8/14, 8/15, 8/16

[happygert]

Good morning.. One day closer to Justice for Caylee.. Is there any new doc dumps coming down soon?

[Sun]

Good morning.. One day closer to Justice for Caylee.. Is there any new doc dumps coming down soon?

Good morning! Some Discovery was released to the defense lately, but so far not a hint from the media as to what it may contain.

A year ago today, Cindy and George has a video visitation with Casey.

[happygert]

Good morning! Some Discovery was released to the defense lately, but so far not a hint from the media as to what it may contain.

A year ago today, Cindy and George has a video visitation with Casey.

part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCpCi...eature=related

part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYYpd...eature=related

part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buDXe...eature=related

part 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsBjO...eature=related

thanks Sun.. dang hope we get it soon.. I'm still hoping someone will ask for a transcript of the depo's.. Hope the media files a motion for the video of casey when Caylee's remains were found.. I don't know if they have yet.. I want to see that dang video... lol

[Sun]

Here are some links (thanks desmom) for the August 14th Jail Video Visitation (I corrected my links)

Part 1.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCpCinUYFwY&feature=related
Part 2.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYYpdaTK7KQ&feature=related
Part 3.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buDXeaNLJRA&feature=related
Part 4.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsBjOZuGyx8&feature=related

[happygert]

Here are some links (thanks desmom) for the August 14th Jail Video Visitation (I corrected my links)

Part 1.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCpCinUYFwY&feature=related
Part 2.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYYpdaTK7KQ&feature=related
Part 3.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buDXeaNLJRA&feature=related
Part 4.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsBjOZuGyx8&feature=related

Thanks.. Sorry I quoted you before you could edit..

[kakax]

Here are some links (thanks desmom) for the August 14th Jail Video Visitation (I corrected my links)

Part 1.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCpCinUYFwY&feature=related
Part 2.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYYpdaTK7KQ&feature=related
Part 3.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buDXeaNLJRA&feature=related
Part 4.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsBjOZuGyx8&feature=related

I can't listen to these again. I just clicked on the first link and it is SICKENING to listen to all of them just talking about how they are doing. Nothing about how Caylee might be doing. Not a word. Lee is getting sick. Dad's blown up at the media. Casey had to read some of the stuff that has been online and it was very upsetting.

[Sun]

thanks Sun.. dang hope we get it soon.. I'm still hoping someone will ask for a transcript of the depo's.. Hope the media files a motion for the video of casey when Caylee's remains were found.. I don't know if they have yet.. I want to see that dang video... lol

Ah, the jail video taken on Dec 11th. I can almost visualize it, through Unser and Richardson's interviews/depos. They were both descriptive, though from two different viewpoints. I got the impression that Casey may have struggled against her restraints.. perhaps wanting to put her hands to her face/to stroke her hair. But the restraints would have prevented her from doing this, so instead she bent over to hide her face in her lap. I suspect that the video would show that Casey was feeling very angry.

[margaritaville]

happygert
Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dells
No. They could try to create reasonable doubt by attacking the evidence. They have already started that to some extent by claiming that some of the evidence is "junk science". I don't think that will fly because there is just too much evidence that points right to Casey.

Dells ITA with you no way can they point the finger to anyone else..Way TOO much evidence pointing to casey.. I don't care how the defense and the As try to spin it .. It just keeps coming right back to casey..Now with all the delays the defense has asked for and gotten more solid evidence points to her.. The State will have all their ducks in a row while the defense is still trying to catch theirs...

No way can they explain away the 31 days not reporting Caylee missing,
The smell of the car.. the dogs hitting on the trunk, playhouse area, sand box and around pool in the A's yard.. those just cant be explained away..Nor can where Caylee's little bones were found.

Im still waiting on the rest of duct tape evidence.. I have this feeling casey's prints or dna is on that tape.. they said whos was not there cindys, george's or lee's.. But they never said one word about casey's not being there..

The maggot evidence will also be the nail in casey's coffin so to speak.. IMO the dna from the maggots will show 100% that Caylee's body was in that trunk..
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Moved over from last nights thread!

Love this post btw....

Quick question about my bold:

Do you think the defense knows these results yet?

MOO

[Sun]

I've not yet seen the test results from the maggot/pupua evidence yet, but IIRC I saw where that stuff was forwarded to the FBI from the Tennessee Lab. I think that at one time, Baez made a fuss because he believed that he should have been shown that stuff when he was allowed access to the car for inspection. (i.e. the contents of the retrieved bag was shown to Baez.... just not the bag or the maggots/pupua). Those items had already been sent away for testing.

[happygert]

happygert
Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 5,736

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dells
No. They could try to create reasonable doubt by attacking the evidence. They have already started that to some extent by claiming that some of the evidence is "junk science". I don't think that will fly because there is just too much evidence that points right to Casey.

Dells ITA with you no way can they point the finger to anyone else..Way TOO much evidence pointing to casey.. I don't care how the defense and the As try to spin it .. It just keeps coming right back to casey..Now with all the delays the defense has asked for and gotten more solid evidence points to her.. The State will have all their ducks in a row while the defense is still trying to catch theirs...

No way can they explain away the 31 days not reporting Caylee missing,
The smell of the car.. the dogs hitting on the trunk, playhouse area, sand box and around pool in the A's yard.. those just cant be explained away..Nor can where Caylee's little bones were found.

Im still waiting on the rest of duct tape evidence.. I have this feeling casey's prints or dna is on that tape.. they said whos was not there cindys, george's or lee's.. But they never said one word about casey's not being there..

The maggot evidence will also be the nail in casey's coffin so to speak.. IMO the dna from the maggots will show 100% that Caylee's body was in that trunk..
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Moved over from last nights thread!

Love this post btw....

Quick question about my bold:

Do you think the defense knows these results yet?

MOO

Oh I'm guessing they do.. But that evidence they DO NOT want it out yet.. Also guessing they know exactly what was on that duct tape too..

[Sun]

I still hold out hope that the FBI was able to recover Casey's prints from the duct tape. I saw pics of a few of the duct tape pieces in one of the doc dumps, and that tape was in very poor condition due to exposure to the elements. However I am hopeful, mostly because of the report that was released indicating that George,Cindy and Lee's prints were not found on the tape. (can't see why this was specifically put in a report, unless there were actual prints on the tape to compare to). And, I believe that for one piece of tape we were provided no results for. ....it's been a long time since I reviewed that discovery, and I hope that my memory hasn't failed me.

[margaritaville]

Oh I'm guessing they do.. But that evidence they DO NOT want it out yet.. Also guessing they know exactly what was on that duct tape too..


So when we receive "doc dumps" it is not because the defense just received it? I thought when the defense received something from the prosecution, with in a week or so we would see it...How is JB able to keep results from coming out, other then court hearings?? Just trying to figure out why this hasn't been made public yet. I guess I do not understand how/when we (public) receive the information....

MOO

[kakax]

I still hold out hope that the FBI was able to recover Casey's prints from the duct tape. I saw pics of a few of the duct tape pieces in one of the doc dumps, and that tape was in very poor condition due to exposure to the elements. However I am hopeful, mostly because of the report that was released indicating that George,Cindy and Lee's prints were not found on the tape. (can't see why this was specifically put in a report, unless there were actual prints on the tape to compare to). And, I believe that for one piece of tape we were provided no results for. ....it's been a long time since I reviewed that discovery, and I hope that my memory hasn't failed me.

I have the same memory of it. It stuck out in my mind that there was "absolutely" no mention of whether or not Casey's prints were there. :tonguewag: I hate that word now.

[happygert]

I've not yet seen the test results from the maggot/pupua evidence yet, but IIRC I saw where that stuff was forwarded to the FBI from the Tennessee Lab. I think that at one time, Baez made a fuss because he believed that he should have been shown that stuff when he was allowed access to the car for inspection. (i.e. the contents of the retrieved bag was shown to Baez.... just not the bag or the maggots/pupua). Those items had already been sent away for testing.

Its a bunch of hogwash that baez thought he was entitled to see evidence.. What was the CSI supposed to do hold all evidence until they found a murderer so the defense could look at it before any testing was done? NEVER in my life have I seen such an attorney like jb.. Just like he wanted to be in the crime scene when they were trying to find all of Caylee's remains before she was positively ID'd. That never happens any where.. Then when crime scene was released to them they didn't want in there.. Nope they couldn't hide things the LE already got everything..

Another thing that really burns my butt is when Caylee's remains were found right down the street from the A's house did they go home? Hell no! They called for an attorney went to the Ritz dined on crab puffs and steak and god knows what else they did.Why would you need an attorney? Oh wait I guess you'd need one if you were guilty of something.. Like helping to cover up the murder of a 2 year old..
To me there actions spoke louder then words.. They knew all along Caylee was dead and where her little body was.. They didn't even bother to contact LE or even try to get close to where her little body was. They didn't even go home for what 3 or 4 days to see what was going on down the street.. If this was my grandchild no one would have been able to keep me from trying to get down there and at least talk to someone on the LE.. I believe the reason for this is because they already knew she thrown away like trash in there.. That's why they sent dc there 3 times to find her before someone else did.. I'll bet he got his a$$ chewed out good by cindy for not finding her..

[kakax]

So when we receive "doc dumps" it is not because the defense just received it? I thought when the defense received something from the prosecution, with in a week or so we would see it...How is JB able to keep results from coming out, other then court hearings?? Just trying to figure out why this hasn't been made public yet. I guess I do not understand how/when we (public) receive the information....

MOO

I don't think he is able to keep it out of the media unless he files a specific motion. The defense gets it first, then the media. The only thing that I have read is that if the evidence is still part of the ongoing investigation, the state will not release it. That could account for A LOT.

[Sun]

So when we receive "doc dumps" it is not because the defense just received it? I thought when the defense received something from the prosecution, with in a week or so we would see it...How is JB able to keep results from coming out, other then court hearings?? Just trying to figure out why this hasn't been made public yet. I guess I do not understand how/when we (public) receive the information....

MOO

If certain pieces of evidence are still involved with an ongoing investigation, then I suspect that the State doesn't have to "officially" make them available to the defense through the normal Discovery process. I don't fully understand all the rules for Discovery or the exceptions allowed. Perhaps certain hard evidence that is highly incriminating to Casey would be shielded (so as to make it possible to sit an impartial jury). I just don't know.

[margaritaville]

I don't think he is able to keep it out of the media unless he files a specific motion. The defense gets it first, then the media. The only thing that I have read is that if the evidence is still part of the ongoing investigation, the state will not release it. That could account for A LOT.


Ahhh okay, Thank you!! That makes sense....

MOO

[breezie]

Seems to me that the sunshine laws do not apply to the FBI documents. They are the ones that did a lot of the testing that we have not seen. Something about preliminary results in an ongoing investigation. In several hearings, the State said they did not have final reports and that Jose could ask for them his widdle fat lazy self.

[happygert]

So when we receive "doc dumps" it is not because the defense just received it? I thought when the defense received something from the prosecution, with in a week or so we would see it...How is JB able to keep results from coming out, other then court hearings?? Just trying to figure out why this hasn't been made public yet. I guess I do not understand how/when we (public) receive the information....

MOO

IMO jb knows what the evidence shows.. However he may not have requested that information formally yet. or gotten it yet... IMO word of mouth.. when they send written reports from who ever did the testing then it's released to us.. does that make sense to you?.
.IMO the state will keep that evidence out of public eye for as long as possible so jb and company will not be screaming louder for cov because of the prejudicial nature of that evidence..

[kakax]

If certain pieces of evidence are still involved with an ongoing investigation, then I suspect that the State doesn't have to "officially" make them available to the defense through the normal Discovery process. I don't fully understand all the rules for Discovery or the exceptions allowed. Perhaps certain hard evidence that is highly incriminating to Casey would be shielded (so as to make it possible to sit an impartial jury). I just don't know.

Isn't this what happened with the motion to not release the jail video? Judge Strickland said that it was highly prejudicial so they weren't released. Am I remembering this right?

[happygert]

If certain pieces of evidence are still involved with an ongoing investigation, then I suspect that the State doesn't have to "officially" make them available to the defense through the normal Discovery process. I don't fully understand all the rules for Discovery or the exceptions allowed. Perhaps certain hard evidence that is highly incriminating to Casey would be shielded (so as to make it possible to sit an impartial jury). I just don't know.

ITA and IMO they state will hold off as long as possible on getting those reports..for that very reason..

[happygert]

Isn't this what happened with the motion to not release the jail video? Judge Strickland said that it was highly prejudicial so they weren't released. Am I remembering this right?

Yes you are.. However Judge Strickland said he was holding off until media could file a motion and be heard on that.Because no one notified the media about it... I dont recall if they've ever filed a motion on that yet.. Hopefully they do..

[apothecary]

Oh I'm guessing they do.. But that evidence they DO NOT want it out yet.. Also guessing they know exactly what was on that duct tape too..
There must be some results about the maggot evidence because I think the grave wax was found on paper towels in that same bag.

[happygert]

There must be some results about the maggot evidence because I think the grave wax was found on paper towels in that same bag.

Yes I think you're right.. and I'm guessing the maggot evidence will be kept out of public eye as long as possible..

[desmom]

I don't think he is able to keep it out of the media unless he files a specific motion. The defense gets it first, then the media. The only thing that I have read is that if the evidence is still part of the ongoing investigation, the state will not release it. That could account for A LOT.

From the Guide for Law Enforcement:

Except in limited circumstances, records which have been given or are required to be given to the person arrested cannot be withheld from public inspection as criminal investigative or intelligence information. In other words, once the material has been made available to the defendant as part of the discovery process in a criminal proceeding, the material is ordinarily no longer considered to be exempt criminal investigative or criminal intelligence information......

The only circumstances where criminal intelligence or investigative information can retain that status even though it has been made available to the defendant are:
1) If the information would reveal the identity of a victim of a sexual offense or child abuse pursuant to s. 119.071(2)(h), F.S.; or
2) If a court order has been issued finding that release of the information prior to trial would:
a) be defamatory to the good name of a victim or witness or jeopardize the safety of a victim or
witness; and
b) impair the ability of a state attorney to locate or prosecute a codefendant.

http://myfloridalegal.com/pages.nsf/main/88e69acfa331282f85256cc60075759e!OpenDocument click on "Download the Guide for Law Enforcement in Acrobat Format". The page numbers at the top of this are a bit odd. Using the page numbers printed on the documents, the above is from page numbers 36 - 37.

[sydney]

glad to see the "day shift" is here. good morning everyone.

perhaps, if things stay as quiet as they have done lately, a cov may not be necessary. the less the a's/baez/press puts out on this case, the better. people will eventually lose interest until the trial, and that would help impanel a jury. i think ms lyons fine hand may be behind toning things down and discouraging both the a's and baez' contact with the media, a herculean feat, in my opinion. perhaps she finally convinced all of them that they are only hurting kc's defense by continually speaking out, putting their spin on things and denying the evidence against her.

since the trial isn't until next year sometime, perhaps the cov would be deemed premature. not sure (will defer to kat or lapis)

anyhow, the lull in the goings-on will allow me to read/re-read what's already been put out there.

[apothecary]

Isn't it a stroke of luck that the towyard guy threw that maggot bag in the dumpster,because if Cindy had been able to get a hold of it,it would have been gone.

[kakax]

I was just looking at the images of the trash found in Casey's car that were just released. That was the cleanest trash I have ever seen rofl! How you can say those items would create a horrible smell in the car is ridiculous! Oh yea, I forgot, that is why she created the squirrel story.

[apothecary]

I was just looking at the images of the trash found in Casey's car that were just released. That was the cleanest trash I have ever seen rofl! How you can say those items would create a horrible smell in the car is ridiculous! Oh yea, I forgot, that is why she created the squirrel story.
The real smelly stuff was the clothes that probably spent more time near or with Caylee's body than that bag of garbage.Cindy took care of the clothes and did not get a chance to get at the garbage bag.

[desmom]

I was just looking at the images of the trash found in Casey's car that were just released. That was the cleanest trash I have ever seen rofl! How you can say those items would create a horrible smell in the car is ridiculous! Oh yea, I forgot, that is why she created the squirrel story.

I thought the same thing about clean trash when I saw it. Then I remembered this was trash from the apartment of college kids. :lol:

Casey should have stole Cindy & George's trash. It would probably have had some type of raw meat wrapper in it. jmo

[ish]

This was discussed on last nights board and I'd like to get some more input from today's posters. All the stories told to LE by Cindy about what Casey told her had been going on over the prior thirty days, Jeff, Zachary, the car accident,the Hard Rock Cafe, Tampa, Jacksonville, Jeff's mom's wedding, her cancer blah, blah, Is there anything in the texts Casey sent her mom in that time frame that reference those stories? Cindy said she was in contact everyday with Casey, the phone records don't really show that. There seemed to be very few phone calls that took place, most were texts or direct to voice mail calls. When exactly did Casey tell these tales to Cindy? We know Cindy did tell her coworkers about Jeff and I think a few other tales (which they thought were BS). I'm beginning to suspect Cindy may have created the whole scenario to explain Casey's absence. It would take a series of long calls to explain all these circumstances and situations and I don't see any calls of that length between Cindy and Casey. I don't see Casey telling LE any of those stories either. She mentions Jeff as a coworker who introduced Zanny to Casey, never says she was dating him and thinking about moving in with him and Zachary.

Does anyone have any thoughts or theories on this? I'd love to read them.

[Sun]

Isn't it a stroke of luck that the towyard guy threw that maggot bag in the dumpster,because if Cindy had been able to get a hold of it,it would have been gone.

That is one piece of possible incriminating evidence that Cindy was prevented from destroyed. Cindy is probably furious at George for allowing the towyard fellow to remove it from the trunk. Or she will be, if it contained incriminating evidence that will be used to help convict Casey.

[sydney]

The real smelly stuff was the clothes that probably spent more time near or with Caylee's body than that bag of garbage.Cindy took care of the clothes and did not get a chance to get at the garbage bag.

were the extra clothes kc took for caylee ever found? remember, cindy said kc always had a backpack with a couple of changes of clothing in it for caylee.

[kakax]

I thought the same thing about clean trash when I saw it. Then I remembered this was trash from the apartment of college kids. :lol:

Casey should have stole Cindy & George's trash. It would probably have had some type of raw meat wrapper in it. jmo

Thank goodness you are smarter than Casey!

[sydney]

This was discussed on last nights board and I'd like to get some more input from today's posters. All the stories told to LE by Cindy about what Casey told her had been going on over the prior thirty days, Jeff, Zachary, the car accident,the Hard Rock Cafe, Tampa, Jacksonville, Jeff's mom's wedding, her cancer blah, blah, Is there anything in the texts Casey sent her mom in that time frame that reference those stories? Cindy said she was in contact everyday with Casey, the phone records don't really show that. There seemed to be very few phone calls that took place, most were texts or direct to voice mail calls. When exactly did Casey tell these tales to Cindy? We know Cindy did tell her coworkers about Jeff and I think a few other tales (which they thought were BS). I'm beginning to suspect Cindy may have created the whole scenario to explain Casey's absence. It would take a series of long calls to explain all these circumstances and situations and I don't see any calls of that length between Cindy and Casey. I don't see Casey telling LE any of those stories either. She mentions Jeff as a coworker who introduced Zanny to Casey, never says she was dating him and thinking about moving in with him and Zachary.

Does anyone have any thoughts or theories on this? I'd love to read them.

hey, ish! great question. if CINDY made up all these stories, that would show where kc got her vivid imagination from. cindy also said that she spoke to kc's non-existent boss at universal, too. she got the name wrong, iirc. it was different than the one kc gave le.

do you think that they cooked up these things between the first and last 911 calls and waiting for the police to come?

[Sun]

This was discussed on last nights board and I'd like to get some more input from today's posters. All the stories told to LE by Cindy about what Casey told her had been going on over the prior thirty days, Jeff, Zachary, the car accident,the Hard Rock Cafe, Tampa, Jacksonville, Jeff's mom's wedding, her cancer blah, blah, Is there anything in the texts Casey sent her mom in that time frame that reference those stories? Cindy said she was in contact everyday with Casey, the phone records don't really show that. There seemed to be very few phone calls that took place, most were texts or direct to voice mail calls. When exactly did Casey tell these tales to Cindy? We know Cindy did tell her coworkers about Jeff and I think a few other tales (which they thought were BS). I'm beginning to suspect Cindy may have created the whole scenario to explain Casey's absence. It would take a series of long calls to explain all these circumstances and situations and I don't see any calls of that length between Cindy and Casey. I don't see Casey telling LE any of those stories either. She mentions Jeff as a coworker who introduced Zanny to Casey, never says she was dating him and thinking about moving in with him and Zachary.

Does anyone have any thoughts or theories on this? I'd love to read them.

I have had doubts about who the author might be, for some of the "stories" that Cindy has told. The JBP version for one. Casey never told any of her friends about Zanny being in an accident or being hospitalized. Could Cindy have made that part up? Casey did tell her friends that Caylee was with Zanny at various parks, etc.

[Sun]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKT-w-s-Po0&feature=quicklist&playnext=10&playnext_from=QL

Lieutenant Tammy Uncer/LE Interview Dec 11th... the audio.

[ish]

Isn't it a stroke of luck that the towyard guy threw that maggot bag in the dumpster,because if Cindy had been able to get a hold of it,it would have been gone.

I loved the tow truck guy, running to the business in his PJ's and flip flops, so anxious to retrieve that maggotty bag. This is a guy who just wants to do the right thing, cause a little girl is missing and maybe that bag can help find her, and he jumps into that dumpster frantically looking for it. He just seems like a sweetheart of a guy.:thumbsup: for Simon Burch:thumbsup:

[margaritaville]

I thought the same thing about clean trash when I saw it. Then I remembered this was trash from the apartment of college kids. :lol:

Casey should have stole Cindy & George's trash. It would probably have had some type of raw meat wrapper in it. jmo

I remember hearing long ago some made a statement about there being meat in the trash from her trunk.....anyone else remember this?
I can't remember who said it but I am thinking it was not a family member..JB maybe??..(guess we know that was a lie as well)
moo

[ish]

hey, ish! great question. if CINDY made up all these stories, that would show where kc got her vivid imagination from. cindy also said that she spoke to kc's non-existent boss at universal, too. she got the name wrong, iirc. it was different than the one kc gave le.

do you think that they cooked up these things between the first and last 911 calls and waiting for the police to come?

But if Cindy made them up, wouldn't there be some reaction from Casey, perhaps on the jail visit tapes, of Casey saying "hey Mom what's with the BS stories, you're making things worse for me". There has to be some collusion between Casey and Cindy, sometime when these tales were either created together or told to Cindy and believed by her. There was just so much deceit in the family for such a long time, it's mind blowing.

[martha]

Good morning everyone, I hope you or all having a very good day and i just wanted to check and see if we had anything new on this case. Guess not but you can bet I will be checking in all the time. Hoping something will break. Or we might get some news on this case. I need to just take it easy and wait until trial time.ha, I want justice for CAYLEE just like all of you do. Maybe one day we will get that if they don;t come up with something to get casey out of this. I get so scared everytime I think of her getting away with killing CAYLEE. all of you have a wonderful day.jmho:wub:

[ish]

I remember hearing long ago some made a statement about there being meat in the trash from her trunk.....anyone else remember this?I can't remember who said it but I am thinking it was not a family member..JB maybe??..(guess we know that was a lie as well)
moo

That was the famous Henry Lee, he stated there was ham and cheese in the garbage and it was rotting. In actuality, there were WRAPPERS from packages of ham and cheese, no actual food. But hey, he gave it a good try.:rolleyes:

[apothecary]

I loved the tow truck guy, running to the business in his PJ's and flip flops, so anxious to retrieve that maggotty bag. This is a guy who just wants to do the right thing, cause a little girl is missing and maybe that bag can help find her, and he jumps into that dumpster frantically looking for it. He just seems like a sweetheart of a guy.:thumbsup: for Simon Burch:thumbsup:
He may have realized the importance of the bag later on when he got home or thought it over later.Cindy can be overpowering and distracting and he may not have thought of a crime occuring at the time the A's were at the towyard.Later on comparing notes and thinking about it he probably realized that the bag may have been significant.I wonder if they did call the police because how would LE know to retrieve it from the dumpster before he did.

[margaritaville]

But if Cindy made them up, wouldn't there be some reaction from Casey, perhaps on the jail visit tapes, of Casey saying "hey Mom what's with the BS stories, you're making things worse for me". There has to be some collusion between Casey and Cindy, sometime when these tales were either created together or told to Cindy and believed by her. There was just so much deceit in the family for such a long time, it's mind blowing.

Remember during one of the jail visits Cindy told Casey we forgive you for anything you have said..And Casey replied "Don't worry, i haven't said anything"

Maybe that was Cindy's "code speak" of asking Casey if she will go along with Cindy's "plan" and Casey replying not to worry she won't say anything......Gave Cindy the okay to spin her tale to LE,FBI and the media...And she did it with out fear that Casey will go against it....

MOO

[Sun]

But if Cindy made them up, wouldn't there be some reaction from Casey, perhaps on the jail visit tapes, of Casey saying "hey Mom what's with the BS stories, you're making things worse for me". There has to be some collusion between Casey and Cindy, sometime when these tales were either created together or told to Cindy and believed by her. There was just so much deceit in the family for such a long time, it's mind blowing.

Cindy and Casey do appear to have a relationship that I just don't understand. It's far from normal. Love/hate. Very destructive. Very unhealthy.

[apothecary]

I remember hearing long ago some made a statement about there being meat in the trash from her trunk.....anyone else remember this?
I can't remember who said it but I am thinking it was not a family member..JB maybe??..(guess we know that was a lie as well)
moo
I think it was Dr Lee.

[margaritaville]

That was the famous Henry Lee, he stated there was ham and cheese in the garbage and it was rotting. In actuality, there were WRAPPERS from packages of ham and cheese, no actual food. But hey, he gave it a good try.:rolleyes:

Yes that was who it was...Thank you!!

[kakax]

That was the famous Henry Lee, he stated there was ham and cheese in the garbage and it was rotting. In actuality, there were WRAPPERS from packages of ham and cheese, no actual food. But hey, he gave it a good try.:rolleyes:

I saw a bologna package. If there is one thing that stays fresh for a long time, it's bologna LOL! That is the most processed meat there could possibly be!

[ish]

He may have realized the importance of the bag later on when he got home or thought it over later.Cindy can be overpowering and distracting and he may not have thought of a crime occuring at the time the A's were at the towyard.Later on comparing notes and thinking about it he probably realized that the bag may have been significant.I wonder if they did call the police because how would LE know to retrieve it from the dumpster before he did.

Simon saw the story on the news, George and CIndy were being interviewed and he recognized them and recalled George talking about not having seen his grand daughter. He hurried to the business to get the bag and when he couldn't locate it he called LE dispatch. They were familiar with him cause of his towing business and put him in touch with Melich. While he is standing in the dumpster looking for the bag and explaining the story to Melich, Melich tells him, we have the bag, George Anthony told us the story and we came down to the towyard at night and retrieved it. Poor guy had to go home and take a long hot shower!!!

[kakax]

Simon saw the story on the news, George and CIndy were being interviewed and he recognized them and recalled George talking about not having seen his grand daughter. He hurried to the business to get the bag and when he couldn't locate it he called LE dispatch. They were familiar with him cause of his towing business and put him in touch with Melich. While he is standing in the dumpster looking for the bag and explaining the story to Melich, Melich tells him, we have the bag, George Anthony told us the story and we came down to the towyard at night and retrieved it. Poor guy had to go home and take a long hot shower!!!

He needs a big standing ovation! He was the only one willing to risk his dignity to help this case!!!! No fear of snakes, smells, how he looked....he just jumped to what he thought was right!

[margaritaville]

Simon saw the story on the news, George and CIndy were being interviewed and he recognized them and recalled George talking about not having seen his grand daughter. He hurried to the business to get the bag and when he couldn't locate it he called LE dispatch. They were familiar with him cause of his towing business and put him in touch with Melich. While he is standing in the dumpster looking for the bag and explaining the story to Melich, Melich tells him, we have the bag, George Anthony told us the story and we came down to the towyard at night and retrieved it. Poor guy had to go home and take a long hot shower!!!

Ya know..How many people do you know that would dumster dive to try and find a bag of garbage and not just call the police and tell them you threw a bag away from the trunk and it is located in the dumpster? I can't name many......That takes a really cool guy to do that!!

MOO
He is

[kakax]

One thing I like seeing is it seems like LE and the SA's office are being throrough. They tracked Tone, Jesse, and Casey's cell phone pings. Wonder if they tracked George and Cindy's too.
I like that they are using technology for the crime scene as well. Makes it more real to me. It is very easy to see how low the area where Caylee was found and how quickly it could fill with water. Also very interesting to see where each piece of evidence was found. This is going to make it very hard for the defense to attack the time line, IMO.

[Sun]

He needs a big standing ovation! He was the only one willing to risk his dignity to help this case!!!! No fear of snakes, smells, how he looked....he just jumped to what he thought was right!

Hey, towyards fellow can be upstanding guys. I expect most of them aren't squeamish when it comes to getting dirty/grungy either. It was quite telling that he contacted LE, and not George or Cindy. Good for him! He thought that perhaps a crime had been committed. And probably felt that Caylee wasn't alive, and that the bag may have contained evidence of that.

[kakax]

My kids are back in school, so it is giving me some time to catch up on the case. Did anything ever come of the videos being released of Casey at Amscott?

Didn't the media say she was seen at the Amscott after the 27th when she dumped the car? Anyone know if there was truth to that and how many times she went back to the Amscott to check the car?

[sydney]

But if Cindy made them up, wouldn't there be some reaction from Casey, perhaps on the jail visit tapes, of Casey saying "hey Mom what's with the BS stories, you're making things worse for me". There has to be some collusion between Casey and Cindy, sometime when these tales were either created together or told to Cindy and believed by her. There was just so much deceit in the family for such a long time, it's mind blowing.

(bold is mine)

totally agree there. if cindy is to be believed, these things were mentioned/discussed a long time prior to caylee being missing - for example, the zanny thing was allegedly talked about for 3 years prior to caylee being missing. ga, on the other hand, said he only heard that name for about a year prior. then there is lee who said he never heard about a nanny.

[desmom]

That was the famous Henry Lee, he stated there was ham and cheese in the garbage and it was rotting. In actuality, there were WRAPPERS from packages of ham and cheese, no actual food. But hey, he gave it a good try.:rolleyes:

Yep on Nancy Grace's November 17, 2008 show: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0811/17/ng.01.html

GRACE: I know. I've been missing you, Dr. Lee. It's nice to hear your voice. So did the car still stink to high heaven when you examined it?

LEE: Yes, when I examine the car, it still have the odor.

GRACE: Now, Dr. Lee, your testimony has been extremely impressive in the past. No one will ever forget the various demonstrations that you have done in high-profile court cases. When you say it smelled, is it true the car smells of decomposition?

LEE: The smell -- actually, it's a rotten smell. It's caused by any type of decomposition. The definition of decomposition, anything. It can be any food material. Can be human body. Can be any type of thing, decomposition. So the terms decomposed, human body odor, I don't think any scientist can qualify to say -- just smell the odor, say that's a human body.

GRACE: Well, Dr. Henry Lee -- everyone, with us, he is on the Anthony defense team -- I know that you have the highest regard for the Oak Ridge Laboratories in Tennessee. I trained there myself for a period of time. According to them, and their -- their specialty unit, the "body farm," there was evidence of human decomposition. Would that be consistent with the smell that you smelled, Dr. Henry Lee?

LEE: Here, that's -- you know, I'm a scientist. I only can address some scientific issue. I cannot speculate. Decomposition, because the trunk -- don't forget, I looked at not only the car. Also looked at the liner, the carpet. Also looked at the content of the material. And I don't know anybody informed me or not -- there are a lot of garbage was collected. A lot of material was collected from the trunk.

GRACE: Like what?

LEE: Like what? Like food, like meat, like pizza box, like cheese, like ham, box (ph) of soda, and all different material in there. So basically, a lot of maggots and a lot of insects, all kind of material mixed together. So I cannot really elaborate too much on what I found because this is an active case. I cannot really reach a conclusion at this moment.

and after the break:

GRACE: Dr. Henry Lee, you stated that there was a lot of garbage in the car. Did I understand you correctly to say meat and cheese were in the car?

LEE: Box of -- you know, those (Inaudible) frozen foods. So have some food residue there. But we did find a lot of maggots, insect activity and fungus growing. But you know, it's a lot of (Inaudible) information have to digest before we reach any conclusion.

GRACE: And Dr. Lee, you said frozen food? Such as what?

LEE: Frozen food boxes. You know, those packages.

GRACE: Frozen food boxes. Was there food inside of it?

LEE: Well, because right now, I can't really say too much about what we looked at, what we found, OK?

[Deannalynn]

Here are some links (thanks desmom) for the August 14th Jail Video Visitation (I corrected my links)

Part 1.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCpCinUYFwY&feature=relatedPart 2.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYYpdaTK7KQ&feature=related
Part 3.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buDXeaNLJRA&feature=related
Part 4.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsBjOZuGyx8&feature=related

"No one understands." "MY entire life has been taken from me."
"I know what everybody wants. They want Caylee back. "er, so do I.":rolleyes:

Okay Casey.:thumbdown:

I did notice George and Cindy didn't give her a word in edgewise. George kept talking over her. It would have been nice if they would keep their mouths shut and let Casey (possibly) slip and say something.

[Sun]

My kids are back in school, so it is giving me some time to catch up on the case. Did anything ever come of the videos being released of Casey at Amscott?

Didn't the media say she was seen at the Amscott after the 27th when she dumped the car? Anyone know if there was truth to that and how many times she went back to the Amscott to check the car?

I'm told that Casey's cell phone pings place her in the area of the Amscot sometime around the afternoon of June 30th (the car had been towed earlier that morning). Casey had Amy purchase a gas can earlier on June 30th.

[Sun]

Good find desmom! Dr. Henry Lee sure didn't sound overly confident in that interview with NG. Seems to me that he was attempting to "leak" information to the public, by inspecting the car and then going on NG to talk about it. Can't be a good thing.

[ish]

(bold is mine)

totally agree there. if cindy is to be believed, these things were mentioned/discussed a long time prior to caylee being missing - for example, the zanny thing was allegedly talked about for 3 years prior to caylee being missing. ga, on the other hand, said he only heard that name for about a year prior. then there is lee who said he never heard about a nanny.

The more I ponder this, the more I think Cindy just took the whole kitchen sink of BS Casey had been feeding her from the time Caylee was born till July 15th and just threw it out there as if were recent history.

[kakax]

Thanks, Desmom! Incredible you got that so quickly!

[kakax]

I'm told that Casey's cell phone pings place her in the area of the Amscot sometime around the afternoon of June 30th (the car had been towed earlier that morning). Casey had Amy purchase a gas can earlier on June 30th.

So no video was ever released then. Wonder if that was just a rumor that LE had that or if that is something that is still being withheld.

[Scampi]

Good morning everyone. Thank you Des and Sun for all of your great links.

I am still stunned at henry (ketchup) Lee's characterization of the
trash found in casey's car. Could he have been anymore misleading?
This is why many people are so disgusted with him, he has totally lost
all credibility, imo.

I have been thinking about the adipocere (grave wax) found on those
paper towells and on the carpet of the trunk. This bit of evidence may just well seal casey's fate. As far as I can determine thru google, dna can be extracted from the fatty acid of an adipocere sample.

That test result is going to be very interesting reading.

[jammies]

I loved the tow truck guy, running to the business in his PJ's and flip flops, so anxious to retrieve that maggotty bag. This is a guy who just wants to do the right thing, cause a little girl is missing and maybe that bag can help find her, and he jumps into that dumpster frantically looking for it. He just seems like a sweetheart of a guy.:thumbsup: for Simon Burch:thumbsup:



My heart was POUNDING when I read his story. I could FEEL his panic. I'll never forget it. Love the tow guy. :wub:

ETA, odd how HIS behavior was so much more appropriate for the situation than the A's.

[kakax]

The more I ponder this, the more I think Cindy just took the whole kitchen sink of BS Casey had been feeding her from the time Caylee was born till July 15th and just threw it out there as if were recent history.

I so agree with this! Just whatever came to her mind that Casey had told her.

Over the years Cindy had supposedly heard about Zanny, there were only a few times her name had been brought up.

I just saw the statement of what Cindy said about her recollections of Zanny. It sounded like it was just stream of conciousness. The story about the hair straightener made her think about the story about Zanny taking videos of Caylee.... Caylee saying she had seen a puppy.

No way Cindy and George actually believed she had a Nanny. They just turned their heads to her lies.

I saw the discussions last night about how Casey fooled people. I really don't think she fooled many. Think back to Lauren, who kept Casey until she realized Casey didn't work and she was watching Caylee for nothing. Most of the people in her life actively were newly acquired friends.

[crimeq]

I can't listen to these again. I just clicked on the first link and it is SICKENING to listen to all of them just talking about how they are doing. Nothing about how Caylee might be doing. Not a word. Lee is getting sick. Dad's blown up at the media. Casey had to read some of the stuff that has been online and it was very upsetting.

Red mine. I'm sure Casey is reading via Jose's laptop but don't recall if we ever got confirmation about whether or not that is supposed to be happening. Does anyone remember anything specific about that?

[Sun]

So no video was ever released then. Wonder if that was just a rumor that LE had that or if that is something that is still being withheld.

It could have just been media hype, or a rumor, ....but I've not seen anything released by the State on this.

Anthony Lazzaro's testimony will place Casey at the car there at the Amscot on June 27th. And, didn't Casey also tell LE that she ran out of gas and left the car at the Amscot. I'm confident that there is a good trail of evidence that shows possession of the car, who had it and when, up until LE impounded it. I imagine that the defense will try to say that several people had access to the car, in order to hope to provide doubt that the incriminating evidence found in it can be pinned on Casey.

Cindy already wanted the info out there that Jesse had a key, but he denies this. Does anyone recall if Jesse admitted that Casey had called and told him about the car running out of gas at the Amscot?

[kakax]

Good morning everyone. Thank you Des and Sun for all of your great links.

I am still stunned at henry (ketchup) Lee's characterization of the
trash found in casey's car. Could he have been anymore misleading?
This is why many people are so disgusted with him, he has totally lost
all credibility, imo.

I have been thinking about the adipocere (grave wax) found on those
paper towells and on the carpet of the trunk. This bit of evidence may just well seal casey's fate. As far as I can determine thru google, dna can be extracted from the fatty acid of an adipocere sample.

That test result is going to be very interesting reading.

Morning, Scamp!

Exactly! Too many things attached to that trunk that lead to human decomposition to explain away! Caylee's human decomposition in a car that no one else had even riden in in those weeks. Casey would have been better off if she had said her car had been highjacked with Caylee in it. She didn't count on the events of decomposition in the hot Florida sun when she made up her story.

I really don't think Casey could decide what her story would be. That's why we have such an unbelievable one. When Cindy was questioning Casey the night of the 15th, she asked does the Nanny have her? Casey was like "yeah, yeah, that's it".

[Deannalynn]

The more I ponder this, the more I think Cindy just took the whole kitchen sink of BS Casey had been feeding her from the time Caylee was born till July 15th and just threw it out there as if were recent history.

There was no Zanny mentioned a year prior! (Liars) For a family who has been running around over a year telling everyone who will listen just how much Caylee meant to all of them, it sure is a crock of BS when none of them really know anything about her whereabouts when she was with Casey. Who took care of her, who she spent the night with or where Casey had her when she didn't come home.
The infamous Zanny never had the need to call over there for anything.
That is so not true in the real world. We as mothers who have worked and had a regular sitter know there was always sometime for some reason the sitter would call. Whether it be our children were not feeling well, simply leaving something behind or something. I wonder if Casey always had Caylee's car seat in the back of her car. I wonder if Casey ever had to take it out for Zanny because they were going somewhere.
Supposedly she went on vacations with her and to the park, etc.
Did Cindy have a car seat in the back of her car for Caylee or did Casey have to take it out for her when she took Caylee anywhere.:confused:

[Sun]

Red mine. I'm sure Casey is reading via Jose's laptop but don't recall if we ever got confirmation about whether or not that is supposed to be happening. Does anyone remember anything specific about that?

Baez would be able to show Casey things off his PC, by just saying that they were working on her case. I do remember reading that Casey would not be "allowed to use" the PC.... I took this to be that maybe she can view/read, but it's hands off the keyboard.

[kakax]

Red mine. I'm sure Casey is reading via Jose's laptop but don't recall if we ever got confirmation about whether or not that is supposed to be happening. Does anyone remember anything specific about that?

This particular time she was able to see what people were writing about her was from copies that some woman sent to the jail. Casey said they were along with some positive comments supporting her.

No doubt Jose has shown her stuff, too.

[Scampi]

My heart was POUNDING when I read his story. I could FEEL his panic. I'll never forget it. Love the tow guy. :wub:

ETA, odd how HIS behavior was so much more appropriate for the situation than the A's.

Hiya Jam!! Good point about Simon Burk's emotional response compared to the anthonys.

Also interesting is that apparently according to reports, cindy skipped back to the tow yard to go over Mr. Burk's account of his story. IMO, attempting to tamper with this witness.

[msgatorslayer]

G'morning, everyone!

George also let it outta the bag that he and Cindy babysat Caylee, IIRC, 99% of the time.

IMO, the other 1%, when they didn't, is when Casey took Caylee with her to a party.

Co-workers of Cindy have even said that Casey dropped Caylee off to her at work at times.

Cindy's poem says alot to. She didn't believe her Daughter had anything. No money. No job. And who's watching after Caylee now? {Where is that Zanny who has been watching her for 3 years, Cindy. }

[sydney]

The more I ponder this, the more I think Cindy just took the whole kitchen sink of BS Casey had been feeding her from the time Caylee was born till July 15th and just threw it out there as if were recent history.

well, it woulda been better if she had told the whole fam, dontcha think?

they contradicted each other which looked bad, to say the least.

[Scampi]

Morning, Scamp!

Exactly! Too many things attached to that trunk that lead to human decomposition to explain away! Caylee's human decomposition in a car that no one else had even riden in in those weeks. Casey would have been better off if she had said her car had been highjacked with Caylee in it. She didn't count on the events of decomposition in the hot Florida sun when she made up her story.

I really don't think Casey could decide what her story would be. That's why we have such an unbelievable one. When Cindy was questioning Casey the night of the 15th, she asked does the Nanny have her? Casey was like "yeah, yeah, that's it".

Great to see you Ka!!! I agree with you, casey had one thing and one thing only on her mind during those 31 days: Anthony Lazarro. No
thought whatsoever of her cover story until cindy got ahold of her and threw her the lifeline tale of Zany the nanny.

imo

[margaritaville]

It could have just been media hype, or a rumor, ....but I've not seen anything released by the State on this.

Anthony Lazzaro's testimony will place Casey at the car there at the Amscot on June 27th. And, didn't Casey also tell LE that she ran out of gas and left the car at the Amscot. I'm confident that there is a good trail of evidence that shows possession of the car, who had it and when, up until LE impounded it. I imagine that the defense will try to say that several people had access to the car, in order to hope to provide doubt that the incriminating evidence found in it can be pinned on Casey.

Cindy already wanted the info out there that Jesse had a key, but he denies this. Does anyone recall if Jesse admitted that Casey had called and told him about the car running out of gas at the Amscot?

But of course Cindy would say he had a key to the house... Casey told Cindy Zanny had one.. In Cindy's mind Jesse is Zanni so of course he would have a key...right?:cursing: The Anthony's really pizz me off....

[sydney]

The infamous Zanny never had the need to call over there for anything.
That is so not true in the real world. We as mothers who have worked and had a regular sitter know there was always sometime for some reason the sitter would call.

(respectfully snipped - bold is mine)

and don't forget - they were BEST BUDS, too! it would seem feasible that invisi-zanny may call the house to locate kc to "hang out".

[kakax]

Great to see you Ka!!! I agree with you, casey had one thing and one thing only on her mind during those 31 days: Anthony Lazarro. No
thought whatsoever of her cover story until cindy got ahold of her and threw her the lifeline tale of Zany the nanny.

imo

Great to see you too!:wub:

And what a horrible life line it was. So unbelievable!

[apothecary]

I think they all take real life experiences and weave their own versions to suit the time.Amy had an accident in May and totalled her car and this may have been the seed for the nanny accident story.Great grampa had a stroke and this became the George stroke incident.There was a video of Caylee reading her book and this became the non phone call from Caylee while she was a prisoner of the non nanny.

[margaritaville]

G'morning, everyone!

George also let it outta the bag that he and Cindy babysat Caylee, IIRC, 99% of the time.

IMO, the other 1%, when they didn't, is when Casey took Caylee with her to a party.

Co-workers of Cindy have even said that Casey dropped Caylee off to her at work at times.

Cindy's poem says alot to. She didn't believe her Daughter had anything. No money. No job. And who's watching after Caylee now? {Where is that Zanny who has been watching her for 3 years, Cindy. }


But according to cindy's depo for ZFG, she says the opposite...

Q. Duyring that time period was it your understanding that your daughter Casey had a job?
CA) yes, it was

Q. Where was she working, to your knowledge, at that point in time?

CA) To my knowlege, Universal Studios and Hard Rock Cafe'


http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5345644/Casey-Anthony-Cindy-Anthony-deposition-in-the-ZFG-civil-case


So I wonder what answer she will give at trial? We have her written facebook that she knew Casey had no money and no job..Then we have her at the depo saying she had 2 jobs??!! WTF Cindy..Does the answers just change depending on who asks them??

[KittyMom]

I'm so ready for this case to go to trial.

Justice for Caylee!!!!!!!!!!

[desmom]

It could have just been media hype, or a rumor, ....but I've not seen anything released by the State on this.

Anthony Lazzaro's testimony will place Casey at the car there at the Amscot on June 27th. And, didn't Casey also tell LE that she ran out of gas and left the car at the Amscot. I'm confident that there is a good trail of evidence that shows possession of the car, who had it and when, up until LE impounded it. I imagine that the defense will try to say that several people had access to the car, in order to hope to provide doubt that the incriminating evidence found in it can be pinned on Casey.

Cindy already wanted the info out there that Jesse had a key, but he denies this. Does anyone recall if Jesse admitted that Casey had called and told him about the car running out of gas at the Amscot?

Media hype imo

Nancy Grace Show April 28, 2009: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/28/ng.01.html

Bombshell tonight. Have secret surveillance photos of tot mom's car emerged? And do they pinpoint the time little Caylee's body may have been removed from tot mom's car trunk-turned-coffin? Tot mom circling and circling, according to police evidence, before dumping that car at a local Amscot, leaving it chock full of personal items, begging to be stolen. Was tot mom trying to set up a would-be car thief for Caylee's murder?

and

NG: Tonight, have secret surveillance photos of an Amscot check cashing parking lot emerged, and do they pinpoint the time tot mom abandoned her car? Air samples from that car trunk definitely prove a human decomposing body had been there.

Out to Leonard Padilla, bounty hunter. He will be under oath in this case. Leonard, what do you make of it? What do you believe we can learn? If there's Amscot surveillance video and these are the photos, what will we learn from it finally?

[msgatorslayer]

But according to cindy's depo for ZFG, she says the opposite...

Q. Duyring that time period was it your understanding that your daughter Casey had a job?
CA) yes, it was

Q. Where was she working, to your knowledge, at that point in time?

CA) To my knowlege, Universal Studios and Hard Rock Cafe'


http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5345644/Casey-Anthony-Cindy-Anthony-deposition-in-the-ZFG-civil-case


So I wonder what answer she will give at trial? We have her written facebook that she knew Casey had no money and no job..Then we have her at the depo saying she had 2 jobs??!! WTF Cindy..Does the answers just change depending on who asks them??

Her answers do change all the time. All these jobs she says Casey had, and yet there is so record of them. It's a big conspiracy.:sneaky:

I really like the one where Casey worked a Super Bowl with her Brother.

[crimeq]

I loved the tow truck guy, running to the business in his PJ's and flip flops, so anxious to retrieve that maggotty bag. This is a guy who just wants to do the right thing, cause a little girl is missing and maybe that bag can help find her, and he jumps into that dumpster frantically looking for it. He just seems like a sweetheart of a guy.:thumbsup: for Simon Burch:thumbsup:

Somehow I missed this part of the story! How amazing that this guy ran back to collect that bag as soon as he recognized its importance. He made a huge impact on the Case Against Casey. :thumbsup:

[msgatorslayer]

I'm so ready for this case to go to trial.

Justice for Caylee!!!!!!!!!!

ITA - Can't wait to see Cindy on the stand. It will be the highlight of the trial. Cindy-ism's galore!!! A hostile witness. Contradicting herself over and over again.

[crimeq]

I remember hearing long ago some made a statement about there being meat in the trash from her trunk.....anyone else remember this?
I can't remember who said it but I am thinking it was not a family member..JB maybe??..(guess we know that was a lie as well)
moo

Bacon, maybe, because wasn't Cindy talking about the closeness in DNA between pigs and humans, and blaming this on the bacon? This is real fuzzy for me but I recall there was something along those lines.

[crimeq]

That was the famous Henry Lee, he stated there was ham and cheese in the garbage and it was rotting. In actuality, there were WRAPPERS from packages of ham and cheese, no actual food. But hey, he gave it a good try.:rolleyes:

ah, ok, ham. that's the source of the pig/human comparison. thanks!

[crimeq]

Remember during one of the jail visits Cindy told Casey we forgive you for anything you have said..And Casey replied "Don't worry, i haven't said anything"

Maybe that was Cindy's "code speak" of asking Casey if she will go along with Cindy's "plan" and Casey replying not to worry she won't say anything......Gave Cindy the okay to spin her tale to LE,FBI and the media...And she did it with out fear that Casey will go against it....

MOO

That "don't worry" is highly significant. Now if only we knew what it meant :wink:

[crimeq]

Ya know..How many people do you know that would dumster dive to try and find a bag of garbage and not just call the police and tell them you threw a bag away from the trunk and it is located in the dumpster? I can't name many......That takes a really cool guy to do that!!
MOO
He is

Someone who really cares ... Caylee didn't have enough of them in her short little life.

[ish]

(respectfully snipped - bold is mine)

and don't forget - they were BEST BUDS, too! it would seem feasible that invisi-zanny may call the house to locate kc to "hang out".

Not necessary, Casey and Zanny communicated on a higher plane than us mortals, Casey merely had to whisper her name 3 times and Zanny would appear. Zanny was like that mystical, magical Nanny played by Juliet Mills in Nanny and the Professor. Except Zanny drove a silver Ford Focus instead of a black 1930 Model A named Arabella. Oh yeah, and Nanny never stole the kids from the professor to "teach him a lesson", (but she did disappear on occasion, LOL).

[jammies]

Hiya Jam!! Good point about Simon Burk's emotional response compared to the anthonys.

Also interesting is that apparently according to reports, cindy skipped back to the tow yard to go over Mr. Burk's account of his story. IMO, attempting to tamper with this witness.



Hey there, Reg. Once again she proves to put Caylee LAST. Also shoring up our suspicion that she already KNEW Caylee was deceased.

[margaritaville]

MrsHudson
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Imperfect4
She didn't find God. She's all into the church as a way to disguise her evilness. She's trying to hide her true character. As usual.

Ain't workin.

As usual.

Whitened sepulchre.

How do we know? She got publicity from being "re-baptized. She's repulsive. __________________________________________________ __________

Moved over from last nights thread...

What is it that the Anthony's are really trying to get from this??
They pick Caylee's birthday to get re-baptized because using that day would give them more publicity than any other day. Everyone that has followed this case was waiting for them to do "something" special for Caylee.....But first they have to put on this demonstration! Why?? It doesn't make them any different then the way they were before, other then wet.
It doesn't take away any of their millions of lies have spoke, fights they started, name calling ect......these are vile people...There isn't enough holy water on this planet to cleanse them.....IMHO......

MOO

[ish]

ITA - Can't wait to see Cindy on the stand. It will be the highlight of the trial. Cindy-ism's galore!!! A hostile witness. Contradicting herself over and over again.

I can see Cindy bringing her own gavel and making objections from the witness stand. Or raising her hand while in the audience asking the judge if she can ask a question. If she's not allowed in the court cause she's a witness, you know she will be standing in the hallway with her Sonic Super Ear 4000 trying to capture every word said in the courtroom.:laugh:

[msgatorslayer]

Sausage. Wasn't it a Sausage Pizza in the box?

Me thinks there was also mushrooms. I recall George saying that the news station didn't do their experiment right, lmao. And two topping were mentioned. Don't forget the hammer. And place it all in a bag. Single wrapped. Not triple. Like Caylee.

Oh, but, there really wasn't ANY pizza. Just a box. What a surprise!! Young adults throwing a pizza away? When Casey was sneaking into her parents home for chicken and popsicles? No, those youngins ate every single piece of pizza and tossed the box.

[Sun]

Not necessary, Casey and Zanny communicated on a higher plane than us mortals, Casey merely had to whisper her name 3 times and Zanny would appear. Zanny was like that mystical, magical Nanny played by Juliet Mills in Nanny and the Professor. Except Zanny drove a silver Ford Focus instead of a black 1930 Model A named Arabella. Oh yeah, and Nanny never stole the kids from the professor to "teach him a lesson", (but she did disappear on occasion, LOL).

The defense will have to come up with some sort of reasonable explanation for Zanny. A personality disorder of Casey's... maybe. It's not a defense to prevent a conviction for Casey killing Caylee, but a defense that might possibly be used to keep Casey off of death row.

[margaritaville]

I can see Cindy bringing her own gavel and making objections from the witness stand. Or raising her hand while in the audience asking the judge if she can ask a question. If she's not allowed in the court cause she's a witness, you know she will be standing in the hallway with her Sonic Super Ear 4000 trying to capture every word said in the courtroom.:laugh:


I wonder if there is cameras allowed if Cindy will try and set up her own tri-pod and camera? :wink: And if not will she hire her own sketch artist? She will want them to only draw her from her good side ya know..lol
She will have to be drawn as the "10" she thinks she is....
Plus when the trial is over she could sell them on EBAY like the ones did from Scott Peterson trial! More blood money......

MOO

[ish]

ITA - Can't wait to see Cindy on the stand. It will be the highlight of the trial. Cindy-ism's galore!!! A hostile witness. Contradicting herself over and over again.

I wonder if they will tell her to take the gum out while she testifies, I bet she sticks it under the witness chair. She'll wander over to the Prosecution table to "check their calendar" and them ask if she is intimidating them. Of course she'll swig water and flap her flip flops while on the stand. I predict a couple of days of classic combative Anthony behavior, topped off with a possible contempt charge. I'm keeping a couple/3 vacation days in the bank so I don't miss a minute of the action.

[ish]

I wonder if there is cameras allowed if Cindy will try and set up her own tri-pod and camera? :wink: And if not will she hire her own sketch artist? She will want them to only draw her from her good side ya know..lol
She will have to be drawn as the "10" she thinks she is....
Plus when the trial is over she could sell them on EBAY like the ones did from Scott Peterson trial! More blood money......

MOO

I want to see the sparks (literally LOL) when she has to raise her right hand and swear on the bible. They may have to evacuate the courtroom.:ohmy:

[Ellie]

That was the famous Henry Lee, he stated there was ham and cheese in the garbage and it was rotting. In actuality, there were WRAPPERS from packages of ham and cheese, no actual food. But hey, he gave it a good try.:rolleyes:

Actually he just put the ham and cheese sandwich in his pocket and then flew off to China for a couple months. (Sorry, I couldn't resist.) Yes, HL did try to say there was a ham sandwich in the trunk in the bag. Just one more step in his obvious goal of ruining any and all credibility he ever had.

[margaritaville]

I want to see the sparks (literally LOL) when she has to raise her right hand and swear on the bible. They may have to evacuate the courtroom.:ohmy:

LOL..they could just pump holy water threw the spinkler system and all get baptized.. Including Casey and the finger!!

MOO

[Bala]

I actual see Cindy as a gift from God to the prosecution. I truly believe all here lies are going to convict Casey. Everything "Casey told her" is admissible it's not hear say. There's no way Casey will take the stand so Cindy is a way for the prosecutors to bring in all Casey's lies. Imagine how much the jury will hear that the wouldn't have if Casey hadn't "told her."

[Deannalynn]

I can see Cindy bringing her own gavel and making objections from the witness stand. Or raising her hand while in the audience asking the judge if she can ask a question. If she's not allowed in the court cause she's a witness, you know she will be standing in the hallway with her Sonic Super Ear 4000 trying to capture every word said in the courtroom.:laugh:

:biggrinjester:

[margaritaville]

Best video I have seen of Cindy anthony on talk shows.......

OMG.. This speaks volumes!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf1oC0q-2nQ&feature=related

[sydney]

Not necessary, Casey and Zanny communicated on a higher plane than us mortals, Casey merely had to whisper her name 3 times and Zanny would appear. Zanny was like that mystical, magical Nanny played by Juliet Mills in Nanny and the Professor. Except Zanny drove a silver Ford Focus instead of a black 1930 Model A named Arabella. Oh yeah, and Nanny never stole the kids from the professor to "teach him a lesson", (but she did disappear on occasion, LOL).

kc was apparently the only one who could see the invisi-nanny, too.
amazing that, if they were "best buds" and invisi-nanny had no kids of her own, kc never invited her out to party while cindy babysat caylee.

i keep wondering how kc kept up with all of zanny's addresses and phone numbers, too. how nice of zanny to keep kc informed of all those changes. seems kc didn't even bother putting the latest phone number into her phone, did she?

i wish someone would have asked kc to describe where she dropped caylee off prior to invisi-nanny moving to sawgrass. (or did they?)

[Sun]

Best video I have seen of Cindy anthony on talk shows.......

OMG.. This speaks volumes!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf1oC0q-2nQ&feature=related

Thanks for posting this link. It's one that I had never seen.

[Sun]

It is another Friday, and guess who is not going out partying with friends? That's right! CASEY.

I do think that she misses this part of her former life. Dressing up to go out. The flirting. Creating drama. All the attention from the guys.

[kakax]

But according to cindy's depo for ZFG, she says the opposite...

Q. Duyring that time period was it your understanding that your daughter Casey had a job?
CA) yes, it was

Q. Where was she working, to your knowledge, at that point in time?

CA) To my knowlege, Universal Studios and Hard Rock Cafe'


http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5345644/Casey-Anthony-Cindy-Anthony-deposition-in-the-ZFG-civil-case


So I wonder what answer she will give at trial? We have her written facebook that she knew Casey had no money and no job..Then we have her at the depo saying she had 2 jobs??!! WTF Cindy..Does the answers just change depending on who asks them??

I'm thinking the norm in Chez Anthony household was not to hold the truth in high regard.

[kakax]

Her answers do change all the time. All these jobs she says Casey had, and yet there is so record of them. It's a big conspiracy.:sneaky:

I really like the one where Casey worked a Super Bowl with her Brother.

Hey, that story would stand out to anyone around her....she actually worked for a weekend, a day, or an hour. :biggrin:

[sydney]

I actual see Cindy as a gift from God to the prosecution. I truly believe all here lies are going to convict Casey. Everything "Casey told her" is admissible it's not hear say. There's no way Casey will take the stand so Cindy is a way for the prosecutors to bring in all Casey's lies. Imagine how much the jury will hear that the wouldn't have if Casey hadn't "told her."

should kc not be called to testify on her own behalf, i wonder if her failure to take the stand would somehow weigh in the jury's minds - oh, i know, the defense doesn't have to prove anything, that's just the prosecution's job and you are instructed in that manner and aren't to consider the defendant's failure to testify in determining their guilt or innocence.

however, in the back of my mind, i would be wondering why, if she is innocent as she claims, would she NOT want to give testimony as to that fact? if she has nothing to hide, as she claims, why NOT testify in her own behalf. (i would make an awful juror)

of course, we all know her story would be ripped to shreds by the prosecution so it would be tantamount to suicide to put her on the stand. but i also think she believes she can sway the jury to find her innocent by sheer dint of will - like cindy. delusional thinking, true, but that runs in the family.

[sydney]

It is another Friday, and guess who is not going out partying with friends?

(snipped by me)

(hey, sun - for a minute i thought you were going to say YOU because you'd rather be here with your FLaB friends. that's where I'M going to be :tonguewag:)

[kakax]

ah, ok, ham. that's the source of the pig/human comparison. thanks!

That and pig and human composition closely resemble each other, supposedly. They often use pig corpses to replicate what would happen with a human because obviously they can't find a human to volunteer for studies! There are significant differences in the compounds released though and that is why they differentiate them in the reports.

[sydney]

That and pig and human composition closely resemble each other, supposedly. They often use pig corpses to replicate what would happen with a human because obviously they can't find a human to volunteer for studies! There are significant differences in the compounds released though and that is why they differentiate them in the reports.

hey, kakax! isn't that why the "body farm" was established? (disgusting as it is to me, it serves a valuable purpose)

[kakax]

I can see Cindy bringing her own gavel and making objections from the witness stand. Or raising her hand while in the audience asking the judge if she can ask a question. If she's not allowed in the court cause she's a witness, you know she will be standing in the hallway with her Sonic Super Ear 4000 trying to capture every word said in the courtroom.:laugh:


Wait a minute, I wouldn't have been above getting one of those things on tv that you can hear the neighbors over the fence to listen to what was going on in that house had I lived next door during the time she was out on parole. :blushing:

[Sun]

I'm thinking the norm in Chez Anthony household was not to hold the truth in high regard.

I believe they all failed greatly when it came to telling the truth. They all appear to be experienced, long-time liars.

What is extremely sad to me, is that all the Anthonys seem to not want Justice for the death of Caylee. And, they didn't want Caylee's remains found.

[kakax]

The defense will have to come up with some sort of reasonable explanation for Zanny. A personality disorder of Casey's... maybe. It's not a defense to prevent a conviction for Casey killing Caylee, but a defense that might possibly be used to keep Casey off of death row.

You raise a good point. It is always interesting to me how the defense goes from the person is innocent, to the penalty phase after conviction saying this is why they did it.

I don't think it works often. It's a fine line. You can't admit too much because you hope for an appeal.

[margaritaville]

should kc not be called to testify on her own behalf, i wonder if her failure to take the stand would somehow weigh in the jury's minds - oh, i know, the defense doesn't have to prove anything, that's just the prosecution's job and you are instructed in that manner and aren't to consider the defendant's failure to testify in determining their guilt or innocence.

however, in the back of my mind, i would be wondering why, if she is innocent as she claims, would she NOT want to give testimony as to that fact? if she has nothing to hide, as she claims, why NOT testify in her own behalf. (i would make an awful juror)

of course, we all know her story would be ripped to shreds by the prosecution so it would be tantamount to suicide to put her on the stand. but i also think she believes she can sway the jury to find her innocent by sheer dint of will - like cindy. delusional thinking, true, but that runs in the family.


What if the defense puts Casey on the stand (which I do not believe will happen) and asks her only 1 question...
Did you murder your daughter Caylee Marie?
Casey replies no I did not....

What type of questions can the prosecution then ask her?
I know that they can only ask questions that are related to the questions asked by the defense...Would that open it wide open for the prosecution or ???

Just wondering if they did something like that it would help with those jurors that do want to hear "something" from Casey....

MOO

[sammy62]

It is another Friday, and guess who is not going out partying with friends? That's right! CASEY.

I do think that she misses this part of her former life. Dressing up to go out. The flirting. Creating drama. All the attention from the guys.

some people think Casey is loving it in jail. I on the other hand feel she is HATING it. Freedom to come and go is essential to a teen/young adult. Thats why grounding is so effective....and they have tv and internet.

I'm hoping she gets life without parole. I think death is too good for her. Make her sit there for 70 more years. jmo

[Postergeist]

Thanks for posting this link. It's one that I had never seen.

ditto! Thanks marg for that link- plus I got to see others I hadn't seen before either, like this one-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWtm5meQmEs&feature=related

Early Show 4 23 09 Anthony Exclusive NOT AIRED!

(this is sad too, because you can see the memorial for Caylee still up after 4 months later)

[Mandymax]

MrsHudson
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Imperfect4
She didn't find God. She's all into the church as a way to disguise her evilness. She's trying to hide her true character. As usual.

Ain't workin.

As usual.

Whitened sepulchre.

How do we know? She got publicity from being "re-baptized. She's repulsive. __________________________________________________ __________

Moved over from last nights thread...

What is it that the Anthony's are really trying to get from this??
They pick Caylee's birthday to get re-baptized because using that day would give them more publicity than any other day. Everyone that has followed this case was waiting for them to do "something" special for Caylee.....But first they have to put on this demonstration! Why?? It doesn't make them any different then the way they were before, other then wet.
It doesn't take away any of their millions of lies have spoke, fights they started, name calling ect......these are vile people...There isn't enough holy water on this planet to cleanse them.....IMHO......

MOO

I know I'm very much in the minority here, but I still feel pity for them.

I don't agree with much of what they've said and done, but as their motive, rather than evil, I still see sheer and utter panic and desperation and the deepest sense of out-and-out denial I've ever witnessed in anyone. I see everything they say and do as being terrified attempts at preserving their own sanity and staving off the inevitable breakdown that will come when finally forced to confront the truth: their little girl is hell personified on earth, and because of her, they will not only never see their granddaughter again, but they will always wonder what she went through in those last moments at Casey's hands.

Who wants to acknowledge that to themselves, let alone accept it? I personally think I would lose my mind if I were in their shoes.

They do all this to not only try and hide from that pain, but in all likelihood to stay on Casey's good side as well. As in, "Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer." God forbid she get off on a technicality or an ambivalent jury.

I do believe they loved Caylee. I truly do. I notice in several statements, Cindy still refers to Caylee in the present tense, and the fear and anguish in her voice on that 911 call, to me, couldn't be faked. Unfortunately, I tend to think they fear Casey more at the moment.

As always, my own opinion.

[kakax]

hey, kakax! isn't that why the "body farm" was established? (disgusting as it is to me, it serves a valuable purpose)


I am pretty sure. It serves a very valuable purpose and they gain more and more knowledge every day.

I just read Cyril Wecht's book on high profile cases (Anna Nicole Smith, Hurricane Katrina, etc.) and it talked about that extensively. If you haven't read the book, it is very interesting. Not gorey, but gives you a good idea how blow flies have been used and the different techniques they can do to determine things like time of death.

I was specifically looking for information about dna coming from maggots because of this case, but none of the cases had the dna of the victim in question. They were mostly where the dna of the perpertrator was trying to be gained.

[Postergeist]

Wait a minute, I wouldn't have been above getting one of those things on tv that you can hear the neighbors over the fence to listen to what was going on in that house had I lived next door during the time she was out on parole. :blushing:

:laugh:

(we can hope that maybe Padilla did!)

[Postergeist]

I believe they all failed greatly when it came to telling the truth. They all appear to be experienced, long-time liars.

What is extremely sad to me, is that all the Anthonys seem to not want Justice for the death of Caylee. And, they didn't want Caylee's remains found.

Perfectly stated Sun!

I wholeheartedly agree with you summation.

[farrahrani]

That "don't worry" is highly significant. Now if only we knew what it meant :wink:

My first thought when I heard that was...she is making sure someone hears her reassuring Cindy, as if she were an accomplice.

As easy as it was for Cindy to try and drag all of Casey's friends into this mess, I am sure Casey herself had no problem trying to make her mother look suspicious also.

[kakax]

Best video I have seen of Cindy anthony on talk shows.......

OMG.. This speaks volumes!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf1oC0q-2nQ&feature=related

Oh wow! That video is amazing! Bookmarking that! Although I do find it interesting that in this case, there really aren't any people on this board defending Casey. Some are sympathetic to the grandparents (not me) but not her. That is so unusual. So many times on this board, people get labeled as the NG's or the G's. You really don't have that here in this case.

Good indicator of how unbelievable everything is that comes out of their mouths.

Bill O'Reilly has a way with words. I don't want to see this Grandmother anymore.

[Dells]

happygert
Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dells
No. They could try to create reasonable doubt by attacking the evidence. They have already started that to some extent by claiming that some of the evidence is "junk science". I don't think that will fly because there is just too much evidence that points right to Casey.

Dells ITA with you no way can they point the finger to anyone else..Way TOO much evidence pointing to casey.. I don't care how the defense and the As try to spin it .. It just keeps coming right back to casey..Now with all the delays the defense has asked for and gotten more solid evidence points to her.. The State will have all their ducks in a row while the defense is still trying to catch theirs...

No way can they explain away the 31 days not reporting Caylee missing,
The smell of the car.. the dogs hitting on the trunk, playhouse area, sand box and around pool in the A's yard.. those just cant be explained away..Nor can where Caylee's little bones were found.

Im still waiting on the rest of duct tape evidence.. I have this feeling casey's prints or dna is on that tape.. they said whos was not there cindys, george's or lee's.. But they never said one word about casey's not being there..

The maggot evidence will also be the nail in casey's coffin so to speak.. IMO the dna from the maggots will show 100% that Caylee's body was in that trunk..
__________________________________________________ __________


Moved over from last nights thread!

Love this post btw....

Quick question about my bold:

Do you think the defense knows these results yet?

MOO

Bolding mine....

I certainly hope so. It could very well be one of the reasons that the DP was put back on the table. I have a feeling that if there is any incriminating maggot evidence we may not hear about it until right before the trial, or we may possibly have to wait for the trial itself.

If the defense definitely knows that the prosecution has some good evidence like this, it makes you wonder why they don't want to work towards a plea deal. It seems that all the defense team is spouting is that Casey is completely innocent and will be exonerated at trial.:rolleyes:

[Postergeist]

I know I'm very much in the minority here, but I still feel pity for them.

I don't agree with much of what they've said and done, but as their motive, rather than evil, I still see sheer and utter panic and desperation and the deepest sense of out-and-out denial I've ever witnessed in anyone. I see everything they say and do as being terrified attempts at preserving their own sanity and staving off the inevitable breakdown that will come when finally forced to confront the truth: their little girl is hell personified on earth, and because of her, they will not only never see their granddaughter again, but they will always wonder what she went through in those last moments at Casey's hands.


<respectfully snipped>

Mandy- this is an eloquent and well-thought out post, I enjoyed reading your take on it.

But I do see their motives as "evil"- because of the very fact that they cast the blame and pointed the finger at very real people that do exist, that do have jobs, that do have parents and friends.

The accusations- the utter gall that they spewed against Tim Miller and many, many others, that to me is uncalled for and unforgiveable.

Since they are professing to have faith- I think they need a bit of a refresher course on what the Book has to say about "bearing false witness".

imo

[kakax]

ditto! Thanks marg for that link- plus I got to see others I hadn't seen before either, like this one-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWtm5meQmEs&feature=related

Early Show 4 23 09 Anthony Exclusive NOT AIRED!

(this is sad too, because you can see the memorial for Caylee still up after 4 months later)

Did you see her reaction when the interviewer asked Cindy if she had ever thought that things would be different if she had called the police earlier about her granddaughter?

She immediately slapped her hand to her chest like she had been hit. Has she not been asked that before? Had she not thought of that before? Was she just shocked that someone had the gall to put any personaly responsibility on her?

You would think she had been stabbed!!

[Postergeist]

My first thought when I heard that was...she is making sure someone hears her reassuring Cindy, as if she were an accomplice.

As easy as it was for Cindy to try and drag all of Casey's friends into this mess, I am sure Casey herself had no problem trying to make her mother look suspicious also.

bbm

hmmm! very good farrahrani-

can see two sides of that now- a way to "set" her mom up to implicate her

or- one of Casey's rare "truthful" statements and her mom does have a hand in something

[Dells]

Oh I'm guessing they do.. But that evidence they DO NOT want it out yet.. Also guessing they know exactly what was on that duct tape too..

One time LP said on NG that something along the lines that his sources were telling him that Casey's fingerprints were all over the duct tape. I hope that there is some credibility in that statement. LP has been right sometimes and he has been wrong sometimes. I just can't see how there can't be one fingerprint leftover, especially on overlapping pieces of duct tape. So, I will keep holding out hope until we hear otherwise. Another thing that gives me hope is that there was that one report that ruled out George's, Cindy's, and Lee's fingerprints from the duct tape, but it did not specifically name Casey, so it does make we wonder.

I think if there were Casey's fingerprints on the duct tape, and if the maggot evidence contains Caylee's DNA, then we will know why they put the DP back on the table. I think those 2 pieces of information will be more than enough to convict Casey without any doubt at all.

[kakax]

I know I'm very much in the minority here, but I still feel pity for them.

I don't agree with much of what they've said and done, but as their motive, rather than evil, I still see sheer and utter panic and desperation and the deepest sense of out-and-out denial I've ever witnessed in anyone. I see everything they say and do as being terrified attempts at preserving their own sanity and staving off the inevitable breakdown that will come when finally forced to confront the truth: their little girl is hell personified on earth, and because of her, they will not only never see their granddaughter again, but they will always wonder what she went through in those last moments at Casey's hands.

Who wants to acknowledge that to themselves, let alone accept it? I personally think I would lose my mind if I were in their shoes.

They do all this to not only try and hide from that pain, but in all likelihood to stay on Casey's good side as well. As in, "Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer." God forbid she get off on a technicality or an ambivalent jury.

I do believe they loved Caylee. I truly do. I notice in several statements, Cindy still refers to Caylee in the present tense, and the fear and anguish in her voice on that 911 call, to me, couldn't be faked. Unfortunately, I tend to think they fear Casey more at the moment.

As always, my own opinion.

I can certainly understand what you are saying...no one would want to have to admit to themselves that their daughter had done something so heinous. Losing your mind because of this would be a "normal" reaction. Not being able to get out of bed, hold a job, eat, sleep all would be very normal reactions to this kind of grief. Attacking all those around you is hard for me to be sympathetic towards them.

Believe me, I want to feel like you. I want to have sympathy for the family. In most cases, I do. Siblings, and in-laws and friends of people who were completely innocent usually get my sympathy. I even feel sympathy for the Craig's List Killer's family. They have taken the horrible news of what their son does the way I feel I would. I would be ashamed, scared, sad....not able to get on television and defend. I feel I would be placing a lot of blame on myself. How could I have raised such a person? How could I have stopped this? I would need serious therapy.

Hope that makes sense and doesn't make me sound horribly callous. There are different emotions that people have and different ways people act, but there are also some major similarities. I see them in that some people can make it through a funeral without crying. I can't make it through watching a funeral of someone I have never met on TV and not cry.

Covering up, lying, getting hostile, accusing others of things that I know they didn't do, just doesn't fit for me.

[martha]

Oh I am sorry they lost their grandbaby but they have not acted like most gp would act. why down everyone elce. they did not look for CAYLEE but they want to talk about everyone elce not looking. They have no reason to down tim miller or casey;s friends. why not just keep their mouth shut. Yes when I thin about someone losing their baby it just breaks my heart but the a;s have made us feel bad about them because they will not tell the truth. now they or living of of money from their dead gb so I just can;t feel to sorry for them. Maybe one day the truth will come out. jmho

[martha]

I can certainly understand what you are saying...no one would want to have to admit to themselves that their daughter had done something so heinous. Losing your mind because of this would be a "normal" reaction. Not being able to get out of bed, hold a job, eat, sleep all would be very normal reactions to this kind of grief. Attacking all those around you is hard for me to be sympathetic towards them.

Believe me, I want to feel like you. I want to have sympathy for the family. In most cases, I do. Siblings, and in-laws and friends of people who were completely innocent usually get my sympathy. I even feel sympathy for the Craig's List Killer's family. They have taken the horrible news of what their son does the way I feel I would. I would be ashamed, scared, sad....not able to get on television and defend. I feel I would be placing a lot of blame on myself. How could I have raised such a person? How could I have stopped this? I would need serious therapy.

Hope that makes sense and doesn't make me sound horribly callous. There are different emotions that people have and different ways people act, but there are also some major similarities. I see them in that some people can make it through a funeral without crying. I can't make it through watching a funeral of someone I have never met on TV and not cry.

Covering up, lying, getting hostile, accusing others of things that I know they didn't do, just doesn't fit for me.ITA with you but could not say it as good as you have.I have a hard time expressing how I feel about this case at times.you did so well thank you.jmho:wub:

[Postergeist]

Did you see her reaction when the interviewer asked Cindy if she had ever thought that things would be different if she had called the police earlier about her granddaughter?

She immediately slapped her hand to her chest like she had been hit. Has she not been asked that before? Had she not thought of that before? Was she just shocked that someone had the gall to put any personaly responsibility on her?

You would think she had been stabbed!!

Yup! Darn it- where's our body language expert people?!!!

but I was so glad it was asked (even tho it was edited out)

if it's ever occurred to you, that if you would have called for help sooner you might have been able to Save Her?

[kakax]

One time LP said on NG that something along the lines that his sources were telling him that Casey's fingerprints were all over the duct tape. I hope that there is some credibility in that statement. LP has been right sometimes and he has been wrong sometimes. I just can't see how there can't be one fingerprint leftover, especially on overlapping pieces of duct tape. So, I will keep holding out hope until we hear otherwise. Another thing that gives me hope is that there was that one report that ruled out George's, Cindy's, and Lee's fingerprints from the duct tape, but it did not specifically name Casey, so it does make we wonder.

I think if there were Casey's fingerprints on the duct tape, and if the maggot evidence contains Caylee's DNA, then we will know why they put the DP back on the table. I think those 2 pieces of information will be more than enough to convict Casey without any doubt at all.

Or DNA in the grave wax. I don't think you explain the grave wax away. Not sure why there would be grave wax in a car trunk. You can't say that it was from cleaning the squirrel. Even without dna on grave wax, I just find it very difficult to see how that would be in the trunk, along with a death band on a hair, and cadaver dogs hitting the trunk. (and with Cindy saying it smelled like a dead body, George saying he knew what the smell was, the detectives saying they had smelled the smell before).

I think her nail is already in the coffin. I am just greedy and want it to be 1000 nails.

[kakax]

Yup! Darn it- where's our body language expert people?!!!

but I was so glad it was asked (even tho it was edited out)

if it's ever occurred to you, that if you would have called for help sooner you might have been able to Save Her?


I agree, it must have some meaning. You could hear it slam it on her chest.

I think that might be one of the best questions asked of Cindy...and it was edited out?!?!?!?!? Wonder who made that decision? Her reaction was VERY telling.

[sydney]

What if the defense puts Casey on the stand (which I do not believe will happen) and asks her only 1 question...
Did you murder your daughter Caylee Marie?
Casey replies no I did not....

What type of questions can the prosecution then ask her?
I know that they can only ask questions that are related to the questions asked by the defense...Would that open it wide open for the prosecution or ???

Just wondering if they did something like that it would help with those jurors that do want to hear "something" from Casey....

MOO

i wonder if the prosecution would be allowed to ask her "do you know who did?" as a follow up question. (where are kat and lapis when you need them?)

[kakax]

ITA with you but could not say it as good as you have.I have a hard time expressing how I feel about this case at times.you did so well thank you.jmho:wub:

I think you did great!

It's good to see you, Martha! :wub:

[sydney]

I am pretty sure. It serves a very valuable purpose and they gain more and more knowledge every day.

I just read Cyril Wecht's book on high profile cases (Anna Nicole Smith, Hurricane Katrina, etc.) and it talked about that extensively. If you haven't read the book, it is very interesting. Not gorey, but gives you a good idea how blow flies have been used and the different techniques they can do to determine things like time of death.

I was specifically looking for information about dna coming from maggots because of this case, but none of the cases had the dna of the victim in question. They were mostly where the dna of the perpertrator was trying to be gained.

one would think that the pre-eminent, glorious dr. lee would have at least looked into the farm and stopped using pig references when discussing human decomp. (or is it just me?)

[Deannalynn]

My first thought when I heard that was...she is making sure someone hears her reassuring Cindy, as if she were an accomplice.

As easy as it was for Cindy to try and drag all of Casey's friends into this mess, I am sure Casey herself had no problem trying to make her mother look suspicious also.

You can tell by listening to Cindy, George and Casey that Cindy and Casey do not like each other, at all...
Casey doesn't know what unconditional love is.. She holds a grudge against her own mother. A deep one before she had Caylee and extremely profound, after she had Caylee..
The reason why she killed Caylee was all about her mother. She knew that would just about destroy her mother or so she thought. Cindy continually bragged to Casey how close she was to Caylee and that made Casey hate her more.
While she was killing little Caylee she was thinking how much she hated her mother.
Cindy tries real hard to put on a dog and pony show to everyone with how tight this little family is.
Not seeing Casey or talking with her had to be Casey's wishes. Now she's blaming her mother for being in jail and going up for murder, I bet...They are both pizzed at each other.
That's just about as sick as the two of them can get...
JMHO

[kakax]

i wonder if the prosecution would be allowed to ask her "do you know who did?" as a follow up question. (where are kat and lapis when you need them?)


I think the prosecution would LOVE to have a stab at her. I don't think her defense team will allow it because of that....but who knows with Baez. He says we will all have an AHA moment.:closedeyes:

[kakax]

one would think that the pre-eminent, glorious dr. lee would have at least looked into the farm and stopped using pig references when discussing human decomp. (or is it just me?)

Its not just you LOL! I don't think he did very well in that interview at all. I'm so biased against him after the Phil Spector trial though, I can't really be a good judge. He opens his mouth and I don't believe him. I do think some of these experts can be bought. I don't think any of them (except maybe him) outright lie. But even in Cyril Wecht's book, he talked about a case where he was called to testify for the defense in a pretty horrendous case. He said he would testify, but it really wouldn't help their case because he basically concurred with what the Medical Examiner had said.

That would be the ethical thing to do instead of spinning it to your side even though you know it is highly unlikely.

[Eagleeye]

I have read many of the documents including the cell phone records and text messages of Casey A. Am I wrong but has anyone seen once where a Zanny or Zanaida ever called or text'd (sp) her? Maybe to ask Casey when she was going to pick up Caylee or drop her off or for anything. Something??? Just once???

Come on Cindy and George give Casey up, redeem yourselves by telling the truth for once in your miserable lives. Yea, I know dream on Eagle. (talking to self) LOL

[Postergeist]

I agree, it must have some meaning. You could hear it slam it on her chest.

I think that might be one of the best questions asked of Cindy...and it was edited out?!?!?!?!? Wonder who made that decision? Her reaction was VERY telling.

yes- that's why it was titled "exclusive NOT aired"- so when the interview ran on the Early Show- those segments shown on the youtube clip were parts that CBS edited out.

Raw interviews are great for finding clues to help make things add up or have a few "ah HA!" details in them.

Granted- most of these never make it to court or get an arrest on some people (just thinking back to some other raw interviews I've seen in other cases before they got edited) but for the armchair detectives- it tends to further beliefs that the person is more involved, or guilty, or a liar or...

imo

[sydney]

I think the prosecution would LOVE to have a stab at her. I don't think her defense team will allow it because of that....but who knows with Baez. He says we will all have an AHA moment.:closedeyes:

i keep wondering - if andrea lyons is the dp-qualified attorney, why would baez be able to handle any aspect of this case? i mean, he's second chair (i think) and she is lead counsel. since he's not dp-qualified, what is/would be his role in all of this? please, someone with some know-how help me!

tia

[sammy62]

Oh I am sorry they lost their grandbaby but they have not acted like most gp would act. why down everyone elce. they did not look for CAYLEE but they want to talk about everyone elce not looking. They have no reason to down tim miller or casey;s friends. why not just keep their mouth shut. Yes when I thin about someone losing their baby it just breaks my heart but the a;s have made us feel bad about them because they will not tell the truth. now they or living of of money from their dead gb so I just can;t feel to sorry for them. Maybe one day the truth will come out. jmho

My feelings are that Cindy and Casey both loved Caylee as best they could. Its hard for a narcisist to not put themselves first. And I have heard them unofficially called a psychopath, which is worse than a narcisist. So I do believe they loved "that little girl". But they love themselves better. And of course I"m not condoning any of their behavior.

[Postergeist]

one would think that the pre-eminent, glorious dr. lee would have at least looked into the farm and stopped using pig references when discussing human decomp. (or is it just me?)

oh sydney- you ask for too much!

here- I've got some ketchup packets for you to use to show a scientific experiment with!

:tonguewag:

[sydney]

Its not just you LOL! I don't think he did very well in that interview at all. I'm so biased against him after the Phil Spector trial though, I can't really be a good judge. He opens his mouth and I don't believe him. I do think some of these experts can be bought. I don't think any of them (except maybe him) outright lie. But even in Cyril Wecht's book, he talked about a case where he was called to testify for the defense in a pretty horrendous case. He said he would testify, but it really wouldn't help their case because he basically concurred with what the Medical Examiner had said.

That would be the ethical thing to do instead of spinning it to your side even though you know it is highly unlikely.

i used to watch his show when it was on - i found it entertaining, like i find sci-fi entertaining.

he is just a paid wh*** now. (or is he working pro bono for kc?) in my opinion his reputation, based on his past testimonies, is in the toilet.

[kakax]

one would think that the pre-eminent, glorious dr. lee would have at least looked into the farm and stopped using pig references when discussing human decomp. (or is it just me?)

I was also thinking that Dr. Kobi would rue the day he ever went on NG as well because his tone changed so much after the defense hired him. I remember us talking about things he said prior to being hired and things he said after and wondering if the State would use it against him.

[sydney]

I have read many of the documents including the cell phone records and text messages of Casey A. Am I wrong but has anyone seen once where a Zanny or Zanaida ever called or text'd (sp) her? Maybe to ask Casey when she was going to pick up Caylee or drop her off or for anything. Something??? Just once???

Come on Cindy and George give Casey up, redeem yourselves by telling the truth for once in your miserable lives. Yea, I know dream on Eagle. (talking to self) LOL

and kc didn't have a phone number for her, either. they communicated by telepathy, dontcha know?

[kakax]

i used to watch his show when it was on - i found it entertaining, like i find sci-fi entertaining.

he is just a paid wh*** now. (or is he working pro bono for kc?) in my opinion his reputation, based on his past testimonies, is in the toilet.

I would have watched it too. Like I watch Dr. G but I never knew when it was on. So it's not on anymore? Wonder if he was pulled or just didn't have the ratings.

It is fascinating stuff to tru crime addicts like me!

[Eagleeye]

i keep wondering - if andrea lyons is the dp-qualified attorney, why would baez be able to handle any aspect of this case? i mean, he's second chair (i think) and she is lead counsel. since he's not dp-qualified, what is/would be his role in all of this? please, someone with some know-how help me!

tia

I believe that AL will be doing the opening and closing statements as well as leading most of the questioning. JB will be able to question the people that he has deposed. That should be the extent of JB's involvement and he ain't gonna like it.

[sydney]

oh sydney- you ask for too much!

here- I've got some ketchup packets for you to use to show a scientific experiment with!

:tonguewag:

hey, postie! no thanks. i've sorta duplicated his testimony in the mp case (is that the one where he spit a mouthful out to show blood spatter?) i open those things and it never fails that they spatter all over my desk, my blouse, my pc screen - you get the idea.

[kakax]

and kc didn't have a phone number for her, either. they communicated by telepathy, dontcha know?


:biggrinjester:

I have enjoyed today so much now that my kids are back to the old grindstone! Have to go do housework now. So glad I was able to catch up with all of you!!
:wub:

[Eagleeye]

and kc didn't have a phone number for her, either. they communicated by telepathy, dontcha know?

Syd,

Thanks for the laugh this morning, I needed that. :laugh:

[sydney]

I believe that AL will be doing the opening and closing statements as well as leading most of the questioning. JB will be able to question the people that he has deposed. That should be the extent of JB's involvement and he ain't gonna like it.

back a while people were wondering why he was even handling the depos since he isn't first chair. there was speculation that they may have to be redone by al. (or was that resolved and i missed it?)

[sydney]

Syd,

Thanks for the laugh this morning, I needed that. :laugh:

tyvm - i "knew" you needed it. as my boss says, i'm "mental" :tonguewag:

[Postergeist]

I was also thinking that Dr. Kobi would rue the day he ever went on NG as well because his tone changed so much after the defense hired him. I remember us talking about things he said prior to being hired and things he said after and wondering if the State would use it against him.

well he sure fell off the side of the cable world once he aligned himself with the defense didn't he?

I wonder when this trial is over, if NG will ever have him back on- or if he burned his bridges for good with her?

I enjoyed his input on other cases that NG covered (and I admit- I have always enjoyed hearing Cyril Wecht speak- I just like his voice) :smile:


gotta go do errands & get doggie treats, c'ya later

[martha]

one would think that the pre-eminent, glorious dr. lee would have at least looked into the farm and stopped using pig references when discussing human decomp. (or is it just me?)ITA with you I would not believe him on a stack of bibles as high as my house. Once the lie then I don;t believe them any more. There was nothing in the trunk but packages of where meat had been.Young people don;t throw pizza away. My children don;t they have even heated it up in the morning to eat. I have never seen any young people throw away pizza.ha, Now my hubby and I will have some left and throw it away unless the kids come by if they do they eat it. I can;t and never will be able to get by the 31 days. casey is a very sick girl and I think she takes it after g and c. jmho

[sydney]

ITA with you I would not believe him on a stack of bibles as high as my house. Once the lie then I don;t believe them any more. There was nothing in the trunk but packages of where meat had been.Young people don;t throw pizza away. My children don;t they have even heated it up in the morning to eat. I have never seen any young people throw away pizza.ha, Now my hubby and I will have some left and throw it away unless the kids come by if they do they eat it. I can;t and never will be able to get by the 31 days. casey is a very sick girl and I think she takes it after g and c. jmho

(bold is mine) hey, martha!
of course kc takes after them - cindy kept saying "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree". she was right.

[martha]

:biggrinjester:

I have enjoyed today so much now that my kids are back to the old grindstone! Have to go do housework now. So glad I was able to catch up with all of you!!
:wub:Please don;t stay gone long you or so much help for me. love your posts.:wub:

[Postergeist]

hey, postie! no thanks. i've sorta duplicated his testimony in the mp case (is that the one where he spit a mouthful out to show blood spatter?) i open those things and it never fails that they spatter all over my desk, my blouse, my pc screen - you get the idea.

LOL- yes, it was the MP case (Michael Peterson for those that didn't follow that one- and he was found G!)

why Syd, I think you could apply as Dr. Lee's courtroom assistant then-you have expertise in the wacky things that ketchup can do!

:wink:

[sydney]

oh no! work intrudes!

see you guys tonight.:smile:

[sydney]

LOL- yes, it was the MP case (Michael Peterson for those that didn't follow that one- and he was found G!)

why Syd, I think you could apply as Dr. Lee's courtroom assistant then-you have expertise in the wacky things that ketchup can do!

:wink:

AND, packets of soysauce, mustard, mayonnaise and relish! i've *experimented* with it all!

[Eagleeye]

back a while people were wondering why he was even handling the depos since he isn't first chair. there was speculation that they may have to be redone by al. (or was that resolved and i missed it?)

Any member of the Defense Team can handle the Depos. It doesn't have to be the lead attorney and I don't think that they will have to be redone. AL can delegate those duties to her subordinates on the team.

[Barbara fl.]

i used to watch his show when it was on - i found it entertaining, like i find sci-fi entertaining.

he is just a paid wh*** now. (or is he working pro bono for kc?) in my opinion his reputation, based on his past testimonies, is in the toilet.


I think he is trying for a comeback....but it won't work...he's done...I hope he's smart enough to know that...This case, especially, can only make it worse for him (if that's possible)......

[Barbara fl.]

LOL- yes, it was the MP case (Michael Peterson for those that didn't follow that one- and he was found G!)

why Syd, I think you could apply as Dr. Lee's courtroom assistant then-you have expertise in the wacky things that ketchup can do!

:wink:


And let's not forget the Phil Spector case where Henry Lee held back evidence....(finger nail)...

[ish]

I have read many of the documents including the cell phone records and text messages of Casey A. Am I wrong but has anyone seen once where a Zanny or Zanaida ever called or text'd (sp) her? Maybe to ask Casey when she was going to pick up Caylee or drop her off or for anything. Something??? Just once???

Come on Cindy and George give Casey up, redeem yourselves by telling the truth for once in your miserable lives. Yea, I know dream on Eagle. (talking to self) LOL

I don't know how far back they went with Casey's records, I hope back to 2007, but they say there were no calls ever to or from Zenaida.

[Mandymax]

What if the defense puts Casey on the stand (which I do not believe will happen) and asks her only 1 question...
Did you murder your daughter Caylee Marie?
Casey replies no I did not....



It sticks in my mind that I learned somewhere - maybe during the Scott Peterson trial? I don't remember - that whenever someone says they "did not" do something, as opposed to saying "No, I didn't," chances are they're lying. They believe emphatically stating those TWO words as opposed to using the contraction will make them sound more confident in their answer and therefore more believable.

Has anyone else heard this?

[martha]

I don't know how far back they went with Casey's records, I hope back to 2007, but they say there were no calls ever to or from Zenaida. I know and I thought that was so funny because casey said she talked to her all the time. there is no nanny. The trunk of the car is the only nanny casey ever had. she had no money to pay a nanny with and no one baby sits with out being paid. I can;t see anyone believing that. I hope that jury is some people that know better than that. No one took CAYLEE from casey, casey took CAYLEE away from everyone.May GOD give us justice for CAYLEE one day. I know she is happy now runing and playing in heaven but for us here I hope and pray we see justice for her.jmho

[Eagleeye]

And let's not forget the Phil Spector case where Henry Lee held back evidence....(finger nail)...

Come on Barbara, it was a small white object. Only speculation that it was a portion of her fingernail. It was never proven one way or the other. The Judge believed the fired attorney Sarah Kaplan over Dr. Lee. After all is said and done, it didn't make a wit of difference in the second trial. I still don't believe that Dr. Lee would do what they said they think he did. This is way off topic but to bring it back, I don't think Dr. Lee wants anything to do with the MJ case of his own volition.

[Sun]

i keep wondering - if andrea lyons is the dp-qualified attorney, why would baez be able to handle any aspect of this case? i mean, he's second chair (i think) and she is lead counsel. since he's not dp-qualified, what is/would be his role in all of this? please, someone with some know-how help me!

tia

So far, it seems like the role that Baez has assumed from the very beginning, is that it's his job to visit with Casey, if not every single day, then at least every few days. Baez seems to have also assumed the role of going to New York and doing "business" on Casey's behalf (according to Casey's words on the August 14 Jail Visitation Video).

[happygert]

Yep on Nancy Grace's November 17, 2008 show: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0811/17/ng.01.html

GRACE: I know. I've been missing you, Dr. Lee. It's nice to hear your voice. So did the car still stink to high heaven when you examined it?

LEE: Yes, when I examine the car, it still have the odor.

GRACE: Now, Dr. Lee, your testimony has been extremely impressive in the past. No one will ever forget the various demonstrations that you have done in high-profile court cases. When you say it smelled, is it true the car smells of decomposition?

LEE: The smell -- actually, it's a rotten smell. It's caused by any type of decomposition. The definition of decomposition, anything. It can be any food material. Can be human body. Can be any type of thing, decomposition. So the terms decomposed, human body odor, I don't think any scientist can qualify to say -- just smell the odor, say that's a human body.

GRACE: Well, Dr. Henry Lee -- everyone, with us, he is on the Anthony defense team -- I know that you have the highest regard for the Oak Ridge Laboratories in Tennessee. I trained there myself for a period of time. According to them, and their -- their specialty unit, the "body farm," there was evidence of human decomposition. Would that be consistent with the smell that you smelled, Dr. Henry Lee?

LEE: Here, that's -- you know, I'm a scientist. I only can address some scientific issue. I cannot speculate. Decomposition, because the trunk -- don't forget, I looked at not only the car. Also looked at the liner, the carpet. Also looked at the content of the material. And I don't know anybody informed me or not -- there are a lot of garbage was collected. A lot of material was collected from the trunk.

GRACE: Like what?

LEE: Like what? Like food, like meat, like pizza box, like cheese, like ham, box (ph) of soda, and all different material in there. So basically, a lot of maggots and a lot of insects, all kind of material mixed together. So I cannot really elaborate too much on what I found because this is an active case. I cannot really reach a conclusion at this moment.

and after the break:

GRACE: Dr. Henry Lee, you stated that there was a lot of garbage in the car. Did I understand you correctly to say meat and cheese were in the car?

LEE: Box of -- you know, those (Inaudible) frozen foods. So have some food residue there. But we did find a lot of maggots, insect activity and fungus growing. But you know, it's a lot of (Inaudible) information have to digest before we reach any conclusion.

GRACE: And Dr. Lee, you said frozen food? Such as what?

LEE: Frozen food boxes. You know, those packages.

GRACE: Frozen food boxes. Was there food inside of it?

LEE: Well, because right now, I can't really say too much about what we looked at, what we found, OK?


HL's credibility went out the window a long time ago for me.. along with CW the one who preformed 2nd autopsy on Anna Nicole Smith's son Danny..IMO the whole defense team leaves a lot to be desired.. Everyone knows there was NO FOOD in that car.. trash yes , food NO.. HL creditably is zero in my book.. in M. Peterson's Case he said Kathleen wasn't murdered because there was too much blood for it to be a murder.. Good Lord HL are you crazy? GMAB...This team remind's me of Laurel and Hardy..

[Deannalynn]

I don't know how far back they went with Casey's records, I hope back to 2007, but they say there were no calls ever to or from Zenaida.

And that's where Ms. Casey screwed her little plan up. There's never a "perfect" lie, perfect murder or perfect anything deceiving.

When all is said and done, Ms. Casey will be laid up on the death bed, Cindy will be sitting in the middle of her bed with thousands of Franklins covering her and George will be outside doing gardening.
Baez will have written a book of his own and Zaneida Gonzalez will be cashing a huge check at the bank.
Lee will be MIA as he has been pretty much of this murder case.

Ya think Casey will have visitors when this is all done and over? NOT!

[happygert]

And that's where Ms. Casey screwed her little plan up. There's never a "perfect" lie, perfect murder or perfect anything deceiving.

When all is said and done, Ms. Casey will be laid up on the death bed, Cindy will be sitting in the middle of her bed with thousands of Franklins covering her and George will be outside doing gardening.
Baez will have written a book of his own and Zaneida Gonzalez will be cashing a huge check at the bank.
Lee will be MIA as he has been pretty much of this murder case.

Ya think Casey will have visitors when this is all done and over? NOT!

Oh I think when this is all over she'll be running up her mommy's phone bill sky high.. She'll be blaming mommy and daddy because she's in the big house..mommy and daddy will be to busy to visit casey. they'll be selling off Caylee's things and wouldn't be surprised if casey's things dont show up on e-bay..
I dont know if the lawyers still have access to clients anytime they want like they do in the jails.. but IMO no more late night visits from baez once casey's convicted..And no more protective custody if she gets life.. general public look out here she comes..

[ladeebug565]

That is one piece of possible incriminating evidence that Cindy was prevented from destroyed. Cindy is probably furious at George for allowing the towyard fellow to remove it from the trunk. Or she will be, if it contained incriminating evidence that will be used to help convict Casey.

OK, this is cause for concern. The bag was in the dumpster at the tow yard. Remember Cindy said that when the car was towed there was no smell. She also suggested that perhaps a body was put in the car after it was towed. She is projecting her daughter's guilt not only on Jesse, Amy, Tone, but also the tow yard. Doesn't matter that Casey mentioned the smell to Amy, that she abandoned the car at Amscot. The spin might just be that whatever happened, it happened AFTER the car was towed. Has she no shame? Side note, George told the media that the body in his daughter's car was not his granddaughter.

Let's just overlook that the child wasn't reported missing, until push came to shove, 31 days after she was last seen.

[KittyMom]

Cindy's argument that a body was placed in the car after it reached the tow yard is going to be shot down by her own daughter's texting of the dead squirrels plastered to the undercarriage. There was a smell in the car long before Cindy knew about it.

I'm just hoping that someone (SA, judge, def) chews her up over her lies and finally breaks that rebellious spirit of hers.

[Sun]

OK, this is cause for concern. The bag was in the dumpster at the tow yard. Remember Cindy said that when the car was towed there was no smell. She also suggested that perhaps a body was put in the car after it was towed. She is projecting her daughter's guilt not only on Jesse, Amy, Tone, but also the tow yard. Doesn't matter that Casey mentioned the smell to Amy, that she abandoned the car at Amscot. The spin might just be that whatever happened, it happened AFTER the car was towed. Has she no shame? Side note, George told the media that the body in his daughter's car was not his granddaughter.

Let's just overlook that the child wasn't reported missing, until push came to shove, 31 days after she was last seen.

BBM
I remember that outburst of George's quite well. He was angry with the protestors/media coverage at the time, and these words erupted from his lips. George knew that there had been a body in that trunk. No doubt in my mind.

[ladeebug565]

kc was apparently the only one who could see the invisi-nanny, too.
amazing that, if they were "best buds" and invisi-nanny had no kids of her own, kc never invited her out to party while cindy babysat caylee.

i keep wondering how kc kept up with all of zanny's addresses and phone numbers, too. how nice of zanny to keep kc informed of all those changes. seems kc didn't even bother putting the latest phone number into her phone, did she?

i wish someone would have asked kc to describe where she dropped caylee off prior to invisi-nanny moving to sawgrass. (or did they?)

My bold. Funny how every (imaginary) person in Casey's life had multiple addresses and phone numbers. I've had the same celly number for years. I've moved several times, but the number never changed. I've known people who have moved to different states and keep the same number for simplicity purposes. Now, sadly, all these people are missing and their cellies and addies can't be traced because they lived a Nomad's life.

[martha]

c and g or trying to have it both ways. One time they say the car had no smell then they say someone put a body in the car after casey left it now which way was it? g knew there was a dead body in casey;s car but it was not his gd. c sayes the tow people put someone in the car. The garbage had not meat or anything elce in it to smell. just wrapers and cans all dry things. I don;t think it would take a jury long to see into all of this I sure hope they put cindy on the stand.she will get so mixed up she will not know what to do. george will also get mixed up because he is lieing and he know that. everything they have done is to cover for casey just the same with lee. If they loved CAYLEE so much why or they not standing up for her? Now my blood pres.is going up I need to stop reading for a while.jmho

[martha]

My bold. Funny how every (imaginary) person in Casey's life had multiple addresses and phone numbers. I've had the same celly number for years. I've moved several times, but the number never changed. I've known people who have moved to different states and keep the same number for simplicity purposes. Now, sadly, all these people are missing and their cellies and addies can't be traced because they lived a Nomad's life.
ITA with you I have had the same phone # all my life from the very first phone I got. why would you change phone # every time you turned around no one could ever get in touch with you. jmho

[msgatorslayer]

ITA with you I have had the same phone # all my life from the very first phone I got. why would you change phone # every time you turned around no one could ever get in touch with you. jmho

While I agree and know that all these peeps Casey talks about are 'fake', some people do change numbers all the time. I have a couple of people I know that through the years, they take up a whole page in a phone book, lol.

What I found about Casey's story to be soooo bogus was how she knew the cell providers for EVERYONE. Each time they switched numbers. TO MUCH INFORMATION because it's all fabricated. She tells way more than what is needed.

My Husband has a cell provided through work, REAL WORK, and I couldn't tell you what the provider is. Don't know. Don't care.

I don't know the cell providers of any of my friends, now that I think about it.

[sydney]

You know... I would love to start calling him "Dr. Condiments" instead of Dr. Lee.... Wouldn't that be funny! :biggrin:

he better NOT steal my schtick! (i am SURE i spelled that wrong) i worked hard at understanding the spatter patterns created by all those condiments!

[martha]

all the an;s give to much inf.that is way it all sound so fakie. I like my cell phone but it took me forever to remember the # but now I have all my phone# in there so I don;t have to remember any # I am so old it is hard to remember my name sometimes. There was no nanny and never has been one. it is so strange that casey and her mother and daddy or even lee have not seen each other. I would never go with out seeing my daughter no matter what but I do know if casey don;t want to see them then they can;t see her. I really think it is casey that don;t want to see her family. she knows they know what she did. I really think she does not want to face them now.jmho

[sydney]

OK, this is cause for concern. The bag was in the dumpster at the tow yard.

(respectfully snipped)

could it be argued that it wasn't THE bag? or have kc's prints been found on it?

[sydney]

My bold. Funny how every (imaginary) person in Casey's life had multiple addresses and phone numbers. I've had the same celly number for years. I've moved several times, but the number never changed. I've known people who have moved to different states and keep the same number for simplicity purposes. Now, sadly, all these people are missing and their cellies and addies can't be traced because they lived a Nomad's life.

when i first heard of all the moving around and changing cell phone numbers, i thought zanny may be running from something, creditors, ex-boyfriend, the law, who knows? and she never seemed to move very far either or have a REASON for moving....she must have been really good at breaking leases. how many security deposits weren't returned because she broke a lease? where did the new security deposit money come from for the next apartment? if she had "money", why not buy a friggin' CONDO?

(i know, she's make-believe. but this was too much for me to believe)

[sydney]

i'm sure le has pulled utility records regarding "zanny" as well. here in ILLinois, you need a ssn in order to establish service. if you've never had service before, you have to give a deposit.

if zanny randomly skipped from place to place, she would have provided a forwarding address so she could get her deposit back, dontcha think? unless she stiffed the utility companies and apartments by not paying the final bill or rent.

of course, we already know that no utility bills or prior apartment leases exist for invisi-nanny. come on, REALLY - how stoopid did cindy and kc think we were?

[breezie]

Come on Barbara, it was a small white object. Only speculation that it was a portion of her fingernail. It was never proven one way or the other. The Judge believed the fired attorney Sarah Kaplan over Dr. Lee. After all is said and done, it didn't make a wit of difference in the second trial. I still don't believe that Dr. Lee would do what they said they think he did. This is way off topic but to bring it back, I don't think Dr. Lee wants anything to do with the MJ case of his own volition.


AJ got a gotcha in the second trial about it because that doofus defense attorney said her nail was gone and that it proved she pulled the trigger, and AJ said, then where is it!? We looked, they looked...LOL! Great moment. I believe Lee took it.

[ish]

when i first heard of all the moving around and changing cell phone numbers, i thought zanny may be running from something, creditors, ex-boyfriend, the law, who knows? and she never seemed to move very far either or have a REASON for moving....she must have been really good at breaking leases. how many security deposits weren't returned because she broke a lease? where did the new security deposit money come from for the next apartment? if she had "money", why not buy a friggin' CONDO?

(i know, she's make-believe. but this was too much for me to believe)

Doesn't it drive you nuts, how much time we spend thinking about this imaginary person. Wondering about her cellphone and utilities and how quickly she recovered from her "accident":w00t:

[Scampi]

(respectfully snipped)

could it be argued that it wasn't THE bag? or have kc's prints been found on it?

I am fairly certain, that it was george who accompanied Detective Melich back to the tow yard and pointed out the exact bag that was in the trunk of that car.

[kakax]

I am fairly certain, that it was george who accompanied Detective Melich back to the tow yard and pointed out the exact bag that was in the trunk of that car.

And I believe that Tone and his roomates verified that it was similar to what they had in the trash. George, Tone, roomates, and tow truck owners testimonies will make it impossible not to believe that the trash was from her car. Cindy also commented that the smell was from the pizza.

They may try to dispute it. I hope they do. I don't think they will get very far. Not many trash bags have paper towels with grave wax on them from a person who's child is missing.

Everything is tied to that car. Their only hope is to say that that car was out of her possession. The only other people who had access to the car were George and Cindy, possibly Lee. They want to try to say Jesse but geez how many keys do people have made for cars. I thought Casey was so careful she kept one in her pocket. :rolleyes: We are expected to believe she had that many copies?

I say try it. I say they lose.

[kakax]

LOL...that's kind of sad, only because I too, plan on holding back a little time off just in case Cindy's testimony is televised.

Heck, if it isn't televised, I am not above going down there to try to get in a few days. I bet it will be very hard to get in though! I'm glad Florida is a camera friendly state!

[BobbysGirl]

all the an;s give to much inf.that is way it all sound so fakie. I like my cell phone but it took me forever to remember the # but now I have all my phone# in there so I don;t have to remember any # I am so old it is hard to remember my name sometimes. There was no nanny and never has been one. it is so strange that casey and her mother and daddy or even lee have not seen each other. I would never go with out seeing my daughter no matter what but I do know if casey don;t want to see them then they can;t see her. I really think it is casey that don;t want to see her family. she knows they know what she did. I really think she does not want to face them now.jmho

I am jumping in here. I have to agree w/what you say. IMO Casey cares nothing but about Casey. A very selfish person. So immersed into herself that I doubt she really knows what is going on. Except, for my op, Jose is her saviour. She appears to me being very needy.
Living in the A household and under control of a mom who cares less of her needs and I believe she has been abused verbally on a daily basis. Her mom has too high expectations of her own wants and needs(Cindy). I believe Cindy is a control freak and a crisis junkie. IMHO I could say more but...

Casey did her deed and must now face it. If she can. I doubt that. And, as far as Mr. Jose, time will tell just how much she can think how much more she can manipulate him and the others on defense team. As Mark Klass put it 'She is an odious creature'. Not the first and certainly not the last.

Just voicing my opinion.

BG

[ish]

And I believe that Tone and his roomates verified that it was similar to what they had in the trash. George, Tone, roomates, and tow truck owners testimonies will make it impossible not to believe that the trash was from her car. Cindy also commented that the smell was from the pizza.

They may try to dispute it. I hope they do. I don't think they will get very far. Not many trash bags have paper towels with grave wax on them from a person who's child is missing.

Everything is tied to that car. Their only hope is to say that that car was out of her possession. The only other people who had access to the car were George and Cindy, possibly Lee. They want to try to say Jesse but geez how many keys do people have made for cars. I thought Casey was so careful she kept one in her pocket. :rolleyes: We are expected to believe she had that many copies?

I say try it. I say they lose.

I think there were receipts from TonE's roommate in the bag. Nate something or other, co there is no argument (yet!!) that it is the same bag.

[ish]

And I believe that Tone and his roomates verified that it was similar to what they had in the trash. George, Tone, roomates, and tow truck owners testimonies will make it impossible not to believe that the trash was from her car. Cindy also commented that the smell was from the pizza.

They may try to dispute it. I hope they do. I don't think they will get very far. Not many trash bags have paper towels with grave wax on them from a person who's child is missing.

Everything is tied to that car. Their only hope is to say that that car was out of her possession. The only other people who had access to the car were George and Cindy, possibly Lee. They want to try to say Jesse but geez how many keys do people have made for cars. I thought Casey was so careful she kept one in her pocket. :rolleyes: We are expected to believe she had that many copies?

I say try it. I say they lose.

my bold.

I'm sure her "team" will find some statistics on that!!! Try to convince us that it's common to find cars with stuff like that in them all the time.

[kakax]

I think there were receipts from TonE's roommate in the bag. Nate something or other, co there is no argument (yet!!) that it is the same bag.

Oh that's right. Pretty hard to dispute that!

It just all leads back to her. Prosecutors laying out a very organized concise account of all of this will be very powerful.

[ish]

LOL...that's kind of sad, only because I too, plan on holding back a little time off just in case Cindy's testimony is televised.

In honor of Casey, I will be stocking up on pork rinds and poptarts. I will also be using expensive hair products and beauty supplies that week also even though FLB that I am, I will be glued to my couch viewing the testimony in HD TV with streaming video on my laptop as a backup in case of cable failure.

I look forward to reading your posts on the action..

[kakax]

In honor of Casey, I will be stocking up on pork rinds and poptarts. I will also be using expensive hair products and beauty supplies that week also even though FLB that I am, I will be glued to my couch viewing the testimony in HD TV with streaming video on my laptop as a backup in case of cable failure.

I look forward to reading your posts on the action..

I'll be right here with you. There hasn't been a case that has captured my attention as much as this since Melanie McGuire. A few, I have followed, but nothing has had the staying power like this one. So many twists and turns, lies and "mistruths".

[DeeN]

Thank You so much for the link. I think they could have made this even longer! Don't know when it was created and posted-but I noticed that recent excerpts are not on there. Still, it is very eye opening.

Best video I have seen of Cindy anthony on talk shows.......

OMG.. This speaks volumes!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf1oC0q-2nQ&feature=related

[Julie Dupree]

I actual see Cindy as a gift from God to the prosecution. I truly believe all here lies are going to convict Casey. Everything "Casey told her" is admissible it's not hear say. There's no way Casey will take the stand so Cindy is a way for the prosecutors to bring in all Casey's lies. Imagine how much the jury will hear that the wouldn't have if Casey hadn't "told her."

Bala, I wonder if Cindy will remember all of her lies when she gets on the witness stand. I am wondering if after she spends time with AL if she will forget a lot of things.
I am hoping that the SA office can refer back to her deposition if she tries to pull this...and I am sure that Cindy told the SA office the same lies she has been telling since day one...I do not think AL has had her interview with Cindy yet.

[sydney]

Doesn't it drive you nuts, how much time we spend thinking about this imaginary person. Wondering about her cellphone and utilities and how quickly she recovered from her "accident":w00t:

yeah, and to think i worried about my kids imaginary friends....doesn't the time for imaginary friends pass at about 4 years of age? guess kc never outgrew that "phase".

[sydney]

Heck, if it isn't televised, I am not above going down there to try to get in a few days. I bet it will be very hard to get in though! I'm glad Florida is a camera friendly state!

all i have to say is this:

if they televise it, i will record......

[happygert]

yeah, and to think i worried about my kids imaginary friends....doesn't the time for imaginary friends pass at about 4 years of age? guess kc never outgrew that "phase".

Nor did cindy..cindy had imaginary addresses, and phone numbers for nanny.. whoops!..... guess it really is like mother like daughter..

[sydney]

Nor did cindy..cindy had imaginary addresses, and phone numbers for nanny.. whoops!..... guess it really is like mother like daughter..

yep. remember cindy said "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree". i wonder if they will try to argue that zanny was real, but caylee was not.

i think that can be inferred from their behaviour. they staunchly defend that there was a nanny, but caylee is by-passed as if she never existed, except as a figment of their imaginations.

(going off to cry over what i just said)

[imc_e]

I'd like to know HOW George knew the car at the tow yard had no gas in it.


Simon Burch Interview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zqUg08_c3s&feature=PlayList&p=91C9AACA7CFCC259&index=4

[Sun]

I'd like to know HOW George knew the car at the tow yard had no gas in it.

Me too. This just seems so strange.

[sydney]

I'd like to know HOW George knew the car at the tow yard had no gas in it.

very good question! i think (although i'm not sure) that he looked at the gas guage which was non-functioning, according to - guess who?

not sure though. anyone?

[happygert]

yep. remember cindy said "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree". i wonder if they will try to argue that zanny was real, but caylee was not.

i think that can be inferred from their behaviour. they staunchly defend that there was a nanny, but caylee is by-passed as if she never existed.

(going off to cry over what i just said)

No it sure doesn't.. I still say if not for the tow yard guy smelling the smell of decomp..and george saying he didn't know where his granddaughter was, and cindy being pi$$ed about the money she had to pay to get car out she would have never made that call about Caylee.. She knew LE was on their way for the stolen car and money report . she had to say something about he smell of car.. leaving it air out and using febreze an other cleaners still was not cutting the smell.

They would have explained Caylee away to family and friends that casey gave he up for adoption.. jmo..

[Kathlb]

What I am going to say is just my opinion based on what I have seen, read and heard from those in the know.

I feel that Jose Baez is a flunky. He has tried his entire career to date (which hasn't been that long) to grab onto any fly by night setup to gain notoriety. He was a go-fer and an errand boy at Lexus Nexus and a legal aid in someone else's law office. It took him forever to pass the bar and during that time he also was behind on his child support and other financial disasters. When this case came rolling by and someone gave Casey his phone number or she asked them to call him, he jumped in with both feet and hung on. If you remember there were two lawyers at first. I can't remember the first one's name, but all of a sudden he was gone and JB was front and center and has refused to give up that position since. He wants to show off for his former buddies down in Miami and make a name for himself. Nothing will get in his way including doing what is best for Casey's case. He won't do a "deal" because that would end it. He wants to stand up during trial and in front of cameras be the Perry Mason he dreams of.

The fact is, he isn't and never will be. His briefs are jumbled and he can't even file basic papers without showing he doesn't have a clue of how to do it correctly. Things that students learn and know about the law, he missed in class. And it shows to all who are watching even part time. She is guilty for sure so it really isn't a factor, especially since they brought other lawyers on board who are much more savvy than he is. I think that will stop any appeals due to an inept lawyer handling the case. So she will go down as she should but......... he will not get the notoriety that he wants. His bumbling and stupid moves will end his career other than small claims court and dead beat dads. He wanted it enough to put his marriage in jeopardy and don't think that when the money he is working on getting (another story to come to light) comes in, that she won't file on him and get most of it.

This may sound harsh, but I can't see him any other way. He should have listened to the old saying, “It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid, than to open it and remove any doubt." JMHO

[5boxersmom]

I'd like to know HOW George knew the car at the tow yard had no gas in it.


Simon Burch Interview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zqUg08_c3s&feature=PlayList&p=91C9AACA7CFCC259&index=4

Me too. I also would like to know how George got to the towyard. Did Cindy drop him off? I thought she was at work until he called her to go get the cash. :confused:

[sydney]

No it sure doesn't.. I still say if not for the tow yard guy smelling the smell of decomp..and george saying he didn't know where his granddaughter was, and cindy being pi$$ed about the money she had to pay to get car out she would have never made that call about Caylee.. She knew LE was on their way for the stolen car and money report . she had to say something about he smell of car.. leaving it air out and using febreze an other cleaners still was cutting the smell.

They would have explained Caylee away to family and friends that casey gave he up for adoption.. jmo..

(bold is mine)

that poor child would have been much better off than she was, living with the a's. she was just a showpiece to them "looka me, the perfect gramma/granddad, mother (where is that gag icon?)"

[happygert]

very good question! i think (although i'm not sure) that he looked at the gas guage which was non-functioning, according to - guess who?

not sure though. anyone?

Yes but, according to LE there was nothing wrong with the gauge..can't wait for that explaination from cindy.. Oh yes sir it was broken.. someone must have broke into tow yard and fixed it right after they put the dead body in the trunk.. or they fixed it right before they removed the body..

[sydney]

not sure if this is factual (someone please correct me if i'm wrong), but you would think that the cc statements showing kc's spending on cindy's cc would have showed up SOMETIME during this 31-day period, as well as the cost of towing the car. do you guys think that MONEY is really what prompted cindy to call the cops, instead of caylee being mia? cindy appears to me to be a material girl.

[kakax]

Just because it was driving me crazy, I found the place where they talked about the receipt in the trash bag. I couldn't remember seeing pictures of it.

Here is a link to the interview with Tone where they talked about the receipt.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5686811/Casey-Anthony-Tony-Lazzaro-transcript-Sept-8-2008

Middle of page 34 they begin discussing it. It was Nathan's receipt from back in May. This was July. Wow. Tone's excuse was that she was always cleaning up. That they all threw the bags in the back of their cars because their dumpster was at the front of the complex.

I do know that this could be true. I used to manage apartments and people would throw their garbage on their hoods or the tops of their trunks and drive it to the one dumpster at the front of the property on their way out.

What I find that is so weird is that it had been 2 months. And that was at a time that she wasn't staying their full time. She met him on May 6th right? She didn't start staying their full time until the 15th. Didn't start bringing an overnight back until June 27th.

Was she so lazy that she had that trash in their the whole time? I assumed she grabbed it after Caylee went missing. She really did treat Caylee like the trash she would take to the dumpster.

It is odd to me that the trash would be back from May. Was she hoping it would start to stink? We were talking about it earlier in the day about how clean the trash actually was. Not something that was really stinky trash like what you would have if you had kids and diapers, yogurt, milk, meat...really stinky stuff.

Anyone have any thoughts about the trash being from May? Maybe he didn't clean his wallet out until later. I'm horrible about keeping receipts in my wallet for months. Hate to say it, but if I don't change purses it could be a year before a wallet gets cleaned out fully.

Now I'm going to have to go look at Nathan's interview LOL!

[sydney]

Middle of page 34 they begin discussing it. It was Nathan's receipt from back in May. This was July.

Anyone have any thoughts about the trash being from May? Maybe he didn't clean his wallet out until later.

(snipped - great post, btw. bold is mine)

i suppose it is possible that it WAS from may. my kids NEVER clean their cars out - you never know what "treasures" you will find in there.

[happygert]

not sure if this is factual (someone please correct me if i'm wrong), but you would think that the cc statements showing kc's spending on cindy's cc would have showed up SOMETIME during this 31-day period, as well as the cost of towing the car. do you guys think that MONEY is really what prompted cindy to call the cops, instead of caylee being mia? cindy appears to me to be a material girl.

I truly believe it was the money.. not Caylee she didnt care she just wanted her dang money back..

[sydney]

I wonder why Caylee wasn't put into the dumpster along with the other trash???:(

i wonder if that was the original "plan" and then that changed. i still can't understand why caylee was left so close to kc's home. i mean, a few hours' drive to the coast (or however long it took), toss poor caylee into the ocean or a river full of 'gators and voila - no body.

i really hate to talk about things like this. it makes me want to ralph.

[kakax]

all i have to say is this:

if they televise it, i will record......

I'm so glad we have that option. We can always go back and look at what has been recorded. Always so many questions after a trial starts! People hear things differently and remember things differently.

[happygert]

You know were all chomping at the bit for this trial to start..But the one thing that keeps me going is.. It's all going to be worth the wait to see cindy on the stand..I cant wait until the State gets a hold of her..Then of course george to see what he had to say in GJ.. oh this will be worth the wait.. Then when they all come back with a guilty verdict and Caylee finally gets justice.. and To see the looks on jb and company's faces along with casey, cindy ,george and lee's.. That will be worth the wait.. Let the State do all there research on every one of these people and maybe just maybe cindy, george and lee will be charged after casey's case goes to trial... jmo

[ish]

I'll be right here with you. There hasn't been a case that has captured my attention as much as this since Melanie McGuire. A few, I have followed, but nothing has had the staying power like this one. So many twists and turns, lies and "mistruths".

Don't forget the "half truths" and the "truths that turned into half truths or mistruths" and my fav the absolute "What the he!!s" that you can't even catagorize any place else. If any case is a template for "see what happens when you don't tell the truth" it is this one. Boggles the mind, I tell you.

[Julie Dupree]

i wonder if that was the original "plan" and then that changed. i still can't understand why caylee was left so close to kc's home. i mean, a few hours' drive to the coast (or however long it took), toss poor caylee into the ocean or a river full of 'gators and voila - no body.

i really hate to talk about things like this. it makes me want to ralph.

Actually where she threw her was the ideal spot to put her...other than the dumpster...because Casey knew that area stayed underwater if there was any kind of summer rainfall..and we have rain here almost every afternoon during the summer. There are some lakes and rivers that are not to far away that reportedly have gators in them (I know the canals around KFC have them, but it would be very hard to stop the car and toss a bag in them..and she might have worried about that at other places as well). Just typing this makes my skin crawl, I can not imagine how actually thinking of and doing this would have affected me.

[ish]

Just because it was driving me crazy, I found the place where they talked about the receipt in the trash bag. I couldn't remember seeing pictures of it.

Here is a link to the interview with Tone where they talked about the receipt.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5686811/Casey-Anthony-Tony-Lazzaro-transcript-Sept-8-2008

Middle of page 34 they begin discussing it. It was Nathan's receipt from back in May. This was July. Wow. Tone's excuse was that she was always cleaning up. That they all threw the bags in the back of their cars because their dumpster was at the front of the complex.

I do know that this could be true. I used to manage apartments and people would throw their garbage on their hoods or the tops of their trunks and drive it to the one dumpster at the front of the property on their way out.

What I find that is so weird is that it had been 2 months. And that was at a time that she wasn't staying their full time. She met him on May 6th right? She didn't start staying their full time until the 15th. Didn't start bringing an overnight back until June 27th.

Was she so lazy that she had that trash in their the whole time? I assumed she grabbed it after Caylee went missing. She really did treat Caylee like the trash she would take to the dumpster.

It is odd to me that the trash would be back from May. Was she hoping it would start to stink? We were talking about it earlier in the day about how clean the trash actually was. Not something that was really stinky trash like what you would have if you had kids and diapers, yogurt, milk, meat...really stinky stuff.

Anyone have any thoughts about the trash being from May? Maybe he didn't clean his wallet out until later. I'm horrible about keeping receipts in my wallet for months. Hate to say it, but if I don't change purses it could be a year before a wallet gets cleaned out fully.

Now I'm going to have to go look at Nathan's interview LOL!

Maybe the receipt was left in the bag and the bag was stashed away for later use as a garbage bag, Casey pulled it out of the bin months later to use. Lots of times I find old receipts in bags as i use them to line the trash can in the house. I also have a catchall on the hall ledge for keys, change and what not, I'll put receipts in there to keep while I decide if i want to return something to the store. Periodically i clean it out.

[sydney]

Actually where she threw her was the ideal spot to put her...other than the dumpster...because Casey knew that area stayed underwater if there was any kind of summer rainfall..and we have rain here almost every afternoon during the summer. There are some lakes and rivers that are not to far away that reportedly have gators in them (I know the canals around KFC have them, but it would be very hard to stop the car and toss a bag in them..and she might have worried about that at other places as well). Just typing this makes my skin crawl, I can not imagine how actually thinking of and doing this would have affected me.

but (and saying this makes my skin crawl, as well) she triple-bagged caylee. wouldn't it have been better to remove the bags and let nature take its course, so to speak? i still wonder how caylee was placed caylee there with no one noticing. if she could do that, surely she could have placed caylee within gator reach, no?

[bchand]

What I am going to say is just my opinion based on what I have seen, read and heard from those in the know.

I feel that Jose Baez is a flunky. He has tried his entire career to date (which hasn't been that long) to grab onto any fly by night setup to gain notoriety. He was a go-fer and an errand boy at Lexus Nexus and a legal aid in someone else's law office. It took him forever to pass the bar and during that time he also was behind on his child support and other financial disasters. When this case came rolling by and someone gave Casey his phone number or she asked them to call him, he jumped in with both feet and hung on. If you remember there were two lawyers at first. I can't remember the first one's name, but all of a sudden he was gone and JB was front and center and has refused to give up that position since. He wants to show off for his former buddies down in Miami and make a name for himself. Nothing will get in his way including doing what is best for Casey's case. He won't do a "deal" because that would end it. He wants to stand up during trial and in front of cameras be the Perry Mason he dreams of.

The fact is, he isn't and never will be. His briefs are jumbled and he can't even file basic papers without showing he doesn't have a clue of how to do it correctly. Things that students learn and know about the law, he missed in class. And it shows to all who are watching even part time. She is guilty for sure so it really isn't a factor, especially since they brought other lawyers on board who are much more savvy than he is. I think that will stop any appeals due to an inept lawyer handling the case. So she will go down as she should but......... he will not get the notoriety that he wants. His bumbling and stupid moves will end his career other than small claims court and dead beat dads. He wanted it enough to put his marriage in jeopardy and don't think that when the money he is working on getting (another story to come to light) comes in, that she won't file on him and get most of it.

This may sound harsh, but I can't see him any other way. He should have listened to the old saying, “It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid, than to open it and remove any doubt." JMHO

I agree with all of your post Kath. And yet ....
someone actually paid him to teach law students how to prepare for a trial.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m1d27-Jose-Baez-to-teach-law-students-at-FAMU

Baez has only been an attorney for 3 years and according to the report, has "confused jurisdiction and botched a motion in the Casey Anthony case" yet he will be teaching “upper-level classes.”

Baez's salary as an instructor at FAMU is reported to be $4,500 per semester.

Unbelievable isn't it?

[kakax]

You know were all chomping at the bit for this trial to start..But the one thing that keeps me going is.. It's all going to be worth the wait to see cindy on the stand..I cant wait until the State gets a hold of her..Then of course george to see what he had to say in GJ.. oh this will be worth the wait.. Then when they all come back with a guilty verdict and Caylee finally gets justice.. and To see the looks on jb and company's faces along with casey, cindy ,george and lee's.. That will be worth the wait.. Let the State do all there research on every one of these people and maybe just maybe cindy, george and lee will be charged after casey's case goes to trial... jmo

You are so right! As much as I want it now, now, now....I want the State to have plenty of time to get all the nails they need to make this coffin never open again. That poor child didn't stand a chance. I just hope she didn't suffer at the end. I hope it was with chloroform and she just went to sleep.

Hard to talk about the evidence when you actually think about the circumstances and that it is a 2 year old. Makes me so sad. :sad:

[ish]

I'm so glad we have that option. We can always go back and look at what has been recorded. Always so many questions after a trial starts! People hear things differently and remember things differently.

I want to have all my links bookmarked so as Cindy testifies , it will be easy to reference her previous version of those events. I might have to email the prosecution to give them a heads up on the lies. What if others do to and the Blackberries start ringing in the courtroom?:scared:

[Dells]

And I believe that Tone and his roomates verified that it was similar to what they had in the trash. George, Tone, roomates, and tow truck owners testimonies will make it impossible not to believe that the trash was from her car. Cindy also commented that the smell was from the pizza.

They may try to dispute it. I hope they do. I don't think they will get very far. Not many trash bags have paper towels with grave wax on them from a person who's child is missing.

Everything is tied to that car. Their only hope is to say that that car was out of her possession. The only other people who had access to the car were George and Cindy, possibly Lee. They want to try to say Jesse but geez how many keys do people have made for cars. I thought Casey was so careful she kept one in her pocket. :rolleyes: We are expected to believe she had that many copies?

I say try it. I say they lose.

Bolding mine.....

I so agree. I think it will go that way w/all the defense strategies that they try. They can try to present any theory that they want, but none of them will have any merit and the jury will most likely quickly dismiss them. Nothing will work for "The Dream Team" because there is too much evidence that points to Casey, and Casey alone, as being the one responsible for Caylee's "terminal event". In the end, Casey will be convicted. They have nothing to lose by bringing this case to trial. If Casey pleads out now or confesses, she will go right to prison. At least if they bring this to trial, Casey can sit in jail, instead of prison, but in the end I think she will be convicted and held responsible for what she did to Caylee. Where Casey is right now will be so much better than prison is going to be for her, so she might as well draw this out as long as she can. After Casey has been in prison for a few years, she will look back at this time as the good old days.:sneaky:

[kakax]

I wonder why Caylee wasn't put into the dumpster along with the other trash???:(

So sad. I was just saying that as long as I'm looking at dates and distancing myself from the fact that it is a 2 year old I'm ok. You remember at it just takes your breath away that someone could do this to a sweet toddler.

BTW, I never understood why they call them the terrible 2's. I thought it was the terrible 3's and 4's lol! To me they are so sweet at that age, at least mine were. They got their little attitudes later than 2, you know the all out cry where they stomp their feet on the ground that makes you a little nuts, but laugh at the same time? LOL I could never keep a straight face when mine did the all out tantrum.

[ish]

very good question! i think (although i'm not sure) that he looked at the gas guage which was non-functioning, according to - guess who?

not sure though. anyone?

I think he figured it was out of gas, probably business as usual for Casey. He said in the interview, when he went home to get the paperwork , he and Cindy decided to take gas as a "just in case" I think he automatically put it in the tank prior to even attempting to start it. So he never knew definately if it was indeed out of gas.

[kakax]

i wonder if that was the original "plan" and then that changed. i still can't understand why caylee was left so close to kc's home. i mean, a few hours' drive to the coast (or however long it took), toss poor caylee into the ocean or a river full of 'gators and voila - no body.

i really hate to talk about things like this. it makes me want to ralph.

I don't understand either. In some way, I think she thought she was burying one of her hamsters. So sad.

[Julie Dupree]

but (and saying this makes my skin crawl, as well) she triple-bagged caylee. wouldn't it have been better to remove the bags and let nature take its course, so to speak? i still wonder how caylee was placed caylee there with no one noticing. if she could do that, surely she could have placed caylee within gator reach, no?

I don't think that street gets much traffic during the summer when school is not in session. Anyone on that street would have to be going to the school because the street dead ends at the school. I think she had plenty of time to drive there, get out of the car and toss Caylee away without having to worry that anyone would see her. I am not sure how much Caylee weighed, but I have a 3 yr old granddaughter and I think she weighs about 30 lbs. I am not sure if a dead body weighs more or less than a live body, but regardless tossing that much weigh around I do not think would be an easy thing to do. Certainly not carrying it a very long distance to dispose of it. Maybe she is stronger than I give her credit for and it was no big chore for her. But I think this played a big role in her decision to toss her where she did.

[Dells]

I think there were receipts from TonE's roommate in the bag. Nate something or other, co there is no argument (yet!!) that it is the same bag.

Bolding mine....

The key word is "yet". I think the defense team will dispute every single piece of evidence that they can. I think they will try to claim that the integrity of the garbage bag is in question since it was out of the car for a period of time. They defense will claim that anything incriminating that is contained in the trash bag could have been put there while it was out of the trunk of the car and in the dumpster. Their only hope will be trying to get the garbage bag and its contents not allowed in as evidence at trial. I hope it won't work. I don't think it will, but they have nothing else that they can try and really nothing to lose by trying. I expect the defense will use everything single trick and tactic that they can think of. It will certainly be very interesting to watch the pre-trial and trial unfold for this case.

[Kathlb]

I agree with all of your post Kath. And yet ....
someone actually paid him to teach law students how to prepare for a trial.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m1d27-Jose-Baez-to-teach-law-students-at-FAMU

Baez has only been an attorney for 3 years and according to the report, has "confused jurisdiction and botched a motion in the Casey Anthony case" yet he will be teaching “upper-level classes.”

Baez's salary as an instructor at FAMU is reported to be $4,500 per semester.

Unbelievable isn't it?

I know, the only thing I can say is, he's not the only dumb one around. ;-) MOO

[kakax]

I agree with all of your post Kath. And yet ....
someone actually paid him to teach law students how to prepare for a trial.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m1d27-Jose-Baez-to-teach-law-students-at-FAMU

Baez has only been an attorney for 3 years and according to the report, has "confused jurisdiction and botched a motion in the Casey Anthony case" yet he will be teaching “upper-level classes.”

Baez's salary as an instructor at FAMU is reported to be $4,500 per semester.

Unbelievable isn't it?

:blink: I'm shocked.

Any word on any of these bar complaints against Jose? I have a friend who was an atty in FL for several years. I asked him about having bar complaints against an atty and he said unfortunately in the criminal division of law they are common. I told him it wasn't from other attys or clients, it was from a judge and he was speechless. He said that was very unusual.

One of the complaints did come from Judge Strickland, right?

BTW, nice to see you bchand!

[Julie Dupree]

I know, the only thing I can say is, he's not the only dumb one around. ;-) MOO

I wonder if FAMU ever got their accreditation?

[crimeq]

some people think Casey is loving it in jail. I on the other hand feel she is HATING it. Freedom to come and go is essential to a teen/young adult. Thats why grounding is so effective....and they have tv and internet.

I'm hoping she gets life without parole. I think death is too good for her. Make her sit there for 70 more years. jmo

I don't think she's loving it, but I think she's acclimated herself to it. Sociopaths do that. She's still looking forward to getting to the beach to work on her tan, though.

[Dells]

not sure if this is factual (someone please correct me if i'm wrong), but you would think that the cc statements showing kc's spending on cindy's cc would have showed up SOMETIME during this 31-day period, as well as the cost of towing the car. do you guys think that MONEY is really what prompted cindy to call the cops, instead of caylee being mia? cindy appears to me to be a material girl.

I do think money was the primary motive for Cindy calling LE, and Caylee was secondary. I just wonder why Cindy didn't call and cancel her credit cards if she didn't want Casey to use them anymore? :shrug: It would have been priceless for Casey to have tried to make a purchase and then being told by the sales clerk that the purchase was denied.

[Julie Dupree]

You are so right! As much as I want it now, now, now....I want the State to have plenty of time to get all the nails they need to make this coffin never open again. That poor child didn't stand a chance. I just hope she didn't suffer at the end. I hope it was with chloroform and she just went to sleep.

Hard to talk about the evidence when you actually think about the circumstances and that it is a 2 year old. Makes me so sad. :sad:

I so hope you are right ka...I hope she did not even know what was happening to her and that her mother was the one killing her. Maybe if she was put the sleep and then killed, she did not suffer. Pray this is what happened.

[Deannalynn]

I am jumping in here. I have to agree w/what you say. IMO Casey cares nothing but about Casey. A very selfish person. So immersed into herself that I doubt she really knows what is going on. Except, for my op, Jose is her saviour. She appears to me being very needy.
Living in the A household and under control of a mom who cares less of her needs and I believe she has been abused verbally on a daily basis. Her mom has too high expectations of her own wants and needs(Cindy). I believe Cindy is a control freak and a crisis junkie. IMHO I could say more but...

Casey did her deed and must now face it. If she can. I doubt that. And, as far as Mr. Jose, time will tell just how much she can think how much more she can manipulate him and the others on defense team. As Mark Klass put it 'She is an odious creature'. Not the first and certainly not the last.

Just voicing my opinion.

BG

Thanks for your opinion. I completely agree with you...Casey is not capable of loving anyone but herself. I wonder about JB. I don't think she's manipulating him. I think they are using each other. Casey thinks JB will get her off and JB knows she not wrapped too tight. One is playing the other. As far as the defense "team" I'm sure they are all aware that Casey indeed killed her own daughter. Look at it this way, it's been waaaay over a year and Casey can no longer say she's protecting the family. This BS about Casey is trying to give clues is ridiculous. You either tell them or you keep your mouth shut. There's no in between when you are protecting "the family."
This murder case is nothing but a joke and the police are not handling it and never did like they should have. I think they should have ripped her apart from the time they discovered there was no Universal studios. Come on, she was willing to take them all the way inside the building FGS. Then the "Sawgrass apartments" what were they thinking is the question.

I read today that JB says there will be a AHA moment in this case.
I'm looking forward to that "A HA" moment. I bet Casey and JB are too..
They had their "A HA" moment. The day Caylee's remains were found...:glare:
Cindy is a "crisis junkie" This time she bit off more than she could chew.
JMO

[kakax]

Bolding mine.....

I so agree. I think it will go that way w/all the defense strategies that they try. They can try to present any theory that they want, but none of them will have any merit and the jury will most likely quickly dismiss them. Nothing will work for "The Dream Team" because there is too much evidence that points to Casey, and Casey alone, as being the one responsible for Caylee's "terminal event". In the end, Casey will be convicted. They have nothing to lose by bringing this case to trial. If Casey pleads out now or confesses, she will go right to prison. At least if they bring this to trial, Casey can sit in jail, instead of prison, but in the end I think she will be convicted and held responsible for what she did to Caylee. Where Casey is right now will be so much better than prison is going to be for her, so she might as well draw this out as long as she can. After Casey has been in prison for a few years, she will look back at this time as the good old days.:sneaky:

Agreed.

I'm not sure I really care that much if she gets the death penalty. Just that it is being held over her head right now makes me satisfied. I will wait until the trial before I decide if I agree with her getting the death penalty. No way I could be on this jury. In my mind, there isn't a question she is guilty of first degree murder. There isn't much she could say to sway me at this point. Even if she had a come to Jesus moment and pled at this point saying it was an accident, I wouldn't buy it.

[Deannalynn]

I do think money was the primary motive for Cindy calling LE, and Caylee was secondary. I just wonder why Cindy didn't call and cancel her credit cards if she didn't want Casey to use them anymore? :shrug: It would have been priceless for Casey to have tried to make a purchase and then being told by the sales clerk that the purchase was denied.

Spot on, from what I recently read. Cindy is a CJ. (Crisis Junkie)
Cindy calling the credit card company and putting a stop payment on the card would have been too easy. The two of them had many fights and throw downs. Is Cindy scared of Casey? hmmmm...
jmo

[crimeq]

Did you see her reaction when the interviewer asked Cindy if she had ever thought that things would be different if she had called the police earlier about her granddaughter?

She immediately slapped her hand to her chest like she had been hit. Has she not been asked that before? Had she not thought of that before? Was she just shocked that someone had the gall to put any personaly responsibility on her?

You would think she had been stabbed!!

I noticed. Her response was similar to one she had in an interview appearance with Jose, when he said something about a situation like this would make anyone act crazy! Cindy swung her head to the side just like she'd been slapped. She didn't like the inference at all.

She does NOT like to be called on her behavior.

[Julie Dupree]

Agreed.

I'm not sure I really care that much if she gets the death penalty. Just that it is being held over her head right now makes me satisfied. I will wait until the trial before I decide if I agree with her getting the death penalty. No way I could be on this jury. In my mind, there isn't a question she is guilty of first degree murder. There isn't much she could say to sway me at this point. Even if she had a come to Jesus moment and pled at this point saying it was an accident, I wouldn't buy it.

Thanks for that chuckle you just gave me ka...My mom used to say that all the time when she had confront someone...a "come to Jesus meeting".

I would love being on this jury (but I know there is no chance that will ever happen). I would love to see evidence to prove to me she did not do this horrible thing to her own daughter. I do not think it is possible, but I would like to see it. I think what she did is the most despicable thing a mother could ever do to her child.

[kakax]

yep. remember cindy said "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree". i wonder if they will try to argue that zanny was real, but caylee was not.

i think that can be inferred from their behaviour. they staunchly defend that there was a nanny, but caylee is by-passed as if she never existed, except as a figment of their imaginations.

(going off to cry over what i just said)




This is a great post! They sure have acted that way. Imagine not wanting to turn over evidence to the State about your granddaughter's murder. Having to almost be dragged into court to give it.

[Julie Dupree]

This is a great post! They sure have acted that way. Imagine not wanting to turn over evidence to the State about your granddaughter's murder. Having to almost be dragged into court to give it.

:) that nice lady with the badge wasn't dragging her but she was determined to see to it that Cindy showed up for her appointment with the SA's office. Gotta love those nice ladies with the OCSD badges.

[bchand]

:blink: I'm shocked.

Any word on any of these bar complaints against Jose? I have a friend who was an atty in FL for several years. I asked him about having bar complaints against an atty and he said unfortunately in the criminal division of law they are common. I told him it wasn't from other attys or clients, it was from a judge and he was speechless. He said that was very unusual.

One of the complaints did come from Judge Strickland, right?

BTW, nice to see you bchand!

Hi kakax - good to see you too but glad you're enjoying real life also.

Yes one of the complaints came from Judge Strickland AFAIK we still don't know what it was about.

Someone said he found something out and it was his duty to report it.

Can you imagine if you were paying for law school and found out this bozo was one of your instructors?

eta: meaning Baez, not Strickland !! lol

[kakax]

I don't think she's loving it, but I think she's acclimated herself to it. Sociopaths do that. She's still looking forward to getting to the beach to work on her tan, though.


And be a part of missing children's organizations. Can you believe that???? Like she would be of ANY help.:scared:

[kakax]

Thanks for that chuckle you just gave me ka...My mom used to say that all the time when she had confront someone...a "come to Jesus meeting".

I would love being on this jury (but I know there is no chance that will ever happen). I would love to see evidence to prove to me she did not do this horrible thing to her own daughter. I do not think it is possible, but I would like to see it. I think what she did is the most despicable thing a mother could ever do to her child.


I don't think any message board posters would be able to be on this jury. We are too informed LOL! I would love to see it too though! I will have to hope that they will put it on court tv or live stream it. If not I will be desperate for blog updates from the court room.

Just followed a case in Ohio that way and it wasn't that bad. Was an interesting way to follow a case, but there is nothing like seeing it with your own eyes!

[kakax]

Hi kakax - good to see you too but glad you're enjoying real life also.

Yes one of the complaints came from Judge Strickland AFAIK we still don't know what it was about.

Someone said he found something out and it was his duty to report it.

Can you imagine if you were paying for law school and found out this bozo was one of your instructors?

eta: meaning Baez, not Strickland !! lol


Kath had a good point...is this place accredited? I can't imagine a school would want to be associated with him and all of his blunders. He might have too many questions for them LOL!

[crimeq]

And be a part of missing children's organizations. Can you believe that???? Like she would be of ANY help.:scared:

That amazed me! I think she said that to encourage LE and the public to believe in her sincerity about concern for her own "missing" child. I think she always wrote her own script and worked pretty hard on it, but it just wasn't good enough--she's just not that good enough.

Not a Mental 10, not at all.

[Julie Dupree]

I don't think any message board posters would be able to be on this jury. We are too informed LOL! I would love to see it too though! I will have to hope that they will put it on court tv or live stream it. If not I will be desperate for blog updates from the court room.

Just followed a case in Ohio that way and it wasn't that bad. Was an interesting way to follow a case, but there is nothing like seeing it with your own eyes!

I have never followed a trial on TV and never became this engrossed in any crime as much as I am in this one...but this is one that I am looking forward to seeing. I think it will be televised locally, online, if not live coverage. I don't think I would try to get into the court room (I don't think I would be able to attend even if I wanted to), but this is one of times I would enjoy being there.