


Will they see the videos of Casey shopping for clothes while Caylee was missing?

I know she has not been found guilty of the check fraud, but can the prosecution show the videos during the murder trial IF they do not mention the clothing was purchased with a stolen check?

:shrug:

[sydney]

Casey was plenty cheerful right before she got that tattoo. She'd just pulled off stealing Amy's $400 cash, I believe.

has anyone discussed the "ugly coping" carp again? or has that fallen by the wayside?

now, now, sun - everyone reacts to stress in a different way. can you honestly tell me that when you are sad or stressed, a new pair of shoes won't do wonders for you?
:rolleyes:

[onlykaty]

I wonder if a Jury will be left "hanging" about where Casey got all the money that she was spending after she left the Anthony home on June 16? Will they hear that Casey used Cindy's J.C.Penney CC? Will they hear that Amy had $400 cash go missing in Casey's presence? Will they hear that Casey stole Amy's checkbook and ran her checking account dry? Will a jury get to hear about Casey's financial situation during that timeframe? I just have no clue as to what can come in during the trial.

I would presume that in proving there was no nanny, wouldn't prosc. be able to imply since Casey was lieing about having a job there would not be any money to even pay for a nanny?

[sydney]

(i didn't see you there, scamp! sorry)

[ish]

i was thinking about george blowing kisses with both hands and mouthing the words "i love you" to kc.

that struck me as a gesture an opera singer or theater actor would give to their *most adoring fans*. who says he directed toward kc? he was facing everyone in the courtroom, right? perhaps cindy was clapping softly in her head and he was thanking her for her rave reviews of his performance....

His grand gesture didn't even get an acknowledgement from Casey. She didn't so much as make eye contact with him. He and Cindy are pathetic, trying to demonstrate their love and support for this cold little snot nose. The colder she is to them, the more they try to get in her good graces. By the time of trial they will be so desperate for some recognition from her that they will be willing to say anything on the stand. My money says the day they are called to testify, Casey will be grinning ear to ear every time they look her way. Manipulation, her forte.

[sydney]

His grand gesture didn't even get an acknowledgement from Casey. She didn't so much as make eye contact with him. He and Cindy are pathetic, trying to demonstrate their love and support for this cold little snot nose. The colder she is to them, the more they try to get in her good graces. By the time of trial they will be so desperate for some recognition from her that they will be willing to say anything on the stand. My money says the day they are called to testify, Casey will be grinning ear to ear every time they look her way. Manipulation, her forte.

they are already willing to say anything on the stand - except the truth. my guess is kc's seen this show so many times, she's just bored with it.

[Sun]

has anyone discussed the "ugly coping" carp again? or has that fallen by the wayside?

now, now, sun - everyone reacts to stress in a different way. can you honestly tell me that when you are sad or stressed, a new pair of shoes won't do wonders for you?
:rolleyes:

Seems to me that most of Casey friends say that she acted her normal self. IMO, to me she appeared to be "celebrating." Well, Casey did appear to get upset when she heard that Lee was looking for her, and when she saw BSnow. And, Tony did tease her at times.

[sydney]

I would presume that in proving there was no nanny, wouldn't prosc. be able to imply since Casey was lieing about having a job there would not be any money to even pay for a nanny?

katy, i recall cindy saying that invisi-nanny loved watching caylee so much she prolly did it for free!

you tell me - here's this person, a nanny, paid to watch children. how on earth does she support herself if she does it for FREE?

not only that, this (ahem) person was young - you would think she had a social life or other things to attend to. seems like she was ALWAYS available to watch caylee, no matter how short the notice, let alone have kc and caylee "crash" at her apartment whenever the heck they felt like it.

[Sun]

I would presume that in proving there was no nanny, wouldn't prosc. be able to imply since Casey was lieing about having a job there would not be any money to even pay for a nanny?

oooo, I forget about the expense of the nanny! Good catch!

I'm going to say that there will be quite a number of battles before Judge Strickland, in regards to what can be admissible and what is not. I hope that we get to see some of this, and that it's not all done behind closed doors.

[sydney]

Seems to me that most of Casey friends say that she acted her normal self. IMO, to me she appeared to be "celebrating." Well, Casey did appear to get upset when she heard that Lee was looking for her, and when she saw BSnow. And, Tony did tease her at times.

weren't these friends of relatively short acquaintance? i don't believe she hung out with them for extended periods of time, what with having to *work* and all. so, if they hadn't known her for longer than, say, a few months, how would they really know what "normal" is? come to think of it, how would ANY of the a's know what "normal" is?

[Sun]

Will they see the videos of Casey shopping for clothes while Caylee was missing?

I know she has not been found guilty of the check fraud, but can the prosecution show the videos during the murder trial IF they do not mention the clothing was purchased with a stolen check?

:shrug:

I have no clue. Or if it really would have much impact on helping to prove that Casey was responsible for the death of Caylee. I think that the State will easily be able to prove to a Jury that Casey was not searching for Caylee, even without these videos.

[desmom]

A little o/t...

900 summoned for jury selection in Lemaricus Davidson trial
http://www.wate.com/global/story.asp?s=10985745
The judge said this case has garnered community attention like no other case and he's worried about finding an impartial jury for Davidson. He believes the selection process may take up to two weeks.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/47/47093.html
Knox County, TN Population, 2008 Estimate - 430,019

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/12/12095.html
Orange County, Florida Population, 2008 Estimate - 1,072,801

Interesting to see if Knox County with less than half the population of Orange County can come up with a jury.

[Scampi]

has anyone discussed the "ugly coping" carp again? or has that fallen by the wayside?

now, now, sun - everyone reacts to stress in a different way. can you honestly tell me that when you are sad or stressed, a new pair of shoes won't do wonders for you?
:rolleyes:

....and of course as everyone knows the first rule to follow when your daughter has been kidnapped, is to don a slutty dress and enter a hot body contest!!!!

Hiya Syd!! :seeya:

[onlykaty]

katy, i recall cindy saying that invisi-nanny loved watching caylee so much she prolly did it for free!

you tell me - here's this person, a nanny, paid to watch children. how on earth does she support herself if she does it for FREE?

not only that, this (ahem) person was young - you would think she had a social life or other things to attend to. seems like she was ALWAYS available to watch caylee, no matter how short the notice, let alone have kc and caylee "crash" at her apartment whenever the heck they felt like it.

At the very least I think these would be some of things the prosc. puts in their closing arguments. The word that comes to mind for me when a jury is given its final instructions from the judge is "reasonable". What reasonable thinking person would be able to justify her actions or excuses.

[Sun]

weren't these friends of relatively short acquaintance? i don't believe she hung out with them for extended periods of time, what with having to *work* and all. so, if they hadn't known her for longer than, say, a few months, how would they really know what "normal" is? come to think of it, how would ANY of the a's know what "normal" is?

TL and his friends were real new. AH, RM, and that group of friends knew Casey a bit longer. And then Annie, and the tattoo fellows perhaps knew Casey even longer than that. And, Casey was still in phone/txtmsg contact with a few of her old school friends. All really different groups.

What I find very odd, is that Cindy and George don't acknowledge knowing many of Casey's friends, even ones that go way back. Casey lived in their home all her life. Did they not see that as odd? That Casey's friends never came over to see Casey when Cindy or George were home. And, not just new friends.... but they didn't even meet Jesse and Casey until the birth (Casey told them Jesse was the father). Can I say,.... the Anthonys are either really, really odd people, or they are just plain ole lying through their teeth about everything.

[sydney]

At the very least I think these would be some of things the prosc. puts in their closing arguments. The word that comes to mind for me when a jury is given its final instructions from the judge is "reasonable". What reasonable thinking person would be able to justify her actions or excuses.

i think that's testimony they will elicit from the a's.

[Dells]

amazing how she could see thru kc's head, huh? i'm surprised cindy didn't say kc was sobbing when she saw cindy! kc always wanted to grow up to be cindy, cindy was her role model, they were best friends (all according to cindy, of course) so, if they were that close, why didn't kc "sob" when she "saw" cindy?

Bolding mine.....

Probably because Casey didn't actually "see" Cindy. She was doing her best to completely ignore her.:rolleyes:

[Sun]

A little o/t...

900 summoned for jury selection in Lemaricus Davidson trial
http://www.wate.com/global/story.asp?s=10985745
The judge said this case has garnered community attention like no other case and he's worried about finding an impartial jury for Davidson. He believes the selection process may take up to two weeks.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/47/47093.html
Knox County, TN Population, 2008 Estimate - 430,019

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/12/12095.html
Orange County, Florida Population, 2008 Estimate - 1,072,801

Interesting to see if Knox County with less than half the population of Orange County can come up with a jury.

Oh my. My ignorance is showing. I have no clue who this Davidson fellow is, and I'm just two States away from TN.

[sydney]

TL and his friends were real new. AH, RM, and that group of friends knew Casey a bit longer. And then Annie, and the tattoo fellows perhaps knew Casey even longer than that. And, Casey was still in phone/txtmsg contact with a few of her old school friends. All really different groups.

What I find very odd, is that Cindy and George don't acknowledge knowing many of Casey's friends, even ones that go way back. Casey lived in their home all her life. Did they not see that as odd? That Casey's friends never came over to see Casey when Cindy or George were home. And, not just new friends.... but they didn't even meet Jesse and Casey until the birth (Casey told them Jesse was the father). Can I say,.... the Anthonys are either really, really odd people, or they are just plain ole lying through their teeth about everything.

i think they took the stance that kc was over 18, had a child and was therefore an "adult" and they couldn't say too much. i know a few of those people, as well. too bad they didn't realize that being an adult is not just about calendar years.

[sydney]

dang - rats and double rats!

work calls.

see ya later

ta

[Dells]

I so hope we get to read all the evidence turned over this week...Like TODAY!


I keep thinking about when Cindy made the 911 call and the operator asked to speak with Casey and her response was, "Why do they want to talk to me?". WTH, who else would they want to talk to?, she was the mother. I bet Cindy has kicked herself many times for making that call. Thank goodness she did and thats only positive thing I have to say for her.

The only reason that Cindy made that call is because at the time she thought Casey had handed over or sold Caylee to someone else. It was her way of trying to force Casey to produce Caylee or to tell her where she was. If Cindy knew for a fact that Casey had murdered Caylee, I wonder if she would have made any of those 911 calls?:shrug:

[nana6]

The only reason that Cindy made that call is because at the time she thought Casey had handed over or sold Caylee to someone else. It was her way of trying to force Casey to produce Caylee or to tell her where she was. If Cindy knew for a fact that Casey had murdered Caylee, I wonder if she would have made any of those 911 calls?:shrug:

Hi Dells,imo no she neva eva would have call 911. She was doing a power play again with Casey but this time it backfired

[ish]

katy, i recall cindy saying that invisi-nanny loved watching caylee so much she prolly did it for free!

you tell me - here's this person, a nanny, paid to watch children. how on earth does she support herself if she does it for FREE?

not only that, this (ahem) person was young - you would think she had a social life or other things to attend to. seems like she was ALWAYS available to watch caylee, no matter how short the notice, let alone have kc and caylee "crash" at her apartment whenever the heck they felt like it.

Cindy/Casey said Zenaida was wealthy, where the $ come from who knows. Casey also said Zenaida stepfather bought her the Silver Ford Focus. Which makes me wonder, what car did Zenaida kidnap Caylee from JPB in? If The silver Ford was purchased to replace the one in the accident that happened in Tampa while Caylee was missing then what was she driving in June when Casey dropped Caylee off at Sawgrass? Of course once we get to this scenario it becomes clear that either everything that CIndy told LE that Casey had been telling her for the previous 30 days was a lie, cause how could Zanny kidnap Caylee June 16th and yet be babysitting her and driving around Tampa WITH CASEY, going to the Hard Rock Cafe in the 30 days since the "kidnapping". The other possibility is that CINDY made up almost all the stuff she told LE, fabricated it out of the lies and BS Casey had been telling her over the past years. We have never heard Casey confirm (or deny) or even refer to any of the things Cindy mentioned other than some of the names. SHe references Jeff and his "son" as a connection to Zanny but not as a boyfriend/fiance of recent weeks as Cindy portrays him. Casey basically tells LE a version of the truth, she was hanging around with TonE and "looking" for Zanny during that time.

[frances1]

TL and his friends were real new. AH, RM, and that group of friends knew Casey a bit longer. And then Annie, and the tattoo fellows perhaps knew Casey even longer than that. And, Casey was still in phone/txtmsg contact with a few of her old school friends. All really different groups.

What I find very odd, is that Cindy and George don't acknowledge knowing many of Casey's friends, even ones that go way back. Casey lived in their home all her life. Did they not see that as odd? That Casey's friends never came over to see Casey when Cindy or George were home. And, not just new friends.... but they didn't even meet Jesse and Casey until the birth (Casey told them Jesse was the father). Can I say,.... the Anthonys are either really, really odd people, or they are just plain ole lying through their teeth about everything.


Bolding by me. IMO, they are both.......really odd and lying.

[onlykaty]

The only reason that Cindy made that call is because at the time she thought Casey had handed over or sold Caylee to someone else. It was her way of trying to force Casey to produce Caylee or to tell her where she was. If Cindy knew for a fact that Casey had murdered Caylee, I wonder if she would have made any of those 911 calls?:shrug:

Its a sad thing to say but I honestly don't think Cindy would have made the call if she had any idea at that time that Caylee wad dead. I know some think G and C had something to do with helping Casey get rid of Caylee's body or in some other capacity. I don't beleive that, I think they are guilty of covering for Casey after it dawned on them she more than likely was the killer. I know that sounds harsh to say it that way but to me its just the cold hard truth of it.

jmo

[Holden]

The only reason that Cindy made that call is because at the time she thought Casey had handed over or sold Caylee to someone else. It was her way of trying to force Casey to produce Caylee or to tell her where she was. If Cindy knew for a fact that Casey had murdered Caylee, I wonder if she would have made any of those 911 calls?:shrug:

:thumbup: I agree Dells. CA thought casey had given - sold - that baby to someone and her only thought was to get Caylee back. Had she know casey had killed Caylee, I do not think she would have called 911. Of course she would have had to do something, but a frantic, terrified 911 call wouldn't have have been it. She prob would have rationalized whatever story casey fed her and then bent it, spun it, made it a new easy-to-swallow tale the public and LE would accept. She would never have exposed her 'perfect' family to the scrutiny it has now received. She would have done whatever it takes to take the heat off casey - and herself.

[onlykaty]

i think that's testimony they will elicit from the a's.

I just now caught this post, yes I beleive your right!!

[Bala]

Bolding mine.....

Probably because Casey didn't actually "see" Cindy. She was doing her best to completely ignore her.:rolleyes:

C&G did everything but jump up and down and wave their arms in the air and still Casey ignored them even after G perjured himself to try and protect her.

[Sun]

:thumbup: I agree Dells. CA thought casey had given - sold - that baby to someone and her only thought was to get Caylee back. Had she know casey had killed Caylee, I do not think she would have called 911. Of course she would have had to do something, but a frantic, terrified 911 call wouldn't have have been it. She prob would have rationalized whatever story casey fed her and then bent it, spun it, made it a new easy-to-swallow tale the public and LE would accept. She would never have exposed her 'perfect' family to the scrutiny it has now received. She would have done whatever it takes to take the heat off casey - and herself.

There is some evidence that points to Cindy not knowing, IMO. However, I'm not yet completely convinced that at the time Cindy made those 911 calls, that she didn't already know that Caylee was dead. We know that Cindy lies. Who is to say that she doesn't "act" also? IMO Cindy's got some serious relationship/mental issues of her very own. Who knows, the defense may try to say that Cindy is "framing" Casey. ??

[sydney]

SHe references Jeff and his "son" as a connection to Zanny but not as a boyfriend/fiance of recent weeks as Cindy portrays him.

(snipped by me)

i was astounded that cindy apparently bought the story "we're trying to work it out to be a family" and that's why kc wasn't coming home. yeah, reestablish contact with a guy you haven't seen for a while and did not date for that long (did they date AT ALL?) and be welcomed into the family after a few days and talk about moving in together. unless they were used to kc bouncing from guy to guy with little caylee in tow, why did they not question this?

if cindy ran with this lie of kc's she apparently didn't stop to see how it reflected on her daughter's morals, OR kc's upbringing, kwim?

iirc, she also said she TALKED to jeff AND juliet - like she TALKED to kc's old bosses at colorvision or universal or whatever the heck it was called. did she suffer from auditory hallucinations? how far will they go to try and prove kc innocent? (ok, to the ends of the earth - that was a rhetorical question). if they would take a step back, they will see that their desperation is showing, big-time.

[sydney]

I just now caught this post, yes I beleive your right!!

the a's are caught between a rock and a hard place, in my opinion. they will be called to testify about invisi-nanny - they gave tv appearances and depos in the civil trial saying they believed she was a real person and i'll bet they maintained that in the criminal depos as well.

so, if they are asked about invisi-nanny on the stand and deny her existence, i'm sure they'll be impeached by their deposition testimony. it will make it look TRIPLE bad for their daughter.

yep - can't wait for it.

[sydney]

C&G did everything but jump up and down and wave their arms in the air and still Casey ignored them even after G perjured himself to try and protect her.

now, bala. i didn't hear perjury per se. did i hear him tell the truth? no. did i hear him offer any truthful information? no. did i hear him skirt the issue? yes.

ergo, he didn't perjure himself. see how that works? :tonguewag:

[breezie]

the a's are caught between a rock and a hard place, in my opinion. they will be called to testify about invisi-nanny - they gave tv appearances and depos in the civil trial saying they believed she was a real person and i'll bet they maintained that in the criminal depos as well.

so, if they are asked about invisi-nanny on the stand and deny her existence, i'm sure they'll be impeached by their deposition testimony. it will make it look TRIPLE bad for their daughter.

yep - can't wait for it.

yep. of their own making. can't wait to watch them squirm.

[sydney]

There is some evidence that points to Cindy not knowing, IMO. However, I'm not yet completely convinced that at the time Cindy made those 911 calls, that she didn't already know that Caylee was dead. We know that Cindy lies. Who is to say that she doesn't "act" also? IMO Cindy's got some serious relationship/mental issues of her very own. Who knows, the defense may try to say that Cindy is "framing" Casey. ??

i would bet money on it. some of the problems that i see are: kc would have trumpeted to the MOON if this were true - loyalty? pffft! what the hey is that? too bad the defense was so slow in setting up the story. as an aside, i loved how cindy kept saying the "current babysitter" could be zanny - well, d'oh - didn't cindy say she and george babysat caylee a LOT?!

but i digress. secondly, as far as i know there is no evidence linking cindy to the crime. le did such a thorough job of investigating, if there HAD been evidence, they would have found it.

[sydney]

yep. of their own making. can't wait to watch them squirm.

hey, breezie! the best part will be when the judge *spanks* them for trying to tell him how to run his courtroom and what the law is!

i'll bet by the time this goes to trial, cindy will have her law degree and MAY want to be THIRD CHAIR for kc!

[Bala]

now, bala. i didn't hear perjury per se. did i hear him tell the truth? no. did i hear him offer any truthful information? no. did i hear him skirt the issue? yes.

ergo, he didn't perjure himself. see how that works? :tonguewag:
When did George hire Padilla for security? He didn't remember who bailed Casey out of jail SURE.

[cuddlyrunner]

has anyone discussed the "ugly coping" carp again? or has that fallen by the wayside?

now, now, sun - everyone reacts to stress in a different way. can you honestly tell me that when you are sad or stressed, a new pair of shoes won't do wonders for you?
:rolleyes:


Yes , but I pay for them out of my bank account lol

[breezie]

Yes , but I pay for them out of my bank account lol


well then gee, Cuddly...you're just coping... not ugly coping. See how that works? :wink:

[onlykaty]

the a's are caught between a rock and a hard place, in my opinion. they will be called to testify about invisi-nanny - they gave tv appearances and depos in the civil trial saying they believed she was a real person and i'll bet they maintained that in the criminal depos as well.

so, if they are asked about invisi-nanny on the stand and deny her existence, i'm sure they'll be impeached by their deposition testimony. it will make it look TRIPLE bad for their daughter.

yep - can't wait for it.

Oh, me either. I don't like saying this but in the back of my mind with AL's being on the case I wonder at times, when all lthe evidence is turned over by the DA's office if there might not be a trial. Maybe a last minute plea?

[breezie]

Oh, me either. I don't like saying this but in the back of my mind with AL's being on the case I wonder at times, when all lthe evidence is turned over by the DA's office if there might not be a trial. Maybe a last minute plea?

Casey probably wants the drama of a trial. I can't see her taking a plea. I doubt the DA would offer anything but LWOP for a plea. What's to gain, really?

[sydney]

When did George hire Padilla for security? He didn't remember who bailed Casey out of jail SURE.

oopsie - missed that one - but it technically, wasn't a lie - he just said he can't remember which, in other words, is saying "i will not tell you."

funny how they have amnesia for certain things, isn't it?:tongue:

[breezie]

oopsie - missed that one - but it technically, wasn't a lie - he just said he can't remember which, in other words, is saying "i will not tell you."

funny how they have amnesia for certain things, isn't it?:tongue:


yeah, but he can describe Caylee's entire appearance from a month ago. You would think the slug would pay attention to who is buying his daughter's way out of jail. The jury will HATE his dodging/weaving ways.

[court~critic1®]

hey, breezie! the best part will be when the judge *spanks* them for trying to tell him how to run his courtroom and what the law is!

i'll bet by the time this goes to trial, cindy will have her law degree and MAY want to be THIRD CHAIR for kc!



George has already shown this judge that he ,george, runs the court. Friday, when george said it was a irevelant question the judge did not "spank" him. I expect this to continue. The judge should have taken back his court then and there, he didn't. Shows to me this judge has no backbone. What a shame. I do so hope I am proven wrong.

Nah, cinny will want to be 1st.chair. lol

[sydney]

Oh, me either. I don't like saying this but in the back of my mind with AL's being on the case I wonder at times, when all lthe evidence is turned over by the DA's office if there might not be a trial. Maybe a last minute plea?

nah. the a's don't want to damage the perfect family image and total innocence they've established to date.

[sydney]

yeah, but he can describe Caylee's entire appearance from a month ago. You would think the slug would pay attention to who is buying his daughter's way out of jail. The jury will HATE his dodging/weaving ways.

totally agree! i wonder what happened to imprint what caylee was wearing so indelibly in his brain! usually, something traumatic occurring would cause you to remember details of a specific instance, kwim? perhaps kc went storming out of the house, screaming her outrage at cindy and him and threatening to never let them see caylee again (and, because she did that in the past, they all thought she was, of course, joking)

[101Spots]

oopsie - missed that one - but it technically, wasn't a lie - he just said he can't remember which, in other words, is saying "i will not tell you."

funny how they have amnesia for certain things, isn't it?:tongue:

It's called "selective stupidity."

George has it bad.

[sydney]

George has already shown this judge that he ,george, runs the court. Friday, when george said it was a irevelant question the judge did not "spank" him. I expect this to continue. The judge should have taken back his court then and there, he didn't. Shows to me this judge has no backbone. What a shame. I do so hope I am proven wrong.

Nah, cinny will want to be 1st.chair. lol

i think he'll be spanked plenty. everyone has a level of tolerance and, when it's exceeded, they may be less polite than normal.

i say - get out the paddle!

[breezie]

totally agree! i wonder what happened to imprint what caylee was wearing so indelibly in his brain! usually, something traumatic occurring would cause you to remember details of a specific instance, kwim? perhaps kc went storming out of the house, screaming her outrage at cindy and him and threatening to never let them see caylee again (and, because she did that in the past, they all thought she was, of course, joking)


personally, I don't think he saw her. I think he made the whole thing up. It doesn't jive with what Casey said to LE, not that that was the truth either.

[sydney]

It's called "selective stupidity."

George has it bad.

hi, spots! i think you can remove the "selective".....

[breezie]

George has already shown this judge that he ,george, runs the court. Friday, when george said it was a irevelant question the judge did not "spank" him. I expect this to continue. The judge should have taken back his court then and there, he didn't. Shows to me this judge has no backbone. What a shame. I do so hope I am proven wrong.

Nah, cinny will want to be 1st.chair. lol

I'm hoping he'll be different in front of a jury. This is just pre-trial stuff.

[sydney]

personally, I don't think he saw her. I think he made the whole thing up. It doesn't jive with what Casey said to LE, not that that was the truth either.

breezie, didn't he describe the shirt that caylee was found in? (jeez - i gotta bone up on some of this stuff - ol' brain is getting rusty)

[onlykaty]

nah. the a's don't want to damage the perfect family image and total innocence they've established to date.


Your probably right. I think the A's probably will still deny deny deny even after Casey is found guilty.

They will be crying and cursing the state of FL. on every tv program that will have them.

[sydney]

Your probably right. I think the A's probably will still deny deny deny even after Casey is found guilty.

They will be crying and cursing the state of FL. on every tv program that will have them.

i personally wouldn't give a fig what they said after the guilty verdict.

[sydney]

I'm hoping he'll be different in front of a jury. This is just pre-trial stuff.

his demeanor may be different, but the lies he spews won't change.

[ish]

(snipped by me)

i was astounded that cindy apparently bought the story "we're trying to work it out to be a family" and that's why kc wasn't coming home. yeah, reestablish contact with a guy you haven't seen for a while and did not date for that long (did they date AT ALL?) and be welcomed into the family after a few days and talk about moving in together. unless they were used to kc bouncing from guy to guy with little caylee in tow, why did they not question this?

if cindy ran with this lie of kc's she apparently didn't stop to see how it reflected on her daughter's morals, OR kc's upbringing, kwim?

iirc, she also said she TALKED to jeff AND juliet - like she TALKED to kc's old bosses at colorvision or universal or whatever the heck it was called. did she suffer from auditory hallucinations? how far will they go to try and prove kc innocent? (ok, to the ends of the earth - that was a rhetorical question). if they would take a step back, they will see that their desperation is showing, big-time.

I went back and re-read CIndy's coworker's statement, if I'm reading correctly the whole business with Jeff and Casey happened way prior to Caylee's disappearance. Debra Bennett (co worker) seems to be saying it was the summer of 07, not during the 30 days that Caylee was missing. CIndy also seemed to be aware in advance of the itinerary of the "vacation" Hard Rock Cafe and Universal Studios with Zany, Casey and another one or two girls plus Caylee and Annabelle, the only surprise was the auto accident in Tampa and then after that Casey re-hooked up with Jeff (who had moved to the Carolina's, but also had a home in Jacksonville) Going from Tampa to Jacksonville to renew their romance and see if they could make it as a couple, then the whole Jeff's mom is getting married, my car is in the shop crap, which went right til Monday July 14 and then everything exploded.
Yeah, looks more and more to me that Cindy might be able to weave a tale bigger than anything Casey ever thought of. The question is why..could it be just so that she didn't look like an azz for knowing what the heck her daughter was doing? :huh:

[breezie]

his demeanor may be different, but the lies he spews won't change.

Sorry..I meant the Judge. Over his courtroom.

[onlykaty]

i personally wouldn't give a fig what they said after the guilty verdict.

Me either, in fact I have no desire to watch them on anything now unless its in the court room.

[GossipGirl]

As I wait for this trial to start, I always pop over to the links to read them and see what's been happening. I must say you all have done a remarkable job in compilation here, it's so easy to read and has been kept up with thoroughly.
Thank you, on behalf of all of us who don't keep up with the cases until nearer to the trial date.
Just wanted you all to take a bow.

GG
the old Garden Girl

[sydney]

Sorry..I meant the Judge. Over his courtroom.

gotcha! :tonguewag:

[ish]

When did George hire Padilla for security? He didn't remember who bailed Casey out of jail SURE.

GMAB, Padilla was all over the TV, and we know the Anthonys were glued to NG,telling the audience he, good old Lenny, put up the bond, and that he was staying in town to make sure his "investment" was safe.

We all mocked him for thinking Casey was gonna tell him where Caylee was. No way George didn't know, that is a straight out lie.

[sydney]

GMAB, Padilla was all over the TV, and we know the Anthonys were glued to NG,telling the audience he, good old Lenny, put up the bond, and that he was staying in town to make sure his "investment" was safe.

We all mocked him for thinking Casey was gonna tell him where Caylee was. No way George didn't know, that is a straight out lie.

george seems to have been (and still is) living in a fog most of the time. don't know if that's just for "show" or if it's true....perhaps he thinks that by saying "i don't remember" it'll stop the prosecutor from asking any more questions. oh, yeah - that'll work!

[sydney]

As I wait for this trial to start, I always pop over to the links to read them and see what's been happening. I must say you all have done a remarkable job in compilation here, it's so easy to read and has been kept up with thoroughly.
Thank you, on behalf of all of us who don't keep up with the cases until nearer to the trial date.
Just wanted you all to take a bow.

GG
the old Garden Girl

hello, gg! i cannot take a bow as i don't know how to link or do research - we have great posters who are experts at that, as you know.

i just like to talk.

[martha]

GMAB, Padilla was all over the TV, and we know the Anthonys were glued to NG,telling the audience he, good old Lenny, put up the bond, and that he was staying in town to make sure his "investment" was safe.

We all mocked him for thinking Casey was gonna tell him where Caylee was. No way George didn't know, that is a straight out lie.You or so right. they told lp that if he got casey out she would tell them where to find them and then then run lp of from the a;s house. LP really believed casey would talk to him that is the reason he bailed her out.jmho

[ish]

george seems to have been (and still is) living in a fog most of the time. don't know if that's just for "show" or if it's true....perhaps he thinks that by saying "i don't remember" it'll stop the prosecutor from asking any more questions. oh, yeah - that'll work!

Yes and when the "fog" doesn't work he get combative and belligerent. Someone should tell him it's much less stressful to just tell the truth. If Casey is innocent lying for her isn't helping. Especially when you can't even lie believably.

[bchand]

As I wait for this trial to start, I always pop over to the links to read them and see what's been happening. I must say you all have done a remarkable job in compilation here, it's so easy to read and has been kept up with thoroughly.
Thank you, on behalf of all of us who don't keep up with the cases until nearer to the trial date.
Just wanted you all to take a bow.

GG
the old Garden Girl



I agree GG, our posters do a great job on that links thread. I just noticed the last sentence on one of them that says:

Also Tuesday, attorney Jose Baez is now asking for a trial date to be set on Casey Anthony's check fraud trial.

That's news to me. Didn't he just argue about this on Friday? I thought the defense wanted it put off?

[GossipGirl]

I read in the links that they all are testifying for the State. How hard that must be I really can't imagine.
Do you all think she's guilty? What do you think happened?

Getting a tattoo like that the week she was missing is kind of creepy. To me anyway.
GG

[onlykaty]

As I wait for this trial to start, I always pop over to the links to read them and see what's been happening. I must say you all have done a remarkable job in compilation here, it's so easy to read and has been kept up with thoroughly.
Thank you, on behalf of all of us who don't keep up with the cases until nearer to the trial date.
Just wanted you all to take a bow.

GG
the old Garden Girl

ITA, without desmom and so many informative posters here, I would not be nearly as informed on all the updated happenings.

This board is "awesome" and its the posters here that make it so.

God Bless you all :thumbsup:

Just want to add thanks to the people with the legal education to answer so many of our questions..:)

[101Spots]

I agree GG, our posters do a great job on that links thread. I just noticed the last sentence on one of them that says:

Also Tuesday, attorney Jose Baez is now asking for a trial date to be set on Casey Anthony's check fraud trial.

That's news to me. Didn't he just argue about this on Friday? I thought the defense wanted it put off?

They're suggesting a date, all right. One in November of 2010 - *after* the murder trial.

[GossipGirl]

I agree GG, our posters do a great job on that links thread. I just noticed the last sentence on one of them that says:

Also Tuesday, attorney Jose Baez is now asking for a trial date to be set on Casey Anthony's check fraud trial.

That's news to me. Didn't he just argue about this on Friday? I thought the defense wanted it put off?

I'm telling you, these people don't miss a trick.
I don't know a thing about it, was that the check of the grandmother's? I presume it cannot be in the murder trial also, so what's the point?
GG

[bchand]

They're suggesting a date, all right. One in November of 2010 - *after* the murder trial.

Ah, I see that now on the other link:

The defense requests the trial be held in November of next year – after her murder trial is complete. The judge has not ruled on the issue.


Why do they do this when they just argued the point in court on Friday? If they are sooooo busy, why duplicate things?

[court~critic1®]

i think he'll be spanked plenty. everyone has a level of tolerance and, when it's exceeded, they may be less polite than normal.

i say - get out the paddle!


If I live that long I will be glad to provide the paddle. :w00t:

[alisa31235]

Yes and when the "fog" doesn't work he get combative and belligerent. Someone should tell him it's much less stressful to just tell the truth. If Casey is innocent lying for her isn't helping. Especially when you can't even lie believably.

Hello all i mostly lurk but have to pop in and say something every now and then lol WHY if casey is inoscent are the defense GA CA and the middle one not still searching for the REAL killer i just don`t get it i mean if they are going to play the part at least ACT like you are doing something moo

[onlykaty]

Ah, I see that now on the other link:

The defense requests the trial be held in November of next year – after her murder trial is complete. The judge has not ruled on the issue.


Why do they do this when they just argued the point in court on Friday? If they are sooooo busy, why duplicate things?

A revised request was put in for it to be held in October now. This time with AL's name on the request..:rolleyes:

[GIGI4256]

They're suggesting a date, all right. One in November of 2010 - *after* the murder trial.

So defense is okay with Casey staying in jail for another 16 months, even though she is innocent? Why isn't Casey demanding a trial sooner so that she can get out of jail? Poor thing is missing the summer fun this year and will miss it next year as well and the next.....

[ish]

So defense is okay with Casey staying in jail for another 16 months, even though she is innocent? Why isn't Casey demanding a trial sooner so that she can get out of jail? Poor thing is missing the summer fun this year and will miss it next year as well and the next.....

Of course, all innocent people prefer to sit in jail for months or years at a time, just so that they can later, after failing to testify at their trial , complain that negative press and an unfair legal system resulted in their conviction.

I know if I were innocent, that's what I would do. NOT!!!

[seeing_eye]

i think they took the stance that kc was over 18, had a child and was therefore an "adult" and they couldn't say too much. i know a few of those people, as well. too bad they didn't realize that being an adult is not just about calendar years.

Casey may have been legally an adult, but the fact that she lived under her parents' roof and was totally supported by them gave her parents every right to say a lot!!

[101Spots]

Ah, I see that now on the other link:

The defense requests the trial be held in November of next year – after her murder trial is complete. The judge has not ruled on the issue.


Why do they do this when they just argued the point in court on Friday? If they are sooooo busy, why duplicate things?

SA wants the trial now.

Jose wants it after the murder trial, so that is what he argued. This is a slap in the face answer to the SA's request for a *now* trial. "Yeah, we'll set a date all right - just not any time soon."

What gets me is that they are saying the murder trial is set for June, 2010. Not true. They have a hearing late January 2010 to discuss the progress on the case, and to ~maybe~ set a date at that time, perhaps June 2010. Wanna bet that Jose wants to delay the murder trial to October 2010, then argue that he can't possibly do the check fraud trial until 2011?

[Sun]

I agree GG, our posters do a great job on that links thread. I just noticed the last sentence on one of them that says:

Also Tuesday, attorney Jose Baez is now asking for a trial date to be set on Casey Anthony's check fraud trial.

That's news to me. Didn't he just argue about this on Friday? I thought the defense wanted it put off?

Check out the year that he asked for.

[Sun]

SA wants the trial now.

Jose wants it after the murder trial, so that is what he argued. This is a slap in the face answer to the SA's request for a *now* trial. "Yeah, we'll set a date all right - just not any time soon."

What gets me is that they are saying the murder trial is set for June, 2010. Not true. They have a hearing late January 2010 to discuss the progress on the case, and to ~maybe~ set a date at that time, perhaps June 2010. Wanna bet that Jose wants to delay the murder trial to October 2010, then argue that he can't possibly do the check fraud trial until 2011?

I think that is exactly why that latest supplement was filed.... Baez seems to be thinking that a trial will happen in Jun 2010, and Lyon is perhaps going to drag this out much longer than that. ...IMO, those two are not seeing eye-to-eye on issues already. :tonguewag:

[Dells]

I think I smell a smoking gun...

What do you see?

[onlykaty]

lets hope we hear some news later today or at least tomorrow..fingers crossed

Will check back in later, my hubs got me a new treadmill for my birthday so I need to use it so I can give him a :thumbsup: when he gets in from work...hehe.

[101Spots]

lets hope we hear some news later today or at least tomorrow..fingers crossed

Will check back in later, my hubs got me a new treadmill for my birthday so I need to use it so I can give him a :thumbsup: when he gets in from work...hehe.

Treadmills violate the FLB credo. Keep that in mind. Do you have a dog that could run up a few miles for you - to keep up appearances, you know?
:wink:

[happygert]

I guess no rulings yet.. dang..hope it's soon..

[Sun]

I think I smell a smoking gun...

Well, tell us what it could be!!

Can you tell that I may just be starting to get impatient with no rulings yet from Judge SS?

[Scampi]

Just think the thumb, index and middle finger will be going on with their lives and NOT visiting the ring finger in jail for an entire year. Bet at some point the OC has a royal hizzy fit over that.

Especially if george and cindy begin to make the rounds shilling their "foundation.'

[Postergeist]

http://www.j2sc.com/jiml.htm

Jim Lichtenstein

This is the bald guy who sits next to Cindy whenever they go to court.

One of the things that he does is to coach people on how to act in front of the camera...bet he's never had a harder study then Cindy...:biggrin::biggrin:

Just getting on and reading thru- thanks Rapunzel for posting this link!

from the link-

Seriously, do you want the world to know that you've had Media Training? Or... would you like everyone to think that you're just naturally poised, calm, in-control and that you speak in perfect sound bites?



omg- he's doing a p- poor job then with both G & C- as there is zero

poise, zero calm and zero in-control!

I hope any potential future clients realize that if he's connected to these 2, they better run for the hills and get as far away from JL as they can!

imo

(btw- I use photobucket, & have linked to my own pics several times over the years here, I hope no one got any trojans from that- my links are still in a thread over on the Animal forum- and to gert- I'm back from voting!)

[cassidy]

I think I smell a smoking gun...

What's that gun smell...or look like?

[ruth66]

http://www.j2sc.com/jiml.htm

Jim Lichtenstein

This is the bald guy who sits next to Cindy whenever they go to court.

One of the things that he does is to coach people on how to act in front of the camera...bet he's never had a harder study then Cindy...:biggrin::biggrin:

Thanks for the link Rapunzel, that explains why the Today show is the only show CA, GA and Conway ever show up on lately. The today show seems to interview them quite often and with kid gloves I might add.

JMO

[happygert]

Hello all i mostly lurk but have to pop in and say something every now and then lol WHY if casey is inoscent are the defense GA CA and the middle one not still searching for the REAL killer i just don`t get it i mean if they are going to play the part at least ACT like you are doing something moo

Hello,
well now, you have to remember george knew who had Caylee.. he knew of nine times they moved her.. and he did nothing about it.. he didn't go get her, he didnt call FBI or LE and let the PI's just watch as they moved her..:rolleyes: and cindy ,george nor lee even searched for Caylee in the first place.. oh wait that's not completely true they searched their own back yard.. george drove around a billboard and they had a number for anyone to call if they seen Caylee on their cars, of course the number was a NON WORKING one... that was there extent of searching for Caylee. They stold $1500 dollars worth of supplies that were donated to TES. They sold tee-shirts, bracelets and begged for donations ...

[sydney]

Casey may have been legally an adult, but the fact that she lived under her parents' roof and was totally supported by them gave her parents every right to say a lot!!

i couldn't agree more! adults don't sponge off of others (even family members), they show responsibility in ALL their actions - the a's did a great disservice to caylee by letting kc do basically what she wanted.

i still can't for the life of me figure out why kc didn't have an abortion (no offense to you out there who are anti-). she could have done it and no one would have been any the wiser. or she could have been visiting "family" and placed caylee for adoption. again, no one would have been the wiser.

what point was there to bring a baby into this world when you weren't ready, couldn't care less and had no plans other than picking the next guy you wanted to *date*? unless, of course, it was to further the image of the "perfect" family.

[Sun]

8/24/2009 A CORRESPONDENCE FILED (FAXED) FROM STEVEN PERRY SR

ok, who is this person? Who faxed?

[Jeepers]

Hello,
well now, you have to remember george knew who had Caylee.. he knew of nine times they moved her.. and he did nothing about it.. he didn't go get her, he didnt call FBI or LE and let the PI's just watch as they moved her..:rolleyes: and cindy ,george nor lee even searched for Caylee in the first place.. oh wait that's not completely true they searched their own back yard.. george drove around a billboard and they had a number for anyone to call if they seen Caylee on their cars, of course the number was a NON WORKING one... that was there extent of searching for Caylee. They stold $1500 dollars worth of supplies that were donated to TES. They sold tee-shirts, bracelets and begged for donations ...

Don't forget all the red flags Cindy ran up the pole for LE.
I don't believe Caylee was ever moved once KC put her into the woods but it sure sends up a red flag when they talk about Caylee being put there after KC was in jail and George saying Caylee had been moved 9 times. Hoover and Dominic with their video search of the area. Somehow I can't get past the A's not knowing Caylee was there. I just think they knew from the early start of this where Caylee was. They just never looked for her or for the real kidnapper/killer. jmo

[sydney]

lets hope we hear some news later today or at least tomorrow..fingers crossed

Will check back in later, my hubs got me a new treadmill for my birthday so I need to use it so I can give him a :thumbsup: when he gets in from work...hehe.

could you just mist your face lightly before he came in the door and breathe a little heavier?

[sydney]

What's that gun smell...or look like?

a dead squirrel?

[sydney]

Yes and when the "fog" doesn't work he get combative and belligerent. Someone should tell him it's much less stressful to just tell the truth. If Casey is innocent lying for her isn't helping. Especially when you can't even lie believably.

ish, i think he confuses combatitive and belligerent with "manly". i remember cindy telling le that they were going to go up to jesse's apartment and listen for caylee. when cindy asked george what he was gonna do if he heard caylee george said he'd call the police. she said NO - NO grandfather would call the police, they would break the door down.

(she sounds like she has gender issues)

[Postergeist]

Casey Defense Gets Tattoo Photo, 1,700 Pages
http://www.wftv.com/news/20548234/detail.html



<snipped> thanks desmom-

is it just me, or did they put up a black bar to cover Ms. Anthony's cleavage in her shopping video as she's signing the checks?

:laugh:

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/20548470/index.html

[sydney]

It sounds like she thinks George is a wus?:confused:

yeah. she bad-mouthed him plenty in her discussions with le. i'm amazed that the tried to "work things out".

[sydney]

<snipped> thanks desmom-

is it just me, or did they put up a black bar to cover Ms. Anthony's cleavage in her shopping video as she's signing the checks?

:laugh:

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/20548470/index.html

that's just a little "t" underneath her shirt. lord knows, she would NEVER expose "too much" while out in public!:tonguewag:

[imc_e]

I'm interested in the new fingerprint evidence released!

:sneaky:

[Sun]

I'm interested in the new fingerprint evidence released!

:sneaky:

I'm thinking that it may only be "procedures manuals" and that sort of documentation. The boring stuff. The media sure would have been singing if there was more interesting stuff. So far, from the media, they tell us that there is a pic of the tattoo.

[Sun]

Will Casey be upset that the public is going to be shown a photo of her tattoo? Will she be proud of it, and want everyone to see it, or could she be angry at what she feels is a violation of her privacy?

Will we see an emergency motion from the defense, trying to prevent the public from seeing this photo?

[Postergeist]

that's just a little "t" underneath her shirt. lord knows, she would NEVER expose "too much" while out in public!:tonguewag:

alrighty then- it sure looked like it was superimposed on top of the film.

I've been having 'net connection probs, plus my hub insists that he needs to eat, & can't do it himself.

I'll bbl~

c'ya!

[bchand]

Don't forget all the red flags Cindy ran up the pole for LE.
I don't believe Caylee was ever moved once KC put her into the woods but it sure sends up a red flag when they talk about Caylee being put there after KC was in jail and George saying Caylee had been moved 9 times. Hoover and Dominic with their video search of the area. Somehow I can't get past the A's not knowing Caylee was there. I just think they knew from the early start of this where Caylee was. They just never looked for her or for the real kidnapper/killer. jmo

Remember the interview where Cindy said "we don't believe she's in the woods, errrr out there."

[happygert]

Don't forget all the red flags Cindy ran up the pole for LE.
I don't believe Caylee was ever moved once KC put her into the woods but it sure sends up a red flag when they talk about Caylee being put there after KC was in jail and George saying Caylee had been moved 9 times. Hoover and Dominic with their video search of the area. Somehow I can't get past the A's not knowing Caylee was there. I just think they knew from the early start of this where Caylee was. They just never looked for her or for the real kidnapper/killer. jmo

Youre right Caylee wasnt moved 9 times thats their lie.. OK going to do something here.. bare with me..MO.. Caylee was mudered in house,casey bedroom .. moved from house, to gargage, from garage to casey's trunk, from trunk, to playhouse, from playhouse, to sand box, from sand box to pool area from pool area back to garage , from garage back to trunk, from trunk to woods,.. THERE'S 9 TIMES !

ITA they knew exacty where Caylee was..

george said Caylee was moved 8 or 9 times IIRC..

[sydney]

Will Casey be upset that the public is going to be shown a photo of her tattoo? Will she be proud of it, and want everyone to see it, or could she be angry at what she feels is a violation of her privacy?

Will we see an emergency motion from the defense, trying to prevent the public from seeing this photo?

it's on her shoulder, right? easily viewed if she wore tanks, a bathing suit, that kind of thing. nope - don't see how she can say it's a violation of her privacy.

now, if it was somewhere ELSE on her body - that may be anoter story. everyone knows she got it - the tat artist even said he did it, right?

but you're prolly right. i can see the defense filing a motion to suppress.

[Dells]

I guess no rulings yet.. dang..hope it's soon..

I don't think we will hear anything today as it is already so late in the afternoon. Perhaps tomorrow we will hear something? I guess this means he is taking his time so as to make the right rulings....

[sydney]

Youre right Caylee wasnt moved 9 times thats their lie.. OK going to do something here.. bare with me..MO.. Caylee was mudered in house,casey bedroom .. moved from house, to gargage, from garage to casey's trunk, from trunk, to playhouse, from playhouse, to sand box, from sand box to pool area from pool area back to garage , from garage back to trunk, from trunk to woods,.. THERE'S 9 TIMES !

ITA they knew exacty where Caylee was..

george said Caylee was moved 8 or 9 times IIRC..

hey, gert! dunno if i agree with the above - i think too much forensic evidence would be left around. i really can't say for sure they knew where caylee was. i think that if they did, THEY might have moved her.

i know the area was underwater in november but it dried up in december. i think it was only a matter of time before caylee was discovered. i wonder why she was left in the plastic bags, though. they surely wouldn't have decomposed. it would make more sick sense if she was left there and covered with brush or something, open to the elements and animals. poor little child.

[Sun]

it's on her shoulder, right? easily viewed if she wore tanks, a bathing suit, that kind of thing. nope - don't see how she can say it's a violation of her privacy.

now, if it was somewhere ELSE on her body - that may be anoter story. everyone knows she got it - the tat artist even said he did it, right?

but you're prolly right. i can see the defense filing a motion to suppress.

I think that Baez/Casey tried to delay the taking of the photo, at least it seemed that way to me in the July 7th meeting. Perhaps the photographing of the tattoo had something to do with Casey's demeanor in the courtroom this last Friday. I can't think the way that Casey does, and just don't know how that could affect her.

[Sun]

Youre right Caylee wasnt moved 9 times thats their lie.. OK going to do something here.. bare with me..MO.. Caylee was mudered in house,casey bedroom .. moved from house, to gargage, from garage to casey's trunk, from trunk, to playhouse, from playhouse, to sand box, from sand box to pool area from pool area back to garage , from garage back to trunk, from trunk to woods,.. THERE'S 9 TIMES !

ITA they knew exacty where Caylee was..

george said Caylee was moved 8 or 9 times IIRC..

No hits on the sandbox by the cadaver dogs, though a hit on the area beside the playhouse.

[happygert]

I don't think we will hear anything today as it is already so late in the afternoon. Perhaps tomorrow we will hear something? I guess this means he is taking his time so as to make the right rulings....


Probably cause I have to take My little guy (my grandson) to dr. tomorrow..
Yes .. I hope he makes his rulings soon and hope they are in pros favor..keeping fingers crossed....lol

[happygert]

No hits on the sandbox by the cadaver dogs, though a hit on the area beside the playhouse.

IIRC there was hits on sandbox , playhouse and pool area..

[Sun]

IIRC there was hits on sandbox , playhouse and pool area..

I could be wrong. It's been a while since I saw that info.

[Kathlb]

I don't think we will hear anything today as it is already so late in the afternoon. Perhaps tomorrow we will hear something? I guess this means he is taking his time so as to make the right rulings....

Maybe if we do the "Doc Dump Shuffle" it might hurry things along. I say "shuffle" because you know that the shape we are all in according to CA means that we are way past our "Pony" and "Mashed Potatoes" years. :w00t:

[happygert]

I could be wrong. It's been a while since I saw that info.

I could be wrong but thats what I remember... thats why Ive thought all along she hid Caylee in those areas while she was getting shovel to dig.. no one would see her in Playhouse and if they did they'll think she was playing and laying down.. if in sand box she could be hid by putting the lid on , and moved by pool cause thats where she was going to bury her.. but ground too hard and too much work for casey..

[imc_e]

Casey, didn't even flinch! when one of her attorneys took the podium and was talking about Caylee's remains, her little body, and where/when it was found.

No tears for Caylee.

:crying:

[bchand]

Thanks for the link Rapunzel, that explains why the Today show is the only show CA, GA and Conway ever show up on lately. The today show seems to interview them quite often and with kid gloves I might add.

JMO

Did you see this part from the link ruth?

One successful appearance on a talk show can change the lives and fortunes of these guests.

At J2SC, we have former Talk Show producers on staff who will teach you how to be a great guest. Someone who will get called back on shows again and again.

If you’ve been booked (or hope to be booked) on a Talk Show, you should contact us first for this specialized media training.

Of course, they show Oprah's picture on that page. I don't think Oprah will be inviting the Anthonys back.

http://www.j2sc.com/p_talkshows.htm

[sydney]

Did you see this part from the link ruth?

One successful appearance on a talk show can change the lives and fortunes of these guests.

At J2SC, we have former Talk Show producers on staff who will teach you how to be a great guest. Someone who will get called back on shows again and again.

If you’ve been booked (or hope to be booked) on a Talk Show, you should contact us first for this specialized media training.

Of course, they show Oprah's picture on that page. I don't think Oprah will be inviting the Anthonys back.

makes me glad i don't watch the today show.

[breezie]

Did you see this part from the link ruth?

One successful appearance on a talk show can change the lives and fortunes of these guests.

At J2SC, we have former Talk Show producers on staff who will teach you how to be a great guest. Someone who will get called back on shows again and again.

If you’ve been booked (or hope to be booked) on a Talk Show, you should contact us first for this specialized media training.

Of course, they show Oprah's picture on that page. I don't think Oprah will be inviting the Anthonys back.

http://www.j2sc.com/p_talkshows.htm

maybe we should give Janey Whinetraub his number.

[bchand]

maybe we should give Janey Whinetraub his number.

lolol I don't think anyone could change her image. (along with anyone in the Anthony family. For goodness sake, if they can't be trust to have a loving visit with their daughter, how can anyone teach them how to act in public?)

[breezie]

lolol I don't think anyone could change her image. (along with anyone in the Anthony family. For goodness sake, if they can't be trust to have a loving visit with their daughter, how can anyone teach them how to act in public?)

Isn't the guy in the Oprah pic the one she raked over the coals over lying to her about his book being truthful?

Maybe we do want the Scamthonys on that couch...:tonguewag:

[Pruddennce]

it's on her shoulder, right? easily viewed if she wore tanks, a bathing suit, that kind of thing. nope - don't see how she can say it's a violation of her privacy.

now, if it was somewhere ELSE on her body - that may be anoter story. everyone knows she got it - the tat artist even said he did it, right?

but you're prolly right. i can see the defense filing a motion to suppress.

I think it showed up in someone's photobucket :D

there is a pic of her shamrock which is in a more revealing location. that tattoo might be fair game in this trial if in fact it was obtained while she was unemployed. how was it paid for if she didnt have a job? who gave her money to get it done?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[really3997]

Well they are certainly more relaxed in front of the cameras now especially Cindy, laughing, smiling, even dare I say flirting a bit with Jim, maybe Jim is the replacment for Dominic Casey. her previous "rock" George seemed a bit disgusted at times, maybe he was the only one who remembered the reason they were there..Caylee.

I guess by the time this whole trial is over Cindy and George will be seasoned professionals, ready to make the rounds of talk/news shows hawking their book and raising money for the "foundation" . Who would have thought that neither one would ever have to work again and all their financial problems would be solved.

Well he better work on Georges :shrug: and Cindy's :wink:

[really3997]

Where is Maitland in regards to the Anthony's home?

35 to 45 min.

[sydney]

I think it showed up in someone's photobucket :D

there is a pic of her shamrock which is in a more revealing location. that tattoo might be fair game in this trial if in fact it was obtained while she was unemployed. how was it paid for if she didnt have a job? who gave her money to get it done?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

maybe she had a "temp" job? you know, one that lasts only a day or two.....:wink:

[101Spots]

8/24/2009 A CORRESPONDENCE FILED (FAXED) FROM STEVEN PERRY SR

ok, who is this person? Who faxed?



I don't know but he has been known to fax before. A serial faxer?

9/26/2008 A CORRESPONDENCE FILED FAXED FROM STEVEN PERRY SR (9/25/08) TWO COPIES

[snowflakes]

Well he better work on Georges :shrug: and Cindy's :wink:

I think that once Casey is sentenced to whatever, the Ants will be well on their way to divorce court.

[101Spots]

maybe she had a "temp" job? you know, one that lasts only a day or two.....:wink:

........ or an hour or two........

[cassidy]

I think that once Casey is sentenced to whatever, the Ants will be well on their way to divorce court.

And I don't think anyone will be paying attention either. Seen Jackie Peterson lately?

[sydney]

........ or an hour or two........

oh, spots! how can you say that? :biggrin: she is so moral, upright, pure and saintly!

[Sun]

I don't know but he has been known to fax before. A serial faxer?

9/26/2008 A CORRESPONDENCE FILED FAXED FROM STEVEN PERRY SR (9/25/08) TWO COPIES

Interesting! I've still found nothing on who this could be.

[Sun]

35 to 45 min.

Evening Really! Given the late date that he was added to the State's witness list, I wonder what info he could have in support of the State's case against Casey.

[101Spots]

Interesting! I've still found nothing on who this could be.

Neither have I.

:shrug:

[breezie]

Neither have I.

:shrug:

somebody ask Kathi Belich. She can find out for us! AND I want to know about Casey's visits lately....grrr. Why can't we have that info?

[Chardonnay]

I got to thinking today, about what a poster (sorry, I forgot who) said last week, about how do people react in public towards G & C, like in stores or restaurants. What I'd love to see is how Jose is being treated in public. Especially after his recent antics from Friday's hearing and of course all his media pressers.. I wonder if people approach him and show their disgust with him in defending KC ? But we know for sure when people approach Jesse, Amy, and TonE, they show much compassion. And I keep hoping that there are some annonimous donors out there helping with their legal fees. JMO

[cassidy]

I see PB pictures
I see latent fingerprints
I see DNA
I see maggot evidence
I think I smell a smoking gun...
I don't and that's the 2nd time that's been said today. What do you see by way of a smoking gun?

[Jeepers]

Will Casey be upset that the public is going to be shown a photo of her tattoo? Will she be proud of it, and want everyone to see it, or could she be angry at what she feels is a violation of her privacy?

Will we see an emergency motion from the defense, trying to prevent the public from seeing this photo?

I think KC will be upset with the public viewing of the the Tat. With that being said she was upset with the publice being able to see her reaction to the discovery of Caylee. Not that she was upset about her darling baby girl being found murdered just that it showed KC reacting to her own evil actions. KC has enough about her to realize that the public is totally disgusted with her 31 days, her party pics, stealing from grandma and lying to LE about Caylee.
She will go ballistic with the public seeing her Good Life TAT. I can't wait to hear her Whine.:w00t:jmo

[Sun]

I see PB pictures
I see latent fingerprints
I see DNA
I see maggot evidence
I think I smell a smoking gun...

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I think it's more like "procedures manuals/etc" for that stuff. Not test results. Just possibly methods used to do the tests... maybe qualification of those involved with the testing, certification, etc. The dry boring stuff. The defense wants all this type of stuff, so they can try to discredit and call the testing results "junk science" I'm guessing.

[jammies]

:cursing::cursing:makes me glad i don't watch the today show.



ditto..... and never will.

[jammies]

maybe she had a "temp" job? you know, one that lasts only a day or two.....:wink:


or by the hour.

[Sun]

DNA from the trunk
KC's latent fingerprints
Maggot evidence

Here is a summary of what the latest Discovery contains:

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20547523/detail.html

[Dells]

I see PB pictures
I see latent fingerprints
I see DNA
I see maggot evidence
I think I smell a smoking gun...

I hope you are right!:thumbup:

[jammies]

........ or an hour or two........


ah, ya beat me to it. :laugh:

[sydney]

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I think it's more like "procedures manuals/etc" for that stuff. Not test results. Just possibly methods used to do the tests... maybe qualification of those involved with the testing, certification, etc. The dry boring stuff. The defense wants all this type of stuff, so they can try to discredit and call the testing results "junk science" I'm guessing.

i spose they'll forward it to their preeminent experts, baden and lee, to get shot down. can't wait to see what "recreation" or "experiment" lee is going to do with it and how he will say "someting not light" with the way in which the tests were performed. as far as for baden, what can he really contribute? caylee was merely bones when she was found. no cause of death determined, but the method was homicide. i wonder if he'll say she died of "natural" causes.

[cassidy]

dna from the trunk
kc's latent fingerprints
maggot evidence

aha!!!!! :)

[Sun]

i spose they'll forward it to their preeminent experts, baden and lee, to get shot down. can't wait to see what "recreation" or "experiment" lee is going to do with it and how he will say "someting not light" with the way in which the tests were performed. as far as for baden, what can he really contribute? caylee was merely bones when she was found. no cause of death determined, but the method was homicide. i wonder if he'll say she died of "natural" causes.

Kathy Reichs was on the Today show this morning, and said that she will testify for the defense. She's a forensics expert of some type.

http://www.hbo.com/autopsy/forensic/qa_with_kathy_reichs.html

[cassidy]

Kathy Reichs was on the Today show this morning, and said that she will testify for the defense. She's a forensics expert of some type.

http://www.hbo.com/autopsy/forensic/qa_with_kathy_reichs.html


Earlier today someone suggested that she is an expert with bones? And in that line could testify that there was no prior abuse noted in the bones found.

[sydney]

Earlier today someone suggested that she is an expert with bones? And in that line could testify that there was no prior abuse noted in the bones found.

is she a new addition to the defense team? and big whoop - no prior abuse.

murder is the ultimate abuse.

[cassidy]

is she a new addition to the defense team? and big whoop - no prior abuse.

murder is the ultimate abuse.

No she isn't new, she's been "on the team" for awhile now.

[ruth66]

Did you see this part from the link ruth?

One successful appearance on a talk show can change the lives and fortunes of these guests.

At J2SC, we have former Talk Show producers on staff who will teach you how to be a great guest. Someone who will get called back on shows again and again.

If you’ve been booked (or hope to be booked) on a Talk Show, you should contact us first for this specialized media training.

Of course, they show Oprah's picture on that page. I don't think Oprah will be inviting the Anthonys back.

http://www.j2sc.com/p_talkshows.htm

I believe this is why we are seeing the "new" and "improved" (cough cough) Cindy of late. She wants to make sure that she is able to reel in all the movie and book deals that are sure to come her way. She is probably chomping at the bit waiting for this trial to start so she can be in the spotlight once again. These people are shameless.

JMO of course.

[sydney]

No she isn't new, she's been "on the team" for awhile now.

thanks, cass. her image just eclipsed by the glaring intelligence of baden and lee, i guess.

[Katprint]

is she a new addition to the defense team? and big whoop - no prior abuse.

murder is the ultimate abuse.
Well, it really is unusual for a parent to suddenly murder their child with no prior abuse. More frequently there is a pattern of escalating abuse which culminates in the child failing to survive the abuse.

But I don't believe that "no broken bones" = "no prior abuse." I think there was prior abuse that did not happen to involve breaking bones. Caylee's photos show a variety of bruises on her face. IMO many of the bruises are about the size of Casey's fingertips. I think that Casey may have had a habit of grabbing Caylee's face to muffle her, to keep Grandma Cindy from coming to find out why Caylee was screaming/crying. Ultimately that may have escalated to a duct tape / suffocation incident.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[ruth66]

Did anyone happen to hear Jamie Floyd say today that she doesn't think they have the evidence to convict Casey today? I have really made an effort to see Casey as innocent in this somehow and there just is no way she is not guilty. I just don't get where Jamie sees the innocence here!

JMO

[Affa]

I can't believe someone has to hire a coach to tell them how to act in court. Coach should have told George that everyone knew he was lying last week when he was testifying about LP.

Cindy & Ga are both failing the course as far as I can see.

The prosecutors question to the As will be: "What to you do for the As"? He will have to admit he teaches them to lie with a straight face.

[sydney]

Well, it really is unusual for a parent to suddenly murder their child with no prior abuse. More frequently there is a pattern of escalating abuse which culminates in the child failing to survive the abuse.

But I don't believe that "no broken bones" = "no prior abuse." I think there was prior abuse that did not happen to involve breaking bones. Caylee's photos show a variety of bruises on her face. IMO many of the bruises are about the size of Casey's fingertips. I think that Casey may have had a habit of grabbing Caylee's face to muffle her, to keep Grandma Cindy from coming to find out why Caylee was screaming/crying. Ultimately that may have escalated to a duct tape / suffocation incident.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

hi, kat! if kc was abusing caylee in this manner and the bruises looked suspicious, i would think cindy or george would have stepped in and put a stop to it. i can't bring myself to believe they would be that blind or uncaring that they wouldn't have even noticed it. not only that, isn't is possible that caylee could have said something when asked "did you fall down" like "mommy did it" or something like that?

we'll never know, will we?

[sydney]

Did anyone happen to hear Jamie Floyd say today that she doesn't think they have the evidence to convict Casey today? I have really made an effort to see Casey as innocent in this somehow and there just is no way she is not guilty. I just don't get where Jamie sees the innocence here!

JMO

good ol' one-sided jamie. that's why i can't stand to watch her. it's okay to be on the side of the defendant, it's NOT okay to treat everyone else like they're stupid and refuse to see evidence that would point to their guilt.

[sydney]

I can't believe someone has to hire a coach to tell them how to act in court. Coach should have told George that everyone knew he was lying last week when he was testifying about LP.

Cindy & Ga are both failing the course as far as I can see.

The prosecutors question to the As will be: "What to you do for the As"? He will have to admit he teaches them to lie with a straight face.

(bold is mine)

hi, affa! one would think that with this newfound (or newly refreshed) belief in God, george and cindy both would be telling the truth.

hypocrites, every last one of them.

[cassidy]

Well, it really is unusual for a parent to suddenly murder their child with no prior abuse. More frequently there is a pattern of escalating abuse which culminates in the child failing to survive the abuse.

But I don't believe that "no broken bones" = "no prior abuse." I think there was prior abuse that did not happen to involve breaking bones. Caylee's photos show a variety of bruises on her face. IMO many of the bruises are about the size of Casey's fingertips. I think that Casey may have had a habit of grabbing Caylee's face to muffle her, to keep Grandma Cindy from coming to find out why Caylee was screaming/crying. Ultimately that may have escalated to a duct tape / suffocation incident.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Actually I said that maybe she (Kathy Reichs) was brought in to point out that there was no prior abuse noted in the bones that were found. I really don't know why she was brought in so quickly on the heels of the autopsy done in Orlando. I don't know what her role will be in the trial?

[Jeepers]

Well, it really is unusual for a parent to suddenly murder their child with no prior abuse. More frequently there is a pattern of escalating abuse which culminates in the child failing to survive the abuse.

But I don't believe that "no broken bones" = "no prior abuse." I think there was prior abuse that did not happen to involve breaking bones. Caylee's photos show a variety of bruises on her face. IMO many of the bruises are about the size of Casey's fingertips. I think that Casey may have had a habit of grabbing Caylee's face to muffle her, to keep Grandma Cindy from coming to find out why Caylee was screaming/crying. Ultimately that may have escalated to a duct tape / suffocation incident.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

I agree, having to drag Caylee around while KC did the social circuit I bet was a big drag. It was reported that KC would bring her to partys. The night that Riccardo said that KC and Caylee spent the night and when everyone got up the next morning and KC was there but, Caylee was gone. KC told them she took her home. The many forms of abuse. KC knew she really could not beat up on her because she lived with her parents and they would know.

[Katprint]

Did anyone happen to hear Jamie Floyd say today that she doesn't think they have the evidence to convict Casey today? I have really made an effort to see Casey as innocent in this somehow and there just is no way she is not guilty. I just don't get where Jamie sees the innocence here!I did not watch the show.

However, there are many shades of gray between innocence and conviction. It is not inconceivable that Casey could be found guilty of First Degree Murder but the jury could choose not to impose the death penalty, or perhaps the jury could find Casey guilty of Second Degree Murder or Manslaughter.

The defense might pull a rabbit out of its hat and prove up a "diminished capacity" defense due to Casey's lack of intelligence or lack of self control (previously reflected in her failure to finish high school or to become financially independent from her parents) or lack of ability to control her temper (remember her tantrums during the jailhouse visits when she was presumably on her best behavior? and handwriting in a snide little remark on her declaration?) or some other psychological condition which cannot completely excuse Casey's killing of Caylee but which might decrease her culpability somewhat. I am mildly surprised that the defense has not filed a motion seeking to have Casey transported - still in custody - to a medical facility where various imaging scans can be performed to detect organic brain disease.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[ruth66]

hi, kat! if kc was abusing caylee in this manner and the bruises looked suspicious, i would think cindy or george would have stepped in and put a stop to it. i can't bring myself to believe they would be that blind or uncaring that they wouldn't have even noticed it. not only that, isn't is possible that caylee could have said something when asked "did you fall down" like "mommy did it" or something like that?

we'll never know, will we?

I may be way off base here, but I would like to add that abuse comes in the form of verbal abuse as well even for a small child. It is not inconceivable that Casey would yell to the point of scaring Caylee to death, she could also have been ignoring her, leaving her locked in her room when no one else was home. Those actions also come from a place of anger and rage. It is not a far leap from those actions to placing duct tape over her mouth to quiet Caylee or chloroforming her to silence her. Abuse doesn't always leave visible marks.

JMO

[cassidy]

Quick question Katprint, if you are still here. I touched on this earlier but have been wondering about it all day. What if the defense hires an expert to help with their case and the expert uncovers evidence that points directly to the guilt of the defendant? Is the expert simply dismissed? Or are they compelled to let the prosecution know what they have found?

[bchand]

OT but too funny to pass up.

Sheba in Illinois just got through to Nancy.

(I swear I even saw a guilty smile on Nancy's face this time.)

[ruth66]

I did not watch the show.

However, there are many shades of gray between innocence and conviction. It is not inconceivable that Casey could be found guilty of First Degree Murder but the jury could choose not to impose the death penalty, or perhaps the jury could find Casey guilty of Second Degree Murder or Manslaughter.

The defense might pull a rabbit out of its hat and prove up a "diminished capacity" defense due to Casey's lack of intelligence or lack of self control (previously reflected in her failure to finish high school or to become financially independent from her parents) or lack of ability to control her temper (remember her tantrums during the jailhouse interviews? when she was presumably on her best behavior?) or some other psychological condition which cannot completely excuse Casey's killing of Caylee but which might decrease her culpability somewhat. I am mildly surprised that the defense has not filed a motion seeking to have Casey transported - still in custody - to a medical facility where various imaging scans can be performed to detect organic brain disease.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Bolding Mine
ITA with the statement bolded above. It is conceivable that Casey will be found guilty of a lesser charge. My frustration comes from the comments made by TH's like Jamie Floyd. I don't think I have ever heard her say she thought someone was proven guilty. I get that her show is the best defense but she takes it to a whole other level. Of course this is all JMO

[ruth66]

OT but too funny to pass up.

Sheba in Illinois just got through to Nancy.

(I swear I even saw a guilty smile on Nancy's face this time.)

I am waiting for Sheba from Illinois to be anounced as "Nancy's biggest fan" and receive her free signed copy of Nancy's new book. I'm being serious here. :smile:

[snowflakes]

Did anyone happen to hear Jamie Floyd say today that she doesn't think they have the evidence to convict Casey today? I have really made an effort to see Casey as innocent in this somehow and there just is no way she is not guilty. I just don't get where Jamie sees the innocence here!

JMO

I heard her, but I considered the source. JMO

[Sun]

Kathy Reichs was on the Today show this morning, and said that she will testify for the defense. She's a forensics expert of some type.

http://www.hbo.com/autopsy/forensic/qa_with_kathy_reichs.html

HBO.COM
On the subject of what is often called "junk science," what are your thoughts as a certified forensic anthropologist and a board member of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences?

KATHY REICHS
Most of your legitimate practitioners are members of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences: chemists, psychiatrists, anthropologists, entomologists, pathologists, you know they're multi-disciplinary. If a complaint is lodged either for ethical reasons or reasons of competency it goes before the ethics committee. And then those cases are brought to the board of directors, of which I am a member. So I do hear about complaints, some of which are legitimate, some of which are found not to be well grounded. Most forensic sciences have a certifying body to make sure that they regulate the qualifications and the behavior of their members. If a renegade is out there practicing who's not certified, there is no control over that person. If a board certified individual acts or testifies inappropriately that can be submitted to his or her board and the case would be evaluated. So that's part of the reason for certifying boards.

The other part is to make sure that people can put the letters after their name. So that relevant agencies, whether it's a prosecuting attorney or law enforcement or coroner, will know who it is that's qualified, you look for somebody who's certified. One of the things the American Academy of Forensic Sciences is in the process of doing right now is establishing a certifying board that will be in charge of certifying the certifying board itself, which in turn will help to establish a certification process within the forensic sciences field.

Perhaps Reichs may be used to attempt to discredit the Tennessee Lab, their results, etc. The defense needs some way to neutralize the car evidence.

[Sun]

I did not watch the show.

However, there are many shades of gray between innocence and conviction. It is not inconceivable that Casey could be found guilty of First Degree Murder but the jury could choose not to impose the death penalty, or perhaps the jury could find Casey guilty of Second Degree Murder or Manslaughter.

The defense might pull a rabbit out of its hat and prove up a "diminished capacity" defense due to Casey's lack of intelligence or lack of self control (previously reflected in her failure to finish high school or to become financially independent from her parents) or lack of ability to control her temper (remember her tantrums during the jailhouse visits when she was presumably on her best behavior? and handwriting in a snide little remark on her declaration?) or some other psychological condition which cannot completely excuse Casey's killing of Caylee but which might decrease her culpability somewhat. I am mildly surprised that the defense has not filed a motion seeking to have Casey transported - still in custody - to a medical facility where various imaging scans can be performed to detect organic brain disease.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Whoa! Are you thinking that Casey would approve of a move like this? I cannot see Casey "allowing" anyone to think of her as anything but "normal." Could the defense team make a move like this without Casey's cooperation?

[Katprint]

Quick quetion Katprint, if you are still here. I touched on this earlier but have been wondering about it all day. What if the defense hires an expert to help with their case and the expert uncovers evidence that points directly to the guilt of the defendant? Is the expert simply dismissed? Or are they compelled to let the prosecution know what they have found?
Unlike the prosecution's duty to disclose exculpatory (tending to prove innocence) evidence, the defense does not have a duty to disclose inculpatory (tending to prove guilt) evidence. If their expert has an opinion they don't like, they don't call him to testify. They don't even have to disclose that they ever consulted him because expert consultation is protected by the Attorney Work Product Privilege. They can go on to expert #2, expert #3, expert #4 ad infinitum until they find an expert whose opinion they like.

The only time I have seen this become a problem is when there is a limited number of experts - for example, less than 10 - and the defendant (or the plaintiff in a civil case) tries to retain all of the existing experts in order to prevent the other side from having an expert of its own. In that case, the judge will craft a remedy that seems fair, such as randomly picking one of the limited experts and ordering that expert may be retained by the other side.

Also, as far as "uncovering evidence" goes, if the expert actually finds a piece of physical evidence - as opposed to offering his opinion testimony as evidence - then the expert needs to leave that physical evidence exactly as it was discovered (note: this NEVER happens) so that it remains equally available for discovery by the other side or else the new physical evidence must be disclosed to the other side. By way of example, if Baez hires an expert who goes back to the area where Caylee's remains were discovered and he tracks the flow of flood waters down into a storm drain and along the flood system and miraculously discovers Caylee's hyoid bone, that piece of physical evidence would have to be disclosed to the prosecution. However, the expert's opinions about that evidence would not have to be disclosed unless the defense intended to introduce those expert opinions at trial.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[TunaMelt]

Did anyone happen to hear Jamie Floyd say today that she doesn't think they have the evidence to convict Casey today? I have really made an effort to see Casey as innocent in this somehow and there just is no way she is not guilty. I just don't get where Jamie sees the innocence here!

JMO

Jamie Floyd is the kind of person that makes me dislike defense attorneys as a group. Which isn't right, and I know that.

And I know Jamie Floyd gets paid to be the Uber Defense Attorney.

But holy moly she's the most annoying human being on the planet, and somewhere in that liberal bleeding heart of her she knows, I know she knows, that not everyone is not guilty. That some people go to trial because the State has a case, and the jury agrees, and the gavel comes down with a big ole "GUILTY" and it's a true and right verdict.

She knows this.

But she'll never admit it.

She'll go to her grave never admitting it, just as I'll go to mine due to high blood pressure, from listening to her.


:mellow:

That felt good.
;)

[cassidy]

.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

****snipped****

Thank You.

[Katprint]

Whoa! Are you thinking that Casey would approve of a move like this? I cannot see Casey "allowing" anyone to think of her as anything but "normal." Could the defense team make a move like this without Casey's cooperation?
Well, the Unibomber was successful in preventing his defense team from raising his mental disorders (and he really, really had some) as a defense, and now he will spend the rest of his life in federal prison. The best that the Unibomber's defense team could do was to appeal to the fairmindedness of the prosecution and negotiate them dropping the death penalty, kind of what Lenamon did for Casey prior to the discovery of Caylee's duct-taped remains.

So, if Casey sticks to her guns and insists that she graduated from high school and was enrolled in college and was the Mother of the Year etc. then no, the defense team probably cannot force her to cooperate with a diminished capacity strategy. Even after a conviction on the First Degree Murder charges, when she is staring the death penalty in the face, she might go the Scott Peterson route of simply continuing to insist that the jury got it wrong rather than offer medical/psychological evidence that might establish some sort of mitigation.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[TunaMelt]

I am waiting for Sheba from Illinois to be anounced as "Nancy's biggest fan" and receive her free signed copy of Nancy's new book. I'm being serious here. :smile:

Sheba most always sounds like she's in the bag when she phones. Or maybe that's just her way of talking, but she's kind of slurry sounding.

Maybe she could show Nancy a real good time.

:w00t:

:wink:

[ruth66]

Jamie Floyd is the kind of person that makes me dislike defense attorneys as a group. Which isn't right, and I know that.
And I know Jamie Floyd gets paid to be the Uber Defense Attorney.

But holy moly she's the most annoying human being on the planet, and somewhere in that liberal bleeding heart of her she knows, I know she knows, that not everyone is not guilty. That some people go to trial because the State has a case, and the jury agrees, and the gavel comes down with a big ole "GUILTY" and it's a true and right verdict.

She knows this.

But she'll never admit it.




She'll go to her grave never admitting it, just as I'll go to mine due to high blood pressure, from listening to her.


:mellow:

That felt good.
;)

bolding mine:
ITA, I don't want to feel that way about defense attorneys either but some of the strategies that they come up with just defy logic. The one that seems to be catching on is "the victim committed suicide".

I feel better now knowing that it isn't just me. :wink:

[Pruddennce]

Casey was plenty cheerful right before she got that tattoo. She'd just pulled off stealing Amy's $400 cash, I believe.

and...according to Danny's interview (tattoo parlor) she stopped in on TUESDAY, JULY 15th to schedule yet ANOTHER APT for saturday of that week.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/09%20Danny%20Colamarino%20Transcript.pdf

ANOTHER TATTOO!

she also told Danny she didnt have enough room in HER CAR to pick her friends up from the airport, a trip she was supposed to go on, but claimed she was SAVING HER MONEY TO MOVE OUT OF HER MOTHER's HOUSE....oh, and Caylee was with the nanny.

......two weeks prior she had the beautiful life one put on her back and she is ready for another one? the jury is going to be lifting their jaws off of the floor when they hear she was there on July 15th. the same day she claims she spoke to Caylee on the phone. she was there between 2 and 4...AFTER she claims she got a call from Caylee...

she was busy lining up her life.....

....without Caylee.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[desmom]

hi, kat! if kc was abusing caylee in this manner and the bruises looked suspicious, i would think cindy or george would have stepped in and put a stop to it. i can't bring myself to believe they would be that blind or uncaring that they wouldn't have even noticed it. not only that, isn't is possible that caylee could have said something when asked "did you fall down" like "mommy did it" or something like that?

we'll never know, will we?

If G & C believed Casey's stories about her whereabouts for 31 days, why wouldn't they believe a "story" about how Caylee bruised her face?

jmo

[Sun]

Well, the Unibomber was successful in preventing his defense team from raising his mental disorders (and he really, really had some) as a defense, and now he will spend the rest of his life in federal prison. The best that the Unibomber's defense team could do was to appeal to the fairmindedness of the prosecution and negotiate them dropping the death penalty, kind of what Lenamon did for Casey prior to the discovery of Caylee's duct-taped remains.

So, if Casey sticks to her guns and insists that she graduated from high school and was enrolled in college and was the Mother of the Year etc. then no, the defense team probably cannot force her to cooperate with a diminished capacity strategy. Even after a conviction on the First Degree Murder charges, when she is staring the death penalty in the face, she might go the Scott Peterson route of simply continuing to insist that the jury got it wrong rather than offer medical/psychological evidence that might establish some sort of mitigation.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Ah, I understand now. Good explanation!

Casey stuck with her story to LE in July. And in August 2008 told DCF many of the same "stories." And, in her affidavits in early 2009, specifically pencilled in "for a crime that I did not commit."

[imc_e]

Does anyone know if the Judge had made his rulings yet?

Maybe it won't be for today?

Also wanted to send a birthday hug out to our own Annie, honorary FLAB who is celebrating today! :thumbup:

[desmom]

Does anyone know if the Judge had made his rulings yet?

Maybe it won't be for today?

Also wanted to send a birthday hug out to our own Annie, honorary FLAB who is celebrating today! :thumbup:

Nothing yet.


Happy B-day Annie!

[101Spots]

AnniePo...... Pi..... Poo......... P......... Pie:

Hippo birdies two ewes! :patriot:

[Lynn Gweeny]

[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]HBO.COM
On the subject of what is often called "junk science," what are your thoughts as a certified forensic anthropologist and a board member of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences?

KATHY REICHS
(SNIP)

Perhaps Reichs may be used to attempt to discredit the Tennessee Lab, their results, etc. The defense needs some way to neutralize the car evidence.

Kathy Reichs was an expert witness in the trial of Father Gerald Robinson in the cold case homicide of Sister Margaret Pahl.

Some interesting articles about her testimony and the prosecution's closing argument about her testimony. imo

Ms. Reichs acknowledged that her court testimony yesterday was the first time she based her conclusions on reviews of photos and reports, without any direct examination of evidence. (more at link)

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060509/NEWS02/605090372


The prosecutor responded with a scathing attack on Reichs, showing the jury a chart that referred to her as a "hired gun" and describing her testimony as follows:
(more at link)

http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/evidenceprof/2008/07/bones----reichs.html

[bchand]

Kathy Reichs was an expert witness in the trial of Father Gerald Robinson in the cold case homicide of Sister Margaret Pahl.

Some interesting articles about her testimony and the prosecution's closing argument about her testimony. imo

Ms. Reichs acknowledged that her court testimony yesterday was the first time she based her conclusions on reviews of photos and reports, without any direct examination of evidence. (more at link)

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060509/NEWS02/605090372


The prosecutor responded with a scathing attack on Reichs, showing the jury a chart that referred to her as a "hired gun" and describing her testimony as follows:
(more at link)

http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/evidenceprof/2008/07/bones----reichs.html

Wow, great info. Thanks Lynn :seeya:

I hope everyone reads that link. More:

"Then they called Kathy Reichs to testify. And her testimony was pretty poor. She talked about she had sort of two personalities. She had Katherine Reichs, Ph.D., that she's the forensic anthropologist, and when she's the novelist, she's Kathy Reichs. Well, I think we just heard the testimony of Kathy because she did absolutely no science. I think the telling point was what Dr. Barnett talked about, is that scientists do not presume, and that's exactly what she did. She never examined anything. She never did anything. They talk about trust. Would you go to a doctor that would not even look at you? She didn't look at the evidence.

eta: Happy Birthday Annie !!

[breezie]

Unlike the prosecution's duty to disclose exculpatory (tending to prove innocence) evidence, the defense does not have a duty to disclose inculpatory (tending to prove guilt) evidence. If their expert has an opinion they don't like, they don't call him to testify. They don't even have to disclose that they ever consulted him because expert consultation is protected by the Attorney Work Product Privilege. They can go on to expert #2, expert #3, expert #4 ad infinitum until they find an expert whose opinion they like.

The only time I have seen this become a problem is when there is a limited number of experts - for example, less than 10 - and the defendant (or the plaintiff in a civil case) tries to retain all of the existing experts in order to prevent the other side from having an expert of its own. In that case, the judge will craft a remedy that seems fair, such as randomly picking one of the limited experts and ordering that expert may be retained by the other side.

Also, as far as "uncovering evidence" goes, if the expert actually finds a piece of physical evidence - as opposed to offering his opinion testimony as evidence - then the expert needs to leave that physical evidence exactly as it was discovered (note: this NEVER happens) so that it remains equally available for discovery by the other side or else the new physical evidence must be disclosed to the other side. By way of example, if Baez hires an expert who goes back to the area where Caylee's remains were discovered and he tracks the flow of flood waters down into a storm drain and along the flood system and miraculously discovers Caylee's hyoid bone, that piece of physical evidence would have to be disclosed to the prosecution. However, the expert's opinions about that evidence would not have to be disclosed unless the defense intended to introduce those expert opinions at trial.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

I truly don't know how they live with themselves knowing evidence that points to the guilty person but letting them off. Rationalize all you want, but that's what they are doing. Despicable.

[cassidy]

Kathy Reichs was an expert witness in the trial of Father Gerald Robinson in the cold case homicide of Sister Margaret Pahl.

Some interesting articles about her testimony and the prosecution's closing argument about her testimony. imo

Ms. Reichs acknowledged that her court testimony yesterday was the first time she based her conclusions on reviews of photos and reports, without any direct examination of evidence. (more at link)

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060509/NEWS02/605090372


The prosecutor responded with a scathing attack on Reichs, showing the jury a chart that referred to her as a "hired gun" and describing her testimony as follows:
(more at link)

http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/evidenceprof/2008/07/bones----reichs.html


Not very flattering to Ms. Reichs is it?

WB Lynn, you've been missed :)

[Lynn Gweeny]

Wow, great info. Thanks Lynn

I hope everyone reads that link. More:

(SNIP)

eta: Happy Birthday Annie !!

:thumbsup: You're welcome!

It was dejavue all over again when Dr. Henry Lee based his testimony on photos in the trials of Cal Hill. He testified in the first trial via videotape offering an opinion on the age of the blood IN THE PHOTOGRAPH. :sneaky: He never went to the crime scene.

http://www.wbng.com/news/local/51515487.html

Gee, is this the 'new' expert testimony ... not actually examining the evidence when it's available to them? jmo

ETA: HELLO EVERYONE!!! LTNS. :seeya:

[Pruddennce]

Ah, I understand now. Good explanation!

Casey stuck with her story to LE in July. And in August 2008 told DCF many of the same "stories." And, in her affidavits in early 2009, specifically pencilled in "for a crime that I did not commit."

I am still flabbergasted that JB allowed that handwritten notation to exit his office.

unbelievable. ...actually making an accusation that this was PERSONAL, the state has personal feelings about HER in the middle of preparing for trial? they had an obligation to start with the money trail and JB.....IMO it HAD to be nailed down....

and I dont believe we have heard the end of it because her lawyer is quite nefarious in my book....not to be confused with incompetent which he also is, IMO........*showing up at the Ritz* <---why? no one there was his client.....


IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[Dells]

Bolding Mine
ITA with the statement bolded above. It is conceivable that Casey will be found guilty of a lesser charge. My frustration comes from the comments made by TH's like Jamie Floyd. I don't think I have ever heard her say she thought someone was proven guilty. I get that her show is the best defense but she takes it to a whole other level. Of course this is all JMO

Bolding mine...

I have never seen her show, but she sounds an awful lot like Jayne Weintraub to me. JW never met a defendant that she thought was guilty. I get worried sometimes that Casey is going to sneak out of this, but I keep thinking about all the TH's that said that there was no evidence against Scott Peterson and look where he is sitting now....

[cassidy]

I am still flabbergasted that JB allowed that handwritten notation to exit his office.

unbelievable. ...actually making an accusation that this was PERSONAL, the state has personal feelings about HER in the middle of preparing for trial? they had an obligation to start with the money trail and JB.....IMO it HAD to be nailed down....

and I dont believe we have heard the end of it because her lawyer is quite nefarious in my book....not to be confused with incompetent which he also is, IMO........*showing up at the Ritz* <---why? no one there was his client.....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

A. For a free meal?
B. To make sure no one got tipsy and ratted out HIS client.
C. Because he might get noticed and become the newest talking head?
D. All of the above :) with the free meal a priority

[101Spots]

A. For a free meal?
B. To make sure no one got tipsy and ratted out HIS client.
C. Both of the above :) with the free meal a priority

D. Shmooze the ABC rep.

[cassidy]

D. Shmooze the ABC rep.

LOL I edited to add that :)

[cassidy]

You'd think Casey would be all over her attorney's to step it up. After all, she's been in there over a year and she isn't getting any younger. Life has moved on without her. Go figure that out!

[101Spots]

You'd think Casey would be all over her attorney's to step it up. After all, she's been in there over a year and she isn't getting any younger. Life has moved on without her. Go figure that out!

Jose is probably filling her head with visions of them walking on the beach together, counting their money, and living la bella vita together - if she can be patient.

One of these days she's going to erupt all over Jose's nice suit.

[cassidy]

Jose is probably filling her head with visions of them walking on the beach together, counting their money, and living la bella vita together - if she can be patient.

One of these days she's going to erupt all over Jose's nice suit.

I'm really surprised she hasn't already. She doesn't strike me as the patient type.

[Imperfect4]

Well, it really is unusual for a parent to suddenly murder their child with no prior abuse. More frequently there is a pattern of escalating abuse which culminates in the child failing to survive the abuse.

But I don't believe that "no broken bones" = "no prior abuse." I think there was prior abuse that did not happen to involve breaking bones. Caylee's photos show a variety of bruises on her face. IMO many of the bruises are about the size of Casey's fingertips. I think that Casey may have had a habit of grabbing Caylee's face to muffle her, to keep Grandma Cindy from coming to find out why Caylee was screaming/crying. Ultimately that may have escalated to a duct tape / suffocation incident.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Interesting theory, kp.

[101Spots]

I'm really surprised she hasn't already. She doesn't strike me as the patient type.

Yeah. Incarceration must be really dreadfully wearing on her. Awwwww.......

:lol: :D:

[djmsmom]

I'm really surprised she hasn't already. She doesn't strike me as the patient type.

I think that it took over 10 months for Casey to realise she just might not get away with this. IMO thats where the tears came from on Fri. It looked like she had been crying, with the red nose. AL finally told her how bad it looked and how important all the motions are. JB has been sugercoating everything to keep his girl happy and quiet. She sure never looked concerned before in court with the smiling and flirting with JB. She knows now at the very least she's looking at another year.

[adair]

Kathy Reichs was an expert witness in the trial of Father Gerald Robinson in the cold case homicide of Sister Margaret Pahl.

Some interesting articles about her testimony and the prosecution's closing argument about her testimony. imo

Ms. Reichs acknowledged that her court testimony yesterday was the first time she based her conclusions on reviews of photos and reports, without any direct examination of evidence. (more at link)

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060509/NEWS02/605090372


The prosecutor responded with a scathing attack on Reichs, showing the jury a chart that referred to her as a "hired gun" and describing her testimony as follows:
(more at link)

http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/evidenceprof/2008/07/bones----reichs.html


Hey Lynn!!!

Great to see you!!! Yes I remember that very well....IMO i she did not do that great of a job, and acted very..."snobbish"....on the stand. This is just my opinion.

:thumbdown:

[legalmania]

Well, it really is unusual for a parent to suddenly murder their child with no prior abuse. More frequently there is a pattern of escalating abuse which culminates in the child failing to survive the abuse.

But I don't believe that "no broken bones" = "no prior abuse." I think there was prior abuse that did not happen to involve breaking bones. Caylee's photos show a variety of bruises on her face. IMO many of the bruises are about the size of Casey's fingertips. I think that Casey may have had a habit of grabbing Caylee's face to muffle her, to keep Grandma Cindy from coming to find out why Caylee was screaming/crying. Ultimately that may have escalated to a duct tape / suffocation incident.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

I don't know about that how about Susan Smith, Andrea Yates and the many others who haven't made the headlines. When I worked for the D.A. in Broward county FL. there were many. No signs of abuse next thing their dead.

[Katprint]

I don't know about that how about Susan Smith, Andrea Yates and the many others who haven't made the headlines. When I worked for the D.A. in Broward county FL. there were many. No signs of abuse next thing their dead.
Hey, Andrea Yates doesn't count because she was crazy... But it is worth pointing out that she didn't SUDDENLY go crazy; she had an extensive medical history of postpartum depression and psychosis FOR YEARS, including two suicide attempts and two psychiatric hospitalizations.

Nonetheless, I agree that it sometimes happens suddenly with no signs of prior abuse. I happen to be of the opinion that it is much more rare for a parent to suddenly murder their child when there has not been prior abuse, just like it is much more rare for a rapist or serial killer to be a female although there are indeed some female rapists and some female serial killers. The Susan Smith case is shocking because it is one of those freakish rare cases.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[legalmania]

Hey, Andrea Yates doesn't count because she was crazy... But it is worth pointing out that she didn't SUDDENLY go crazy; she had an extensive medical history of postpartum depression and psychosis FOR YEARS, including two suicide attempts and two psychiatric hospitalizations.

Nonetheless, I agree that it sometimes happens suddenly with no signs of prior abuse. I happen to be of the opinion that it is much more rare for a parent to suddenly murder their child when there has not been prior abuse, just like it is much more rare for a rapist or serial killer to be a female although there are indeed some female rapists and some female serial killers. The Susan Smith case is shocking because it is one of those freakish rare cases.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

I don't know what part of the country you are from but in South Florida in the parts of town that suffer from unemployment and the people are poverty stricken, it is all to common. There's at least one murder a week, for no reason. The people have nothing and one less mouth to feed is nothing to them. It got so bad that I had to move. Now the biggest crime is drugs, which I'll gladly take over an innocent child's murder. I never thought I would have to write something like that.

Oh I just read your from SF California sorry. Well South Florida is the arm pit of the US.

[8BellesFan]

I've been absent for a while. Could someone please help me out? I'm watching videos from Friday. What exactly was the hearing for? I'm confused.

[8BellesFan]

I've been absent for a while. Could someone please help me out? I'm watching videos from Friday. What exactly was the hearing for? I'm confused.


:blushing: nevermind, I found the docs

[Imperfect4]

:blushing: nevermind, I found the docs

Hey, you!

Good to see you. :wub:

[5boxersmom]

:blushing: nevermind, I found the docs

:seeya:

Where ya been? I have the feel bads so I slept all afternoon. Now I am wide awake. :biggrin:

[legalmania]

Jose is probably filling her head with visions of them walking on the beach together, counting their money, and living la bella vita together - if she can be patient.

One of these days she's going to erupt all over Jose's nice suit.

I'm sure Jose has prepared her for the worst. She'll be doing at least 8 yrs. for the forgery of checks and child neglect.(not reporting Caylee missing). Then the rest is up to a jury.

[8BellesFan]

:seeya:

Where ya been? I have the feel bads so I slept all afternoon. Now I am wide awake. :biggrin:


had some health issues to take care of, and lots of overtime at work. I've tried to keep up here and there but I have not done a very good job of it.

[5boxersmom]

had some health issues to take care of, and lots of overtime at work. I've tried to keep up here and there but I have not done a very good job of it.

Hope you are ok.

Did you see George on the stand at Friday's hearing? Real interesting.

[8BellesFan]

Hope you are ok.

Did you see George on the stand at Friday's hearing? Real interesting.

yeah, I'm okay. I just watched that video. Looks like it's every liar for themselves these days.

Feel better you.

[5boxersmom]

yeah, I'm okay. I just watched that video. Looks like it's every liar for themselves these days.

Feel better you.

TY I will.

Yep George lies so easy.

jmo

[AnniePie]

Maybe if we do the "Doc Dump Shuffle" it might hurry things along. I say "shuffle" because you know that the shape we are all in according to CA means that we are way past our "Pony" and "Mashed Potatoes" years. :w00t:

The last time we got docs Lavenia had done a little Doc Dump Dance... where is that woman? :w00t:

[8BellesFan]

TY I will.

Yep George lies so easy.

jmo

I think it's in their DNA. They all seem to toss off lies as easily as taking a breath.

[AnniePie]

OT but too funny to pass up.

Sheba in Illinois just got through to Nancy.

(I swear I even saw a guilty smile on Nancy's face this time.)

A guilty smile? What do you mean by that, bc?

[AnniePie]

Does anyone know if the Judge had made his rulings yet?

Maybe it won't be for today?

Also wanted to send a birthday hug out to our own Annie, honorary FLAB who is celebrating today! :thumbup:

Awww... thanks CE! I had two BD cakes from two different families, so I'm definitely staying within FLAB rules and regulations! :laugh:

I suspect SS will make his ruling on Thursday, as I have plans for the entire day. Yep, that should do it.

[5boxersmom]

I think it's in their DNA. They all seem to toss off lies as easily as taking a breath.

ITA. Poor Caylee having to live with that bunch.

jmo

[5boxersmom]

Awww... thanks CE! I had two BD cakes from two different families, so I'm definitely staying within FLAB rules and regulations! :laugh:

I suspect SS will make his ruling on Thursday, as I have plans for the entire day. Yep, that should do it.

Well, I sure would have liked a piece of that cake. Me not feeling well and all. :glare: Happy Birthday. :thumbsup:

[5boxersmom]

OT but too funny to pass up.

Sheba in Illinois just got through to Nancy.

(I swear I even saw a guilty smile on Nancy's face this time.)

I know. I heard and saw that. My DH was walking through and I said Oh man not Sheeba again. And he said Who is Sheeba, so I had to tell him that she averages at least once a week getting through to NG. :biggrin:

jmo

[AnniePie]

Well, I sure would have like a piece of that cake. Me not feeling well and all. :glare: Happy Birthday. :thumbsup:

Thanks for the BD wishes (and to everyone else as well). I will fax you a piece of cake. :smile:

[AnniePie]

I know. I heard and saw that. My DH was walking through and I said Oh man not Sheeba again. And he said Who is Sheeba, so I had to tell him that she averages at least once a week getting through to NG. :biggrin:

jmo

Get outta here! The exact same thing happened in my kitchen this evening!! Doo doo, doo doo, doo doo... twilight zone song playing in my head as I type this... :ohmy:

[imc_e]

A guilty smile? What do you mean by that, bc?

Allow me.

Imagine you told your son NO cookies before dinner, then later you ask him if he took a cookie? <insert guilty smile>

You know the one!

:tongueside:

[Postergeist]

Well, I sure would have liked a piece of that cake. Me not feeling well and all. :glare: Happy Birthday. :thumbsup:

just popping in to say I saw where you had the "feel bads" (((boxer))), and hope you have the feel betters soon

and to also wish our Annie (((sweetie))) Pie happy birthday blessings to you!

hope to c'ya tomo!

nitey nite

[5boxersmom]

Get outta here! The exact same thing happened in my kitchen this evening!! Doo doo, doo doo, doo doo... twilight zone song playing in my head as I type this... :ohmy:

That is funny. :biggrin: