2009 Summer Storms [11/12 - IDA slams coast]

[warhorse46]

Tropical storm Ana. There is another storm system behind it that is much much larger & more likely to develop into a major hurricane.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/

[Lavinia]

Ugh. I think we've had our fair share of hurricanes in our lifetimes. NO MAS! I was just thinking this last week about all the supplies I guess I need to get laid in. Hubby builds on the Bolivar Peninsula every day where it still looks like an atom bomb hit. Might as well have.

[warhorse46]

Ugh. I think we've had our fair share of hurricanes in our lifetimes. NO MAS! I was just thinking this last week about all the supplies I guess I need to get laid in. Hubby builds on the Bolivar Peninsula every day where it still looks like an atom bomb hit. Might as well have.

I was thinkg about the very same thing! Water, batteries, dog food, people food, gas. I so hope the Gulf Coast is spared this season, we have been hit 3 years in a row.

[CelticDawn]

three systems now.

the next one would be named claudette.

and lets hope that we get enough strong fronts come far enough down to keep anything from developing in the gulf.

[warhorse46]

three systems now.

the next one would be named claudette.

and lets hope that we get enough strong fronts come far enough down to keep anything from developing in the gulf.


The second one got named? What did they name it?

[CelticDawn]

The second one got named? What did they name it?

They haven't named either the second or the third, but check this out.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/TCFP/data/current/gexyrfpr.png

Anna is the symbol, and Bill and claudette are following behind, but bill is slightly south, which gives it a better chance of developing into something.

[bearwds]

Living on the Left Coast, I miss all the excitement.

Just waiting for the magnitude 8 earthquake that could strike in the next 5 minutes or the next 50 years. I sit right on the San Andreas fault...the same one which will break off and create waterfront property in Reno.

Batten down those hatches and hope it's an anemic hurricane season.


bear

[CelticDawn]

http://www.nola.com/hurricane/index.ssf/2009/08/tropical_storm_bill_the_second.html

Tropical Storm Bill forms in eastern Atlantic

Satellite images indicate that Tropical Depression 3 has strengthen into Tropical Storm Bill, with maximum sustained winds of 40 mph, making it the second named storm of the season, according to the National Hurricane Center.

At 3 p.m., Bill was was 820 west-southwest of the Cape Verde Islands, moving west at 16 mph and due to turn to the west-northwest in the coming days. Wind gusts of 65 mph were reported.

Forecasters reported this afternoon that Tropical Depression 3 was following just a few hundred miles to the east of Tropical Storm Ana and already was promising to become a strong Category 2 hurricane in five days, with at least one model predicting it will reach Category 4 strength.

[magythekat]

Living on the Left Coast, I miss all the excitement.

Just waiting for the magnitude 8 earthquake that could strike in the next 5 minutes or the next 50 years. I sit right on the San Andreas fault...the same one which will break off and create waterfront property in Reno.

Batten down those hatches and hope it's an anemic hurricane season.


bear

I know what you mean Bear...I'm In "Gawga"...but all of my family live on the "left coast", and I watch the History Channel a lot and am scared to death of the earthquake threat you guys have hanging over your head. History features those stories an awful lot and it is sooo scaaaary to me. I pray it doesn't happen in our lifetime.:sad:

[CelticDawn]

The second one got named? What did they name it?



BILL is now a TS....It could form into something big....Ana is forecast to come northwest and through the Florida straits into the Gulf....However, she is not expected to become a very strong storm due to the dry air that she is taking on.....Bill, being behind another, will be partially fueled by the moisture from Ana...along with other factors.....


Claudette has yet to be named....and with luck, will NOT be.

[ExArkie]

Buy 3 big jars of Peanut Butter and three jars of jelly/jam. Buy lots of crackers; not bread - bread spoils. Of course, with the above you need A LOT of water! You don't have to be rich to get ready for a big storm.:biggrin: You may not like your dinner; but, you WILL NOT starve!:biggrin:

[CelticDawn]

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo_atl.shtml

those cones of insanity are back Laninia...

they are
conse of uncertainty
cones of prediction
cones of error...

etc


so I just refer to them as cones of insanity!!!

[CelticDawn]

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo/two_atl.gif

[CelticDawn]

Ana Projected Path

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/storm_graphics/AT02/refresh/AL0209W5_NL+gif/203313W5_NL_sm.gif

May get into the gulf but probably won't be a major hurricane.

[warhorse46]

Ana Projected Path

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/storm_graphics/AT02/refresh/AL0209W5_NL+gif/203313W5_NL_sm.gif

May get into the gulf but probably won't be a major hurricane.


Looks like she is drawing a bead on Louisiana.

[warhorse46]

Bill looks like he might go up the east coast.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at3+shtml/024741.shtml?5-daynl#contents

[drip~drop1]

The second one got named? What did they name it?

I think the 2nd is named Bill, war.

[drip~drop1]

http://www.nola.com/hurricane/index.ssf/2009/08/tropical_storm_bill_the_second.html

Tropical Storm Bill forms in eastern Atlantic

Satellite images indicate that Tropical Depression 3 has strengthen into Tropical Storm Bill, with maximum sustained winds of 40 mph, making it the second named storm of the season, according to the National Hurricane Center.

At 3 p.m., Bill was was 820 west-southwest of the Cape Verde Islands, moving west at 16 mph and due to turn to the west-northwest in the coming days. Wind gusts of 65 mph were reported.

Forecasters reported this afternoon that Tropical Depression 3 was following just a few hundred miles to the east of Tropical Storm Ana and already was promising to become a strong Category 2 hurricane in five days, with at least one model predicting it will reach Category 4 strength.

Wow, so there are 3 right on top of one another? back to back to back? yikes.
I sure as heck hope you never get hit again. :(

[CelticDawn]

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/

Good Morning.
I can't sleep so Im watching the weather.

Now there is a Low in the Eastern Gulf.
Ana is headed our way (forecast).
Bill is strengthening and Claudette has yet to be named.

[msgatorslayer]

Many of the storm seasons that have been late to start have produced some of the worst hurricanes.

This is the peek of the season. Between August and September. And they're lining up!!!!

I like this low, yet to be named blob, sitting off the coast right now. Overcast skies and an occasional breeze to keep the humidity down.

A friend of mines Mom recently told me about 'Shelf Milk" which I want to get for my cane supplies. We bought a new jumbo propane grill this summer which will come in handy for cooking, if we are without power.

[msgatorslayer]

A TS warning has been issued for Alabama/Florida.

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/aug/16/tropical-depression-forms-tampa-coast/news-breaking/

[Lavinia]

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/

Good Morning.
I can't sleep so Im watching the weather.

Now there is a Low in the Eastern Gulf.
Ana is headed our way (forecast).
Bill is strengthening and Claudette has yet to be named.

Don't let yourself get too upset, CD. Remember how many, many storms we've had along our coast and all we got was some weather that we often needed, if we got anything. I know it's hard to lose a home. I've lost one to fire and one to flood and had 2 damaged by hurricanes, but if there is something I can't replace, I take it with me. Everything else I can replace. *If* the worst happens, you WILL get through it. I know that now you have a plan if we get a big one that comes our way. Use your plan.

Personally, I don't follow the storms very closely. It's too easy to get scared of every one of them. I wait until a storm is full in the Gulf and then I start watching. Saves me some anxiety.

[bearwds]

Many of the storm seasons that have been late to start have produced some of the worst hurricanes.

This is the peek of the season. Between August and September. And they're lining up!!!!

I like this low, yet to be named blob, sitting off the coast right now. Overcast skies and an occasional breeze to keep the humidity down.

A friend of mines Mom recently told me about 'Shelf Milk" which I want to get for my cane supplies. We bought a new jumbo propane grill this summer which will come in handy for cooking, if we are without power.

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"Shelf Milk"......are you talking about canned milk..??

Goes without saying (I hope) that you keep your non-vented propane BBQ outside...!!


bear

[warhorse46]

Many of the storm seasons that have been late to start have produced some of the worst hurricanes.

This is the peek of the season. Between August and September. And they're lining up!!!!

I like this low, yet to be named blob, sitting off the coast right now. Overcast skies and an occasional breeze to keep the humidity down.

A friend of mines Mom recently told me about 'Shelf Milk" which I want to get for my cane supplies. We bought a new jumbo propane grill this summer which will come in handy for cooking, if we are without power.


I have drank that shelf milk & can not tell any difference between it & regular milk. Of course once it is opened it needs to be kept cold but before opening it is stored in your cabinets with the canned goods.

[warhorse46]

The latest on Ana, Bill & potential Claudette.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/

[warhorse46]

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"Shelf Milk"......are you talking about canned milk..??

Goes without saying (I hope) that you keep your non-vented propane BBQ outside...!!


bear




No it is not canned nor dried milk. It is regular milk. See here.

http://www.bordenshelfstablemilk.com/borden/borden_PL_2w32.htm

http://www.bordenshelfstablemilk.com/borden/borden_PL_2w.htm

[bearwds]

No it is not canned nor dried milk. It is regular milk. See here.

http://www.bordenshelfstablemilk.com/borden/borden_PL_2w32.htm

http://www.bordenshelfstablemilk.com/borden/borden_PL_2w.htm

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Duh...to me. Never heard of it and thus never tasted it.

Thanx for Links...learned something today.


bear

[openminded]

The 40th anniversary of Hurricane Camille is tomorrow. I lived through that one and will never forget one terrifying moment of it.

I no longer live near a coast but this is always the time of year I start worrying about those who do.

[warhorse46]

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Duh...to me. Never heard of it and thus never tasted it.

Thanx for Links...learned something today.


bear



The first time I ever heard of it was last year when we ordered from Angel Ministries for someone who was having a tough time financially. She is allergic to milk so gave it to us. It is just perfect for those of us in hurricane country to have on hand during hurricane season.

[Scampi]

Morning everyone. Isabel was the very unladylike hurricane that pushed the storm surge up the Chesapeake Bay, that
flooded us out.

I am joining all of you on the hurrcane lookout.

Here is another great link for watching the latest developments.


http://www.stormpulse.com/

[CelticDawn]

The latest on Ana, Bill & potential Claudette.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/

Did you notice how potential claudette went from being the one behind Bill to the one ahead of Ana?????


I guess they are into musical chairs too.:cursing:

I am so sick of these things....we could use a hundred year break!!!

[CelticDawn]

Don't let yourself get too upset, CD. Remember how many, many storms we've had along our coast and all we got was some weather that we often needed, if we got anything. I know it's hard to lose a home. I've lost one to fire and one to flood and had 2 damaged by hurricanes, but if there is something I can't replace, I take it with me. Everything else I can replace. *If* the worst happens, you WILL get through it. I know that now you have a plan if we get a big one that comes our way. Use your plan.

Personally, I don't follow the storms very closely. It's too easy to get scared of every one of them. I wait until a storm is full in the Gulf and then I start watching. Saves me some anxiety.


i couldnt sleep last night (for numerous reasons)....I WISH I could sleep for about 18 hours....uninterrupted!!!
....so I went to wal-Mart and bought batteries watera whole bunch of Purell and a whole bunch of wipes.... non perishables (including my giant jar of Kosher dills :laugh:) and dropped off my emergency backup prescriptions......I even got my generators an appointment to ber checked and filled for tomorrow.....The kids wont be back until Labor day but I went ahead and packed everybodys emergency bags....They have plenty of clothes so these can just stay packed until this season is over.....all that'll be good even if we dont get any storms....



...and YEAH ...I know I get too paranoid....but better safe than sorry...

[warhorse46]

Did you notice how potential claudette went from being the one behind Bill to the one ahead of Ana?????


I guess they are into musical chairs too.:cursing:

I am so sick of these things....we could use a hundred year break!!!



I'm glad you saw that too, I thought I was either seeing things or was confused.

[Scampi]

Did you notice how potential claudette went from being the one behind Bill to the one ahead of Ana?????


I guess they are into musical chairs too.:cursing:

I am so sick of these things....we could use a hundred year break!!!

Just goes to show how pushy that huzzie Claudette is...............lol. Hang in there doll, soon it will be November and all this will be a distant memory. :wub:

[warhorse46]

Just goes to show how pushy that huzzie Claudette is...............lol. Hang in there doll, soon it will be November and all this will be a distant memory. :wub:


Won't be a distant memory in November if any of us are hit by a hurricane, it will be a living nighmare of trying to put a destroyed life back together, fighting insurance companies & FEMA, trying to get a blue roof installed to reduce futher damage, etc.

[CelticDawn]

Won't be a distant memory in November if any of us are hit by a hurricane, it will be a living nighmare of trying to put a destroyed life back together, fighting insurance companies & FEMA, trying to get a blue roof installed to reduce futher damage, etc.

THIS time, I will make SURE to have a permanent marker so on my way out I can mark the TOP of my coffee tables on the wall...:cursing::cursing: and label that ABOVE that is hoimeowners and below that is FLOOD insurance...and THANK GOD I am now a bit above sea level.

[openminded]

Won't be a distant memory in November if any of us are hit by a hurricane, it will be a living nighmare of trying to put a destroyed life back together, fighting insurance companies & FEMA, trying to get a blue roof installed to reduce futher damage, etc.

And the fallout from one can last for many, many years, unfortunately.

[Scampi]

Won't be a distant memory in November if any of us are hit by a hurricane, it will be a living nighmare of trying to put a destroyed life back together, fighting insurance companies & FEMA, trying to get a blue roof installed to reduce futher damage, etc.

....well, that's looking at the glass being half empty. As I said, Isabel hit us, but I still have hope to never go thru anything like that again in my lifetime. Glass half full for me.

BTW, thank goodness for FEMA, we had to go to them for help and because of their assistance we got back on our feet quickly and so did our inlaws..

[CelticDawn]

Just goes to show how pushy that huzzie Claudette is...............lol. Hang in there doll, soon it will be November and all this will be a distant memory. :wub:



we are still recovering from the season 4 years ago down here....but then LA is sort of third world in a lot of ways....yall have infastructure.


HOWEVER.....Since you are right 99% of the time...I will just go with that!!! :wub:

[Scampi]

we are still recovering from the season 4 years ago down here....but then LA is sort of third world in a lot of ways....yall have infastructure.


HOWEVER.....Since you are right 99% of the time...I will just go with that!!! :wub:

I am not making light of your concern Cel, but you have moved to higher ground and that is the best thing you could have done.

When we got flooded out, the old timer's around here said it was a 100 year flood, none of them could remember such an event. So, I take comfort in the fact that so many things would have to allign just right, for that to happen again. Same with you down there.

Think positive and keep a sharp eye out. :wub:

[CelticDawn]

I am not making light of your concern Cel, but you have moved to higher ground and that is the best thing you could have done.

When we got flooded out, the old timer's around here said it was a 100 year flood, none of them could remember such an event. So, I take comfort in the fact that so many things would have to allign just right, for that to happen again. Same with you down there.

Think positive and keep a sharp eye out. :wub:


teh Southshore dodged the storm but had three major levee breaks on three major canals....That is what really did it for New Orleans and the Eastbank of Jefferson....Barring anything like that happening again.....and they're working at breakneck speed on the major levees......I think those who stayed on the Southshore will be OK....

I have lots of dear friends who stayed downdip....and we have a few interests down there still..

[warhorse46]

And the fallout from one can last for many, many years, unfortunately.

So very true. This area had not fully recovered from Rita when Ike hit last year.

[warhorse46]

....well, that's looking at the glass being half empty. As I said, Isabel hit us, but I still have hope to never go thru anything like that again in my lifetime. Glass half full for me.

BTW, thank goodness for FEMA, we had to go to them for help and because of their assistance we got back on our feet quickly and so did our inlaws..




Depends on whether you are drinking from the glass or filling it if it is half full or half empty. We all hope never to be hit by a hurricane but reality says it will happen eventually if you live on the coast. FEMA used to be very good. During Rita they came through for us but it was a totally different story with Ike. With Rita there were many many stations through out the area to get food, water, ice, cleaning supplies, tarps, personal hygiene items. During Ike there was exactly one in a city of 125,000. And the denials for help with home repair were astronomical. The wait for a blue roof was about 6 weeks.

[warhorse46]

The latest on the 3 storms. Looks like Ana is blowing herself out & that is a good thing.


http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/

[msgatorslayer]

I have drank that shelf milk & can not tell any difference between it & regular milk. Of course once it is opened it needs to be kept cold but before opening it is stored in your cabinets with the canned goods.

That's what my friends Mom said, War. Tastes good.

And mighty handy to have them stored with other cane supplies until they're actually needed. Less space taken up in a cooler than a gallon of milk. Open one as needed, when w/o power.

[Lavinia]

....well, that's looking at the glass being half empty. As I said, Isabel hit us, but I still have hope to never go thru anything like that again in my lifetime. Glass half full for me.

BTW, thank goodness for FEMA, we had to go to them for help and because of their assistance we got back on our feet quickly and so did our inlaws..

Flip FEMA, Scamp. We've had one pretty okay experience with them years ago, Rita help was so-so, but IKE survivors are still fighting for the most basic help from FEMA. Anymore, you better find a way to be self sufficient and it you get help from FEMA, consider it gravy. FEMA :thumbdown:.

[Scampi]

Depends on whether you are drinking from the glass or filling it if it is half full or half empty. We all hope never to be hit by a hurricane but reality says it will happen eventually if you live on the coast. FEMA used to be very good. During Rita they came through for us but it was a totally different story with Ike. With Rita there were many many stations through out the area to get food, water, ice, cleaning supplies, tarps, personal hygiene items. During Ike there was exactly one in a city of 125,000. And the denials for help with home repair were astronomical. The wait for a blue roof was about 6 weeks.

Well, all I can speak about is my personal experience. We did not have flood insurance, mistakenly didn't think we needed it even living on the water, because no one could ever remember our area flooding out. FEMA was a godsend.

Isabel taught us differently. Since then, we have retained a flood insurance policy and have done what we could to flood proof our home. Even so, we now know what to watch for in the event another hurricane hugs the coast and surges the water up the bay and will evacuate much sooner.

HIYA Lavie!!!

[Lavinia]

Well, all I can speak about is my personal experience. We did not have flood insurance, mistakenly didn't think we needed it even living on the water, because no one could ever remember our area flooding out. FEMA was a godsend.

Isabel taught us differently. Since then, we have retained a flood insurance policy and have done what we could to flood proof our home. Even so, we now know what to watch for in the event another hurricane hugs the coast and surges the water up the bay and will evacuate much sooner.

HIYA Lavie!!!

Heya Scampers! :seeya:

I will NEVER NOT have flood insurance on a home even if I live in the middle of a desert. When we closed on one of our homes, I asked if we shouldn't have flood insurance and everyone was all, "Oh, no! You don't live anywhere near a flood plain!" Well. I was in nursing school, Emily was about 18 months old and I just got diagnosed with Crohn's disease and was sick as a *dog*. Sick, sick, sick. I had gone to the Dr. that day and got a shot of Demerol. It had been raining but it didn't seem like a big deal. I got up in the middle of the night to go potty, and water was up to my ankles in my bedroom.

The next day, they had road maintenance trucks come evacuate us (hubby and son stayed at a 2 story next door to watch the house.). I was SOOOO sick, and we were allowed one garbage bag of personal belongings. I remember holding Emily under one arm and my garbage bag under the other and climbing the ladder to the back of that dump truck with my weak, hairy legs, lol.

The house was only about 2 years old, but we had to rebuild everything but the slab and roof~out of pocket~except for a $15 K SBA *loan*. Supposedly, it was a 500 year flood.

Normally flood insurance is pretty reasonable since it's a government project and I highly recommend it. My husband was telling me just yesterday though, that where he is building now, it's $15K PER YEAR for flood insurance ONLY! No windstorm, no fire or other insurance. :scared:

Then there was Rita and Ike. :crying:

(The house we lost by fire, was a beach house. The first house hubby and I moved into. It had a propane tank and while we were at work, a line in the wall where our heads would have been if we were sleeping exploded and the house burned to the ground. The only think we saved, was some dirty laundry in the car to I needed to take to the washateria.)

So, I'm sick to death of losing houses, but what I can't lose, is family. As long as we're safe, we'll just keep rebuilding if we havta'.

[warhorse46]

That's what my friends Mom said, War. Tastes good.

And mighty handy to have them stored with other cane supplies until they're actually needed. Less space taken up in a cooler than a gallon of milk. Open one as needed, when w/o power.


They even have flavored milks, strawberry, chocolate, banana in small 8 oz bottles that are shelf stable. I agree takes much less room than a gallon of milk, especially handy if you are using an ice chest for cooling.

[warhorse46]

Flip FEMA, Scamp. We've had one pretty okay experience with them years ago, Rita help was so-so, but IKE survivors are still fighting for the most basic help from FEMA. Anymore, you better find a way to be self sufficient and it you get help from FEMA, consider it gravy. FEMA :thumbdown:.


Prime example---hurricane Ike took 3/4 of the roof off my DS & dil's house. Took it completely off, could stand in 3 different room, look up & see the sky. Those 3 rooms were completely destroyed, furniture, drywall, floors were all lost. FEMA paid $925, said that was enough to repair it all.

[warhorse46]

Well, all I can speak about is my personal experience. We did not have flood insurance, mistakenly didn't think we needed it even living on the water, because no one could ever remember our area flooding out. FEMA was a godsend.

Isabel taught us differently. Since then, we have retained a flood insurance policy and have done what we could to flood proof our home. Even so, we now know what to watch for in the event another hurricane hugs the coast and surges the water up the bay and will evacuate much sooner.

HIYA Lavie!!!


All excellent preparations.

[warhorse46]

The latest on Ana & Bill. I sure hope Ana disapates because she is the one the models show getting into the Gulf. Bill looks like he may stay in the Atlantic. Hopefully he will stay away from the eastern seabord.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/

[warhorse46]

Isn't FEMA supposed to help with the gap between your homeowners ins though? It isn't supposed to pay for all of the damages. You should have insurance first and foremost.



I agree that everyone should have insurance but in my area no companies will insure a home valued @ less than $35,000 & their home falls in that category. They have tried for years to get insurance. Also it is not a given that FEMA will fill in the gap, all you can do is apply & wait for a review which takes months. Then more likely than not you will be denied. So far every single person I know who has applied to FEMA for assistance who had insurance has been denied.
http://www.fema.gov/assistance/process/dhelp_insurance.shtm

[warhorse46]

So they own their own home outright? Because if you have a mtg on your home the mtg company requires you to have ins on your home. There is only so much that a gov't agency can do especially in these times and especially when faced with back to back disasters in the same area. Also the gulf coast is not the only area that faces disasters that FEMA has to deal with.


Yes they own their home, there is no mtg on it. The mtg companies can require all they desire but if no insurance company will write a policy there is no recourse.
Only so much a gov agency can do? I am recalling all of the recent bailouts amounting to multiples of billions of dollars the gov has doled out to big businesses, yet they cannot adequately assist with basic human needs such as food, water, shelter, medical post disasters. That is illogical to me.
As it turns out the FEMA underpayment for house repairs was a good thing in the long run. DS & dil applied to HUD for assistance after they used the FEMA money to do a second rate patch job on the roof. HUD sent inspectors out to assess the house & determined it was not fit for habitation & could not be repaired to become fit for habitation so they are in the process of demolishing the house to the ground & building a brand new one in its place. Had FEMA paid for adequate repairs the gov would not be paying for the demolition & building of a new house. Our political system @ work.

[openminded]

The latest on Ana & Bill. I sure hope Ana disapates because she is the one the models show getting into the Gulf. Bill looks like he may stay in the Atlantic. Hopefully he will stay away from the eastern seabord.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/

Our weather report last night said a high was expected to bump Bill away from the eastern seaboard. Hope they are right. The very best hurricanes are the ones that never develop but those that stay far from land are second best. When I was growing up I always got antsy whenever a hurricane got into the Gulf. I knew it might not hit us but obviously it was going to hit some other unfortunate people and I always worried about them too.

[Lavinia]

Isn't FEMA supposed to help with the gap between your homeowners ins though? It isn't supposed to pay for all of the damages. You should have insurance first and foremost.

IIRC, one of the downfalls of that logic is that homeowners insurance is *notorious* for paying very little toward your damage during a hurricane/flood. The gap between what they pay and the actual cost of damage repair can be in the (many) multiple of thousands. I rarely have 50-100K hanging around to fill in the gap. Of course you have the option of suing your primary insurance company and it's happening in DROVES here, but that doesn't help much when it takes many years to settle, then appeal, appeal, appeal. The flood insurance company wants to assert all your damages came from wind. Your windstorm insurance will assert it's water damage. It's far from as easy than if you have a house catch fire in Dallas TX. or Boise ID, and insurance pays a claim on it.

Also, FEMA money is supposed to help with evacuation money. Even though my husband and I are "comfortable", it's not always easy to relocate on a day's notice. A relocation that will likely cost several thousands just for a few weeks away from home. For many, that's not easy to cough up in VERY short notice.

You have all your food at home spoiled along with the fridge and most if not all other appliances. Your homeowners will VERY UNLIKELY be able to replace the clothes you lost, the furniture, sheets, toothbrushes, shoes, tools, lawnmowers, vehicles, window coverings, etc. etc. etc. Then when you finally get to come home, a very large population will come home to no work. Places of employment are usually so damaged they also have their insurance fights, then construction (which the reputable construction crews are booked for years due to the damage). Many businesses relocate after a storm so you now have no job on top of everything else. It's not as easy as it sounds to rebuild even if you are the most responsible person alive.

Also, a lot of people are renters. Even IF they have rental insurance for their contents, where are they going to live if the dwelling is gone? There are tons of low income people and the elderly, who can only afford basic insurance *if they're lucky*! What of them? Even if we became completely inhumane to the suffering of our fellow man, the presence of gangs of homeless poor and elderly will cost us in many ways, both financial and morally.

I will refrain from getting political on some of the follies I've seen the govt. pour money into, but suffice it to say, I think depts. like a *well working* FEMA is well needed. (A well working, mobilized, FEMA is a whole 'nother rant, lol.)

[warhorse46]

Our weather report last night said a high was expected to bump Bill away from the eastern seaboard. Hope they are right. The very best hurricanes are the ones that never develop but those that stay far from land are second best. When I was growing up I always got antsy whenever a hurricane got into the Gulf. I knew it might not hit us but obviously it was going to hit some other unfortunate people and I always worried about them too.

I so hope your weather report is right about Bill!! I agree with all you say about hurricanes.

[warhorse46]

IIRC, one of the downfalls of that logic is that homeowners insurance is *notorious* for paying very little toward your damage during a hurricane/flood. The gap between what they pay and the actual cost of damage repair can be in the (many) multiple of thousands. I rarely have 50-100K hanging around to fill in the gap. Of course you have the option of suing your primary insurance company and it's happening in DROVES here, but that doesn't help much when it takes many years to settle, then appeal, appeal, appeal. The flood insurance company wants to assert all your damages came from wind. Your windstorm insurance will assert it's water damage. It's far from as easy than if you have a house catch fire in Dallas TX. or Boise ID, and insurance pays a claim on it.

Also, FEMA money is supposed to help with evacuation money. Even though my husband and I are "comfortable", it's not always easy to relocate on a day's notice. A relocation that will likely cost several thousands just for a few weeks away from home. For many, that's not easy to cough up in VERY short notice.

You have all your food at home spoiled along with the fridge and most if not all other appliances. Your homeowners will VERY UNLIKELY be able to replace the clothes you lost, the furniture, sheets, toothbrushes, shoes, tools, lawnmowers, vehicles, window coverings, etc. etc. etc. Then when you finally get to come home, a very large population will come home to no work. Places of employment are usually so damaged they also have their insurance fights, then construction (which the reputable construction crews are booked for years due to the damage). Many businesses relocate after a storm so you now have no job on top of everything else. It's not as easy as it sounds to rebuild even if you are the most responsible person alive.

Also, a lot of people are renters. Even IF they have rental insurance for their contents, where are they going to live if the dwelling is gone? There are tons of low income people and the elderly, who can only afford basic insurance *if they're lucky*! What of them? Even if we became completely inhumane to the suffering of our fellow man, the presence of gangs of homeless poor and elderly will cost us in many ways, both financial and morally.

I will refrain from getting political on some of the follies I've seen the govt. pour money into, but suffice it to say, I think depts. like a *well working* FEMA is well needed. (A well working, mobilized, FEMA is a whole 'nother rant, lol.)


You said it so much better than I. Thank you.

[Lavinia]

You always have the BEST stories. Now I want to know all about folks who want to live where it costs $15,000/yr just for flood insurance! I would imagine that "regular" insurance is sky high in the same area. Any idea how much?
These must be people with more money than sense, aren't they? I mean its fine to be spending big bucks - but the reason its big bucks is that its very, very, very risky - and (to me) therefor dangerous. Hope they don't leave their pets home alone!

Thanks Penny! :wub: This particular place where my husband is building is the place where the flood insurance is 15K and UP. The deal is, these are multi-million dollar beach homes and some of the people pay cash and don't insure them. They're "self-insured". You know, just like how you and I have multi-million dollar disposable homes, :lol:.

Others pay the exorbitant flood insurance and you MUST have homeowner's insurance AND windstorm insurance also. Homeowner's insurance DOES NOT pay for hurricane damage. Wish I had that kind of moolah!

ETA: Penny, the vast majority of these homes are vacation homes. No pets. :wink:

[Lavinia]

You said it so much better than I. Thank you.

You're welcome WH! I also need to add that homeowner's insurance does not pay for hurricane disasters. You must have flood insurance and windstorm coverage. That's a lot of insurance. (Flood insurance is necessary for building in flood plains (and it's surprising what is considered a flood plain, and windstorm is necessary for all coastal counties.)

[warhorse46]

You always have the BEST stories. Now I want to know all about folks who want to live where it costs $15,000/yr just for flood insurance! I would imagine that "regular" insurance is sky high in the same area. Any idea how much?
These must be people with more money than sense, aren't they? I mean its fine to be spending big bucks - but the reason its big bucks is that its very, very, very risky - and (to me) therefor dangerous. Hope they don't leave their pets home alone!



I know a guy like that. Makes more money than he knows what to do with & has no common sense. During Ike he & his family evacuated to one of his multiple co-ops. They took two of their dogs because they could breed those & make money off the puppies but left 3 other dogs @ home. Their house got 9 feet of water in it, they were gone for a week. Thank God it was a 2 story house & the dogs could get to the second floor so they survived. All of the dogs are very small house dogs & could have easily fit in the 2 very large SUVs they used to evacuate.

[warhorse46]

You're welcome WH! I also need to add that homeowner's insurance does not pay for hurricane disasters. You must have flood insurance and windstorm coverage. That's a lot of insurance. (Flood insurance is necessary for building in flood plains (and it's surprising what is considered a flood plain, and windstorm is necessary for all coastal counties.)


Exactly right. Many people are under the wrong impression that home owner's insurance covers everything when in reality it does not. You must have 3 separate insurance policies in this area & then you are likely not to be fully covered. And most times you have to fight to get compensation which takes years. Then after all that your insurance company drops you because you had a claim.

[warhorse46]

Uh Oh! I'll have to look into that windstorm thing here in "hurricane alley"- although I'm sure that my State Farm Ins. folks would have brought it up and wanted to sell it to me if they thought they could. Well- maybe not - they didn't mention earthquake insurance and I bought that both in Atlanta and here. Both places are near fault lines - and I figure we're due.



Many big name insurance companies do not sell Windstorm insurance. And there are many many pitfalls to getting it. Read here.

http://thefacts.com/story.lasso?ewcd=793f75187bd637f9

[BorderCollieMom]

I would like to say "thanks" for all of the info & links !!!!

This animated map is pretty informative.
http://www.intellicast.com/Storm/Hurricane/AtlanticSatellite.aspx?animate=true

[msgatorslayer]

'One dead, another missing in Claudette's strike'

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2009/8/17/509309.html?title=One+dead,+another+missing+in+Cla udette's+strike

When will people learn you don't go out in a boat or for a swim when the weather is bad! :confused:

[Shells2]

One thing that bothers me about peoples reaction to FEMA is one of a sense of entitlement.

The gov't and taxpayers don't cause the hurricanes, so why are they expected ( that is the word that bothers me the most) to pay for new roofs, etc. That's what insurance is for.

If they give you a warm meal, and a couple of blankets, I think that a "Thank you" is in order, not a "That's it!???".

I just hate this sense of I'm-damaged-you-better-come-pay-to-fix-it that so many seem to have. These programs do a lot of good, and help a lot of people ~ criticizing the manner in which a hand out is given seems crazy to me...

JMO of course.

[juliekan]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6575693.html

Land Office sets line defining public beach post Ike

Patterson published new maps at TexasBeachAccess.org (http://www.glo.state.tx.us/OC/Beach_Access/line.html) showing the new vegetation line, which under the Texas Open Beaches Act determines where the public beach begins.

“As promised, I gave the natural line of vegetation a year to recover,” Patterson said. “In those areas where it has recovered it will be the boundary of the public beach.

“In areas where it hasn't, I've drawn the line at mean low tide plus 200 feet,” he said.

[Lavinia]

One thing that bothers me about peoples reaction to FEMA is one of a sense of entitlement.

The gov't and taxpayers don't cause the hurricanes, so why are they expected ( that is the word that bothers me the most) to pay for new roofs, etc. That's what insurance is for.

If they give you a warm meal, and a couple of blankets, I think that a "Thank you" is in order, not a "That's it!???".

I just hate this sense of I'm-damaged-you-better-come-pay-to-fix-it that so many seem to have. These programs do a lot of good, and help a lot of people ~ criticizing the manner in which a hand out is given seems crazy to me...

JMO of course.

I think we are entitled by our government via the taxes we've always paid, to see that every man woman and child lives in the minimum of safe housing with clean water and edible food when a disaster strikes. Again, apart from basic humanity, would you rather pay for the Hep. C, infections, pneumonia and every disease and mental illness you can imagine because they have to live under an underpass and drink water from puddles? Do you think your possessions would be safe from people desperate to feed their children?

Many people don't have health insurance. When they are shot on the street, have a baby born at 24 weeks gestation, or have a heart attack in the grocery, is it "entitlement" to expect an ambulance to take them to the hospital or treat them?

The govt. and taxpayers don't make cancer or polio, or swine flu, or HIV. Do you not think it is in the nations best interest to spend money on studying and treating these "disasters"?

In the 30's with the great drought and the dust bowl covering a large part of the country causing death among many, the government took action.

If we can have a military to protect us from enemies foreign, we can protect from enemies domestic, IMO.

(I DO admit there are abusers or EVERY program, but you can't throw the baby out with the bath water, IMO.)

[Shells2]

I think we are entitled by our government via the taxes we've always paid, to see that every man woman and child lives in the minimum of safe housing with clean water and edible food when a disaster strikes. Again, apart from basic humanity, would you rather pay for the Hep. C, infections, pneumonia and every disease and mental illness you can imagine because they have to live under an underpass and drink water from puddles? Do you think your possessions would be safe from people desperate to feed their children?

Many people don't have health insurance. When they are shot on the street, have a baby born at 24 weeks gestation, or have a heart attack in the grocery, is it "entitlement" to expect an ambulance to take them to the hospital or treat them?

The govt. and taxpayers don't make cancer or polio, or swine flu, or HIV. Do you not think it is in the nations best interest to spend money on studying and treating these "disasters"?

In the 30's with the great drought and the dust bowl covering a large part of the country causing death among many, the government took action.

If we can have a military to protect us from enemies foreign, we can protect from enemies domestic, IMO.

(I DO admit there are abusers or EVERY program, but you can't throw the baby out with the bath water, IMO.)


I just think that, if you choose to live in an area plagued by hurricanes, you need to be prepared to deal with the repercussions of that choice.

It drives me crazy when people ignore the evacuation orders, don't have the necessary supplies/generators etc ready, and then have the tenacity to actually complain that the services aren't brought TO them fast enough.

Honestly when I hear people complaining about not getting FREE services to their liking it makes my blood boil. Be grateful for what you get!

[msgatorslayer]

I just think that, if you choose to live in an area plagued by hurricanes, you need to be prepared to deal with the repercussions of that choice.

It drives me crazy when people ignore the evacuation orders, don't have the necessary supplies/generators etc ready, and then have the tenacity to actually complain that the services aren't brought TO them fast enough.

Honestly when I hear people complaining about not getting FREE services to their liking it makes my blood boil. Be grateful for what you get!

This is what chaps my hide as well, Shells. The people who don't prepare and want the government to help them NOW. The ones who expect water and food to be handed to them the moment the storm passes.

There is a very important reasoning behind telling people in hurricane prone areas to have at least a weeks worth of water, drinks, food, meds, etc. It's to take care of yourself. Just like you do most days, I would hope. Until help can arrive. It does take time to get to everyone.

[Lavinia]

I just think that, if you choose to live in an area plagued by hurricanes, you need to be prepared to deal with the repercussions of that choice.

It drives me crazy when people ignore the evacuation orders, don't have the necessary supplies/generators etc ready, and then have the tenacity to actually complain that the services aren't brought TO them fast enough.

Honestly when I hear people complaining about not getting FREE services to their liking it makes my blood boil. Be grateful for what you get!

So is there any kind of disaster that you think the government should help the poor and disenfranchised with? If people's homes are burned from wildfires, should they just be grateful if the government gives them a sharpened stick just in case they come across a weenie to roast over the fires? :laugh:

[msgatorslayer]

So is there any kind of disaster that you think the government should help the poor and disenfranchised with? If people's homes are burned from wildfires, should they just be grateful if the government gives them a sharpened stick just in case they come across a weenie to roast over the fires? :laugh:

Lavinia, I got the impression that Shells was saying people shouldn't demand help NOW. Not that they shouldn't receive help at all.

Nobody is at ground zero alone. Everyone is in a similar boat. Thousands, hundreds of thousand of peeps lives have just changed.

:lol: about the stick and weenie roast.

[Lavinia]

Lavinia, I got the impression that Shells was saying people shouldn't demand help NOW. Not that they shouldn't receive help at all.

Nobody is at ground zero alone. Everyone is in a similar boat. Thousands, hundreds of thousand of peeps lives have just changed.

:lol: about the stick and weenie roast.

I hope so Msgatorslayer! I didn't get that from the first post, but maybe so. I just don't think many people understand how difficult it is when we have major hurricanes. I didn't mean to argue with anyone about this, I just know a lot of really good folks, who through no fault of their own, DO find themselves in dire straits after a major storm and very quickly. My mother, brother and I have had to share an awful lot of our resources with people who have none until FEMA can get to them maybe 3 weeks later. For one thing, we didn't get the help from FEMA that Katrina folks did, because they were so mobilized in La. and with Ike, the country was trying to save money everywhere and FEMA's hierarchy was in such disarray from their La. fumbles, that FEMA was just not much help at all.

I only wish everyone the best and sometimes we do need help.

Thanks for "talking me down" MsGator! :wub:

[Citygirl]

New state law in Texas..startin Sept. 1st..

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/6548468.html


CORPUS CHRISTI — Police can arrest people who don't leave town under mandatory evacuation orders under a new state law that goes into effect in the heart of Texas' hurricane season.

The law was passed this year and is effective Sept. 1. It also applies to other disasters, such as fires or floods.

As it stands, officials cannot compel people to evacuate, only warn that those who stay behind won't have any emergency services at their disposal.

The Corpus Christi Caller-Times reports the new law gives county judges and mayors the power to authorize use of “reasonable force” to remove people from the area.

(I am surprised some in Texas didn't post this news already..)

[msgatorslayer]

I hope so Msgatorslayer! I didn't get that from the first post, but maybe so. I just don't think many people understand how difficult it is when we have major hurricanes. I didn't mean to argue with anyone about this, I just know a lot of really good folks, who through no fault of their own, DO find themselves in dire straits after a major storm and very quickly. My mother, brother and I have had to share an awful lot of our resources with people who have none until FEMA can get to them maybe 3 weeks later. For one thing, we didn't get the help from FEMA that Katrina folks did, because they were so mobilized in La. and with Ike, the country was trying to save money everywhere and FEMA's hierarchy was in such disarray from their La. fumbles, that FEMA was just not much help at all.

I only wish everyone the best and sometimes we do need help.

Thanks for "talking me down" MsGator! :wub:

Oh, I didn't read the first post, Lavinia, sorry.

But by the 2nd one, she explained better, I think, lol, that it bothers her when people demand things faster and say not enough is being done.

Katrina was a disaster on more than just the level of a major hurricane. Nuff said there, really. The aftermath was a disgrace. IMO

And I completely understand where you're coming from in that other people were forgotten about, outside of NO. Everyone and all the resources were focused on the fish bowl. Honestly, to this day, I can't think of other areas that were affected by Katrina cause I mostly only heard about NO.

Personally, I have never been in a major hurricane. I did see first hand what Punta Gorda looked like after Hurricane Charlie in 2004. It was a real eye opener. But I did not live there.

For people who are living pay-check to pay-check, with little or no savings, once your whole city is blown off the map, you may not have a job any more. Help is needed. ITA with that.

[ExArkie]

We were able to take care of ourselves all our lives - with ONE major exception. Hurricane Agnes in 1972 destroyed everything we owned. We had the shell of our house left - nothing else! The fire department actually brought their hoses into our house and turned them on - just to get the mud out!:huh:

There was flood insurance then; but, not one person in our area of PA had even heard of it - much less had it.

This was what we got from the Small Business Administration - first, they gave us a grant of $3,000 - worth lots more in '72 than today - second (and most important), they refinanced our house at one percent - yes, one percent! We did not realize how important that was.

Of course, in those days, the government did not keep you out affected areas the way they do today - so, we moved back into our house within a week! No electricity or anything else; but, we moved back in - didn't know any better and besides we had no place else to go. We even lost our boat; but, that was insured!:laugh:

My husband worked all the time - night and day - I have no idea how he did it. I was not much help; but, the kids and I tried - oh, our kids were about 11-13 or so. We made it because my husband was able to do just about all his own work. If you can't do your own work, you are just s@@t out of luck, IMHO!:sad:

Then, a couple a years later - guess what!! We lived just across the river from 3-Mile Island - remember that! No damage, except to my nerves!!

[CelticDawn]

You all know....FEMA assistance was bad for victims of hurricane Ike and G ustav because of the MAJOR abuse that took place after Katrina and Rita.....It is so sad, but there was some BLATANT fraud.....for HUGE amounts of money.....Now what STOOD OUT MOST was the FEMA cards showing up in houston strip clubs....and 2 carat diamond purchases.....for example....

MY problem with FEMA was what damage would be covered by which insurance.....we lost a roof....a chimney came down diagonally onto a load bearing wall ....and 15 feet of water....needless to say....flood insurance wanted to only pay for the damage up to the table height....but homeowners said that the flood was higher....but flood insurance said it was RAIN damage.....It was a long fight, but we finally were compensated.

[warhorse46]

'One dead, another missing in Claudette's strike'

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2009/8/17/509309.html?title=One+dead,+another+missing+in+Cla udette's+strike

When will people learn you don't go out in a boat or for a swim when the weather is bad! :confused:

I saw a little snippet about that on the news. I have gone to the cut fishing when a storm was in the Gulf (hundreds of miles out) but would never consider going out in a boat or to swim.

[warhorse46]

This is what chaps my hide as well, Shells. The people who don't prepare and want the government to help them NOW. The ones who expect water and food to be handed to them the moment the storm passes.

There is a very important reasoning behind telling people in hurricane prone areas to have at least a weeks worth of water, drinks, food, meds, etc. It's to take care of yourself. Just like you do most days, I would hope. Until help can arrive. It does take time to get to everyone.



I absolutely agree with you that anyone living in hurricane areas should be prepared to fend for themselves for a week, should a hurricane strike. Should have drinking water, nonparishable foods, medications, pet foods, batteries, a battery operated radio, flashlights, gas for generators if you have them, propane tanks filled on outdoor grills, car tanks filled. And that is what we do if we have one headed our way. I never expect much if any assistance for that first week but after that there should be multiple stations set up in cities for distribution of basic needs.

[warhorse46]

New state law in Texas..startin Sept. 1st..

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/6548468.html


CORPUS CHRISTI — Police can arrest people who don't leave town under mandatory evacuation orders under a new state law that goes into effect in the heart of Texas' hurricane season.

The law was passed this year and is effective Sept. 1. It also applies to other disasters, such as fires or floods.

As it stands, officials cannot compel people to evacuate, only warn that those who stay behind won't have any emergency services at their disposal.

The Corpus Christi Caller-Times reports the new law gives county judges and mayors the power to authorize use of “reasonable force” to remove people from the area.

(I am surprised some in Texas didn't post this news already..)


That law has been around for many years but during a hurricane law officers are so busy they are unable to enforce it. Gov Perry has already announced he knows it will not be enforced & our police chief & mayor have said the same thing.

[msgatorslayer]

You all know....FEMA assistance was bad for victims of hurricane Ike and G ustav because of the MAJOR abuse that took place after Katrina and Rita.....It is so sad, but there was some BLATANT fraud.....for HUGE amounts of money.....Now what STOOD OUT MOST was the FEMA cards showing up in houston strip clubs....and 2 carat diamond purchases.....for example....

MY problem with FEMA was what damage would be covered by which insurance.....we lost a roof....a chimney came down diagonally onto a load bearing wall ....and 15 feet of water....needless to say....flood insurance wanted to only pay for the damage up to the table height....but homeowners said that the flood was higher....but flood insurance said it was RAIN damage.....It was a long fight, but we finally were compensated.

There was rampant fraud in Florida during the 2004 season as well. Not nearly to the extreme as others seen. But it was there. People living in the, IIRC, Miami area, where none of the storms that year touched. {Don't quote me on Miami, proper, but it was somewhere down south of me} People took advantage of the system. And the system wasn't programmed to know any better.

There was fraud on very small scales as well. People running to get ice and water, meals, for no real need. Just because they could. As their area was deemed a disaster area and the 'comfort stations' were set up.

I was w.o power for 3 days. Only because of a tree that feel on a power line. I lost a whole freezer and fridge full of food. And didn't even suffer w.o a/c cause we went to my SIL's house. My neighborhood was not a disaster. But my County was. I could have, if I wanted to go through the system and red tape, been reimbursed through FEMA for lost food. But why? Mr. Gator had a job.

There will always be people who take advantage of any system. It makes it harder on people who really need the help.

[warhorse46]

You all know....FEMA assistance was bad for victims of hurricane Ike and G ustav because of the MAJOR abuse that took place after Katrina and Rita.....It is so sad, but there was some BLATANT fraud.....for HUGE amounts of money.....Now what STOOD OUT MOST was the FEMA cards showing up in houston strip clubs....and 2 carat diamond purchases.....for example....

MY problem with FEMA was what damage would be covered by which insurance.....we lost a roof....a chimney came down diagonally onto a load bearing wall ....and 15 feet of water....needless to say....flood insurance wanted to only pay for the damage up to the table height....but homeowners said that the flood was higher....but flood insurance said it was RAIN damage.....It was a long fight, but we finally were compensated.


That is one of the things I was complaining about, the abnormally long time it takes to get anything done & the fact that agencies always want to pass the buck to someone else & you are caught in the middle.
I agree that during Katrina there was a lot of fraud with the FEMA cards & safeguards should be in place to prevent that. But the safeguard is not with holding them all together from everyone.

[warhorse46]

According to the latest NOAA report Ana has dissipated with conditions not favorable for reforming. Bill seems to be strengthening but models show he will stay out in the Atlantic & probably will not strike the US coast.

[Lavinia]

I agree there was unconscionable fraud with FEMA and those folks should be strung up. But there is rampant fraud with everything I can think of, both in the governmental and private sector. IMO, FEMA should have had some type of disbursal system that didn't just hand out checks to anyone with a name in NOLA. They, FEMA, had no idea what they were doing.

I know, though, if we had had a major hurricane when we were young and poor, I KNOW we could never have come up with the funds to evacuate. When we did with Rita, it cost us an *easy* $3000, to evacuate to a hotel that was out of harms way for the 3 week mandatory stay. Even then credit cards saved us as banks closed early. Those who evacuate are also losing their paychecks for *at least* the time they are evacuated and often much longer.

When we were young, frankly we would also have been hard pressed to come up with the money to buy bottled water, lanterns, batteries, extra diapers, a lot of non-perishable foods, etc. as we were living hand to mouth at the time. People who live on social security or disability or otherwise impoverished have just as much trouble. We don't have great public transportation in the city and none in all of the towns around us and if you don't have a car, and/or you are physically unable, it's very difficult to buy those supplies and get them to your house if you do have the money. Generators are particularly difficult. They are expensive, then you have to have the means to keep them gassed up at all times. (And they are stolen like mad from people's houses.)

So often we think hurricanes are coming and they don't and that has a lot to do with folk's complacency. That we had 2 major storms within a couple of years was nothing short of a statistical freak occurrence. People who were still using every penny they could rub together to repair from the first hurricane just could find no way to come up with more.

On Hurricane Ike, my husband had a rented boat stall at the beach with tons of tools (he built at the beach), his kayak, lumber, etc. All lost, no insurance because it was at the beach. (And fortunately, we could recoup from that, but way back when, if he lost his tools, we would have lost our way of making an income forever.)

When our home flooded, I honestly don't know what we would have done if husband wasn't in the building business. We had a lot of kind souls that helped us with that. (That was the house where we were told we didn't need flood insurance since we weren't in a flood plain.)

I agree with you guys though, that there is a sub-group of people who see stuff like this as a payday from the govt. and they need to be weeded out, but there is a legitimate need for help when your property is destroyed and I disagree with anyone who thinks we ought to suck it up because of where we live (hurricane alley). If it's thought that it's expensive to repair us should we need the help, wait until there is no one living in this area using our natural resources to supply the rest of the nation with oil/gas. lumber, cattle, etc. See how expensive that gets. Plus you all would have to absorb our population and how many of you want a bunch of southerners drawling on your front porch? :tonguewag:

[CelticDawn]

I agree with you Lavinia....


"SUCK IT UP".....Well I would like to see how the rest of the Nation would do without the people living in Hurricane Alley....It is a necessary area for this natiuon....New York, Long Beach Los Angeles and Miami cant handle the petrochemical industry Ports and Pipelines that feed the nation ....Close down the Gulf coast and watch the nation scramble.

[Lynden1000]

I agree there was unconscionable fraud with FEMA and those folks should be strung up. But there is rampant fraud with everything I can think of, both in the governmental and private sector. IMO, FEMA should have had some type of disbursal system that didn't just hand out checks to anyone with a name in NOLA. They, FEMA, had no idea what they were doing.

I know, though, if we had had a major hurricane when we were young and poor, I KNOW we could never have come up with the funds to evacuate. When we did with Rita, it cost us an *easy* $3000, to evacuate to a hotel that was out of harms way for the 3 week mandatory stay. Even then credit cards saved us as banks closed early. Those who evacuate are also losing their paychecks for *at least* the time they are evacuated and often much longer.

When we were young, frankly we would also have been hard pressed to come up with the money to buy bottled water, lanterns, batteries, extra diapers, a lot of non-perishable foods, etc. as we were living hand to mouth at the time. People who live on social security or disability or otherwise impoverished have just as much trouble. We don't have great public transportation in the city and none in all of the towns around us and if you don't have a car, and/or you are physically unable, it's very difficult to buy those supplies and get them to your house if you do have the money. Generators are particularly difficult. They are expensive, then you have to have the means to keep them gassed up at all times. (And they are stolen like mad from people's houses.)

So often we think hurricanes are coming and they don't and that has a lot to do with folk's complacency. That we had 2 major storms within a couple of years was nothing short of a statistical freak occurrence. People who were still using every penny they could rub together to repair from the first hurricane just could find no way to come up with more.

On Hurricane Ike, my husband had a rented boat stall at the beach with tons of tools (he built at the beach), his kayak, lumber, etc. All lost, no insurance because it was at the beach. (And fortunately, we could recoup from that, but way back when, if he lost his tools, we would have lost our way of making an income forever.)

When our home flooded, I honestly don't know what we would have done if husband wasn't in the building business. We had a lot of kind souls that helped us with that. (That was the house where we were told we didn't need flood insurance since we weren't in a flood plain.)

I agree with you guys though, that there is a sub-group of people who see stuff like this as a payday from the govt. and they need to be weeded out, but there is a legitimate need for help when your property is destroyed and I disagree with anyone who thinks we ought to suck it up because of where we live (hurricane alley). If it's thought that it's expensive to repair us should we need the help, wait until there is no one living in this area using our natural resources to supply the rest of the nation with oil/gas. lumber, cattle, etc. See how expensive that gets. Plus you all would have to absorb our population and how many of you want a bunch of southerners drawling on your front porch? :tonguewag:

I love it (or hate it rather) when people say we Floridians get what we deserve for living in a hurricane prone state, but then people KEEP MOVING HERE!

[Scampi]

What a good post Lavie, I agree with all you have posted.

Hub informed me last night, that this year's hurricane names, are the exact same ones of year 2003, when Isabel hit us. The name Isabel was retired in 2003, because of the extensive damage that was done.

It appears Bill is staying out in the Atlantic, and Ana is no more, I guess we have all dodged a bullet.

[Lavinia]

I just think that, if you choose to live in an area plagued by hurricanes, you need to be prepared to deal with the repercussions of that choice.

It drives me crazy when people ignore the evacuation orders, don't have the necessary supplies/generators etc ready, and then have the tenacity to actually complain that the services aren't brought TO them fast enough.

Honestly when I hear people complaining about not getting FREE services to their liking it makes my blood boil. Be grateful for what you get!

BM

Shells, I haven't seen a human being in the US get a FREE service in my life. It's paid for with tax dollars or the private sector. Some of the people who do get benefits may have never paid into the system so it may be "free" to them, but that is not the norm. Hurricanes, earthquakes, fires, etc. don't go looking for the welfare cheats and chronically unemployed to hit so they can apply for government resources, but they are included in the disaster along with the rest of the population. I dare say there are govt. programs I don't want to pay for. I bet you can find a lot of younger people who don't like paying for "those old coots'" Medicare and social security. I bet many elderly don't want to pay taxes for college grants for children. I don't like paying to jail marijuana users and certain wars. Why do people send money overseas to help children a la "the Christian Children's Fund, etc. or The World Wildlife Federation? They don't pay taxes, they're "choosing" to live in impoverished counties and they're sure getting something free. I believe it's because most people want to help people in need.

[warhorse46]

I just think that, if you choose to live in an area plagued by hurricanes, you need to be prepared to deal with the repercussions of that choice.

It drives me crazy when people ignore the evacuation orders, don't have the necessary supplies/generators etc ready, and then have the tenacity to actually complain that the services aren't brought TO them fast enough.

Honestly when I hear people complaining about not getting FREE services to their liking it makes my blood boil. Be grateful for what you get!


Free services? Where do you get that there are free services? FEMA is supported by tax dollars & people living in the hurricane states DO pay taxes so in effect we are collecting what we have paid in.
I am complaining because FEMA had many many 18 wheeler trucks staged very near us that sat for days upon days with ice melting, milk ruining because FEMA administrators could not get their fingers out of their noses & make decisions where to set up the PODs. Then the decision was made to set up only one POD in a city of 125,000 people which resulted in miles of backed up cars blocking streets & waits of up to 8 hours. Extremely poor planning & execution of a disaster plan IMO.


http://www.click2houston.com/news/19716691/detail.html

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/09/fema_bashed_for_hurricane_ike.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/17/hurricane-ike-survivors-l_n_127322.html?page=5

[Shells2]

On Hurricane Ike, my husband had a rented boat stall at the beach with tons of tools (he built at the beach), his kayak, lumber, etc. All lost, no insurance because it was at the beach. (And fortunately, we could recoup from that, but way back when, if he lost his tools, we would have lost our way of making an income forever.)




I agree with all of your post, but I want to ask one thing about this part... Why in Hurricane country, would you leave anything of value at the beach? When the storm warnings come in, why don't people have facilities already set up, that they can move anything of value that is on the beach and certain to get destroyed to? Insurance wont insure it because it is a certainty that it will be destroyed, so why not protect it?

[warhorse46]

I agree with all of your post, but I want to ask one thing about this part... Why in Hurricane country, would you leave anything of value at the beach? When the storm warnings come in, why don't people have facilities already set up, that they can move anything of value that is on the beach and certain to get destroyed to? Insurance wont insure it because it is a certainty that it will be destroyed, so why not protect it?



Have safe facilities already set up? Well considering a hurricane moves inland for hundreds of miles one would have to set up their safe facility many hundreds of miles away. Not economical or logical. And add to that when storm warnings are posted they cover many hundreds of miles of coast line, most of which will not be effected by the approaching storm.

[Shells2]

Free services? Where do you get that there are free services? FEMA is supported by tax dollars & people living in the hurricane states DO pay taxes so in effect we are collecting what we have paid in.


]

That is exactly my point - they are NOT Free - everyone else has to pay for them, in a country that is almost TWO TRILLION dollars in debt!

Are you telling me that your family has paid enough dollars in taxes to pay for a whole new house to be built? And even if they have, what about education, military protection, roads, infrastructures and all the other amenties that their tax dollars went to, they paid enough to cover their portion of that as well?

Don't make it sound like you paid for this, because that is not the case.

Do you know how much Hurricane Ike cost ~ $2.4 billion! Katrina? 200 Billion!!!! Do not try to tell me that that was already your money in the Gov't's bank, being held for you for a time like this! Because you and I both know darn well, you receive more than you pay in circumstances like this!

Again, I am NOT saying that help shouldn't be given, but this sense of entitlement drives me crazy! Maybe a little more gratitude and a little less demanding is in order.

Edited to fix my misspelling of the word education.. HAHAHA!

[Shells2]

Have safe facilities already set up? Well considering a hurricane moves inland for hundreds of miles one would have to set up their safe facility many hundreds of miles away. Not economical or logical. And add to that when storm warnings are posted they cover many hundreds of miles of coast line, most of which will not be effected by the approaching storm.


So it's more logical and economical to leave your belongings on a beach in a hurricane? HAH!

[Lavinia]

I agree with all of your post, but I want to ask one thing about this part... Why in Hurricane country, would you leave anything of value at the beach? When the storm warnings come in, why don't people have facilities already set up, that they can move anything of value that is on the beach and certain to get destroyed to? Insurance wont insure it because it is a certainty that it will be destroyed, so why not protect it?

There is no time to save *everything* you own. At the time of Rita, for example, I was VERY ill with multiple sclerosis. (We live about 65 miles inland from the particular beach I'm referring to.) Rita moved at the last minute in the gulf and we had ONE day to know it was coming our way. His priority number ONE was battening down everything at our home and gassing all the vehicles, packing things to get the heck out of Dodge. THEN he had to board up about 20 beach cabins that we had that either weren't sold yet or he did for owners that lived hours away and DPS wouldn't allow the owners to go to the region to board up for themselves. There would have been NO WHERE to rent some kind of U Haul at the time as they were shut down for the storm and time ran out (Plus it would have been almost impossible to find the gas for a UHaul.). He decided he didn't need that damn kayak, lol, and he realized that losing his tools was just going to have to be the cost of doing business. He had to drive US out of harm's way, not some stupid truck.

When we evacuated for Rita, we left when officials told us to. We wound up on the road for almost 13 hours to get about 2-3 hours out of town. I was sick and we had our 2 youngsters on the road with us and the storm was bearing down on us. I just knew we were going to have to ride it out in that damned truck with our two petrified kids. Cars were running out of gas on the highway and overheating. We were able to get out of our cars ~on the interstate~ and visit with other people and share water and food because the line barely moved.

THIS is an example of the evacuation from Rita. Notice ALL lanes are going one way, away from the storm, as they shut down traffic going into the storm.

http://tinypic.com/r/29aw274/3

http://tinypic.com/r/wmimo9/3


P.S. It is only logical for my husband to have his supplies at the beach where he works almost everyday of his life. There wouldn't be another place you could know ahead of time to move it to, because how do you know *that* wouldn't be the place a hurricane hits?

It's just not as easy as you might think.

[warhorse46]

So you agree that FEMA is not there to pay for the whole expense of repairs but yet your DS and DIL only used what FEMA gave them to repair the house in your words a "second rate patch job" and in the end are getting a whole new house because they didn't contribute any of their funds to making sure that the repairs were done correctly? If they don't have to pay a mtg and are working they should have been able to contribute funds to make sure that the job was done right in the first place instead of just a "second rate patch job", IMO


You obviously have no idea what you are talking about since you have no idea what their financial status was. You are assuming & we all know what assuming does.

[Shells2]

There is no time to save *everything* you own. At the time of Rita, for example, I was VERY ill with multiple sclerosis. (We live about 65 miles inland from the particular beach I'm referring to.) Rita moved at the last minute in the gulf and we had ONE day to know it was coming our way. His priority number ONE was battening down everything at our home and gassing all the vehicles, packing things to get the heck out of Dodge. THEN he had to board up about 20 beach cabins that we had that either weren't sold yet or he did for owners that lived hours away and DPS wouldn't allow the owners to go to the region to board up for themselves. There would have been NO WHERE to rent some kind of U Haul at the time as they were shut down for the storm and time ran out (Plus it would have been almost impossible to find the gas for a UHaul.). He decided he didn't need that damn kayak, lol, and he realized that losing his tools was just going to have to be the cost of doing business. He had to drive US out of harm's way, not some stupid truck.

When we evacuated for Rita, we left when officials told us to. We wound up on the road for almost 13 hours to get about 2-3 hours out of town. I was sick and we had our 2 youngsters on the road with us and the storm was bearing down on us. I just knew we were going to have to ride it out in that damned truck with our two petrified kids. Cars were running out of gas on the highway and overheating. We were able to get out of our cars ~on the interstate~ and visit with other people and share water and food because the line barely moved.

THIS is an example of the evacuation from Rita. Notice ALL lanes are going one way, away from the storm, as they shut down traffic going into the storm.

http://tinypic.com/r/29aw274/3

http://tinypic.com/r/wmimo9/3

http://tinypic.com/r/2cwqs1y/3

P.S. It is only logical for my husband to have his supplies at the beach where he works almost everyday of his life. There wouldn't be another place you could know ahead of time to move it to, because how do you know *that* wouldn't be the place a hurricane hits?

It's just not as easy as you might think.


First of all, that is just horrible what you went though, and I can't imagine how awful that trip must have been for you and your family ~ that is just horrendous to even read..

There are concrete storage sheds that aren't that expensive, that can withstand winds up to 250mph. You aren't guaranteed that flooding will not hit your home, but isn't' it worth a shot to get one of these sheds and put your husbands supplies, tools and your valuables in here during a hurricane, instead of leaving it on the beach where it is certain to be destroyed? Also, your homeowners insurance may cover it if it is stored on your property.

[warhorse46]

That is exactly my point - they are NOT Free - everyone else has to pay for them, in a country that is almost TWO TRILLION dollars in debt!

Are you telling me that your family has paid enough dollars in taxes to pay for a whole new house to be built? And even if they have, what about education, military protection, roads, infrastructures and all the other amenties that their tax dollars went to, they paid enough to cover their portion of that as well?

Don't make it sound like you paid for this, because that is not the case.

Do you know how much Hurricane Ike cost ~ $2.4 billion! Katrina? 200 Billion!!!! Do not try to tell me that that was already your money in the Gov't's bank, being held for you for a time like this! Because you and I both know darn well, you receive more than you pay in circumstances like this!

Again, I am NOT saying that help shouldn't be given, but this sense of entitlement drives me crazy! Maybe a little more gratitude and a little less demanding is in order.

Edited to fix my misspelling of the word education.. HAHAHA!


This country who is two trillion dollars in debt who found the resources to dole out multiple of billions of dollars in bail out money to big businesses.
You are assuming I am not grateful for the little assistance we did get, again we all know what assume means & I think the definition fits here as well. My complain as I previously stated but you must have missed is the inefficient wasteful manner the program was operated. Lessons should have been learned with Katrina but were not. I provided links to this problem.

[Lavinia]

That is exactly my point - they are NOT Free - everyone else has to pay for them, in a country that is almost TWO TRILLION dollars in debt!

Are you telling me that your family has paid enough dollars in taxes to pay for a whole new house to be built? And even if they have, what about education, military protection, roads, infrastructures and all the other amenties that their tax dollars went to, they paid enough to cover their portion of that as well?

Don't make it sound like you paid for this, because that is not the case.

Do you know how much Hurricane Ike cost ~ $2.4 billion! Katrina? 200 Billion!!!! Do not try to tell me that that was already your money in the Gov't's bank, being held for you for a time like this! Because you and I both know darn well, you receive more than you pay in circumstances like this!

Again, I am NOT saying that help shouldn't be given, but this sense of entitlement drives me crazy! Maybe a little more gratitude and a little less demanding is in order.

Edited to fix my misspelling of the word education.. HAHAHA!

I bet I'm not paying in enough insurance premiums to cover a catastrophic brain cancer either, but that's the way it works. The individual tax payers around here may not have paid in 2.4 billion dollars, but I bet our local industries, corporations, businesses, etc, have.

Is that how we're going to determine who gets help? How much is your tax base in your town VS who gets clean water? Some of the kids in my kids' schools most likely never paid taxes. That cerebral palsy thing of theirs? Pffft Sorry, no help for you.

OMG, Shells! I will NEVER, EVER, think, "I have mine, to hell with the rest of you!"

[warhorse46]

You've got to understand that it's the poorest of the poor who needed the most help. Of course they don't even hardly pay any taxes into the system but that's beside the point. When I flew into Houston a few weeks ago I could see blue tarps still on houses. They were the houses in the most poverty stricken areas. Many of those houses that had the most damage of course were the ones in poorest areas that were poorly built to begin with.

You do make a very good point that Ike's devestation cannot be compared to Katrina's.



There are still thousands of blue roofs in my city too but they are evenly distributed through out the city not just in the poor sections. When you flew into Houston you saw only a tiny portion of the city.

[Shells2]

You've got to understand that it's the poorest of the poor who needed the most help. Of course they don't even hardly pay any taxes into the system but that's beside the point. When I flew into Houston a few weeks ago I could see blue tarps still on houses. They were the houses in the most poverty stricken areas. Many of those houses that had the most damage of course were the ones in poorest areas that were poorly built to begin with.

You do make a very good point that Ike's devestation cannot be compared to Katrina's.

I understand that it's the poverty stricken that end up suffering.. I do. It's just the attitude I guess that sets me off.

Disasters bring out the best and worst in people.. all the ugly things in society come right to the surface - racism, greed, self-entitlement and that sucks from the generosity, compassion and care that so many give.

I know a family that had property and a business damaged, and insurance paid to put it all back together again. It wasn't a problem for them, not enjoyable, but it wasn't financially devastating - because they were prepared! They accept the risks of where they live, and take the necessary precautions - pictures, papers etc. all are copied and locked away, insurance is in check.. all sorts of things, they say this is what one does when they live in an area like that.

They were volunteering to help other victims, and the one thing that drove them crazy is here they were helping out, after losing so much on their own, and people had the nerve to complain ~ the husband was just furious!

[enigma™]

Any word on the progress of Bill? This is the 2009 Summer Storm forum, or have I made a bad detour? It is looking more like a political debate than the progress of the summer storms.

[Lavinia]

First of all, that is just horrible what you went though, and I can't imagine how awful that trip must have been for you and your family ~ that is just horrendous to even read..

There are concrete storage sheds that aren't that expensive, that can withstand winds up to 250mph. You aren't guaranteed that flooding will not hit your home, but isn't' it worth a shot to get one of these sheds and put your husbands supplies, tools and your valuables in here during a hurricane, instead of leaving it on the beach where it is certain to be destroyed? Also, your homeowners insurance may cover it if it is stored on your property.

We don't have those kinds of sheds around here, but he doesn't know what he's going to need day to day. Transfer the contents of a storage shed in a truck that would have to be bought for the occasion and a truck driver and the gas to run the truck? He can't drive the truck because he has an office set up in his "real" truck. It is more cost effective to lose it all and re-buy which is exactly what we did with OUR money.

Why do people keep boats in boat storage sheds? Why do they keep them in marinas? Because that's where they use them.

My homeowners wouldn't have paid for it because we can't have industrial supplies at our home. Our neighbors would have run us out of town before any hurricane would. :laugh:

[Shells2]

I bet I'm not paying in enough insurance premiums to cover a catastrophic brain cancer either, but that's the way it works. The individual tax payers around here may not have paid in 2.4 billion dollars, but I bet our local industries, corporations, businesses, etc, have.

Is that how we're going to determine who gets help? How much is your tax base in your town VS who gets clean water? Some of the kids in my kids' schools most likely never paid taxes. That cerebral palsy thing of theirs? Pffft Sorry, no help for you.

OMG, Shells! I will NEVER, EVER, think, "I have mine, to hell with the rest of you!"


I am NOT saying that!

Show me a person that gets cured from cerebral palsy that screams in the media to the doctors and scientists that cured them "It's about darn time you cured me! And I wanted to wear a pink hospital gown when I got the cure, not this ugly white one, now give me a whole new wardrobe to compensate for me wearing this ugly white thing on TV".

That is my point.

[Shells2]

We don't have those kinds of sheds around here, but he doesn't know what he's going to need day to day. Transfer the contents of a storage shed in a truck that would have to be bought for the occasion and a truck driver and the gas to run the truck? He can't drive the truck because he has an office set up in his "real" truck. It is more cost effective to lose it all and re-buy which is exactly what we did with OUR money.

Why do people keep boats in boat storage sheds? Why do they keep them in marinas? Because that's where they use them.

My homeowners wouldn't have paid for it because we can't have industrial supplies at our home. Our neighbors would have run us out of town before any hurricane would. :laugh:

I'm saying when the Hurricane warnings come out - if you have the shed on your property you have someplace to put them. Not to keep them there every day...

Maybe look into having your home address registered as a business address as well for your husband, then his business insurance may cover it. I'm not sure on this.. but it's worth a shot.

[Lavinia]

There are still thousands of blue roofs in my city too but they are evenly distributed through out the city not just in the poor sections. When you flew into Houston you saw only a tiny portion of the city.

You're right WH. I live in the west end and we have blue roofs here too. We only just last month fixed our privacy fence. There are just so many little things, but the cost adds up.

[Shells2]

This country who is two trillion dollars in debt who found the resources to dole out multiple of billions of dollars in bail out money to big businesses.
You are assuming I am not grateful for the little assistance we did get, again we all know what assume means & I think the definition fits here as well. My complain as I previously stated but you must have missed is the inefficient wasteful manner the program was operated. Lessons should have been learned with Katrina but were not. I provided links to this problem.


So, because the economy and thousands of jobs ( which = taxes!!) are saved, it makes the statement that you receive more than you paid not correct? So, lets just keep putting the US more and more in debt because the gov't bailed out the economy? Is this the logic you are using here?

[Shells2]

Lavina,

here is a link on some sheds..

http://www.hurricaneproof.com/storage_sheds.php

[warhorse46]

There is no time to save *everything* you own. At the time of Rita, for example, I was VERY ill with multiple sclerosis. (We live about 65 miles inland from the particular beach I'm referring to.) Rita moved at the last minute in the gulf and we had ONE day to know it was coming our way. His priority number ONE was battening down everything at our home and gassing all the vehicles, packing things to get the heck out of Dodge. THEN he had to board up about 20 beach cabins that we had that either weren't sold yet or he did for owners that lived hours away and DPS wouldn't allow the owners to go to the region to board up for themselves. There would have been NO WHERE to rent some kind of U Haul at the time as they were shut down for the storm and time ran out (Plus it would have been almost impossible to find the gas for a UHaul.). He decided he didn't need that damn kayak, lol, and he realized that losing his tools was just going to have to be the cost of doing business. He had to drive US out of harm's way, not some stupid truck.

When we evacuated for Rita, we left when officials told us to. We wound up on the road for almost 13 hours to get about 2-3 hours out of town. I was sick and we had our 2 youngsters on the road with us and the storm was bearing down on us. I just knew we were going to have to ride it out in that damned truck with our two petrified kids. Cars were running out of gas on the highway and overheating. We were able to get out of our cars ~on the interstate~ and visit with other people and share water and food because the line barely moved.

THIS is an example of the evacuation from Rita. Notice ALL lanes are going one way, away from the storm, as they shut down traffic going into the storm.

http://tinypic.com/r/29aw274/3

http://tinypic.com/r/wmimo9/3


P.S. It is only logical for my husband to have his supplies at the beach where he works almost everyday of his life. There wouldn't be another place you could know ahead of time to move it to, because how do you know *that* wouldn't be the place a hurricane hits?

It's just not as easy as you might think.


Very accurate description of the Rita evacuation nighmare. It took us 4 hours to get to Buna which is normally a 40 minute drive. We had two cars, 4 people, 11 dogs & we did like yall, got out of the cars, visited with other people, shared food & water, etc. The line of cars was moving inch by inch. People who have never had to evacuate really do not have any concept what it involves.

[warhorse46]

First of all, that is just horrible what you went though, and I can't imagine how awful that trip must have been for you and your family ~ that is just horrendous to even read..

There are concrete storage sheds that aren't that expensive, that can withstand winds up to 250mph. You aren't guaranteed that flooding will not hit your home, but isn't' it worth a shot to get one of these sheds and put your husbands supplies, tools and your valuables in here during a hurricane, instead of leaving it on the beach where it is certain to be destroyed? Also, your homeowners insurance may cover it if it is stored on your property.


You must have missed the part where she said & showed that the highways were turned into ONE WAY traveling away from the coast. He could not have driven to the beach to get his tools even if he had the time to do it. Homeowners insurance will not pay for most hurricane related losses. You must have two other separate policies (windstorm & flood) to cover that. Even then most times you must spend months fighting them because they will all try to pass the buck saying the damaged was caused by something they do not cover.

http://geology.com/articles/homeowners-insurance.shtml

[Lavinia]

Lavina,

here is a link on some sheds..

http://www.hurricaneproof.com/storage_sheds.php

I see what you mean Shells. Unfortunately they would not have EVEN survived the hurricane. (Even if they could, it still would not have been cost effective to buy a piece of property on the beach to place one.) I'm really not complaining about losing his tools. It's just a fact of life. I brought it up because many couldn't have recovered like we did.

This was Crystal Beach with its 10's of thousands of cabins BEFORE the storm. Only about 10% made it through and the majority of those were heavily damaged, including the "hurricane proof" bank.

These pics were taken AFTER the 15 foot wall of water went back out to sea:

http://tinypic.com/r/ny62ox/3

http://tinypic.com/r/96cm5z/3

[Lavinia]

What does it look like on the poor side of town? Do you go over there?

It's still got a lot of problems VLD. there have been a lot of houses that have been abandoned, too. Mostly poor and working poor who owned their houses and can't afford the repairs. And landlords who owned and can't repair their dwellings. A lot of peeps moved away to family for the most part.

It's been, what maybe a year, WH, where they found a man dead in his house that had been there for over a year after the storm and no one noticed. He died the night of the storm (surmised because he was seen the day before and when the neighbors didn't see him the day after the storm, they thought he evacuated to family). They are unsure about the cause of his death since he was skeletonized, but they assume he had a heart attack when the storm got bad.

[Shells2]

You must have missed the part where she said & showed that the highways were turned into ONE WAY traveling away from the coast. He could not have driven to the beach to get his tools even if he had the time to do it.



Can you please direct me to where I stated that her husband should wait until the last minute when there is an evacuation order in process to go down to get his stuff or are you just inaccurately assuming that's what I meant?

Wouldn't common sense dictate that when the hurricane warnings are on, that THAT would be the opportune time to move ones beach belongings into a safe facility? :confused:

[Shells2]

I see what you mean Shells. Unfortunately they would not have EVEN survived the hurricane. (Even if they could, it still would not have been cost effective to buy a piece of property on the beach to place one.) I'm really not complaining about losing his tools. It's just a fact of life. I brought it up because many couldn't have recovered like we did.



Those are some crazy pictures lavina!! Wow! Thanks for sharing them!

could you place one of those sheds on your home property? Just for storage when the warnings came out?

[naurine]

It must be difficult to understand the sudden and unexpected tragedy experienced on the Gulf Coast many times over - I recall going to bed in June, 1957 knowing at the last weather report we had a "minimal" hurricane that would come in overnight or next morning-woke up next day with over 500 people in small town 45 miles from us dead!!! Hurricane Audrey Had Arrived!!!! Much Stronger Than Expected!!! Hundreds Drowned!!! and no one knew.... well, the same thing happened during Rita - we had less than a day's notice that the storm had taken an unexpected turn towards us, with over a million people to be evacuated from Houston alone and hundreds of thousands from surrounding areas, there was no way they could be safe, let alone run from one town to another to secure tools!!! You just can't understand unless you experience it. There is a strong sense of disbelief the whole time it is going on because you know you are at the mercy of something larger and stronger than you could ever be, and you just hope you can survive and that someone can help you survive or, better yet, you will be able to help someone else. Just try to understand a little of what you know nothing about. Thanks

[Lavinia]

Those are some crazy pictures lavina!! Wow! Thanks for sharing them!

could you place one of those sheds on your home property? Just for storage when the warnings came out?

No Shells. Absolutely NO outbuildings here per HOA.

[warhorse46]

Any word on the progress of Bill? This is the 2009 Summer Storm forum, or have I made a bad detour? It is looking more like a political debate than the progress of the summer storms.


Last report I saw said Bill was a full fledged hurricane, still gaining strength but the models predicted him to veer away from the US coast line & stay in the Atlantic. He will be a fish storm.

[Lavinia]

Can you please direct me to where I stated that her husband should wait until the last minute when there is an evacuation order in process to go down to get his stuff or are you just inaccurately assuming that's what I meant?

Wouldn't common sense dictate that when the hurricane warnings are on, that THAT would be the opportune time to move ones beach belongings into a safe facility? :confused:

Shells, on Rita, we had ONE day to do everything we had to do. It was predicted to go much more south than us, by hundreds of miles and turned overnight. There was virtually no warning. Even if a storm is in the gulf, NO ONE, not even civil defense, tells people to evac, because it ties up the interstates for the people who must evac. Plus employers and schools don't quite cotton to the reason, "There's a storm in the gulf." The gulf is huge and the world can't shut down until it gets close enough to predict closer and even then there are some VERY bad predictions. (Through no fault of the predictors, it's just the nature of the beast.)

It is IMPOSSIBLE to move all your belongings from anywhere. If you got a warning today, that you had 24 hours to leave your house AND business (assuming you own a business) or everything would be destroyed, are you saying you wouldn't lose *anything*?

ETA: Add into that equation everyone else around you for 100's of miles, is scrambling for the same supplies as you are to either ride out the disaster or leave.

[warhorse46]

It's still got a lot of problems VLD. there have been a lot of houses that have been abandoned, too. Mostly poor and working poor who owned their houses and can't afford the repairs. And landlords who owned and can't repair their dwellings. A lot of peeps moved away to family for the most part.

It's been, what maybe a year, WH, where they found a man dead in his house that had been there for over a year after the storm and no one noticed. He died the night of the storm (surmised because he was seen the day before and when the neighbors didn't see him the day after the storm, they thought he evacuated to family). They are unsure about the cause of his death since he was skeletonized, but they assume he had a heart attack when the storm got bad.


Yes I remember that, very sad.
Some of the abandoned houses have been demolished now. Most of the houses that still have blue roofs in my area belong to people who are still fighting insurance companies for compensation. One across the street from me belongs to a retired couple who live on a small SS income. They simply do not have the money to reroof their house.

[warhorse46]

Can you please direct me to where I stated that her husband should wait until the last minute when there is an evacuation order in process to go down to get his stuff or are you just inaccurately assuming that's what I meant?

Wouldn't common sense dictate that when the hurricane warnings are on, that THAT would be the opportune time to move ones beach belongings into a safe facility? :confused:




Did you miss the part in her post that stated we were given a ONE day evacuation notice? When hurricane warnings are issued the storm is expected to hit within 24 hours.

<<Hurricane/Tropical Storm Warning: Hurricane/tropical storm conditions are expected in the specified area, usually within 24 hours.
http://www.fema.gov/areyouready/hurricanes.shtm >>

[Shells2]

Shells, on Rita, we had ONE day to do everything we had to do. It was predicted to go much more south than us, by hundreds of miles and turned overnight. There was virtually no warning. Even if a storm is in the gulf, NO ONE, not even civil defense, tells people to evac, because it ties up the interstates for the people who must evac. Plus employers and schools don't quite cotton to the reason, "There's a storm in the gulf." The gulf is huge and the world can't shut down until it gets close enough to predict closer and even then there are some VERY bad predictions. (Through no fault of the predictors, it's just the nature of the beast.)

It is IMPOSSIBLE to move all your belongings from anywhere. If you got a warning today, that you had 24 hours to leave your house AND business (assuming you own a business) or everything would be destroyed, are you saying you wouldn't lose *anything*?

I didn't say move all your belongings. WH said that you couldn't get to the beach because of the roads being closed, and I said that when the warnings were out that there was a storm coming, that would be the time to move your hubby's expensive stuff that's on the beach into the storage shed ( If your HOA would have allowed it)

I never said anything about moving all of anything anywhere..

I used to live in a flood zone, whenever the storms would come up, there were certain steps I took every time. It was just a "routine". I now seem to have picked an area plagued by fires, again - I have certain things that get moved or ready to get moved, prior to there being any evacuation orders.

[warhorse46]

Shells, on Rita, we had ONE day to do everything we had to do. It was predicted to go much more south than us, by hundreds of miles and turned overnight. There was virtually no warning. Even if a storm is in the gulf, NO ONE, not even civil defense, tells people to evac, because it ties up the interstates for the people who must evac. Plus employers and schools don't quite cotton to the reason, "There's a storm in the gulf." The gulf is huge and the world can't shut down until it gets close enough to predict closer and even then there are some VERY bad predictions. (Through no fault of the predictors, it's just the nature of the beast.)

It is IMPOSSIBLE to move all your belongings from anywhere. If you got a warning today, that you had 24 hours to leave your house AND business (assuming you own a business) or everything would be destroyed, are you saying you wouldn't lose *anything*?

ETA: Add into that equation everyone else around you for 100's of miles, is scrambling for the same supplies as you are to either ride out the disaster or leave.


That is what so many people do not understand about an evacuation. They seem to think it is just jump in the car & drive away & that is nowhere near the reality. All of the highways turn into massive parking lots, with cars running out of gas while waiting in the traffic jam, cars overheating, people overheating & needing medical treatment that cannot get to them. And the very real probability that you will be struck by the hurricane while sitting on the highway in the traffic jam.

[MsBondJamesBond]

:seeya:

No storms predicted in CA today, that I'm aware of. Cloudy and 54 in my hood. A little chilly for me.



Will report back should there be any drastic changes. :patriot:

:seeya:

Here in Hooterville the fog is giving way to smoke though the smoke has improved greatly since last week. 67 degrees and hazy is the report from my personal weather alert thingy.

[enigma™]

Last report I saw said Bill was a full fledged hurricane, still gaining strength but the models predicted him to veer away from the US coast line & stay in the Atlantic. He will be a fish storm.

Thank-you for the update. I do hope the fish enjoy!

[Lavinia]

I didn't say move all your belongings. WH said that you couldn't get to the beach because of the roads being closed, and I said that when the warnings were out that there was a storm coming, that would be the time to move your hubby's expensive stuff that's on the beach into the storage shed ( If your HOA would have allowed it)

I never said anything about moving all of anything anywhere..

I used to live in a flood zone, whenever the storms would come up, there were certain steps I took every time. It was just a "routine". I now seem to have picked an area plagued by fires, again - I have certain things that get moved or ready to get moved, prior to there being any evacuation orders.

But you *are* saying move everything. If I told you we lost anything, you seem to be questioning why it wasn't properly taken care of.
You say you live in a fire zone now. Do you have a plan in place to move your garage/attic/basement contents along with the rest of the household and cars to a safe waiting place if a fire threatens? I doubt it. I would imagine you have your valuables and other things you would move though. People lose things in disasters. That's why they are disasters.

I realize your insurance would likely replace most of what you lose, but that's the exception rather than the rule here. Even *if* insurance paid like a prince, you have many hundreds of thousands of claims for them to get through and I don't think I have to remind anyone how slow those wheels turn. Your windstorm insurance company wants to claim your damage is from water. Flood insurance wants to claim wind. No one wants to pay. Then the lawyers get involved.

You prepared for flood when you lived in a flood prone place. We prepare for hurricanes. What if your flood was 10 feet more than predicted? (As they can do.) Your preparations would not have done you much good, much like our hurricanes which don't act as predicted much of the time.

Again, we virtually had no warning. Out of all that we had to do, that stupid boat shed was definitely low man on the totem pole. The stuff he had in that storage was definitely worth money, but not a small fraction of the money had he not taken the time to mitigate damages on million dollar houses he had to take care of and his family and our house. Priorities rule. Again, too, it would not have been cost effective to build Fort Knox for those tools and lumber and junk that needed to be at the beach since that's where they were utilized. It was the cost of doing business there and we accept it. We didn't expect nor ask for a dime to replace it. I just used it as an example.

Now, when we were poor and the tools were all he had to make a living, we would have been in a world of trouble. Thankfully that was not the case for us but it WAS the case for many, many people in these disasters. My husband lost a lot of sub-contractors because they had to move away and start over in other types of businesses.

[Lavinia]

That is what so many people do not understand about an evacuation. They seem to think it is just jump in the car & drive away & that is nowhere near the reality. All of the highways turn into massive parking lots, with cars running out of gas while waiting in the traffic jam, cars overheating, people overheating & needing medical treatment that cannot get to them. And the very real probability that you will be struck by the hurricane while sitting on the highway in the traffic jam.

That was one of the scariest days of my life, sitting in the truck with the kids and the wind whipping those pine trees in a frenzy. The kids were scared and I was wondering why the heck we left home. We barely made it.

[Lavinia]

Well while we're sitting here talking about hurricanes, a tornado hit about a mile from my house tearing off the roof of a Kohl's, tearing up a WalMart and vehicles, and damaging a Barnes and Nobles. My son and I just got back from looky looing.

[Shells2]

Well while we're sitting here talking about hurricanes, a tornado hit about a mile from my house tearing off the roof of a Kohl's, tearing up a WalMart and vehicles, and damaging a Barnes and Nobles. My son and I just got back from looky looing.

WOW!! That's some freaky stuff!

Is this the one?

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/enviornment/tornado-touches-down-in-eastern-texas_100234488.html

I just googled tornado with results in the last 24 hours and this came up..

[Lavinia]

WOW!! That's some freaky stuff!

Is this the one?

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/enviornment/tornado-touches-down-in-eastern-texas_100234488.html

I just googled tornado with results in the last 24 hours and this came up..

That's it! I think maybe I need to quit talking about bad weather, lol.

[Shells2]

That's it! I think maybe I need to quit talking about bad weather, lol.

haha...

I just read some more stories on it, not too much news out yet, but they are saying multiple injuries.. I hope everyone is ok. Sounds like they had no idea this was coming, as vehicles were flipped over in the parking lots.. those poor people must have just been petrified trapped in the stores...

[Lavinia]

Seriously, can we get back to talking about the storms.. UGH...

Haven't heard from Lavina since the tornado.. hope she is ok and it didn't' move towards her direction...

I'm fine, thank you! Well, I *say* I'm fine but I'm trying to configure a new GPS for my car, so I'm a bit :cursing:, lol.

Hopefully, we're just going to get some much needed rain for a bit. (I don't think there were any major injuries during the tornado, but as you can imagine, it scared the beans out of a lot of peeps.)

[CelticDawn]

Any word on the progress of Bill? This is the 2009 Summer Storm forum, or have I made a bad detour? It is looking more like a political debate than the progress of the summer storms.

http://blog.nola.com/hurricane_impact/2009/08/large_bill4pm.jpg
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/storm_graphics/AT03/refresh/AL0309W_NL+gif/143412W_NL_sm.gif
Hurricane Bill, now a Category Two storm, is expected to strengthen considerably in the next two days
The storm is expected to become a major hurricane Tuesday night or Wednesday, according to the National Hurricane Center.

At 4 p.m., the center of Hurricane Bill was located by an Air Force Reserve hurricane hunter aircraft near latitude 16.6 north and longitude 52.2 west, or about 635 miles east of the Leeward Islands in the Caribbean.


The storm is moving west-northwest at about 16 mph. A west-northwest motion is expected to continue Tuesday night, with a turn toward the northwest on Wednesday.

On this track, the hurricane's core will pass well to the northeast of the northern Leeward Islands late Wednesday and early Thursday, the hurricane center said.


Maximum sustained winds are near 110 mph with higher gusts. Hurricane force winds extend outward up to 45 miles from the center and tropical storm force winds extend outward up to 175 miles.

[warhorse46]

Well while we're sitting here talking about hurricanes, a tornado hit about a mile from my house tearing off the roof of a Kohl's, tearing up a WalMart and vehicles, and damaging a Barnes and Nobles. My son and I just got back from looky looing.




When I heard & saw that one the news I immediately thought of you. Glad you are ok. Here is a link to the news story with video of cars flipped on top of each other.

http://www.kfdm.com/sections/top-story/

[warhorse46]

haha...

I just read some more stories on it, not too much news out yet, but they are saying multiple injuries.. I hope everyone is ok. Sounds like they had no idea this was coming, as vehicles were flipped over in the parking lots.. those poor people must have just been petrified trapped in the stores...


10 people sent to the hospital with minor injuries of cuts & bruises. No major injuries. One poor lady was inside her car when another car came flying through the air & landed on her roof, crushing it in. She walked away without a scratch.

[warhorse46]

Seriously, can we get back to talking about the storms.. UGH...

Haven't heard from Lavina since the tornado.. hope she is ok and it didn't' move towards her direction...


It was over in 4 minutes so if she posted after the tornado hit then she is ok.

[Lavinia]

It was over in 4 minutes so if she posted after the tornado hit then she is ok.

I'm fine. I'm taking the little one for a day trip tomorrow before we get a real storm and while gone, I'll cogitate over what the color of donut holes are. :laugh:

[Lavinia]

I JUST got this in my email today from a friend who is back at the beach. It's about Ike and it's great!

http://ictcast.org/ike-film.html

[Scampi]

Well while we're sitting here talking about hurricanes, a tornado hit about a mile from my house tearing off the roof of a Kohl's, tearing up a WalMart and vehicles, and damaging a Barnes and Nobles. My son and I just got back from looky looing.

Whew Lavie, way too close for comfort. Our local news
this morning had pictures of the Kohls. Apparently it shot out of the
blue, no warning at all.

Glad you are safe and sound, have a great time today.

Looks like Hurrcane Bill may attain Cat 5 status. Sure hope he stays
out at sea.

[msgatorslayer]

Hurricane Bill now Category 4 storm in Atlantic

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/tropical_weather

I hope, as predicted, he stays out at sea.

[warhorse46]

Hurricane Bill now Category 4 storm in Atlantic

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/tropical_weather

I hope, as predicted, he stays out at sea.



I'm with you, hope Bill stays well away from land. He is a large powerful storm.

[enigma™]

Thank-you all for the Bill updates. Here is hoping he stays away from land.

[Lavinia]

I was going to take the youngest to La. today then I read the paper. The tropics are getting wild already.

http://www.beaumontenterprise.com/news/local/53682537.html
ALERT: Tornadoes Possible Again Today

One day after a tornado struck West End Beaumont, tornadoes are possible again today, reports the National Weather Service.

A hazardous weather outlook has been issued for Southeast Texas, reports the NWS. Thunderstorms are likely today, particularly in the afternoon. Heavy rainfall is possible, as is the potential for tropical funnel clouds. Storms should diminish around sunset.

[Shells2]

Eeek lavina.. stay safe and maybe start stocking up on some supplies just in case! Keep us posted !

[warhorse46]

I was going to take the youngest to La. today then I read the paper. The tropics are getting wild already.

http://www.beaumontenterprise.com/news/local/53682537.html
ALERT: Tornadoes Possible Again Today

One day after a tornado struck West End Beaumont, tornadoes are possible again today, reports the National Weather Service.

A hazardous weather outlook has been issued for Southeast Texas, reports the NWS. Thunderstorms are likely today, particularly in the afternoon. Heavy rainfall is possible, as is the potential for tropical funnel clouds. Storms should diminish around sunset.



The local news said these storms were the remnants of Claudette but I thought she moved north after landfall. Those storms yesterday stayed on your side of the city, my side barely got rain, just enough to put a few spots on the porch.

[Lavinia]

Eeek lavina.. stay safe and maybe start stocking up on some supplies just in case! Keep us posted !

Thanks Shells, we'll be fine, I'm sure! If one comes this way, I'll just stare it down and send it on it's way. :laugh: (If that doesn't work they have Wi-Fi at my hospital. :laugh:)

[warhorse46]

Latest NOAA report

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/

[Lavinia]

The local news said these storms were the remnants of Claudette but I thought she moved north after landfall. Those storms yesterday stayed on your side of the city, my side barely got rain, just enough to put a few spots on the porch.

I mean minutes before it struck the sky was beautiful blue. I had just called my hubs and told him it was getting dark and I could hear thunder and then the sirens!!! OMG, I didn't know we had that many emergency response vehicles in Bmt. When Sam and I went to check it out, I bet there were 50 or more emergency vehicles around Parkdale and Wal-mart. My daughters boyfriend works in the shopping center where Kohl's is (just a few hundred feet) and they never knew it hit until the first responders came.

[warhorse46]

I mean minutes before it struck the sky was beautiful blue. I had just called my hubs and told him it was getting dark and I could hear thunder and then the sirens!!! OMG, I didn't know we had that many emergency response vehicles in Bmt. When Sam and I went to check it out, I bet there were 50 or more emergency vehicles around Parkdale and Wal-mart. My daughters boyfriend works in the shopping center where Kohl's is (just a few hundred feet) and they never knew it hit until the first responders came.




I heard some thunder & it was a little overcast here but never got dark & rained. Weird. It is a miracle that nobody was seriously injured.

[msgatorslayer]

The local news said these storms were the remnants of Claudette but I thought she moved north after landfall. Those storms yesterday stayed on your side of the city, my side barely got rain, just enough to put a few spots on the porch.

We had some pretty nasty storm cells lastnight which the news said were remnants of Claudette. The sky was black, as black can be. 1k lightning strikes every 15 minutes. Wind gusts that knocked some patio furniture over. And a funnel cloud was reported at Clearwater Beach.

[warhorse46]

We had some pretty nasty storm cells lastnight which the news said were remnants of Claudette. The sky was black, as black can be. 1k lightning strikes every 15 minutes. Wind gusts that knocked some patio furniture over. And a funnel cloud was reported at Clearwater Beach.



Yikes! Scary stuff for yall. I hate lightning.

[DDD]

We are closely watching Bill. If he veres to the west instead of going to the east, we will get hit head on!

DH already took out boat out of the water in anticipation.

We'll see as the weekend gets closer

[CelticDawn]

We are closely watching Bill. If he veres to the west instead of going to the east, we will get hit head on!

DH already took out boat out of the water in anticipation.

We'll see as the weekend gets closer

Just hope that Coriolis Force does its thing and it does its northerly ...then northeast hook sooner rather than later.

[CelticDawn]

I was going to take the youngest to La. today then I read the paper. The tropics are getting wild already.

http://www.beaumontenterprise.com/news/local/53682537.html
ALERT: Tornadoes Possible Again Today

One day after a tornado struck West End Beaumont, tornadoes are possible again today, reports the National Weather Service.

A hazardous weather outlook has been issued for Southeast Texas, reports the NWS. Thunderstorms are likely today, particularly in the afternoon. Heavy rainfall is possible, as is the potential for tropical funnel clouds. Storms should diminish around sunset.

with a front so far south this time of year, we also have to pay very close attention because Lows can and do form out in the gulf along that kind of front...

This time of year, they can develop quickly into Tropical storms.....

[msgatorslayer]

with a front so far south this time of year, we also have to pay very close attention because Lows can and do form out in the gulf along that kind of front...

This time of year, they can develop quickly into Tropical storms.....

Oh yeah, I am not one to take a TS lightly. This time last summer, TS Fay didn't want to leave Florida. Liked it so much she made 4 seperate landfalls. Only time in history that all coastal counties seen a TS warning. It was nuts!!!

[CelticDawn]

Hey you! You're always welcome to head west! We've had two earthquakes in two days (odd for Colorado where they hit) and two tornados (odd for where they were, up in the mtns) in the last two days! Record tying lows both Saturday and Sunday! MaMa Nature is pizzed and making her point loud and clear! Hope all is well!

:wub: I wish I could come out west. If we could all find something to do in the Junction or in moab...I think we are ready to cry uncle and go!

I never klnew that tornadoes were even possible in the mountains....and it seems like there are an inordinate number of earthquakes....especially so far inland.....

[CelticDawn]

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/storm_graphics/AT03/refresh/AL0309W5_NL_sm2+gif/203116W5_NL_sm.gif

[warhorse46]

with a front so far south this time of year, we also have to pay very close attention because Lows can and do form out in the gulf along that kind of front...

This time of year, they can develop quickly into Tropical storms.....



That is so true. Two years ago when we were hit by hurricane Humberto he was a little tropical depression that formed in the Gulf near shore. When we went to bed that night the weather report said he would move ashore during the night @ the strength he was. We woke up very early the next morning being hit by a hurricane. He didn't listen to the weather forecast & strengthened before making landfall.

[warhorse46]

Oh yeah, I am not one to take a TS lightly. This time last summer, TS Fay didn't want to leave Florida. Liked it so much she made 4 seperate landfalls. Only time in history that all coastal counties seen a TS warning. It was nuts!!!


I remember that, it was like she was playing ping pong with Florida.

[warhorse46]

Hey you! You're always welcome to head west! We've had two earthquakes in two days (odd for Colorado where they hit) and two tornados (odd for where they were, up in the mtns) in the last two days! Record tying lows both Saturday and Sunday! MaMa Nature is pizzed and making her point loud and clear! Hope all is well!


That is some crazy weather!

[msgatorslayer]

Bill downgraded to a CAT 3.

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2009/8/20/510714.html?title=Bill+weakens+a+bit,+down+to+Cate gory+3

[warhorse46]

Bill downgraded to a CAT 3.

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2009/8/20/510714.html?title=Bill+weakens+a+bit,+down+to+Cate gory+3



That is good news. They are still predicting he will not be a threat to the US coast line & that too is good news.

[DDD]

That is good news. They are still predicting he will not be a threat to the US coast line & that too is good news.

Up here we have learned from the past that the weathermen don't always get it right! We'll wait and see with this one. They said this morning that Bill is already coming 50 miles closer to the Northeast coast than was orginally predicted. Not much more and he'll be at our doorstep!

[warhorse46]

Up here we have learned from the past that the weathermen don't always get it right! We'll wait and see with this one. They said this morning that Bill is already coming 50 miles closer to the Northeast coast than was orginally predicted. Not much more and he'll be at our doorstep!




I know you are soooo right on that! The weatherman is often wrong especially when it comes to the path of a hurricane. They have a mind of their own & can & do go where they want. You are wise to not let your guard down yet.

[warhorse46]

At this point it looks like its taking dead-on aim for Nova Scotia - but anything can happen before it gets there.





I agree, anything can happen. I hope he curves more & stays away from any land mass.

[Mandysmom]

One thing that bothers me about peoples reaction to FEMA is one of a sense of entitlement.

The gov't and taxpayers don't cause the hurricanes, so why are they expected ( that is the word that bothers me the most) to pay for new roofs, etc. That's what insurance is for.

If they give you a warm meal, and a couple of blankets, I think that a "Thank you" is in order, not a "That's it!???".

I just hate this sense of I'm-damaged-you-better-come-pay-to-fix-it that so many seem to have. These programs do a lot of good, and help a lot of people ~ criticizing the manner in which a hand out is given seems crazy to me...

JMO of course. AMEN Sister!

My family in Gulfport went through Camille, Donna and Katrina. Destroyed and built back each time.

They think it's worth the price to live on the coast. lol

I however, don't want to risk it. :scared: I have enough trouble dealing with damage from tornadoes and straight line winds.

[Mandysmom]

Hurricane Bill will be packing quite a punch this weekend, but fortunately it will be far enough out to sea to do nothing more than create a spectacular display of wave action along the new england coast :thumbup:

That's good news. :thumbup:

[warhorse46]

The latest NOAA report on Bill.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at3+shtml/144717.shtml?5-daynl#contents

[warhorse46]

Thanks for the update, when hurricane bob hit back 91' it cause 600 million dollars in damage :sad:


http://www.geocities.com/hurricanene/hurricanebob.htm




That was a wicked storm!

We are having a very rare weather pattern here this weekend. A cold front will be moving through, dropping our temps by 10 degrees, cutting the humidity in half or more. We hardly ever have a cold front hold together long enough to move this far south in August. Usually it is October before that happens. We are having the thunderstorms now generated by the cool air meeting the hot air.

[KatieLady]

It is amazing to me how some can be so unsympathetic. Why not just stay off of the thread if you don't care to read about it? :rolleyes:

Hoping that all of you in the path stay safe!

[Lavinia]

Thank the lord above. OMG, yet another year of other people's storm damage averted. We usually get the play by play.
Oh wait. I guess we're not done quite yet of hearing about crashed houses and molded bedrooms one more time. Fingers crossed. :wub:

I'll make a deal with you. I'll call off Guido and Rocko. I won't pay them to make you come to this thread anymore if you don't come back with details when a house falls on you or your sister. :tonguewag:

[KatieLady]

I'll make a deal with you. I'll call off Guido and Rocko. I won't pay them to make you come to this thread anymore if you don't come back with details when a house falls on you or your sister. :tonguewag:

Guido and Rocko :lol:

[warhorse46]

Thank the lord above. OMG, yet another year of other people's storm damage averted. We usually get the play by play.
Oh wait. I guess we're not done quite yet of hearing about crashed houses and molded bedrooms one more time. Fingers crossed. :wub:


If you didn't want to read about damage from hurricanes, why did you click on this thread?

[CelticDawn]

for all of those who want to come on this thread and be unsympathetic and accusing people of feeling entitled, I would LOVE to see how your prices would soar EVEN HIGHER for energy and other products if we in SOUTH TEXAS AND SOUTH LOUS=ISIANA did NOT live here and man the ports pipelines, etc.

Long Beach and the other western Ports nor the Northeastern Ports could NOT suffice.....

[CelticDawn]

People who live coddled and sheltered and have NO clue as to what it takes to maintain NATIONAL infastructure should research.

YES there are people who whine and are NOT ENTITLED,, but WE PAY OUR TAXES along with performing jobs that are necessary to maintain this country.

So keep talking

[CelticDawn]

Surely you are aware that the OP of this thread is a known liar about such things. A few years ago she solicited money from the unaware and wonderful unsuspecting posters here to send her money for her "damaged ranch". She even posted pictures of said ranch and when the real owner of the Ranch saw the pictures, reported her to CTV and she was fired, lest CTV get sued for the actions of this employee. Yet here she is being allowed to post about hurricanes again. What a joke.

Then there is Lavina who has told I don't know how many people behind closed doors that she knows warhorse is a liar and lives in the ghetto of her own hometown.

Please. Cry me a river somewhere else.

First of all, I leave lies and liars to their own devices and they will be outed for exactly what they are. I am talking about National infastructure and am not referring to anything personal about anybody here.

I am a survivor of these storms too, but thank GOD I was able to just move to another property further north that was owned by my parents, and I continue to work in the area and to rebuild my OWN .....WITHOUT anybodys handouts.

[Lavinia]

Surely you are aware that the OP of this thread is a known liar about such things. A few years ago she solicited money from the unaware and wonderful unsuspecting posters here to send her money for her "damaged ranch". She even posted pictures of said ranch and when the real owner of the Ranch saw the pictures, reported her to CTV and she was fired, lest CTV get sued for the actions of this employee. Yet here she is being allowed to post about hurricanes again. What a joke.

Then there is Lavina who has told I don't know how many people behind closed doors that she knows warhorse is a liar and lives in the ghetto of her own hometown.

Please. Cry me a river somewhere else.

I sent you a PM about this as I will not get into a pizzing match on here with you about someone personally. I don't know WH anymore than I know you, which is to say, not at all. You are wrong about your facts regarding what you wrote about me, though. Use someone else to further your agenda because I'm not playing.

[CelticDawn]

I sent you a PM about this as I will not get into a pizzing match on here with you about someone personally. I don't know WH anymore than I know you, which is to say, not at all. You are wrong about your facts regarding what you wrote about me, though. Use someone else to further your agenda because I'm not playing.

CHA-CHING

GAME OVER


Let's end all of this....everybody



There are people who suffered life-altering damages because of hurricanes.....not just Katrina and Rita.




Let's all just judge not lest we be judged.
we may all think we know, but none of us know.....Insurance and money doesnt make for security everytime.


so PLEASE people.....

[warhorse46]

CHA-CHING

GAME OVER


Let's end all of this....everybody



There are people who suffered life-altering damages because of hurricanes.....not just Katrina and Rita.




Let's all just judge not lest we be judged.
we may all think we know, but none of us know.....Insurance and money doesnt make for security everytime.


so PLEASE people.....


Yes hurricanes do cause life changing damages anywhere they strike land & yes people do expect assistance from their government in such situations. Not so much in rebuilding but in providing the basic needs in the immediate aftermath. Things like food, potable water, etc. Home repairs come further down the line but people do expect some kind of adequate shelter whether that be a blue roof or a tent, or a hotel room. We are told to perpare ourselves to be self sufficient for 5-7 days post storm & we do that but after that time period adequate help should be in place. Some people who have never experienced such devastation a powerful hurricane can cause just do not comprehend the extent of the damage yet they feel themselves to be so knowledgeable on the subject they can advise others on how they should behave, what they should & should not expect or demand. I am sure that @ least one hurricane will strike the US coast in 2009 & I can empathize with the people in the destruction path if it is not me.

[CelticDawn]

Hurricane Bill on last leg of trip to New England

At 11 a.m., the center of the storm was located 435 miles south of Nantucket Island, Massachusetts, and about 710 miles south-southwest of Halifax, Nova Scotia. Bill's path is expected to take it within 150 miles of Nantucket, the National Hurricane Center said.

The storm was moving slightly faster, at 23 mph, and is expected to move gradually to the north-northeast on Sunday. Bill has sustained winds of about 100 mph, with higher gusts, but will probably weaken Saturday night and Sunday.

Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick said tropical-force winds from the outer bands of the storm were forecast to hit his state at 9 p.m. ET, earlier than expected. The speed of tropical-force winds range from 39 mph to 73 mph. iReport.com: Are you bracing for Hurricane Bill?

A tropical storm warning was issued for the coast of Massachusetts from Woods Hole to Sagamore Beach, including the islands of Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket.

The hurricane itself is to stay off-shore, the hurricane center said.
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The storm should be most intense between midnight and the predawn hours of Sunday, the governor told reporters in a conference call.

Patrick cautioned boaters to expect high seas and to avoid the area around Cape Cod. Forecasters have warned of dangerous riptides along the New England coast and points north. iReport.com: New York City beaches closed

"Waters will be unsafe even for strong swimmers," the governor warned.

He said advisories will be posted, and beaches on the Cape were closed. He urged residents to stay home.

President Obama and his family are scheduled to arrive Sunday for a vacation at Martha's Vineyard.

"We look forward to welcoming him to Massachusetts as soon as he can safely get here," said Patrick.

Canada's weather service, Environment Canada, issued a tropical storm warning for Nova Scotia from Charlesville in Shelburne County eastward to Ecum Secum in Halifax County.
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* National Weather Service: Rip current safety
* WAVY.com: Red flag warnings go up as Bill looms
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The agency issued a hurricane watch from just east of Ecum Secum to Point Aconi, and a tropical storm watch from north of Point Aconi westward to Tidnish and from Victoria in Queen County northward to Lower Darnley in Prince County, including Prince Edward Island.

A tropical storm watch was in effect for Parsons Pond around the southwestern portion of Newfoundland to Arnolds Cove.

Bermuda remained under a tropical storm warning. The storm was dumping rain on the island and was expected to raise water levels by as much as 3 feet above ground level along the coast, the Bermuda Weather Service said.

A tropical storm warning means tropical storm conditions are expected somewhere within the warning area within 24 hours.

"Interests elsewhere along the coast of New England and in the remainder of the Canadian Maritimes should monitor the progress of Bill," the hurricane center advised.

The core of the storm is expected to pass New England off-shore Saturday night, and approach Nova Scotia on Sunday.

Rip currents, or riptides, are strong seaward flows of water that happen where there's a break in the shoreline. They are capable of pulling even strong swimmers out to sea, and they are difficult to detect. Video Watch CNN's Bonnie Schneider talk about rip currents »

The Virginia Beach Emergency Medical Services Department ordered red flags be flown to warn beach-goers of rough waters. And the Virginia Beach Lifesaving Service closed the oceanfront for the weekend, according to CNN affiliate WAVY-TV 10.

Still, some people still were out enjoying the water, albeit with caution.

"I think [the flying of red flags] means we should be paying attention," Erma Wicks told CNN affiliate WAVY. There is an alert in the water. But there's no problem; I'm not going in that far."

Farther north, the Rhode Island Emergency Management Agency began making preparations ahead of the rough surf that was expected to hit this weekend.

RIEMA said on its Web site that it planned to staff its lifeguards at "monitoring" level this weekend.

"We have to plan for the worst and hope for the best in this situation," RIEMA Director J. David Smith told CNN affiliate WPRI.

In New York, all beaches facing the Atlantic Ocean were closed "due to heavy, high waves and particularly heavy currents," New York City Parks and Recreation Commissioner Adrian Benepe said. iReport.com: Red flags line New York City beaches
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"The lifeguards have a lot of experience with these ocean beaches and they just felt it was really too difficult to keep swimmers out of danger," Benepe said.

"We're seeing very strong currents and increased wave height, waves of six to eight feet at Rockaway Beach. The normal out there is usually no more than two or three feet," he said.

[CelticDawn]

The outer rain bands of Bill have already reached Nantucket, Isl.

The Native americans called it canopache (the place of peace) but at least for today anyway the ferocious surf (15-20 feet) tell a different story :ohmy:

CHECK OUT THIS SATELLITE COMPOSITE!!!!!

http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/satellite/animateweb_e.html?imagetype=satellite&imagename=goes_gedisk11_vvi_m_..................jp g&nbimages=1&clf=1

[warhorse46]

CHECK OUT THIS SATELLITE COMPOSITE!!!!!

http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/satellite/animateweb_e.html?imagetype=satellite&imagename=goes_gedisk11_vvi_m_..................jp g&nbimages=1&clf=1


The two good things about Bill are the eyewall is expected to miss the US mainland & he has been downgraded. At one time he was a cat 4. I know those 6-8 foot waves are tempting to the surfers but I sure hope they resist that temptation & stay out of the water.

[warhorse46]

Noaa's latest report on Bill. Looks like he is going to miss Nova Scotia & that is a very good thing.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/

[n/t]

N.S. gets rain, wind as Hurricane Bill moves in

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/08/23/hurricane-bill023.html?ref=rss

Crazy people on the rocks. Some look like children. Ugh

[n/t]

Storm Watch

http://www.theweathernetwork.com/news/storm_watch_stories3&stormfile=bill_20_08_2009&warningtype=sw?ref=stormwatch_home

[warhorse46]

Storm Watch

http://www.theweathernetwork.com/news/storm_watch_stories3&stormfile=bill_20_08_2009&warningtype=sw?ref=stormwatch_home



What are the Meritimes? Are they barrier islands?

[n/t]

What are the Meritimes? Are they barrier islands?

East Coast Canada

The Maritime provinces, also called the Maritimes or the Canadian Maritimes, is a region of Eastern Canada consisting of three provinces: New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, and Prince Edward Island. On the Atlantic coast, the Maritimes are a subregion of Atlantic Canada. The population of the Maritime provinces was 1,826,896 in 2008.[1]

Map

http://atlas.nrcan.gc.ca/site/english/maps/reference/provincesterritories/maritimes/referencemap_image_view

[warhorse46]

East Coast Canada

The Maritime provinces, also called the Maritimes or the Canadian Maritimes, is a region of Eastern Canada consisting of three provinces: New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, and Prince Edward Island. On the Atlantic coast, the Maritimes are a subregion of Atlantic Canada. The population of the Maritime provinces was 1,826,896 in 2008.[1]

Map

http://atlas.nrcan.gc.ca/site/english/maps/reference/provincesterritories/maritimes/referencemap_image_view




Thanks. I am not @ all familiar with the geography of that area.

[CelticDawn]

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/nwatl/avn-l.jpg

notice how bill has not started riding up the existing front that extends down to the Gulf of Mexico.

Let's hope that nothing forms in the gulf along the tail end of this front.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/watl/avn-l.jpg

[CelticDawn]

http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/radar/index_e.html?id=XGO

Here is a loop out of Halifax, Nova scotia. There is a very good Canadian site for following weather, and they are of particular benefit to Maritime interests....shipping.

[CelticDawn]

www.weatheroffice.gc.ca
Canadian weather service.
This is very organized detailed and informative.

[CelticDawn]

Lots of small towns - its a little like Maine.

I've been to Nantucket and to Newfoundland once....and it is LOVELY!

[warhorse46]

Lots of small towns - its a little like Maine.


I have never been to the eastern states but have always wanted to go.

[CelticDawn]

I have never been to the eastern states but have always wanted to go.

http://ts4.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=941640844595&id=160eb5cd31ff68aa3981a1fb99a14058&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.backroads.com%2fimages%2ftrip s%2fWNSQ-nova-scotia-walking.jpg
http://ts4.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=843424400223&id=957d72a17c677933378e82163d7605c3&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.canadianrelocationsolutions.c om%2fimages%2fwhite-point-nova-scotia_8090.jpg

http://ts2.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=992596922357&id=b00dbfce9bae356f007529fcceebbde5&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.hickerphoto.com%2fdata%2fmedi a%2f199%2fnova_scotia_sc0513.jpg

I dont have any pictures from there scanned onto this hard drive but I went to live and these are from Nova scotia.

The area is just breathtakingly beautiful!! It is very different from our coastlines down here.

[R~O~S]

Why do people do this? Large wave crashes over 20 people in Arcadia National Park, they were watching the storm surf. It dragged three people out to sea, the others were able to make it back to land on their own.

The 3 were recovered by the coast guard, but the 7 year old died after being rescued. The 12 year old & a man are recovering.

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20090822/Tropical.Weather/

[warhorse46]

http://ts4.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=941640844595&id=160eb5cd31ff68aa3981a1fb99a14058&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.backroads.com%2fimages%2ftrip s%2fWNSQ-nova-scotia-walking.jpg
http://ts4.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=843424400223&id=957d72a17c677933378e82163d7605c3&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.canadianrelocationsolutions.c om%2fimages%2fwhite-point-nova-scotia_8090.jpg

http://ts2.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=992596922357&id=b00dbfce9bae356f007529fcceebbde5&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.hickerphoto.com%2fdata%2fmedi a%2f199%2fnova_scotia_sc0513.jpg

I dont have any pictures from there scanned onto this hard drive but I went to live and these are from Nova scotia.

The area is just breathtakingly beautiful!! It is very different from our coastlines down here.


Pictures of the eastern coastline fascinate me. Such beauty.

[warhorse46]

Why do people do this? Large wave crashes over 20 people in Arcadia National Park, they were watching the storm surf. It dragged three people out to sea, the others were able to make it back to land on their own.

The 3 were recovered by the coast guard, but the 7 year old died after being rescued. The 12 year old & a man are recovering.

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20090822/Tropical.Weather/


A raging crashing sea is an awesome sight but one that can be so very dangerous.

[warhorse46]

Looks like the tropics are pretty quiet right now, I hope it stays that way for the next month.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/

[enigma™]

Danny could be developing.

http://www.weather.com/newscenter/tropical/?from=hp_news

[warhorse46]

Danny could be developing.

http://www.weather.com/newscenter/tropical/?from=hp_news



Yep, noaa is watching it too. Hope it stays in the Atlantic like Bill did.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/

[CelticDawn]

Yep, noaa is watching it too. Hope it stays in the Atlantic like Bill did.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/

It all depends on the Bermuda High's position ......and that high that is forming over us.....Since the front passed and its remnants are in the gulf, the high has started to build in over the gulf coast...Lets hope that high builds and that the bermuda high moves over so it is guided up the gulf stream.

[warhorse46]

It all depends on the Bermuda High's position ......and that high that is forming over us.....Since the front passed and its remnants are in the gulf, the high has started to build in over the gulf coast...Lets hope that high builds and that the bermuda high moves over so it is guided up the gulf stream.



Fingers crossed & prayers going out for just that to happen.

[CelticDawn]

Fingers crossed & prayers going out for just that to happen.

the weather channel is saying that if it develops, it is predicted to move up the East Coast, but it is unknown just how close it would get to the coast.




4 years ago today, Katrina made its FIRST landfall near miami. 7 lives lost.

[warhorse46]

the weather channel is saying that if it develops, it is predicted to move up the East Coast, but it is unknown just how close it would get to the coast.




4 years ago today, Katrina made its FIRST landfall near miami. 7 lives lost.


Hopefully it will follow Bill's path if it developes.
In some ways it does not seem it has been as long as 4 years since Katrina.

[CelticDawn]

Hopefully it will follow Bill's path if it developes.
In some ways it does not seem it has been as long as 4 years since Katrina.

And we went back home to the bayou afterwards, and then sept 24th, along comes Rita through there. Then we went to st Augustine for awhile and there was tammy and then wilma. That year, it was as if they were following me everywhere I went.

[warhorse46]

And we went back home to the bayou afterwards, and then sept 24th, along comes Rita through there. Then we went to st Augustine for awhile and there was tammy and then wilma. That year, it was as if they were following me everywhere I went.


OMG they were following you that year!
Looks like Danny will come much closer to the US coast line than Bill did.

[warhorse46]

The latest noaa report on the disturbed weather system.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/

[warhorse46]

Danny is born. Looks like he is going to brush NC, Pa & maybe NY.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/

[angellaw]

Danny is born. Looks like he is going to brush NC, Pa & maybe NY.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/


Oh yippy...Danny is heading in our direction..dang!:scared:

[warhorse46]

Oh yippy...Danny is heading in our direction..dang!:scared:



Keep on the alert.

[warhorse46]

Danny's track.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at5+shtml/143345.shtml?5-daynl#contents

[msgatorslayer]

New tropical wave could become Erika

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20090827/BREAKING/908279938/2055/NEWS?Title=New-tropical-wave-could-become-Erika

[warhorse46]

New tropical wave could become Erika

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20090827/BREAKING/908279938/2055/NEWS?Title=New-tropical-wave-could-become-Erika


I saw that on our local weather this evening:sad:.

[warhorse46]

The latest NOAA report


http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/

[CelticDawn]

Danny's nearly stationary. That is particularly bothersome. Everyone along the coast needs to beware.

[CelticDawn]

MIAMI -- Forecasters say Tropical Storm Danny has weakened over the Atlantic and is barely a tropical storm.

But a tropical storm watch for the North Carolina coast remains in effect Friday morning. Large swells from Danny are expected to produce dangerous surf and life-threatening rip currents along the U.S. East Coast over the next day or two.

Danny's maximum sustained winds have decreased to near 40 mph.

The storm is centered about 355 miles (570 kilometers) south of Cape Hatteras, N.C., and moving north-northwest near 9 mph. A turn to the north with an increase in speed is expected later in the day.

This is good.
I was afraid that it would sit still and strengthen but it looks like it may fizzle.

[warhorse46]

Regardless of whether Danny has weakened or not we’re expecting winds in excess of 35 mph on Saturday with predictions of rainfall amounts totaling to 3-5 inches :scared:

That's a lot of rain in 24 hours :sad:

Yes that is a lot of rain in a short amount of time. Hope all of yall stay safe.

[warhorse46]

Latest NOAA report. Sure glad to see the area of disturbed weather not developing.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/

[CelticDawn]

thank God these things are not developing.


The only thing is that it would be GOOD for central texas to get a tropical system! They definitely are becoming desperate for the water. It is much needed for crops, cattle, and general water supplies to the people.

[warhorse46]

thank God these things are not developing.


The only thing is that it would be GOOD for central texas to get a tropical system! They definitely are becoming desperate for the water. It is much needed for crops, cattle, and general water supplies to the people.



That is so true re central Texas. They are in a very bad situation.

[warhorse46]

Thanks :smile:

It's currently raining cats and dogs, but it appears we'll at least salvage sunday :thumbup:




How is your weather now? Did your area get any damage?

[warhorse46]

Latest NOAA report.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/

[Emerald]

There is a cat 4 hurricane headed for a direct hit on Cabo San Lucas on the Baja Peninsula. No indication it will weaken.

FYI..... When Katrina hit it was only a cat 3. Very strong cat 3, but still weaker than Hurricane Jimena headed for Cabo. I hope everyone is safe.

http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/ep200913.html

[Emerald]

Is there any way to get a "Weather" as a main topic of it's own? Lots of people are interested in it. That's why it can sustain a whole network on TV.

[warhorse46]

There is a cat 4 hurricane headed for a direct hit on Cabo San Lucas on the Baja Peninsula. No indication it will weaken.

FYI..... When Katrina hit it was only a cat 3. Very strong cat 3, but still weaker than Hurricane Jimena headed for Cabo. I hope everyone is safe.

http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/ep200913.html



Scary! There will be lots of damage from that one.

[warhorse46]

No damage; but we did get upwards of 3 inches of rain which we really don’t need, since our annual rainfall total is well above average


Sure glad there was no damage & hope yall dry out soon.

[warhorse46]

The area of disturbed weather is showing signs of strengthening.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/

[Emerald]

We've had July record lows here in NW Arkansas. I knew something was different beforehand, because my cat never really lost her winter coat. The beginning of June, I was asking my neighbors about their pets, too.

I don't wish deadly weather on anyone, but sure would like to see that hurricane send rain to the Los Angeles area to help with the wildfires here. Already over 100 thousand acres decimated. Thousands of homes in danger.

[msgatorslayer]

There is a cat 4 hurricane headed for a direct hit on Cabo San Lucas on the Baja Peninsula. No indication it will weaken.

FYI..... When Katrina hit it was only a cat 3. Very strong cat 3, but still weaker than Hurricane Jimena headed for Cabo. I hope everyone is safe.

http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/ep200913.html

People are not leaving. They basically have nothing now and are afraid of those meager possessions being stolen. :crying: This is not good.

Mexico tries to evacuate thousands ahead of Jimena

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090901/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/tropical_weather

[Emerald]

I understand their fears. What will they have if they and their beloved ones are dead?

There is nothing anyone can do if the people refuse to leave. How safe are the official shelters? Safer than a shack shack covered by plastic sheeting in a river bed.

It is not easy for me to watch. I wish there was something I could do.

[warhorse46]

I understand their fears. What will they have if they and their beloved ones are dead?

There is nothing anyone can do if the people refuse to leave. How safe are the official shelters? Safer than a shack shack covered by plastic sheeting in a river bed.

It is not easy for me to watch. I wish there was something I could do.


That is what I was wondering, how safe are the shelters there?

[warhorse46]

We now have tropical storm Erika

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/

[Emerald]

The computer models have Erika going up the lower east coast of Florida and the eastern Atlantic seaboard. That is if it makes it past the Caribbean.

Interesting there has not been even one disturbance in the Gulf.

On another topic..... My cat has gotten a really thick winter coat in the last week or so. Much thicker than I ever remember it. She never really lost last winter's, and we had a very mild summer. Looks like a bad winter is on the way?

[warhorse46]

The computer models have Erika going up the lower east coast of Florida and the eastern Atlantic seaboard. That is if it makes it past the Caribbean.

Interesting there has not been even one disturbance in the Gulf.

On another topic..... My cat has gotten a really thick winter coat in the last week or so. Much thicker than I ever remember it. She never really lost last winter's, and we had a very mild summer. Looks like a bad winter is on the way?



Yep looks like Erika will head for the east coast. I am glad no storms have entered the Gulf this year. After the last 3 years we need a break.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at1+shtml/085713.shtml?5-daynl#contents

[CelticDawn]

Yep looks like Erika will head for the east coast. I am glad no storms have entered the Gulf this year. After the last 3 years we need a break.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at1+shtml/085713.shtml?5-daynl#contents

Thank God, El Nino, and the bermuda High.

[warhorse46]

Thank God, El Nino, and the bermuda High.


Are we having El Nino or La Nina this year?

[warhorse46]

Looks like the Atlanitc coast of Florida might get brushed by Erika.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at1+shtml/143314.shtml?5-daynl#contents

[CelticDawn]

Looks like the Atlanitc coast of Florida might get brushed by Erika.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at1+shtml/143314.shtml?5-daynl#contents

http://www.wwltv.com/topstories/stories/M_IMAGE.1223cc986ef.93.88.fa.d0.1430d5adf.jpg

erika is weakened and disorganized. (http://www.wwltv.com/topstories/stories/wwl090109tperika.13a99dc88.html)

A tropical storm watch is in effect for Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands.

“Gradual weakening is likely during the next couple of days,” said the weather service.

Maximum sustained winds have decreased to near 40 mph, with higher gusts. Little change in strength is expected today although some re-strengthening is possible tomorrow, said a statement from the weather service.

Erika is moving westward at 7 mph and the current models and projections of the storm’s path vary greatly, from entering the Gulf of Mexico to moving up the eastern coast of the United States

“A Tropical Storm Warning remains in effect for Antigua, Barbuda, Montserrat, St. Kitts, Nevis, Anguilla, St. Maarten, Saba and St. Eustatius,” said a statement from the weather service.

The system, which has been followed for several days, was designated a tropical storm Tuesday afternoon.

[warhorse46]

http://www.wwltv.com/topstories/stories/M_IMAGE.1223cc986ef.93.88.fa.d0.1430d5adf.jpg

erika is weakened and disorganized. (http://www.wwltv.com/topstories/stories/wwl090109tperika.13a99dc88.html)

A tropical storm watch is in effect for Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands.

“Gradual weakening is likely during the next couple of days,” said the weather service.

Maximum sustained winds have decreased to near 40 mph, with higher gusts. Little change in strength is expected today although some re-strengthening is possible tomorrow, said a statement from the weather service.

Erika is moving westward at 7 mph and the current models and projections of the storm’s path vary greatly, from entering the Gulf of Mexico to moving up the eastern coast of the United States

“A Tropical Storm Warning remains in effect for Antigua, Barbuda, Montserrat, St. Kitts, Nevis, Anguilla, St. Maarten, Saba and St. Eustatius,” said a statement from the weather service.

The system, which has been followed for several days, was designated a tropical storm Tuesday afternoon.



That is great news, she is falling apart. Hope she just fizzles out completely.

[CelticDawn]

FRED is right off the West coast of Africa.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo_atl.shtml

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo/two_atl.gif

ZCZC MIATWOAT ALL
TTAA00 KNHC DDHHMM
TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
800 AM EDT TUE SEP 8 2009

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER IS ISSUING ADVISORIES ON TROPICAL
STORM FRED...LOCATED ABOUT 285 MILES SOUTHWEST OF THE SOUTHERNMOST
CAPE VERDE ISLANDS.

1. A NON-TROPICAL AREA OF LOW PRESSURE ASSOCIATED WITH A MID- TO
UPPER-LEVEL TROUGH IS LOCATED NEAR THE OUTER BANKS OF NORTH
CAROLINA. WHILE THIS LOW IS PRODUCING SHOWER AND THUNDERSTORM
ACTIVITY...UPPER-LEVEL WINDS ARE EXPECTED TO REMAIN UNFAVORABLE FOR
TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION. THERE IS A LOW CHANCE...LESS THAN 30
PERCENT...OF THIS SYSTEM BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS. THIS LOW WILL PRODUCE LOCALLY HEAVY RAINFALL AND
GUSTY WINDS ALONG THE COAST OF EASTERN NORTH CAROLINA AND
SOUTHEASTERN VIRGINIA TODAY AS IT MOVES SLOWLY NORTH-NORTHEASTWARD.
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THIS SYSTEM CAN BE FOUND IN PRODUCTS
ISSUED BY LOCAL NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORECAST OFFICES.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS.

PUBLIC ADVISORIES ON TROPICAL STORM FRED ARE ISSUED UNDER WMO
HEADER WTNT32 KNHC AND UNDER AWIPS HEADER MIATCPAT2.
FORECAST/ADVISORIES ON TROPICAL STORM FRED ARE ISSUED UNDER
WMO HEADER WTNT22 KNHC AND UNDER AWIPS HEADER MIATCMAT2.

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FORECASTER BLAKE
NNNN

[warhorse46]

FRED is right off the West coast of Africa.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo_atl.shtml

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo/two_atl.gif

ZCZC MIATWOAT ALL
TTAA00 KNHC DDHHMM
TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
800 AM EDT TUE SEP 8 2009

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER IS ISSUING ADVISORIES ON TROPICAL
STORM FRED...LOCATED ABOUT 285 MILES SOUTHWEST OF THE SOUTHERNMOST
CAPE VERDE ISLANDS.

1. A NON-TROPICAL AREA OF LOW PRESSURE ASSOCIATED WITH A MID- TO
UPPER-LEVEL TROUGH IS LOCATED NEAR THE OUTER BANKS OF NORTH
CAROLINA. WHILE THIS LOW IS PRODUCING SHOWER AND THUNDERSTORM
ACTIVITY...UPPER-LEVEL WINDS ARE EXPECTED TO REMAIN UNFAVORABLE FOR
TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION. THERE IS A LOW CHANCE...LESS THAN 30
PERCENT...OF THIS SYSTEM BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS. THIS LOW WILL PRODUCE LOCALLY HEAVY RAINFALL AND
GUSTY WINDS ALONG THE COAST OF EASTERN NORTH CAROLINA AND
SOUTHEASTERN VIRGINIA TODAY AS IT MOVES SLOWLY NORTH-NORTHEASTWARD.
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THIS SYSTEM CAN BE FOUND IN PRODUCTS
ISSUED BY LOCAL NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORECAST OFFICES.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS.

PUBLIC ADVISORIES ON TROPICAL STORM FRED ARE ISSUED UNDER WMO
HEADER WTNT32 KNHC AND UNDER AWIPS HEADER MIATCPAT2.
FORECAST/ADVISORIES ON TROPICAL STORM FRED ARE ISSUED UNDER
WMO HEADER WTNT22 KNHC AND UNDER AWIPS HEADER MIATCMAT2.

$$
FORECASTER BLAKE
NNNN




I saw that on our local news but they are predicting he will stay out in the Atlantic. Our forcaster said it is so late in the season that it is unlikely anything forming off the coast of Africa could make it into the Gulf. But we have an area of low pressure developing in the Western Gulf.

[CelticDawn]

There are now two lows along the Texas coast. One is a bit inland and the other is right off shore. There will be strong storms from Alluvial City through the Houston- Baytown- Beaumont area into Louisiana all the way to the Mississippi Alabama state line.
http://www.weather.com/weather/map/interactive/70435?from=36hr_maps&zoom=8&interactiveMapLayer=radar

If you look at the precip along the north central gulf, you can see the northern side of the circulation.

small craft advisories are up all along the coast.

[CelticDawn]

Winds out of the wet t should keep anything from developing ....but we all will be dumped on!!!

[warhorse46]

Winds out of the wet t should keep anything from developing ....but we all will be dumped on!!!


Yep, our forecasters are predicting 10 inches of rain this weekend & a little breezy maybe up to 30 mph. We have been having @ least one frog strangler of a thunderstorm a day since day before yesterday here. Had one @ 3 AM last night.

[Justins Mom]

I was just in Austin and they are getting hit about 30 miles north with floods

[islandgirl36542]

Five years ago, Hurricane Ivan destroyed much of Baldwin County's Coast and damaged parts of the Florida panhandle. The category three storm claimed 25 lives in the United States and caused more than 13 billion dollars in damage. September, 16th, 2004, is still a nightmare for thousands of Ivan's victims

http://www.wkrg.com/alabama/article/...-2009_7-43-pm/



I still can't forget the haunting images of my town~the whole island looked like a nuclear bomb was dropped on it~I rememeber every day balling my eyes out crossing over the intracoastal canal bridge onto the island(i did this up until like the end of february~crazy aint it)

Thank God for msgatorslayer She stayed on the phone during the hurricane with me for hours! my family was to much in a panic.
I never lost my phone nor my water, I couldnt get out my front door & had 3 ft of debris on the ground, hole in the roof, trees down everywhere~if I think about it I can still smell the scent of pine! But Thats nothing compared to the loss of life I dont care what you read saying 25 people killed~ it was hundreds!!! I saw it with my own eyes, body after body~cadaver dogs everywhere ~thanksgiving came & I remember feeling so guilty knowing thousands of folks were spending it in tents & some were spending it without a loved one. I could go on and on~>:(


Hopefully it will be quiet for another twenty years

Be Prepared ~ Stay Safe

[msgatorslayer]

:seeya: Hey there, friend!

Wow, it's been 5 years. Seems like just yesterday.

I couldn't smell the pine but I sure do remember it. I was scared for you, just hearing what was going on.

It was a long night but you made it through! Glad I was there for you.

[warhorse46]

Horrendous experience for you! Glad you survived & had a friend to reach out to you during the worst times. The 13th of this month was the first anniversary of Ike hitting the upper Texas Gulf Coast. We are still in the rebuilding mode.

[Ozymandias46]

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Quakes/us2009mdbi.php

[Mel]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/09/29/samoa.earthquake/index.html?section=cnn_latest

yikes!...now they're waiting on tsunamis..

[DesertStars]

That is great news, she is falling apart. Hope she just fizzles out completely.

To all of my poster friends in tropical storm country, I wish you well. Hang on tight and keep those rations (aka food, flashlights, batteries, etc).

I am over here in earthquake country and try to do the same, but we get no warning. :glare:

[Jayne]

Yes..I have been trying to get information since our local TV put an "advisory" on for the California coast for tonight..9 PM into tomorrow morning. On AM radio (sorry don't know which station), the beaches in Venice, Santa Monica, etc. are closed by 8 pm, so far.

There were some deaths in the tsunami on Samoa..so so sad, but thankfully it wasn't worse (if that makes any sense?)..it apparently, by the "news" I read, a village was flattened. So sad for all those people...they were scrambling for higher ground.

This "freaks me"...I'm 7-9 miles from the coast..but it's almost all flatland between here and the coast. Fortunately..there are not many who actually live on the coast around this area..but from Santa Barbara, Ventura and especially Malibu on down...I can't imagine - I was staying not far from the beach down there in Venice area..and it's entirely flat for miles.

My heart goes out to those in Samoa and those in Direct Warning...Hawaii, etc. I do hope it just "dies out" for them. Prayers going up...so it "calms" to protect those areas in danger.

jmo

J