8/17/09 to 8/19

[breezie]

We have a hearing to look forward to on Friday, Aug 21!

Carry on!

[martha]

Thank you for opening this. I was wondering what was wrong this morning. good morning to you. I sure hope everyone has a very good day. I just can;t believe c and g or staying of the tv and news. wonder why they or not talking now. It sure is strange for c not to be talking. She wants to keep telling that casey did not hurt CAYLEE and she is a great mother so I just don;t know why she is not still talking.I will be in and out reading all the post today. Wish we could get some news how things or going. Jmhp:wub:

[Bala]

This hearing will be very important in the judge is going to rule if the fraud case can go forward.

[breezie]

This hearing will be very important in the judge is going to rule if the fraud case can go forward.

I am looking forward to hearing the arguments. I hope Lyons does them. So tired of the uhs and ya knows from Baez. Man sure didn't pass public speaking or *thinking on your feet* classes in law school.

[Sun]

This hearing will be very important in the judge is going to rule if the fraud case can go forward.

Here are some links that pertain the the Criminal check/fraud trial.

DELAY TRIAL: Casey's Reponse
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20090130/detail.html

DELAY TRIAL: Exhibits
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20090214/detail.html

DELAY TRIAL: Memorandum
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20090011/detail.html

[crimeq]

Mornin' everybody! I was just catching up on the last few pages of last night's thread and saw reference to the grave wax and drywall. I swear I never heard the drywall bit before! Do we know where in the Ant's house the drywall was removed, what room?

YIKES! :scared:

[snap4]

Mornin' everybody! I was just catching up on the last few pages of last night's thread and saw reference to the grave wax and drywall. I swear I never heard the drywall bit before! Do we know where in the Ant's house the drywall was removed, what room?

YIKES! :scared:

I was shocked too. How did so many of us miss this? I want to know more too!

[Bala]

If more time is needed than let the defense have the delay the murder trial longer why should Amy suffer because Casey killed her daughter. Why should Casey's rights circumvent Amy's rights to a speedy trial. She's already waited over a year. Baez only real reason for not wanted to go forward is they don't want a conviction on Casey's record when she goes to trial for murder.

[Bala]

I was shocked too. How did so many of us miss this? I want to know more too!
Hear is what I'm thinking. This is kind of gross but here goes. Remember back a while we were talking about the A's getting a new washer well I couldn't figure out why they would need to replace the washer so I went surfing the net and this is what I found. When the brain decomposes it drys and it becomes harden and must be scrapped off to remove any traces. If Casey's cloths have brain matter on them when Cindy cleaned them the brain matter may have harden and the A's needed to get rid of the washer which would explain buying a new one when they were so far behind on mortgage and credit card debt already. If Cindy accidentally got it on the wall the A's might not have notice and the LE crime lab found it.

JMO

[snap4]

Hear is what I'm thinking. This is kind of gross but here goes. Remember back a while we were talking about the A's getting a new washer well I couldn't figure out why they would need to replace the washer so I went surfing the net and this is what I found. When the brain decomposes it drys and it becomes harden and must be scrapped off to remove any traces. If Casey's cloths have brain matter on them when Cindy cleaned them the brain matter may have harden and the A's needed to get rid of the washer which would explain buying a new one when they were so far behind on mortgage and credit card debt already. If Cindy accidentally got it on the wall the A's might not have notice and the LE crime lab found it.

JMO

So, the drywall was removed from the garage? Is that also where the washer is located?
thanks for the info

[Bala]

So, the drywall was removed from the garage? Is that also where the washer is located?
thanks for the info
I really don't know where the drywall was removed from this is the first I've heard of it. I'm just saying this is what came to mind when I heard about it.

[crimeq]

So, the drywall was removed from the garage? Is that also where the washer is located?
thanks for the info

I wondered if it may have been removed from the garage. We know Casey backed the car into the garage numerous times and I suspect she was handling Caylee's decomposing body :sad:; it's possible that matter got transferred to the wall somehow.

[Sun]

I really don't know where the drywall was removed from this is the first I've heard of it. I'm just saying this is what came to mind when I heard about it.

It was removed during one of the two searches of the Anthony home in Dec 2008. I want to say that it was reported to have come from the garage ...not much was ever said in regards to it though. My memory is shaky going this far back.

[martha]

If more time is needed than let the defense have the delay the murder trial longer why should Amy suffer because Casey killed her daughter. Why should Casey's rights circumvent Amy's rights to a speedy trial. She's already waited over a year. Baez only real reason for not wanted to go forward is they don't want a conviction on Casey's record when she goes to trial for murder.
ITA with you Amy has rights too. Why does casey always get what she wants. I wish everyone she stole from was in on this. I know cindys and george or sayiing she never stole from them but we know better. cindy told that in her 911 call. I still don;t hear anyone saying that cindy is going to see her mom and dad. Even tho I want to watch the murder trial but as long as casey is in jail and has to stay there they can put it of and go ahead and have this trial with amy. jmho

[Ellie]

The only thing is, Dr. G stated there was no obvious trauma to Caylee's skelaton, so it wouldn't be brain matter, etc. My guess is yes, as someone else alluded to, Casey probably set Caylee against a wall in the garage or something and fluids, uh, got on the wall. Oh my God. I can't even think this. Every time I think about Caylee and what happened to her I hope in my heart that Casey has terrifying nightmares until the day she dies, and then the dude below comes and gets her to face more in he*&.

[JadedPoet]

The only thing is, Dr. G stated there was no obvious trauma to Caylee's skelaton, so it wouldn't be brain matter, etc. My guess is yes, as someone else alluded to, Casey probably set Caylee against a wall in the garage or something and fluids, uh, got on the wall. Oh my God. I can't even think this. Every time I think about Caylee and what happened to her I hope in my heart that Casey has terrifying nightmares until the day she dies, and then the dude below comes and gets her to face more in he*&.

Nah, she probably thinks she can talk her way out of that, too. :tonguewag:

[Sun]

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20090130/detail.html

Lyon is saying that a COV would be necessary for Casey to get a fair and impartial jury on the Criminal check/fraud charges, due to the media storm.

Seems to me that the focus of the media has been on Caylee or Justice for Caylee. Not much has been covered by the media in regards to the criminal check/fraud case issues (a few videos, but I expect that those would be shown to the jury anyway). Of course the media has published the document showing that a payment was delivered to the bank in the amount of their damages, from the Baez Law Firm.

If the defense puts out info that would hinder Casey's right to a fair trial (such as paying for the damages in full), how can they make a complaint to a Judge about Casey not being able to get a fair trial? Lyon is talking around in circles.... I'm not accustomed to her style yet. The Sunshine Law and docs released due to it, should not prevent anyone from sitting a jury.

[Sun]

Does anyone know how many jury members would be needed for the criminal check/fraud case?

[happygert]

Bringing this over from last thread. Any Thoughts on how to do this?

There's no reason why to murder Caylee..Anyone would have taken Caylee loved her,
gave her a good home and PROTECTED her with their own LIFE .. I know I would have.. IMO not ONE in this whole damn family gave 2 shakes less about her.. Now they are using her for their gravy train.. NOT george nor cindy has worked one day in over13 months.. At casey's bond hearing they were behind in bills.. Now cc debt down to less then 2,000 from $58,000. and all bills are paid and they added extra ones to boot..Too bad they didn't love her like they do the all mighty dollar..
I'll bet they are thanking casey look at all the money rolling in.. all TAX FREE.... These sicko whack jobs will live the rest of their lives off of their dead granddaughter they will never work another day in their lives as long as they can sell off piece by piece of Caylee..

I say we need to all get together to try and pass a law that NO ONE can profit off of a MURDERED CHILD.. Stop these psychopaths.. Dang wish I was smart enough to figure out how to do this.. But Im sure there's plenty on this board who knows how to get it started.. SO we can PASS CAYLEE'S LAW.. Its a given that the grandparents sure dont want a law passed where NO ONE can PROFIT off of a MURDERED child..NO one CAN sell pictures, book, movie rights, videos or interviews. or make worthless bears,tee shirts,wrist bands jewelry or toys of any kind.. period! All foundations must have a court appointed attorney to over see what the funds are spent on..and NO ONE can use them for their own personal expenses.. and THEY must have a legitimate office, people with back grounds that are NOT FELONS!.. NO FELONS should EVER have any thing to do with a MISSING CHILD foundation.. PERIOD!..IMO this will put a stop to a lot of the scammers providing the ATTORNEYS are NOT like the ATTORNEY the A's HAVE.. He's a LAIR too.. just like the a's.. The family member should not be allowed near the funds.. period!

and if anyone is caught using fund from a foundation of a missing child not for the purpose of helping find a missing child there should be a automatic prison term set for those who miss use those funds.. like a minimum of 20 years.. also same prison term if its a scam

[happygert]

Does anyone know how many jury members would be needed for the criminal check/fraud case?

Not sure sun but I think it's 6 in Fla..

[Sun]

Not sure sun but I think it's 6 in Fla..

The number 6 comes to my mind too, maybe from an earlier discussion. How difficult could it be to find 6 impartial jurists in Orange County for a criminal check/fraud case?

[Affa]

Mornin' everybody! I was just catching up on the last few pages of last night's thread and saw reference to the grave wax and drywall. I swear I never heard the drywall bit before! Do we know where in the Ant's house the drywall was removed, what room?

YIKES! :scared:

Here is a quote from Mrs. Hudson last night.



see post 142 in the link below, that's where I read about the drywall.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5600.msg888551

Well even if there's no DNA in grave wax....well how many people have THAT in their car? Casey is toast!
__________________

[breezie]

The number 6 comes to my mind too, maybe from an earlier discussion. How difficult could it be to find 6 impartial jurists in Orange County for a criminal check/fraud case?

that won't laugh at Jose? Very difficult. To follow the law and the evidence...not hardly.

[happygert]

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20090130/detail.html

Lyon is saying that a COV would be necessary for Casey to get a fair and impartial jury on the Criminal check/fraud charges, due to the media storm.

Seems to me that the focus of the media has been on Caylee or Justice for Caylee. Not much has been covered by the media in regards to the criminal check/fraud case issues (a few videos, but I expect that those would be shown to the jury anyway). Of course the media has published the document showing that a payment was delivered to the bank in the amount of their damages, from the Baez Law Firm.

If the defense puts out info that would hinder Casey's right to a fair trial (such as paying for the damages in full), how can they make a complaint to a Judge about Casey not being able to get a fair trial? Lyon is talking around in circles.... I'm not accustomed to her style yet. The Sunshine Law and docs released due to it, should not prevent anyone from sitting a jury.

The cov for a check charge is totally laughable.. Never heard such crap.
These charges are not a DP case.. does AL think with all the evidence they have in these check fraud charges that the out come will be any different in any other county?

I can hear the argument now of why the case should be delayed. Your honor this is a victimless crime.
Your honor BOA has been made whole.. No loss there. Amy has been made whole..No loss there.. As a matter of fact your Honor this case needs to be dismissed.. Everyone got there money back no harm no foul..Your Honor did you read our motion for dismissal? We move to have this case thrown out..Oh that didnt work ..Ok your honor were asking for a COV because she cant get a fair trial because the State has videos of casey cashing these checks, they have casey's signature on Amy's checks .. therefore your honor the State has too much evidence against casey to get a fair trial..A COV is imperative to make sure out clients rights are protected.........

Surely the Judge will laugh AL and jb right out of the court room when they start the COV crap about the check charges..I have never heard of anyone getting a cov for a check charge has anyone else?

[Sun]

that won't laugh at Jose? Very difficult. To follow the law and the evidence...not hardly.

Laugh at Jose? No problem... Lyon won't be letting him near a jury. I expect that Lyon would have Casey change her plea to Guilty on the criminal check/fraud charges, if Judge Strickland orders the criminal check/fraud trial to happen soon. She couldn't risk putting Casey on the stand, and the evidence against Casey is highly incriminating.

I just have a feeling that Judge Strickland will delay setting a date for the Criminal Check/Fraud case. I hope that my feeling is wrong.

[happygert]

Laugh at Jose? No problem... Lyon won't be letting him near a jury. I expect that Lyon would have Casey change her plea to Guilty on the criminal check/fraud charges, if Judge Strickland orders the criminal check/fraud trial to happen soon. She couldn't risk putting Casey on the stand, and the evidence against Casey is highly incriminating.

I just have a feeling that Judge Strickland will delay setting a date for the Criminal Check/Fraud case. I hope that my feeling is wrong.

I hope your wrong to.. But i have same feeling.. which really bites..

[Katprint]

The cov for a check charge is totally laughable.. Never heard such crap.

<respectfully snipped>

Surely the Judge will laugh AL and jb right out of the court room when they start the COV crap about the check charges..I have never heard of anyone getting a cov for a check charge has anyone else?
I agree with the defense team that there has been a media frenzy about the Casey Anthony murder prosecution, but 1) the frenzy was not about the check fraud case and 2) not everyone pays close attention to "the media" anyway.

There are just over 2 million people in the greater Orlando metropolitan area. I suspect that the vast majority of them don't know the name "Casey Anthony" nor would they recognize her by sight. They might have some faint recall if someone prompted them along the lines of "Do you remember that mom whose daughter was supposedly kidnapped but she didn't report it for over a month?"

IMO, all that is really necessary for Casey to get a fair trial on the check fraud charges is for the normal jury voir dire to be done to eliminate biased people like us who already know about Casey and her depraved character. There are people who don't follow crime stories, read newspapers or even watch news on TV; my super sports fan brother-in-law comes to mind as a perfect example. Then, the judge should order the attorneys that they must not to refer to the murder case and they must also warn their witnesses not to refer to the murder case. Voila! An untainted jury.

Katprint
Who wants all criminal defendants to receive fair trials
Always only my own opinions

[Sun]

I hope your wrong to.. But i have same feeling.. which really bites..

I'm just wondering if the Criminal check/fraud case is moved behind the Murder case, then will any of this behavior of Casey's be allowed to be heard by the Jury? Is it possible for both the murder and check/fraud cases to be heard during the same trial? I know so little about legal matters.

[Sun]

I agree with the defense team that there has been a media frenzy about the Casey Anthony murder prosecution, but 1) the frenzy was not about the check fraud case and 2) not everyone pays close attention to "the media" anyway.

There are just over 2 million people in the greater Orlando metropolitan area. I suspect that the vast majority of them don't know the name "Casey Anthony" nor would they recognize her by sight. They might have some faint recall if someone prompted them along the lines of "Do you remember that mom whose daughter was supposedly kidnapped but she didn't report it for over a month?"

IMO, all that is really necessary for Casey to get a fair trial on the check fraud charges is for the normal jury voir dire to be done to eliminate biased people like us who already know about Casey and her depraved character. There are people who don't follow crime stories, read newspapers or even watch news on TV; my super sports fan brother-in-law comes to mind as a perfect example. Then, the judge should order the attorneys that they must not to refer to the murder case and they must also warn their witnesses not to refer to the murder case. Voila! An untainted jury.

Katprint
Who wants all criminal defendants to receive fair trials
Always only my own opinions

I like the way you think! It is easy to separate the criminal check/fraud charges from the murder case (but maybe not so easy vice-versa if the murder case is heard first).

[martha]

Oh my Happygert post 22 that is the best post I have seen in a long time and I so agree with you no one should profit of a child death. The an's or going to get rich of of little CAYLEE and not work another day all their lives. It is so sad. caseey may not be seeing her mom and dad because they or not saving some of that money for her how very sick. I wish I knew how to get the law started for CAYLEE so no one could ever do what the a;;s or doing now. I just get so mad when I see them and know how they or living now. I don;t know of anyone that could just not work because of something like this. They or not helping anyone find a child and I don;t see them helping anyone. It is awful that they can just set up a foundation and live of it for the rest of their lives. They have no shame at all and we can see why casey does not have any shame eather. the whole bunch of a;s or cold and with out a heart.jmho

[happygert]

I agree with the defense team that there has been a media frenzy about the Casey Anthony murder prosecution, but 1) the frenzy was not about the check fraud case and 2) not everyone pays close attention to "the media" anyway.

There are just over 2 million people in the greater Orlando metropolitan area. I suspect that the vast majority of them don't know the name "Casey Anthony" nor would they recognize her by sight. They might have some faint recall if someone prompted them along the lines of "Do you remember that mom whose daughter was supposedly kidnapped but she didn't report it for over a month?"

IMO, all that is really necessary for Casey to get a fair trial on the check fraud charges is for the normal jury voir dire to be done to eliminate biased people like us who already know about Casey and her depraved character. There are people who don't follow crime stories, read newspapers or even watch news on TV; my super sports fan brother-in-law comes to mind as a perfect example. Then, the judge should order the attorneys that they must not to refer to the murder case and they must also warn their witnesses not to refer to the murder case. Voila! An untainted jury.

Katprint
Who wants all criminal defendants to receive fair trials
Always only my own opinions

I agree .. Have you ever heard of a COV for check charges? IMO this is just another delay tactic.. Not sure why an attorney hired to take care of a DP case has anything to do with the check charge case.. seems a little overboard to me..

[happygert]

Oh my Happygert post 22 that is the best post I have seen in a long time and I so agree with you no one should profit of a child death. The an's or going to get rich of of little CAYLEE and not work another day all their lives. It is so sad. caseey may not be seeing her mom and dad because they or not saving some of that money for her how very sick. I wish I knew how to get the law started for CAYLEE so no one could ever do what the a;;s or doing now. I just get so mad when I see them and know how they or living now. I don;t know of anyone that could just not work because of something like this. They or not helping anyone find a child and I don;t see them helping anyone. It is awful that they can just set up a foundation and live of it for the rest of their lives. They have no shame at all and we can see why casey does not have any shame eather. the whole bunch of a;s or cold and with out a heart.jmho

Yes my Dear Martha, this family is one sick bunch.. Cold hearted indeed.. what makes anyone think these people will ever search for a "Missing Child" they never even searched for their own granddaughter.. well of course other then their own back yard..
I think there should be a law passed so it stops these scammers in their tracks..

[need2no]

Like most here I've never heard anything about drywall being removed from the Anthony home. However, the 1st thing that came to mind when I read Mrs. Hudson's link from last night was the picture of casey's bedroom. I recall many of us were curious and puzzled about the wall behind her bed. It appeared a different color paint had been haphazardly added to perhaps cover a stain or damage to this wall. Many of us speculated as to what could have happened to that wall. Could it be this portion of the drywall was in fact removed by LE and either LE, or the A's replaced the missing drywall and put some primer on it with plans to try and match the existing paint in her room. Maybe they had not had a chance to finish this project before pics were taken. :ohmy:

Here is the pic and a closeup of what I'm talking about:

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/CAYLEE%20ANTHONY%20CASE/anthony-caseysbedroomwithwalldam-1.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/CAYLEE%20ANTHONY%20CASE/anthony-caseysbedroomwithwalldamage.jpg

[Bala]

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20090130/detail.html

Lyon is saying that a COV would be necessary for Casey to get a fair and impartial jury on the Criminal check/fraud charges, due to the media storm.

Seems to me that the focus of the media has been on Caylee or Justice for Caylee. Not much has been covered by the media in regards to the criminal check/fraud case issues (a few videos, but I expect that those would be shown to the jury anyway). Of course the media has published the document showing that a payment was delivered to the bank in the amount of their damages, from the Baez Law Firm.

If the defense puts out info that would hinder Casey's right to a fair trial (such as paying for the damages in full), how can they make a complaint to a Judge about Casey not being able to get a fair trial? Lyon is talking around in circles.... I'm not accustomed to her style yet. The Sunshine Law and docs released due to it, should not prevent anyone from sitting a jury.
That's Lyon's way of threatening the judge plain and simple. COV my butt. They no that they can't win this case so it's just more delay delay delay. If I was Amy and Strickland put off this case indefinitely I would file a civil suite against the City of Orlando the State of Florida and Casey for defamation of character and being stripped of her right to clear her name in a timely fashion. By pleading innocent Casey is calling Amy a liar and a fraud. Because if she gave Casey permission to write the cheques then she defrauded BOA out of the reimbursement money.

[happygert]

That's Lyon's way of threatening the judge plain and simple. COV my butt. They no that they can't win this case so it's just more delay delay delay. If I was Amy and Strickland put off this case indefinitely I would file a civil suite against the City of Orlando the State of Florida and Casey for defamation of character and being stripped of her right to clear her name in a timely fashion. By pleading innocent Casey is calling Amy a liar and a fraud. Because if she gave Casey permission to write the cheques then she defrauded BOA out of the reimbursement money.

Yes I agree.. This check case should have aleady been tried..

[Julie Dupree]

Bringing this over from last thread. Any Thoughts on how to do this?

There's no reason why to murder Caylee..Anyone would have taken Caylee loved her,
gave her a good home and PROTECTED her with their own LIFE .. I know I would have.. IMO not ONE in this whole damn family gave 2 shakes less about her.. Now they are using her for their gravy train.. NOT george nor cindy has worked one day in over13 months.. At casey's bond hearing they were behind in bills.. Now cc debt down to less then 2,000 from $58,000. and all bills are paid and they added extra ones to boot..Too bad they didn't love her like they do the all mighty dollar..
I'll bet they are thanking casey look at all the money rolling in.. all TAX FREE.... These sicko whack jobs will live the rest of their lives off of their dead granddaughter they will never work another day in their lives as long as they can sell off piece by piece of Caylee..

I say we need to all get together to try and pass a law that NO ONE can profit off of a MURDERED CHILD.. Stop these psychopaths.. Dang wish I was smart enough to figure out how to do this.. But Im sure there's plenty on this board who knows how to get it started.. SO we can PASS CAYLEE'S LAW.. Its a given that the grandparents sure dont want a law passed where NO ONE can PROFIT off of a MURDERED child..NO one CAN sell pictures, book, movie rights, videos or interviews. or make worthless bears,tee shirts,wrist bands jewelry or toys of any kind.. period! All foundations must have a court appointed attorney to over see what the funds are spent on..and NO ONE can use them for their own personal expenses.. and THEY must have a legitimate office, people with back grounds that are NOT FELONS!.. NO FELONS should EVER have any thing to do with a MISSING CHILD foundation.. PERIOD!..IMO this will put a stop to a lot of the scammers providing the ATTORNEYS are NOT like the ATTORNEY the A's HAVE.. He's a LAIR too.. just like the a's.. The family member should not be allowed near the funds.. period!

and if anyone is caught using fund from a foundation of a missing child not for the purpose of helping find a missing child there should be a automatic prison term set for those who miss use those funds.. like a minimum of 20 years.. also same prison term if its a scam

As I told you this mornning....Gert that is one of your best post!!! YOU GO GIRL!!!
Ohhh how I wish such a thing would be possible. I think that would be one of the best laws we would have on the books.
Lets keep our fingers crossed that some day it will happen.
It is sad that such a law even needs our attention. Why do people like the Anthony's even make it necessary to consider?
Have a good day Gert, and thanks.

[Julie Dupree]

I agree with the defense team that there has been a media frenzy about the Casey Anthony murder prosecution, but 1) the frenzy was not about the check fraud case and 2) not everyone pays close attention to "the media" anyway.

There are just over 2 million people in the greater Orlando metropolitan area. I suspect that the vast majority of them don't know the name "Casey Anthony" nor would they recognize her by sight. They might have some faint recall if someone prompted them along the lines of "Do you remember that mom whose daughter was supposedly kidnapped but she didn't report it for over a month?"

IMO, all that is really necessary for Casey to get a fair trial on the check fraud charges is for the normal jury voir dire to be done to eliminate biased people like us who already know about Casey and her depraved character. There are people who don't follow crime stories, read newspapers or even watch news on TV; my super sports fan brother-in-law comes to mind as a perfect example. Then, the judge should order the attorneys that they must not to refer to the murder case and they must also warn their witnesses not to refer to the murder case. Voila! An untainted jury.

Katprint
Who wants all criminal defendants to receive fair trials
Always only my own opinions

I know what you are saying KP...if it airs on ESPN a lot of people would know all about Casey.:)...my son-in-law would be able to tell you all the stats!!!

[Deannalynn]

Surely the Judge will laugh AL and jb right out of the court room when they start the COV crap about the check charges..I have never heard of anyone getting a cov for a check charge has anyone else?

Hi gert...
I highly doubt they really need to have a COV on this. Most of all the people and Casey's "peers" if anything remember or know about this murder case. I don't think the public is wasting their time looking up this check fraud issue and running around trying to get as much information on the checks she stole from Amy.
I think she'd get a fair trial. In fact, that trial would be so quick in my opinion.:rolleyes:

[happygert]

Hi gert...
I highly doubt they really need to have a COV on this. Most of all the people and Casey's "peers" if anything remember or know about this murder case. I don't think the public is wasting their time looking up this check fraud issue and running around trying to get as much information on the checks she stole from Amy.
I think she'd get a fair trial. In fact, that trial would be so quick in my opinion.:rolleyes:

I doubt it to..yep she just as fair trial there as she would any where else..

[Julie Dupree]

This was on another thread...but it was to good pass up..:) enjoy.

Things that anger the Ants.

1) The TRUTH
2) Crosses (hey, garlic and wooden stakes anyone?)
3) Dirty cars
4) Logic
5) Press they can't control
6) People who don't know their granddaughter but care about her (and justice for her murder.)
7) Sleeves
8) Dry Mouth
9) Closed toe shoes
10) The word "Remains" and "Punk" (if referring to Casey)
11) Microphones
12) Dog water bowls
13) Big signs about dogs
14) Smokey smelling stuffed animals
15) Authority
16) Working
17) Bloggers
18) TES
19) Orlando Police
20) Squirrels
21) Cadaver dogs
22) The Grunds
23) Per Kiomarie: Hispanics
24) MURT
25) Lowest, Dakota's GM
26) Cars following them
27) Uncle Lenny
28) Orange County S.O. investigators
29) Kevin Beary (CA still awaiting his apology)
30) Eyebrow tweezers
31) Pizza delivery guys
32) Forensic science
33) Low water pressure
34) Nancy Grace
35) The REAL Zenaida Gonzalez
36) Morgan
37) The memorial SHRINE
38) Not having the last word
39) Jail survelance cameras
40) Rick
41) Bozo
42) K. Belich
43) The “Nanny”
44) Gas Cans
45) Heart Stickers
46) Duck Tape
47) Larry Garrison
48) S. Krause
49) Nejames for abandoning them!
50) Lack of gum
51) T. Miller
52) R. Kronk
53) Jail food
54) Maggots
55) Polygraphs
56) Bounty Hunters
57) Crime Scene Tape
58) Fox News trucks across the street 24/7
59) Search warrants
60) Doorbells (ding dong LE calling)
61) Tony Lazzaro (for wearing a wire)
62) Winnie the Pooh
63) Dora the Explorer
64) Thieves who steal gas cans and return them empty
65) That pesky bamboo in the back yard
66) The stench of human decomposition
67) White sunglasses
68) Having to wear those "Find Caylee" t-shirts when they already knew Caylee was gone
69) Registered letters
70) Garbage pickers (Trash Lady Lorraine)
71) The neighbor with the shovel
72) Eavesdropping neighbors
73) Amscott
74) Towing companies
75) Universal Studios HR dept
76) SIM cards
77) Stepping on George's grass/ruts in his yard
78) Leaving Cindy's house a mess after executing a search warrant
79) Public memorial services
80) Depositions
81) Subpoenas
82) The protesting granny that asked CA about her 911 quote.“It smells like there’s been a dead body in the d@mn car.”
83) Michael Jackson
84) The Orlando Sentinel (since they asked for release of autopsy and video of KCHorror's reaction to the news of a body found)
85) The Florida Sunshine law that makes all this possible!
86) Questions about Caylee`s father
87) Party pictures
88) Bands on trailers going past their house.
89) Their Homeowners' Association
90) Paternity Tests

[Scampi]

Like most here I've never heard anything about drywall being removed from the Anthony home. However, the 1st thing that came to mind when I read Mrs. Hudson's link from last night was the picture of casey's bedroom. I recall many of us were curious and puzzled about the wall behind her bed. It appeared a different color paint had been haphazardly added to perhaps cover a stain or damage to this wall. Many of us speculated as to what could have happened to that wall. Could it be this portion of the drywall was in fact removed by LE and either LE, or the A's replaced the missing drywall and put some primer on it with plans to try and match the existing paint in her room. Maybe they had not had a chance to finish this project before pics were taken. :ohmy:

Here is the pic and a closeup of what I'm talking about:

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/CAYLEE%20ANTHONY%20CASE/anthony-caseysbedroomwithwalldam-1.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/CAYLEE%20ANTHONY%20CASE/anthony-caseysbedroomwithwalldamage.jpg

Thank you for your thoughts and link to this. Isn't it interesting tho, that we saw no search warrant info on this piece of drywall. I do hope it is in evidence against this accused babykiller.

[Sun]

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20090011/detail.html

I am reviewing this document, more closely than I did earlier. It suggests (on page 6) that "miss anthony" contemplates filing an amended motion for COV. ....in other words, Lyon is taking over and re-doing much work that was previously done by Baez. On page 5, it suggests something about that since Lyon was brought on this case "changes in strategy and legal issue" ...hmmm. I wonder what this could be?

Sounds to me that Lyon doesn't like the direction that Baez was heading, and is now going to go back to the start and travel her own path.

[Bala]

Why does she even need a jury trial. Why wouldn't she just have a bench trial after all this is her first offense and according to Baez has already served more time than she would get for a first offensive. If it wasn't for the murder charges they probably would have pleaded this out a long time ago.

[anon-o-miss]

Here is a quote from Mrs. Hudson last night.



see post 142 in the link below, that's where I read about the drywall.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5600.msg888551

Well even if there's no DNA in grave wax....well how many people have THAT in their car? Casey is toast!
__________________


(bolding mine)
Isn't that the truth. Although Cindy did say someone else could have put a body in the car:rolleyes:, I'm sure someone will find that to be a plausible excuse. :lol:

[Katt2]

Like most here I've never heard anything about drywall being removed from the Anthony home. However, the 1st thing that came to mind when I read Mrs. Hudson's link from last night was the picture of casey's bedroom. I recall many of us were curious and puzzled about the wall behind her bed. It appeared a different color paint had been haphazardly added to perhaps cover a stain or damage to this wall. Many of us speculated as to what could have happened to that wall. Could it be this portion of the drywall was in fact removed by LE and either LE, or the A's replaced the missing drywall and put some primer on it with plans to try and match the existing paint in her room. Maybe they had not had a chance to finish this project before pics were taken. :ohmy:

Here is the pic and a closeup of what I'm talking about:

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/CAYLEE%20ANTHONY%20CASE/anthony-caseysbedroomwithwalldam-1.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/CAYLEE%20ANTHONY%20CASE/anthony-caseysbedroomwithwalldamage.jpg

If you enlarge picture #2 it is plain to see that the area behind the bed is a reflection of the mirror against the wall. You can match the outlines with the images in the mirror.

[happygert]

That was good! I can add another one to that list.

Judge Strickland... whoops got one more.. Caylee's daddy

[Bala]

(bolding mine)
Isn't that the truth. Although Cindy did say someone else could have put a body in the car:rolleyes:, I'm sure someone will find that to be a plausible excuse. :lol:

Casey telling Amy about the dead squirrels kind of makes Cindy's theory
a big fat wishful thinking moment.

[need2no]

If you enlarge picture #2 it is plain to see that the area behind the bed is a reflection of the mirror against the wall. You can match the outlines with the images in the mirror.

Are you talking about the rectangular shaped mirror beside the window?

Not saying you are wrong...it's certainly possible, but it doesn't appear to match in my eyes. If the drapes were open and the sun was shining in, I would be more inclined to believe it could be a mere reflection, but they are closed. :shrug:

Of course we haven't read anything in the docs about drywall removal, so maybe there is nothing to it afterall. I guess we will find out eventually.

[summer]

Are you talking about the rectangular shaped mirror beside the window?

Not saying you are wrong...it's certainly possible, but it doesn't appear to match in my eyes. If the drapes were open and the sun was shining in, I would be more inclined to believe it could be a mere reflection, but they are closed. :shrug:

Of course we haven't read anything in the docs about drywall removal, so maybe there is nothing to it afterall. I guess we will find out eventually.

Hi -

I definitely read LE took a chunk of drywall. I don't remember if it was from the garage or the bedroom but there's no question they took it. It must have been in some document unless it was seen as they were working in and out of the house collecting evidence and it was reported by the media. I'd say the drywall incident definitely happened.

[anon-o-miss]

I agree with the defense team that there has been a media frenzy about the Casey Anthony murder prosecution, but 1) the frenzy was not about the check fraud case and 2) not everyone pays close attention to "the media" anyway.

There are just over 2 million people in the greater Orlando metropolitan area. I suspect that the vast majority of them don't know the name "Casey Anthony" nor would they recognize her by sight. They might have some faint recall if someone prompted them along the lines of "Do you remember that mom whose daughter was supposedly kidnapped but she didn't report it for over a month?"

IMO, all that is really necessary for Casey to get a fair trial on the check fraud charges is for the normal jury voir dire to be done to eliminate biased people like us who already know about Casey and her depraved character. There are people who don't follow crime stories, read newspapers or even watch news on TV; my super sports fan brother-in-law comes to mind as a perfect example. Then, the judge should order the attorneys that they must not to refer to the murder case and they must also warn their witnesses not to refer to the murder case. Voila! An untainted jury.

Katprint
Who wants all criminal defendants to receive fair trials
Always only my own opinions
Well said Kat... I just wanted to add that I appreciate hearing your personal views as well as your professional opinion.:thumbup: Many of us offer one or the other but you give us both and trust me it goes a long way.

[need2no]

Hi -

I definitely read LE took a chunk of drywall. I don't remember if it was from the garage or the bedroom but there's no question they took it. It must have been in some document unless it was seen as they were working in and out of the house collecting evidence and it was reported by the media. I'd say the drywall incident definitely happened.

Thanks summer, I must have missed it. Perhaps it was mixed in with other info in the docs that caught our attention so some of us overlooked the removal of drywall part.

With all the junk piled sky high and shoved against the walls in the A's garage, I don't see how casey could have gotten anything on those walls, unless she moved something to get to the hamper, and had 'something' on her hands that touched the wall. I need to go look at a pic of the A's garage.

[Katt2]

Are you talking about the rectangular shaped mirror beside the window?

Not saying you are wrong...it's certainly possible, but it doesn't appear to match in my eyes. If the drapes were open and the sun was shining in, I would be more inclined to believe it could be a mere reflection, but they are closed. :shrug:

Of course we haven't read anything in the docs about drywall removal, so maybe there is nothing to it afterall. I guess we will find out eventually.


Start right at the top with the slanted pictured and follow the outline right down. You can't see that it matches? The curtains are closed but there is also light coming through them.

[Julie Dupree]

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20090011/detail.html

I am reviewing this document, more closely than I did earlier. It suggests (on page 6) that "miss anthony" contemplates filing an amended motion for COV. ....in other words, Lyon is taking over and re-doing much work that was previously done by Baez. On page 5, it suggests something about that since Lyon was brought on this case "changes in strategy and legal issue" ...hmmm. I wonder what this could be?

Sounds to me that Lyon doesn't like the direction that Baez was heading, and is now going to go back to the start and travel her own path.

I wonder if JB is embarrassed by this at all, or if thinks she is the one making the mistakes???

[Deannalynn]

Why does she even need a jury trial. Why wouldn't she just have a bench trial after all this is her first offense and according to Baez has already served more time than she would get for a first offensive. If it wasn't for the murder charges they probably would have pleaded this out a long time ago.

Hi Bala...
I think since it is a felony she has to go to trial on it. If it were shoplifting (misdemeanor) she would get off, I'm sure. But a felony is a felony no matter what you have done.
That's just my guess.:shrug:

[Deannalynn]

I wonder if JB is embarrassed by this at all, or if thinks she is the one making the mistakes???

Baez...BAEZ, he's annoyed to no end if you ask me.
I'm sure they discussed it at length however. Sometimes you have to give someone the impression it's their Idea. My opinion on Baez.
JMO

[Dells]

I wonder if JB is embarrassed by this at all, or if thinks she is the one making the mistakes???

I wonder if JB even has the capacity to feel embarrassment considering all the blunders he has made in this case.:rolleyes:

[Sun]

On my hunt back in time to try to locate something in regards to "drywall" I stumbled across this link to Discovery, and got sidetracked. It's pretty good, but a bit dry until you get to page 3 though. Signed by both Melich and Allen.

http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18740699/detail.html

[neid_77]

I know there is down time but i cannot believe how slow this board has become!!!:crying: I know there is no new news hold on to Caylee Marie please!!!

CASEY CHLOROFORM SCULPTURE ON SALE ON EBAY

http://www.wesh.com/news/20433650/detail.html


hope the OC is happy sitting in her cell knowing this is going on DISRESPECTING HER DUAGHTER!!!!! but what does she care??????

i suppose the longer this is drawn out the worse it will get so congradulations jose biazzz ms lyons congradulations indeed!!!:cursing:


Caylee Marie always and forever:wub:

[Katprint]

Hi Bala...
I think since it is a felony she has to go to trial on it. If it were shoplifting (misdemeanor) she would get off, I'm sure. But a felony is a felony no matter what you have done.
That's just my guess.:shrug:
Here in California, if you are charged with a crime, you can plead guilty to those criminal charges. Even felony charges. The defendant has a constitutional right to a trial by a jury of his/her peers, but the defendant can waive 1) the jury and/or 2) the trial itself regardless of jury trial or bench trial.

I can't even count how many pleas I have entered to felony charges without a trial. The vast majority of those - but not all - were felony drug offenses or DUIs which tend to be pretty cut and dry, my time and energy better spent persuading the prosecutor not to oppose sentence reduction (preferably diversion or suspended sentence with probation conditions like no drugs/alcohol/weapons, attend AA, etc.) rather than going through the motions of a pointless jury trial.

Maybe Florida is different but I am not aware of any criminal procedure rule that requires all felony cases to undergo jury trials.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Deannalynn]

Here in California, if you are charged with a crime, you can plead guilty to those criminal charges. Even felony charges. The defendant has a constitutional right to a trial by a jury of his/her peers, but the defendant can waive 1) the jury and/or 2) the trial itself regardless of jury trial or bench trial.

I can't even count how many pleas I have entered to felony charges without a trial. The vast majority of those - but not all - were felony drug offenses or DUIs which tend to be pretty cut and dry, my time and energy better spent persuading the prosecutor not to oppose sentence reduction (preferably diversion or suspended sentence with probation conditions like no drugs/alcohol/weapons, attend AA, etc.) rather than going through the motions of a pointless jury trial.

Maybe Florida is different but I am not aware of any criminal procedure rule that requires all felony cases to undergo jury trials.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Thanks Katprint.:seeya:

[Sun]

I know there is down time but i cannot believe how slow this board has become!!!:crying: I know there is no new news hold on to Caylee Marie please!!!

CASEY CHLOROFORM SCULPTURE ON SALE ON EBAY

http://www.wesh.com/news/20433650/detail.html


hope the OC is happy sitting in her cell knowing this is going on DISRESPECTING HER DUAGHTER!!!!! but what does she care??????

i suppose the longer this is drawn out the worse it will get so congradulations jose biazzz ms lyons congradulations indeed!!!:cursing:


Caylee Marie always and forever:wub:

eBay has rules against listing items on their site, that promote or glamorize crime. As soon as enough folks "report" that listing as being in violation of eBay policies, it will be gone.

[Julie Dupree]

I wonder if JB even has the capacity to feel embarrassment considering all the blunders he has made in this case.:rolleyes:

Thats kinda sorta what I was thinking Dells....and he has made plenty, that is for sure. I wonder what AL calls him when she is alone and no one can hear her..:)

[bchand]

Here's a summation of the information the defense is requesting from TES. Note the last two sentences:

What strikes me most of all is that the defense has finally put out exactly why this information is so important.

9. The above-mentioned documents and information are material to Ms. Casey's (sic) capital murder charge because they directly pertain to the timing and manner of the arrival of the remains of Caylee Marie Anthony at the site where they were discovered.

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/

Well written by Ritanita. This will get us ready for Friday's hearing!

[ish]

On my hunt back in time to try to locate something in regards to "drywall" I stumbled across this link to Discovery, and got sidetracked. It's pretty good, but a bit dry until you get to page 3 though. Signed by both Melich and Allen.

http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18740699/detail.html

very interesting, i particularly enjoyed the section where George is "confrontational" when the search warrant is served (after Caylee's remains are found) until Cindy directs him to wait on the sun porch. So typical of their relationship!!:laugh:

[ish]

Start right at the top with the slanted pictured and follow the outline right down. You can't see that it matches? The curtains are closed but there is also light coming through them.

You are right on with this, I thought the reflection might also be from the camera flash, but it is definately the outline of the objects.

[Sun]

very interesting, i particularly enjoyed the section where George is "confrontational" when the search warrant is served (after Caylee's remains are found) until Cindy directs him to wait on the sun porch. So typical of their relationship!!:laugh:

George confuses me at time. Maybe I should say that his "behavior" confuses me. At times, I would swear that he and Casey are holding the untold story about what happened to Caylee. The pair of them. And, that George is doing way more behind the scenes that any of the public suspect. Cindy's overbearing/controlling nature puts George in the shadows.

Cindy admitted to having "her people" walk the area on Suburan Drive. Cindy admitted to having a "missing" WTP blanket.

[Sun]

Here's a summation of the information the defense is requesting from TES. Note the last two sentences:

What strikes me most of all is that the defense has finally put out exactly why this information is so important.

9. The above-mentioned documents and information are material to Ms. Casey's (sic) capital murder charge because they directly pertain to the timing and manner of the arrival of the remains of Caylee Marie Anthony at the site where they were discovered.

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/

Well written by Ritanita. This will get us ready for Friday's hearing!

I think that Lyon writes hoping that people will believe her nonsense. There is nothing that TES could provide that would lead to the "manner of the arrival of the remains." If searchers missed finding the remains, that doesn't show any proof that the remains weren't there. It would even be a stretch to think that it would provide any reasonable doubt... but alas, it must be the best that Lyon can think up.

[Julie Dupree]

On my hunt back in time to try to locate something in regards to "drywall" I stumbled across this link to Discovery, and got sidetracked. It's pretty good, but a bit dry until you get to page 3 though. Signed by both Melich and Allen.

http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18740699/detail.html

WOW!!! Sun you were right about this being "pretty good". Funny how things seem be a little more meaningful..:)

On page 9...
"Cynthia stated that she had people walk "that area" meaning where the body was discovered, a month ago and there was nothing in that area then."......:) wondered if people=DC????

[Julie Dupree]

I think that Lyon writes hoping that people will believe her nonsense. There is nothing that TES could provide that would lead to the "manner of the arrival of the remains." If searchers missed finding the remains, that doesn't show any proof that the remains weren't there. It would even be a stretch to think that it would provide any reasonable doubt... but alas, it must be the best that Lyon can think up.

Since Tim Miller is in Florida this week, I wonder if this means anything to the Casey case.

[Dells]

Here's a summation of the information the defense is requesting from TES. Note the last two sentences:

What strikes me most of all is that the defense has finally put out exactly why this information is so important.

9. The above-mentioned documents and information are material to Ms. Casey's (sic) capital murder charge because they directly pertain to the timing and manner of the arrival of the remains of Caylee Marie Anthony at the site where they were discovered.

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/

Well written by Ritanita. This will get us ready for Friday's hearing!

Bolding mine....

Looks like the defense might try to go with the theory that the remains were placed there sometime after Casey was already under arrest.:sneaky:

I think the evidence that was found w/Caylee's remains will show otherwise, but I guess the defense has nothing to lose (except their self respect) by trying. They will be looking for that one volunteer that has some scandal in their past and then try to allude that they were the ones that put Caylee's remains there. Or they may be trying to show that TM and his organization searched the area so thoroughly that it shows that Caylee's remains were placed there after Casey was already under suspicion, so therefore she couldn't have done it. I don't think either are going to fly, even if TM is made a material witness to this case. I just don't think a jury will buy what JB and his "Dream Team" are going to be trying to sell.

It just truly amazes me how far the defense will stretch their imagination to try to blame this crime on innocent people. The most logical and simplest explanation, and the one that is supported by numerous pieces of evidence, is that Casey murdered Caylee and is trying to cover it up.

It sickens me that our criminal justice system would allow the names and reputations of innocent people to be dragged through the mud and ruined like this. I know many say our system is the best in the world, but this particular case just highlights how there is an enormous amount of room for improvement. I think it is deplorable how beating the system has become a game to some defense attorneys. I just hope in the end justice is served, despite the actions of some.

[Julie Dupree]

I think that Lyon writes hoping that people will believe her nonsense. There is nothing that TES could provide that would lead to the "manner of the arrival of the remains." If searchers missed finding the remains, that doesn't show any proof that the remains weren't there. It would even be a stretch to think that it would provide any reasonable doubt... but alas, it must be the best that Lyon can think up.

Tim Miller and his volunteers did not search where the body was found...it was under water.

[Julie Dupree]

Bolding mine....

Looks like the defense might try to go with the theory that the remains were placed there sometime after Casey was already under arrest.:sneaky:
I think the evidence that was found w/Caylee's remains will show otherwise, but I guess the defense has nothing to lose (except their self respect) by trying. They will be looking for that one volunteer that has some scandal in their past and then try to allude that they were the ones that put Caylee's remains there. Or they may be trying to show that TM and his organization searched the area so thoroughly that it shows that Caylee's remains were placed there after Casey was already under suspicion, so therefore she couldn't have done it. I don't think either are going to fly, even if TM is made a material witness to this case. I just don't think a jury will buy what JB and his "Dream Team" are going to be trying to sell.

It just truly amazes me how far the defense will stretch their imagination to try to blame this crime on innocent people. The most logical and simplest explanation, and the one that is supported by numerous pieces of evidence, is that Casey murdered Caylee and is trying to cover it up.

It sickens me that our criminal justice system would allow the names and reputations of innocent people to be dragged through the mud and ruined like this. I know many say our system is the best in the world, but this particular case just highlights how there is an enormous amount of room for improvement. I think it is deplorable how beating the system has become a game to some defense attorneys. I just hope in the end justice is served, despite the actions of some.
(bolding mine)
I think that is exactly what they intend on doing.

[5boxersmom]

I do not remember any drywall being taken out of the Anthony's home. There was a section of drywall taken in the Haleigh Cummings case. Maybe these two cases are being confused?

jmo

[Sun]

Bolding mine....

Looks like the defense might try to go with the theory that the remains were placed there sometime after Casey was already under arrest.:sneaky:

I think the evidence that was found w/Caylee's remains will show otherwise, but I guess the defense has nothing to lose (except their self respect) by trying. They will be looking for that one volunteer that has some scandal in their past and then try to allude that they were the ones that put Caylee's remains there. Or they may be trying to show that TM and his organization searched the area so thoroughly that it shows that Caylee's remains were placed there after Casey was already under suspicion, so therefore she couldn't have done it. I don't think either are going to fly, even if TM is made a material witness to this case. I just don't think a jury will buy what JB and his "Dream Team" are going to be trying to sell.

It just truly amazes me how far the defense will stretch their imagination to try to blame this crime on innocent people. The most logical and simplest explanation, and the one that is supported by numerous pieces of evidence, is that Casey murdered Caylee and is trying to cover it up.

It sickens me that our criminal justice system would allow the names and reputations of innocent people to be dragged through the mud and ruined like this. I know many say our system is the best in the world, but this particular case just highlights how there is an enormous amount of room for improvement. I think it is deplorable how beating the system has become a game to some defense attorneys. I just hope in the end justice is served, despite the actions of some.

The BBM part above would not make sense when compared to the evidence found in Casey's car. IMO, it does no good to try to say that "someone else" placed the body there. Will they also say that someone else sent those txtmsgs to Amy in regards to the car smelling. Shuck, Lee even comments that Casey said something about an odor in the car.

Casey had control of the car. Left it at the Amscot, where it sat until it was towed and impounded. The only pair of people that had any access to that car, were George and Cindy when they drove it home from the impound yard. Will the defense try to make a jury believe that George and/or Cindy "planted" evidence in that car at that time?

HeHeHe... my imagination isn't good enough to make up any kind of reasonable doubt story from this.

[martha]

Tim Miller and his volunteers did not search where the body was found...it was under water. Thats what I was thinking that Tim could not get into where CAYLEE'S body was found. I just hope we have a jury that will not buy all this bs that the def.will put out there.jmho

[Julie Dupree]

Here's a summation of the information the defense is requesting from TES. Note the last two sentences:

What strikes me most of all is that the defense has finally put out exactly why this information is so important.

9. The above-mentioned documents and information are material to Ms. Casey's (sic) capital murder charge because they directly pertain to the timing and manner of the arrival of the remains of Caylee Marie Anthony at the site where they were discovered.

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/

Well written by Ritanita. This will get us ready for Friday's hearing!

Very good article....thanks bchand.

[Julie Dupree]

Thats what I was thinking that Tim could not get into where CAYLEE'S body was found. I just hope we have a jury that will not buy all this bs that the def.will put out there.jmho

On that particular point I dont think they (the defense) will have any choice, Ms Martha.
I think by the time this goes to trial, the state will be very well prepared to present its case and the jury will have no problems knowing exactly what happened to Caylee. JMO

[Deannalynn]

Here's a summation of the information the defense is requesting from TES. Note the last two sentences:

What strikes me most of all is that the defense has finally put out exactly why this information is so important.

9. The above-mentioned documents and information are material to Ms. Casey's (sic) capital murder charge because they directly pertain to the timing and manner of the arrival of the remains of Caylee Marie Anthony at the site where they were discovered.

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/

Well written by Ritanita. This will get us ready for Friday's hearing!

Thanks for this link, bchand:thumbup:

[Julie Dupree]

The BBM part above would not make sense when compared to the evidence found in Casey's car. IMO, it does no good to try to say that "someone else" placed the body there. Will they also say that someone else sent those txtmsgs to Amy in regards to the car smelling. Shuck, Lee even comments that Casey said something about an odor in the car.

Casey had control of the car. Left it at the Amscot, where it sat until it was towed and impounded. The only pair of people that had any access to that car, were George and Cindy when they drove it home from the impound yard. Will the defense try to make a jury believe that George and/or Cindy "planted" evidence in that car at that time?

HeHeHe... my imagination isn't good enough to make up any kind of reasonable doubt story from this.

Sun, dont you remember it was a dead squirrel that had dined on pizza before it died that caused the order in the car. I think they will try to say that someone tossed Caylee in the woods while Casey was in jail. JMO

[apothecary]

Hi everyone esp Holden.I got my son working a a cartoon of the'Angelina Jolie" look alike wonder nanny that Casey and family described who is a 10 and super rich and nice but kills babies for fun.He should have it done soon and I will figure out a way to post it.I am learning about the computer every day but still can't snip.:laugh:Luv yaz all:wub:

[Lapis]

Why does she even need a jury trial. Why wouldn't she just have a bench trial after all this is her first offense and according to Baez has already served more time than she would get for a first offensive. If it wasn't for the murder charges they probably would have pleaded this out a long time ago.

Why don't we just throw out the constitution while we're at it? JMO

[Sun]

Sun, dont you remember it was a dead squirrel that had dined on pizza before it died that caused the order in the car. I think they will try to say that someone tossed Caylee in the woods while Casey was in jail. JMO

Yes, the defense would like to say that someone else put Caylee in the woods. But how would they explain away the air tests on the car, the one decomposed hair from the car, the cadavor hit on the car, the odor of the car, ......did this someone else also place all of this into Casey's car? And also tell Casey to make up stories about where Caylee was?

I guess that I just don't see what good it will do for the defense to spend so much time on this issue, given the evidence found in Casey's car. And, Casey's actions and lies during those 31 days. I mean, is this the best that they can think of as a defense? The more that they persist in getting TES records, the more I wonder if the defense knows that they can show that another person may have been involved. They could only know that if Casey told them... and for her to know, she had to have been involved. ...I just don't get it.

[Julie Dupree]

Just when you thought you had seen, read or heard everything...something always comes along to prove you haven't.

http://www.wesh.com/news/20433650/detail.html

[Julie Dupree]

Yes, the defense would like to say that someone else put Caylee in the woods. But how would they explain away the air tests on the car, the one decomposed hair from the car, the cadavor hit on the car, the odor of the car, ......did this someone else also place all of this into Casey's car? And also tell Casey to make up stories about where Caylee was?

I guess that I just don't see what good it will do for the defense to spend so much time on this issue, given the evidence found in Casey's car. And, Casey's actions and lies during those 31 days. I mean, is this the best that they can think of as a defense? The more that they persist in getting TES records, the more I wonder if the defense knows that they can show that another person may have been involved. They could only know that if Casey told them... and for her to know, she had to have been involved. ...I just don't get it.

What I am waiting to hear is, if the odor and the decomposed hair and all the other things are not from Caylee...who are they from????

[Deannalynn]

Yes, the defense would like to say that someone else put Caylee in the woods. But how would they explain away the air tests on the car, the one decomposed hair from the car, the cadavor hit on the car, the odor of the car, ......did this someone else also place all of this into Casey's car? And also tell Casey to make up stories about where Caylee was?

I guess that I just don't see what good it will do for the defense to spend so much time on this issue, given the evidence found in Casey's car. And, Casey's actions and lies during those 31 days. I mean, is this the best that they can think of as a defense? The more that they persist in getting TES records, the more I wonder if the defense knows that they can show that another person may have been involved. They could only know that if Casey told them... and for her to know, she had to have been involved. ...I just don't get it.

My bold...

Okay, I know this is off the wall but did LE look at George and Cindy's cars, Lee's:confused::scared:

[msgatorslayer]

Just when you thought you had seen, read or heard everything...something always comes along to prove you haven't.

http://www.wesh.com/news/20433650/detail.html

That is eerie and very morbid. Something I'd do for Halloween, definately. But not to make a video of it and sell the piece on Ebay.

[Bala]

On my hunt back in time to try to locate something in regards to "drywall" I stumbled across this link to Discovery, and got sidetracked. It's pretty good, but a bit dry until you get to page 3 though. Signed by both Melich and Allen.

http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18740699/detail.html

After reading all this all I can say is WOW!

[cassidy]

Just when you thought you had seen, read or heard everything...something always comes along to prove you haven't.

http://www.wesh.com/news/20433650/detail.html

That's sick.

[Bala]

Why don't we just throw out the constitution while we're at it? JMO
I wasn't trying to imply that she wasn't entitled to one only that the way Baez is talking about how everyone has gotten their many back and she's already served more time than she's get why not just plead guilty and get it over with. COV for a fraud charge come on isn't that a little over the top.

[BlueTurtle]

Tim Miller and his volunteers did not search where the body was found...it was under water.

Didn't he call off the search of the area when a four wheeler got stuck and he worried that damage to the site would occur by their continued search.

[Julie Dupree]

Didn't he call off the search of the area when a four wheeler got stuck and he worried that damage to the site would occur by their continued search.

Yep, he sure did. He said he would go back into that area when it was drier.

[msgatorslayer]

I wasn't trying to imply that she wasn't entitled to one only that the way Baez is talking about how everyone has gotten their many back and she's already served more time than she's get why not just plead guilty and get it over with. COV for a fraud charge come on isn't that a little over the top.

She's on tape and she signed her name. No matter where a jury is seated on these check charges the results will be the same. She is 100% guilty. A COV is just plain silly. Has any of our legal eagles here commented on if a COV is ever even allowed on such charges? I've only heard of them being sought and granted in murder trials.

[Julie Dupree]

That is eerie and very morbid. Something I'd do for Halloween, definately. But not to make a video of it and sell the piece on Ebay.

I guess some people will do anything!!!!

[msgatorslayer]

Didn't he call off the search of the area when a four wheeler got stuck and he worried that damage to the site would occur by their continued search.

Yes, he didn't want to run Caylee over or disrupt anything. If it was a crime scene.:crying:

[Julie Dupree]

She's on tape and she signed her name. No matter where a jury is seated on these check charges the results will be the same. She is 100% guilty. A COV is just plain silly. Has any of our legal eagles here commented on if a COV is ever even allowed on such charges? I've only heard of them being sought and granted in murder trials.

I think the COV is another stalling point. I don't think AL even expects to get it, but she is using this as one objection.

[Sun]

I wasn't trying to imply that she wasn't entitled to one only that the way Baez is talking about how everyone has gotten their many back and she's already served more time than she's get why not just plead guilty and get it over with. COV for a fraud charge come on isn't that a little over the top.

Bala, Casey may be sitting in her jail cell saying that she will NOT plead guilty to something that she didn't do. No one can force her. She has a right to a trial. If she can get a delay in the criminal check/fraud case, then she may feel as if she won something.

Getting a conviction on the murder one charge, just has to be the priority. The State wants a trial date for the criminal check/fraud charges to be set. The Defense doesn't. The Judge will decide.

[msgatorslayer]

I think the COV is another stalling point. I don't think AL even expects to get it, but she is using this as one objection.

I was just reading this today about another high profile murder trial that started today where the defense is trying to get a COV.

'The law requires attorneys to try to pick a jury before the judge can rule that King cannot get a fair trial here'

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20090817/ARTICLE/908171039/2055/NEWS?Title=Experts-see-a-jury-for-King-in-Sarasota-County

So, AL has to try right there in Orange County, first.

[Holden]

Thanks Apothecary! I look forward to seeing your son's sketch of the amazingly talented superwoman - ZFG. I know it will be great:thumbup:

[Julie Dupree]

:) This one is sooooooooo cute and humours and enjoyable...nothing weird, sick, or eerie.

http://john.bitbun.com/banjos.html

[Julie Dupree]

I was just reading this today about another high profile murder trial that started today where the defense is trying to get a COV.

'The law requires attorneys to try to pick a jury before the judge can rule that King cannot get a fair trial here'

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20090817/ARTICLE/908171039/2055/NEWS?Title=Experts-see-a-jury-for-King-in-Sarasota-County

So, AL has to try right there in Orange County, first.

Thanks msgator...I was referring to AL trying to go for a change for the check charges. I don't think they will get a COV for those charges.

[Julie Dupree]

I was just reading this today about another high profile murder trial that started today where the defense is trying to get a COV.

'The law requires attorneys to try to pick a jury before the judge can rule that King cannot get a fair trial here'

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20090817/ARTICLE/908171039/2055/NEWS?Title=Experts-see-a-jury-for-King-in-Sarasota-County

So, AL has to try right there in Orange County, first.

Hummm!!! I did not know this!!

The law requires attorneys to try to pick a jury before the judge can rule that King cannot get a fair trial here.

[iluvmua]

:) This one is sooooooooo cute and humours and enjoyable...nothing weird, sick, or eerie.

http://john.bitbun.com/banjos.html

LOL! :lol::thumbsup:

[msgatorslayer]

Thanks msgator...I was referring to AL trying to go for a change for the check charges. I don't think they will get a COV for those charges.

Right. But the laws must be the same. Check charge, murder charge, doesn't matter. The COV law is what it is. I seriously doubt a COV is ever considered on anything other than a murder charge. I just don't know if it's in the law book, lol.

I mean, whats next? A COV on shop lifting or DUI?:laugh:

[Julie Dupree]

Right. But the laws must be the same. Check charge, murder charge, doesn't matter. The COV law is what it is. I seriously doubt a COV is ever considered on anything other than a murder charge. I just don't know if it's in the law book, lol.

I mean, whats next? A COV on shop lifting or DUI?:laugh:

Maybe, who knows?

[Sun]

I was just reading this today about another high profile murder trial that started today where the defense is trying to get a COV.

'The law requires attorneys to try to pick a jury before the judge can rule that King cannot get a fair trial here'

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20090817/ARTICLE/908171039/2055/NEWS?Title=Experts-see-a-jury-for-King-in-Sarasota-County

So, AL has to try right there in Orange County, first.

I re-read Lyon's motion to delay the criminal check/fraud trial, and she sure takes a lot of paper and words to try to convice the reader. I found several of her arguments to be NOT convincing and in some case they make little sense. I guess when you have a client like Casey, you just have to work with what you are given.

It's makes no sense for the Baez law firm to send payment to the BOA for the damages, and then tell the court that BOA has been reimbursed in full, then demand a delay in the check/fraud trial because their sole reason is that they can't allocated resources to provide a defense for the check/fraud case because to do so would deprive Casey of the right to a fair trial in the murder case. (or something close to that)

[Julie Dupree]

I re-read Lyon's motion to delay the criminal check/fraud trial, and she sure takes a lot of paper and words to try to convice the reader. I found several of her arguments to be NOT convincing and in some case they make little sense. I guess when you have a client like Casey, you just have to work with what you are given.

It's makes no sense for the Baez law firm to send payment to the BOA for the damages, and then tell the court that BOA has been reimbursed in full, then demand a delay in the check/fraud trial because their sole reason is that they can't allocated resources to provide a defense for the check/fraud case because to do so would deprive Casey of the right to a fair trial in the murder case. (or something close to that)

I am not going to speculate any more about what this crazy defense team may or may not do.
KP or Lapis (I can not remember which one it was) that there is a very good possibility AL asked her law students to write these motions and she would pick and chose which ones she wanted to use. I think she picked the one that was the most confusing hoping that Judge Strickland would get tried of reading and just sign it.
I don't think that will happen.

[Sun]

Thanks msgator...I was referring to AL trying to go for a change for the check charges. I don't think they will get a COV for those charges.

Seems to me that Lyon is threatening the court, with saying that a COV would be needed. I detected a bit of an attitude when re-reading through the motion and papers. Judge Strickland probably won't get bored.

[Bala]

Bala, Casey may be sitting in her jail cell saying that she will NOT plead guilty to something that she didn't do. No one can force her. She has a right to a trial. If she can get a delay in the criminal check/fraud case, then she may feel as if she won something.

Getting a conviction on the murder one charge, just has to be the priority. The State wants a trial date for the criminal check/fraud charges to be set. The Defense doesn't. The Judge will decide.

But what about Amy's rights. By pleading not guilty Casey has put Amy's reputation into call. The defense has had over a year to prepare for the fraud charges I don't think they're all that complicated. I don't think that the prosecutors would go forward with the fraud trial if they felt it could hurt the murder trial or put it in jeopardy.

[Julie Dupree]

Seems to me that Lyon is threatening the court, with saying that a COV would be needed. I detected a bit of an attitude when re-reading through the motion and papers. Judge Strickland probably won't get bored.
That is one thing I can almost guarantee. And in this mess, that is a very rare occurrence.

[Sun]

But what about Amy's rights. By pleading not guilty Casey has put Amy's reputation into call. The defense has had over a year to prepare for the fraud charges I don't think they're all that complicated. I don't think that the prosecutors would go forward with the fraud trial if they felt it could hurt the murder trial or put it in jeopardy.

Tell me how Amy's reputation would be damage? She was a victim of Casey's, but I believe that the bank reimbursed Amy for the money that Casey stole. (you aren't confusing Amy with Zenaida Gonzalaz and the Civil Case for defamation, are you?)

[Julie Dupree]

But what about Amy's rights. By pleading not guilty Casey has put Amy's reputation into call. The defense has had over a year to prepare for the fraud charges I don't think they're all that complicated. I don't think that the prosecutors would go forward with the fraud trial if they felt it could hurt the murder trial or put it in jeopardy.

Casey, and the Casey team, are saying "But what about me-me-me-me"
Amy who?
And, to be fair, I have to admit, if I were facing DP charges, I would want those to come before other "minor, less important" charges.
I am not convinced from reading AL motion that the defense team can not prepare for the murder case, and the check charge case at the same time. I mean, there are a lot of people working on that team.

[Julie Dupree]

But what about Amy's rights. By pleading not guilty Casey has put Amy's reputation into call. The defense has had over a year to prepare for the fraud charges I don't think they're all that complicated. I don't think that the prosecutors would go forward with the fraud trial if they felt it could hurt the murder trial or put it in jeopardy.

Quite frankly, I think both the state and the defense have hidden agenda's in filing this case now, and writing motions to delay it.

[apothecary]

Arghh..now I know a little how Casey felt.Two weeks ago I set 2 traps under my kitchen sink to get mousies and knew I was introuble when one disappeatred.I think a mouse escaped with the trap attached under the kitchen cupboards under the kick plate.I am afraid to open them and looK(its a mans job after all) and there a smell coming from under the kitchen sink.Never mind,I am having those cupboards replaced any day now and will let the carpenters deal with it.i just can inagine the smell multiplied a few hundred times.The smell is tolerable as long as I don't open the cupboard under the sink:scared:

[Julie Dupree]

Quite frankly, I think both the state and the defense have hidden agenda's in filing this case now, and writing motions to delay it.

I think quicker than I type..meant to say..
Quite frankly, I think both the state and the defense have hidden agenda's. I do not think it is about Amy, her reputation, the money or anything of the sorts. They want to have Casey come to her murder trial with a conviction. AL and JB are doing everything they can to prevent this from happening, including paying the bank.

[Julie Dupree]

arghh..now i know a little how casey felt.two weeks ago i set 2 traps under my kitchen sink to get mousies and knew i was introuble when one disappeatred.i think a mouse escaped with the trap attached under the kitchen cupboards under the kick plate.i am afraid to open them and look(its a mans job after all) and there a smell coming from under the kitchen sink.never mind,i am having those cupboards replaced any day now and will let the carpenters deal with it.i just can inagine the smell multiplied a few hundred times.the smell is tolerable as long as i don't open the cupboard under the sink:scared:

ewwwwww!!!!

[Bala]

Tell me how Amy's reputation would be damage? She was a victim of Casey's, but I believe that the bank reimbursed Amy for the money that Casey stole. (you aren't confusing Amy with Zenaida Gonzalaz and the Civil Case for defamation, are you?)
By pleading don't guilty Casey has called Amy a liar. I think even though she got the money back stuff like this can show up on a credit report. People now are using your credit report even to decided whether they should hire you or not. I'm sure Amy wants to clear her name.

[Julie Dupree]

By pleading don't guilty Casey has called Amy a liar. I think even though she got the money back stuff like this can show up on a credit report. People now are using your credit report even to decided whether they should hire you or not. I'm sure Amy wants to clear her name.

Bala, I am not as familiar with credit reports and reporting as I should be...if the courts find Casey guilty, or she pleads guilty of these check charges, will her (Amy)credit report reflect that?

[msgatorslayer]

Arghh..now I know a little how Casey felt.Two weeks ago I set 2 traps under my kitchen sink to get mousies and knew I was introuble when one disappeatred.I think a mouse escaped with the trap attached under the kitchen cupboards under the kick plate.I am afraid to open them and looK(its a mans job after all) and there a smell coming from under the kitchen sink.Never mind,I am having those cupboards replaced any day now and will let the carpenters deal with it.i just can inagine the smell multiplied a few hundred times.The smell is tolerable as long as I don't open the cupboard under the sink:scared:

Gross!! Thankfully you're getting new cupboards.

The worst smell of decomp I've ever smelled is road kill across the street from my house. The smell would come in waves, with the wind, which would carry it right to my door steps. Until a neighbor guy scraped it up and buried it in the woods. :chicken:

[*Serenity*]

By pleading don't guilty Casey has called Amy a liar. I think even though she got the money back stuff like this can show up on a credit report. People now are using your credit report even to decided whether they should hire you or not. I'm sure Amy wants to clear her name.


I'm sure the BofA did not place anything negative on Amy's report due to the situation. Also Amy filed her police report and reported to the BofA fraud department what happened, which they have on file and also have Casey on camera.

Oh and don't forget Baez sent money order to pay the bank back, which cleared the funds, however the bank stated it did not clear Casey for her check fraud charges.

[farrahrani]

Tell me how Amy's reputation would be damage? She was a victim of Casey's, but I believe that the bank reimbursed Amy for the money that Casey stole. (you aren't confusing Amy with Zenaida Gonzalaz and the Civil Case for defamation, are you?)

It was explained earlier, that by pleading not guilty, Casey was stating Amy's permission to use her checks, and that left Amy open to suspicion of fraud, as she was left complete by BOA. Now of course nobody in their right mind would actually suspect Amy of this, its just from a legal standpoint.

My question is this:
If Casey pleads No Contest, how would that be handled in the murder trial, if the fraud case is heard before the murder trial? Would they be allowed to bring up evidence that she stole money because she was not working, therefore had no need for a nanny, if she was pleaded with no contest?

If the prosecution is NOT allowed to use evidence from a no contest plea, then perhaps that would be the smart way to go, to make the plea and do this case first. Most cases of fraud, if they are a first offense, are allowed to go to some kind or pre-trial diversion program, if they plead no contest before the judge and compensation is made (which we know now has been done)

[msgatorslayer]

What is there to be reported on a credit report? Nothing of Amy's bounced, did it? I thought Casey drained what was in there. Which was caught in time before Amy sent out a check to bounce, etc.

[*Serenity*]

In my opinion there is no way Casey will get out of the check fraud -- she is on video tape caught in the act, signs her own name to a few checks, and then sends a money order to pay the bank back???

[*Serenity*]

What is there to be reported on a credit report? Nothing of Amy's bounced, did it? I thought Casey drained what was in there. Which was caught in time before Amy sent out a check to bounce, etc.


Nothing to report.
The fraud department took care of Amy and then proceeded to go after the culprit-- Casey.

[really3997]

What is there to be reported on a credit report? Nothing of Amy's bounced, did it? I thought Casey drained what was in there. Which was caught in time before Amy sent out a check to bounce, etc.

I think if anything was put in Amy's credit report it was a fraud alert notification. which notifies any creditor to take extra precautions when opening any account for Amy. It will be a pain for Amy through out her life, but it will stop future fraud. jmo

[frances1]

I re-read Lyon's motion to delay the criminal check/fraud trial, and she sure takes a lot of paper and words to try to convice the reader. I found several of her arguments to be NOT convincing and in some case they make little sense. I guess when you have a client like Casey, you just have to work with what you are given.

It's makes no sense for the Baez law firm to send payment to the BOA for the damages, and then tell the court that BOA has been reimbursed in full, then demand a delay in the check/fraud trial because their sole reason is that they can't allocated resources to provide a defense for the check/fraud case because to do so would deprive Casey of the right to a fair trial in the murder case. (or something close to that)

The defense team must be desperate to make such a convoluted argument. Judge Strickland has a 'nightmare' case in front of him, doesn't he?

[Dells]

Tim Miller and his volunteers did not search where the body was found...it was under water.

You can bet your bottom dollar though that JB and his "Dream Team" are going to do whatever they can to confuse the issue in hopes of creating reasonable doubt.:sneaky:

[Affa]

Did everyone go to bed?

[farrahrani]

Did everyone go to bed?

Not everyone, I'm still lurking though I don't have much to contribute, lol.

Dying to hear if any of the legal experts here have an answer to my question. About what effect a 'no contest' plea would have on using the check fraud case in the murder trial if the check fraud was tried first.

[Shades]

I'm still lurking here too.
I'm no legal expert, so I can't help U,
but would love to hear an answer.

[Deannalynn]

Not everyone, I'm still lurking though I don't have much to contribute, lol.

Dying to hear if any of the legal experts here have an answer to my question. About what effect a 'no contest' plea would have on using the check fraud case in the murder trial if the check fraud was tried first.

Our legal experts are gone for the night.
Altho I have always wanted to know what the big deal is to say "No contest." Sounds to me someone doesn't want to challenge their guilt.:laugh: How about we look it up. It's not like the board is flying tonight. (:

[Deannalynn]

"Aha"..."A plea in a criminal court case."
Well, we know that!:sneaky:

[Deannalynn]

I sit here and read all day what the day time posters have to say to one another. They have some very intelligent posts and they are always very informative. Some would make excellent investigators, some could be attorney's, some ARE attorney's and a lot are gifted with scenarios and putting a criminal puzzle together.
This has to be one of the first cases I have followed where it's so difficult to figure out or make a lot of sense of.
Casey Anthony not reporting Caylee for 31 days has made this case difficult not only for the investigators and the forensic experts but I think her own defense team can't make heads or tales. The woman is a pathological liar, Psychopath and she's narcissistic. Throw all those together in a bucket, mix well and we have a case that will go down in history, I'm thinking.

What are your thoughts as to what really happened the night of the 15-16th of June 2008.
Did she indeed kill her daughter or did she have her daughter at someones house being watched that she can not divulge the whereabouts.
Was Caylee somewhere where Casey should not have had her or did she really kill her own daughter.

[AnniePie]

I know there is down time but i cannot believe how slow this board has become!!!:crying: I know there is no new news hold on to Caylee Marie please!!!
CASEY CHLOROFORM SCULPTURE ON SALE ON EBAY

http://www.wesh.com/news/20433650/detail.html


hope the OC is happy sitting in her cell knowing this is going on DISRESPECTING HER DUAGHTER!!!!! but what does she care??????

i suppose the longer this is drawn out the worse it will get so congradulations jose biazzz ms lyons congradulations indeed!!!:cursing:


Caylee Marie always and forever:wub:

Neid, I'm sure no one needs to fear that we are forgetting about Caylee! As soon as something new is released, there will be hundreds viewing and posting again. Caylee has grabbed the hearts of zillions of people, and we will be here to see justice done on her behalf.

[BobbisAngel]

That's Lyon's way of threatening the judge plain and simple. COV my butt. They no that they can't win this case so it's just more delay delay delay. If I was Amy and Strickland put off this case indefinitely I would file a civil suite against the City of Orlando the State of Florida and Casey for defamation of character and being stripped of her right to clear her name in a timely fashion. By pleading innocent Casey is calling Amy a liar and a fraud. Because if she gave Casey permission to write the cheques then she defrauded BOA out of the reimbursement money.


Casey might as well pled guilty if her defense attorneys paid Amy off. They wouldn't have given her a dime if Casey hadn't admitted that she stole those checks. She pleads guilty she won't even need a jury...the judge will decide her punishment.

Where did the defense get the money to pay Amy? Since when does a person's attorney cover their debts from check forgery? That defense team is one strange bunch.

If going to trial would cause an appeal in the murder case then I hope they wait but if not....get on with it.

[summer]

I sit here and read all day what the day time posters have to say to one another. They have some very intelligent posts and they are always very informative. Some would make excellent investigators, some could be attorney's, some ARE attorney's and a lot are gifted with scenarios and putting a criminal puzzle together.
This has to be one of the first cases I have followed where it's so difficult to figure out or make a lot of sense of.
Casey Anthony not reporting Caylee for 31 days has made this case difficult not only for the investigators and the forensic experts but I think her own defense team can't make heads or tales. The woman is a pathological liar, Psychopath and she's narcissistic. Throw all those together in a bucket, mix well and we have a case that will go down in history, I'm thinking.

What are your thoughts as to what really happened the night of the 15-16th of June 2008.
Did she indeed kill her daughter or did she have her daughter at someones house being watched that she can not divulge the whereabouts.
Was Caylee somewhere where Casey should not have had her or did she really kill her own daughter.

Casey Anthony NEVER reported her daughter missing. Her mother eventually got around to it on the 3rd 911 call. Casey Anthony never reported it - ever. That's starting to become an urban myth and it's simply untrue.

And no, I don't believe "her daughter was being watched at someone's house and she cannot divulge the whereabouts." No disrespect intended but my response to that theory is *snort*.

[happygert]

I sit here and read all day what the day time posters have to say to one another. They have some very intelligent posts and they are always very informative. Some would make excellent investigators, some could be attorney's, some ARE attorney's and a lot are gifted with scenarios and putting a criminal puzzle together.
This has to be one of the first cases I have followed where it's so difficult to figure out or make a lot of sense of.
Casey Anthony not reporting Caylee for 31 days has made this case difficult not only for the investigators and the forensic experts but I think her own defense team can't make heads or tales. The woman is a pathological liar, Psychopath and she's narcissistic. Throw all those together in a bucket, mix well and we have a case that will go down in history, I'm thinking.

What are your thoughts as to what really happened the night of the 15-16th of June 2008.
Did she indeed kill her daughter or did she have her daughter at someones house being watched that she can not divulge the whereabouts.
Was Caylee somewhere where Casey should not have had her or did she really kill her own daughter.

My dear Deannalynn.. casey killed Caylee on the night of the 15 early morning hours of the 16..No one but casey had Caylee.... casey murdered her..Im not so sure casey didnt murder her in casey's own bed..jmo

[Deannalynn]

Casey Anthony NEVER reported her daughter missing. Her mother eventually got around to it on the 3rd 911 call. Casey Anthony never reported it - ever. That's starting to become an urban myth and it's simply untrue.

And no, I don't believe "her daughter was being watched at someone's house and she cannot divulge the whereabouts." No disrespect intended but my response to that theory is *snort*.

I agree with you it is "snort" :punch:

I believe what I have believed from day one. Casey hated her mother and was so jealous of the relationship Cindy said she had with Caylee. Casey murdered Caylee and it didn't bother her when she did it and as she sits in that 10x10 cell she is still not effected by it. Casey has no feelings whatsoever. In fact, Casey thinks she's going to get away with it.
In fact, I believe she still hates her mother.:seeya:
JMO

[Deannalynn]

My dear Deannalynn.. casey killed Caylee on the night of the 15 early morning hours of the 16..No one but casey had Caylee.... casey murdered her..Im not so sure casey didnt murder her in casey's own bed..jmo

Hi gert...
I loved your post today, by the way..No night shift here but us..I was just trying to get someone to respond. We are soooo slow.
I have been following this case since day 1 and I am so disgusted with Casey I wish someone could get to her. Knowing how to get to her is and always will be a mystery.
I sure am looking forward to Friday. Cindy and George sure have been quiet in the last month or so. Do you think they finally told them to keep their mouth shut?:crying:

[happygert]

Hi gert...
I loved your post today, by the way..No night shift here but us..I was just trying to get someone to respond. We are soooo slow.
I have been following this case since day 1 and I am so disgusted with Casey I wish someone could get to her. Knowing how to get to her is and always will be a mystery.
I sure am looking forward to Friday. Cindy and George sure have been quiet in the last month or so. Do you think they finally told them to keep their mouth shut?:crying:

Hi and thanks Deannalynn.. yes its been a snails pace lately.. we used to go threw 3 or 4 threads a day now we go 3 and 4 days on same thread.. lol..

casey and the whole family is disgusting..IMO no one will ever get to casey she has no conscience..

I cant wait for Friday either.. need some new stuff....lol

[Sun]

Good morning folks!

http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/08/casey-anthony-hearing-set-for.html

The court hearing for this Friday, August 21, will deal with 4 motions. One has to do with LP and his crew. (To bar bounty hunter Leonard Padilla and his crew from testifying for prosecutors)

Would a ruling against this motion make interviews from LP and his crew available to the public under the Sunshine Law?



BAR TESTIMONY: Motion
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20089834/detail.html

BAR TESTIMONY: Brief - Statement of Facts
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20089842/detail.html

BAR TESTIMONY: Privacy Agreement
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20089919/detail.html

[happygert]

Good morning folks!

http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/08/casey-anthony-hearing-set-for.html

The court hearing for this Friday, August 21, will deal with 4 motions. One has to do with LP and his crew. (To bar bounty hunter Leonard Padilla and his crew from testifying for prosecutors)

Would a ruling against this motion make interviews from LP and his crew available to the public under the Sunshine Law?



BAR TESTIMONY: Motion
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20089834/detail.html

BAR TESTIMONY: Brief - Statement of Facts
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20089842/detail.html

BAR TESTIMONY: Privacy Agreement
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20089919/detail.html

Good morning Sun, jb and al are going to have a hard time with this motion..IIRC
A) the agreement that was signed by LP said that LP was NOT HIRED by jb.. LP and company was not there for "security" for casey they were there to secure that casey would not run.. They were there to protect there assests.. they had a half million dollar bond they'd have to come up with if casey ran..
B) The agreement they signed was that they would not make any money off of casey. no book deals etc..
C) and something to do with questioning her..

so IMO once again jb and al are going to look like total idiots when they hit that court room..on that motion.. they cant have it both ways.. no they were not hired by jb.. oh yes they were hired when jb thinks they might have something he dont want told..I hope Judge dont let this fly..Think once he reads the agreement it will be another smack down on b and company..

If jb didnt play all these games he could have been ready to go to trial..jmo

[happygert]

anyone here? begining to think there was a mass layoff no night shift and day shift is a bare bones crew..

Imo casey probably would have ran if she knew that the murder charges were coming down..IMO she didnt think she'd ever be charge with neglect let alone murder.. she thought everyone would by her lies..

[Sun]

Good morning Sun, jb and al are going to have a hard time with this motion..IIRC
A) the agreement that was signed by LP said that LP was NOT HIRED by jb.. LP and company was not there for "security" for casey they were there to secure that casey would not run.. They were there to protect there assests.. they had a half million dollar bond they'd have to come up with if casey ran..
B) The agreement they signed was that they would not make any money off of casey. no book deals etc..
C) and something to do with questioning her..

so IMO once again jb and al are going to look like total idiots when they hit that court room..on that motion.. they cant have it both ways.. no they were not hired by jb.. oh yes they were hired when jb thinks they might have something he dont want told..I hope Judge dont let this fly..Think once he reads the agreement it will be another smack down on b and company..

If jb didnt play all these games he could have been ready to go to trial..jmo

I see this motion by Lyon as a way to try and eliminate a problem that Baez created for Casey. I think that Casey did chat with LP's crew. And, I think that Lyon has no idea what Casey may have said to them. Do I think that Lyon will win this motion? No.

[happygert]

dont get the quash the subpeona for TL? Did jb subpeona him ? or are they trying to get him barred from testifying for the State?? :confused: ok please, dont be to hard on me for that question..

[Sun]

anyone here? begining to think there was a mass layoff no night shift and day shift is a bare bones crew..

Imo casey probably would have ran if she knew that the murder charges were coming down..IMO she didnt think she'd ever be charge with neglect let alone murder.. she thought everyone would by her lies..

Casey did originally "run" from her own home on June 16th. Look how far she went though. And, look how close it was to her own home where she 'dumped' Caylee's bagged body. Casey didn't do too well out on her own. She "lost" her car. Instead of finding a J.O.B., she continued to sneak back into the Anthony home and steal from there. She also stole lots of money from her best friend Amy.

[happygert]

I see this motion by Lyon as a way to try and eliminate a problem that Baez created for Casey. I think that Casey did chat with LP's crew. And, I think that Lyon has no idea what Casey may have said to them. Do I think that Lyon will win this motion? No.

Sun, I'm guessing LP and company have a treasure trove of info on casey..none that makes her look good at all..I'm with you on thinking they will lose that motion..

[Sun]

dont get the quash the subpeona for TL? Did jb subpeona him ? or are they trying to get him barred from testifying for the State?? :confused: ok please, dont be to hard on me for that question..

I think that the way the media wrote that up is confusing/wrong. Yes, Baez did subpoena phone records for TL, because Judge Strickland ruled that way on Baez's earlier motion (TL didn't send a lawyer to that hearing, like Jesse and Amy did) So now TL is trying to get that ruling overturned.

gee, it's early and I'm not sure I'm making much sense.

[happygert]

Casey did originally "run" from her own home on June 16th. Look how far she went though. And, look how close it was to her own home where she 'dumped' Caylee's bagged body. Casey didn't do too well out on her own. She "lost" her car. Instead of finding a J.O.B., she continued to sneak back into the Anthony home and steal from there. She also stole lots of money from her best friend Amy.

I also think on the day when they arrested casey on murder charges ..When police where following her and they ran police off the road, she was planning on running that day..she switched vehicles she had money in her pocket ..They thought they were being smart when they pulled the ole switch a roo..LP even made the comment that casey said no one in helicopter could see if they switched vehicles under that over pass. why would she even make a statement like that if she didnt at least think about running?. so she must have thought LE was following her where ever she went..

[happygert]

I think that the way the media wrote that up is confusing/wrong. Yes, Baez did subpoena phone records for TL, because Judge Strickland ruled that way on Baez's earlier motion (TL didn't send a lawyer to that hearing, like Jesse and Amy did) So now TL is trying to get that ruling overturned.

gee, it's early and I'm not sure I'm making much sense.

Thanks.. Yes your making sense .. LOL I was thinking the same thing about my posts.. hope I wasn't sounding like an idiot ..lol

[Sun]

Sun, I'm guessing LP and company have a treasure trove of info on casey..none that makes her look good at all..I'm with you on thinking they will lose that motion..

What Casey may have talked to LP's crew about during the Aug 21-29 time period, would be interesting for the public to know. Maybe testimony would interest a jury. ....I do wonder though, as Casey is a pathological liar, and may have told some whoppers. I am more interested in hearing how Casey interacted with her own family members, and how they interacted with her during that timeframe. And, perhaps what Casey may have been doing for those long 6 hour days at Baez's office.

[Sun]

I also think on the day when they arrested casey on murder charges ..When police where following her and they ran police off the road, she was planning on running that day..she switched vehicles she had money in her pocket ..They thought they were being smart when they pulled the ole switch a roo..LP even made the comment that casey said no one in helicopter could see if they switched vehicles under that over pass. why would she even make a statement like that if she didnt at least think about running?. so she must have thought LE was following her where ever she went..

chuckles.... your thought process on this is much like mine.

Prior to Oct 14th, Baez had filed a motion to allow Casey "to travel" with him around the Orlando area, to be able to help with her defense. As of her arrest on Oct 14th, Judge Strickland hadn't yet handed down his ruling on that motion (IIRC). I have always thought that this "switching cars" was an effort to evade the media, and to go outside the rules of her probation (so that she could indeed "travel", without the courts approval). Plain and simple, they got caught.

I have no clue if "traveling" was to point out to Baez where she dumped Caylee, or if it was in an effort for Casey to just feed Baez more lies. ...she was in the Bailbondsman's vehicle, and I doubt they wanted her to get away though.

[happygert]

What Casey may have talked to LP's crew about during the Aug 21-29 time period, would be interesting for the public to know. Maybe testimony would interest a jury. ....I do wonder though, as Casey is a pathological liar, and may have told some whoppers. I am more interested in hearing how Casey interacted with her own family members, and how they interacted with her during that timeframe. And, perhaps what Casey may have been doing for those long 6 hour days at Baez's office.

Yes that would be interesting to know what she was doing every day in his office.. IIRC LP did say she how cooked and made brownies for RD.. IIRC he also said she didnt even mention Caylee..(something to that effect)

[happygert]

chuckles.... your thought process on this is much like mine.

Prior to Oct 14th, Baez had filed a motion to allow Casey "to travel" with him around the Orlando area, to be able to help with her defense. As of her arrest on Oct 14th, Judge Strickland hadn't yet handed down his ruling on that motion (IIRC). I have always thought that this "switching cars" was an effort to evade the media, and to go outside the rules of her probation (so that she could indeed "travel", without the courts approval). Plain and simple, they got caught.

I have no clue if "traveling" was to point out to Baez where she dumped Caylee, or if it was in an effort for Casey to just feed Baez more lies. ...she was in the Bailbondsman's vehicle, and I doubt they wanted her to get away though.


LOL..guess were on the same page..
I dont know either what the travel outside Orlando area was either.. When IMO he knew Caylee was only a short walk down the street. Why else would he have told dc if you find her DONT call LE call me?.. IIRC thats what dc made the bar complaint about ...Yes I doubt if they wanted her to run.. dang for some reason I was thinking she was with cindy..Maybe casey was thinking if I can pull it off in broad day light I might be able to sneak out like mom and lee did and get the hell out of here..Just never know what goes through her twisited mind..

3 more days to go count down for some more info.. usually not too long after a court hearing we get some more docs..

has media ever filed motion for the video of casey when Caylee's remains were found?

[Sun]

In the motion to bar testimony from LP and his crew, (bolded by me)

"Miss Anthony also respectfully requests that this Court preclude the release to the media of any statements made by Miss Anthony in the presence of the above named individuals that concern the investigation into the disapearance of Caylee Marie Anthony and subsequent litigation, as those statements are also covered by the attorney-client privilege.

Is Lyon hoping to be able to be able to separate Casey from the JBP version (with ZG name mentioned by Casey yet again)? I've got to admit, that I currently have doubts as to who the author could be of this JBP version. However, if LPs crew is under oath and saying that Casey told it to them, then I would be solid in my thinking that Casey was on board with the story, no matter who thought it up.

[happygert]

In the motion to bar testimony from LP and his crew, (bolded by me)

"Miss Anthony also respectfully requests that this Court preclude the release to the media of any statements made by Miss Anthony in the presence of the above named individuals that concern the investigation into the disapearance of Caylee Marie Anthony and subsequent litigation, as those statements are also covered by the attorney-client privilege.

Is Lyon hoping to be able to be able to separate Casey from the JBP version (with ZG name mentioned by Casey yet again)? I've got to admit, that I currently have doubts as to who the author could be of this JBP version. However, if LPs crew is under oath and saying that Casey told it to them, then I would be solid in my thinking that Casey was on board with the story, no matter who thought it up.

She might be but I doubt it will happen.. ITA about casey being on board...

[Sun]

LOL..guess were on the same page..
I dont know either what the travel outside Orlando area was either.. When IMO he knew Caylee was only a short walk down the street. Why else would he have told dc if you find her DONT call LE call me?.. IIRC thats what dc made the bar complaint about ...Yes I doubt if they wanted her to run.. dang for some reason I was thinking she was with cindy..Maybe casey was thinking if I can pull it off in broad day light I might be able to sneak out like mom and lee did and get the hell out of here..Just never know what goes through her twisited mind..

3 more days to go count down for some more info.. usually not too long after a court hearing we get some more docs..

has media ever filed motion for the video of casey when Caylee's remains were found?

As I understand it, Cindy picked Casey up at Baez's office on Oct 14th to drive Casey back home. (that was after the press showed Baez giving a speech with Casey standing at his side ....the old "Casey is someone's child speech). I'm not sure of the route that Cindy took was the one normaly traveled, but somewhere under an overpass, didn't Casey jump out and get into the Bailbondsman's vehicle? (I should go back and re-read up on this, as my memory is not so good on the details). If you can find a link, let me know.

[happygert]

As I understand it, Cindy picked Casey up at Baez's office on Oct 14th to drive Casey back home. (that was after the press showed Baez giving a speech with Casey standing at his side ....the old "Casey is someone's child speech). I'm not sure of the route that Cindy took was the one normaly traveled, but somewhere under an overpass, didn't Casey jump out and get into the Bailbondsman's vehicle? (I should go back and re-read up on this, as my memory is not so good on the details). If you can find a link, let me know.

Yes that was the same day.. I think you're right.. lol.. that might be a probably for me finding any thing this early...lucky I remember where I put my computer.. I only sleep about 3 hours a night (if I'm lucky) so takes me a while to get the ole brain going...

[Sun]

LOL..guess were on the same page..

has media ever filed motion for the video of casey when Caylee's remains were found?

Here is the only entry that I could find on the Clerk of Courts records in regards to the media.

7/7/2009 A ORDER GRANTING WKMG LOCAL 6'S MOTION TO INTERVENE LOCAL 6 MAY INTERVENE IN THIS ACTION FOR THE LIMITED PURPOSE OF OPPOSING THE DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO SEAL A JAIL VIDEOTAPE TAKEN ON DEC 11TH 2008.

I'm not sure that I even want to see Casey's video taped reaction (unless it is shown to the jury). The two witness statements by Unser and Richardson are so descriptive, I can somewhat picture Casey's reaction in my mind. It's the sight of a panicky, angry Casey, fighting her restraints.

[desmom]

I see this motion by Lyon as a way to try and eliminate a problem that Baez created for Casey. I think that Casey did chat with LP's crew. And, I think that Lyon has no idea what Casey may have said to them. Do I think that Lyon will win this motion? No.

Good Morning All! :seeya:

bolding mine... IMO, Lyon has a lot of cleaning up to do regarding Casey's defense.

This case took JB's name from being just another attorney in the yellow pages to headline news. In the beginning he suffered from the same disorder the A's suffered from - mouth engaged before the brain.

jmo

[happygert]

Good Morning All! :seeya:

bolding mine... IMO, Lyon has a lot of cleaning up to do regarding Casey's defense.

This case took JB's name from being just another attorney in the yellow pages to headline news. In the beginning he suffered from the same disorder the A's suffered from - mouth engaged before the brain.

jmo

Good Morning desmom...lol.. now they still all suffer same thing lair syndrome..

[happygert]

Here is the only entry that I could find on the Clerk of Courts records in regards to the media.

7/7/2009 A ORDER GRANTING WKMG LOCAL 6'S MOTION TO INTERVENE LOCAL 6 MAY INTERVENE IN THIS ACTION FOR THE LIMITED PURPOSE OF OPPOSING THE DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO SEAL A JAIL VIDEOTAPE TAKEN ON DEC 11TH 2008.

I'm not sure that I even want to see Casey's video taped reaction (unless it is shown to the jury). The two witness statements by Unser and Richardson are so descriptive, I can somewhat picture Casey's reaction in my mind. It's the sight of a panicky, angry Casey, fighting her restraints.

Thanks.. wonder when they go to court on this..

[desmom]

As I understand it, Cindy picked Casey up at Baez's office on Oct 14th to drive Casey back home. (that was after the press showed Baez giving a speech with Casey standing at his side ....the old "Casey is someone's child speech). I'm not sure of the route that Cindy took was the one normaly traveled, but somewhere under an overpass, didn't Casey jump out and get into the Bailbondsman's vehicle? (I should go back and re-read up on this, as my memory is not so good on the details). If you can find a link, let me know.

Casey said they went via the airport because they knew the media helicopters could not follow them into restricted airspace and they thought the cars following them were the media.

All the cars the media use around here have decals or magnetic placards on the cars identifying them as media, but Casey said it, so it must be the truth. :lol:

jmo

[Sun]

Good Morning All! :seeya:

bolding mine... IMO, Lyon has a lot of cleaning up to do regarding Casey's defense.

This case took JB's name from being just another attorney in the yellow pages to headline news. In the beginning he suffered from the same disorder the A's suffered from - mouth engaged before the brain.

jmo

Good morning desmom! I don't think that Lyon will be successful in repairing all the damage that Baez has done, and it will probably be frustrating to wait while she tries. Casey just couldn't keep her mouth shut.

Will we see Baez take the stand to testify about the "oral agreement" that he "says" that he had with LP and his crew? I have no idea how this motion will be argued. Any ideas? Will LP have his own attorney in the courtroom as well?

[Sun]

Thanks.. wonder when they go to court on this..

Maybe never. Maybe the media could feel that airing the jail video publically could hurt their chance at having the trial happen in Orange County. That COV thingy. Judge Strickland did state that he'd viewed it, and that it was highly prejudicial.

[happygert]

Good morning desmom! I don't think that Lyon will be successful in repairing all the damage that Baez has done, and it will probably be frustrating to wait while she tries. Casey just couldn't keep her mouth shut.

Will we see Baez take the stand to testify about the "oral agreement" that he "says" that he had with LP and his crew? I have no idea how this motion will be argued. Any ideas? Will LP have his own attorney in the courtroom as well?

I'm guessing that the so called "ORAL" agreement will never fly.. got a contract stating they cant make any money. Also in writing LP and company was not hired by him.. then turn around and say it was an "ORAL" agreement sorry jb and al this dog dont hunt..

[happygert]

Casey said they went via the airport because they knew the media helicopters could not follow them into restricted airspace and they thought the cars following them were the media.

All the cars the media use around here have decals or magnetic placards on the cars identifying them as media, but Casey said it, so it must be the truth. :lol:

jmo

Exactly! can't miss those.. signs all over them..

[bchand]

Casey said they went via the airport because they knew the media helicopters could not follow them into restricted airspace and they thought the cars following them were the media.

All the cars the media use around here have decals or magnetic placards on the cars identifying them as media, but Casey said it, so it must be the truth. :lol:

jmo

Ohhhh this just reminded me of the super-star Cindy going up to the car window and telling the reporter - NO MORE EXCLUSIVES FOR YOU!!!!!

It all just keeps coming back to me why I dislike her so much.

[sammy62]

As I understand it, Cindy picked Casey up at Baez's office on Oct 14th to drive Casey back home. (that was after the press showed Baez giving a speech with Casey standing at his side ....the old "Casey is someone's child speech). I'm not sure of the route that Cindy took was the one normaly traveled, but somewhere under an overpass, didn't Casey jump out and get into the Bailbondsman's vehicle? (I should go back and re-read up on this, as my memory is not so good on the details). If you can find a link, let me know.

I didn't read on...so if someone had this link...sorry

In the first few minutes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIuyLdCOCG8&feature=related

[Sun]

I'm guessing that the so called "ORAL" agreement will never fly.. got a contract stating they cant make any money. Also in writing LP and company was not hired by him.. then turn around and say it was an "ORAL" agreement sorry jb and al this dog dont hunt..

Lyon's argument is asserting that LP and his crew were "agents" of Baez. When I read that signed Privacy Agreement, I interrept it to mean that LP and his crew are NOT agents of Baez. Lyon is asserting an "oral agreement" and I wonder how this will go down in the court hearing on Friday?

Does anyone think that Lyon will probably eventually try to go the same route with DCasey and Hoover? To try to get their statements and testimony from being heard by a jury? Or even Cindy and George for that matter? Did Baez speak to Casey in the Anthony home in front of others, about matters that he shouldn't have?

[happygert]

Lyon's argument is asserting that LP and his crew were "agents" of Baez. When I read that signed Privacy Agreement, I interrept it to mean that LP and his crew are NOT agents of Baez. Lyon is asserting an "oral agreement" and I wonder how this will go down in the court hearing on Friday?

Does anyone think that Lyon will probably eventually try to go the same route with DCasey and Hoover? To try to get their statements and testimony from being heard by a jury? Or even Cindy and George for that matter? Did Baez speak to Casey in the Anthony home in front of others, about matters that he shouldn't have?

Yes I sure do think she will try these same tactics ..just a waste hugh waste of time.. need to get busy on the real issues.. I know a lot will disagree with me and say these are real.. But IMO they are a waste of the Judges time..

[Bala]

On my hunt back in time to try to locate something in regards to "drywall" I stumbled across this link to Discovery, and got sidetracked. It's pretty good, but a bit dry until you get to page 3 though. Signed by both Melich and Allen.

http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18740699/detail.html
Thanks for this Sun. I've never read it before and had to go back this morning and read it again. So Cindy actual reported the Winnie the Pooh blanket missing before she knew it was with Caylee's remains.

[Sun]

Thanks sammy for that link. Listening to it now makes me think about the sur... recording that was made in that squad car when Casey was transported to the jail that day. (however, I remember just how horrible the audio was). Does anyone remember if a written transcript of that recording was ever released to the public?

[Barbara fl.]

Yes I sure do think she will try these same tactics ..just a waste hugh waste of time.. need to get busy on the real issues.. I know a lot will disagree with me and say these are real.. But IMO they are a waste of the Judges time..


I fully agree with you....There are main issues that the defense is not going to be able to get around....so I think they are trying to use a little psyche for the benefit of the potential juror's out there...because there is absolutely no reason for this....


But, as we know, there is really no defense in this case...they are picking at straws....I guess the defense is at a loss and any determent will help in anyway possible......but they are wrong...the main issues are there and are direct proof that Casey committed this murder of her child......JMO

[Barbara fl.]

Thanks for this Sun. I've never read it before and had to go back this morning and read it again. So Cindy actual reported the Winnie the Pooh blanket missing before she knew it was with Caylee's remains.


Yes, that is true...so she wont be able to recant that now that the blanket was found with Caylee's remains...But I keep remembering the jail house visit when Cindy tried t insinuate that Zanny had keys to their house and Casey confirmed it....that is why I do believe that Cindy was already preparing a defense incase the body was found...

I can not believe that ANYONE would stay in their home without changing their locks when they discovered that a stranger had keys...especially a friend of Casey's...I honestly believe that Cindy was tring to let Casey know what to say...JMO

[desmom]

Lyon's argument is asserting that LP and his crew were "agents" of Baez. When I read that signed Privacy Agreement, I interrept it to mean that LP and his crew are NOT agents of Baez. Lyon is asserting an "oral agreement" and I wonder how this will go down in the court hearing on Friday?

Does anyone think that Lyon will probably eventually try to go the same route with DCasey and Hoover? To try to get their statements and testimony from being heard by a jury? Or even Cindy and George for that matter? Did Baez speak to Casey in the Anthony home in front of others, about matters that he shouldn't have?

I agree on the privacy agreement. For the motion to mention the "oral agreement" makes me wonder if Lyon chewed JB out for his so called privacy agreement stating LP and Crew were NOT agents for JB. You know maybe JB had one of those "but, but we had an oral agreement" in a CYA moment.

jmo

[Bala]

Yes, that is true...so she wont be able to recant that now that the blanket was found with Caylee's remains...But I keep remembering the jail house visit when Cindy tried t insinuate that Zanny had keys to their house and Casey confirmed it....that is why I do believe that Cindy was already preparing a defense incase the body was found...

I can not believe that ANYONE would stay in their home without changing their locks when they discovered that a stranger had keys...especially a friend of Casey's...I honestly believe that Cindy was tring to let Casey know what to say...JMO
Why would Zanny need a key when she had doubles of everything and Casey didn't even need to bring things for Caylee withher.

[Sun]

I fully agree with you....There are main issues that the defense is not going to be able to get around....so I think they are trying to use a little psyche for the benefit of the potential juror's out there...because there is absolutely no reason for this....


But, as we know, there is really no defense in this case...they are picking at straws....I guess the defense is at a loss and any determent will help in anyway possible......but they are wrong...the main issues are there and are direct proof that Casey committed this murder of her child......JMO

It is the job of the defense. And, we just have to wait until they go through the motions to provide the defense that Casey is entitled to receive. I don't think that Lyon can unring the damage that both Casey and Baez have already done.

And, there are several issues in this case that aren't set in concrete. The defense is hoping for reasonable doubt, from at least one jury member. And, it is their right to work towards this goal.

...just to clarify. IMO, I do believe that Casey will be convicted.

[Sun]

Yes, that is true...so she wont be able to recant that now that the blanket was found with Caylee's remains...But I keep remembering the jail house visit when Cindy tried t insinuate that Zanny had keys to their house and Casey confirmed it....that is why I do believe that Cindy was already preparing a defense incase the body was found...
I can not believe that ANYONE would stay in their home without changing their locks when they discovered that a stranger had keys...especially a friend of Casey's...I honestly believe that Cindy was tring to let Casey know what to say...JMO

ITA. Doesn't make any sense that the Anthonys didn't immediately have their house locks changed. Even during those 31 days, when they had to have known that someone was coming into the home and taking things. (shucks, Casey was supposed to be out of town according to the stories that Cindy told LE).

Guess that if there was a key, then there was a Zanny (....seems to me that the Anthonys didn't believe there was a Zanny, or they would have had their locks changed)

[Sun]

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20089842/detail.html

I get a good laugh at reading towards the bottom of Page2 of this Brief in support of the motion to bar LP and his crew's testimony. The word "effective" is italicized

effective assistant of counsel

[Barbara fl.]

Why would Zanny need a key when she had doubles of everything and Casey didn't even need to bring things for Caylee withher.

Having duplicates of items doesn't exactly mean that they will be from the same lot number...It would be pretty hard to believe by any jury that Zanny went to all the same exact stores to purchase the same exact items that Caylee already had...

It just is no feasable....

Cindy could have started to worry immediately, thinking that Caylee's remains would be found and that anything with Caylee would be placed at being in their home.....so what better way to try and curve that would be to insinuate that Zanny had keys to their home and went in and took these items out....JMO

[sammy62]

Thanks sammy for that link. Listening to it now makes me think about the sur... recording that was made in that squad car when Casey was transported to the jail that day. (however, I remember just how horrible the audio was). Does anyone remember if a written transcript of that recording was ever released to the public?

I didn't have a written transcript...but here is the audio

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiq6BEW7ygA

[Barbara fl.]

ITA. Doesn't make any sense that the Anthonys didn't immediately have their house locks changed. Even during those 31 days, when they had to have known that someone was coming into the home and taking things. (shucks, Casey was supposed to be out of town according to the stories that Cindy told LE).

Guess that if there was a key, then there was a Zanny (....seems to me that the Anthonys didn't believe there was a Zanny, or they would have had their locks changed)


Correct....Like when Cindy tried to say that "if there was a dog there must have been a Zanny"....These people are pulling straws and they are very transparent....

One time my son let a girlfriend use his car and my house keys were on the key ring....I didn't particulary like this girlfriend and the same day I called a locksmith in to change my locks.....No way would I stay in a house knowing that a stranger had keys to it.....and I can not think of too many people that would....

[*Serenity*]

chuckles.... your thought process on this is much like mine.

Prior to Oct 14th, Baez had filed a motion to allow Casey "to travel" with him around the Orlando area, to be able to help with her defense. As of her arrest on Oct 14th, Judge Strickland hadn't yet handed down his ruling on that motion (IIRC). I have always thought that this "switching cars" was an effort to evade the media, and to go outside the rules of her probation (so that she could indeed "travel", without the courts approval). Plain and simple, they got caught.

I have no clue if "traveling" was to point out to Baez where she dumped Caylee, or if it was in an effort for Casey to just feed Baez more lies. ...she was in the Bailbondsman's vehicle, and I doubt they wanted her to get away though.

I remember Tim Miller talking about the Anthony's after his visit to their home when they met for plans to find Caylee, and Casey came out of her room maybe once, she let Cindy take care of Tim Miller. Casey had no interest what so ever to discuss finding Caylee in front of Tim.

[Barbara fl.]

It is the job of the defense. And, we just have to wait until they go through the motions to provide the defense that Casey is entitled to receive. I don't think that Lyon can unring the damage that both Casey and Baez have already done.

And, there are several issues in this case that aren't set in concrete. The defense is hoping for reasonable doubt, from at least one jury member. And, it is their right to work towards this goal.

...just to clarify. IMO, I do believe that Casey will be convicted.


Oh, I'm not wronging the defense...that is their job...What I am saying is that they are pulling at straws and their reasoning for some of their actions have a motive...and that is to reach any potential juror's out there......Some cases even the lawyers know are a losing case...and this is one of those type of cases....therefore they are trying to seek out that one weak juror that can make this a "dead lock".....Baez and the rest wont care after that because they achieved their goal....and they wont be rehandling the case on a retrial..

But I even doubt that even one juror will buy it...my guess is that she will be found guilty first go round....jmo

[crimeq]

Casey said they went via the airport because they knew the media helicopters could not follow them into restricted airspace and they thought the cars following them were the media.

All the cars the media use around here have decals or magnetic placards on the cars identifying them as media, but Casey said it, so it must be the truth. :lol:

jmo

What difference would it have made anyway, if the media were following them? The media knew where they were headed at that time, didn't they? They knew the endpoint and could wait there.

The only reason they wouldn't know that is if this were a secretly-arranged or unannounced trip (frankly, it was so long ago I don't remember the details of this day).

In any event, you're right, media vehicles are emblazoned with their station markers--it's a form of ID as well as a marketing medium for them.

[crimeq]

Why would Zanny need a key when she had doubles of everything and Casey didn't even need to bring things for Caylee withher.

Besides which, being invisible, she could probably pass right through the door anyway :rolleyes:

[*Serenity*]

I went to youtube last night and replayed all 8 clips of Casey's crazy interview with LE @ Universal -- just reminded me of so many things about this case when you look back to the beginning. When the jury hears all of this and then gets fed the rest of the evidence against her she will be convicted and I am pretty confident she will end up the death penalty.

[Sun]

Could the fact that Casey wasn't arrested for Caylee's murder until Oct 14th, have any bearing on the defense's Motion to bar LP and his crews testimony? Casey was only out on Padilla's bond from August 21 through August 29, and Casey had not yet been charged for murder.

From a legal standpoint?

[Sun]

What difference would it have made anyway, if the media were following them? The media knew where they were headed at that time, didn't they? They knew the endpoint and could wait there.

The only reason they wouldn't know that is if this were a secretly-arranged or unannounced trip (frankly, it was so long ago I don't remember the details of this day).

In any event, you're right, media vehicles are emblazoned with their station markers--it's a form of ID as well as a marketing medium for them.

Seems pretty clear cut to me. Casey wanted to go somewhere "in secret" without the media following her. That is why Baez filed the motion asking that Casey be allowed "to travel" and why he didn't want to ask or tell the agency responsible for monitoring Casey about the location/time of the travel. Too bad that LE didn't make someone pay for that stunt.

[Myka]

ok, so we all know Casey sent a text saying (paraphrasing) she figured out the smell from her car was from 2 dead squirrels plastered to her frame of her car and it's quite clear the text was sent as a "cover up"


Who else besides the Ants and the impound yard guy smelled the decomp smell from Casey's car? Has any of her friends said they also smelled decomp?

TIA

[*Serenity*]

One part in the first interviews when LE ask Casey why they are at Universal-- she replies something like she thought maybe Zanny
would appear there, afterall she talked to Caylee on the phone
the day before. It was hysterical to hear LE ask Casey if she
thought maybe Caylee being 2 years old and all, might call a
cab and just appear. Of course this is the initial comment
backwards kind of way to locate her child.

LE did make it very clear that even after 31 days she still did not
report her child missing her Mother did. AND then LE ask her
why didn't she phone LE after she spoke with Caylee the day
before.

In my mind after we hear al of this I keep thinking about her
calling 911 for LE to assist when she was out of jail--when
the protestors were out of control. SO-- it will be clear to the
jury that she thought nothing of calling 911 for her missing
child but called 911 for her parents/herself safety.

Just old stuff I am rehasing but interesting pieces to this whacky
puzzle.

[Sun]

I went to youtube last night and replayed all 8 clips of Casey's crazy interview with LE @ Universal -- just reminded me of so many things about this case when you look back to the beginning. When the jury hears all of this and then gets fed the rest of the evidence against her she will be convicted and I am pretty confident she will end up the death penalty.

Yes, some of the videos and interviews from July and August of 2008 contain a lot. It would be a crushing blow to Lyon if Casey is given the death penalty.

[Barbara fl.]

Besides which, being invisible, she could probably pass right through the door anyway :rolleyes:



Good answer...very good...:lol:

[Barbara fl.]

One part in the first interviews when LE ask Casey why they are at Universal-- she replies something like she thought maybe Zanny
would appear there, afterall she talked to Caylee on the phone
the day before. It was hysterical to hear LE ask Casey if she
thought maybe Caylee being 2 years old and all, might call a
cab and just appear. Of course this is the initial comment
backwards kind of way to locate her child.

LE did make it very clear that even after 31 days she still did not
report her child missing her Mother did. AND then LE ask her
why didn't she phone LE after she spoke with Caylee the day
before.

In my mind after we hear al of this I keep thinking about her
calling 911 for LE to assist when she was out of jail--when
the protestors were out of control. SO-- it will be clear to the
jury that she thought nothing of calling 911 for her missing
child but called 911 for her parents/herself safety.

Just old stuff I am rehasing but interesting pieces to this whacky
puzzle.



I never looked at it that way...you are so right....It shows that she certainly knows how to dial 911, just not for her missing 2 year old....

[Sun]

ok, so we all know Casey sent a text saying (paraphrasing) she figured out the smell from her car was from 2 dead squirrels plastered to her frame of her car and it's quite clear the text was sent as a "cover up"


Who else besides the Ants and the impound yard guy smelled the decomp smell from Casey's car? Has any of her friends said they also smelled decomp?

TIA

Melich testified in the bond hearing that the odor of the car was that of decomposition, from a dead body. (or something like that)

I don't recall any of Casey's friends saying that they had smelled an odor coming from Casey or her car.

[Bala]

ok, so we all know Casey sent a text saying (paraphrasing) she figured out the smell from her car was from 2 dead squirrels plastered to her frame of her car and it's quite clear the text was sent as a "cover up"


Who else besides the Ants and the impound yard guy smelled the decomp smell from Casey's car? Has any of her friends said they also smelled decomp?

TIA
Isn't it interesting that she or her dad ran over 2 squirrels at the same time. What are the chances.

[Sun]

One part in the first interviews when LE ask Casey why they are at Universal-- she replies something like she thought maybe Zanny
would appear there, afterall she talked to Caylee on the phone
the day before. It was hysterical to hear LE ask Casey if she
thought maybe Caylee being 2 years old and all, might call a
cab and just appear. Of course this is the initial comment
backwards kind of way to locate her child.

LE did make it very clear that even after 31 days she still did not
report her child missing her Mother did. AND then LE ask her
why didn't she phone LE after she spoke with Caylee the day
before.

In my mind after we hear al of this I keep thinking about her
calling 911 for LE to assist when she was out of jail--when
the protestors were out of control. SO-- it will be clear to the
jury that she thought nothing of calling 911 for her missing
child but called 911 for her parents/herself safety.

Just old stuff I am rehasing but interesting pieces to this whacky
puzzle.

Casey contradicts herself.

Casey told LE that she didn't dial 911 to report Caylee missing because she feared for her family's safety. Yet, Casey dialed 911 to get LE to "come quick" because she feared for George and Cindy's safety from the protestors.

[Myka]

Melich testified in the bond hearing that the odor of the car was that of decomposition, from a dead body. (or something like that)

I don't recall any of Casey's friends saying that they had smelled an odor coming from Casey or her car.


thanks! I just wanted to know if any of her friends had smelled decomp from her car.

[Bala]

Besides which, being invisible, she could probably pass right through the door anyway :rolleyes:
That's too funny. Thanks for the laugh needed it today.

[Myka]

Isn't it interesting that she or her dad ran over 2 squirrels at the same time. What are the chances.

right! I know they are not skilled in killing squirrels with a car lol

[breezie]

Could the fact that Casey wasn't arrested for Caylee's murder until Oct 14th, have any bearing on the defense's Motion to bar LP and his crews testimony? Casey was only out on Padilla's bond from August 21 through August 29, and Casey had not yet been charged for murder.

From a legal standpoint?


I believe LP's bond went much longer, didn't it? I remember others put up the little bonds for the check charges, but I don't remember him trying to pull bond that early. Seems like it was much later in the game.

I guess not after googling. Wow...seems like it was much longer that Padilla was in there. I guess it's all the TV appearances after that makes it seem that way.

[Tia]

Correct....Like when Cindy tried to say that "if there was a dog there must have been a Zanny"....These people are pulling straws and they are very transparent....

One time my son let a girlfriend use his car and my house keys were on the key ring....I didn't particulary like this girlfriend and the same day I called a locksmith in to change my locks.....No way would I stay in a house knowing that a stranger had keys to it.....and I can not think of too many people that would....

Good morning!!!

(bolding mine)

Especially when Cindy was blabbing away to the media about them being in "danger" and how Casey was "protecting" them..........HELLO! If this "dangerous" person had keys to my house, the locks would be changed for SURE! All this tells me is that Cindy was, as usual, lying. They all knew Casey did something with Caylee and there was no Zanny.

[JHP]

Isn't it interesting that she or her dad ran over 2 squirrels at the same time. What are the chances.

I'm sorry for not looking this up myself, But does anyone recall if Casey said it was George that took care of the smell? Was he the one that scraped the squirrels off?

[*Serenity*]

I never looked at it that way...you are so right....It shows that she certainly knows how to dial 911, just not for her missing 2 year old....

Yea.. no kidding.

Another part of Casey's own words: LE ask if she gave the Nanny any money when she dropped her child off and she says: NO.. if I wanted to get rid of her I would have left her with my parents.

I think even if Casey wanted to put a stop to the mess of finding Caylee and tell where she dropped her off in the woods, she simply
couldn't no matter what because of duct tape around her head
and the evidence she threw in those trash bags/laundry bag. She
performed such a cold murder to her daughter and she knew it--
knew very well she could never tell where Caylee was.

[sammy62]

Correct....Like when Cindy tried to say that "if there was a dog there must have been a Zanny"....These people are pulling straws and they are very transparent....

One time my son let a girlfriend use his car and my house keys were on the key ring....I didn't particulary like this girlfriend and the same day I called a locksmith in to change my locks.....No way would I stay in a house knowing that a stranger had keys to it.....and I can not think of too many people that would....

Well what I can't understand is people who lock their shed so gas cans can't be stolen, but leave cash. credit cards and check books laying around.

[martha]

Good morning everyone, I hope fri.brings us some good news. I know all the def.is trying to do is keep putting of any trial on casey. So far it is working. oh well she is sitting in jail and that is great. May she sit there for the rest of her life. The other an;s should be in there with her.jmho you all have a very good day.:wub:

[Bala]

I'm sorry for not looking this up myself, But does anyone recall if Casey said it was George that took care of the smell? Was he the one that scraped the squirrels off?
What Squirrels they were as invisible as the nanny.

[Sun]

Good morning everyone, I hope fri.brings us some good news. I know all the def.is trying to do is keep putting of any trial on casey. So far it is working. oh well she is sitting in jail and that is great. May she sit there for the rest of her life. The other an;s should be in there with her.jmho you all have a very good day.:wub:

Good morning martha! Friday's court hearing should be interesting. I expect that Lyon will be the one seated in that #1 chair at the defense table. Let's see if she has also made changes to Casey's attire or demeanor.

I sure wish that the media would publish Casey's Inmate Visitor's Log, so that we could see if Lyon has visited Casey in the Jail.

[enigma™]

If it does not fit, you must acquit! Maybe that is Jose's (Juanny's) defense? :tonguewag:

[Sun]

Casey must be bored to tears by now. Sitting on her bum, sleeping her days/nights away. With the big events of the day being the three meals served to her, selecting commissary purchases, and her one hour that she is allowed out of her cell (can only shower every other day though). Anyone know if inmates in "protective custody" are allowed writing materials such as pen or pencil?

[Katprint]

Maybe never. Maybe the media could feel that airing the jail video publically could hurt their chance at having the trial happen in Orange County. That COV thingy. Judge Strickland did state that he'd viewed it, and that it was highly prejudicial.
Judge Strickland's comment about the jail video being "highly prejudicial" really makes me wonder what in the world was on the jail video. I actually felt a little sympathetic towards Casey after hearing the jail deputies' verbal descriptions that Casey complained her handcuffs were too tight but they "knew" the handcuffs were not too tight without bothering to check their tightness, that Casey continued to fidget and her hands became clammy, that Casey was intentionally kept from her attorney who was at that moment trying to get in to see her, that Casey was not brought to the infirmary area at the request of any medical/psychological professional but rather at the request of law enforcement officials, that the purpose was not treatment but rather indirect interrogation, etc.

I did not feel that Casey became becoming emotional when she learned that a child's skeletal remains had been discovered near her parents' residence was particularly probative of guilt or innocence. I respectfully disagree with the talking heads who insist that "only the murderer" could have known the identity of those remains. I immediately knew - from 2800 miles away - that the skeletal remains would turn out to be Caylee's. Figuring this out - and becoming emotional about it - is not competent evidence of guilt and, IMO, is not "highly prejudicial."

So, what was the "highly prejudicial" part of the video? Was there something that the deputies did not see/hear? Something like Casey telling Baez, "They found where I put her!" or "But that's not where I put her!" or some other incriminating statement like that? Or maybe Casey and Baez engaging in inappropriately intimate physical contact? Enquiring minds want to know!

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[JHP]

What Squirrels they were as invisible as the nanny.

I know they were invisisquirrels. However I am of the opinion at least 1 of the A's helped Casey.
I was thinking if Casey used the statement that my dad scraped the squirrels.
Using the Casey tells the truth when she lies formula, that translates into Georges help with disposal of poor Caylee. IMO

I just couldn't remember what her text to Amy was.

[Sun]

Judge Strickland's comment about the jail video being "highly prejudicial" really makes me wonder what in the world was on the jail video. I actually felt a little sympathetic towards Casey after hearing the jail deputies' verbal descriptions that Casey complained her handcuffs were too tight but they "knew" the handcuffs were not too tight without bothering to check their tightness, that Casey continued to fidget and her hands became clammy, that Casey was intentionally kept from her attorney who was at that moment trying to get in to see her, that Casey was not brought to the infirmary area at the request of any medical/psychological professional but rather at the request of law enforcement officials, that the purpose was not treatment but rather indirect interrogation, etc.

I did not feel that Casey became becoming emotional when she learned that a child's skeletal remains had been discovered near her parents' residence was particularly probative of guilt or innocence. I respectfully disagree with the talking heads who insist that "only the murderer" could have known the identity of those remains. I immediately knew - from 2800 miles away - that the skeletal remains would turn out to be Caylee's. Figuring this out - and becoming emotional about it - is not competent evidence of guilt and, IMO, is not "highly prejudicial."

So, what was the "highly prejudicial" part of the video? Was there something that the deputies did not see/hear? Something like Casey telling Baez, "They found where I put her!" or "But that's not where I put her!" or some other incriminating statement like that? Or maybe Casey and Baez engaging in inappropriately intimate physical contact? Enquiring minds want to know!

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

The discovery makes reference of two videos taken at the jail on Dec 11th. I am curious if Judge Strickland's comment was in reference to the first video, or the second one (I'm thinking that the second one may have been when Baez could have been present).

[Barbara fl.]

Yea.. no kidding.

Another part of Casey's own words: LE ask if she gave the Nanny any money when she dropped her child off and she says: NO.. if I wanted to get rid of her I would have left her with my parents.

I think even if Casey wanted to put a stop to the mess of finding Caylee and tell where she dropped her off in the woods, she simply
couldn't no matter what because of duct tape around her head
and the evidence she threw in those trash bags/laundry bag. She
performed such a cold murder to her daughter and she knew it--
knew very well she could never tell where Caylee was.


That's right...As soon as I heard that Casey was given a certain time to fess up and tell where Caylee was and she refused, I knew this was no accident....The tape was used as the murder weapon and there was no way Casey wanted the body to be found....And I believe that C & G knew at that time that Casey had murdered Caylee and they too didn't want the body to be found because they knew what that would mean...George knows good and well that Casey was going to be charged.....That is why they were so much against Tim Miller because they knew that Tim Miller was looking for a body.....

There is no doubt in my mind that if they could have found Caylee's remains before LE, the body would have been hidden....

[Barbara fl.]

Well what I can't understand is people who lock their shed so gas cans can't be stolen, but leave cash. credit cards and check books laying around.


Possibly G&C thought that if Casey was mad enough she would burn down the house with them in it....I too tend to believe that...If a woman can murder her own child and not bat an eyelash, one can only assume that she was capable of killing her whole family, if she thought she could get away with it....

Something that I know the Anthony's have thought about....that's why, if they were smart, they would leave her right where she is....(but i'm sure they know she is in anycase)

[cassidy]

So, what was the "highly prejudicial" part of the video? Was there something that the deputies did not see/hear? Something like Casey telling Baez, "They found where I put her!" or "But that's not where I put her!" or some other incriminating statement like that? Or maybe Casey and Baez engaging in inappropriately intimate physical contact? Enquiring minds want to know!

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

****snipped****
Now you've piqued my interest. I want to know what's on that tape.

[bchand]

<<respecfully snipped to address bolded>>

I did not feel that Casey became becoming emotional when she learned that a child's skeletal remains had been discovered near her parents' residence was particularly probative of guilt or innocence. I respectfully disagree with the talking heads who insist that "only the murderer" could have known the identity of those remains. I immediately knew - from 2800 miles away - that the skeletal remains would turn out to be Caylee's. Figuring this out - and becoming emotional about it - is not competent evidence of guilt and, IMO, is not "highly prejudicial."

So, what was the "highly prejudicial" part of the video? Was there something that the deputies did not see/hear? Something like Casey telling Baez, "They found where I put her!" or "But that's not where I put her!" or some other incriminating statement like that? Or maybe Casey and Baez engaging in inappropriately intimate physical contact? Enquiring minds want to know!

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

I was AS upset and worried about the body that was found on December 11th as I was about the possible bones found earlier at Blanchard Park. Casey was not. There's the difference IMO>

[martha]

Good morning martha! Friday's court hearing should be interesting. I expect that Lyon will be the one seated in that #1 chair at the defense table. Let's see if she has also made changes to Casey's attire or demeanor.

I sure wish that the media would publish Casey's Inmate Visitor's Log, so that we could see if Lyon has visited Casey in the Jail.Hi Sun, I wonder if she gets the dp of the table will jb be first chair then? If casey wants a good lawyer to help her at the trial she better keep Lyon on as first chair. I think they or going to try and prove casey did not put her there but then what about the 31 days and the car? I think they have an up hill battle but who knows they may come up with something that will give the jury resonable doubt but if casey did this I sure hope she has to pay for what she did. CAYLEE was treated like trash and that baby did not deserve that. It just makes me sick how c and g or living of of CAYLEE now and none of the a;s seem to care about CAYLEE now. Just get money and get casey out of this.That is all they or worried about.jmho

[Katprint]

That's right...As soon as I heard that Casey was given a certain time to fess up and tell where Caylee was and she refused, I knew this was no accident....The tape was used as the murder weapon and there was no way Casey wanted the body to be found....And I believe that C & G knew at that time that Casey had murdered Caylee and they too didn't want the body to be found because they knew what that would mean...George knows good and well that Casey was going to be charged.....That is why they were so much against Tim Miller because they knew that Tim Miller was looking for a body.....

There is no doubt in my mind that if they could have found Caylee's remains before LE, the body would have been hidden....
My thoughts are similar to yours. I think that when Cindy was threatening to have Casey arrested for the stolen car and stolen money (Cindy's original reason for calling 9-1-1) she thought maybe Casey had sold Caylee in a black market adoption or maybe Caylee was being held as security for money Casey had borrowed/stolen or there was some other small hope that Caylee was alive out there somewhere and that the threat of jail would coerce Casey into telling Cindy where Caylee was. Then, when it became clear that Casey was truly unable to produce an alive Caylee, Cindy realized that Caylee was most likely dead and Cindy went into cover-up mode.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Barbara fl.]

Judge Strickland's comment about the jail video being "highly prejudicial" really makes me wonder what in the world was on the jail video. I actually felt a little sympathetic towards Casey after hearing the jail deputies' verbal descriptions that Casey complained her handcuffs were too tight but they "knew" the handcuffs were not too tight without bothering to check their tightness, that Casey continued to fidget and her hands became clammy, that Casey was intentionally kept from her attorney who was at that moment trying to get in to see her, that Casey was not brought to the infirmary area at the request of any medical/psychological professional but rather at the request of law enforcement officials, that the purpose was not treatment but rather indirect interrogation, etc.

I did not feel that Casey became becoming emotional when she learned that a child's skeletal remains had been discovered near her parents' residence was particularly probative of guilt or innocence. I respectfully disagree with the talking heads who insist that "only the murderer" could have known the identity of those remains. I immediately knew - from 2800 miles away - that the skeletal remains would turn out to be Caylee's. Figuring this out - and becoming emotional about it - is not competent evidence of guilt and, IMO, is not "highly prejudicial."

So, what was the "highly prejudicial" part of the video? Was there something that the deputies did not see/hear? Something like Casey telling Baez, "They found where I put her!" or "But that's not where I put her!" or some other incriminating statement like that? Or maybe Casey and Baez engaging in inappropriately intimate physical contact? Enquiring minds want to know!

Katprint
Always only my own opinions


Could it possibly be that Judge Strickland thought that if he allowed the video that later it would be used against LE and be grounds for a mistrial? He may have just used the reason that it was "highly prejudicial" as not to seem that he felt that it was inappropriate...

I understand that Casey has rights like every other person going on trial, and even though we don't like her for what she has done, that would not take away from her rights....

It would be something simular to the glove not fittng on OJ and finding out that it had been put there by a detective.....Sometimes LE could want someone to be found guilty so bad (because they know they are)that they can screw up the whole case by pulling a stunt....

That is why I always said that LE should stick to the true facts that can not be argued down or proven wrong, nothing else, just the true facts should be enough....

[martha]

Possibly G&C thought that if Casey was mad enough she would burn down the house with them in it....I too tend to believe that...If a woman can murder her own child and not bat an eyelash, one can only assume that she was capable of killing her whole family, if she thought she could get away with it....

Something that I know the Anthony's have thought about....that's why, if they were smart, they would leave her right where she is....(but i'm sure they know she is in anycase)You or so right if you could kill your own baby and throw her to rot or for things to eat on her then she can do anything. c and g better think about that.if she gets out they could be next. If I was them I sure would think about that. casey don;t love anyone but her self. jmho:wub:

[Barbara fl.]

My thoughts are similar to yours. I think that when Cindy was threatening to have Casey arrested for the stolen car and stolen money (Cindy's original reason for calling 9-1-1) she thought maybe Casey had sold Caylee in a black market adoption or maybe Caylee was being held as security for money Casey had borrowed/stolen or there was some other small hope that Caylee was alive out there somewhere and that the threat of jail would coerce Casey into telling Cindy where Caylee was. Then, when it became clear that Casey was truly unable to produce an alive Caylee, Cindy realized that Caylee was most likely dead and Cindy went into cover-up mode.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions



That is exactly my theory....

[martha]

My thoughts are similar to yours. I think that when Cindy was threatening to have Casey arrested for the stolen car and stolen money (Cindy's original reason for calling 9-1-1) she thought maybe Casey had sold Caylee in a black market adoption or maybe Caylee was being held as security for money Casey had borrowed/stolen or there was some other small hope that Caylee was alive out there somewhere and that the threat of jail would coerce Casey into telling Cindy where Caylee was. Then, when it became clear that Casey was truly unable to produce an alive Caylee, Cindy realized that Caylee was most likely dead and Cindy went into cover-up mode.

Katprint
Always only my own opinionsYou or so right I think that is what happened to. That is why the last 911 call sound so frantick. cindy knew then CAYLEE was dead. I can understand why cindy wanted to choake her at thet time. I would have wanted to do that too or worse. Lee and g would have had to keep me of of casey when I knew she had done something to caylee. cindy could see it on casey's face I guess becase we know our children well. It has been cover up all this time now. I wish one of them had a heart so one day they would have to tell the truth. so far none do. jmho:wub:

[sydney]

Yes, that is true...so she wont be able to recant that now that the blanket was found with Caylee's remains...But I keep remembering the jail house visit when Cindy tried t insinuate that Zanny had keys to their house and Casey confirmed it....that is why I do believe that Cindy was already preparing a defense incase the body was found...

I can not believe that ANYONE would stay in their home without changing their locks when they discovered that a stranger had keys...especially a friend of Casey's...I honestly believe that Cindy was tring to let Casey know what to say...JMO

(bold is mine) don't forget, a friend they never met, had no address or phone information, either.

[Barbara fl.]

(bold is mine) don't forget, a friend they never met, had no address or phone information, either.


Oh, believe me, there is no doubt in my mind that Cindy and George both know that Zanny has never existed....so all the covering up they are trying is not going to get over....the prosecution will tear them apart on the stand...

[cassidy]

That is exactly my theory....

And mine as well. Cindy was trying desperately to get Casey to tell her what she did with Caylee. When she finally realized that Casey had killed her she started back peddling furiously and hasn't let up yet.

[Sun]

According to Annie Downing, Caylee was so tied to Casey. Up until the time that Caylee was 2 1/2 yrs old, no one but Casey could hold Caylee. Not even Annie, and Casey and Caylee visited her at least 5 days a week back in 2007. If Casey had to go to the bathroom and not take Caylee, Caylee would scream.

Jan 2009 LE interview with Annie (part 2)
http://cfnews13.com/uploadedfiles/audio/AnnieDowningpt2.wma

[martha]

Yes the whole a;s bunch knew there was no nanny. george said cindy and he keep CAYLEE 99% of the time. why would casey even need a baby sitter. As CAYLEE was getting older cindy needed casey to take care of her more. I wish we had the web cam back up at the an;s house. I wonder if they have took all of CAYLEE'S STUFF out of the back yard. c and g told on them selfs when they went home and searched their own back yard. They knew casey had done something to CAYLEE from the night cindy found casey. Lee know it to that is why he is laying low. I would have felt sorry for c and g had they not gone into cover up. I don;t care who it is anyone that had any part in what has happened to CAYLEE I sure want to see them punished. that goes for the ones that or helping cover up things too. I wish I could go down there for the trial. I would love to be there for CAYLEE. I love the picture I have seen of her with wings. she looks like an angel. I know God is taken good care of her now and she will not be hurt again.Maybe God took her out of that family for a good reason. Every thing he does is for a good reason. I just have to remember that.jmho

[Sun]

Annie also told LE in that interview that Casey told her that "everything that she has said was something that she was told to say."

How on earth could the defense team build a defense for Casey around this? ...oh well, Lyon is now on the Casey, so this old strategy may be out the window.

[Barbara fl.]

Annie also told LE in that interview that Casey told her that "everything that she has said was something that she was told to say."

How on earth could the defense team build a defense for Casey around this? ...oh well, Lyon is now on the Casey, so this old strategy may be out the window.


Strategy is one thing...trying to change what has already been said is another....

If I was an attorney in this case, the only strategy that I would use would be to find holes in the prosecutions case....I would lay on everything that the presecution is alledging to be the truth but has no proof of it...or it can be interpreted in different ways...That is why I don't understand the defense trying to keep out the tapes of Casey's reaction when Caylee's remains were found...If I was a defense attorney, I would have left it in and then used it against the prosecution for submitting it as unethical....and say something like "if the prosecution has to go to this length to to prove someone guilty then they must not have a strong case".....that is why I hope the prosecution just sticks with the facts that can not be argued (they certainly have enough to convict)..

The defense really has no defense here, strategy is going to be the whole trial....

[Sun]

When Annie stayed overnight with Casey, they slept in Casey's bedroom. Cindy also slept in Casey's bedroom, on the air mattress.

They told Annie that George had went back to work, and he wasn't home that night. (huh????? Did we know that George went back to work?)

[margaritaville]

I never looked at it that way...you are so right....It shows that she certainly knows how to dial 911, just not for her missing 2 year old....

But lets not forget that Casey said "I’ve been looking for her and have gone through other resources to try to find her, which was stupid."

So she was looking for her (not sure where she was looking- the bottom of cocktail glasses at Fusion?) so she didn't need the police.

[margaritaville]

Good morning!!!

(bolding mine)

Especially when Cindy was blabbing away to the media about them being in "danger" and how Casey was "protecting" them..........HELLO! If this "dangerous" person had keys to my house, the locks would be changed for SURE! All this tells me is that Cindy was, as usual, lying. They all knew Casey did something with Caylee and there was no Zanny.


Is it documented some where that they din't change the locks? I mean, how do we know this??

MOO

[snap4]

because with people and news crews and LE having their house and them under constant survelience someone would have nticed a locksmith changing the locks...so it never happened.
IMO

[margaritaville]

Well what I can't understand is people who lock their shed so gas cans can't be stolen, but leave cash. credit cards and check books laying around.

Especially after the fact that their daughter spent $40,000 to $45,000 dollars of theirs!
How could they keep allowing that to happen?

Anyone think that Casey's friend Annie could be right and that she wasn't "smart enough"to do this alone
and this $40,000 to $45,000 could have gone to someone else, someone helping her in some way or another?
I know that would mean that she had to have planned the murder far in advance.....But I believe she did.
She was searching back in March for chloroform, missing children, neck breaking......

Was she able to get cash from these credit cards?
I know I can from mine... I just can't imagine that Casey didn't have enough gas for her car but had stolen over $40,000....
I have always thought Casey did this alone.But every now and then I wonder where the $45,000 went....When she couldn't even through
$5.00 in her gas tank!!


MOO

pg 16
http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18740699/detail.html

Shirley Plesea, where she told authorities that over time - Casey Anthony stole as much as $45,000 from her parents.
http://mhutch.blogspot.com/2009/03/cindy-anthonys-mother-shirley-plesea.html

[cassidy]

Is it documented some where that they din't change the locks? I mean, how do we know this??

MOO

IMO we know this because we didn't hear Cindy complain about having to do it. The expense and all, ya know?

JMO

[Sun]

Is it documented some where that they din't change the locks? I mean, how do we know this??

MOO

I can't recall if LE/FBI asked that question of Cindy in her interviews, or if they did, if she answered it.

We know that George never called 911 in regards to a break in of the Anthony home (so Casey's key must have still worked). The Anthony home was under some fairly major media coverage shortly after July 16th, and if the locks had been changed, surely the media would have said something.

Re-listening to Annie's (part 2) interview with LE, Casey is pointing to Jesse as someone who may have done something to her car while it was parked at the Amscot. (I hope his cell phone pings will prove that he was never in that part of town during the time that the car was parked at the Amscot)...... may be why Baez wants those records from Jesse.

[snap4]

Especially after the fact that their daughter spent $40,000 to $45,000 dollars of theirs!
How could they keep allowing that to happen?

Anyone think that Casey's friend Annie could be right and that she wasn't "smart enough"to do this alone
and this $40,000 to $45,000 could have gone to someone else, someone helping her in some way or another?
I know that would mean that she had to have planned the murder far in advance.....But I believe she did.
She was searching back in March for chloroform, missing children, neck breaking......

Was she able to get cash from these credit cards?
I know I can from mine... I just can't imagine that Casey didn't have enough gas for her car but had stolen over $40,000....


I have always thought Casey did this alone.But every now and then I wonder where the $45,000 went....When she couldn't even through
$5.00 in her gas tank!!


MOO

pg 16
http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18740699/detail.html

Shirley Plesea, where she told authorities that over time - Casey Anthony stole as much as $45,000 from her parents.
http://mhutch.blogspot.com/2009/03/cindy-anthonys-mother-shirley-plesea.html

Well first of all I don't beleive she was smart enough to pull this off or she wouldn't be sitting in jail. I think she thought she was smart enough...there is a difference. I am not convinced she had anyone help her there is absolutely no evidence to support that theory.

The way I took what Shirley was saying, is that over time, Casey took that much money and since she hadn't worked in years, there was ample time to spend that amount of money on all her frivilous stuff. But I think since she got caught agian taking money she knew she couldn't use that resource again so soon so, she took Amy's money...then when that ran out she was screwed, hence running out of gas.
JMO

[snap4]

I can't recall if LE/FBI asked that question of Cindy in her interviews, or if they did, if she answered it.

We know that George never called 911 in regards to a break in of the Anthony home (so Casey's key must have still worked). The Anthony home was under some fairly major media coverage shortly after July 16th, and if the locks had been changed, surely the media would have said something.

Re-listening to Annie's (part 2) interview with LE, Casey is pointing to Jesse as someone who may have done something to her car while it was parked at the Amscot. (I hope his cell phone pings will prove that he was never in that part of town during the time that the car was parked at the Amscot)...... may be why Baez wants those records from Jesse.

Does anyone know if there was survelince cameras at Amscot? That would show who was or wasnt around her car.

[margaritaville]

Annie also told LE in that interview that Casey told her that "everything that she has said was something that she was told to say."

How on earth could the defense team build a defense for Casey around this? ...oh well, Lyon is now on the Casey, so this old strategy may be out the window.

There are 2 people that in their statements said that Casey wanted to commit herself.....Was she staging for what was coming?
We have $40,000 missing from the Anthony's...We have Casey doing internet searches months before Caylee going missing, we have Casey telling people she thinks she is crazy.....WTH??
Was she working on a insanity plea, but decided against it? Or is this all a coincidence?

Both Michelle Murphy and Annie Downing told LE she wanted to be committed..
http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18740699/detail.html

pg 15 and pg 16

[Sun]

Does anyone know if there was survelince cameras at Amscot? That would show who was or wasnt around her car.

If there were camera, and the tapes were still available, then you are right, they could show this. How long do you suppose they keep the tapes, if there are tapes?

[margaritaville]

If there were camera, and the tapes were still available, then you are right, they could show this. How long do you suppose they keep the tapes, if there are tapes?


anyone remember L. Padilla talking about the tapes where it shows her driving around in the parking lot??? Or am I dreaming this?

MOO

[Barbara fl.]

But lets not forget that Casey said "I’ve been looking for her and have gone through other resources to try to find her, which was stupid."

So she was looking for her (not sure where she was looking- the bottom of cocktail glasses at Fusion?) so she didn't need the police.


Your right...she never did say what the othe sources were....obviously because she wasn't looking...unless, like you said "under a cocktail glass"....:sneaky:

[Sun]

There are 2 people that in their statements said that Casey wanted to commit herself.....Was she staging for what was coming?
We have $40,000 missing from the Anthony's...We have Casey doing internet searches months before Caylee going missing, we have Casey telling people she thinks she is crazy.....WTH??
Was she working on a insanity plea, but decided against it? Or is this all a coincidence?

Both Michelle Murphy and Annie Downing told LE she wanted to be committed..
http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18740699/detail.html

pg 15 and pg 16

IMO, there are some problems with the statements that Annie provided to LE. LE appear to trip her up with dates, on some of what Annie is saying. Annie appears to me to want to separate her self from Casey, by saying that their frienship was over in 2007, yet certain statements conflict with this (like Annie saying that she visited when Casey was out of jail because she wanted to see her friend). Other times, Annie is very, very willing to pass on info that Casey told to her (without hesitation).

It's going to be hard for a jury to believe anything that Casey told to her friends, as Casey appeared to be a pathological liar. I think that it will take more than just "Casey saying something" for a jury to give it much weight.

[Sun]

anyone remember L. Padilla talking about the tapes where it shows her driving around in the parking lot??? Or am I dreaming this?

MOO

Ah, good ole LP. He sure liked to throw out a lot of his theories, or hunches, or whatnot. LP was focusing on gathering info (and sounding good on TV) ...and probably wasn't above telling something to the media that wasn't a documented fact.

For these reasons, I really, really would like to listen to LE/FBI interviews (taken under oath) of LP and his crew.

[bchand]

Ah, good ole LP. He sure liked to throw out a lot of his theories, or hunches, or whatnot. LP was focusing on gathering info (and sounding good on TV) ...and probably wasn't above telling something to the media that wasn't a documented fact.

For these reasons, I really, really would like to listen to LE/FBI interviews (taken under oath) of LP and his crew.

I agree with you Sun. I will only believe what I hear him say under oath. Then, not his opinions, only facts.

[*Serenity*]

I agree with you Sun. I will only believe what I hear him say under oath. Then, not his opinions, only facts.

I was turned off by him in the beginning when he stated: drop the child off at a drug-store-- no questions ask. :(

He also mentioned the big drama about a dumpster and in one of the early doc dumps the dumpster information was to be released & nada.
Unless it was on a CD which was rumor to be the reason.

[margaritaville]

I agree with you Sun. I will only believe what I hear him say under oath. Then, not his opinions, only facts.

ITA.......I also believe he overheard a lot more then he has shared.
I believe that he actually has held back stuff due to his contract/agreement with JB..Once in court though, he should be able to spill it all.......And i can't wait....
MOO

[*Serenity*]

ITA.......I also believe he overheard a lot more then he has shared.
I believe that he actually has held back stuff due to his contract/agreement with JB..Once in court though, he should be able to spill it all.......And i can't wait....
MOO

I remember when T.Padilla was posting at WS and quite often posted that he could not give out a lot of information/details, however it was
suppose to be pretty bad.

Casey was hitting on Rob like crazy so I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't feed him a bunch of stuff also.

IMO

[Sun]

ITA.......I also believe he overheard a lot more then he has shared.
I believe that he actually has held back stuff due to his contract/agreement with JB..Once in court though, he should be able to spill it all.......And i can't wait....
MOO

I've gotten the feeling that LP really didn't spend much time in Casey's presence, so what he can say in an interview may be limited as to what Casey may have spoken. However, LP's observations may give us some insight. LP had to have had contact with George, Cindy and Lee during that short time period when Casey was out on his bond.

Lyon does seem to suggest that Casey may have spoken to LP's crew. I say, bring on those interviews! Let's see more of Casey's "stories" and "demeanor."