8/22, 8/23

[Fool Me Once]

OK People! There are Anthony things to discuss here! Wake up! Just cause it is Saturday - there is no rest for the weary! :bored: I am starting to get a complex...

[Barbara fl.]

Good morning everyone,

Can anyone shed some light as to why NG is not covering this case....She is my only source (other then this message board) to get info from...

[Sun]

Good morning everyone,

Can anyone shed some light as to why NG is not covering this case....She is my only source (other then this message board) to get info from...

Good morning Barbara! If you get the Weedend Today show on NBC, tune in this moring. LP's nephew may be on between 7:30 to 8:00...or so I'm told.

[desmom]

In JB's post hearing comments http://www.wftv.com/video/20494617/index.html he said, "From what I understand people were saying those photos show the area was wet in November. I think everyone saw the Dominic Casey video. It is clear it was not wet. Who you going to believe me or your own eyes." (clock 2:25/4:05)

JB and the Team must have missed this news report from FOX news: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZRTi3AVEaU

Holly Bristow reported Dominic Casey told her he searched 150-200 feet down the road from where Caylee was found.

jmo

Sorry to quote myself.

Gale St. John did a blind drive on or around August 11, 2008. The wooded area was under water per their video tape. The video also shows how dense the foliage was in August. IMO, someone could have been standing next to Caylee's remains and not have noticed.

(it is around the 6:00 mark on the clock) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6142164224455400485

ETA ~ In Keith Williams interview, he said he was also there in August. After reading his interview, IMO, he never ventured very far into the woods on that side of the road. He also mentioned he did not smell anything. I think Caylee was placed there the week of June 16, 2008. Almost 2 months of exposure to the elements and scavengers, there would not have been anything left to smell. jmo

[aproudmom]

:ohmy:wow just saw KC hearing boy she does not look so well...darn ...NOT...JMO she needs to show momma some attention so she can get some new clothes that fit

[desmom]

:ohmy:wow just saw KC hearing boy she does not look so well...darn ...NOT...JMO she needs to show momma some attention so she can get some new clothes that fit

I don't think the clothing would have looked so bad if someone would have taken an iron to the darn things before they were delivered to Casey. It looked like she had slept in her clothing. jmo

[aproudmom]

Good morning everyone,

Can anyone shed some light as to why NG is not covering this case....She is my only source (other then this message board) to get info from...

because she cant do it all alone..someone needs to scream at GVS and Geraldo JVM MG HLN..to many cases for one show I guess plus alot of people were getting mad at her for only covering this case..I saw a bunch were complaining and email about it...then it seemed she backed off the cases even before MJ death some what anyway:shrug:

[Sun]

Sorry to quote myself.

Gale St. John did a blind drive on or around August 11, 2008. The wooded area was under water per their video tape. The video also shows how dense the foliage was in August. IMO, someone could have been standing next to Caylee's remains and not have noticed.

(it is around the 6:00 mark on the clock) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6142164224455400485

ETA ~ In Keith Williams interview, he said he was also there in August. After reading his interview, IMO, he never ventured very far into the woods on that side of the road. He also mentioned he did not smell anything. I think Caylee was placed there the week of June 16, 2008. Almost 2 months of exposure to the elements and scavengers, there would not have been anything left to smell. jmo

Good morning desmom, Caylee's body appeared to have been scattered by animals perhaps no more than two weeks after she was dumped there. Given the conditions, skeletonization would have occured even before she was "reported missing." Exposed to the air, rain, etc., it's likely that a human nose could not have detected the memorable odor of decomp by the time that anyone was searching. (unlike fluids that had been protected/closed up in the trunk of a car....which may forever smell). And, that area was swampy and likely had an swampy odor anyway. JMO, but the State is going to be able to convince a Jury on this point.

[Sun]

You don't suppose that the defense is wanting the entire list of searchers from TM, so that he can exclude everyone from the list from sitting on the Jury?

NBC weekend today.... chatting about Casey right now! or in a few minutes.

[aproudmom]

I don't think the clothing would have looked so bad if someone would have taken an iron to the darn things before they were delivered to Casey. It looked like she had slept in her clothing. jmo

yep guess that could be true...I was just happy to see her not so chipper as she usually is...act or not it made me feel a little better...she looked like a prisoner instead of a wanna be model/teacher/secretary/...jmo

[Julie Dupree]

Good Morning Everyone,

Sun, our NBC channel is doing local news this morning:(...will need you to tell me what he says...please.

I am still trying to catch up on what all happened yesterday. But I think you are very much correct in saying if the name is on the list, they do not want them on the jury. And, I must add, this makes perfect sense. As much as I hate giving them credit for actually doing something that I did agree with, this is one of those times.

[Julie Dupree]

yep guess that could be true...I was just happy to see her not so chipper as she usually is...act or not it made me feel a little better...she looked like a prisoner instead of a wanna be model/teacher/secretary/...jmo

I cant do it, but I bet if you could put a picture of her in the little blue hoodie she wore when she was arrested and a picture of her yesterday you would get a very good idea of what confinement has done to and for her. I think the difference is remarkable.

[aproudmom]

Jumping in here.. This family has NEVER IMO ever acted like the had a missing child.. They have never acted like Caylee was anything more to them then a stranger off the street. The only time they act like that Caylee was ever their grandchild is when they try to get out of depos, trying to stop evidence released against casey...when they are selling interviews,pictures or videos,, When they are begging for DONATIONS.. I have been on both side of this fence .. My daughter was missing for 8 very long days.. I KNOW how I was.. It was nothing like these people have ever acted.. I've also buried 3 of my children... I have a huge family and never seen any one ever act like the A's.. nor have I seen any friends act like them after losing a LOVED ONE. NO ONE I know would leave their precious loved one LAY in a MORGUE for MONTHS either. then expect someone else to pay for the funeral expenses...Then get up there and make it all about someone else instead of the loved one who was murdered they made it all about the murder... Imo Caylee was not loved by these people..she was an inconvenience.. Now they use her to make money to support them .. ITS sickening..

NO they dont consider Caylee as a loss they consider casey as the loss.. they Dont grieve for Caylee the Little girl that was murdered by her own mom they grieve for casey the murderer..

sorry but this is how I feel.. I never seen any tears for Caylee but I damn sure have seen plenty for casey.
I've seen a lot of , cleaning up and destroying evidence lying to FBI and LE giving wrong evidence to FBI..covering, lying, all for casey..hot tempers when it comes to saying anything about casey Where's the GRIEVING for this MURDERED BabY.?

I got to agree with you on this one gert:thumbup:

[Sun]

Good Morning Everyone,

Sun, our NBC channel is doing local news this morning:(...will need you to tell me what he says...please.

I am still trying to catch up on what all happened yesterday. But I think you are very much correct in saying if the name is on the list, they do not want them on the jury. And, I must add, this makes perfect sense. As much as I hate giving them credit for actually doing something that I did agree with, this is one of those times.

Tony Padilla was on, and said that he didn't like how the defense was saying that he (the bailbond's man), was any part of the defense team. He said that was NOT true, period. NBC's legal anaylst gave a quick recap of what most of us here have concluded. "that even if the defense can somehow establish that someone else dumped the body there, it does not prove Casey's innocence." The slant of the broadcast seemed to be very, very fair... according to the facts of the case against Casey. Definately not a "casey is innocent" piece.

I think that I tried to tune out the part about when TP said something about Casey being a nice girl. But, seems like he was only inside that house for about 2 hours when she first came home. He said she was very emotional, that it was a very emotional atmosphere, or something like that.

I imagine that a youtube video will be available shortly, so you'll all get a chance to see it.

[aproudmom]

I cant do it, but I bet if you could put a picture of her in the little blue hoodie she wore when she was arrested and a picture of her yesterday you would get a very good idea of what confinement has done to and for her. I think the difference is remarkable.

OMG I was in shock she in no way looks GOOD she looked like crap hum wonder if I can find one dang thanks now I want to go search for a side by side picture of Monster Mom..:biggrin:

[desmom]

Good morning desmom, Caylee's body appeared to have been scattered by animals perhaps no more than two weeks after she was dumped there. Given the conditions, skeletonization would have occured even before she was "reported missing." Exposed to the air, rain, etc., it's likely that a human nose could not have detected the memorable odor of decomp by the time that anyone was searching. (unlike fluids that had been protected/closed up in the trunk of a car....which may forever smell). And, that area was swampy and likely had an swampy odor anyway. JMO, but the State is going to be able to convince a Jury on this point.

Yep, I agree. I think the defense may try to run with this idea, but I think they will also try to throw someone under the bus.

Scampi posted yesterday ( http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13387318&highlight=JVM#post13387318 ) Jayne Weintraub said on JVM last night it was Anthony Lazarro who looked up chloroform on Casey's computer. Throw in the defense wanting Tone's phone records. Could Tone be their "whodidit" candidate?

Where did Jayne get the idea it was Tone that looked up chloroform on Casey's computer? If she got the boyfriend's names mixed up and was thinking Ricardo, IIRC, Ricardo said he was there once. Defense Scenario: Ricardo went to the A's house with Casey, searched chloroform on the A's desktop in March 2008, waited until June 2008 to kidnap and murder Caylee. :lol: That wouldn't even fly in a cheap mystery novel.

jmo

[Julie Dupree]

Tony Padilla was on, and said that he didn't like how the defense was saying that he (the bailbond's man), was any part of the defense team. He said that was NOT true, period. NBC's legal anaylst gave a quick recap of what most of us here have concluded. "that even if the defense can somehow establish that someone else dumped the body there, it does not prove Casey's innocence." The slant of the broadcast seemed to be very, very fair... according to the facts of the case against Casey. Definately not a "casey is innocent" piece.

I think that I tried to tune out the part about when TP said something about Casey being a nice girl. But, seems like he was only inside that house for about 2 hours when she first came home. He said she was very emotional, that it was a very emotional atmosphere, or something like that.

I imagine that a youtube video will be available shortly, so you'll all get a chance to see it.

Thanks so much Sun...:) I really appreciate you doing this for me.
I can not understand why they are jumping on someone putting the body there after Casey was arrested. That does not say anything about who did, or did not, kill Caylee. Or am I missing something here?

[Sun]

OMG I was in shock she in no way looks GOOD she looked like crap hum wonder if I can find one dang thanks now I want to go search for a side by side picture of Monster Mom..:biggrin:

Solitary confinement is going to take a toll on anyone, physically and mentally. Isolation and boredom are two words that come to mind. Casey was in attire that seemed to be carefully chosen to minimize her, ummm, womanly features. The lack of makeup further added to this picture. IMO, it was intentional, and not an idea of Casey's.

[Julie Dupree]

Yep, I agree. I think the defense may try to run with this idea, but I think they will also try to throw someone under the bus.

Scampi posted yesterday ( http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13387318&highlight=JVM#post13387318 ) Jayne Weintraub said on JVM last night it was Anthony Lazarro who looked up chloroform on Casey's computer. Throw in the defense wanting Tone's phone records. Could Tone be their "whodidit" candidate?

Where did Jayne get the idea it was Tone that looked up chloroform on Casey's computer? If she got the boyfriend's names mixed up and was thinking Ricardo, IIRC, Ricardo said he was there once. Defense Scenario: Ricardo went to the A's house with Casey, searched chloroform on the A's desktop in March 2008, waited until June 2008 to kidnap and murder Caylee. :lol: That wouldn't even fly in a cheap mystery novel.

jmo

I wondered why the defense wanted to know if Tony had been in the area during this time. Lets say for the sake of argument, the phone pings do show he was within range of the towers in the area, how will they prove he was in any way connected to Caylee, or her body?

[desmom]

Tony Padilla was on, and said that he didn't like how the defense was saying that he (the bailbond's man), was any part of the defense team. He said that was NOT true, period. NBC's legal anaylst gave a quick recap of what most of us here have concluded. "that even if the defense can somehow establish that someone else dumped the body there, it does not prove Casey's innocence." The slant of the broadcast seemed to be very, very fair... according to the facts of the case against Casey. Definately not a "casey is innocent" piece.

I think that I tried to tune out the part about when TP said something about Casey being a nice girl. But, seems like he was only inside that house for about 2 hours when she first came home. He said she was very emotional, that it was a very emotional atmosphere, or something like that.

I imagine that a youtube video will be available shortly, so you'll all get a chance to see it.

bolding mine....

I bet Casey was emotional. She had spent a month in jail. She had a little taste of where she would be spending the rest of her life. Even though she was in protective custody, I am sure she heard a few passing comments from her "neighbors". I bet that slap of reality was scary.

jmo

[Julie Dupree]

OMG I was in shock she in no way looks GOOD she looked like crap hum wonder if I can find one dang thanks now I want to go search for a side by side picture of Monster Mom..:biggrin:

;) I knew some genius would probably be able to do it.
Thanks...can't wait to see it.

[Sun]

Yep, I agree. I think the defense may try to run with this idea, but I think they will also try to throw someone under the bus.

Scampi posted yesterday ( http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13387318&highlight=JVM#post13387318 ) Jayne Weintraub said on JVM last night it was Anthony Lazarro who looked up chloroform on Casey's computer. Throw in the defense wanting Tone's phone records. Could Tone be their "whodidit" candidate?

Where did Jayne get the idea it was Tone that looked up chloroform on Casey's computer? If she got the boyfriend's names mixed up and was thinking Ricardo, IIRC, Ricardo said he was there once. Defense Scenario: Ricardo went to the A's house with Casey, searched chloroform on the A's desktop in March 2008, waited until June 2008 to kidnap and murder Caylee. :lol: That wouldn't even fly in a cheap mystery novel.

jmo

Jayne was wrong.... got Casey's boyfriends mixed up. That's understandable, I suppose, but not excuseable if she is being paid for her appearance on the show. However, Jayne is on that show for one reason, to provide drama. Unfortunately, she mostly doesn't make any sense when trying to be on "that side" of an argument. Much like the whole defense of Casey's.

[Julie Dupree]

Solitary confinement is going to take a toll on anyone, physically and mentally. Isolation and boredom are two words that come to mind. Casey was in attire that seemed to be carefully chosen to minimize her, ummm, womanly features. The lack of makeup further added to this picture. IMO, it was intentional, and not an idea of Casey's.

What a difference a year makes...:) I wonder if she feels she has a beautiful life now.

[Sun]

bolding mine....

I bet Casey was emotional. She had spent a month in jail. She had a little taste of where she would be spending the rest of her life. Even though she was in protective custody, I am sure she heard a few passing comments from her "neighbors". I bet that slap of reality was scary.

jmo

I guess what I hated most about her being "out" was the opportunity for all the Anthonys to get together in secret to plan out which story they were going to stick with. I also feared that good citizens (or protestors) might end up being another casualty of the Anthonys. And, I hated it for all the other homeowners in that neighborhood.

[Julie Dupree]

Jayne was wrong.... got Casey's boyfriends mixed up. That's understandable, I suppose, but not excuseable if she is being paid for her appearance on the show. However, Jayne is on that show for one reason, to provide drama. Unfortunately, she mostly doesn't make any sense when trying to be on "that side" of an argument. Much like the whole defense of Casey's.

Guess I am going to have to watch that show to know who this Jayne is. I ask last night but the only response I got was I didnt want to know. :) That only made it more integreing.

[msgatorslayer]

G'morning everyone!

I still say, no matter what, Casey is the one who said ZFG, a nanny, took her child. Even though she didn't have a job nor a need for a nanny. She lied. It was proven she lied.

I think no matter what type of reasonable doubt the defense tries to put out there, the jury will be pointed back to the basic 'facts'. A mother that never reported her child missing. One who went clubbing and on a shopping spree with stolen funds. One who evaded her family for 31 days.

IMO, if push comes to shove, and the defense wants to go with 'someone' besides Casey tossed Caylee's body in the woods, the only practical people who could have done such a thing are Casey's own family. Which she would have had a hand in by telling them where to find the body.

[Neffy]

Solitary confinement is going to take a toll on anyone, physically and mentally. Isolation and boredom are two words that come to mind. Casey was in attire that seemed to be carefully chosen to minimize her, ummm, womanly features. The lack of makeup further added to this picture. IMO, it was intentional, and not an idea of Casey's.

Certainly it was intentional right down to her demeanor. She went like looking and acting like she hadn't a care in the world and acted in court like she was one of the lawyers on the defense team to carrying the weight of the world on her shoulders suffering an extreme loss and wrongly convicted. Lyons is good.

Where's LKB?

[Julie Dupree]

bolding mine....

I bet Casey was emotional. She had spent a month in jail. She had a little taste of where she would be spending the rest of her life. Even though she was in protective custody, I am sure she heard a few passing comments from her "neighbors". I bet that slap of reality was scary.

jmo

I wonder if deep down where Casey lives with Casey if she ever regrets what she did?

[msgatorslayer]

What a difference a year makes...:) I wonder if she feels she has a beautiful life now.

I was watching the video lastnight of George testifying and Mr. Gator looked over and mentioned how Casey sure doesn't look like the smug, spoiled brat we've seen in the past.

It looks like she lost a little bit of weight since the last court appearance. Or maybe it was clothing last time that was to small for her which made her look so huge.

IMO, it's taken this long, but it has finally sunk into her head that she's not going anywhere. This is not a game. This is very serious.

[aproudmom]

this pretty much looks like one of the shirts she wore during a hearing cause I kept waiting for one of the buttons to pop off and hit the judge in the head.:wink:..sorry to tell her though and the Anthonys she was never a 10 either...JMO
http://glosslip.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/caseyblue.jpg

[Neffy]

G'morning everyone!

I still say, no matter what, Casey is the one who said ZFG, a nanny, took her child. Even though she didn't have a job nor a need for a nanny. She lied. It was proven she lied.

I think no matter what type of reasonable doubt the defense tries to put out there, the jury will be pointed back to the basic 'facts'. A mother that never reported her child missing. One who went clubbing and on a shopping spree with stolen funds. One who evaded her family for 31 days.

IMO, if push comes to shove, and the defense wants to go with 'someone' besides Casey tossed Caylee's body in the woods, the only practical people who could have done such a thing are Casey's own family. Which she would have had a hand in by telling them where to find the body.

ITA! Casey came up with an imaginary person to have committed this and locked herself in. She's going to have to put a real person with real name and implicate a friend or family member as being Zanny for this to float even a little bit.

Problem is that this will be a vicious circle. Baez will have to do some investigative work to find out who they can finger and who doesn't have an alibi for certain dates or times. He won't find one that fits it all.

[Julie Dupree]

Certainly it was intentional right down to her demeanor. She went like looking and acting like she hadn't a care in the world and acted in court like she was one of the lawyers on the defense team to carrying the weight of the world on her shoulders suffering an extreme loss and wrongly convicted. Lyons is good.

Where's LKB?

Lyons is not the only good lawyer in this case....I think Linda Drane-Burdock did a very good job questioning GA yesterday. I think this lady will be able to hold her own during this circus performance.

BTW...interesting letter from Mark NeJames..if you have not read it.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-08/48763738.pdf

[Julie Dupree]

I was watching the video lastnight of George testifying and Mr. Gator looked over and mentioned how Casey sure doesn't look like the smug, spoiled brat we've seen in the past.

It looks like she lost a little bit of weight since the last court appearance. Or maybe it was clothing last time that was to small for her which made her look so huge.

IMO, it's taken this long, but it has finally sunk into her head that she's not going anywhere. This is not a game. This is very serious.

Mr Gator is right. She is not the same person that high fived her brother:) She is still several pounds heavier than she was when this picture was taken. If she were to try to wear this top now, she would not be able to even button it.
It is not so much the clothes that is different with her, it is every thing about her. Even her face has changed.

[Sun]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWhFeHz5aRI

Here you go Julie... the video from this morning with Tony Padilla.

[msgatorslayer]

Lyons is not the only good lawyer in this case....I think Linda Drane-Burdock did a very good job questioning GA yesterday. I think this lady will be able to hold her own during this circus performance.

BTW...interesting letter from Mark NeJames..if you have not read it.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-08/48763738.pdf

Not only does Tim Miller have those pics showing the flood conditions there are people who live in the area that can testify that it had been flooded up until, IIRC, a week or two prior to the remains being found.

I recall one such neighbor being interviewed while the crime scene was being worked.

[Sun]

Not only does Tim Miller have those pics showing the flood conditions there are people who live in the area that can testify that it had been flooded up until, IIRC, a week or two prior to the remains being found.

I recall one such neighbor being interviewed while the crime scene was being worked.

I recall listening to that same young man being interviewed. IIRC, he lived on the other side of Suburban Drive, but down just a bit from the site where Caylee's remains were found.

[courtsinsession]

Mr Gator is right. She is not the same person that high fived her brother:) She is still several pounds heavier than she was when this picture was taken. If she were to try to wear this top now, she would not be able to even button it.
It is not so much the clothes that is different with her, it is every thing about her. Even her face has changed.

It does my heart well to see her look like crap since so much of her life was based on her "cuteness" and her party life; she looks heavy; her face looks pasty, her hair is oily and her face looks much different then it did a year ago. She doesn't look pretty or cute any longer; The longer she stays in jail and rots, can't be long enough. For Casey, losing her looks and figure is punishment in itself.

[farrahrani]

Greetings from the land of su**y dial up, lol. :tongueside:

Having missed the hearing yesterday, I was feeling very discouraged in not being able to view it on my pc, because dial-up is not streaming video friendly. :sad:

I have had to read through all the pages since it happened, rather sporadically, and just had to comment on NeJames' early departure. While it was very sweet to see him ask to leave early for his daughter's first day of school, the bitter, jaded wench in me couldn't help but wonder...

Was this perhaps testing grounds for future daddy/daughter events during the trial? Perhaps we will see him leave early during the trial, for instance, for his daughter's recital? Parent teacher meeting? Emergency doctor's visit? This would definitely, without being direct, pose a contrast for the jury. How a loving, attentive, proper parent behaves, and their priorities, as opposed to a selfish, egocentric, whining, murdering brat. It is something that would most likely stay in the jury's subconscious.

(and I love it!)

[msgatorslayer]

I recall listening to that same young man being interviewed. IIRC, he lived on the other side of Suburban Drive, but down just a bit from the site where Caylee's remains were found.

Yep. IIRC, he said the area was prone to flooding. From my experiences living in Florida that means whenever it rains hard and an 'urban flood warning' is issued, there is a great chance that area will flood.

TS Fay dropping, IIRC, 15 inches of rain, on top of the normal summer rains, sunk the area for the whole summer.

[zinnia]

Greetings from the land of su**y dial up, lol. :tongueside:

Having missed the hearing yesterday, I was feeling very discouraged in not being able to view it on my pc, because dial-up is not streaming video friendly. :sad:

I have had to read through all the pages since it happened, rather sporadically, and just had to comment on NeJames' early departure. While it was very sweet to see him ask to leave early for his daughter's first day of school, the bitter cynic in me couldn't help but wonder...

Was this perhaps testing grounds for future daddy/daughter events during the trial? Perhaps we will see him leave early during the trial, for instance, for his daughter's recital? Parent teacher meeting? Emergency doctor's visit? This would definitely, without being direct, pose a contrast for the jury. How a loving, attentive, proper parent behaves, and their priorities, as opposed to a selfish, egocentric, whining, murdering brat. It is something that would most likely stay in the jury's subconscious.

:thumbsup: Wow, totally agree with this. Good point!

[courtsinsession]

I wonder if deep down where Casey lives with Casey if she ever regrets what she did?

can i answer for her: no; she is only sorry she got caught (like most cold hearted killers-they cry for themselves)

[aproudmom]

http://www.baynews9.com/images/news/2008/7/22/lgcaseyanthony.jpg
sporting her stolen shirt to the clinker...

I guess it does fit much better than her usual..des I think you were right...4 and 6
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-casey-anthony-trial-photos,0,7769386.photogallery

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-casey-anthony-trial-photos,0,7769386.photogallery

[msgatorslayer]

http://www.baynews9.com/images/news/2008/7/22/lgcaseyanthony.jpg
sporting her stolen shirt to the clinker...

I guess it does fit much better than her usual..des I think you were right...4 and 6
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-casey-anthony-trial-photos,0,7769386.photogallery

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-casey-anthony-trial-photos,0,7769386.photogallery

It's funny seeing pics of what she would choose for herself compared to what others are choosing for her. :tongueside:

[Holden]

I just read in the local Fl news that CA's hairdresser is trying to get her to write a book about 'how much she has suffered', that it would be a best seller. :scared: CA says she has no intention of writing one right now. Here is my shock - someone actually thinks CA has had this nightmare thrust upon her and that she is a 'victim too'? Her fingerprints are all over this mess. She's no victim.

In reading a book about Scott Peterson this wk, I find myself shocked at how similar the Petersons and the Anthonys are. Both are 'outraged' at LE, calling everyone liars and throwing real innocent people under that bus. What are these 2 families, so similar, doing to create the monsters they did? The Petersons were very superficial, cared a lot about the kind of car they drove, where they lived, etc. CA seemed superficial in that she tried like crazy to present her family as close, loving, completely the opposite of what they actually are.

I believe the Petersons are still trying to get their murdering son out of jail some how, using appeal system or something. Wonder if the A's will be doing the same thing. I think they will. :sad:

[Sun]

Greetings from the land of su**y dial up, lol. :tongueside:

Having missed the hearing yesterday, I was feeling very discouraged in not being able to view it on my pc, because dial-up is not streaming video friendly. :sad:

I have had to read through all the pages since it happened, rather sporadically, and just had to comment on NeJames' early departure. While it was very sweet to see him ask to leave early for his daughter's first day of school, the bitter, jaded wench in me couldn't help but wonder...

Was this perhaps testing grounds for future daddy/daughter events during the trial? Perhaps we will see him leave early during the trial, for instance, for his daughter's recital? Parent teacher meeting? Emergency doctor's visit? This would definitely, without being direct, pose a contrast for the jury. How a loving, attentive, proper parent behaves, and their priorities, as opposed to a selfish, egocentric, whining, murdering brat. It is something that would most likely stay in the jury's subconscious.

(and I love it!)

NeJames is the attorney for TM.... and he's not likely to have any part in the upcoming trial of Casey's. NeJame is NOT one of Casey's attorneys. ...dial up is impossible, and I understand.

[bchand]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWhFeHz5aRI

Here you go Julie... the video from this morning with Tony Padilla.

Thanks for the link Sun. I have the Today Show on but somehow missed that.

Did you also read Tony Padilla's comments over at WS last night? He's a strange one IMO.

He says he loves the Anthonys and still keeps in contact with them.

He said he knows George lied on the stand yesterday (WHAT???) but that doesn't make him a bad person.

Now he's saying Casey is a nice person also eh? Doesn't seem to take much to impress this guy.

[Deannalynn]

I know this is not important in the big scheme of things but I've just got to ask. Since it's late at night maybe I can get away with a superficial guestion.

Why is Casey so badly dressed every time she goes to court? Before today her shirts were always too tight. I'm guessing because she's gained weight. But also they're just awful uncoordinated outfits. She seemed to be dressed well enough in all those "before" pics. Now she looks like she got some stuff at goodwill that doesn't fit or match. Maybe C and G arent' willing to shell out for new clothes for their bigger murderous daughter. Funny how they constantly refer to being glad to see her but refuse to visit and she shows so much hatred she won't even speak to them.

I wonder also if Cindy is just saying "F" u with her lack of good taste. First the gum chewing and now flip-flops. Guess I'm old fashioned but I would not go to court without sleeves but she appears in tank tops, sleeveless dresses no undergarments and sandals. It's like she's saying "This is just a casual affair, not a big deal, not worth putting on hosiery and shoes, much less a jacket". I guess that may sound stodgy,but I was taught to dress with respect in court and church.

Cindy reminds me of someone from the back 40. Wants to fit it but just don't know how to really.
The hunks of jewelry and the "sports bra" under her dresses. (if she's not wearing a sports bra then she's not wearing anything) Her girls are looking at China..:tonguewag:
I have seen plenty of defendants and we all have who come into court looking really nice. Cindy is like Casey. It's all about her. Why go out and spent 25 bucks for an outfit for Casey at Target. After all she's going to being doing LWOP or she's gonna get the DP, anyway. If this is the defense's way of making her look like a poor maiden they have it all wrong. Nice suit and her glasses and her hair nicely put up on top of her head would make her look just as innocent. She don't look innocent to me. She looks like a lady who pushes a trolley in the streets and could be capable of killing her daughter for a loaf of bread.:w00t:
Good morning.
jmo

[aproudmom]

after listening to GA again on the stand omg how are they ever going to get through the trial with CA.. GA is bad enough about answering she will be a total nightmare for the DA office..

[Sun]

Thanks for the link Sun. I have the Today Show on but somehow missed that.

Did you also read Tony Padilla's comments over at WS last night? He's a strange one IMO.

He says he loves the Anthonys and still keeps in contact with them.

He said he knows George lied on the stand yesterday (WHAT???) but that doesn't make him a bad person.

Now he's saying Casey is a nice person also eh? Doesn't seem to take much to impress this guy.

Tony Padilla has a right to his opinion, and he's met Casey. Many of us haven't met with Casey in person, and therefore she has not been able to influence each and every one of us into "liking" her. TP admits to only being in that home 2 hours. I am saddened that TP has not made the effort to study some of the facts in regards to the Anthonys. It seems almost as if he is basing his opinion without considering the facts provided in the Discovery.

[Explorer]

Hi everyone. I think I know why she had tears yesterday. The defense is going to throw Tony Lazzaro under the bus. We all thought it was going tobe Jesse but its going to be Lazzaro.

[Sun]

Hi everyone. I think I know why she had tears yesterday. The defense is going to throw Tony Lazzaro under the bus. We all thought it was going tobe Jesse but its going to be Lazzaro.

I'm guessing that the defense is going to dig for dirt on TL. To use in an effort to discredit him. They probably want the jury to see him in a very very bad light, so that his testimony isn't maybe seen so bad against Casey. ...the defense wants to use everything that they can, to make Casey look better than each and every witness testifying against her.

[JHP]

NeJames is the attorney for TM.... and he's not likely to have any part in the upcoming trial of Casey's. NeJame is NOT one of Casey's attorneys. ...dial up is impossible, and I understand.

NeJame is such an interesting addition. He's one smart cookie! I think he figured out the Anthony's right away, and has placed himself as TM's attorney because he suspected what they were trying to pull on TM.

What comes out of his mouth is very different then what you can read between the lines. I'm thinking he's actually giving the grieveing grandparents the LEE at times. It's really kind of funny in such a pathetic situation. IMO

[Deannalynn]

[QUOTE=Julie Dupree;13388715]Lyons is not the only good lawyer in this case....I think Linda Drane-Burdock did a very good job questioning GA yesterday. I think this lady will be able to hold her own during this circus performance.

BTW...interesting letter from Mark NeJames..if you have not read it.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-08/48763738.pdf[/QUOTE

Good morning Ms. Julie.
Good to see you here.

I agree with your opinion on Linda Drane-Burdock. She seems to know all about George and Cindy's exploitations. I see her questioning both George and Cindy in the up coming trial. (Upcoming, what a joke)
In any event, she will either have them in check or get them in check. If all else fails she will pizz them off to the point where Strickland will have to haul them out of the court room.
Interesting read from Mr. NeJ. He's a rather smart attorney and extremely professional. Too bad the A's wouldn't cooperate with him. They may have had this case turned around a bit by now.
George is always whining "we just want to know the truth."
If the truth bit them in the backside they wouldn't want it because they know Casey murdered their grand daughter. The problem with their relationship with NeJ is they could smell he wanted to find the truth and they wanted him to jump on their train.
He just wouldn't do it.

[Explorer]

I'm guessing that the defense is going to dig for dirt on TL. To use in an effort to discredit him. They probably want the jury to see him in a very very bad light, so that his testimony isn't maybe seen so bad against Casey. ...the defense wants to use everything that they can, to make Casey look better than each and every witness testifying against her.

Yes and thats why she looked so upset yesterday. She knows that the defense is going to go after him (her true love) and its ALL because of her.

[msgatorslayer]

Tony Padilla has a right to his opinion, and he's met Casey. Many of us haven't met with Casey in person, and therefore she has not been able to influence each and every one of us into "liking" her. TP admits to only being in that home 2 hours. I am saddened that TP has not made the effort to study some of the facts in regards to the Anthonys. It seems almost as if he is basing his opinion without considering the facts provided in the Discovery.

Alot of killers are kind, wonderful people before killing someone. So I'm not surprised by what Tony Padillia says.

[spiritwolf46]

this pretty much looks like one of the shirts she wore during a hearing cause I kept waiting for one of the buttons to pop off and hit the judge in the head.:wink:..sorry to tell her though and the Anthonys she was never a 10 either...JMO
http://glosslip.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/caseyblue.jpg

I see in this pic that Cynthia made HER a binder, also!

[Explorer]

The comment that Tony made about wanting all boys is going to come up.

[spiritwolf46]

Lyons is not the only good lawyer in this case....I think Linda Drane-Burdock did a very good job questioning GA yesterday. I think this lady will be able to hold her own during this circus performance.

BTW...interesting letter from Mark NeJames..if you have not read it.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-08/48763738.pdf


I hadn't read that letter, Julie. Thank you so much for putting this up. :)

[Explorer]

Tony is a smart guy and thats why he wouldnt offer her the key to his apt when he was away. I dont even think he liked her that much. I think he really didnt trust her that much.

[Neffy]

Lyons is not the only good lawyer in this case....I think Linda Drane-Burdock did a very good job questioning GA yesterday. I think this lady will be able to hold her own during this circus performance.

BTW...interesting letter from Mark NeJames..if you have not read it.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-08/48763738.pdf

I wasn't comparing LDB and Lyons. I was giving merit to Lyons as a defense attorney compared to the other defense counsel. LDB is top notch and is a formidable adversary for Lyons to go up against.

The defense is trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear. They need to reach into their bag of tricks and hope for stupid jurors.

[aproudmom]

I was watching the video lastnight of George testifying and Mr. Gator looked over and mentioned how Casey sure doesn't look like the smug, spoiled brat we've seen in the past.

It looks like she lost a little bit of weight since the last court appearance. Or maybe it was clothing last time that was to small for her which made her look so huge.

IMO, it's taken this long, but it has finally sunk into her head that she's not going anywhere. This is not a game. This is very serious.

they had some saying that on HLN yesterday..she needs to get serious about it but with her I am not sure it will be lets see who we can say dumped the body when she was in jail..she is going down so she might as well get used to it ruining all these other people's life wont work forever..jmo

[sydney]

ITA! Casey came up with an imaginary person to have committed this and locked herself in. She's going to have to put a real person with real name and implicate a friend or family member as being Zanny for this to float even a little bit.

Problem is that this will be a vicious circle. Baez will have to do some investigative work to find out who they can finger and who doesn't have an alibi for certain dates or times. He won't find one that fits it all.

morning everyone! agree with you neffy. but i think it's a little late for kc to name anyone else. that should have been done waaaaay in the beginning. doing it now would make her appear even more guilty, in my mind.

also, if they do go that route (not saying they won't), the real irony would be they would now have to make an invisible person (zanny) disappear!:confused:

[sydney]

Hi everyone. I think I know why she had tears yesterday. The defense is going to throw Tony Lazzaro under the bus. We all thought it was going tobe Jesse but its going to be Lazzaro.

mornin' explorer. and i think that by trying to throw ANYONE under the bus at this stage is going to make them look even more desperate than they already are.

[Explorer]

Hello eveyone. Did the defense ask for records for all of Caseys friends? Are they going to get phone records for Cindy George and Lee?

[Neffy]

Alot of killers are kind, wonderful people before killing someone. So I'm not surprised by what Tony Padillia says.

Tony was doing the paper work in her presence along with everyone else for about 2 hours. His opinion is moot regarding Casey. I'm not surprised by his opinion either. His job isn't to judge but to provide bail and that's what he was doing. Certainly not an agent for the defense.

[Dunlurken]

If it's true that any bondsman is part of the Defense team, then our legal system is in big trouble. Obviously, Tony Padilla should have never posted bond, and I'm sure he's sorry he did now. JMO.

Privacy Statement, my azz!

[sydney]

Here is my shock - someone actually thinks CA has had this nightmare thrust upon her and that she is a 'victim too'?

(snipped by me)

hey, holden! here is MY shock - she continues to go to this SAME hairdresser?!

[Explorer]

(snipped by me)

hey, holden! here is MY shock - she continues to go to this SAME hairdresser?!

ROFLMAO:biggrin:

[Sun]

Hello eveyone. Did the defense ask for records for all of Caseys friends? Are they going to get phone records for Cindy George and Lee?

Here is the list of people that were in Baez's earlier motion.

Roy Kronk
Jesse Grund
Tony Lazzaro
Richard Cain
Cindy Anthony
George Anthony
Lee Anthony
Ricardo Morales
Amy Huizenga
Dominic Casey
James Hoover
Keith Williams

"any and all records for telephone usage, including but not limited to: phone calls, text messages, P2P communications, internet usage, WAP usage, cell tower pings, etc, which pertain to the aforementioned individuals."

[Explorer]

(snipped by me)

hey, holden! here is MY shock - she continues to go to this SAME hairdresser?!

I thought that style went out with the iceskater from the 70's Oh yeah that was Dorothy Hamill.

[Explorer]

Here is the list of people that were in Baez's earlier motion.

Roy Kronk
Jesse Grund
Tony Lazzaro
Richard Cain
Cindy Anthony
George Anthony
Lee Anthony
Ricardo Morales
Amy Huizenga
Dominic Casey
James Hoover
Keith Williams

"any and all records for telephone usage, including but not limited to: phone calls, text messages, P2P communications, internet usage, WAP usage, cell tower pings, etc, which pertain to the aforementioned individuals."

Thanks. I just thought it was funny that they asked for Lazzaros records yesterday.

[sydney]

I thought that style went out with the iceskater from the 70's Oh yeah that was Dorothy Hamill.

but dorothy wore it SOOOO much better.

so, does anyone think that if the 32 searchers information is divulged they will be deposed by the defense? i would bet they would be. can you say "drag this out as far as you can?" i think the defense is going with a throw-everything-against-the-wall-and-see-what-sticks defense. this is, of course, because the a's think they are made of teflon.

[Explorer]

but dorothy wore it SOOOO much better.

so, does anyone think that if the 32 searchers information is divulged they will be deposed by the defense? i would bet they would be. can you say "drag this out as far as you can?" i think the defense is going with a "scatter gun" defense - in other words, throw everything against th wall and see what sticks.

Im a little fuzzy on if the judge ruled on that. Did he say they could get info on the 32? Is he still thinking about it?

[aproudmom]

Certainly it was intentional right down to her demeanor. She went like looking and acting like she hadn't a care in the world and acted in court like she was one of the lawyers on the defense team to carrying the weight of the world on her shoulders suffering an extreme loss and wrongly convicted. Lyons is good.

Where's LKB?

wondered the same thing but actually was happy not to have to hear her she gets on my nerves..lol..JMO...someone must be good they got some tears out of KC but heck if I hold my eyes open long enough without blinking or poke myself with the edge of a tissue I am sure I could squeeze out a few tears or shall I say have some watery eyes..IMO nothing will help her she made sure of that along with the rest of the Anthony clan:smile:

[Explorer]

Dorothy Hamill did wear that style well but who told you know who that it looked good on her?:laugh:

[sydney]

Im a little fuzzy on if the judge ruled on that. Did he say they could get info on the 32? Is he still thinking about it?

he's still thinking about it. sorry for the typos on my earlier message. i thought i had cleaned it up (there i go, THINKING again!) i believe he will rule next week and i think, since nejames offered it, he will allow it.

[aproudmom]

Im a little fuzzy on if the judge ruled on that. Did he say they could get info on the 32? Is he still thinking about it?

no I do not think so yet..but could be wrong..

[Explorer]

he's still thinking about it. sorry for the typos on my earlier message. i thought i had cleaned it up (there i go, THINKING again!) i believe he will rule next week and i think, since nejames offered it, he will allow it.

I really hope that Judge Stan rules against it. He seems like a reasonable judge so I trust hell do the right thing.

[sydney]

but heck if I hold my eyes open long enough without blinking or poke myself with the edge of a tissue I am sure I could squeeze out a few tears or shall I say have some watery eyes

hi, proud. i thought she held her eyes open wider, at times - perhaps to appear doe-eyed and innocent? perhaps to dry them out quicker and produce tears to moisten them? who knows. i think, instead of reading her bible and law books, she's reading about method acting.

[sydney]

I really hope that Judge Stan rules against it. He seems like a reasonable judge so I trust hell do the right thing.

i think he'll allow it, based on nejames' offer. i think he is really trying to ensure kc gets a fair and impartial trial. some see it as "giving in" but i see it as being sure his decisions won't be overturned on appeal.

[Explorer]

i think he'll allow it, based on nejames' offer. i think he is really trying to ensure kc gets a fair and impartial trial. some see it as "giving in" but i see it as being sure his decisions won't be overturned on appeal.

Yes good point.

[aproudmom]

he's still thinking about it. sorry for the typos on my earlier message. i thought i had cleaned it up (there i go, THINKING again!) i believe he will rule next week and i think, since nejames offered it, he will allow it.

sure hope they are happy they have cost TES alot of money and kept them from doing other searches..I must say I think Tim trying to protect the searchers information was very wise of him as a person as we all know it is public recorded and I do not think I would want to be thrown in the Anthony who don it circus either when I was out searching for a child as they were calling everyone names for not doing it the way they wanted them to...the place was under water Tim can show that he works with LE well and will NOT search in bad conditions on any searches...very professional IMO...

[sydney]

those poor searchers. i wonder if any of them are familiar with the phrase "no good deed goes unpunished"?

if i were one of them, i would be extremely upset that my integrity would be questioned - and, in essence, that is what baez and company is doing. all i did was to try and find a lost little girl. and now i face the possibility that my character will be assassinated. if it were me, i would NEVER offer to search again.

nejames is SO right in his assessment of the situation.

[Explorer]

Those Anthonys are trouble its no wonder that they dont have friends or family.

[aproudmom]

i think he'll allow it, based on nejames' offer. i think he is really trying to ensure kc gets a fair and impartial trial. some see it as "giving in" but i see it as being sure his decisions won't be overturned on appeal.

my bolding
shall I say Baez..J/K maybe not now since he has some good lawyers on her team but him alone was heading for appeals..IMO

[aproudmom]

Those Anthonys are trouble its no wonder that they dont have friends or family.

:thumbup:best post of the year...

[cassidy]

Tony Padilla has a right to his opinion, and he's met Casey. Many of us haven't met with Casey in person, and therefore she has not been able to influence each and every one of us into "liking" her. TP admits to only being in that home 2 hours. I am saddened that TP has not made the effort to study some of the facts in regards to the Anthonys. It seems almost as if he is basing his opinion without considering the facts provided in the Discovery.


Tony Padilla is very interested in not getting sued. :) IMO

[sydney]

Those Anthonys are trouble its no wonder that they dont have friends or family.

yes. i find that kind of strange and sad, actually. friends can give you perspective on things - sometimes their opinions are not what you want to hear, but i think their input would help you see straight. it does with MY friends at any rate.

are the a's that isolated? are they that distrustful of others? did they have something to hide? they do NOW, of course.

who knows?:confused:

[sydney]

my bolding
shall I say Baez..J/K maybe not now since he has some good lawyers on her team but him alone was heading for appeals..IMO

based on ineffective counsel? as a friend of mine always says "you betcha, baby!" when kc is found guilty, i still think that will be used on appeal.

[Explorer]

I see it this way. The anthonys didnt just start behaving like this. They have had their act down pat for a very long time. No one wants people like that in their life.

[sydney]

Tony Padilla has a right to his opinion, and he's met Casey. Many of us haven't met with Casey in person, and therefore she has not been able to influence each and every one of us into "liking" her. TP admits to only being in that home 2 hours. I am saddened that TP has not made the effort to study some of the facts in regards to the Anthonys. It seems almost as if he is basing his opinion without considering the facts provided in the Discovery.

or he thinks she's cute. hey, folks, i'm not kidding! i think her appearance would influence some people out there. if they find her attractive, that may sway some of them. PLUS the fact that she's so young.

[Neffy]

but dorothy wore it SOOOO much better.

so, does anyone think that if the 32 searchers information is divulged they will be deposed by the defense? i would bet they would be. can you say "drag this out as far as you can?" i think the defense is going with a throw-everything-against-the-wall-and-see-what-sticks defense. this is, of course, because the a's think they are made of teflon.

Of course they'll be disposed. The defense is looking for one word that can be mishconshtrued that they can throw out there.

[Scampi]

Yep, I agree. I think the defense may try to run with this idea, but I think they will also try to throw someone under the bus.

Scampi posted yesterday ( http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13387318&highlight=JVM#post13387318 ) Jayne Weintraub said on JVM last night it was Anthony Lazarro who looked up chloroform on Casey's computer. Throw in the defense wanting Tone's phone records. Could Tone be their "whodidit" candidate?

Where did Jayne get the idea it was Tone that looked up chloroform on Casey's computer? If she got the boyfriend's names mixed up and was thinking Ricardo, IIRC, Ricardo said he was there once. Defense Scenario: Ricardo went to the A's house with Casey, searched chloroform on the A's desktop in March 2008, waited until June 2008 to kidnap and murder Caylee. :lol: That wouldn't even fly in a cheap mystery novel.

jmo


Morning Des and everyone. Here is how it went yesterday on JVM show.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Pat Brown, a very few people buy the Zanny the nanny story, that this mystery nanny, this Zenaida Gonzales, the nanny took the child. So now, could they be switching to, hey, a boyfriend did it. And that`s why they want to phone records of this boyfriend, Anthony Lazzaro, who actually helped out the cops, at one point by wearing a wire and interviewing Thomas Luka`s client, Lee Anthony.

BROWN: Absolutely. I have been brought into profile crime by defense attorneys. And I`ve actually had them say, "OK, what do you think happened?"

I said, "The guy murdered her in the garage. Absolutely murder one."

"OK, well, ignoring that, what other story could be possible? What other way could this woman have been murdered? How about a car jacking?"

I`m like -- and they want you to -- they go and create stories. This is what goes on behind closed doors, many a time. They create a story and look for a way to tell it...

WEINTRAUB: That`s not imagination. That`s reality. He was on the computer typing chloroform searches. That`s reality. This is not fiction. That`s fact. This is not something the defense made up. And you know, honestly...

BROWN: The defense, they take one thing and they turn it into a story that they think they can sell the jury. There is -- that`s one of my objections to the way our defense attorneys in America...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I want to clarify something any way. Hold on. I think I`ve got to do a fact check here, Rozzie Franco. I don`t think Tony Lazzaro was Googling the substance that Jayne just mentioned. That was...

FRANCO: That was found -- that was found on Casey`s computer, whatever they took as evidence. They couldn`t prove whether Tony did that or whether she was going Googling it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And now they`re going to say he did that so they could start shifting the blame or they come up with some kind of theory or incredible story to the jury.

BROWN: Well, then they -- they have to look at all the evidence to prove something`s true. But they`re just trying to sway the jury at this point. We all know that`s...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0908/21/ijvm.01.html

IMO, this is what we will see from now on, up to and during the trial. Defense shills like Weintraub and Franco, who distort and lie about the evidence and what happened in court.

Pat Brown, the criminal profiler got it right. The defense concocts a story to fit the evidence, they most surely do not want the truth in front of a jury. It's sickening.

The fact that they are pointing the finger of guilt at these innocent friends/lovers of the accused babykiller, is outrageous. IMO.

[sydney]

I see it this way. The anthonys didnt just start behaving like this. They have had their act down pat for a very long time. No one wants people like that in their life.

but they both worked, right? okay, so george worked sporadically - but cindy had a steady job iirc. how can you NOT make friends at work - even if they're not your bff, can anyone say they didn't have at least one conversation with a coworker regarding family, etc.? i'm not talking about temp jobs, of course.

when cindy called in to lkl and asked about decomposition (gasp - she's a nurse for pete's sake!) it occurred to me that, being a nurse and all, she would have had access to at least ONE physician on staff. wouldn't it have been better to ask THAT person about decomp instead of going on air and asking? again, using caylee's death as a catapult into the public eye in an attempt to gain sympathy and support for their murderous daugher - nothing more.

[sydney]

Of course they'll be disposed. The defense is looking for one word that can be mishconshtrued that they can throw out there.

absolutely! that's what i think, too!

(love your mishconstrued, btw)

[Explorer]

I would be very interested to know what cindys co workers thought of her.

[sydney]

(el snip-o, respectfully, of course)
scamp, unless they have ACTUAL FOOTAGE of him googling chloroform, it ain't gonna fly. not only that, wasn't it determined that, due to the condition poor caylee was in, use of chloroform could not definitely be determined? so, even if he DID google chloroform, so what? it was not proven to be the cause of death.

[aproudmom]

those poor searchers. i wonder if any of them are familiar with the phrase "no good deed goes unpunished"?

if i were one of them, i would be extremely upset that my integrity would be questioned - and, in essence, that is what baez and company is doing. all i did was to try and find a lost little girl. and now i face the possibility that my character will be assassinated. if it were me, i would NEVER offer to search again.

nejames is SO right in his assessment of the situation.

it is sad they were out there searching through all that thick brush and for a baby how hard and sad..and that is what Tim is the most worried about he had to turn down searches after this one because of the amount it cost them they are finally getting out and searching other states other than Texas again and now they are going to be thrown into this if Caylee had been found by a searcher of course they would be on that stand and Tim himself would be but he has said over and over they did not search there because of the water they even lost a 4wheeler back in there some where and he called it off it was not worth safety or if the baby was there..he is not just any old searcher he lost a daughter and she was not found for awhile because of not searching this is a mission for Laura Miller not some joke of a scam like some other kid finder or so called kid finders organizations TES actually goes and searches for the missing..and have found many...but he will do what the Judge says and I just hope it does not cause people not to want to help in searches for all the missing ones out there..

[sydney]

it is sad they were out there searching through all that thick brush and for a baby how hard and sad..and that is what Tim is the most worried about he had to turn down searches after this one because of the amount it cost them they are finally getting out and searching other states other than Texas again and now they are going to be thrown into this if Caylee had been found by a searcher of course they would be on that stand and Tim himself would be but he has said over and over they did not search there because of the water they even lost a 4wheeler back in there some where and he called it off it was not worth safety or if the baby was there..he is not just any old searcher he lost a daughter and she was not found for awhile because of not searching this is a mission for Laura Miller not some joke of a scam like some other kid finder or so called kid finders organizations TES actually goes and searches for the missing..and have found many...but he will do what the Judge says and I just hope it does not cause people not to want to help in searches for all the missing ones out there..

contaminated by the a's again. he goes searching for the missing and, sadly, *missing* may include the dead....

[Deannalynn]

but they both worked, right? okay, so george worked sporadically - but cindy had a steady job iirc. how can you NOT make friends at work - even if they're not your bff, can anyone say they didn't have at least one conversation with a coworker regarding family, etc.? i'm not talking about temp jobs, of course.

when cindy called in to lkl and asked about decomposition (gasp - she's a nurse for pete's sake!) it occurred to me that, being a nurse and all, she would have had access to at least ONE physician on staff. wouldn't it have been better to ask THAT person about decomp instead of going on air and asking? again, using caylee's death as a catapult into the public eye in an attempt to gain sympathy and support for their murderous daugher - nothing more.

I personally think she done did that on purpose because she is an RN...
She started out by stating "it smells like a damn dead body." Then she changed it and said, "Pizza, Pizza".
She's not a dumb woman and I believe she called LKL clearly knowing what she was doing. She wanted the world to hear her ask, what does decomp smell like. That would get rid of them interrogating her on the stand with this issue. (She IS an RN, FGS)
However, it won't work because we all know they will question her anyway when they call her to the stand. That statement was very telling.
JMO

[zinnia]

Just a thought...Casey was crying at court because she KNEW her father was lying to protect her. Watch his testimony and when he "forgets" he gives her a look; and she starts crying.

[martha]

Good morning everyone, I get so scared when I hear all this stuff the def.is putting out there that she will get out of this. I guess in my heart the 31 days tells me she did this. I don;t feel sorry for any of the an;s because of the way they have acted. I know noone I know would act like they have even if it had been their daughter that killed their gd. No one would stop loving her but they would want her to be punished for what she did. You love your daughter and your love your gd but you or not going to let one get away with killing the other. I just hope and pray that the jury has some comman sense and not just be fooled by some high and mighty lawyer. I know the def is doing everything they can to come up with something that will get her of but so far I don;t see anything that will point to anyone but casey.the 31 days the car the things that come from the an;s house that was found.why would you not tell your baby was missing? only if you had done something to her no other reason.I would have called 911 and then my family.I just don;t get it.jmho

[Steps]

Hi everyone. I think I know why she had tears yesterday. The defense is going to throw Tony Lazzaro under the bus. We all thought it was going tobe Jesse but its going to be Lazzaro.

For the life of me, I just can't imagine how or why the defense would think that throughing Tony under the bus is the solution! Doesn't his client say that ZFG and her sister were the ones to take her from the apartment/park? How does Baez think that ANY jury is going to buy into that theory!!! What fools???

[sydney]

I personally think she done did that on purpose because she is an RN...
She started out by stating "it smells like a damn dead body." Then she changed it and said, "Pizza, Pizza".
She's not a dumb woman and I believe she called LKL clearly knowing what she was doing. She wanted the world to hear her ask, what does decomp smell like. That would get rid of them interrogating her on the stand with this issue. (She IS an RN, FGS)
However, it won't work because we all know they will question her anyway when they call her to the stand. That statement was very telling.
JMO

EXACTLY! as far as her not being a dumb woman, i don't know. she certainly doesn't consider the ramifications of statements she makes.

[sydney]

Good morning everyone, I get so scared when I hear all this stuff the def.is putting out there that she will get out of this. I guess in my heart the 31 days tells me she did this. I don;t feel sorry for any of the an;s because of the way they have acted. I know noone I know would act like they have even if it had been their daughter that killed their gd. No one would stop loving her but they would want her to be punished for what she did. You love your daughter and your love your gd but you or not going to let one get away with killing the other. I just hope and pray that the jury has some comman sense and not just be fooled by some high and mighty lawyer. I know the def is doing everything they can to come up with something that will get her of but so far I don;t see anything that will point to anyone but casey.the 31 days the car the things that come from the an;s house that was found.why would you not tell your baby was missing? only if you had done something to her no other reason.I would have called 911 and then my family.I just don;t get it.jmho

martha, i hope they pick a jury with people just like you on it.

[sydney]

For the life of me, I just can't imagine how or why the defense would think that throughing Tony under the bus is the solution! Doesn't his client say that ZFG and her sister were the ones to take her from the apartment/park? How does Baez think that ANY jury is going to buy into that theory!!! What fools???

hey, steps! not only that, as i said ealier, they will have to make an invisible person (zanny) disappear! the only way they could do that is to plead some sort of mental disease/defect and i don't think that's gonna happen - unless al can convince the kc that is their only hope of getting lwop vs the dp and i see those chances as slim to none - what's the saying? "pride cometh before a fall?" being rebaptized and all, the a's should be familiar with that phrase, dontcha think?

[sydney]

o/t. chores call - talk later, guys!

[Scampi]

(el snip-o, respectfully, of course)
scamp, unless they have ACTUAL FOOTAGE of him googling chloroform, it ain't gonna fly. not only that, wasn't it determined that, due to the condition poor caylee was in, use of chloroform could not definitely be determined? so, even if he DID google chloroform, so what? it was not proven to be the cause of death.

Hiya Syd!! I know, but just the suggestion irks the living spit out of me. We are going to be shocked and appalled when this gets into the courtroom and we see the dirty tricks this defense team will play. Anyone involved in phil spector's first trial will know what I am talking about.

Tony Lazarro's statement that he only wanted boys will be twisted into something evil, just wait and see.

It is very clear to me why Tony has retained legal counsel, he's going to need it.

[martha]

it is sad they were out there searching through all that thick brush and for a baby how hard and sad..and that is what Tim is the most worried about he had to turn down searches after this one because of the amount it cost them they are finally getting out and searching other states other than Texas again and now they are going to be thrown into this if Caylee had been found by a searcher of course they would be on that stand and Tim himself would be but he has said over and over they did not search there because of the water they even lost a 4wheeler back in there some where and he called it off it was not worth safety or if the baby was there..he is not just any old searcher he lost a daughter and she was not found for awhile because of not searching this is a mission for Laura Miller not some joke of a scam like some other kid finder or so called kid finders organizations TES actually goes and searches for the missing..and have found many...but he will do what the Judge says and I just hope it does not cause people not to want to help in searches for all the missing ones out there..ITA with you.The an;s have treated tim awful from the time he came to search for CAYLEE. Now no telling what this will cost him.I do feel so sorry for Tim.This will cause people not to want to help search for missing people. No telling where these people of from and what it will cost them if they have to come back for the trial.I think they need to let the an;s pay for all of them if theyhave to come back for trial.jmho

[Dunlurken]

Yes and thats why she looked so upset yesterday. She knows that the defense is going to go after him (her true love) and its ALL because of her.

Not a chance. She's concerned about herself, not Tony, Caylee, her parents or anyone else. She's a sociopath. JMO. Only cries for herself. she's finally starting to realize the jig is up. And a needle awaits her arm.

ETA: bottom line, defense will throw everything out there, and see what sticks. Prosecution has their work cut out for them.

[aproudmom]

Yep, I agree. I think the defense may try to run with this idea, but I think they will also try to throw someone under the bus.

Scampi posted yesterday ( http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13387318&highlight=JVM#post13387318 ) Jayne Weintraub said on JVM last night it was Anthony Lazarro who looked up chloroform on Casey's computer. Throw in the defense wanting Tone's phone records. Could Tone be their "whodidit" candidate?

Where did Jayne get the idea it was Tone that looked up chloroform on Casey's computer? If she got the boyfriend's names mixed up and was thinking Ricardo, IIRC, Ricardo said he was there once. Defense Scenario: Ricardo went to the A's house with Casey, searched chloroform on the A's desktop in March 2008, waited until June 2008 to kidnap and murder Caylee. :lol: That wouldn't even fly in a cheap mystery novel.

jmo

OMG if 12 people believe this crap I need to be put away in the crazy bin...I am seeing TonE being added to the Zanny list now wanting those phone records up til December...I bet these people wish they never met this wack job family...JMO

[martha]

Hiya Syd!! I know, but just the suggestion irks the living spit out of me. We are going to be shocked and appalled when this gets into the courtroom and we see the dirty tricks this defense team will play. Anyone involved in phil spector's first trial will know what I am talking about.

Tony Lazarro's statement that he only wanted boys will be twisted into something evil, just wait and see.

It is very clear to me why Tony has retained legal counsel, he's going to need it.ITA with you I know I am going to get mad as fire when they start this trial with what all the def.will say. the one trial I wanted to be there and tell the da what to ask. I got so mad because he was a soft spoken man and I wanted him to speak up and so many questions I wanted him to ask.I got so up set and it is not good to watch something like that. I do think the da office on this trial has a good lawyer the lady did good asking george things yesterday.Maybe she will be strong and ask the hard questions. I sure hope all the da office will be strong and come on hard at all the an;s.i know they will not let casey on the stand. They sure can be strong when it comes to g and c.tho.jmho

[Dunlurken]

OMG if 12 people believe this crap I need to be put away in the crazy bin...I am seeing TonE being added to the Zanny list now wanting those phone records up til December...I bet these people wish they never met this wack job family...JMO

12 people will not believe it. Not to worry. It only takes one though, which would mean a hung jury which wouldn't surprise me, then less media when it goes to a "real trial".

I can see the media salivating, waiting for the trial, as I type. JMO.

[martha]

Not a chance. She's concerned about herself, not Tony, Caylee, her parents or anyone else. She's a sociopath. JMO. Only cries for herself. she's finally starting to realize the jig is up. And a needle awaits her arm.

ETA: bottom line, defense will throw everything out there, and see what sticks. Prosecution has their work cut out for them.ITA she don;t care anything about anyone but casey. no tears for anyone but her self. the defense will try anything and everything. just hope pros.is strong and willing to ask the hard questions.jmho

[Dunlurken]

ITA she don;t care anything about anyone but casey. no tears for anyone but her self. the defense will try anything and everything. just hope pros.is strong and willing to ask the hard questions.jmho

It's called "smoke and mirrors". Geragos tried that in the Scott Peterson trial. Was also tried in the Michael Peterson trial. Didn't work. People are smarter then the "defense" thinks. JMO.

Tony's problem is that he put the "chloroform" thing on his computer. Wonder if Casey mentioned it to him first? JMO.

[aproudmom]

Not a chance. She's concerned about herself, not Tony, Caylee, her parents or anyone else. She's a sociopath. JMO. Only cries for herself. she's finally starting to realize the jig is up. And a needle awaits her arm.

ETA: bottom line, defense will throw everything out there, and see what sticks. Prosecution has their work cut out for them.

IMO I am telling you they have some special stuff on those tissues that made her eyes water up..I think she may be afraid but I think she actually thinks she will walk so they need to prep her for her hearings get her plump, crying, no makeup looks like she has no money for shampoo..big change IMO...Prosecution has this one I have no doubt..so they better grab her some teary tissue she is in it for the long run....but don't forget she will take her life before they give her the needle..or so she said awhile back...all jmo

[Dunlurken]

IMO I am telling you they have some special stuff on those tissues that made her eyes water up..I think she may be afraid but I think she actually thinks she will walk so they need to prep her for her hearings get her plump, crying, no makeup looks like she has no money for shampoo..big change IMO...Prosecution has this one I have no doubt..so they better grab her some teary tissue she is in it for the long run....but don't forget she will take her life before they give her the needle..or so she said awhile back...all jmo
This will be one of those "common sense" trials. Common sense tells me Casey didn't report her child missing for 31 days. New tataoo, "the beautiful life"; smell of decomposition in the car; wouldn't return her parents calls or just texted Cindy; Caylee was found in a "missing" laundry bag from her own home. This one isn't hard to figure out. JMO.

[aproudmom]

It's called "smoke and mirrors". Geragos tried that in the Scott Peterson trial. Was also tried in the Michael Peterson trial. Didn't work. People are smarter then the "defense" thinks. JMO.

Tony's problem is that he put the "chloroform" thing on his computer. Wonder if Casey mentioned it to him first? JMO.

wow wait a minute..I thought that was RM sorry did I miss it TonE also had it on his computer? ok was the when he was dating her guess I missed this one..

[Dunlurken]

Morning all. I must say that it sure seems far fetched to me the defense will try to say that Caylee's remains were placed after Casey was in jail.
In the reports that we have all seen the roots and vegetation was growing up and thru some of the bones recovered. But what does that have to do with weather or not Casey killed that precious baby?

I just don't get it I guess. Nothing could change my mind on this.

Like I said, defense will throw everything out there and see what sticks. Nothing will stick, because it's obvious who killed Caylee, IMO. Duct tape on the mouth, with a heart sticker. Buried at the same place she buried her hamster. The evidence is insurmountable and defense doesn't have a chance. They should have gone for insanity. JMO.

[Neffy]

wow wait a minute..I thought that was RM sorry did I miss it TonE also had it on his computer? ok was the when he was dating her guess I missed this one..

I was wondering the same thing. Granted I've missed quite a bit in the last month or so but to my knowledge it was Ricardo not TonE

[aproudmom]

I was wondering the same thing. Granted I've missed quite a bit in the last month or so but to my knowledge it was Ricardo not TonE

all I have heard is RM had it on his myspace actually tons of people do...if so me and you both missed it and I have been on this case since day 1 but there has been alot of stuff to remember..

[Dunlurken]

I was wondering the same thing. Granted I've missed quite a bit in the last month or so but to my knowledge it was Ricardo not TonE

You guys could be right. Sorry if I confused the situation. Too many players. JMO.

Why would anyone try to implicate Tony? That's just dumb. Guess the defense is grasping at straws already.

[aproudmom]

Like I said, defense will throw everything out there and see what sticks. Nothing will stick, because it's obvious who killed Caylee, IMO. Duct tape on the mouth, with a heart sticker. Buried at the same place she buried her hamster. The evidence is insurmountable and defense doesn't have a chance. They should have gone for insanity. JMO.

oh ITA and I hope they do so she has not one thing to get a appeal but I think she is going away and I think they messed up not going with the insanity thing from the get go even though I don't think it would have worked they were stupid not to..IMO

[*Serenity*]

Good morning everyone, I get so scared when I hear all this stuff the def.is putting out there that she will get out of this. I guess in my heart the 31 days tells me she did this. I don;t feel sorry for any of the an;s because of the way they have acted. I know noone I know would act like they have even if it had been their daughter that killed their gd. No one would stop loving her but they would want her to be punished for what she did. You love your daughter and your love your gd but you or not going to let one get away with killing the other. I just hope and pray that the jury has some comman sense and not just be fooled by some high and mighty lawyer. I know the def is doing everything they can to come up with something that will get her of but so far I don;t see anything that will point to anyone but casey.the 31 days the car the things that come from the an;s house that was found.why would you not tell your baby was missing? only if you had done something to her no other reason.I would have called 911 and then my family.I just don;t get it.jmho


Well... Casey proved she knows how to react quickly with calling 911...she proved that while out on bail with the protestors out front.
That my friend will be played in court. I remember Baez showing up at the A's home the very next morning pizzed and recall how hard he flung that car door open. SHE tightened her noose a little bit more with that 911 call for help. NO call to 911 for 31 days to help find her missing daughter though. OUCH

[Deannalynn]

Like I said, defense will throw everything out there and see what sticks. Nothing will stick, because it's obvious who killed Caylee, IMO. Duct tape on the mouth, with a heart sticker. Buried at the same place she buried her hamster. The evidence is insurmountable and defense doesn't have a chance. They should have gone for insanity. JMO.

She probably murdered her hamster and then made up some lie (death by natural causes) and burried it...:mad:

[Deannalynn]

oh ITA and I hope they do so she has not one thing to get a appeal but I think she is going away and I think they messed up not going with the insanity thing from the get go even though I don't think it would have worked they were stupid not to..IMO

Well, they can't change their mind now. Every time someone asks them what state Casey is in they say, she's very intelligent, highly articulate and well balanced. There goes the Insanity plea.
Narcissistic is why she comes across that way, just sayin.
JMO

[Dunlurken]

Well... Casey proved she knows how to react quickly with calling 911...she proved that while out on bail with the protestors out front.
That my friend will be played in court. I remember Baez showing up at the A's home the very next morning pizzed and recall how hard he flung that car door open. SHE tightened her noose a little bit more with that 911 call for help. NO call to 911 for 31 days to help find her missing daughter though. OUCH

I thought Cindy did that? :confused:

[aproudmom]

You guys could be right. Sorry if I confused the situation. Too many players. JMO.

Why would anyone try to implicate Tony? That's just dumb. Guess the defense is grasping at straws already.

OK I thought I missed it that was on RM computer on his myspace..guess TonE is just next in line they want to check his pings and calls up to when they found her remains to see if he dumped her there I guess....AFTER KC was put in jail since that is where they are going now I guess...

[Julie Dupree]

It's funny seeing pics of what she would choose for herself compared to what others are choosing for her. :tongueside:

A world of difference in the trim and fit Casey in the first photo and # 4 of the second set with her tummy showing or her big legs in #21.

[Sun]

Morning all. I must say that it sure seems far fetched to me the defense will try to say that Caylee's remains were placed after Casey was in jail.
In the reports that we have all seen the roots and vegetation was growing up and thru some of the bones recovered. But what does that have to do with weather or not Casey killed that precious baby?

I just don't get it I guess. Nothing could change my mind on this.

Oh, you get it. You understand quite well the this is the defense just trying to blow smoke or to introduce confusion.

I re-watched yesterday's hearing. And, probably will again and again just to focus in on different things. (I have a hard time focusing on, or compartmentalizing certain issues, thus the reason for having to watch it several times).

I saw glimpses of emotion/awareness in Casey that could mean that she is indeed now comprehending that the charges against her are real, that the evidence provided in the Discovery is very incriminating to her, and that it may be quite likely that she will be convicted. I even believe that she has began the process of thinking about if she is convicted, she will serve out the rest of her life on death row. ...in other words, she is now listening to someone other than Baez and his firm. And, they are being truthful with her. Or I am just being fooled and she is acting.

[Julie Dupree]

sure hope they are happy they have cost TES alot of money and kept them from doing other searches..I must say I think Tim trying to protect the searchers information was very wise of him as a person as we all know it is public recorded and I do not think I would want to be thrown in the Anthony who don it circus either when I was out searching for a child as they were calling everyone names for not doing it the way they wanted them to...the place was under water Tim can show that he works with LE well and will NOT search in bad conditions on any searches...very professional IMO...

Sun made a very good point earlier (don't know if you saw it or not).
She suggested that they wanted the names of the people who volunteered to search so none of them would be selected as for jury duty.

[Deannalynn]

A world of difference in the trim and fit Casey in the first photo and # 4 of the second set with her tummy showing or her big legs in #21.

Morning Ms. Julie..
Do they have a court date set or did I hear Strickland say he would decide that when he makes a ruling on the issues yesterday.
What was all that talk about NEXT summer...:confused:

[trich]

I thought Cindy did that? :confused:

No Cindy was outside confronting the protesters and Casey inside the house called 911...

[trich]

Morning Ms. Julie..
Do they have a court date set or did I hear Strickland say he would decide that when he makes a ruling on the issues yesterday.
What was all that talk about NEXT summer...:confused:

The court date he is deciding on is the criminal charges for fraud .
All the money she stole from Amy.

[Deannalynn]

The court date he is deciding on is the criminal charges for fraud .
All the money she stole from Amy.

Thanks trich...

AL said something about the murder case and then she said something about next summer. Was it just me? Any of you hear that?

[trich]

Oh, you get it. You understand quite well the this is the defense just trying to blow smoke or to introduce confusion.

I re-watched yesterday's hearing. And, probably will again and again just to focus in on different things. (I have a hard time focusing on, or compartmentalizing certain issues, thus the reason for having to watch it several times).

I saw glimpses of emotion/awareness in Casey that could mean that she is indeed now comprehending that the charges against her are real, that the evidence provided in the Discovery is very incriminating to her, and that it may be quite likely that she will be convicted. I even believe that she has began the process of thinking about if she is convicted, she will serve out the rest of her life on death row. ...in other words, she is now listening to someone other than Baez and his firm. And, they are being truthful with her. Or I am just being fooled and she is acting.

I think if she is sad about anything it is for being locked up ....I don't believe she even thinks about Caylee.
If she really loved Caylee and her family she would do the right thing
and throw herself on the mercy of the court.
I wonder if she has even admitted to herself that she killed her own daughter.

[trich]

Thanks trich...

AL said something about the murder case and then she said something about next summer. Was it just me? Any of you hear that?

Next Summer is when they predict the murder trial will happen.
I am beginning to wonder if it will even happen then.
I wonder just how long the defense can put it off.
It just appears to me that they have been given every kind of stalling tatics they can dream up with the justice system going along with it.
it actually pisses me off to no end.

[Dunlurken]

No Cindy was outside confronting the protesters and Casey inside the house called 911...

Thank you. If the Padillas hadn't posted bond, this never would have happened. JMO.

[happygert]

sure hope they are happy they have cost TES alot of money and kept them from doing other searches..I must say I think Tim trying to protect the searchers information was very wise of him as a person as we all know it is public recorded and I do not think I would want to be thrown in the Anthony who don it circus either when I was out searching for a child as they were calling everyone names for not doing it the way they wanted them to...the place was under water Tim can show that he works with LE well and will NOT search in bad conditions on any searches...very professional IMO...


Tim said this was the most expensive search he has ever conduted. Deleted all their funds.. and Caylee was only 15 houses away.. He had to turn other families away.. One being Stacy Peterson's from Boilingbrook.



Not one person ever got a Thank You from any of them this is the Thanks everyone got!
Everyone that ever came in contact with this family has paid dearly. .Just about everyone has had to hire an attorney.
(BTW they dont pay for their attorney but everyone else has to.) They've been dragged thru the mud, Their character has been assassinated by the A's. Every one who has tried to help them has been screamed at talked and lied about.. 1,000's have searched for Caylee while george and cidny sat on their azzes and did absolutely nothing but begged for money and counted the green. and never even offered a sandwhich or a bottle of water to them..While other people put their own life on hold to find Caylee.. And thats what they got in return..This is one family that NO ONE would ever want to met again .There should be a warning on their foreheads warning any and all that this family is toxic. .STAY AWAY..

these low lifes feel they are entitled to everything . and ever one owes them.. its down right sickening how they have acted..

These people make others say hey do we want to get involved with the next missing Child? look what happened to everyone who tried to help the A's.. IMO most will think for a long time before ever helping another family. or at least I would.. well on second thought I probably wouldn't because I know whats it's like to have a missing child.. Never seen a family like this in my life probably not another family out there like this in the world.. this is probably ONE of a KIND...

[Dunlurken]

Next Summer is when they predict the murder trial will happen.
I am beginning to wonder if it will even happen then.
I wonder just how long the defense can put it off.
It just appears to me that they have been given every kind of stalling tatics they can dream up with the justice system going along with it.
it actually pisses me off to no end.

That's what I was going to say. The Anthony's attorney still thinks the trial will happen in October. What planet is he living on? :confused:

[Sun]

I think if she is sad about anything it is for being locked up ....I don't believe she even thinks about Caylee.
If she really loved Caylee and her family she would do the right thing
and throw herself on the mercy of the court.
I wonder if she has even admitted to herself that she killed her own daughter.

Yes trich, I agree. She is selfish. For the most part, the times that I saw a glimpse of emotion from her, it was in regards to her.

Has Casey ever said just one, "Lee, Mom, Dad, I apologize for putting you through all of this." Has she said this even once? ...no, she said, "Mom, just give me one more day."

[aproudmom]

Sorry to quote myself.

Gale St. John did a blind drive on or around August 11, 2008. The wooded area was under water per their video tape. The video also shows how dense the foliage was in August. IMO, someone could have been standing next to Caylee's remains and not have noticed.

(it is around the 6:00 mark on the clock) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6142164224455400485

ETA ~ In Keith Williams interview, he said he was also there in August. After reading his interview, IMO, he never ventured very far into the woods on that side of the road. He also mentioned he did not smell anything. I think Caylee was placed there the week of June 16, 2008. Almost 2 months of exposure to the elements and scavengers, there would not have been anything left to smell. jmo

this is when her dog went crazy in the van IIRC my computer is being a butt this morning so not going to play it but if it is the one I saw months ago she was in the area and the dog went down a little to far but the boy in the back had a sick feeling..

[Sun]

That's what I was going to say. The Anthony's attorney still thinks the trial will happen in October. What planet is he living on? :confused:

I heard Luka say that and thought huh???? Lee's own attorney doesn't even know that in July 2009, Judge Strickland ruled to strike that court date, and set a pre-trial/status conference for Jan 2010. Oh wait... didn't Luka also say that his reprentation of Lee had come to an end?

[Dunlurken]

Yes trich, I agree. She is selfish. For the most part, the times that I saw a glimpse of emotion from her, it was in regards to her.

Has Casey ever said just one, "Lee, Mom, Dad, I apologize for putting you through all of this." Has she said this even once? ...no, she said, "Mom, just give me one more day."

Kind of makes you sick doesn't it? "Mom, just give me one more day". While Casey is out there partying, stealing money from Amy and god knows what else. I still fault the Anthony's for not doing something sooner. They could have reported the car stolen. JMO.

[Pretty Leaf]

Haven't read through last night or today as in a rush but Cindy said yesterday that she was able to tell Casey she loved her and Casey said it back. IMO no way. Casey did not even look in Cindy's way. Wishful thinking. George on the other hand kissed his hand to Casey and said he loved her but Casey never made any motion back to him.

I feal Casey crying during George on the stand is a ploy put out there by Lyons. There was a slideshow posted yesterday of Casey at the trial and in one picture she has kleenex in her hand and a finger in her eye much like her "tears" at her arraingment.

[happygert]

The court date he is deciding on is the criminal charges for fraud .
All the money she stole from Amy.

I sure hope they set a date..I liked it when DA said if jb and al is too busy to try this case maybe miss anthony should hire her other attorney.. also liked it when he said al has never filed papers as attorney as record to try this case.. lol.. smack down ..

[Dunlurken]

Haven't read through last night or today as in a rush but Cindy said yesterday that she was able to tell Casey she loved her and Casey said it back. IMO no way. Casey did not even look in Cindy's way. Wishful thinking. George on the other hand kissed his hand to Casey and said he loved her but Casey never made any motion back to him.

I feal Casey crying during George on the stand is a ploy put out there by Lyons. There was a slideshow posted yesterday of Casey at the trial and in one picture she has kleenex in her hand and a finger in her eye much like her "tears" at her arraingment.
She didn't cry for George, she cried for herself. Called sociopath. And she did not look at her mom. Jose has really screwed things up. He's the one who told Casey not to have any more visits from family. JMO.

[aproudmom]

was it Hurricane Faye that was last year in August..? around August 22,2008

[Deannalynn]

this is when her dog went crazy in the van IIRC my computer is being a butt this morning so not going to play it but if it is the one I saw months ago she was in the area and the dog went down a little to far but the boy in the back had a sick feeling..

I believe Casey wanted to bury Caylee in the back yard but it was too much for her so she decided to get rid of her and went down the street and dumped her there.
That makes sense to me. She borrowed the shovel but didn't have it long and didn't do much with it.
JMO

[aproudmom]

Haven't read through last night or today as in a rush but Cindy said yesterday that she was able to tell Casey she loved her and Casey said it back. IMO no way. Casey did not even look in Cindy's way. Wishful thinking. George on the other hand kissed his hand to Casey and said he loved her but Casey never made any motion back to him.

I feal Casey crying during George on the stand is a ploy put out there by Lyons. There was a slideshow posted yesterday of Casey at the trial and in one picture she has kleenex in her hand and a finger in her eye much like her "tears" at her arraingment.

did you notice the finger in the eye also..I keep saying it was more of watery eyes..I think it was staged..but that is just MO

[Deannalynn]

I sure hope they set a date..I liked it when DA said if jb and al is too busy to try this case maybe miss anthony should hire her other attorney.. also liked it when he said al has never filed papers as attorney as record to try this case.. lol.. smack down ..

In addition, he said since this case Baez has taken on 9 more cases and keeps on ticking.
These attorneys are not playing their game...
jmo

[*Serenity*]

I thought Cindy did that? :confused:

Cindy called 911 when Casey could not produce Caylee.
Casey called 911 while out on bail when George and Cindy were outside fighting with the protestors.

The next day Baez showed up to get Casey and he was livid.

[Dunlurken]

was it Hurricane Faye that was last year in August..? around August 22,2008
Yes. Which is why when Tim Miller did his search, the area was covered in water.
JMO.

[*Serenity*]

did you notice the finger in the eye also..I keep saying it was more of watery eyes..I think it was staged..but that is just MO


If you go back and look at her in court for her very first bond hearing she does the same thing while crying. That would be the pink handcuff days.

[Julie Dupree]

Morning Ms. Julie..
Do they have a court date set or did I hear Strickland say he would decide that when he makes a ruling on the issues yesterday.
What was all that talk about NEXT summer...:confused:

Hi DL,
The only court date I know about is the "pre-trial" date set for Jan 21. Maybe someone else has other information..then we will both know.

[cassidy]

She probably murdered her hamster and then made up some lie (death by natural causes) and burried it...:mad:

Casey doesn't bury, she bags and tosses.

[sydney]

was it Hurricane Faye that was last year in August..? around August 22,2008

now, mom - remember - per the defense, there was NO hurricane - it was a brief mist!:rolleyes:

[desmom]

I thought Cindy did that? :confused:

OCSD Releases Casey Anthony's 911 Protester Call
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/9/18/ocsd_releases_casey_anthonys_911_protester_call.ht ml

[Mel]

Hi DL,
The only court date I know about is the "pre-trial" date set for Jan 21. Maybe someone else has other information..then we will both know.

i'm curious also...i take it, the trial won't start in October, huh?....also, is there a video of the hearing yesterday?...maybe i should check the links thread...

[*Serenity*]

Thank you. If the Padillas hadn't posted bond, this never would have happened. JMO.

The Padilla 'cast of characters' and Baez turned this into the media circus, which in turn made this turn into all about Casey,IMO. I would still like to know how Baez hooked up with the Padilla's in the first place.

[Sun]

Cindy called 911 when Casey could not produce Caylee.
Casey called 911 while out on bail when George and Cindy were outside fighting with the protestors.

The next day Baez showed up to get Casey and he was livid.

He sure was. Baez picked up Casey at the home, and drove her to his office for her "6 hours of freedom" from the Anthony home. Every move that Casey made was covered by the media, and Baez had no time to get to go "traveling" with Casey in "secret."

[desmom]

this is when her dog went crazy in the van IIRC my computer is being a butt this morning so not going to play it but if it is the one I saw months ago she was in the area and the dog went down a little to far but the boy in the back had a sick feeling..

That is the one. The woman that was out with the dog can be heard very clearly saying (paraphrasing) "you can't go to far because it is under water". jmo

[Julie Dupree]

Tim said this was the most expensive search he has ever conduted. Deleted all their funds.. and Caylee was only 15 houses away.. He had to turn other families away.. One being Stacy Peterson's from Boilingbrook.



Not one person ever got a Thank You from any of them this is the Thanks everyone got!
Everyone that ever came in contact with this family has paid dearly. .Just about everyone has had to hire an attorney.
(BTW they dont pay for their attorney but everyone else has to.) They've been dragged thru the mud, Their character has been assassinated by the A's. Every one who has tried to help them has been screamed at talked and lied about.. 1,000's have searched for Caylee while george and cidny sat on their azzes and did absolutely nothing but begged for money and counted the green. and never even offered a sandwhich or a bottle of water to them..While other people put their own life on hold to find Caylee.. And thats what they got in return..This is one family that NO ONE would ever want to met again .There should be a warning on their foreheads warning any and all that this family is toxic. .STAY AWAY..

these low lifes feel they are entitled to everything . and ever one owes them.. its down right sickening how they have acted..

These people make others say hey do we want to get involved with the next missing Child? look what happened to everyone who tried to help the A's.. IMO most will think for a long time before ever helping another family. or at least I would.. well on second thought I probably wouldn't because I know whats it's like to have a missing child.. Never seen a family like this in my life probably not another family out there like this in the world.. this is probably ONE of a KIND...

Hi Gert,
I drove out to Tim's command site planning on volunteering, but there were so many people there that I did not stay. I don't think what has happened with this mess would keep me away the next time I feel that I might be able to help, but I am sure glad I turned my car around and did not stay.

[Mel]

found a link for hearing, thanks to Katprint:seeya:

[Sun]

i'm curious also...i take it, the trial won't start in October, huh?....also, is there a video of the hearing yesterday?...maybe i should check the links thread...

Here is a link. There are a total of 4 parts of the video in the box there.

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=caseyhearing1w_082120091055&cat=CAC&title=Casey Anthony In Court Part 1

[Julie Dupree]

He sure was. Baez picked up Casey at the home, and drove her to his office for her "6 hours of freedom" from the Anthony home. Every move that Casey made was covered by the media, and Baez had no time to get to go "traveling" with Casey in "secret."

I thought one of LP staff always drove her???

[Mel]

Here is a link that I got to work flawlessly for me. There are a total of 4 parts though.

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=caseyhearing1w_082120091055&cat=CAC&title=Casey Anthony In Court Part 1

thanks Sun...i'll try it first then

[aproudmom]

So anyone heard from Joy lately? lol she still loving the Anthony's:biggrin:

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19735491/detail.html

[Julie Dupree]

now, mom - remember - per the defense, there was NO hurricane - it was a brief mist!:rolleyes:

Fay came in August...I can not remember the exact date, but it was mid August.
I can assure you it was no mist, Fay was listed as a "Tropical Storm" because winds never reached hurricane strength. But rained and rained and rained.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/community/altamontesprings/orl-hurricane-preparation-lid-072609,0,7857462.story

[Sun]

That is the one. The woman that was out with the dog can be heard very clearly saying (paraphrasing) "you can't go to far because it is under water". jmo

I watched this video for the first time today. Does anyone know what date it may have been filmed?

I was not at all impressed by the movements of those people, and in no way did they appear to be following any type of search protocols. In a manner of speaking, they appear to possibly be tresspassing and failing to keep their dogs leashed.

[Sun]

Fay came in August...I can not remember the exact date, but it was mid August.
I can assure you it was no mist, Fay was listed as a "Tropical Storm" because winds never reached hurricane strength. But rained and rained and rained.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/community/altamontesprings/orl-hurricane-preparation-lid-072609,0,7857462.story

I just faintly recall that during the time that LP and his crew bonded Casey out of jail (Sept 21 through Sept 29) the weather in Florida was bad. Maybe bad enough that flying in and out of Orlando would have been compromised (or at least major delays and risk).

[*Serenity*]

Anyone catch how the State ask George about meeting the Padilla crew at a warehouse without Baez present? George-- we didn't meet at a warehouse... LOL then the State continues with okay... the place you met with them with whatever you want to call it, and George continues naming it industrial complex. THAT is exactly how this family thinks they are telling the truth... if you don't name it exactly what it is called they didn't do it, or know anything about it. Those half-truths just crack me up.

[desmom]

Fay came in August...I can not remember the exact date, but it was mid August.
I can assure you it was no mist, Fay was listed as a "Tropical Storm" because winds never reached hurricane strength. But rained and rained and rained.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/community/altamontesprings/orl-hurricane-preparation-lid-072609,0,7857462.story

Tropical Storm Fay Batters Coastline, Shifts Inland To Remain Over Florida
Posted: 5:21 pm EDT August 18, 2008
Updated: 10:52 am EDT August 20, 2008
http://www.wftv.com/news/17225030/detail.html

Shoppers Load Up On Supplies As Fay Moves Closer
Posted: 6:52 am EDT August 18, 2008
http://www.wftv.com/news/17218595/detail.html

The video of Gale St. John's blind drive was around August 11....I think. They stated the woods off of Suburban already had standing water. jmo

ETA ~ Psychic-Led Team 'Blind Driving' Central Fla. To Find Missing Girl
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/17154890/detail.html

[happygert]

I believe Casey wanted to bury Caylee in the back yard but it was too much for her so she decided to get rid of her and went down the street and dumped her there.
That makes sense to me. She borrowed the shovel but didn't have it long and didn't do much with it.
JMO

YEP! ita...too much work for her..

[Julie Dupree]

I just faintly recall that during the time that LP and his crew bonded Casey out of jail (Sept 21 through Sept 29) the weather in Florida was bad. Maybe bad enough that flying in and out of Orlando would have been compromised (or at least major delays and risk).

Sun, I have trouble remembering exact dates and times...but I do remember we had a lot of rain during that time. The lakes were still over flowing at Thanksgiving.

[Julie Dupree]

YEP! ita...too much work for her..

I think she did have her out there...maybe not buried, but covered someway. I think when she discovered she was smelling, she knew she had to take her someplace else. I think that is when she put her in the trunk and took her to the woods.

[Julie Dupree]

Tropical Storm Fay Batters Coastline, Shifts Inland To Remain Over Florida
Posted: 5:21 pm EDT August 18, 2008
Updated: 10:52 am EDT August 20, 2008
http://www.wftv.com/news/17225030/detail.html

Shoppers Load Up On Supplies As Fay Moves Closer
Posted: 6:52 am EDT August 18, 2008
http://www.wftv.com/news/17218595/detail.html

The video of Gale St. John's blind drive was around August 11....I think. They stated the woods off of Suburban already had standing water. jmo

ETA ~ Psychic-Led Team 'Blind Driving' Central Fla. To Find Missing Girl
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/17154890/detail.html

(runz over to desmom's house and gives you a big hug for posting all those links...you are soooooo clever.)

[desmom]

I just faintly recall that during the time that LP and his crew bonded Casey out of jail (Sept 21 through Sept 29) the weather in Florida was bad. Maybe bad enough that flying in and out of Orlando would have been compromised (or at least major delays and risk).

Orlando Toddler Caylee Anthony's Mom Leaves Jail With Lawyer — and Ankle Monitor
Thursday, August 21, 2008
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,406962,00.html

[Dunlurken]

The Padilla 'cast of characters' and Baez turned this into the media circus, which in turn made this turn into all about Casey,IMO. I would still like to know how Baez hooked up with the Padilla's in the first place.

They posted bond. Casey found Baez because another "inmate" said he's a good attorney. :rolleyes:

[desmom]

(runz over to desmom's house and gives you a big hug for posting all those links...you are soooooo clever.)

Aw shucks. It is nothing...Google is my friend. :biggrinjester:

[Sun]

I thought one of LP staff always drove her???

It was after the time that Casey was re-arrested, and LP's bond was then revoked. LP and his crew then left. Somehow, Baez managed to get another party to put up a bond (have no idea of how or the conditions). After LP left, I want to say that DCasey and the Anthonys may have began to shuttle Casey back and forth to her attorney's office for those 5-6 day a week 6 hour visits. Security of the Anthony home and of Casey, was then covered by a number of different folks as I remember. A couple huge dark bodyguards were with Baez when he picked Casey up from the jail the next time... and they may have been at the home in the evening for just a short number of days. I recall the Guardian Angels also being there later on, in the evenings. And, probably DCasey and JHoover at times in the evenings. ...all this is just from my faint/shaky memory. Someone please add or correct me if I'm wrong/mistaken.

No consistant 24/7 security. Just a wide variety of folks at various times in the evenings.

[Julie Dupree]

It was after the time that Casey was re-arrested, and LP's bond was then revoked. LP and his crew then left. Somehow, Baez managed to get another party to put up a bond (have no idea of how or the conditions). After LP left, I want to say that DCasey and the Anthonys may have began to shuttle Casey back and forth to her attorney's office for those 5-6 day a week 6 hour visits. Security of the Anthony home and of Casey, was then covered by a number of different folks as I remember. A couple huge dark bodyguards were with Baez when he picked Casey up from the jail the next time... and they may have been at the home in the evening for just a short number of days. I recall the Guardian Angels also being there later on, in the evenings. And, probably DCasey and JHoover at times in the evenings. ...all this is just from my faint/shaky memory. Someone please add or correct me if I'm wrong/mistaken.

No consistant 24/7 security. Just a wide variety of folks at various times in the evenings.


Is that black man that is always with them now, is he one of the body guards?
And who is the bald headed man that is always seated beside Cindy?

[Julie Dupree]

Aw shucks. It is nothing...Google is my friend. :biggrinjester:

:thumbsup: you allow us all to benefit ... and I am truly appreciative.

[*Serenity*]

They posted bond. Casey found Baez because another "inmate" said he's a good attorney. :rolleyes:

I meant how did the Padilla's and Baez hook up to bond Casey out?

[Julie Dupree]

It was after the time that Casey was re-arrested, and LP's bond was then revoked. LP and his crew then left. Somehow, Baez managed to get another party to put up a bond (have no idea of how or the conditions). After LP left, I want to say that DCasey and the Anthonys may have began to shuttle Casey back and forth to her attorney's office for those 5-6 day a week 6 hour visits. Security of the Anthony home and of Casey, was then covered by a number of different folks as I remember. A couple huge dark bodyguards were with Baez when he picked Casey up from the jail the next time... and they may have been at the home in the evening for just a short number of days. I recall the Guardian Angels also being there later on, in the evenings. And, probably DCasey and JHoover at times in the evenings. ...all this is just from my faint/shaky memory. Someone please add or correct me if I'm wrong/mistaken.

No consistant 24/7 security. Just a wide variety of folks at various times in the evenings.

I thought I would crack up when George said on the stand yesterday that LP's reason for being there was to provide security for his family...wasn't that a hoot!!!

[Dunlurken]

Is that black man that is always with them now, is he one of the body guards?
And who is the bald headed man that is always seated beside Cindy?

Who was the dude that shook hands with Casey when she entered the courtroom. He had a grey beard, but was in the spectator stand. JMO. Looked familliar to me.

[Julie Dupree]

I meant how did the Padilla's and Baez hook up to bond Casey out?

Somewhere in my muddled memory it seems I remember LP saying that he contacted JB because he truly believed he could help find Caylee. He believed she was alive and had been kidnapped.
He also said he soon realized that was not the case.

[AlohaRainbow]

Yep. IIRC, he said the area was prone to flooding. From my experiences living in Florida that means whenever it rains hard and an 'urban flood warning' is issued, there is a great chance that area will flood.

TS Fay dropping, IIRC, 15 inches of rain, on top of the normal summer rains, sunk the area for the whole summer.

it seems the summer rains in 2008 were actually higher than normal (even before fay came along).

the 2008 rainfall in the orlando area for june (7.95") was over twice as much it was in june 2007 (3.48"). no wonder the area was flooded

http://www.cityoforlando.net/public_works/stormwater/rain/rainfall.htm
April (2.84") May (1.58") June (7.95")
July (9.14") August (12.98") September (4.09")

[Dunlurken]

I meant how did the Padilla's and Baez hook up to bond Casey out?

My guess, and it's only speculation, was that LP saw what was going on with the disappearance of Caylee. He said to his nephew.... looks like some bucks here. $$$$$$$$ in his eyes.

However, when LP saw the truth in it's entirety, he said WHOA! Bigger than I thought. Let's back out. Could be more bucks if we do it differently. JMO and just speculation on my part.

don't get me wrong, I totally respect Leonard Padilla. Can't wait to see him on the stand without his hat, toothpick and knife in his belt. :laugh:

[Sun]

Tropical Storm Fay Batters Coastline, Shifts Inland To Remain Over Florida
Posted: 5:21 pm EDT August 18, 2008
Updated: 10:52 am EDT August 20, 2008
http://www.wftv.com/news/17225030/detail.html

Shoppers Load Up On Supplies As Fay Moves Closer
Posted: 6:52 am EDT August 18, 2008
http://www.wftv.com/news/17218595/detail.html

The video of Gale St. John's blind drive was around August 11....I think. They stated the woods off of Suburban already had standing water. jmo

ETA ~ Psychic-Led Team 'Blind Driving' Central Fla. To Find Missing Girl
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/17154890/detail.html
Thanks desmom for finding and posting these links. I sure needed to refresh my memories.

I must say, I am quite suspicious that in some way several different folks may have had been told the approximate location of where Caylee was. My thoughts still go back to the August 8th date that DCasey met with Baez and Casey at the jail. (I do believe that there are still important parts of the whole story that we do not have, that could be important at the trial).

[happygert]

I think she did have her out there...maybe not buried, but covered someway. I think when she discovered she was smelling, she knew she had to take her someplace else. I think that is when she put her in the trunk and took her to the woods.

The dogs hit on casey trunk, Caylee's sandbox, her playhouse and around the pool. IIRC somewhere by the pool the ground was disturbed.where it looked like someone was digging.. the spot wasn't very big. IMO she had her in the playhouse took her out and put her in the sandbox and covered her went to borrow neighbors shovel.. came back was going to bury her near pool and figured out it was going to be a lot of work..so then the next best thing was the wood where she buried her pets and partied..

[aproudmom]

now, mom - remember - per the defense, there was NO hurricane - it was a brief mist!:rolleyes:

oops my bad..lol..I just could not remember if it was Faye or another one..but a good rain I am sure pretty much soaks low ground areas there anyway..

[*Serenity*]

I thought I would crack up when George said on the stand yesterday that LP's reason for being there was to provide security for his family...wasn't that a hoot!!!


LMAO... and then the State ask George don't you work in the line of security and have a friend in LE that was willing to help you? paraphrasing....

[Julie Dupree]

Thanks desmom for finding and posting these links. I sure needed to refresh my memories.

I must say, I am quite suspicious that in some way several different folks may have had been told the approximate location of where Caylee was. My thoughts still go back to the August 8th date that DCasey met with Baez and Casey at the jail. (I do believe that there are still important parts of the whole story that we do not have, that could be important at the trial).

I do not think this conversation will ever make it to trial...regardless of what was discussed. I think they were discussing Caylee and where she was. Maybe Casey could not describe the exact location, but she gave him some pointers and landmarks...and that is what he was going on. I think he was talking to JB to check his memory of where to look.
JMO

[Sun]

Who was the dude that shook hands with Casey when she entered the courtroom. He had a grey beard, but was in the spectator stand. JMO. Looked familliar to me.

Perhaps you are referring to Todd Macaluso from California... he was not sitting in the spectator seats, but he was sitting in the row of chairs just behind Casey. Older fellow, grayish hair, I don't remember a beard though.

Contact of Casey is not allowed in any way from anyone in the courtroom, other then her own defense team and the baliffs. (I think)

[Julie Dupree]

LMAO... and then the State ask George don't you work in the line of security and have a friend in LE that was willing to help you? paraphrasing....

I am so looking forward to the time we hear her tear into Cindy:)
Happy days are here again!!!!

[Eagleeye]

You are correct Sat. Aug. 23, a year ago today.

Actually, Huricane Fay landed in Orlando on Aug. 21, 2008 dumping record amounts of water and cresting the St. John's River. The area where Caylee was found was under two feet of water when Tim Miller was there.

[Dunlurken]

I have a really dumb question, but it's something that's been nagging me. Is it possible, somehow, that George put Caylee in the "swamp"? The parents just seem too supportive of their daughter. Could Caylee have been killed the night of the "fight"? aka Father's Day.

[Julie Dupree]

Actually, Huricane Fay landed in Orlando on Aug. 21, 2008 dumping record amounts of water and cresting the St. John's River. The area where Caylee was found was under two feet of water when Tim Miller was there.

I didnt have 2 feet of water, but I do remember the rains lasting forever.

[Julie Dupree]

I have a really dumb question, but it's something that's been nagging me. Is it possible, somehow, that George put Caylee in the "swamp"? The parents just seem too supportive of their daughter. Could Caylee have been killed the night of the "fight"? aka Father's Day.

Do you think George would take the fall to save Casey?
Saying he dumped her there after Casey killed her.
Which one would be charged? and for what?

[5boxersmom]

Thanks desmom for finding and posting these links. I sure needed to refresh my memories.

I must say, I am quite suspicious that in some way several different folks may have had been told the approximate location of where Caylee was. My thoughts still go back to the August 8th date that DCasey met with Baez and Casey at the jail. (I do believe that there are still important parts of the whole story that we do not have, that could be important at the trial).

That is probably why DC didn't search the area until Nov because it was underwater. Makes me wonder how long they all knew she was there.

jmo

[Sun]

I do not think this conversation will ever make it to trial...regardless of what was discussed. I think they were discussing Caylee and where she was. Maybe Casey could not describe the exact location, but she gave him some pointers and landmarks...and that is what he was going on. I think he was talking to JB to check his memory of where to look.
JMO

You are right, that August 8th conversation would be covered by priviledge or work product and not be admissible to be used again Casey. I do wonder if actions that occured by another person (due to that conversation not remaining "secret" between Casey/Baez/DCasey), would be allowed to be heard by a jury. I have no idea how the law works in this regard.

[happygert]

The defense says Inmate Anthony did not kill Caylee because they have proof that Caylee was placed there while Casey was in jail... okay, but what about all the evidence in the trunk of Casey's car? The smell and fluid of decomposition? They hair with the death band on it? The laundry bag from the Anthony home that was found with the remains? I don't believe that Caylee was placed there while Inmate Anthony was in jail, but even if they could prove that, it does not disprove all of these other things.

jmo

2w4u.. jb and company are blowing smoke. they have so much against casey now.. and once the maggot evidence is released.. thats the last nail in casey coffin.. they are trying to say someone put her there after casey was in jail.. ok lets say someone did (we all know they didn't)
but just for sake of argument someone put Caylee there..big deal.. casey is the one who murdered her..who sent dc in the woods to get Caylee's little body? not once but 3 times? who told him to look by 3 pavers and in black trash bags? umm cindy.. so therefore in my mind that makes cindy just as guilty as casey.. ok the night lee and cindy made that 4 am run that no one seen. them. where was there phone pings at that time? ok only thing in my mind thats saying is lee and cindy helped move Caylee's body.. ok now can we charge lee, cindy and george for conspiracy? accessory after the fact? It all leads right back to their door step..

[Mamie]

Do you think George would take the fall to save Casey?

You are somethin' else, girl-----I love reading your posts!!

And yes, I do think he would be stupid enough to take the fall for her. JMO

[Eagleeye]

Do you think George would take the fall to save Casey?
Saying he dumped her there after Casey killed her.
Which one would be charged? and for what?

How can you ask that question, George already threw his own daughter Casey under the bus in his interview with the FBI and in the Grand Jury. Hell no he won't willingly take the fall for Casey, ex-cops don't do well in prison.

[Julie Dupree]

You are right, that August 8th conversation would be covered by priviledge or work product and not be admissible to be used again Casey. I do wonder if actions that occured by another person (due to that conversation not remaining "secret" between Casey/Baez/DCasey), would be allowed to be heard by a jury. I have no idea how the law works in this regard.

Where is Kat or Lapis when we need them:)

[happygert]

That is probably why DC didn't search the area until Nov because it was underwater. Makes me wonder how long they all knew she was there.

jmo

IMO they knew all long..

[Julie Dupree]

How can you ask that question, George already threw his own daughter Casey under the bus in his interview with the FBI and in the Grand Jury. Hell no he won't willingly take the fall for Casey, ex-cops don't do well in prison.

I wonder how far he will go to redeem himself from what he said in his earlier interviews and in front of the GJ.
His testimony now is 360 degrees different than it was then. My question is why?

[Dunlurken]

Do you think George would take the fall to save Casey?
Saying he dumped her there after Casey killed her.
Which one would be charged? and for what?

As I'm thinking this through, the day Casey came back and didn't want George to go into the trunk of her car, could it have been because Caylee was decomposing in the car? So "they" got rid of the body. I think it was June 24, but can't remember for sure.

JMO.

[happygert]

As I'm thinking this through, the day Casey came back and didn't want George to go into the trunk of her car, could it have been because Caylee was decomposing in the car? So "they" got rid of the body. I think it was June 24, but can't remember for sure.

JMO.

very good possibilty.. she didn't want him in her trunk..

[Sun]

I am so looking forward to the time we hear her tear into Cindy:)
Happy days are here again!!!!

Now settle down. LDB is not a magician. I doubt that she or anyone else will ever get the truth out of Cindy, or George for that matter.

From what little I have seen of LDB in the courtroom, I do think that a Jury will find it quite easy to listen to what she will say and ask of the witnesses. George and Cindy are the grandparents of the victim, so LDB will be tasked with not giving the jury the impression that she is beating up on them in an effort to get testimony out of them. The defense will try to attack everyone and all the evidence... so it's going to be quite a contrast between the sides.

[Eagleeye]

I wonder how far he will go to redeem himself from what he said in his earlier interviews and in front of the GJ.
His testimony now is 360 degrees different than it was then. My question is why?

I could be kind and say that he is misguided but you know me, I don't roll that way. He is an IDIOT and Cindy has a firm hold on his family jewels. :wink:

[Julie Dupree]

As I'm thinking this through, the day Casey came back and didn't want George to go into the trunk of her car, could it have been because Caylee was decomposing in the car? So "they" got rid of the body. I think it was June 24, but can't remember for sure.

JMO.

Had they planned on someone else being arrested after what they both said?
The kidnapping story was solid they thought. Everything pointed to Caylee being a "missing child" that had been kidnapped.
I wonder if after George had "told them like it is, I am being straight with you guys" and they still did not believe the kidnapping story, this is when he changed his story.

[Mel]

I thought I would crack up when George said on the stand yesterday that LP's reason for being there was to provide security for his family...wasn't that a hoot!!!

yes, i just listened to that part...why would he want to lie about that?...i'm confused on this...it's obvious with his further testimony he DID meet Padilla & his crew at some bldg, without Baez....GA knew Padilla was going to bail Casey out.....what am i missing here?

[Dunlurken]

Here's my bottom line. Casey did not dispose of the body alone. Caylee was killed in the home, hence the duct tape match, laundry bag, and heart stickers, etc.

someone is an accomplice to the disposal of the body and should be charged. George was home that day. No one else. Why does he keep blowing her kisses. Something is wrong and I'm not sure what it is.

:confused:

[Mamie]

I wonder how far he will go to redeem himself from what he said in his earlier interviews and in front of the GJ.
His testimony now is 360 degrees different than it was then. My question is why?

And that's exactly why I think he would take the fall for her. He's letting his heart get in the way of the truth. I don't think he's felt good about himself since that testimony back then. Cindy, is a whole other show----she'd never take anything on for anybody. JMO

[imc_e]

As I'm thinking this through, the day Casey came back and didn't want George to go into the trunk of her car, could it have been because Caylee was decomposing in the car? So "they" got rid of the body. I think it was June 24, but can't remember for sure.

JMO.

I remain suspicious of that as well.

Also How did George know that the car at the impond lot was out of gas, unless Casey told him.

The whole case could be a script written by the Anthonys.

YES it is possible that they are all in on it.

[Julie Dupree]

Now settle down. LDB is not a magician. I doubt that she or anyone else will ever get the truth out of Cindy, or George for that matter.

From what little I have seen of LDB in the courtroom, I do think that a Jury will find it quite easy to listen to what she will say and ask of the witnesses. George and Cindy are the grandparents of the victim, so LDB will be tasked with not giving the jury the impression that she is beating up on them in an effort to get testimony out of them. The defense will try to attack everyone and all the evidence... so it's going to be quite a contrast between the sides.

But cant I get a little excited....just a teny weny bit???

[Dunlurken]

Had they planned on someone else being arrested after what they both said?
The kidnapping story was solid they thought. Everything pointed to Caylee being a "missing child" that had been kidnapped.
I wonder if after George had "told them like it is, I am being straight with you guys" and they still did not believe the kidnapping story, this is when he changed his story.
George is former LE. He knows how to manipulate the system. JMO. No wonder he went psycho for a while. JMOA. :w00t:

[Julie Dupree]

yes, i just listened to that part...why would he want to lie about that?...i'm confused on this...it's obvious with his further testimony he DID meet Padilla & his crew at some bldg, without Baez....GA knew Padilla was going to bail Casey out.....what am i missing here?

George telling the truth.....which is not going to happen.

[AlohaRainbow]

yes. i find that kind of strange and sad, actually. friends can give you perspective on things - sometimes their opinions are not what you want to hear, but i think their input would help you see straight. it does with MY friends at any rate.

are the a's that isolated? are they that distrustful of others? did they have something to hide? they do NOW, of course.

who knows?:confused:

cindy's brother, rick, tried to give "tell it like it is" input to cindy... but it went over like a lead balloon.

[Julie Dupree]

George is former LE. He knows how to manipulate the system. JMO. No wonder he went psycho for a while. JMOA. :w00t:

Even that is debatable...I personally do not think he went psycho-I do not even think he was suicidal. I do think he was being very cunning, manipulative. Furthermore, I think he had a good acting coach on just what to say and how to act to convince others that you are sincerely depressed and want to die. How to recognize and deal with suicidal patients are a part of nursing school requirements.

[ttcRider]

cindy's brother, rick, tried to give "tell it like it is" input to cindy... but it went over like a lead balloon.

I was hoping that after their 're-baptism' we would see a different side of the A's. If the church can't help them nobody can! :laugh: The continuous lying really gets me :cursing: I'm not a religious person but thou shalt not lie rings a bell....:sneaky:

[Dunlurken]

Even that is debatable...I personally do not think he went psycho-I do not even think he was suicidal. I do think he was being very cunning, manipulative. Furthermore, I think he had a good acting coach on just what to say and how to act to convince others that you are sincerely depressed and want to die. How to recognize and deal with suicidal patients are a part of nursing school requirements.

I'll betcha George was the one who told Cindy to wash the clothes that were in Casey's trunk when they picked up the car. JMO.

[Julie Dupree]

I'll betcha George was the one who told Cindy to wash the clothes that were in Casey's trunk when they picked up the car. JMO.


I think if we really knew 100% of everything that happened, we would be shocked at how much participation George really had in all of this. I know Cindy is a very strong woman, but I am beginning to think that George may not be the pansy I at first thought he was.

[Sun]

Originally Posted by Dunlurken
As I'm thinking this through, the day Casey came back and didn't want George to go into the trunk of her car, could it have been because Caylee was decomposing in the car? So "they" got rid of the body. I think it was June 24, but can't remember for sure.

JMO.

There is some indication that Casey ran out of gas on Friday June 20. And, it seems like TL and Casey got the gas cans on June 23. It's my opinion that Caylee was not in the trunk of Casey's car while it sat on a side street out of gas. Casey didn't appear to be in any hurry to retrieve it. I think that sometime before running out of gas on June 20th, Casey removed Caylee from the trunk. Was she dumped out on Suburban Drive? Was she hidden in the Anthonys' back yard? I don't know.

[*Serenity*]

That is probably why DC didn't search the area until Nov because it was underwater. Makes me wonder how long they all knew she was there.

jmo

Well with Casey's clues and half-truths she did keep telling them she felt in her gut that Caylee close to home.

Then she gave Lee the clue about places very familiar to them and the family.

I know they knew and then the school friend that told about their hang-out.

[*Serenity*]

When George kept saying Caylee had been moved 9 times... wonder what he really meant by that statement. With their twisted way of talking makes me wonder.

[*Serenity*]

There is some indication that Casey ran out of gas on Friday June 20. And, it seems like TL and Casey got the gas cans on June 23. It's my opinion that Caylee was not in the trunk of Casey's car while it sat on a side street out of gas. Casey didn't appear to be in any hurry to retrieve it. I think that sometime before running out of gas on June 20th, Casey removed Caylee from the trunk. Was she dumped out on Suburban Drive? Was she hidden in the Anthonys' back yard? I don't know.

I'll never forget the Anthony's searching their own backyard for Caylee.
They knew she was dead, it is just not normal for grandparents to immediately search their own backyard.

[5boxersmom]

Well with Casey's clues and half-truths she did keep telling them she felt in her gut that Caylee close to home.

Then she gave Lee the clue about places very familiar to them and the family.

I know they knew and then the school friend that told about their hang-out.

Yep and the name ZG, being the names of the two people at the end of the street.

She was probably thinking Geez can't you people figure out anything? What a waste. :rolleyes:

[Citygirl]

I sure want CA and GA to pay for their crimes too..they knew soon that Caylee was dead at the hands of their daughter..do any of you think LE has enough proof to charge them down the line and that they may wind up in jail too..

[Julie Dupree]

You are somethin' else, girl-----I love reading your posts!!

And yes, I do think he would be stupid enough to take the fall for her. JMO

:blushing:really?
I love my chat time here with everyone, including you:)

[Barbara fl.]

There is some indication that Casey ran out of gas on Friday June 20. And, it seems like TL and Casey got the gas cans on June 23. It's my opinion that Caylee was not in the trunk of Casey's car while it sat on a side street out of gas. Casey didn't appear to be in any hurry to retrieve it. I think that sometime before running out of gas on June 20th, Casey removed Caylee from the trunk. Was she dumped out on Suburban Drive? Was she hidden in the Anthonys' back yard? I don't know.


I agree with that, I believe she got rid of the body right after she came so close to George finding it in her trunk...I believe Casey immedialtely dumped the body in fear that George had become somewhat wise to something being in the trunk and would follow her.....so in a hurry she threw it down the corner of her home....Then she probably never had the chance to move it...then the storm came and water logged the area..and before the area was cleared, Casey was arrested....

[Dunlurken]

I sure want CA and GA to pay for their crimes too..they knew soon that Caylee was dead at the hands of their daughter..do any of you think LE has enough proof to charge them down the line and that they may wind up in jail too..
We shall see. It was obviously a cover up. George said he saw Caylee and Casey leaving at 1:00 p.m. while he was watching his cooking show. Nah..... not buying it anymore. Too much more evidence has come forward. JMO.

Wouldn't surprise me if they said, take off.... we will cover your butt. JMO.

[Dells]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWhFeHz5aRI

Here you go Julie... the video from this morning with Tony Padilla.

Thanks so much for the link. :seeya: I really liked the legal analyst and agreed w/much of what she had to say. I like how she called the defense out on trying the case in the media when they said they weren't going to do that. She said it was disingenuous of them, which I absolutely agree with.

[happygert]

hey happy! I know either it was Casey that placed all that evidence there or it was one of or all three of the others. I just keep coming back to George saying how many timed the kidnappers had moved Caylee and that he had been to all, what was it? 9 places? But Caylee was not in the trunk at the tow yard.

jmo

Yep 9 times he never once called LE, FBI, or went and got her himself or sent anyone there.. does he realize how STUPID that statement made him LOOK.. he looked like a total idiot!.. oh yes we know where Caylee is and she's been moved 9 times now.. what go get her hell no were just gonna watch and see how many times they can move her.. What call LE or FBI are you crazy? why would we do that.. she only 2 we would n't want FBI or LE to get her.. then there goes our money..how stupid does george think we are..mo...

[Postergeist]

did you notice the finger in the eye also..I keep saying it was more of watery eyes..I think it was staged..but that is just MO

hi ya- was George still on the stand when Casey was using her Lee finger to wipe her eye?

Just was wondering, if he was, why he didn't consider that as shooting him the bird. :confused:

Image 7 of Casey yesterday

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-casey-anthony-trial-photos,0,7769386.photogallery



***And if the defense/parents are reading here- May I Just Suggest-

they do make shirts and blouses for women

without buttons

I know for a fact that Penney's does, just please stay out of the Junior Dept. and Petites for now.

thank you

[Barbara fl.]

I sure want CA and GA to pay for their crimes too..they knew soon that Caylee was dead at the hands of their daughter..do any of you think LE has enough proof to charge them down the line and that they may wind up in jail too..

I doubt they they will be charged with anything because LE has the killer (Casey)...however, if it comes to light that C & G knew where the body was and kept it a secret, they may be able to be charged...But I truly doubt they will be....this case got too big, and the one who murdered Caylee is behind bars....

Cindy and George will have to live with themselves for not wanting to put Caylee to rest sooner then when she was found...but I don't think that LE will go there with the case....JMO

[Sun]

I think if we really knew 100% of everything that happened, we would be shocked at how much participation George really had in all of this. I know Cindy is a very strong woman, but I am beginning to think that George may not be the pansy I at first thought he was.

The trial is still a long way off. More lies will be uncovered, IMO. Never will the truth be 100% known. Not in our wildest of dreams.

IMO, the waiting for the trial to happen is a huge factor in the stress that George and Cindy are feeling. They know more. They just don't know how much more that we will know. They don't want us to know.

[Barbara fl.]

Yep 9 times he never once called LE, FBI, or went and got her himself or sent anyone there.. does he realize how STUPID that statement made him LOOK.. he looked like a total idiot!.. oh yes we know where Caylee is and she's been moved 9 times now.. what go get her hell no were just gonna watch and see how many times they can move her.. What call LE or FBI are you crazy? why would we do that.. she only 2 we would n't want FBI or LE to get her.. then there goes our money..how stupid does george think we are..mo...


You are so right...the Anthony's went directly into cover up mode the minute they came to terms that Casey had indeed murdered Caylee...It wouldn't have taken a rocket scientist to figure it out....gone for 31 days, odor of death in car, and no Caylee, can;t get a solid answer from Casey.....Yah, they knew immediately.....

[Dunlurken]

The right person is behind bars. If it was an accident, she should have come forward and said so. Called 911, etc. JMO. Obviously premeditated based on the computer searches.

Later peeps!

[happygert]

Yeah and then he said the kidnappers were begin watched and we all hooted because they were the ones all over the news. And we were all watching...THEM!:w00t:

yep... they should have taken Rick and Shirley's advice and stayed off the TV's...

[Julie Dupree]

Thanks so much for the link. :seeya: I really liked the legal analyst and agreed w/much of what she had to say. I like how she called the defense out on trying the case in the media when they said they weren't going to do that. She said it was disingenuous of them, which I absolutely agree with.

Thank you so much for posting that link Sun...I completely missed it. My DSL went down this morning so I was without my computer for a few hours.
And Thank You Dells, for letting me know that Sun had given it to me.
:) I really like this legal eagle..she is one smart lady.

[adair]

Im a little fuzzy on if the judge ruled on that. Did he say they could get info on the 32? Is he still thinking about it?



The defense just might have this bite them in the arse when these people say that could not search that area due to it being underwater/heavy brush as in the letter posted earlier.

[Mel]

I have a really dumb question, but it's something that's been nagging me. Is it possible, somehow, that George put Caylee in the "swamp"? The parents just seem too supportive of their daughter. Could Caylee have been killed the night of the "fight"? aka Father's Day.

but why wait a month to report her missing??..how does that fit?

[Dells]

(el snip-o, respectfully, of course)
scamp, unless they have ACTUAL FOOTAGE of him googling chloroform, it ain't gonna fly. not only that, wasn't it determined that, due to the condition poor caylee was in, use of chloroform could not definitely be determined? so, even if he DID google chloroform, so what? it was not proven to be the cause of death.

Weintraub and Franko both had it wrong on JVM last night. The searches for chloroform were done in March, way before Casey even met TonE. I can see the defense trying to distort the truth, but it really makes me angry when these TH's go on these talk shows and spread misinformation.:thumbdown:

[Julie Dupree]

hi ya- was George still on the stand when Casey was using her Lee finger to wipe her eye?

Just was wondering, if he was, why he didn't consider that as shooting him the bird. :confused:

Image 7 of Casey yesterday

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-casey-anthony-trial-photos,0,7769386.photogallery




***And if the defense/parents are reading here- May I Just Suggest-

they do make shirts and blouses for women

without buttons

I know for a fact that Penney's does, just please stay out of the Junior Dept. and Petites for now.

thank you

Postie...I had not noticed that....but look at picture #7...she sure is showing GA the finger he does not want to see.

[adair]

Thanks for the link Sun. I have the Today Show on but somehow missed that.

Did you also read Tony Padilla's comments over at WS last night? He's a strange one IMO.

He says he loves the Anthonys and still keeps in contact with them.

He said he knows George lied on the stand yesterday (WHAT???) but that doesn't make him a bad person.

Now he's saying Casey is a nice person also eh? Doesn't seem to take much to impress this guy.


The following is my opinion only, a fellow poster on another message board claimed (as i have no proof of this) to have interviewed Richard Remaraz (sp?) Known as the night stalker. He said that RM was the nicest person, polite, intelligent.....nothing that he expected. I am not surprised that he thought kc was nice.....what was she going to act like? She was on her very best behavior...jmooo. IMO she is a psychopath and will act as sweet as pie if need be. moo

[Dells]

For the life of me, I just can't imagine how or why the defense would think that throughing Tony under the bus is the solution! Doesn't his client say that ZFG and her sister were the ones to take her from the apartment/park? How does Baez think that ANY jury is going to buy into that theory!!! What fools???

I think the defense just wants to confuse the jury and right now they are trying to confuse the general public w/their far fetched and implausible defense theories.

They don't care who they hurt, who they implicate, whose life they ruin. They blame anybody and everybody except Casey. I am sure that Casey is of the mindset that if she is going down she is going to take as many people w/her as possible.

It's disgusting and deplorable to me. If Casey was so innocent, her defense team wouldn't have to try to find someone else to "fit" the evidence in this case. If Casey was so innocent she could go to LE right now and name the person that took her daughter from her.

[martha]

I doubt they they will be charged with anything because LE has the killer (Casey)...however, if it comes to light that C & G knew where the body was and kept it a secret, they may be able to be charged...But I truly doubt they will be....this case got too big, and the one who murdered Caylee is behind bars....

Cindy and George will have to live with themselves for not wanting to put Caylee to rest sooner then when she was found...but I don't think that LE will go there with the case....JMO You or so right as long as they have the right one behind bars I am ok with it. I do want to see a trial one day. I really don;t think any of the def.mess will fly. g and c and lee all have known from the day they picked up the car that CAYLEE was dead and casey did it. I doubt that any charges will be filed ag them. I do know they will have to live with them selfs and believe me some of the mistakes we make in life we sure wish we could forget but we never can and we can;t go back and do it right. I have never done anything close to this but I do know I have made some bad choices in my time. I wonder sometimes how I could have been so stupid but only God can forgive me and I have to live with these things until I die. So will the an;s family. I cant see them ever having any peace in their life again. just knowing what your daughter did to your sweet little gb that had done nothing to anyone. Caylee just loved them all and look what she got from casey.breaks my heart.jmho