8/22, 8/23

[Mel]

so the fraud charge is still up in the air...i tend to agree with Amy's atty...this needs to be settled..why does it need to wait till after the murder trial?

[Dells]

oh ITA and I hope they do so she has not one thing to get a appeal but I think she is going away and I think they messed up not going with the insanity thing from the get go even though I don't think it would have worked they were stupid not to..IMO

I think their biggest mistake was not trying for some sort of plea deal in the beginning, before Caylee's body was found. Their only hope now is a hung jury as I just cannot see a jury acquitting Casey. With the defense team's smoke and mirrors they can maybe get to 1 or possibly 2 jurors. But in the event of a hung jury, the case will just be retried and ultimately Casey will pay dearly for what she did to Caylee.

[Julie Dupree]

if casey did not do this why is g and c not looking for the nanny? if it were me and i really believed my daughter I would not stop until I found the nanny. I would find her and drag her by her hair to the le.jmho

:)Ms Martha you are much more aggressive than I thought you were. But, I have to say, you would have lots of people standing on the side lines cheering you ever step of the way.

[5boxersmom]

I remember the same things going on with SP. Defense trying to prove Laci had not been in the water as long as she was, saying Conner was born before Laci died. All that stuff. Just scraping the bottom of the barrel. I try to remember this when I think Casey may walk.

jmo

[Julie Dupree]

i agree...i've always found GA's facial expressions to be strange...the way he moves his mouth in & out, the strange faces, looking up, looking down...hard to read him, imo.....i believe part of it's an act

Mel, I think most of it is an act.
If you notice he only does this when he is talking with someone he doesn't want to speak with about things he doesn't want to discuss.

[imc_e]

This make me think of the phone call someone posted the other day, the message that CA left for Tim Miller, threatening him Never Mess with an Anothny, or however they spell their name:sneaky:.....is this their way of getting back at TL for going undercover for LE??

just something to think about.........jmo

I realized that very thing yesterday.

Cindy threatened Tim, and now they followed through, probably trying to ruin his searching team.

Cindy was way TOO smug yesterday too.

[iluvmua]

IF Casey does walk ( and this is a big IF)I have no doubt that someone would try to kill her.

[adair]

if casey did not do this why is g and c not looking for the nanny? if it were me and i really believed my daughter I would not stop until I found the nanny. I would find her and drag her by her hair to the le.jmho


So why send Lee to look for KC, why not send Lee to the addresses she had of the nanny???? Sounds logical to me.

moo

[imc_e]

Cindy threatens Tim Miller.

I will OUT you!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll7W9QRGo9Y&feature=related

[Julie Dupree]

IF Casey does walk ( and this is a big IF)I have no doubt that someone would try to kill her.

She had best stay away from Ms Martha if she wants to keep her hair:)OOPPPSSS!
I just realized that Ms Martha was referring to the nanny that G and C should be looking for.
But, I bet if she could, she wouldn't mind doing this to Casey as well.

[Sun]

This just made me think of something. What if the defense want to look at the list and see if any of Casey's one time friends were on the list so that they can claim it was them that placed all that evidence there? Weren't some of her friends at that point helping search?

just wondering.

You know what I'd really like to see. Casey's DNA or fingerprints on that Whitney laundry bag or the duct tape. Or Casey's DNA found on an item (like those paper towels) that contained evidence of a dead body.

[happygert]

Just found this... sickening! must have took a page from casey..not one baby in a plastic bag in a trunk but two babies in plastic bags and charged with another one in plastic bag who she left to freeze to death..

What the he*l is worng with these girls..

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_6316b860-8b66-11de-a8c1-001cc4c002e0.html

[adair]

Cindy threatens Tim Miller.

I will OUT you!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll7W9QRGo9Y&feature=related



Thanks for that Link.......true colors of Cindy.:sneaky: Evil IMO

Accusing him of stealing $. I wish he could sue her for slander.

Its about time someone ended the A charade. JMO

[Mel]

I remember the same things going on with SP. Defense trying to prove Laci had not been in the water as long as she was, saying Conner was born before Laci died. All that stuff. Just scraping the bottom of the barrel. I try to remember this when I think Casey may walk.

jmo

oh yes!...throw it all against the wall, & see if anything sticks..drives me nuts sometimes!

[imc_e]

Thanks for that Link.......true colors of Cindy.:sneaky: Evil IMO

Accusing him of stealing $. I wish he could sue her for slander.

Its about time someone ended the A charade. JMO

The TRUTH about Tim Miller, and where he searched..as WE know it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raHlPVJEabU&NR=1

[Explorer]

Who won the most points yesterday defense or pro?

[tulpje]

Cindy threatens Tim Miller.

I will OUT you!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll7W9QRGo9Y&feature=related



That does not even sound like Cindy.

:confused:

[happygert]

You know what I'd really like to see. Casey's DNA or fingerprints on that Whitney laundry bag or the duct tape. Or Casey's DNA found on an item (like those paper towels) that contained evidence of a dead body.

Sun, I think casey's fingerprints are on that duct tape.. they listed all the rest of the A' as not being on there but they NEVER EXCLUDED casey's prints as being on there..not one word whether hers were there or NOT there.. to me thats a give away...also hoping some of casey's hair or fibers from clothes of casey's is on there..IMO someones is on that tape..and that someones are casey's..they never said ther wasn't any prints found at all..

[Mel]

Thanks for that Link.......true colors of Cindy.:sneaky: Evil IMO

Accusing him of stealing $. I wish he could sue her for slander.

Its about time someone ended the A charade. JMO

wow, i'd never heard this before now:ohmy:

[happygert]

Who won the most points yesterday defense or pro?

pro.... cant wait until the rulings come down...hopefully first part of the week..

[sammy62]

Here's my bottom line. Casey did not dispose of the body alone. Caylee was killed in the home, hence the duct tape match, laundry bag, and heart stickers, etc.

someone is an accomplice to the disposal of the body and should be charged. George was home that day. No one else. Why does he keep blowing her kisses. Something is wrong and I'm not sure what it is.

:confused:

My "ick" meter goes off every time George treats Casey inappropriately.
I guess I compare them to my midwest upbringing. But "gorgeous, beautiful, blowing kisses" ICK:thumbdown:

[Julie Dupree]

Sun, I think casey's fingerprints are on that duct tape.. they listed all the rest of the A' as not being on there but they NEVER EXCLUDED casey's prints as being on there..not one word whether hers were there or NOT there.. to me thats a give away...also hoping some of casey's hair or fibers from clothes of casey's is on there..IMO someones is on that tape..and that someones are casey's..they never said ther wasn't any prints found at all..

Gert, I think this was the determining factor for them to put the DP back on the table. I think after they got this, they knew exactly who did it. JMO

[Explorer]

My "ick" meter goes off every time George treats Casey inappropriately.
I guess I compare them to my midwest upbringing. But "gorgeous, beautiful, blowing kisses" ICK:thumbdown:

Drama when none should exist.

[imc_e]

Tim Miller Part II

regarding the area where Caylee's body was found.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-P2NEQz17s&feature=related

[Julie Dupree]

Who won the most points yesterday defense or pro?

I just want the rulings that Judge Strickland makes will be fair to the integrity of the trial. I do not want to leave any doubt lingering that will be shot down on appeal.
If the defense wins some points, and it was the right thing to do, that is OK with me.
If the prosecution wins some points, and it was the right thing to do, that is OK with me also.

[5boxersmom]

wow, i'd never heard this before now:ohmy:

Oh yeah. She accused him but the truth was Staples donated supplies to TES George went to pick them up and never gave them to Tim. Tim then had to go buy supplies. I remember this being said when the first search was going on.

jmo

[tmw]

WHY don't these people GO SEE their daughter?? They are afraid of their visit being made public?? Thats's selfish and stupid. They could talk about pork rinds vs. Little Debbies!

[court~critic1®]

Who won the most points yesterday defense or pro?


Sorry to say, imoho the defense. Thanks to this judge. He will also continue to give in to the defense. He needs a back bone and stand up to them for a change. I don't see it happening though. He scares the bejebbies out of me. Although the way things are going he may have retired by the time this goes to trial.

Oh lord wait untill Lyon turns on the waterworks, he will just melt.

[Explorer]

What a mess its hard to believe that one kook could have an effect on so many people. Innocent good people.

[happygert]

Gert, I think this was the determining factor for them to put the DP back on the table. I think after they got this, they knew exactly who did it. JMO

It very well could be.. also I was thinking the maggot evidence .. I think the may have got a phone call saying dna evidence from maggots came back as Caylee's...

One more thing.. yesterday jb and company was trying to say Caylee's body was throwed there after casey was in jail.. However the evidence from plants and roots growing threw the bag and her skull show different.. In didnt knowuntil yesterday.. but the FBI or some LE.. recreated the scene..so they know how long that body was in those woods.. They know exactly how long it took everything they found to grow threw the bags and her bones..

[Sun]

Can anyone tell that I am growing impatient just waiting for a trial to happen? I know that we won't get to see everything until the trial, and I want to know it NOW!

If I feel like this, can you just imagine how Cindy and George may be feeling? They are the ones living lies. They potentially could still be charged. ...maybe I like all this waiting. Afterall, Casey is behind bars and isn't going anywhere.

[Mel]

Sun, I think casey's fingerprints are on that duct tape.. they listed all the rest of the A' as not being on there but they NEVER EXCLUDED casey's prints as being on there..not one word whether hers were there or NOT there.. to me thats a give away...also hoping some of casey's hair or fibers from clothes of casey's is on there..IMO someones is on that tape..and that someones are casey's..they never said ther wasn't any prints found at all..

yep...i also think her prints are on the tape!

[adair]

I am going with the test done at The Body Farm on the trunk evidence which puts decomp at 2.6 days, meaning the chemical composition (emyzes present,etc) is equal to that present after death occurred at that point in time.

Time 0 (0 hours)=terminal event,->(measurable chemical reactions of death occur)-> Time 2.6 days (62.4 hours).

I understand this to mean that the body was removed from the trunk at this point and time, +/- statistical error noted.

I believe Casey killed Caylee with the duct tape to silence her so she could spend FD night talking and texting to Tone.
I don't know where she did this, but she placed Caylee in the trunk at some point between death and 2.6 days.
I side with Mark Furhman that the quick succession of calls Casey made to C&G are key. If George is telling the truth, death occurred after he saw them at 12:50pm.
I don't believe George and feel Caylee was killed that night or sometime during the early morning prior .
The seemingly frantic flurry of calls that Monday were Casey's best chance of saying that there had been a terrible accident at home and she panicked. Instead she came up with the foolish nanny story.
The first flurry of calls on the 16th were to see where Cindy and George were located so that Casey could enter or leave the home with a now dead Caylee. I believe the flurry of calls on the 18th were to see if it was safe to return to bury Caylee. She borrows the shovel, changes her mind, and returns the shovel. I cannot determine if Caylee was on the property from the time of the event or if she was moved around the yard as Casey was attempting to find a suitable site.

I believe The Body Farm tests indicate that poor Caylee was removed from the trunk shortly there after.

I believe that the fight with Cindy on FD night was the precipitating event, that Casey did the deed and that she immediately sought her comfort focusing solely on her new boyfriend and the fantasy life she projected for her self now that she was no longer tied down to her daughter or her parents demands.


Great Post....

[Mel]

Can anyone tell that I am growing impatient just waiting for a trial to happen? I know that we won't get to see everything until the trial, and I want to know it NOW!

If I feel like this, can you just imagine how Cindy and George may be feeling? They are the ones living lies. They potentially could still be charged. ...maybe I like all this waiting. Afterall, Casey is behind bars and isn't going anywhere.

i can only imagine what that house is like, when the two of them are alone...i wouldn't want to show my face at the grocery store, if i were Cindy..i wonder how people treat her, out & about, at places...the grocer, drug store, the bank, post office, etc....i understand the clerks would be civil, but i can only imagine some of the remarks, or faces made when Cindy's around....jmo

[Barbara fl.]

if casey did not do this why is g and c not looking for the nanny? if it were me and i really believed my daughter I would not stop until I found the nanny. I would find her and drag her by her hair to the le.jmho



Because they know the murderer is behind bars...anything that they could possibly do at this time would only make matters worse for their prescious murdering daughter...I'm sure they were advised not to speak to the media at all....But nothing is going to help her....


The defense's new theory is that someone else put the body there after Casey was in jail....Now, how in the world do they expect to prove tha? I wouldn't care if all 32 searchers claim t have checked the area and come up empty handed, it still will not prove that the body wasn't there...The forensics show that the body was there for a substantial amount of time..

Now, think about...If Casey was in jail when the body was placed there....How did this person get past the crowd and the media and the police to put it there...the Anthony's house was covered with people....

The vegitation had grown thru the skelton and the bags, wildlife had gotten to it....so how could all this have taken place down the street with so many people around....it's obvious that the body had been there for awhile, way before the arrest...

They are pulling straws...they have NO defense for this murderer...so Cindy can stop smiling now, because daughter is going byby..

[AnnInOhio]

Sorry to say, imoho the defense. Thanks to this judge. He will also continue to give in to the defense. He needs a back bone and stand up to them for a change. I don't see it happening though. He scares the bejebbies out of me. Although the way things are going he may have retired by the time this goes to trial.

Oh lord wait untill Lyon turns on the waterworks, he will just melt.

I say give it to 'em. Give the defense everything it wants and let there be no doubt Casey had every possible chance to clear herself. The defense will never, IMO, be able to hurdle her actions for 30 days while she "knew" her daughter was "missing", the tattoo, the multiple stories about non-existent people and jobs, the forensics, the items from the Anthony home, the phone records and cell tower pings tracking her whereabouts. Give them anythng the defense wants because there is nothing that is going to trump the cold, uncaring actions and mountain of evidence against Casey Anthony.

[happygert]

Oh yeah. She accused him but the truth was Staples donated supplies to TES George went to pick them up and never gave them to Tim. Tim then had to go buy supplies. I remember this being said when the first search was going on.

jmo

$1500 dollars worth of supplies george kept.. donations was for TES cindy wanted that money..she accused him of stealing it.. it wasn't hers.. she threw such a fit that people who donated money to TES made nasty phone calls and e-mails to him.. they wanted all there donations back.. TES had to hire more people to handle phone calls and emails.. Tim gave her the money she threw a fit about..IT WASN"T HERS to begin with but she got it.. IT was for TES...cindy never used 1 cent of the donations to even buy the searchers a bottle of water she kept every penny and used it for her own bills and whatever else she wanted..

[Julie Dupree]

It very well could be.. also I was thinking the maggot evidence .. I think the may have got a phone call saying dna evidence from maggots came back as Caylee's...

One more thing.. yesterday jb and company was trying to say Caylee's body was throwed there after casey was in jail.. However the evidence from plants and roots growing threw the bag and her skull show different.. In didnt knowuntil yesterday.. but the FBI or some LE.. recreated the scene..so they know how long that body was in those woods.. They know exactly how long it took everything they found to grow threw the bags and her bones..

The maggot evidence may be the "smoking gun", but I tend to think it will be fingerprints, or other such evidence, that will be the irrefutable evidence that hangs Casey.

[Mel]

Oh yeah. She accused him but the truth was Staples donated supplies to TES George went to pick them up and never gave them to Tim. Tim then had to go buy supplies. I remember this being said when the first search was going on.

jmo

somehow this doesn't surprise me...the nerve!

[AnnInOhio]

Because they know the murderer is behind bars...anything that they could possibly do at this time would only make matters worse for their prescious murdering daughter...I'm sure they were advised not to speak to the media at all....But nothing is going to help her....


The defense's new theory is that someone else put the body there after Casey was in jail....Now, how in the world do they expect to prove tha? I wouldn't care if all 32 searchers claim t have checked the area and come up empty handed, it still will not prove that the body wasn't there...The forensics show that the body was there for a substantial amount of time..

Now, think about...If Casey was in jail when the body was placed there....How did this person get past the crowd and the media and the police to put it there...the Anthony's house was covered with people....

The vegitation had grown thru the skelton and the bags, wildlife had gotten to it....so how could all this have taken place down the street with so many people around....it's obvious that the body had been there for awhile, way before the arrest...

They are pulling straws...they have NO defense for this murderer...so Cindy can stop smiling now, because daughter is going byby..

So what IF they convince a jury somebody could have put the body there while Casey was in jail? That's after the fact. If somebody helped Casey dispose of the body it still doesn't explain away all the evidence against Casey that came BEFORE she was in jail! If the defense wants to try to hang somebody besides Casey the most it will look like is an accomplice after-the-fact. Desecration of a corpse or something like that. If the Anthonys or anyone else helped her try to hide what she did I hope it DOES come out!

[Barbara fl.]

I say give it to 'em. Give the defense everything it wants and let there be no doubt Casey had every possible chance to clear herself. The defense will never, IMO, be able to hurdle her actions for 30 days while she "knew" her daughter was "missing", the tattoo, the multiple stories about non-existent people and jobs, the forensics, the items from the Anthony home, the phone records and cell tower pings tracking her whereabouts. Give them anythng the defense wants because there is nothing that is going to trump the cold, uncaring actions and mountain of evidence against Casey Anthony.

I agree with you...give them everything they ask for so no grounds for an appeal....and I truly doubt that Lyons' performace will get to the juror's, she can fall on the floor crying and she can even throw in a tantrum or 2, it's not going to do a bit of good....

And Casey looks raggard...I do believe jail is taking a toll on her..:sad: , isn't that too bad....wait till she gets to the BIG house.....:scared:

[adair]

Can anyone tell that I am growing impatient just waiting for a trial to happen? I know that we won't get to see everything until the trial, and I want to know it NOW!

If I feel like this, can you just imagine how Cindy and George may be feeling? They are the ones living lies. They potentially could still be charged. ...maybe I like all this waiting. Afterall, Casey is behind bars and isn't going anywhere.

I hate to say this, but after each c,g,l are on the stand, the pros does not release them, meaning that they may be called back on the stand. If this happens, i do not believe that they can be in the court room until they are released. And that my friends, I believe will drive C nuts. jmo

[Barbara fl.]

So what IF they convince a jury somebody could have put the body there while Casey was in jail? That's after the fact. If somebody helped Casey dispose of the body it still doesn't explain away all the evidence against Casey that came BEFORE she was in jail! If the defense wants to try to hang somebody besides Casey the most it will look like is an accomplice after-the-fact. Desecration of a corpse or something like that. If the Anthonys or anyone else helped her try to hide what she did I hope it DOES come out!


I totally agree...nothing is going to prove that Casey didn't murder Caylee..everything points to her...But to be perfectly honest, I dubt very much that she had help in dumping the body down the street from where she lived....I doubt that anyone would have done that for Casey....If her parents had know before tha 911 call that would be different, but once that 911 call was made, the area was samped with police, media and on lookers....just no way that Caylee's remains were put there after Casey went to jail...JMHO

[Julie Dupree]

I hate to say this, but after each c,g,l are on the stand, the pros does not release them, meaning that they may be called back on the stand. If this happens, i do not believe that they can be in the court room until they are released. And that my friends, I believe will drive C nuts. jmo


(whispers to Sun....can I get excited about this!!! Huh????)

[Mel]

I say give it to 'em. Give the defense everything it wants and let there be no doubt Casey had every possible chance to clear herself. The defense will never, IMO, be able to hurdle her actions for 30 days while she "knew" her daughter was "missing", the tattoo, the multiple stories about non-existent people and jobs, the forensics, the items from the Anthony home, the phone records and cell tower pings tracking her whereabouts. Give them anythng the defense wants because there is nothing that is going to trump the cold, uncaring actions and mountain of evidence against Casey Anthony.

i agree...i was thinking the same thing a few minutes ago, while watching yesterday's hearing....i think the judge knows what he's doing....& i agree also, her actions in those 30 days speaks loud & clear..

[AnnInOhio]

Exactly. Great way to put it Annie!

I am fed up with that heifer's refusal to plead guilty to even the check charge where they've got her dead-to-rights. The defense notion that it was no harm, no foul because Casey paid them back. Pfft! With money from her non-existant job? Casey HAS no money of her own; any money she has had was given to her or stolen from others. Casey's done NOTHING but send a feeble "I'm sorry" through third parties.

[Barbara fl.]

WHY don't these people GO SEE their daughter?? They are afraid of their visit being made public?? Thats's selfish and stupid. They could talk about pork rinds vs. Little Debbies!

Exactly....I think they are staying away because Baez wants them to, he don't trust what they will say or try to say in code (like Lee was doing when he visited his sister)...The Antony's think they are smarter than anyone else...they will try and tell Casey something, they wouldn't be able to help themselves (especially Cindy)....But I also think that Casey doesn't want to see Cindy because she show contempt towards Cindy and I believe it's due to Cindy calling 911...along with a long time fued between them...

[Julie Dupree]

I totally agree...nothing is going to prove that Casey didn't murder Caylee..everything points to her...But to be perfectly honest, I dubt very much that she had help in dumping the body down the street from where she lived....I doubt that anyone would have done that for Casey....If her parents had know before tha 911 call that would be different, but once that 911 call was made, the area was samped with police, media and on lookers....just no way that Caylee's remains were put there after Casey went to jail...JMHO

Which raises another question...wonder if Cindy is the one that didn't know that George and possibly Lee helped her get rid of the body. That is why she called 911 before she spoke with George, (I dont think she would have called 911 had she known about Caylee) and why George sent Lee over to the house to be with Cindy.

[5boxersmom]

$1500 dollars worth of supplies george kept.. donations was for TES cindy wanted that money..she accused him of stealing it.. it wasn't hers.. she threw such a fit that people who donated money to TES made nasty phone calls and e-mails to him.. they wanted all there donations back.. TES had to hire more people to handle phone calls and emails.. Tim gave her the money she threw a fit about..IT WASN"T HERS to begin with but she got it.. IT was for TES...cindy never used 1 cent of the donations to even buy the searchers a bottle of water she kept every penny and used it for her own bills and whatever else she wanted..

Yep I got an email from TES asking if I wanted my donation back.

[happygert]

The maggot evidence may be the "smoking gun", but I tend to think it will be fingerprints, or other such evidence, that will be the irrefutable evidence that hangs Casey.

You may be right. That may be the smoking gun.. that proves she and she alone taped Caylee's nose and mouth.. and.she killed her... I think everything the DA's have will be nail after nail until her coffin his nail shut.. with eveything combined....

[Barbara fl.]

I hate to say this, but after each c,g,l are on the stand, the pros does not release them, meaning that they may be called back on the stand. If this happens, i do not believe that they can be in the court room until they are released. And that my friends, I believe will drive C nuts. jmo

That is correct...one witness can not hear what another witness is saying on the stand, so if Cindy is not released she will have to wait outside...

[AnnInOhio]

I totally agree...nothing is going to prove that Casey didn't murder Caylee..everything points to her...But to be perfectly honest, I dubt very much that she had help in dumping the body down the street from where she lived....I doubt that anyone would have done that for Casey....If her parents had know before tha 911 call that would be different, but once that 911 call was made, the area was samped with police, media and on lookers....just no way that Caylee's remains were put there after Casey went to jail...JMHO

I'd like to hear the defense's version of where the body supposedly was between the date of death and when the body was dumped where it was found! Anthony Lazarro's car didn't smell like a dammed dead body had been in it. Neither did the Anthony's other vehicles or home.

[happygert]

Yep I got an email from TES asking if I wanted my donation back.

What they did to TES was horrifying.. Poor Tim..firm believer in what goes around comes around and cindy and geroge will get theirs..one way or another..

[AnnInOhio]

You may be right. That may be the smoking gun.. that proves she and she alone taped Caylee's nose and mouth.. and.she killed her... I think everything the DA's have will be nail after nail until her coffin his nail shut.. with eveything combined....

But there were no finger printss on the duct tape, right?

[court~critic1®]

I say give it to 'em. Give the defense everything it wants and let there be no doubt Casey had every possible chance to clear herself. The defense will never, IMO, be able to hurdle her actions for 30 days while she "knew" her daughter was "missing", the tattoo, the multiple stories about non-existent people and jobs, the forensics, the items from the Anthony home, the phone records and cell tower pings tracking her whereabouts. Give them anythng the defense wants because there is nothing that is going to trump the cold, uncaring actions and mountain of evidence against Casey Anthony.


There is no way in hades that the searchers phone #, addy and etc. is going to clear Casey. I have never heard of a case where someone got an appeal on not geting a phone #. All this does is delay. OF course that is what Caseys' lawyers want, delay, delay. I want to see this trial in my lifetime.

[Julie Dupree]

Yep I got an email from TES asking if I wanted my donation back.

You did....I didn't!

[imc_e]

Something occured to me about George, the way he held his hands together and mouthed the words 'love you' to Casey as he left the stand.

It could have been his way of saying 'hold on, keep it together, I told you I would see this through and help clear you from the murder charges, don't give up'

It would not surprize me if George is behind the script.

[Barbara fl.]

Which raises another question...wonder if Cindy is the one that didn't know that George and possibly Lee helped her get rid of the body. That is why she called 911 before she spoke with George, (I dont think she would have called 911 had she known about Caylee) and why George sent Lee over to the house to be with Cindy.


I understand what you are saying and probably would buy into it with another case...but I truly feel that Casey was alone in what she did to Caylee...sociopaths tend not to let anyone know what they are doing, they trust no one but themselves....jmo

[Julie Dupree]

But there were no finger printss on the duct tape, right?

The report says that no fingerprints from George, Cindy or Lee were found on the duct tape.
It does not say whose, if anyone, was found.
So we do not know.

[happygert]

I am fed up with that heifer's refusal to plead guilty to even the check charge where they've got her dead-to-rights. The defense notion that it was no harm, no foul because Casey paid them back. Pfft! With money from her non-existant job? Casey HAS no money of her own; any money she has had was given to her or stolen from others. Casey's done NOTHING but send a feeble "I'm sorry" through third parties.

yep and she now dresses like a person with no money...:thumbsup: :lol:

[Julie Dupree]

I understand what you are saying and probably would buy into it with another case...but I truly feel that Casey was alone in what she did to Caylee...sociopaths tend not to let anyone know what they are doing, they trust no one but themselves....jmo

I know you are right about 99 and 44/100% of sociopaths, but there are also exceptions to this, as to all personality disorders.
And, I can not get these questions out of my mind.
Yesterday, the defense saying they had "proof positive" evidence that some one else moved the body only substantiate these questions.

[imc_e]

What they did to TES was horrifying.. Poor Tim..firm believer in what goes around comes around and cindy and geroge will get theirs..one way or another..

Ya, and on the Tim Miller clip I posted earlier, Tim said he knew within 10 minutes of being in the Anthony house, and he was told he was to look for a LIVE Caylee, that this was not going to be good.

He felt she was dead and hidden and of course, he was correct.

George and Cindy were fabricating false sightings about a LIVE Caylee, as they went about full force securing an income out of the situation.

Finding a dead Caylee was NOT on their agenda, and not because of grief or denial, only for the purpose of Money.

They literally chased Tim Miller out of town.

IMO

[happygert]

But there were no finger printss on the duct tape, right?

No they LE never said there was no prints.. they said g,c,or l, were not on tape.. IIRC it was bc or jb who said no prints were on the tape..

[Barbara fl.]

There is no way in hades that the searchers phone #, addy and etc. is going to clear Casey. I have never heard of a case where someone got an appeal on not geting a phone #. All this does is delay. OF course that is what Caseys' lawyers want, delay, delay. I want to see this trial in my lifetime.

And do they actually believe they are going to find a searcher that will say for certain that the body wasn't there....LE, when told by Kronk to look there didn't find it...Mr. Macaluso is pulling straws....AND, even IF they came across someone who wanted to be a star witness for the defense....it still wont wash...All the lies Casey told will never get the juror's past her being the murderer.....

[Sun]

(whispers to Sun....can I get excited about this!!! Huh????)

I have no clue... IMO there may very well be some legal way for them to sit in the courtroom the entire time. This is a question for the legal experts.

[5boxersmom]

You did....I didn't!

Yes I did. It was worded asking me if I meant to donate, if not I had to click a link. If I wanted the donation to go through I didn't have to do anything.

[imc_e]

No they LE never said there was no prints.. they said g,c,or l, were not on tape.. IIRC it was bc or jb who said no prints were on the tape..

and if I recall it wasn't too long ago that BC stated that there was NO duct tape around Caylee's skull, meanwhile the 9-1-1 call from Kronk clearly says he saw a human skull with duct tape wrapped around it.

And we KNOW the duct tape was over Caylee's mouth.

Thats the way the Anthonys wanted the public to believe it, and thats why they wanted to seal the autopsy report.

Obstruct evidence and then HIDE any evidence that they weren't able to obstruct.

[5boxersmom]

What they did to TES was horrifying.. Poor Tim..firm believer in what goes around comes around and cindy and geroge will get theirs..one way or another..

Karma baby and I believe in it.

jmo

[Julie Dupree]

Yes I did. It was worded asking me if I meant to donate, if not I had to click a link. If I wanted the donation to go through I didn't have to do anything.

Actually, that was very thoughtful of them to do that.
I did get a very nice "Thank You" letter.

[happygert]

Ya, and on the Tim Miller clip I posted earlier, Tim said he knew within 10 minutes of being in the Anthony house, and he was told he was to look for a LIVE Caylee, that this was not going to be good.

He felt she was dead and hidden and of course, he was correct.

George and Cindy were fabricating false sightings about a LIVE Caylee, as they went about full force securing an income out of the situation.

Finding a dead Caylee was NOT on their agenda, and not because of grief or denial, only for the purpose of Money.

They literally chased Tim Miller out of town.

IMO

Yep and he also said that casey could put a stop to everything she knew where Caylee was and she wasn't telling.. IMo that really pi$$ed cindy off..

[Barbara fl.]

I'd like to hear the defense's version of where the body supposedly was between the date of death and when the body was dumped where it was found! Anthony Lazarro's car didn't smell like a dammed dead body had been in it. Neither did the Anthony's other vehicles or home.


If that should arise, I bet the defense's comback will be that it's not up to the defense to prove anything...it's up to the prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt....Closing arguements will probably start off with LKB...she prides herself in seeking out the weak juror's and telling them alot of BS...and I understand (I never saw her in action) that Lyon's puts on a performance....

I can see it now, LKB ranting on how the prosecution didn't prove their case and Ms. Lyons falling on the floor hysterical....What a performace we are going to see....Cindy will probably sell tickets outside the courtroom...:laugh:

[Julie Dupree]

Karma baby and I believe in it.

jmo

raises hand...me too:)

[Sun]

That is correct...one witness can not hear what another witness is saying on the stand, so if Cindy is not released she will have to wait outside...

Logic is telling me that if this hearing is streamed live, then anyone can watch. (not that they are "supposed" to watch, just that there is a way for them to watch).

[happygert]

Karma baby and I believe in it.

jmo

Yes 5boxersmom so do I..

[AnnInOhio]

Something occured to me about George, the way he held his hands together and mouthed the words 'love you' to Casey as he left the stand.

It could have been his way of saying 'hold on, keep it together, I told you I would see this through and help clear you from the murder charges, don't give up'

It would not surprize me if George is behind the script.

Or it could just be his way of saying in spite of what we both know you did, and that you're going down in flames, you're my daughter and I still love you even knowing what you've done. When you have a child your relationship with them is comprised of more than just the latest bad thing they've done that you're tying to get through. You remember bringing them home from the hospital, their first day of school, their early childhood and teens. If in their 20's they turn out to be a royal POS I would think as a parent you would still have to see your child as a whole. We've only known Casey since she did this heinous crime. I'd hate to think what it's like to know your daughter was capable of doing something like this, and that the world hates my daughter. Every time I'd look at her I'd have to wonder how on earth did she come to this? What the heck did we do to create a daugher would would be capable of this? I hate to say it but, as a parent, as much as I'd hate what she did, I would still love my daughter. The difference between me and the Anthonys, though, is that I'd have no problem holding my daughter accountable for her actions.

[Julie Dupree]

If that should arise, I bet the defense's comback will be that it's not up to the defense to prove anything...it's up to the prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt....Closing arguements will probably start off with LKB...she prides herself in seeking out the weak juror's and telling them alot of BS...and I understand (I never saw her in action) that Lyon's puts on a performance....

I can see it now, LKB ranting on how the prosecution didn't prove their case and Ms. Lyons falling on the floor hysterical....What a performace we are going to see....Cindy will probably sell tickets outside the courtroom...:laugh:


tickets, shirts, and bears....at a 30% discount for the next 30 minutes.

[happygert]

and if I recall it wasn't too long ago that BC stated that there was NO duct tape around Caylee's skull, meanwhile the 9-1-1 call from Kronk clearly says he saw a human skull with duct tape wrapped around it.

And we KNOW the duct tape was over Caylee's mouth.

Thats the way the Anthonys wanted the public to believe it, and thats why they wanted to seal the autopsy report.

Obstruct evidence and then HIDE any evidence that they weren't able to obstruct.

Yes and thats the only time they want to act like they are grieving when it comes to hiding evidence for casey from the public..

[Barbara fl.]

Ya, and on the Tim Miller clip I posted earlier, Tim said he knew within 10 minutes of being in the Anthony house, and he was told he was to look for a LIVE Caylee, that this was not going to be good.

He felt she was dead and hidden and of course, he was correct.

George and Cindy were fabricating false sightings about a LIVE Caylee, as they went about full force securing an income out of the situation.

Finding a dead Caylee was NOT on their agenda, and not because of grief or denial, only for the purpose of Money.

They literally chased Tim Miller out of town.

IMO


That they did...I'm just glad they didn't put out a hit on Tim Miller...Cindy knew that as long as they didn't find a body that the prosecution had no case, especially for murder one....and she may have been correct....BUT, body was found and that sealed the case for the prosecution as far as I'm concerned....The BS of saying that the body was placed there by someone after Casey was in jail is rediculous....IF, and that is a very BIG if, someone else had murdered Caylee, tere would have been NO way they would have taken the chance putting a body in that area when it was covered every inch by media and police....

[Julie Dupree]

Or it could just be his way of saying in spite of what we both know you did, and that you're going down in flames, you're my daughter and I still love you even knowing what you've done. When you have a child your relationship with them is comprised of more than just the latest bad thing they've done that you're tying to get through. You remember bringing them home from the hospital, their first day of school, their early childhood and teens. If in their 20's they turn out to be a royal POS I would think as a parent you would still have to see your child as a whole. We've only known Casey since she did this heinous crime. I'd hate to think what it's like to know your daughter was capable of doing something like this, and that the world hates my daughter. Every time I'd look at her I'd have to wonder how on earth did she come to this? What the heck did we do to create a daugher would would be capable of this? I hate to say it but, as a parent, as much as I'd hate what she did, I would still love my daughter. The difference between me and the Anthonys, though, is that I'd have no problem holding my daughter accountable for her actions.

I think 99% of the mothers feel the exact same way as you do Annie. To me what you just said is all about what love for a child is, not what I see every time I see or hear what the Anthony's call love of their daughter.
Guess not everyone can be as good of a parent as others...:)

[Barbara fl.]

tickets, shirts, and bears....at a 30% discount for the next 30 minutes.


Yep....without a doubt, Cindy will milk this case for all she can get out of it....:sneaky:

[Barbara fl.]

Do I dare ask?

What will Jose be doing?

How about Jose giving the final closing argument with one of his imfamous quotes?

Ladies and gentleman of the jury...

I have no further questions.


Or "NO COMMENT".....:lol:

[imc_e]

Or it could just be his way of saying in spite of what we both know you did, and that you're going down in flames, you're my daughter and I still love you even knowing what you've done. When you have a child your relationship with them is comprised of more than just the latest bad thing they've done that you're tying to get through. You remember bringing them home from the hospital, their first day of school, their early childhood and teens. If in their 20's they turn out to be a royal POS I would think as a parent you would still have to see your child as a whole. We've only known Casey since she did this heinous crime. I'd hate to think what it's like to know your daughter was capable of doing something like this, and that the world hates my daughter. Every time I'd look at her I'd have to wonder how on earth did she come to this? What the heck did we do to create a daugher would would be capable of this? I hate to say it but, as a parent, as much as I'd hate what she did, I would still love my daughter. The difference between me and the Anthonys, though, is that I'd have no problem holding my daughter accountable for her actions.

I agree with your comments.
It could be that even though George KNOWS what she did to Caylee, he forgives Casey and still loves her.
He does need to hold her accountable though, and he SHOULD be sitting on the victims side of the courtroom.

One mixed up family, to say the least.

[Barbara fl.]

Logic is telling me that if this hearing is streamed live, then anyone can watch. (not that they are "supposed" to watch, just that there is a way for them to watch).


Yes, I believe that anyone can watch, but I don't think that a witness who will be recalled can watch...I'm really not that sure, but I don't think they can...I believe they would have to wait outside....Probably one of our lawyer friends on here can answer it for us....

[Julie Dupree]

Yes, I believe that anyone can watch, but I don't think that a witness who will be recalled can watch...I'm really not that sure, but I don't think they can...I believe they would have to wait outside....Probably one of our lawyer friends on here can answer it for us....

I thought they had to wait in a special room...one that probably does not have internet connections.

[Barbara fl.]

Or it could just be his way of saying in spite of what we both know you did, and that you're going down in flames, you're my daughter and I still love you even knowing what you've done. When you have a child your relationship with them is comprised of more than just the latest bad thing they've done that you're tying to get through. You remember bringing them home from the hospital, their first day of school, their early childhood and teens. If in their 20's they turn out to be a royal POS I would think as a parent you would still have to see your child as a whole. We've only known Casey since she did this heinous crime. I'd hate to think what it's like to know your daughter was capable of doing something like this, and that the world hates my daughter. Every time I'd look at her I'd have to wonder how on earth did she come to this? What the heck did we do to create a daugher would would be capable of this? I hate to say it but, as a parent, as much as I'd hate what she did, I would still love my daughter. The difference between me and the Anthonys, though, is that I'd have no problem holding my daughter accountable for her actions.

You are so right....You only remember their first steps, playing games with them and watching them grow before your eyes....And no one would blame the Anthony's for feeling this way...I always said that I would stand by my child but never would I cover for them...If Cindy wanted to truly help Casey she would have convinced her to tell the truth from the beginning and possibly get charged with manslaughter instead of murder one...manslaughter would have gotten her 7 years...now she can forget it...

But I also understand why Casey wouldn't tell, because there was just no way she could have said accidental death with duct tape around Caylee's mouth and head....just no way....

[Sun]

Yes, I believe that anyone can watch, but I don't think that a witness who will be recalled can watch...I'm really not that sure, but I don't think they can...I believe they would have to wait outside....Probably one of our lawyer friends on here can answer it for us....

Barbara, by "watching" I was refering to watching through living streaming, TV, or such.... this trial will take several weeks (probably 1-2 months). I have no clue what the rules are for who will be allowed into the courtroom (some say that witnesses that haven't yet testified won't be). However lots of witnesses are on both the State's list and the defense list.

[Barbara fl.]

I thought they had to wait in a special room...one that probably does not have internet connections.


That is what I would think....I really don't think they will be allowed in the court room...

I would think that they wouldn't want the witnesses to back up each others statements.....

[Barbara fl.]

Barbara, by "watching" I was refering to watching through living streaming, TV, or such.... this trial will take several weeks (probably 1-2 months). I have no clue what the rules are for who will be allowed into the courtroom (some say that witnesses that haven't yet testified won't be). However lots of witnesses are on both the State's list and the defense list.


I didn't think of that, you are so right...one witness can be on the stand for a few days....so there really is no way they would be able to protect that.....you're right...

[Barbara fl.]

Familiy's hungry, have to go cook....back later...

[5boxersmom]

Familiy's hungry, have to go cook....back later...

Yeah me too.

bbl

[AnnInOhio]

I think 99% of the mothers feel the exact same way as you do Annie. To me what you just said is all about what love for a child is, not what I see every time I see or hear what the Anthony's call love of their daughter.
Guess not everyone can be as good of a parent as others...:)

I think there is something different between George & Casey than there is between Cindy & Casey. My gut tells me George loves Casey and realizes there was a lot he coulda and shoulda done differently regarding Casey, but he wasn't man enough to cross Cindy to do it. Cindy acts like SHE'S the victim in all this.

[martha]

I really don;t know if we will ever see a trial in this case but I guess as long as casey is sitting in jail that is a good thing. If one of my children did something like this I know in my heart I would still love them because they or a part of me but I sure would wonder where I went wrong with raising them. I am sure I would blame my self for them not turning out good. I just think I would be in a crazy house now. I could not ever have any kind of life after this happened. Only God could get me thru it and I mean I would have to stay on my knees day and night to get thru it. I would have to admit the truth and beg people to help me but I do know only God could help me.I know God does not put on us more than we can stand but this is awful what has happened to Caylee. Just like so many other children. I just pray nothing anything like this ever happens to me. We never know what we will have to face before we die. Only the Grace of God can help us and keep us from some of the awful things that happen to people.jmho:wub:

[AnnInOhio]

I really don;t know if we will ever see a trial in this case but I guess as long as casey is sitting in jail that is a good thing. If one of my children did something like this I know in my heart I would still love them because they or a part of me but I sure would wonder where I went wrong with raising them. I am sure I would blame my self for them not turning out good. I just think I would be in a crazy house now. I could not ever have any kind of life after this happened. Only God could get me thru it and I mean I would have to stay on my knees day and night to get thru it. I would have to admit the truth and beg people to help me but I do know only God could help me.I know God does not put on us more than we can stand but this is awful what has happened to Caylee. Just like so many other children. I just pray nothing anything like this ever happens to me. We never know what we will have to face before we die. Only the Grace of God can help us and keep us from some of the awful things that happen to people.jmho:wub:

Amen, sister.

[Julie Dupree]

I think there is something different between George & Casey than there is between Cindy & Casey. My gut tells me George loves Casey and realizes there was a lot he coulda and shoulda done differently regarding Casey, but he wasn't man enough to cross Cindy to do it. Cindy acts like SHE'S the victim in all this.

I would like to see something between any of them that even hints that they have any true feelings for the other, but I don't. I see I care about what you do, I care about what you say, I care about who you hang out with, I care what you do to my car....but nothing that says what you just described about your feelings for your child.

[denjet]

And do they actually believe they are going to find a searcher that will say for certain that the body wasn't there....LE, when told by Kronk to look there didn't find it...Mr. Macaluso is pulling straws....AND, even IF they came across someone who wanted to be a star witness for the defense....it still wont wash...All the lies Casey told will never get the juror's past her being the murderer.....
Hi Barbara!
Exactly my thinking ... doesn't the defense know that they have to prove that someone searched the EXACT location of where the remains were found? Are they ignoring the fact that TES has documents and grids of that area, aerial footage of the area, etc.? Then of course there's areal footage taken in December when the remains were found.
Also, OSCO and Kronk know where they looked in August. Let's not forget Dominic on video looking in a different location than where Caylee's remains were ultimately found ... oh, yeah and the guy who found the bag of toys ...:shrug:

I guess my point is, with so much of that area documented, how on earth do they think they are going to prove that the body was not there? The timeframe of the body being dumped there after KC was in jail in October (I'm assuming) doesn't fit with the evidence that proves the remains were there for more than 3 months !! So is the defense going to try to say it was put there when KC was in jail in August? But that's not when TES were in there searching ... OK ... I think I've just confused myself even more .... :confused:

[AnnInOhio]

People talk about the duct tape being wrapped around Caylee's head. The way I remember reading the early document drop it sounded to me like it was several strands of duct tape that went from nose to chin. I thought it described it as going like to the ear area, bottom of the jaw, and that some of Caylee's hair was caught in the tape. In later document dumps was there a more descriptive explanation of the duct tape that was found on the skull?

[AnnInOhio]

Hi Barbara!
Exactly my thinking ... doesn't the defense know that they have to prove that someone searched the EXACT location of where the remains were found? Are they ignoring the fact that TES has documents and grids of that area, aerial footage of the area, etc.? Then of course there's areal footage taken in December when the remains were found.
Also, OSCO and Kronk know where they looked in August. Let's not forget Dominic on video looking in a different location than where Caylee's remains were ultimately found ... oh, yeah and the guy who found the bag of toys ...:shrug:

I guess my point is, with so much of that area documented, how on earth do they think they are going to prove that the body was not there? The timeframe of the body being dumped there after KC was in jail in October (I'm assuming) doesn't fit with the evidence that proves the remains were there for more than 3 months !! So is the defense going to try to say it was put there when KC was in jail in August? But that's not when TES were in there searching ... OK ... I think I've just confused myself even more .... :confused:

Even it they are dumb enough to argue when the body was placed, how on earth do they think they're going to explain the trash bags and laundry bag that came from the Anthony house? Were those stolen after Casey was in jail?

[Julie Dupree]

I really don;t know if we will ever see a trial in this case but I guess as long as casey is sitting in jail that is a good thing. If one of my children did something like this I know in my heart I would still love them because they or a part of me but I sure would wonder where I went wrong with raising them. I am sure I would blame my self for them not turning out good. I just think I would be in a crazy house now. I could not ever have any kind of life after this happened. Only God could get me thru it and I mean I would have to stay on my knees day and night to get thru it. I would have to admit the truth and beg people to help me but I do know only God could help me.I know God does not put on us more than we can stand but this is awful what has happened to Caylee. Just like so many other children. I just pray nothing anything like this ever happens to me. We never know what we will have to face before we die. Only the Grace of God can help us and keep us from some of the awful things that happen to people.jmho:wub:

Ms Martha, I don't think you have one bad bone, thought, or deed in your body. And I think God knows that.
I truly believe that some children turn out bad that come from some very good, God fearing parents.
I also believe some children turn out good in spite of some very bad, ugly demon parents.
But, I also think that God allows people to chose which path they take.
Some people make foolish choices.

[denjet]

Barbara, by "watching" I was refering to watching through living streaming, TV, or such.... this trial will take several weeks (probably 1-2 months). I have no clue what the rules are for who will be allowed into the courtroom (some say that witnesses that haven't yet testified won't be). However lots of witnesses are on both the State's list and the defense list.
Hi Sun! That's got me a little baffled too ... how does the court enforce that? Certainly the Ants can go home every evening and watch video of the hearing that day ... they would have to be sequestered until they're done testifying ... For that matter they can bring a laptop in the car with them and go outside to watch while they're waiting to be called ... wonder how they do that?

[denjet]

Even it they are dumb enough to argue when the body was placed, how on earth do they think they're going to explain the trash bags and laundry bag that came from the Anthony house? Were those stolen after Casey was in jail?
Hi Ann!
KC was framed and someone else that had keys to the Ants took those things ... this case is just becoming more and more of a joke everyday ...

I'm not too impressed with Malcuso either, he's sounding more and more like that baffoon Baez and I keep wondering why Lyon and Baden aren't shutting them up!!

But, there's still those 31 days !! I don't think "ugly coping" is going to fly!

[Julie Dupree]

Hi Barbara!
Exactly my thinking ... doesn't the defense know that they have to prove that someone searched the EXACT location of where the remains were found? Are they ignoring the fact that TES has documents and grids of that area, aerial footage of the area, etc.? Then of course there's areal footage taken in December when the remains were found.
Also, OSCO and Kronk know where they looked in August. Let's not forget Dominic on video looking in a different location than where Caylee's remains were ultimately found ... oh, yeah and the guy who found the bag of toys ...:shrug:

I guess my point is, with so much of that area documented, how on earth do they think they are going to prove that the body was not there? The timeframe of the body being dumped there after KC was in jail in October (I'm assuming) doesn't fit with the evidence that proves the remains were there for more than 3 months !! So is the defense going to try to say it was put there when KC was in jail in August? But that's not when TES were in there searching ... OK ... I think I've just confused myself even more .... :confused:

TES did not search the area where Caylee was found...NEVER.
It was under water in August, and still to wet when they went back later in the fall.

[denjet]

I question that as well.

In this age of instant real time live feeds, what would keep witnesses from watching the preceedings on one of those new fangled gadgets right outside the courtroom, in the rest rooms, in the snack machine area. No one could be foolish enough to expect the Anthony's to be honest and not peek.
Maybe they could be released to Brad, him being an officer of the court and all, but Cindy or George can sneak off to places he can't follow in his chair. Oh dear.
Maybe for the Anthonys the court will create a "Witness Retention Room". Complete with audio and video surveilance and chairs for Cindy to stick her gum on.

I am really hoping that George testifies first. That's going to kill Cindy and she will be sooo cranked by her turn.
LOL toadii :lol:
Bolding mine ... I LIKE IT!
I'm sure Cindy would want to go first and have George follow her lead and not contradict anything she says, but I have a suspicion that the state will do just the reverse for that very reason ... which will just make Cindy try to undo what George testified to ... I predict she'll perjure herself within the first 10 minutes of testimony ...

[Julie Dupree]

LOL toadii :lol:
Bolding mine ... I LIKE IT!
I'm sure Cindy would want to go first and have George follow her lead and not contradict anything she says, but I have a suspicion that the state will do just the reverse for that very reason ... which will just make Cindy try to undo what George testified to ... I predict she'll perjure herself within the first 10 minutes of testimony ...

:) do you think it will take her that long?

[Sun]

Hi Sun! That's got me a little baffled too ... how does the court enforce that? Certainly the Ants can go home every evening and watch video of the hearing that day ... they would have to be sequestered until they're done testifying ... For that matter they can bring a laptop in the car with them and go outside to watch while they're waiting to be called ... wonder how they do that?

I'm not a betting person, but I think that absolutely nothing will keep Cindy or George from following everything that is going on in the courtroom from beginning to end of the trial. Could be that they can't bear to let us know that they are watching some parts, but they will find a way to not miss one second of the trial. ....they have already proved over and over that they don't like being left out of the loop. Just like Casey.

[denjet]

TES did not search the area where Caylee was found...NEVER.
It was under water in August, and still to wet when they went back later in the fall.
Hi Julie! I was referring to the area off Suburban but not the specific location where Caylee was ... TES searched there but not the part that was underwater ... and everyone else that has been in that area, did NOT look in the exact location where Caylee was ...

[denjet]

:) do you think it will take her that long?

:lol: Perhaps not!

[Mamie]

Thanks so much for the link. :seeya: I really liked the legal analyst and agreed w/much of what she had to say. I like how she called the defense out on trying the case in the media when they said they weren't going to do that. She said it was disingenuous of them, which I absolutely agree with.

I think one of her terms was "kind of cheeseball". Loved it!

[desmom]

I have been thinking about the defense trying to throw one of Casey's friends, Amy, Tone, Ricardo, Will, Jesse.., under the bus.

Casey had contact with all of them during the 31 days. There are no signs of distress in her text messages between herself and them, no threats, no "how's Caylee" from Casey to any of them. How will the defense explain it?

The defense is going to have to address the 31 days and Casey's sworn handwritten statement to LE. If they ignore it, the jury will think the defense has something to hide.

Is the defense going to tell the jury Casey lied to LE because of the threats she had received from the "kidnapper"? How the heck are they going to explain the 31 days?

The pics from Fusians, Casey getting a tattoo, a manicure and partying do not show a mother in fear for her 2 year old's safety or mother that is protecting her family from threats.

jmo

[Sun]

Hi Ann!
KC was framed and someone else that had keys to the Ants took those things ... this case is just becoming more and more of a joke everyday ...

I'm not too impressed with Malcuso either, he's sounding more and more like that baffoon Baez and I keep wondering why Lyon and Baden aren't shutting them up!!

But, there's still those 31 days !! I don't think "ugly coping" is going to fly!

I re-listened to Macaluso litigate. Put everything out of my mind (everything that I knew about the subject) and just listened. Listened to his words, sentences, and his tone. I have to say, if I hadn't already read the Discovery, I might be inclined to believe what he was saying. He was passionate and sure sounded like he believed what he was saying.

But if I factor in what I've read in the Discovery, what he says isn't fitting in with what I know of the other facts in the Discovery. He says it's all in his brief or response to the court, ....I guess that I should find that doc and study it.

[desmom]

I'm not a betting person, but I think that absolutely nothing will keep Cindy or George from following everything that is going on in the courtroom from beginning to end of the trial. Could be that they can't bear to let us know that they are watching some parts, but they will find a way to not miss one second of the trial. ....they have already proved over and over that they don't like being left out of the loop. Just like Casey.

I just had a funny thought reading your post.

Will Cindy be able to prevent herself from calling any of Casey's friends when it gets close to trial? Cindy has been know to "intimidate" people (remember the LE interview). Wouldn't that fall under tampering with a witness? :tonguewag:

[martha]

Ms Martha, I don't think you have one bad bone, thought, or deed in your body. And I think God knows that.
I truly believe that some children turn out bad that come from some very good, God fearing parents.
I also believe some children turn out good in spite of some very bad, ugly demon parents.
But, I also think that God allows people to chose which path they take.
Some people make foolish choices.You or so right on everything you said. It is sad to see people that do everything for their children and raise them right and then the chose the wrong path. My mother in law had 9 children and she told me not any one of them were alike. She was telling the truth. They were all raised alike but they sure or not alike in any way. I got the best one out of the bunch.ha, We will be married 54 years in oct.I still love him just as much if now more than when we married.I was 16 when I got married and boy do you grow up in a hurry.We can just do the best we can in raising our children and then they chose how they want to live.You or one very smart lady and I love you.jmho:wub:

[Julie Dupree]

I have been thinking about the defense trying to throw one of Casey's friends, Amy, Tone, Ricardo, Will, Jesse.., under the bus.

Casey had contact with all of them during the 31 days. There are no signs of distress in her text messages between herself and them, no threats, no "how's Caylee" from Casey to any of them. How will the defense explain it?

The defense is going to have to address the 31 days and Casey's sworn handwritten statement to LE. If they ignore it, the jury will think the defense has something to hide.

Is the defense going to tell the jury Casey lied to LE because of the threats she had received from the "kidnapper"? How the heck are they going to explain the 31 days?

The pics from Fusians, Casey getting a tattoo, a manicure and partying do not show a mother in fear for her 2 year old's safety or mother that is protecting her family from threats.

jmo

I think explaining the 31 days is giving them major headaches...and will throughout the trial.

[desmom]

Lenny is going to be on blog talk radio tomorrow night per CrimeWarrior. http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=357588

[Sun]

I have been thinking about the defense trying to throw one of Casey's friends, Amy, Tone, Ricardo, Will, Jesse.., under the bus.

Casey had contact with all of them during the 31 days. There are no signs of distress in her text messages between herself and them, no threats, no "how's Caylee" from Casey to any of them. How will the defense explain it?

The defense is going to have to address the 31 days and Casey's sworn handwritten statement to LE. If they ignore it, the jury will think the defense has something to hide.

Is the defense going to tell the jury Casey lied to LE because of the threats she had received from the "kidnapper"? How the heck are they going to explain the 31 days?

The pics from Fusians, Casey getting a tattoo, a manicure and partying do not show a mother in fear for her 2 year old's safety or mother that is protecting her family from threats.

jmo

I've thought and thought about this. The defense's only hope is to get people picked for the jury, that would not think it odd for a mother of a 34 month old child to show any concern if her child was away with someone else for over a month. And these jurists would also have to have an extreme mistrust of LE/FBI and the government.

[Julie Dupree]

You or so right on everything you said. It is sad to see people that do everything for their children and raise them right and then the chose the wrong path. My mother in law had 9 children and she told me not any one of them were alike. She was telling the truth. They were all raised alike but they sure or not alike in any way. I got the best one out of the bunch.ha, We will be married 54 years in oct.I still love him just as much if now more than when we married.I was 16 when I got married and boy do you grow up in a hurry.We can just do the best we can in raising our children and then they chose how they want to live.You or one very smart lady and I love you.jmho:wub:

Awwww, thanks Ms Martha:blushing:
You always keep us grounded to remember the real reason we come here everyday...to remember Caylee. And we all love you for allowing us to share this passion with you.:)
God Bless,
Julie

[desmom]

LOL toadii :lol:
Bolding mine ... I LIKE IT!
I'm sure Cindy would want to go first and have George follow her lead and not contradict anything she says, but I have a suspicion that the state will do just the reverse for that very reason ... which will just make Cindy try to undo what George testified to ... I predict she'll perjure herself within the first 10 minutes of testimony ...

I think it is interesting they put George on the stand yesterday, not Cindy. They called George before the GJ, not Cindy. During the motion hearing re the autopsy report, George is also the one that spoke, not Cindy. I am beginning to see a pattern. :tonguewag:

I would not be surprised if G & C's time on the stands is short lived. I would love to see:

Prosecution: Please state your name for the record.

Witness: Cynthia Anthony.

Prosecution: How are you related to the defendant?

Witness: I am her mother.

Prosecution: Mrs. Anthony, when is the last time you saw your granddaughter, Caylee?

Witness: June 15, 2008.

Prosecution: No more questions.

and a repeat of the above for George except George would say June 16, 2008.

I think Cindy would blow a cork and George would rip the courtroom door off the hinges as he stormed out.

jmo

[Julie Dupree]

I've thought and thought about this. The defense's only hope is to get people picked for the jury, that would not think it odd for a mother of a 34 month old child to show any concern if her child was away with someone else for over a month. And these jurists would also have to have an extreme mistrust of LE/FBI and the government.

Sun, do you think there are people out there that would not think it odd for their 34 month old to be totally with some one other than family?
I think they can find lots of people who do not trust LE/FBI and especially the government.

[adair]

I've thought and thought about this. The defense's only hope is to get people picked for the jury, that would not think it odd for a mother of a 34 month old child to show any concern if her child was away with someone else for over a month. And these jurists would also have to have an extreme mistrust of LE/FBI and the government.

So that makes me wonder what would be the defense's "ideal" juror?

Young, Male I am guessing, no mothers, no grandmothers......no one who has ever had anything stolen from them, no one who has ever been a nanny, or hired a nanny.......ok I got it ......one with not a lick of common sense.

jmo

[Julie Dupree]

I think it is interesting they put George on the stand yesterday, not Cindy. They called George before the GJ, not Cindy. During the motion hearing re the autopsy report, George is also the one that spoke, not Cindy. I am beginning to see a pattern. :tonguewag:

I would not be surprised if G & C's time on the stands is short lived. I would love to see:

Prosecution: Please state your name for the record.

Witness: Cynthia Anthony.

Prosecution: How are you related to the defendant?

Witness: I am her mother.

Prosecution: Mrs. Anthony, when is the last time you saw your granddaughter, Caylee?

Witness: June 15, 2008.

Prosecution: No more questions.

and a repeat of the above for George except George would say June 16, 2008.

I think Cindy would blow a cork and George would rip the courtroom door off the hinges as he stormed out.

jmo

We know George does a wicked storming out of the court room, we saw that. All he has to work on is ripping the door off the hinges and he has got it made.
OHHHHH!!!! I hope you are about this (or something close to it).

[Sun]

Quote by desmom: ]I just had a funny thought reading your post.

Will Cindy be able to prevent herself from calling any of Casey's friends when it gets close to trial? Cindy has been know to "intimidate" people (remember the LE interview). Wouldn't that fall under tampering with a witness?

Desmom, Yes it could. And, I had already thought about this in regards to those pow-wows that Cindy said occured in her home. And, Cindy going back to talk to the towyard fellow. And, George going into the Amscot to talk with them. And, George on the phone calling KW shortly after(IIRC) Caylee's remains were found. KW was the fellow who was snoopying around the school area (and someone that the defense has asked for phone records of).

Cindy's call to LE, Cindy's call to TM. ...all threatening

However, I'm wondering if Casey has any friends left for Cindy to call. I'm thinking most are now ex-friends. Except for maybe Annie?

[adair]

:) do you think it will take her that long?

I really do hope that they pros her for it, i really do, i guess i should wait for her to actually do it, lol....but i am gonna be very dissappointed if they let her get away with it.....


jmo

[Julie Dupree]

So that makes me wonder what would be the defense's "ideal" juror?

Young, Male I am guessing, no mothers, no grandmothers......no one who has ever had anything stolen from them, no one who has ever been a nanny, or hired a nanny.......ok I got it ......one with not a lick of common sense.

jmo

I wonder if they would prefer male or females. I think they both have something to offer.
I can understand why they would not want any grandmothers :)
I wonder who will help them with jury profiling. Has anyone read if this is one of AL specialities?

[Sun]

Lenny is going to be on blog talk radio tomorrow night per CrimeWarrior. http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=357588

I hope someone will remind me.... I always forget things like this.

[*Serenity*]

I am stll sticking with my thoughts that Casey searched Trenton And MDuckett ... missing case.

[desmom]

Desmom, Yes it could. And, I had already thought about this in regards to those pow-wows that Cindy said occured in her home. And, Cindy going back to talk to the towyard fellow. And, George going into the Amscot to talk with them. And, George on the phone calling KW shortly after(IIRC) Caylee's remains were found. KW was the fellow who was snoopying around the school area (and someone that the defense has asked for phone records of).

Cindy's call to LE, Cindy's call to TM. ...all threatening

However, I'm wondering if Casey has any friends left for Cindy to call. I'm thinking most are now ex-friends. Except for maybe Annie?

You are probably right about Casey's friends. They probably have every number associated with the A's blocked...or I would.

I really feel bad for these kids. They are either in school or just entering the work force and thrown into the middle of this mess + having to come up with $$$ for attorneys. jmo

[Sun]

Sun, do you think there are people out there that would not think it odd for their 34 month old to be totally with some one other than family?
I think they can find lots of people who do not trust LE/FBI and especially the government.

I can't think of any, but I'm sure that the defense will be looking. If they don't find at least one that meets that criteria, they'll say that Casey didn't get a fair and impartial jury.

[Julie Dupree]

I hope someone will remind me.... I always forget things like this.

Since it is at 10....I will probably miss it:(

[Sun]

So that makes me wonder what would be the defense's "ideal" juror?

Young, Male I am guessing, no mothers, no grandmothers......no one who has ever had anything stolen from them, no one who has ever been a nanny, or hired a nanny.......ok I got it ......one with not a lick of common sense.

jmo

Your raise a good question. What kind of juror will the defense look for?

[Julie Dupree]

My other half is demanding equal time...since I have been on the computer since noon, guess I had best go.
Have a wonderful evening.
J

[Sun]

You are probably right about Casey's friends. They probably have every number associated with the A's blocked...or I would.

I really feel bad for these kids. They are either in school or just entering the work force and thrown into the middle of this mess + having to come up with $$$ for attorneys. jmo

When I was listening to TL's attorney litigate yesterday, a thought came to me. How many of Casey's (ex)friends may have completely changed their phones, pcs, etc.... even jobs, addresses, just to separate themselves from being further exposed or associated with Casey. The Discovery released has been brutally invasive.

[crimeq]

I don't think the clothing would have looked so bad if someone would have taken an iron to the darn things before they were delivered to Casey. It looked like she had slept in her clothing. jmo

I don't think the pants and shirt were picked to go together -- I don't think anyone delivered clothes for Casey to wear, but that she had to accept something out of the closet that I've heard jails keep for court appearances. I can't imagine that Cindy would have made those choices, or Jose -- these were used, old clothes, ill-fitting and ugly.

Wow, how Casey has come down in the fashion scene, no more blue dresses and boots to pole dance at Fusion, no more new lacy bras from Target to entice TonE.

She must abhor, HATE, getting dressed and having to show up in court. I'm sure she'd much rather be sitting it out in her dorm room.

[adair]

I think I heard that Josie has been asking around the courthouse if there is any way that George AND Cindy be allowed to be on the jury...He searched the ENTIRE law library and was unable to discover ANYTHING about this topic at all! I think someone should tell him that the statute code regarding this pesky detail he is asking is located in the same place as the ones that explain what a "privacy agreement" is, and why you need to actually BRING the document TO the court that you want a ruling on from the Judge.

If I was AL, I would have stapled it on his big fat forehead - or else moved the "Kick Me" sign from his back and staple it THERE for easier access! (I also had to move the home made crayon sign Josie's wife made that said I'M WITH STUPID that had the big arrow that pointed to his client.

Of course, I am only joking! I'm sure you all noticed that the homemade crayon sign was really pinned on Casey's shirt - with the I'M WITH STUPID arrow pointed at her clueless avenger! :tonguewag:



JB knows how to get to the law library?


j/k

[Sun]

I think I heard that Josie has been asking around the courthouse if there is any way that George AND Cindy be allowed to be on the jury...He searched the ENTIRE law library and was unable to discover ANYTHING about this topic at all! I think someone should tell him that the statute code regarding this pesky detail he is asking is located in the same place as the ones that explain what a "privacy agreement" is, and why you need to actually BRING the document TO the court that you want a ruling on from the Judge.

If I was AL, I would have stapled it on his big fat forehead - or else moved the "Kick Me" sign from his back and staple it THERE for easier access! (I also had to move the home made crayon sign Josie's wife made that said I'M WITH STUPID that had the big arrow that pointed to his client.

Of course, I am only joking! I'm sure you all noticed that the homemade crayon sign was really pinned on Casey's shirt - with the I'M WITH STUPID arrow pointed at her clueless avenger! :tonguewag:

You are so funny today. Cindy or George on the jury.... would this give them a pass on testifying? :lol:

[crimeq]

yep guess that could be true...I was just happy to see her not so chipper as she usually is...act or not it made me feel a little better...she looked like a prisoner instead of a wanna be model/teacher/secretary/...jmo

I think Andrea Lyon has put the fear of god, or at least of death, into Casey. I think Andrea Lyon has told Casey she probably can't get her out of jail/prison but she hopes, HOPES!, to be able to prevent her from being put to death by the state.

I think Jose always let Casey believe he would get her off, whereas Andrea is telling her the stark truth.

That's what I believe is the difference in Casey's most recent demeanor in court.

And dang, did she look bad.

[Dunlurken]

Your raise a good question. What kind of juror will the defense look for?

A stupid one? :confused:

Seriously though, jury consultants will probably pick men who are young and uneducated. Those who don't watch the news and who like young women. That's their only defense, is to get a sympathetic jury pool who doesn't have children, or who are separated from their own kids and don't care.

I can see the questionnaire now....

do you have children?

When is the last time you saw them?

do you watch the news?

Are you dating or married?

Do you go to bars?

Do you have tatoos?

Do you have a swimming pool?

Do you live with your parents?

Who pays your bills?

I could go on and on. JMO. Wait, maybe that should be the prosecution questionnaire. Will probably take months to develop and approve the jury pool questionnaire.

[FrankieBones1]

:ohmy:wow just saw KC hearing boy she does not look so well...darn ...NOT...JMO she needs to show momma some attention so she can get some new clothes that fit
Jail hasn't been kind to her hair or complexion.

[Barbara fl.]

I know you are right about 99 and 44/100% of sociopaths, but there are also exceptions to this, as to all personality disorders.
And, I can not get these questions out of my mind.
Yesterday, the defense saying they had "proof positive" evidence that some one else moved the body only substantiate these questions.

The defense always says things like that when they know the camera's are rolling...Perfect example "Mark Geragos" in the Scott Peterson case...

All the defense is trying to do is capture the potential jurors out there...If they had such "proof positive" then why wouldn't they use it to get their client out of jail?...

It's all bull...just like when Cindy and George were making up all the so called sightings of Caylee....all lies....Then when they get in front of the jurors, it all changes....no such proof...

[FrankieBones1]

I don't think the pants and shirt were picked to go together -- I don't think anyone delivered clothes for Casey to wear, but that she had to accept something out of the closet that I've heard jails keep for court appearances. I can't imagine that Cindy would have made those choices, or Jose -- these were used, old clothes, ill-fitting and ugly.

Wow, how Casey has come down in the fashion scene, no more blue dresses and boots to pole dance at Fusion, no more new lacy bras from Target to entice TonE.

She must abhor, HATE, getting dressed and having to show up in court. I'm sure she'd much rather be sitting it out in her dorm room.
I thought at least the jail would provide her with shampoo. They do have showers, right?

[Barbara fl.]

Logic is telling me that if this hearing is streamed live, then anyone can watch. (not that they are "supposed" to watch, just that there is a way for them to watch).



Very true....and in this case the juror's might just be sequestered....

[Barbara fl.]

I question that as well.

In this age of instant real time live feeds, what would keep witnesses from watching the preceedings on one of those new fangled gadgets right outside the courtroom, in the rest rooms, in the snack machine area. No one could be foolish enough to expect the Anthony's to be honest and not peek.
Maybe they could be released to Brad, him being an officer of the court and all, but Cindy or George can sneak off to places he can't follow in his chair. Oh dear.
Maybe for the Anthonys the court will create a "Witness Retention Room". Complete with audio and video surveilance and chairs for Cindy to stick her gum on.

I am really hoping that George testifies first. That's going to kill Cindy and she will be sooo cranked by her turn.


I can almost bet my life on it...Cindy is worried sick as to what George will say on that stand...For him to have been a LE man, he sure breaks real easy....

I wouldn't be surprised if he takes sick suddenly just before the trial....

[Barbara fl.]

Hi Barbara!
Exactly my thinking ... doesn't the defense know that they have to prove that someone searched the EXACT location of where the remains were found? Are they ignoring the fact that TES has documents and grids of that area, aerial footage of the area, etc.? Then of course there's areal footage taken in December when the remains were found.
Also, OSCO and Kronk know where they looked in August. Let's not forget Dominic on video looking in a different location than where Caylee's remains were ultimately found ... oh, yeah and the guy who found the bag of toys ...:shrug:

I guess my point is, with so much of that area documented, how on earth do they think they are going to prove that the body was not there? The timeframe of the body being dumped there after KC was in jail in October (I'm assuming) doesn't fit with the evidence that proves the remains were there for more than 3 months !! So is the defense going to try to say it was put there when KC was in jail in August? But that's not when TES were in there searching ... OK ... I think I've just confused myself even more .... :confused:


That is why I say the defense is full of it by saying that they HAVE "proof positive" that the body wasn't there....IF, they had this "proof positive", they wouldn't be needing to question the searchers...

They are pulling straws....

[desmom]

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/8/21/defense_casey_didn39t_dump_caylee.html
Baez argued Padilla was just a “flamboyant cowboy” who wanted to bail his client out of jail. Baez said Padilla's statements should be inadmissible on the grounds that Padilla was acting as a counselor to the defense at the time, so the conversations are privileged.

How long did it take for JB decide Lenny was a flamboyant cowboy? :lol:

Bounty Hunter Arrives In Orlando, Tries To Bail Casey Out
Posted: 3:48 pm EDT August 15, 2008
Updated: 10:03 am EDT August 18, 2008
California Bounty Hunter Leonard Padilla said he's convinced he can get Casey to tell him where she left Caylee.

Bounty Hunter Convinced He Can Get Casey To Talk
http://www.wftv.com/video/17203558/index.html

Bounty Hunter: Missing 3-Year-Old Girl's Mom To Be Bailed Out Of Jail
Woman Being Held On $500,000 Bond
POSTED: Friday, August 15, 2008
UPDATED: 8:47 am EDT August 17, 2008
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/17202414/detail.html

Leonard Padilla, who hosts a TV show called "Bounty Hunters" on National Geographic....

The Padillas announced the move in an e-mail to Local 6 News.

The e-mail stated:

"On Sunday, August 17, World Famous Bounty Hunter Leonard Padilla and his nephew Tony Padilla, owner of Tony Padilla Bail Bonds of Sacramento, CA., will be traveling to Orlando with two of Leonard Padilla's associates. Tony Padilla will be posting a $500,000.00 bond for the release of Casey Anthony."

Nancy Grace August 18, 2008 - Pat Lalama, guest host
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0808/18/ng.01.html

Lalama: Now, hold on. Now, hold on. You said tonight -- I said, Where is the bondsman? Why is he not here? And you said, Because I am the media *****. You said those words.

Padilla: Yes, I did.....


Lalama: Mr. Padilla, why could not a completely credible sufficient bondsman in the city of Orlando come forward? And why -- I'm from California, so you know, thanks for being here with me. But why did it take you and your nephew 3,000 miles and $50,000 of your own money to come here and execute the release of this woman?

Padilla: How do you pronounce cojones?

[sammy62]

I think Andrea Lyon has put the fear of god, or at least of death, into Casey. I think Andrea Lyon has told Casey she probably can't get her out of jail/prison but she hopes, HOPES!, to be able to prevent her from being put to death by the state.

I think Jose always let Casey believe he would get her off, whereas Andrea is telling her the stark truth.

That's what I believe is the difference in Casey's most recent demeanor in court.

And dang, did she look bad.

I totally agree with you. Reality has finally hit. I think she is also suffering from depression. I went through depression after my cancer diagnose/and sister dying in same month. I didn't want to see anyone, go anywhere, could care less how I looked. Its very debilitating.

I so want her to get LWP. Death is too good for her. Life at her age has to be the worst punishment in the world. MOO

[Barbara fl.]

I am stll sticking with my thoughts that Casey searched Trenton And MDuckett ... missing case.

Well let's put it this way...Casey most certainly was either following these cases and reading up on all these cases...that is what made her think she could be the one to pull it off....she thought she had it down good.....now she's probably kicking herself for not hiding the body better....she probably thinks that was her only mistake....

She will never own up to Zanny the nanny none existing....she will take it all with her to the big house....

[frances1]

I totally agree with you. Reality has finally hit. I think she is also suffering from depression. I went through depression after my cancer diagnose/and sister dying in same month. I didn't want to see anyone, go anywhere, could care less how I looked. Its very debilitating.

I so want her to get LWP. Death is too good for her. Life at her age has to be the worst punishment in the world. MOO

I think you're right about the depression. Her hair was not just 'one day dirty', but looked as if it hadn't been washed in a good while. Shows lack of interest in own appearance, especially for a court date.

[Barbara fl.]

I don't think the pants and shirt were picked to go together -- I don't think anyone delivered clothes for Casey to wear, but that she had to accept something out of the closet that I've heard jails keep for court appearances. I can't imagine that Cindy would have made those choices, or Jose -- these were used, old clothes, ill-fitting and ugly.

Wow, how Casey has come down in the fashion scene, no more blue dresses and boots to pole dance at Fusion, no more new lacy bras from Target to entice TonE.

She must abhor, HATE, getting dressed and having to show up in court. I'm sure she'd much rather be sitting it out in her dorm room.


Well, i'm sure Amy stopped her credit cards and changed her checking account.....but I bet Casey is really pizzed that Cindy is enjoying all the money this is coming in for Cindy and she isn't there to spend it.....

She better get used to it...because she isn't going any where....

[Sun]

Yesterday, Baez put George on the witness stand. To provide testimony in order to get Judge SS to approve his motion. George testified, answering questions from Baez and was cross examined by LDB.

Was George helpful to Baez yesterday? Or did LDB win the round?

....ah shucks, we have to wait for Judge SS's ruling.

Can George's testimony yesterday be used at a later hearing, for either the defense or prosecution?

[Katt2]

I think Andrea Lyon has put the fear of god, or at least of death, into Casey. I think Andrea Lyon has told Casey she probably can't get her out of jail/prison but she hopes, HOPES!, to be able to prevent her from being put to death by the state.

I think Jose always let Casey believe he would get her off, whereas Andrea is telling her the stark truth.

That's what I believe is the difference in Casey's most recent demeanor in court.

And dang, did she look bad.

I think you are right about AL. It is quite significant when she was arguing the motion yesterday that she stressed she was trying to save Casey's life--not prove her innocence as Jose was saying. I think she has told Casey it doesn't look good for her.

[sammy62]

I couldn't believe George yesterday. When he was being deposed I thought he just didn't realize that it was a court proceeding. But yesterday, he was as arrogant and rude as before. I detest that man.

[Scampi]

I've thought and thought about this. The defense's only hope is to get people picked for the jury, that would not think it odd for a mother of a 34 month old child to show any concern if her child was away with someone else for over a month. And these jurists would also have to have an extreme mistrust of LE/FBI and the government.

Yep, that's exactly what they are hoping for. Just look at what happened in spector one, they got one little wingnut to think it was reasonable for Lana Clarkson to root thru spectors side cabinet, looking for a gun, so she could commit suicide in the parlor of a man she met that night. Despite five women who testified he held a gun to their faces and threatened to shoot them.

Why did this goof think it was reasonable? Because his grandmother was known to snoop thru other peoples homes.

Linda kenney baden will be searching for that one juror who will give the OC the benefit of the doubt and not convict, based on some outrageous claim of supposed reasonable doubt.

They will never get a not guilty, they are hoping for a hung jury. Jury selection in this case is going to be critical.

[*Serenity*]

Well let's put it this way...Casey most certainly was either following these cases and reading up on all these cases...that is what made her think she could be the one to pull it off....she thought she had it down good.....now she's probably kicking herself for not hiding the body better....she probably thinks that was her only mistake....

She will never own up to Zanny the nanny none existing....she will take it all with her to the big house....

Melinda Duckett lied and had similiar behaviors as Casey, although Casey is far worse in my opinion. Melinda couldn't keep up with charade and she knew she was going down--so she took herself out before they could get to her.

I still think about little Trenton.

[Scampi]

I think you are right about AL. It is quite significant when she was arguing the motion yesterday that she stressed she was trying to save Casey's life--not prove her innocence as Jose was saying. I think she has told Casey it doesn't look good for her.

Hey Kittkatt!!!

I did notice that this week we got the motion from the defense claiming they did not get the fbi reports yet. But yesterday, there was no mention of that. I am wondering if that info was turned over and that accounted for casey's change in demeanor.

[denjet]

I re-listened to Macaluso litigate. Put everything out of my mind (everything that I knew about the subject) and just listened. Listened to his words, sentences, and his tone. I have to say, if I hadn't already read the Discovery, I might be inclined to believe what he was saying. He was passionate and sure sounded like he believed what he was saying.

But if I factor in what I've read in the Discovery, what he says isn't fitting in with what I know of the other facts in the Discovery. He says it's all in his brief or response to the court, ....I guess that I should find that doc and study it.
Hi Sun!
He sounds pretty convincing, huh? Now if we go back to some of Baez's first pressers, he too sounded pretty convincing ... Caylee's Alive ... Casey is innocent ... blah, blah, blah ... however with the amount of evidence and Caylee's remains being found and an extensive investigation, Macaluso just sounds like he's blowin' wind from where the sun don't shine! :tonguewag:

[Dells]

The right person is behind bars. If it was an accident, she should have come forward and said so. Called 911, etc. JMO. Obviously premeditated based on the computer searches.

Later peeps!

I so agree w/you. To add to that, if it was anybody else that was responsible besides Casey, she would have been spilling her guts to LE from the beginning. Nobody buys the defense's claims that Casey is staying quiet because she is protecting her family.:rolleyes:

[denjet]

I think it is interesting they put George on the stand yesterday, not Cindy. They called George before the GJ, not Cindy. During the motion hearing re the autopsy report, George is also the one that spoke, not Cindy. I am beginning to see a pattern. :tonguewag:

I would not be surprised if G & C's time on the stands is short lived. I would love to see:

Prosecution: Please state your name for the record.

Witness: Cynthia Anthony.

Prosecution: How are you related to the defendant?

Witness: I am her mother.

Prosecution: Mrs. Anthony, when is the last time you saw your granddaughter, Caylee?

Witness: June 15, 2008.

Prosecution: No more questions.

and a repeat of the above for George except George would say June 16, 2008.

I think Cindy would blow a cork and George would rip the courtroom door off the hinges as he stormed out.

jmo
Hi Des!
You're right, there IS a pattern ... NO ONE wants to try to get answers out of Cindy! It's too painful !! I know for sure there's going to be a lot of tempers flaring!! Both George and Cindy have absolutely no respect for authorities including the court and will do what ever they think it takes to try to defend their murderous daughter ... the end justifies the means ... I expect we'll see some serious smackdowns from the judge ... Cindy may even be given a "time-out" :biggrin:

[Sun]

Hi Sun!
He sounds pretty convincing, huh? Now if we go back to some of Baez's first pressers, he too sounded pretty convincing ... Caylee's Alive ... Casey is innocent ... blah, blah, blah ... however with the amount of evidence and Caylee's remains being found and an extensive investigation, Macaluso just sounds like he's blowin' wind from where the sun don't shine! :tonguewag:

Only convincing until one compares what he is saying to what is in the Discovery, Macaluso that is. I hope his role on the team has nothing to do with opening and closing statements.

Not sure I've ever listened to Baez and had that convincing feeling.

[bchand]

I couldn't believe George yesterday. When he was being deposed I thought he just didn't realize that it was a court proceeding. But yesterday, he was as arrogant and rude as before. I detest that man.

I agree Sammy. He was definitely defiant. Judge Strickland got a look at the other side of George for sure. (Unless he's seen him while "channel surfing" as he calls it.)

[apothecary]

Somewhere in my muddled memory it seems I remember LP saying that he contacted JB because he truly believed he could help find Caylee. He believed she was alive and had been kidnapped.
He also said he soon realized that was not the case.
I can't believe that LP is that stupid.I think he knew a good story when he saw it.Same with Baez.

[denjet]

You are probably right about Casey's friends. They probably have every number associated with the A's blocked...or I would.

I really feel bad for these kids. They are either in school or just entering the work force and thrown into the middle of this mess + having to come up with $$$ for attorneys. jmo
Even friends that knew the whole family for a long time are probably hiding ... especially after seeing Cindy in action and all the innocent people that have been dragged into this drama and what's happening to all of them1

It's such a shame ... I really feel bad for them too ... and for what? That POS that's trying to get away with murdering her 2 year old!! It makes me sick when I think of the people being attacked and money wasted in defending that low-life ! :cursing:

[*Serenity*]

I agree Sammy. He was definitely defiant. Judge Strickland got a look at the other side of George for sure. (Unless he's seen him while "channel surfing" as he calls it.)

Yea... Judge has brought up his channel surfing in court prior to this time as well. He has watched all of the entire cast of characters played out on national television, and I'm sure he hasn't missed any of Baez's Blunders either. NOTHING... nada from the State or LE, unless LE was making a public statement during the time they were searching for Caylee.

Originally he made the comment that the truth and Ms. Anthony are strangers. lol I'm sure he is very well aware of the games the Anthony's, and Baez have been playing since day 1. AND he has to know that Baez changed the rules on Padilla once they got in town for him to go get his girl.

[apothecary]

Melinda Duckett lied and had similiar behaviors as Casey, although Casey is far worse in my opinion. Melinda couldn't keep up with charade and she knew she was going down--so she took herself out before they could get to her.

I still think about little Trenton.

Me too:sad:....

[denjet]

Yesterday, Baez put George on the witness stand. To provide testimony in order to get Judge SS to approve his motion. George testified, answering questions from Baez and was cross examined by LDB.

Was George helpful to Baez yesterday? Or did LDB win the round?

....ah shucks, we have to wait for Judge SS's ruling.

Can George's testimony yesterday be used at a later hearing, for either the defense or prosecution?

My vote is for the prosecution and George's evasiveness about his "security" people did more damage to the defense than good, at least by the time LDB was thru with him! He came off as beligerant and dishonest ... and did you see that non-stop eye blinking?

My question on the "confidentiality agreement" is why was it necessary to tell KC not to talk to any of them if they already had an agreement in place ... things that make me go hhmmmm

Here's hoping there really IS something bogus about the document that Tony Padilla says is not the paper he signed ... :sneaky:

[*Serenity*]

My vote is for the prosecution and George's evasiveness about his "security" people did more damage to the defense than good, at least by the time LDB was thru with him! He came off as beligerant and dishonest ... and did you see that non-stop eye blinking?

My question on the "confidentiality agreement" is why was it necessary to tell KC not to talk to any of them if they already had an agreement in place ... things that make me go hhmmmm

Here's hoping there really IS something bogus about the document that Tony Padilla says is not the paper he signed ... :sneaky:

Baez coached and prepped George real good prior to this hearing yesterday. Baez told George exactly what to say and why they needed him to go with the security story. Baez keeps George and Cindy close to use them for his lies with hopes of get Casey off the hook. The Peterson's fell for the same BS from Geragos-- as long as they kept paying him the big bucks, and continue with the mantra Scott is innoncent- he will walk. Boy- were they ever fooled!

Baez is doing a pretty good job with G and C though-- they are falling for his bag of tricks, and they might just end up behind bars right along with their daughter.

TPadilla did state how coniving and dishonest Baez is, of course he didn't know that way back in the beginning. Baez set all of them up.

[Buttoneyes]

Your raise a good question. What kind of juror will the defense look for?

Really, really DUMB, barely functioning, low IQ.

[BlueTurtle]

Sorry to say, imoho the defense. Thanks to this judge. He will also continue to give in to the defense. He needs a back bone and stand up to them for a change. I don't see it happening though. He scares the bejebbies out of me. Although the way things are going he may have retired by the time this goes to trial.

Oh lord wait untill Lyon turns on the waterworks, he will just melt.

Some items should be conceded for the defense. If withheld, it might create a chance for a reversal and a new trial woud be needed. I think the TES narrowing it down to 32 makes perfectly good sense. I think the judge will go with that. If a searcher changed where they were hunting, it is up to the defense to prove that there is good cause to ask for more than the searchers verified by TES for that location.

The whole thing with Padilla is so laughable.

The difference between JB and AL is astounding. Hopefully, Caey is beginning to see what a bumbler JB is. AL is articulate and organised in her arguments before the judge. You could see KC paying close attention to AL when she was up in front of the judge.

[bchand]

Some items should be conceded for the defense. If withheld, it might create a chance for a reversal and a new trial woud be needed. I think the TES narrowing it down to 32 makes perfectly good sense. I think the judge will go with that. If a searcher changed where they were hunting, it is up to the defense to prove that there is good cause to ask for more than the searchers verified by TES for that location.

The whole thing with Padilla is so laughable.

The difference between JB and AL is astounding. Hopefully, Caey is beginning to see what a bumbler JB is. AL is articulate and organised in her arguments before the judge. You could see KC paying close attention to AL when she was up in front of the judge.

You're so right BlueTurtle. I also saw Casey leaning in toward AL and saying things. She's seen the difference in these attorneys, IMO.

[BlueTurtle]

Exactly....I think they are staying away because Baez wants them to, he don't trust what they will say or try to say in code (like Lee was doing when he visited his sister)...The Antony's think they are smarter than anyone else...they will try and tell Casey something, they wouldn't be able to help themselves (especially Cindy)....But I also think that Casey doesn't want to see Cindy because she show contempt towards Cindy and I believe it's due to Cindy calling 911...along with a long time fued between them...

Cindy sure did try to get Casey's attention when she turned around, but one of the other lawyers was in the way. She kept trying to see around the guy without success. Their relationship is so dysfunctional. I am pretty sure the a's will be under a number of restrictions when the jury is present. I can understad supporting their daughter, but they violate their own claim to be Christians just rebaptized.

I do hope they are found guilty at some point of obstruction of justice, perjury and destruction of evidence.

[Mamie]

Him Mamie - some of my favs from yesterday - Judge Stan calling Lenny a flamboyant cowboy oh, that one was too funny! When he said the horse was already out of the barn I heard a collective WHOO HOO from this entire board!

There were like 5 posts that said BARN - OPEN...HORSE - GONE!

Too too too funny! And as far as a red carpet event for all of use here - Did Casey come through with enough fodder for all of us for as long as necessary to get to the next doc dump? I'd give that a huge :w00t: She just looked - so lovely yesterday...and AL? She's just a sweet, soft and very feminine pit bull wearing lipstick, MOO!

And by MOO I do not mean the noise a COW makes, either! :tonguewag:

Back at ya:seeya: OMG, I know! And what's up with George going to court dressed the way he was? Not that I give him any credit for anything these days but my God, I thought it was shameful the way he was dressed. But it did tell me how much disrespect and contempt he has now for any of the proceedings. Then when he was off the stand I got a shot of Cindy and he both chewing their cud. Atleast Cindy had on a dress, don't know if with flipflops or not, but it was a summer dress, nonetheless. But George's casual look like he was on vacation or going for a walk on the wharf was too much-----and put that with the lies, it was waaaayyy over the top! JMO

(adding that I had to remove your "thumbs up" image because it was telling me that I had used one too many images when I had only really used one!) Will be glad when they get all the bugs worked out of our messaging.

[Mamie]

You're so right BlueTurtle. I also saw Casey leaning in toward AL and saying things. She's seen the difference in these attorneys, IMO.


I know I'm way behind now in this case since I've been in on other thread cases with the time I'm here, but what happened to Linda Kenney-Baden? Is she in or out? TIA!

[BlueTurtle]

What they did to TES was horrifying.. Poor Tim..firm believer in what goes around comes around and cindy and geroge will get theirs..one way or another..

Sometimes it seems like an awful long time until it comes back around. I am always suprised when it happens quickly. The grief my sister caused me when I was a child has come back around finally. She got diagnosed in the last couple of years as bipolar and has struggled with it. (It explains a lot about my childhood experiences.) 40 + years of waiting but it did happen.

[Cindylee]

I have a question, sorry if it is common knowledge, but I was watching JVM yesterday, and she showed Mrs. Anthony saying she hadn't seen her daughter in months. Are they not allowed to visit?

[bchand]

I know I'm way behind now in this case since I've been in on other thread cases with the time I'm here, but what happened to Linda Kenney-Baden? Is she in or out? TIA!

She's in. She just wasn't needed in this particular hearing.

[bchand]

I have a question, sorry if it is common knowledge, but I was watching JVM yesterday, and she showed Mrs. Anthony saying she hadn't seen her daughter in months. Are they not allowed to visit?

IMO Casey doesn't want them visiting. The general info is that Jose advised her not to see them.

All their visits are taped and could be made public. None of them have enough self control to just visit as a family and not say something incriminating.


eta: Of course, their version is that what they say will be "misconstrued."

[Cindylee]

IMO Casey doesn't want them visiting. The general info is that Jose advised her not to see them.

All their visits are taped and could be made public. None of them have enough self control to just visit as a family and not say something incriminating.


eta: Of course, their version is that what they say will be "misconstrued."

Oh I see. Thank you.

[Mamie]

She's in. She just wasn't needed in this particular hearing.

Thanks bchand

[BlueTurtle]

:) do you think it will take her that long?

Florida's use of depositions helps speed up the process of trying a case from what I understand. George and Cindy are already nailed down on their statements. I am pretty sure SA are working to determine the truthfulness of their answers before trial starts.

[onlykaty]

Is there a link to hear what TP had to say this morning? If its been posted I missed it. Sorry if this has been already been asked..

[BlueTurtle]

When I was listening to TL's attorney litigate yesterday, a thought came to me. How many of Casey's (ex)friends may have completely changed their phones, pcs, etc.... even jobs, addresses, just to separate themselves from being further exposed or associated with Casey. The Discovery released has been brutally invasive.

Wasn't TonE and his roomate moving to a different apartment soon after the summer. I thought I had read that somewhere.

[ttcRider]

I'm surprised Lee didnt show up in court on Friday to 'see' his sister. Do you guys think he is the only one in the family who isnt buying this story?? His low profile these days has me wondering....:confused: oh gawd... I think I'm going soft. LOL

[bchand]

Is there a link to hear what TP had to say this morning? If its been posted I missed it. Sorry if this has been already been asked..

Yes, I believe it was Sun who posted it this morning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWhFeHz5aRI

[bchand]

I'm surprised Lee didnt show up in court on Friday to 'see' his sister. Do you guys think he is the only one in the family who isnt buying this story?? His low profile these days has me wondering....:confused:

Lee may just have a job like many "normal" people where you just can't take time off easily. Of course his parents are retired so they have all the free time in the world.

Personally, I have no confidence in any member of that Hopespring household. Whether they buy the story or not, it seems they'd be happy to see her get away with it.

They've never held her accountable for anything.

[*Serenity*]

Is there a link to hear what TP had to say this morning? If its been posted I missed it. Sorry if this has been already been asked..

He was back at WS on a Q/A thread. Lots of input for inquiring minds.

[Katprint]

Only convincing until one compares what he is saying to what is in the Discovery, Macaluso that is. I hope his role on the team has nothing to do with opening and closing statements.Aw, who are you going to believe - Macaluso or your lying eyes?
Not sure I've ever listened to Baez and had that convincing feeling.
I agree! Baez is the least convincing advocate I have ever heard. Seriously, I have heard better arguments from certified law clerks who are still in law school. An immediate improvement would be for Baez to stop the self-aggrandizing that he ALWAYS begins with, how no other hispanic attorney has ever been under such scrutiny (:tonguewag: pththth to you, former U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales! and to you, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor!) and how no other case in Florida has ever had so much publicity as this one (gosh, it's been 20 years since serial killer Ted Bundy was executed there so surely everyone has forgotten all about him by now) and how great he is at "ducking" what all these other mean attorneys are throwing at him and so on and so forth. You would think he might take a hint from how the judges always start their statements with some self-deprecating remark along the lines of, "I've only been doing this for 25 years so maybe you can school me about why [pertinent adverse appellate decision] doesn't apply here."

Sticking to the truth would also be an improvement, but Baez makes stuff up as he goes along. When he does tell the truth, it is usually an inadvertent slip - like at the last hearing when he mentioned that the reason they want Tony Lazzaro's phone records is not so much to find out who he was calling but to find out if he was in the Anthony neighborhood after Caylee went "missing" before her body was discovered BECAUSE THEY PLAN TO BLAME TONY LAZZARO FOR THE MURDER. Then whoops! Baez tried to backtrack but there is really no unringing that bell.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[onlykaty]

Yes, I believe it was Sun who posted it this morning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWhFeHz5aRI

Thanks bchand

After listening to that I don't think Biaz is going to win this one. I hope LP has something to say that is very incriminating. There must be something there or the defense team wouldn't be so adament about keeping it out..jmo

[frances1]

Cindy sure did try to get Casey's attention when she turned around, but one of the other lawyers was in the way. She kept trying to see around the guy without success. Their relationship is so dysfunctional. I am pretty sure the a's will be under a number of restrictions when the jury is present. I can understad supporting their daughter, but they violate their own claim to be Christians just rebaptized.

I do hope they are found guilty at some point of obstruction of justice, perjury and destruction of evidence.

But Cindy claimed in her brief statement as she came out of the building that she was able to mouth 'I love you' to Casey, and Casey was able to mouth the same thing back. She also said she noticed Casey 'sobbing' when George took the stand. Once again, exaggeration and hyperbole with Cindy.

[101Spots]

Aw, who are you going to believe - Macaluso or your lying eyes?

I agree! Baez is the least convincing advocate I have ever heard. Seriously, I have heard better arguments from certified law clerks who are still in law school. An immediate improvement would be for Baez to stop the self-aggrandizing that he ALWAYS begins with, how no other hispanic attorney has ever been under such scrutiny (:tonguewag: pththth to you, former U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales! and to you, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor!) and how no other case in Florida has ever had so much publicity as this one (gosh, it's been 20 years since serial killer Ted Bundy was executed there so surely everyone has forgotten all about him by now) and how great he is at "ducking" what all these other mean attorneys are throwing at him and so on and so forth. You would think he might take a hint from how the judges always start their statements with some self-deprecating remark along the lines of, "I've only been doing this for 25 years so maybe you can school me about why [pertinent adverse appellate decision] doesn't apply here."

Sticking to the truth would also be an improvement, but Baez makes stuff up as he goes along. When he does tell the truth, it is usually an inadvertent slip - like at the last hearing when he mentioned that the reason they want Tony Lazzaro's phone records is not so much to find out who he was calling but to find out if he was in the Anthony neighborhood after Caylee went "missing" before her body was discovered BECAUSE THEY PLAN TO BLAME TONY LAZZARO FOR THE MURDER. Then whoops! Baez tried to backtrack but there is really no unringing that bell.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Do you think that Lyon is in any way regretting her decision to join this circus? By most accounts, she has her moo-poo together. Now she's exposed to this juvenile posturing and blatant error-making clown on the same team. She's *got* to have some misgivings, no?

[BlueTurtle]

I enjoyed it when the SA brought up the fact that Baez et al indicated they were too busy to do the check-fraud case now and the SA shared that Baez has picked up a number of NEW clients since the DP was put back in place. If they are so busy, then AL should take a leave of absense from the University to spend more time in Florida to work on Caey's case. I think this case shows why Florida enacted the law to give victims the right to a speedy trial. No case should supersede any other one. The check charges came before the murder charges. The one shouldn't prevent the other from going to trial in a timely fashion.

Also, it was made clear that Baez et al would need to fork over money before any copies or supervision of the records would occur. Tells me that Baez has a bad reputation regarding payment. Did he ever pick up the CD last year that he was so noisy about?

[onlykaty]

But Cindy claimed in her brief statement as she came out of the building that she was able to mouth 'I love you' to Casey, and Casey was able to mouth the same thing back. She also said she noticed Casey 'sobbing' when George took the stand. Once again, exaggeration and hyperbole with Cindy.


After I heard Cindy say that, I immediately thought, when did that happen? I never once saw Casey even glance Cindy's way. As far as sobbing goes I really didn't see a tear. The long days in jail are starting to tell on her but if she feels any remorse she would admit what she did and let little Caylee rest in peace.

as always jmo

[msgatorslayer]

Did the Judge give a date for when he'd rule on these motions?

[bchand]

Do you think that Lyon is in any way regretting her decision to join this circus? By most accounts, she has her moo-poo together. Now she's exposed to this juvenile posturing and blatant error-making clown on the same team. She's *got* to have some misgivings, no?

We'll get a clue when we see the next motion she files. Lately they've been signed, for example - Andrea Lyon, member of defense team - Jose Baez, member of defense team.

We'll see if she takes a more active role. I sure wouldn't want to have his name on the motion if I did all the work. He surely will take credit it.

[101Spots]

Did the Judge give a date for when he'd rule on these motions?

I believe he pinned it down to "soon."

[CatMagnet]

Respectfully snipped:


Sticking to the truth would also be an improvement, but Baez makes stuff up as he goes along. When he does tell the truth, it is usually an inadvertent slip - like at the last hearing when he mentioned that the reason they want Tony Lazzaro's phone records is not so much to find out who he was calling but to find out if he was in the Anthony neighborhood after Caylee went "missing" before her body was discovered BECAUSE THEY PLAN TO BLAME TONY LAZZARO FOR THE MURDER. Then whoops! Baez tried to backtrack but there is really no unringing that bell.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Do I sound uber-paranoid if I say I think this whole "we're going to blame Lazzaro" line is a smokescreen? Could it be possible they're "accidentally" letting their defense plans slip, so the prosecution builds their case around refuting this? Then, when the trial happens, Baez et al use a whole different line of defense?

imo

[ScoobyDoo]

But Cindy claimed in her brief statement as she came out of the building that she was able to mouth 'I love you' to Casey, and Casey was able to mouth the same thing back. She also said she noticed Casey 'sobbing' when George took the stand. Once again, exaggeration and hyperbole with Cindy.



But George did mouth "I love you" to her, so maybe Cindy mispoke, or you misheard.

[BlueTurtle]

After I heard Cindy say that, I immediately thought, when did that happen? I never once saw Casey even glance Cindy's way. As far as sobbing goes I really didn't see a tear. The long days in jail are starting to tell on her but if she feels any remorse she would admit what she did and let little Caylee rest in peace.

as always jmo

I didn't see one tear. I saw her wiping her eyes, but not a tear in sight. Casey does appear haggard. I think she has finally seen the light that she is facing the DP and most likely will be in prison a long time. I wonder how this would have gone down if she admitted to accidently killing Caylee. She could have served a few years and still gotten out to have a life. I could see Caylee becoming overheated if left in the car in a car seat with duct tape on her mouth. That time has come and gone for this scenario to be used to reduce Casey's level of charges.

[*Serenity*]

Thanks bchand

After listening to that I don't think Biaz is going to win this one. I hope LP has something to say that is very incriminating. There must be something there or the defense team wouldn't be so adament about keeping it out..jmo

Casey making the statement in front of Tracy that they haven't even found Caylee's clothes yet.

[msgatorslayer]

I believe he pinned it down to "soon."

Thanks, Spots.

[Katprint]

Do you think that Lyon is in any way regretting her decision to join this circus? By most accounts, she has her moo-poo together. Now she's exposed to this juvenile posturing and blatant error-making clown on the same team. She's *got* to have some misgivings, no?
She might, but it's one of those thing that depends on how you look at it. In my own experience, being brought in as the savior on a troublesome case that has turned to poop is very gratifying. If you can pull the rabbit out of the hat and come up with some genius solution then you're a hero. If the case continues to be troublesome then no one blames you because it was already troublesome before you got there.

Casey Anthony dug herself into a deep hole with her outrageous unbelievable lies. Baez turned Casey's hole into a potential grave with his ego, inability to distinguish between fame and notoriety, and lack of experience practicing law. AL's worst-case scenario is that she won't be able to improve Casey's situation. I doubt anybody really holds her responsible for failing to control Baez' ramblings nor will they blame her if she can't come up with some great evidence that exonerates Casey. The die was pretty much cast before she got there and if she can pull this case out of the toilet, she will be regarded as a miracle worker.

Besides, as a criminal defense attorney, you get used to dealing with people who behave badly. Usually it's your client, not your co-counsel, whose behavior is the problem but at least Baez is unlikely to grab up a pen and stab her in court (which happens to defense attorneys at least a couple times every year).

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[msgatorslayer]

I didn't see one tear. I saw her wiping her eyes, but not a tear in sight. Casey does appear haggard. I think she has finally seen the light that she is facing the DP and most likely will be in prison a long time. I wonder how this would have gone down if she admitted to accidently killing Caylee. She could have served a few years and still gotten out to have a life. I could see Caylee becoming overheated if left in the car in a car seat with duct tape on her mouth. That time has come and gone for this scenario to be used to reduce Casey's level of charges.

I wouldn't go as far to say she was wiping her eyes. More like, dabbing the lower eyes. Still a bit vain. She can't get her eyes all puffy. Wait - there wasn't enough tears to do a full wipe, lol.:mad:

[101Spots]

She might, but it's one of those thing that depends on how you look at it. In my own experience, being brought in as the savior on a troublesome case that has turned to poop is very gratifying. If you can pull the rabbit out of the hat and come up with some genius solution then you're a hero. If the case continues to be troublesome then no one blames you because it was already troublesome before you got there.

Casey Anthony dug herself into a deep hole with her outrageous unbelievable lies. Baez turned Casey's hole into a potential grave with his ego, inability to distinguish between fame and notoriety, and lack of experience practicing law. AL's worst-case scenario is that she won't be able to improve Casey's situation. I doubt anybody really holds her responsible for failing to control Baez' ramblings nor will they blame her if she can't come up with some great evidence that exonerates Casey. The die was pretty much cast before she got there and if she can pull this case out of the toilet, she will be regarded as a miracle worker.

Besides, as a criminal defense attorney, you get used to dealing with people who behave badly. Usually it's your client, not your co-counsel, whose behavior is the problem but at least Baez is unlikely to grab up a pen and stab her in court (which happens to defense attorneys at least a couple times every year).

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

I see your point.

If it was me, I'd be taking a shower about 4 times a day and looking into disguises.

[Katprint]

Respectfully snipped:

Do I sound uber-paranoid if I say I think this whole "we're going to blame Lazzaro" line is a smokescreen? Could it be possible they're "accidentally" letting their defense plans slip, so the prosecution builds their case around refuting this? Then, when the trial happens, Baez et al use a whole different line of defense?

imo
My personal opinion is that they will happily blame anyone and everyone whom they can prove was in that location after Caylee went "missing" until her remains were found. I think Lazzaro will be a target and I also think Cindy, George, Lee and Lee's girlfriend Mallory will be thrown under the bus.

Baez can use any line of defense that he wants to at trial. In theory, he can present conflicting theories at trial i.e. she didn't do it, but if she did it was because of [fill in the blank]. In reality, juries hate when attorneys try to do that and IMO juries view the justification as a confession of guilt then reject the justification as an excuse for the crime.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[bchand]

I see your point.

If it was me, I'd be taking a shower about 4 times a day and looking into disguises.

I wonder what NeJame thought of Baez's comment about the press conference the previous day being "tacky"?

He had left the court when Baez said it, but I'm sure he was told.

[BlueTurtle]

I wonder what NeJame thought of Baez's comment about the press conference the previous day being "tacky"?

He had left the court when Baez said it, but I'm sure he was told.

That is the pot calling the kettle black.

It is amazing that he calls NeJame tacky when Baez has just been a fool nearly every time he opens his mouth to the media.

Baez has no class. He is a petty little man.

[Imperfect4]

Aw, who are you going to believe - Macaluso or your lying eyes?

I agree! Baez is the least convincing advocate I have ever heard. Seriously, I have heard better arguments from certified law clerks who are still in law school. An immediate improvement would be for Baez to stop the self-aggrandizing that he ALWAYS begins with, how no other hispanic attorney has ever been under such scrutiny (:tonguewag: pththth to you, former U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales! and to you, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor!) and how no other case in Florida has ever had so much publicity as this one (gosh, it's been 20 years since serial killer Ted Bundy was executed there so surely everyone has forgotten all about him by now) and how great he is at "ducking" what all these other mean attorneys are throwing at him and so on and so forth. You would think he might take a hint from how the judges always start their statements with some self-deprecating remark along the lines of, "I've only been doing this for 25 years so maybe you can school me about why [pertinent adverse appellate decision] doesn't apply here."

Sticking to the truth would also be an improvement, but Baez makes stuff up as he goes along. When he does tell the truth, it is usually an inadvertent slip - like at the last hearing when he mentioned that the reason they want Tony Lazzaro's phone records is not so much to find out who he was calling but to find out if he was in the Anthony neighborhood after Caylee went "missing" before her body was discovered BECAUSE THEY PLAN TO BLAME TONY LAZZARO FOR THE MURDER. Then whoops! Baez tried to backtrack but there is really no unringing that bell.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

I've never seen such a boob. Seriously. I keep thinking I'm missing something. I keep thinking NO ONE could be that stupid and continue to open his mouth. I keep thinking he MUST know the impression he leaves, which is hopefully the opposite of the impression he intended. I keep thinking there's a strategy here somewhere ... at some point it will be revealed to us the brilliance of having JB act like an incompetent a$$.

I should stop thinking. :bored:

[Unleashed]

I'm surprised Lee didnt show up in court on Friday to 'see' his sister. Do you guys think he is the only one in the family who isnt buying this story?? His low profile these days has me wondering....:confused: oh gawd... I think I'm going soft. LOL


Ummmm, you been into the Koolaid again, missy?:laugh:

[farrahrani]

I enjoyed it when the SA brought up the fact that Baez et al indicated they were too busy to do the check-fraud case now and the SA shared that Baez has picked up a number of NEW clients since the DP was put back in place. If they are so busy, then AL should take a leave of absense from the University to spend more time in Florida to work on Caey's case. I think this case shows why Florida enacted the law to give victims the right to a speedy trial. No case should supersede any other one. The check charges came before the murder charges. The one shouldn't prevent the other from going to trial in a timely fashion.

Also, it was made clear that Baez et al would need to fork over money before any copies or supervision of the records would occur. Tells me that Baez has a bad reputation regarding payment. Did he ever pick up the CD last year that he was so noisy about?


bolding mine. IIRC, no. The cd's were the Caylee sightings called into the police hotline, yes? They were in the eight hundred to nine hundred dollar range, I think, and since anyone with a grain of freaking common sense realized Caylee was murdered instead of missing, there was no way Baez was going to fork over the money. Nor were George and Cindy about to offer to reimburse him for the tips that the police were following up on for their 'kidnapped' grandbaby. :cursing:

Shame, because it would have made the stance of 'searching for a live Caylee' only slightly more...well, not believable, but at least it would have put up a better pretense of believing.

IMO

[onlykaty]

I didn't see one tear. I saw her wiping her eyes, but not a tear in sight. Casey does appear haggard. I think she has finally seen the light that she is facing the DP and most likely will be in prison a long time. I wonder how this would have gone down if she admitted to accidently killing Caylee. She could have served a few years and still gotten out to have a life. I could see Caylee becoming overheated if left in the car in a car seat with duct tape on her mouth. That time has come and gone for this scenario to be used to reduce Casey's level of charges.

That could have been how it happened too. I have always felt that George was lieing about seeing Casey and Caylee that morning. I think that when Cindy and Caylee come home from visiting Cindy's father on fathers day they got into a huge fight. I think Casey grabbed up Caylee and left with her then. At some point not long after she left the house I feel like in a fit of rage Casey killed little Caylee. Caylee might have been sobbing loudly and Casey had to shut her up. After seeing Casey's face on video when her parents visited and how angry she was with Cindy, I have no doubt this girl has quite a temper. I have often thought if Casey could have made it look an accident she would have but for some reason, other than the obvious she knew it wouldn't work. Its so sad to think that Casey's angry face was the last thing Caylee was ever to see.

I don't know about the rest of you but its hard for me to call Casey a Mom, in reference to Caylee...:sad:

[101Spots]

Trying to put 2 and 2 together......

Consider what the defense team is racking up in billings:

4 "big time" lawyers (JB, AL, TM, LKB) @ $500/hr x 8 hrs/day = $16,000/day

4 "little" lawyers as gophers @ $200/hr x 8 hrs/day = $6,400/day

8 support personnel (paralegals, secretaries, investigators, etc.) @ $300/day = $2400/day

Total: $24,800 per day

Also: "big name" experts, copying fees, expenses (AL, TM, LKB travel and lodging) = ????

Who has this kind of money? Who has this kind of money to throw away on a murderer? And are you single?

$24,800 x 200 days = $4,960,000/year

:scared:

** I have made up these numbers, taking a WAG at the truth.

[Imperfect4]

But George did mouth "I love you" to her, so maybe Cindy mispoke, or you misheard.

You might want to read up. Cindy lied. Cindy lies.

[101Spots]

You might want to read up. Cindy lied. Cindy lies.

Continuously.

[msgatorslayer]

bolding mine. IIRC, no. The cd's were the Caylee sightings called into the police hotline, yes? They were in the eight hundred to nine hundred dollar range, I think, and since anyone with a grain of freaking common sense realized Caylee was murdered instead of missing, there was no way Baez was going to fork over the money. Nor were George and Cindy about to offer to reimburse him for the tips that the police were following up on for their 'kidnapped' grandbaby. :cursing:

Shame, because it would have made the stance of 'searching for a live Caylee' only slightly more...well, not believable, but at least it would have put up a better pretense of believing.

IMO

I remember paper copies of 'tips' being released. The majority were from 'psychics' who said Caylee was by water. Water, in Florida?:blink:

[Imperfect4]

I believe he pinned it down to "soon."

Am I the only one frushtrated that we have hearings at which nothing is ever decided? The decisions are made later. Why not review the motions, make the decisions, announce the decisions, and skip the hearings?

[BlueTurtle]

bolding mine. IIRC, no. The cd's were the Caylee sightings called into the police hotline, yes? They were in the eight hundred to nine hundred dollar range, I think, and since anyone with a grain of freaking common sense realized Caylee was murdered instead of missing, there was no way Baez was going to fork over the money. Nor were George and Cindy about to offer to reimburse him for the tips that the police were following up on for their 'kidnapped' grandbaby. :cursing:

Shame, because it would have made the stance of 'searching for a live Caylee' only slightly more...well, not believable, but at least it would have put up a better pretense of believing.

IMO

Yeah, that's the one I recall hearing about. I think the Anthony's could be set to be sued for causing money to be spent when they knew Caylee was dead. Remember the runaway bride? She had to reimburse the authorities. I think TES and the state of Florida would have a good case for sueing C&G.

[msgatorslayer]

Am I the only one frushtrated that we have hearings at which nothing is ever decided? The decisions are made later. Why not review the motions, make the decisions, announce the decisions, and skip the hearings?

ITA - Call a recess. Have a lunch break. Come back and give the decision.

Maybe because it's a DP case the Judge is taking his time.

[frances1]

But George did mouth "I love you" to her, so maybe Cindy mispoke, or you misheard.

Do you mean one of Cindy's 'mistruths'????? From my observation of her over the last year, Cindy imagines how she thinks things should be and 'makes them so' in her statements. She doesn't seem to see anything wrong with doing this. (Think alternate universe/tin-foil hat reasoning.) IMO.

[msgatorslayer]

Who has this kind of money? Who has this kind of money to throw away on a murderer? And are you single?

$24,800 x 200 days = $4,960,000/year

:scared:

** I have made up these numbers, taking a WAG at the truth.

SNIPPED

:lol: @ "are you single?':loveeyes:

[Imperfect4]

ITA - Call a recess. Have a lunch break. Come back and give the decision.

Maybe because it's a DP case the Judge is taking his time.

That's fine, but do the arguments he hears during the court sessions really help him in the least to make his decisions offline?

God knows babbling Baez isn't clarifying anything for him. Not sure why, when a motion is filed by one side or the other, the opposing side doesn't file a dang response, then Judge S. reads them both and makes a decision. Why all the hooey in the courtroom? I see no benefit. Or I haven't seen one so far. :cursing:

[frances1]

Am I the only one frushtrated that we have hearings at which nothing is ever decided? The decisions are made later. Why not review the motions, make the decisions, announce the decisions, and skip the hearings?

No, Imperfect, you're not the only one 'frushtrated'; in fact, I can hardly swallow, I'm so 'frushtrated'.

[101Spots]

ITA - Call a recess. Have a lunch break. Come back and give the decision.

Maybe because it's a DP case the Judge is taking his time.

And apparently all the lawyers involved turn in their papers 10 seconds before the deadline. SS did have to review the CD with the 3 interviews, estimated at 3 hours total + read all the almost-late motions.

I would set the deadline at 3 days before, so all this posturing could be avoided and a decision made on the spot. But nobody asked me.

[onlykaty]

You might want to read up. Cindy lied. Cindy lies.

Yep, Cindy definitely said she got to mouth to Casey she loved her and
then she stumbled over something like Casey said it back. ..Big, huge fat lie.

[Imperfect4]

<snipped to address>

Cindy imagines how she thinks things should be and 'makes them so' in her statements.

... otherwise known as lying. :wink:

[101Spots]

SNIPPED

:lol: @ "are you single?':loveeyes:

Are you kidding? $5 million/year in disposable income and you wouldn't take a long hard look at your DH? I'm not single, but I could be. :D:

Nah, he's too cute.

[101Spots]

That's fine, but do the arguments he hears during the court sessions really help him in the least to make his decisions offline?

God knows babbling Baez isn't clarifying anything for him. Not sure why, when a motion is filed by one side or the other, the opposing side doesn't file a dang response, then Judge S. reads them both and makes a decision. Why all the hooey in the courtroom? I see no benefit. Or I haven't seen one so far. :cursing:

Well, in Baez's case, he has to explain what he ~meant~ to say in his motions. :lol:

[Imperfect4]

Yeah, that's the one I recall hearing about. I think the Anthony's could be set to be sued for causing money to be spent when they knew Caylee was dead. Remember the runaway bride? She had to reimburse the authorities. I think TES and the state of Florida would have a good case for sueing C&G.

That would be simply delicious, wouldn't it? :drool:

Better move Cindy to a launchpad before that happens. She'll go off like a rocket.

All the fits she's thrown since day 31 will pale in comparison to her reaction to a threat to her Benjamins.

[Imperfect4]

No, Imperfect, you're not the only one 'frushtrated'; in fact, I can hardly swallow, I'm so 'frushtrated'.

Off to your neutral place with you then. Don't forget your blanket, your Bible, and your copy of Self-Comforting for Dummies. :laugh:

[onlykaty]

IF I was a gambler, I would bet that all this happened on Father's Day the 15th of June.
George and Cindy have done everything to stay away from that particular date. They don't want any questions coming out about the big fight they had that night. That's why Cindy says the 8-9th and George is saying the morning of the 16th.
jmo

ITA, I don't think George seen them at all on the 16th. I think if it wasn't that they can prove that Cindy had Caylee on the 15th, they would have stuck with that story of it being the 8th or 9th. Imo, Caylee was already dead on the 16th..

[msgatorslayer]

IF I was a gambler, I would bet that all this happened on Father's Day the 15th of June.
George and Cindy have done everything to stay away from that particular date. They don't want any questions coming out about the big fight they had that night. That's why Cindy says the 8-9th and George is saying the morning of the 16th.
jmo

Completely agree! George can 'remember' what Casey and Caylee were wearing, 31 days after he last saw Caylee. Cindy can 'remember' every fantasy story Casey told her. But none of them can get the date Caylee was last in their home right? I'm not buying it.

They stayed clear of the the real date because they didn't want the big fight to be revealed. They didn't want LE to know the truth. If it wasn't for the video from the nursing home and the neighbors hearing the fight, they'd still be saying it was the 8th-9th.

Not to mention, Casey herself said it had been '31 days'. With all the lies Casey told, even she remembered when she killed her Daughter.

[ttcRider]

IF I was a gambler, I would bet that all this happened on Father's Day the 15th of June.
George and Cindy have done everything to stay away from that particular date. They don't want any questions coming out about the big fight they had that night. That's why Cindy says the 8-9th and George is saying the morning of the 16th.
jmo

My money is on the 15th too. I dont believe (anything) George saying he saw them the next morning. :sneaky:

[denjet]

I wonder what NeJame thought of Baez's comment about the press conference the previous day being "tacky"?

He had left the court when Baez said it, but I'm sure he was told.
Hi bchand!
That was another Baez doozie! It got a big WHAT? out of me ... Baez calling Nejame tacky ... oh, that's rich ...

Baez's demeanor in court is that of a wise guy with his hands in his pockets ... from not sitting down when he's supposed to and another lawyer is addressing the court ... to grandstanding and posturing for the cameras ... he's got a lot of nerve complaining about the prosecution leaks and trying his client in the media ... HIS fatmouth is the one that never misses a media moment ... everyone knows this, but he STILL continues to accuse everyone else of it ...

[Mamie]

Respectfully snipped:



Do I sound uber-paranoid if I say I think this whole "we're going to blame Lazzaro" line is a smokescreen? Could it be possible they're "accidentally" letting their defense plans slip, so the prosecution builds their case around refuting this? Then, when the trial happens, Baez et al use a whole different line of defense?

imo

The only thing the def is doing (IMO) is trying to get to each and every potential juror with misinformation that could cause reasonable doubt with them. If they can get a couple of points through cell phone records or Lazzaro's Jeep then they made their point whether or not they make it stick. Then if they can focus on another one of Casey's ex-boyfriends in some way, same story. The def would feel that this helps to level the playing ground as far as Casey goes since there is no real smoking gun with her actually committing the murder. If they hope to prove that MAYBE TL (by cell phone pings) was in the area that Caylee's body was found, then they can cause reasonable doubt by saying that. I only hope that TL didn't go by the Anthony house just out of curiosity because although that would not prove him to be anything other than curious-----I don't think anyone would need the extra questions. (I know if this were me and someone I were involved with the way Casey and TL were, I would probably be going by the house out of curiousity because I just gotta know what's going on and I would think that probably would be normal habit of curious people.) JMO

[denjet]

I've never seen such a boob. Seriously. I keep thinking I'm missing something. I keep thinking NO ONE could be that stupid and continue to open his mouth. I keep thinking he MUST know the impression he leaves, which is hopefully the opposite of the impression he intended. I keep thinking there's a strategy here somewhere ... at some point it will be revealed to us the brilliance of having JB act like an incompetent a$$.

I should stop thinking. :bored:

Hi Imp!
Ditto! I couldn't agree with you more! :thumbsup:
Intelligent minds try to figure out where he's heading with this and what each move he makes means when in reality he could just be the inept baffoon he's seems to be and that's all there is ... :tonguewag:

[Katprint]

Completely agree! George can 'remember' what Casey and Caylee were wearing, 31 days after he last saw Caylee. Cindy can 'remember' every fantasy story Casey told her. But none of them can get the date Caylee was last in their home right? I'm not buying it.

They stayed clear of the the real date because they didn't want the big fight to be revealed. They didn't want LE to know the truth. If it wasn't for the video from the nursing home and the neighbors hearing the fight, they'd still be saying it was the 8th-9th.

Not to mention, Casey herself said it had been '31 days'. With all the lies Casey told, even she remembered when she killed her Daughter.
Not that I'm a big Anthony fan, because I am really really not as you can tell from the tone of my postings, but I am also really not a number person. As I sit here, I know that it is Saturday but I don't know the exact date. I know that it is August 20-something but that is all I know. I got married to my current husband on the 4th of July primarily because that is an easy date to remember (and also because having fireworks on your anniversary is fun) and spouses get really grumpy when you don't remember your wedding anniversary or their birthdays. I have set up web notification systems to remind me of my husband's birthday to avoid such grumpiness. I use both a physical calendar and legal calendaring software to track legal deadlines; otherwise, I would be a malpractice nightmare. In fact, I think my legal malpractice carrier actually requires two calendaring systems as a condition of coverage. There must be a lot of attorneys like me that are good with words and bad with numbers.

If something significant happened to me last Father's Day (which I do not recall the exact date without looking at a calendar) I could only give you an approximation of "mid-June" and if my husband or one of my adult daughters were to say a particular date then I would probably agree with that date without personally knowing what the date had been. OTOH, unlike Casey, I have no idea how many days it has been since Father's Day. My best guess is a ballpark estimate - 50 days? 60 days? So, projecting my own limitations on George, I don't really see anything sinister with his failure to challenge Casey and Cindy about the exact date Caylee went missing. I think he was truthful about what Caylee was wearing the last time he saw her because IIRC similar clothes were discovered with Caylee's remains. I similarly think he gave his best guess about the date when he last saw Caylee at their house.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[denjet]

Am I the only one frushtrated that we have hearings at which nothing is ever decided? The decisions are made later. Why not review the motions, make the decisions, announce the decisions, and skip the hearings?
Frustrating indeed ... I wish the judge would admonish the late filings of motions, amendments, responses ... it's wasting a lot of court time and the cause of a lot of the delays in getting decisions or having to hear it at another date ... if the judge doesn't put an end to that carp, this trial will never happened ...

Maybe tomorrow we'll hear some news ... fingers crossed :bored:

[MrsHudson]

I'm surprised Lee didnt show up in court on Friday to 'see' his sister. Do you guys think he is the only one in the family who isnt buying this story?? His low profile these days has me wondering....:confused: oh gawd... I think I'm going soft. LOL

No I think Lee is Casey's creature just the same way her parents are. Fine, let em all go down together I say.

[denjet]

And apparently all the lawyers involved turn in their papers 10 seconds before the deadline. SS did have to review the CD with the 3 interviews, estimated at 3 hours total + read all the almost-late motions.

I would set the deadline at 3 days before, so all this posturing could be avoided and a decision made on the spot. But nobody asked me.
Hi Spots!
I second that motion!! :thumbsup:

[Imperfect4]

Hi Imp!
Ditto! I couldn't agree with you more! :thumbsup:
Intelligent minds try to figure out where he's heading with this and what each move he makes means when in reality he could just be the inept baffoon he's seems to be and that's all there is ... :tonguewag:

Hey stranger! :seeya:

Guilty as charged, lol. Edited to add: Sometimes I need to be reminded that ... what I see is all there is.

[MrsHudson]

I really don;t know if we will ever see a trial in this case but I guess as long as casey is sitting in jail that is a good thing. If one of my children did something like this I know in my heart I would still love them because they or a part of me but I sure would wonder where I went wrong with raising them. I am sure I would blame my self for them not turning out good. I just think I would be in a crazy house now. I could not ever have any kind of life after this happened. Only God could get me thru it and I mean I would have to stay on my knees day and night to get thru it. I would have to admit the truth and beg people to help me but I do know only God could help me.I know God does not put on us more than we can stand but this is awful what has happened to Caylee. Just like so many other children. I just pray nothing anything like this ever happens to me. We never know what we will have to face before we die. Only the Grace of God can help us and keep us from some of the awful things that happen to people.jmho:wub:

This is because you are a normal person with humility and a good heart.

[denjet]

That would be simply delicious, wouldn't it? :drool:

Better move Cindy to a launchpad before that happens. She'll go off like a rocket.

All the fits she's thrown since day 31 will pale in comparison to her reaction to a threat to her Benjamins.

:lol: I'm picturing it now! I don't know which will be most satisfying to me, seeing KC get hers or Cindy getting hers ... both will happen, not soon enough, but it WILL happen and it ain't gonna be pretty! :sneaky:

Bummer, I just figured out it isn't Monday tomorrow so I guess we won't be hearing any news ...

[ttcRider]

What news are we expecting to come out? :confused:

[Dells]

Hi bchand!
That was another Baez doozie! It got a big WHAT? out of me ... Baez calling Nejame tacky ... oh, that's rich ...

Baez's demeanor in court is that of a wise guy with his hands in his pockets ... from not sitting down when he's supposed to and another lawyer is addressing the court ... to grandstanding and posturing for the cameras ... he's got a lot of nerve complaining about the prosecution leaks and trying his client in the media ... HIS fatmouth is the one that never misses a media moment ... everyone knows this, but he STILL continues to accuse everyone else of it ...

Oh, you just said that so well!:thumbup: I so agree w/everything that you just said. JB gets under my skin. He is just the biggest hypocrite that I have ever seen in my life. He accuses everyone else of doing all the things that he himself is doing/has done. Like JB has the right to call anyone else's press conference tacky. Just look at his track record. And for the record I did not find Mark Nejame's press conference tacky at all.

[denjet]

What news are we expecting to come out? :confused:
Judge Strickland decision on the motions heard Friday morn ... I think we might hear something on Monday ...

[denjet]

Oh, you just said that so well!:thumbup: I so agree w/everything that you just said. JB gets under my skin. He is just the biggest hypocrite that I have ever seen in my life. He accuses everyone else of doing all the things that he himself is doing/has done. Like JB has the right to call anyone else's press conference tacky. Just look at his track record. And for the record I did not find Mark Nejame's press conference tacky at all.

Hi Dells! It wasn't tacky ... just Bozo ... smoke and mirrors ... he figures (in his pea brain) if he points the finger at others and accuse them of things he does, everyone will forget what he's done ... flim-flam man ... BS artist ... (and not a very good one at that) !:mad:

[*Serenity*]

Hi Dells! It wasn't tacky ... just Bozo ... smoke and mirrors ... he figures (in his pea brain) if he points the finger at others and accuse them of things he does, everyone will forget what he's done ... flim-flam man ... BS artist ... (and not a very good one at that) !:mad:

Oh the irony of Casey ending up with a lawyer that feeds her BS and lies to her. You know he doesn't tell her the complete truth, and he has her convinced he is going to get her off. She deserves him 100%... karma!

ETA: PLUS he is using her, double using her for his 'cameo's' and trying to boost his own career. The state was quick to point out how many new cases he has taken on. LOL It's not all about Casey....!!

[denjet]

Oh the irony of Casey ending up with a lawyer that feeds her BS and lies to her. You know he doesn't tell her the complete truth, and he has her convinced he is going to get her off. She deserves him 100%... karma!

ETA: PLUS he is using her, double using her for his 'cameo's' and trying to boost his own career. The state was quick to point out how many new cases he has taken on. LOL It's not all about Casey....!!
Hi Serenity!
Yes, and they were taken on by Baez AFTER he became famous as KC's lawyer ... KC looked surprised when the state said that ... karma indeed!

[Mamie]

Oh, you just said that so well!:thumbup: I so agree w/everything that you just said. JB gets under my skin. He is just the biggest hypocrite that I have ever seen in my life. He accuses everyone else of doing all the things that he himself is doing/has done. Like JB has the right to call anyone else's press conference tacky. Just look at his track record. And for the record I did not find Mark Nejame's press conference tacky at all.

JB sure got upset though yesterday in court. Did you see his facial expressions when he was up at the podium and the Pros was speaking, then he backed up a little from the podium and stuck his hands in his pockets, then took them out----he didn't know which way to turn and it sure appeared he did not like one bit what was being said! LOL

[*Serenity*]

JB sure got upset though yesterday in court. Did you see his facial expressions when he was up at the podium and the Pros was speaking, then he backed up a little from the podium and stuck his hands in his pockets, then took them out----he didn't know which way to turn and it sure appeared he did not like one bit what was being said! LOL


The State had made a comment during the discussion of the documents JB provided to the court in ref to LP and crew....
then JB made a tacky comment about what she said.... LOL
The Judge had to inform JB that - that was NOT what she said
Another great blunder where the Judge has to inform him what
others are saying. He tries so hard to look witty, intelligent---
just like his client use to pull on everyone else around her.
BOY they are a prefect match in so many ways.

I still want to know what that jail house video contains that had
JB in a twist. There is something major on that video-- and I think
the Judge agreed which is why it was to be held.

[desmom]

IF I was a gambler, I would bet that all this happened on Father's Day the 15th of June.
George and Cindy have done everything to stay away from that particular date. They don't want any questions coming out about the big fight they had that night. That's why Cindy says the 8-9th and George is saying the morning of the 16th.
jmo

I agree Deannalynn only because of George being able to recall exactly what he was watching to TV and what the girls were wearing and the book bags they were carrying.

IMO, they left late on June 15 or early on June 16 after a big fight and lots of threats i.e. "you will never see Caylee again". After Cindy left for work on June 16, Casey and Caylee returned to the house with the excuse to pick up clothing, toys for Caylee etc. I think they returned so Daddy George would beg Casey to stay.

Remember Lee asked Casey something like "is this like the last time?" I think Casey has used the threat "you will never see Caylee again", left in a huff with Caylee in tow more than once with G & C and George always smoothed things over with promises things would be different, don't go, blah, blah.

George told LE he had recently done some checking on Casey's job(s), Casey stole from Caylee's bank account and piggy bank, he chased Casey in the car... I think George was as fed up with Casey's shenanigans as Cindy was. I don't believe George begged Casey to stay on June 16 as I believe he has done in the past.

The only reason George has such great recall of that day was because it was anything BUT a normal day.

jmo

[desmom]

And apparently all the lawyers involved turn in their papers 10 seconds before the deadline. SS did have to review the CD with the 3 interviews, estimated at 3 hours total + read all the almost-late motions.

I would set the deadline at 3 days before, so all this posturing could be avoided and a decision made on the spot. But nobody asked me.

JB really is trying real hard to keep those 3 hours of interviews out of the trial. It makes me think Casey did not heed JB's warning about keeping her mouth shut.

I can't remember..did any of our legal eagles expressed their opinions on JB's privacy and oral agreements with Lenny & Crew?

jmo

[desmom]

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I can't remember..did any of our legal eagles expressed their opinions on JB's privacy and oral agreements with Lenny & Crew?

jmo

Duh - try search :punch: http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13356152&highlight=privacy#post13356152


In a nutshell, they are claiming that L Padilla and his people who agreed to provide security guard-type services for the Anthonys, were agents of the defense attorney and that they should be precluded from disclosing any information. There is a written Privacy Agreement which does not say this, but Baez is claiming there was an oral agreement as well which contradicts the terms of the written Privacy Agreement.

Normally, the attorney-client confidentiality privilege extends to employees of the attorney (clerical and secretarial staff, law clerks, janitors, etc.) as well as agents of the attorney (investigators, expert consultants, etc.) For example, the janitor cannot tape together shredded documents and disclose them to anyone, nor can a disgruntled legal secretary quit the firm and sell valuable case secrets to the other side.

The Privacy Agreement (found here http://wdbo.com/common/pdf/orlando/A...ion-8-10-2.pdf as Exhibit A) clearly defines the The Baez Law Firm ("The Firm;" "Party of The First Part") as being completely separate from the Padilla people as ("Parties of the Second Part.") The PA imposes a variety of obligations, none of which include any recognition that the Padilla people are agents acting on behalf of The Firm and are subject to the same attorney-client confidentiality requirements as The Firm. To the contrary, the obligations reflect a potentially adversarial relationship, for example the promise not to interfere with the law firm's attorney-client relationship with the Anthonys including not "introducing outside counsel or putting the Defendant in contact with any lawyer outside the firm." The last page clarifies that "This agreement does not create a relationship in so for as that the Parties of the Second Part are in no way hired by or represent the Firm or the Defendant."

Decades ago, during the summer before law school started I worked as a temporary legal secretary for various temp agencies. I remember signing confidentiality agreements that reminded me of my obligation to protect client confidentiality and not to take any actions adverse to the clients even after my employment assignment terminated. Also, as an in-house insurance defense attorney, I have signed agreements which included language along the lines that I must remember that even though my salary was being paid by the insurance company, my primary loyalty must remain to my client whom I was representing. Even though I currently perform contract assignments for other attorneys from time to time, which assignments often include direct contact with their clients, I have never been asked to sign anything like the "Privacy Agreement." I have never even seen anything like it before.

My non-judicial conclusion is that the Privacy Agreement is insufficient to support the attorney-client confidentiality privilege covering the Padilla people as agents of The Firm. Any applicable privilege will need to be based on an oral agreement, and the conclusion of the motion seems to indirectly admit that.

The motion concludes, "Because Leonard and Tony Padilla, Tracy McLaughlin, and Robert Dick orally agreed to act as security for Miss Anthony, and therefore, as agents of her defense counsel, any statements by Miss Anthony ... are covered by the attorney-client privilege. As such, the Court should bar the above-named individuals from making statements to the State and/or testifying about statements made by Miss Anthony."

First, bail bondsmen are virtually NEVER agents of the defense attorney. They often have to act against the interests of the defendant, particularly if they are going into court to have the bond revoked. For example, the bondsman (or his agents) may testify that "the Principal [made a] material false statement in the [bond] application]" or violated some other bond condition; the defense attorney probably could not ethically disclose such a false statement or bond condition violation if he became aware of it. Second, I am unconvinced that "security" provided to a defendant's residence - particularly by unpaid volunteers - is something done by "agents" of defense counsel. It is not necessary for the proper functioning of legal representation, unlike clerical/secretarial staff, professional associates/law clerks, janitorial staff, investigators, expert witnesses, etc.

My final thought is that this is not a situation where a person is fighting against being compelled to testify, claiming the protection of the attorney-client privilege as an agent of the defense attorney. This is a situation where the defense attorney is fighting to take away First Amendment Freedom of Speech rights from people who deny ever being agents of the defense attorney. This shield vs. sword distinction may make a difference.

Katprint
Who does not know how the judge will rule
Always only my own opinions

Thanks Katprint.

[cassidy]

JB really is trying real hard to keep those 3 hours of interviews out of the trial. It makes me think Casey did not heed JB's warning about keeping her mouth shut.

I can't remember..did any of our legal eagles expressed their opinions on JB's privacy and oral agreements with Lenny & Crew?

jmo

I asked a friend who is an attorney and , of course, got the attorney runaround :) Anyhow, he said an oral agreement is binding and that these days the courts will go in favor of the defendant, protecting their right to a fair trial. That being said (he said) any privelege being extended to Lenny & crew is negated by any conversations that took part with a 3rd party in the room while the conversation was taking place. So if for instance George Cindy or Lee were included in or able to hear the conversations, privelege is out the window. That being said, he thinks the judge will rule in favor of the defense in this motion and not to quote him on this :) FWIW JMO

[desmom]

I asked a friend who is an attorney and , of course, got the attorney runaround :) Anyhow, he said an oral agreement is binding and that these days the courts will go in favor of the defendant, protecting their right to a fair trial. That being said (he said) any privelege being extended to Lenny & crew is negated by any conversations that took part with a 3rd party in the room while the conversation was taking place. So if for instance George Cindy or Lee were included in or able to hear the conversations, privelege is out the window. That being said, he thinks the judge will rule in favor of the defense in this motion and not to quote him on this :) FWIW JMO

Thanks Cassidy for sharing your friend's opinion on the motion.

The oral agreement is binding thing confuses me. Wouldn't it be a he said/she said type situation?