Caylee Anthony 8/20

[happygert]

New thread.. Does anyone think casey will have any communication with cindy and george when this trial is over

[kakax]

New thread.. Does anyone think casey will have any communication with cindy and george when this trial is over

Morning gert! I see that family as not really caring about each other. Everything is for appearance sake. In the spotlight, they aren't seeing each other. Out of the spotlight, I bet they will have no communication whatsoever.

[happygert]

Morning gert! I see that family as not really caring about each other. Everything is for appearance sake. In the spotlight, they aren't seeing each other. Out of the spotlight, I bet they will have no communication whatsoever.


Morning kakax,
Just wondering if jb is still hand delivering notes.. or if they are sending emails back and forth thru jb's laptop..Umm thought just hit me.. wonder if what the SA office wanted was to look at A's computers again? Remember bc using some lame excuse why the A's didn't turn over what SA office because supposedly the computer was broke again..Umm very interesting every time someone wants something from the A's the computer crashes..

[sydney]

New thread.. Does anyone think casey will have any communication with cindy and george when this trial is over

i don't. i think the lack of communication is because there may be a new defense strategy to throw the a's under the bus in order to create reasonable doubt. and kc's continued contact with them could undermine that strategy, i.e. if she kept seeing them, how can what she says about them in connection with caylee's murder be true?

then again, kc may have stopped accepting their visits and waving to them in court because she is angry that they haven't gotten her out of THIS mess.....so, she'll *punish* them by her silence and avoidance and potential new defense strategy.

and, when she is found guilty, there will still be no contact - the a's didn't get her out of this mess. that's all this is, another mess kc got herself into - but THIS time, her parents won't be able to get her out of it.

[Barbara fl.]

Morning kakax,
Just wondering if jb is still hand delivering notes.. or if they are sending emails back and forth thru jb's laptop..Umm thought just hit me.. wonder if what the SA office wanted was to look at A's computers again? Remember bc using some lame excuse why the A's didn't turn over what SA office because supposedly the computer was broke again..Umm very interesting every time someone wants something from the A's the computer crashes..




Good morning all,

You could be right, Lee also could bring in a lap top with outside connection....I don't believe that would be discovered....

I think they are communicating...I find it hard to believe that they are not.....I also believe that Casey does not want to face her parents because she knows that they will be able to tell she is lying, but by communicating via outside means, she wouldn't have to face them.....it would be easier for her to lie this way....

[Barbara fl.]

i don't. i think the lack of communication is because there may be a new defense strategy to throw the a's under the bus in order to create reasonable doubt. and kc's continued contact with them could undermine that strategy, i.e. if she kept seeing them, how can what she says about them in connection with caylee's murder be true?

then again, kc may have stopped accepting their visits and waving to them in court because she is angry that they haven't gotten her out of THIS mess.....


That makes sense also...the defense knows that no one else will be charged with this murder, but they do want to throw out there the possibilities to the juror's...they will probably try to show how anyone else could have committed this murder.......

[happygert]

i don't. i think the lack of communication is because there may be a new defense strategy to throw the a's under the bus in order to create reasonable doubt. and kc's continued contact with them could undermine that strategy, i.e. if she kept seeing them, how can what she says about them in connection with caylee's murder be true?

then again, kc may have stopped accepting their visits and waving to them in court because she is angry that they haven't gotten her out of THIS mess.....

Oh yes I'm sure she's highly ticked off because mommy didnt get her out of this mess sooner.. She also blames mommy for her being in jail.. No doubt she blames mommy for Caylee's death too.. so why not try to pin it on her? casey's probably thinking if not for mommy making me mad about stealing money from grandpa this would have never happened..Its all her fault..

[cassidy]

Good morning all,

You could be right, Lee also could bring in a lap top with outside connection....I don't believe that would be discovered....

I think they are communicating...I find it hard to believe that they are not.....I also believe that Casey does not want to face her parents because she knows that they will be able to tell she is lying, but by communicating via outside means, she wouldn't have to face them.....it would be easier for her to lie this way....

I think they already know she is lying. They are lying too. I do think they are communicating via Baez and his laptop. They probably think they are fooling the system.

JMO

[Sun]

New thread.. Does anyone think casey will have any communication with cindy and george when this trial is over

Good morning everyone! Tomorrow Casey will be removed from her cell, and transported to the Court House for the hearing (scheduled to start at 9:30).

Happygert, you asked, "Does anyone thinks that Casey will have any communication with cindy and george when this trial is over." I do think that they will communicate.

Does anyone know if Casey is allowed to keep something to write with inside her cell?

[happygert]

Good morning all,

You could be right, Lee also could bring in a lap top with outside connection....I don't believe that would be discovered....

I think they are communicating...I find it hard to believe that they are not.....I also believe that Casey does not want to face her parents because she knows that they will be able to tell she is lying, but by communicating via outside means, she wouldn't have to face them.....it would be easier for her to lie this way....

Yes I think they are too.. But I think the face to face visits or phone calls are not a good thing jb and company are afraid one may slip up and say something..I don't think it's so much casey cant face them, I think its more about what they might say.

[sydney]

I also believe that Casey does not want to face her parents because she knows that they will be able to tell she is lying, but by communicating via outside means, she wouldn't have to face them.....it would be easier for her to lie this way....

(snipped by me)

but when cindy had kc in front of her, after she picked her up from ricardo's(?) apartment, cindy STILL didn't believe kc was lying. they all *believe* what kc says to this day. so, even if they know she's lying, they would never admit that. and cindy, by her own admission, can tell when someone is lying - she is a very good judge....

[sydney]

Yes I think they are too.. But I think the face to face visits or phone calls are not a good thing jb and company are afraid one may slip up and say something..I don't think it's so much casey cant face them, I think its more about what they might say.

or risk another angry outburst that will be made public. cindy and kc are like oil and water.

[happygert]

Good morning everyone! Tomorrow Casey will be removed from her cell, and transported to the Court House for the hearing (scheduled to start at 9:30).

Happygert, you asked, "Does anyone thinks that Casey will have any communication with cindy and george when this trial is over." I do think that they will communicate.

Does anyone know if Casey is allowed to keep something to write with inside her cell?

Good Morning Sun,
Yes she can have pencils and paper.. I think the phone bills will be outrageous when this trial is over.. Are DP inmates allowed visits? If they are im guessing there will be plenty of visits from mommy and daddy if she gets the dp then when its all over there will be a book and movie out .. from all the notes and lies from cindy and casey..jmo

[Barbara fl.]

(snipped by me)

but when cindy had kc in front of her, after she picked her up from ricardo's(?) apartment, cindy STILL didn't believe kc was lying. they all *believe* what kc says to this day. so, even if they know she's lying, they would never admit that. and cindy, by her own admission, can tell when someone is lying - she is a very good judge....


Your right, in no way would the Anthony's admit that their daughter is lying...and they know good and well that Casey did this horrible thing...I keep remembering in the jail house tape when Cindy tells Casey to look her in the fae, that she needed to see Casey's eyes, and that was the only time that I saw Casey shed tears...It could be that even knowing that her parents know that she did this, she wont be able to look them in the eyes...This could also be why Baez and company don't want the face to face visits...they know that Casey will show that guilt and it would be used against her at trial...(just a thought)

[happygert]

or risk another angry outburst that will be made public. cindy and kc are like oil and water.

Yes.. they dont mix at all.. cant imagine what it was like for Caylee in that house with all those hot tempers running rampid.. Poor Caylee I'll bet she seen a lot of FIGHTS between those two.. I also believe caylee seen it first hand to.. I still think she was abused .. and cindy and george knew it.. You dont go from loving mom to a murdering mom in 2.5.. just dont happen.. Just because there wasn't any old breaks of her tiny bones doesn't mean she wasn's abused..Not everyone that's abused gets broken bones..and with cindy's temper wouldn't be at all surprised if she didnt abuse her either.........jmo

[msgatorslayer]

Good Morning Sun,
Yes she can have pencils and paper.. I think the phone bills will be outrageous when this trial is over.. Are DP inmates allowed visits? If they are im guessing there will be plenty of visits from mommy and daddy if she gets the dp then when its all over there will be a book and movie out .. from all the notes and lies from cindy and casey..jmo

G'morning! Yes, she can have visits. I think Cindy and George will be there as often as they can. Instead of putting things in the past and moving on with their lives, they'll spend the rest of their days claiming Casey is innocent. Cindy will drive Casey nuts!! Especially if they put the Hopesprings home up for sale and move closer to the PPOF.

[happygert]

I think they already know she is lying. They are lying too. I do think they are communicating via Baez and his laptop. They probably think they are fooling the system.

JMO

Oh they know.. they helped casey with the script and they destroyed evidence , gave wrong hairbrush to FBI, cleaned car, yes they know and they also knew exactly where Caylee was throwed away like trash.. Yes I agree with you that they are using jb's laptop.. hope they get caught soon..why else did jb fight so hard to get to take his laptop in?

[Sun]

i don't. i think the lack of communication is because there may be a new defense strategy to throw the a's under the bus in order to create reasonable doubt. and kc's continued contact with them could undermine that strategy, i.e. if she kept seeing them, how can what she says about them in connection with caylee's murder be true?

then again, kc may have stopped accepting their visits and waving to them in court because she is angry that they haven't gotten her out of THIS mess.....so, she'll *punish* them by her silence and avoidance and potential new defense strategy.

and, when she is found guilty, there will still be no contact - the a's didn't get her out of this mess. that's all this is, another mess kc got herself into - but THIS time, her parents won't be able to get her out of it.

I think that Baez would in no way allow Cindy and George to tell Casey things that "he" wouldn't consider good for "his" defense of "his" client. "He" has convinced Casey to not accept visitors of any kind (except for the Baez Law Firm and a rare person that he may allow to see Casey in "his" presence).

Casey could probably send mail out of the jail to Cindy and George, provided that she has something to write with. (I'm wondering if a pencil or pen might be considered dangerous, as they could be used as a weapon). Are prisoners allowed anything to write with in their cells?

[Sun]

Good Morning Sun,
Yes she can have pencils and paper.. I think the phone bills will be outrageous when this trial is over.. Are DP inmates allowed visits? If they are im guessing there will be plenty of visits from mommy and daddy if she gets the dp then when its all over there will be a book and movie out .. from all the notes and lies from cindy and casey..jmo

Found this on the Florida Department of Connections, this is what KC has to look forward too:

The Daily Routine of Death Row Inmates Death Row & Death Watch cells:
A Death Row cell is 6 x 9 x 9.5 feet high. Florida State Prison also has Death Watch cells to incarcerate inmates awaiting execution after the Governor signs a death warrant for them. A Death Watch cell is 12 x 7 x 8.5 feet high.

Men on Death Row are housed at Florida State Prison in Starke, FL, and Union Correctional Institution in Raiford, FL. The women on Death Row are housed at Lowell Correctional Institution Annex in Lowell, FL.


Meals: Death Row inmates are served meals three times a day: at 5:00 am, from 10:30 am to 11:00 am and from 4:00 pm to 4:30 pm. Food is prepared by prison staff and transported in insulated carts to the cells. Inmates are allowed plates and spoons to eat their meals. Prior to execution, an inmate may request a last meal. To avoid extravagance, the food to prepare the last meal must cost no more than $40 and must be purchased locally.

Visitors: All inmate visitors must be approved before visitation is allowed. Questions regarding an inmate's visiting day(s), visiting hours, and special visits should be directed to the Classification Officer responsible for the inmate at the inmate's assigned facility. Questions may be sent by letter, e-mail or by telephone. Members of the news media may request Death Row inmate interviews through the Department of Corrections Public Affairs Office at (850) 488-0420. The inmate must agree to the interview and the interview will be non-contact.


Showers: The inmates may shower every other day.

Security: Death Row inmates are counted at least once an hour. They are escorted in handcuffs and wear them everywhere except in their cells, the exercise yard and the shower. They are in their cells at all times except for medical reasons, exercise, social or legal visits or media interviews. When a death warrant is signed the inmate is put under Death Watch status and is allowed a legal and social phone call.

Mail,
Magazines &
Entertainment: Inmates may receive mail every day except holidays and weekends. They may have cigarettes, snacks, radios and 13" televisions in their cells. They do not have cable television or air-conditioning and they are not allowed to be with each other in a common room. They can watch church services on closed circuit television. While on Death Watch, inmates may have radios and televisions positioned outside their cell bars.

Clothing: Death Row inmates can be distinguished from other inmates by their orange t-shirts. Their pants are the same blue colored pants worn by regular inmates.

[happygert]

G'morning! Yes, she can have visits. I think Cindy and George will be there as often as they can. Instead of putting things in the past and moving on with their lives, they'll spend the rest of their days claiming Casey is innocent. Cindy will drive Casey nuts!! Especially if they put the Hopesprings home up for sale and move closer to the PPOF.

Good Morning! Yep they sure will.. Funny how they say casey's innocent . but never once did they look for Caylee or the "REAL KILLER".
When george was blowing off at the mouth when he said he knew where Caylee was at and she'd been moved 9 times.. He never once called LE to tell them where she was at.. He never once went to get her.. or send anyone else there either.. They were laying the ground work just incase anyone found her. No way will I ever believe they didnt know casey murdered Caylee from day one...Never any records to back up his assnine stories.. IMO they were all in on it.. They all knew Caylee was dead and they were trying to cover for casey and themselves... I still think they all should be charged in Caylee's murder..

[sydney]

G'morning! Yes, she can have visits. I think Cindy and George will be there as often as they can. Instead of putting things in the past and moving on with their lives, they'll spend the rest of their days claiming Casey is innocent. Cindy will drive Casey nuts!! Especially if they put the Hopesprings home up for sale and move closer to the PPOF.

morning to you, ms!

they put caylee's murder in the past and moved on with their lives rather quickly.

they still can't bring themselves to say the word murder. the focus is still *missing* children. total denial. after caylee was found murdered, did they offer any *support* to other people who's children were murdered? no, they did not. they just offered *support* to those with missing children.

in their minds, will caylee always be missing even though they had a memorial service for her? will caylee remain missing even though they were bits of her in jewelry? will they never admit she is finally gone - MURDERED?

why can't they admit caylee was murdered? to admit that would not necessarily be implicating kc - they still want the invisi-nanny to take the fall.

[happygert]

Found this on the Florida Department of Connections, this is what KC has to look forward too:

The Daily Routine of Death Row Inmates Death Row & Death Watch cells:
A Death Row cell is 6 x 9 x 9.5 feet high. Florida State Prison also has Death Watch cells to incarcerate inmates awaiting execution after the Governor signs a death warrant for them. A Death Watch cell is 12 x 7 x 8.5 feet high.

Men on Death Row are housed at Florida State Prison in Starke, FL, and Union Correctional Institution in Raiford, FL. The women on Death Row are housed at Lowell Correctional Institution Annex in Lowell, FL.


Meals: Death Row inmates are served meals three times a day: at 5:00 am, from 10:30 am to 11:00 am and from 4:00 pm to 4:30 pm. Food is prepared by prison staff and transported in insulated carts to the cells. Inmates are allowed plates and spoons to eat their meals. Prior to execution, an inmate may request a last meal. To avoid extravagance, the food to prepare the last meal must cost no more than $40 and must be purchased locally.

Visitors: All inmate visitors must be approved before visitation is allowed. Questions regarding an inmate's visiting day(s), visiting hours, and special visits should be directed to the Classification Officer responsible for the inmate at the inmate's assigned facility. Questions may be sent by letter, e-mail or by telephone. Members of the news media may request Death Row inmate interviews through the Department of Corrections Public Affairs Office at (850) 488-0420. The inmate must agree to the interview and the interview will be non-contact.


Showers: The inmates may shower every other day.

Security: Death Row inmates are counted at least once an hour. They are escorted in handcuffs and wear them everywhere except in their cells, the exercise yard and the shower. They are in their cells at all times except for medical reasons, exercise, social or legal visits or media interviews. When a death warrant is signed the inmate is put under Death Watch status and is allowed a legal and social phone call.

Mail,
Magazines &
Entertainment: Inmates may receive mail every day except holidays and weekends. They may have cigarettes, snacks, radios and 13" televisions in their cells. They do not have cable television or air-conditioning and they are not allowed to be with each other in a common room. They can watch church services on closed circuit television. While on Death Watch, inmates may have radios and televisions positioned outside their cell bars.

Clothing: Death Row inmates can be distinguished from other inmates by their orange t-shirts. Their pants are the same blue colored pants worn by regular inmates.

Thanks Sun..

[msgatorslayer]

Good Morning! Yep they sure will.. Funny how they say casey's innocent . but never once did they look for Caylee or the "REAL KILLER".
When george was blowing off at the mouth when he said he knew where Caylee was at and she'd been moved 9 times.. He never once called LE to tell them where she was at.. He never once went to get her.. or send anyone else there either.. They were laying the ground work ust incase anyone found her..Never any records to back up his assnine stories.. IMO they were all in on it.. They all knew Caylee was dead and they were trying to cover for casey and themselves... I still think they all should be charged in Caylee's murder..

I too, think they should be charged with something. At the bare minimum, they lied about Casey having a job. When the story first broke and we learned of Casey taking LE to Universal, and LE said she didn't work there, the Anthony's went on the defensive. Saying LE was wrong. That she worked there. The company switched names, bla, bla, bla. LE just didn't know what they were talking about. :rolleyes:

That's just the beginning of their lies and coverup to help Casey. It snowballed from there.

[Sun]

Good Morning! Yep they sure will.. Funny how they say casey's innocent . but never once did they look for Caylee or the "REAL KILLER".
When george was blowing off at the mouth when he said he knew where Caylee was at and she'd been moved 9 times.. He never once called LE to tell them where she was at.. He never once went to get her.. or send anyone else there either.. They were laying the ground work just incase anyone found her. No way will I ever believe they didnt know casey murdered Caylee from day one...Never any records to back up his assnine stories.. IMO they were all in on it.. They all knew Caylee was dead and they were trying to cover for casey and themselves... I still think they all should be charged in Caylee's murder..

ITA, they knew that Caylee was not kidnapped by a nanny. Yet, they lied to the media and to the public in an effort to mislead public opinion. They also lied to LE/FBI in an effort to keep Casey from being prosecuted for the crime that she had committed. JMO

[happygert]

Another thing the A's will probably do is set up another money scam.. Donate to the casey anthony defense fund.. to free an innocent mom.. who was convicted of the murder of her two year old daughter..she didnt do it casey loved that child..

[msgatorslayer]

morning to you, ms!

they put caylee's murder in the past and moved on with their lives rather quickly.

they still can't bring themselves to say the word murder. the focus is still *missing* children. total denial. after caylee was found murdered, did they offer any *support* to other people who's children were murdered? no, they did not. they just offered *support* to those with missing children.

in their minds, will caylee always be missing even though they had a memorial service for her? will caylee remain missing even though they were bits of her in jewelry? will they never admit she is finally gone - MURDERED?

why can't they admit caylee was murdered? to admit that would not necessarily be implicating kc - they still want the invisi-nanny to take the fall.

Hi Sydney. You're forgetting, this stopped being about Caylee just as soon as Cindy got her way with Casey by making that 911 call and learning where Caylee was - GONE!

Their lives are all about Casey!!

[happygert]

I too, think they should be charged with something. At the bare minimum, they lied about Casey having a job. When the story first broke and we learned of Casey taking LE to Universal, and LE said she didn't work there, the Anthony's went on the defensive. Saying LE was wrong. That she worked there. The company switched names, bla, bla, bla. LE just didn't know what they were talking about. :rolleyes:

That's just the beginning of their lies and coverup to help Casey. It snowballed from there.

Yep and its still snowballing they will NEVER stop..

[openminded]

New thread.. Does anyone think casey will have any communication with cindy and george when this trial is over

Only if she wants something (like money for her prison account) from them, IMO.

I think they will continue to try to communicate with her, regardless.

[happygert]

ITA, they knew that Caylee was not kidnapped by a nanny. Yet, they lied to the media and to the public in an effort to mislead public opinion. They also lied to LE/FBI in an effort to keep Casey from being prosecuted for the crime that she had committed. JMO

Yep..they also knew there was no nanny. But yet cindy has this imaginary number and address of the nanny.. also knew Annebelle Lewis went to same nanny.. what a farce.. The "missing Child" was to get media attention so they could generate donations so they could live off of...IMO they committed a fraud and still are.......mo..

[sydney]

Hi Sydney. You're forgetting, this stopped being about Caylee just as soon as Cindy got her way with Casey by making that 911 call and learning where Caylee was - GONE!

Their lives are all about Casey!!

that's EXACTLY what i mean. forget caylee, move on to kc.....

[ClimbingRose]

Good morning all,

You could be right, Lee also could bring in a lap top with outside connection....I don't believe that would be discovered....

I think they are communicating...I find it hard to believe that they are not.....I also believe that Casey does not want to face her parents because she knows that they will be able to tell she is lying, but by communicating via outside means, she wouldn't have to face them.....it would be easier for her to lie this way....

Don't think KC is too concerned about her folks accepting, discovering, recognizing the truth. George & Cindy have never, never, never confronted KC about any of her dysfunctional & criminal behavior. Although , they have tried to warn a few of her boyfriends.

[msgatorslayer]

Don't think KC is too concerned about her folks accepting, discovering, recognizing the truth. George & Cindy have never, never, never confronted KC about any of her dysfunctional & criminal behavior. Although , they have tried to warn a few of her boyfriends.

I have this funny picture in my head. That one day, after Casey is convicted, hopefully placed on DR, she and Cindy have a visit. And Cindy tells her how stupid she is. That she never, ever, should have claimed a nanny took her child when she didn't even have a job. :biggrin:

[happygert]

Only if she wants something (like money for her prison account) from them, IMO.

I think they will continue to try to communicate with her, regardless.

I think they will so they can write a book.. probably called the "REAL STORY WHAT REALLY HAPPENED TO CAYLEE".. and have a picture of the imaginary nanny..or " THE NANNY KILLED CAYLEE" and innocent women went to her death protecting her family..

[Sun]

Hi Sydney. You're forgetting, this stopped being about Caylee just as soon as Cindy got her way with Casey by making that 911 call and learning where Caylee was - GONE!

Their lives are all about Casey!!

I tend to think that Cindy has always been ONLY about Cindy. Cindy was missing Caylee. On July 3rd, Cindy posted that myspace posting "My Caylee is Missing." Cindy admitted that she made those 911 calls to get someone to come out and talk to Casey, because Casey wouldn't take her to Caylee. Cindy was missing Caylee, and Casey wouldn't let her see her. LE did come out, and LE arrested Casey after figuring out that Casey was telling them nothing but lies. That shattered Cindy's world, as everyone quickly figured out that Cindy did not live a perfect life, with a perfect family. The FBI guy sort of told this same thing to George, ....and I think he'd pretty much figured Cindy out at that point.

[msgatorslayer]

that's EXACTLY what i mean. forget caylee, move on to kc.....

Right now, they're as delusional as team Casey is. They are hoping that Baez has assembled a dream team what will get Casey off. They can concentrate on the up coming trial. I picture them having every record of what they've said to LE, and the public. And they quiz each other on what will be said at trial. Baez may already be helping them in the department.

As soon as a 'Guilty' verdict is read in court they'll have a caseyisinnocent. com site set up. Maybe we'll finally see a sketch of the invisi-nanny.

[sammy62]

I think that Baez would in no way allow Cindy and George to tell Casey things that "he" wouldn't consider good for "his" defense of "his" client. "He" has convinced Casey to not accept visitors of any kind (except for the Baez Law Firm and a rare person that he may allow to see Casey in "his" presence).

Casey could probably send mail out of the jail to Cindy and George, provided that she has something to write with. (I'm wondering if a pencil or pen might be considered dangerous, as they could be used as a weapon). Are prisoners allowed anything to write with in their cells?

in one of the earlier visits with George...he asks if Casey has paper and pen and she says it has to be monitored...and they read it too.

[happygert]

less then 24 hours before the hearing dang hope this day goes fast.. wonder if casey's thinking the same thing?.. Just wondering if cindy and george will show up? If they do I'll bet cindy's gives NeJames the evil eye .. He'll probably feel the heat on his back from her staring at him..

[sydney]

As soon as a 'Guilty' verdict is read in court they'll have a caseyisinnocent. com site set up. Maybe we'll finally see a sketch of the invisi-nanny.

(snipped by me - bold is mine)

i'm surprised they don't have something like that set up already.....

[msgatorslayer]

I tend to think that Cindy has always been ONLY about Cindy. Cindy was missing Caylee. On July 3rd, Cindy posted that myspace posting "My Caylee is Missing." Cindy admitted that she made those 911 calls to get someone to come out and talk to Casey, because Casey wouldn't take her to Caylee. Cindy was missing Caylee, and Casey wouldn't let her see her. LE did come out, and LE arrested Casey after figuring out that Casey was telling them nothing but lies. That shattered Cindy's world, as everyone quickly figured out that Cindy did not live a perfect life, with a perfect family. The FBI guy sort of told this same thing to George, ....and I think he'd pretty much figured Cindy out at that point.

It's rather sad the lengths she has went to in order to attempt to get everyone to think she and her family are 'perfect'. The cat was outta the bag in a big way. Instead of hunkering down and dealing with things privately, she went on TV and made a fool of herself. Over a year later, nothing has changed. She's still making a fool of herself.

[Sun]

Yep..they also knew there was no nanny. But yet cindy has this imaginary number and address of the nanny.. also knew Annebelle Lewis went to same nanny.. what a farce.. The "missing Child" was to get media attention so they could generate donations so they could live off of...IMO they committed a fraud and still are.......mo..

Some day I hope that laws are put in place to prevent this type of behavior. Media should not be allowed to make a criminal or their family richer, by purchasing "photos or stories" especially when the victim is a member of that same family. I do suspect that the Anthonys fund raising through their Foundation will be a short lived thing. There are already some laws in place to stop abuse of that sort of thing.

[msgatorslayer]

(snipped by me - bold is mine)

i'm surprised they don't have something like that set up already.....

They won't see a need for it till Casey is convicted. :wink: It would be a huge waste right now!!!

[sydney]

They won't see a need for it till Casey is convicted. :wink: It would be a huge waste right now!!!

could be. but would they then be able to ask for donations from casseyisinnocent.com *believers* for kc's defense since she's indigent and they have no funds?

[sydney]

Some day I hope that laws are put in place to prevent this type of behavior. Media should not be allowed to make a criminal or their family richer, by purchasing "photos or stories" especially when the victim is a member of that same family. I do suspect that the Anthonys fund raising through their Foundation will be a short lived thing. There are already some laws in place to stop abuse of that sort of thing.

now, now, sun - remember, kc is only ACCUSED. she has not been proven guilty (yet). so i'm not sure that a law could be put in place preventing the accused (or their family) from selling *photos or stories*. are there currently laws preventing those found guilty of a crime from profiting by selling their story or photos? was one of them the "son of sam" law that, iirc, was withdrawn?

kat, lapis?

[cassidy]

less then 24 hours before the hearing dang hope this day goes fast.. wonder if casey's thinking the same thing?.. Just wondering if cindy and george will show up? If they do I'll bet cindy's gives NeJames the evil eye .. He'll probably feel the heat on his back from her staring at him..


Of course Cindy and George will be there. Then need to send "that's my girl" looks to Casey so she knows they still love her the most. And she needs to ignore them so they know she doesn't even think about them. them. It's all a big charade.

JMO

[happygert]

Some day I hope that laws are put in place to prevent this type of behavior. Media should not be allowed to make a criminal or their family richer, by purchasing "photos or stories" especially when the victim is a member of that same family. I do suspect that the Anthonys fund raising through their Foundation will be a short lived thing. There are already some laws in place to stop abuse of that sort of thing.

I want a law passed that a family can't make a dime off of a murdered child..no pictures, videos, or interviews can be sold..no books and no movies.. IF there is all money must go to the Victims of a crime fund or to a MISSING CHILD FOUNDATION thats legimate or to TES..NOT A FOUNDATION STARTED BY FAMILY MEMBERS If they set up a foundation for "MISSING CHILDREN" they have to go in front of a Judge to get permits and have a court appointed attorney to over see the foundation and its funds..must have a legitimate office, no FELONS can be associated with the foundation. The Family has no access to the funds .Funds cant be used for personal reasons.. All funds must be used for the purpose of finding "MISSING CHILDREN".. If anyone is caught using these funds for personal reasons automatic jail time minimum 20 years.. If funds are miss appropriated same thing 20 years.. THIS would stop a whole lot of these scammers..

[msgatorslayer]

could be. but would they then be able to ask for donations from casseyisinnocent.com *believers* for kc's defense since she's indigent and they have no funds?

I think that would fall under the caseydefensefund.com site.:laugh:

[Sun]

in one of the earlier visits with George...he asks if Casey has paper and pen and she says it has to be monitored...and they read it too.

Thanks for reminding me of this. With Casey being on protective custody status, she is on cell lockdown 23/7. (that doesn't account for the times that she meets with her attorneys though... so she's not really in her cell 23 hours everyday).

Latetly, I've made a point to watch a few of the Prison shows on TV on the NatGeo channel. Watching those shows makes me think that anything that could be used a weapon would not be allowed in a prisoners cell.... at least not at the security status level that Casey would be on in a prison. (but she's in a jail, so their rules could be different).

A pen or pencil could easily be used as a weapon, or shank as they seem to call them.

I do remember Casey ordering those colored pencils. Which does make me wonder.

[sydney]

I think that would fall under the caseydefensefund.com site.:laugh:

:laugh: i like yours better

[Sun]

I believe she is punishing them. Remember her first phone call from jail, the give-me-Tone's-number call? Casey was not getting her way so she tells them "Don't show up for my bond hearing then". WTF?
A very childish baby tantrum, cutting her nose to spite her face on that one. And she said it with the same inflection that a soon to be bride would dis-invite someone to her wedding or a student dis-inviting someone to the graduation. For crying out loud Casey this was a bond hearing not a visit to the Whitehouse to recieve the Congressional Medal of Honor. Yet she threatens the Ants with this shunning remark.

I am reminded of George's whining about no one cares about him or his family. You don't care about me,me,me.
IMO George and Casey used this "you don't love me" as a guilt trip on Cindy with regularity to manipulate her to get their way. It sounds absurd but what other options did they have? Cindy ruled the roost with in your face aggression, so meeting her head on would be fruitless. They both blind sided her with the childish behaviour of "you don't love me, you hurt my feelings, you are a bad person, boo hoo, oh poor, poor pitiful me" approach.

ITA. In some ways George and Casey's behavior is very much alike. Add to this, Cindy telling George that "she" will handle Casey. Add to this, Casey and George not getting along. Add to this, Cindy and George not getting along. Caylee was growing up in a house full of termoil.

[margaritaville]

morning to you, ms!

they put caylee's murder in the past and moved on with their lives rather quickly.

they still can't bring themselves to say the word murder. the focus is still *missing* children. total denial. after caylee was found murdered, did they offer any *support* to other people who's children were murdered? no, they did not. they just offered *support* to those with missing children.

in their minds, will caylee always be missing even though they had a memorial service for her? will caylee remain missing even though they were bits of her in jewelry? will they never admit she is finally gone - MURDERED?

why can't they admit caylee was murdered? to admit that would not necessarily be implicating kc - they still want the invisi-nanny to take the fall.

No kidding!! ITA......

If the Ant's want us all to believe that their beloved daughter is innocent, why have they not ONE time gone looking for the "real" killer??? (not trying to sound OJ' ish here)
Heck, they don't even mention the fact that there is a baby murderer on the loose....
If they "honestly" believe that their daughter is innocent, then that means there is someone out there that murdered their GD... Yet they buy a boat and set up a foundation for helping missing children..
Why not take that money and set up a search for the real murderer? Or even a foundation for finding murderers? Their Granddaughter was never a missing child, she was a murdered child. It is almost comical how much they contradict themselves.

MOO

[msgatorslayer]

No kidding!! ITA......

If the Ant's want us all to believe that their beloved daughter is innocent, why have they not ONE time gone looking for the "real" killer??? (not trying to sound OJ' ish here)
Heck, they don't even mention the fact that there is a baby murderer on the loose....
If they "honestly" believe that their daughter is innocent, then that means there is someone out there that murdered their GD... Yet they buy a boat and set up a foundation for helping missing children..
Why not take that money and set up a search for the real murderer? Or even a foundation for finding murderers? Their Granddaughter was never a missing child, she was a murdered child. It is almost comical how much they contradict themselves.

MOO

Yep! There is a 'terminal event-er' out there wandering around.:biggrin:

If they really believe someone besides Casey killed her, they'd be calling it what it is. MURDER!!! And they would be screaming that loud and clear.

[AnnInOhio]

Good Morning! Yep they sure will.. Funny how they say casey's innocent . but never once did they look for Caylee or the "REAL KILLER".
When george was blowing off at the mouth when he said he knew where Caylee was at and she'd been moved 9 times.. He never once called LE to tell them where she was at.. He never once went to get her.. or send anyone else there either.. They were laying the ground work just incase anyone found her. No way will I ever believe they didnt know casey murdered Caylee from day one...Never any records to back up his assnine stories.. IMO they were all in on it.. They all knew Caylee was dead and they were trying to cover for casey and themselves... I still think they all should be charged in Caylee's murder..

You know Gert, something has always bothered me about George & Cindy. I think back to how on earth were they able to save face and not have to admit to themselves and the world that they were idiots for believing Casey wasn't pregnant when the truth was so obvious to everyone else? They must have some elaborate mental coping mechanism in place that allows them to deny the obvious until the breaking point (like when Casey gave birth...the jig was surely up at that point!) and beyond. Have they been fooling themselves as a family for so long that they no longer care that they are perceived as morons by the rest of the world?

[msgatorslayer]

You know Gert, something has always bothered me about George & Cindy. I think back to how on earth were they able to save face and not have to admit to themselves and the world that they were idiots for believing Casey wasn't pregnant when the truth was so obvious to everyone else? They must have some elaborate mental coping mechanism in place that allows them to deny the obvious until the breaking point (like when Casey gave birth...the jig was surely up at that point!) and beyond. Have they been fooling themselves as a family for so long that they no longer care that they are perceived as morons by the rest of the world?

I think you're right on target!!!:thumbsup:

[Sun]

I am wondering what change in strategy will Lyon be doing. In her motion to delay the criminal check/fraud trial, she makes reference to this. I also interpreted some of her statements in that document to hint that Casey did not have effective counsel before Lyon signed on. (I sure got a chuckle over that, because Baez also signed that motion)

I can imagine that she will make it a priority to get the death penalty taken off the table. I have no clue as to how she would do this though.

[cassidy]

You know Gert, something has always bothered me about George & Cindy. I think back to how on earth were they able to save face and not have to admit to themselves and the world that they were idiots for believing Casey wasn't pregnant when the truth was so obvious to everyone else? They must have some elaborate mental coping mechanism in place that allows them to deny the obvious until the breaking point (like when Casey gave birth...the jig was surely up at that point!) and beyond. Have they been fooling themselves as a family for so long that they no longer care that they are perceived as morons by the rest of the world?

I don't think they see themselves as morons, I think they see the rest of the world as morons for NOT believing them.


Kind of like "everyone's out of step except my son John"

[msgatorslayer]

I am wondering what change in strategy will Lyon be doing. In her motion to delay the criminal check/fraud trial, she makes reference to this. I also interpreted some of her statements in that document to hint that Casey did not have effective counsel before Lyon signed on. (I sure got a chuckle over that, because Baez also signed that motion)

I can imagine that she will make it a priority to get the death penalty taken off the table. I have no clue as to how she would do this though.

I don't know how she can get the DP taken of either, Sun. The murder of Caylee Anthony has more than one aggravating factor to seek it. Only thing I can think of is that she will play the sympathy card by saying the Grandparents have already lost one child, please don't send their daughter to the row and kill her too.

[AnnInOhio]

I think you're right on target!!!:thumbsup:

Do you think there's any chance the A's paid some sicko to supply them with fake written "reports" of Caylee sightings, saying they had "proof" Caylee was with the "real" Zanny and would be safe unless LE was alerted? I can imagine JB pulling this fake investitgation out at trial to show why they weren't "nuts" for insisting so long that Caylee was alive. I suspect that little weasel JB has convinced himself and the A's, who want to believe they can somehow all come out of this unscathed, that he'll be able to pull a Johnnie Cochran and get all the forensics evidence that shows Caylee is dead thrown out or discredited leaving the jury to "buy" the story that little Caylee is happily living in some paradise with Zanny and Casey is OK with that because she knows Zanny is a better mother than her.

Sure its a huge soap opera stretch, but what does this group have to lose? JB rides off into the sunset with his adoring Casey to fame and fortune; Casey is the new OJ Simpson; and the A's are vindicated and write their rag of a book. For a group that lives in a fantasy world I can see them thinking it's worth a try!

[AnnInOhio]

I don't think they see themselves as morons, I think they see the rest of the world as morons for NOT believing them.


Kind of like "everyone's out of step except my son John"

I agree. That's why I think they'll try some outrageous defense strategy. It won't work, but they're gonna try something so "out there" that JB will become (in)famous, which is what he wants.

[Jester]

I have this funny picture in my head. That one day, after Casey is convicted, hopefully placed on DR, she and Cindy have a visit. And Cindy tells her how stupid she is. That she never, ever, should have claimed a nanny took her child when she didn't even have a job. :biggrin:

Nicely said ... reminds me of when Jackie Peterson said to Scott something like: not even you would be so stupid as to put Laci in the Bay and then use fishing in the Bay as an alibi.

[Rapunzel]

G'morning! Yes, she can have visits. I think Cindy and George will be there as often as they can. Instead of putting things in the past and moving on with their lives, they'll spend the rest of their days claiming Casey is innocent. Cindy will drive Casey nuts!! Especially if they put the Hopesprings home up for sale and move closer to the PPOF.


Yes, I agree...they will prolly have several websites like Diana Downs father still proclaiming her innocents.

[101Spots]

As I advised 101Spots last week, I will be giving her a day off tomorrow by going to the Drs. at exactly 9:30am. May she be here to fully enjoy the live feeds, uninterupted, from start to finish.
If I had not waited 30 months for my welcome to medicare first appt, I would have cancelled in a heart beat.
You can also pencil me in as missing in action for the subsequent doc dumps as I am also having car trouble which I need to address next week. There you go Spots, the bases are covered.
I know I am not alone. Others return here daily to keep Caylee first and foremost in this ordeal, strangers quietly keeping watch for justice.

Thank you so much. Deeply appreciated! :wub:

Of course, they are predicting horrible storms for us tomorrow, so I'm hoping against hope that my internet will survive. <sigh> Maybe they'll be wrong. Again.

[margaritaville]

Remember the letter that Larry Garrison wrote about Cindy being on "meds" and about the obstruction of justice....He claims at the end of his e-mail that he has plenty to say in the future....Have we ever heard anymore from him? I can't wait to hear what casey had to say to him!!!



Dear,

Cindy has been writing me. I believe she may be on meds. I confronted her in an e-mail asking her why she gave Casey's hairbrush instead of Caylee's to the authorities. She replied the following below. I believe she is frightened that I speak out. I have gone to the authorities with this. I am showing you this out of friendship. that is the real reason I am out of there. Why would anyone not help the police if they are looking for their granddaughter? I have plenty to say in the future.

Larry

---Original Message----
From Cindy anthony
To: Larry garrison

Sent Fri 202120 Nov 2008 6:18 am

I never lied. I just never went to my bathroom to get the hairbrush that I used only for Caylee. As far as Tim Miller goes remember it was you who sealed the first deal with me having him come in the first place. I also trusted you so much that I let you speak to Casey.


http://www.truecrimereport.com/2008/11/did_cindy_anthony_obstruct_jus.php

[Deannalynn]

G'morning! Yes, she can have visits. I think Cindy and George will be there as often as they can. Instead of putting things in the past and moving on with their lives, they'll spend the rest of their days claiming Casey is innocent. Cindy will drive Casey nuts!! Especially if they put the Hopesprings home up for sale and move closer to the PPOF.

Good morning msgator...
What does PPOF stand for...:confused:
If it's some prison I see no way that George and Cindy would go out of their way and move on Casey's account. Too selfish and into themselves.
jmo

[Rapunzel]

And remember if KC is convicted and sentenced to death, she will not be able to work inside the prison...so there is no way she can contribute to her own commissary fund...which means she will have to rely on others such as family or idiots...OK same thing...LOL to keep money in her fund for her Twinkies...LOL

[AnnInOhio]

Nicely said ... reminds me of when Jackie Peterson said to Scott something like: not even you would be so stupid as to put Laci in the Bay and then use fishing in the Bay as an alibi.

And people wonder why some kids grow up to do the things they do!

[BlueTurtle]

now, now, sun - remember, kc is only ACCUSED. she has not been proven guilty (yet). so i'm not sure that a law could be put in place preventing the accused (or their family) from selling *photos or stories*. are there currently laws preventing those found guilty of a crime from profiting by selling their story or photos? was one of them the "son of sam" law that, iirc, was withdrawn?

kat, lapis?

"son of sam" did get knocked down. Primarily, the family of the victim files a wrongful death suit so any money to be made will not be enjoyed by the perpretator.

[Rapunzel]

http://ebookstore.sony.com/ebook/andrea-d-lyon/a-mother-accused/_/R-400000000000000170789


AL's new book...LMAO...selling for $1.99!!!!!
No wonder she took this case...can't wait to see her book about KC after all this is over...follow the money trail...

[crimeq]

I think that Baez would in no way allow Cindy and George to tell Casey things that "he" wouldn't consider good for "his" defense of "his" client. "He" has convinced Casey to not accept visitors of any kind (except for the Baez Law Firm and a rare person that he may allow to see Casey in "his" presence).

Casey could probably send mail out of the jail to Cindy and George, provided that she has something to write with. (I'm wondering if a pencil or pen might be considered dangerous, as they could be used as a weapon). Are prisoners allowed anything to write with in their cells?

Doesn't she have colored pencils for art supplies? I thought she bought those at the commissary.

[Rapunzel]

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/8/20/...

NeJame, Miller To Reveal All In Anthony Case
Thursday, August 20, 2009 11:02:19 AM

ORLANDO -- The former attorney for the Anthony family is revealing more about what he knows in the Casey Anthony case.

Attorney Mark NeJame will hold a press conference at his office Thursday at 2 p.m.
In a motion filed earlier, Casey Anthony's defense team wants an Orange County judge to order Tim Miller, president of Texas EquuSearch, to turn over documents.

NeJame is now the attorney for Miller.

Both Miller and NeJame are expected in court at 9:30 a.m. Friday for the hearing.

[need2no]

Good morning everyone! Tomorrow Casey will be removed from her cell, and transported to the Court House for the hearing (scheduled to start at 9:30).

Happygert, you asked, "Does anyone thinks that Casey will have any communication with cindy and george when this trial is over." I do think that they will communicate.

Does anyone know if Casey is allowed to keep something to write with inside her cell?

On the Orange County jail commissary list they sell #2 pencils w/erasers, Flex pens, colored pencils, legal pads and sketch pads. Envelopes and stamps are also available for purchase.

Speaking of communications, I came across this while searching for something else:

>snipped<

Florida officials have banned inmates from having the Match.com-style listings, saying prisoners just create problems for their outside-the-pen pals.

In 2003, the department changed its policy to prohibit inmates from advertising for pen pals or getting mail from pen pal groups. Inmates who continue to advertise can have privileges such as visitation or phone calls revoked.

http://prisonmovement.wordpress.com/2009/08/01/your-request-is-being-processed-prisons-ban-inmates-from-having-pen-pal-ads/

[sammy62]

Nicely said ... reminds me of when Jackie Peterson said to Scott something like: not even you would be so stupid as to put Laci in the Bay and then use fishing in the Bay as an alibi.

I always chuckle when I hear casey's friends saying "casey must have had help...she isn't smart enough to do it alone".

You call THAT a smart crime????? :scared:

[BlueTurtle]

I am wondering what change in strategy will Lyon be doing. In her motion to delay the criminal check/fraud trial, she makes reference to this. I also interpreted some of her statements in that document to hint that Casey did not have effective counsel before Lyon signed on. (I sure got a chuckle over that, because Baez also signed that motion)

I can imagine that she will make it a priority to get the death penalty taken off the table. I have no clue as to how she would do this though.


It will be interesting to see her in action tomorrow. I think there will be a slap down of Baez if he opens his mouth tomorrow.

There will be no tears from AL since there is no jury. I think the state is glad for a competent attorney who hopefully is professional in her manner. It think they were worried that all the work to convict Casey would be overturned due to ineffective counsel. She might be a tough opponent for them, but it might make the case stronger when Casey gets convicted.

[Jester]

And people wonder why some kids grow up to do the things they do!

It's poetic justice ... they hang themselves because they've convinced themselves that others believe their make-believe world. Casey imagined herself as a perfect 10 with a perfect job, perfect life, and perfect nanny. For some reason, those around her either bought into her imaginary world, doubted it but didn't challenge her, or wanted to believe it (like Cindy). Casey was so convinced that everyone else saw her world as she wanted them to see it that she couldn't see the flaws in her story - a story that she had 31 days to refine. She must have been very smug thinking that she fooled the world.

I really like the description of Cindy possibly, one day, telling Casey she was really stupid to claim the nanny did it when she didn't have a job, didn't have an income, and obviously didn't have a nanny.

[BlueTurtle]

I don't know how she can get the DP taken of either, Sun. The murder of Caylee Anthony has more than one aggravating factor to seek it. Only thing I can think of is that she will play the sympathy card by saying the Grandparents have already lost one child, please don't send their daughter to the row and kill her too.

Isn't Florida a state that doesn't need all jurors to vote DP when they get to the sentencing phase for it to be recommended. Also doesn't the judge decide yea or nay of the jury recommends DP? I could see him not giving KC the DP so the appeals don't automatically kick in.

[Tia]

I too, think they should be charged with something. At the bare minimum, they lied about Casey having a job. When the story first broke and we learned of Casey taking LE to Universal, and LE said she didn't work there, the Anthony's went on the defensive. Saying LE was wrong. That she worked there. The company switched names, bla, bla, bla. LE just didn't know what they were talking about. :rolleyes:

That's just the beginning of their lies and coverup to help Casey. It snowballed from there.

Morning all!
It will be a HORRIBLE injustice if the Anthony's aren't charged with something.
They lied and covered up for Casey OVER AND OVER. I think the general public should DEMAND that they are held accountable for their lying actions.

[Sun]

On the Orange County jail commissary list they sell #2 pencils w/erasers, Flex pens, colored pencils, legal pads and sketch pads. Envelopes and stamps are also available for purchase.

Speaking of communications, I came across this while searching for something else:

>snipped<

Florida officials have banned inmates from having the Match.com-style listings, saying prisoners just create problems for their outside-the-pen pals.

In 2003, the department changed its policy to prohibit inmates from advertising for pen pals or getting mail from pen pal groups. Inmates who continue to advertise can have privileges such as visitation or phone calls revoked.

http://prisonmovement.wordpress.com/2009/08/01/your-request-is-being-processed-prisons-ban-inmates-from-having-pen-pal-ads/

Thanks so much for finding and posting this!

[Sun]

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/8/20/...

NeJame, Miller To Reveal All In Anthony Case
Thursday, August 20, 2009 11:02:19 AM

ORLANDO -- The former attorney for the Anthony family is revealing more about what he knows in the Casey Anthony case.

Attorney Mark NeJame will hold a press conference at his office Thursday at 2 p.m.
In a motion filed earlier, Casey Anthony's defense team wants an Orange County judge to order Tim Miller, president of Texas EquuSearch, to turn over documents.

NeJame is now the attorney for Miller.

Both Miller and NeJame are expected in court at 9:30 a.m. Friday for the hearing.

Very, very interesting. It's good to see NeJame continue to represent TM.

[Jester]

I always chuckle when I hear casey's friends saying "casey must have had help...she isn't smart enough to do it alone".

You call THAT a smart crime????? :scared:

That is funny. No job, no income, no nanny ... but the nanny did it (like the butler did it) ... and the nanny hid the body in the backyard (or a couple of blocks away in the pet cemetery). Then we have the smart parents insisting their granddaughter is alive but looking for her under the playhouse - what was she supposedly doing alive under the playhouse for 31 days ... hiding? What were Cindy and George going to do with Caylee if they found her under the playhouse? We know they were withholding evidence ... were they going to move the body?

[Sun]

It will be interesting to see her in action tomorrow. I think there will be a slap down of Baez if he opens his mouth tomorrow.

There will be no tears from AL since there is no jury. I think the state is glad for a competent attorney who hopefully is professional in her manner. It think they were worried that all the work to convict Casey would be overturned due to ineffective counsel. She might be a tough opponent for them, but it might make the case stronger when Casey gets convicted.

I also think that the State was not "happy" with dealing with Baez's unprofessional and inexperienced ways. Several times the State, and even the Judge appeared to be doing things to protect Casey's rights, when Baez was not. Now, I believe that we'll see Lyon trying to go back and trying to undo things that Baez has done wrong.

[Rapunzel]

NeJame said he will hand over documents, disks of information and photos regarding the Texas-based group’s search for Caylee Anthony last year.


http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/8/20/nejame_miller_reveal_all_in_anthony_case.html

[ish]

Found this on the Florida Department of Connections, this is what KC has to look forward too:

The Daily Routine of Death Row Inmates Death Row & Death Watch cells:
A Death Row cell is 6 x 9 x 9.5 feet high. Florida State Prison also has Death Watch cells to incarcerate inmates awaiting execution after the Governor signs a death warrant for them. A Death Watch cell is 12 x 7 x 8.5 feet high.

Men on Death Row are housed at Florida State Prison in Starke, FL, and Union Correctional Institution in Raiford, FL. The women on Death Row are housed at Lowell Correctional Institution Annex in Lowell, FL.


Meals: Death Row inmates are served meals three times a day: at 5:00 am, from 10:30 am to 11:00 am and from 4:00 pm to 4:30 pm. Food is prepared by prison staff and transported in insulated carts to the cells. Inmates are allowed plates and spoons to eat their meals. Prior to execution, an inmate may request a last meal. To avoid extravagance, the food to prepare the last meal must cost no more than $40 and must be purchased locally.

Visitors: All inmate visitors must be approved before visitation is allowed. Questions regarding an inmate's visiting day(s), visiting hours, and special visits should be directed to the Classification Officer responsible for the inmate at the inmate's assigned facility. Questions may be sent by letter, e-mail or by telephone. Members of the news media may request Death Row inmate interviews through the Department of Corrections Public Affairs Office at (850) 488-0420. The inmate must agree to the interview and the interview will be non-contact.


Showers: The inmates may shower every other day.

Security: Death Row inmates are counted at least once an hour. They are escorted in handcuffs and wear them everywhere except in their cells, the exercise yard and the shower. They are in their cells at all times except for medical reasons, exercise, social or legal visits or media interviews. When a death warrant is signed the inmate is put under Death Watch status and is allowed a legal and social phone call.

Mail,
Magazines &
Entertainment: Inmates may receive mail every day except holidays and weekends. They may have cigarettes, snacks, radios and 13" televisions in their cells. They do not have cable television or air-conditioning and they are not allowed to be with each other in a common room. They can watch church services on closed circuit television. While on Death Watch, inmates may have radios and televisions positioned outside their cell bars.

Clothing: Death Row inmates can be distinguished from other inmates by their orange t-shirts. Their pants are the same blue colored pants worn by regular inmates.

my bold.

I think orange is Casey's color, she will look great in it.

[Tia]

NeJame said he will hand over documents, disks of information and photos regarding the Texas-based group’s search for Caylee Anthony last year.


http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/8/20/nejame_miller_reveal_all_in_anthony_case.html


Why would the defense be so interested in the search docs? Any ideas?

[101Spots]

http://ebookstore.sony.com/ebook/andrea-d-lyon/a-mother-accused/_/R-400000000000000170789


AL's new book...LMAO...selling for $1.99!!!!!
No wonder she took this case...can't wait to see her book about KC after all this is over...follow the money trail...

FWIW, Kaplan Publishing is an imprint (division) of Simon & Shuster.

Hmmmmmmm..........

[margaritaville]

http://ebookstore.sony.com/ebook/andrea-d-lyon/a-mother-accused/_/R-400000000000000170789


AL's new book...LMAO...selling for $1.99!!!!!
No wonder she took this case...can't wait to see her book about KC after all this is over...follow the money trail...


this is an E-book (on-line book) what is the normal price for these? anyone know? I have never purchased an E-book before...

It is kinda funny that it is brand new and $1.99......

[ish]

Right now, they're as delusional as team Casey is. They are hoping that Baez has assembled a dream team what will get Casey off. They can concentrate on the up coming trial. I picture them having every record of what they've said to LE, and the public. And they quiz each other on what will be said at trial. Baez may already be helping them in the department.

As soon as a 'Guilty' verdict is read in court they'll have a caseyisinnocent. com site set up. Maybe we'll finally see a sketch of the invisi-nanny.

my bold

It will be like one of those "magic eye" pictures, if you stare at them long enough and squint your eye just right the image magically appears. Mr Pitt, Elaine's boss on Seinfeld got all nutsy over one of them.

[Jester]

Why would the defense be so interested in the search docs? Any ideas?

I think they want to interview the searchers with the hopes that someone will say they searched the area where Caylee was found, and that her remains were not there at that time. That is, they want to suggest that the remains were put there after Casey was arrested the first time.

[Sun]

this is an E-book (on-line book) what is the normal price for these? anyone know? I have never purchased an E-book before...

It is kinda funny that it is brand new and $1.99......

Isn't this just an "excerpt" from the book? Not the whole book.

[Jester]

this is an E-book (on-line book) what is the normal price for these? anyone know? I have never purchased an E-book before...

It is kinda funny that it is brand new and $1.99......

Could that mean it's self published ... as in ... no one would publish the book so she put it online?

[crimeq]

FWIW, Kaplan Publishing is an imprint (division) of Simon & Shuster.

Hmmmmmmm..........

This is very interesting--a marketing strategy to sell her book Angel of Death Row, while simultaneously putting out a case to the public that is similar to Casey's, a mother killing her little child.

This is an excerpt only, available for download onto Kindle readers. That's why it's $1.99. Note that the publication date is Aug. 4 2009.

It's not her entire new book--just an excerpt--I don't see the Angel book on Amazon yet and don't remember exactly when it's to be released, but sometime soon, this fall.

This is actually a brilliant marketing strategy on Lyons' part and she's trying to build in defense (CAnthony) strategy too, IMO.

[ish]

Yep..they also knew there was no nanny. But yet cindy has this imaginary number and address of the nanny.. also knew Annebelle Lewis went to same nanny.. what a farce.. The "missing Child" was to get media attention so they could generate donations so they could live off of...IMO they committed a fraud and still are.......mo..

Don't forget about little Zachary Hopkins, ZFG watched him too.I guess their parents don't have to be punished by having their children taken away for some mysterious reason.

I wonder who is watching them now? :rolleyes:

[Sun]

I think they want to interview the searchers with the hopes that someone will say they searched the area when Caylee was found and her remains were not there at that time. That is, they want to suggest that the remains were put there after Casey was arrested the first time.

The defense wants to be able to show to the jury that the area was searched "after" Casey went to jail in July. That nothing was found and that the area was searched. ....the defense wants to give at least one Juror some doubt that Casey dumped the body there. That someone other than Casey committed this crime.

[AnnInOhio]

I think they want to interview the searchers with the hopes that someone will say they searched the area where Caylee was found, and that her remains were not there at that time. That is, they want to suggest that the remains were put there after Casey was arrested the first time.

Bingo! I think you're right.

[Tia]

I think they want to interview the searchers with the hopes that someone will say they searched the area where Caylee was found and her remains were not there at that time. That is, they want to suggest that the remains were put there after Casey was arrested the first time.

Oh! Right! Boy do I feel stupid!!!

IIRC, wasn't the amount of time that Caylee was in that spot confirmed by vegetation, etc.........??? So, whether the searches saw her or not really doesn't matter, she was there, just not seen.

[Jester]

The defense wants to be able to show to the jury that the area was searched "after" Casey went to jail in July. That nothing was found and that the area was searched. ....the defense wants to give at least one Juror some doubt that Casey dumped the body there. That someone other than Casey committed this crime.

Even if someone does come forward and claim they searched in exactly that area, isn't there enough forensic evidence about plants growing through the bones to indicate the remains were there all along? Also, wasn't there water in the area when Tim's group searched in the general area?

[crimeq]

The defense wants to be able to show to the jury that the area was searched "after" Casey went to jail in July. That nothing was found and that the area was searched. ....the defense wants to give at least one Juror some doubt that Casey dumped the body there. That someone other than Casey committed this crime.

But I think we have video of Tim M standing right in front of that area, stating it was under water and he couldn't risk sending his people in for their safety, and also for the safety of Caylee's body if it were there (being run over by 4-wheelers, etc.).

That, combined with the vegetation growth through Caylee's remains, are going to paint the picture that Caylee's remains always were in that location, IMO.

[Dells]

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/8/20/...

NeJame, Miller To Reveal All In Anthony Case
Thursday, August 20, 2009 11:02:19 AM

ORLANDO -- The former attorney for the Anthony family is revealing more about what he knows in the Casey Anthony case.

Attorney Mark NeJame will hold a press conference at his office Thursday at 2 p.m.
In a motion filed earlier, Casey Anthony's defense team wants an Orange County judge to order Tim Miller, president of Texas EquuSearch, to turn over documents.

NeJame is now the attorney for Miller.

Both Miller and NeJame are expected in court at 9:30 a.m. Friday for the hearing.

Very interesting! Thanks so much for providing us w/the link. :seeya: Can't wait for this press conference.:thumbup:

[Jester]

Oh! Right! Boy do I feel stupid!!!

IIRC, wasn't the amount of time that Caylee was in that spot confirmed by vegetation, etc.........??? So, whether the searches saw her or not really doesn't matter, she was there, just not seen.

We all have our moments. That's exactly what I was just thinking ... vegetation will contradict anyone's claim that they searched that exact area and did not see the remains. Baez is looking for anything to provide reasonable doubt that Casey is the murderer. Another problem for the defense is that Caylee was found in the area where Casey and her friend buried their dead pets. It's circumstantial, but still highly coincidental that someone else would put Caylee in the same place that Casey put her dead pets.

[Tia]

But I think we have video of Tim M standing right in front of that area, stating it was under water and he couldn't risk sending his people in for their safety, and also for the safety of Caylee's body if it were there (being run over by 4-wheelers, etc.).

That, combined with the vegetation growth through Caylee's remains, are going to paint the picture that Caylee's remains always were in that location, IMO.

Exactly. I guess that's why I am confused about why the defense would want the info from TM.

[101Spots]

Could that mean it's self published ... as in ... no one would publish the book so she put it online?

Nope. Kaplan is a very legitimate publisher.

[ish]

The defense wants to be able to show to the jury that the area was searched "after" Casey went to jail in July. That nothing was found and that the area was searched. ....the defense wants to give at least one Juror some doubt that Casey dumped the body there. That someone other than Casey committed this crime.

I think they might also be looking for someone who took part in the search that may have a sketchy past, someone they can put suspicion on. Try to make the jury think some oddball killed Caylee and then participated in the search to make sure her body was not discovered or just to get their jollies off.

The defense will try anything.

[Dells]

I always chuckle when I hear casey's friends saying "casey must have had help...she isn't smart enough to do it alone".

You call THAT a smart crime????? :scared:

I so agree w/you. Of course Casey committed this crime alone. She seems to have committed every mistake in the book. If she had help, Caylee's body would not have been found and she would have come up w/a much better cover story than an imaginary nanny. I also think her demeanor would have been much different during those 31 days. I don't think there would have been all of that partying and there would not have been a tattoo. I doubt she would have stolen Amy's checks and money as well. This crime was stupid. Very stupid.:sneaky:

[Jester]

Nope. Kaplan is a very legitimate publisher.

Thanks ... I see now that it's only and excerpt ... marketing ploy.

[need2no]

This is very interesting--a marketing strategy to sell her book Angel of Death Row, while simultaneously putting out a case to the public that is similar to Casey's, a mother killing her little child.

This is an excerpt only, available for download onto Kindle readers. That's why it's $1.99. Note that the publication date is Aug. 4 2009.

It's not her entire new book--just an excerpt--I don't see the Angel book on Amazon yet and don't remember exactly when it's to be released, but sometime soon, this fall.

This is actually a brilliant marketing strategy on Lyons' part and she's trying to build in defense (CAnthony) strategy too, IMO.

Bold is mine, and ITA.

On AL's website it says the book will be released in January 2010.
Hmmmm...presumbably this will be within months of casey's trial. I anticipate seeing every article that mentions the Anthony trial and AL, also mentioning her hot off the press book. :rolleyes:

[Dells]

Morning all!
It will be a HORRIBLE injustice if the Anthony's aren't charged with something.
They lied and covered up for Casey OVER AND OVER. I think the general public should DEMAND that they are held accountable for their lying actions.

I agree w/you. If The Anthony's are allowed to get away w/all their lying and covering up, it will be like an open invitation to other families to do the same when their family members are in the same situation as Casey. I can understand them saying they want to stand by her and support her, but then leave it at that. Don't go on to break the law in her behalf.

I think it is ironic, because in some ways I think The Anthony's have had the exact opposite effect that they intended. Instead of helping Casey, I think their lying and covering up has only helped the case against her. Their actions are going to help secure her conviction. If Casey was so innocent, then they would not need to lie and cover up for her.

[grammaw]

Bold is mine, and ITA.

On AL's website it says the book will be released in January 2010.
Hmmmm...presumbably this will be within months of casey's trial. I anticipate seeing every article that mentions the Anthony trial and AL, also mentioning her hot off the press book. :rolleyes:

Angel,what angel?Surely she's out there in LALA Land,Casey has never been an angel in her life,and I resent her trying to suggest that!!

[AnnInOhio]

I agree w/you. If The Anthony's are allowed to get away w/all their lying and covering up, it will be like an open invitation to other families to do the same when their family members are in the same situation as Casey. I can understand them saying they want to stand by her and support her, but then leave it at that. Don't go on to break the law in her behalf.

I think it is ironic, because in some ways I think The Anthony's have had the exact opposite effect that they intended. Instead of helping Casey, I think their lying and covering up has only helped the case against her. Their actions are going to help secure her conviction. If Casey was so innocent, then they would not need to lie and cover up for her.

I can't help but feel that Cindy Anthony now regrets having called 911. I think if she'd have had any clue Casey was capable of killing Caylee she'd never have called and they, as a family, would have covered this up with some concocted story such as Casey had decided to let Caylee be adopted.

[sydney]

"son of sam" did get knocked down. Primarily, the family of the victim files a wrongful death suit so any money to be made will not be enjoyed by the perpretator.

thanks, blue. this may be a stoopid question, but do you think the a's will have the gall to file one, should kc be convicted? would they be barred from that? i mean, they haven't been accused/convicted of anything. or am i just nutz?

they are profiting off caylee's death now, perhaps they can further their financial gain based on her murder after the trial.

thanks.

[101Spots]

Angel,what angel?Surely she's out there in LALA Land,Casey has never been an angel in her life,and I resent her trying to suggest that!!

This book is not about Casey.

But I'm sure there's a Casey book already planned. :rolleyes:

[Dells]

I think they might also be looking for someone who took part in the search that may have a sketchy past, someone they can put suspicion on. Try to make the jury think some oddball killed Caylee and then participated in the search to make sure her body was not discovered or just to get their jollies off.

The defense will try anything.

Yep, I so agree w/you. I think actually JB is more interested in trying to find someone else to pin this on than he is about trying to prove that Caylee's body was not there when TES searched the area.

I don't think JB's strategy is going to fly. The jury would have to believe that this mentally unstable person had the frame to plant evidence in Casey's car and they also had access to the Anthony family home in order to get all of the items that were found w/Caylee's remains. All the while, they left absolutely no evidence that they themselves were involved in Caylee's disappearance and murder. In fact, they were able to make ALL the evidence point directly to Casey. Plus, they were able to intimidate Casey enough that she didn't report Caylee missing for 31 days and then when LE did catch up w/her she created a fake nanny instead of naming the "real" person responsible for what happened to Caylee. Riiiight, like a jury is going to believe that. I know the defense at least has to try, but I wonder if they truly know how ridiculous some of these strategies sound?

[grammaw]

This book is not about Casey.

But I'm sure there's a Casey book already planned. :rolleyes:

I understand that,but to write a book(which I doubt she did,just her name on it)which sounds like this could come from her(Casey's)case.

[sammy62]

I can't help but feel that Cindy Anthony now regrets having called 911. I think if she'd have had any clue Casey was capable of killing Caylee she'd never have called and they, as a family, would have covered this up with some concocted story such as Casey had decided to let Caylee be adopted.

I agree with you. I don't think Cindy knew right away that Casey killed Cayle....as some think. Cindy has a mouth that engages before she thinks, but I do think Cindy would have come up with a more believable story...had she known in the beginning.

[nana6]

could someone please give me the link so i may watch the hearing in the am?:wub:

[Tia]

I can't help but feel that Cindy Anthony now regrets having called 911. I think if she'd have had any clue Casey was capable of killing Caylee she'd never have called and they, as a family, would have covered this up with some concocted story such as Casey had decided to let Caylee be adopted.

ITA! The A's don't seem to have too many friends, so covering it up wouldn't have been too hard for them.

[sydney]

ITA! The A's don't seem to have too many friends, so covering it up wouldn't have been too hard for them.

what an awful thought. that you could just forget about your own flesh and blood like they never existed. then again, it seems to me that they are giving just a brief nod to caylee's existence and her memory, but only when it suits their purposes.

[crimeq]

Bold is mine, and ITA.

On AL's website it says the book will be released in January 2010.
Hmmmm...presumbably this will be within months of casey's trial. I anticipate seeing every article that mentions the Anthony trial and AL, also mentioning her hot off the press book. :rolleyes:

Yes, AL will get lots of marketing bennies and book sales because of the timing of the trial and the publication of her book.

Well, WHY ELSE do you think she signed on for the Casey defense? LOL. It was obvious from the very beginning; we heard she was going to defend Casey, and we heard she had a book coming out for publication.

[nana6]

are we moving slowly here or is it our new puter?

[bchand]

http://ebookstore.sony.com/ebook/andrea-d-lyon/a-mother-accused/_/R-400000000000000170789


AL's new book...LMAO...selling for $1.99!!!!!
No wonder she took this case...can't wait to see her book about KC after all this is over...follow the money trail...

Thanks Rapunzel. lol The Kindle version is only $1.59.

I may read it just to get some insight on what she may attempt to do in this trial.

[sydney]

are we moving slowly here or is it our new puter?

well i, for one, sure don't move as quickly as i used to!:laugh:

[nana6]

well i, for one, sure don't move as quickly as i used to!:laugh:

Hi Sydney, Neither do I AT 60!!!!

[Sun]

But I think we have video of Tim M standing right in front of that area, stating it was under water and he couldn't risk sending his people in for their safety, and also for the safety of Caylee's body if it were there (being run over by 4-wheelers, etc.).

That, combined with the vegetation growth through Caylee's remains, are going to paint the picture that Caylee's remains always were in that location, IMO.

Exactly in the area that Caylee's remains were found, nobody was going to drive an ATV through those woods. That area was just too thick with trees and natural vegetation. I believe that the area in which the 4-wheeler was lost was farther down the road (but likely could have been in the same overall search quadrant).

I've looked at overhead shots of that part of town, and the triangle piece of undeveloped area behind the Anthony house would have been on my radar as one that should have been searched if there was any possible way to do it. Swampy areas are a problem, and could make searching them nearly impossible.

As I visualize how that area may have been, I would not have been physically or mentally capable to wade into a possibly boot sucking, swampy, snake infested, bug ridden, overgrown woody area, to stick my hands down into swampy water to feel around for bones.

[sydney]

Thanks Rapunzel. lol The Kindle version is only $1.59.

I may read it just to get some insight on what she may attempt to do in this trial.

hey, bchand! i like to think that ms lyons may actually care about kc. perhaps she saw kc's case being so badly mishandled that it cried out for her intervention. i'm not being facetious, either.

there are good and bad in all professions.:smile:

[sydney]

Hi Sydney, Neither do I AT 60!!!!

you don't look a day over 50 to me!

[Sun]

I think they might also be looking for someone who took part in the search that may have a sketchy past, someone they can put suspicion on. Try to make the jury think some oddball killed Caylee and then participated in the search to make sure her body was not discovered or just to get their jollies off.

The defense will try anything.

One fellow comes to mind that they could say would fit this, a certain KW, who they asked for phone records from. Or even one of those others that they requested phone records from.

[nana6]

[QUOTE=sydney;13381411]you don't look a day over 50 to me!


[/Sydney, Do you happen to know the link I can go to tomorrow to watch the hearing???

[crimeq]

I can't help but feel that Cindy Anthony now regrets having called 911. I think if she'd have had any clue Casey was capable of killing Caylee she'd never have called and they, as a family, would have covered this up with some concocted story such as Casey had decided to let Caylee be adopted.

Agree 100% -- that 911 call proved to be the bane of Cindy's life -- and how funny that it happened because Cindy was trying to one-up Casey, get the last word.

Well, she did, LOL. Thank God.

But I believe Cindy is kicking herself every which way from sideways for making that 911 call. As you said, they simply would have "disappeared" Caylee with some adoption story.

[crimeq]

ITA! The A's don't seem to have too many friends, so covering it up wouldn't have been too hard for them.

"Too many"? LOL Tia, I don't think the Ants have ANY friends! :tongueside:

[sydney]

[/QUOTES] Sydney, Do you happen to know the link I can go to tomorrow to watch the hearing???[/QUOTE]

sorry, nana - i don't but i'm sure someone will help you.

[sydney]

Agree 100% -- that 911 call proved to be the bane of Cindy's life -- and how funny that it happened because Cindy was trying to one-up Casey, get the last word.

Well, she did, LOL. Thank God.

But I believe Cindy is kicking herself every which way from sideways for making that 911 call. As you said, they simply would have "disappeared" Caylee with some adoption story.

hi, crime! don't you think that kc's friends may have found that strange? they all thought at one time that she was a great mother and devoted to her child. or cindy's parents would have wondered? kc lived at home, had no bills to pay, had built-in babysitters with g&c and a nanny. everything was painted as idyllic. i mean, caylee was 2 1/2 so could the question be asked *why now?* what plausible excuse could have been given in light of the perfect setting kc had at home?

[Sun]

Originally Posted by AnnInOhio
I can't help but feel that Cindy Anthony now regrets having called 911. I think if she'd have had any clue Casey was capable of killing Caylee she'd never have called and they, as a family, would have covered this up with some concocted story such as Casey had decided to let Caylee be adopted.

IMO, Cindy is the type of person that NEVER admits that she is wrong about anything. She can always find someone else to blame things on. "Casey, you're blaming "me" for you sitting in the jail?" ....those words out of Cindy's mouth during Casey's first phone call home, tell me that Cindy wasn't feeling any regret at that time. I can't say about "now" though.

[bchand]

hey, bchand! i like to think that ms lyons may actually care about kc. perhaps she saw kc's case being so badly mishandled that it cried out for her intervention. i'm not being facetious, either.

there are good and bad in all professions.:smile:

Hi sydney. I agree with you. As long as her main concern is getting her out of the death penalty and NOT out of this murder, I'm ok with her too.

BUT, she's on record as saying Casey is innocent. That's different.

[sydney]

Hi sydney. I agree with you. As long as her main concern is getting her out of the death penalty and NOT out of this murder, I'm ok with her too.

BUT, she's on record as saying Casey is innocent. That's different.

but she surely can't say kc is guilty but i'll get the dp off the table, right? that wouldn't be advocating for your client.

[desmom]

NeJame said he will hand over documents, disks of information and photos regarding the Texas-based group’s search for Caylee Anthony last year.


http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/8/20/nejame_miller_reveal_all_in_anthony_case.html

From your link: He says the photos taken from a helicopter shows the area where Caylee's body was found was under water. EquuSearch teams did not cover that area because of the water.

Here is the defense motion re: Texas Equusearch
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/07/20/tim.miller.motion.pdf

The motion requests all records relating to TES searches in the area around Suburban Drive and Hidden Oaks Elementary School, video and photographs of searches of this area, all maps, charts, diagrams, drawings and other pictorial representations of search actvities in this areas, all records of communication between TES, its employees, members, volunteers and their phone numbers and contact information and any records of communications between TES and LE.

Question: Didn't JB file a similar motion earlier this year and it was denied by Judge Strickland? Why would he file another motion requesting the same thing? :shrug:

[crimeq]

hi, crime! don't you think that kc's friends may have found that strange? they all thought at one time that she was a great mother and devoted to her child. or cindy's parents would have wondered? kc lived at home, had no bills to pay, had built-in babysitters with g&c and a nanny. everything was painted as idyllic. i mean, caylee was 2 1/2 so could the question be asked *why now?* what plausible excuse could have been given in light of the perfect setting kc had at home?

Remember that Casey is a consummate liar (as is Cindy). They would have had a believable story down pat, and rehearsed it thoroughly.

That coupled with the fact that young 20-somethings really don't pay too much attention beyond themselves yet, would probably do the trick.

Casey may even have said that the grandparents (now living in Italy) of Caylee's father who died in an auto accident, were devastated and had lost their only other child too, and desperately wanted Caylee, so Caylee made the grand and glorious gesture to let the paternal grandparents raise Caylee in Italy.

With a story like that, Casey would come off as a martyr and a hero.

They could have made it work and they would have made it work, and nobody outside the AntFam would ever be the wiser.

[AnnInOhio]

Agree 100% -- that 911 call proved to be the bane of Cindy's life -- and how funny that it happened because Cindy was trying to one-up Casey, get the last word.

Well, she did, LOL. Thank God.

But I believe Cindy is kicking herself every which way from sideways for making that 911 call. As you said, they simply would have "disappeared" Caylee with some adoption story.

I can't imagine how they reconcile their emotions. How do they look in the mirror every morning realizing what not only their daughter but THEY are capable of?

[crimeq]

but she surely can't say kc is guilty but i'll get the dp off the table, right? that wouldn't be advocating for your client.

Yes, AL's stance is that even if the crime was committed, it doesn't warrant the death penalty. According to AL, NO crime warrants the death penalty.

So punishment for the crime can be imposed, just not the death penalty.

[sydney]

With a story like that, Casey would come off as a martyr and a hero.

They could have made it work and they would have made it work, and nobody outside the AntFam would ever be the wiser.

(snipped by me and bold is mine)

as would cindy, the sacrificing grandmother. yup, makes sick sense to me.

[sydney]

Yes, AL's stance is that even if the crime was committed, it doesn't warrant the death penalty. According to AL, NO crime warrants the death penalty.

So punishment for the crime can be imposed, just not the death penalty.

i agree with you, crime. i'm pretty sure al won't say that kc is guilty but doesn't deserve the death penalty at this stage of the game. i mean, she HAS to say kc's innocent. later on, at the penalty stage, she can say kc is guilty BUT.......:smile:

[sydney]

hey, des - do you have a link for tomorrow's hearing? inquiring minds want to know.

tia

[bchand]

I can't even justify spending $1.59 on AL's book so I'm downloading a free sample of it for my Kindle.

I'm afraid any $$$ she gets may go towards Casey's defense.

[AnnInOhio]

hi, crime! don't you think that kc's friends may have found that strange? they all thought at one time that she was a great mother and devoted to her child. or cindy's parents would have wondered? kc lived at home, had no bills to pay, had built-in babysitters with g&c and a nanny. everything was painted as idyllic. i mean, caylee was 2 1/2 so could the question be asked *why now?* what plausible excuse could have been given in light of the perfect setting kc had at home?

You're expecting logic from the A's?? Their answer would have been because they loved Caylee so and she was with someone who loved her and could offer her sooo much more than Casey & the A's. She's with God now, so that is true enough.

[really3997]

:seeya:

Hello everyone. I just want to pop in and say hey...

I am getting rumblings of filming on Hopespring Dr for the past few days. Not sure what that is all about but when I hear more I will let you know. If someone can give info on the pressure with Nejame I would greatly appreciate it as I cannot log onto certain things at work.

[crimeq]

i agree with you, crime. i'm pretty sure al won't say that kc is guilty but doesn't deserve the death penalty at this stage of the game. i mean, she HAS to say kc's innocent. later on, at the penalty stage, she can say kc is guilty BUT.......:smile:

Yes, I think AL is claiming Casey's innocence at this point, but her focus is to get the death penalty off the table. If she succeeds in that, AL won't even be around at the penalty stage--her work will have been done.

It will be interesting to see if she is kept on though (or even wants to be kept on) by Baez, after her real work is done--getting the DP off the table.

IF she is able to do that. Her record is outstanding. I'd love to see it break or slip because of Casey Anthony--that Casey's crime is recognized as so heinous, that the DP will not be withdrawn.

[crimeq]

I can't even justify spending $1.59 on AL's book so I'm downloading a free sample of it for my Kindle.

I'm afraid any $$$ she gets may go towards Casey's defense.

Let us know :-) AL will make quite a lot of money even from this little price of the ebook; there's virtually no overhead in publishing/distributing ebooks.

[really3997]

hey, des - do you have a link for tomorrow's hearing? inquiring minds want to know.

tia

WFTV said that they would be there. Not sure if they are showing it live but go to their website

[sydney]

when kc is found guilty and they go to the penalty phase and mitigation, can you just imagine what will happen when they point to g&c and say their poor parenting contributed to kc's current state? and i'm purty darn sure that is what is going to happen. g and c can get up there and they will be between a rock and a hard place - either admitting or denying they were bad parents to save their daughter's life. if they admit it, there goes the perfect family image. if they deny it, perhaps the dp will be imposed.

[Tia]

"Too many"? LOL Tia, I don't think the Ants have ANY friends! :tongueside:



I was trying to be "nice"
:biggrinjester:

[crimeq]

:seeya:

Hello everyone. I just want to pop in and say hey...

I am getting rumblings of filming on Hopespring Dr for the past few days. Not sure what that is all about but when I hear more I will let you know. If someone can give info on the pressure with Nejame I would greatly appreciate it as I cannot log onto certain things at work.

Oh boy! Keep us posted! Really, I am SO glad you are here and I know all the other posters are equally glad.

I'm sure someone will be posting play-by-play of Nejame's presser. We have so many talented and valuable posters here :smile:

[sydney]

Yes, I think AL is claiming Casey's innocence at this point, but her focus is to get the death penalty off the table. If she succeeds in that, AL won't even be around at the penalty stage--her work will have been done.



(el snip-o - sorry crime)

i don't think the state is going to budge on removing the dp unless kc pleads out (which ain't gonna happen). i think al will have to stay around for the sentencing to prove that there were enough mitigating factors to spare kc's life.

[crimeq]

when kc is found guilty and they go to the penalty phase and mitigation, can you just imagine what will happen when they point to g&c and say their poor parenting contributed to kc's current state? and i'm purty darn sure that is what is going to happen. g and c can get up there and they will be between a rock and a hard place - either admitting or denying they were bad parents to save their daughter's life. if they admit it, there goes the perfect family image. if they deny it, perhaps the dp will be imposed.

I agree, that will happen, since AL's strategy is to dig into the childhood pasts of her clients to find the causation for the crime the perp committed.

Cindy will have apoplexy.

[crimeq]

I was trying to be "nice"
:biggrinjester:

And so you were :biggrinjester:

[AnnInOhio]

Remember that Casey is a consummate liar (as is Cindy). They would have had a believable story down pat, and rehearsed it thoroughly.

That coupled with the fact that young 20-somethings really don't pay too much attention beyond themselves yet, would probably do the trick.

Casey may even have said that the grandparents (now living in Italy) of Caylee's father who died in an auto accident, were devastated and had lost their only other child too, and desperately wanted Caylee, so Caylee made the grand and glorious gesture to let the paternal grandparents raise Caylee in Italy.

With a story like that, Casey would come off as a martyr and a hero.

They could have made it work and they would have made it work, and nobody outside the AntFam would ever be the wiser.

It's so sad that I can picture them pulling that off without missing a beat. While little Caylee lays down the street thrown away like trash. Of course I'm sure Lee & George would have disposed of the body more thoroughly had they known in time.

[sydney]

I agree, that will happen, since AL's strategy is to dig into the childhood pasts of her clients to find the causation for the crime the perp committed.

Cindy will have apoplexy.

nah - she'll take the fifth. as will the other fingers.

[Sun]

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Letter%20ASA%20Baez%20Photos.pdf

NeJame's letter

[sydney]

i wish i could pass the blame on my "childhood" for some of the stoopid stuff i've done in the past (and, on occasion, still do:rolleyes:)

life would be so much simpler to just say "it ain't me, babe"

[Sun]

http://cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Response%20Material%20Witness%20(3).pdf

NeJames response to Lyon's motion.

[sammy62]

From your link: He says the photos taken from a helicopter shows the area where Caylee's body was found was under water. EquuSearch teams did not cover that area because of the water.

Here is the defense motion re: Texas Equusearch
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/07/20/tim.miller.motion.pdf

The motion requests all records relating to TES searches in the area around Suburban Drive and Hidden Oaks Elementary School, video and photographs of searches of this area, all maps, charts, diagrams, drawings and other pictorial representations of search actvities in this areas, all records of communication between TES, its employees, members, volunteers and their phone numbers and contact information and any records of communications between TES and LE.

Question: Didn't JB file a similar motion earlier this year and it was denied by Judge Strickland? Why would he file another motion requesting the same thing? :shrug:

I listened to that tape yesterday. He denied it because he did not have any jurisdiction in Texas.

[Jester]

http://cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Response%20Material%20Witness%20(3).pdf

NeJames response to Lyon's motion.

I like the part about verifying that funds to cover costs of preparing materials come from a permissible source.

[Sun]

I like the part about verifying that funds to cover costs of preparing materials come from a permissible source.

I saw that too. No more anonomous money orders delivered from the Baez Law Firm. NeJame/TM wants any payments to be aboveboard.

[sydney]

I like the part about verifying that funds to cover costs of preparing materials come from a permissible source.

i'm glad he put the onus on kc to pay for the records - they are a non-for-profit corp - in essence, why should they donate their funds (by producing the records at their own cost) to her defense?

[enigma™]

I saw that too. No more anonomous money orders delivered from the Baez Law Firm. NeJame/TM wants any payments to be aboveboard.

Say it is not so! They could single-handedly put AMSCOT out of business, (or so they may proclaim).

[Sun]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-082009,0,1115498.story

In a 90-page motion and corresponding exhibits filed today, defense lawyers Linda Kenney Baden, Andrea D. Lyon and Jose Baez say they want law-enforcement communications with the FBI, Oak Ridge National Laboratory and various experts including a botanist and entomologist.

[Sun]

Does anyone have a link to the press conference for today at 2 p.m.? Is it being aired "live" anywhere?

[Scampi]

NeJame said he will hand over documents, disks of information and photos regarding the Texas-based group’s search for Caylee Anthony last year.


http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/8/20/nejame_miller_reveal_all_in_anthony_case.html


Thank you Rap for these links.

Once again, Nejame shows what a class act he is. The letter he wrote leaves no doubt that the critical area where Caylee was found, was indeed under water with very dense foliage.

Puts a real crimp in the defense's nonsense that the remains were placed there recently, imo.

[bchand]

Does anyone have a link to the press conference for today at 2 p.m.? Is it being aired "live" anywhere?

Wesh is saying his presser will be on Friday at 2 pm.

http://www.wesh.com/news/20478568/detail.html

Miller's attorney, Mark NeJame, will hold a press conference on Friday at 2 p.m. regarding the photos.

[Sun]

Wesh is saying his presser will be on Friday at 2 pm.

http://www.wesh.com/news/20478568/detail.html

Miller's attorney, Mark NeJame, will hold a press conference on Friday at 2 p.m. regarding the photos.

Thanks! I guess that I was confused about it being held today.

I did find that: News 13 will broadcast Friday's hearing live.

[desmom]

hey, des - do you have a link for tomorrow's hearing? inquiring minds want to know.

tia

I didn't see anything. They don't usually put them up until about 15-30 minutes before the hearing begins. If history repeats itself, the following will air live:

http://www.wftv.com/index.html

http://www.wesh.com/index.html

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/

http://www.cfnews13.com/

Look for a banner on the top of their homepage tomorrow.

jmo

[bchand]

Casey Anthony's Defense Wants Info From Prosecutors

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-082009,0,1115498.story

Casey Anthony's defense has made another request for information from prosecutors.

In a 90-page motion and corresponding exhibits filed today, defense lawyers Linda Kenney Baden, Andrea D. Lyon and Jose Baez say they want law-enforcement communications with the FBI, Oak Ridge National Laboratory and various experts including a botanist and entomologist.

Defense attorneys requested information in the first-degree murder case against Anthony in March and they have not received the material, the motion said.

[bchand]

Thanks! I guess that I was confused about it being held today.

I did find that: News 13 will broadcast Friday's hearing live.

No, we're not confused. I think that earlier link said it would be TODAY. I noticed that disappeared so it was most likely in error.

[Sun]

No, we're not confused. I think that earlier link said it would be TODAY. I noticed that disappeared so it was most likely in error.

Ah! ok. They are keeping us on our toes!

I'm now trying to search around and see which media is going to be the first to post the 90-page motion that Lyon filed today. I want to read through it.

[bchand]

Ah! ok. They are keeping us on our toes!

I'm now trying to search around and see which media is going to be the first to post the 90-page motion that Lyon filed today. I want to read through it.

I hope the 90 pages includes some exhibits....groan.


I love this section in Nejames letter:

NeJame's office also released aerial photos showing the property in east Orange County was wet while searchers were looking for Caylee.

"This seems to clearly contradict any claims that the area was dry previous to Caylee's discovery and the likelihood that Caylee was later brought to that location,'' NeJame's office said in a statement.

[desmom]

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Letter%20ASA%20Baez%20Photos.pdf

NeJame's letter

http://cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Response%20Material%20Witness%20(3).pdf

NeJames response to Lyon's motion.

Thanks for the links. :seeya:

[newsjunkie]

Anyone know what time the hearing will be tomorrow please?

[sydney]

I didn't see anything. They don't usually put them up until about 15-30 minutes before the hearing begins. If history repeats itself, the following will air live:

http://www.wftv.com/index.html

http://www.wesh.com/index.html

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/

http://www.cfnews13.com/

Look for a banner on the top of their homepage tomorrow.

jmo

thanks, des.

[Sun]

Anyone know what time the hearing will be tomorrow please?

9:30 a.m. eastern time

[Scampi]

Casey Anthony's Defense Wants Info From Prosecutors

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-082009,0,1115498.story

Casey Anthony's defense has made another request for information from prosecutors.

In a 90-page motion and corresponding exhibits filed today, defense lawyers Linda Kenney Baden, Andrea D. Lyon and Jose Baez say they want law-enforcement communications with the FBI, Oak Ridge National Laboratory and various experts including a botanist and entomologist.

Defense attorneys requested information in the first-degree murder case against Anthony in March and they have not received the material, the motion said.

I haven't read the motion yet, but really what do they expect the prosecution to do if the FBI and Oakridge have not yet
sent their final written report in, wave a wand?

[newsjunkie]

9:30 a.m. eastern time


Thanks Sun! :thumbsup:

[bchand]

I haven't read the motion yet, but really what do they expect the prosecution to do if the FBI and Oakridge have not yet
sent their final written report in, wave a wand?

That was the answer they got the last time I think. lol

We haven't found the motion yet but we're still watching for it.

[cassidy]

I was trying to be "nice"
:biggrinjester:Originally Posted by crimeq
"Too many"? LOL Tia, I don't think the Ants have ANY friends!



I was trying to be "nice"


Now come on you guys, that have the Milsteads! :biggrinjester:

[margaritaville]

Originally Posted by crimeq
"Too many"? LOL Tia, I don't think the Ants have ANY friends!



I was trying to be "nice"


Now come on you guys, that have the Milsteads! :biggrinjester:


LOL- um hummmmmm.. And what is that old saying??

With friends like that who needs enemies?

Or should it be ...

Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer...

Not really sure what one fits better....

MOO

[Scampi]

That was the answer they got the last time I think. lol

We haven't found the motion yet but we're still watching for it.

This may account for me not reading it....LOL. I'm in a giddy mood today, forgive me.

Glad we are having that hearing tomorrow, going to be interesting
catching up with all our favorite players in this case.

:seeya:

[Sun]

I haven't read the motion yet, but really what do they expect the prosecution to do if the FBI and Oakridge have not yet
sent their final written report in, wave a wand?

Yes, it seems that they do. And, it looks like they want proof that someone is "waving" a wand also.

[Sun]

http://www.wesh.com/video/20479232/index.html

NeJame Live


Is this new or old video?

[Barbara fl.]

LOL- um hummmmmm.. And what is that old saying??

With friends like that who needs enemies?

Or should it be ...

Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer...

Not really sure what one fits better....

MOO


I prefer "Birds of a Feather"......

[sammy62]

Can you request communication between the FBI and anyone. Somehow that seems absurd to me.

[sydney]

LOL- um hummmmmm.. And what is that old saying??

With friends like that who needs enemies?



oh, margarita - the a's have FRENEMIES, dontcha know?

[ish]

IMO, Cindy is the type of person that NEVER admits that she is wrong about anything. She can always find someone else to blame things on. "Casey, you're blaming "me" for you sitting in the jail?" ....those words out of Cindy's mouth during Casey's first phone call home, tell me that Cindy wasn't feeling any regret at that time. I can't say about "now" though.

my bold

What still gets to me everytime I listen to that call, is how calm everyone is except for Christine, Caylee is barely mentioned, yet according to Cindy she was frantic with worry about where Caylee was. You would think they all would have been crying and questioning Casey about Caylee, but only Christine cries, and voices any concern at all about Caylee. Cindy speaks in a butter would melt in her mouth voice to Casey "Sweetheart don't waste your time yelling at me, it's all your fault for lying" Lee tries to play peacemaker and Casey is just pissed that she was arrested "on a f***ing whim" and wants to talk to her boyfriend, because she hasn't spoken to him all day and this call is a big "WASTE"

Play that call for the jury. It should get the desired results.

[Sun]

my bold

What still gets to me everytime I listen to that call, is how calm everyone is except for Christine, Caylee is barely mentioned, yet according to Cindy she was frantic with worry about where Caylee was. You would think they all would have been crying and questioning Casey about Caylee, but only Christine cries, and voices any concern at all about Caylee. Cindy speaks in a butter would melt in her mouth voice to Casey "Sweetheart don't waste your time yelling at me, it's all your fault for lying" Lee tries to play peacemaker and Casey is just pissed that she was arrested "on a f***ing whim" and wants to talk to her boyfriend, because she hasn't spoken to him all day and this call is a big "WASTE"

Play that call for the jury. It should get the desired results.

Didn't Christine have her own kid(s) and Casey/Caylee may have spent time with them? I may be off in my recollection, but I thought that during the early media interviews, that Christine may have even said that she stil had some of Caylee's stuff at her place. Does anyone remember this?

[Sun]

ooo!!! That video of NeJame is from today!

[Sun]

http://www.wesh.com/video/20479232/index.html

NeJame and TM discuss their response to Lyon's motion, and a bit more about the area. ...poor quality raw video/audio.

[Tia]

Originally Posted by crimeq
"Too many"? LOL Tia, I don't think the Ants have ANY friends!



I was trying to be "nice"


Now come on you guys, that have the Milsteads! :biggrinjester:

:laugh:

True!

[crimeq]

Didn't Christine have her own kid(s) and Casey/Caylee may have spent time with them? I may be off in my recollection, but I thought that during the early media interviews, that Christine may have even said that she stil had some of Caylee's stuff at her place. Does anyone remember this?

I belive it was Christine who said her child and Caylee used to have play dates. Those were the only play dates I ever heard about for Caylee, and never saw any pics :-(

[sydney]

Didn't Christine have her own kid(s) and Casey/Caylee may have spent time with them? I may be off in my recollection, but I thought that during the early media interviews, that Christine may have even said that she stil had some of Caylee's stuff at her place. Does anyone remember this?

i do. i believe she was (is) a neighbor of the a's. someone, anyone?

[cassidy]

i do. i believe she was (is) a neighbor of the a's. someone, anyone?

The neighbor was Holly (the bestest Mom EVER!) Christine was a Casey friend, I believe they got together with the kids from time to time. She kinda dropped out of site after that phone call, didn't she?

[Sun]

I belive it was Christine who said her child and Caylee used to have play dates. Those were the only play dates I ever heard about for Caylee, and never saw any pics :-(

Thanks for confirming this. My recollection doesn't work as good as it did when my brain cells were younger.

I also remember Cindy saying that a "chris" returned a bag to her, that contained Caylee's Dora One swimvest thingy. ...until just recently I've always throught that Cindy was refering to a "male named chris" but recently I am starting to wonder if it was Christina that returned that bag (when Cindy had what she called a pow-wow with Casey's old friends).

[ish]

Conway will neither confirm nor deny that G&C, Dominic Casey and Conway himself went to NY to discuss a book deal with Simon and Schuster.

George says neither he nor Cindy has returned to work. Please tell me how their house is not in foreclosure. Who is paying the mortgage, Lee, kind strangers, charitable donations? Is there any way to find out the status of their mortgage? How much is owed, in whose name is the house Etc?

[cassidy]

:seeya:

Hello everyone. I just want to pop in and say hey...

I am getting rumblings of filming on Hopespring Dr for the past few days. Not sure what that is all about but when I hear more I will let you know. If someone can give info on the pressure with Nejame I would greatly appreciate it as I cannot log onto certain things at work.

Ohhhhh, they must be planning a counter-attack for tomorrow.

JMO

[bchand]

http://www.wesh.com/video/20479232/index.html

NeJame and TM discuss their response to Lyon's motion, and a bit more about the area. ...poor quality raw video/audio.


Sun - have you been able to connect to it? I haven't.

[Dells]

hi, crime! don't you think that kc's friends may have found that strange? they all thought at one time that she was a great mother and devoted to her child. or cindy's parents would have wondered? kc lived at home, had no bills to pay, had built-in babysitters with g&c and a nanny. everything was painted as idyllic. i mean, caylee was 2 1/2 so could the question be asked *why now?* what plausible excuse could have been given in light of the perfect setting kc had at home?

I think if The Anthony's would have done that, then someone either in their families, neighborhood, or workplace would have called the authorities to look into what happened to Caylee. I don't think Cindy's mother or brother (Rick) would just buy that they adopted Caylee out when she was almost 3 years old. I think if they would have gone this route, they would have been found out eventually and then they all would have been arrested from the getgo.

I do wonder though if Cindy knew the truth before she called 911 if she could have then helped Casey hide Caylee's body better and helped get rid of other evidence such as the car. I think Cindy could also have helped Casey come up w/a better and much more plausible story as to what happened to Caylee and then they could have gone to LE together. Maybe there would have not been enough evidence to arrest Casey and she would be a free women now and LE would still be searching into what happened to Caylee.

[sydney]

The neighbor was Holly (the bestest Mom EVER!) Christine was a Casey friend, I believe they got together with the kids from time to time. She kinda dropped out of site after that phone call, didn't she?

thanks, cass. it's so hard to keep all these names straight. at least christine was real, huh?

[anon-o-miss]

NeJame said he will hand over documents, disks of information and photos regarding the Texas-based group’s search for Caylee Anthony last year.


http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/8/20/nejame_miller_reveal_all_in_anthony_case.html
Seems to me that the defense may regret going after TM's records. It might just bite them on the behind.

[Sun]

Oh my! Did that video of tomorrow's press conference work for anyone but me? It just finished in a very strange way.

Can you say Skype?

[101Spots]

Sun - have you been able to connect to it? I haven't.

It worked for me. You're not missing much - the quality was *very* poor, as if it was being taped on a cel phone rather than a TV camera. Audio was lousy, too. NeJame (from what I could tell) showed a couple of the pictures and said pretty much what he said in his motions.

[cassidy]

thanks, cass. it's so hard to keep all these names straight. at least christine was real, huh?

LOL yep Christine was a real live person.

[101Spots]

Oh my! Did that video of tomorrow's press conference work for anyone but me? It just finished in a very strange way.

Can you say Skype?

Is that what that was? Never saw anything like it before.

LKL: Weird.

101S: Lousy, too.

[crimeq]

thanks, cass. it's so hard to keep all these names straight. at least christine was real, huh?

LOL! It never occurred to me that Casey's former friends probably feel grateful that they still exist, with all of Casey's other acquaintances disappearing all over the place! I wonder if they wake up in the morning pinching themselves to make sure they're still here.

[Sun]

Sun - have you been able to connect to it? I haven't.

The video finished in a very strange way (wish I'd been paying more attention, darn!!!) ....I'm thinking that what I was watching was a Skyped version from someone at the conference (probably without NeJames knowledge). ????? I can no longer get the link to work.

I'm going to watch HLN very closely through, as one of the very last words that I could make out might have been something to do with them.

[anon-o-miss]

IIRC I read somewhere that Anthony Lazzaro is interning for the JB law firm.. Does anyone know if he started before or after this case started? Also, for one of our law professionals, wouldn't it be unethical to hire an intern or employee when they are slated to be a witness against your client? I would think that would be a conflict of interest of some kind. :shrug: I would really like to hear a professionals opinion on the matter.

[sydney]

I do wonder though if Cindy knew the truth before she called 911 if she could have then helped Casey hide Caylee's body better and helped get rid of other evidence such as the car. I think Cindy could also have helped Casey come up w/a better and much more plausible story as to what happened to Caylee and then they could have gone to LE together. Maybe there would have not been enough evidence to arrest Casey and she would be a free women now and LE would still be searching into what happened to Caylee.

(snipped by me)

hey, dells. i don't think so. caylee was most probably dead for over a month at that time. what could those two have come up with? accident? *i'm young so i got scared and triple bagged my daughter with duct tape around her air passages and a heart sticker on that, and hid her in a swamp and didn't tell anyone?* there probably would have been much more forensic evidence after 31 days than there was after 6 months. not only that, in an "accidental" death, i think they still do an autopsy - not just take anyone's word for it.

[sully]

Just got this from a WS poster who is a personal friend of Tim Miller's!!

FYI--

The interruption was George Anthony who just stormed into the conference furiously demanding to talk to Mark and then refused Mark's request to wait until after the conference. He is with Mark now.

[Sun]

LOL! It never occurred to me that Casey's former friends probably feel grateful that they still exist, with all of Casey's other acquaintances disappearing all over the place! I wonder if they wake up in the morning pinching themselves to make sure they're still here.

I can name a few that may wish that they didn't exist in "Casey's world."

When I think about all the characters in Casey's story, the ones that can't be found, and remember someone on the defense team saying that "Casey isn't a serial killer" ....it sure makes me start to thinkin Do you suppose LE should do further searching to see if they find any other people's bones.

[sydney]

o/t

fool - CLEAR OUT YOUR PMS!

[sydney]

I can name a few that may wish that they didn't exist in "Casey's world."

When I think about all the characters in Casey's story, the ones that can't be found, and remember someone on the defense team saying that "Casey isn't a serial killer" ....it sure makes me start to thinkin Do you suppose LE should do further searching to see if they find any other people's bones.

one of our other wise posters (maybe it was you, sun) said that le should confront kc with the names of all these "imaginary" friends and ask her what happened to them - did she have something to do with the fact that they are missing now - did she KILL them.

i thought that was a hoot!

[Sun]

Just got this from a WS poster who is a personal friend of Tim Miller's!!

FYI--

The interruption was George Anthony who just stormed into the conference furiously demanding to talk to Mark and then refused Mark's request to wait until after the conference. He is with Mark now.

Ah, the drama! Thanks sully for this info!

[Dells]

Just got this from a WS poster who is a personal friend of Tim Miller's!!

FYI--

The interruption was George Anthony who just stormed into the conference furiously demanding to talk to Mark and then refused Mark's request to wait until after the conference. He is with Mark now.

:scared: Oh my! The antics just never end w/that family, do they?

[bchand]

IIRC I read somewhere that Anthony Lazzaro is interning for the JB law firm.. Does anyone know if he started before or after this case started? Also, for one of our law professionals, wouldn't it be unethical to hire an intern or employee when they are slated to be a witness against your client? I would think that would be a conflict of interest of some kind. :shrug: I would really like to hear a professionals opinion on the matter.

I'm not a legal eagle but I doubt this rumor very much.

[ish]

I think if The Anthony's would have done that, then someone either in their families, neighborhood, or workplace would have called the authorities to look into what happened to Caylee. I don't think Cindy's mother or brother (Rick) would just buy that they adopted Caylee out when she was almost 3 years old. I think if they would have gone this route, they would have been found out eventually and then they all would have been arrested from the getgo.

I do wonder though if Cindy knew the truth before she called 911 if she could have then helped Casey hide Caylee's body better and helped get rid of other evidence such as the car. I think Cindy could also have helped Casey come up w/a better and much more plausible story as to what happened to Caylee and then they could have gone to LE together. Maybe there would have not been enough evidence to arrest Casey and she would be a free women now and LE would still be searching into what happened to Caylee.

IMO, once Cindy realized Caylee was gone/dead, her defense of Casey became geared toward making Casey look more credible so that Cindy doesn't look so gullible and ineffectual as a mother. Cindy knows full well that Casey is responsible for killing Caylee, it won't bother her a bit to see Casey go away for life or get the needle, as long as Cindy can continue to put forth "I'm a good mother, I did everything right" "It's not my fault"

[really3997]

Just got this from a WS poster who is a personal friend of Tim Miller's!!

FYI--

The interruption was George Anthony who just stormed into the conference furiously demanding to talk to Mark and then refused Mark's request to wait until after the conference. He is with Mark now.

color me shocked....NOT

[Katprint]

NeJame said he will hand over documents, disks of information and photos regarding the Texas-based group’s search for Caylee Anthony last year.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/8/20/nejame_miller_reveal_all_in_anthony_case.html
I find myself liking NeJame better and better every time he does anything. That is a quality responsive pleading he wrote (there is a link to it in the news article.) In contrast to most of the pleadings filed by Baez, NeJame's pleadings contain a cite to an appellate case DIRECTLY ON POINT which is always useful when you want the judge to rule in your favor. His arguments are also logical and make perfect sense. I also like his strategy of conceding the portion that the judge is likely to order disclosed anyway (the 32 volunteers who searched in the Anthony neighborhood) while refusing to budge on the bulk of Baez' overbroad request (the thousands of volunteers who searched other areas where Caylee's body was not found, like the wilderness areas near the airport and the check cashing place). What a class act he is!

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Sun]

Originally Posted by sully
Just got this from a WS poster who is a personal friend of Tim Miller's!!

FYI--

The interruption was George Anthony who just stormed into the conference furiously demanding to talk to Mark and then refused Mark's request to wait until after the conference. He is with Mark now.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-082009,0,1115498.story

[sydney]

Just got this from a WS poster who is a personal friend of Tim Miller's!!

FYI--

The interruption was George Anthony who just stormed into the conference furiously demanding to talk to Mark and then refused Mark's request to wait until after the conference. He is with Mark now.

omg - this is too scripted! were they inside? if so, is there no security there? can anyone just bust in?

[sully]

:scared: Oh my! The antics just never end w/that family, do they?

Wonder what BC and the A's will counter with?:confused:

[Jester]

i'm glad he put the onus on kc to pay for the records - they are a non-for-profit corp - in essence, why should they donate their funds (by producing the records at their own cost) to her defense?

I agree ... Casey should pay for paperwork that other people have to do for her defense ... and if we're lucky, this could also reveal the money paper trail.

[bchand]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-082009,0,1115498.story

Typical Anthony Drama -

Casey Anthony's father barges into news conference

[Barbara fl.]

I think if The Anthony's would have done that, then someone either in their families, neighborhood, or workplace would have called the authorities to look into what happened to Caylee. I don't think Cindy's mother or brother (Rick) would just buy that they adopted Caylee out when she was almost 3 years old. I think if they would have gone this route, they would have been found out eventually and then they all would have been arrested from the getgo.

I do wonder though if Cindy knew the truth before she called 911 if she could have then helped Casey hide Caylee's body better and helped get rid of other evidence such as the car. I think Cindy could also have helped Casey come up w/a better and much more plausible story as to what happened to Caylee and then they could have gone to LE together. Maybe there would have not been enough evidence to arrest Casey and she would be a free women now and LE would still be searching into what happened to Caylee.


My honest opinion is that if Cindy had known that Casey murderer Caylee she would never have made that 911 call at all...the family would have gotten together and come up with a plan...they could have easily said that Caylee was sent to live with a relative...doubt that anyone would have become suspicious....It was that 911 call that started the ball rolling....

I believe that there are an awful lot of children that have disappeared like this and the family up and moved to another area after disposing of the body so it wouldn't be found...(which I believe would have happened here)....

Immediate family member or friends would be the only ones to become suspicious...but in this case, they were never all together, so it would have been easy for Casey to say Caylee is with Cindy and Cindy to say Caylee is with Casey...etc., etc., I don't think anyone would have gotten suspicious at all...this family didn't have a large amount of friends and family...jmo

[ish]

Ah, the drama! Thanks sully for this info!

Small though he is, I bet Nejame kicks George's azz. But he better run if Cindy is nearby!!

[desmom]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-082009,0,1115498.story

Aerial photos released by Mark Nejame
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-photos-casey-anthony-082009,0,4109413.photogallery

[anon-o-miss]

Wait! I just read that Baez is going to press for ALL of Lazarro's phone records because he is not co-operating!!! So, wouldn't that put a damper on his work environment? I don't think he is wirking for Baez... JMO
I'm not sure I think I read it in one of the recent doc dumps, but I couldn't find it. I could be wrong but I could've swore I read something about it.:confused:

[Katprint]

Zani has such a great heart and all - and she NEVER once charged the OC for her services[/B]! SSSSWWEEEEEEEEEEET!!!!<respectfully snipped>

You need to expand your mind and become able to hold multiple conflicting ideas in your head at the same time, like the Anthonys apparently do. Make room for:

1) Z-A-N-Y (remember - George spelled out the name at his deposition http://marinadedave.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/george-deposition2.pdf on page 19 line 21) babysat Caylee for free while Casey was at work.

2) Z-A-N-Y charged Casey $400 per week to babysit Caylee while Casey was at work.

3) Casey did not work and thus neither needed nor could afford a babysitter/nanny.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Scampi]

Oh boy, seems there is drama going on behind the scenes with Nejame and the anthonys. :thumbsup: I love it.

george better get control of himself, I don't think Nejame plays.

Can you imagine cindy's demeanor!!! :lol:

[Sun]

omg - this is too scripted! were they inside? if so, is there no security there? can anyone just bust in?

darn, I wasn't paying close attention to the video towards the end. I believe that I heard someone shouting (HLN, NG, CNN or something like that) ....I'm unclear on who was doing this shouting, but they were interrupting NeJame/TM as they were discussing answering questions from the media. At that point, NeJame left the podium area, and the video at the conference ended ...clearly an interruption of an unwelcome nature.

[desmom]

http://www.wesh.com/news/20478568/detail.html

Miller's attorney, Mark NeJame, held a press conference on Friday afternoon regarding the photos.

:confused: My calendar says Thursday. Is today Friday in Florida?

[enigma™]

Is it definite the murderess will be in court tomorrow? I have so been missing the jingle-jangle of her shackles. Someone please give me a reason to wake up on my day off! MUO & TIA

[happy2bme]

Typical Anthony Drama -

Casey Anthony's father barges into news conference

It never ends!! These people just don't get it. Enough is enough.

Long time no see everyone:smile:

[margaritaville]

Just got this from a WS poster who is a personal friend of Tim Miller's!!

FYI--

The interruption was George Anthony who just stormed into the conference furiously demanding to talk to Mark and then refused Mark's request to wait until after the conference. He is with Mark now.


Wow.....Wonder what pizzed him off today? did GA know that Mark was now Tim's lawyer??? Or did he just find that out???

[desmom]

Sun - have you been able to connect to it? I haven't.

I can't get it to work either. I even cleaned out my cookies. :cursing:

[Sun]

Aerial photos released by Mark Nejame
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-photos-casey-anthony-082009,0,4109413.photogallery

Thanks desmom for the link. That woods looks quite a bit thicker when looking at it from above. No 4-wheeler could have been put into that woods (no visual trails from the air at least).

I still recall a neighbor that liked just across the road and down a bit from the site, who indicated that just a week or two before Caylee's remains were found on Dec 11th, that there was still standing water in that area.

[Scampi]

I'm not sure I think I read it in one of the recent doc dumps, but I couldn't find it. I could be wrong but I could've swore I read something about it.:confused:

Anthony Lazzaro is not working at the Baez law firm in any capacity.:smile:

[bchand]

I can't get it to work either. I even cleaned out my cookies. :cursing:

Hopefully, once George leaves the building, they'll repost the video.

[Scampi]

Wow.....Wonder what pizzed him off today? did GA know that Mark was now Tim's lawyer??? Or did he just find that out???

I think Nejame's comments about what the photos and aerial video show, contrary to what the defense want the public and or jury to believe, may have set him off. Par for the course, he charges in there for a confrontation. Nejame should have called the cops on him.:thumbdown:

[desmom]

I find myself liking NeJame better and better every time he does anything. That is a quality responsive pleading he wrote (there is a link to it in the news article.) In contrast to most of the pleadings filed by Baez, NeJame's pleadings contain a cite to an appellate case DIRECTLY ON POINT which is always useful when you want the judge to rule in your favor. His arguments are also logical and make perfect sense. I also like his strategy of conceding the portion that the judge is likely to order disclosed anyway (the 32 volunteers who searched in the Anthony neighborhood) while refusing to budge on the bulk of Baez' overbroad request (the thousands of volunteers who searched other areas where Caylee's body was not found, like the wilderness areas near the airport and the check cashing place). What a class act he is!

Katprint
Always only my own opinions


Thanks Katprint!

This motion is very similar to the one JB filed in January that Judge Strickland denied http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Amended%20Application%20for%20Subpoena%20Duces%20T ecum.pdf

Is it odd for the defense to file a 2nd motion similar to the lst? TIA

[SilentTears]

The interruption was George Anthony who just stormed into the conference furiously demanding to talk to Mark and then refused Mark's request to wait until after the conference. He is with Mark now.

Hi - my first post - be kind...:unsure:

Wasn't NeJames working with the Anthonys at one point? Maybe they thought that he would never say or do anything to make them look bad? This conference to me is Mark stating to the A's that he is not on their side and they can't tell him what to do.

Or maybe I am way off...

Thanks to all you good posters! I love reading what you have to say.

[Sun]

Hopefully, once George leaves the building, they'll repost the video.

Let me know if you find a link. If that was skyped, then the link won't be the same as the last one, I belive.

[ish]

Oh boy, seems there is drama going on behind the scenes with Nejame and the anthonys. :thumbsup: I love it.

george better get control of himself, I don't think Nejame plays.

Can you imagine cindy's demeanor!!! :lol:

I think it's part of the plan...George gets arrested and then won't Casey be surprised when her new cellmate walks in "Hey Beautiful":thumbsup:

In reality I think G&C are scared Nejame may spill some of what he knows from being their attorney to the "other" side. George is doing his best to intimidate Nejame. I guess Cindy has been playing with his meds, George has been very subdued lately, Cindy probably thinks it's time he perked up and did something. After all there is a hearing tomorrow and whenever there's a hearing or doc dump the A's try to get some press right before.

[sydney]

i bet cindy is the one who put the twist in his panties.

"your turn george - let everyone know that nejame is a liar and that what he says is fiction. i did it last time."

[crimeq]

one of our other wise posters (maybe it was you, sun) said that le should confront kc with the names of all these "imaginary" friends and ask her what happened to them - did she have something to do with the fact that they are missing now - did she KILL them.

i thought that was a hoot!

I remember that, I thought it was a hoot too -- and the list of missing persons was SO long! I laughed a lot over that post.

[sydney]

Maybe they thought that he would never say or do anything to make them look bad?

welcome, welcome, welcome. how can what nejame says make them look bad? oh, that's right - he's telling the TRUTH. that's all he's doing, telling the TRUTH.

something to which the anthonys are a stranger.

[sully]

Hi - my first post - be kind...:unsure:

Wasn't NeJames working with the Anthonys at one point? Maybe they thought that he would never say or do anything to make them look bad? This conference to me is Mark stating to the A's that he is not on their side and they can't tell him what to do.

Or maybe I am way off...

Thanks to all you good posters! I love reading what you have to say.

Welcome!! You're right - MN was their lawyer when George had to go the Grand Jury!! MN quit (IMO) when he found out what they all about! The A's only care about the murderer-not about the victim!!

[Sun]

I find myself liking NeJame better and better every time he does anything. That is a quality responsive pleading he wrote (there is a link to it in the news article.) In contrast to most of the pleadings filed by Baez, NeJame's pleadings contain a cite to an appellate case DIRECTLY ON POINT which is always useful when you want the judge to rule in your favor. His arguments are also logical and make perfect sense. I also like his strategy of conceding the portion that the judge is likely to order disclosed anyway (the 32 volunteers who searched in the Anthony neighborhood) while refusing to budge on the bulk of Baez' overbroad request (the thousands of volunteers who searched other areas where Caylee's body was not found, like the wilderness areas near the airport and the check cashing place). What a class act he is!

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

He sure does make it quite easy for the Judge. And, his response makes complete sense to me. (I know nothing about the law). It sounds very fair, and shows that they would like to cooperate to the extent that is reasonable. ....what they offer may indeed end up more helpful to the State than it will be to the defense.

[desmom]

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/20478659/index.html explains the photos released today by NeJame.

photo link http://www.clickorlando.com/slideshow/news/20478054/detail.html

[sydney]

In reality I think G&C are scared Nejame may spill some of what he knows from being their attorney to the "other" side. George is doing his best to intimidate Nejame.

hey ish! first of all, i'm purty sure what was discussed while was on "their" side is protected by attorney-client confidentiality. that doesn't go away once you stop representing that person. (kat, lapis?)

and, what could he really *know*? all he was told is what the a's wanted him to hear and that was most certainly not an admission that kc murdered caylee.