Ryan A.Jenkins, suspect in his wife's slaying, found dead in British Co

[aproudmom]

how sad I saw this on HLN yesterday and they had not idea who it was at that time at one time they thought it was a child since it was a small suitcase..well I hope they find the monster that did this...


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,540460,00.html
The woman whose body was found stuffed in a suitcase and tossed in an Orange County trash bin has been identified as a 28-year-old former swimsuit model who disappeared over the weekend.

[Postergeist]

US and Canada are looking for the finalist of "Megan Wants to Marry a Millionaire"

Jasmine Fiore, 28, was last seen about 8:30 p.m. Friday at her home in Los Angeles and was reported missing Saturday evening by Canadian citizen Ryan Alexander Jenkins, 32. He has since disappeared and is being called a person of interest in Fiore's killing, police say.



Authorities believe Jenkins could be heading to Canada in Fiore's white 2007 Mercedes CL S550 with black rims and tinted windows, which is still missing. They think he took the Canadian license plate, number HLY275, off his black BMW X5 SUV and put it on Fiore's vehicle.

Jenkins and Fiore were likely either dating or married, though police haven't been able to confirm the nature of their relationship.



The Royal Canadian Mounted Police is helping California authorities by executing a "BOLF" order — an advisory to "be on the lookout for" Jenkins, Sgt. Patrick Webb told FOXNews.com.



Jenkins' profile on the show's Web site has been removed (VH1's site)

photo of suspect at link- White Male dark hair

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,540460,00.html

[Leanne Weich]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,540460,00.html

I hope they find this guy fast.

[BorderCollieMom]

Whoa !!!! Is this the same guy that had a "date" with Megan when they went somewhere in a silver sports car ? He constantly said "Im hot, shes hot" ???? Anyone watch this show ?

[BorderCollieMom]

Nevermind. He is the guy I thought he was. He is rumored as the "runner-up" on the VH1 show.

VH1 has yanked all of there pages but some are still on google. Theres a few folks trying to talk about on their forums and keep getting deleted.

Im shocked. He was kinda wierd but murderer ? OMG ! He was suppose to be on I love Money 3 also...

I cant believe this.

[Postergeist]

Whoa !!!! Is this the same guy that had a "date" with Megan when they went somewhere in a silver sports car ? He constantly said "Im hot, shes hot" ???? Anyone watch this show ?

I haven't watched this show- because I remember this gal from prev. VH1 show/s and couldn't stand her- but I knew the show was going to be on.

I'm glad the thread title changed- because when I went to google news & saw the headlines & it was updated (at the time) to 23 min. ago, I went to see if there was a thread on it in Entertainment or Current Crimes.

I do know we have quite a few posters that do watch a lot of VH1 programming, so this connection/tie might help with finding him as far as he'd be more recognizable hopefully to the general public.

[BorderCollieMom]

I haven't watched this show- because I remember this gal from prev. VH1 show/s and couldn't stand her- but I knew the show was going to be on.

I'm glad the thread title changed- because when I went to google news & saw the headlines & it was updated (at the time) to 23 min. ago, I went to see if there was a thread on it in Entertainment or Current Crimes.

I do know we have quite a few posters that do watch a lot of VH1 programming, so this connection/tie might help with finding him as far as he'd be more recognizable hopefully to the general public.

Ugh, I dont like Megan either, lol...I wished Sharon O would of got her even better than she did...but anyways...

The photo of Ryan on most news sites arent really recognizable to Megan/MM show watchers. His photo on the front page of TMZ is a great photo...thats what he looked like on the show...Im still just shocked over this. I love reality show but I dont know how in the world I got to watching Meg/MM.

Im sure Ryan will be found soon. I feel so sad for Jasmine & her friends & family. Her poor mom is distraught.

[Postergeist]

thanks for mentioning TMZ-

Photo of car at this link

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/18/reality-star-on-the-run-in-model-murder/

UPDATE: Cops say the photo below is "a possible vehicle being driven by Mr. Jenkins." If anyone has any information about this case, call the Buena Park Police Department at 714-562-3992 or 714-562-3935.


side profile of Ryan

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/18/person-of-interest-in-model-murder-married-victim/

photo of Ryan with facial hair

http://www.tmz.com/tag/ryan+alexander+jenkins/

[BorderCollieMom]

http://www.tmz.com/category/celebrity-justice/

Text Message - Key Clue

[Jester]

Here's his company:

http://www.skyhomescalgary.com/about.php

He capitalized on the housing market. With the soaring economy during the last 10 years, it was hard not to become a millionaire through real estate in some cities.

A 31 year old with 9 years experience, and problems spelling "you're".

http://www.skyhomescalgary.com/view_custom/1742

[Jester]

"In what appears to be a more recent website posting, Jenkins listed himself as an employee with Concrete Equities, a Calgary real estate investment firm."

http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20090819/CGY_model_murder_090818/20090819/?hub=CalgaryHome

"A group of disgruntled investors will head to court this week in a bid to regain control of their properties from Concrete Equities, a Calgary-based commercial real estate fund."

http://www.calgaryherald.com/entertainment/Calgary+Concrete+Equities+under+fire/1657617/story.html

Sounds like he's a scammer ... take people's money with promise of investment, disappear with the money.

[Jester]

This guy is in trouble up to his eyeballs with fraudulent investments in Canada, and now murder in the US. I don't think he'd run to Canada, I think he'd head for Mexico.

[Jester]

This is one spaced out weird interview

http://www.aolcdn.com/tmz_audio/081809_megan2.mp3

Is she on drugs or what!

[Jester]

thanks for mentioning TMZ-

Photo of car at this link

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/18/reality-star-on-the-run-in-model-murder/



side profile of Ryan

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/18/person-of-interest-in-model-murder-married-victim/

photo of Ryan with facial hair

http://www.tmz.com/tag/ryan+alexander+jenkins/

The guy is such a loser ... conviction for assaulting a girlfriend, sex addiction treatment, investment scams ... but he was "I don't know ... he was a really nice guy" (said with a very spaced out voice) and therefore he was selected to be on the show as a millionaire? Sure he was a millionaire ... :rolleyes: Don't they check out their contestants?

[omsk99]

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2081213/jasmine_fiore_pictures_and_the_ryan.html

[Jester]

The woman in the Skyhomes website picture was his girlfriend, and Ryan is the son of a well known architect.

[BorderCollieMom]

I was really hoping for some good reporting on Nancy Grace tonight.

<sigh> It aint happening.

[Jester]

I was really hoping for some good reporting on Nancy Grace tonight.

<sigh> It aint happening.

She was all over it a couple of days ago when the suitcase was first found.

Here's some info: http://calgary.ctv.ca/ ... there's a video with interviews with his former girlfriends.

[Adalena935]

I hope they find him soon. Horrible. I feel so sorry for her parents, family and friends.

[MsBondJamesBond]

She grew up in Bonny Doon, in Santa Cruz County, CA, the location of the recent fire that's been on national news. The fire was named the Lockheed fire. You may have seen coverage of it. Here's a link to a local article with quotes from a member of a well known Santa Cruz family that owns a local institution where Fiore once worked, Shoppers Corner.

http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/localnews/ci_13160031

[ScoobyDoo]

I was really hoping for some good reporting on Nancy Grace tonight.

<sigh> It aint happening.

I can't say that the Buena Park police are my favorite people, but Nancy Grace was downright rude to the officer she spoke to tonight. By the way, the local news just reported there is a rumor that this person of interest is about to surrender himself to the Buena Park PD.

[BOZGAL2]

That guy gives me the CREEPIES.

What a nut case if he is the perp. JMO

[Jester]

Maybe he did go to Canada. That's probably the safest thing to do if he's guilty because he can't be extradited if there's a possibility of the death sentence.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/08/20/model.suitcase/index.html

"Ryan Alexander Jenkins, who appeared on two VH1 reality TV shows, matched the description of a man seen driving a boat in Blaine Marina off the coast of northwest Washington on Wednesday, the Whatcom County Sheriff's Office said.

Blaine, Washington, is very near the Canadian border.

Authorities searched the area and found Jenkins' black SUV with an empty boat trailer at the Blaine Marina, police said."

[Debb]

Ugh, I dont like Megan either, lol...I wished Sharon O would of got her even better than she did...but anyways...

The photo of Ryan on most news sites arent really recognizable to Megan/MM show watchers. His photo on the front page of TMZ is a great photo...thats what he looked like on the show...Im still just shocked over this. I love reality show but I dont know how in the world I got to watching Meg/MM.

Im sure Ryan will be found soon. I feel so sad for Jasmine & her friends & family. Her poor mom is distraught.

I read this guy was on I Love Money III, but I never saw that one. I did watch I and some of II. I don't even remember it being on. I also didn't watch Megan/MM. I didn't like her on Rock of Love, but still, I bet she is freaked out right now in light of the recent events. Don't those people do background checks? Very scary. I heard the show has been pulled from airing.

[Postergeist]

I read this guy was on I Love Money III, but I never saw that one. I did watch I and some of II. I don't even remember it being on. I also didn't watch Megan/MM. I didn't like her on Rock of Love, but still, I bet she is freaked out right now in light of the recent events. Don't those people do background checks? Very scary. I heard the show has been pulled from airing.

Hi Debb- it's not aired yet (ILM 3)- go to vh1 reality check (didn't want to put the link in, due to a pic of Ashley that well, is <koff> sort of busting out), KWIM. But apparently 3 & 4 may already be in the can per the site.

I bet VH1 will be amping up their background checks now!

scary

[Jester]

I read this guy was on I Love Money III, but I never saw that one. I did watch I and some of II. I don't even remember it being on. I also didn't watch Megan/MM. I didn't like her on Rock of Love, but still, I bet she is freaked out right now in light of the recent events. Don't those people do background checks? Very scary. I heard the show has been pulled from airing.

The show either does not do a background check, or they don't care about a criminal record. Ryan Jenkins has a conviction for assault from 2007. He is also connected with an investment fraud scam that is currently unfolding, although there are no charges at this time. His father is a well respected Architect so maybe, on the surface, Ryan looked squeaky clean.

[kelloggirl]

I can't say that the Buena Park police are my favorite people, but Nancy Grace was downright rude to the officer she spoke to tonight. By the way, the local news just reported there is a rumor that this person of interest is about to surrender himself to the Buena Park PD.

Yes, she was. I also am sure she didn't make this production choice herself, but it was so disrespectful how the camera kept zooming into the chest of the victim so that all you could see was her breasts in the picture. Ironic, given that Marc Klass was talking about giving the victim a little respect, please.

Doesn't seem like the rumor on the POI is true though, given that the POI has been seen near Canada. What a piece of work that guy is. I don't watch any of VH1's trash-tastic reality shows, and if I ever was tempted, I certainly won't be now.

[Jester]

Yes, she was. I also am sure she didn't make this production choice herself, but it was so disrespectful how the camera kept zooming into the chest of the victim so that all you could see was her breasts in the picture. Ironic, given that Marc Klass was talking about giving the victim a little respect, please.

Doesn't seem like the rumor on the POI is true though, given that the POI has been seen near Canada. What a piece of work that guy is. I don't watch any of VH1's trash-tastic reality shows, and if I ever was tempted, I certainly won't be now.

I'm surprised this case isn't getting more attention. We've got a yuppie from a privileged background that may have murdered (dismembered, I'm assuming, if there's blood and a suitcase) a model. This isn't some psycho with mental problems, but a regular guy that attracted the attention of all sorts of accomplished, successful people. Weird case.

I stand corrected ... on HLN now.

[Jester]

It looks like Ryan is back in Canada. He'll probably lawyer up, stay quiet, and see how long he can remain a free man. The police will have to rely on any circumstantial and forensic evidence to build a case against him, and only if the death penalty is removed can he be extradited.

[sunstar]

News conference with the Buena Park PD and US Marshal's office just ended. Arrest warrant for Jenkins. One vehicle, the SUV was found in Blaine (Washington) by the Canadian border. The boat was also found. The white Mercedes sedan is still unaccounted for. Suspect believed to be in Canada.

[starling]

Jasmine's Teeth and Fingers Were Removed
http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/20/cops-release-big-news-in-murdered-model-case/

[starling]

Jenkins mutilated body
http://www.calgarysun.com/news/alberta/2009/08/20/10539111.html

[sunstar]

On Nancy Grace's show now.

[flipflop]

Jasmine's Teeth and Fingers Were Removed
http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/20/cops-release-big-news-in-murdered-model-case/

That is awful. :scared:

[BOZGAL2]

OMG
How disturbing and horrible.
Of course we know why he did it, but it is still disgusting.

My prayers and thoughts are with her poor family.

[sunstar]

Jenkins mutilated body
http://www.calgarysun.com/news/alberta/2009/08/20/10539111.html

Obviously the perp didn't want her to be easily identified. But how sadistic to take the time to remove her fingers and smash or pull out all her teeth. :flamemad:

[lune3]

OMG I feel so awful for what Jasmine endured with this psychopath.
My heart goes out to her poor family.

Apparently he struck Jasmine before...
http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/20/ryan-jenkins-jasmine-fiore-murder-wife-battery-las-vegas/

And this, a copy of the email Jenkins sent to Jasmine. Reading between the lines shows how scary this man is...controlling, manipulative, placing all blame on Jasmine as though she was the one who needed to "behave", ...full of frightening red flags.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/20/ryans-email-to-jasmine/

The text message sent to the ex boyfriend probably set this monster off into a rage.

I hope he is caught, ... and fast.

[~jomomma~]

geeeezzzz!!!!! :scared:

[vonna]

geeeezzzz!!!!! :scared:

I hope that criminal is soon behind bars where he belongs.

[sunstar]

I hope that criminal is soon behind bars where he belongs.

He's one very frightening guy. I hope he's caught soon too before anybody else falls for his smooth talking lies. MOO

[lune3]

"One count of murder with malice aforethought was filed against Ryan Jenkins on Thursday afternoon in the death of former model Jasmine Fiore, 28."

Malice aforethought assumes premeditation right? Could they have evidence that this was actually premeditated rather than say a fit of jealous rage?

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090820/national/reality_contestant_slaying

The same article states that his mother went to Seattle to meet her son due to a "family emergency" yesterday. Wasn't Jenkins already being looked for by authorities yesterday? If so, either she didn't know or she didn't alert LE.

What a horrible thing for Jenkin's parents to have to deal with, finding out their son is a savage killer, though I suspect they must be in denial with the shock.

[sunstar]

"One count of murder with malice aforethought was filed against Ryan Jenkins on Thursday afternoon in the death of former model Jasmine Fiore, 28."

Malice aforethought assumes premeditation right? Could they have evidence that this was actually premeditated rather than say a fit of jealous rage?

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090820/national/reality_contestant_slaying

The same article states that his mother went to Seattle to meet her son due to a "family emergency" yesterday. Wasn't Jenkins already being looked for by authorities yesterday? If so, either she didn't know or she didn't alert LE.

What a horrible thing for Jenkin's parents to have to deal with, finding out their son is a savage killer, though I suspect they must be in denial with the shock.
Yes he was being looked for but the warrant wasn't issued until today. Good timing for her to possibly get out of being charged herself, and maybe why the LE officer at the news conference said what he did today about anybody helping him. MOO

[Jester]

Jasmine's Teeth and Fingers Were Removed
http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/20/cops-release-big-news-in-murdered-model-case/

A $10 million dollar bail on this guy? Whew! He's in trouble. I have a feeling that the bounty hunters won't be allowed to pack guns and chase down Ryan in Canada ... t'would be kidnapping, and result in charges. Guns can't be taken across the border either.

I have to wonder how he got into the US with a criminal record. Maybe it's just drug convictions that stop people at the border, but I thought it was all criminal convictions.

I'm shocked. I really am. I can't imagine how this guy went from privileged son of an architect, regular guy, to guy that strangles his wife, removes her teeth and fingers to prevent identification, and flees the country. I wonder if he killed her after the poker game, spent the day trying to hide her body and make her unidentifiable, and then called it in as a missing person. He probably thought he had lots of time, but then her body was discovered quickly, and he had to change plans and get out of town. Wow ... that's all I can say.

[Jester]

Jenkins mutilated body
http://www.calgarysun.com/news/alberta/2009/08/20/10539111.html

All his "wheeling dealing" investment fraud stuff is going to come out now too ... up to his eyeballs in mud.

[Jester]

OMG I feel so awful for what Jasmine endured with this psychopath.
My heart goes out to her poor family.

Apparently he struck Jasmine before...
http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/20/ryan-jenkins-jasmine-fiore-murder-wife-battery-las-vegas/

And this, a copy of the email Jenkins sent to Jasmine. Reading between the lines shows how scary this man is...controlling, manipulative, placing all blame on Jasmine as though she was the one who needed to "behave", ...full of frightening red flags.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/20/ryans-email-to-jasmine/

The text message sent to the ex boyfriend probably set this monster off into a rage.

I hope he is caught, ... and fast.

"as I know about behavioral science, I can only help so much"

What is that all about? Behavioral science? Social science? What is he talking about? He can only help her so much? Like you said ... he makes it sound like she has problems. I doubt he has any formal education ... just a guess ... so using a phrase like "behavioral science" is, in my opinion, dropping phrases his dad uses - trying to make himself sound intelligent and educated. Manipulative and talking down.

[Rucky*Ron]

It looks like Ryan is back in Canada. He'll probably lawyer up, stay quiet, and see how long he can remain a free man. The police will have to rely on any circumstantial and forensic evidence to build a case against him, and only if the death penalty is removed can he be extradited.

I was aware this was the case with Mexico, but did not know this about Canada.
If correct, it's a real shame.

MOO

[Jester]

"One count of murder with malice aforethought was filed against Ryan Jenkins on Thursday afternoon in the death of former model Jasmine Fiore, 28."

Malice aforethought assumes premeditation right? Could they have evidence that this was actually premeditated rather than say a fit of jealous rage?

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090820/national/reality_contestant_slaying

The same article states that his mother went to Seattle to meet her son due to a "family emergency" yesterday. Wasn't Jenkins already being looked for by authorities yesterday? If so, either she didn't know or she didn't alert LE.

What a horrible thing for Jenkin's parents to have to deal with, finding out their son is a savage killer, though I suspect they must be in denial with the shock.

There must be plenty of evidence in the apt of his participation in the murder. Murder charges can't be brought simply because he left the country, I hope.

If he graduated Mount Royal College in 1999, then he finished high school in 1995, screwed around for a couple of years, and completed a 2 year program at MRC when he was 22.

"Jenkins, variously described as an architect, real estate developer and investment banker ..."

He's definitely not an architect, and his investment banking experience was probably learned through smooth talking people out of money ... don't need any training/education to call yourself an investment whatever.

I suspect his parents are devastated and want to talk to him with a lawyer before he meets with police. I suspect they want to hear what he has to say ... but if he's involved, I don't see his parents tossing their reputations down the toilet to protect him.

[Jester]

I was aware this was the case with Mexico, but did not know this about Canada.
If correct, it's a real shame.

MOO

Canada does not have the death penalty and will not extradite unless the death penalty is taken off the table. Charles Ng is a famous case where extradition delayed justice ( http://articles.latimes.com/1989-10-27/news/mn-611_1_charles-ng ).

If he's in the US, the bounty hunters will be all over him. If he's in Canada, they can't touch him unless they kidnap him - criminal offense. If the RCMP find him, he'll be detained, and the legal process will begin. The US courts will have to demonstrate probable cause before he can be extradited, and if that is provided, then there are other conditions - like removing the death penalty. If he's in Canada, he'll avoid prosecution for quite some time, I think.

[HALE 2d GNAW]

OMG I feel so awful for what Jasmine endured with this psychopath.
My heart goes out to her poor family.

Apparently he struck Jasmine before...
http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/20/ryan-jenkins-jasmine-fiore-murder-wife-battery-las-vegas/

And this, a copy of the email Jenkins sent to Jasmine. Reading between the lines shows how scary this man is...controlling, manipulative, placing all blame on Jasmine as though she was the one who needed to "behave", ...full of frightening red flags.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/20/ryans-email-to-jasmine/

The text message sent to the ex boyfriend probably set this monster off into a rage.

I hope he is caught, ... and fast.

THat email of his was so transparent. What a psycho.

There was a clip on HLN tonight from the Megan wanna show. Never heard of it before this case tho. It shows him trying to woo Megan. She is being slightly coy when she doesn't promise to fall in bed with him asap. Asks her "is this your best date ever?" She says "maybe"

From that wee exchange, he opines in his alone time w/camera that he might not have enough time to win her over. Feels like she might not drop her guard completely for him w/out more time. After reading that email, it was beyond creepy. To me psycho doesn't know if Megan will fall completely in love with his charms aka mind games and manipulation. That type always preys only on the one they believe controllable. Can't stand the rejection of those who don't buy his utter bs. It makes me sick to my stomach to see him trying to put on puppet shows. Jasmine apparently no longer willing to be his punching bag.

He is filming this Megan show AFTER they are married in Vegas, is that right?

Re the BMW in WA, wonder how he got out of town with both cars. Maybe BMW was a plant and he headed south of the border in the benz? Just thinking out loud. At one point, I thought I heard his ultimate destination could be Hondoras. :shrug:

[Jester]

THat email of his was so transparent. What a psycho.

There was a clip on HLN tonight from the Megan wanna show. Never heard of it before this case tho. It shows him trying to woo Megan. She is being slightly coy when she doesn't promise to fall in bed with him asap. Asks her "is this your best date ever?" She says "maybe"

From that wee exchange, he opines in his alone time w/camera that he might not have enough time to win her over. Feels like she might not drop her guard completely for him w/out more time. After reading that email, it was beyond creepy. To me psycho doesn't know if Megan will fall completely in love with his charms aka mind games and manipulation. That type always preys only on the one they believe controllable. Can't stand the rejection of those who don't buy his utter bs. It makes me sick to my stomach to see him trying to put on puppet shows. Jasmine apparently no longer willing to be his punching bag.

He is filming this Megan show AFTER they are married in Vegas, is that right?

Re the BMW in WA, wonder how he got out of town with both cars. Maybe BMW was a plant and he headed south of the border in the benz? Just thinking out loud. At one point, I thought I heard his ultimate destination could be Hondoras. :shrug:

One of the media outlets said his dad was in Honduras, but he was actually in Mexico. They expected him to head for the Canadian border ... I thought he'd head to Mexico to meet his dad.

His Skyhomes website seems to be somewhat down ... not opening for me anymore. There were two employees, Ryan and his then girlfriend. She's very attractive and she appeared to be an equal partner. She was interviewed and appeared poised and well spoken. I've got a snapshot of the page ... will post it in a minute.

They have two cars. She either drove to the poker game or they met somewhere and he drove. Maybe her car is where ever she left it before the poker game? Maybe she went out on her own on Saturday and left her car somewhere ... then the murderer took her back to the trash bin outside her apartment? That doesn't sound right. It sounds like she was killed in the apartment ... and where was he at that time? Where was he when he reported her missing?

[lune3]

One of the media outlets said his dad was in Honduras, but he was actually in Mexico. They expected him to head for the Canadian border ... I thought he'd head to Mexico to meet his dad.

His Skyhomes website seems to be somewhat down ... not opening for me anymore. There were two employees, Ryan and his then girlfriend. She's very attractive and she appeared to be an equal partner. She was interviewed and appeared poised and well spoken. I've got a snapshot of the page ... will post it in a minute.

They have two cars. She either drove to the poker game or they met somewhere and he drove. Maybe her car is where ever she left it before the poker game? Maybe she went out on her own on Saturday and left her car somewhere ... then the murderer took her back to the trash bin outside her apartment? That doesn't sound right. It sounds like she was killed in the apartment ... and where was he at that time? Where was he when he reported her missing?

Evidently he was in Seattle on Wednesday. His mother went down due to a "family emergency", according to the link I posted upthread.
I think he did get to Vancouver, his boat was found.

I noticed this, a so far unidentified male body found in Stanley Park late today:
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/cbc/090820/canada/canada_britishcolumbia_bc_stanley_park_body

Could it be? Where can he run? He has no transport now. I can't imagine his parents are aiding him to hide. There's a manhunt for this savage, a warrant. But who knows?

ETA....thinking now, after what he did to mutilate Jasmine, I don't think this guy would commit suicide. He's too much of a sociopath and psycho combined.

[Jester]

Just looked at the NG transcripts ... I think the family has already retained Alain Hepner ... he's one of the best criminal lawyers, and he previously defended Ryan on the assault charge ... had it reduced to a 15 month suspended sentence ... good behavior = no criminal record.

[Jester]

Evidently he was in Seattle on Wednesday. His mother went down due to a "family emergency", according to the link I posted upthread.
I think he did get to Vancouver, his boat was found.

I noticed this, a so far unidentified male body found in Stanley Park late today:
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/cbc/090820/canada/canada_britishcolumbia_bc_stanley_park_body

Could it be? Where can he run? He has no transport now. I can't imagine his parents are aiding him to hide. There's a manhunt for this savage, a warrant. But who knows?

ETA....thinking now, after what he did to mutilate Jasmine, I don't think this guy would commit suicide. He's too much of a sociopath and psycho combined.

He must have called his parents ... but when ... to tell them that his wife had been missing for 12 hours? He was with her Friday night (presumably into the morning) ... and that night he reports her missing even though they are not getting along??? I wonder if he'd missed the news and didn't realize the body was found, or if it was found around the same time her reported her missing. By Tuesday the body was identified, Wednesday he met with his mom ... asked for money and advice. Did she bring him the boat? Where did he get the boat from?

I think his parents are well connected. Someone may agree to allow him to meet with a lawyer before being detained or giving himself up? I don't think he'll stay on the run, I think he's on the run to get home and talk to a lawyer ... then he'll turn himself in perhaps in Vancouver, otherwise in Calgary where Alain Hepner lives.

[Jester]

Evidently he was in Seattle on Wednesday. His mother went down due to a "family emergency", according to the link I posted upthread.
I think he did get to Vancouver, his boat was found.

I noticed this, a so far unidentified male body found in Stanley Park late today:
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/cbc/090820/canada/canada_britishcolumbia_bc_stanley_park_body

Could it be? Where can he run? He has no transport now. I can't imagine his parents are aiding him to hide. There's a manhunt for this savage, a warrant. But who knows?

ETA....thinking now, after what he did to mutilate Jasmine, I don't think this guy would commit suicide. He's too much of a sociopath and psycho combined.

I think the mutilation was a desperate attempt to make sure she wasn't found. I think he was expecting the dumpster to be emptied soon ... and I think the homeless guy or building manager (don't remember which found the body) said it would have been picked up quickly had he not poked around in the dumpster. She was probably murdered after the poker game, and I suspect he spent the day trying to figure out what to do. I think eventually he decided to hide the body, and then over-thought all the ways it could be connected to him ... for some reason, he didn't put her in the back of his car and drive off - which is odd. They were already on the skids, so if she disappeared and he left town ... who would be the wiser? Her roommate? Her ex-boyfriend?

[lune3]

He must have called his parents ... but when ... to tell them that his wife had been missing for 12 hours? He was with her Friday night (presumably into the morning) ... and that night he reports her missing even though they are not getting along??? I wonder if he'd missed the news and didn't realize the body was found, or if it was found around the same time her reported her missing. By Tuesday the body was identified, Wednesday he met with his mom ... asked for money and advice. Did she bring him the boat? Where did he get the boat from?

I think his parents are well connected. Someone may agree to allow him to meet with a lawyer before being detained or giving himself up? I don't think he'll stay on the run, I think he's on the run to get home and talk to a lawyer ... then he'll turn himself in perhaps in Vancouver, otherwise in Calgary where Alain Hepner lives.

I think you're right. He probably called his parents. His father flew back from Mexico where he was on business. (The Honduras connection is that his father owns/runs/built a housing complex there and earlier there was speculation Jenkins may get down there).

I also expect he will turn himself in with the lawyer.

I read that his vehicle and boat trailer were found abandoned in Washington, and the boat on the Canadian side. I think it was on the TMZ site.

[Jester]

I think you're right. He probably called his parents. His father flew back from Mexico where he was on business. (The Honduras connection is that his father owns/runs/built a housing complex there and earlier there was speculation Jenkins may get down there).

I also expect he will turn himself in with the lawyer.

I read that his vehicle and boat trailer were found abandoned in Washington, and the boat on the Canadian side. I think it was on the TMZ site.

I guess there's a little piece of land where you can park your boat on the US side of the border and basically walk across the border ... or run. I heard that's what he did ... so the boat and SUV were found on the US side.

[lune3]

I guess there's a little piece of land where you can park your boat on the US side of the border and basically walk across the border ... or run. I heard that's what he did ... so the boat and SUV were found on the US side.

" His car and an empty boat trailer were found at a marina in Blaine, just south of Vancouver.

A boat belonging to Jenkins was found at Point Roberts, U.S. territory just south of Vancouver that is at the tip of a peninsula and can only be reached by land from Canada, said Monson.

"It is now our belief that he has crossed the border on foot," he said. "We are currently working with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police in our attempts to locate him."

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090820/national/reality_contestant_slaying

I guess Blaine is still in Washington, since Vancouver is right near the border? Then he took the boat to Point Roberts, and from there walked into Canada.

ETA, this map shows Blaine is right at the border on the US side.
http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=blaine&state=WA&flv=1

[Jester]

He left the SUV and boat trailer in Blaine, put the boat in the water, went to Point Roberts; where the boat was found, walked across the border, and his mom could have been waiting for him.

[Jester]

" His car and an empty boat trailer were found at a marina in Blaine, just south of Vancouver.

A boat belonging to Jenkins was found at Point Roberts, U.S. territory just south of Vancouver that is at the tip of a peninsula and can only be reached by land from Canada, said Monson.

"It is now our belief that he has crossed the border on foot," he said. "We are currently working with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police in our attempts to locate him."

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090820/national/reality_contestant_slaying

I guess Blaine is still in Washington, since Vancouver is right near the border? Then he took the boat to Point Roberts, and from there walked into Canada.

ETA, this map shows Blaine is right at the border on the US side.
http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=blaine&state=WA&flv=1

Thanks ... I was just looking for the same information ... and the map too ... was wondering how far it was by water and how close it was to mom's house.

How many murderers go straight to mom when ... too many.

[HALE 2d GNAW]

Just looked at the NG transcripts ... I think the family has already retained Alain Hepner ... he's one of the best criminal lawyers, and he previously defended Ryan on the assault charge ... had it reduced to a 15 month suspended sentence ... good behavior = no criminal record.


I caught a clip of some HLN rerun not sure if JVM NG. I didn't hear AH say that he has been retained. Recap of what clip I saw:

AH was asked about his client and to describe him. AH said he was just another client. AH doesn't get involved personally or emotionally. I sensed that AH was attempting (however lamely) to distance himself from Jasime heinous demise and his client's likely involvement. Said that he was a "designer" "condo desinger" "real estate developer" That his client ws treated just like any other "unfortunate DV case in Canada or US" Ryan fulfilled his sentencing requirements and moved on successfully. Nothing he noticed would indicate to him that Ryan was "guilty of the crimes your panel seems to already have convicted him of" :ohmy:

While AH had a very valid point about the public persecution and media sensationalism, it negated his attempts to distance himself from his client as he claimed he did earliewr in

TMZ says he he had a gun. Could be he killed himself after dumping his car and boat if he didn't want to lower his standards of living :barf: I will never understand why humans don't use guns on themselves before they go seeking revenge and owning loved ones. Leaving their psychobabble journal entries for us survivors like it validates them. I digress.

If I removed teeth and fingers of anyone, even my worst enemy, I'd just have to put myself out of my misery. but I bet for Ryan it wasn't enough Is mommy dearest helping him?

car in WA, Boat in water in WA, 4 miles from border. Mercedes still not folund

[tisamystery]

Yipes, I went to Mount Royal College (albeit many, many moons ago.)

As for Point Roberts, it is part of WA state but is not connected by land to WA. You have to drive through Canada. It's an extremely small community and, when I lived in Vancouver in the seventies, kids who lived in Point Roberts had to take the school bus through two borders (Canadian/American) to get to school. At that time at least half the residents were Canadians who had cabins there. Once you cross into Canada, however, you're pretty much in the suburbs of Vancouver, as I remember. Pretty easy then to disappear quickly.

While there are many places along the WA/ British Columbia border where one could sneak across, I suspect Point Roberts would be desirable since who there would expect him to cross there, seeing as how he couldn't do so by car? The border is sort of loosie-goosie there because the folks in BC travel back and forth to their cabins all the time and there's really nowhere to go. Yep, a sleepy little area like that would be easy to sneak through.

[HALE 2d GNAW]

I think you're right. He probably called his parents. His father flew back from Mexico where he was on business. (The Honduras connection is that his father owns/runs/built a housing complex there and earlier there was speculation Jenkins may get down there).

I also expect he will turn himself in with the lawyer.

I read that his vehicle and boat trailer were found abandoned in Washington, and the boat on the Canadian side. I think it was on the TMZ site.

There is an international manhunt for Jenkins. I highly doubt and sincerely hope his lawyer would not be on Headline News discussing him or his past case with some talking heads.

[lune3]

Thanks ... I was just looking for the same information ... and the map too ... was wondering how far it was by water and how close it was to mom's house.

How many murderers go straight to mom when ... too many.

You know, I'm wondering now....his mom went down to Seattle on Wednesday. It's possible she discussed and advised him regarding this plan to get him into Canada that way. Would Jenkins be aware of the Blaine/Pt Roberts route? He was from Calgary, I don't know if he would know of that possibility. But his mom could. She lives there now if I have my info correctly.
I wonder whether he actually bought the boat and trailer in Seattle.

[lune3]

There is an international manhunt for Jenkins. I highly doubt and sincerely hope his lawyer would not be on Headline News discussing him or his past case with some talking heads.

I sure wouldn't expect the lawyer to go on TV either.

[Jester]

I caught a clip of some HLN rerun not sure if JVM NG. I didn't hear AH say that he has been retained. Recap of what clip I saw:

AH was asked about his client and to describe him. AH said he was just another client. AH doesn't get involved personally or emotionally. I sensed that AH was attempting (however lamely) to distance himself from Jasime heinous demise and his client's likely involvement. Said that he was a "designer" "condo desinger" "real estate developer" That his client ws treated just like any other "unfortunate DV case in Canada or US" Ryan fulfilled his sentencing requirements and moved on successfully. Nothing he noticed would indicate to him that Ryan was "guilty of the crimes your panel seems to already have convicted him of" :ohmy:

While AH had a very valid point about the public persecution and media sensationalism, it negated his attempts to distance himself from his client as he claimed he did earliewr in

TMZ says he he had a gun. Could be he killed himself after dumping his car and boat if he didn't want to lower his standards of living :barf: I will never understand why humans don't use guns on themselves before they go seeking revenge and owning loved ones. Leaving their psychobabble journal entries for us survivors like it validates them. I digress.

If I removed teeth and fingers of anyone, even my worst enemy, I'd just have to put myself out of my misery. but I bet for Ryan it wasn't enough Is mommy dearest helping him?

car in WA, Boat in water in WA, 4 miles from border. Mercedes still not folund

I'm just guessing that Alain Hepner has been retained ... I didn't hear that ... it's just a guess. I'd be very surprised if he went to all the trouble of going to Blaine, then Point Roberts, eluding police, involving his family, only to kill himself. My guess is he wants to talk with a lawyer, and I suspect his parents advised him to return to Canadian soil ASAP.

[Jester]

Yipes, I went to Mount Royal College (albeit many, many moons ago.)

As for Point Roberts, it is part of WA state but is not connected by land to WA. You have to drive through Canada. It's an extremely small community and, when I lived in Vancouver in the seventies, kids who lived in Point Roberts had to take the school bus through two borders (Canadian/American) to get to school. At that time at least half the residents were Canadians who had cabins there. Once you cross into Canada, however, you're pretty much in the suburbs of Vancouver, as I remember. Pretty easy then to disappear quickly.

While there are many places along the WA/ British Columbia border where one could sneak across, I suspect Point Roberts would be desirable since who there would expect him to cross there, seeing as how he couldn't do so by car? The border is sort of loosie-goosie there because the folks in BC travel back and forth to their cabins all the time and there's really nowhere to go. Yep, a sleepy little area like that would be easy to sneak through.

I read somewhere that it's a drug crossing point because it's a loose border.

[Jester]

You know, I'm wondering now....his mom went down to Seattle on Wednesday. It's possible she discussed and advised him regarding this plan to get him into Canada that way. Would Jenkins be aware of the Blaine/Pt Roberts route? He was from Calgary, I don't know if he would know of that possibility. But his mom could. She lives there now if I have my info correctly.
I wonder whether he actually bought the boat and trailer in Seattle.

I think you're right ... mom probably advised him how to get to Canada as quietly as possible. Dad is heading home. Crisis in the family ... follow dad, and you find the son.

[Jester]

I sure wouldn't expect the lawyer to go on TV either.

I think the lawyer was contacted by NG and he went on record to say that he was defense counsel for Ryan in the 2005 charges ... other than that, he said nothing. He said it was a job, he did his job, and that's that.

[HALE 2d GNAW]

You know, I'm wondering now....his mom went down to Seattle on Wednesday. It's possible she discussed and advised him regarding this plan to get him into Canada that way. Would Jenkins be aware of the Blaine/Pt Roberts route? He was from Calgary, I don't know if he would know of that possibility. But his mom could. She lives there now if I have my info correctly.
I wonder whether he actually bought the boat and trailer in Seattle.


But with his BMW and boat? Wouldn't that take planning before mommy got called to cuddle her psycho? No one is safe with this deviant.

Does that suv come standard with a boat hitch b/cthe media reports are that LE knew it was his boat. Not sure how or why. I am wondering if this wasn't spur of the moment after discovering the text, etc. Did he ponder his what if scenarios aka escape plans over time?

That email says he knows he is losing her. He's pulling out all the stops to manipulate her into giving him another chance. If he ever had one. IMO

[Jester]

But with his BMW and boat? Wouldn't that take planning before mommy got called to cuddle her psycho? No one is safe with this deviant.

Does that suv come standard with a boat hitch b/cthe media reports are that LE knew it was his boat. Not sure how or why. I am wondering if this wasn't spur of the moment after discovering the text, etc. Did he ponder his what if scenarios aka escape plans over time?

That email says he knows he is losing her. He's pulling out all the stops to manipulate her into giving him another chance. If he ever had one. IMO

I bet the GPS comes with all sorts of extras ... maybe he used that to figure out the best route out of the country.

In fairness to mom, his business dealings in the last few years are with dad, so I suspect mom is just the middle person right now.

I heard a couple of days ago that he may have switched license plates on the vehicles ... so no one knew what exactly they were looking for. Even early reports have a generic Alberta license plate rather than the number for his vehicle.

My guess is he had the day to overthink it. If it was pre-meditated, he would have had a better plan than to cut off her fingers, take out her teeth, and hope the dumpster was emptied before the suitcase was discovered.

I'm wondering where the boat came from too.

"Jenkins, a 32-year-old Canadian, is believed to have slapped the license plate from his BMW on Fiore's 2007 white Mercedes-Benz before heading north for the border. (that didn't happen)

TMZ.com reported that Jenkins flipped out after intercepting a text message to Fiore from her former flame.

"Suck it," Jenkins reportedly replied, using Fiore's phone, according to TMZ.com."


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2009/08/19/2009-08-19_reality_star_ryan_alexander_jenkins_a_person_of _interest_in_murder_of_swimsuit_m.html#ixzz0OeeBs1 VF

[HALE 2d GNAW]

WHOAH! His resume claims he is a licensed pilot?


A resume posted on the professional networking site LinkedIn.com says Jenkins graduated from Mount Royal College in Calgary in 1999, has a licence to fly commercial airplanes and worked in investment sales and as president of a boutique development company focused on cutting-edge green technologies.


http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090820/entertainment/reality_contestant_slaying

That certainly explains air, land and sea search. I hope he didn't have access to wings :(

[Jester]

WHOAH! His resume claims he is a licensed pilot?

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090820/entertainment/reality_contestant_slaying

That certainly explains air, land and sea search. I hope he didn't have access to wings :(

I think police released information that he's cut off her fingers, beat her badly, and removed her teeth so ensure that no one helps him. No one would want to help a monster like that. Without knowing those details, it could sound more like a crime of passions. It probably was a crime of passion ... and then he tried to hide the evidence.

[lune3]

WHOAH! His resume claims he is a licensed pilot?

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090820/entertainment/reality_contestant_slaying

That certainly explains air, land and sea search. I hope he didn't have access to wings :(

Now that you mention it, I believe I read somewhere that his dad has a plane. If true, I wonder where he keeps it.

[Jester]

Now that you mention it, I believe I read somewhere that his dad has a plane. If true, I wonder where he keeps it.

Dan Jenkins is said to have a 19 seater plane, and that he was flying from Mexico to Canada today. He's probably flying to Vancouver.

[Jester]

Police in California have said that Jenkins has a gun. How easy would it be for him to buy a gun, and why would someone who has never been around guns (Canadian) buy a gun?

If it turns out that he doesn't have a gun, and has nothing to do with guns, I think people will look at him more as innocent ... that the police have very little and are exaggerating.

Another interesting point I read is that Jenkins entered Canada illegally and could be expelled.

[HALE 2d GNAW]

I bet the GPS comes with all sorts of extras ... maybe he used that to figure out the best route out of the country.

In fairness to mom, his business dealings in the last few years are with dad, so I suspect mom is just the middle person right now.

I heard a couple of days ago that he may have switched license plates on the vehicles ... so no one knew what exactly they were looking for. Even early reports have a generic Alberta license plate rather than the number for his vehicle.

My guess is he had the day to overthink it. If it was pre-meditated, he would have had a better plan than to cut off her fingers, take out her teeth, and hope the dumpster was emptied before the suitcase was discovered.

I'm wondering where the boat came from too.

"Jenkins, a 32-year-old Canadian, is believed to have slapped the license plate from his BMW on Fiore's 2007 white Mercedes-Benz before heading north for the border. (that didn't happen)

TMZ.com reported that Jenkins flipped out after intercepting a text message to Fiore from her former flame.

"Suck it," Jenkins reportedly replied, using Fiore's phone, according to TMZ.com."


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2009/08/19/2009-08-19_reality_star_ryan_alexander_jenkins_a_person_of _interest_in_murder_of_swimsuit_m.html#ixzz0OeeBs1 VF


Anyone so callous as to dismember a loved one's teeth and fingers, didn't just kill in a rage of passion, anger or anything else. He stuiffed her nude body in a suitcase, then dumped it like a bag of garbage.

He had the wherewithall to think he could remove her prints dental records. Had the unmitigated gall to go to LE and say he last saw her with a packed suitcase heading for Vegas. Then decides his best option is to speed away with his boat to some remote US/Canadian port? I am more inclined to believe he had fantasies of how to possibly take care of Jasmine if she she didn't take care of him and respect his needs and wishes (and whatever else his sicko email demanded)

I think Ryan put some thought into what if....

he allowed himself to act on his violent impulses

I could be completely wrong but I juust can't fathom how one extracts teeth from the unresponsive body alleged to be the love of his life. I so hope he's found alive. His fate would he consider it to be worse than death :glare:

[lune3]

I think police released information that he's cut off her fingers, beat her badly, and removed her teeth so ensure that no one helps him. No one would want to help a monster like that. Without knowing those details, it could sound more like a crime of passions. It probably was a crime of passion ... and then he tried to hide the evidence.

I think so too, much as it's so additionally shocking for Jasmine's family. It's just strange that he wouldn't have taken her out to some remote place, the desert, the wilderness. Lots of places to hide a body never to be found. I also shudder to think of where he could have mutilated her like that. In a building where evidence would be left? I can't understand why she was found in a populated area.

[HALE 2d GNAW]

Police in California have said that Jenkins has a gun. How easy would it be for him to buy a gun, and why would someone who has never been around guns (Canadian) buy a gun?

If it turns out that he doesn't have a gun, and has nothing to do with guns, I think people will look at him more as innocent ... that the police have very little and are exaggerating.

Another interesting point I read is that Jenkins entered Canada illegally and could be expelled.

Gee. I can't imagine why such a catch like him would need or want a gun.:rolleyes: How hard could it possibly be for him to obtain one?

If he can fish and fly and play cards and assault women, I'd imagine he can hunt. Or at least make a feeble attempt to hunt down his prey

Not sure what you saying about LE exaggerating and people might think to look at him more innocent. Not my peeps anyway.

Jenkins could be expelled from Canada for murdering Jasime too. I highly doubt his illegal entry and expulsion status is at the top of his survival list. Assuming he has the will. Crossing the border will save his sorry ash from a possible death penalty if he is convicted of the charges against him.

Hmmmm

[Jester]

Anyone so callous as to dismember a loved one's teeth and fingers, didn't just kill in a rage of passion, anger or anything else. He stuiffed her nude body in a suitcase, then dumped it like a bag of garbage.

He had the wherewithall to think he could remove her prints dental records. Had the unmitigated gall to go to LE and say he last saw her with a packed suitcase heading for Vegas. Then decides his best option is to speed away with his boat to some remote US/Canadian port? I am more inclined to believe he had fantasies of how to possibly take care of Jasmine if she she didn't take care of him and respect his needs and wishes (and whatever else his sicko email demanded)

I think Ryan put some thought into what if....

he allowed himself to act on his violent impulses

I could be completely wrong but I juust can't fathom how one extracts teeth from the unresponsive body alleged to be the love of his life. I so hope he's found alive. His fate would he consider it to be worse than death :glare:

He tried to get away with it ... no doubt ... the wheeler dealer ... thought he had an answer for everything. This guy talked people out of their money for real estate investments ... and some of those people have just realized (a couple of weeks ago) they've been swindled and are filing court documents to retrieve the money.

I think he believed he could have whatever he wanted ... could do whatever he wanted ... and that his entire life got out of control. I think he would not accept the fact that he couldn't have people as possessions if he wanted - she was more connected to her ex-boyfriend than she was to him. He was threatened by that. I think he lost his temper, beat her, and then tried to hide the crime ... doing whatever he thought he had to do to get away with it. I don't understand why he didn't put the suitcase in the car and drive into the desert ... that seems more like the premeditated thing to do.

I'm sure he'll be found alive. A guy like that in jail ... for murdering a pinup? I don't think he'd live long.

[HALE 2d GNAW]

I think police released information that he's cut off her fingers, beat her badly, and removed her teeth so ensure that no one helps him. No one would want to help a monster like that. Without knowing those details, it could sound more like a crime of passions. It probably was a crime of passion ... and then he tried to hide the evidence.

Do you realize that LE did not release that information? It was contained in the murder complaint filed by the State of CA aka the prosecuting office.

But if you wish to show compassion for Ryan Jenkins, be my guest. It seems crystal clear to me.

[lune3]

Anyone so callous as to dismember a loved one's teeth and fingers, didn't just kill in a rage of passion, anger or anything else. He stuiffed her nude body in a suitcase, then dumped it like a bag of garbage.

He had the wherewithall to think he could remove her prints dental records. Had the unmitigated gall to go to LE and say he last saw her with a packed suitcase heading for Vegas. Then decides his best option is to speed away with his boat to some remote US/Canadian port? I am more inclined to believe he had fantasies of how to possibly take care of Jasmine if she she didn't take care of him and respect his needs and wishes (and whatever else his sicko email demanded)

I think Ryan put some thought into what if....

he allowed himself to act on his violent impulses

I could be completely wrong but I juust can't fathom how one extracts teeth from the unresponsive body alleged to be the love of his life. I so hope he's found alive. His fate would he consider it to be worse than death :glare:

Bolded by me.

He reported her as missing on Friday night. Then he said she took off for Vegas? This was a mistake. He should have said nothing. After all, their marriage was annulled in May then he convinced her to come back to him (according to Jasmine's mom). So they went to San Diego for a poker thing one day. Lousy time. What's suspicious about a girl taking off when the relationship is going sour? She was from Vegas anyway. Went home. Eventually she would have "gone missing" if family/friends didn't hear from her for some time. By then anything could have occurred, in Vegas, anywhere. He brought attention to himself.

[Jester]

Gee. I can't imagine why such a catch like him would need or want a gun.:rolleyes: How hard could it possibly be for him to obtain one?

If he can fish and fly and play cards and assault women, I'd imagine he can hunt. Or at least make a feeble attempt to hunt down his prey

Not sure what you saying about LE exaggerating and people might think to look at him more innocent. Not my peeps anyway.

Jenkins could be expelled from Canada for murdering Jasime too. I highly doubt his illegal entry and expulsion status is at the top of his survival list. Assuming he has the will. Crossing the border will save his sorry ash from a possible death penalty if he is convicted of the charges against him.

Hmmmm

Mom and dad wanted him on the Canadian side of the border as fast as possible ... probably for that very reason: capital punishment. There's a bit of a debate brewing in parliament about the death penalty ... another Alberta man coincidentally. The Prime Minister said ... let him rot in a Montana prison ... but lawyers are saying that's not consistent with Canadian law.

[Jester]

His assault charge was with the woman that was his fiance for 2.5 years and was his business partner with skyhome.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/08/20/jenkins.calgary.pdf

[Jester]

Her "mother figure" didn't know she'd been married?

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/08/21/lkl.jasmine.fiore/index.html

"Gwendolyn Beauregard said Fiore was a close friend of her two sons, and she met the future model when Fiore was just 11. Despite the close ties -- "she called me mommy and she was my daughter" -- Beauregard was in the dark about Fiore's marriage to Ryan Jenkins. The marriage reportedly was annulled a few weeks after their Las Vegas, Nevada, wedding."

[HALE 2d GNAW]

He tried to get away with it ... no doubt ... the wheeler dealer ... thought he had an answer for everything. This guy talked people out of their money for real estate investments ... and some of those people have just realized (a couple of weeks ago) they've been swindled and are filing court documents to retrieve the money.

I think he believed he could have whatever he wanted ... could do whatever he wanted ... and that his entire life got out of control. I think he would not accept the fact that he couldn't have people as possessions if he wanted - she was more connected to her ex-boyfriend than she was to him. He was threatened by that. I think he lost his temper, beat her, and then tried to hide the crime ... doing whatever he thought he had to do to get away with it. I don't understand why he didn't put the suitcase in the car and drive into the desert ... that seems more like the premeditated thing to do.

I'm sure he'll be found alive. A guy like that in jail ... for murdering a pinup? I don't think he'd live long.

I would laugh if it wasn't so sad.

"It seems more like the premeditated thing to do" You mean like leave in the dessert like black widow did to her husband? the wrestler and his wife did to his girlfriend? Have you have put some thought into open dessert vs closed suitcase in dumpser? Odd to me.

You say he'll be found alive. But don't think he'll live long in prison. Do share your thought on how that will work out. If he is alive and never goes to prison, do you fancy him innocent and free?

Why would a pinup killer be have a short life in prison?

[Jester]

Bolded by me.

He reported her as missing on Friday night. Then he said she took off for Vegas? This was a mistake. He should have said nothing. After all, their marriage was annulled in May then he convinced her to come back to him (according to Jasmine's mom). So they went to San Diego for a poker thing one day. Lousy time. What's suspicious about a girl taking off when the relationship is going sour? She was from Vegas anyway. Went home. Eventually she would have "gone missing" if family/friends didn't hear from her for some time. By then anything could have occurred, in Vegas, anywhere. He brought attention to himself.

I thought they were playing poker on Friday night, or was that just him? ... and that he reported her missing on Saturday night, the same night the body was found? If it was premeditated and he'd been able to think with a clear head, he probably would have not reported it, and driven into the desert ... but instead he reported it. An innocent man would report his wife missing ... but right after he put her in the dumpster - after removing her fingers and teeth? ... an annulled marriage husband should have waited days, rather than a few hours, to report her missing.

He did bring attention onto himself. I don't think he's all that bright. His father is the architect, he was riding on daddy's coattails with the architecture, real estate, and investment banker business claims ... which he turned into scams.

[Jester]

I would laugh if it wasn't so sad.

"It seems more like the premeditated thing to do" You mean like leave in the dessert like black widow did to her husband? the wrestler and his wife did to his girlfriend? Have you have put some thought into open dessert vs closed suitcase in dumpser? Odd to me.

You say he'll be found alive. But don't think he'll live long in prison. Do share your thought on how that will work out. If he is alive and never goes to prison, do you fancy him innocent and free?

Why would a pinup killer be have a short life in prison?

I think guys in jail are fond of pin-up girls. This guy is a dweeb ... not hardcore, like a criminal ... I don't think he'd be too popular in prison - although his millions (cough, sputter ... someone's millions) could probably buy him a reprieve.

If he had premeditated this murder, he should have had a better plan than putting her in her suitcase in the dumpster behind the apartment just before he phoned police to report her missing ... he'd know better than to make a missing person's report on a woman that had her marriage with him annulled in May (married in March). It's not like he was responsible for her ... in anyone's eyes. Their relationship was on the rocks. I'm saying that I don't think it was premeditated.

[Jester]

Do you realize that LE did not release that information? It was contained in the murder complaint filed by the State of CA aka the prosecuting office.

But if you wish to show compassion for Ryan Jenkins, be my guest. It seems crystal clear to me.

I'm not sure I understand. Police and prosecution work for the same office ... who are you saying released the information?

I didn't mean to imply that I had made a decision regarding the guilt or innocence of Ryan Jenkins in this murder. I agree he looks awfully suspicious. I would like to see a little more on the forensic or circumstantial evidence end before I assume he's guilty by default (as a result of going to his native country to talk with a lawyer).

[Jester]

He looks guilty as sin, but I'm having a difficult time resolving Ryan the guy that could cut off his wife's fingers and rip our her teeth ... and Ryan the relatively normal son of a prominent architect.

[Jester]

"Ms. Fiore was last seen alive on Aug. 13 at a party in San Diego, which she attended with Ryan Alexander Jenkins, 32, her former husband. Nevada records show the pair married in March. The woman's mother, Lisa Lepore, said the marriage was annulled in May, although they later got back together.

Around 7 a.m. the next day, a body was found in a “very large suitcase” inside a dumpster in Buena Park, Calif., a Los Angeles suburb about 150 kilometres from the scene of the party, Buena Park police lieutenant Gary Worrall said. The suitcase was found by a man rummaging for recyclables. Preliminary indications are that the victim was strangled.

Later that afternoon, Mr. Jenkins walked into a Los Angeles County Sheriff's office in West Hollywood and reported Ms. Fiore missing.
“He came to the station and provided a picture, gave a report,” Lt. Worrall said. Officers called around, eventually connecting the body in the dumpster with the missing woman. “At that point, we were able to put the two together that their missing was our deceased person.”

But Mr. Jenkins had left the sheriff's office by then. Police haven't been able to track him down, and yesterday said the Canadian was a “person of interest” in the model's death.

...

“At this point, there's nothing we can point to that would make him a suspect in the crime, but he was the last person seen with her while she was alive, he reported her missing subsequent to her death, and we've been unable to contact him, which is suspicious to us,” Lt. Worrall said. “We, of course, are concerned that he might go to Canada.”

"In Calgary, Mr. Jenkins' cell phone has been disconnected. Websites for two of the companies he said he was involved in – Concrete Equities and Townscape Developments – are offline. The listed number for a third is a real estate firm, where a woman said Mr. Jenkins left in April [skyhomes most likely].

He'd been profiled in a local newspaper when he got into the real estate business, following in the footsteps of his father, Dan Jenkins, a Calgary architect.

“Ryan is Dan's son, but he has nothing to do with any of Dan's companies. And he did not work for us,” a woman answering the phone at the father's firm said yesterday. “He's got absolutely nothing to do with our company.”

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/police-seek-calgary-man-in-models-death/article1257810/

She said the elder Mr. Jenkins was out of the country. "

[Jester]

"At this point, there's nothing we can point to that would make him a suspect in the crime"

Is he being pursued because he doesn't want to be interrogated by police in a foreign country, especially one with the death penalty? Is he being pursued because he left the country?

Statements from police state that there is nothing to connect him with the crime. How did he become a suspect? ... is it because he was the last known person to see the victim? ... last known person to see the victim ... and who did not want to be interrogated about a murder in a foreign country without a lawyer?

[Jester]

She has a look a bit like someone that wanted to remain 17 years old forever, but she was 28 years old.

Ryan was probably attracted to the plastic, but she liked a different kind of guy ... big and strong ... not a nerdy millionaire. I bet their relationship was like fire and water.

Fake millionaire, I should say.

[Jester]

By all reports, there's nothing to make him a suspect except that he left the country and did not speak with police ... he reported his wife missing when she wasn't exactly his wife and 12 hours isn't exactly missing no matter how you look at it ... so far no forensics and the circumstantial is minimal ... but ... that's enough for the Canadian's judicial system to request more evidence prior to extradition ... so by fleeing the country Ryan has a second governing body deciding whether he should even be held for trial.

Police have released information that he switched license plates with his wife's car. They say he is traveling with a gun, so armed and dangerous (is that a shoot on site order?). I'm having a hard time believing the business about the gun. Sure, lots of guys are hunters, but this was a green design toting designer's son. A gun? Where and how did he get a gun? If the police are exaggerating, issuing an arrest warrant for murder without evidence, and alleging guns without evidence, then they will loose credibility with Canada. I hope the California police have their ducks in a row.

[HALE 2d GNAW]

I'm not sure I understand. Police and prosecution work for the same office ... who are you saying release
d the information?

I am surprised that you think LE & DA are the same office. I assumed by your post count you had strong knowledge of the legal system. Do you include the judge in your one office system? It is a murder complaint with malice and forethought, filed by the Orange County DA, $10m bail. They had to have provided their reasons for that charge and excessive bail to the court in order to have probable cause and issuance. Unless under seal, our judicial proceedings are public record. ME reports included.

LE did hold a presser. Multiple agencies participated including US Marshals.It was all related to the information contained in the murder complaint.

I guesss some may possibly be willng to overlook the nude body,stuffed in a suitcase details. The prior assault arrest on Jasmine,and subsequent TRO I guess can be explained away if one tries hard enough. The DV conviction in Canada might have just been his bad luck. That email just his way of being sweet self if you just skim it.

All of the above was public knowledge before the presser. Certainly, that wouldn't be enough to scare some off. The fingers and teeth would somehow seal the deal for the entire population so that "no one would help him?"

Ryan is IUPG, I think mummy and daddy might want to support him with that presumption. You can too. Personally, I don't see how LE presser made Ryan look much worse in the public eye than he already did.



I didn't mean to imply that I had made a decision regarding the guilt or innocence of Ryan Jenkins in this murder. I agree he looks awfully suspicious. I would like to see a little more on the forensic or circumstantial evidence end before I assume he's guilty by default (as a result of going to his native country to talk with a lawyer).


What info do you have that Ryan is going to talk to a lawyer in Canada prior to being captured? TIA. If he is apprehended, he most certainly will have a lawyer. He will be afforded due process.

I love your open mind and look forward to discussing what you believe to be FE and circumstantial evidence in this case and others.

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[Jester]

I am surprised that you think LE & DA are the same office. I assumed by your post count you had strong knowledge of the legal system. Do you include the judge in your one office system? It is a murder complaint with malice and forethought, filed by the Orange County DA, $10m bail. They had to have provided their reasons for that charge and excessive bail to the court in order to have probable cause and issuance. Unless under seal, our judicial proceedings are public record. ME reports included.

LE did hold a presser. Multiple agencies participated including US Marshals.It was all related to the information contained in the murder complaint.

I guesss some may possibly be willng to overlook the nude body,stuffed in a suitcase details. The prior assault arrest on Jasmine,and subsequent TRO I guess can be explained away if one tries hard enough. The DV conviction in Canada might have just been his bad luck. That email just his way of being sweet self if you just skim it.

All of the above was public knowledge before the presser. Certainly, that wouldn't be enough to scare some off. The fingers and teeth would somehow seal the deal for the entire population so that "no one would help him?"

Ryan is IUPG, I think mummy and daddy might want to support him with that presumption. You can too. Personally, I don't see how LE presser made Ryan look much worse in the public eye than he already did.



What info do you have that Ryan is going to talk to a lawyer in Canada prior to being captured? TIA. If he is apprehended, he most certainly will have a lawyer. He will be afforded due process.

I love your open mind and look forward to discussing what you believe to be FE and circumstantial evidence in this case and others.

replies in red above by me

In Canada, the police collect information about crimes and bring it to the prosecutor's office. That information cannot be released without permission from the prosecutor's office ... and, in fact, is not released until trial because of laws protecting the innocent. The laws are different in the US and Canada ... in Canada the police and prosecutors work on the same team. Maybe it's different in the US. In Canada, Police don't speak out about a case without consulting prosecutors about what should be released ... like there was a decision to release the information about fingers and teeth. That detail could have been withheld, like what is commonly done when a suspected serial killer is at work.

My post count means nothing more than "I'm mouthy", and as for legal knowledge, it's adequate for my purposes ... might be based on British/Roman Law. What is the historical background of US law?

It is not sufficient to say that Ryan Jenkins is the husband of a missing woman ... and then all of a sudden he's a murder suspect without evidence ... that would scare anyone out of their wits. I hope to read in the morning newspaper about the evidence against Ryan Jenkins justifying a murder charge. If there's a murder charge, the paperwork must, as you say, be there. Is it as readily available in California as it is in Florida?

I don't think he hired or spoke to a lawyer before he returned to Canada, but I do think he will retain the same lawyer he used to get out of the assault charge. The fact that Alain Hepner was on NG this evening says one of two things: either he's retained and the client gave permission to speak with media, or, he has not been retained. He's the best criminal lawyer in the city. I think his parents got some lawyer on the phone ... maybe someone in Vancouver.

[Jester]

Whatever lawyer was contacted probably said "get him out of the US" first.

As is so often said on these boards: "he followed legal advice" ... can't fault him on that.

[Jester]

Ryan Jenkins is reported, throughout North America, as "armed and dangerous".

[Jester]

I'm just reeling from this ... as is obvious ... but I can't imagine someone strangling a woman he loved enough to marry, and then sitting around with the body thinking about how to hide the murder ... and then deciding to cut off her fingers and pull out her teeth. That's just too weird.

This guy has to be really sick if he did this, and I don't mean psychiatric sick ... I mean extradited to face charges/expelled sick.

[Myka]

Nevermind. He is the guy I thought he was. He is rumored as the "runner-up" on the VH1 show.

VH1 has yanked all of there pages but some are still on google. Theres a few folks trying to talk about on their forums and keep getting deleted.

Im shocked. He was kinda wierd but murderer ? OMG ! He was suppose to be on I love Money 3 also...

I cant believe this.


yes this is the same guy


personally, I found him a little creepy.......he also told megan he didn't want her to sign a pre-nup either :confused:

[Jester]

I apologize for so many random thoughts ... but

Ryan Jenkins is in Canada ... I think ... and I think his mom helped him a bit, and his dad couldn't help much because he had to fly back from Mexico. I think his best legal hope is to meet with a lawyer in Canada, but I think that he's looking very good for the murder of his model annulled marriage girlfriend. Hopefully the laws can be sorted out.

Alain Hepner is a top criminal lawyer in Calgary. I think Ryan Jenkins will hire a lawyer, perhaps Alain Hepner; who helped him with his assault charges. Those charges were reduced to 15 months of good behavior and no criminal record ... Ryan jumped the hoops ... no criminal record even though he has been formally charged with assaulting two women before his wife was found in a suitcase in the dumpster behind the apartment.

[Jester]

yes this is the same guy


personally, I found him a little creepy.......he also told megan he didn't want her to sign a pre-nup either :confused:

Was he implying a prenuptial agreement was not necessary?

If he landed in Canada yesterday, he should be stepping forward either today or tomorrow with a comment.

Either that or he will be captured ... hopefully not by $10 million bounty hunters that think Canada is the wild west and gun toting vigilantes can cross the border and justice will prevail,

[n/t]

Was he implying a prenuptial agreement was not necessary?

If he landed in Canada yesterday, he should be stepping forward either today or tomorrow with a comment.

Either that or he will be captured ... hopefully not by $10 million bounty hunters that think Canada is the wild west and gun toting vigilantes can cross the border and justice will prevail,

LOL

Do you think he may have gone to Mexico? Wasn't his dad just there? I wonder if he decided to hide out there instead of Canada.

[Keno]

I never watched the show this Ryan was on and only saw clips of it as I watched Nancy Grace but wow, this guy is a creep for sure. How did the production company not pick up on his background report? I don't understand that.

He obviously thought he was being slick by removing her teeth and fingers but doesn't he know there are people who dive in dumpsters looking for cans etc? Not very smart of him afterall to put her body inside a suitcase and dump it as he did. I hope they catch this guy and get him off the streets ASAP.

Yes I know he is presumed innocent but I think it is safe to say he probably did kill her. My humble opinion.

[Leanne Weich]

I never watched the show this Ryan was on and only saw clips of it as I watched Nancy Grace but wow, this guy is a creep for sure. How did the production company not pick up on his background report? I don't understand that.

He obviously thought he was being slick by removing her teeth and fingers but doesn't he know there are people who dive in dumpsters looking for cans etc? Not very smart of him afterall to put her body inside a suitcase and dump it as he did. I hope they catch this guy and get him off the streets ASAP.

Yes I know he is presumed innocent but I think it is safe to say he probably did kill her. My humble opinion.

IMO, if he isn't the one, he's the unluckiest SOB walking right now. I do think he did it too.

[barskin&co.]

I apologize for so many random thoughts ... but

Ryan Jenkins is in Canada ... I think ... and I think his mom helped him a bit, and his dad couldn't help much because he had to fly back from Mexico. I think his best legal hope is to meet with a lawyer in Canada, but I think that he's looking very good for the murder of his model annulled marriage girlfriend. Hopefully the laws can be sorted out.

Alain Hepner is a top criminal lawyer in Calgary. I think Ryan Jenkins will hire a lawyer, perhaps Alain Hepner; who helped him with his assault charges. Those charges were reduced to 15 months of good behavior and no criminal record ... Ryan jumped the hoops ... no criminal record even though he has been formally charged with assaulting two women before his wife was found in a suitcase in the dumpster behind the apartment.

Isn't it great the way VH1 screened the contestants for their show? I guess the title "Megan Wants a Spouse and Girlfriend Battering Murderer Who Claims To Be a Millionaire" was too long.

[BOZGAL2]

He looks guilty as sin, but I'm having a difficult time resolving Ryan the guy that could cut off his wife's fingers and rip our her teeth ... and Ryan the relatively normal son of a prominent architect.

Me too. When I heard the grizzly details, my first thought was whoever committed this crime has killed before. Most first time murderers would not think to cut off the fingers and rip out teeth.
He does appear to be the perp. Very strange. JMO

[MsBondJamesBond]

Early on I heard and saw pictures of the name on the boat. The boat belonging to him was named, Night Rideher. Yes, ride her. He's gross.

Someone asked if his SUV BMW came standard with a trailer hitch. Well, it is an SUV and he did own a boat so I think it's reasonable that he would have a trailer hitch on it.

I can't stop thinking about the mutilation. Murder is one thing, but it takes a special kind of maniac to be able to do what what was done to her. I'm thinking Jenkins isn't the type of guy to have a tool box in his LA apartment. I'm thinking he may have gone to a local hardware store and purchased some tools. Tools he would have needed to do what he did to her. Perhaps LE has receipts, credit card records of him visiting a hardware store. Perhaps they have him on video making such purchases. I mean, how does one go about removing all those teeth? It's so disgusting. The repetition! the....sounds. There are sooooo many teeth! Ugggh, and the fingers. I mean......it just makes me so sick. I just don't understand how anyone could do that. Before we knew about the mutilation, I was hung up on him stuffing her in a suitcase and what that would involve with a dead body. Now this.

[barskin&co.]

Early on I heard and saw pictures of the name on the boat. The boat belonging to him was named, Night Rideher. Yes, ride her. He's gross.

Someone asked if his SUV BMW came standard with a trailer hitch. Well, it is an SUV and he did own a boat so I think it's reasonable that he would have a trailer hitch on it.

I can't stop thinking about the mutilation. Murder is one thing, but it takes a special kind of maniac to be able to do what what was done to her. I'm thinking Jenkins isn't the type of guy to have a tool box in his LA apartment. I'm thinking he may have gone to a local hardware store and purchased some tools. Tools he would have needed to do what he did to her. Perhaps LE has receipts, credit card records of him visiting a hardware store. Perhaps they have him on video making such purchases. I mean, how does one go about removing all those teeth? It's so disgusting. The repetition! the....sounds. There are sooooo many teeth! Ugggh, and the fingers. I mean......it just makes me so sick. I just don't understand how anyone could do that. Before we knew about the mutilation, I was hung up on him stuffing her in a suitcase and what that would involve with a dead body. Now this.

That creepy mutilation seems to have been motivated by a desire to slow down identification of the body when you think aout it. He was removing the areas that could be identified by finger prints and dental records.

Oh, this guy is so disgusting. :cursing:

[BorderCollieMom]

[QUOTE=HALE 2d GNAW;13384119]
He is filming this Megan show AFTER they are married in Vegas, is that right?
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Snipped for content....



Timeline (as best as I can make it)...

Megan Wants a Millionaire filming had already started sometime in Feb. 2009 according to a few of her interviews on the web. The show premiered around the first of Aug. 2009. Ryan is rumored to have come in 2nd place (runner-up) to Sharay Hayes. Meg/Mill show is cancelled.

The filming of ILM3 & 4 finished filming this summer. The 2 shows were filmed back to back to fill in Charm Schools timeslot in Mexico. Ryan is rumored to have won ILM3 & rumored that he went to the 51 Minds/Endemol office to request an early cut of the $250,000 check right after Jasmine's death, but was denied. The web-reports now mention that at least ILM3 is cancelled.

<Various web sources>
<IMO>

[MsBondJamesBond]

That creepy mutilation seems to have been motivated by a desire to slow down identification of the body when you think aout it. He was removing the areas that could be identified by finger prints and dental records.

Oh, this guy is so disgusting. :cursing:

Oh yeah, the motivation for the mutilation (identification) is obvious. But to carry it out. To have it in him to do that, to physically perform it is horrifying.

OK, so he goes to all that trouble *shudder* then he stupidly dumps her in a very small dumpster. I don't know if he threw anything like a tarp or a blanket over the suitcase or if the suitcase was just visible to anyone who lifted the lid, but tossing a suitcase in a small dumpster was just stewpid. If one is going to toss a body in a dumpster, at least put it in a giant dumpster, one that isn't easily looked into from your average person tossing a trash bag. I guess he just ain't that bright. He does the unthinkable, murder, then he performs horrendous mutilation and then he casually tosses her practically in plain sight.

Was that dumpster in his own apartment complex or just some random complex. I assumed it was not the complex he/they lived in, but I have read at least one post here where someone did think or assume it was their complex.

[MsBondJamesBond]

Ooooh, juicy info, BCM, re Jenkins going to producers, 51 Minds, after Jasmine was murdered, to try to get early cut from the Millionaire 3 show. Creep.

[BorderCollieMom]

Ooooh, juicy info, BCM, re Jenkins going to producers, 51 Minds, after Jasmine was murdered, to try to get early cut from the Millionaire 3 show. Creep.

There are 2 things Im trying to connect...
The location of the apt. dumpster - why was he in that area ?
(I dont know/havnt heard if & where he lived in the states.) I read somewhere that Jasmine had a "4th floor penthouse" but dont recall where. That apt dumpster didnt look a place where either of them would live. jmo

Was he at anytime recently in the Los Angeles area ? Thats where 51 Minds office is located. I havnt seen this "confirmed".

I also havnt seen or heard if the annullment took place either.

[lune3]

I never watched the show this Ryan was on and only saw clips of it as I watched Nancy Grace but wow, this guy is a creep for sure. How did the production company not pick up on his background report? I don't understand that.

He obviously thought he was being slick by removing her teeth and fingers but doesn't he know there are people who dive in dumpsters looking for cans etc? Not very smart of him afterall to put her body inside a suitcase and dump it as he did. I hope they catch this guy and get him off the streets ASAP.

Yes I know he is presumed innocent but I think it is safe to say he probably did kill her. My humble opinion.

Presumed innocent yes, but talk about consciousness of guilt! This guy's actions are as bad or worse than Scott Peterson's. His disappearance right after reporting Kristi missing made him a POI right away. Switches license plates, takes off north, sneaks across the border via a bay, becomes the object of an international manhunt. An innocent man would be distraught, cooperating with LE etc. He's not exactly looking very good. As to the mutilation, really, would a random killer take the time and effort do this?
Strange, the guy appears obsessive in his efforts to destroy Kristi's identity, yet appears so stupid in the process. Why he didn't take the body out to a canyon or the desert is beyond me.

[MsBondJamesBond]

Presumed innocent yes, but talk about consciousness of guilt! This guy's actions are as bad or worse than Scott Peterson's. His disappearance right after reporting Kristi missing made him a POI right away. Switches license plates, takes off north, sneaks across the border via a bay, becomes the object of an international manhunt. An innocent man would be distraught, cooperating with LE etc. He's not exactly looking very good. As to the mutilation, really, would a random killer take the time and effort do this?
Strange, the guy appears obsessive in his efforts to destroy Kristi's identity, yet appears so stupid in the process. Why he didn't take the body out to a canyon or the desert is beyond me.


Her name is Jasmine.

[lune3]

Looks like Jenkins left the hotel by himself. They were staying in an upscale hotel in Del Mar. Jasmine was last seen on the Thursday Aug 13. The next morning he was seen alone.
Does this mean he killed her Thursday night? Then somehow got her into the car at the hotel, probably took her somewhere else to mutilate her and then dumped her body in the LA area.
I bet they are going through the room with a fine tooth comb. It's reported he strangled her, maybe not much evidence there.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/08/authorities-in-british-columbia-are-using-helicopters-and-k9-dogs-in-their-search-for-a-reality-tv-show-contestant-accused-of.html

[lune3]

Her name is Jasmine.

Omg, I'm so sorry. Ofcourse. Typing too quickly.

[Great Dane]

How could VH1 not do a background check on this guy? This crime is STRANGE to say the least, I'm looking forward to hearing all of the details....

[socalgirl_93]

I've never seen the show but from reading all the replies, the guy sounds like a creep! People who run away like that says GUILTY to me.

[lune3]

There are 2 things Im trying to connect...
The location of the apt. dumpster - why was he in that area ?
(I dont know/havnt heard if & where he lived in the states.) I read somewhere that Jasmine had a "4th floor penthouse" but dont recall where. That apt dumpster didnt look a place where either of them would live. jmo

Was he at anytime recently in the Los Angeles area ? Thats where 51 Minds office is located. I havnt seen this "confirmed".

I also havnt seen or heard if the annullment took place either.

The annulment is mentioned in this article.
Also, it appears that the Buena Park dumpster was just off the 5 freeway (which is the main freeway from San Diego north through LA and then further north). He probably just exited from the 5 to dump Jasmin'e body into the nearest dumpster he found.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-model-murder21-2009aug21,0,7149248.story

[HALE 2d GNAW]

New Photo on TMZ.

It was taken Aug. 3 of Jasmine and Ryan. She is brunette and looks very different from other photos.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/21/jasmine-fiore-ryan-jenkins-las-vegas-last-photos-bathing-suit-palms-hotel/

Also, TMZ says "sources" say Ryan and Jasmine were seen in the Hilton Friday night and possibly stayed there that night after he was seen leaving the Del Mar hotel.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/21/cops-searched-hotel-in-san-diego-ryan-jenkins-jasmine-fiore/

Was Ryan the orignal source of the fri nite poker game or was it a friend of hers?

[lune3]

The short marriage is also mentioned here, with a background of their relationship:

"After taping for "Megan Wants a Millionaire" finished in early March, Jenkins met Fiore in Las Vegas casino and the two got married on March 18, said Fiore's mother, Lisa Lepore.

But in May, "they had a big blowout," and fought because he was jealous of her ex-boyfriends, Lepore said. "She had the marriage annulled."

Jenkins then went to Mexico to do another reality TV show, but struggled to get Fiore back when he returned. It was not immediately clear which show he appeared on.

"He convinced her during that month that he was really the guy for her," Lepore said. "He wrote poems and stories, and prayed, and (claimed he) had this huge spiritual awakening." "

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090821/national/us_reality_contestant_slaying

[lune3]

New Photo on TMZ.

It was taken Aug. 3 of Jasmine and Ryan. She is brunette and looks very different from other photos.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/21/jasmine-fiore-ryan-jenkins-las-vegas-last-photos-bathing-suit-palms-hotel/

Also, TMZ says "sources" say Ryan and Jasmine were seen in the Hilton Friday night and possibly stayed there that night after he was seen leaving the Del Mar hotel.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/21/cops-searched-hotel-in-san-diego-ryan-jenkins-jasmine-fiore/

Was Ryan the orignal source of the fri nite poker game or was it a friend of hers?

So Jasmine was seen Friday night and evidently "put down" by Jenkins according to a witness. Since her body was found the next morning, he must have been up all night. I can't get my mind around what he did to her after strangling her. Where and with what? There wasn't a lot of time and he was in a populated area along the corridor from San Diego to LA.

[HALE 2d GNAW]

That creepy mutilation seems to have been motivated by a desire to slow down identification of the body when you think aout it. He was removing the areas that could be identified by finger prints and dental records.

Oh, this guy is so disgusting. :cursing:

ITA.

Do you think he just overlooked DNA??? If he knew dental records could be used, I'd think he would understand DNA. It really makes it even more creepy. Sending the "suck it" text and she has no teeth now?? I might be overthinking it but :FLAMEMAD:

[kelloggirl]

I'm just reeling from this ... as is obvious ... but I can't imagine someone strangling a woman he loved enough to marry, and then sitting around with the body thinking about how to hide the murder ... and then deciding to cut off her fingers and pull out her teeth. That's just too weird.

This guy has to be really sick if he did this, and I don't mean psychiatric sick ... I mean extradited to face charges/expelled sick.

The charming sociopath - the guys next door, they are the scariest of all. Look at the Craigslist Killer - pre-med student, had it all. Ted Bundy. Ryan seems like a classic sociopath to me with woman issues cut from the same cloth as those other guys. Entitled, good-looking, expects women to fall at his feet. When they don't....God help them.

There was a similar case to this on Forensic Files where the woman's husband or boyfriend who claimed to love her beyond reason dismembered her body, including decapitation, and also extracted the teeth from the skull so that she could not be identified. It happens. It's terrifying, but it happens.

As far as the suspect, they would not have charged him with her murder without any cause or just because he ran. The prosecutor demands evidence, we just don't know what that is yet. Fingerprints on the suitcase, on her body, on the dumpster lid, any are possible. Evidence at their apartment or in his car.

[HALE 2d GNAW]

So Jasmine was seen Friday night and evidently "put down" by Jenkins according to a witness. Since her body was found the next morning, he must have been up all night. I can't get my mind around what he did to her after strangling her. Where and with what? There wasn't a lot of time and he was in a populated area along the corridor from San Diego to LA.


That seems to be a TMZ witness source? Don't know.

DA says that she was last seen alive Thur. Aug 13 per this link. Also a massive manhunt in BC. He has family there.
"The defendant's black BMW X5 was found with a boat trailer attached in a marina in Blaine, Wash.," the Orange County district attorney's office said. "The defendant is accused of using a speedboat to flee from the U.S. to Canada."




http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/08/authorities-in-british-columbia-are-using-helicopters-and-k9-dogs-in-their-search-for-a-reality-tv-show-contestant-accused-of.html

[lune3]

That seems to be a TMZ witness source? Don't know.

DA says that she was last seen alive Thur. Aug 13 per this link. Also a massive manhunt in BC. He has family there.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/08/authorities-in-british-columbia-are-using-helicopters-and-k9-dogs-in-their-search-for-a-reality-tv-show-contestant-accused-of.html

Yes, I posted that LA Times link on page 3....Jasmine having been last seen on the 13th. Makes more sense that Jenkins had some time. I question the source for the witness at the Friday poker game too. Friday night to Saturday morning when Jasmine's body was found doesn't afford much time for what Jenkins did to her, not to mention the 2 hour drive to LA to be there in the wee hours so as not to be seen. Then who knows, maybe he did it all that one night.

[lune3]

The headline states Calif won't seek the death penalty, though in the article there's no mention.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090821/national/us_reality_contestant_slaying

[lune3]

Another gem that points to this creep's character:

Jenkins says he has left many amazing women in his life primarily because he wanted more women.

He claims the only time he cheated on his ex was when he wanted to break up with her.

And says, he molds "player girls" into "princesses."

(bolded by me)

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-missing-swimsuit-model,0,7187587.story?page=1

[MsBondJamesBond]

The headline states Calif won't seek the death penalty, though in the article there's no mention.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090821/national/us_reality_contestant_slaying


The article does quote an Orange County DA spokesperson who said that:

"Farrah Emami, a spokeswoman with the Orange County district attorney's office, said they are not pursuing the death penalty in the case."


Now, all bets may be off if he's somehow caught in the US...

[HALE 2d GNAW]

Another gem that points to this creep's character:

Jenkins says he has left many amazing women in his life primarily because he wanted more women.

He claims the only time he cheated on his ex was when he wanted to break up with her.

And says, he molds "player girls" into "princesses."

(bolded by me)

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-missing-swimsuit-model,0,7187587.story?page=1


OH ICK. sicko

But thanks for that link. That says June DV charge. I read another place it happened in April in LV resort pool. Then they are in pool Aug. 3.

Sources connected with the Jasmine Fiore murder investigation tell us ... authorities believe Jasmine Fiore was strangled last Friday, sometime after midnight .. and surveillance video shows Jenkins leaving a hotel with a suitcase that may have been the receptacle for Fiore's body
http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/21/blow-by-blow-of-jasmine-fiores-murder/

[lune3]

The article does quote an Orange County DA spokesperson who said that:

"Farrah Emami, a spokeswoman with the Orange County district attorney's office, said they are not pursuing the death penalty in the case."

Now, all bets may be off if he's somehow caught in the US...

Thanks, I guess I missed that.

I don't see how this guy can run. His dad is not going to aid him I expect, he would risk going to prison.
I wonder if Jenkins withdrew a ton of cash before the warrant was issued.

[MsBondJamesBond]

I don't know. If his mother already aided him by delivering a boat to WA state, who knows what his parents are willing to do to help him. I guess that was before the warrant was issued though. If he gets to Central or South America, who knows how long he could hide out. Who was that guy? Ummmm, some heir to some fortune...cosmetics...it's on the tip of my tongue....didn't he hide out in S. America or Mexico for a very long time...The guy I'm thinking of, IIRC, video taped sex acts with women he'd drugged

[HALE 2d GNAW]

Another gem that points to this creep's character:

Jenkins says he has left many amazing women in his life primarily because he wanted more women.

He claims the only time he cheated on his ex was when he wanted to break up with her.

And says, he molds "player girls" into "princesses."

(bolded by me)

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-missing-swimsuit-model,0,7187587.story?page=1

From your link, it says regarding prior DV conviction:scared:

Jenkins' sentence included 15 months probation and mandatory counseling for "psychological/domestic violence/coping skills."

According to TMZ, he was ordered to attend outpatient treatment at a hospital for sex addiction.

I guess all he learned during his mandatory sessions was how to mimic the counselor. Helped him better express his party to princess drivel. Like that email he sent her.

I shouldn't be horrified but still how can anyone be capable of such darkness

[lune3]

I don't know. If his mother already aided him by delivering a boat to WA state, who knows what his parents are willing to do to help him. I guess that was before the warrant was issued though. If he gets to Central or South America, who knows how long he could hide out. Who was that guy? Ummmm, some heir to some fortune...cosmetics...it's on the tip of my tongue....didn't he hide out in S. America or Mexico for a very long time...The guy I'm thinking of, IIRC, video taped sex acts with women he'd drugged

Andrew Luster, I think, something like that. Revlon heir IIRC. I thought about him too, another privileged creep. He got away to Mexico when he didn't show up to court.
I don't see how Jenkins can get to Honduras or elsewhere with such a manhunt in progress. But who knows?

[MsBondJamesBond]

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Dead+model+asks+Canadians+help+capture+fugitive/1917327/story.html

A little history of past personal relationships from the Calgary Herald including his temper, his impatience, his strong sexual appetite and how it affected his relationships. There is also mentioned of a suicide attempt following the end of one of his relationships.

[MsBondJamesBond]

Andrew Luster, I think, something like that. Revlon heir IIRC. I thought about him too, another privileged creep. He got away to Mexico when he didn't show up to court.
I don't see how Jenkins can get to Honduras or elsewhere with such a manhunt in progress. But who knows?

Yeah, that scumbag.

[MsBondJamesBond]

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Manhunt+Ryan+Jenkins+raises+death+penalty+question s/1916568/story.html

Oooh, this article does a good job of explaining US Canada extradition policies. It seems there actually is a way that a Canadian national could be extradited to the US without the DP being taken off the table. That is, if there are "exceptional circumstances" surrounding the case. This seems highly unlikely though. Besides, at this time, OC prosecutors are not charging him with A DP eligible crime

[lune3]

It's crazy that this psycho was on that TV show given the availability of documents outlining his record, the probation for assault, the "counselling", the treatment for sex addiction etc. Don't those producers do background checks? That person Megan must be having nightmares, ...and thanking her lucky stars.

[HALE 2d GNAW]

I don't know. If his mother already aided him by delivering a boat to WA state, who knows what his parents are willing to do to help him. I guess that was before the warrant was issued though. If he gets to Central or South America, who knows how long he could hide out. Who was that guy? Ummmm, some heir to some fortune...cosmetics...it's on the tip of my tongue....didn't he hide out in S. America or Mexico for a very long time...The guy I'm thinking of, IIRC, video taped sex acts with women he'd drugged

LE said the trailer was attached to the SUV but I don't have a link so I'll say it's IMO. I was wondering if mommy or someone met him after he put the boat in the water. IIRC, LE found the boat in the water near the border. But they thought he fled on foot to Canada but seem to be ruling nothing out.

you're right. This case is somewhat like that Andrew Luster Max Factor heir! monster that you mention it

[MsBondJamesBond]

LE said the trailer was attached to the SUV but I don't have a link so I'll say it's IMO. I was wondering if mommy or someone met him after he put the boat in the water. IIRC, LE found the boat in the water near the border. But they thought he fled on foot to Canada but seem to be ruling nothing out.

you're right. This case is somewhat like that Andrew Luster Max Factor heir! monster that you mention it


I was just thinking that she could have towed the boat to WA state and dropped it at a designated location. He then could have hooked up the trailer to his SUV and drove it to the marina where the trailer and his car were found, in a town called Blaine in WA state. The boat was found on a peninsula across the bay. The peninsula is mostly Canadian but there is a little sliver of the peninsula that us US territory, Point Roberts. Someone upthread posted a link to a map on mapquest that depicted it perfectly. I clicked, "aerial map," and it gives you a great view of the lay of the land. You can also zoom in and out to get different perspectives. You can see that he could have simply walked right into Canada to a waiting friend or relative.

http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=blaine&state=WA&flv=1

There's the link to the map. The red star is covering up the word, Blaine, which is where the car and trailer were found. The boat was found at Point Roberts to the left or West.

[HALE 2d GNAW]

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Dead+model+asks+Canadians+help+capture+fugitive/1917327/story.html

A little history of past personal relationships from the Calgary Herald including his temper, his impatience, his strong sexual appetite and how it affected his relationships. There is also mentioned of a suicide attempt following the end of one of his relationships.


Potent stuff in there. Thanks for the line, MsBond.

That suicide line just struck me as an attempt to gain sympathy with the probation officer. Like he'd never harm others, just himself.

From the link, he didn't have many flaws. It was the ex that had the problems. barf



Jenkins admitted he punched the woman in the head and knocked her to her knees when she attempted to leave his Calgary residence.

Jenkins disagreed with the description of his sexual appetite. He also described his actions regarding the assault as "immature" and out of character. Jenkins said he did not believe he had any issues with anger management, but admitted to being impatient at times.

Jenkins told the probation officer that, although he had no concerns with anxiety or depression


It was Jenkins who filed a restraining order against the girlfriend at Court of Queen's Bench less than a month after the assault, due to what he described as her "ongoing harassing behaviour."


Seriously. A 20 something man punches a woman in the head and knocks her down and says he is immature? Counselling as punishment sound more like free acting classes to me.

[HALE 2d GNAW]

I was just thinking that she could have towed the boat to WA state and dropped it at a designated location. He then could have hooked up the trailer to his SUV and drove it to the marina where the trailer and his car were found, in a town called Blaine in WA state. The boat was found on a peninsula across the bay. The peninsula is mostly Canadian but there is a little sliver of the peninsula that us US territory, Point Roberts. Someone upthread posted a link to a map on mapquest that depicted it perfectly. I clicked, "aerial map," and it gives you a great view of the lay of the land. You can also zoom in and out to get different perspectives. You can see that he could have simply walked right into Canada to a waiting friend or relative.

http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=blaine&state=WA&flv=1

There's the link to the map. The red star is covering up the word, Blaine, which is where the car and trailer were found. The boat was found at Point Roberts to the left or West.

Very interesting. Thanks again for your good linkS to today. My last post reads line s/b link.

[MsBondJamesBond]

Hmmmm, this is the first I've seen of his parents no longer being married to each other.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Authorities+leave+stone+unturned+hunt+Calgary+fugi tive/1912652/story.html

Jenkins’ mother, Nada Jenkins, lives in Vancouver, and he Jenkins would be familiar with both the community of Point Roberts and the ease of crossing the border, having lived there with his father, stepmother and sister.

[lune3]

Hmmmm, this is the first I've seen of his parents no longer being married to each other.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Authorities+leave+stone+unturned+hunt+Calgary+fugi tive/1912652/story.html

Jenkins’ mother, Nada Jenkins, lives in Vancouver, and he Jenkins would be familiar with both the community of Point Roberts and the ease of crossing the border, having lived there with his father, stepmother and sister.

Seems the father actually has a home in that Pt Roberts community: (if he still owns the home)

"Jenkins used to live on the peninsula with his father, stepmother and sister in a home his architect father had designed across the street from a golf course in that town."
http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Canada+alert+Calgarian+suspected+mutilation+death+ wife/1915452/story.html

On this map if you zoom in, you can see the golfcourse. Looks like there's huge forested area behind. You can also see the marina where I guess he landed.
http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=point%20roberts&state=WA&flv=1#a/maps/l:::Point+Roberts:WA::US:48.9856:-123.076698:city:Whatcom+County:1/m:hyb:7:48.9856:-123.076698:0:::::1:1:1::/io:0:::::f:EN:M:/e

[tisamystery]

I fear there may be more to the condition of Jasmine's body. Jenkins removed her teeth and fingers to prevent identification. First of all, doesn't he know about DNA? ID by dental records and fingerpints is old school. But, more importantly, why remove these identifiers if the face is still recognizable? I fear he may have done more than has been revealed.

[MsBondJamesBond]

I've read that she was beaten and in one of the articles it said her body was smashed. I take the smashed description to be what it took to get her in the suitcase.

You know that they told us what they did about the fingers and the teeth so as to impress the seriousness of the situation to anyone who may be helping him. Who knows what else they have that they aren't telling us.

[lune3]

I fear there may be more to the condition of Jasmine's body. Jenkins removed her teeth and fingers to prevent identification. First of all, doesn't he know about DNA? ID by dental records and fingerpints is old school. But, more importantly, why remove these identifiers if the face is still recognizable? I fear he may have done more than has been revealed.

It's possible he was more concerned about a quick identification. DNA takes time and must be compared to something. Had Jasmine been recovered later, they would have had to suspect she was the missing woman and her DNA compared to a relative to make a definite identification....or to any trace evidence linked to Jenkins. I still am baffled why Jenkins chose to dump her body in a populated area.
I do though think you may be right about Jasmine's face. It has been stated she was badly beaten.

[tiny paw-prints]

I fear there may be more to the condition of Jasmine's body. Jenkins removed her teeth and fingers to prevent identification. First of all, doesn't he know about DNA? ID by dental records and fingerpints is old school. But, more importantly, why remove these identifiers if the face is still recognizable? I fear he may have done more than has been revealed.

That's certainly quite possible. Face disfigurement, etc? Whatever he did, there's a ton more evidence yet to be disclosed.

[lune3]

I'm also wondering....Jasmine was shown with blond hair in the first photos published . But she had dark hair later, as late as in some pics in Vegas where evidently they spent a recent weekend. I wonder if Jenkins supplied a blond pic to LE as a further attempt to deceive.

[HALE 2d GNAW]

I'm also wondering....Jasmine was shown with blond hair in the first photos published . But she had dark hair later, as late as in some pics in Vegas where evidently they spent a recent weekend. I wonder if Jenkins supplied a blond pic to LE as a further attempt to deceive.

That was cleared up as soon as they talked to the ex-boyfriend and found out about the texts. He knew she was brunette as there are vacation pix of them in Mexico in July. Jasmine had brown hair then too.

Plus she had already been discovered when he went to LE. I wonder if he was still in the area where he dumped her and saw the dumpster roped off with crime tape later Sat. & thought going to LE might look better?

[lune3]

That's certainly quite possible. Face disfigurement, etc? Whatever he did, there's a ton more evidence yet to be disclosed.

When the body was found, reports speculated she was a child or teenager because of her size. It's possible that her face was disfigured as LE could have seen a difference between a very young woman and an adult one, at least I think so. She was found very quickly so her features should still have been recognizable.

[lune3]

That was cleared up as soon as they talked to the ex-boyfriend and found out about the texts. He knew she was brunette as there are vacation pix of them in Mexico in July. Jasmine had brown hair then too.

Plus she had already been discovered when he went to LE. I wonder if he was still in the area where he dumped her and saw the dumpster roped off with crime tape later Sat. & thought going to LE might look better?

It's possible. He was still in the LA area when he reported her missing. It's afterwards he took off.
Maybe he realized that a random abductor wouldn't have gone to the effort to mutilate her, and since he was seen with her only the day before, he figured his goose was cooked.

[HALE 2d GNAW]

OMG. Wonder what else he did do to her body. She was id'd by her breast implants.

http://www.tmz.com/

[sunstar]

OMG. Wonder what else he did do to her body. She was id'd by her breast implants.

http://www.tmz.com/

I would imagine that knocking her teeth out would've disfigured her face as well as being stuffed inside the suitcase. As someone else said, DNA takes a while ~ but the implants would be an immediate positive identification by the serial numbers. MOO

[HALE 2d GNAW]

Ryan Alexander Jenkins, wanted in the murder of model Jasmine Fiore, led authorities on a high-speed boat chase several miles off the coast near Blaine, Wash., law enforcement sources told The Times today.

Authorities tracked Jenkins to a marina in Blaine on Wednesday night and came upon his car and empty boat trailer, the sources said, who spoke on the condition that they not be named because it was an ongoing investigation.

The engine of the car was still warm and the U.S. Coast Guard was alerted. A Coast Guard cutter came upon a speed boat several miles off the coast that was believed to belong to Jenkins. Coast Guard officials shone lights on the speed boat and began approaching, the sources said.

The speed boat then fled into Canadian waters, sources said. Authorities there were notified and chased it with a helicopter and a boat, but the speed boat crossed back into U.S. waters.

They found fresh footprints but lost him

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/

[lune3]

They found fresh footprints but lost him

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/

Wow, if they actually were on his tail that quickly I hope he's still in the area hiding out somewhere. Maybe in the forest. He couldn't have gotten far on foot.
I have visions of the prof who killed his wife and her friend, the one who escaped in the woods and who was eventually found by a cadaver dog. The guy had buried and then shot himself.
This creep though, I doubt he'd commit suicide, but who knows if he's cornered.

[lune3]

Wait, the above article is saying he walked into Canada from Blaine, not from Pt Roberts?

[doctor_J]

It's possible he was more concerned about a quick identification. DNA takes time and must be compared to something. Had Jasmine been recovered later, they would have had to suspect she was the missing woman and her DNA compared to a relative to make a definite identification....or to any trace evidence linked to Jenkins. I still am baffled why Jenkins chose to dump her body in a populated area.I do though think you may be right about Jasmine's face. It has been stated she was badly beaten.

My bold.

Where was she dumped? I've read Vegas at hotel dumpster and apartment area in OC.Oh and was she killed in Vegas or apartment?

[lune3]

My bold.

Where was she dumped? I've read Vegas at hotel dumpster and apartment area in OC.Oh and was she killed in Vegas or apartment?

The suitcase with Jasmine's body in it was dumped in a small dumpster in Buena Park, just off the 5 freeway. It was found Saturday morning by a man who was fishing for recyclable bottles or some such thing.

Jasmine was last seen in a hotel in Del Mar. It's not known where she was killed, though video tape apparently shows Jenkins leaving the hotel alone with a suitcase. He did not bother to check out at the desk it's reported.

[sunstar]

My bold.

Where was she dumped? I've read Vegas at hotel dumpster and apartment area in OC.Oh and was she killed in Vegas or apartment?

She was found in a dumpster in Buena Park, Calif..

[BorderCollieMom]

Question:

IF a background check had been done on Ryan sometime in Jan. 2009....what would have popped up ? This would of been for Megan Wants a Millionaire.

And , if another check was run for ILM3, what would have come up ?

I cant keep up with the board so busy. TIA


Also, authorities say she was last seen on Friday after midnight ???? What some people would call late thursday night...?

[Missti]

This should raise questions on both sides of the border.

Jenkins has a Criminal Record here in Canada. Without a Pardon, he should never have been able to enter the USA to begin with. With charges laid in 2008, and 15 months of Probation - I can Guarantee, he did not have a Pardon as that application takes months to process and be filed. There hasn't been enough time to have that completed between the date of the charges, the Court process time then the length of the Probation. It just doesn't fit.

The US Customs should also be reviewing the entry of this man to begin with.

Missti

[HALE 2d GNAW]

Question:

IF a background check had been done on Ryan sometime in Jan. 2009....what would have popped up ? This would of been for Megan Wants a Millionaire.

And , if another check was run for ILM3, what would have come up ?

I cant keep up with the board so busy. TIA


Also, authorities say she was last seen on Friday after midnight ???? What some people would call late thursday night...?


BCM - what would have shown up. He is a Canadian citizenon and a half decent background check would find his 2 convictions in Canada. Then upon red flag, could have have looked further to see both related to violence against women.

I wonder how they determined he qualified for the show and claimed he had $2m?

Ryan would have to sign off for permission for them to do any criminal check. Asked him upfront to disclose any history. Give his adresses for last 7 years (or whatever number the agency uses)_ Least that is how it should work.

[Jester]

This should raise questions on both sides of the border.

Jenkins has a Criminal Record here in Canada. Without a Pardon, he should never have been able to enter the USA to begin with. With charges laid in 2008, and 15 months of Probation - I can Guarantee, he did not have a Pardon as that application takes months to process and be filed. There hasn't been enough time to have that completed between the date of the charges, the Court process time then the length of the Probation. It just doesn't fit.

The US Customs should also be reviewing the entry of this man to begin with.

Missti

I thought he had a criminal record, but he doesn't. He was given a 15 months sentence that, with good behavior, would remove any criminal conviction ... clean record. I think it's called a conditional discharge. A background search may have uncovered the original charges, but a criminal record check would have been clean.

There was only one assault charge from a girlfriend ... no conviction ... no criminal record.

[lune3]

There is an unconfirmed report that he was seen in Nanaimo this morning. Nanaimo is a small coastal village on Vancouver Island.)I was there many years ago). Whether he was/is there or not, a positive thing is that the news has reached the public, in outlying places even, as a man there called authorities.

Also in this article, regarding the boat chase, it states the boat was found in Pt Rupert (not Blaine as previously mistakenly reported).

Authorities also state it's possible he left the country...boarded a plane (though I don't see how he could have taken a commercial flight unless he had fake documents)

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090821/national/us_reality_contestant_slaying

[Jester]

The charming sociopath - the guys next door, they are the scariest of all. Look at the Craigslist Killer - pre-med student, had it all. Ted Bundy. Ryan seems like a classic sociopath to me with woman issues cut from the same cloth as those other guys. Entitled, good-looking, expects women to fall at his feet. When they don't....God help them.

There was a similar case to this on Forensic Files where the woman's husband or boyfriend who claimed to love her beyond reason dismembered her body, including decapitation, and also extracted the teeth from the skull so that she could not be identified. It happens. It's terrifying, but it happens.

As far as the suspect, they would not have charged him with her murder without any cause or just because he ran. The prosecutor demands evidence, we just don't know what that is yet. Fingerprints on the suitcase, on her body, on the dumpster lid, any are possible. Evidence at their apartment or in his car.

That's exactly his type. It seems she was last seen August 13 when they checked into a hotel, but only he checked out.

[Adalena935]

So Jasmine was seen Friday night and evidently "put down" by Jenkins according to a witness. Since her body was found the next morning, he must have been up all night. I can't get my mind around what he did to her after strangling her. Where and with what? There wasn't a lot of time and he was in a populated area along the corridor from San Diego to LA.
bolding mine>

I just wanted to address the distance aspect of your post. It reminded me of how far Scott Peterson drove to dispose of Laci's body. About the same distance thru a heavily populated corridor also. It *is* unbelievable that anyone would do such a thing, I agree. I checked on mapquest comparing the two cases.

http://www.mapquest.com/maps?1c=San+Diego&1s=CA&2c=Buena+Park&2s=CA

San Diego to Buena Park
Total Travel Estimates: 1 hour 46 minutes / 101.24 miles

http://www.mapquest.com/maps?1c=Modesto&1s=CA&2c=San+Francisco&2s=CA

Modesto to San Francisco
Total Travel Estimates: 1 hour 39 minutes / 91.65 miles

[Emerald]

Isn't it true Canada will not allow extradition if he faces the death penalty?

[sunstar]

There is an unconfirmed report that he was seen in Nanaimo this morning. Nanaimo is a small coastal village on Vancouver Island.)I was there many years ago). Whether he was/is there or not, a positive thing is that the news has reached the public, in outlying places even, as a man there called authorities.

Also in this article, regarding the boat chase, it states the boat was found in Pt Rupert (not Blaine as previously mistakenly reported).

Authorities also state it's possible he left the country...boarded a plane (though I don't see how he could have taken a commercial flight unless he had fake documents)

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090821/national/us_reality_contestant_slaying

I heard on HLN he's a licensed flight instructor, so I think they're talking about him having access to a small plane that he could fly out of the country. Unless of course he had fake documents, as you said. MOO

[sunstar]

Isn't it true Canada will not allow extradition if he faces the death penalty?

That's right. They won't extradite if he faces the DP.

[Adalena935]

The charming sociopath - the guys next door, they are the scariest of all. Look at the Craigslist Killer - pre-med student, had it all. Ted Bundy. Ryan seems like a classic sociopath to me with woman issues cut from the same cloth as those other guys. Entitled, good-looking, expects women to fall at his feet. When they don't....God help them.

Ted Bundy and the Craigslist killer were serial killers who were strangers to their victims. Craigslist killer didn't have to be charming. He was in a ruse to hire prostitutes.

Jenkins was married to his victim (annulled). Since he was recently said to have been trying to lure her back into the relationship I wouldn't lump the 3 cases together. It's right to say anyone who commits murder is a sociopath. Which is easy to know after the fact.

The thing that's so frightful about murderers is no one knows who they are until after they do the crime of murder.

[Jester]

Isn't it true Canada will not allow extradition if he faces the death penalty?

Quite true. Paperwork has to be completed stating that he will not face the death penalty before he can be extradited. Once he has a good lawyer, the process could drag out a couple of years. It's not just that the death penalty has to be removed, but there has to be evidence or justification for extraditing him.

[Adalena935]

That's exactly his type. It seems she was last seen August 13 when they checked into a hotel, but only he checked out.

No, that's not what the link said. It said the General Manager of the L'Auberge Del Mar hotel said the two of them checked in the 13th and neither checked out formally. The only time *THEY* saw him was when he left alone Friday morning (from that particular hotel the L'Auberge Del Mar).

BUT - READ ON - it says they checked into a different hotel Friday - the Hilton - and were seen together at a poker party that night at the Hilton Hotel.

It was at that poker party Friday nite when witnesses observed Fiore putting Jenkins down - not the other way around. She put HIM down; I take that to mean verbal insults from her directed at him. Friday night was the 14th.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/21/cops-searched-hotel-in-san-diego-ryan-jenkins-jasmine-fiore/

[lune3]

I heard on HLN he's a licensed flight instructor, so I think they're talking about him having access to a small plane that he could fly out of the country. Unless of course he had fake documents, as you said. MOO

His dad has a plane. And he could always rent one I guess (under an assumed name).

I bet though authorities have alerted all the small airports.

[lune3]

No, that's not what the link said. It said the General Manager of the L'Auberge Del Mar hotel said the two of them checked in the 13th and neither checked out formally. The only time *THEY* saw him was when he left alone Friday morning (from that particular hotel the L'Auberge Del Mar).

BUT - READ ON - it says they checked into a different hotel Friday - the Hilton - and were seen together at a poker party that night at the Hilton Hotel.

It was at that poker party Friday nite when witnesses observed Fiore putting Jenkins down - not the other way around. She put HIM down; I take that to mean verbal insults from her directed at him. Friday night was the 14th.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/21/cops-searched-hotel-in-san-diego-ryan-jenkins-jasmine-fiore/

There's some confusion over what tmz is reporting about the witnesses. No news agencies have mentioned the Hilton or the poker game IIRC.
But I did read (not from tmz) that LE speculates that Jasmine was killed "sometime after midnight on Friday" (sorry, I'd never find the link again) so it's probably true. If so, that didn't give him much time to get out of there, find somewhere else to mutilate her (and how did he have the means? Is this guy in the habit of carrying pliers and knives in his car?), and where? Then the 1.5 hours to drive to Buena Park, probably in the wee hours so as not to be seen. Jasmine was found Saturday morning.

[Adalena935]

I don't know. If his mother already aided him by delivering a boat to WA state, who knows what his parents are willing to do to help him. I guess that was before the warrant was issued though. If he gets to Central or South America, who knows how long he could hide out. Who was that guy? Ummmm, some heir to some fortune...cosmetics...it's on the tip of my tongue....didn't he hide out in S. America or Mexico for a very long time...The guy I'm thinking of, IIRC, video taped sex acts with women he'd drugged

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Luster

Andrew Luster. Trial started January of ‘03. He disappeared during the trial and was captured in Mexico in June ‘03, where he had been living more of his version of the high life surfing, drinking, etal under the assumed name David Carrera.

I hope they catch this guy soon. Would hate to think of him being a fugitive very long. Heaven knows who he might murder next.

[lune3]

That's right. They won't extradite if he faces the DP.

Unless there are "exceptional circumstances"

"That means Jenkins's fate could turn on whether gruesome details released Thursday by U.S. authorities — that Fiore's teeth and fingers were removed by her killer, apparently to prevent her identification — point to "exceptional circumstances" allowing Canada to extradite Jenkins without obtaining a no-execution guarantee from California prosecutors."

However, Calif would have to make it a DP case, and right now....

"But based on the evidence we have right now," Emami said, "we've filed one felony count of murder, and this case is not eligible for the death penalty."

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Manhunt+Ryan+Jenkins+raises+death+penalty+question s/1916568/story.html

[HALE 2d GNAW]

I heard on HLN he's a licensed flight instructor, so I think they're talking about him having access to a small plane that he could fly out of the country. Unless of course he had fake documents, as you said. MOO

This was discussed last night. There are links & info. His dad has a 19 seat jet

The bmw was still warm when LE got to it at marina. Weird he outran them. I guess it was confirmed to be him (vs a decoy??)

HLN is kind of hyping it. It is already sensational emough IMO. NG said Jasmine left virtually identifiable less the breast implants. She surely has heard of DNA. I changed the channel when she said Jasmine wasn't a striipper or a hooker. :flamingmad: So what if she was, as if it would make a difference in this gruesome crime.

[March2009]

THat email of his was so transparent. What a psycho.

He is filming this Megan show AFTER they are married in Vegas, is that right?



No. He went to Vegas immediately after Megan rejected him. It was at that time he met Jasmine (St. Patrick's Day). They were married 2 days later but the marriage was annulled in May.

[Adalena935]

There's some confusion over what tmz is reporting about the witnesses. No news agencies have mentioned the Hilton or the poker game IIRC.
But I did read (not from tmz) that LE speculates that Jasmine was killed "sometime after midnight on Friday" (sorry, I'd never find the link again) so it's probably true. If so, that didn't give him much time to get out of there, find somewhere else to mutilate her (and how did he have the means? Is this guy in the habit of carrying pliers and knives in his car?), and where? Then the 1.5 hours to drive to Buena Park, probably in the wee hours so as not to be seen. Jasmine was found Saturday morning.

Fox News, MSNBC & CNN has been reporting they were seen together at the San Diego poker party. I've been listening to them since this case broke. This is the first time I've had to read about it. They've all reported the couple was last seen at a poker tournament in San Diego friday nite. Radio news also. I read about the hotel from a linked story.

I don't know how long it takes to do what he did to her body. I've never murdered anyone before and done that. It doesn't take long to drive from San Diego to Burna Park, though. Sun doesn't come up 'til after 6:00a.m.

Let's assume they left say at 12:30a.m. and sun doesn't come up unitil after 6:00a.m. that gave him about 6 hours with only a 1 1/2 hour drive time. That left him 4 1/2 hours to murder & mutilate her in. They found her body Saturday a.m. Apparently he had ample time to do this crime in since they're saying he did it. And I'm only assuming he dumped her body in the dumpster before sun up. He may have done it after sun up which would've given him even more time.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Murdered-Model-Last-Seen-in-San-Diego--53690247.html

This says he reported her missing on Saturday. In So. Calif no one would take particular notice of anyone dumping a suitcase in a dumpster I don't think that would arouse much attn. After a body is found in it, yeah! But before anyone knows there's a dead body in it, naw.

He thought he needed to report her missing, so he wasn't very confident her body would be found anytime soon apparently. All he had to do was leave and they may never have found her body.

[Adalena935]

No. He went to Vegas immediately after Megan rejected him. It was at that time he met Jasmine (St. Patrick's Day). They were married 2 days later but the marriage was annulled in May.

I had forgotten I had seen him before until I read your post. That show with the girl named Megan with him in it was advertised on another channel I was watching. I never watch VH1 and couldn't even tell anyone how to find it. I may have seen that ad for that show on the channel directory. I thought he looked familiar! ugh. how scary.

I've read (links posted upthread) these young women worked at Vegas strip clubs. And those shows filmed in Hollywood Hills. They apparently don't screen these young men well and attract riff-raff. Maybe this horrible tragedy will put them off the air.

[Adalena935]

This was discussed last night. There are links & info. His dad has a 19 seat jet

The bmw was still warm when LE got to it at marina. Weird he outran them. I guess it was confirmed to be him (vs a decoy??)

HLN is kind of hyping it. It is already sensational emough IMO. NG said Jasmine left virtually identifiable less the breast implants. She surely has heard of DNA. I changed the channel when she said Jasmine wasn't a striipper or a hooker. :flamingmad: So what if she was, as if it would make a difference in this gruesome crime.

It doesn't make any difference except to WARN other young women of supposed risky lifestyles. MURDER IS ALWAYS ILLEGAL. No one's saying that. However news links, some of which I've read this evening and have been posted upthread say she and Megan worked at Vegas strip clubs. If other young women become warned, then good maybe lives might be saved.

AP news is carrying the info. from google search

[HALE 2d GNAW]

Fox News, MSNBC & CNN has been reporting they were seen together at the San Diego poker party. I've been listening to them since this case broke. This is the first time I've had to read about it. They've all reported the couple was last seen at a poker tournament in San Diego friday nite. Radio news also. I read about the hotel from a linked story.

I don't know how long it takes to do what he did to her body. I've never murdered anyone before and done that. It doesn't take long to drive from San Diego to Burna Park, though. Sun doesn't come up 'til after 6:00a.m.

Let's assume they left say at 12:30a.m. and sun doesn't come up unitil after 6:00a.m. that gave him about 6 hours with only a 1 1/2 hour drive time. That left him 4 1/2 hours to murder & mutilate her in. They found her body Saturday a.m. Apparently he had ample time to do this crime in since they're saying he did it. And I'm only assuming he dumped her body in the dumpster before sun up. He may have done it after sun up which would've given him even more time.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Murdered-Model-Last-Seen-in-San-Diego--53690247.html

This says he reported her missing on Saturday. In So. Calif no one would take particular notice of anyone dumping a suitcase in a dumpster I don't think that would arouse much attn. After a body is found in it, yeah! But before anyone knows there's a dead body in it, naw.

He thought he needed to report her missing, so he wasn't very confident her body would be found anytime soon apparently. All he had to do was leave and they may never have found her body.


I'll take the word of the OC DA over the various media reports.

The Orange County district attorney's office said Fiore, 28, was last seen alive Aug. 13, when she and Jenkins went to an upscale Del Mar hotel together. Fiore and Jenkins had married, then had the marriage annulled, but were still dating

All of this has been discussed upthread. See manhunt link for source.

[HALE 2d GNAW]

It doesn't make any difference except to WARN other young women of supposed risky lifestyles. MURDER IS ALWAYS ILLEGAL. No one's saying that. However news links, some of which I've read this evening and have been posted upthread say she and Megan worked at Vegas strip clubs. If other young women become warned, then good maybe lives might be saved.

AP news is carrying the info. from google search


1) I don't care if she was a stripper or not. Apparently NG seemed to IMO. I changed the channel.


2) Maybe your google links will help you find the allegations that Megan was the source of the stripper stories. Whatever she did, she certainly used her body to her advantage.

3) Her photo is still being used by some Vegas hotline and or Howard Stern hotel biz. She is from Vegas. She was married in Vegas. Snapped in pools in Vegas. Ex/other lived in Vegas. Vegas is what it is.



4) If one wants to get a message out, it would be to use better judgment and not marry someone you just met 2 days ago. Esp in Vegas. But we seem to be a society of instant gratification. Such message will fall on deaf ears. Or some enchanted exception will pop up to negate this one.

But I digress. Her lifestyle choices aren't up for debate. But her slayer'ss surely are IMO

[March2009]

They have two cars. She either drove to the poker game or they met somewhere and he drove. Maybe her car is where ever she left it before the poker game? Maybe she went out on her own on Saturday and left her car somewhere ... then the murderer took her back to the trash bin outside her apartment? That doesn't sound right. It sounds like she was killed in the apartment ... and where was he at that time? Where was he when he reported her missing?

1. Her body was found Saturday morning in Buena Park. They lived in the Fairfax District 40 minutes away.

He had to drive through Buena Park to get home from San Diego Friday night. Her body was found in a dumpster right off the 5 freeway (.02 miles to be exact). Police believe she was killed in San Diego so he had roughly 2 hours to STOP anywhere on the way home to mutilate her body before making that real quick exit off the freeway to dispose of her body before he drove on home.

[HALE 2d GNAW]

More regarding charm school

"He presents as remorseful and accepts responsibility for his inappropriate actions," the probation officer wrote in summarizing Jenkins, who was handed a conditional discharge in January 2007 for common assault on an ex-girlfriend.

"He has strong family and community support and appears highly motivated to establish a successful career and lifestyle."


http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Jenkins+violent+addict+court+papers/1915450/story.html

That was related to his 2nd DV conviction. Both resulted in conditional discharge. The first one he hit because man had been in her apt. The 2nd one was trying to leave his apt.

I doubt he was the playa he presented. The only claim of him cheating csme from him. He didn't beat the 2 other exes in the story. Of cosuse they were probably faithful. More like his sexual prowess sounds more like sexual abuse IMO.

Also from same link, it sounds to me like he hasn't tried to contact Alain Hepner

The Crown strongly opposed a conditional discharge. I went to bat for him, like I do with all my clients," lawyer Alain Hepner, who represented Jenkins at the time, told the Herald on Thursday. "It (the discharge) was not appealed and he completed it successfully."

[Adalena935]

I'll take the word of the OC DA over the various media reports.

I know news reports can be sketchy early in any case but I was merely replying to the other poster. If not for news we wouldn't know anything about any case. I too read what the DA is said to have said, but that too is from news.

All of this has been discussed upthread. See manhunt link for source.

I know people discuss here at various times of the day. However I have a day job and just got home from work a little while ago and have to retire soon so I can sleep fast so I can go back to work again in the morning. I don't have time to read everything everyone says here all the time and I sure don't have time to read every link.

If I have time and opportunity I may try to catch up on my days off.

Be that as it may, even if I have passing interest in any given case sometimes I grow bored once I find out what's going on with any given case. To my knowledge and according to television and radio news this case just broke a couple of days ago so it's at least that new and no one knows very much concrete, carved in stone fact about it at any rate.

Given the case is only a couple of days old I've familiarized myself with it to the extent of having read quite a few news stories about it this evening before posting.

When I come into any thread I already know the thread is here and that there's many opinions, many posts, many links posted before I post mine. And many links read that I don't read and many links *I* read that not everyone else here has read.

There is no doubt in my mind that lots of things are always discussed here while I'm away doing other things life requires. LOL

[HALE 2d GNAW]

1. Her body was found Saturday morning in Buena Park. They lived in the Fairfax District 40 minutes away.

He had to drive through Buena Park to get home from San Diego Friday night. Her body was found in a dumpster right off the 5 freeway (.02 miles to be exact). Police believe she was killed in San Diego so he had roughly 2 hours to STOP anywhere on the way home to mutilate her body before making that real quick exit off the freeway to dispose of her body before he drove on home.

He was seen entering the Del Mar hotel with Jasmine Thur nite (13th). He was seen leaving the Del Mar hotel on Fri am (14th) with suitcases that look like one Jasmine was found in. LE

Where do you think he/they were (if Jasmine was alive 14th and the hotel cameras just failed to capture her exit)


Thanks for the info about route and mileage btw

[HALE 2d GNAW]

I know people discuss here at various times of the day. However I have a day job and just got home from work a little while ago and have to retire soon so I can sleep fast so I can go back to work again in the morning. I don't have time to read everything everyone says here all the time and I sure don't have time to read every link.

If I have time and opportunity I may try to catch up on my days off.

<<<snipped for length topic relevance>>

:lol: Your words belie your intentions IMO. All the info relevant to your topics are in the posts between the Andrew Luster one you quoted, the charm school label you replied to and the date last seen one you contested. But I suspect you knew all that?

[lune3]

He was seen entering the Del Mar hotel with Jasmine Thur nite (13th). He was seen leaving the Del Mar hotel on Fri am (14th) with suitcases that look like one Jasmine was found in. LE

Where do you think he/they were (if Jasmine was alive 14th and the hotel cameras just failed to capture her exit)


Thanks for the info about route and mileage btw

I also read in one of the links that he did not check out, (as captured by video camera). Simply walked out of the hotel. Odd thing to do unless he wanted to leave in a hurry ofcourse.

[Adalena935]

Her lifestyle choices aren't up for debate.

You just quoted me as having said it's in the news regarding this case. If it's in news it's permitted.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=AP+Fiore+Jenkins+met+strip+club&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

Results 1 - 10 of about 130,000 for AP Fiore Jenkins met strip club. (0.62 seconds)

[HALE 2d GNAW]

I also read in one of the links that he did not check out, (as captured by video camera). Simply walked out of the hotel. Odd thing to do unless he wanted to leave in a hurry ofcourse.


ITA. I read the same information as you. LE or DA was the source.

READ ON

[tinkerbell]

I also read in one of the links that he did not check out, (as captured by video camera). Simply walked out of the hotel. Odd thing to do unless he wanted to leave in a hurry ofcourse.

Walking out without formally checking is not an unusual thing for a frequent traveler to do; especially if the hotel offers express checkout, including a final invoice/statement slipped under the door of the hotel room.

I think the smoking gun here is that he was caught on video with a piece of luggage leaving for the final time.

Hopefully the luggage can easily be matched.

moo

[Adalena935]

:lol: Your words belie your intentions IMO. All the info relevant to your topics are in the posts between the Andrew Luster one you quoted, the charm school label you replied to and the date last seen one you contested. But I suspect you knew all that?

I didn't quote about Andrew Luster. I posted his name #177

Your charm school reference and the rest; I have no idea what you're going on about. shrug

[lune3]

Walking out without formally checking is not an unusual thing for a frequent traveler to do; especially if the hotel offers express checkout, including a final invoice/statement slipped under the door of the hotel room.

I think the smoking gun here is that he was caught on video with a piece of luggage leaving for the final time.

Hopefully the luggage can easily be matched.

moo

Yes, that's true.
The luggage...apparently it is. A link upthread somewhere mentioned that a suitcase he was carrying matches, or at least is similar to, the one found in the dumpster. IIRC.

[tinkerbell]

Yes, that's true.
The luggage...apparently it is. A link upthread somewhere mentioned that a suitcase he was carrying matches, or at least is similar to, the one found in the dumpster. IIRC.

I hope it's a match; along with DNA, fingerprints and of course an arrest!

moo

[HALE 2d GNAW]

His dad has a plane. And he could always rent one I guess (under an assumed name).

I bet though authorities have alerted all the small airports.

whoah lune3. READ ON

"He has the resources to hide anywhere in the world . . . we understand he's from a very wealthy family," said Susan Kang Schroeder, a spokeswoman for the Orange County district attorney's office.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Canada+alert+Calgarian+suspected+mutilation+death+ wife/1915452/story.html

Does it sound to you like officials have changed their tune since the link about the boat chase?

[Jester]

1. Her body was found Saturday morning in Buena Park. They lived in the Fairfax District 40 minutes away.

He had to drive through Buena Park to get home from San Diego Friday night. Her body was found in a dumpster right off the 5 freeway (.02 miles to be exact). Police believe she was killed in San Diego so he had roughly 2 hours to STOP anywhere on the way home to mutilate her body before making that real quick exit off the freeway to dispose of her body before he drove on home.

Thanks. I'm a little behind in the updates ... so much information swirling around about this. I thought she was in the dumpster outside of her apartment.

[Jester]

More regarding charm school



http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Jenkins+violent+addict+court+papers/1915450/story.html

That was related to his 2nd DV conviction. Both resulted in conditional discharge. The first one he hit because man had been in her apt. The 2nd one was trying to leave his apt.

I doubt he was the playa he presented. The only claim of him cheating csme from him. He didn't beat the 2 other exes in the story. Of cosuse they were probably faithful. More like his sexual prowess sounds more like sexual abuse IMO.

Also from same link, it sounds to me like he hasn't tried to contact Alain Hepner

What two convictions? He was charged in 2005, it was wrapped up in 2007 when he was given a 15 month sentence. What's the second charge?

[lune3]

The US Coast guard is denying they chased the boat, but OC DA office, and US Customs and Border Patrol officials are saying they did. Apparently they were looking for him on Wednesday already. It seems authorities already suspected he might try to cross up there. I wonder what tipped them off.
Unless authorities had the info that Jenkin's mom was in Seattle or simply because as a Canadian, they deduced he might.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090821/national/us_reality_contestant_slaying

[Adalena935]

I never watched the show this Ryan was on and only saw clips of it as I watched Nancy Grace but wow, this guy is a creep for sure. How did the production company not pick up on his background report? I don't understand that.

He obviously thought he was being slick by removing her teeth and fingers but doesn't he know there are people who dive in dumpsters looking for cans etc? Not very smart of him afterall to put her body inside a suitcase and dump it as he did. I hope they catch this guy and get him off the streets ASAP.

Yes I know he is presumed innocent but I think it is safe to say he probably did kill her. My humble opinion.

Bolding mine> We're left to assume they're inept?, not so pristine?, don't care so much? I hope they catch him soon too. I have a feeling they will get lucky and nab him before long. With them issuing the arrest warrant they seem confident he's their man.

The law obviously thinks a defendant is guilty or they wouldn't bring them before a court of law and set out to prove it.

[Adalena935]

The US Coast guard is denying they chased the boat, but OC DA office, and US Customs and Border Patrol officials are saying they did. Apparently they were looking for him on Wednesday already. It seems authorities already suspected he might try to cross up there. I wonder what tipped them off.
Unless authorities had the info that Jenkin's mom was in Seattle or simply because as a Canadian, they deduced he might.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090821/national/us_reality_contestant_slaying

That happens often times early in cases. One entity will confirm, while another will deny, while another will re-confirm, while another will deny the re-confirmation.

[HALE 2d GNAW]

What two convictions? He was charged in 2005, it was wrapped up in 2007 when he was given a 15 month sentence. What's the second charge?

You can find first reference in link at post #135. That site will give you all the details in their related topics links posted in various threads here too

1st case = 1999 2nd = 2005

Maybe convictions was the wrong word to use? Not sure how a conditional discharge translates to our system. A plea or settlement?

[lune3]

whoah lune3. READ ON



http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Canada+alert+Calgarian+suspected+mutilation+death+ wife/1915452/story.html

Does it sound to you like officials have changed their tune since the link about the boat chase?

"Hession said the U. S. Marshals fugitive team is working with Canadian law enforcement in locating Jenkins, noting they will look at charges if friends or family are found to be helping him.

"Anybody that assists him, helps him in any way, is also subject to being charged as aiding and abetting and harbouring a fugitive," Hession said."

Bolded by me. This seems to be a stern warning to the family, given their wealth and the means to aid him.

[Adalena935]

What two convictions? He was charged in 2005, it was wrapped up in 2007 when he was given a 15 month sentence. What's the second charge?

June of this year in Clark County, Nevada according to this. It also says there's record of their marriage, but no annullment in NV or CA where they lived. Maybe she told her Mother the marriage was annulled, but it wasn't really annulled. Perhaps to soothe any fears about the guy her Mother may have had. So sad. What a monster.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090821/national/us_reality_contestant_slaying

Court records show Jenkins was charged in June in Clark County, Nev., with a misdemeanour count of "battery constituting domestic violence" for allegedly hitting Fiore in the arm and was set to be tried in December.

[MsBondJamesBond]

Wait, the above article is saying he walked into Canada from Blaine, not from Pt Roberts?That's not what I got from reading the article. It says the car and empty boat trailer were in Blaine and that after the chase in and out of Canadian waters that he took the boat to another marina and walked in to Canada.

[MsBondJamesBond]

There is an unconfirmed report that he was seen in Nanaimo this morning. Nanaimo is a small coastal village on Vancouver Island.)I was there many years ago). Whether he was/is there or not, a positive thing is that the news has reached the public, in outlying places even, as a man there called authorities.

Also in this article, regarding the boat chase, it states the boat was found in Pt Rupert (not Blaine as previously mistakenly reported).

Authorities also state it's possible he left the country...boarded a plane (though I don't see how he could have taken a commercial flight unless he had fake documents)

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090821/national/us_reality_contestant_slaying


Bolding above is mine.

I'm just not seeing any Pt. Rupert in the article. Twice I see it stated that the boat was found in Point Robert. Never have I heard or read in any of the links that the boat was found in Blaine. The SUV BMW and EMPTY trailer were found in Blaine. He took off from there with the boat and the boat was found at the Marina at Pt. Robert.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090821/national/us_reality_contestant_slaying

"But coast guard and U.S. Customs and Border Patrol officials confirm they had boats patrolling northwest Washington waters looking for Jenkins last Wednesday in the hours before the Calgarian's boat turned up at the marina in Point Roberts, Wash."

"Jenkins' boat was discovered tied up at the Point Roberts, Wash., marina, about 40 kilometres south of Vancouver. "



I'm not trying to be petty about these details but I just want to keep the story straight. :smile:

[lune3]

That's not what I got from reading the article. It says the car and empty boat trailer were in Blaine and that after the chase in and out of Canadian waters that he took the boat to another marina and walked in to Canada.

I probably misread then.

But here is an article stating Jenkins went back to Blaine and took off on foot from there:
"When Canadian officials pursued Jenkins in their national waters, according to the source, Jenkins was believed to have returned to a Blaine marina before taking off by foot into Canada."

IMO, this report is wrong. The source may have been misinformed. If you look at the Blaine map on google, the distance from the marina and the Canadian border is a bit far to go on foot anyway.

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-missing-swimsuit-model,0,7187587.story

[HALE 2d GNAW]

"Hession said the U. S. Marshals fugitive team is working with Canadian law enforcement in locating Jenkins, noting they will look at charges if friends or family are found to be helping him.

"Anybody that assists him, helps him in any way, is also subject to being charged as aiding and abetting and harbouring a fugitive," oHession said."

Bolded by me. This seems to be a stern warning to the family, given their wealth and the means to aid him.


Do you think it will be enough to be effective? Are they hoping that "someone" is going to come to their senses and come forward? IF the family is so wealthy, would $25,000 be effective? the reward is intended to lure out those that might have 3rd party info.Just thinking out loud lol.

Sad that such a warning has to be issued in the first place. It would be enough for most that there was an international alert draws attention of the best trained agencies. Not exactly Andy & Barn. Without even that, the pesky little detail about enabling a suspected mutilating murderer would scare the beejuice out of me.

[Jester]

You can find first reference in link at post #135. That site will give you all the details in their related topics links posted in various threads here too

1st case = 1999 2nd = 2005

Maybe convictions was the wrong word to use? Not sure how a conditional discharge translates to our system. A plea or settlement?

Thank you. I didn't realize that there was a 1999 charge.

It's like a second chance to go straight and not have a criminal record. I'm not sure what the equivalent would be. A plea means guilty, a settlement means compensation. Conditional discharge means the charges will be dismissed if certain conditions are met.

[HALE 2d GNAW]

I probably misread then.

But here is an article stating Jenkins went back to Blaine and took off on foot from there:
"When Canadian officials pursued Jenkins in their national waters, according to the source, Jenkins was believed to have returned to a Blaine marina before taking off by foot into Canada."

IMO, this report is wrong. The source may have been misinformed. If you look at the Blaine map on google, the distance from the marina and the Canadian border is a bit far to go on foot anyway.

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-missing-swimsuit-model,0,7187587.story


Maybe this one where it says they found bmw engine still warm? (originally in post #156)


Quote:
Ryan Alexander Jenkins, wanted in the murder of model Jasmine Fiore, led authorities on a high-speed boat chase several miles off the coast near Blaine, Wash., law enforcement sources told The Times today.

Authorities tracked Jenkins to a marina in Blaine on Wednesday night and came upon his car and empty boat trailer, the sources said, who spoke on the condition that they not be named because it was an ongoing investigation.

The engine of the car was still warm and the U.S. Coast Guard was alerted. A Coast Guard cutter came upon a speed boat several miles off the coast that was believed to belong to Jenkins. Coast Guard officials shone lights on the speed boat and began approaching, the sources said.

The speed boat then fled into Canadian waters, sources said. Authorities there were notified and chased it with a helicopter and a boat, but the speed boat crossed back into U.S. waters.

They found fresh footprints but lost him

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/

[MsBondJamesBond]

Thank you. I didn't realize that there was a 1999 charge.

It's like a second chance to go straight and not have a criminal record. I'm not sure what the equivalent would be. A plea means guilty, a settlement means compensation. Conditional discharge means the charges will be dismissed if certain conditions are met.Don't we call if having a record expunged?

[MsBondJamesBond]

I probably misread then.

But here is an article stating Jenkins went back to Blaine and took off on foot from there:
"When Canadian officials pursued Jenkins in their national waters, according to the source, Jenkins was believed to have returned to a Blaine marina before taking off by foot into Canada."

IMO, this report is wrong. The source may have been misinformed. If you look at the Blaine map on google, the distance from the marina and the Canadian border is a bit far to go on foot anyway.

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-missing-swimsuit-model,0,7187587.story

Yes, I think KTLA missed that little fact that the boat was found in Point Roberts.

[Jester]

Do you think it will be enough to be effective? Are they hoping that "someone" is going to come to their senses and come forward? IF the family is so wealthy, would $25,000 be effective? the reward is intended to lure out those that might have 3rd party info.Just thinking out loud lol.

Sad that such a warning has to be issued in the first place. It would be enough for most that there was an international alert draws attention of the best trained agencies. Not exactly Andy & Barn. Without even that, the pesky little detail about enabling a suspected mutilating murderer would scare the beejuice out of me.

$25k might entice druggies or others in need of money, but I don't think it makes any difference to anyone that Ryan might be with.

Some people might be thinking that he's innocent, and that there is no evidence beyond Ryan being the last person seen with Jasmine. If they believe there's no evidence - and we haven't heard of any - then they might want to help him.

[MsBondJamesBond]

Maybe this one where it says they found bmw engine still warm? (originally in post #156)


Quote:
Ryan Alexander Jenkins, wanted in the murder of model Jasmine Fiore, led authorities on a high-speed boat chase several miles off the coast near Blaine, Wash., law enforcement sources told The Times today.

Authorities tracked Jenkins to a marina in Blaine on Wednesday night and came upon his car and empty boat trailer, the sources said, who spoke on the condition that they not be named because it was an ongoing investigation.

The engine of the car was still warm and the U.S. Coast Guard was alerted. A Coast Guard cutter came upon a speed boat several miles off the coast that was believed to belong to Jenkins. Coast Guard officials shone lights on the speed boat and began approaching, the sources said.

The speed boat then fled into Canadian waters, sources said. Authorities there were notified and chased it with a helicopter and a boat, but the speed boat crossed back into U.S. waters.

They found fresh footprints but lost him

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/

That was interesting because I had never envisioned the trip from Blaine to Point Roberts occuring in the dark. It makes it a little easier to understand him giving them the slip if that's what happened since the chase story is in dispute.

[Jester]

Don't we call if having a record expunged?

There was nothing to expunge. He was charged, he appeared in court, his lawyer successfully had the charges reduced, he returned to court after his 15 months, everything dismissed ... he has a clean record - no convictions to expunge.

[MsBondJamesBond]

$25k might entice druggies or others in need of money, but I don't think it makes any difference to anyone that Ryan might be with.

Some people might be thinking that he's innocent, and that there is no evidence beyond Ryan being the last person seen with Jasmine. If they believe there's no evidence - and we haven't heard of any - then they might want to help him.
It could entice a third party. Someone in the employ of the Jenkins' for instance. An employee at an airport who spots the scumbag making an exit out of the country.

[MsBondJamesBond]

There was nothing to expunge. He was charged, he appeared in court, his lawyer successfully had the charges reduced, he returned to court after his 15 months, everything dismissed ... he has a clean record - no convictions to expunge.You asked in your post what the equivalent would be. I thought you meant the equivalent here in the USA. Forget it.

[HALE 2d GNAW]

Thank you. I didn't realize that there was a 1999 charge.

It's like a second chance to go straight and not have a criminal record. I'm not sure what the equivalent would be. A plea means guilty, a settlement means compensation. Conditional discharge means the charges will be dismissed if certain conditions are met.


Does our judicial system have a conditional discharge ? tia

I thought your confusion stemmed from me using the word 'conviction' to describe the disposition Ryan's charges in Canadian courts. As I am well aware of what our legal sytem terms mean, I was wondering what would be the best term to realate the conditional discharge to our system. Apologies in advance i didn't clarify so good :woot:

[March2009]

Ryan Jenkins has been arrested!!

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/22/report-ryan-jenkins-arrested/

[HALE 2d GNAW]

Don't we call if having a record expunged?


Now we're cooking lol.

Expunged in US means erased from permanent records, not merely an arrest resulting in dismissed charges, right?

Does conditional discharge in Canada do the same to one's record?

This came about when a poster asked what a background check would have shown about Ryan IF the producers of that *contest show* had actually performed one properly

An expunged record would not come up. Does the conditional discharge work the same way? The pubic information now out on his conditional discharges are result of public record search by media or some type of waiver and release on behalf of law enforcement agencies?

IOW, a routine criminal background check by a private agency won't turn up expunged records in US. Would it have turned up conditional discharge records in Canada?

Since filming was in Mexico, I doubt they bothered with what the US or Canadian policies regarding criminal records checks OR paying contestants but that's just my uninformed opinon

[HALE 2d GNAW]

Ryan Jenkins has been arrested!!

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/22/report-ryan-jenkins-arrested/

Thanks for the GREAT NEWS! On an outbound plane. Bet he had a mess to clean up when popo boarded

[HALE 2d GNAW]

It could entice a third party. Someone in the employ of the Jenkins' for instance. An employee at an airport who spots the scumbag making an exit out of the country.

Thank you. Turns out it might have gone down precisely as you describe. Busted on a plane waiting to take off

[kelloggirl]

Crap! Premature reporting. Ryan Jenkins NOT Arrested. The link posted above has been updated.

[MsBondJamesBond]

Crap! Premature reporting. Ryan Jenkins NOT Arrested. The link posted above has been updated.
Damn, damn, damn, damn, damn! :cursing:

[Jester]

Arrest?

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-missing-swimsuit-model,0,7187587.story

[HALE 2d GNAW]

$25k might entice druggies or others in need of money, but I don't think it makes any difference to anyone that Ryan might be with.

Some people might be thinking that he's innocent, and that there is no evidence beyond Ryan being the last person seen with Jasmine. If they believe there's no evidence - and we haven't heard of any - then they might want to help him.


I am sorry but I completely disagree with everything you said except the part I pointed out to begin iwth *** The reward wasn't intended for family should they be aiding him. It was intended for some employee, bystander, keen observer..... ***

I don't know what you coinsider evidence, but please don't speak of what WE have heard of. As I have heard enough to know there is probable cause to arrest him.

I don't know how others guide their moral compass. But speaking for myself, it does't matter if I think one is innocent. Aiding a fugitive is illegal. I have no delusion I can outfox the US marshals or any other LE agency. But it was an international manhunt. How does that help anything? It's not like this is some spygate scandal. Being in custody wasn't going to jeopordize proving Ryan innocent - if one believes that to be the case. We have due process. He deserves it. If you want to try and justify how someone might have been helping him break the law, well you know that old saying *** 2 wrongs don't make a right.

But 2 parties might end up on the wrong side of the law.

[HALE 2d GNAW]

Crap! Premature reporting. Ryan Jenkins NOT Arrested. The link posted above has been updated.

Darn.

So some whack just said he was Ryan when asked? Is it a relative, a decoy or just an unfortunate passenger???

[lune3]

Arrest?

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-missing-swimsuit-model,0,7187587.story

"Officials of the Toronto Police Department have confirmed that a man they took into custody at the Toronto's Pearson International Airport Friday night was positively identified as fugitive Ryan Jenkins."

Don't know whether to believe this. ktla had the boat chase wrongly reported too. May be the same source as the tmz one who was wrong.

[MsBondJamesBond]

"Officials of the Toronto Police Department have confirmed that a man they took into custody at the Toronto's Pearson International Airport Friday night was positively identified as fugitive Ryan Jenkins."

Don't know whether to believe this. ktla had the boat chase wrongly reported too. May be the same source as the tmz one who was wrong.
That link was just updated at 10:55 PM Pacific time to say that it was NOT Ryan Jenkins.

[HALE 2d GNAW]

Canadian authorities late Friday detained a man resembling accused killer Ryan Alexander Jenkins, only to let him walk two hours later when they confirmed through fingerprints that he was just that: a look-alike.

Late Friday, Canadian authorities said they took a man fitting Jenkins’ description into custody at Toronto Pearson International Airport at 11:35 p.m. EDT. Staff Sgt. Keith Brodie of the Peel Regional Police said they arrested the man at an arrival gate after receiving information from police in Vancouver, where he boarded the flight.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/

[MsBondJamesBond]

At least we know authorities, airports, etc are all on high alert and paying attention looking for this guy.

[lune3]

At least we know authorities, airports, etc are all on high alert and paying attention looking for this guy.

I'm sure the small airports and plane rental facilities as well are all alerted, both in Canada and in neighbouring US states. He would be a fool to try flying out of the area.

[lune3]

Canadian authorities late Friday detained a man resembling accused killer Ryan Alexander Jenkins, only to let him walk two hours later when they confirmed through fingerprints that he was just that: a look-alike.

Late Friday, Canadian authorities said they took a man fitting Jenkins’ description into custody at Toronto Pearson International Airport at 11:35 p.m. EDT. Staff Sgt. Keith Brodie of the Peel Regional Police said they arrested the man at an arrival gate after receiving information from police in Vancouver, where he boarded the flight.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/

Poor guy. Must have been a surprise to be detained. I wonder if he sensed anything unusual from the personnel on the flight. I know,... they would be professional enough not to let on he was under suspicion.

[HALE 2d GNAW]

I had forgotten I had seen him before until I read your post. That show with the girl named Megan with him in it was advertised on another channel I was watching. I never watch VH1 and couldn't even tell anyone how to find it. I may have seen that ad for that show on the channel directory. I thought he looked familiar! ugh. how scary.

I've read (links posted upthread) these young women worked at Vegas strip clubs. And those shows filmed in Hollywood Hills. They apparently don't screen these young men well and attract riff-raff. Maybe this horrible tragedy will put them off the air.

BBM. I don't know what link you allege to have read that the shows took place in the Hollywood Hills. It is simply not true and I hope the site you read will correct that info soon.

Jenkins was in Mexico to compete for both *reality* shows. It's in all the links I have read upthread.

As for the "riff-raff," they are everywhere you go. It's much easier for me to just keep my distance from them

[BorderCollieMom]

I thought he had a criminal record, but he doesn't. He was given a 15 months sentence that, with good behavior, would remove any criminal conviction ... clean record. I think it's called a conditional discharge. A background search may have uncovered the original charges, but a criminal record check would have been clean.

There was only one assault charge from a girlfriend ... no conviction ... no criminal record.


That explains alot. Thanks Jester ! :)

People that didnt see the episodes of Meg/Mill keep saying how creepy he was, etc...

Actually, there was another guy on the show that was REAL CREEPY. Cant recall his name but he was booted pretty fast. When I first heard this, my first thought was that was him instead of it being Ryan.

FWIW....I think alot of of the people on reality shoes may have a record of some sort.
I doubt Bret Michaels is squeeky clean. I think one of the girls on the last Charm School actually had a warrant for arrest while she was on the show....and she knew it & talked about it. Im sure theres others.

[BorderCollieMom]

This was discussed last night. There are links & info. His dad has a 19 seat jet

The bmw was still warm when LE got to it at marina. Weird he outran them. I guess it was confirmed to be him (vs a decoy??)

HLN is kind of hyping it. It is already sensational emough IMO. NG said Jasmine left virtually identifiable less the breast implants. She surely has heard of DNA. I changed the channel when she said Jasmine wasn't a striipper or a hooker. :flamingmad: So what if she was, as if it would make a difference in this gruesome crime.

Nancy is doing a crappy job w/ info on this case. Last night she responded to caller saying that Jasmine & Ryan has NO prenup.....that caller was clearly talking about MEGAN & Ryan...he told MEGAN he wouldnt make her sign a prenup.

Since all of this started, Nancy Grace has gotten alot of stuff wrong !

[BorderCollieMom]

No. He went to Vegas immediately after Megan rejected him. It was at that time he met Jasmine (St. Patrick's Day). They were married 2 days later but the marriage was annulled in May.

Has the annullment been confirmed yet ? Last I heard public records & such are showing them still married.

[BorderCollieMom]

It doesn't make any difference except to WARN other young women of supposed risky lifestyles. MURDER IS ALWAYS ILLEGAL. No one's saying that. However news links, some of which I've read this evening and have been posted upthread say she and Megan worked at Vegas strip clubs. If other young women become warned, then good maybe lives might be saved.

AP news is carrying the info. from google search


Alot of the news sources said::::
Both the roommate and the friend say Fiore was not a stripper and that Fiore and Jenkins met at a Hawaiian Tropic event in Vegas. And Playboy says Fiore worked as a promo model for a "Girls of Golf" event one time 4 years ago and hasn't worked for Playboy since.

I think its very possible that the contest was in a strip club.

jmo

[BorderCollieMom]

He was seen entering the Del Mar hotel with Jasmine Thur nite (13th). He was seen leaving the Del Mar hotel on Fri am (14th) with suitcases that look like one Jasmine was found in. LE

Where do you think he/they were (if Jasmine was alive 14th and the hotel cameras just failed to capture her exit)


Thanks for the info about route and mileage btw


I dont think THAT suitcase he had when he left contained Jasmine.
Pretty much all reports & the man that found the suitcase said it was "blood stained". Also, LE Going on to say that there was NO blood or evidence of foul play in the hotel room.

[HALE 2d GNAW]

I dont think THAT suitcase he had when he left contained Jasmine.
Pretty much all reports & the man that found the suitcase said it was "blood stained". Also, LE Going on to say that there was NO blood or evidence of foul play in the hotel room.


I am on the fence regarding the suitcase being "the one" It could be the largest one in the set. Could be Jasmine was unconscious when he left with it. Could be irrelevant. But I believe LE knows lots more than they are saying.

I haven't seen LE say what they found in the room. But I could have missed it. Do you recall? I remember the hotel manager saying LE didn't find much. His walls are thin. all NIMBY

LE did not blurt out the mutilation deteails. At the presser, a reporter asked LE if there was any mutilation.

Agent took a deep sigh and said "We are prepared to answer that question" and then revealed the fingers & teeth info. Jasmine's mother collapsed at that point.

The warrant was issued by the court per the DA's filing.They have probable cause to arrest him. He will be afforded due process. So I don't have an evidence issue.

[KatieLady]

I am on the fence regarding the suitcase being "the one" It could be the largest one in the set. Could be Jasmine was unconscious when he left with it. Could be irrelevant. But I believe LE knows lots more than they are saying.

I haven't seen LE say what they found in the room. But I could have missed it. Do you recall? I remember the hotel manager saying LE didn't find much. His walls are thin. all NIMBY

LE did not blurt out the mutilation deteails. At the presser, a reporter asked LE if there was any mutilation.

Agent took a deep sigh and said "We are prepared to answer that question" and then revealed the fingers & teeth info. Jasmine's mother collapsed at that point.

The warrant was issued by the court per the DA's filing.They have probable cause to arrest him. He will be afforded due process. So I don't have an evidence issue.

Watching the local news last night, it certainly was alluded to about her being in that suitcase as Jasmine was not seen after that evening of fighting with him in LV.

It was reported that LE have him on video leaving the hotel with his suitcase(s) so I am sure that they know if it was "the" suitcase.

So horrible :sad:

[Adalena935]

Alot of the news sources said::::
Both the roommate and the friend say Fiore was not a stripper and that Fiore and Jenkins met at a Hawaiian Tropic event in Vegas. And Playboy says Fiore worked as a promo model for a "Girls of Golf" event one time 4 years ago and hasn't worked for Playboy since.

I think its very possible that the contest was in a strip club.

jmo

I watched the replay of Nancy Grace's show last night and she seemed adamant that she wasn't a hooker. I never heard any such thing except from Nancy Grace. Course she also said in the next breath that Canada welcomes criminals/murderers so it's safe to assume she's into sensationalism.

She had no problem bashing the Van Dam parents when their little 6 yr old daughter was brutally murdered by a neighbor. That clued me how sincere she is about bashing victims. It sickened me and broke my heart for the parents (victims).

First of all Las Vegas has no shortage of nude women on stage. people from all over the world go there to shows. So it's not the shameful thing N. Grace portrays it as. Plus I doubt very much the nation of Canada welcomes murderers. The reporter at the border had to stop her or try to. She's not shy about bashing anyone if it means sensationalism for it's own sake for her own show.

As if anyone needs her telling them how awful murder is and what to think of it.

[Jester]

Has the annullment been confirmed yet ? Last I heard public records & such are showing them still married.

That's what I'm hearing too. Jasmine said the marriage was annulled, but there's no record of that so far. If they were still married, it puts things in a different perspective. Although they married after only knowing each other for 2 days, marriage is not a joke ... it's a commitment. Any man with a wife that's tormenting him by contacting ex-boyfriends, and making plans to see them, would appear to putting her husband on an emotional rollercoaster. Murder certainly isn't the solution, but it seems like these two were passionate and spontaneous ... and it seems like Jasmine was using jealousy as a weapon. Most 28 year old married women know better than to flirt with an ex-boyfriend under the nose of her husband ... it's cruel, if nothing else.

[Jester]

I dont think THAT suitcase he had when he left contained Jasmine.
Pretty much all reports & the man that found the suitcase said it was "blood stained". Also, LE Going on to say that there was NO blood or evidence of foul play in the hotel room.

TMZ said last night that the "smoking gun is a suitcase". I read too that there was blood on the suitcase. Since there was no evidence of a murder in the hotel, and the body was dumped between midnight and 7 AM, I have to wonder where the body was mutilated. Do we know when he left the hotel? I know there was video footage of him leaving, but a time would be helpful.

[Jester]

Watching the local news last night, it certainly was alluded to about her being in that suitcase as Jasmine was not seen after that evening of fighting with him in LV.

It was reported that LE have him on video leaving the hotel with his suitcase(s) so I am sure that they know if it was "the" suitcase.

So horrible :sad:

Her mom said that her suitcase was overstuffed with clothes when she left to go to the poker game. I wonder where the clothes are. If they're at the hotel, then I think it's clear that she died at the hotel and was taken out in a suitcase (that feels weird to write). If the clothes haven't been found, it sounds off. Do we know if the clothes been found?

[KatieLady]

TMZ said last night that the "smoking gun is a suitcase". I read too that there was blood on the suitcase. Since there was no evidence of a murder in the hotel, and the body was dumped between midnight and 7 AM, I have to wonder where the body was mutilated. Do we know when he left the hotel? I know there was video footage of him leaving, but a time would be helpful.

IIRC it was said somewhere that it was very early in the morning. Can't remember where I heard that!

Also, the drive from LV to LA is all desert. He could have stopped anywhere along the way. Pulled off into the desert and not been seen IMO

[KatieLady]

Her mom said that her suitcase was overstuffed with clothes when she left to go to the poker game. I wonder where the clothes are. If they're at the hotel, then I think it's clear that she died at the hotel and was taken out in a suitcase (that feels weird to write). If the clothes haven't been found, it sounds off. Do we know if the clothes been found?



I haven't heard Jester but I would bet that he brought them back to the house if he was trying to convince LE that she made it home alive IMO

[Jester]

I watched the replay of Nancy Grace's show last night and she seemed adamant that she wasn't a hooker. I never heard any such thing except from Nancy Grace. Course she also said in the next breath that Canada welcomes criminals/murderers so it's safe to assume she's into sensationalism.

She had no problem bashing the Van Dam parents when their little 6 yr old daughter was brutally murdered by a neighbor. That clued me how sincere she is about bashing victims. It sickened me and broke my heart for the parents (victims).

First of all Las Vegas has no shortage of nude women on stage. people from all over the world go there to shows. So it's not the shameful thing N. Grace portrays it as. Plus I doubt very much the nation of Canada welcomes murderers. The reporter at the border had to stop her or try to. She's not shy about bashing anyone if it means sensationalism for it's own sake for her own show.

As if anyone needs her telling them how awful murder is and what to think of it.

I think Canadians across the country were shocked and offended by Nancy's comments about Canada. The border is a two way street, but NG somehow implied that the weakness at that particular border crossing was Canada's invitation to murderers to come on in. The border is the responsibility of both countries. The US had the arrest warrant and wanted to capture Ryan, yet when he slipped through the border it was because Canada invited a murderer? Looking to place blame elsewhere?

"I want to go back to the U.S.-Canadian border. Standing by, Carolyn Jarvis, with the "Global National Report" from CNN affiliate, Global News.

Carolyn, walk me through how this may have happened. I`m already learning from you that there was no posting up. There was no alert. Nothing at the U.S.-Canadian border.

CAROLYN JARVIS, GLOBAL NATIONAL REPORT: Yes.

GRACE: As this woman means absolutely nothing. It`s like they invite him. Please, come hide in Canada.

JARVIS: OK, there is no invitation to come to Canada. Let`s be clear. And the welcome mat certainly is not out by Canadian authorities. They are looking for him high and low. But getting into Canada from this point in the United States is pretty easy if you`re determined to do it. In fact, even if you`re not, for that matter."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0908/21/ng.01.html

[Jester]

IIRC it was said somewhere that it was very early in the morning. Can't remember where I heard that!

Also, the drive from LV to LA is all desert. He could have stopped anywhere along the way. Pulled off into the desert and not been seen IMO

That's another point that's bothering me. Why didn't he leave her body in the desert? I expect he has GPS on his vehicle, and maybe his movements can be tracked using that. Still, though, if he'd left her in the desert, she could have been "missing" for a long time, and he could have distanced himself from the murder ... that part doesn't make sense to me.