8/22, 8/23, 8/24

[?WudScoobyDo]

He gets points because his daughter can talk? GMAB.

mo


He gets points for being a human being.

imo...of course.

[?WudScoobyDo]

----------------

Excellent post. MJ, in no way shape or form, fits the role model.


Oddly enough, at one time the president of the United States honored him as a role model.

[?WudScoobyDo]

The way I look at things, is that not all roll models have to have the same characteristics as other peoples roll models........I'v often noticed that some children who were neglected, abandoned and abused adore the ones who did this too them...I also have seen children that hate their parents who were good decent parents...Some people never grow up, some grow up before their time....Unfortunately we live in a society that is very acceptable to wrong doings...we have people that are weak and poor, so they suffer the most because they can not afford to pleasures that they seek...on the other side, we have people that are rich and can afford the things that make them feel good....however, if we didn't have the in between monsters, that have the power and get greedy for the money, that can be bought...and until the law steps in and does something about it, we are going to continue to have Michael Jackson's, and Anna Nicole Smiths...and i'm sure there is alot more around....

As for Michael Jackson being a good father or not, not one of us will be able to tell, because his children adored him and obviously loved him very much....I personally never believed the stories about MJ, I always felt that if someone molested my child I would not be interested in a pay off, I would want that person off the streets so he could not do it again.....therefore, I tend not to believe these accusers...JMO

In either case...the man is deceased.....he's gone....and may he rest in peace....


Good Post Barbara! I have never heard anyone who knew MJ to say anything other but that he was a wonderful, devoted father. Its too bad how he was brought down by the false allegations. I'm sure that in some way that entire injustice played a part in his death.

imo...of course.

[Emerald]

I've always wondered about that. I got my hair cut off one time when my twins were little--and they looked taken aback and clung to their dad for a few minutes, till they figured out it was me. And my grand-children hate it when their moms' hair is different. Can you imagine what it must be like to have your sole parent look different from one day to the next, over and over?

JMO

The changes were normal to MJ's children.

In several interviews, MJ indicated the most important quality in the surrogates was intelligence. Those children were lucky enough to have as well the diverse education of travel and culture.

[?WudScoobyDo]

Apparently, CPS was star struck as well. They couldn't have cared less. imo


CPS has been investigated a number of times in California, and as incompetent as they have been found to be, it was never in connection to their investigation of MJ. As I recall CPS determined every allegation repoprted to them, as unfounded. It wasn't even unsubstantiated which would leave the suspicion, but no proof to take action. Unfounded means they put no merit into the allegations. Star struck has never been one of the problems within that system.

imo...of course.

[?WudScoobyDo]

He gets demerits for sleeping with little boys.


It wasn't illegal. Whatever demerits you give him is drowned out by the thousands of little boys and girls who's lives he made a positive impact on. Aside from the extortionists, everyone else who knew him, and spent time at Neverland didn't see any impropriety. Oh.. neither did our system of justice when it exonerated him completely.

imo..of course.

[sallemae]

A bad role model is a person that does whatever he pleases with absolutely no consideration given as to how it will effect others.

A bad role model, is a drug addict.

A bad role model is a liar.

A bad role model would be someone that clearly despises the man he sees in the mirror and repeatedly attempts to erase the image. Hacking away till there is nothing left.

A bad role model would put children in inappropriate situations.

A bad role model doesn't pay his bills.

A bad role model uses people.

A bad role model sequesters his children from the world....and pretty much makes them wear bags over their little heads.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
A good role model isn't an enabler.

A good role model doesn't make excuses for profane behavior and go as far as idolize it.

A good role model is honest and straightforward.

A good role model is a person children can look up to and aspire to be.

A good role model has the TRUTH on their side, not a bunch of fabricated nonsense.


I have good qualities and bad ones, on my very best day, it's all great, but I've got bad days too, and those bad qualities come out. However, my children often didn't see the bad, and were not subjected to it. My children were raised to know right from wrong regardless of what I did, I would imagine, that MJ's children were probably raised the same.

I DON'T KNOW ANYONE THAT IS PERFECT!


imo

[?WudScoobyDo]

------------------

in what year was that?


The links have been posted. You will have to take it up with CW if those links are no longer there.

[sallemae]

The title of this forum is Michael Jackson Discussion. The title is not Michael Jackson Now Discussion. I'll talk about whatever I wish pertaining to Michael Jackson.

Michael Jackson admittedly slept with little boys. Fact.


You are so right, the key word is SLEPT!!!! Nothing wrong with that.

Keep on living in the past.....


imo

[?WudScoobyDo]

The title of this forum is Michael Jackson Discussion. The title is not Michael Jackson Now Discussion. I'll talk about whatever I wish pertaining to Michael Jackson.

Michael Jackson admittedly slept with little boys. Fact.


So what. If you don't agree with it, then you don't have to share your bed with anyone.

[GentleBreeze]

Michael Jackson paid millions to keep other molestation charges from coming to trial. Fact.

I wonder why, with all the money he had access to, Michael Jackson decided to settle instead of clearing his name in a court of law.

Because he knew there would be people like you that even if he was able to clear his name and be found not guilty it would never be good enough.

Just the mere allegations alone can ruin someone's life that is why the extortion worked.

imo

[?WudScoobyDo]

Michael Jackson paid millions to keep other molestation charges from coming to trial. Fact.

I wonder why, with all the money he had access to, Michael Jackson decided to settle instead of clearing his name in a court of law.

It was the decision of his insurance company. I believe it has been reported that it was MJ's preference to fight it, and prove the allegations false, like he did the second time he was the victim of extortion.

[?WudScoobyDo]

The title of this forum is Michael Jackson Discussion. The title is not Michael Jackson Now Discussion. I'll talk about whatever I wish pertaining to Michael Jackson.

Michael Jackson admittedly slept with little boys. Fact.

Actually I believe CW has stated repeatedly that those issues should be discussed in the old trial forum. As far as I know, this thread is a discussion of his death, not of his acquittal.

[GentleBreeze]

The keywords are LITTLE BOYS.

A sick individual is a grown man who sleeps with little boys. Not drug addiction "sick." Sick in the head "sick."

Pedophile sick.

How old were these boys? I thought they were teenagers and many of them street wise.

imo

[?WudScoobyDo]

The keywords are LITTLE BOYS.

A sick individual is a grown man who sleeps with little boys. Not drug addiction "sick." Sick in the head "sick."

Pedophile sick.


Then you shouldn't do it. Obviously he didn't view it the same wasy as you do, and that was his choice.

[?WudScoobyDo]

What extortion are you talking about? Are you saying everyone who settles a case outside of the criminal courts were being extorted?

Or was it only Michael Jackson?


This is the MJ forum, not the everyone who settles a case forum.

[GentleBreeze]

What extortion are you talking about? Are you saying everyone who settles a case outside of the criminal courts were being extorted?

Or was it only Michael Jackson?

Yes, in MJs case and others as well.

Not everyone but it happens.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

You thought wrong.

So how old were they?

imo

[?WudScoobyDo]

Because he knew there would be people like you that even if he was able to clear his name and be found not guilty it would never be good enough.

Just the mere allegations alone can ruin someone's life that is why the extortion worked.

imo

Well.. in the criminal case the extortion worked to destroy the spirit of an innocent man, however it didn't provide the pot of gold sought by the (un-named) family. But that family did strike their pot of gold through welfare fraud and a frivilous lawsuit against JC Penny.

[retiredcop]

Ha, I had my hair permed years ago an my little guy started crying, and told me I looked like a dog. :scared:

No, I can't imagine what he told his kids. His changes were not subtle.


Hahaha A Poodle? My son thought I changed into a Poodle!! His changes were not that subtle either.

in my opinion

[desmom]

Michael Jackson died of lethal levels of propofol, court documents show
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/bal-michael-jackson-death-0824,0,5959416.story

[GentleBreeze]

Neil Cabuto on Fox News just did a news alert.

Said they are being told that MJ died from high doses of Propovol in his system.

Neil said this is going to result in one of the largest lawsuits in this country.

imo

[Emerald]

Michael Jackson paid millions to keep other molestation charges from coming to trial. Fact.

I wonder why, with all the money he had access to, Michael Jackson decided to settle instead of clearing his name in a court of law.

JMO

Your statement is not entirely accurate.

MJ was found not guilty in a court of law. Neither the boy nor his Family from the first case which was settled out of court would testify in the jury case.

MJ is dead now. His legacy is the artistry, children and most likely changes to ability of addicts to access drugs through the internet.

[?WudScoobyDo]

Michael Jackson died of lethal levels of propofol, court documents show
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/bal-michael-jackson-death-0824,0,5959416.story


From your link:

Murray has already acknowledged obtaining and administering propofol to Jackson the morning that he died. In an interview with police, Murray told them that he left Jackson alone under the influence of the medication to make telephone calls to his Houston office and family members.

hmm... I wonder if those were the same calls he made when he instructed his staff to remove potential evidence from storage. It will be interesting to find out if the coroner can determine the cause of death being hours before 9-1-1 was called.

[GentleBreeze]

Michael Jackson died of lethal levels of propofol, court documents show
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/bal-michael-jackson-death-0824,0,5959416.story

OMG! And he was giving him all these other drugs too and then gave him the Propovol knowing he had kept pumping him full of other drugs beforehand.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

From your link:

Murray has already acknowledged obtaining and administering propofol to Jackson the morning that he died. In an interview with police, Murray told them that he left Jackson alone under the influence of the medication to make telephone calls to his Houston office and family members.

hmm... I wonder if those were the same calls he made when he instructed his staff to remove potential evidence from storage. It will be interesting to find out if the coroner can determine the cause of death being hours before 9-1-1 was called.

Hmmm so he did call his Houston office after all.

imo

[?WudScoobyDo]

Neil Cabuto on Fox News just did a news alert.

Said they are being told that MJ died from high doses of Propovol in his system.

Neil said this is going to result in one of the largest lawsuits in this country.

imo


Maybe the next alert is going to be the arrest of one Dr. Conrad Murray.

[?WudScoobyDo]

OMG! And he was giving him all these other drugs too and then gave him the Propovol knowing he had kept pumping him full of other drugs beforehand.

imo

And then left him alone to die.

[KatieLady]

Jackson Died from Lethal Levels of Propofol

http://www.tmz.com/

[?WudScoobyDo]

When he returned, he discovered Jackson was not breathing. He performed CPR, and one of Jackson’s staff members called 911. The 50-year-old pop star was rushed to the UCLA Medical Center, where he was later declared dead. Much of the investigation has focused on propofol — a drug typically administered by anesthesiologists during surgery — and whether Murray’s decision to give it to Jackson as a sleep aid outside a hospital setting reaches a level of negligence required for an involuntary manslaughter charge

I still wonder why he didn't try to restore the breathing. Maybe he forgot how.

[GentleBreeze]

Fox News has just reported that the death has been ruled a HOMICIDE.

imo

[?WudScoobyDo]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/08/michael-jackson-died-of-lethal-levels-of-propofol-court-documents-show.html


UPDATE: Its ruled a homicide.

[?WudScoobyDo]

Fox News has just reported that the death has been ruled a HOMICIDE.

imo


Oh my... I guess the Doctor will face charges afterall.

[Unperson1984]

You are so right, the key word is SLEPT!!!! Nothing wrong with that.

Keep on living in the past.....


imo

Aren't those who repeatedly talk about the charitable things MJ did also living in the past? The last charitable thing I can recall is the broken promise he made to the victims of Katrina.

[?WudScoobyDo]

Aren't those who repeatedly talk about the charitable things MJ did also living in the past? The last charitable thing I can recall is the broken promise he made to the victims of Katrina.

Last thing I recall is the 20 percent of his estate to go to various charities.

[Ahlou]

1:30 a.m. given valium
2 a.m. given larazepam intravenously
3 a. m adminsterred midazolam
7hours 40 minutes later
10:40 a.m. adminstered propofol

Seems to me Michael got at least 7 hours sleep before the last. That's a lots of medicine given by any doctor.

[Roxxanne]

And then left him alone to die.

Oh My God!! He gave him several drugs then the propofol!!! I'm gonna be sick. You're right he left him to die!:crying:

[Firehead11]

oh my lord, I am shocked.

[Firehead11]

Last thing I recall is the 20 percent of his estate to go to various charities.

20% of the interest from the Michael Jackson Family Trust fund which is suppose to have the Sony stock in it. And the 20% is for children's charties. I thought it had been said 2 charities. But I very well could be wrong.

[cutiepatootie61]

Dr. Murray says he noticed that Jackson wasn't breathing at around 11 AM. He was then on the cell phone for 47 minutes with 3 separate calls, from 11:18 to 12:05. The 911 call came in at 12:21 PM .... a much longer delay than originally reported.


Why then wasn't this doctor arrested yet???????

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/24/jackson-died-from-lethal-levels-of-propofol/

[Firehead11]

Oh another point to be made, if these sources are true, then the Jackson family has been very tight lipped about this since they had to have known by their own autopsy report what their son, brother and uincle died from.

I respect the fact that they allowed the LE to do their job.

[CANDYKISSES]

And then left him alone to die.


Not that nice guy on the youtube video linked here last week Scooby? :ohmy: Say it ain't so....:sneaky:

Not knowing for sure how long MJ was actually getting such a night time sleep aid, I can only imagine if he was addicted to the Diprivan, that a quick withdrawal could be risky. Then add in the subsequent replacement of sedative/anti-anxiety drugs, only to be combined with the original drug after none for more than 24 hours certainly smells of malpractice and/or manslaughter when you consider him leaving MJ alone in the room. Buy HEY, that is JMO. :sad:

[CANDYKISSES]

Fox News has just reported that the death has been ruled a HOMICIDE.

imo

HLN is saying a single source LAPD confirmed such, but when they called they were met with no confirmation at the precinct per MG. JMO Coroner's office said "NO COMMENT".

[sallemae]

Aren't those who repeatedly talk about the charitable things MJ did also living in the past? The last charitable thing I can recall is the broken promise he made to the victims of Katrina.


I wasn't talking about any of that, I'm just thinking about the man, the father, the brother, the son,the friend, the musician.


But since you brought it up, I don't know why he didn't have a song for the Katrina victims, what was going on in his life, he was still getting over the ordeal of Sneddon's persecution.

I often have very good intentions, but somehow sell myself short on the ability to accomplish everything I intended to do. MJ was very human, it is possible he could have done the same thing.

It's been said he has 100's of recorded music, maybe the song for the katrina victims is with the rest of the music, we need to wait and see.


imo

[sallemae]

Michael Jackson paid millions to keep other molestation charges from coming to trial. Fact.

I wonder why, with all the money he had access to, Michael Jackson decided to settle instead of clearing his name in a court of law.


The boys father accepted millions, and refused to let the boy testify at court....that is the fact!

[?WudScoobyDo]

I wasn't talking about any of that, I'm just thinking about the man, the father, the brother, the son,the friend, the musician.


snipped

imo

And may I add humanitarian, and ambassador to the world... oh and unfortunately.. victim of homicide.

[legalmania]

Dr. Murray says he noticed that Jackson wasn't breathing at around 11 AM. He was then on the cell phone for 47 minutes with 3 separate calls, from 11:18 to 12:05. The 911 call came in at 12:21 PM .... a much longer delay than originally reported.


Why then wasn't this doctor arrested yet???????

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/24/jackson-died-from-lethal-levels-of-propofol/

They have to dot their I's and cross their T's. They don't want to have to do this twice. What's the hurry. He's not going anywhere.

[sallemae]

The keywords are LITTLE BOYS.

A sick individual is a grown man who sleeps with little boys. Not drug addiction "sick." Sick in the head "sick."

Pedophile sick.



why would you think those thoughts, sssshhhhuuuudddeerrrr:ohmy:

[?WudScoobyDo]

Aren't those who repeatedly talk about the charitable things MJ did also living in the past? The last charitable thing I can recall is the broken promise he made to the victims of Katrina.


By the way... what about the broken promises the government made to the victims of Katrina. A trip down to the 9th ward today indicates the govt promises never came about.

[Unperson1984]

I wasn't talking about any of that, I'm just thinking about the man, the father, the brother, the son,the friend, the musician.


But since you brought it up, I don't know why he didn't have a song for the Katrina victims, what was going on in his life, he was still getting over the ordeal of Sneddon's persecution.

I often have very good intentions, but somehow sell myself short on the ability to accomplish everything I intended to do. MJ was very human, it is possible he could have done the same thing.

It's been said he has 100's of recorded music, maybe the song for the katrina victims is with the rest of the music, we need to wait and see.


imo

sallemae I think his intentions were always good, I've never thought him to be an evil person.

As you point out he was very human. It just seems that some people want to place him on a pedestal that, in my opinion, he didn’t earn, nor did he deserve absolute condemnation. But I can’t ever place a drug addict, who died from an overdose, on any pedestal.

IMO

[disneyfreak]

Just found out (been apartment "shopping").

In shock...Versed and propofol and leaving Jackson alone. I hope they bust this doctor and he gets the longest sentence possible.:flamemad:

[Unperson1984]

By the way... what about the broken promises the government made to the victims of Katrina. A trip down to the 9th ward today indicates the govt promises never came about.

I don't think we should blame MJ for that...do you?

[daniel green]

And may I add humanitarian, and ambassador to the world... oh and unfortunately.. victim of homicide.

I so wish you would post that long list of alleged good deeds again.

[legalmania]

Just found out (been apartment "shopping").

In shock...Versed and propofol and leaving Jackson alone. I hope they bust this doctor and he gets the longest sentence possible.:flamemad:

Even though it was the doctor who administered the drugs, we have to blame Michael also. He was told by many people how dangerous these drugs could be. I realize he suffered from insomnia but he was taking way to much of everything. There are very powerful sedatives he could have taken to sleep with safely.

[sallemae]

Just one more point. Would you tell your children or grandchildren to aspire to have the life that MJ led?


Do you think all of MJ's life was bad?

If only we really lived in a perfect world?

[legalmania]

I don't think we should blame MJ for that...do you?

He may have had something planned, nobody knows. Michael did more than his fare share of bringing awareness to poverty stricken places.

[sallemae]

I would say the DA chose not to charge him. The DA has the right to charge or not charge. I'd say Mr Jackson was lucky.

in my opinion


How many millions of $ was spent by the DA for the first MJ's trial ?

[sallemae]

I don't think we should blame MJ for that...do you?


Now you know, that some here would:unsure:

[?WudScoobyDo]

I so wish you would post that long list of alleged good deeds again.


What for? Its common knowledge. Its not worth my time to post it again, only for it to be deleted. Besides I think your motive in asking is not a desire to gain knowledge, but rather bait and harass.

imo...of course.

[sallemae]

I so wish you would post that long list of alleged good deeds again.


Google it, it's all there:tonguewag:

[?WudScoobyDo]

How many millions of $ was spent by the DA for the first MJ's trial ?


Unlimited amounts of taxpayer money and resources.

[?WudScoobyDo]

I don't think we should blame MJ for that...do you?


Of course not. Nor should we blame him to pay for something that wasn't his responsibility to do so.

[sallemae]

sallemae I think his intentions were always good, I've never thought him to be an evil person.

As you point out he was very human. It just seems that some people want to place him on a pedestal that, in my opinion, he didn’t earn, nor did he deserve absolute condemnation. But I can’t ever place a drug addict, who died from an overdose, on any pedestal.

IMO


My husbands swears I'm addicted to message boards......just like a drug...he often is very frustrated with me..... but there was breaking news on the MJ case!

No pedestal, but no condemnation either, just a man, with many faults, trying to find happiness.

[legalmania]

My husbands swears I'm addicted to message boards......just like a drug...he often is very frustrated with me..... but there was breaking news on the MJ case!

No pedestal, but no condemnation either, just a man, with many faults, trying to find happiness.

It was breaking news? I had no idea, the story is just being told on nbc.

[legalmania]

My husbands swears I'm addicted to message boards......just like a drug...he often is very frustrated with me..... but there was breaking news on the MJ case!

No pedestal, but no condemnation either, just a man, with many faults, trying to find happiness.

Do you wake up with the shakes? Do you miss work or when you're at work do you sneak on the message board? If yes maybe you should go to message board anonymous.

[?WudScoobyDo]

Do you wake up with the shakes? Do you miss work or when you're at work do you sneak on the message board? If yes maybe you should go to message board anonymous.


Maybe she can hire a webmaster at $150,000.00 a month to put her out of her misery.
:rolleyes:

[sallemae]

Do you wake up with the shakes? Do you miss work or when you're at work do you sneak on the message board? If yes maybe you should go to message board anonymous.

I haven't been away from the message board long enough to have the shakes, but I miss work, don't do the dishes, my plants don't get watered, had to pay someone to do the laundry and dinner is peanut butter and jelly again.......

do you have a link for message board anonymous?



:glare:

[sallemae]

Maybe she can hire a webmaster at $150,000.00 a month to put her out of her misery.
:rolleyes:

Hey, I'm not that miserable:w00t:

[Rayosunshine]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/08/michael-jackson-died-of-lethal-levels-of-propofol-court-documents-show.html


UPDATE: Its ruled a homicide.

Good God! This makes me absolutely sick. Dr. Murray is a monster. Not that Michael Jackson meant anything to me, but he was a living, breathing human being and no matter what or where he came from his life was of value.

Is an arrest imminent? Or will Dr. Murray skip right through the system , as a G.O.D. (good old doc)?

There are many, many reckless medical professionals practicing in this day and age, I know many of them, but I keep my distance.

[sallemae]

It was breaking news? I had no idea, the story is just being told on nbc.


It's what I told my husband, I'm consitant in what I say.

[disneyfreak]

Even though it was the doctor who administered the drugs, we have to blame Michael also. He was told by many people how dangerous these drugs could be. I realize he suffered from insomnia but he was taking way to much of everything. There are very powerful sedatives he could have taken to sleep with safely.
I totally agree 110%. However, just because MJ is partially responsible does not take away any responsibility from the licensed physician.

[disneyfreak]

My husbands swears I'm addicted to message boards......just like a drug...he often is very frustrated with me..... but there was breaking news on the MJ case!


LOL. My roomie who doesn't care much about the MJ case, but knows I do. She is feeding me info as she finds it. "Did you find out about the AOL email accounts MJ may have used to procure drugs" etc...

I consider myself very lucky to have someone who understands my addiction!

[sallemae]

LOL. My roomie who doesn't care much about the MJ case, but knows I do. She is feeding me info as she finds it. "Did you find out about the AOL email accounts MJ may have used to procure drugs" etc...

I consider myself very lucky to have someone who understands my addiction!


I am very lucky with that man of mine.

[Cindylee]

From the TMZ link. WWW.TMZ.COM

"As we first reported, cops found 8 bottles of Propofol in Jackson's
house after he died, but they do not know where it was purchased.

Cops also found Valium, Tamsulosin, Lorazepam, Temazepam, Clonazepam, Trazodone and Tizanidine, along with the Propofol.

The various drugs were prescribed by Dr. Murray, Dr. Arnold Klein and Dr. Allan Metzger."

That is a whole bunch of drugs. :ohmy: And Dr. Klein and Metzger have some answering to do too. IMO

[Cindylee]

TMZ:

"Dr. Arnold Klein, Michael Jackson's friend and doctor, wrote dozens of prescriptions for powerful controlled substances for himself, according to a search warrant obtained by TMZ.

dr. arnold klein

We got hold of the affidavit for the search warrant that allowed the DEA to raid Mickey Fine Pharmacy in Beverly Hills -- the pharmacy Dr. Klein often used to fill prescriptions for Michael Jackson, often using aliases.

According to the affidavit, records show Dr. Klein self-prescribed 27 times from March, 2006 through May, 2009. The prescriptions include "the medications hydrocodone (Vicodin), modafinil (Provigil), diazepam (Valium), and injectable midazolam (Versed). The prescriptions were filled at Mickey Fine Pharmacy in Beverly Hills.

According to California law, "No person shall prescribe, administer, or furnish a controlled substance for himself."

It is not known if Dr. Klein used the prescriptions for himself or possibly for Michael Jackson. We do know Dr. Klein often prescribed to Jackson using various aliases.

Interestingly, the affidavit states Dr. Klein's lawyer told the DEA that his client "has never self-prescribed."

[daniel green]

Cindy and LaundryQueen--I am going step by step over the warrant leaked today in the other thread.

[?WudScoobyDo]

Cindy and LaundryQueen--I am going step by step over the warrant leaked today in the other thread.


Is a leak the same thing as being released by the Texas authorities?

[?WudScoobyDo]

No links from the link thread have been deleted. Some posts were due to poster infraction.


Thank you. Thats the way I understood it as well.

[Cindylee]

Cindy and LaundryQueen--I am going step by step over the warrant leaked today in the other thread.

Read pages 9 through 11. Wow, is all I can say right now.

[daniel green]

LQ--some amazing stuff in this warrant. WOW.

I am breaking it down on the homicide thread--would you pls let me know if I am missing something?

TIA

[legalmania]

I haven't been away from the message board long enough to have the shakes, but I miss work, don't do the dishes, my plants don't get watered, had to pay someone to do the laundry and dinner is peanut butter and jelly again.......

do you have a link for message board anonymous?



:glare:

Actually you are the first to admit you have a problem I'm sure there are others. I think your o.k so far no shakes, and it doesn't seem to be a problem with your job. Let us know if it get worse. Hang in there sallemae you have lots of people pulling for you

[Cindylee]

Actually you are the first to admit you have a problem I'm sure there are others. I think your o.k so far no shakes, and it doesn't seem to be a problem with your job. Let us know if it get worse. Hang in there sallemae you have lots of people pulling for you

:lol: funny.

[legalmania]

This is still a terrible tragedy. Michael I hope you are in peace. Your music will live on forever and your legacy will never die. This song is dedicated to you

----------------
Now playing: Michael Jackson - Gone Too Soon (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/michael_jackson/track/gone_too_soon)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

[Cindylee]

This must be the big Jackson's announcement today:


Jackson Tribute -- The Show Will Go On

Posted Aug 24th 2009 3:03PM by TMZ Staff

Michael JacksonTMZ has learned Michael Jackson's former manager Ron Weisner has been asked by Jermaine and Katherine Jackson to produce "Michael Jackson: The Tribute" in Vienna Austria on September 26.

Weisner tells TMZ he expects 100,000 people to attend. It will become a TV show. Weisner says he's reached out to some of the biggest stars in the world to perform ... no word yet on who's doing it.

It looked like the show wasn't happening because of a split in the Jackson family, but Weisner says Katherine is now on board and the show will go on.

Katherine released a statement about the tribute show, CLICK HERE to read it.

[legalmania]

This must be the big Jackson's announcement today:


Jackson Tribute -- The Show Will Go On

Posted Aug 24th 2009 3:03PM by TMZ Staff

Michael JacksonTMZ has learned Michael Jackson's former manager Ron Weisner has been asked by Jermaine and Katherine Jackson to produce "Michael Jackson: The Tribute" in Vienna Austria on September 26.

Weisner tells TMZ he expects 100,000 people to attend. It will become a TV show. Weisner says he's reached out to some of the biggest stars in the world to perform ... no word yet on who's doing it.

It looked like the show wasn't happening because of a split in the Jackson family, but Weisner says Katherine is now on board and the show will go on.

Katherine released a statement about the tribute show, CLICK HERE to read it.

I think it's to soon. They should wait at least a year, or at least until he is in his final resting place. I don't know if the public is ready to celebrate yet. Only time will tell.

[BOZGAL2]

Oh another point to be made, if these sources are true, then the Jackson family has been very tight lipped about this since they had to have known by their own autopsy report what their son, brother and uincle died from.

I respect the fact that they allowed the LE to do their job.

I respect them too. They have known what happened in this preventable and unnecessary death.
My hear breaks for his children. :crying:

[Cindylee]

I think it's to soon. They should wait at least a year, or at least until he is in his final resting place. I don't know if the public is ready to celebrate yet. Only time will tell.

I think they ought to bury him first also. But, as they say, times a wasting. I don't think much of the Jackson's.

[Cindylee]

I think it is their loved one who is dead, and their call as to when and how to deal with the remains. And I seriously doubt your disapproval of the Jacksons will factor into their decision.

LOL I doubt it too. But, as this is an opinion board, I am stating my opinion.

[Unperson1984]

I think they ought to bury him first also. But, as they say, times a wasting. I don't think much of the Jackson's.

Did they mention where the proceeds from the concert will go?

[Cindylee]

Did they mention where the proceeds from the concert will go?

Hahahaha not a word. I can guess.

[daniel green]

This must be the big Jackson's announcement today:


Jackson Tribute -- The Show Will Go On

Posted Aug 24th 2009 3:03PM by TMZ Staff

Michael JacksonTMZ has learned Michael Jackson's former manager Ron Weisner has been asked by Jermaine and Katherine Jackson to produce "Michael Jackson: The Tribute" in Vienna Austria on September 26.

Weisner tells TMZ he expects 100,000 people to attend. It will become a TV show. Weisner says he's reached out to some of the biggest stars in the world to perform ... no word yet on who's doing it.

It looked like the show wasn't happening because of a split in the Jackson family, but Weisner says Katherine is now on board and the show will go on.

Katherine released a statement about the tribute show, CLICK HERE to read it.

We shoulda known. Blech.

[LadyBlue]

Poor Michael. Even if he did have drug problems, the doc should have been professional and helped him. Disgusting. I'm glad someone is being held culpable. :cursing:

[Cindylee]

We shoulda known. Blech.

Yeah, go figure. We all have priorities, I guess. I wonder if all of the Jackson's will attend? Oh but wait, school is going to start soon.

[sallemae]

So what do you think of his "sharing a bed" with a child...in his bedroom ...full of drugs & alcohol, and pornography?

Is that what you call wholesome ? Is that what you teach your children? That's normal to you?

Who knows what he convinced his children to think is "normal"

The man was mentally ill. imo

How many times does a person have to be accused before they get a clue?


Which child shared the bed, with the alcohol and drugs and pornography?

I believe there is some exageration, and maybe some of the new reports are being blended here. Notice "news reports".

MJ had art books of nude people, and some said it was porn?

I've never thought of MJ as mentally ill.........:confused:

[sallemae]

I am sickened, appalled, deeply disturbed and disappointed that you would continue to blame any alleged child victim of sexual assault and imply they are too old to be a victim.

DISGUSTING!


I don't get your reaction, to "how old were they" why not just answer the question?
The poster never said or implied anything that you wrote.

:confused:

[sallemae]

Street wise? The kid spent over a year dying from cancer and undergoing surgerys and chemo. Yeah he's a real thug...huge eyeroll.


he spent over a year dying, ??????

then he spent a year giving false allegations about MJ.

[daniel green]

JMO

The changes were normal to MJ's children.

In several interviews, MJ indicated the most important quality in the surrogates was intelligence. Those children were lucky enough to have as well the diverse education of travel and culture.

Not being snarky, honest question here--what culture? :confused:

[daniel green]

And may I add humanitarian, and ambassador to the world... oh and unfortunately.. victim of homicide.

Ambassador to the world.

Oh, my gosh.

[Cindylee]

From TMZ
Michael Jackson -- Very Cash Poor

Posted Aug 25th 2009 2:00AM by TMZ Staff

TMZ has reviewed financial documents that show MIchael Jackson's cash flow was in the red zone. Jackson's liquid cash totaled .05% of his net worth.

According to the documents obtained by TMZ, Jackson's net worth was estimated at $1,360,839,979 on July 31, 2007. It's a fortune, to be sure ... but of that $1,150,000,000 is the Sony-ATV Publishing Trust (Beatles Catalog).

As for cold, hard "Cash in Bank" -- $668,215. Jackson could blow through that amount in a trip or two to the antique store.

The other assets:

-- Real property $73,475,000 (Neverland valued at $66,875,000, Encino Home valued at $6,600,000)
-- Restricted cash $10,696,764 (this is a cash reserve to pay interest on loans)
-- Media Archival materials $20,000,000
-- MJ Publishing Trust $85,000,000
-- Professional equipment $1,000,000
-- Automobiles, antiques, collectibles & other personal property $20,000,000

Combined assets total $1,360,839,979.

As for liabilities, the big ticket item is Neverland -- $323,000,000. The description "Notes payable to Fortress are collateralized by Mr. Jackson's interest in the Sony-ATV Publishing Trust and a partial security interest in the Los Olivos, California (Neverland) property. Additionally, as of March 31, 2007, the bank holds restricted cash in the approximate amount of $7,803,621. With other liabilities, the sum comes to $331,000,000."

Jackson's bottom line net worth was listed at $1,360,839,979. But the cash flow is pretty stunning.

[sallemae]

From TMZ
Michael Jackson -- Very Cash Poor

Posted Aug 25th 2009 2:00AM by TMZ Staff

TMZ has reviewed financial documents that show MIchael Jackson's cash flow was in the red zone. Jackson's liquid cash totaled .05% of his net worth.

According to the documents obtained by TMZ, Jackson's net worth was estimated at $1,360,839,979 on July 31, 2007. It's a fortune, to be sure ... but of that $1,150,000,000 is the Sony-ATV Publishing Trust (Beatles Catalog).

As for cold, hard "Cash in Bank" -- $668,215. Jackson could blow through that amount in a trip or two to the antique store.

The other assets:

-- Real property $73,475,000 (Neverland valued at $66,875,000, Encino Home valued at $6,600,000)
-- Restricted cash $10,696,764 (this is a cash reserve to pay interest on loans)
-- Media Archival materials $20,000,000
-- MJ Publishing Trust $85,000,000
-- Professional equipment $1,000,000
-- Automobiles, antiques, collectibles & other personal property $20,000,000

Combined assets total $1,360,839,979.

As for liabilities, the big ticket item is Neverland -- $323,000,000. The description "Notes payable to Fortress are collateralized by Mr. Jackson's interest in the Sony-ATV Publishing Trust and a partial security interest in the Los Olivos, California (Neverland) property. Additionally, as of March 31, 2007, the bank holds restricted cash in the approximate amount of $7,803,621. With other liabilities, the sum comes to $331,000,000."

Jackson's bottom line net worth was listed at $1,360,839,979. But the cash flow is pretty stunning.


This info is from 2007???
How accurate is this info? Wasn't someone holding $5 plus million in cash?

The picture has changed drastically since he passed. MJ sells.

[sallemae]

Yes, Dr. Tohme was holding the 5 million. I agree things have changed. I wonder if it is possible that the Jackson family is right in thinking this was an intentional murder, done for financial gain.


So unfortunate that his death has created his greatest comeback.

:sad: