8/17/09 to 8/19

[martha]

Something does not sit right with me about the whole George-Casey gas can incident.It seems like George surprised Casey by being home while she tried to return the cans.If Casey saw George's car parked at home she probably would not have stayed,but just dropped off the cans because she was warned by her mother that G had called the police.Also did this happen in the garage or outside on the driveway?If it happened in the garage,why would Casey have pulled in knowing G's car was there and risk him discovering something or smelling something.Why would G. even mention the incident to the police or the media except to defer suspicion away from Casey stating that the reason Casey did not want G. near the car was because she stole the cans and did not want him to know,when really she did not want him near the car because of the smell.I am SURE G. smelled something and wanted to deflect attention away from it by stressing the stolen gas cans.I don't think the body was in the trunk at that time,but the smell was.I think you or right maybe g had his car parked some where elce is the reason casey stoped and pulled in the garage.sounds fishie to me.I bet his car was not there that day.jmho

[AbbyNormal]

Something does not sit right with me about the whole George-Casey gas can incident.It seems like George surprised Casey by being home while she tried to return the cans.If Casey saw George's car parked at home she probably would not have stayed,but just dropped off the cans because she was warned by her mother that G had called the police.Also did this happen in the garage or outside on the driveway?If it happened in the garage,why would Casey have pulled in knowing G's car was there and risk him discovering something or smelling something.Why would G. even mention the incident to the police or the media except to defer suspicion away from Casey stating that the reason Casey did not want G. near the car was because she stole the cans and did not want him to know,when really she did not want him near the car because of the smell.I am SURE G. smelled something and wanted to deflect attention away from it by stressing the stolen gas cans.I don't think the body was in the trunk at that time,but the smell was.

The whole gas can story is weird. I think George is trying to establish a timeline or an alibi --- but for what? He reported the shed being broken into for a specific reason. Why? This family drives me nuts. I don't believe anything they say, unless there is some other proof to back it up.

Wait, I mis-truthed! I do believe Casey's statement about not seeing Caylee for 31 days, and I do believe she is more afraid of her mother than anything else.

Okay, back to lurk mode :blushing:

[CatMagnet]

because with people and news crews and LE having their house and them under constant survelience someone would have nticed a locksmith changing the locks...so it never happened.
IMO

Just an fyi, a decent deadbolt lock costs less than twenty bucks at Home Depot and it's almost as easy to change a door lock as it is to change a light bulb. If George tinkers with cars, then changing the locks probably is no challenge to him.

http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Navigation?Ns=P_Price_401%257C0&langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053&rpp=12&Ntt=dead+bolt&Ntk=All&Ntx=mode+matchpartialmax&N=5yc1vZ1xr5

[*Serenity*]

The whole gas can story is weird. I think George is trying to establish a timeline or an alibi --- but for what? He reported the shed being broken into for a specific reason. Why? This family drives me nuts. I don't believe anything they say, unless there is some other proof to back it up.

Wait, I mis-truthed! I do believe Casey's statement about not seeing Caylee for 31 days, and I do believe she is more afraid of her mother than anything else.

Okay, back to lurk mode :blushing:

Yeppers... for sure! Remember the night they were on Greta and the gas can issue came up-- Cindy started squeezing George's leg.

[*Serenity*]

The whole gas can story is weird. I think George is trying to establish a timeline or an alibi --- but for what? He reported the shed being broken into for a specific reason. Why? This family drives me nuts. I don't believe anything they say, unless there is some other proof to back it up.

Wait, I mis-truthed! I do believe Casey's statement about not seeing Caylee for 31 days, and I do believe she is more afraid of her mother than anything else.

Okay, back to lurk mode :blushing:

I don't recall the exact date about the gas cans, however Geroge had a gas can to take with him to the tow yard to pick up the car. How did he know the car was out of gas?

[Imperfect4]

Judge Strickland's comment about the jail video being "highly prejudicial" really makes me wonder what in the world was on the jail video. I actually felt a little sympathetic towards Casey after hearing the jail deputies' verbal descriptions that Casey complained her handcuffs were too tight but they "knew" the handcuffs were not too tight without bothering to check their tightness, that Casey continued to fidget and her hands became clammy, that Casey was intentionally kept from her attorney who was at that moment trying to get in to see her, that Casey was not brought to the infirmary area at the request of any medical/psychological professional but rather at the request of law enforcement officials, that the purpose was not treatment but rather indirect interrogation, etc.

I did not feel that Casey became becoming emotional when she learned that a child's skeletal remains had been discovered near her parents' residence was particularly probative of guilt or innocence. I respectfully disagree with the talking heads who insist that "only the murderer" could have known the identity of those remains. I immediately knew - from 2800 miles away - that the skeletal remains would turn out to be Caylee's. Figuring this out - and becoming emotional about it - is not competent evidence of guilt and, IMO, is not "highly prejudicial."

So, what was the "highly prejudicial" part of the video? Was there something that the deputies did not see/hear? Something like Casey telling Baez, "They found where I put her!" or "But that's not where I put her!" or some other incriminating statement like that? Or maybe Casey and Baez engaging in inappropriately intimate physical contact? Enquiring minds want to know!

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

ITA, kp. Lotsa mixed messages swirling around that video. If it showed Casey being *persecuted* by jail personnel, I would think Baez would want it released for the public to see. If it showed Casey exhibiting actual human emotion of the appropriate kind, I would think Baez would want it released for the public to see.

Sooooo ... what is it Baez doesn't want the public to see? :sneaky:

[cassidy]

ITA, kp. Lotsa mixed messages swirling around that video. If it showed Casey being *persecuted* by jail personnel, I would think Baez would want it released for the public to see. If it showed Casey exhibiting actual human emotion of the appropriate kind, I would think Baez would want it released for the public to see.

Sooooo ... what is it Baez doesn't want the public to see? :sneaky:


That seems to be the 64,000 dollar question.

[Imperfect4]

According to Annie Downing, Caylee was so tied to Casey. Up until the time that Caylee was 2 1/2 yrs old, no one but Casey could hold Caylee. Not even Annie, and Casey and Caylee visited her at least 5 days a week back in 2007. If Casey had to go to the bathroom and not take Caylee, Caylee would scream.

Jan 2009 LE interview with Annie (part 2)
http://cfnews13.com/uploadedfiles/audio/AnnieDowningpt2.wma

So troubling -- on so many levels.

[Julie Dupree]

Got this in my email today and thought some of you might want to read it.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/08/17/cayleecasey-anthony-case-3d-virtual-juror-exclusive-tour-for-yourself/

[apothecary]

The whole gas can story is weird. I think George is trying to establish a timeline or an alibi --- but for what? He reported the shed being broken into for a specific reason. Why? This family drives me nuts. I don't believe anything they say, unless there is some other proof to back it up.

Wait, I mis-truthed! I do believe Casey's statement about not seeing Caylee for 31 days, and I do believe she is more afraid of her mother than anything else.

Okay, back to lurk mode :blushing:
I think it is to try and set up an alibi as well,both that there was no body or smell in the trunk at that date.I often wonder if the incident even really happened on that day or on some other day like June27.
When Cindy told Casey that G had reported the theft to the police there must have been some record of a phone call or text message that day or how could Cindy have informed Casey to bring them back?

[Sun]

The whole gas can story is weird. I think George is trying to establish a timeline or an alibi --- but for what? He reported the shed being broken into for a specific reason. Why? This family drives me nuts. I don't believe anything they say, unless there is some other proof to back it up.

Wait, I mis-truthed! I do believe Casey's statement about not seeing Caylee for 31 days, and I do believe she is more afraid of her mother than anything else.

Okay, back to lurk mode :blushing:

George's accounting of the gas can incident is "off," IMO. However from the Discovery, we all now know that Casey not only damaged another's property by having TL break the lock on the shed, but that she stole from her own parents. The same Discovery also uncovers the fact that Cindy did know that Casey was not out-of-town. Yet, Cindy preached to LE, the media, and to the public that she believed Casey was out-of-town. Casey was also charging on Cindy's CC during that last week of June, another indicator to Cindy that Casey was not out-of-town. ...something smells in regards to Cindy's actions also.

[Imperfect4]

But lets not forget that Casey said "I’ve been looking for her and have gone through other resources to try to find her, which was stupid."

So she was looking for her (not sure where she was looking- the bottom of cocktail glasses at Fusion?) so she didn't need the police.

Like daughter like mother like daughter. Cindy, too, was "conducting her own investigation" and shutting out LE early on in the case.

Apple --> Tree and all that jazz.

[Imperfect4]

Especially after the fact that their daughter spent $40,000 to $45,000 dollars of theirs!
How could they keep allowing that to happen?

Anyone think that Casey's friend Annie could be right and that she wasn't "smart enough"to do this alone
and this $40,000 to $45,000 could have gone to someone else, someone helping her in some way or another?
I know that would mean that she had to have planned the murder far in advance.....But I believe she did.
She was searching back in March for chloroform, missing children, neck breaking......

Was she able to get cash from these credit cards?
I know I can from mine... I just can't imagine that Casey didn't have enough gas for her car but had stolen over $40,000....
I have always thought Casey did this alone.But every now and then I wonder where the $45,000 went....When she couldn't even through
$5.00 in her gas tank!!


MOO

pg 16
http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18740699/detail.html

Shirley Plesea, where she told authorities that over time - Casey Anthony stole as much as $45,000 from her parents.
http://mhutch.blogspot.com/2009/03/cindy-anthonys-mother-shirley-plesea.html

My bolding to address. I really don't get Annie's or Cindy's rationalization that Casey wasn't "smart enough" to kill Caylee and toss her by the side of the road. For a murderer, she's a hot, sloppy mess. This was not the crime of a smart person. The chick is a sloppy, arrogant, brain donor. What she did to Caylee, and how she did it, is proof positive she is no genius, imo.

[cassidy]

My bolding to address. I really don't get Annie's or Cindy's rationalization that Casey wasn't "smart enough" to kill Caylee and toss her by the side of the road. For a murderer, she's a hot, sloppy mess. This was not the crime of a smart person. The chick is a sloppy, arrogant, brain donor. What she did to Caylee, and how she did it, is proof positive she is no genius, imo.
Speaking of Annie, she really baffles me. I can understand her going over to see Casey while out on bail. BUT, the sleepover??????? For real??????? These weren't teeny boppers, they were adults and one of them was in deep doodoo. And Cindy joined them for the nite? I just don't get it at all.

[Pruddennce]

Something does not sit right with me about the whole George-Casey gas can incident.It seems like George surprised Casey by being home while she tried to return the cans.If Casey saw George's car parked at home she probably would not have stayed,but just dropped off the cans because she was warned by her mother that G had called the police.Also did this happen in the garage or outside on the driveway?If it happened in the garage,why would Casey have pulled in knowing G's car was there and risk him discovering something or smelling something.Why would G. even mention the incident to the police or the media except to defer suspicion away from Casey stating that the reason Casey did not want G. near the car was because she stole the cans and did not want him to know,when really she did not want him near the car because of the smell.I am SURE G. smelled something and wanted to deflect attention away from it by stressing the stolen gas cans.I don't think the body was in the trunk at that time,but the smell was.

He claims he was home 'getting ready for his interview: first he says his interview is at 6:30, then he says 4:30- 5pm....

(guess he felt the need to explain WHY he was 'getting ready, cleaning himself up' for his interview so early......saying oh it was a couple of hours later....well, there's that math again...) he certainly didnt need an hour's drive time, judging from when he got off work and got home the nite of the 'incident'.

.....he says, up goes the garage door and into the house comes Casey. LE asks him how she was parked and where: facing in, in the driveway.

now, we all know Casey would not risk bumping into either one of her parents while she did her 'sneaks' back into the house to get 'stuff'. IMO George's car was in the garage and casey 'thought' her parents were out and about still at the bank 'signing their stimulus check' because you have to sign it in person with and ID and a witness.<--thats what he said..... (IS THAT TRUE?) cant people both endorse it and deposit it without both of them physically there?

GA claims Casey knew about the gas cans from 'talking to mom'.

He also claims this is the day that Cindy went to Universal. Cindy claims it was July 3rd. However, GA claims two things occurred that day (stimulus check and gas cans) which further reinforces his memory of Cindy's trip to Universal to find Casey. Cindy says July 3rd.

page 41

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-07/48370053.pdf

we can go round and round with these people and their statements: the bottom line is: they are all liars.

Cindy AND George can rattle off what was told to them by Casey, in such detail, yet they cannot give accurate times and dates to LE.....starting with the last time they saw Caylee.

.....the mother of Caylee, not knowing the precise date...... you know when you last saw your child and DID NOT REPORT 'something happened' to the child, for instance AN ABDUCTION. its ludicrous.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[Imperfect4]

That seems to be the 64,000 dollar question.

I just hope local Orlando media is fighting the good fight to get that puppy released.

[Julie Dupree]

George's accounting of the gas can incident is "off," IMO. However from the Discovery, we all now know that Casey not only damaged another's property by having TL break the lock on the shed, but that she stole from her own parents. The same Discovery also uncovers the fact that Cindy did know that Casey was not out-of-town. Yet, Cindy preached to LE, the media, and to the public that she believed Casey was out-of-town. Casey was also charging on Cindy's CC during that last week of June, another indicator to Cindy that Casey was not out-of-town. ...something smells in regards to Cindy's actions also.

Sun, I am sure you have known this for over a year now:)!!! Why would you expect her to act (or say) differently about this?

[cassidy]

I just hope local Orlando media is fighting the good fight to get that puppy released.

I'm betting on them doing their best!

[imc_e]

Got this in my email today and thought some of you might want to read it.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/08/17/cayleecasey-anthony-case-3d-virtual-juror-exclusive-tour-for-yourself/


That was stunning. Thanks for the link.

[Julie Dupree]

Judge Strickland's comment about the jail video being "highly prejudicial" really makes me wonder what in the world was on the jail video. I actually felt a little sympathetic towards Casey after hearing the jail deputies' verbal descriptions that Casey complained her handcuffs were too tight but they "knew" the handcuffs were not too tight without bothering to check their tightness, that Casey continued to fidget and her hands became clammy, that Casey was intentionally kept from her attorney who was at that moment trying to get in to see her, that Casey was not brought to the infirmary area at the request of any medical/psychological professional but rather at the request of law enforcement officials, that the purpose was not treatment but rather indirect interrogation, etc.

I did not feel that Casey became becoming emotional when she learned that a child's skeletal remains had been discovered near her parents' residence was particularly probative of guilt or innocence. I respectfully disagree with the talking heads who insist that "only the murderer" could have known the identity of those remains. I immediately knew - from 2800 miles away - that the skeletal remains would turn out to be Caylee's. Figuring this out - and becoming emotional about it - is not competent evidence of guilt and, IMO, is not "highly prejudicial."

So, what was the "highly prejudicial" part of the video? Was there something that the deputies did not see/hear? Something like Casey telling Baez, "They found where I put her!" or "But that's not where I put her!" or some other incriminating statement like that? Or maybe Casey and Baez engaging in inappropriately intimate physical contact? Enquiring minds want to know!

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Maybe the rumors of JB patting Casey's bottom is true, you think??

[imc_e]

I don't recall the exact date about the gas cans, however Geroge had a gas can to take with him to the tow yard to pick up the car. How did he know the car was out of gas?

The stink from the Anthony camp of lies, actually smells worse than the car.

[Imperfect4]

Speaking of Annie, she really baffles me. I can understand her going over to see Casey while out on bail. BUT, the sleepover??????? For real??????? These weren't teeny boppers, they were adults and one of them was in deep doodoo. And Cindy joined them for the nite? I just don't get it at all.

My own opinion -- I think, unlike Amy, Annie was not unlike Casey in many ways. I'm not impressed with Annie. As for her weird slumber party with the OC and her mother while Casey was out on bail -- it doesn't surprise me at all. Casey operates at an adolescent level, and my guess is so does Annie. Inspector Cindy Clouseau (who also is stunningly immature, imo) was, I'm sure, hanging out with the girls hoping to sleuth more *clues* and *tips* and *red flags*. :rolleyes:

[Julie Dupree]

Ah, good ole LP. He sure liked to throw out a lot of his theories, or hunches, or whatnot. LP was focusing on gathering info (and sounding good on TV) ...and probably wasn't above telling something to the media that wasn't a documented fact.

For these reasons, I really, really would like to listen to LE/FBI interviews (taken under oath) of LP and his crew.

Is LP on the witness list for the prosecution?

[Sun]

I was browsing around a bit on the Orange County Clerk of Courts records this afternoon. Found a some newer updates (not on Casey's cases). I won't post specifics, but one was on a Civil Case with FIA CARD SERVICES N A as the Plaintiff.

[Sun]

Is LP on the witness list for the prosecution?

Julie, the last State's witness list that I was able to find was from March, and LP and his crew were not on that list. I'm thinking that there were additions to the list since that time though.

[cassidy]

Maybe the rumors of JB patting Casey's bottom is true, you think??

In the larger scheme of things, that isn't much to worry about. IMO there is something more Jose doesn't want the world to see.

[cassidy]

I was browsing around a bit on the Orange County Clerk of Courts records this afternoon. Found a some newer updates (not on Casey's cases). I won't post specifics, but one was on a Civil Case with FIA CARD SERVICES N A as the Plaintiff.

Ya lost me?

[bchand]

ITA, kp. Lotsa mixed messages swirling around that video. If it showed Casey being *persecuted* by jail personnel, I would think Baez would want it released for the public to see. If it showed Casey exhibiting actual human emotion of the appropriate kind, I would think Baez would want it released for the public to see.

Sooooo ... what is it Baez doesn't want the public to see? :sneaky:

I posted my opinion earlier about this. Maybe they don't want people comparing her reaction on this date and the day something was found at Blanchard Park.

Although it turned out to be nothing, I personally was physically upset that day because I was afraid it was Caylee.

Casey was not. She was watching TV, knew it was happening, and yet there was no reaction from her. She KNEW it wasn't Caylee at BP.

So if she was upset on the 11th, it would should she KNEW it WAS Caylee then.

[Sun]

Originally Posted by *Serenity*
I don't recall the exact date about the gas cans, however Geroge had a gas can to take with him to the tow yard to pick up the car. How did he know the car was out of gas?

Here you go. You can listen to Simon Burch's July 24, 2008 LE interview. Operations Managers at Johnson's Wrecker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zqUg08_c3s&feature=quicklist

[*Serenity*]

He claims he was home 'getting ready for his interview: first he says his interview is at 6:30, then he says 4:30- 5pm....

(guess he felt the need to explain WHY he was 'getting ready, cleaning himself up' for his interview so early......saying oh it was a couple of hours later....well, there's that math again...) he certainly didnt need an hour's drive time, judging from when he got off work and got home the nite of the 'incident'.

.....he says, up goes the garage door and into the house comes Casey. LE asks him how she was parked and where: facing in, in the driveway.

now, we all know Casey would not risk bumping into either one of her parents while she did her 'sneaks' back into the house to get 'stuff'. IMO George's car was in the garage and casey 'thought' her parents were out and about still at the bank 'signing their stimulus check' because you have to sign it in person with and ID and a witness.<--thats what he said..... (IS THAT TRUE?) cant people both endorse it and deposit it without both of them physically there?

GA claims Casey knew about the gas cans from 'talking to mom'.

He also claims this is the day that Cindy went to Universal. Cindy claims it was July 3rd. However, GA claims two things occurred that day (stimulus check and gas cans) which further reinforces his memory of Cindy's trip to Universal to find Casey. Cindy says July 3rd.

page 41

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-07/48370053.pdf

we can go round and round with these people and their statements: the bottom line is: they are all liars.

Cindy AND George can rattle off what was told to them by Casey, in such detail, yet they cannot give accurate times and dates to LE.....starting with the last time they saw Caylee.

.....the mother of Caylee, not knowing the precise date...... you know when you last saw your child and DID NOT REPORT 'something happened' to the child, for instance AN ABDUCTION. its ludicrous.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Hi Pru LTNS :)

Her interview with LE @ universal she specifically states 31 days since she has seen her daughter and the MIA date was June 9th. So- if Caylee went missing June 9th and her interview at universal was July 16 that would have been 36 days.

BUT if you look at her 31 days missing that means Caylee would have went missing June 15th. So- when LE finally got the tape of Caylee with GGpa it came out that all of them lied about the date, which happen to be the night Cindy and Casey had the big blow up and Casey leaves with Caylee. If Casey and that is a big IF is telling the truth about the 31 days that means she murdererd Caylee the night she left-after the big fight with Cindy. Which could explain why Cindy went to CYA mode because she did not want that fight to come out & she feels almost responsible for what happened. Remember the first jail house call not my fault and what do you mean you don't know why I'm here.
Then of course later on the jail house video of Casey telling Cindy- don't worry I haven't said anything.

The Fathers Day Night Fight was huge-- Casey kills Caylee and Casey continues to lie to Cindy about Caylee where-abouts. Cindy posts a message on myspace about her angel missing and her daughter is gone with NO JOB and NO MONEY. Cindy even knew Casey didn't have a job.

I think Cindy throttled Casey when she found about her stealing from Grandma and then proceeds to kick her out of the house-- and Casey takes Caylee with her. Remember she is a spiteful *itch. Casey was in full rage mode when she left that house and I'm sure she had other plans with TonE for the night.

WOW-- I really think Casey had that duct tape in her car and Caylee splept in that trunk before-- Casey tapes her mouth shut and proceeds to go on with life... then when she goes back to get Caylee she is dead.

[apothecary]

I posted my opinion earlier about this. Maybe they don't want people comparing her reaction on this date and the day something was found at Blanchard Park.

Although it turned out to be nothing, I personally was physically upset that day because I was afraid it was Caylee.

Casey was not. She was watching TV, knew it was happening, and yet there was no reaction from her. She KNEW it wasn't Caylee at BP.

So if she was upset on the 11th, it would should she KNEW it WAS Caylee then.
I remember the Blanchard Park day,I could not breathe and choked up with tears in my eyes:sad:

[nana6]

Hi friends, I have not been on here in awhile, in Chicago with 2 grand daughters at the American Girl Place. Anyway, is there anything new at ALL to report? Any sign of docs coming out to us soon?:smile:

[Sun]

Sun, I am sure you have known this for over a year now:)!!! Why would you expect her to act (or say) differently about this?

You are right Julie. :wink: But I'm now going back and reviewing some of the earlier interviews, and finding new points to ponder. The cost is enormous to the taxpayers of Florida, due to the behavior of the entire Anthony family.

[djmsmom]

My own opinion -- I think, unlike Amy, Annie was not unlike Casey in many ways. I'm not impressed with Annie. As for her weird slumber party with the OC and her mother while Casey was out on bail -- it doesn't surprise me at all. Casey operates at an adolescent level, and my guess is so does Annie. Inspector Cindy Clouseau (who also is stunningly immature, imo) was, I'm sure, hanging out with the girls hoping to sleuth more *clues* and *tips* and *red flags*. :rolleyes:

I think Cindy didn't want Casey to tell Annie anything that she couldn't explain away later, or to make sure Casey didn't confess to Annie. Wasn't the sleepover after Annie already found out Casey had stole from her? WEIRD.

[cassidy]

I think Cindy didn't want Casey to tell Annie anything that she couldn't explain away later, or to make sure Casey didn't confess to Annie. Wasn't the sleepover after Annie already found out Casey had stole from her? WEIRD.


I think you are confusing Annie with Amy. I don't remember Casey stealing from Annie?

[imc_e]

snipped to address comment

WOW-- I really think Casey had that duct tape in her car and Caylee splept in that trunk before-- Casey tapes her mouth shut and proceeds to go on with life... then when she goes back to get Caylee she is dead.


Recently I have wondered, if Casey frequently drugged Caylee and left her at the abandoned house near where she was found..

[Imperfect4]

I posted my opinion earlier about this. Maybe they don't want people comparing her reaction on this date and the day something was found at Blanchard Park.

Although it turned out to be nothing, I personally was physically upset that day because I was afraid it was Caylee.

Casey was not. She was watching TV, knew it was happening, and yet there was no reaction from her. She KNEW it wasn't Caylee at BP.

So if she was upset on the 11th, it would should she KNEW it WAS Caylee then.

My problem with this whole line of reasoning is I don't trust Casey as far as I can throw her -- not her words, not her reactions. She's a liar, a thief, a manipulator and an actress. If I were a juror, it would be difficult to convince me of any single moment when she was being genuine.

There are also dozens of ways for the defense to explain her reactions at any given time. I just don't see a clear line between her described reaction on 12/11 and her guilt. It is an assumption (and I think assumptions by jurors are frowned upon) to equate her reactions to her guilt, imo. Trying to "read into" people's reactions is fine here, but in a court of law, not so much.

I think of all the evidence pointing to her guilt, her display on 12/11 is way down the list.

Just my 2 cents. I tend to believe there's something unrelated in that video (or videos) JB is trying to keep under wraps.

[*Serenity*]

Recently I have wondered, if Casey frequently drugged Caylee and left her at the abandoned house near where she was found..

If she found Caylee dead in the house then she wouldn't need to stash in the trunk...?? OR maybe she did so no one would find her in the house dead. I don't know why I keep thinking the real NANNY was the trunk of that Pontiac when Cindy wouldn't babysit.

[Imperfect4]

Recently I have wondered, if Casey frequently drugged Caylee and left her at the abandoned house near where she was found..

You're talking about the house DCasey was poking around at, right? I've wondered about that, too. I've wondered whether Casey left Caylee there at times, and also whether Casey hung out there when her parents thought she was elsewhere.

[cassidy]

You're talking about the house DCasey was poking around at, right? I've wondered about that, too. I've wondered whether Casey left Caylee there at times, and also whether Casey hung out there when her parents thought she was elsewhere.

Wonder if it was searched by LE. There would be some kind of evidence if she had done that, wouldn't there?

[Holden]

Serenity, I think you're right about the Father's Day night fight being huge. It was the reason casey sailed out of that house with Caylee - no matter what CA says. GA never saw them the next morning. That's just nuts. I have been reading a book about Scott Peterson which talks a lot about his family. Boy, are they alike, the Petersons and the A's. Both families lied freely, tried to blame everyone but their child, hated LE and acted like victims without ever showing one bit of emotion for their murdered grand child. The apple truly doesn't fall far from the tree, it seems. I wonder if we will ever see the recent depositions. I'm dying to know what went on in that court room. I don't think the prosecution would let CA carry on the way she did in the ZFG depo and I would imagine they called the A's on every single lie. Oh, to be a fly on the wall.......:sneaky:

[imc_e]

Ya, that 'shes close to home' comment.. I know she was talking about where her body was, close to home, but we could also be looking at more evidence with that abandoned house, which was 'close to home'.

We heard about the house around Nov, a month before Caylees body was finally found..and we saw pictures of the exterior, it was trashed and empty.

WHERE was Casey leaving Caylee for those dates when Cindy didn't have her, and Casey was out and about partying without her.

It just makes me wonder if she dumped her there whenever she wanted to have her freedom. A little chloroform and dumps her in the abandoned house. She IS capable of such a thing!

http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/2009/01/12/Chilling-new-video-in-Caylee/1231786603.html

Better link about house...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un9tbxGHi7E

[Julie Dupree]

Julie, the last State's witness list that I was able to find was from March, and LP and his crew were not on that list. I'm thinking that there were additions to the list since that time though.

That is the only one I coud find...hummmm, I wonder if the state is not planning on calling him?

[Julie Dupree]

You are right Julie. :wink: But I'm now going back and reviewing some of the earlier interviews, and finding new points to ponder. The cost is enormous to the taxpayers of Florida, due to the behavior of the entire Anthony family.

I am taking donations if you would like to contribute..:)

[cassidy]

I am taking donations if you would like to contribute..:)

Cindy??? Is that you?????? :biggrinjester:

[Imperfect4]

Wonder if it was searched by LE. There would be some kind of evidence if she had done that, wouldn't there?

According to Forensic Files, there's always evidence left behind. :laugh:

I'm thinking OCSO had many more leads to follow up on once Jim Hoover outed Dominick Casey and his search of both the dump site and the abandoned house.

[Julie Dupree]

My problem with this whole line of reasoning is I don't trust Casey as far as I can throw her -- not her words, not her reactions. She's a liar, a thief, a manipulator and an actress. If I were a juror, it would be difficult to convince me of any single moment when she was being genuine.

There are also dozens of ways for the defense to explain her reactions at any given time. I just don't see a clear line between her described reaction on 12/11 and her guilt. It is an assumption (and I think assumptions by jurors are frowned upon) to equate her reactions to her guilt, imo. Trying to "read into" people's reactions is fine here, but in a court of law, not so much.

I think of all the evidence pointing to her guilt, her display on 12/11 is way down the list.

Just my 2 cents. I tend to believe there's something unrelated in that video (or videos) JB is trying to keep under wraps.

And I don't think it is something about Casey that he doesn't want to be made public. If it were only Casey reaction, we all have heard that. I think it is something entirely different.

[Julie Dupree]

Cindy??? Is that you?????? :biggrinjester:

You are sooooooooooo bad cassidy!!!!

[Imperfect4]

Ya, that 'shes close to home' comment.. I know she was talking about where her body was, close to home, but we could also be looking at more evidence with that abandoned house, which was 'close to home'.

We heard about the house around Nov, a month before Caylees body was finally found..and we saw pictures of the exterior, it was trashed and empty.

WHERE was Casey leaving Caylee for those dates when Cindy didn't have her, and Casey was out and about partying without her.

It just makes me wonder if she dumped her there whenever she wanted to have her freedom. A little chloroform and dumps her in the abandoned house. She IS capable of such a thing!

http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/2009/01/12/Chilling-new-video-in-Caylee/1231786603.html

Better link about house...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un9tbxGHi7E

Bolded to address. That could also explain things we've heard from Annie about Caylee's clingy-ness with Casey. If Caylee often "fell asleep" in her mother's care and woke up in that abandoned house by herself, you can bet she didn't want Casey out of her sight whenever she was with her. The thought of that makes me furious. :angry:

[Julie Dupree]

Ya, that 'shes close to home' comment.. I know she was talking about where her body was, close to home, but we could also be looking at more evidence with that abandoned house, which was 'close to home'.

We heard about the house around Nov, a month before Caylees body was finally found..and we saw pictures of the exterior, it was trashed and empty.

WHERE was Casey leaving Caylee for those dates when Cindy didn't have her, and Casey was out and about partying without her.

It just makes me wonder if she dumped her there whenever she wanted to have her freedom. A little chloroform and dumps her in the abandoned house. She IS capable of such a thing!

http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/2009/01/12/Chilling-new-video-in-Caylee/1231786603.html

Better link about house...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un9tbxGHi7E

Interesting theory...but I think this would have been very difficult because the houses are very close together. I think if she had done that one of the neighbors would have said something. But that is a good possibility, and certainly worth some thought.
I think this is the house.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvKVtDZVgkw&NR=1

[bchand]

Hi friends, I have not been on here in awhile, in Chicago with 2 grand daughters at the American Girl Place. Anyway, is there anything new at ALL to report? Any sign of docs coming out to us soon?:smile:

Hi nana - don't know if you're still around or not.

Nothing new. We're all just looking forward to the hearing this Friday at 9:30 am!

[imc_e]

DC told Hoover that they had to go to an abandoned house..when he got off the cell phone and they went to check the house.. which was..

..owned by a Gonzales family.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18473137/index.html

[imc_e]

Interesting theory...but I think this would have been very difficult because the houses are very close together. I think if she had done that one of the neighbors would have said something. But that is a good possibility, and certainly worth some thought.
I think this is the house.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvKVtDZVgkw&NR=1


Thanks for the link Julie!

[Julie Dupree]

Thanks for the link Julie!

You are most welcome...you can also get to part 1 on that page.

[cassidy]

Bolded to address. That could also explain things we've heard from Annie about Caylee's clingy-ness with Casey. If Caylee often "fell asleep" in her mother's care and woke up in that abandoned house by herself, you can bet she didn't want Casey out of her sight whenever she was with her. The thought of that makes me furious. :angry:

Caylee had to be somewhere when Casey was partying her heart out all those nites. We know Zanny is a figment of Casey's imagination and no other human has stepped forwad to say they were watching her. There isn't much left other than to believe that Casey left her alone somewhere at times. A very sad and scary thing for a little girl.

[summer]

Caylee had to be somewhere when Casey was partying her heart out all those nites. We know Zanny is a figment of Casey's imagination and no other human has stepped forwad to say they were watching her. There isn't much left other than to believe that Casey left her alone somewhere at times. A very sad and scary thing for a little girl.

Yes, and please let that thought keep the grandmutha of the year awake at night. Although I doubt it.

I'm in the camp of the inflatable bed at the Gonzales (abandoned) house with some sort of drug to keep the baby unconscious. IMO.

[Imperfect4]

I would love to know if neighbors of that abandoned house have been interviewed. Did they see Casey or her white Pontiac around the area?

I still wonder if the rumored big blowout on Father's Day evening between C and C was the result of Cindy grilling Caylee the entire day and getting enough info out of her about Casey's daily activities to confront Casey about it. We've sort of assumed the fight was about the $ Casey stole from her grandparents, but I think it's just as likely Cindy learned something from Caylee that day.

I'm sure by Father's Day, after all the thefts, etc., Cindy was plenty curious about just exactly what Casey had been up to. It seems Cindy had started investigating her daughter's statements and whereabouts. Seems logical to me Cindy would grill Caylee for any information she could get out of her during their day together.

If Caylee spilled a bean or two and Cindy confronted Casey, two pieces of the puzzle could potentially fall into place -- 1) Cindy giving Casey a month to get her life together, and 2) Casey being angry enough with Caylee to harm her.

[Sun]

Caylee had to be somewhere when Casey was partying her heart out all those nites. We know Zanny is a figment of Casey's imagination and no other human has stepped forwad to say they were watching her. There isn't much left other than to believe that Casey left her alone somewhere at times. A very sad and scary thing for a little girl.

You are right. There is no Zanny. Casey made her up. However, I believe that when Casey went out at night with friends, she left Caylee with Cindy to babysit. I just listened to Annie's LE interview, and Annie indicated that she thought that Cindy called Casey every time that she went out, to find out where she was and what was going on. Keeping tabs on Casey it seemed to me. Several others have made comments that Cindy would call Casey and tell her it was time to come home.

Cindy knows more than she is telling anyone. She knows more about what happened on June 15 than she is saying. Did Cindy tell Casey that she wouldn't babysit Caylee in the evenings, because she knew that Casey wasn't working? Was Cindy jealous that Casey may have a boyfriend, and she wasn't sharing that info with Cindy?

[djmsmom]

Yes, and please let that thought keep the grandmutha of the year awake at night. Although I doubt it.

I'm in the camp of the inflatable bed at the Gonzales (abandoned) house with some sort of drug to keep the baby unconscious. IMO.

In all the interviews noone ever said that Casey brought the mattress into their house for Caylee to sleep on. There has to be some reason she traveled with it either Caylee was put to bed in the trunk or somewhere else. The thought of this is too horrible even for words.

[AnniePie]

Speaking of Annie, she really baffles me. I can understand her going over to see Casey while out on bail. BUT, the sleepover??????? For real??????? These weren't teeny boppers, they were adults and one of them was in deep doodoo. And Cindy joined them for the nite? I just don't get it at all.

I think they're all emotionally arrested. Remember Casey's little penchant for crafts and stickers and the like?

And then a fun little "girly" night might help them take their minds off that pesky little Caylee problem. :angry:

[margaritaville]

Serenity, I think you're right about the Father's Day night fight being huge. It was the reason casey sailed out of that house with Caylee - no matter what CA says. GA never saw them the next morning. That's just nuts. I have been reading a book about Scott Peterson which talks a lot about his family. Boy, are they alike, the Petersons and the A's. Both families lied freely, tried to blame everyone but their child, hated LE and acted like victims without ever showing one bit of emotion for their murdered grand child. The apple truly doesn't fall far from the tree, it seems. I wonder if we will ever see the recent depositions. I'm dying to know what went on in that court room. I don't think the prosecution would let CA carry on the way she did in the ZFG depo and I would imagine they called the A's on every single lie. Oh, to be a fly on the wall.......:sneaky:

Like some people who claim that Casey never bonded w/ Caylee is their a possibility that both Ga and Ca never bonded with Caylee? I mean
maybe they loved Caylee but Caylee was not there daughter..Caylee was just Casey's mistake.. It seems like she was well provided for as far as cute clothes and toys ect. all provided by the ant's but I think most of that was for show. they wanted others to "think" Caylee had it all. I am not a grandparent, but I am a Mom and I can't see how they can just dismiss their 2 year old baby granddaughter for their 22 year old "knows better" daughter. I know I would do anything for my sons but covering up the murder of their child...NO WAY!! I love them more then any thing in the whole world, but I still couldn't do that.

[Sun]

I would love to know if neighbors of that abandoned house have been interviewed. Did they see Casey or her white Pontiac around the area?

I still wonder if the rumored big blowout on Father's Day evening between C and C was the result of Cindy grilling Caylee the entire day and getting enough info out of her about Casey's daily activities to confront Casey about it. We've sort of assumed the fight was about the $ Casey stole from her grandparents, but I think it's just as likely Cindy learned something from Caylee that day.

I'm sure by Father's Day, after all the thefts, etc., Cindy was plenty curious about just exactly what Casey had been up to. It seems Cindy had started investigating her daughter's statements and whereabouts. Seems logical to me Cindy would grill Caylee for any information she could get out of her during their day together.

If Caylee spilled a bean or two and Cindy confronted Casey, two pieces of the puzzle could potentially fall into place -- 1) Cindy giving Casey a month to get her life together, and 2) Casey being angry enough with Caylee to harm her.

There was lots of jealousy over Caylee. Caylee should have been talking a bit at that age... perhaps even able to tattle on Casey if Cindy grilled her. Perhaps that duct tape that Casey placed across Caylee's face was put there in anger? The "I'll show you" to tell on me, type of anger.

[AnniePie]

Bolded to address. That could also explain things we've heard from Annie about Caylee's clingy-ness with Casey. If Caylee often "fell asleep" in her mother's care and woke up in that abandoned house by herself, you can bet she didn't want Casey out of her sight whenever she was with her. The thought of that makes me furious. :angry:

Ohhhhhhhhh... good point. That would explain it. That makes me feel ill.

[AnniePie]

Like some people who claim that Casey never bonded w/ Caylee is their a possibility that both Ga and Ca never bonded with Caylee? I mean
maybe they loved Caylee but Caylee was not there daughter..Caylee was just Casey's mistake.. It seems like she was well provided for as far as cute clothes and toys ect. all provided by the ant's but I think most of that was for show. they wanted others to "think" Caylee had it all. I am not a grandparent, but I am a Mom and I can't see how they can just dismiss their 2 year old baby granddaughter for their 22 year old "knows better" daughter. I know I would do anything for my sons but covering up the murder of their child...NO WAY!! I love them more then any thing in the whole world, but I still couldn't do that.

Did any of you see NG tonight? They were talking about the Hayleigh case and how Crystal in one interview referred to Hayleigh as "that little girl". Dr. Lillian Glass jumped on the fact that speaking of her as "that little girl" speaks of deep emotional detachment.

It certainly plays into the Anthony case as well, doesn't it.

[101Spots]

If anyone is interested, the WE channel is having a show about "Mothers of Murderers" and how they deal with the knowledge. 10 PM.

Bet 5¢ none of them does anything like Cindy.

[Imperfect4]

There was lots of jealousy over Caylee. Caylee should have been talking a bit at that age... perhaps even able to tattle on Casey if Cindy grilled her. Perhaps that duct tape that Casey placed across Caylee's face was put there in anger? The "I'll show you" to tell on me, type of anger.

Yep -- the thought has definitely crossed my mind.

[Imperfect4]

Ohhhhhhhhh... good point. That would explain it. That makes me feel ill.

Hiya, Pooh. :seeya:

Yeah, I do wonder what *that little girl* was put through during her short life. Especially if what Annie says is true.

[*Serenity*]

DC told Hoover that they had to go to an abandoned house..when he got off the cell phone and they went to check the house.. which was..

..owned by a Gonzales family.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18473137/index.html


Well... what a great thought since Casey always provides clues in her lies. The last time she saw her daughter was Zenida Gonzales... hence the two houses with one being Zenida and the other Gonzales. In her crazy head she told them the truth, just not all of it.

Does anyone know if LE has the inflatable bed? This is the first I have read about this.

[*Serenity*]

Hiya, Pooh. :seeya:

Yeah, I do wonder what *that little girl* was put through during her short life. Especially if what Annie says is true.

Casey cannot seem to let the name Caylee come out of her mouth.
That little girl, or my daughter, never Caylee.

I do recall one time I heard her say Caylee and that was the first jail house phone call when she was talking to Christina, when she said her family just wanted Caylee, and wanted Caylee home, and her afterthought was and that is what I want to. PUKE... then she continued with wanting TonE's number and not wanting to talk to anyone about helping find Caylee.

[summer]

I think they're all emotionally arrested. Remember Casey's little penchant for crafts and stickers and the like?

And then a fun little "girly" night might help them take their minds off that pesky little Caylee problem. :angry:

Great term, AnniePie, "emotionally arrested" is right. And don't forget MallyBu! who after her every insipid online post ends with a mention of Caylee. So callow. So shallow!

I'd say there's something in the Orlando water but there are some pretty amazing Orlando natives right here on this site so I'll keep my mouf shut. :laugh:

[summer]

Yep -- the thought has definitely crossed my mind.


:seeya: Hi Impf!!! :wub:

[imc_e]

I think they're all emotionally arrested. Remember Casey's little penchant for crafts and stickers and the like?

And then a fun little "girly" night might help them take their minds off that pesky little Caylee problem. :angry:

Emotionally arrested. Now there's a term to apply.

Girly night when the world is looking for her child.

Brings to mind the night LP bonded her out, and she sat on the bdrm floor playing with beads, NOT concerned about everything that was going on in the house/outside the house etc.

Emotionally arrested. Juvenile. UNaffected.

Hardly a grown woman with a missing/dead child just down the street in the woods.

She was/is NO teenager.

I think she'll walk/saunter/strut up to the gurney to be put to death for her crime, nonplussed, unaffected.

[kakax]

There was lots of jealousy over Caylee. Caylee should have been talking a bit at that age... perhaps even able to tattle on Casey if Cindy grilled her. Perhaps that duct tape that Casey placed across Caylee's face was put there in anger? The "I'll show you" to tell on me, type of anger.


Very good point!

Does anyone know where I can read more about the grave wax on the drywall? i saw it mentioned, but can't find where all the discussion was about all of it. Was it in the documents and I missed it?

[imc_e]

Well... what a great thought since Casey always provides clues in her lies. The last time she saw her daughter was Zenida Gonzales... hence the two houses with one being Zenida and the other Gonzales. In her crazy head she told them the truth, just not all of it.

Does anyone know if LE has the inflatable bed? This is the first I have read about this.

Good question about the inflatable bed, Serenity.

I wouldn't be surprized if it was in the car and Cindy took it out, cleaned it, replaced it.

[101Spots]

Good question about the inflatable bed, Serenity.

I wouldn't be surprized if it was in the car and Cindy took it out, cleaned it, replaced it.

Heck, Cindy probably washed the air from the mattress, too. :rolleyes:

[Imperfect4]

Great term, AnniePie, "emotionally arrested" is right. And don't forget MallyBu! who after her every insipid online post ends with a mention of Caylee. So callow. So shallow!

I'd say there's something in the Orlando water but there are some pretty amazing Orlando natives right here on this site so I'll keep my mouf shut. :laugh:

Hi Summer! :seeya:

ITA about Bu! How she can post her shallow, no-real-care-in-the-world headlines right next to mention of a murdered 2 year-old is beyond me. She needs to wake up on several levels. Ugh.

[kakax]

Well... what a great thought since Casey always provides clues in her lies. The last time she saw her daughter was Zenida Gonzales... hence the two houses with one being Zenida and the other Gonzales. In her crazy head she told them the truth, just not all of it.

Does anyone know if LE has the inflatable bed? This is the first I have read about this.


It was brought up in Cindy's deposition. She said she gave it to LE. It was after one of the first searches....the day after. She said she remembered it when she was trying to think of more ways to track down ZFG. She supposedly gave that, the hair straightener, and some dvd's that supposedly came from ZFG's house so LE could try to pull prints off them.

[imc_e]

Cindy said : Air bed – Cindy claims this inflatable bed was usually kept in the trunk of Casey’s car, but has been in the house for at least 2 months.

http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/casey-anthony-timeline-smoke-mirrors/casey-anthony-timeline-may-2008/casey-anthony-timeline-june-1-15-2008/casey-anthony-timeline-june-16-30-2008/casey-anthony-timeline-july-1-15-2008/casey-anthony-timeline-july-17-31-2008/casey-anthony-timeline-august-2008/

Sure it was Cindy. :rolleyes:

[imc_e]

Heck, Cindy probably washed the air from the mattress, too. :rolleyes:

You know, if she could, she would! :wink:

I think the Prosecution is way ahead of the Anthonys! :sneaky:
and we're not far behind!

[*Serenity*]

It was brought up in Cindy's deposition. She said she gave it to LE. It was after one of the first searches....the day after. She said she remembered it when she was trying to think of more ways to track down ZFG. She supposedly gave that, the hair straightener, and some dvd's that supposedly came from ZFG's house so LE could try to pull prints off them.

Wonder where the air pump is to inflate the air mattress? We know Casey had one if she had the mattress...

[farrahrani]

Very good point!

Does anyone know where I can read more about the grave wax on the drywall? i saw it mentioned, but can't find where all the discussion was about all of it. Was it in the documents and I missed it?


There was a discussion on scaredmonkeys. Police took a drywall sample for testing, but no results have been released. Speculation was made that it was tested for grave wax, but nobody really knows for sure, IMO

[Imperfect4]

Cindy said : Air bed – Cindy claims this inflatable bed was usually kept in the trunk of Casey’s car, but has been in the house for at least 2 months.

http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/casey-anthony-timeline-smoke-mirrors/casey-anthony-timeline-may-2008/casey-anthony-timeline-june-1-15-2008/casey-anthony-timeline-june-16-30-2008/casey-anthony-timeline-july-1-15-2008/casey-anthony-timeline-july-17-31-2008/casey-anthony-timeline-august-2008/

Sure it was Cindy. :rolleyes:

1) How did Cindy know where the air bed was kept? Did Casey tell her? lolololol

2) Hate to break this to you, Cin, but your recollection of dates sucks, so I'll take that "at least 2 months" embellishment you threw in with a block of salt. :rolleyes:

[imc_e]

Near the bottom of page 5 in Cindys statement. August 08.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0730/20223624.pdf

Sometime last year 07 Casey bought an inflatable bed for Caylee to stay over at Zannys apartment. This bed typically stayed in Casey's trunk of the pontiac sunfire, but has been in the house for at least 2 months.

Casey stated to me that the purpose of this bed was for Caylee to sleep in when staying at Zannys apartment.



:ohmy:

[Imperfect4]

Wonder where the air pump is to inflate the air mattress? We know Casey had one if she had the mattress...

She's full of hot air. No need for an air pump. :laugh:

[imc_e]

1) How did Cindy know where the air bed was kept? Did Casey tell her? lolololol

2) Hate to break this to you, Cin, but your recollection of dates sucks, so I'll take that "at least 2 months" embellishment you threw in with a block of salt. :rolleyes:

Casey BOUGHT the air bed for Caylee, usually kept in the trunk, uh huh, but Casey MUST have tidied it up and put it away in the house, uh huh.

What we have here is Cindy, in August, admitting that she knew Casey kept an air bed in the trunk for Caylee.

Uh huh

[summer]

Heck, Cindy probably washed the air from the mattress, too. :rolleyes:

HAHAHA ! :lol::lol:

[Sun]

Near the bottom of page 5 in Cindys statement. August 08.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0730/20223624.pdf

Sometime last year 07 Casey bought an inflatable bed for Caylee to stay over at Zannys apartment. This bed typically stayed in Casey's trunk of the pontiac sunfire, but has been in the house for at least 2 months.

Casey stated to me that the purpose of this bed was for Caylee to sleep in when staying at Zannys apartment.


:ohmy:

Bollded by me. "Casey bought" ....using Cindy's money.

[kakax]

Wonder where the air pump is to inflate the air mattress? We know Casey had one if she had the mattress...


Hmmm. I wondered if she actually gave it to LE. Just like Cindy said she gave the addresses and phone numbers from her address book, but never called them and didn't know what part of town these addresses were. Bet Casey did use the air matress though. One of the many nights she had Casey at parties or a boyfriends house. :mad:

[AnniePie]

Emotionally arrested. Now there's a term to apply.

Girly night when the world is looking for her child.

Brings to mind the night LP bonded her out, and she sat on the bdrm floor playing with beads, NOT concerned about everything that was going on in the house/outside the house etc.

Emotionally arrested. Juvenile. UNaffected.

Hardly a grown woman with a missing/dead child just down the street in the woods.

She was/is NO teenager.

I think she'll walk/saunter/strut up to the gurney to be put to death for her crime, nonplussed, unaffected.

I hope they let her wear her favourite blue hoody just for this one special occasion. :mellow:

[kakax]

I hope they let her wear her favourite blue hoody just for this one special occasion. :mellow:

And her white sunglasses. She can be a star on her last walk down the plank.

[summer]

Casey BOUGHT the air bed for Caylee, usually kept in the trunk, uh huh, but Casey MUST have tidied it up and put it away in the house, uh huh.

What we have here is Cindy, in August, admitting that she knew Casey kept an air bed in the trunk for Caylee.

Uh huh

Ya know, as if I could even be more disgusted, that takes the cake. She's got her sociopath daughter (her words) running around town with an inflatable bed for her daughter sleeping who knows where at some invisible nanny's place that Cindy doesn't even have a number for, has never met, and has no reason to believe she exists.

Disgusting! The whole lot of them!

[Bala]

Cindy said : Air bed – Cindy claims this inflatable bed was usually kept in the trunk of Casey’s car, but has been in the house for at least 2 months.

http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/casey-anthony-timeline-smoke-mirrors/casey-anthony-timeline-may-2008/casey-anthony-timeline-june-1-15-2008/casey-anthony-timeline-june-16-30-2008/casey-anthony-timeline-july-1-15-2008/casey-anthony-timeline-july-17-31-2008/casey-anthony-timeline-august-2008/

Sure it was Cindy. :rolleyes:
I wonder if they tested the air mattress for DNA or decomp. They may be able to link it to the trunk.

[Shades]

There was a discussion on scaredmonkeys. Police took a drywall sample for testing, but no results have been released. Speculation was made that it was tested for grave wax, but nobody really knows for sure, IMO


I'm sorry for being so....dumb!!!, but what the devil is
'grave wax'????
:blushing:

[imc_e]

Hmmm. I wondered if she actually gave it to LE. Just like Cindy said she gave the addresses and phone numbers from her address book, but never called them and didn't know what part of town these addresses were. Bet Casey did use the air matress though. One of the many nights she had Casey at parties or a boyfriends house. :mad:

Hmmm when Casey was bonded out she slept on her Mommys bedrm floor on a....air bed.

:w00t:

[summer]

Frankly it's a wonder *that little girl* even made it to age two. :crying:

[Shades]

Ya know, as if I could even be more disgusted, that takes the cake. She's got her sociopath daughter (her words) running around town with an inflatable bed for her daughter sleeping who knows where at some invisible nanny's place that Cindy doesn't even have a number for, has never met, and has no reason to believe she exists.

Disgusting! The whole lot of them!


Summer,
U have such a good way with words!!
:thumbsup:

[summer]

Summer,
U have such a good way with words!!
:thumbsup:




Aww Shades.... who loves ya, baby? :wub:

[crimeq]

If she found Caylee dead in the house then she wouldn't need to stash in the trunk...?? OR maybe she did so no one would find her in the house dead. I don't know why I keep thinking the real NANNY was the trunk of that Pontiac when Cindy wouldn't babysit.

I think that too, that the trunk of the car was the nanny--except, if Casey resorted to that often, wouldn't there be some kind of bedding in the trunk? And if so, why would she have had to take the Winnie the Pooh cover from Caylee's bed at the Hopespring house to cart her to the woods? It seems like there would be something in the trunk of the car that she could use:confused:

[farrahrani]

I'm sorry for being so....dumb!!!, but what the devil is
'grave wax'????
:blushing:



It's when a body decomposes and begins to change into a wax like substance. It's much more complicated, but I'm no scientist lol. It has another name that I can never remember. You can google it, but it can be pretty graphic, I'd suggest wikipedia.org search, less likely to be images used.

[*Serenity*]

Near the bottom of page 5 in Cindys statement. August 08.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0730/20223624.pdf



:ohmy:

WOW.... this fits in perfectly for Caylee to stay alone somewhere
drugged.

[happygert]

WOW.... this fits in perfectly for Caylee to stay alone somewhere
drugged.

cindy said the mattress had been in the house for the past 2 months.. where did she think Caylee was sleeping the month she was gone?

No room for the mattress in trunk when you have your dead 2 year olds body in there.. one had to go.. so i guess casey pick the mattress untill Caylee's little body started smelling so bad.. then Caylee had to go..

[happygert]

The link that Serenity provided...

I know this has been addressed a thousand times but "I" have not come across it. You guys are right on top of every detail.

"Annabelle"
I read that Zanny took care of Caylee and Annabelle.
Information was brought forward from Cindy as to who this other little girl belonged to, etc...:shrug:
Did the LE go after Annabelle's parents/family and get any positive or negative information. If they failed to Identify this other little girl, can you give me a quick 411 on it.
Thanx...:seeya:

Never found a Juliette Lewis and No Annabell.. ( Juliette was supposed to be Annabell's mom) they doesn't exist.. another imaginary friend like the nanny..

[*Serenity*]

Never found a Juliette Lewis and No Annabell.. ( Juliette was supposed to be Annabell's mom) they doesn't exist.. another imaginary friend like the nanny..

Probably more names from her yearbook.

[*Serenity*]

cindy said the mattress had been in the house for the past 2 months.. where did she think Caylee was sleeping the month she was gone?

No room for the mattress in trunk when you have your dead 2 year olds body in there.. one had to go.. so i guess casey pick the mattress untill Caylee's little body started smelling so bad.. then Caylee had to go..

Goes back to Cindy's myspace posting about her little angel was gone--who would take care of her, feed her, etc. and paraphrasing that Casey had no job, no money, etc. Cindy knew Caylee was missing and Cindy knew Casey didn't have a job.

And then Casey's myspace: everyone lies- everyone dies- what is given can be taken away.

Why do they kill people that kill people.... and the little girl and teddy bear with a rope. Oh the irony of why she gets the DP for killing.

[happygert]

Probably more names from her yearbook.

LOL I was thinking from her list of imaginary playmates...lol

[happygert]

Thanx Gert and good evening.

I tell you this case is like that show I use to watch years ago.
Remember the "Twilight zone?"
Seriously, Cindy has to be off her rocker to talk about Annabelle herself and the little girl don't exist either.:scared:

WTH...This case will go down in history. I can't imagine how Casey can go for this long and 2 years prior to Caylee's demise with this tall tail. It almost makes you think she had been planning this murder from the date of Caylee's delivery.

I do have to wonder where Casey was and where she planted that mattress up to 2 months from Cindy seeing it there in the house. She says she kept it in the trunk just in case Caylee spent the night with this Zanny. Just where did she go with it and where did she lay it down.:huh:

Good Evening Deannalynn
yes IMO the whole family is a few bricks short of having a full load upstairs... there elevator doesn't reach the top.. exactly, no one knows but casey where that mattress was used and she aint telling no one..

[*Serenity*]

LOL I was thinking from her list of imaginary playmates...lol


I seriously don't see how this family ever believed a word she said!
When I heard on the interview at universal and the jail house tapes
I could see right through her BS.

Maybe -- that is why Cindy constantly called her and called her friends, and heck even warned her friends that she was pretty much a nutcase and would steal them blind. AND here is a famous word right from Cindy's mouth.... RED FLAGS.... yea.... Cindy had plenty of red flags before she let her nutcase daughter go out that door with Caylee.

[happygert]

Cindy sounds like she knew Juliette Lewis. After all, she knew her first and LAST name. But of course she never met this mother. I find it interesting that she immediately knew of this Annabelle and the mother by full name.:confused:

Like LKL says, "weird"

very weird.. just like cindy saying casey was very protective over the soccer ball and foot ball casey kept it on her dresser so she could get it back to Annabell.. Im thinking wth..

[happygert]

I seriously don't see how this family ever believed a word she said!
When I heard on the interview at universal and the jail house tapes
I could see right through her BS.

Maybe -- that is why Cindy constantly called her and called her friends, and heck even warned her friends that she was pretty much a nutcase and would steal them blind. AND here is a famous word right from Cindy's mouth.... RED FLAGS.... yea.... Cindy had plenty of red flags before she let her nutcase daughter go out that door with Caylee.

IMO cindy was just like casey.. cant believe a word anyone of them says.. IMo casey learned it from the best..

[happygert]

Caylee had no playmates.. never seen one picture of her with another child..

[*Serenity*]

Caylee had no playmates.. never seen one picture of her with another child..

Her playmates were watching DVD's- cartoons - and sitting in her car seat staring at the back of Casey's head- while Casey was talking on her cell phone.

[*Serenity*]

I remember a photo of Casey and her girlfriend with their four leaf clover hats on-- and you can see Caylee in the background in
her car seat with Moma doll looking so sad.

[*Serenity*]

Caylee had no playmates.. never seen one picture of her with another child..

I believe she did visit with Christina's children once in a blue moon and had actually visited with them not long before her murder.

[happygert]

Her playmates were watching DVD's- cartoons - and sitting in her car seat staring at the back of Casey's head- while Casey was talking on her cell phone.

Yep anything to get her out of everyones hair..

[happygert]

I remember a photo of Casey and her girlfriend with their four leaf clover hats on-- and you can see Caylee in the background in
her car seat with Moma doll looking so sad.

very sad indeed.. casey had all her playmates.. whether they were dressed or not..

[happygert]

Did Christina's children attend Caylee's Birthday? Must have, No?

I don't know.. I've never seen Caylee in a picture with any other children..

[happygert]

Watched all this coverage on Fox. First time posting. How does Casey get a fair trial in Orlando?

Just like anyone else does.. you ask questions of the potential jurors.. This case has had national media coverage every where.. it will be no different in Orlando then any other county in fla..

[happygert]

Watched all this coverage on Fox. First time posting. How does Casey get a fair trial in Orlando?

IMO I'd like to see casey tell the truth of why and how she Killed Caylee.. but that would never happen.. so let her take her chances on the jury..

[*Serenity*]

Watched all this coverage on Fox. First time posting. How does Casey get a fair trial in Orlando?


Believe it or not-- many many people do not watch Nancy Grace and other talking heads. So many people do not even know about this case. She can get a fair trial through the selection of jurors.


Casey is probably hoping a few of the jurors will be young and cute to bat her eyes and look innocent. lol Notice I didn't say male or female.

[*Serenity*]

IMO I'd like to see casey tell the truth of why and how she Killed Caylee.. but that would never happen.. so let her take her chances on the jury..


Sad part about this going to trial is no one from the family will be sitting on Caylee's side for justice!!

AND after she is found guilty and they go for the penalty phase for death.... OMG.... George and Cindy will be pathetic and probably scold the jurors for their conviction.

[happygert]

Sad part about this going to trial is no one from the family will be sitting on Caylee's side for justice!!

AND after she is found guilty and they go for the penalty phase for death.... OMG.... George and Cindy will be pathetic and probably scold the jurors for their conviction.

Yes everyone wants justice for Caylee except, casey and the rest of the A's..

I get really tired of people saying casey cant get a fair trial.. Hell casey's got a fleet of attorneys, experts ,a jury and a Judge. Where was Caylee's fair trial at? her sicko whacko mom was her Judge jury, attorney, and executioner.. where was the fairness at there?

[happygert]

So you don't think that the media coverage will make a difference especially with the way that Nancy Grace and Jane V Mitchell go after Casey and her attorney?

No and by the time they get to trial the media will have moved on.. right now for the last 6 to 8 weeks it's been about MJ..

[happygert]

Did I say something wrong? I was just asking a question.

NO...lol... I just want Caylee to have her voice in that court room.. sorry JLogan.. you'll have to excuse me .. I get kinda cranky when it comes to casey and her rights when the 2 year old victims have none...

[happygert]

Well thank you for that. Looks like after reading this thread for awhile earlier there is a lot of cranky folks here. From what I see I don't know who is more hated, Casey or Cindy.

there both at the top.. cant stand either one of them.. cindy imo is just as guilty as casey is.. cindy KNEW what kind of mom casey was and did nothing to protect Caylee.. but yet its protect casey at all costs.. just sicko whack jobs both of them..

[happygert]

Nice meeting you JL.. got to run for awhile ..

[coffee1950j]

If you could pick just one thing, what do you think is the most compelling evidence against Casey?

31 days

IMO

[*Serenity*]

31 days

IMO

31 days

*next in line*

Providing incorrect date of June 9th and the initial interviews with LE at Universal-- where she had no job and no interest what so ever with assisting LE with helping her find her daughter.

[Jester]

In celebration of childhood

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgPHmSfwpRI&feature=related

[Julie Dupree]

From the Caylee Daily:SOMETHING STINKS and IT'S NOT TRASH!!!!

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2009/08/casey-anthony-something-stinks-its-not-trash/

[farrahrani]

Most compelling evidence?

Putting aside DNA, her lying about every single thing she told police, and every bit of physical evidence is this:

Casey was the last KNOWN person to be with baby Caylee when she was alive.

You MUST discount the nanny story, only because there is no evidence this woman ever existed. Even if the woman DID exist, and managed to elude investigators so far, the fact is that there is no trace of her ever having lived. NO driver's license, no social security, no work history, and no living person other than Casey has ever spoken to or seen her.

In this technological age, you leave footprints everywhere. As Casey knows by now. Cameras catching you at the store. Paperwork from hospital visits. Speed traps catching you and taking your license number. Credit history, bank accounts (and what wealthy woman who took care of kids for free has no credit history or bank account, especially when her father bought her a new car?) Car tag agencies would have her renewing her car tag, credit card applications, trips to the mall or any of the theme parks gotten on security cameras, SOMETHING.

And ignoring all of that, with all of the people involved in this case, not a single person has come forward to sell their story, about having seen this evil nanny on any tabloid or network. Not one. Given the lengths people have gone in this case to make money off of it, or keep their name in the press, someone would have cracked by now. (ebay voodoo dolls, the Milsteads, books covering the case etc) And even if someone was not motivated by greed, there are other motivations...self importance, or even some internal pressure.

Sorry, the nanny story won't fly.

Casey was the last person to have the baby when she was alive, and made up a nonexistent person to cover it. End of story.

[Julie Dupree]

Most compelling evidence?

Putting aside DNA, her lying about every single thing she told police, and every bit of physical evidence is this:

Casey was the last KNOWN person to be with baby Caylee when she was alive.

You MUST discount the nanny story, only because there is no evidence this woman ever existed. Even if the woman DID exist, and managed to elude investigators so far, the fact is that there is no trace of her ever having lived. NO driver's license, no social security, no work history, and no living person other than Casey has ever spoken to or seen her.

In this technological age, you leave footprints everywhere. As Casey knows by now. Cameras catching you at the store. Paperwork from hospital visits. Speed traps catching you and taking your license number. Credit history, bank accounts (and what wealthy woman who took care of kids for free has no credit history or bank account, especially when her father bought her a new car?) Car tag agencies would have her renewing her car tag, credit card applications, trips to the mall or any of the theme parks gotten on security cameras, SOMETHING.

And ignoring all of that, with all of the people involved in this case, not a single person has come forward to sell their story, about having seen this evil nanny on any tabloid or network. Not one. Given the lengths people have gone in this case to make money off of it, or keep their name in the press, someone would have cracked by now. (ebay voodoo dolls, the Milsteads, books covering the case etc) And even if someone was not motivated by greed, there are other motivations...self importance, or even some internal pressure.

Sorry, the nanny story won't fly.

Casey was the last person to have the baby when she was alive, and made up a nonexistent person to cover it. End of story.

Good Morning farrahrani,
How can we be sure Casey was the last to see Caylee alive? All we have past the video they made while visiting the nursing home is what was told us.....and that is very much in question.
We know Cindy and Casey had a huge, major blow up that night (even tho that is being denied by them now) but, in my opinion, we have nothing to prove Casey left the house with Caylee, or when she left, or even if she left with or without Caylee.
Any ideas?

[cassidy]

Sad part about this going to trial is no one from the family will be sitting on Caylee's side for justice!!

AND after she is found guilty and they go for the penalty phase for death.... OMG.... George and Cindy will be pathetic and probably scold the jurors for their conviction.While it is sad to think that Caylee will have no family on her side seeking justice for her, she WILL have a multitude of people on her side. The detectives who worked so hard on this case only to be crushed with disappointment when her remains were found. The dozens and dozens of people who went out to search for her. The dedicated teams who literally crawled on their hands and knees through the dirt and muck to recover as much of her remains as possible. The SA office who are working diligently and quietly to bring her killer to justice. The Grund family, who loved her in life and haven't abandoned her in death. And so many others who have come to love a little girl they never knew and never will know. They will all be sitting on Caylee side in that courtroom whether in person or in thought. Cindy, George and Lee sitting on Casey's side will pale by comparison.

[snowflakes]

Last night, some posters were speculating about the possibility that Casey may have occasionally left a drugged Caylee in her car trunk and at the abandoned house down the road from her parents.

I have always thought that the big blowup was not about $$$ but about Caylee telling the Ants about being in the the trunk or house or possibly other things that Casey may have done to her.

Caylee could talk and tattle and thus became a big liability to Casey. JMO, however....

[Sun]

Good Morning farrahrani,
How can we be sure Casey was the last to see Caylee alive? All we have past the video they made while visiting the nursing home is what was told us.....and that is very much in question.
We know Cindy and Casey had a huge, major blow up that night (even tho that is being denied by them now) but, in my opinion, we have nothing to prove Casey left the house with Caylee, or when she left, or even if she left with or without Caylee.
Any ideas?

Because the entire Anthony family is a bunch of liars, their credibility is nil. We (or a Jury) just won't be able to believe any of them as they spin their lies in a courtroom. LE has probably the very best angle on which of the three are involved in the death of Caylee, and we've yet to hear everything that they have uncovered. And, probably won't until the trial. The wheels of Justice are rolling, and I hope to be aboard throughout the entire trial and sentencing.

[Holden]

That pesky air mattress. I wondered why there was so much talk between CA and LE about it - now I see why. My stomach actually churned when I read that some of you think casey left baby Caylee alone on that mattress, possibly drugged, while she went out and partied. Makes perfect sense in a perverse way. How could she? What has become of that mattress? Do we know? I wonder if there would be any residue of drugs, or evidence of duct tape material. The more evidence that I read makes me believe Baez is going to have to advise casey to plead guilty. How can she possibly go to trial? She'll be smashed like a bug against a windshield if she tries to defend herself in a public forum - not that I would mind for a moment seeing that happen.

[Julie Dupree]

Because the entire Anthony family is a bunch of liars, their credibility is nil. We (or a Jury) just won't be able to believe any of them as they spin their lies in a courtroom. LE has probably the very best angle on which of the three are involved in the death of Caylee, and we've yet to hear everything that they have uncovered. And, probably won't until the trial. The wheels of Justice are rolling, and I hope to be aboard throughout the entire trial and sentencing.

I am so very skeptical of anything any of them say. I think the jury will be too. If it can not be proven by something other than what any of them say, I do not think the jury will ever hear it. And, along this line of thought, if they do not hear all the lies, what will they hear?
Gotta run, catch you later. Have a wonderful Wednesday.
Julie

[Sun]

IMO, one reason that Casey killed Caylee, is because everyone loved Caylee more than they loved Casey. Everyone spent more money on Caylee than Casey. Everyone gave Caylee more attention than they gave Casey. Caylee got to be a child, where Casey was being told to grow up and be an adult. Caylee could do no wrong in everyones eyes, which is what Casey wanted everyone to say about Casey.

[cassidy]

Last night, some posters were speculating about the possibility that Casey may have occasionally left a drugged Caylee in her car trunk and at the abandoned house down the road from her parents.

I have always thought that the big blowup was not about $$$ but about Caylee telling the Ants about being in the the trunk or house or possibly other things that Casey may have done to her.

Caylee could talk and tattle and thus became a big liability to Casey. JMO, however....


I would think that if Caylee had mentioned being left alone to Cindy or George that they would have been much more frantic in their hunt for her while she and Casey were "out on their own". It's always bothered me that they didn't hunt Casey down after she left the house that last time with Caylee in tow. They simply allowed her to hit the streets with a 2 year old in tow and no visible means of support and no where to stay? Then made less-than-feeble attempts to locate their granddaughter? I'm telling you, if my granddaughter so much as hinted that something wasn't quite right, her Daddy would be on the hot seat until I had a reasonable explaination and I WOULD hunt him down to get it. She goes to visit her mommy for a few days every so often and the quiet here is almost unbearable. I cannot undertand how Cindy and George got through those 31 days without Caylee.

[Holden]

I couldn't agree more, Cassidy. Why didn't the A's look for Caylee during those 31 days? Their daughter had a history of lying, stealing. Why would they suddenly start believing casey could care for their beloved Caylee? I have no doubt that they loved this child, but for God's sake, didn't they worry every moment she wasn't with them? CA was really that baby's mother, not casey. I don't know how a 'mother' could go without see or talking to her baby for 31 whole days. Was it so important for CA to buy into casey's fantasy life because it made her own life a little easier? How was she able to put aside her fears for Caylee? She had to have done that to allow herself to believe casey's lies. CA had a choice to make during those 31 days - believe her lying, thieving daughter and accept the crazy notion that she was with 'Jeff and Zack' or pull herself together, put on her smart cap and go find Caylee. I think she is in agony today because of the choice she did make.

[desmom]

IMO, one reason that Casey killed Caylee, is because everyone loved Caylee more than they loved Casey. Everyone spent more money on Caylee than Casey. Everyone gave Caylee more attention than they gave Casey. Caylee got to be a child, where Casey was being told to grow up and be an adult. Caylee could do no wrong in everyones eyes, which is what Casey wanted everyone to say about Casey.

I agree Sun. I also think Casey looked at Caylee as dead weight. A lack of a sitter, aka Cindy was not home, prevented Casey from meeting up several times with friends per Casey's text messages. Also, several of Casey's friends told LE about Cindy calling Casey and telling her she needed to come home.

jmo

[BlueTurtle]

31 days

*next in line*

Providing incorrect date of June 9th and the initial interviews with LE at Universal-- where she had no job and no interest what so ever with assisting LE with helping her find her daughter.

Added to the lie about the job to the point of taking them police to a nonexistant job when the intent was to find a 'missing' child.

[apothecary]

31 days

IMO
My answer too.She can not blame anyone else for the 31 days.

[Sun]

I would think that if Caylee had mentioned being left alone to Cindy or George that they would have been much more frantic in their hunt for her while she and Casey were "out on their own". It's always bothered me that they didn't hunt Casey down after she left the house that last time with Caylee in tow. They simply allowed her to hit the streets with a 2 year old in tow and no visible means of support and no where to stay? Then made less-than-feeble attempts to locate their granddaughter? I'm telling you, if my granddaughter so much as hinted that something wasn't quite right, her Daddy would be on the hot seat until I had a reasonable explaination and I WOULD hunt him down to get it. She goes to visit her mommy for a few days every so often and the quiet here is almost unbearable. I cannot undertand how Cindy and George got through those 31 days without Caylee.

When Cindy made that 911 call, I don't think that she had any idea that LE would arrest Casey for the crime. Cindy was hurting. Cindy missed the way that Caylee could bring a smile to her face. Cindy missed the unconditional love that Caylee gave to her. Cindy wanted someone to find Caylee and bring her back to her.... At no time did Cindy ever indicate that she wanted the person responsible to be punished (at least if she said this, it wasn't convincing to me).

At times, I do think that Cindy's words and action indicate someone who is hurting so much that they won't mentally allow themselves to face what has happened. Perhaps Cindy knows exactly what happened to Caylee, perhaps Cindy was involved (though LE appear to have found no evidence of this).

What is crystal clear though, is that Casey is involved in Caylee's death. No question in my mind. Casey's own behavior and words tell me that she is 100% guilty in the death of Caylee.

[msgatorslayer]

I agree Sun. I also think Casey looked at Caylee as dead weight. A lack of a sitter, aka Cindy was not home, prevented Casey from meeting up several times with friends per Casey's text messages. Also, several of Casey's friends told LE about Cindy calling Casey and telling her she needed to come home.

jmo

Yep, Cindy was the nanny.

Co-workers even told LE that Casey would drop Caylee off to Cindy at work. The no good, liar, couldn't even wait till Cindy got home.

[Sun]

Yep, Cindy was the nanny.

Co-workers even told LE that Casey would drop Caylee off to Cindy at work. The no good, liar, couldn't even wait till Cindy got home.

Ah, but if Casey dropped Caylee off at Cindy's work, then Cindy would likely not cause a scene and refuse to babysit Caylee. Much like two divorced parents exchanging their children in a neutral place.

IMO, Cindy wanted only to be a grandparent... allowed to spoil Caylee, but not be burdened with the responsibilities of raising Caylee. Things just weren't working out that way in the Anthony home.

[cassidy]

When Cindy made that 911 call, I don't think that she had any idea that LE would arrest Casey for the crime. Cindy was hurting. Cindy missed the way that Caylee could bring a smile to her face. Cindy missed the unconditional love that Caylee gave to her. Cindy wanted someone to find Caylee and bring her back to her.... At no time did Cindy ever indicate that she wanted the person responsible to be punished (at least if she said this, it wasn't convincing to me).

.

So Cindy just sat at home for 31 days, twiddling her thumbs, not at all concerned about Caylee and what she was eating, where she was sleeping, etc? Just calmly ( so out of character for her!) accepted Casey's excuses about Caylee napping, Caylee with the nanny? Cindy, who from 1st hand knowledge knew how often Casey went out partying because Caylee stayed with her and George, never ONCE wondered where Caylee was staying those 31 days? Not blaming Cindy alone, I include George in all of this too. These people knew their daughter and her habits better than anyone and they simply didn't worry??????????
That's incredible!

[sammy62]

Here's my take on what happened.

Casey needed to take Caylee along with her when going to "work". If she left Caylee home with Cindy, Cindy would call all night and tell her to come home. So she took her along, popped her a "zanny", put her to bed in the trunk on an air mattress. I don't believe Casey would leave Caylee at an abandoned house so far from where she was. All her friends say she was a "good" mom. I agree that was probably why Caylee had anxiety issues when Casey left her.

The night of the 15th, she left angry in a hurry. No time to prepare. Did she not have a "zanny" for Caylee, so she duct taped her and put her in the trunk, to go play with tony.

I don't like this scenario, because Caylee would have suffered...poor baby. But I don't believe Casey intentionally killed Caylee.

Now, before you jump all over me. Casey deserves life without parole. And those other two need 10-20 years for their "cover up".

This jury is still out on Lee.

[msgatorslayer]

Ah, but if Casey dropped Caylee off at Cindy's work, then Cindy would likely not cause a scene and refuse to babysit Caylee. Much like two divorced parents exchanging their children in a neutral place.

IMO, Cindy wanted only to be a grandparent... allowed to spoil Caylee, but not be burdened with the responsibilities of raising Caylee. Things just weren't working out that way in the Anthony home.

Good point about the 'neutral place'.

[Sun]

Here's my take on what happened.

Casey needed to take Caylee along with her when going to "work". If she left Caylee home with Cindy, Cindy would call all night and tell her to come home. So she took her along, popped her a "zanny", put her to bed in the trunk on an air mattress. I don't believe Casey would leave Caylee at an abandoned house so far from where she was. All her friends say she was a "good" mom. I agree that was probably why Caylee had anxiety issues when Casey left her.

The night of the 15th, she left angry in a hurry. No time to prepare. Did she not have a "zanny" for Caylee, so she duct taped her and put her in the trunk, to go play with tony.

I don't like this scenario, because Caylee would have suffered...poor baby. But I don't believe Casey intentionally killed Caylee.

Now, before you jump all over me. Casey deserves life without parole. And those other two need 10-20 years for their "cover up".

This jury is still out on Lee.

Let me ask you to do an experiment. The temps are probably not too much different in August than they are in June. Go out and get in the trunk of a car, shut the lid. Stay there for an hour. They if you are still able, come back here and tell me that you still think that Casey made a habit of drugging Caylee and leaving her in the trunk of the car. ..... no, please don't do this experiment. It could be deadly.

[Barbara fl.]

Let me ask you to do an experiment. The temps are probably not too much different in August than they are in June. Go out and get in the trunk of a car, shut the lid. Stay there for an hour. They if you are still able, come back here and tell me that you still think that Casey made a habit of drugging Caylee and leaving her in the trunk of the car. ..... no, please don't do this experiment. It could be deadly.



:lol: I'm glad to withdrew the request....some people just might try it...I doubt that you would want that on your conscious.. hammer

[sammy62]

Let me ask you to do an experiment. The temps are probably not too much different in August than they are in June. Go out and get in the trunk of a car, shut the lid. Stay there for an hour. They if you are still able, come back here and tell me that you still think that Casey made a habit of drugging Caylee and leaving her in the trunk of the car. ..... no, please don't do this experiment. It could be deadly.

I've thought about that. I don't know...I can't think evil enough to figure this case out.

[sammy62]

Let me ask you to do an experiment. The temps are probably not too much different in August than they are in June. Go out and get in the trunk of a car, shut the lid. Stay there for an hour. They if you are still able, come back here and tell me that you still think that Casey made a habit of drugging Caylee and leaving her in the trunk of the car. ..... no, please don't do this experiment. It could be deadly.

By the time I could hall this flb into a trunk, I'd probably die from exhaustion.

[Sun]

:lol: I'm glad to withdrew the request....some people just might try it...I doubt that you would want that on your conscious.. hammer

It felt good to type it out. ... I don't wish harm on you or anyone else who might want to try the experiment.

IMO, Caylee was put in that trunk when she was either dead or already sufficating to death. It's an ugly thought. And, it brings tears to my eyes just thinking about what Caylee may have experienced in those last moments.

[Barbara fl.]

So Cindy just sat at home for 31 days, twiddling her thumbs, not at all concerned about Caylee and what she was eating, where she was sleeping, etc? Just calmly ( so out of character for her!) accepted Casey's excuses about Caylee napping, Caylee with the nanny? Cindy, who from 1st hand knowledge knew how often Casey went out partying because Caylee stayed with her and George, never ONCE wondered where Caylee was staying those 31 days? Not blaming Cindy alone, I include George in all of this too. These people knew their daughter and her habits better than anyone and they simply didn't worry??????????
That's incredible!


That is just how I feel....Cindy and George should have hunted Casey down the first night she was gone (I would have)...31 days is unforgivable for for any of them...

Both Cindy and Casey are head strong...I believe that Cindy thought Casey was trying to torture her, not realizing that this could have happened....Cindy should have swallowed her pride and went after Casey, if nothing more then for Caylee's sake....I know I would have...

Just no way would I be able to sit back for 31 day's not knowing (as you said) where my grandchild was sleeping, eating etc......just no way...

[really3997]

The hearing is this week correct.

[Barbara fl.]

It felt good to type it out. ... I don't wish harm on you or anyone else who might want to try the experiment.

IMO, Caylee was put in that trunk when she was either dead or already sufficating to death. It's an ugly thought. And, it brings tears to my eyes just thinking about what Caylee may have experienced in those last moments.


Oh, don't worry about me trying it, I live in Florida, and I wouldn't put a pizza back there for more than 5 minutes...

However, I too feel as you do, Caylee did not die in the trunk accidental...The tape was the murder weapon here, and if Caylee was dying when put in the trunk, it was because she may have been trying to fight for her life.....but by no means was this an accidental death...Caylee was either already deceased or on her way out when placed in that trunk....And it kills me to write or even think about what that poor child went thru.....The Anthony's should think about it, and maybe they would change their minds about trying to cover for this murderer.....

[Sun]

Whew! I've got to channel my thoughts down a different path.

It's been months since Casey as in the courtroom. Does anyone think that we'll see any change in her? She's had a major change in the defense team, with the addition of Lyon.

[Sun]

The hearing is this week correct.

It's scheduled for 9:30 a.m. Friday August 21.

[msgatorslayer]

Whew! I've got to channel my thoughts down a different path.

It's been months since Casey as in the courtroom. Does anyone think that we'll see any change in her? She's had a major change in the defense team, with the addition of Lyon.

I hope someone buys her some new clothes. She's probably packed on even more pounds since we seen her last.

[Sun]

Really, good to see you here during the daytime hours! You wouldn't happen to know what vehicle Conway drives would you? Or if he is still driving?

[Barbara fl.]

Here's my take on what happened.

Casey needed to take Caylee along with her when going to "work". If she left Caylee home with Cindy, Cindy would call all night and tell her to come home. So she took her along, popped her a "zanny", put her to bed in the trunk on an air mattress. I don't believe Casey would leave Caylee at an abandoned house so far from where she was. All her friends say she was a "good" mom. I agree that was probably why Caylee had anxiety issues when Casey left her.

The night of the 15th, she left angry in a hurry. No time to prepare. Did she not have a "zanny" for Caylee, so she duct taped her and put her in the trunk, to go play with tony.

I don't like this scenario, because Caylee would have suffered...poor baby. But I don't believe Casey intentionally killed Caylee.

Now, before you jump all over me. Casey deserves life without parole. And those other two need 10-20 years for their "cover up".

This jury is still out on Lee.


Sorry Sammy, can not go along with that scenerio.....Casey intentionally murdered her daughter, probably to hurt Cindy all the more...But ANY LOVING parent that accidentally murder their child would not react in the mannerism that Casey did....they would not just throw their child in a garbage bag and dump her like trash...They would have broke down soon afterwards (if it was an accident)....She partied for 31 days as if a big burden had been removed from her shoulders...

Accident? NO WAY.......all the way INTENTIONAL.....JMO

[really3997]

Really, good to see you here during the daytime hours! You wouldn't happen to know what vehicle Conway drives would you? Or if he is still driving?

Conway drives a large van. like a econoline (sp) not a minivan. Red why

[Sun]

I hope someone buys her some new clothes. She's probably packed on even more pounds since we seen her last.

Casey is now living a very boring life, where food is likely something that breaks up her boring days. She's confined in a single cell, which appears to be large enough for her to be able to do some stationary exercises. She's had plenty of time to tone up, if she wants to.

[desmom]

Yep, Cindy was the nanny.

Co-workers even told LE that Casey would drop Caylee off to Cindy at work. The no good, liar, couldn't even wait till Cindy got home.

but, but according to George, Casey was a nanny.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18031958/detail.html
"I found a resume that my daughter had typed all the way to 2006, and my daughter showed that she was employed, which I know she was from 2004 to 2006, either through Universal or Colorvision (or another company). That I can verify. I know that because we've met these people that she worked with -- or my wife has -- I've talked to them over the phone," George Anthony said in the August interview. "At 2006, she wrote down -- or typed out in her nice resume -- nanny."

IMO, this little tidbit from George will be introduced at trial. Hmmm, I wonder if the defense will produce Casey's employers from 2006.... :lol:

[really3997]

Really, good to see you here during the daytime hours! You wouldn't happen to know what vehicle Conway drives would you? Or if he is still driving?

sorry I forgot to address this. They put me in cubicle tucked away from anyone.. I can sneak on more over here. Not many visitors in the area:thumbsup:

[Sun]

Conway drives a large van. like a econoline (sp) not a minivan. Red why

Have you seen it over at the Anthonys anytime in the last month?

[Barbara fl.]

Casey is now living a very boring life, where food is likely something that breaks up her boring days. She's confined in a single cell, which appears to be large enough for her to be able to do some stationary exercises. She's had plenty of time to tone up, if she wants to.



But who would she want to tone up for? Big Burtha....:biggrin:

[cassidy]

That is just how I feel....Cindy and George should have hunted Casey down the first night she was gone (I would have)...31 days is unforgivable for for any of them...

Both Cindy and Casey are head strong...I believe that Cindy thought Casey was trying to torture her, not realizing that this could have happened....Cindy should have swallowed her pride and went after Casey, if nothing more then for Caylee's sake....I know I would have...

Just no way would I be able to sit back for 31 day's not knowing (as you said) where my grandchild was sleeping, eating etc......just no way...

How about George. Let's not leave him out here. Why didn't HE hunt her down?

[bchand]

How about George. Let's not leave him out here. Why didn't HE hunt her down?

I agree with you cassidy. Especially since George made such a point in his statements that HE was the person who spent the most time with Caylee. What happened? Why didn't he become more involved in finding her? Does Cindy wield that much power over him?

[Barbara fl.]

How about George. Let's not leave him out here. Why didn't HE hunt her down?


Right, the whole family should have been out looking...I wouldn't have been able to work, yet Cindy went every day....If it weren't for the tow company informing them of the car, no telling if we would even be having this conversation....

Just suppose the odor wasn't in the car and Casey didn't abandon it....what would have happened? how many months would have had to go by before Caylee would have been reported missing?

[need2no]

How about George. Let's not leave him out here. Why didn't HE hunt her down?

ITA, seems he had plenty of time on his hands. Also that LE background and experience should have kicked in.

[nana6]

So you don't think that the media coverage will make a difference especially with the way that Nancy Grace and Jane V Mitchell go after Casey and her attorney?

nope. They go after anyone who has commited a crime against children. This case will be no different.

[Sun]

Conway drives a large van. like a econoline (sp) not a minivan. Red why

Sent you a PM.

[msgatorslayer]

How about George. Let's not leave him out here. Why didn't HE hunt her down?

I don't think either of them really wanted to know the TRUTH about what Casey and Caylee were doing for those 31 days. Things were quiet around the house and a weight lifted from their shoulders, IMO.

[Barbara fl.]

The way I understand Cindy, she was always freaking out and going after Casey with her mouth and sometimes to the point where it got physical. But then again she would be texting Casey and calling her shortly thereafter. Almost like Cindy was trying to protect Caylee from what she thought Casey was capable of.
Cindy wanted Caylee to straighten up, be responsible and take care of her responsibilities as a mother to Caylee. Cindy contacted Casey in those 31 days several times and wanted to believe Caylee was being looked after and she was safe. Instead of looking for Casey and Caylee immediately after Casey gave Cindy numerous excuses why she couldn't have contact with her own Granddaughter, should have given Cindy a BIG red flag. That was unusual and not a pattern of Casey's ever before.
Cindy was relaxing and enjoying her days without the little one running around the house and Cindy having to take care of her, bathe her, feed her and watch her. Cindy was just as responsible for Caylee's death as Casey. She was the main caretaker regardless. That baby was biologically Casey's but Cindy had her under her supervision from the day they brought Caylee home from the hospital.



Yes, in most cases it called "Hard Love"...but it's not the wisest to try on all young people...and Cindy should have known that motherhood was not within Casey.....

I would have taken action....infact I did, and my granddaughter (now 12) is with me....

[Sun]

How about George. Let's not leave him out here. Why didn't HE hunt her down?

You bring up a very good point Cassidy. Some have said that there are only two outgoing calls to Casey on George's cell phone during those 31 days. I've not studies the cell phone records closely, or don't know if George could maybe have used the Anthony home phone.

After I read through those first 400 pages of Discovery, my thoughts were that Casey was 100% involved in the death of Caylee. And, I still had an uneasy feeling in regards to George's possible involvement. I watched the video of the Bond hearding, and the body language between Casey and George also left me wondering if George and Casey were sharing a secret that was being kept from Cindy.

[Sun]

The way I understand Cindy, she was always freaking out and going after Casey with her mouth and sometimes to the point where it got physical. But then again she would be texting Casey and calling her shortly thereafter. Almost like Cindy was trying to protect Caylee from what she thought Casey was capable of.
Cindy wanted Caylee to straighten up, be responsible and take care of her responsibilities as a mother to Caylee. Cindy contacted Casey in those 31 days several times and wanted to believe Caylee was being looked after and she was safe. Instead of looking for Casey and Caylee immediately after Casey gave Cindy numerous excuses why she couldn't have contact with her own Granddaughter, should have given Cindy a BIG red flag. That was unusual and not a pattern of Casey's ever before.
Cindy was relaxing and enjoying her days without the little one running around the house and Cindy having to take care of her, bathe her, feed her and watch her. Cindy was just as responsible for Caylee's death as Casey. She was the main caretaker regardless. That baby was biologically Casey's but Cindy had her under her supervision from the day they brought Caylee home from the hospital.

Cindy has an overpowering personality, rules the home, central figure in the home, and is on a pedestal of her own. Self-righteous and judgemental. Her MO is to attack people at a very personal level. She refuses to acknowledge any wrongdoing in her children because to do so would be like accepting her own failure at being a wife or mother (not being controlling enough). Deep inside her there is this insecurity that causes her to be highly embarrased by her children's failures so no one outside her four walls should ever know what really happens at home. She feels bad at times for the punishment therefore she wil go thru periods where enabling occurs. Self proclaims herself as her daughter's best friend - a real fallacy as the way Casey feels about her is complete opposite. Casey never really lets mom in her "IN"circle.

[Sun]

http://www.wftv.com/news/20079504/detail.html

Friday August 21 - 9:30 a.m. ...Court Hearing in the Criminal Case

TIM MILLER: Motion
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20090064/detail.html

TIM MILLER: Materiality
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20090071/detail.html

TIM MILLER: Appendices
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20090246/detail.html

TIM MILLER: Memorandum
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20090308/detail.html


Will TM be in the courtroom with NeJame? I hear that he's in Florida this week.

[martha]

Good morning everyone, That is the sad part that cindy let casey take CAYLEE away from the house and she knew what casey was like when she got mad. I would have done something to keep casey from taken her away from the house she had known all her life. all her things were there. cindy worked and casey had plenty of time to bond with her if she wanted to. she did not have to take her away from the house to bond with her. cindy knew casey was seeing guys and partying. cindy knew there was no nanny. cindy did not want to take care of her is the reason she let casey take her with her and now I am sure cindy know what she did wrong. so does george. Lee knows too. He just not going to say anything about his mother and daddy.He can;t he is living with them now is he not? JMHO

[ClimbingRose]

How about George. Let's not leave him out here. Why didn't HE hunt her down?

EXACTLY, George told LE that he had been suspicious of KC for awhile and had went to one of the places KC said she was employed at and discovered she had never worked the. He also felt that some of the guys in KC's life needed to be warned about her..

[margaritaville]

Last night, some posters were speculating about the possibility that Casey may have occasionally left a drugged Caylee in her car trunk and at the abandoned house down the road from her parents.

I have always thought that the big blowup was not about $$$ but about Caylee telling the Ants about being in the the trunk or house or possibly other things that Casey may have done to her.
Caylee could talk and tattle and thus became a big liability to Casey. JMO, however....

Oh I totally agree with this. i also believe that Caylee being left is what Lee was talking about when he asked Casey if this was like "what happened before"........

[Bala]

Last night, some posters were speculating about the possibility that Casey may have occasionally left a drugged Caylee in her car trunk and at the abandoned house down the road from her parents.

I have always thought that the big blowup was not about $$$ but about Caylee telling the Ants about being in the the trunk or house or possibly other things that Casey may have done to her.

Caylee could talk and tattle and thus became a big liability to Casey. JMO, however....
I've often thought that the fight happened and Casey went to leave and take Caylee but Caylee through a fit and didn't want to go with her mother. If Casey was locking her in the trunk of the car Caylee may have clung to Cindy begging not to go with her mother.
I can tell you first hand that a grandmother knows the difference between a child having a temper tantrum and a child in fear. Cindy had to have know if Caylee was fearful of leaving the home with Casey she just did nothing about it until it was to late.

[cassidy]

Oh I totally agree with this. i also believe that Caylee being left is what Lee was talking about when he asked Casey if this was like "what happened before"........

Yep I'd like to know what it was that happened before.

[Barbara fl.]

I've often thought that the fight happened and Casey went to leave and take Caylee but Caylee through a fit and didn't want to go with her mother. If Casey was locking her in the trunk of the car Caylee may have clung to Cindy begging not to go with her mother.
I can tell you first hand that a grandmother knows the difference between a child having a temper tantrum and a child in fear. Cindy had to have know if Caylee was fearful of leaving the home with Casey she just did nothing about it until it was to late.

You are so right...one can easily tell when a child doesn't want to go with a particular person (even a parent) that it is more fear than just throwing a tantrum...

However, for some reason, some children still go with an abusive parent because of the bond that the child has with that parent...I have seen this many times...It is my belief that Casey may not have been an abusive parent in that sense....I truly doubt that Caylee was put in the trunk on a regular bases or on any bases for that matter....this is almost instant death in a hot climate...Caylee would not have made it to her first birthday with that sort of habit....

It is my belief that Casey was more of an individual that thought on what to do and when to do it...she was a planner alright (just not for Universal events)...she planned this in her mind while on the surface she pretended to be a good mother....she wouldn't possibly let her friends/associates see her for what she really was....Then the night of the big fight with Cindy, she became so enraged and her plan went into action....she did this without the thought of the consequences....but none the less planned......JMO

[Bala]

Cindy is all talk and no action and Casey knows it. Cindy may rant and rave but she would never call the police or children's service and embarrass herself and Casey took full advantage thus giving Casey all the control.

[need2no]

I've often thought that the fight happened and Casey went to leave and take Caylee but Caylee through a fit and didn't want to go with her mother. If Casey was locking her in the trunk of the car Caylee may have clung to Cindy begging not to go with her mother.
I can tell you first hand that a grandmother knows the difference between a child having a temper tantrum and a child in fear. Cindy had to have know if Caylee was fearful of leaving the home with Casey she just did nothing about it until it was to late.


I think most of us have assumed that casey drug a screaming and very upset Caylee away from the Anthony house on June 15. Maybe, just maybe, casey angrily told her mom to keep Caylee she was leaving, or just attempted to storm out of the house without Caylee in tow, but Cindy insisted she take HER DAUGHTER with her that night, no more 'dumping' on grandma! At this point casey knew she was stuck with 'the kid', and lashed out on Caylee from anger and revenge.

So.. since Cindy had insisted casey take her daughter with her that night she was hard pressed to track casey down and demand to talk to the granddaughter she refused to keep. Maybe this is why Cindy felt casey was purposefully denying her the opportunity to speak with Caylee over the phone. Cindy may have assumed that stubborn casey would come around eventually when she calmed down and/or needed a sitter, but in the meantime she would show her! She'd force casey to accept her responsibility as a mother, and realize how much she depended on Cindy.

No doubt Cindy would never want anyone to know this is what happened...maybe this could explain casey's jail comment....."I haven't said anything." Maybe this is why Cindy now pretends to support casey and hopes she will keep this to herself.

Just a thought.....

[Barbara fl.]

Catching up...haven't been on lately...very busy.

Remember Juliette Lewis is an actress who starred in Natural Born Killers...a favorite of Casey's.



And Casey is a natural alright.....

[djmsmom]

I think most of us have assumed that casey drug a screaming and very upset Caylee away from the Anthony house on June 15. Maybe, just maybe, casey angrily told her mom to keep Caylee she was leaving, or just attempted to storm out of the house without Caylee in tow, but Cindy insisted she take HER DAUGHTER with her that night, no more 'dumping' on grandma! At this point casey knew she was stuck with 'the kid', and lashed out on Caylee from anger and revenge.

So.. since Cindy had insisted casey take her daughter with her that night she was hard pressed to track casey down and demand to talk to the granddaughter she refused to keep. Maybe this is why Cindy felt casey was purposefully denying her the opportunity to speak with Caylee over the phone. Cindy may have assumed that stubborn casey would come around eventually when she calmed down and/or needed a sitter, but in the meantime she would show her! She'd force casey to accept her responsibility as a mother, and realize how much she depended on Cindy.

No doubt Cindy would never want anyone to know this is what happened...maybe this could explain casey's jail comment....."I haven't said anything." Maybe this is why Cindy now pretends to support casey and hopes she will keep this to herself.

Just a thought.....

Either Cindy made Casey take Caylee or Casey took her to hurt Cindy as in well you'll never see her again. Maybe Casey left to advoid answering any more questions. Then of course Casey never even tried to go it alone. She continued to sleal from the home and use Cindys Credit cards.

[Barbara fl.]

I think most of us have assumed that casey drug a screaming and very upset Caylee away from the Anthony house on June 15. Maybe, just maybe, casey angrily told her mom to keep Caylee she was leaving, or just attempted to storm out of the house without Caylee in tow, but Cindy insisted she take HER DAUGHTER with her that night, no more 'dumping' on grandma! At this point casey knew she was stuck with 'the kid', and lashed out on Caylee from anger and revenge.

So.. since Cindy had insisted casey take her daughter with her that night she was hard pressed to track casey down and demand to talk to the granddaughter she refused to keep. Maybe this is why Cindy felt casey was purposefully denying her the opportunity to speak with Caylee over the phone. Cindy may have assumed that stubborn casey would come around eventually when she calmed down and/or needed a sitter, but in the meantime she would show her! She'd force casey to accept her responsibility as a mother, and realize how much she depended on Cindy.

No doubt Cindy would never want anyone to know this is what happened...maybe this could explain casey's jail comment....."I haven't said anything." Maybe this is why Cindy now pretends to support casey and hopes she will keep this to herself.

Just a thought.....


I agree.. that is what probably happened....I myself have tried to make a child of mine be responsible....however, 31 days would be too much of a bluff, I would be out looking no later then the second day they were gone, if not the first day....

No parent is perfect and we all have tried in someway or another to get our point across whether it was right or wrong....we are human....however, 31 days is an awful long time to be bluffing your daughter...There was a young child involved, and Cindy and George should have been aware by this time that Casey could not be trusted for any length of time with her own daughter....

I would have been all over looking for my grandchild....

[cassidy]

I think most of us have assumed that casey drug a screaming and very upset Caylee away from the Anthony house on June 15. Maybe, just maybe, casey angrily told her mom to keep Caylee she was leaving, or just attempted to storm out of the house without Caylee in tow, but Cindy insisted she take HER DAUGHTER with her that night, no more 'dumping' on grandma! At this point casey knew she was stuck with 'the kid', and lashed out on Caylee from anger and revenge.

So.. since Cindy had insisted casey take her daughter with her that night she was hard pressed to track casey down and demand to talk to the granddaughter she refused to keep. Maybe this is why Cindy felt casey was purposefully denying her the opportunity to speak with Caylee over the phone. Cindy may have assumed that stubborn casey would come around eventually when she calmed down and/or needed a sitter, but in the meantime she would show her! She'd force casey to accept her responsibility as a mother, and realize how much she depended on Cindy.

No doubt Cindy would never want anyone to know this is what happened...maybe this could explain casey's jail comment....."I haven't said anything." Maybe this is why Cindy now pretends to support casey and hopes she will keep this to herself.

Just a thought.....

Interesting scenario and a distinct possibility, along with a few others. I can see Cindy not wanting the world to know that she kicked her granddaughter out along with her daughter. So Casey keeps Cindy's secret and Cindy keeps Casey's.

[cassidy]

I agree.. that is what probably happened....I myself have tried to make a child of mine be responsible....however, 31 days would be too much of a bluff, I would be out looking no later then the second day they were gone, if not the first day....

No parent is perfect and we all have tried in someway or another to get our point across whether it was right or wrong....we are human....however, 31 days is an awful long time to be bluffing your daughter...There was a young child involved, and Cindy and George should have been aware by this time that Casey could not be trusted for any length of time with her own daughter....

I would have been all over looking for my grandchild....

So would I Barbara.

[crimeq]

Believe it or not-- many many people do not watch Nancy Grace and other talking heads. So many people do not even know about this case. She can get a fair trial through the selection of jurors.


Casey is probably hoping a few of the jurors will be young and cute to bat her eyes and look innocent. lol Notice I didn't say male or female.

Case in point, I follow this case avidly but almost never watch Nancy Grace. I don't watch much TV period. I don't get my Casey news from NG or other talking heads, unless someone here has pointed out a very special coverage on one of the shows; then I may watch it, if I remember :glare:

[crimeq]

If you could pick just one thing, what do you think is the most compelling evidence against Casey?

hard to choose just one, lol, but I think it's the 31 days of not reporting Caylee missing.

[crimeq]

31 days

*next in line*

Providing incorrect date of June 9th and the initial interviews with LE at Universal-- where she had no job and no interest what so ever with assisting LE with helping her find her daughter.

LOL Serenity, I too said 31 days, and your next in line is also my next n line! It was all clear as a bell on Day 32 ;-)

[need2no]

Either Cindy made Casey take Caylee or Casey took her to hurt Cindy as in well you'll never see her again. Maybe Casey left to advoid answering any more questions. Then of course Casey never even tried to go it alone. She continued to sleal from the home and use Cindys Credit cards.


We may never know the truth since I highly doubt casey will be put on the stand to testify. Of course if she shared this info with Baez he could guestion Cindy about it when she testilies at the trial. I've just been trying to figure out what the secret is that the A's are trying to hide, as well as make some sense of why they seem to cast poor Caylee aside while supporting their obviously guilty murderess daughter. Cindy's own guilt, and pretending to support casey so she will keep her mouth shut, perhaps. This scenario (of Cindy refusing to keep Caylee) would also explain why the A's don't visit casey in jail. Now that the game of Zany has Caylee has ended, AND the death penalty is back on the table casey might speak out about this to Cindy if she visits. casey had no reason to speak of this in the past....not while mommie and daddy were buying the kidnapping story. But at this point casey might lash out at Cindy and say something like none of this would have happened to Caylee if you would've been willing to keep her that night.

[Explorer]

Hi everyone. Cindy Anthony will have to live the rest of her life with that picture in her head.

[Explorer]

Dont know if this was already discussed but when Lee said this isnt like the last time maybe casey anthony was keeping Caylee in the trunk and lost her keys and they found out that Caylee was in the trunk. OMG

[apothecary]

Dont know if this was already discussed but when Lee said this isnt like the last time maybe casey anthony was keeping Caylee in the trunk and lost her keys and they found out that Caylee was in the trunk. OMG
Wow,what a thought.Cindy did stress that Casey kept 2 sets of keys in case Caylee was locked in the car.:scared:

[need2no]

I agree.. that is what probably happened....I myself have tried to make a child of mine be responsible....however, 31 days would be too much of a bluff, I would be out looking no later then the second day they were gone, if not the first day....

No parent is perfect and we all have tried in someway or another to get our point across whether it was right or wrong....we are human....however, 31 days is an awful long time to be bluffing your daughter...There was a young child involved, and Cindy and George should have been aware by this time that Casey could not be trusted for any length of time with her own daughter....

I would have been all over looking for my grandchild....

Right, as moms we understand that sometimes you have to try different ways to force your children to accept responsibility. Sometimes we have to do this in a manner that is painful to us, but seems to be our only remaining recourse at the time. Tough love.

But believe me I'm sure as heck not making excuses for Cindy, nor am I trying to justify her behavior or delays by suggesting this scenario. I just see both Cindy and casey as bullheaded, my way or the highway, I'll show you, play head games type of women. So it's possible Cindy just thought casey was mad at her and would drag this little 'hold out' for a while. After all this time had passed and Cindy had still not been able to speak to Caylee, she tried the poor pitiful me routine with the July 3rd MySpace post, apparently trying to garner some empathy by pointing out all she had done for Caylee.

Like you...I would have been frantically searching for my grandchild, especially if my daughter had a history of bad acts like casey.

[cassidy]

Right, as moms we understand that sometimes you have to try different ways to force your children to accept responsibility. Sometimes we have to do this in a manner that is painful to us, but seems to be our only remaining recourse at the time. Tough love.

But believe me I'm sure as heck not making excuses for Cindy, nor am I trying to justify her behavior or delays by suggesting this scenario. I just see both Cindy and casey as bullheaded, my way or the highway, I'll show you, play head games type of women. So it's possible Cindy just thought casey was mad at her and would drag this little 'hold out' for a while. After all this time had passed and Cindy had still not been able to speak to Caylee, she tried the poor pitiful me routine with the July 3rd MySpace post, apparently trying to garner some empathy by pointing out all she had done for Caylee.

Like you...I would have been frantically searching for my grandchild, especially if my daughter had a history of bad acts like casey.

Which still doesn't explain George's inaction.

[Explorer]

Wow,what a thought.Cindy did stress that Casey kept 2 sets of keys in case Caylee was locked in the car.:scared:

I can hear caseys explaination well we were playing hide and seek and Caylee jumped in the trunk and it closed! Can you believe that?

[JHP]

Interesting scenario and a distinct possibility, along with a few others. I can see Cindy not wanting the world to know that she kicked her granddaughter out along with her daughter. So Casey keeps Cindy's secret and Cindy keeps Casey's.

ITA that they are all hiding something. Cindy and George in the courtroom looking at Casey as though they were scared to death. Not for Casey, but for themselves.
I still think at some point they have all helped in the coverup.

[Explorer]

ITA that they are all hiding something. Cindy and George in the courtroom looking at Casey as though they were scared to death. Not for Casey, but for themselves.
I still think at some point they have all helped in the coverup.

I agree. There is something BIG that they are hiding.

[crimeq]

I hope someone buys her some new clothes. She's probably packed on even more pounds since we seen her last.

She can wear Cindy's old clothes--just like Cindy has probably dipped into Casey's old clothes.

[Barbara fl.]

ITA that they are all hiding something. Cindy and George in the courtroom looking at Casey as though they were scared to death. Not for Casey, but for themselves.
I still think at some point they have all helped in the coverup.


Not to be sticking up for the Anthony's (because I certainly am not)...But what parent wouldn't look scared at their child being charged for their granddaughter's murder....

It would be enough to scare me to death...

The cover up part, I know I wouldn't be doing, but that wouldn't make me any less scared....

[JHP]

I agree. There is something BIG that they are hiding.

I've even thought of the possibility that C,G,&L don't even fully know what each others involvement is.

It must really stink to be them.

[need2no]

Interesting scenario and a distinct possibility, along with a few others. I can see Cindy not wanting the world to know that she kicked her granddaughter out along with her daughter. So Casey keeps Cindy's secret and Cindy keeps Casey's.


During the time when the A's were visiting casey in jail they seemed, (or at least pretended) to buy into the theory that Caylee had been kidnapped by the nanny, along with trying to throw in a few others (like Jesse) being somehow involved. At this point casey had no reason to remind Cindy that she insisted casey take Caylee with her that night. Mom and dad were going along with her madeup tale so no need to rock the boat since they were being supportive, and there for her.

But things changed when Caylee was found. casey could no longer sit there telling them a bunch of bull about Zany and her having a key to the A's house, or how she knew in her heart Caylee would soon be home with them. No longer could they converse about the latest sighting of Caylee, or about the reward offered to find her, etc.

I don't think the A's want to visit casey, and I don't think casey wants them to visit. Conway thinks there is no reason why they shouldn't visit casey. But I think both casey and the A's are afraid of what secrets might be divulged now that Caylee has been found. It's been a whole new ballgame since December 11th, especially with the DP put back on the table. casey wants them to continue to support her and try to get her out of this mess, and they are continuing to do so in the hope that the little secret won't be told by casey.

[JHP]

Not to be sticking up for the Anthony's (because I certainly am not)...But what parent wouldn't look scared at their child being charged for their granddaughter's murder....

It would be enough to scare me to death...

The cover up part, I know I wouldn't be doing, but that wouldn't make me any less scared....

ITA with you about being sacred for Casey, But this is something more IMO.

I think the day i'm thinking about was the first day Lyon was in the courtroom.

[*Serenity*]

Dont know if this was already discussed but when Lee said this isnt like the last time maybe casey anthony was keeping Caylee in the trunk and lost her keys and they found out that Caylee was in the trunk. OMG

Could be the reason Cindy stated that Casey had a spare key to the car and always carried in her pocket.

[need2no]

Which still doesn't explain George's inaction.

Could be George was enjoying the quiet in the home, no more battles between the 2 women, no more stealing from them. Could be because George bought into (or was forced into) buying Cindy's theory that casey was just p*ssed and would come around in due time. Could be that George is a procrastinator. Could be George hoped casey would come up with a plan to live on her own with Caylee. Could be George took this opportunity to do some secretive stuff of his own. Could be George was scared to do anything because Cindy insisted this be handled HER way.

[Explorer]

Could be George was enjoying the quiet in the home, no more battles between the 2 women, no more stealing from them. Could be because George bought into (or was forced into) buying Cindy's theory that casey was just p*ssed and would come around in due time. Could be that George is a procrastinator. Could be George hoped casey would come up with a plan to live on her own with Caylee. Could be George took this opportunity to do some secretive stuff of his own. Could be George was scared to do anything because Cindy insisted this be handled HER way.

Whipped down. George is whipped down.

[need2no]

Whipped down. George is whipped down.

No doubt about it.

I suspect each time George was unemployed, the more whipped down (by Cindy) that he became. Money is power, Cindy had the power in that house.

[Explorer]

Yes, I thought about that too...someone may have told her at one time she looked like her...NOT!!! Casey you are not a 10 and either is your mom...even though she thinks she is too.

Yep I agree:thumbsup:

[Imperfect4]

I think most of us have assumed that casey drug a screaming and very upset Caylee away from the Anthony house on June 15. Maybe, just maybe, casey angrily told her mom to keep Caylee she was leaving, or just attempted to storm out of the house without Caylee in tow, but Cindy insisted she take HER DAUGHTER with her that night, no more 'dumping' on grandma! At this point casey knew she was stuck with 'the kid', and lashed out on Caylee from anger and revenge.

So.. since Cindy had insisted casey take her daughter with her that night she was hard pressed to track casey down and demand to talk to the granddaughter she refused to keep. Maybe this is why Cindy felt casey was purposefully denying her the opportunity to speak with Caylee over the phone. Cindy may have assumed that stubborn casey would come around eventually when she calmed down and/or needed a sitter, but in the meantime she would show her! She'd force casey to accept her responsibility as a mother, and realize how much she depended on Cindy.

No doubt Cindy would never want anyone to know this is what happened...maybe this could explain casey's jail comment....."I haven't said anything." Maybe this is why Cindy now pretends to support casey and hopes she will keep this to herself.

Just a thought.....

I think your thought is highly plausible, n2k. I think the main reason G&C didn't go after Casey with guns blazing was because some of what precipitated her departure from their home had to do with them insisting she grow up, stand on her own two feet, and be a proper parent to Caylee. They could hardly then turn around and track her down like a dog as soon as she left the house -- they had to give her *space* to finally grow up.

All that seems fairly normal to me -- if we were discussing a normal family. What really ticks me off is I think both G&C knew Casey was such a mess (due in large part to their own lack of parenting skills) it wasn't likely she was capable of doing -- or cared to do -- what they were at long last demanding of her. The time to bring her in line was long past, and it infuriates me they rolled the dice on Caylee's welfare by trying to turn their lemon of a daughter into lemonade overnight, with Caylee in tow.

If that's what happened -- and I suspect something similar did.

[Explorer]

Casey and Cindy Anthony have an ego malfunction when they look in the mirror they see 10 when the rest of us see 0.

[Explorer]

They think they are incredibly clever and fancy themselves hotties. Ill bet Cindy anthony was put down a few pegs when the last time we saw her it looked like she grew a little white tail. Casey anthony was put down a few pegs when we saw her bustin loose out of her shirt.

[Sun]

From the Clerk of Courts records on the Criminal Case. (I wish they'd provide just a little more specific info)

8/18/2009 A AMENDED MOTION FOR APPLICATION FOR SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM

[Explorer]

I just looked up the term. It means bring with you under threat of punishment Wikipedia

[summer]

I think your thought is highly plausible, n2k. I think the main reason G&C didn't go after Casey with guns blazing was because some of what precipitated her departure from their home had to do with them insisting she grow up, stand on her own two feet, and be a proper parent to Caylee. They could hardly then turn around and track her down like a dog as soon as she left the house -- they had to give her *space* to finally grow up.

All that seems fairly normal to me -- if we were discussing a normal family. What really ticks me off is I think both G&C knew Casey was such a mess (due in large part to their own lack of parenting skills) it wasn't likely she was capable of doing -- or cared to do -- what they were at long last demanding of her. The time to bring her in line was long past, and it infuriates me they rolled the dice on Caylee's welfare by trying to turn their lemon of a daughter into lemonade overnight, with Caylee in tow.

If that's what happened -- and I suspect something similar did.

I believe this too. In essence they were practicing *tough love* on a 2 year old! Morons.

[Sun]

The media has been quiet this week in regards to the upcoming court hearing. I do hope that they will stream it live.

[need2no]

I think your thought is highly plausible, n2k. I think the main reason G&C didn't go after Casey with guns blazing was because some of what precipitated her departure from their home had to do with them insisting she grow up, stand on her own two feet, and be a proper parent to Caylee. They could hardly then turn around and track her down like a dog as soon as she left the house -- they had to give her *space* to finally grow up.

All that seems fairly normal to me -- if we were discussing a normal family. What really ticks me off is I think both G&C knew Casey was such a mess (due in large part to their own lack of parenting skills) it wasn't likely she was capable of doing -- or cared to do -- what they were at long last demanding of her. The time to bring her in line was long past, and it infuriates me they rolled the dice on Caylee's welfare by trying to turn their lemon of a daughter into lemonade overnight, with Caylee in tow.
If that's what happened -- and I suspect something similar did.

Bolding is mine.

Exactly, I like the way you stated it...rolled the dice. Out of anger they allowed their precious granddaughter to be thrown into the mix to try and force casey to grow up and accept responsibility. How could they not realize, care, or fear the danger they were putting Caylee in? And why in the h*ll would they suddenly believe they could demand casey grow up after covering for her, supporting and coddling her for so many years. casey couldn't even deal with being responsible when she didn't have rent, utilities, groceries, car or insurance to pay, (not to mention being unemployed), and had 2 adults helping to raise her daughter. Yet they think some miracle would suddenly occur after they battled verbally (and possibly physically) and casey stormed out, or was kicked out of the house along with her scared and confused 2 year old daughter.

As soon as Cindy calmed down didn't she realize what a critical mistake she made that night by allowing Caylee to be in harm's way.

[cassidy]

Whipped down. George is whipped down.

Very much so. But still an adult and responsible for his own actions and his own lies.

[Explorer]

Very much so. But still an adult and responsible for his own actions and his own lies.

What got me was when George was talking to detectives and he said something like "my wife didnt want me to" or something. WHAT? Be a man. Stand up and be counted we're talking about your GRANDAUGHTER here. YOUR PRECIOUS GRANDAUGHTER!

[need2no]

Yes, I thought about that too...someone may have told her at one time she looked like her...NOT!!! Casey you are not a 10 and either is your mom...even though she thinks she is too.

Ah....you know they're purdy:

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/CAYLEE%20ANTHONY%20CASE/anthony-caseybadskin-1.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/CAYLEE%20ANTHONY%20CASE/anthony-Cindycloseupbadskinchinh-3.jpg

:laugh:

[summer]

What got me was when George was talking to detectives and he said something like "my wife didnt want me to" or something. WHAT? Be a man. Stand up and be counted we're talking about your GRANDAUGHTER here. YOUR PRECIOUS GRANDAUGHTER!

These people take no responsibility for their actions. It's the "not MY fault" family. Every single one of them is a victim. Except Caylee of course. Caylee who?

[Explorer]

Ah....you know they're purdy:

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/CAYLEE%20ANTHONY%20CASE/anthony-caseybadskin-1.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/CAYLEE%20ANTHONY%20CASE/anthony-Cindycloseupbadskinchinh-3.jpg

:laugh:

Thanks alot now ill have to take a BromoSeltzer:biggrin:

[Tia]

ITA that they are all hiding something. Cindy and George in the courtroom looking at Casey as though they were scared to death. Not for Casey, but for themselves.
I still think at some point they have all helped in the coverup.

:thumbup:

I will not be surprised if the entire bunch winds up behind bars when this is all over.

[imc_e]

Seems like an appropriate time to rebroadcast Cindys special voicemail that she left for Tim Miller.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll7W9QRGo9Y&feature=related

[need2no]

Thanks alot now ill have to take a BromoSeltzer:biggrin:

~~~~:laugh:~~~~~~

I need one too after looking at the lovely covergirls.

[Tia]

Ah....you know they're purdy:

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/CAYLEE%20ANTHONY%20CASE/anthony-caseybadskin-1.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/CAYLEE%20ANTHONY%20CASE/anthony-Cindycloseupbadskinchinh-3.jpg

:laugh:

Next time, add a disclaimer!:tongueside:

[ladeebug565]

Yep I'd like to know what it was that happened before.

Can the prosecutors ask this question of Lee? "What did you mean when you asked your sister during your jailhouse visit if this was like what happened before?"

[Sun]

Seems like an appropriate time to rebroadcast Cindys special voicemail that she left for Tim Miller.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll7W9QRGo9Y&feature=related

Thanks for posting this link. I'm re-listening to it now.

[MrsHudson]

Did any of you see NG tonight? They were talking about the Hayleigh case and how Crystal in one interview referred to Hayleigh as "that little girl". Dr. Lillian Glass jumped on the fact that speaking of her as "that little girl" speaks of deep emotional detachment.

It certainly plays into the Anthony case as well, doesn't it.

This makes sense. Do you refer to your husband, brother, sister or even boss as a "that?" "I miss that husband, I am looking for that brother, I like that boss. Or is it, I miss my husband, I am looking for my brother, I like my boss. That, is impersonal my is very personal. My grandma, my daddy, my dog.

[sydney]

Cindy was relaxing and enjoying her days without the little one running around the house and Cindy having to take care of her, bathe her, feed her and watch her.

(respectfully snipped - bold is mine)

hi everyone! just a quickie.

i know caring for a two year old can be very demanding. seriously, how much time did the a's have to spend caring for caylee while kc was *working*? cindy and george were working, so it seems to me like the majority of time they spent caring for caylee would be in the evenings and on weekends. figure caylee would go to bed early as well, so what - 2 or 3 hours after cindy got home? how much time then did they really have to spend caring for caylee? cindy makes it sound like it was 24/7 to me. not only that, but because cindy is such a control freak, i can see her doing for caylee instead of kc because cindy would do it so much *better* than kc.

what a shame that caring for your grandchild can get so demanding that you would rather they just disappear so you can *relax*.

every grandparent can use a little time *off* from watching their young grandchildren. that time *off* for me usually comes when they take a nap and that's enough time. but THIRTY ONE FREAKING DAYS *OFF*? apparently, cindy's own *time off* meant more to her than little caylee.

[Imperfect4]

Bolding is mine.

Exactly, I like the way you stated it...rolled the dice. Out of anger they allowed their precious granddaughter to be thrown into the mix to try and force casey to grow up and accept responsibility. How could they not realize, care, or fear the danger they were putting Caylee in? And why in the h*ll would they suddenly believe they could demand casey grow up after covering for her, supporting and coddling her for so many years. casey couldn't even deal with being responsible when she didn't have rent, utilities, groceries, car or insurance to pay, (not to mention being unemployed), and had 2 adults helping to raise her daughter. Yet they think some miracle would suddenly occur after they battled verbally (and possibly physically) and casey stormed out, or was kicked out of the house along with her scared and confused 2 year old daughter.

As soon as Cindy calmed down didn't she realize what a critical mistake she made that night by allowing Caylee to be in harm's way.

I keep coming back to the personality disorders they all appear to suffer from -- first and foremost, narcissism. It seems as though none of the grown Anthonys could see past their own noses to imagine how anyone else might feel, or what sort of danger Caylee might be in. They just want what they want when they want it, like a bunch of children, or even animals. They appear to have zero capacity to put themselves in the shoes of another. A more disgusting example of ME-ME-ME I doubt we could find. It's sickening.

[summer]

I can just picture it now... "Get out - and take your little dog tooo!"

Thought bubble: "That'll teach her wink/wink. Guess I got her good this time."

Oh, wait...

[Imperfect4]

These people take no responsibility for their actions. It's the "not MY fault" family. Every single one of them is a victim. Except Caylee of course. Caylee who?

Exactly! For over a year we've had to hear about the victimization of the the still-living Anthonys. No mention of how Caylee, the murdered 2 year-old, was victimized. No ... she's an *angel* now, working hard on behalf of other little children (per Cindy). They've tried to twist reality into a pretzel by framing Caylee's murder as *serving a purpose* and framing themselves as the ultimate victims who were just sitting around being perfection one day, when all hell broke loose in their lives, brought on by outside forces. Ugh. Sickening.

[crimeq]

I suspect Casey envisions herself as a Juliette Lewis look-a-like...

http://www.ecusack.com/juliette_lewis_02_movieline_mar99.jpg

I bet you're right ...

[need2no]

I keep coming back to the personality disorders they all appear to suffer from -- first and foremost, narcissism. It seems as though none of the grown Anthonys could see past their own noses to imagine how anyone else might feel, or what sort of danger Caylee might be in. They just want what they want when they want it, like a bunch of children, or even animals. They appear to have zero capacity to put themselves in the shoes of another. A more disgusting example of ME-ME-ME I doubt we could find. It's sickening.


I so agree Imp! If we look back, ALL of their actions and words have been self serving in one way or the other. Sickening indeed!

[crimeq]

As you can see by this photo the imaginary nanny is the only 10












Picture of nanny

LOL! These look EXACTLY like all the pics of Zanny that Casey posted on her Facebook/Myspace account, as well as all the pics of Zanny at Caylee's parties, sitting beside her in the back seat of Casey's car, etc.! That Casey loved taking pics of Zanny the 10!

Thanks for posting these pics of Zanny.

[cassidy]

(respectfully snipped - bold is mine)

hi everyone! just a quickie.

i know caring for a two year old can be very demanding. seriously, how much time did the a's have to spend caring for caylee while kc was *working*? cindy and george were working, so it seems to me like the majority of time they spent caring for caylee would be in the evenings and on weekends. figure caylee would go to bed early as well, so what - 2 or 3 hours after cindy got home? how much time then did they really have to spend caring for caylee? cindy makes it sound like it was 24/7 to me. not only that, but because cindy is such a control freak, i can see her doing for caylee instead of kc because cindy would do it so much *better* than kc.

what a shame that caring for your grandchild can get so demanding that you would rather they just disappear so you can *relax*.

every grandparent can use a little time *off* from watching their young grandchildren. that time *off* for me usually comes when they take a nap and that's enough time. but THIRTY ONE FREAKING DAYS *OFF*? apparently, cindy's own *time off* meant more to her than little caylee.

I couldn't agree with you more. My granddaughter (now 3) and her Dad live here with us and have for over 2 years. He works and I am laid off, so she is mine for a large part of the week. She does go to her Mommy's occassionally, but not on a regular basis, just when her Mommy wants her (trust me, it's better that way!).
The time she is away is more of a worry than the time she is here. And 31 days without seeing or talking to her would NEVER happen. I will never ever understand George and Cindy in that respect.

JMO

[AnniePie]

I've even thought of the possibility that C,G,&L don't even fully know what each others involvement is.

It must really stink to be them.

I agree JHP... it must really stink to be them. But they don't need to "be them"! They could just step back and recant all the lies and start over again, but they won't. They have too much pride invested in leaving things just the way they are.

[need2no]

LOL! These look EXACTLY like all the pics of Zanny that Casey posted on her Facebook/Myspace account, as well as all the pics of Zanny at Caylee's parties, sitting beside her in the back seat of Casey's car, etc.! That Casey loved taking pics of Zanny the 10!

Thanks for posting these pics of Zanny.


I like this pic:

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/CAYLEE%20ANTHONY%20CASE/z.jpg

:biggrin:

[AnniePie]

Whipped down. George is whipped down.

I agree. He is whipped down.

But if he had even one tiny shred of integrity in his soul, he would rise up and do the right thing about this entire case. He's a liar just like his wife and his spawn. :scared:

[Sun]

The defense is going after TL's phone records from June 2008 through Jan 2009. All of them. Just like Baez made the comment in the courtroom that LE considered JG a suspect (which I don't believe), I think that the defense is also going to say these same things about TL.

Is TL still even in Florida?

[AnniePie]

:thumbup:

I will not be surprised if the entire bunch winds up behind bars when this is all over.

From your fingertips to God's ears, Tia. :smile:

[need2no]

I agree. He is whipped down.

But if he had even one tiny shred of integrity in his soul, he would rise up and do the right thing about this entire case. He's a liar just like his wife and his spawn. :scared:



Ah Annie...give George another 20 or so years and maybe he will find some integrity in his soul to justify that blasted smirk of an all knowing grin he often has plastered on his face.

[AnniePie]

This makes sense. Do you refer to your husband, brother, sister or even boss as a "that?" "I miss that husband, I am looking for that brother, I like that boss. Or is it, I miss my husband, I am looking for my brother, I like my boss. That, is impersonal my is very personal. My grandma, my daddy, my dog.

I know that in the past I've said to my husband, "I just don't know what to do with that kid!" when I've been desperately trying to detach from one of my teenagers. But those times were few and far between.

It's just not a normal thing to say about a beloved family member. Of course, that's a foolish remark because not one of these people is by the slightest chance "normal".

[cassidy]

Ah Annie...give George another 20 or so years and maybe he will find some integrity in his soul to justify that blasted smirk of an all knowing grin he often has plastered on his face.

Doubt it. He's worked hard to get that one down pat. :biggrinjester:

[AnniePie]

Ah Annie...give George another 20 or so years and maybe he will find some integrity in his soul to justify that blasted smirk of an all knowing grin he often has plastered on his face.

I think this family has a patent on their smirkdom. They *all* seem to have smirks down pat.

And then it's carried over to Jose.

There should be a warning on Koolaid packages. :laugh: