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flipflop

08-22-2009, 09:22 AM

Michael Jackson's Kids Could Turn Preppy

Posted Aug 22nd 2009 1:13AM by TMZ Staff

The home schoolin' days may be over for MJ's kids -- we've learned Katherine Jackson is "seriously considering" sending the golden children to one of the most elite private schools in LA.

Family sources tell us the Jackson matriarch is talking about enrolling Michael Jr., Paris, and Prince in the Buckley School -- the same place Tito's three kids attended, as well as several other members of the Jackson clan. In fact, Tito's deceased wife, Dee Dee, once served as president of the Buckley Parent's Association.

Our sources say the family has talked to friends and school reps about enrolling the kids.

We're told Grandma Katherine used to show up for different events at the school and just loves the place -- great education, it's close to their Encino home, and it's heavily protected.

Problem is ... the school ain't so easy to get into. Plus, classes start really soon -- as in this Wednesday -- and it's unclear if the kids have even applied yet.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/22/michael-jackson-prep-school-kids-buckey-private-school/

flipflop

08-22-2009, 01:08 PM

I sent CW a pm about starting a new thread but I know how busy she is. If this is not ok I guess she will delete it.

flipflop

08-22-2009, 01:14 PM

Michael Jackson's Kids Could Turn Preppy

Posted Aug 22nd 2009 10:13AM by TMZ Staff

The home schoolin' days may be over for MJ's kids -- we've learned Katherine Jackson is "seriously considering" sending the golden children to one of the most elite private schools in LA.

Family sources tell us the Jackson matriarch is talking about enrolling Michael Jr., Paris, and Prince in the Buckley School -- the same place Tito's three kids attended, as well as several other members of the Jackson clan. In fact, Tito's deceased wife, Dee Dee, once served as president of the Buckley Parent's Association.

Our sources say the family has talked to friends and school reps about enrolling the kids.

We're told Grandma Katherine used to show up for different events at the school and just loves the place -- great education, it's close to their Encino home, and it's heavily protected.

Problem is ... the school ain't so easy to get into. Plus, classes start really soon -- as in this Wednesday -- and it's unclear if the kids have even applied yet.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/22/michael-jackson-prep-school-kids-buckey-private-school/

Cindylee

08-22-2009, 01:51 PM

flipflop

08-22-2009, 01:53 PM

I wonder where the kids are school wise? Since they had been home schooled they would have had to go by State standards, and testing and all, right?

P.S. Thanks for starting the thread.

Welcome. That is what I would guess. I wonder how the kids feel about public schooling.

Cindylee

08-22-2009, 01:55 PM

Welcome. That is what I would guess. I wonder how the kids feel about public schooling.

I would think they might like being with other kids.

flipflop

08-22-2009, 02:19 PM

I would think they might like being with other kids.

That is my opinion too. Kids usually like being around other kids.

daniel green

08-22-2009, 03:37 PM

Londell McMillan, a lawyer for Mr. Jackson’s mother, Katherine, told Reuters that there was a miscommunication within the Jackson family about the burial date, and some members objected to him being buried on Aug. 29, which would have been his 51st birthday.

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/21/burial-date-changed-for-michael-jackson/

Cindylee

08-22-2009, 04:23 PM

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/21/burial-date-changed-for-michael-jackson/

Does this family actually talk to each other? :rolleyes:

daniel green

08-22-2009, 04:33 PM

It does look like a good school for them. It would be great for them to go to school and have friends.

Self-Discipline & Self Reliance
A healthy community is one in which each member has the self-discipline and self-reliance necessary for independent thought and action, as well as support from the community when that support is needed. We all grow best when we have a balance of independence and support from others

from LQ's link above re the school.

ScoobyDoo

08-22-2009, 04:36 PM

It does look like a good school for them. It would be great for them to go to school and have friends.

from LQ's link above re the school.

I'm sure they will be happy to know they have your approval.

Lainey

08-22-2009, 04:55 PM

I think it's likely since they are bright and were home schooled, that they are ahead of other kids their ages. I also think they need time away from the Jacksons even if it's just to get out of the house for school.

Unperson1984

08-22-2009, 08:29 PM

Quiet in here today.

:confused:

tiptop

08-22-2009, 08:51 PM

Dinner time on the West Coast and almost bedtime on the East? :confused:

*giggle* Not bedtime here on a Saturday night!

tiptop

08-22-2009, 08:56 PM

I happen to agree..the only thing I would wish for these kids, is to have only first names..and that the other kids dont know their background..I hope these kids can learn to get along with other kids without pregudices ( good or bad)..so they can experience normal school life. School ife is tough enough without havig "Name Tags" if you get my drift!!

LMS

I dont know about "normal" like most of us would know normal. But yes, I understand your point. I hope they can grow to be strong and deflect the bad they will hear. They are unique in many ways; but hopefully the most important way is that they knew him like no one else. They didnt ask to be a part of this circus. I hope they can grow and learn to be a part of it though, in a healthy way.

Cindylee

08-22-2009, 08:58 PM

tiptop

08-22-2009, 09:00 PM

They have pretty unusual first names.

I thought the PRINCE thing was unusual until I found out about it being a family name. And Paris - well, allegedly that's where she was conceived - in France.

Cindylee

08-22-2009, 09:03 PM

I thought the PRINCE thing was unusual until I found out about it being a family name. And Paris - well, allegedly that's where she was conceived - in France.

I am just saying they aren't really average names, so they would never be anonymous. Of course I don't think they could ever be anonymous even if their names were Billy or Sue.

tiptop

08-22-2009, 09:04 PM

I am just saying they aren't really average names, so they would never be anonymous. Of course I don't think they could ever be anonymous even if their names were Billy or Sue.

lol- true dat.

Actually, I kinda like the name Paris now. Holy cow, it could have been worse. Apple. Or maybe Banana. :biggrin:

Cindylee

08-22-2009, 09:06 PM

lol- true dat.

Actually, I kinda like the name Paris now. Holy cow, it could have been worse. Apple. Or maybe Banana. :biggrin: True. lol.

And I think maybe kids would tease Blanket if he uses that nickname at school. IMO

ScoobyDoo

08-22-2009, 09:08 PM

I am just saying they aren't really average names, so they would never be anonymous. Of course I don't think they could ever be anonymous even if their names were Billy or Sue.

It could be they are proud of who they are and are not ashamed to be Michael Jacksons children.

tiptop

08-22-2009, 09:10 PM

It could be they are proud of who they are and are not ashamed to be Michael Jacksons children.

Yes, let's hope so.

Cindylee

08-22-2009, 09:13 PM

It could be they are proud of who they are and are not ashamed to be Michael Jacksons children.

Could be I was responding a post: But, maybe you didn't read it. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Lyndawitha"Y View Post
I happen to agree..the only thing I would wish for these kids, is to have only first names..and that the other kids dont know their background..I hope these kids can learn to get along with other kids without pregudices ( good or bad)..so they can experience normal school life. School ife is tough enough without havig "Name Tags" if you get my drift!!

ScoobyDoo

08-22-2009, 09:21 PM

Could be I was responding a post: But, maybe you didn't read it. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Lyndawitha"Y View Post
I happen to agree..the only thing I would wish for these kids, is to have only first names..and that the other kids dont know their background..I hope these kids can learn to get along with other kids without pregudices ( good or bad)..so they can experience normal school life. School ife is tough enough without havig "Name Tags" if you get my drift!!

Yes, I read it, and understood it too. Perhaps you read too much into my post.
*shrug*

flipflop

08-22-2009, 09:23 PM

lol- true dat.

Actually, I kinda like the name Paris now. Holy cow, it could have been worse. Apple. Or maybe Banana. :biggrin:

Wait....Apple is Gwyneth Paltrow's childs name. :tongueside:

tiptop

08-22-2009, 09:24 PM

Wait....Apple is Gwyneth Paltrow's childs name. :tongueside:

Yes. Yes it it. :biggrin:

Cindylee

08-22-2009, 09:26 PM

Yes, I read it, and understood it too. Perhaps you read too much into my post.
*shrug*

I don't think so. :shrug:

ScoobyDoo

08-22-2009, 09:28 PM

Wait....Apple is Gwyneth Paltrow's childs name. :tongueside:

Remember MoonUnit and Dweezle Zappa?

flipflop

08-22-2009, 09:31 PM

Yes. Yes it it. :biggrin:

I would hate for those kids to be teased b/c of their names. Kids can be really cruel. I know parents have good intentions when naming their children but sometimes I wonder.

O/T...there is a child here whose name is Payne. His last name is Alldae. Needless to say he is teased constantly.

flipflop

08-22-2009, 09:32 PM

Remember MoonUnit and Dweezle Zappa?

lmao. yes.

tiptop

08-22-2009, 09:34 PM

I would hate for those kids to be teased b/c of their names. Kids can be really cruel. I know parents have good intentions when naming their children but sometimes I wonder.

O/T...there is a child here whose name is Payne. His last name is Alldae. Needless to say he is teased constantly.

Yeah, I think the name/teasing thing has been going on since time began. But hopefully, if it happens, it will pass after a certain age.

Cindylee

08-22-2009, 09:45 PM

Yeah, I think the name/teasing thing has been going on since time began. But hopefully, if it happens, it will pass after a certain age.

I went to school with Sandy & Rocky Beach. :laugh::laugh: Who would do that to their kids. They were cool though so they didn't get teased too much. And Rocky was big.

Cindylee

08-22-2009, 09:48 PM

Booo Hooo. I guess my point was lost..I only wish these kids to grow up having a normal childood..I know..what is normal??......the fact they can even go to a regualr school is a step foreward...LOL.Kids are only influenced by their adult mentors..so who knows..but generally kids arent mean or agressive...So thet these kids experience mainstream..

I can only hope they can get some reality grounding experiences...That's all I want for them..The rest will take its course..

I have to laugh..both my boyz had very unusual names..it didnt seem to matter to his peers..however now that they are adults..with families of their own..Their names are easy to recall..LOL..Helpful when trying to network in the job market..LOL

LMS

LMS

If they do get into that school, I hope they can start on time. But, as the article said, it starts very soon. Nothing worse than starting after school has already begun. That is hard.

GentleBreeze

08-22-2009, 10:23 PM

Since it seems Katherine has already been talking with the school I think the children will start school on time.

I have no doubt that they will be able to pass any entry test that may be required. In fact I believe these children are most likely above other children their age in their scholastic knowledge.

I don't think being from a famous family will be a detriment for them at this particular school. It would not surprise me if some of the other students are also children of well known high celebrity parents.

I think they will excel and do very well and be very proud of who they are.

imo

tiptop

08-22-2009, 10:48 PM

Unperson1984

08-22-2009, 10:57 PM

Who provided the children's home schooling?

tiptop

08-22-2009, 11:03 PM

Who provided the children's home schooling?

Good question.

daniel green

08-22-2009, 11:09 PM

retiredcop

08-22-2009, 11:09 PM

How about Nanny Grace? After all she was so wonderful as nanny and mom, why not throw in teacher too?:biggrin:

in my opinion

daniel green

08-22-2009, 11:10 PM

Who provided the children's home schooling?

Yep, I wonder, too. Or if they used any accredited curriculum.

ScoobyDoo

08-23-2009, 12:09 AM

I wish I had these kind of fantasies.

Fantasies about Katherine Jackson?
:mellow:

Cindylee

08-23-2009, 12:17 AM

I wish I had these kind of fantasies.

Amazing really.

tiptop

08-23-2009, 12:24 AM

Amazing really.

I wonder about Michael's children too. And their education. I cant help but think about Michael's upbringing. He did go to school, but it's been said he was not an articulate person. But I have also read he knew about art and other things he learned on his own from friends like Liz Taylor. I hope his kids get what they need to help them form a solid, healthy life.

Cindylee

08-23-2009, 12:29 AM

I wonder about Michael's children too. And their education. I cant help but think about Michael's upbringing. He did go to school, but it's been said he was not an articulate person. But I have also read he knew about art and other things he learned on his own from friends like Liz Taylor. I hope his kids get what they need to help them form a solid, healthy life.

I wonder too. They lived in many different countries. Who was monitoring their schooling? If they had just been in CA. they would have had to have some kind of monitoring, and testing. But, didn't they live in the Middle East for a time, and Ireland ?

daniel green

08-23-2009, 12:30 AM

ScoobyDoo

08-23-2009, 12:30 AM

I wonder about Michael's children too. And their education. I cant help but think about Michael's upbringing. He did go to school, but it's been said he was not an articulate person. But I have also read he knew about art and other things he learned on his own from friends like Liz Taylor. I hope his kids get what they need to help them form a solid, healthy life.

I can't say which report I heard it on, but it was reported that the children speak multiple languages. I am sure that MJ provided them with excellent schooling. I don't think I have heard anyone that knows them say anything other than how bright, and well adjusted they are.

daniel green

08-23-2009, 12:31 AM

tiptop

08-23-2009, 12:32 AM

I wonder too. They lived in many different countries. Who was monitoring their schooling? If they had just been in CA. they would have had to have some kind of monitoring, and testing. But, didn't they live in the Middle East for a time, and Ireland ?

Yes, that is my understanding too about them living various places abroad. I guess he probably had a tutor on board to travel with them, but who knows. Traveling the world is a good education in itself, but I hope the kids were subjected to more than just that.

ScoobyDoo

08-23-2009, 12:34 AM

MJ didn't have any kind of education, right? His parents pulled him out of school very, very, very early, no?

It's sad to hear how all those kids mangle the English language, as do the parents.

I hope that changes for the kids of the kids and that all those Jackson grandchildren are getting good educations.

In one of his interviews he said that after the schooling he was taken directly to the studio to practice. And he said it made him cry to pass by and listen to all the other kids playing outside, and he wasn't allowed to. And really, Michael Jackson had a good command of the English language, and didn't mangle it at all. I'm not sure if you were refering to him or not, but he certainly didn't speak ebonics.

tiptop

08-23-2009, 12:35 AM

MJ didn't have any kind of education, right? His parents pulled him out of school very, very, very early, no?

It's sad to hear how all those Jackson children (MJ, Tito, Jermaine, Latoya, etc) mangle the English language, as do the parents.

I hope that changes for the kids of the kids and that all those Jackson grandchildren are getting good educations.

It was my understanding Mike and his brothers went to public school. I dont know for how long though ---- I dont recall reading about any of them graduating.

daniel green

08-23-2009, 12:36 AM

I was not speaking about ebonics. :rolleyes: How offensive.

daniel green

08-23-2009, 12:36 AM

It was my understanding Mike and his brothers went to public school. I dont know for how long though ---- I dont recall reading about any of them graduating.

Seems they were very young when they got pulled out of school--like elementary school. :sad:

daniel green

08-23-2009, 12:37 AM

http://www.examiner.com/x-6336-Orlando-Entertainment-Examiner~y2009m8d22-Back-to-school-for-Michael-Jacksons-children

I have changed my mind about the school. It's where Paris Hilton went to school. :scared:

Cindylee

08-23-2009, 12:42 AM

It's always said they had "a tutor." But that doesn't rise to any kind of home-school curriculum.

Why have we not heard from this tutor? We have always heard about Nanny Grace, but I have not heard one word about a "tutor". Anyone?

Imperfect4

08-23-2009, 12:45 AM

daniel green

08-23-2009, 12:46 AM

Why have we not heard from this tutor? We have always heard about Nanny Grace, but I have not heard one word about a "tutor". Anyone?

Mum's the word. I am looking, but cannot find a thing.

daniel green

08-23-2009, 12:46 AM

What the ...? :confused:

They got an education over at Rod Stewart's house in the UK. :rolleyes:

daniel green

08-23-2009, 12:49 AM

Problem is ... the school ain't so easy to get into. Plus, classes start really soon -- as in this Wednesday -- and it's unclear if the kids have even applied yet.

One cautionary note: Paris Hilton attended Buckley as well as ... (gulp) ... Kim, Kourtney and Khloe Kardashian.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/22/michael-jackson-prep-school-kids-buckey-private-school/

Cindylee

08-23-2009, 12:52 AM

Why would you expect to? Who tutors who is not a matter of public record. But there is no doubt that had they not been schooled appropriately, it would have been reported 24/7.Reported by who? We have heard about their whole life....nothing about a tutor. Have you ever heard about a tutor?

daniel green

08-23-2009, 12:52 AM

Espinoza said that Rowe’s contact with the children has been very limited. The children themselves have been tended by nannies and by their father, who educated them at home. Jackson took them to museums — usually after hours — exposed them to books, and limited their exposure to television. But the children did not have contact with other children.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31564994/ns/parenting_and_family/

Imperfect4

08-23-2009, 12:53 AM

They got an education over at Rod Stewart's house in the UK. :rolleyes:

... were Posh and Becks their tutors, fgs?

Some fertile imaginations up in here. :rolleyes:

daniel green

08-23-2009, 12:54 AM

He may have been the King of Pop, but some believed that Michael Jackson was far from the King of Pops. Prior to his death, critics slammed Jackson for his lack of parenting skills. The singer's rarely seen children have spent their lives being veiled, shrouded and even masked in public, including son "Blanket," who Michael infamously dangled out a fifth-floor Berlin hotel window in 2002 to gasps from the crowd below. Others childhood "experts" claimed that Jackson was doing a disservice to his children by raising them in gilded isolation - without friends, conventional schooling or even a mother. Jackson's three young kids have drifted from one country to the next with their eccentric father, who became more reclusive than ever following his child sex abuse scandal. According to reports, since abandoning Neverland in 2005, Jackson has crisscrossed the globe, spending time on at least three continents. "The kids are always moving from place to place, and they don't have any playmates," a source close to Jackson's inner circle told reporters in 2007.

http://parenting.families.com/blog/michael-jackson-the-father

daniel green

08-23-2009, 12:55 AM

snippe
Some fertile imaginations up in here. :rolleyes:

BEYOND fertile. Know what I mean?

daniel green

08-23-2009, 12:58 AM

The King of Pop devoted his life to creating a fairytale world for his three young heirs, where reality was screened by face masks or professional bodyguards. Prince Michael Joseph, 12, Paris Michael, 11, and Prince Michael II, aka "Blanket", 7, have never attended a day of school. They've never known a neighbourhood friend. They sleep together in the same room. And the only outsiders they have met are strangers their father would bring in to entertain them.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,,25764836-5012980,00.html

Imperfect4

08-23-2009, 12:58 AM

BEYOND fertile. Know what I mean?

Crass, imo. Especially all the references to how much money is being raked in and hobnobbing with celebrities and such. Crass.

daniel green

08-23-2009, 01:02 AM

Crass, imo. Especially all the references to how much money is being raked in and hobnobbing with celebrities and such. Crass.

I think that is the perfect term for it. Crass.

daniel green

08-23-2009, 01:05 AM

Jackson, Rwaramba and the children went to Bahrain as guests of Sheikh Abdullah, a son of the king, who hoped to make a CD with the singer...When the singer and the sheikh fell out, Jackson and his family moved to Ireland to stay with friends of Rwaramba and then in a small house in New Jersey where Jackson slept in a downstairs room while she and the children shared a bedroom.

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/article6591237.ece

It really does sound like their education was sketchy.

Cindylee

08-23-2009, 01:12 AM

http://parenting.families.com/blog/michael-jackson-the-fatherThis is very sad.

Unperson1984

08-23-2009, 01:15 AM

I can't say which report I heard it on, but it was reported that the children speak multiple languages. I am sure that MJ provided them with excellent schooling. I don't think I have heard anyone that knows them say anything other than how bright, and well adjusted they are.

Scooby I was thinking more of science and mathematics, language and linguistics are much easier for an untrained person teach.

tiptop

08-23-2009, 01:30 AM

You speak with some authority about this but how do you know what the credentials of the tutor are? You don't and none of us do to my knowledge. The tutor may be very well educated with a masters in educaton and could very well do a much better job than any kind of home school curriculum. Maybe some research on this question is in order for you before you make a statement like this.

Indeed. Or without a Masters ---- just able to instill what needs to be accomplished.

Many of us go thru life without "formal" education. It doesnt necessarily mean ignorance. And really, truth be told, if they have money, well they can probably get by. It would be nice by our message board standards if the kids grew up with a Harvard education. But how many of us really have that level of education?

daniel green

08-23-2009, 01:32 AM

http://ezinearticles.com/?7-Reasons-to-Choose-an-Accredited-Homeschooling-Curriculum&id=1811202

Nothing that the nanny said ("they had books") or anyone else has said--especially giving the nomadic lives they led--lead one to think that their home schooling was anything like an accredited curriculum that will transfer credits, etc.

I wonder where they will be in terms of in what grade they will be placed.

daniel green

08-23-2009, 01:34 AM

Indeed. Or without a Masters ---- just able to instill what needs to be accomplished.

snipped

The children are in their essential educational yrs--the elementary school yrs. Where the groundwork for all the follows is laid.

And without a curriculum--it just doesn't work.

daniel green

08-23-2009, 01:43 AM

Many parents find it reassuring to have some sort of guidelines for academic milestones, such as Robin Sampson’s What Your Child Needs to Know When—with checklists for evaluating progress in language arts, math, science, and social studies (K–8th) as well as character development. However, in some states, the law may require that you periodically demonstrate academic progress. Some states require standardized testing while others may allow for a teacher letter or some other form of evaluation. .

http://www.hslda.org/earlyyears/Testing.asp

daniel green

08-23-2009, 01:48 AM

California has Compulsory Attendance laws fo children “between the ages of 6” by Dec. 2 (§ 48200) and under 18. Required days of Instruction, 175 days, only for public schools. Alternative statutes allowing for home schools: Allow four alternate options. Cal Ed Codes 48200,48400,48410

Option One: Qualify as a private school by filing an annual private school affidavit.

Under California education Code section 48222 the individual home school could qualify as a private school by filing an annual private school affidavit. Case law has clearly allowed these home schools to operate as private schools in California. The affidavit requires: instructors must be capable of teaching; instruction must be in English; instruction must be in several branches of study required in public schools; attendance must be kept in a register; and a private school affidavit must be filed with the Superintendent of Public Instruction between October 01 and October 15 of each school year. California Education Code sections 33190, 48222.

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Option Two: Hire a Certified Private tutor or become one.
Your home schooler can have instruction provided by a certified tutor who meets the requirements of California Education Code section 48224. Certification necessary if home school parent chooses to be a tutor.

3
Option Three: Independent Study Program.
Your child can be enrolled in an independent study at home program using the the public curriculum. California Education Code section 51745. This option considers your child as a publicly enrolled student and must abide by the public schools rules and policies. This is often seen with older children who are working or in an alternative study program. It is also useful for children working part or full time, pregnant teens or children with disabilities who's IEP's require a home program as a component of the child educational program.

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Option Four.(ISP) Independent Study ProgamHome schooler could enroll in a private school satellite program and take" independent study" through the private school. The private school independent study program (ISP) must comply with California Education Code section 48522 (see option 1 above). Admin Code Chapters 51745-517. Many famines have organized these privates ISP's which enroll anywhere from two to hundreds of families.

http://www.avvo.com/legal-guides/ugc/how-do-i-home-school-my-child-without-violating-the-compulsory-attendance-laws-in-california

sallemae

08-23-2009, 04:32 AM

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,,25764836-5012980,00.html

I've seen so many pictures of his three kids, with other kids.

sallemae

08-23-2009, 04:58 AM

Their "Nomadic" Lives have afforded them opportunities that most children don't have. And in addition to that, they have had home schooling. Their Father provided the best for them. I think they will be placed appropriately, and hope that they are able to keep their academic progress a private matter, as it should be, I also hope the first thing those children are taught in school, is how to deal with all the outside people who feel its okay to pass judgement on them and the details of their lives, when in reality it it simply not the business of the busy bodies.

imo...of course.

(.....afforded them opportunities that most children don't have.)

Most people, don't have the opportunities MJ's children have had, they are very lucky children. And they aren't the only children that had famous parents, that traveled.

aproudmom

08-23-2009, 07:00 AM

I watched this on Dateline the other night and when they said the drug my mouth dropped...but he did not get away with murder thank goodness...but that is very scary...I did get the doctor in the ER the other night I ask if they could give me some milk of amnesia..Shame on me I know but the girl had not even heard MJ could have died from that drug...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032600/
No one could figure out why a college student died in her bed - until a tiny spot launched an epic investigation. Hear from her loved ones.
Fact file: Learn more about the sedative propofol

aproudmom

08-23-2009, 07:07 AM

you are right. common sense dictates the children wil receive the best education possibe. they already appear very intelligent ( thanks to MJ).

with the state of the economy and all i'd personally be worried about my own childrens academic endeavors. not those of a millionaire whose kids are being raised in a huge family full of love.

:thumbsup:ITA with you

aproudmom

08-23-2009, 07:24 AM

flipflop

08-23-2009, 08:30 AM

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

Peace & Love
Scooby

Thank you. :smile:

retiredcop

08-23-2009, 09:32 AM

I see alot of very childish stuff up in here if you ask me..:rolleyes: FGS and it is not MJ kids either..very sad times when we think we have the right to judge others up bringing they have no clue about that is a imagination/rumors to me and not so sure what the FERTILE means explain? anyone..TIA oh and tell Posh I said hello or is that just a FERTILE imagination or rumor:rolleyes:

This is a message board which is open to discussion. I would think the children would have to be tested as to what level they have attained in their education just like any child. Either that or they are put in the appropriate grade for their age and see what happens.

I don't think they received any accredited education myself. Mr Jackson moved around a lot. Did teachers travel with the children or were new teachers found each place he moved?

Nothing has ever been reported on how these children were being educated. Sometimes I wonder if they can even read and write.

If information was reported about the nanny, I would think information would have been reported about the teacher or teachers.

These children are being seen by a psychologist or will be soon so maybe that person can judge what is best for them as far as an education goes.

I wonder where the other grandkids living in the Encino house go to school? Maybe they can all go to the same school.

in my opinion

Happy Birthday flipflop.

daniel green

08-23-2009, 09:38 AM

(.....afforded them opportunities that most children don't have.)

Most people, don't have the opportunities MJ's children have had, they are very lucky children. And they aren't the only children that had famous parents, that traveled.

If only all children could go from place to place, family living off the latest person, till that person kicked them out, knowing no stability nor structure, no semblance of normalcy. And add the masks, burquas and veils, being dangled from a balcony, being raised by a single parent who is an addict. It sounds perfect. :rolleyes:

Firehead11

08-23-2009, 09:41 AM

This is a message board which is open to discussion. I would think the children would have to be tested as to what level they have attained in their education just like any child. Either that or they are put in the appropriate grade for their age and see what happens.

I don't think they received any accredited education myself. Mr Jackson moved around a lot. Did teachers travel with the children or were new teachers found each place he moved?

Nothing has ever been reported on how these children were being educated. Sometimes I wonder if they can even read and write.

If information was reported about the nanny, I would think information would have been reported about the teacher or teachers.

These children are being seen by a psychologist or will be soon so maybe that person can judge what is best for them as far as an education goes.

I wonder where the other grandkids living in the Encino house go to school? Maybe they can all go to the same school.

in my opinion

Happy Birthday flipflop.

Why is this information so important to you? It is none of our business. The school system that the children may enter should test the children and place them in the apporiate grade. Why a psycholgist determining what is best for the children's education?

daniel green

08-23-2009, 09:41 AM

Celebrating Jackson’s gifts is fair enough. Making him into a saint, not so much. If romance is the willing suspension of disbelief, turning Michael Jackson into a deity is a willing suspension of belief in what we know to be true. And as a country, we can’t afford to live in Neverland any more. Something indeed was wrong with Michael Jackson. He stood repeatedly accused of a crime so heinous that most people would not want anyone facing those allegations living on their block. Unless, of course, that individual was a celebrity...Despite Sharpton’s assertion that nothing was wrong with Jackson, everything about him had become a mess: his physical and mental condition, his finances, his medical records, and now his estate. The music and the dancing were unforgettable but what I can’t forget is the appalling degree to which Jackson was both victim and victimizer. As we have already learned, Jackson’s death may produce more profit than the improbable comeback tour that those around Jackson persisted in believing was possible for the frail, skeletal individual who they supposedly so loved. No doubt Jackson will be as ruthlessly exploited in death as he was in life.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-07-07/michael-jacksons-afterlife/

daniel green

08-23-2009, 09:48 AM

a July 21,2002, handwritten note, Dr. Farshchian writes to Jackson that he has sent a “package…it’s a 5-7 day program that offers you the solution. Buprinex is the potent narcotic I told you about last week, it is just like the D but better.” Buprinex is an injectable narcotic analgesic. Los Angeles investigators believe the “D” refers to Demerol, another narcotic that was found in Jackson’s house after his death. Chris Carter, Jackson’s then-head of security who went on to be arrested for bank robberies in Nevada, told investigators in 2004 that Farshchian tried to wean Jackson off his heavy Demerol use. Although the “D” could refer to Diprivan, the powerful anesthetic that might have played a fatal role in Jackson’s dosing, investigators have no link between Farshchian and that anesthetic. Farshchian, a Caribbean-trained physician (he got his degree from St. Lucia’s Spartan Health Sciences University), describes himself on his Web site as limiting his practice to “non-surgical orthopedics and sports medicine.” One of his self-described specialties, as described on his Web site, is cell therapy, using the patient’s own cells in injections that accelerate the healing process, and which helps relieve pain from arthritis or injuries. He also works with human growth hormone. In his 2002 note to Jackson, Farshchian said about the performer, “You’re the best, you’re an ICON, and you belong to the tops.” A Los Angeles County Sherriff’s deputy believes that Farshchian was “awestruck” by Jackson. A former Jackson employee told The Daily Beast that Jackson also met Farshchian at his house and the two became so friendly that they even talked about opening a children’s hospital in Miami’s Little Havana. They went so far as to come up with a name—The International Childrens Hospital—and to shop for a building before Jackson returned to California and abandoned the idea. According to what Carter told the investigators about their visits to Farshchian’s office, Jackson seemed alert on arrival but was visibly sedated when they left.
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-07-12/jackson-and-the-pill-mills/

Firehead11

08-23-2009, 09:48 AM

Not one poster who supported MJ has deemed MJ a diety.

The last I knew that the majority live in the United States. This man was ACCUSED, TRIED AND FOUND NOT GUILTY BY 12 PEOPLE. It is people like the author of the link provided that will do the most harm to Jackson's children.

And this subject was not suppose to be brought up.

If one hates the man so much why day after day are you posting about him?

flipflop

08-23-2009, 09:51 AM

This is a message board which is open to discussion. I would think the children would have to be tested as to what level they have attained in their education just like any child. Either that or they are put in the appropriate grade for their age and see what happens.

I don't think they received any accredited education myself. Mr Jackson moved around a lot. Did teachers travel with the children or were new teachers found each place he moved?

Nothing has ever been reported on how these children were being educated. Sometimes I wonder if they can even read and write.

If information was reported about the nanny, I would think information would have been reported about the teacher or teachers.

These children are being seen by a psychologist or will be soon so maybe that person can judge what is best for them as far as an education goes.

I wonder where the other grandkids living in the Encino house go to school? Maybe they can all go to the same school.

in my opinion

Happy Birthday flipflop.

Thank you. I hope all the kids do get to go to school together.

daniel green

08-23-2009, 09:51 AM

. It is people like the author of the link provided that will do the most harm to Jackson's children.

snipped

The author:

Gerald Posner is The Daily Beast's chief investigative reporter. He's the award-winning author of 10 investigative nonfiction bestsellers, ranging from political assassinations, to Nazi war criminals, to 9/11, to terrorism. He lives in Miami Beach with his wife, the author Trisha Posner.

ibid

Firehead11

08-23-2009, 09:55 AM

The author:

ibid

I really don't care what he won or who he is. It doesn't take away fromn the fact that MJ was accused, tried and found NOT GUILTY. That is a fact.

daniel green

08-23-2009, 09:55 AM

But with the protection of Prince Abdullah, Jackson stayed in the kingdom. Michael’s financial troubles had mounted through his costly criminal trial. In April 2006, one of Abdullah’s lawyers, Ahmed al Khan, was instrumental in arranging a deal with New York-based Fortress Investment Group, which refinanced Jackson's loans for $300 million. It brought the singer about $28 million in cash—spending money for the shopaholic Jackson—but meant he put up his own music-publishing company, Mijac, as collateral, and gave Sony the option to buy half of his stake in the Sony/ATV publishing company, for a fixed price. It was a huge victory for Sony, which had long wanted to wrest control of Sony/ATV from the singer.

Jackson left Bahrain in the fall of 2006. He traveled to Japan where he pocketed a million-dollar fee for hosting a Japanese awards show, and then went to Ireland where he stayed at Castlehyde in Cork with his friend, the dancer Michael Flatley. The singer was back full-time in the U.S. on December 23, 2006. Six months later, Prince Abdullah sued Jackson in London demanding a return of a master recording, and seeking $7 million in damages for Jackson’s failure to produce the book, albums, or play to which he had committed. Jackson denied he had signed anything. By the time the case reached the High Court in London in November 2008, a financial settlement was reached on the eve of when Jackson was due to take the stand. Although the settlement is sealed, a legal source familiar with the proceeding says that Jackson paid the prince at least $4 million.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-08-03/jackson-of-arabia/2/

daniel green

08-23-2009, 09:59 AM

The more important issues are still to be determined. If Dr. Murray was destroying evidence, as the police suggest, then why were “large amounts” of Diprivan reportedly found at the Jackson house not during the first search the day he died, but evidently only on the second search two days later? That second search was prompted from interviews investigators had with Dr. Murray. If he was trying to hide the evidence of the drug that killed his patient, why would he lead them to do another search for it? Moreover, why would he leave Diprivan at the house when he had two days to dispose of it? Dr. Murray was never held in custody and was free to move anywhere. Since the Diprivan was found late, it raises questions about the chain of custody of the evidence. Was it there the day Jackson died, or moved there later by someone who decided that Murray was the ideal fall guy for the singer’s death?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-07-24/did-the-doctor-do-it/

This was exactly what Forensicspy was mentioning the other day.

Firehead11

08-23-2009, 10:25 AM

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-07-07/michael-jacksons-afterlife/

I had responded to this one and Kim Masters is the author not Gerald, as you posted.

GentleBreeze

08-23-2009, 10:32 AM

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-07-24/did-the-doctor-do-it/

This was exactly what Forensicspy was mentioning the other day.

Who has said that Murray was destroying evidence inside the home?

Why is the board being washed in so many blogs sites?

Are there reputable reports out there saying the same thing? Like from the AP?

And Murray knew it wasnt against the law to have diprivan.

imo

GentleBreeze

08-23-2009, 10:36 AM

I really don't care what he won or who he is. It doesn't take away fromn the fact that MJ was accused, tried and found NOT GUILTY. That is a fact.

I agree. That is like me having to believe Rita Cosby or Diane Dimond just because they have won awards.:wink: lol

imo

daniel green

08-23-2009, 10:37 AM

I had responded to this one and Kim Masters is the author not Gerald, as you posted.

Oops, my bad. Posner wrote the other articles I posted.

For the one to which you responded:

Kim Masters covers the entertainment business for The Daily Beast. She is also the host of The Business, public radio's weekly program about the business of show business. She is also the author of The Keys to the Kingdom: The Rise of Michael Eisner and the Fall of Everybody Else.

ibid

daniel green

08-23-2009, 10:40 AM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32526173/ns/entertainment-music/

GentleBreeze

08-23-2009, 10:41 AM

Why is this information so important to you? It is none of our business. The school system that the children may enter should test the children and place them in the approbate grade. Why a psychologist determining what is best for the children's education?

I have never heard of such.

The psychologist is there to see when is the proper time for Debbie Rowe to be brought into the two oldest children's lives.

Has nothing to do with their educations.

imo

retiredcop

08-23-2009, 11:55 AM

I have never heard of such.

The psychologist is there to see when is the proper time for Debbie Rowe to be brought into the two oldest children's lives.

Has nothing to do with their educations.

imo

Why can't a psychologist talk with the children about how they would feel about public, private or home education schooling. Many things might be brought up by the children to the doctor. If so he will discuss with them what they want to discuss at a given time. It's just silly to think a psychologist will say to children he is sorry, but he can't discuss something with them.

Just because YOU have never heard of such a thing, as you put it, does not mean you are correct.

in my opinion

retiredcop

08-23-2009, 12:00 PM

retiredcop

08-23-2009, 12:07 PM

Why is the board being washed in so many blogs sites?

Ms Breeze,
Was it ok for the board to be washed in all those sites about Mr Jackson's donations?

in my opinion

Cindylee

08-23-2009, 12:12 PM

Why is the board being washed in so many blogs sites?

Ms Breeze,
Was it ok for the board to be washed in all those sites about Mr Jackson's donations?

in my opinion

Well, of course those would be ok because it shows what a great guy MJ was. But, if anyone discusses anything negative,or about his parenting skills, or about his family, it is not our business, so don't talk about it. :rolleyes:

Firehead11

08-23-2009, 12:33 PM

Who has said that Murray was destroying evidence inside the home?

Why is the board being washed in so many blogs sites?

Are there reputable reports out there saying the same thing? Like from the AP?

And Murray knew it wasnt against the law to have diprivan.

imo

1. I have no idea who is saying that Murray destroyed evidence. But many are impling that "a crime scene" was compromised since LaToya and Janet entered the home. This might be the very reason to find out where and who purchased the drug which was given to MJ.

2. I guess TMZ is NOT a reliable source but a blog post is? :confused:

3. I haven't seen any links, even the ones that were asked for.

I had also asked every point that could be brought up against Jackson so that I couod gather the links to substain what I am posting but didn't recieve that either.

I know I am tired of being accused of so many things by posters that simply hate Jackson. The posters that support Jackson have been told we are fanatical fans, dumb, ignorant, professing Jackson to be a diety.... did I leave out anything?

Firehead11

08-23-2009, 12:34 PM

In the school they are reported to be going I would imagine that they will be tested and hopefully put in a grade that is age appropriate for them if they can meet that criteria. I would imagine that the most challenging thing for those children will be socializing with their peers in the classroom not necessarily their educational development.

Oh come on now Eagleeye, why would the school do that? :rolleyes:

I said the same thing a few posts back.

Firehead11

08-23-2009, 01:13 PM

Had I seen it, I would likely had not posted my comment other than to agree and I assume that we do agree. :)

Yes, we agree on that point.

Imperfect4

08-23-2009, 01:22 PM

I see alot of very childish stuff up in here if you ask me..:rolleyes: FGS and it is not MJ kids either..very sad times when we think we have the right to judge others up bringing they have no clue about that is a imagination/rumors to me and not so sure what the FERTILE means explain? anyone..TIA oh and tell Posh I said hello or is that just a FERTILE imagination or rumor:rolleyes:

I'm really not sure what you're trying to say here, apm, however, since I was the one who posted about fertile imaginations, I assume your post is directed at me.

Surely you've heard the term "fertile imagination?" It's a very common term. "Applied figuratively, it suggests readiness of invention and development <a fertile imagination>" http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fertile

The point of my original post was that in an effort to defend all things Jackson and all things Michael Jackson, some here are using their fertile imaginations to invent scenes (in this instance, about MJ's childrens' education) about which they know absolutely nothing. Some people on these MJ threads post as if they have intimate knowledge of the inner workings of Michael's household, and the Jackson family as a whole.

It's utter nonsense, posted as FACT. That was the reason for my reference to fertile imaginations. It's ludicrous and quite curious, imo, that some here are willing to post their imaginative fantasies as FACT.

Imperfect4

08-23-2009, 01:49 PM

Wasn't your reference to fertile imagination having something more to do with support for DG's constant comments on those poor children, with no education. OMG they were schooled at Rod Stewarts home. And heaven forbid these children may never learn the English language, since the Jackson siblings speak such "MANGLED ENGLISH".

I do know for a fact that Paris speaks English perfectly, when she told the world that her daddy was "the best in the world" and that she "loved him so much". That was perfect English, and that is a fact.

DG and I were in agreement about the fantasies and fertile imaginations of those who like to pretend they have an inside track to all things Jackson. As for the rest of your post, I have no idea what you're talking about.

Imperfect4

08-23-2009, 02:06 PM

Of course you don't have any idea what I'm talking about, because that would be like admitting you were wrong.

Again, I have no idea what you're talking about, and I'll warn you ... again ... to stop personalizing your responses.

Imperfect4

08-23-2009, 02:43 PM

This is what I was talking about:

08-22-2009, 09:30 PM
daniel green
Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: On a planet of the sun
Posts: 13,791

MJ didn't have any kind of education, right? His parents pulled him out of school very, very, very early, no?

It's sad to hear how all those Jackson children (MJ, Tito, Jermaine, Latoya, etc) mangle the English language, as do the parents.

I hope that changes for the kids of the kids and that all those Jackson grandchildren are getting good educations.
__________________

I had nothing to do with that exchange. Did you see my nic associated with that exchange?

I didn't think so.

daniel green

08-23-2009, 03:19 PM

I have never heard of such.

The psychologist is there to see when is the proper time for Debbie Rowe to be brought into the two oldest children's lives.

Has nothing to do with their educations.

imo

Really, they have a psychologist? Was that another agreement like that silly declaration Joe J made to the Court about his not being involved with the children? :rolleyes:

And you know the parameters of said alleged psychologist's plan and care of the children? :blink:

daniel green

08-23-2009, 03:21 PM

Well, of course those would be ok because it shows what a great guy MJ was. But, if anyone discusses anything negative,or about his parenting skills, or about his family, it is not our business, so don't talk about it. :rolleyes:

Even if written by well-known, recognized reporters. :rolleyes:

daniel green

08-23-2009, 03:23 PM

Honestly, what do you expect people to say?

I sure do hope they have been receiving a well rounded education all these years.

For real, LQ, for real.

And look at who all is making those statements, too, about the children, to the media. :rolleyes:

I doubt they have received an adequate education, but hope they get one now.

daniel green

08-23-2009, 03:25 PM

from your link:

"They haven’t been brought up in a traditional way. They are not like other children. They’re going to be pushed out into the real world now, which they’re totally unaccustomed to.”

How sad.........and IMO selfish.

I know. Very sad and very selfish. As if they don't already don't have so much to deal with, they have to learn the most rudimentary social/relationship skills at a school now, as well.

Firehead11

08-23-2009, 03:37 PM

I'm really not sure what you're trying to say here, apm, however, since I was the one who posted about fertile imaginations, I assume your post is directed at me.

Surely you've heard the term "fertile imagination?" It's a very common term. "Applied figuratively, it suggests readiness of invention and development <a fertile imagination>" http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fertile

The point of my original post was that in an effort to defend all things Jackson and all things Michael Jackson, some here are using their fertile imaginations to invent scenes (in this instance, about MJ's childrens' education) about which they know absolutely nothing. Some people on these MJ threads post as if they have intimate knowledge of the inner workings of Michael's household, and the Jackson family as a whole.

It's utter nonsense, posted as FACT. That was the reason for my reference to fertile imaginations. It's ludicrous and quite curious, imo, that some here are willing to post their imaginative fantasies as FACT.

What was invented about the childrens education?

Defend all things Jackson? Oh I doubt that but I will defend my opinion. I don't need to inventanything.

daniel green

08-23-2009, 03:38 PM

snipped And heaven forbid these children may never learn the English language, since the Jackson siblings speak such "MANGLED ENGLISH".

I do know for a fact that Paris speaks English perfectly, when she told the world that her daddy was "the best in the world" and that she "loved him so much". That was perfect English, and that is a fact.

1sr paragraph--That is a lie. I never said that.

2nd Oh, pls. You know no such thing.

The truth is an absolute defense, you know.

Mr and Mrs Jackson and their children--Jermaine, Latoya, etc--do, in fact, mangle the language. They use awful grammar, given their lack of any education.

It is my hope that the children of that clan, this newest generation, have been taught proper grammar and will be educated in schools, unlike their parents and grand-parents.

That is what I said, and what I believe.

Milz

08-23-2009, 03:39 PM

For real, LQ, for real.

And look at who all is making those statements, too, about the children, to the media. :rolleyes:

I doubt they have received an adequate education, but hope they get one now.

Home schooling can be extremely beneficial and successful to children. My friend home schools her 3 well-balanced and sociable children. They are doing extremely well and they have a lot more attention and focus on their subjects than if in a class of 30 children.

imo

Firehead11

08-23-2009, 03:39 PM

daniel green

08-23-2009, 03:41 PM

snipped
The point of my original post was that in an effort to defend all things Jackson and all things Michael Jackson, some here are using their fertile imaginations to invent scenes (in this instance, about MJ's childrens' education) about which they know absolutely nothing. Some people on these MJ threads post as if they have intimate knowledge of the inner workings of Michael's household, and the Jackson family as a whole.

.

Exactly. And come up with what cannot be described as anything other than fantasies.

sallemae

08-23-2009, 03:42 PM

I'm really not sure what you're trying to say here, apm, however, since I was the one who posted about fertile imaginations, I assume your post is directed at me.

Surely you've heard the term "fertile imagination?" It's a very common term. "Applied figuratively, it suggests readiness of invention and development <a fertile imagination>" http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fertile

The point of my original post was that in an effort to defend all things Jackson and all things Michael Jackson, some here are using their fertile imaginations to invent scenes (in this instance, about MJ's childrens' education) about which they know absolutely nothing. Some people on these MJ threads post as if they have intimate knowledge of the inner workings of Michael's household, and the Jackson family as a whole.

It's utter nonsense, posted as FACT. That was the reason for my reference to fertile imaginations. It's ludicrous and quite curious, imo, that some here are willing to post their imaginative fantasies as FACT.

Most of what is posted is "UTTER NONSENSE" I do find there to be a lot more negative post concerning anything about MJ, then positive ones.

That speaks volumes about our society.

daniel green

08-23-2009, 03:43 PM

Most of what is posted is "UTTER NONSENSE" I do find there to be a lot more negative post concerning anything about MJ, then positive ones.

That speaks volumes about our society.

Actually, what it speaks volumes about is MJ, his life, and the Jackson clan.

Firehead11

08-23-2009, 03:43 PM

Even if written by well-known, recognized reporters. :rolleyes:

I will say this one last time, the article I wass responding to was Kim Masters. Now if you continue to misconstrue that fact, I will contact Coldwater.

You are using bloggers as a source and oh there are plenty well known recognized reporters that are not believeable any longer. Rita Cosby comes to mind, Geraldo is another one. Shall I continue?

:rolleyes:

Firehead11

08-23-2009, 03:45 PM

Most of what is posted is "UTTER NONSENSE" I do find there to be a lot more negative post concerning anything about MJ, then positive ones.

That speaks volumes about our society.

I so agree with you.

daniel green

08-23-2009, 03:46 PM

It was okay because it was a rebuttle to the outright lies that were posted about AIDS, and that it wasn't one of many of MJ's causes. It proved that the poster was either lying or terribly misinformed, and therefore had a purpose for it being posted.

Oh, I neither lied nor was misinformed. BTW, I believe those long unattributed posts re the alleged good deeds were deleted.

sallemae

08-23-2009, 03:48 PM

Actually, what it speaks volumes about is MJ, his life, and the Jackson clan.

A lot of imaginations working over time to come up with some of this stuff.

Why would one want to dwell on bad and negative utter nonsense?

daniel green

08-23-2009, 03:49 PM

Oops, my bad. Posner wrote the other articles I posted.

For the one to which you responded:

Kim Masters covers the entertainment business for The Daily Beast. She is also the host of The Business, public radio's weekly program about the business of show business. She is also the author of The Keys to the Kingdom: The Rise of Michael Eisner and the Fall of Everybody Else.

ibid

You must have missed my reply to you earlier about Masters, Firehead?

daniel green

08-23-2009, 03:51 PM

I will say this one last time, the article I wass responding to was Kim Masters. Now if you continue to misconstrue that fact, I will contact Coldwater.

You are using bloggers as a source and oh there are plenty well known recognized reporters that are not believeable any longer. Rita Cosby comes to mind, Geraldo is another one. Shall I continue?

:rolleyes:

Please do. I believe CW will agree with the fact that 1) posting from blogs is allowed; 2) The Daily Beast is not just "a blog," but a well-regarded news source headed by Tina Brown; 3) I know you were speaking about Kim Masters, who is a recognized reporter and covers entertainment news for National Public Radio.

Not sure what RC or Geraldo have to do with this?

Imperfect4

08-23-2009, 03:52 PM

Most of what is posted is "UTTER NONSENSE" I do find there to be a lot more negative post concerning anything about MJ, then positive ones.

That speaks volumes about our society.

No, actually it is the hero-worshipping of celebrities like Michael Jackson that speaks volumes about our society.

daniel green

08-23-2009, 03:54 PM

Home schooling can be extremely beneficial and successful to children. snipped

I agree.

I don't believe that it provides the essential relationship/peer skills needed by children and teens, nor the broad scope of study in such things such as lab sciences, but I agree that it can be academically successful. Totally depends on who is doing the schooling and what kind of curriculum and testing is being used.

daniel green

08-23-2009, 03:57 PM

Oh, I neither lied nor was misinformed. BTW, I believe those long unattributed posts re the alleged good deeds were deleted.

Quoting myself because I just ckd and the long unattributed posts re the alleged good deeds are still on that thread. My bad.

Imperfect4

08-23-2009, 03:59 PM

What was invented about the childrens education?

Defend all things Jackson? Oh I doubt that but I will defend my opinion. I don't need to inventanything.

Post #39 of this thread. Pure fantasy, speculation, and projection. The facts of this saga should give people enough to chew on without creating Jackson-filled fantasy scenarios from their fertile imaginations.

sallemae

08-23-2009, 04:07 PM

daniel green

08-23-2009, 04:07 PM

1. I have no idea who is saying that Murray destroyed evidence.snipped

Posters have gone on and on about how Dr Murray cleaned up the evidence. Read any thread.

As far as the deity question, it was the title of an article posted. However, there have been comarisons of MJ to Jesus, on this forum, which I believe bordered if not crossed into the profane.

Hope that answers your questions. Not sure what you are asking.

Milz

08-23-2009, 04:23 PM

If only all children could go from place to place, family living off the latest person, till that person kicked them out, knowing no stability nor structure, no semblance of normalcy. And add the masks, burquas and veils, being dangled from a balcony, being raised by a single parent who is an addict. It sounds perfect. :rolleyes:

You are being way too harsh in your choice of words imo. MJ was not like your average Joe and cannot be judged as such. He protected his children as much as he could and home-schooling was the best choice. The masks were so the children could not be recognised and subsequently hounded by the press, I am sure you must know that. MJ employed a qualified Doctor to look after his medical needs and it is that qualified Doctor who saw to them and continued to feed an addict because the $$$ were just too tempting. Had he been an ethical Doctor he would have not done so and actually followed through his oath as a Doctor to protect his patient imo. If MJ was an addict, and I believe he was, he needed help, not a Doctor who would feed him just for money.

imo

GentleBreeze

08-23-2009, 05:51 PM

Actually, what it speaks volumes about is MJ, his life, and the Jackson clan.

I don't think so. This kind of constant hate, belittling and a quest to say the most horrible negative things imaginable, day in and day out, says much more about our society and how some now spend their time.

imo

Milz

08-23-2009, 05:54 PM

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And the excuses for MJ continue. jmo

No FACTS, get it right

jmo.......

GentleBreeze

08-23-2009, 06:27 PM

Why is the board being washed in so many blogs sites?

Ms Breeze,
Was it ok for the board to be washed in all those sites about Mr Jackson's donations?

in my opinion

Those articles about his donations can be found on legitimate mainstream media sites.

How is biased blog sites, which are compiled with nothing more than personal musings by an individual be legitimate media sites? They cant. They are just slanted opinions.

imo

GentleBreeze

08-23-2009, 06:38 PM

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Maybe u forgot about Neverland? IMO

Do you have a link that Neverland was completely filled with drugs in every room of the home:rolleyes:?

I'd like to read that because I have never heard that it was.

imo

Milz

08-23-2009, 06:57 PM

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I did get it right. its all excuses. imo

Your opinion, not mine and many others....

GentleBreeze

08-23-2009, 07:30 PM

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links mean absolutely nothing............nada.......zero.
Did u supply a link when u were talking about mj's kids and how well they will be doing in school........and on and on? nooooooooooo
imo

Why there most certainly is a difference.

That has already been disclosed in the trial so therefore there should be a link to what you said about the house being filled with drugs throughout Neverland.

Since we do not know the particulars yet on the children and how they will do in school, I can only give you an opinion at this time based on everyone who has spoken out that knows these three children and have all said they are extremely intelligent.

Now if they were already attending school and the media has reported that they are doing well in their new school, I would certainly provide you the link.

So you are trying to compare apples and oranges imo.

imo

daniel green

08-23-2009, 07:41 PM

You are being way too harsh in your choice of words imo. MJ was not like your average Joe and cannot be judged as such. snipped

Excuse me? :confused:

daniel green

08-23-2009, 07:42 PM

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This world would be a much better place if kids didnt have to live with a drug addict for a parent.......and a house full of drugs. snipped

Yep.

Or a parent who decided it was just fine to have a doctor move in so that he could be put into a coma every night, for petesakes.

daniel green

08-23-2009, 07:48 PM

Do you have a link that Neverland was completely filled with drugs in every room of the home:rolleyes:?

snipped

How many rooms is enough? One room? 5 rooms full of drugs? A bathroom and bedroom full of syringes, IV's, anesthetics, opiates, tranquelizers, steroids, injectable pain meds? How about a parent's bedroom with all those--that's OK? A bed with a plastic pad on it because a parent is being put into a coma every night?

I mean, for real, at what point are ppl going to stop making these crazy excuses for the inexcusable? Defending the indefensible?

daniel green

08-23-2009, 08:21 PM

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The drugs found at Neverland have been discussed over and over. Either u missed the posts or u wish to have a closed mind about it. imo

And all the reports have been that multiple drugs were found in the rented house this time, as well.

Rxs made out to at least 19 aliases--including his new chef and his own son.

daniel green

08-23-2009, 08:30 PM

Midazolam (MID-ay-zoe-lam)is used to produce sleepiness or drowsiness and to relieve anxiety before surgery or certain procedures. It is also used to produce loss of consciousness before and during surgery. Midazolam is used sometimes in patients in intensive care units in hospitals to cause unconsciousness. This may allow the patients to withstand the stress of being in the intensive care unit and help the patients cooperate when a machine must be used to assist them with breathing. Midazolam is given only by or under the immediate supervision of a doctor trained to use this medicine. If you will be receiving midazolam during surgery, your doctor or anesthesiologist will give you the medicine and closely follow your progress.

http://www.drugs.com/cons/versed.html

daniel green

08-23-2009, 08:40 PM

We've obtained documents that were part of the Sheriff's Department's investigation detailing what was found in the search. Among the items ...

-- A vial of Versed -- a powerful sedative
-- Several IV bags containing "a milky white fluid, located in a small cardboard box on top of the bathtub." Propofol and other anesthesias are milky white. As we first reported, Propofol was in Jackson's home the day he died.-- A vial of Promethazine -- an antihistamine with strong sedative effects
-- A bottle of Alprazolam (generic for Xanax, a powerful anti-anxiety drug)
-- A bottle of Percocet -- a painkiller
-- A syringe
-- A vial with Demerol in it
-- Numerous loose pills outside bottles
-- A bottle of Prednisone -- a steroid
-- Ery-tab -- an antibiotic
-- Prescriptions for Xanax that had been filled
-- A prescription for Alprazolam
-- Oxygen tanks
-- IV stands

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/10/raid-at-michael-jacksons-neverland-ranch-netted-heavy-drugs/

Cindylee

08-23-2009, 08:47 PM

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/10/raid-at-michael-jacksons-neverland-ranch-netted-heavy-drugs/

I would say that was a lot of drugs in the house. :ohmy:

But, don't forget MJ wasn't your average Joe, so shouldn't be judged the same. :wink:

retiredcop

08-23-2009, 08:48 PM

Yep. And according to a report, Murray stated that the drug in the closet was enough for one night. :scared: BUT I don't believe him on that.

I don't remember that statement coming from Dr Murray. Link to report please.

in my opinion

daniel green

08-23-2009, 08:55 PM

and he mixed with alcohol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I still have difficulty understanding how someone could be taking all those drugs. Let alone with alcohol. :scared:

daniel green

08-23-2009, 08:56 PM

I don't remember that statement coming from Dr Murray. Link to report please.

in my opinion

Murray never said that the Diprivan there was only for one night. That never happened.

BOZGAL2

08-23-2009, 08:56 PM

If this board represents even a small fraction of society, it's really no wonder at all so many children fall victim to predators every single day!!!!!!!!

imo

A true statement if I've ever heard one.
VERY SCARY INDEED

JMO

daniel green

08-23-2009, 08:58 PM

I would say that was a lot of drugs in the house. :ohmy:

But, don't forget MJ wasn't your average Joe, so shouldn't be judged the same. :wink:

Yeah, that is a mighty stash. I notice that a lot came from that pharmacy in Klein's bldg that was raided the other day.

I am still trying to get eyes from rolling on the ave Joe comment.

daniel green

08-23-2009, 08:59 PM

daniel green

08-23-2009, 09:09 PM

I dunno about crickets. I am still reeling from the prospect of "one last viewing." :scared:

Cindylee

08-23-2009, 09:10 PM

I dunno about crickets. I am still reeling from the prospect of "one last viewing." :scared:

Who said "one last viewing"? You aren't serious are you????:ohmy:

Cindylee

08-23-2009, 09:13 PM

Well, I will consider tonight...mission accomplished ...and head to bed.

Can't wait till the am when others PRETEND they didn't see the FACTS. ;)

Night........:seeya: :wink:

daniel green

08-23-2009, 09:14 PM

Who said "one last viewing"? You aren't serious are you????:ohmy:

Yeah, I am afraid I am. From the DD thread:

Some crypts do have ventilation systems and temp control installed in the walls of the crypt.

Refrigeration is to preserve the body to its maximum.

Imo, because there will be one last viewing before he is entombed.

imo

daniel green

08-23-2009, 09:17 PM

Good night, LQ!

BOZGAL2

08-23-2009, 09:24 PM

What I think speaks volumes about our society is how so many people think they need or have a right to know the private details of others lives, the pasing of judgment on other people who are strangers to them, the enjoyment of spending days, weeks, months, and even years picking people apart, analyzing their every move, what they wear, who chewed gum, and of course... how much more superior they are to the people they are condeming, the complete disregard of the fact that the people being condemed are human beings, with feelings and emotions. That we as a society can joke and laugh at the tragedies of others, without even a twinge of afterthought.

Is Michael Jackson a hero: It depends on how you define hero. There are thousands of people from all over the planet who's lives were made better because of the kindness and generosity of one man. I bet all those people might consider him a hero. Maybe the people who care about war, the earth, poverty, and disease, INCLUDING AIDS, and recognize and acknowledge the contributions made by Michael Jackson for their cause, consider him a hero.

His three beautiful children know he's a hero, because of the love and nurturing he gave them every single day of their lives, until the moment he died, no matter how much society has decided otherwise.

A society filled with hate, a sense of superiority, where people condemn and ridicule, instead of reaching out and exhibiting even a hint of compassion.

It does speak volumes as we look around and see all the turmoil in the world around us, and wonder why.

imo...of course

Beautiful post Scooby.
Its so sad when innocent children are raked over the coals.
So much hate, so little time must be the mantra of so many more people than I imagined.

PITIFUL. JMO

daniel green

08-23-2009, 09:26 PM

snipped Maybe the people who care about war, the earth, poverty, and disease, INCLUDING AIDS, and recognize and acknowledge the contributions made by Michael Jackson for their cause, consider him a hero.

snipped

That is just so, well, presumptious and wrong.

I care about war, and our planet and poverty and disease--most especially HIV/AIDS--and it has never crossed my mind to think of MJ as a hero. And I have never met anyone who has toiled long and hard on any of those areas who would even think to consider him as such.

daniel green

08-23-2009, 09:27 PM

snipped
Its so sad when innocent children are raked over the coals.

Well, you most certainly have not seen it here, because there has not been one person to say anything negative about those children.

Repeating that does not make it so.

retiredcop

08-23-2009, 09:28 PM

So, I was glancing through TVguide's Last Days of MJ tonight and found out that the EMTs were at the house stabalizing MJ for like 38 mins, talking to dispatch and the ER docs. The dispatcher was interviewed for the show.

Not only am I watching that, but also recording it. He had a chance to survive and they all tried their best. No way he had been gone long at all.

in my opinion

daniel green

08-23-2009, 09:32 PM

Not only am I watching that, but also recording it. He had a chance to survive and they all tried their best. No way he had been gone long at all.

in my opinion

I thought of you when I watched it, thinking no way was Murray involved in the decision at all. The EMTs were on the horn with dispatcher AND the ER for over 38 mins while they stabalized MJ enough to get him to the hospital.

BOZGAL2

08-23-2009, 09:33 PM

That is just so, well, presumptious and wrong.

I care about war, and our planet and poverty and disease--most especially HIV/AIDS--and it has never crossed my mind to think of MJ as a hero. And I have never met anyone who has toiled long and hard on any of those areas who would even think to consider him as such.

It is presumptuous to put people in a category which includes HERO worship if they happen to say something positive about MJ and his children. JMO

daniel green

08-23-2009, 09:34 PM

It is presumptuous to put people in a category which includes HERO worship if they happen to say something positive about MJ and his children. JMO

That is such a gross exageration it bears no semblance of truth.

BOZGAL2

08-23-2009, 09:37 PM

That is such a gross exageration it bears no semblance of truth.

That is your opinion.
I'm just reading what is posted. JMO

daniel green

08-23-2009, 09:41 PM

Its great that you care about all the above, too bad humanity and compassion couldn't be one of your never ending causes. snipped

Oh, bless your heart. That made me laugh out loud. :laugh:

daniel green

08-23-2009, 09:43 PM

That is your opinion.
I'm just reading what is posted. JMO

No, it is not my opinion. It is a statement of fact. You stated that the children have been "raked over the coals." Please link to even ONE instance of that happening here.

You won't be able to, because it hasn't happened.

daniel green

08-23-2009, 09:45 PM

Come to think of it, with regard to war, as Scooby posted above, what was MJ's contribution to that "cause?"

Cindylee

08-23-2009, 09:50 PM

What I think speaks volumes about our society is how so many people think they need or have a right to know the private details of others lives, the pasing of judgment on other people who are strangers to them, the enjoyment of spending days, weeks, months, and even years picking people apart, analyzing their every move, what they wear, who chewed gum, and of course... how much more superior they are to the people they are condeming, the complete disregard of the fact that the people being condemed are human beings, with feelings and emotions. That we as a society can joke and laugh at the tragedies of others, without even a twinge of afterthought.

Is Michael Jackson a hero: It depends on how you define hero. There are thousands of people from all over the planet who's lives were made better because of the kindness and generosity of one man. I bet all those people might consider him a hero. Maybe the people who care about war, the earth, poverty, and disease, INCLUDING AIDS, and recognize and acknowledge the contributions made by Michael Jackson for their cause, consider him a hero.

His three beautiful children know he's a hero, because of the love and nurturing he gave them every single day of their lives, until the moment he died, no matter how much society has decided otherwise.

A society filled with hate, a sense of superiority, where people condemn and ridicule, instead of reaching out and exhibiting even a hint of compassion.

It does speak volumes as we look around and see all the turmoil in the world around us, and wonder why.

imo...of course

This is a message board. Go to any one of the other boards here, and see people being talked about, every aspect of their lives are dissected. I do believe there is a memorial thread for MJ.
And I have not seen one person say anything bad about those kids, by the way.

daniel green

08-23-2009, 09:52 PM

Building hospitals, providing medicine, food, water and other necessities to the children and people of war torn countries around the world. I provided sufficient links upthread if you should ever care to educate yourself on the subject.

Ahhhhhhhh. You mean that sad list of alleged good deeds you listed ad infinitum? That is what MJ did for the "cause" of "war?" OK, then.

daniel green

08-23-2009, 09:54 PM

This is a message board. Go to any one of the other boards here, and see people being talked about, every aspect of their lives are dissected. I do believe there is a memorial thread for MJ.
And I have not seen one person say anything bad about those kids, by the way.

Indeed, Cindy. And nobody has said anything negative about the children. And there is a memorial thread.

Gosh, I took a look at that Casey A forum for a couple days and had to get on out of there. :scared:

retiredcop

08-23-2009, 09:56 PM

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Of course you know about it and I saw it too. LOL

in my opinion

daniel green

08-23-2009, 09:57 PM

Tsk, tsk. Those lil snarky personal comments really do weaken one's argument.

retiredcop

08-23-2009, 10:22 PM

Hello LandShark: I understand it perfectly, opinions at the expense of others. I was raised better than that. Something you probably don't understand. Nice to see you again though.

Why do you always call posters LandShark? You even thought I was LandShark.

in my opinion

daniel green

08-23-2009, 10:23 PM

I was raised better than that. Something you probably don't understand. snipped.

Saying you are better than others, repeatedly, makes for a weak, weak argument when championing compassion and love and, oh, humanity.

Cindylee

08-23-2009, 10:54 PM

So that makes it okay, huh.

Well, it is an opinion board. We all have them. Not everyone thinks the Jackson's or Mj are the greatest thing since sliced bread.

retiredcop

08-23-2009, 10:56 PM

I just heard on Geraldo the Jacksons have a bombshell announcement coming up Monday.

in my opinion

Cindylee

08-23-2009, 10:57 PM

One can only pray they don't.

There are many boards out there on the internet about MJ. Some positive, some negative. Some in between. Their father was (is) famous, there are always going to be things written about him. How in the world could they be sheltered from that? He led a dramatic life, and died a dramatic death. People are going to talk about it. Just like every case on this board.

Cindylee

08-23-2009, 10:58 PM

I just heard on Geraldo the Jacksons have a bombshell announcement coming up Monday.

in my opinion

:rolleyes: Wonder what that could be???

GentleBreeze

08-23-2009, 11:07 PM

There are many boards out there on the internet about MJ. Some positive, some negative. Some in between. Their father was (is) famous, there are always going to be things written about him. How in the world could they be sheltered from that? He led a dramatic life, and died a dramatic death. People are going to talk about it. Just like every case on this board.

Yes, there are quite a few sites to visit that discusses the MJ case however out of the eight sites I go to none has the tone that this message board does.

imo

Unperson1984

08-23-2009, 11:08 PM

:rolleyes: Wonder what that could be???

Let's hope it's not another Tribute Concert...:rolleyes:

Imperfect4

08-23-2009, 11:09 PM

Its okay to express opinions about a prescription drug addict who admittedly shared his bed with little boys. Whether the prescription drug addict's children read here or not.

Sooner or later, the prescription drug addict's children will find out about the prescription drug addict's life. Unless the children are already aware, of course.

Oh, don't be silly, marco. Despite what we've seen with our own eyes and what all the authorities have been telling us for decades about the damage done to children who grow up with a substance abuser, I think it's important for people to ignore all that evidence and what we have learned from it for purposes of pretending MJ's children are not only completely well-adjusted, but actually EXCEPTIONALLY bright and talented as a result of living with their substance abusing father.

Cindylee

08-23-2009, 11:19 PM

Cindylee

08-23-2009, 11:33 PM

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If its so bad here, why do u keep coming back?
oh and by the way..........have u read about the drugs at Neverland?
imo

Speaking of drugs....have we heard anymore about the drugs that someone gave to Geraldo's brother? Was that just a Geraldo stunt thing?

Imperfect4

08-23-2009, 11:34 PM

Not to mention their father's looks changing constantly before their eyes. I wonder how he explained that one?

Children deserve and need selfless parents. It should be a law of the universe that only people who've gotten over themselves are able to procreate. Substance abusers and people addicted to gambling, shopping, porn, sex, etc. -- people preoccupied with their appearance -- people who want to remain children themselves -- people who view their children as belongings and not as human beings deserving of two, fully present, sober parents -- and on and on -- are not selfless, and their children suffer for it.

Those who wish to paint MJ as father of the year are, in a manner of speaking, re-victimizing his children. His children need the opportunity, time and space to process what they've been through, without pressure from the Jackson clan and diehard MJ fans to speak only in glowing terms of life with their father.

imo

Cindylee

08-23-2009, 11:39 PM

Children deserve and need selfless parents. It should be a law of the universe that only people who've gotten over themselves are able to procreate. Substance abusers and people addicted to gambling, shopping, porn, sex, etc. -- people preoccupied with their appearance -- people who want to remain children themselves -- people who view their children as belongings and not as human beings deserving of two, fully present, sober parents -- and on and on -- are not selfless, and their children suffer for it.

Those who wish to paint MJ as father of the year are, in a manner of speaking, re-victimizing his children. His children need the opportunity, time and space to process what they've been through, without pressure from the Jackson clan and diehard MJ fans to speak only in glowing terms of life with their father.

imo

I agree with all of this.

ETA: I think a lot of "star's" kids have a really hard time growing up. Look at the evidence of some that are in the news now.

Imperfect4

08-23-2009, 11:54 PM

I agree with all of this.

ETA: I think a lot of "star's" kids have a really hard time growing up. Look at the evidence of some that are in the news now.

Yep! Many children of celebrities, and many children of the self-absorbed across every income bracket.

We don't place any value on giving children a normal, healthy upbringing. No time for that -- we've got celebrities to fantasize about.

Cindylee

08-23-2009, 11:55 PM

Nope, I have looked but I don't find anything about the home being FULL of drugs. That is a huge house with lots and lots of rooms other than MJ bedroom and bathroom. Lots of people have medicines in their bedroom or bathrooms and oh yeah they have kids too. Maybe that is why medicine cabinets are called medicine cabinets and they have been in existence for decades.

Because I can do whatever I want to and when I want to. I don't come here nearly as often now though. I find other places much more relaxed and respectful that leaves the snarky attacks on the playground instead of bringing it to an adult message board.

I just come here to read what smut campaign is going on at the particular moment against MJ, the children's family or whatever or whomever is being hashed and bashed at the moment.

imo

Not many homes have IV bags in their homes, and that array of injectable drugs.

Cindylee

08-24-2009, 12:00 AM

Yep! Many children of celebrities, and many children of the self-absorbed across every income bracket.

We don't place any value on giving children a normal, healthy upbringing. No time for that -- we've got celebrities to fantasize about.

True..........

LandShark©

08-24-2009, 12:01 AM

:stolen ohmy: Noooooooooooooo Not LandShark. :scared:

Yes. It is I.

Dude! :seeya:

Dudette! :seeya:

Always a pleasure to 'see' you.

Contemplating the autopsy report. And the eventual arrests of a few doctors.

GentleBreeze

08-24-2009, 12:01 AM

Children deserve and need selfless parents. It should be a law of the universe that only people who've gotten over themselves are able to procreate. Substance abusers and people addicted to gambling, shopping, porn, sex, etc. -- people preoccupied with their appearance -- people who want to remain children themselves -- people who view their children as belongings and not as human beings deserving of two, fully present, sober parents -- and on and on -- are not selfless, and their children suffer for it.

Those who wish to paint MJ as father of the year are, in a manner of speaking, re-victimizing his children. His children need the opportunity, time and space to process what they've been through, without pressure from the Jackson clan and diehard MJ fans to speak only in glowing terms of life with their father.

imo

How do you know what these children feel?

How do you know they don't truly see and feel that their father was very loving to them and feels exactly the way Paris expressed to the world? I doubt they see their father as you see him.

BTW/ the kids were in Las Vegas for the weekend with three of their friends and from the media they had a ball playing in the pool with Grandma watching and smiling at their antics.:smile:

imo

GentleBreeze

08-24-2009, 12:02 AM

Not many homes have IV bags in their homes, and that array of injectable drugs.

How do we know what MOST have?

It wasnt even enough for LE to do anything. They saw them all and did nothing.

imo

Cindylee

08-24-2009, 12:04 AM

How do you know what these children feel?

How do you know they don't truly see and feel that their father was very loving to them and feels exactly the way Paris expressed to the world? I doubt they see their father as you see him.

BTW/ the kids were in Las Vegas for the weekend with three of their friends and from the media they had a ball playing in the pool with Grandma watching and smiling at their antics.:smile:

imo

Was Grandpa Joe there? And, I am sure they loved their father very much.

BOZGAL2

08-24-2009, 12:06 AM

Nope, I have looked but I don't find anything about the home being FULL of drugs. That is a huge house with lots and lots of rooms other than MJ bedroom and bathroom. Lots of people have medicines in their bedroom or bathrooms and oh yeah they have kids too. Maybe that is why medicine cabinets are called medicine cabinets and they have been in existence for decades.

Because I can do whatever I want to and when I want to. I don't come here nearly as often now though. I find other places much more relaxed and respectful that leaves the snarky attacks on the playground instead of bringing it to an adult message board.

I just come here to read what smut campaign is going on at the particular moment against MJ, the children's family or whatever or whomever is being hashed and bashed at the moment.

imo

:thumbsup:
I just cannot help watching that train wreck over and over. Just wondering when it will be derailed off the tracks for good.

Cindylee

08-24-2009, 12:06 AM

How do we know what MOST have?

It wasnt even enough for LE to do anything. They saw them all and did nothing.

imo

Oh come on. How many people do you know with IV bags and poles in their homes? Maybe people in hospice. I have no idea why they didn't do anything about the drugs. They should have. IMO

GentleBreeze

08-24-2009, 12:07 AM

Was Grandpa Joe there? And, I am sure they loved their father very much.

No, he wasn't there.

I put it in the link thread.

Also saw another alert that said Dr. Murray is on suicide watch in his home but that one was from a site I didn't recognize so I didn't put that one up.

imo

GentleBreeze

08-24-2009, 12:10 AM

Oh come on. How many people do you know with IV bags and poles in their homes? Maybe people in hospice. I have no idea why they didn't do anything about the drugs. They should have. IMO

I truly cannot say what people have in their homes. I don't go into their private areas if I am just visiting.

With millions known to be hooked on drugs I don't think MJ was the only one that has IV bags and injectable drugs.

imo

LandShark©

08-24-2009, 12:12 AM

UK NEWS: STAR’S DOCTOR ON SUICIDE WATCH (http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/122220/Star-s-doctor-on-suicide-watch)

From the link:

They fear he may try to take his own life rather than face second-degree murder or manslaughter charges over Jackson’s death.

Last night, a police source claimed “serious charges” against Dr Murray were imminent.

GentleBreeze

08-24-2009, 12:12 AM

:thumbsup:
I just cannot help watching that train wreck over and over. Just wondering when it will be derailed off the tracks for good.

Hi there BG!:seeya:

Yeah, me too!:biggrin:

Imo

Cindylee

08-24-2009, 12:13 AM

I truly cannot say what people have in their homes. I don't go into their private areas if I am just visiting.

With millions known to be hooked on drugs I don't think MJ was the only one that has IV bags and injectable drugs.

imo

Oh that's right, I forgot he was just your average Joe. One of millions. :rolleyes:

GentleBreeze

08-24-2009, 12:16 AM

it is always the same in every case. Looks like a number of posters already got sick of the incompetence here and are not posting anymore. imo

Yes, it doesn't take long. Many don't think it is worth it to wade through all the bickering trying to find any mainstream media updates about the case.

imo

GentleBreeze

08-24-2009, 12:18 AM

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Maye u should take off those rose colored glasses.
And once again u posted nothing more than excuses. imo

Maybe you need to Buzzzzz off and quit telling me what I should do.:no:

imo

Cindylee

08-24-2009, 12:19 AM

Yes, it doesn't take long. Many don't think it is worth it to wade through all the bickering trying to find any mainstream media updates about the case.

imo

I think if you didn't want the bickering, you would go to the mainstream media websites for your updates. I think you love the bickering. But, that is MO.

GentleBreeze

08-24-2009, 12:22 AM

Good for them. With their Father in their hearts and his spirit above, together they will heal. Gob bless them.

Scooby, they are going to be just fine, imo.:smile:

Their father will never leave them for he is always in that special place in each of their hearts that only belongs to him.

imo

GentleBreeze

08-24-2009, 12:27 AM

I think if you didn't want the bickering, you would go to the mainstream media websites for your updates. I think you love the bickering. But, that is MO.

Actually I do. A lot of the time that is where I find mainstream media articles that have not been linked here.

I hate the bickering but you believe what you want. I am certainly not afraid of those who throw sarcastic barbs at me and yes, I will repy.

imo

Cindylee

08-24-2009, 12:28 AM

Scooby, they are going to be just fine, imo.:smile:

Their father will never leave them for he is always in that special place in each of their hearts that only belongs to him.

imo

Their father left them, he made a choice. I know that drug addiction is an insidious thing, but that was his choice. That is a fact. I think they loved him, and I think they will be angry. I would be. I have been. I have loved drug addicts, and I have lost drug addicts, and I was angry. Doesn't mean I didn't still love them. But, I was, and am angry at their choices.

Cindylee

08-24-2009, 12:29 AM

Actually I do. A lot of the time that is where I find mainstream media articles that have not been linked here.

I hate the bickering but you believe what you want. I am certainly not afraid of those who throw sarcastic barbs at me and yes, I will repy.

imo

Good...........

GentleBreeze

08-24-2009, 12:30 AM

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wow......sounds like i hit a nerve? or u could always use the ignore feature.

I have never used the ignore feature in the 7 years I have been here.

Simple. Stop telling a poster what they should do. You have no more weight here than any other poster and you aren't the hall monitor.

imo

Cindylee

08-24-2009, 12:32 AM

The American Association of Oral and Maxillofacial Surgeons Position on Diprivan (Propofol)

http://dentistry.about.com/b/2009/08/23/the-american-association-of-oral-and-maxillofacial-surgeons-position-on-diprivan-propofol.htm

Great article.

GentleBreeze

08-24-2009, 12:34 AM

Their father left them, he made a choice. I know that drug addiction is an insidious thing, but that was his choice. That is a fact. I think they loved him, and I think they will be angry. I would be. I have been. I have loved drug addicts, and I have lost drug addicts, and I was angry. Doesn't mean I didn't still love them. But, I was, and am angry at their choices.

He was their father. They have very deep love for him. Imo, they will have understanding and sadness for their father. I am sure a doctor would explain to them that their father had a disease that was beyond his control.

I think they will have compassion for their father not anger.

They may even go into the field when they become grown and advocating support for those horribly addicted.

imo

Cindylee

08-24-2009, 12:41 AM

He was their father. They have very deep love for him. Imo, they will have understanding and sadness for their father. I am sure a doctor would explain to them that their father had a disease that was beyond his control.

I think they will have compassion for their father not anger.

They may even go into the field when they become grown and advocating support for those horribly addicted.

imo

I think they will have anger, and I do hope they are getting psychological help. I don't see how they can't be angry. They have lost the only parent they know. Have you never lost someone that you loved in a senseless death and been angry?

Cindylee

08-24-2009, 12:51 AM

what a sad revelation that a dead man cannot rest in peace without people bickering and debating about his life.
someone applauds Michael's achievements, another person wants to bring him down.
he's dead. his children have no father. his family is mourning.
all the nasty comments about michael will never erase his time on this earth, but if it makes you feel better to belittle him and his family go for it.
just watch out for karma __ she's a B.
Start with the family, they need to bury MJ. They need to stop worrying about the money, the concerts, and bury the children's father, and their son and brother.

Cindylee

08-24-2009, 12:55 AM

as far as I know anger is part of any grieving process. I think they already are or will be angry at doctors that mistreated their father to death, and at people who exploited and trashed him and still are.

imo I am sure they will.

Cindylee

08-24-2009, 01:00 AM

Anger is one of the stages of grief, and a necessary part of the healing process. Yes it is, and I think the children will be confused for a long time to come. As I said, I hope they are getting help.

Cindylee

08-24-2009, 01:05 AM

You might be surprised what these children understand. Isn't the oldest 11 or 12. I don't believe you give them enough credit.
They have grown up in an adult environment and surely a lot more savvy than you think. I think you are right. I think these kids, as most kids of parents that have problems, know more about life than any regular kids do at this age. Regular kids, meaning with parents that don't have a drug addiction, or lead unusual lives. Just regular folks. IYKWIM.

Cindylee

08-24-2009, 01:20 AM

I do not understand you - what´s so great about "regular folks"? Propofol may be unusual, but drug addiction is not unusual at all among "regular folks".
I don't know. :shrug: Most people I know don't do drugs. I have known some, but most....no.

Cindylee

08-24-2009, 01:29 AM

I have a question for the people who have been defending everything about Mj. Do you think MJ was a good roll model? Would you want your children, grandchildren emulating MJ's life? Do you think he had a good life?

Cindylee

08-24-2009, 01:38 AM

I have already told you this several times: You cannot be close enough to "most people" to know.

So what are you saying???? Everyone does drugs? Everyone is MJ? :laugh: I hate to break it to you but, there are people who don't do drugs.

Cindylee

08-24-2009, 01:49 AM

The TV Guide show is very interesting. Comparing Elvis and MJ.

Cindylee

08-24-2009, 01:59 AM

Bad role model is a person who lives life degrading and disrespecting others. Michael never did that. He gave his heart and soul to everyone he encountered.
Why are you spending your time here..bashing someone who is dead and cannot defend himself?

Because I think he had a lot of problems, and I would hope that children would not hold him up as some kind of idol. I would hope that people could see that he had major issues, and that drugs aren't the answer. All of you who make all of the excuses for Mj are not doing any favors to kids that might look up to him. They need to realize that he did have a drug addiction and needed help. Why glorify a man that used drugs. He was a great entertainer, but he wasn't without faults. He needed help, and didn't get it. I am not bashing him, but I refuse to excuse him for the things he did, or the way he lived his life.

Cindylee

08-24-2009, 02:05 AM

Not Telling

08-24-2009, 04:00 AM

Because I think he had a lot of problems, and I would hope that children would not hold him up as some kind of idol. I would hope that people could see that he had major issues, and that drugs aren't the answer. All of you who make all of the excuses for Mj are not doing any favors to kids that might look up to him. They need to realize that he did have a drug addiction and needed help. Why glorify a man that used drugs. He was a great entertainer, but he wasn't without faults. He needed help, and didn't get it. I am not bashing him, but I refuse to excuse him for the things he did, or the way he lived his life.

Do you think MJ chose to become addicted to drugs? Do you think anyone thinks it's admirable and something desirable to suffer from?

daniel green

08-24-2009, 11:17 AM

Let's hope it's not another Tribute Concert...:rolleyes:

For real. Or yet another push back of the burial.

daniel green

08-24-2009, 11:30 AM

Oh, don't be silly, marco. Despite what we've seen with our own eyes and what all the authorities have been telling us for decades about the damage done to children who grow up with a substance abuser, I think it's important for people to ignore all that evidence and what we have learned from it for purposes of pretending MJ's children are not only completely well-adjusted, but actually EXCEPTIONALLY bright and talented as a result of living with their substance abusing father.

That's rigth. As a result of living with a man suffering with body dysmorphia, being taken hither and yon wherever their father could live free on someone else's dime until they had a fall out, not being with an extended family, other children, etc. And with a father who pays to have himself put into a coma each night. Of course we can pretend these poor children are well adjusted and EXCEPTIONAL. :rolleyes:

I bet that having to wear masks, burqas and veils did not bother them at all, either...

daniel green

08-24-2009, 11:34 AM

Not to mention their father's looks changing constantly before their eyes. I wonder how he explained that one?

I've always wondered about that. I got my hair cut off one time when my twins were little--and they looked taken aback and clung to their dad for a few minutes, till they figured out it was me. And my grand-children hate it when their moms' hair is different. Can you imagine what it must be like to have your sole parent look different from one day to the next, over and over?

Cindylee

08-24-2009, 11:52 AM

I've always wondered about that. I got my hair cut off one time when my twins were little--and they looked taken aback and clung to their dad for a few minutes, till they figured out it was me. And my grand-children hate it when their moms' hair is different. Can you imagine what it must be like to have your sole parent look different from one day to the next, over and over?

Ha, I had my hair permed years ago an my little guy started crying, and told me I looked like a dog. :scared:

No, I can't imagine what he told his kids. His changes were not subtle.

daniel green

08-24-2009, 11:58 AM

How do we know what MOST have?

It wasnt even enough for LE to do anything. They saw them all and did nothing.

imo

Oh, please. Like ppl live with those kind of hard core drugs in their houses, and IV bags and poles. Right. :rolleyes:

The prosecution did not want to take the jury's attention away from the moletation charges, it is why he was not chaged with it. That is not "it wasn't enough for LE to do anything."

daniel green

08-24-2009, 12:08 PM

Ha, I had my hair permed years ago an my little guy started crying, and told me I looked like a dog. :scared:

No, I can't imagine what he told his kids. His changes were not subtle.

Oh, that's funny, Cindy! Kids!

daniel green

08-24-2009, 12:14 PM

He was their father. They have very deep love for him. Imo, they will have understanding and sadness for their father. snipped

Though decades of experience with drug addict's children says the opposite. Or the decades of experts who differ with that opinion you gave.

You know the reason for programs for children/family of addicts?

Roxxanne

08-24-2009, 12:14 PM

Oh, please. Like ppl live with those kind of hard core drugs in their houses, and IV bags and poles. Right. :rolleyes:

The prosecution did not want to take the jury's attention away from the moletation charges, it is why he was not chaged with it. That is not "it wasn't enough for LE to do anything."

Why was he not charged with it after the trial?

Cindylee

08-24-2009, 12:17 PM

Why was he not charged with it after the trial?

Good question. Or the Dr.'s investigated?

retiredcop

08-24-2009, 12:17 PM

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/24/michael-jackson-lawsuit-creditor/

Michael Jackson's Ongoing Legal Woes

Posted Aug 24th 2009 7:30AM by TMZ Staff

The creditors just keep coming. A law firm that did work for Michael Jackson in connection with the child molestation trial claims the estate still owes money for unpaid fees.

The law firm of Ayscough & Marar was hired by Jackson in 2005 to work on the case and claims Jackson stiffed them to the tune of $200,000.

In a new creditor's claim filed with the probate court, the firm is asking for $31,757.97. The nature of the bill is not specified.

daniel green

08-24-2009, 12:19 PM

I don´t think anyone is entitled to stereotype and discriminate others. Please tell me: Since when does America mean you have a right to stereotype?

I truly hope we are not going to start with the anti-American stuff you bring into every forum.

Oh, and for the record, everyone, all over the world, sterotypes.

Cindylee

08-24-2009, 12:23 PM

www.tmz.com

Company Wigs Out -- Sues Over M.J. Costumes

Posted Aug 24th 2009 10:33AM by TMZ Staff

A company that makes those ornate powdered wigs for solicitors and barristers in England, claims it has exclusive rights to market Michael Jackson wigs and is suing a costume company that got into the act.

R.H. Smith & Sons has been making those white English wigs for more than a century. In a lawsuit filed in federal court in New York, the company complains Rubie's Costume Company has been sending emails around claiming it's got exclusive worldwide rights to market Jacko wigs, costumes and accessories.

R.H. Smith & Sons begs to differ, claiming it's under license from MJ Licensing LLC to market MJ wigs, costumes and accessories -- and says Rubie's claims to exclusivity has damaged their business.

The company wants an injunction prohibiting Rubie's from pushing the products. They also want Rubie's to contact everyone it's been in touch with claiming rights to the products and correct the error. R.H. also wants damages.

retiredcop

08-24-2009, 12:29 PM

Why was he not charged with it after the trial?

I would say the DA chose not to charge him. The DA has the right to charge or not charge. I'd say Mr Jackson was lucky.

in my opinion

retiredcop

08-24-2009, 12:39 PM

Good question. Or the Dr.'s investigated?

Why waste the taxpayers dollars just to deal with another star struck jury? No deaths occurred from any of those drugs either.

in my opinion

Cindylee

08-24-2009, 12:42 PM

Why waste the taxpayers dollars just to deal with another star struck jury? No deaths occurred from any of those drugs either.

in my opinion

True.........

Unperson1984

08-24-2009, 12:44 PM

Good question. Or the Dr.'s investigated?

I can think of a couple of reasons. If they were prescribed drugs in MJ's name they weren't illegal. Another reason could have to do with the search warrant and what they were looking for under it's terms.

Cindylee

08-24-2009, 01:01 PM

I can think of a couple of reasons. If they were prescribed drugs in MJ's name they weren't illegal. Another reason could have to do with the search warrant and what they were looking for under it's terms.

More good points.

daniel green

08-24-2009, 01:01 PM

daniel green

08-24-2009, 01:11 PM

daniel green

08-24-2009, 01:14 PM

Police believe Michael Jackson used secret email accounts to buy prescription drugs

Detectives in Los Angeles have recently discovered the late pop legend had accessed AOL and Gmail accounts in the run up to his death in June from a suspected cardiac arrest and plan to search his personal messages for evidence he used them to acquire medicines illegally.

A source told Britain's Daily Mirror newspaper: "They could hold vital evidence with regard to Michael's death and the drugs he was using regularly. Not only did he get prescription drugs through a network of doctors, it's believed he may also have got them from illegal websites or drug cartels. The Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) has to get a search warrant first and this takes a few days."

Police are also keen to search a private mobile phone belonging to the 'Thriller' singer.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/35/20090824/ten-michael-jackson-s-secret-drug-emails-764dee7.html

Geeze louise. So he not only got the scripts for decades from docs he befriended and friendly pharmacies, but he might have gotten them illegally on the internet?

Firehead11

08-24-2009, 01:14 PM

Cindylee

08-24-2009, 01:16 PM

I betcha someone will blame MJ for this also.

Only if he promised exclusivity to both.

Cindylee

08-24-2009, 01:21 PM

Maybe in the Country you are from but here in America I don't think many folks would subscribe to what you consider is "normal" and you chide me for stereotyping!!!

Now you will be accused of not "knowing" many folks. :wink:

Cindylee

08-24-2009, 01:23 PM

Well, it certainly wouldn't be the first time he did. imo

I wonder how many times MJ has been sued???

Cindylee

08-24-2009, 01:31 PM

Cin, my synapses are aching enough from this thread. I can't laugh and be angry at the same time. :laugh:

Stealing one of your laughs. :lol:

Cindylee

08-24-2009, 01:35 PM

Too darn many! But that's what happens when a person lies, takes advantage of others and doesn't pay their bills.

I googled it, and there are a lot. Too many to read them all.

Firehead11

08-24-2009, 02:06 PM

I wonder why his business managers didn't pay those bills on time? Do you people really believe that Jackson wrote all his own checks?

Barbara fl.

08-24-2009, 02:28 PM

The way I look at things, is that not all roll models have to have the same characteristics as other peoples roll models........I'v often noticed that some children who were neglected, abandoned and abused adore the ones who did this too them...I also have seen children that hate their parents who were good decent parents...Some people never grow up, some grow up before their time....Unfortunately we live in a society that is very acceptable to wrong doings...we have people that are weak and poor, so they suffer the most because they can not afford to pleasures that they seek...on the other side, we have people that are rich and can afford the things that make them feel good....however, if we didn't have the in between monsters, that have the power and get greedy for the money, that can be bought...and until the law steps in and does something about it, we are going to continue to have Michael Jackson's, and Anna Nicole Smiths...and i'm sure there is alot more around....

As for Michael Jackson being a good father or not, not one of us will be able to tell, because his children adored him and obviously loved him very much....I personally never believed the stories about MJ, I always felt that if someone molested my child I would not be interested in a pay off, I would want that person off the streets so he could not do it again.....therefore, I tend not to believe these accusers...JMO

In either case...the man is deceased.....he's gone....and may he rest in peace....