8/14, 8/15, 8/16

[kakax]

July 3 is when she sent Lee to look for Casey and when she posted the "Caylee is Missing" on Facebook. I think she was on vacation that week so not sure if she was driving by Amscot twice a day then. I think they new the car was there and was hoping it would be stolen but when they got the letter it had been towed it ruined their plans. JMO

That was my original thought too. At least Casey may have wanted her car to be stolen. But crazy she went back with gas for it. There is just no telling how her mind was working. The story just makes no sense at all. You can't make it make sense.

[happygert]

The trial will be interesting to see how they piece all the dates together. All the pieces of the puzzle will come together to form the strong picture of what she did, and when.

Listening to Burch's interview again he stated that Cindy had asked him why she wasn't notified until 11 days after, he said he can't control the postal system, and the 4th was a holiday which sounds like thats the day the automated letter was sent out.

Still, the holiday would not have slowed the mail down a week.

Then the Anthonys claim that they didn't see the letter right away.

To me, this is hogwash.

ITA! Total BS...

[Julie Dupree]

That is unbelievable! Just recently!

07/10/09
ABA Journal
Florida A&M Law Breathes Sigh of Relief, Gets ABA Accreditation

[openminded]

Did you see her reaction when the interviewer asked Cindy if she had ever thought that things would be different if she had called the police earlier about her granddaughter?

She immediately slapped her hand to her chest like she had been hit. Has she not been asked that before? Had she not thought of that before? Was she just shocked that someone had the gall to put any personaly responsibility on her?

You would think she had been stabbed!!

(bolding to address)

The answer, IMO, is definitely yes. From the first moment I saw Cindy, which on Nancy's show when LE was digging in the backyard, it was obvious to me that she did not like being questioned about anything. With certain reporters, she would answer some questions civilly but overall her attitude, to me, was one of "how dare you question anything I've done."

[Julie Dupree]

That was my original thought too. At least Casey may have wanted her car to be stolen. But crazy she went back with gas for it. There is just no telling how her mind was working. The story just makes no sense at all. You can't make it make sense.

I am not so sure she did get gas for it. I know she asked Amy to help her get some gas cans but I do not think she actually ever got gas and went over to retrieve it.

[Julie Dupree]

(bolding to address)

The answer, IMO, is definitely yes. From the first moment I saw Cindy, which on Nancy's show when LE was digging in the backyard, it was obvious to me that she did not like being questioned about anything. With certain reporters, she would answer some questions civilly but overall her attitude, to me, was one of "how dare you question anything I've done."

I do not have the link for it......but her interview with Megan on FOX was one of the best I have ever seen. I will look for it, it was really really good!

[kakax]

I am not so sure she did get gas for it. I know she asked Amy to help her get some gas cans but I do not think she actually ever got gas and went over to retrieve it.

I guess I am trying to put too much logic into it. Why would she ask Amy to buy a gas can?

Maybe it was like I was thinking earlier. Casey couldn't decide what story to use. Maybe she just didn't think she needed a story. I always thought she wanted to go to CA so she could say that Caylee was with Cindy and she could tell Cindy she wanted to bond with Caylee. I also thought she wanted the car to be stolen after the smell arose unexpectedly. Maybe her new love Tone made her change her plans about wanting to go to CA.

I just don't get it!

[bchand]

Wasn't the other one from dc?

Yes it was happygert.

http://crimesearchersonline.com/index.php?option=com_myblog&show=Caseys-Complaints-against-Jose-Baez-escalated.html&Itemid=9

[imc_e]

At 45 seconds into this clip, Simon Burch says George was not informed by him, or the certified letter that car had been at Amscot, yet George knew.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv1nM9a5n4Q&feature=PlayList&p=91C9AACA7CFCC259&index=5

[kakax]

I do not have the link for it......but her interview with Megan on FOX was one of the best I have ever seen. I will look for it, it was really really good!


Loved that with Megyn. Megyn did NOT suck up to Cindy that is for sure!

[Sun]

I don't think any message board posters would be able to be on this jury. We are too informed LOL! I would love to see it too though! I will have to hope that they will put it on court tv or live stream it. If not I will be desperate for blog updates from the court room.

Just followed a case in Ohio that way and it wasn't that bad. Was an interesting way to follow a case, but there is nothing like seeing it with your own eyes!

A person that has followed the case from the beginning, reading and discussing the Discovery, might become a bit frustrated sitting on the Jury. Some things that we all know about this case, will never be shown to the Jury. However, I imagine that there will be some things shown to the Jury that we have never seen/heard before.... though we may have speculated on them.

[kakax]

At 45 seconds into this clip, Simon Burch says George was not informed by him, or the certified letter that car had been at Amscot, yet George knew.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv1nM9a5n4Q&feature=PlayList&p=91C9AACA7CFCC259&index=5


Now that you say that, I remember that little tidbit. Very interesting!

[Pruddennce]

Thanks for the replies about George knowing the gas tank was empty without anyone telling him it was.

I am suspicious of that, among other things..(who isn't)

Of interest is that the car was at the tow yard for two weeks, that a letter was sent out on the 4th day, and it was legally at a point where the tow company could auction it to pay the fees.

Also the car sat at Amscot for 3 days.

Total of 17 days.

Are we to believe that George and Cindy were not aware the car was in the tow yard for 10 days after the letter was sent out?

I just don't believe them.

my bold. I dont believe them either.

because they are liars and their stories dont match up.

George states in his interview with LE, the day of the gas can day is the day that Cindy went to Universal. Cindy says otherwise. she says July 3rd, as if TWO visits isnt possible? she was being baited by Casey.....more than once IMO.

George claims that Casey took Cindy's car, after the gas can incident, unsure of the exact day, and left 'her' car in front of the house because 'it wasnt running right'...... and had Cindy's vehicle the afternoon and early evening<----Cindy claims it never happened.

Also, if the car sat in front of the house "with something wrong with it', GA didnt open the car or lift the hood up or smell it? I dont believe she left her car there. but I do believe she took Cindy's vehicle for a day out AFTER the gas can incident.

I also recall someone's interview describing Casey being in another vehicle (not Tony's and not Amy's). A dark colored vehicle, matching the description of Cindy's (I need to try to recollect whose interview that was....)

something is not right with the story.

something is not right with ANYTHING they 'recollect' regarding the moment Casey left and her comings and goings.......although Cindy has a perfect memory when it comes to reiterating 'what casey told her' about zanny and annabelle, jennifer, jeff et al, the accident, the dates.

and yet, they all came up with the 8th of June as the last time Cindy saw Caylee, GA the 9th and casey the 9th. However, then Cindy says the 14th is the 'last time Caylee was with Casey'. (america's newsroom interview).

car chase: he makes comments about the toll booth, etc. (then of course starts talking nonsense, going off track)..... there isnt anything on the ez pass statements to match up to his story, but I DO BELIEVE she took Cindy's car. another blowup fight IMO, after the gas can incident.....

this interview was the most interesting of all.....Casey and her NANNY resume is in it as well.....along with GA saying she stole from their bank account. and that alot of their financial problems can be attributed to Casey as well as himself.

all of the above can be found here:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-07/48370053.pdf

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[kakax]

my bold. I dont believe them either.

because they are liars and their stories dont match up.

George states in his interview with LE, the day of the gas can day is the day that Cindy went to Universal. Cindy says otherwise. she says July 3rd, as if TWO visits isnt possible? she was being baited by Casey.....more than once IMO.

George claims that Casey took Cindy's car, after the gas can incident, unsure of the exact day, and left 'her' car in front of the house because 'it wasnt running right'...... and had Cindy's vehicle the afternoon and early evening<----Cindy claims it never happened.

Also, if the car sat in front of the house "with something wrong with it', GA didnt open the car or lift the hood up or smell it? I dont believe she left her car there. but I do believe she took Cindy's vehicle for a day out AFTER the gas can incident.

I also recall someone's interview describing Casey being in another vehicle (not Tony's and not Amy's). A dark colored vehicle, matching the description of Cindy's (I need to try to recollect whose interview that was....)

something is not right with the story.

something is not right with ANYTHING they 'recollect' regarding the moment Casey left and her comings and goings.......although Cindy has a perfect memory when it comes to reiterating 'what casey told her' about zanny and annabelle, jennifer, jeff et al, the accident, the dates.

and yet, they all came up with the 8th of June as the last time Cindy saw Caylee, GA the 9th and casey the 9th. However, then Cindy says the 14th is the 'last time Caylee was with Casey'. (america's newsroom interview).

car chase: he makes comments about the toll booth, etc. (then of course starts talking nonsense, going off track)..... there isnt anything on the ez pass statements to match up to his story, but I DO BELIEVE she took Cindy's car. another blowup fight IMO, after the gas can incident.....

this interview was the most interesting of all.....Casey and her NANNY resume is in it as well.....along with GA saying she stole from their bank account. and that alot of their financial problems can be attributed to Casey as well as himself.

all of the above can be found here:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-07/48370053.pdf

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

As always, great post!

Missed you, Pru!!:wub:

[Sun]

Hi kakax - good to see you too but glad you're enjoying real life also.

Yes one of the complaints came from Judge Strickland AFAIK we still don't know what it was about.

Someone said he found something out and it was his duty to report it.

Can you imagine if you were paying for law school and found out this bozo was one of your instructors?

eta: meaning Baez, not Strickland !! lol

Judge Strickland not only filed a complaint against Baez, but also against Conway. IIRC, Conway did appear with DCasey when DCasey was interviewed by LE (shortly after Dec 11th). It's always been my belief that something found out in the interview (the part that was not released to the public), was the reason for the complaints to the Bar.

[Julie Dupree]

I do not have the link for it......but her interview with Megan on FOX was one of the best I have ever seen. I will look for it, it was really really good!

I found it..

http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/m/20463491/search-for-caylee.htm#q=cindy+anthony

[Julie Dupree]

Judge Strickland not only filed a complaint against Baez, but also against Conway. IIRC, Conway did appear with DCasey when DCasey was interviewed by LE (shortly after Dec 11th). It's always been my belief that something found out in the interview (the part that was not released to the public), was the reason for the complaints to the Bar.


OHHHHHHHHH thanks Sun, I did not know that Judge Strickland filed a complaint against Conway. When did he do this? I think it had to do with DC being told not to call authorities if he found Caylee.

[imc_e]

At 45 seconds into this clip, Simon Burch says George was not informed by him, or the certified letter that car had been at Amscot, yet George knew.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv1nM9a5n4Q&feature=PlayList&p=91C9AACA7CFCC259&index=5


Adding that I just found that George asked Nicole Lett (Johnsons Wrecker employee) where the car had been towed from..

Transcript of Nicole Lett interview, p. 3, l. 12-16.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV-cMa8J-ys&feature=related

:wink:

[Sun]

OHHHHHHHHH thanks Sun, I did not know that Judge Strickland filed a complaint against Conway. When did he do this? I think it had to do with DC being told not to call authorities if he found Caylee.

Very possibly related to that issue. Here are some of my notes from back then.

Jose Baez has been investigated by the Florida Bar before, but now sources tell Eyewitness News it's the judge in the case against Casey that's filed a complaint against Casey Anthony's own attorney.

Eyewitness News has learned Circuit Judge Stan Strickland is one of two people who have filed new complaints against Jose Baez. The Florida Bar says both investigations involve Baez's former private eye, Dominic Casey. He's the guy who was at the remains scene a month before detectives found Caylee.

It's very rare for a judge to file a complaint like this, but all judges are obligated as attorneys to report possible violations.

LEGAL ANALYST: Sheaffer On Judge Complaint
http://www.wftv.com/video/19130257/index.html

VIDEO REPORT: Judge Files Complaint
http://www.wftv.com/video/19131106/index.html

Article:
http://www.wftv.com/news/19130417/detail.html

[ttcRider]

I found it..

http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/m/20463491/search-for-caylee.htm#q=cindy+anthony

that was a great clip! ..more than what the family has done. :laugh:

[Julie Dupree]

Very possibly related to that issue. Here are some of my notes from back then.

Jose Baez has been investigated by the Florida Bar before, but now sources tell Eyewitness News it's the judge in the case against Casey that's filed a complaint against Casey Anthony's own attorney.

Eyewitness News has learned Circuit Judge Stan Strickland is one of two people who have filed new complaints against Jose Baez. The Florida Bar says both investigations involve Baez's former private eye, Dominic Casey. He's the guy who was at the remains scene a month before detectives found Caylee.

It's very rare for a judge to file a complaint like this, but all judges are obligated as attorneys to report possible violations.

LEGAL ANALYST: Sheaffer On Judge Complaint
http://www.wftv.com/video/19130257/index.html

VIDEO REPORT: Judge Files Complaint
http://www.wftv.com/video/19131106/index.html

Article:
http://www.wftv.com/news/19130417/detail.html

Thanks Sun...according to Bill Sheaffer he thinks there may be more to the complaint than JB telling him not to call the authorities...very interesting. Is this about the same time that the complaint was filed against Conway also?

[Julie Dupree]

that was a great clip! ..more than what the family has done. :laugh:

:) wasn't that priceless!!!!

[Julie Dupree]

Here is another one with Megan from FOX...:)

http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/m/20545668/shocking-new-allegations.htm#q=cindy+anthony

[Sun]

Thanks Sun...according to Bill Sheaffer he thinks there may be more to the complaint than JB telling him not to call the authorities...very interesting. Is this about the same time that the complaint was filed against Conway also?

Yes, I believe so.

[Julie Dupree]

Good for Megan. And she was right. Casey knew exactly where Caylee was. Cindy Anthony is one twisted person.

This is one reporter that reported things the way there are, not the way Cindy said they should be...gotta love Megan:wub:

[Julie Dupree]

I never seen this before. Her defense attorney indicates they have some witnesses who have come forward with information on Casey's Nanny. They have seen these witnesses and talked to them.?:confused:.
Okay...:huh:Are there friends of Casey's we don't know about? Is it Zaneida they are talking about?
He says they have talked to these people and they have turned it in to the prosecutors. If these are out right lies why would he share this with everyone. Is there a possibility that Caylee was abducted or taken. He also indicates that the Nanny called Casey on the same day that Cindy called 911.
They need to get this trial under way...
JMO

I had not seen this clip before...I was shocked that they would actually say they had spoken with someone else that knew Zanny...or rather someone who was willing to lie and say they knew her. There are no record of this call on her phone records.

[Julie Dupree]

There are pages and pages of clips of Megan interviews at this link. Her's are "More from US"

http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/search?content=Video&q=cindy%20anthony&start=10

[Julie Dupree]

Megan has always been straight forward with everyone.
Don't aggravate or insult her cause she will chew you up and spit you out...:thumbup:


Do you see me smiling...I really do like this lady.

[Dells]

Here is another one with Megan from FOX...:)

http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/m/20545668/shocking-new-allegations.htm#q=cindy+anthony

Very interesting link, thanks for sharing it!

To me it was very clearly obvious that the attorney was lying during that interview. In the video he said that they have located people that knew Zanny the nanny, that Casey was working for promotion companies at the time some of the pictures were taken at Fusian and that she had also received paychecks for that work, and he also said that they were in the process of tracking down the phone call that Caylee made to Casey on the day that Cindy called 911. I do understand how attorneys want to protect their clients, but in my book it is not okay to go on national TV and blatantly lie about what you know about your client's case.:thumbdown: I am sorry, but that whole interview left a really bad taste in my mouth.:sneaky:

I wonder what happened to this particular attorney? Why is he no longer associated w/the case?

[imc_e]

Megan has always been straight forward with everyone.
Don't aggravate or insult her cause she will chew you up and spit you out...:thumbup:

Gotta Like it!

She is soft and pretty but tough as nails!

:thumbsup:

[Julie Dupree]

Yes, I believe so.

Thanks so much Sun. If you find that link, please let us know.
I have to run, have a great week end. We are going deep sea fishing this week end if the "tidal wave" doesn't keep us grounded.
See everyone Monday.
Julie

[really3997]

Cindy's argument that a body was placed in the car after it reached the tow yard is going to be shot down by her own daughter's texting of the dead squirrels plastered to the undercarriage. There was a smell in the car long before Cindy knew about it.

I'm just hoping that someone (SA, judge, def) chews her up over her lies and finally breaks that rebellious spirit of hers.

not to mention all the barbed wire on the fence that surrounds the lot

[ttcRider]

Cindy's argument that a body was placed in the car after it reached the tow yard is going to be shot down by her own daughter's texting of the dead squirrels plastered to the undercarriage. There was a smell in the car long before Cindy knew about it.

I'm just hoping that someone (SA, judge, def) chews her up over her lies and finally breaks that rebellious spirit of hers.

I just can't get over the fact that they are getting away with all these lies. Is this normal in the eyes of the law? (I know nothing about the A's is normal but YNWIM) :confused:

[martha]

the story casey is telling is not something I would believe and the things lee c,and g or telling I don;t believe eather. I just wish there was someone who really knew the truth. Maybe the proc.with bring out some truth at trial time.that is all I can hope for.jmho

[martha]

boy it sure is slow on here tonight where is everyone? I guess we just don;t have much to talk about right now. I just will never give up on getting justice for CAYLEE.jmho

[Dells]

I just can't get over the fact that they are getting away with all these lies. Is this normal in the eyes of the law? (I know nothing about the A's is normal but YNWIM) :confused:

I so agree w/you. And it is not only The Anthony's. In a link that someone posted earlier, one of Casey's first attorneys was being interviewed by someone at Fox news and he was saying that they found people that knew Zanny, and that Casey was being paid by a promotion company to work at Fusian, and that Caylee did call Casey on the day that Cindy reported her missing, etc. All BLATANT lies. I know a newsroom is not a court of law, but to me it seems like attorneys should have some sort of ethical obligation not to go on national TV and spew lies. It's despicable.:thumbdown:

[Dells]

the story casey is telling is not something I would believe and the things lee c,and g or telling I don;t believe eather. I just wish there was someone who really knew the truth. Maybe the proc.with bring out some truth at trial time.that is all I can hope for.jmho

Someone does know the truth about what happened. That person is Casey Anthony, but she will never, ever tell the truth about what she did to Caylee. She will take her secrets to her grave. I think the prosecution, to the best of their ability, will present what happened to Caylee, but no one will ever know the true horror that little Caylee went through. Casey truly and completely sickens me.:thumbdown:

[ttcRider]

Even Casey says she is disheartened by all the lying!! :laugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiq6BEW7ygA

[martha]

I so agree w/you. And it is not only The Anthony's. In a link that someone posted earlier, one of Casey's first attorneys was being interviewed by someone at Fox news and he was saying that they found people that knew Zanny, and that Casey was being paid by a promotion company to work at Fusian, and that Caylee did call Casey on the day that Cindy reported her missing, etc. All BLATANT lies. I know a newsroom is not a court of law, but to me it seems like attorneys should have some sort of ethical obligation not to go on national TV and spew lies. It's despicable.:thumbdown:

ITA with you that is just awful. they know none of that is true. they can;t even find one call on casey;s phone to zanny. I guess it is just for ratings. The lawyer is trying to cause resonal doubt. someone needs to go on and tell the truth for once.jmho

[Dells]

boy it sure is slow on here tonight where is everyone? I guess we just don;t have much to talk about right now. I just will never give up on getting justice for CAYLEE.jmho

It has been so slow lately because nothing new has happened recently. It seems that just us die hard followers are here. I am sure there are a lot of people lurking and as soon as things heat up in this trial things will be busy here again. There is a hearing next Friday so it should get busy around here then. There are some very important motions that are going to be heard. We'll get to see Casey and George and Cindy in court again. I wonder which of Casey's attorneys will be there? You know JB will be there, but I wonder if LKB and/or AL will be there as well? It's on a Friday so AL should be able to make it, even w/her busy teaching schedule and all.:rolleyes:

There are a lot of us that aren't going to give up on this case until Caylee gets the justice she deserves.:thumbup:

[Sun]

Very interesting link, thanks for sharing it!

To me it was very clearly obvious that the attorney was lying during that interview. In the video he said that they have located people that knew Zanny the nanny, that Casey was working for promotion companies at the time some of the pictures were taken at Fusian and that she had also received paychecks for that work, and he also said that they were in the process of tracking down the phone call that Caylee made to Casey on the day that Cindy called 911. I do understand how attorneys want to protect their clients, but in my book it is not okay to go on national TV and blatantly lie about what you know about your client's case.:thumbdown: I am sorry, but that whole interview left a really bad taste in my mouth.:sneaky:

I wonder what happened to this particular attorney? Why is he no longer associated w/the case?

I've also wondered the same thing. Perhaps when the Grand Jury indicted Casey for Murder, Walsh didn't sign on to represent Casey under those new charges. In fact, I couldn't find where he had ever filed a notice of appearance to the court (his name is nowhere to be found on the Clerk of Courts records for any of Casey's cases). Though I do recall him sitting at the defense table at least during one hearing when Casey was present. IIRC, he may only have visited Casey in the jail 2-3 times total, and Baez was always there with him.

[kakax]

Even Casey says she is disheartened by all the lying!! :laugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiq6BEW7ygA


All I can say is Casey has balls. She is being arrested yet she is questioning them on how they are doing their investigation rofl! The way she is talking, she acts so dam*ed superior. It is sickening. I'll tell you what is very frustrating and disheartening....Casey hasn't been able to say ONE word except for her name and date of birth that is the truth!!!!!

[Dells]

Even Casey says she is disheartened by all the lying!! :laugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiq6BEW7ygA

Oh, Casey is really a piece of work. She is the Queen Bee of all the lying and she has the gall to say that she is disheartened by all the lying that is going on.:rolleyes:

[ttcRider]

Oh, Casey is really a piece of work. She is the Queen Bee of all the lying and she has the gall to say that she is disheartened by all the lying that is going on.:rolleyes:

She really is 'unbeliveable'! :laugh:

[Dells]

ITA with you that is just awful. they know none of that is true. they can;t even find one call on casey;s phone to zanny. I guess it is just for ratings. The lawyer is trying to cause resonal doubt. someone needs to go on and tell the truth for once.jmho

I can see how the news program is doing it for ratings, but to me personally, it is unethical for an attorney to go on national TV and create reasonable doubt about his client's case by lying about it.:thumbdown: I think attorney's should have a professional and moral obligation to be truthful whether they are in a court of law or not. If the only things they have to say to help their client's case are a pack of lies, then they just need to say "no comment".

[martha]

Oh, Casey is really a piece of work. She is the Queen Bee of all the lying and she has the gall to say that she is disheartened by all the lying that is going on.:rolleyes:
If she is dishearted then she need to stop and so does the rest of the an;s.that is who is lying. I think casey dont want to see any of her family because she knows they know she killed CAYLEE.JMHO:wub:

[Dells]

All I can say is Casey has balls. She is being arrested yet she is questioning them on how they are doing their investigation rofl! The way she is talking, she acts so dam*ed superior. It is sickening. I'll tell you what is very frustrating and disheartening....Casey hasn't been able to say ONE word except for her name and date of birth that is the truth!!!!!

I can't believe Casey's demeanor during that secret recording. She's being arrested for the murder of her daughter and she is talking in a monotone in a very detached sort of way. What a piece of work!:sneaky:

[Dells]

She really is 'unbeliveable'! :laugh:

LOL!:laugh:

[kakax]

I would have to say evil inside and out when you see this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ocPLQY1xzo&feature=related

Oh she is the epitome of evil!

[Sun]

I can't believe Casey's demeanor during that secret recording. She's being arrested for the murder of her daughter and she is talking in a monotone in a very detached sort of way. What a piece of work!:sneaky:

I hope that the State is able to make a jury feel just exactly like you do. IMO, the type of person that Casey is, makes her a danger to society. I hope that she never sees freedom for as long as she lives.

[AnniePie]

I'd like to know HOW George knew the car at the tow yard had no gas in it.


Simon Burch Interview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zqUg08_c3s&feature=PlayList&p=91C9AACA7CFCC259&index=4

Thanks for posting that link, CE! I had never listened to Simon's interview before, and that was very informative. He sounds like a really good guy.

[AnniePie]

No it sure doesn't.. I still say if not for the tow yard guy smelling the smell of decomp..and george saying he didn't know where his granddaughter was, and cindy being pi$$ed about the money she had to pay to get car out she would have never made that call about Caylee.. She knew LE was on their way for the stolen car and money report . she had to say something about he smell of car.. leaving it air out and using febreze an other cleaners still was not cutting the smell.

They would have explained Caylee away to family and friends that casey gave he up for adoption.. jmo..

By the sound of it, George apologized many times for Cindy's beotchiness. I think he was used to having that responsibility.

(Just a second... I had a twinge of sadness for George right there! :scared: Someone slap me silly!!)

[ttcRider]

By the sound of it, George apologized many times for Cindy's beotchiness. I think he was used to having that responsibility.

(Just a second... I had a twinge of sadness for George right there! :scared: Someone slap me silly!!)

yeah - I had to look again at who was posting this!! :scared:

[kakax]

By the sound of it, George apologized many times for Cindy's beotchiness. I think he was used to having that responsibility.

(Just a second... I had a twinge of sadness for George right there! :scared: Someone slap me silly!!)

Annie, what has happened to you? LOL

Good to you see you!!!

[AnniePie]

Even Casey says she is disheartened by all the lying!! :laugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiq6BEW7ygA

Aww, poor thing. She's also very disillusioned with LE with the way they've been handling her case. It's "very unfortunate" that she's lived in Orlando almost all her life, and this is how LE treats her.

Yep she's very sensitive, that girl. :laugh:

[Dells]

By the sound of it, George apologized many times for Cindy's beotchiness. I think he was used to having that responsibility.

(Just a second... I had a twinge of sadness for George right there! :scared: Someone slap me silly!!)

Bolding mine...

If ever you feel any sadness for George, just take a look at his deposition in the ZFG civil suit. It should clear it right up.:sneaky:

George has that way about him. Just when he gets us feeling sorry for him, he pulls some stunt to bring us all back to reality.:sneaky:

[AnniePie]

yeah - I had to look again at who was posting this!! :scared:

I had a glass of koolaid this evening with supper. :w00t: Could that be it?! :scared:

[ttcRider]

I had a glass of koolaid this evening with supper. :w00t: Could that be it?! :scared:

It wasn't 'grape' was it? :wink:

[AnniePie]

Annie, what has happened to you? LOL

Good to you see you!!!

Good to see you too, kakax!

It was just a momentary lapse (I hope). If this happens too often I could lose my FLaB membership!!

[Dells]

Aww, poor thing. She's also very disillusioned with LE with the way they've been handling her case. It's "very unfortunate" that she's lived in Orlando almost all her life, and this is how LE treats her.

Yep she's very sensitive, that girl. :laugh:

Oh, yes so unfortunate.:sneaky: Casey should take a long hard look at how she treated her friends. Lying and stealing from them, it's truly shameful. Now her attorneys and her family are trying to somehow figure out a way to throw them under the bus and pin Caylee's murder on them.

Does Casey realize that she herself dictated the way the LE would treat her? She didn't report her child missing for 31 days and then the information that she gave them to help try to find her daughter was a pack of lies. How did she expect they would treat her?

If anybody is guilty of mistreating people, it's Casey.

[AnniePie]

Bolding mine...

If ever you feel any sadness for George, just take a look at his deposition in the ZFG civil suit. It should clear it right up.:sneaky:

George has that way about him. Just when he gets us feeling sorry for him, he pulls some stunt to bring us all back to reality.:sneaky:

That is so true.

How come we never have that same little twinge for Cindy, I wonder.

[ttcRider]

That is so true.

How come we never have that same little twinge for Cindy, I wonder.

She doesnt bring out that warm fuzzy feeling in me either! :lol:

[AnniePie]

She doesnt bring out that warm fuzzy feeling in me either! :lol:

She brings out feelings in me that I had heretofore reserved for my ex-husband. :biggrin:

[ttcRider]

Poor George. He's sitting in on his own deposition minding his own business and what does he get? ZFG's attorney flips him off.:tonguewag:

Where's your compassion.:lol:

was that not one of the funniest things you've seen!!? Cracks me up just thinking about it again, thanks. :laugh:

[summer]

That is so true.

How come we never have that same little twinge for Cindy, I wonder.

Such a great question! :laugh:

IMO the woman has no redeeming qualities. None. Isn't that something? I've never once felt even a twinge of sympathy for her. I've felt it for the most despicable criminals on the planet (I've even had twinges for Casey on occasion - miniscule and fleeting LOL) but I'm stone cold when it comes to her.

I'm not exactly sure why but I think she's pretty much the epitome of evil incarnate.

[need2no]

I have been reading back a long way...
Since we are here I have a question I have been meaning to ask but wouldn't in the middle of the day when everyone is posting.

What is "Grave Wax?" Anybody?? Pleazzze..:confused:



http://www.deathonline.net/decomposition/body_changes/grave_wax.htm


Warning: There is a picture of grave wax on this page.

[kakax]

I have been reading back a long way...
Since we are here I have a question I have been meaning to ask but wouldn't in the middle of the day when everyone is posting.

What is "Grave Wax?" Anybody?? Pleazzze..:confused:

Since I can't sleep, I came back and since no one else has answered, I will take on the gruesome task LOL! It forms on dead bodies. Comes from the fatty tissues. It looks a little like melted candle wax. When it first came out in the forensic reports, a lot of people, like myself, asked the question. Some brave soul looked it up and graciously said don't google, just trust me. Well of course, I had to google. I'm sorry I did.

That is what was found on the paper towels in the trunk. It has a much more scientific name...I'm taking a stab but I'm not sure of the spelling....adocipiere or something like that.

[kakax]

http://www.deathonline.net/decomposition/body_changes/grave_wax.htm


Warning: There is a picture of grave wax on this page.


Too funny n2n...you n2d just like me!! Good to see you!

[need2no]

Too funny n2n...you n2d just like me!! Good to see you!

:seeya: kakax!

Yeah, that need2know thing gets me in a lot of trouble, that's why I used need2no as my nic. :tongueside:

[kakax]

:seeya: kakax!

Yeah, that need2know thing gets me in a lot of trouble, that's why I used need2no as my nic. :tongueside:

Yup, I think we all may have a problem with that! We all must be a little nuts in the head!

Rather be me than Cindy, though!

[Pruddennce]

There something about Cindy that makes her not so likable. In normal everyday life prior to this she was having problems all the time. The woman is not happy unless there is chaos happening around her.
She's just angry all the time. She's mad at everybody. No wonder Lee got the heck out of there. She was bad before this all happened and she is unbearable to live with. Even George has left a few times. Divorce is always talked about in the house.
I honestly wonder if she was friendly at her work place.
How can a person have the job she had and have absolutely no compassion.
If she ends up divorcing George she might as well get herself a few cats because I highly doubt any other man would put up with her.
That woman will be alone for the rest of her life.
I think she knows it, too.

Cindy had co-workers and not one of them was told by her that Casey was pregnant...even when Casey came in one day and a few of them noticed. she didnt tell them.

that explains the type of person Cindy is: cold, no friends, no confidants, and a LIAR.....

this wasnt about shame....it was about Cindy's perception of herself...her attempts to project perfection *I/we/us are the perfect family* ..... sad part is, it appears they have no one in their life that can stand to be around them, not before and certainly not after this tragedy. so whats the point of portraying herself as perfect and 'always right' when there is no one to challenge it or stand up and cheer for her....

as Ive said before, they all lived in a dysfunctional 'bubble house'.....and Casey broke the bubble with this tragedy. Cindy existed quite well on her own little planet....she doesnt do well outside of her home and IMO was probably the 'annoying co-worker', having zero bonds with anyone.

IMO Cindy was not likeable before this tragedy. look who they chose to form a friendship with: THE MILSTEADS.

thats 'a clue' as to why.....<---as Cindy would say. :D

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

*I said (to Casey)....I dont need someone to make me look stupid, I can do that on my own*<---G. Anthony, pg 43 http://boards.insessiontrials.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=13367543

[Barbara fl.]

There something about Cindy that makes her not so likable. In normal everyday life prior to this she was having problems all the time. The woman is not happy unless there is chaos happening around her.
She's just angry all the time. She's mad at everybody. No wonder Lee got the heck out of there. She was bad before this all happened and she is unbearable to live with. Even George has left a few times. Divorce is always talked about in the house.
I honestly wonder if she was friendly at her work place.
How can a person have the job she had and have absolutely no compassion.
If she ends up divorcing George she might as well get herself a few cats because I highly doubt any other man would put up with her.
That woman will be alone for the rest of her life.
I think she knows it, too.

Good morning all,

I agree with you....Cindy is not a very likable person...it looks like she goes out of her way to achieve that....

[Holden]

This is my first post here although I have been lurking for quite some time, reading some very interesting posts. I've been thinking - I wish someone out here was an artist or cartoonist, because I would love to see a rendering of the ZFG that lives in casey's head. She'd have to be quite a woman! Remember, she's a '10' (ca's oh, so rude comment, 'you're cute, honey, but you're no 10' So very rude, but par for the course, as we have seen)So, ZFG would be gorgeous, long straight hair, 5' 9", dressed really well(she's rich, too), driving an expensive new car (her father bought this car for either Amy or her, if you want to believe ca), carrying a huge diaper bag to accommodate Caylee's dupilcate items, also obviously armed because she has threatened everyone from casey to the entire A family, has a bunch of cell phones dangling from her artillary belt (remember casey said she had many #'s, so did ca). Now, doesn't she sound like someone who would stick out in a crowd? She'd be like wonder woman out there, all armed and ready to strike. Lucky for us she's a figment of a murderer's mind only.

[Julie Dupree]

This is my first post here although I have been lurking for quite some time, reading some very interesting posts. I've been thinking - I wish someone out here was an artist or cartoonist, because I would love to see a rendering of the ZFG that lives in casey's head. She'd have to be quite a woman! Remember, she's a '10' (ca's oh, so rude comment, 'you're cute, honey, but you're no 10' So very rude, but par for the course, as we have seen)So, ZFG would be gorgeous, long straight hair, 5' 9", dressed really well(she's rich, too), driving an expensive new car (her father bought this car for either Amy or her, if you want to believe ca), carrying a huge diaper bag to accommodate Caylee's dupilcate items, also obviously armed because she has threatened everyone from casey to the entire A family, has a bunch of cell phones dangling from her artillary belt (remember casey said she had many #'s, so did ca). Now, doesn't she sound like someone who would stick out in a crowd? She'd be like wonder woman out there, all armed and ready to strike. Lucky for us she's a figment of a murderer's mind only.

Good Morning Holden, and welcome.
I think when the artist was finished with the portrait it would look just like Casey (or rather like did when she was arrested-not the Casey we saw at the last hearing). I think Casey thinks she is a 10 in every sense of the word.

[Julie Dupree]

Good morning all,

I agree with you....Cindy is not a very likable person...it looks like she goes out of her way to achieve that....

Good Morning Barbara,
I often wonder if Cindy even likes herself?

[apothecary]

This is my first post here although I have been lurking for quite some time, reading some very interesting posts. I've been thinking - I wish someone out here was an artist or cartoonist, because I would love to see a rendering of the ZFG that lives in casey's head. She'd have to be quite a woman! Remember, she's a '10' (ca's oh, so rude comment, 'you're cute, honey, but you're no 10' So very rude, but par for the course, as we have seen)So, ZFG would be gorgeous, long straight hair, 5' 9", dressed really well(she's rich, too), driving an expensive new car (her father bought this car for either Amy or her, if you want to believe ca), carrying a huge diaper bag to accommodate Caylee's dupilcate items, also obviously armed because she has threatened everyone from casey to the entire A family, has a bunch of cell phones dangling from her artillary belt (remember casey said she had many #'s, so did ca). Now, doesn't she sound like someone who would stick out in a crowd? She'd be like wonder woman out there, all armed and ready to strike. Lucky for us she's a figment of a murderer's mind only.

Wow..welcome to IS.We love people like you with great imaginations.You gave me a great idea.My son does charicatures and I will get him to do one of ZFG according to your description.You know that Anjelina Jolie pose with that belt slung on her butt,but with cell phones hanging off it and a backpack with diapers.He is busy today but maybe I'll get it soon and somehow post it.

[Holden]

Wow, apothecary, thank you for the warm welcome. I love this board and am happy to be an actual speaking member now. I would love to see that cartoon!

[Postergeist]

Welcome Holden! :seeya:

Good Morning All!

So- did anybody do like George requested and write that letter to Casey, just to say hello, how ya doing-

anyone?

[martha]

Wow, apothecary, thank you for the warm welcome. I love this board and am happy to be an actual speaking member now. I would love to see that cartoon!Good morning everyone and welcome to you Holden it is so good to have new posters.I read here all the time but just don;t post much. I get my blood pres.up and the doc can;t understand why he can;t get it down with all the meds he has given me but I sure don;t tell him about this case or I am sure he would tell me not to come on here.ha, I will be here for CAYLEE until this is over or until I kick the bucket. which ever comes first.You will really enjoy all the posters here they or great. Please give us you insight into what you think happened to little CAYLEE. jmho:wub:

[martha]

Welcome Holden! :seeya:

Good Morning All!

So- did anybody do like George requested and write that letter to Casey, just to say hello, how ya doing-

anyone?Good morning no I have not written her a letter but if I did she would not want to read it. Don;t think it would be a letter she would like to get.jmho:wub:

[Postergeist]

Good morning no I have not written her a letter but if I did she would not want to read it. Don;t think it would be a letter she would like to get.jmho:wub:

Mornin' Miss Martha! We certainly don't want you to get your blood pressure worked up over this case- but I admit that at times, I've been mad before where I've been close to the boiling point.

I couldn't believe what I was hearing when George made that request!

Did he not consider that she stood a better chance of getting hate mail than letters of encouragement?

Why ask that of total strangers- why wouldn't letters from her own family, from Lee's g/f, etc. just be good enough?

[Postergeist]

It's crossed my mind how several of us have said they'll see little girls that remind them of Caylee, and how that will make them sad to know that she's not in the world anymore-

I'd think that would be the same for the A's when they are out, see a child that would be around Caylee's age. I'd think that would be a reminder of what has been lost to them.

:sad:

[martha]

Mornin' Miss Martha! We certainly don't want you to get your blood pressure worked up over this case- but I admit that at times, I've been mad before where I've been close to the boiling point.

I couldn't believe what I was hearing when George made that request!

Did he not consider that she stood a better chance of getting hate mail than letters of encouragement?

Why ask that of total strangers- why wouldn't letters from her own family, from Lee's g/f, etc. just be good enough?ita does he not know they would not be nice letters. how dumb can he get? The family needs to be writing her not us. The people the an;s don;t like.jmho

[Bala]

By the sound of it, George apologized many times for Cindy's beotchiness. I think he was used to having that responsibility.

(Just a second... I had a twinge of sadness for George right there! :scared: Someone slap me silly!!)

The first time I remember seeing George was his interview with LE and I remember thinking what a stand up guy he must be to be telling LE everything he knows and thinks about what was going on. It must be very hard for a parent to admit that your daughter may have murdered her baby which it seemed he was saying. I think George is an abused husband and Cindy has complete control over him just like an abusive husband has over his wife. I have always believed that if George was to free himself from Cindy he would do the right think by Caylee and tell the truth.

JMO

[Postergeist]

ita does he not know they would not be nice letters. how dumb can he get? The family needs to be writing her not us. The people the an;s don;t like.jmho

Exactly Martha! Who was he expecting would be the target audience to write his daughter letters?

He can't expect the volunteers that searched the woods- as he and his wife hated that they were looking, didn't want them looking and never thanked them for looking.

He can't expect the message board groups that kept his granddaughter's story going and her picture out there because his wife detests online posters.

So that leaves- what- people out there that saw his daughter on the jail house visits cussing their parents out and they also cuss at their parents and they admire Casey because they are like-minded?

[BlueTurtle]

Thanks Sun...according to Bill Sheaffer he thinks there may be more to the complaint than JB telling him not to call the authorities...very interesting. Is this about the same time that the complaint was filed against Conway also?

If Dcasey was hired by the Anthonys and was no longer 'working' for Baez and then Baez tells him to not report the finding of the body, I think that would not be covered under attorney work product priviledge.
That's my take on why it is an issue.

[MrsHudson]

The first time I remember seeing George was his interview with LE and I remember thinking what a stand up guy he must be to be telling LE everything he knows and thinks about what was going on. It must be very hard for a parent to admit that your daughter may have murdered her baby which it seemed he was saying. I think George is an abused husband and Cindy has complete control over him just like an abusive husband has over his wife. I have always believed that if George was to free himself from Cindy he would do the right think by Caylee and tell the truth.

JMO

Cindy is so repulsive. Just call to mind all the ugly hatefulness caught in the still pictures of her from the ZFG deposition video. Truly hateful in every respect. Oh but she's re-baptized now. Did she do this as a repentant sinner or to prove she's always been righteous and always will be? I think the latter.

[Lavinia]

Welcome Holden! :seeya:

Good Morning All!

So- did anybody do like George requested and write that letter to Casey, just to say hello, how ya doing-

anyone?

Hey Postie! :seeya: I have a card for her I've been sitting on. The outside says, "You have my sincerest sympathy." The inside: "On the death of your soul." I haven't sent it because I still haven't decided if that would make her feel good somehow. I would cringe to think I made her feel like an *important* murderess. Maybe I'll send it to Baez! :w00t:

Hi, Holden! It's nice to "meet" you!

[Dells]

OMG...
I'm sorry I asked, now. Yuck. Had to know so I could understand a few posts.
I will say one thing, I won't forget what it is. And they had to be so graphic.barf

There is so much about this case that I wish I didn't know. There are just too many gruesome details. It just makes me want justice for Caylee that much more.

But, I think the fact that grave wax was in the trunk of Casey's car is just another in a long line of damaging evidence against Casey. In Casey's car, specifically in the trunk of the car, we have the smell of human decomposition, the hair w/the death band on it that belonged to Caylee, and now the grave wax. I wonder if the grave wax can be tested for DNA?

Who knows how much other incriminating evidence the prosecution has from the trunk of that car? We are still waiting on the maggot evidence and that could prove to be very damaging to Casey if it shows Caylee's DNA in those maggots. Who knows how much incriminating evidence the prosecution has against Casey, period.

I just don't see how the defense can sit there and continue to spout Casey's innocence. :shrug: If Caylee really was kidnapped by the nanny (or some other mysterious person that Casey can't name because she is protecting her family and still protecting Caylee:rolleyes:), then why is there all this evidence in Casey's car? Caylee's murderer would not go to so much trouble to frame Casey. Plus, if someone else did this they are not responsible for Casey's demeanor during those days that Caylee was missing. To me, Casey's demeanor shows consciousness of guilt.

One piece of evidence on its own can maybe be explained away or labeled as junk science, but when you have multiple pieces of evidence such as there is in this case, I do not understand how the defense thinks they have a leg to stand on w/regards to Casey's innocence. I guess w/the high profile nature of the this case they are just hoping they can confuse the jury enough to get a hung jury. With as arrogant as JB is, I still can't believe that the thinks that they will be able to convince 12 jurors that she is innocent. They are just looking for 1 or possibly 2 jurors to believe them in order to get a hung jury.

I have learned about this case piecemeal through the multiple document dumps that have happened since the beginning, and I am absolutely appalled by the evidence in this case. There is so much incriminating evidence against Casey. I've had a chance to review and digest all the horrible details over a period of time and those details utterly sicken me. There is no doubt in my mind that Casey did this crime and murdered Caylee in cold blood. If I was someone that had never heard about this case before and I was on the jury, I think the evidence in this case would totally and completely blow me away. If the defense thinks that they can get Casey to walk (or get a hung jury) by utilizing a COV, they are sadly mistaken. The details of this case are horrific and they speak for themselves. No matter what tricks and tactics the defense tries to use, Casey is going down.

[Lavinia]

Good morning everyone and welcome to you Holden it is so good to have new posters.I read here all the time but just don;t post much. I get my blood pres.up and the doc can;t understand why he can;t get it down with all the meds he has given me but I sure don;t tell him about this case or I am sure he would tell me not to come on here.ha, I will be here for CAYLEE until this is over or until I kick the bucket. which ever comes first.You will really enjoy all the posters here they or great. Please give us you insight into what you think happened to little CAYLEE. jmho:wub:

Come on over here Miss Martha. We'll hang out all day and read laptops and laugh and pop our high blood pressure pills together. This is a "no kicking the bucket zone". :wink:

[MrsHudson]

It's a wonder Casey did not perform the "rebaptism." (What they did not use enough water the first time? For crying out loud what in world difference does the amount of water make? It's the words that count.

A little water and the Trinitarian formula works the first time, every time, no matter what age you are. When you are baptized you enter into the church. Your faith and commitment may ebb and flow but feeling a surge of religious ferver does not mean your first baptism never took. It means it did and it is the free gift of the grace of your first baptism (even if you were a baby at the time) that has called you to a deeper commitment. Re-baptism is redundant.

But I digress. It's a wonder that Casey did not perform the "re-baptism given that Cindy once said Casey was suffering like Jesus suffered on the cross.

[Dells]

This is my first post here although I have been lurking for quite some time, reading some very interesting posts. I've been thinking - I wish someone out here was an artist or cartoonist, because I would love to see a rendering of the ZFG that lives in casey's head. She'd have to be quite a woman! Remember, she's a '10' (ca's oh, so rude comment, 'you're cute, honey, but you're no 10' So very rude, but par for the course, as we have seen)So, ZFG would be gorgeous, long straight hair, 5' 9", dressed really well(she's rich, too), driving an expensive new car (her father bought this car for either Amy or her, if you want to believe ca), carrying a huge diaper bag to accommodate Caylee's dupilcate items, also obviously armed because she has threatened everyone from casey to the entire A family, has a bunch of cell phones dangling from her artillary belt (remember casey said she had many #'s, so did ca). Now, doesn't she sound like someone who would stick out in a crowd? She'd be like wonder woman out there, all armed and ready to strike. Lucky for us she's a figment of a murderer's mind only.

Welcome to the boards! So glad to decided to come out of lurkdom and join us here. :seeya:

[Dells]

Good morning no I have not written her a letter but if I did she would not want to read it. Don;t think it would be a letter she would like to get.jmho:wub:

I haven't written a letter to Casey, but I know just what I would say to her if I did. It would never get to Casey though. I am sure that JB would block it.:sneaky:

[Postergeist]

given that Cindy once said Casey was suffering like Jesus suffered on the cross.

<snipped>

*THUD*

oh no she didn't, did she? Did Cindy actually say this?

:ohmy:

I am more than appalled by this if she did- this just goes beyond the beyond- and what a way to downplay the sacrifice of my Savior.

[Lavinia]

I haven't written a letter to Casey, but I know just what I would say to her if I did. It would never get to Casey though. I am sure that JB would block it.:sneaky:

Dells, it *has* to go to Casey before JB could get it. (I'm not real sure he can take it out of the jail either. Katprint? Lapis?)

[Dells]

Dells, it *has* to go to Casey before JB could get it. (I'm not real sure he can take it out of the jail either. Katprint? Lapis?)

At one time I remember either JB or Casey saying that JB goes through all Casey's mail before she receives it. I can just see Casey hanging on to all her mail and having JB review it before she reads it so that she doesn't have to worry her pretty little head w/all the negative feelings that the general public has about her. In any case, my letter would probably be blocked by the jail because there would be a few choice words that would probably be deemed highly inappropriate.:angry:

[Lavinia]

At one time I remember either JB or Casey saying that JB goes through all Casey's mail before she receives it. I can just see Casey hanging on to all her mail and having JB review it before she reads it so that she doesn't have to worry her pretty little head w/all the negative feelings that the general public has about her. In any case, my letter would probably be blocked by the jail because there would be a few choice words that would probably be deemed highly inappropriate.:angry:

I wonder how much mail she gets now... I wish we would get a jail update on her. What is she getting from commissary, who visits, who sends money, has Sir-Mix-a-Lot written a song for her like "Baby's Got Back 2"? :sneaky:

[Bala]

<snipped>

*THUD*

oh no she didn't, did she? Did Cindy actually say this?

:ohmy:

I am more than appalled by this if she did- this just goes beyond the beyond- and what a way to downplay the sacrifice of my Savior.

Cindy made that comment in a e-mail response to a email I had sent her. She compared what Casey is going through with Jesus suffering on the cross. Talk about blasphemy.
JMO

[Barbara fl.]

Mornin' Miss Martha! We certainly don't want you to get your blood pressure worked up over this case- but I admit that at times, I've been mad before where I've been close to the boiling point.

I couldn't believe what I was hearing when George made that request!

Did he not consider that she stood a better chance of getting hate mail than letters of encouragement?

Why ask that of total strangers- why wouldn't letters from her own family, from Lee's g/f, etc. just be good enough?


Because they are a bunch of idiots...They might have thought that the people who showed up for the memorial were in their corner (which would make them for Casey, in their sick mind)....

I'm willing to bet Casey didn't receive one letter that was in her defense (unless her lawyer sent one)....

[Lavinia]

Cindy made that comment in a e-mail response to a email I had sent her. She compared what Casey is going through with Jesus suffering on the cross. Talk about blasphemy.
JMO

Maybe her crown of thorns was just pinching really bad that day. :rolleyes: :wink:

[Barbara fl.]

I agree with you Dell. Good post.
I think that if they tried this case today or waited til next year they would loose and Casey would be up the river for life.
I don't understand why everything is hush hush in the last few weeks.
If they have this "grave wax" in their possession they would have surely got the results back by now. Same with the maggots.:confused:
I doubt very much if JB is capable of getting a hung jury. Unless Baez really has something factual and I mean evidence that would throw this case upside down, they don't have a chance.
I doubt they even have a "Aha" moment they are planning to throw out there. What, Henry Lee plans to get up on the stand and lie through his teeth. He's lost all his credibility with me since the last trial I watched when he stood up there and lied and basically got caught doing it. He ran and didn't look back. I thought he was a joke when he was on NG and said he didn't know what a decomposed body smelled like. Give us all a break. I'm not a scientist and neither is a half dozen other people and they knew what that odor was from.
Casey might as well take down her calendar, stop marking the days with a big red X cause she's not going anywhere.

It was the same in the Peterson case...everyone was waiting for Geragos to come up with some solid evidence that Scott didn't do it....Geragos only walked around the court room, trying to be in control...and said NOTHING....and we all know where Scott is now....and Casey will be there also.....

[apothecary]

I am so glad I have my IS friends .First Saturday off in 6 weeks and noone is home with me.It is 30 degrees out(thats almost 90) and I am out on the deck in my bathing suit eating lobster and drinking wine(something that starts with a c)Life is good and you are all here with me commenting on my obsession of the year.Cheers to all as I lift my glass and sip.:thumbsup:

[Barbara fl.]

Attorney work product is not a priviledge. The last paragraph of this explains it.

Comparison with attorney-client privilege
The work-product doctrine is more inclusive than attorney-client privilege (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attorney-client_privilege). Unlike the attorney-client privilege, which includes only communications between an attorney and his client, work-product includes materials prepared by persons other than the attorney himself: The materials may have been prepared by anybody as long as they were prepared with an eye towards the realistic possibility of impending litigation. Additionally, it includes materials collected for the attorney such as interrogatories, signed statements, other information acquired for the prosecution or defense of a case, "memoranda, briefs, communications . . . other writings prepared by counsel for his own use in prosecuting his client's case . . . mental impressions, conclusions, opinions, or legal theories."

However, the work-product doctrine is also less powerful than the attorney-client privilege because it is not a privilege, and therefore may be overcome by a showing of necessity, as described above.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work-product_doctrine


I knew that....:laugh:

[Barbara fl.]

The first time I remember seeing George was his interview with LE and I remember thinking what a stand up guy he must be to be telling LE everything he knows and thinks about what was going on. It must be very hard for a parent to admit that your daughter may have murdered her baby which it seemed he was saying. I think George is an abused husband and Cindy has complete control over him just like an abusive husband has over his wife. I have always believed that if George was to free himself from Cindy he would do the right think by Caylee and tell the truth.

JMO


And I bet Cindy got in his case real bad afterwards.....But, I hope Cindy remembers who called 911......I bet if she could take that call back she would....Caylee's body would have been hidden real good and everyone would have been told that Caylee was with her father or something like that....

No doubt in my mind that LE would have never heard about little Caylee missing.....

[snowflakes]

I find it so odd that there haven't been any leaks coming from the jail about what's going on in Casey's life.
You would think that some emplyee would spill the beans.

[Lavinia]

I am so glad I have my IS friends .First Saturday off in 6 weeks and noone is home with me.It is 30 degrees out(thats almost 90) and I am out on the deck in my bathing suit eating lobster and drinking wine(something that starts with a c)Life is good and you are all here with me commenting on my obsession of the year.Cheers to all as I lift my glass and sip.:thumbsup:

Sounds like heaven apothecary! I need just a smidge of that lobster if you don't mind. :drool:

Life IS good!

[101Spots]

It's a wonder Casey did not perform the "rebaptism." (What they did not use enough water the first time? For crying out loud what in world difference does the amount of water make? It's the words that count.

A little water and the Trinitarian formula works the first time, every time, no matter what age you are. When you are baptized you enter into the church. Your faith and commitment may ebb and flow but feeling a surge of religious ferver does not mean your first baptism never took. It means it did and it is the free gift of the grace of your first baptism (even if you were a baby at the time) that has called you to a deeper commitment. Re-baptism is redundant.

But I digress. It's a wonder that Casey did not perform the "re-baptism given that Cindy once said Casey was suffering like Jesus suffered on the cross.

Au contraire. It's the *sincerity* that counts. At least for adults.

Reminds me of my mother upon learning that my ex-sibling had been re-born. "What was wrong with the first time?"

[kakax]

This is my first post here although I have been lurking for quite some time, reading some very interesting posts. I've been thinking - I wish someone out here was an artist or cartoonist, because I would love to see a rendering of the ZFG that lives in casey's head. She'd have to be quite a woman! Remember, she's a '10' (ca's oh, so rude comment, 'you're cute, honey, but you're no 10' So very rude, but par for the course, as we have seen)So, ZFG would be gorgeous, long straight hair, 5' 9", dressed really well(she's rich, too), driving an expensive new car (her father bought this car for either Amy or her, if you want to believe ca), carrying a huge diaper bag to accommodate Caylee's dupilcate items, also obviously armed because she has threatened everyone from casey to the entire A family, has a bunch of cell phones dangling from her artillary belt (remember casey said she had many #'s, so did ca). Now, doesn't she sound like someone who would stick out in a crowd? She'd be like wonder woman out there, all armed and ready to strike. Lucky for us she's a figment of a murderer's mind only.

Now that's funny!!:thumbsup:

After that youtube video last night of all the Cindy faces, I have been watching Cindy's deposition again and man, she is worse in that chair than my 11 year old daughter. The face on the chin as she smacks her gum, answering the questions like a teen in trouble, it's amazing. She is so all over the place, her many necklaces are tangled in her buttons. It is really hard to watch.

[Barbara fl.]

I find it so odd that there haven't been any leaks coming from the jail about what's going on in Casey's life.
You would think that some emplyee would spill the beans.


They probably have been well warned not to leak anything to the media...Baez would make a big deal out of it...


But we all know how miserable Casey has to be in jail....no Fusion, no boyfriends, no tatoo parlars, no Cindy's chili, and don't forget, she must be really upset that she can not be spending some of the money that Cindy and George are raking in because of her....that must really be killing her .....Oh well Casey, get used to your new home, you will be there for the rest of your life.....

[Postergeist]

Cindy made that comment in a e-mail response to a email I had sent her. She compared what Casey is going through with Jesus suffering on the cross. Talk about blasphemy.
JMO

:sad: this is just- I have never, in my life, ever heard of anyone saying this, let alone someone that is a believer. My maw who lost her youngest to polio that died in an iron long, who in her later life had both legs amputated, my family members that have died from various cancers, my aunts that lost their sons to separate boating accidents/drowning, the ones in my family that had miscarriages, heck, even my bouts with 6 kidneys stones- never has any one uttered that- except for things said like "my Jesus suffered more than this" or 'no man could suffer like the Lord did for us", that sort of thing. Never, ever have I heard any one put themselves or another on the same plane as Christ.

When I thought nothing gets more disturbing with this family- this just takes the cake.

I'm gonna have to re-group.

[Pruddennce]

As always, great post!

Missed you, Pru!!:wub:

hey kakax.....good to see you too!

Ive also had thoughts of Cindy lying about the last time she 'saw' Caylee with Casey on father's day....I find it very likely that she witnessed Casey leaving with Caylee. and that casey returned to the home later that nite without Caylee. (claiming she dropped her off at the Nanny's to spite Cindy).....when in reality, she took the child out, killed her and threw her in the trunk with duct tape on the mouth *just in case*).

IMO, that is the piece that Cindy isnt offering off.......that she left in a rage. fits in with GA's carefully worded response describing when he came home that nite.....*he was led to believe Caylee and Casey were in the house because her car was there*.....

GA was told, IMO, not to talk about what Cindy experienced with Casey prior to him coming home.

the key to this investigation always began with THAT NITE. Cindy stating *she knew where they were sleeping that nite*...?????? thats a very offbeat comment concerning her grandchild....how come there was no flowerly explanation as to how sweet Caylee was going to bed, etc etc.....

BECAUSE IT NEVER HAPPENED. she wasnt sleeping there that nite.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

[apothecary]

Sounds like heaven apothecary! I need just a smidge of that lobster if you don't mind. :drool:

Life IS good!
I knew you would ask... here is a bite..It really is a good day to be alive and it disappoints me that Casey did not realize her good luck in having the things she did,eg,car ,cell pho:laugh:.ne etc and not being able to work with that and make a life for herself and that precious child.I don't think Cindy made it easy for her.What a waste of lives.I watched the videos of Caylee as a baby and toddler and was choked up because everything was done wrong in that house.Everyone carried grudges and could not let things go.Caylee like all babies was precious and had no chance in that household.PS my wine bottle says Bourgogne Chanson pinot noir.Also joined the 21 century and got a cell phone(new toy)can now reach out and text.Not much different than what I do here.Luv yuz all:wub:I am never alone

[Pruddennce]

And I believe that Tone and his roomates verified that it was similar to what they had in the trash. George, Tone, roomates, and tow truck owners testimonies will make it impossible not to believe that the trash was from her car. Cindy also commented that the smell was from the pizza.

They may try to dispute it. I hope they do. I don't think they will get very far. Not many trash bags have paper towels with grave wax on them from a person who's child is missing.

Everything is tied to that car. Their only hope is to say that that car was out of her possession. The only other people who had access to the car were George and Cindy, possibly Lee. They want to try to say Jesse but geez how many keys do people have made for cars. I thought Casey was so careful she kept one in her pocket. :rolleyes: We are expected to believe she had that many copies?

I say try it. I say they lose.
similar to casey telling Cindy in one of the jailhouse visits that "zanny had a key' to their home. Yet they dont announce that to the media how frightened they are of the supposed kidnapper. in fact, while Cindy was hammering away on the lawn, she claims NO ONE HAS BEEN THREATENED....these people dont rememebr what they say, because they are liars.

secondly, with the zanny had a key story comes the next logical question: ok, so zanny was in and out of the house doing what? nothing was stolen. Casey was caught coming in and out, specifically on gas can day, per GA......Cindy told Brittany she knew Casey was coming and going, baiting Cindy out of the house so she could go in and get more 'of her things'.......however, nothing was taken of caylees, shoes, clothes, toys, NOTHING.

the key to the house story is not cohesive...just another attempt by casey to convince her mother there is a zanny....but without tangible evidence of such a person existing, or why 'the nanny' would go in the house to begin with (no evidence)....Casey relies on Cindy's chew and swallow behaviour.....and it works: puppy = there is a zanny.

LOL

also, GA has said over and over again in various LE/FBI interviews: *I would say to myself, "George", (or he claims he said to Casey), THAT DOESNT MAKE SENSE*.....

the nonsensical explanations were ignored.....it just didnt make sense, he says....... but OH WELL....

the oh well attitude got their granddaughter MURDERERD.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[apothecary]

hey kakax.....good to see you too!

Ive also had thoughts of Cindy lying about the last time she 'saw' Caylee with Casey on father's day....I find it very likely that she witnessed Casey leaving with Caylee. and that casey returned to the home later that nite without Caylee. (claiming she dropped her off at the Nanny's to spite Cindy).....when in reality, she took the child out, killed her and threw her in the trunk with duct tape on the mouth *just in case*).

IMO, that is the piece that Cindy isnt offering off.......that she left in a rage. fits in with GA's carefully worded response describing when he came home that nite.....*he was led to believe Caylee and Casey were in the house because her car was there*.....

GA was told, IMO, not to talk about what Cindy experienced with Casey prior to him coming home.

the key to this investigation always began with THAT NITE. Cindy stating *she knew where they were sleeping that nite*...?????? thats a very offbeat comment concerning her grandchild....how come there was no flowerly explanation as to how sweet Caylee was going to bed, etc etc.....

BECAUSE IT NEVER HAPPENED. she wasnt sleeping there that nite.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

I will learn how to snip.In the meantime why do you think Casey returned to the house after doing the deed,no place else to go or for spite.

[Pruddennce]

I will learn how to snip.In the meantime why do you think Casey returned to the house after doing the deed,no place else to go or for spite.

IMO, BOTH. she was on the phone practically the entire nite. she didnt go to Tony's, but was on the phone with him for a long time. IIRC cell phone pings place her in the area, the home as well. I think she was spiting Cindy by removing her from the home. heck, she could have strangled her in her own room and carried her out, giving the impression Caylee was sleeping.

that could be quite a haunting image that Cindy is unable to relive. IMO, Cindy has re-written that event....was she already dead, was she sleeping? Cindy will not think about it. IMO, its "THE SECRET'.

how is it possible that GA can remember what they were wearing the next day, the AFTERNOON (no morning activities mentioned), a perfect recollecton ONE MONTH LATER.....no way.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[kakax]

similar to casey telling Cindy in one of the jailhouse visits that "zanny had a key' to their home. Yet they dont announce that to the media how frightened they are of the supposed kidnapper. in fact, while Cindy was hammering away on the lawn, she claims NO ONE HAS BEEN THREATENED....these people dont rememebr what they say, because they are liars.

secondly, with the zanny had a key story comes the next logical question: ok, so zanny was in and out of the house doing what? nothing was stolen. Casey was caught coming in and out, specifically on gas can day, per GA......Cindy told Brittany she knew Casey was coming and going, baiting Cindy out of the house so she could go in and get more 'of her things'.......however, nothing was taken of caylees, shoes, clothes, toys, NOTHING.

the key to the house story is not cohesive...just another attempt by casey to convince her mother there is a zanny....but without tangible evidence of such a person existing, or why 'the nanny' would go in the house to begin with (no evidence)....Casey relies on Cindy's chew and swallow behaviour.....and it works: puppy = there is a zanny.

LOL

also, GA has said over and over again in various LE/FBI interviews: *I would say to myself, "George", (or he claims he said to Casey), THAT DOESNT MAKE SENSE*.....

the nonsensical explanations were ignored.....it just didnt make sense, he says....... but OH WELL....

the oh well attitude got their granddaughter MURDERERD.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

I so totally agree with your post, Pru. And the previous one where you say it all originated the night of the 15th. Their own words will be the final nail in all of their coffins. I can not wait to see this all play out!

[sydney]

Hey Postie! :seeya: I have a card for her I've been sitting on. The outside says, "You have my sincerest sympathy." The inside: "On the death of your soul." I haven't sent it because I still haven't decided if that would make her feel good somehow. I would cringe to think I made her feel like an *important* murderess. Maybe I'll send it to Baez! :w00t:

Hi, Holden! It's nice to "meet" you!

hello, hello, hello! Just in for a few minutes (bold is mine). now, now Lavinia. cindy was re-baptized, remember? so her soul is now repurified. is that a word? dunno. but let's hope she takes what should be a sincere effort to reconcile with her maker seriously and tells the TRUTH about what she knows. (nah, ain't gonna happen. as i said before, she's prolly one of those that believes that, once "re-forgiven", everything they do from this point forward, including lying, will automatically be forgiven.) color me skeptical and cynical (wonder what color would that be?)

[sydney]

This is my first post here although I have been lurking for quite some time, reading some very interesting posts. I've been thinking - I wish someone out here was an artist or cartoonist, because I would love to see a rendering of the ZFG that lives in casey's head.

(respectfully snipped by me)

hey, holden! welcome. many posters have posted a picture of zg on these boards. here it is again:













zanny the nanny


look like anyone you know? :rolleyes:

[sydney]

how is it possible that GA can remember what they were wearing the next day, the AFTERNOON (no morning activities mentioned), a perfect recollecton ONE MONTH LATER.....no way.

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

(respectfully snipped).
hey, pru! how could a 2 year old sleep that late? goodness gracious, my kids were up at the crack of dawn to watch cartoons everyday, especially if they were put to bed at their normal bedtime (8:00 - didn't cindy say that was caylee's normal bedtime, or around there?)

didn't g also say at one time that he fed caylee breakfast?

[Pruddennce]

(respectfully snipped).
hey, pru! how could a 2 year old sleep that late? goodness gracious, my kids were up at the crack of dawn to watch cartoons everyday, especially if they were put to bed at their normal bedtime (8:00 - didn't cindy say that was caylee's normal bedtime, or around there?)

didn't g also say at one time that he fed caylee breakfast?

GA's various interviews with LE and FBI: he never once mentioned what transpired in the home, with Caylee and Casey the morning of the 16th. The only thing he mentioned was a generality: he was the one who normally fed "the little girl breakfast', because Casey slept late, however he wasnt referring to THAT morning.....it was a general statement...

he did not mention a thing about that morning. only his 'cooking show' at 10 to 1, their exit and wonders of wonders, his impeccable recall of clothing. it is my understanding that he is now fabricating the 'events' of the morning...although I have not personally read the 'new account'......just read opinions here regarding recent statements he made that encompass prior to 10 to 1.....although he never once mentioned that to LE.

he's a liar.

IMO

best regards,
Pru


*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[imc_e]

George said that he saw Casey and Caylee on June 16th, as you are discussing, but I recall in the recent documents that cell phone pings at the time George is referring to, prove that he did not see Casey and Caylee that day, that time.

JMO

[apothecary]

Bourgogne Chanson Pinot Noir
Ruby red with purple tinges. Intense, fresh aromas of raspberries and red currant. This wine is fleshy with a nice aromatic combination of red berries.

You have good taste, that is a great Pinot. :thumbup:
Thank you very much ee but I did not buy it.Just drink it

[imc_e]

I hadn't heard the phone messages left for Yuri Melich on July 22 2008.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl5h01DvHZE&feature=PlayList&p=91C9AACA7CFCC259&index=37

The first call is a female who asked to remain anonomous, but I think it may have been Lee's gf.

JMO

[djmsmom]

(respectfully snipped by me)

hey, holden! welcome. many posters have posted a picture of zg on these boards. here it is again:













zanny the nanny


look like anyone you know? :rolleyes:

:thumbsup: like this post

[kakax]

(respectfully snipped).
hey, pru! how could a 2 year old sleep that late? goodness gracious, my kids were up at the crack of dawn to watch cartoons everyday, especially if they were put to bed at their normal bedtime (8:00 - didn't cindy say that was caylee's normal bedtime, or around there?)

didn't g also say at one time that he fed caylee breakfast?

Great observation. My kids still wake up at the crack of dawn. They haven't hit the teenage years. Yup, something stinks here and it isn't the trash from Casey's car.

[sydney]

Dark red, the color of evil and the blood on her hands?

i so do not want that color associated with me! i like turquoise much better!

[sydney]

[QUOTE=Pruddennce;13368316]GA's various interviews with LE and FBI: he never once mentioned what transpired in the home, with Caylee and Casey the morning of the 16th. The only thing he mentioned was a generality: he was the one who normally fed "the little girl breakfast', because Casey slept late, however he wasnt referring to THAT morning.....it was a general statement...

he did not mention a thing about that morning. only his 'cooking show' at 10 to 1, their exit and wonders of wonders, his impeccable recall of clothing. it is my understanding that he is now fabricating the 'events' of the morning...although I have not personally read the 'new account'......just read opinions here regarding recent statements he made that encompass prior to 10 to 1.....although he never once mentioned that to LE.

he's a liar.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

i agree. desmom figured out that the show on that day/timeframe was "unwrapped". i posted how that is NOT a cooking show. it tells you how things are made (like twinkies) NOT how to cook and, according to cindy, george was "learning to cook"

[sydney]

Thank you very much ee but I did not buy it.Just drink it

can i have some?

[sydney]

:thumbsup: like this post

thanks, des. i would like to claim credit, but it's not me......

[sydney]

I don't think they had Caylee on a schedule in the Anthony house.

(snipped by me - always respectfully).

hey, dee! didn't cindy say that they had a routine for caylee? i remember reading that in one of her statments. cindy and kc always would give her a bath and put caylee to bed. desmom the link queen? can you find it? thanks.

[sydney]

Great observation. My kids still wake up at the crack of dawn. They haven't hit the teenage years. Yup, something stinks here and it isn't the trash from Casey's car.

o/t. hey, ka! my kids went from teenage to "adult" in my house ("adult" means to me, over 25!). they went thru this weird stage - getting up early to watch cartoons, magically sleeping late in high school, and magically getting up to watch cartoons when over 25! go figure!

[sydney]

dj - psssssssst. sorry i called you des. my fingers have a mind of their own!

[Bala]

We all know Casey liked to party and drinking and smoking pot was a part of that. We also know that she would take Caylee with her when she had to. So does that mean Casey was drinking and driving with Caylee in the car?

[cassidy]

We all know Casey liked to party and drinking and smoking pot was a part of that. We also know that she would take Caylee with her when she had to. So does that mean Casey was drinking and driving with Caylee in the car?



Probably...

[sydney]

Caylee was looked after at night by Cindy/George and Casey drug her out of the house in the morning. Was Caylee nothing but their rag doll.


yeah, mommy and gramma's little tug-toy. my kids were on a schedule - for my benefit as much as theirs, i'm sure we all could agree. they felt good being bathed, fed and in their beds at the same time every night. it gave them a sense of normalcy and routine. it's important for children to have a sense of routine, in my opinion, and i liked the routine as well.

as i said before, they try desperately to convince everyone that zanny was real, while caylee seemed just to be a figment of their imagination. poor, poor little girl. God bless her and give her peace.

[sydney]

g'night guys. going to call it an early one. i have loads of stuff to get done.

talk to you fine folks tomorrow!

[kakax]

I havae been looking for an article trying to find if you can get dna from gravewax and ran across this.

Looks like a doctorate paper so I don't know how reliable it is....


The extraction of DNA from adipocere is currently being attempted to determine the extent of degradation that occurs during decomposition. The possibility of using DNA degradation as a technique for determining PMI will be concurrently investigated. Additionally, species identification using DNA extracted from adipocere will be explored and will hopefully overcome the limitations of chemical composition identified in Shari's previous research.


http://www.science.uts.edu.au/des/StaffPages/BoydDent/shari.html

[kakax]

g'night guys. going to call it an early one. i have loads of stuff to get done.

talk to you fine folks tomorrow!


night syd!

[kakax]

Another article....


"We are extracting DNA from adipocere, a waxy residue of decomposed tissue, from the brains of 91 of the Indians buried at the site," Cynthia Dickel said.

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/06/25/science/scientists-study-ancient-dna-for-glimpses-of-past-worlds.html?pagewanted=4


I'm thinking it is very possible to extract dna from this matter that was in her trunk.

[kakax]

In case you are interested in the google search results....


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ei=BkaHSpb7HNSTtgeGutznDA&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=dna+from+adipocere&spell=1


Lots of articles about getting dna from adipocere. Finally learning how to spell it LOL!

[onlykaty]

I found it..

http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/m/20463491/search-for-caylee.htm#q=cindy+anthony

I have this video saved on my pc and I play it often, the sweetest smack down anyone has given her yet...I LOVE it.

[happygert]

(respectfully snipped by me)

hey, holden! welcome. many posters have posted a picture of zg on these boards. here it is again:













zanny the nanny


look like anyone you know? :rolleyes:


No but the description sounded familar.. well except the 10 its just in the describer's eyes...:rolleyes:

[CelticDawn]

Amy Huizenga interview...She called Tony on the 17th of July, 2008..
Told her about a text message on the 16th. Tony said Casey said on her text, "If they never find Caylee she would spend eternity in jail."

when her texts were subpoenaed, did this text show up??....Seems it would, on one account or another.

hmmmmm
That sounds kind of backward considering that they DID find Caylee's remains and now hopefully she WILL spend "eternity"(as she calls it) in jail.

[AlohaRainbow]

I havae been looking for an article trying to find if you can get dna from gravewax and ran across this.

Looks like a doctorate paper so I don't know how reliable it is....


The extraction of DNA from adipocere is currently being attempted to determine the extent of degradation that occurs during decomposition. The possibility of using DNA degradation as a technique for determining PMI will be concurrently investigated. Additionally, species identification using DNA extracted from adipocere will be explored and will hopefully overcome the limitations of chemical composition identified in Shari's previous research.


http://www.science.uts.edu.au/des/StaffPages/BoydDent/shari.html
very interesting. thanks for posting this, kakax!

[imc_e]

Frustrated with the case?

Watch this and enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gWb636tAxM


:biggrin:

[apothecary]

Frustrated with the case?

Watch this and enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gWb636tAxM


:biggrin:
Thanx ce,that was funny:laugh:

[imc_e]

Caylee Baby Forever :rose:

grab a tissue for this one...

Hard to watch but it puts the case right back into perspective.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClwhSJcQXvc&feature=channel

[JadedPoet]

GA's various interviews with LE and FBI: he never once mentioned what transpired in the home, with Caylee and Casey the morning of the 16th. The only thing he mentioned was a generality: he was the one who normally fed "the little girl breakfast', because Casey slept late, however he wasnt referring to THAT morning.....it was a general statement...

he did not mention a thing about that morning. only his 'cooking show' at 10 to 1, their exit and wonders of wonders, his impeccable recall of clothing. it is my understanding that he is now fabricating the 'events' of the morning...although I have not personally read the 'new account'......just read opinions here regarding recent statements he made that encompass prior to 10 to 1.....although he never once mentioned that to LE.

he's a liar.

IMO

best regards,
Pru


*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Does anyone know if George was actually correct in his clothing description? Was that was Caylee was wearing when she was discarded in the woods? Maybe he saw her in the trunk of the car, had seen her little body in the garbage bags? Maybe he even helped re-bag her? I would think that would be an image that would be indelible in your mind, even 31 days later. :crying:

[happygert]

Dont know if anyone's here or not. but, heres my resaons that casey will be convicted no matter who's on her defense team.. they will never be able to explain these away..
1) 31 days not reporting Caylee missing.. then wanting to know why LE wanted to talk to her for..
2)smell of decomp in car.
3) dog hitting on car, pool area, sand box and Caylee's playhouse.. that shows the dead body was in caseys own back yard. and her car.
4) maggot evidence
5)where Caylee's body was found.in area where casey buried dead pets and partied
6) no one seeing Caylee after the video with greatgrandpa.
7) NEVER a NANNY. (no one ever seen her or ever talked to her.. NO proof of ever paying a sitter let alone a nanny. no job to need a nanny or sitter ..
8)GRAVE WAX in the trunk on paper towels.
9)trash bags linking back to anthonys
10) laundry hamper that matched one in A's home.
11) The winnie the pooh blanket that matched Caylee's in her room.
12)DUCT TAPE that matched the TAPE on george's gas can..

there's many more but those alone should put the nails in caseys coffin.. mo NO attorney of any magnitude will ever be able to explain those away... I dont care if they've never lost a case .. there's always the first..
PS I also think there is evidence on that duct tape linking it to casey.. either theres hair, fingerprints, or some kind of dna.. it was said who prints were not on tape but didnt say if casey's was or was NOT on the TAPE.

[happygert]

Dang what happened to our night shift? Guess Im the only insomniac left..

[happygert]

Hey gert...
How are ya?
How have you been feeling. I hope your hand is better..:wink:

Hi Deannalynn, Hand is doing a little better.. thanks for asking..
How are you?
Been kinda of lonely around here lately...lol...

[happygert]

I was trying to put my finger on it. I finally realized (I think) Cindy has Bi-polar.
I had a friend years ago who behaved in her manner. Up sometimes and snaps the next.
I wonder, has she ever utilized the services of a Psychiatrist? She needs medicated.
Perhaps if they medicated her and calmed her down she would want to tell some truth of all this. dunno

Deannalynn, I dont think theres any meds on gods green earth that will ever help cindy.. dont think they have meds for psychopath narcissists..

[happygert]

Yes, yes, we are missing quite a few of our night shift, gert...I hope they drop in with some good stuff for us to think about.
The link provided for us with Casey in it. (jail)
Sooo funny!

yes.. Do you really think that casey's defense team is ever going to be able to explain away any of these?

1) 31 days not reporting Caylee missing..
2)smell of decomp in car.
3) dog hitting on car, pool area, sand box and Caylee's playhouse.. that shows the dead body was in caseys own back yard. and her car.
4) maggot evidence
5)where Caylee's body was found.in area where casey buried dead pets and partied
6) no one seeing Caylee after the video with greatgrandpa.
7) NEVER a NANNY. NO proof of ever paying a sitter let alone a nanny. no job to need a nanny or sitter ..
8)GRAVE WAX in the trunk on paper towels.
9)trash bags linking back to anthonys
10) laundry hamper that matched one in A's home.
11) The winnie the pooh blanket that matched Caylee's in her room.
12)DUCT TAPE that matched the TAPE on george's gas can..

I dont think theres anyway possible that they will ever explain these away.. These things alone should get her convicted..

[JadedPoet]

Ya know, I was listening to a few tapes from Casey's friends and classmates and they seemed to be sticking up for her. Jesse said he doesn't think Casey would do anything to hurt Caylee. But then again perhaps she put a show on in front of him.
Amy eluded to the same. Altho she lied and stole from her she still said it. Tony said the same.
I'm wondering if Casey treated Caylee like a little princess around them. In fact, Tony said he thought if anything ever happened to Caylee that Casey would have a mental breakdown.
He also said, if anything happened to Caylee like an accident while in Caseys care the last person she would tell would be Cindy.
Cindy was always on Caseys back yelling and hollering and always pushed her to be the best she could be. (In a cruel way)
Hmmmm.

I thought I read that Tony had only been around Caylee a few times. Am I remembering wrong?

[JadedPoet]

This is true...He said maybe 3 times at most. He thought if anything ever happened to Caylee it would be by accident. Like choking on dog food or swallowing a rock. That Caylee liked to put things in her mouth.
None of this has anything to do with Caylee being murdered however. Casey did not go to anyone's house on that day she took off with Caylee,
By the way, what time was it that Casey took off with Caylee. I read it was in the night and another time I read she took off in the day.:confused:

How can Tony possibly know whether Casey had it in her to harm her daughter?! He'd only known her for such a brief time. I'm sure it's dawning on him just how little he knew about her, huh?

I don't think we'll ever know the truth about when she left. One of the great mysteries in life. I do wonder, though, if they are coming up with different stories about it because they have something to hide or if they are just lying to confuse everybody. Like Lee said, lying for the sake of lying.

[happygert]

Ya know, I was listening to a few tapes from Casey's friends and classmates and they seemed to be sticking up for her. Jesse said he doesn't think Casey would do anything to hurt Caylee. But then again perhaps she put a show on in front of him.
Amy eluded to the same. Altho she lied and stole from her she still said it. Tony said the same.
I'm wondering if Casey treated Caylee like a little princess around them. In fact, Tony said he thought if anything ever happened to Caylee that Casey would have a mental breakdown.
He also said, if anything happened to Caylee like an accident while in Caseys care the last person she would tell would be Cindy.
Cindy was always on Caseys back yelling and hollering and always pushed her to be the best she could be. (In a cruel way)
Hmmmm.

IMO casey was probably no doubt the doting mom when others were around.. She has to keep up her act.. I really dont think that her friends seen casey too much with Caylee.. Jesse was probably the one who seen her with Caylee the most.. but we have to remember casey was putting on the charm in front of Jesse.. then when she thought Jesse loved Caylee more then her it was all over.. She couldn't have that she had to be first.. and I dont think Tony seen Caylee and casey more then maybe 3 or 4 times together.. Psychopaths are like chameleons .they adapt to whatever situation to make them selves appear to be the best at everything... I know this lady, who everyone thought was a perfect mom.. well at least she appeared to be on outside.. but when home with her kids it was bad. she hated her son the girls could do no wrong. I got into a knock down drag out with this lady who I used to baby sit for.. she threw her son threw a plate glass window, burnt him with hot coffee and stick his head in a bucket of water.. IT was HORRIBLE.. I turned her into DCFS.. .Not everyone is what they appear to be.. I learnt that early..

I truly believe Caylee was an abused child . I also think cindy and george knew this and IM sure Caylee seen cindys temper as well as casey's
Look at SP no one thought he'd hurt Laci..Not even Laci's own parents thought he would ever do anything to hurt her.. Remember them saying at first scott and Laci were the "perfect" couple..he's a psychopath to.. they can only have feelings for themselves.. no one else.. they have no conscience

IMO cindy and casey were too much alike both narcisisstic and psychopathic personalities.. Both have to be front and center.. no room for Caylee .. Caylee was an inconvenience for both.. Neither one loved Caylee or cared about her..cindy didnt want her anymore then casey did.. cindy made casey keep Caylee out of control not out of love.. cindy and george knew casey was an unfit mom.. cindy did NOTHING to protect Caylee..IMO when casey was gone with Caylee cindy was happy no competition for george's attention..
cindy said she took care of Caylee ok how much time aday did she spend with Caylee? If cindy got home form work at 6 fixed supper then Caylee ate, took a bath and went to bed around 7 or 8 she sure didnt spend that much time taking care of her..

[JadedPoet]

I wonder why these have not been addressed. They have had plenty of time.

They simply can't address these issues, IMO, so they don't. They probably either want it to look like they're holding this BIG secret and want us to wait with bated breath, or they are still trying--in vain--to come up with plausible excuses.

[happygert]

They will have a heck of a time trying. Maybe that's part of why this trial won't be seen til late next year.
Wonder if Casey will be able to explain any of it. She is a rather quick thinking liar. They will have to have her help. If she don't talk she's going to be on death row for sure.

casey will never take the stand.. and jb cant say what casey told him about this..and his so called experts are just going to say it's junk science..hl is going to say it ham and cheese is what caused the smell.. well hl good luck on that.. so they are screwed..cindy and george wont be able to explain it either because no one will believe a word they say..Going to be interesting when they take the witness stand..

[happygert]

I wonder why these have not been addressed. They have had plenty of time.


They want these things swept under the rug they dont want these things remembered.. hoping they will go away.. But got news for them they aren't going anywhere..They will be front and center in States case..

[happygert]

I agree with you poet on the Tony know Caylee and Casey together. Don't know why he said that accept he did say Casey had some emotional problems from the short time he knew her.
He said when Casey would bring Caylee over Caylee liked to show off and dance around them. This has me thinking Caylee wanted some attention. Attention she never received in the home or with the Anthony's. That child was ignored and no quality time was spent with her.
CINDY was NOT the great wonderful loving Gramma she wants the world to think she was. That's why she and George are deep into this and know a lot more than what they say to the LE, the media and they do nothing but get caught up in their lies.
Casey learned by the best.
jmo
jmo


ITA! Caylee was ignored.. Even in the videos you can see she craving some attention from whos behind the camera no one EVER says ONE word to her.. The only times I remember anyone saying anything is the one where she's walking . look she did it (something to that effect) and the tape with great grandpa.. telling her to give him a hug.. When Caylee smiles imo she's not really smiling .. looks like a fake smile.. When my grandson smiles you see his whole face lit up.. eyes and all.. Caylee's dont.. jmo..

[happygert]

I'm having trouble believing that but as the saying goes, "absence makes the heart grow fonder."
I do think they know they should have had been better Grandparents and wish they could turn back the hands of time.:mellow:

I agree they should have been better grandparents.. However I dont think they'd want to turn back the hands of time unless of course it was to let casey give Caylee up for adoption..or not to make that 911 call and deal with casey on their own and tell everyone that casey gave Caylee up for adoption that why casey was afraid to come home..

They like the money they are making off selling everything of Caylee.. jmo..they are making up for what they paid out for Caylee and what casey stold from them ..IMO they think they are entitled to live the rest of their lives of Caylee's blood..IMO they think Caylee owes them for cindy taking care of her for 2 years..

[happygert]

Baez claims they will have a "Aha" moment and all I have to say is it better be a bench burner..Like calling a witness to the stand. ZANNY herself!:scared: Anything less than that, Casey can kiss her life goodbye!

Yep and if you listen to the description of the so called nanny it sounds just like casey except for the height.. and of course she's a 10 and casey sure thinks she 's a 10...

[happygert]

I noticed when she was with her great Grandpa and they put a book in front of her. She kept turning the pages but never pointed out who was in the pictures in the book. And they say they sat down and read to her frequently. Nah!
There's too many of us Grand parents out here that know what our children and grandchildren do when we hand them a book.

They treated Caylee more like an object on display then they did as a human being.
jmo

ITA!.. we know what is our grandchilds favorites.. My grandson tells me which ones he wants me to read to him.( he brings the book to me). I have some nursery rhyme books and I know his favorites have to read same ones over and over and he tries to say them with me.. he even goes to what pages they are

[happygert]

The State sure acts like they have a complete handle on this case. I wish I was a fly on the wall in the D/A's office.

They have another hearing on motions (I believe) next Friday. Did I read that somewhere?

They sure do.. And with all the delays requested by the defense they have just gave the State more time to get all their ducks in a row..They did the State a big Favor..

Oh I wish I was a fly on the wall in their office too.. Especially when they were doing cindys depo.. Just wonder how many times they had to go to the Judge to make cindy answer questions she didnt want to answer.. I also think the reason they were suppose to go to court the week before cindys depo was because I think she was supposed to show up for her depo and didnt do it.. then bc went to DA's and gave them some stuff that cindy wouldn't give them and I think he told them she'd be there on Monday and she didnt show. That hearing was to hold her and george in contempt... I think that's why the LE escort on Tuesday..cindy was pi$$ed when she was walking in with the deputy you couold she her fuming..mo

Yes theres supposed to be a hearing Friday.. Hope its not postponed.. we need some new stuff.. also hope the media hurry's up and gets the hearing on the jail house videos from casey's reaction when Caylee's body was found..

[happygert]

Oops gert, I didn't go down far enough.
I bolded my comments and questions. sorry:blushing:

not a problem done it before myself.. I think it was told in some interview dont remember who's might have been Jim Hoovers in the ZFG depos with M&M.. however I think that was one of the bar complaints against jb.. Think IIRC it was dc himself who made the complaint.. around same time Judge Strickland made his..

[happygert]

No body. no murder, no death penalty.They will have to have a miracle on the defense side in order to get Casey acquitted is what I think.
What I don't understand is Linda Baden taking on this case. She's a high profile attorney out there and that's not even her jurisdiction.
Her specialty is forensic evidence I think.
AL is there to beg and cry to save Casey from the death penalty. Then there's Baez. His specialty is, er, um, darn give me a minute. Ummm, chasing ambulances?:lol:

Linda Baden is in it because of the high profile of this case. and yes thats her specialty because of her hubby...However when she was the lawyer in PS trial and her hubby testified they caught him not being exactly truthful.. so in the first trial it was a mistrial.. I think dont think any one in this case is doing it for pro bono.. I think the same will be true in this case of him being caught fudging the evidence.if he testifies.. they will get every interview and tv show that hes done on this case to impeach him..HL is another one who will be impeached.. anymore these so called high priced experts have sold their souls to the devil.. they will say whatever defense wants them to say... but I do think casey will be convicted..
I hope the Judge puts the breaks on Al before the crying act begins.. I dont think the State will let her pull this crap in fla.. I also dont think the Judge will put up with her antics in his courtroom either..

What keeps me going is I know I want justice for Caylee as well as everyone else does.. That once this trial starts JB cant say he didn't have enough time to prepare for this case or say the attorneys were in- effective as casey's counsel..so no appeal on those issues.. The Judge and state have gave them ample time..and the State will be able to show what links cindy and george will go to by lying and covering for casey.. IMO the wait will be worth it.. I really dont care if casey gets DP or LWOP.. makes no difference to me.. the only thing is if she gets DP automatic appeals.. and she's still separated from GP.. if she gets LWOP no automatic appeal and she goes to GP immediately..


everyone EXECPT her mom grandparents and caseys defense team. wants justice for Caylee's murder

[happygert]

night all..

[Sun]

Dont know if anyone's here or not. but, heres my resaons that casey will be convicted no matter who's on her defense team.. they will never be able to explain these away..
1) 31 days not reporting Caylee missing.. then wanting to know why LE wanted to talk to her for..
2)smell of decomp in car.
3) dog hitting on car, pool area, sand box and Caylee's playhouse.. that shows the dead body was in caseys own back yard. and her car.
4) maggot evidence
5)where Caylee's body was found.in area where casey buried dead pets and partied
6) no one seeing Caylee after the video with greatgrandpa.
7) NEVER a NANNY. (no one ever seen her or ever talked to her.. NO proof of ever paying a sitter let alone a nanny. no job to need a nanny or sitter ..
8)GRAVE WAX in the trunk on paper towels.
9)trash bags linking back to anthonys
10) laundry hamper that matched one in A's home.
11) The winnie the pooh blanket that matched Caylee's in her room.
12)DUCT TAPE that matched the TAPE on george's gas can..

there's many more but those alone should put the nails in caseys coffin.. mo NO attorney of any magnitude will ever be able to explain those away... I dont care if they've never lost a case .. there's always the first..
PS I also think there is evidence on that duct tape linking it to casey.. either theres hair, fingerprints, or some kind of dna.. it was said who prints were not on tape but didnt say if casey's was or was NOT on the TAPE.

Here are a few more that you can add to your list.

13)Statements from lots of witnesses who will claim that Casey told them that Caylee was with the nanny during those 31 days.
14)Statements from lots of witnesses who will claim that Casey did not tell them Caylee was "missing" and that Casey did not appear concerned for Caylee in any way during those 31 days.
15)The "lies" that Casey told to her family during those 31 days.
16)The bad behavior of Cindy to try to get LE to look at anyone BUT Casey, and their uncooperating behavior in regards to locating Caylee.

[Julie Dupree]

17)Oh, was she not partying at Fusion in the time Caylee was missing?
18)Oh and the no cloths party where she was just wearing the American flag.? :sneaky:

Good Morning,
I thought the no clothes party (American Flag) was during Memorial Day week end...not during the time she was partying at Fusion in her blue dress and go-go boots. Maybe I have my parties mixed up??

[Julie Dupree]

I agree they should have been better grandparents.. However I dont think they'd want to turn back the hands of time unless of course it was to let casey give Caylee up for adoption..or not to make that 911 call and deal with casey on their own and tell everyone that casey gave Caylee up for adoption that why casey was afraid to come home..

They like the money they are making off selling everything of Caylee.. jmo..they are making up for what they paid out for Caylee and what casey stold from them ..IMO they think they are entitled to live the rest of their lives of Caylee's blood..IMO they think Caylee owes them for cindy taking care of her for 2 years..

(red mine)

I think this is the ONLY thing Cindy is sorry she did. I believe she thinks everything else she did was 100% the right thing to do.

[Sun]

Good morning everyone!

I do believe that Casey's behavior during those 31 days that nobody saw Caylee, will be a huge factor in the trial. There are so many people who will testify as to Casey's behavior. And, if Casey or the defense can't produce a Zanny, then the Jury will have no choice but to believe that Casey lied to many, many people about the whereabouts of Caylee. That is huge! And so far, Baez sure hasn't come up with any believeable defense that shows a Zanny exists.

To the witness statements, add the forensics obtained from the car, the site on Suburban drive, and Casey's PC and cell phone. The testimony from LE/FBI that have worked this case (even the cadavor dog). The State will use all of this to give the Jury what they need to return a verdict of Guilty to Murder One.

I'm going to be interested to see how the State will present all of this to a Jury.

[Sun]

Good Morning,
I thought the no clothes party (American Flag) was during Memorial Day week end...not during the time she was partying at Fusion in her blue dress and go-go boots. Maybe I have my parties mixed up??

Correct Julie. The no-clothes party was in May. Some of the things that we have learned about through Discovery and the media, may never be told or shown to a Jury. The words "highly prejudicial" and "relevence" come to mind.

[Holden]

Thanks everyone for the warm welcome. I got a good laugh out of those ZFG 'sketches'. You posters are so clever. I have been caught up in this case since it began and was getting impatient for the trial to start, but now that I have found all of you, I think I can wait. Besides, as a poster said in an earlier thread, the more time between now and the trial, the more chances for more lies (tho it's hard to believe any of the A's could even think of more). I am dying to know what went on in those depositions. CA was oh, so very coy and non-speaking. Wonder if she chewed gum thru the whole thing? And GA with his flip-flops and shorts. I don't care if it is Fl - where is their respect? Does anyone wonder how they managed to raise a murderer?

[Sun]

I do wonder if the Jury will ever learn (in the courtroom) that Casey sold pics of the victim (Caylee) after she killed her.

[Julie Dupree]

Good morning everyone!

I do believe that Casey's behavior during those 31 days that nobody saw Caylee, will be a huge factor in the trial. There are so many people who will testify as to Casey's behavior. And, if Casey or the defense can't produce a Zanny, then the Jury will have no choice but to believe that Casey lied to many, many people about the whereabouts of Caylee. That is huge! And so far, Baez sure hasn't come up with any believeable defense that shows a Zanny exists.

To the witness statements, add the forensics obtained from the car, the site on Suburban drive, and Casey's PC and cell phone. The testimony from LE/FBI that have worked this case (even the cadavor dog). The State will use all of this to give the Jury what they need to return a verdict of Guilty to Murder One.

I'm going to be interested to see how the State will present all of this to a Jury.

Sun, what are your thoughts on how the defense will handle the Zannie story. I would think they would have to be able to present some sort of evidence that she existed from someone, or from Casey. I am not so sure they would want to put Casey on the witness stand, but how else can they make Zannie real?
Your thoughts...

[Julie Dupree]

I do wonder if the Jury will ever learn (in the courtroom) that Casey sold pics of the victim (Caylee) after she killed her.

Good thought to ponder! I wonder how much of things we know about this case, about Casey, about her interactions with family and friends will be presented to the jury? Will the jury ever see any of the videos or pictures that have made their way to the media?

[Julie Dupree]

Thanks everyone for the warm welcome. I got a good laugh out of those ZFG 'sketches'. You posters are so clever. I have been caught up in this case since it began and was getting impatient for the trial to start, but now that I have found all of you, I think I can wait. Besides, as a poster said in an earlier thread, the more time between now and the trial, the more chances for more lies (tho it's hard to believe any of the A's could even think of more). I am dying to know what went on in those depositions. CA was oh, so very coy and non-speaking. Wonder if she chewed gum thru the whole thing? And GA with his flip-flops and shorts. I don't care if it is Fl - where is their respect? Does anyone wonder how they managed to raise a murderer?

:) I didnt see the gum being chewed when Cindy was being escorted into the building.........but she may have had some in her bag. If not, I bet she got to some ASAP when she got home.

[Sun]

Sun, what are your thoughts on how the defense will handle the Zannie story. I would think they would have to be able to present some sort of evidence that she existed from someone, or from Casey. I am not so sure they would want to put Casey on the witness stand, but how else can they make Zannie real?
Your thoughts...

I believe that the only way we will see Casey take the stand, is if she
"absolutely insists" (and I'm sure that Lyon would council Casey against taking the stand).

The State has got some fairly good evidence in Casey's own cell phone records, that Casey has never phoned Zanny. So as I see it, the defense will not be successful in making a Jury believe that Zanny exists, no matter what they come up with, due to Casey's own cell phone records.

[spiritwolf46]

Thanks everyone for the warm welcome. I got a good laugh out of those ZFG 'sketches'. You posters are so clever. I have been caught up in this case since it began and was getting impatient for the trial to start, but now that I have found all of you, I think I can wait. Besides, as a poster said in an earlier thread, the more time between now and the trial, the more chances for more lies (tho it's hard to believe any of the A's could even think of more). I am dying to know what went on in those depositions. CA was oh, so very coy and non-speaking. Wonder if she chewed gum thru the whole thing? And GA with his flip-flops and shorts. I don't care if it is Fl - where is their respect? Does anyone wonder how they managed to raise a murderer?

Good morning, Holden and welcome to the board!!

Doesn't surprise me at all that they raised a monster. They are so dysfunctional, in SO many avenues, nothing surprises me coming from that family. Their whole entire dynamics is nothing short of SCARY! That is for sure! ;)

[msgatorslayer]

I believe that the only way we will see Casey take the stand, is if she
"absolutely insists" (and I'm sure that Lyon would council Casey against taking the stand).

The State has got some fairly good evidence in Casey's own cell phone records, that Casey has never phoned Zanny. So as I see it, the defense will not be successful in making a Jury believe that Zanny exists, no matter what they come up with, due to Casey's own cell phone records.

Yeah, they're backed into a corner by Casey because she spoke so much. Thinking LE would believe everything she said. She even tried to explain away the lack of phone evidence by saying she 'lost her Black Berry'. The one provided through 'work'. She reported it to 'security'.:rolleyes:

On top of that, she said her current phone was used to try and get ahold of "Zanny' after nobody was at the aparment when she went to pick Caylee up. Proven to not be true by phone records.

Another thing that leads me to believe that "Zanny' was only recently a character put into action by the demise of Caylee is that Casey's phone book doesn't even have a fake "Zanny number'. Similar to what she did for "Universal' and other numbers in her book.

[Julie Dupree]

I believe that the only way we will see Casey take the stand, is if she
"absolutely insists" (and I'm sure that Lyon would council Casey against taking the stand).

The State has got some fairly good evidence in Casey's own cell phone records, that Casey has never phoned Zanny. So as I see it, the defense will not be successful in making a Jury believe that Zanny exists, no matter what they come up with, due to Casey's own cell phone records.

And without a Zanny, how do you think they will attempt to explain the 31 days?

[msgatorslayer]

And without a Zanny, how do you think they will attempt to explain the 31 days?

"Ugly coping', I guess. :laugh:

[Barbara fl.]

Thanks everyone for the warm welcome. I got a good laugh out of those ZFG 'sketches'. You posters are so clever. I have been caught up in this case since it began and was getting impatient for the trial to start, but now that I have found all of you, I think I can wait. Besides, as a poster said in an earlier thread, the more time between now and the trial, the more chances for more lies (tho it's hard to believe any of the A's could even think of more). I am dying to know what went on in those depositions. CA was oh, so very coy and non-speaking. Wonder if she chewed gum thru the whole thing? And GA with his flip-flops and shorts. I don't care if it is Fl - where is their respect? Does anyone wonder how they managed to raise a murderer?



Good morning all,

Well one thing is for sure, the Anthony's better get used to not chewing gum and better get rid of the shorts and flip flops for the trial...it will not be allowed in the court room....

Wonder how they will get by without that gum?

[Postergeist]

I believe that the only way we will see Casey take the stand, is if she
"absolutely insists" (and I'm sure that Lyon would council Casey against taking the stand).

The State has got some fairly good evidence in Casey's own cell phone records, that Casey has never phoned Zanny. So as I see it, the defense will not be successful in making a Jury believe that Zanny exists, no matter what they come up with, due to Casey's own cell phone records.

Morning All!

The cell phone records- do you think there's a chance that there were some pics held back that we don't know about?

I know this is an awful thought- so apologizing now- Casey was big about taking lots of pics, if she was building this Zanny took the baby story- do you think she might've snapped off a photo after she duct taped Caylee, to show to her mom that "see, I have to be quiet- she sent me this" and this explains how when the reports came out of a child's body found *with duct tape* that the A's could be so unemotional during that wkend they stayed at the hotel being catered to by the news?

[Postergeist]

Good morning all,

Well one thing is for sure, the Anthony's better get used to not chewing gum and better get rid of the shorts and flip flops for the trial...it will not be allowed in the court room....

Wonder how they will get by without that gum?

Mornin' Barbara- I'm going with she'll say she uses gum for medicinal purposes and that it's required to maintain her health, so she won't have to "do without" - but hoping she'll get smacked down for it.

:D

[Barbara fl.]

And without a Zanny, how do you think they will attempt to explain the 31 days?


Good morning,


Even with Zanny.....31 days is unexceptable...that is going to be the biggest hump to get over....And the way Casey went looking for her child during that time will be a little hard to convince a jury...that Fusion was a place to look for Caylee.....

Casey is a gonna....it's just a shame that tax payers money has to be spent on a trial for this murderer...

Florida would have went a whole lot easier on her had she fessed up from the beginning......she can forget it now, no pity will be given her....

[msgatorslayer]

Morning All!

The cell phone records- do you think there's a chance that there were some pics held back that we don't know about?

I know this is an awful thought- so apologizing now- Casey was big about taking lots of pics, if she was building this Zanny took the baby story- do you think she might've snapped off a photo after she duct taped Caylee, to show to her mom that "see, I have to be quiet- she sent me this" and this explains how when the reports came out of a child's body found *with duct tape* that the A's could be so unemotional during that wkend they stayed at the hotel being catered to by the news?

Hmm, interesting question, Postie.

But I don't think Casey would have thought that far ahead.

At the time she killed Caylee, IMO, she didn't know what her story was going to be. And would not have thought to take pics in order to use them as 'proof' later. To show that "Zanny' threatened her with pics of her child being duct taped.

[Barbara fl.]

Mornin' Barbara- I'm going with she'll say she uses gum for medicinal purposes and that it's required to maintain her health, so she won't have to "do without" - but hoping she'll get smacked down for it.

:D


She will have to bring a Doctors note....and Dr. Murray is a little busy right at the moment...Dr Lee's note wont be acceptable (judge will deny it) Doubt if Koby wuld get involved with it.....

So the gum must go....:laugh:

[Barbara fl.]

Morning All!

The cell phone records- do you think there's a chance that there were some pics held back that we don't know about?

I know this is an awful thought- so apologizing now- Casey was big about taking lots of pics, if she was building this Zanny took the baby story- do you think she might've snapped off a photo after she duct taped Caylee, to show to her mom that "see, I have to be quiet- she sent me this" and this explains how when the reports came out of a child's body found *with duct tape* that the A's could be so unemotional during that wkend they stayed at the hotel being catered to by the news?


I doubt that she took pictures to create the Zanny story....HOWEVER, I wouldn't doubt that she took pictures of Caylee in that state (she is just that evil of a person) and that could be why she got rid of the entire cell.....

I don't know if pictures on a cell can be retrieved without the cell....but I doubt it....

[Postergeist]

Hmm, interesting question, Postie.

But I don't think Casey would have thought that far ahead.

At the time she killed Caylee, IMO, she didn't know what her story was going to be. And would not have thought to take pics in order to use them as 'proof' later. To show that "Zanny' threatened her with pics of her child being duct taped.

Mornin' Ms. Gator- you're right, she didn't seem to be one for a big plan, except for that bizarre detailed adventure she told her mom (unless all of that was Cindy's imagination!) during her get away.

I was just thinking about how Howard K. took the death photos of Danny and ANS- & wondered if Casey would be so crazy to do that.

BTW- was the Target & grocery store trips ever broken down for what was exactly purchased?

I know that both Target & grocery stores do sell duct tape.

[Sun]

And without a Zanny, how do you think they will attempt to explain the 31 days?

By saying that it was a kidnapper. A kidnapper that warned Casey from contacting anyone or LE, and that Casey feared for her family's safety. The defense may claim that the "kidnapper" could have put the duct tape on Caylee (which is why I am really, really hoping that the State/FBI do in fact have at least partial prints on that duct tape).

IMO, the defense will try to allude to the Jury that Caylee was kidnapped. And, that Casey didn't say anything to anyone because she was afraid. ....I'm not buying that a kidnapper had anything to do with Caylee's death. Just that this is likely to be the position that the defense will take.

[Julie Dupree]

Yeah, they're backed into a corner by Casey because she spoke so much. Thinking LE would believe everything she said. She even tried to explain away the lack of phone evidence by saying she 'lost her Black Berry'. The one provided through 'work'. She reported it to 'security'.:rolleyes:

On top of that, she said her current phone was used to try and get ahold of "Zanny' after nobody was at the aparment when she went to pick Caylee up. Proven to not be true by phone records.

Another thing that leads me to believe that "Zanny' was only recently a character put into action by the demise of Caylee is that Casey's phone book doesn't even have a fake "Zanny number'. Similar to what she did for "Universal' and other numbers in her book.


I wonder if Zanny was not created much earlier and Casey used it as an "alternate". This was posted

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread431159/pg1


24 - KC at party at Buffalo Wild Wings. Meets TL for first time.
AD receives a traffic citation for 2 people not wearing seatbelts in her car.
ZG22(Zanaida Gonzalez), receives two traffic citations: one for running an intersection, and one for not having a valid driver's license. Note that Operating a motor vehicle without a valid driver's license is a [url=http://www.justiceflorida.com/2008/03/articles/sealing-your-record/adjudicated-guilty-versus-adjudication-withheld-its-important-to-know-the-diff erence-when-trying-to-seal-your-criminal-record/]Criminal Offense[/url in Florida.

[Sun]

JULY 8th, 2008 at 10:14pm. File created, OCSO found graphic on Casey’s Laptop computer.

“WHY DO PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE, WHO KILL PEOPLE, TO SHOW PEOPLE THAT TO KILL PEOPLE IS BAD?”

[Postergeist]

I doubt that she took pictures to create the Zanny story....HOWEVER, I wouldn't doubt that she took pictures of Caylee in that state (she is just that evil of a person) and that could be why she got rid of the entire cell.....

I don't know if pictures on a cell can be retrieved without the cell....but I doubt it....

ah good point- she seemed a bit upset that this *other* phone was lost. Maybe she did have a second phone just for the fake ransom calls from the good/bad she's a 10 babysitter and did snap a pic or two, wouldn't put it past her to do some staging.

[Sun]

Casey Anthony’s MySpace posting JULY 7th, 2008 at 6:50pm:

“On the worst of worst days, remember the words spoken, Trust no one, only yourself. With great power, comes great consequence. What is given, can be taken away. Everyone Lies. Everyone Dies. Life will never be easy. On the worst of worst days, remember the words spoken, Hold your head high. Smile. Laugh. Love Unconditionally. TOMORROW IS A BRAND NEW DAY.”

[Barbara fl.]

JULY 8th, 2008 at 10:14pm. File created, OCSO found graphic on Casey’s Laptop computer.

“WHY DO PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE, WHO KILL PEOPLE, TO SHOW PEOPLE THAT TO KILL PEOPLE IS BAD?”



I guess Casey was starting to worry about the death penalty.....

Too late for that....

[msgatorslayer]

Mornin' Ms. Gator- you're right, she didn't seem to be one for a big plan, except for that bizarre detailed adventure she told her mom (unless all of that was Cindy's imagination!) during her get away.

I was just thinking about how Howard K. took the death photos of Danny and ANS- & wondered if Casey would be so crazy to do that.

BTW- was the Target & grocery store trips ever broken down for what was exactly purchased?

I know that both Target & grocery stores do sell duct tape.

G'morning! That bizarre story, I believe, was nothing more than something she pulled outta her tail on a dime. It made no sense. But was her excuse as to why she was stealing gas cans from her parents home.

I don't believe we've ever had a detailed list of her shopping trips. Only some store video's where certain items can be seen. Like the beer and ugly white sun glasses, lol.

Since it's been said the duct tape on Caylee's body matches that found at the Anthony's home, I don't think Casey spent stolen money to buy any. She took it from her parents. Just like the laundry bag. The gas. And the food she brought to TonE's.

The Anthony home was like a shopping center for her. If it was there, she took it. Why waste stolen money on something if she didn't have to!!!:tongueside:

[Julie Dupree]

Morning All!

The cell phone records- do you think there's a chance that there were some pics held back that we don't know about?

I know this is an awful thought- so apologizing now- Casey was big about taking lots of pics, if she was building this Zanny took the baby story- do you think she might've snapped off a photo after she duct taped Caylee, to show to her mom that "see, I have to be quiet- she sent me this" and this explains how when the reports came out of a child's body found *with duct tape* that the A's could be so unemotional during that wkend they stayed at the hotel being catered to by the news?

OML, I knew she was a horrible person, but do you really think she would have taken a picture of Caylee like that???? The thought of this happening makes me want to ....(well you know).

[Julie Dupree]

By saying that it was a kidnapper. A kidnapper that warned Casey from contacting anyone or LE, and that Casey feared for her family's safety. The defense may claim that the "kidnapper" could have put the duct tape on Caylee (which is why I am really, really hoping that the State/FBI do in fact have at least partial prints on that duct tape).

IMO, the defense will try to allude to the Jury that Caylee was kidnapped. And, that Casey didn't say anything to anyone because she was afraid. ....I'm not buying that a kidnapper had anything to do with Caylee's death. Just that this is likely to be the position that the defense will take.

So...Casey just made up the Zanny story so she would not violate the kidnappers demands??

[Sun]

Morning All!

The cell phone records- do you think there's a chance that there were some pics held back that we don't know about?

I know this is an awful thought- so apologizing now- Casey was big about taking lots of pics, if she was building this Zanny took the baby story- do you think she might've snapped off a photo after she duct taped Caylee, to show to her mom that "see, I have to be quiet- she sent me this" and this explains how when the reports came out of a child's body found *with duct tape* that the A's could be so unemotional during that wkend they stayed at the hotel being catered to by the news?

It would have been sick of Casey to snap a pic (her Nokia phone didn't have this capability, did it?). But I suppose that Casey did have access to the video camera.

What the State will show, is that of all of the photos that they recovered from Casey's PC usage, not a single one was found of Zanny. I wonder if the pics from Casey's computer will ever be seen by a Jury. Seems like the defense will fight to keep them out of the trial. Some of those pics of skulls, and such (would have an impact, if the State could show that Casey downloaded them after Caylee was killed).

[msgatorslayer]

I wonder if Zanny was not created much earlier and Casey used it as an "alternate". This was posted

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread431159/pg1


24 - KC at party at Buffalo Wild Wings. Meets TL for first time.
AD receives a traffic citation for 2 people not wearing seatbelts in her car.
ZG22(Zanaida Gonzalez), receives two traffic citations: one for running an intersection, and one for not having a valid driver's license. Note that Operating a motor vehicle without a valid driver's license is a [url=http://www.justiceflorida.com/2008/03/articles/sealing-your-record/adjudicated-guilty-versus-adjudication-withheld-its-important-to-know-the-diff erence-when-trying-to-seal-your-criminal-record/]Criminal Offense[/url in Florida.

I think Casey used the "Zanny' name occasionally to tell friends who had Caylee, besides her Mom. And used the name with her parents on the rare occasion that they didn't have her.

She did not go to extreme measures in trying to prove through the years that this woman existed.

[Postergeist]

G'morning! That bizarre story, I believe, was nothing more than something she pulled outta her tail on a dime. It made no sense. But was her excuse as to why she was stealing gas cans from her parents home.

I don't believe we've ever had a detailed list of her shopping trips. Only some store video's where certain items can be seen. Like the beer and ugly white sun glasses, lol.

Since it's been said the duct tape on Caylee's body matches that found at the Anthony's home, I don't think Casey spent stolen money to buy any. She took it from her parents. Just like the laundry bag. The gas. And the food she brought to TonE's.

The Anthony home was like a shopping center for her. If it was there, she took it. Why waste stolen money on something if she didn't have to!!!:tongueside:

Well Cindy sure seems to have perfect recall with all that Casey told her. Another one of Casey's odd habits, lots of background info, lots of filler- be fine if she was getting paid by the word.

And thanks, I wasn't clear if the lab reports concluded that- or that was just media and posters coming to the conclusion that the duct tape matched/was similar.

LOL- yep, Casey was a proficient looter sneaking back into her House of Free Loot! The A's didn't care- the only thing they cared about was putting new locks on the shed- and that got busted anyway. They didn't make any efforts to change the house locks, or hide in the house to catch her on one of her many pilfering trips back.

I think part of them was happy she was out of their presence.

[Sun]

So...Casey just made up the Zanny story so she would not violate the kidnappers demands??

Yes, to explain away the 31 days, and not contacting LE or explaining to anyone why she didn't know where Caylee was. The defense may even allude that Casey used "Zanny" in other prior times to keep herself from being "in trouble." ....and that Casey was scared and didn't know what to do, so she just implicated her ficticious Zanny character when questioned by LE and DCF.

If she tries this, it would indicate to me that she had something to hide. To lie to keep from being "in trouble" is a sure sign of guilt. Gosh, I can't even come up with a good reason of how she can explain away those 31 days.

[Sun]

I guess Casey was starting to worry about the death penalty.....

Too late for that....

And that is exactly what the Jury will think.

[Postergeist]

OML, I knew she was a horrible person, but do you really think she would have taken a picture of Caylee like that???? The thought of this happening makes me want to ....(well you know).

I think it's not unreasonable for this particular woman, no. It just hadn't crossed my mind before.

But she did have some disturbing images on her computer, she at least leans towards the macabre with some of her movie choices, etc.

She may have taken it out of spite- to later mentally torture her mom with it- or to try to gain sympathy, or money, or for her "proof" that see! She was kidnapped!

[SoggyBayou]

http://www.baezlawfirm.com/

Effective and Aggressive Orange County Criminal Defense Attorneys

"At Baez Law Firm, criminal defense lawyers believe in providing our clients with high quality legal services. Our criminal defense attorneys are always well-prepared for trial. Because each case has its own unique circumstances, we investigate each case diligently. We will look for exonerating evidence and identify alternative theories and avenues of defense. Every client is treated with respect by our lawyers and professional staff at Baez Law Firm"

From the above quote:
"We will look for exonerating evidence".............OK, I'll agree with that.

"identify alternative theories and avenues of defense"...............Smoke and mirrors

With smirk:
http://10.184.80.152/www.baezlawfirm.com/images/home_r1_c1.jpg

Without smirk:
http://10.184.80.155/www.baezlawfirm.com/images/video_r2_c2.jpg

Also, his success story links take you back to the main page.....

Sorry for getting off topic, I had not checked his web page in a while.









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[Postergeist]

It would have been sick of Casey to snap a pic (her Nokia phone didn't have this capability, did it?). But I suppose that Casey did have access to the video camera.

What the State will show, is that of all of the photos that they recovered from Casey's PC usage, not a single one was found of Zanny. I wonder if the pics from Casey's computer will ever be seen by a Jury. Seems like the defense will fight to keep them out of the trial. Some of those pics of skulls, and such (would have an impact, if the State could show that Casey downloaded them after Caylee was killed).

hmm- not sure Sun, I didn't study too hard on her phone. Wonder if she did take her parents video camera from the house?

Apparently, there are quite a few pics that LE/FBI made aware to George- that he commented on- they way they talked, it did sound like these were *adult* in nature. So much that George told LE that he didn't want Cindy finding out about it, that it would just destroy her, or along those lines.

You're right about no pics of Zanny- and LE likely asked enough of her friends as to if they could ID the multitude of pics of friends and every one had a name that wasn't ZFG.

I know in other trials, internet and cable usage have been used after their spouse was found murdered/missing, so the State may be able to bring those in. <crossing fingers>

[Sun]

http://www.wesh.com/video/17433249/index.html

I found this old video yesterday in regards to Casey making money off of Caylee's death. Goes to show just where Baez was headed, way back in 2008.

[Dells]

yes.. Do you really think that casey's defense team is ever going to be able to explain away any of these?

1) 31 days not reporting Caylee missing..
2)smell of decomp in car.
3) dog hitting on car, pool area, sand box and Caylee's playhouse.. that shows the dead body was in caseys own back yard. and her car.
4) maggot evidence
5)where Caylee's body was found.in area where casey buried dead pets and partied
6) no one seeing Caylee after the video with greatgrandpa.
7) NEVER a NANNY. NO proof of ever paying a sitter let alone a nanny. no job to need a nanny or sitter ..
8)GRAVE WAX in the trunk on paper towels.
9)trash bags linking back to anthonys
10) laundry hamper that matched one in A's home.
11) The winnie the pooh blanket that matched Caylee's in her room.
12)DUCT TAPE that matched the TAPE on george's gas can..

I dont think theres anyway possible that they will ever explain these away.. These things alone should get her convicted..

Oh yes, there is so much evidence that is going to convict Casey. I would like to add:

13)All of Casey's lies
14)All of George, Cindy, and Lee's lies
15)Casey's demeanor during the time Caylee was missing (and after)

If someone is so innocent, then why lie? For me the only logical explanation as to why Casey was lying is that she was trying to cover up for what she did. She also never explained just how Caylee got out of her possession. Caylee was only 2 years old, Casey should have been able to account for her whereabouts for every second of every single day. Also, look at Casey's demeanor. She was living it up by partying and stealing from her friends. Also, her tattoo. Who get's a tattoo of any kind, let alone one that says "Beautiful Life", while your 2 year old child is missing?:sneaky:

[sammy62]

Mornin' Ms. Gator- you're right, she didn't seem to be one for a big plan, except for that bizarre detailed adventure she told her mom (unless all of that was Cindy's imagination!) during her get away.

I was just thinking about how Howard K. took the death photos of Danny and ANS- & wondered if Casey would be so crazy to do that.

BTW- was the Target & grocery store trips ever broken down for what was exactly purchased?

I know that both Target & grocery stores do sell duct tape.

The duct tape that was found was an older style duct tape. It had writing on it, and the company said they haven't made that kind in years. So there is a chance a old hardware store would have some on the shelves yet....but certainly not target. didn't the duct tape that George had on gas can have the same writing? Does anyone remember...other wise I'll go searching.

[Dells]

Ya know, I was listening to a few tapes from Casey's friends and classmates and they seemed to be sticking up for her. Jesse said he doesn't think Casey would do anything to hurt Caylee. But then again perhaps she put a show on in front of him.
Amy eluded to the same. Altho she lied and stole from her she still said it. Tony said the same.
I'm wondering if Casey treated Caylee like a little princess around them. In fact, Tony said he thought if anything ever happened to Caylee that Casey would have a mental breakdown.
He also said, if anything happened to Caylee like an accident while in Caseys care the last person she would tell would be Cindy.
Cindy was always on Caseys back yelling and hollering and always pushed her to be the best she could be. (In a cruel way)
Hmmmm.

I think some of Casey's friends were sticking up for her in the beginning because they just couldn't wrap their brain around the fact that Casey did in fact murder Caylee. I am not sure when exactly those statements in defense of Casey were made, but my guess would be near the beginning of the case. I think as time went on, and the evidence came out about this case, they changed their minds very quickly. I am sure that Jesse (and most of Casey's former friends and associates) no longer feel Casey is innocent. At one time Jesse was engaged to Casey, so it just may have taken him longer to accept the reality that Casey very likely did murder Caylee.

I can't remember the friend's name, but there is one friend of Casey's that was asked during his LE interview what he thinks happened to Caylee. He point blank told them that he thinks Casey murdered her.

Look at the beginning of this case. Casey did have some supporters. But, as time went on and the evidence and lies all started coming out, people changed their minds. Who wants to believe that a young, beautiful mother could be capable of murdering her own 2 year old baby? Look at Scott Peterson. In the beginning of his case, he had all the support of Laci's friends and family, but as time went on and all the facts came out they all changed their minds. They didn't want to believe he was capable of murdering his pregnant wife, but he did. He was convicted and is now sitting on death row.

At the beginning of this case I truly felt that this was an accident and that Casey was afraid to admit to her parents that Caylee had died while under her care. I felt that she initially started covering it up and then it just snowballed from there. But as the evidence started coming out, I quickly changed my mind. I also think now that w/all of her high profile attorneys, they would be stupid to let her go for a murder one charge and the DP if this was an accident. I am not exactly sure what her attorneys actually know about this case from Casey, but to me it appears like they are going about defending her as if she is guilty. I know we don't know too much about their defense strategies, but so far the "nanny did it" and "ugly coping" are not too promising in proving Casey's innocence.

[sydney]

:) I didnt see the gum being chewed when Cindy was being escorted into the building.........but she may have had some in her bag. If not, I bet she got to some ASAP when she got home.

http://books.google.com/books?id=IAyB2K_JD0QC&pg=PA63&lpg=PA63&dq=lying+and+dry+mouth&source=bl&ots=eRQtc8554B&sig=XNBaflXFezvei0fQX3By2zh_VCo&hl=en&ei=5iuISsPuMZP-MLLg7c0E&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7

good morning! just a quick drive-by. i heard that dry-mouth is something people experience when they are scared, lying, that sort of behaviour. i wonder if the constant gum chewing and water drinking is a way for cindy and george to keep their tongue moist while the are giving statements. (btw, i am not saying the above link is the most accurate, but i found it interesting)

i know when i am under stress, sometimes my mouth goes dry. which begs me to ask the question - why would one be stressed telling the truth about what they know?

i'm sure you fine posters can find many more reputable links.

[enigma™]

The duct tape that was found was an older style duct tape. It had writing on it, and the company said they haven't made that kind in years. So there is a chance a old hardware store would have some on the shelves yet....but certainly not target. didn't the duct tape that George had on gas can have the same writing? Does anyone remember...other wise I'll go searching.

"Henkel" was on the duct tape. They now put the name on the inside of the cardboard roll, IIRC.

[sydney]

I believe that the only way we will see Casey take the stand, is if she
"absolutely insists" (and I'm sure that Lyon would council Casey against taking the stand).

The State has got some fairly good evidence in Casey's own cell phone records, that Casey has never phoned Zanny. So as I see it, the defense will not be successful in making a Jury believe that Zanny exists, no matter what they come up with, due to Casey's own cell phone records.

hey, sun! i also believe (as i said earlier) that le would have pulled utility records, rental records, that kind of thing with the invisi-nanny's information on it. like i said, in ILLinois, you have to provide your ssn for utilities and i believe it's on rental applications so they can pull a credit check on you before they rent the apartment to you. if you have a record of breaking your lease, you would hardly be a good candidate to rent to. not only that, think of the cost - lost security deposits for rentals and utilities. this invisi-person must have been rich to afford losing those AND coming up with money for security deposits for new apartments. i would venture a guess that le would have tried to track this information as well and learned that invisi-nanny never existed. and, if this invisi-nanny was so rich (iirc, per kc) why didn't she just buy a condo?

not only that (sorry to repeat myself) but if this invisi-nanny kept moving around all the time and changing her cell phone number all the time, there would be a trail to follow. and, if i were cindy, that news would have been cause for concern to me - what was invisi-nanny running from? an ex-boyfriend, creditors, the law?

my other thought is, when did cindy learn that invisi-nanny kept moving around? surely, her locations/cell phone number didn't become important until the 31 day period, right? i mean, did kc try to say invisi-nanny moved all these times during the 31 days? gmab.

her locations prior to the 31 days could hardly be of imporance, right? her most current location would be the only one that matters....does anyone know what i mean?

[Barbara fl.]

The duct tape that was found was an older style duct tape. It had writing on it, and the company said they haven't made that kind in years. So there is a chance a old hardware store would have some on the shelves yet....but certainly not target. didn't the duct tape that George had on gas can have the same writing? Does anyone remember...other wise I'll go searching.



Yes, it was said that the duct tape on the gas can matched the tape that was with Caylee.....but the defense experts will probably argue that.....

If I were the prosecutor's on this case, I would ride on everything that can not be argued down.....the 31 days, the odor in the trunk, the Zanny lie, the abandoning of the car, the job lying (took LE right to the door)....Let's not forget about Casey not allowing George near the car trunk....there is just so much that the prosecutor's have that is solid...


There is NO way this murderer is going to gt off...just no way....

[Dells]

They will have a heck of a time trying. Maybe that's part of why this trial won't be seen til late next year.
Wonder if Casey will be able to explain any of it. She is a rather quick thinking liar. They will have to have her help. If she don't talk she's going to be on death row for sure.

I so agree w/your post. I think that if Casey doesn't talk and admit to what she did (a believable version:rolleyes:) then she will get to the DP for sure. The only way to avoid that for sure would be a plea deal and as part of that deal Casey would have to talk and spill her guts.

Bolding mine....

Yes, Casey is a quick thinking liar. She only thinks ahead enough to get her out of the current situation, and not a moment beyond. That is why her lies fall apart so quickly, even w/the slightest scrutiny.

[sydney]

just to add to my earlier post, if invisi-nanny made her living as a nanny (as we are led to believe), where are the other clients? or did kc pay so much in "child care" that invisi-nanny didn't NEED other clients?

[Dells]

I wonder why these have not been addressed. They have had plenty of time.

Because they are waiting for trial so they can exonerate Casey.:rolleyes: Doesn't make sense to you either, huh?

[101Spots]

Quote:
Originally Posted by happygert
yes.. Do you really think that casey's defense team is ever going to be able to explain away any of these?

1) 31 days not reporting Caylee missing.. She was afraid for her life and the lives of her family.
2)smell of decomp in car. Junk science
3) dog hitting on car, pool area, sand box and Caylee's playhouse.. that shows the dead body was in caseys own back yard. and her car. More junk science
4) maggot evidence Rotten pizza/junk science
5)where Caylee's body was found.in area where casey buried dead pets and partied She partied somewhere else. Kiomarie is full of beans. OR someone else put it there to incriminate her
6) no one seeing Caylee after the video with greatgrandpa. George saw her and Cindy heard her sleeping
7) NEVER a NANNY. NO proof of ever paying a sitter let alone a nanny. no job to need a nanny or sitter .. She worked for Universal, but at a secret branch of the company; phone company records are incomplete.
8)GRAVE WAX in the trunk on paper towels. Dead squirrels/junk science
9)trash bags linking back to anthonys Lots of people have those trash bags
10) laundry hamper that matched one in A's home. Coincidence.
11) The winnie the pooh blanket that matched Caylee's in her room. Lots of those blankets sold; not hers
12)DUCT TAPE that matched the TAPE on george's gas can.. Lots of rolls sold/coincidence

I dont think theres anyway possible that they will ever explain these away.. These things alone should get her convicted..
Oh yes, there is so much evidence that is going to convict Casey. I would like to add:

13)All of Casey's lies Lying doesn't make you a murderer.
14)All of George, Cindy, and Lee's lies They're not on trial.
15)Casey's demeanor during the time Caylee was missing (and after) Ugly coping

---------------------------------------------
Red above is mine.

I do not believe for 1 nanosecond any of the above excuses. It's just an example of what the defense will try to float.

[Barbara fl.]

hey, sun! i also believe (as i said earlier) that le would have pulled utility records, rental records, that kind of thing with the invisi-nanny's information on it. like i said, in ILLinois, you have to provide your ssn for utilities and i believe it's on rental applications so they can pull a credit check on you before they rent the apartment to you. if you have a record of breaking your lease, you would hardly be a good candidate to rent to. not only that, think of the cost - lost security deposits for rentals and utilities. this invisi-person must have been rich to afford losing those AND coming up with money for security deposits for new apartments. i would venture a guess that le would have tried to track this information as well and learned that invisi-nanny never existed. and, if this invisi-nanny was so rich (iirc, per kc) why didn't she just buy a condo?

not only that (sorry to repeat myself) but if this invisi-nanny kept moving around all the time and changing her cell phone number all the time, there would be a trail to follow. and, if i were cindy, that news would have been cause for concern to me - what was invisi-nanny running from? an ex-boyfriend, creditors, the law?

my other thought is, when did cindy learn that invisi-nanny kept moving around? surely, her locations/cell phone number didn't become important until the 31 day period, right? i mean, did kc try to say invisi-nanny moved all these times during the 31 days? gmab.

her locations prior to the 31 days could hardly be of imporance, right? her most current location would be the only one that matters....does anyone know what i mean?


You bring up some very good points....The defense is probably going to say that Zanny was in this country illegal therefore she would have left no paper trail about herself....However, even illegal immigrants have to go to the store, they have to go out side sometime.....and didn't Casey claim to give Caylee to her on the steps and also at Blanchard park...I would think that someone, a neighbor, a store clerk, or someone would have seen this Zanny somewhere with Caylee.....This "so called" 10) sure missed everyones eyes but Casey's....

No one saw her because she doesn't exist....no jury would think anything else.....

But, I believe the defense is going to go with that account, for one, they have nothing else to use....for two, if they changed the story now it would only make Casey look like even a bigger liar (if that's possible).....so I believe they will stick with the Zanny story.....

[Dells]

How can Tony possibly know whether Casey had it in her to harm her daughter?! He'd only known her for such a brief time. I'm sure it's dawning on him just how little he knew about her, huh?

I don't think we'll ever know the truth about when she left. One of the great mysteries in life. I do wonder, though, if they are coming up with different stories about it because they have something to hide or if they are just lying to confuse everybody. Like Lee said, lying for the sake of lying.

Bolding mine....

I agree. Normal people can't understand how someone could murder someone else. In most other cases of murder, people say the same thing about the suspect. Look at Scott Peterson. In the beginning, no one thought he was capable of murdering Laci and his unborn son. And yet he did.

[sydney]

[QUOTE=Barbara fl.;13370028]However, even illegal immigrants have to go to the store, they have to go out side sometime QUOTE]

(snipped by me, always with respect)

not only that, illegals do use ssn's (someone else's - i have yet to see a rental app in ILL that doesn't ask for one in order to run a credit check)

[Dells]

They simply can't address these issues, IMO, so they don't. They probably either want it to look like they're holding this BIG secret and want us to wait with bated breath, or they are still trying--in vain--to come up with plausible excuses.

They have already started to plant the seeds of doubt by coming up w/the "junk science" strategy.:rolleyes: I think this will probably be front and center during the trial.

[Barbara fl.]

just to add to my earlier post, if invisi-nanny made her living as a nanny (as we are led to believe), where are the other clients? or did kc pay so much in "child care" that invisi-nanny didn't NEED other clients?



Because it's all a crock of $%!^.....Can't wait for this trial....will store up on the pop corn and the soft drinks and stay glued...

I just hope they don't pull a Scott Peterson (by not airing it).....But that was only because Sharon Rocha had requested it....In this case the Anthony's wishes will not be granted......

[sydney]

Bolding mine....

I agree. Normal people can't understand how someone could murder someone else. In most other cases of murder, people say the same thing about the suspect. Look at Scott Peterson. In the beginning, no one thought he was capable of murdering Laci and his unborn son. And yet he did.

hey, dell. i believed it. but then, i was removed - people close to the situation can't see the forest for the trees, so to speak. who wants to believe that about someone who loves their child? it takes a step back to see the big picture, and they were most definitely emotionally involved. with time, that step back came, and sharon could see the forest.

[sydney]

Because it's all a crock of $%!^.....Can't wait for this trial....will store up on the pop corn and the soft drinks and stay glued...

I just hope they don't pull a Scott Peterson (by not airing it).....But that was only because Sharon Rocha had requested it....In this case the Anthony's wishes will not be granted......

but that won't stop them from making a *heartfelt* plea. perhaps this time they can argue that their family has been dragged thru the mud media-wise, and everyone knowing that's not true because of their many public appearances - things are getting quiet now. i really think that when the hearing was held regarding the autopsy report, it was decided that george would do the talking. when i watched that, i could almost see cindy (head in hand) reciting the lines she gave ga to say (under her breath).

next time, i think SHE will be the one pleading because "she" can do it better. i am sure it will come out as fake as when ga did it.

[Barbara fl.]

but that won't stop them from making a *heartfelt* plea. perhaps this time they can argue that their family has been dragged thru the mud media-wise, and everyone knowing that's not true because of their many public appearances - things are getting quiet now. i really think that when the hearing was held regarding the autopsy report, it was decided that george would do the talking. when i watched that, i could almost see cindy (head in hand) reciting the lines she gave ga to say (under her breath).

next time, i think SHE will be the one pleading because "she" can do it better. i am sure it will come out as fake as when ga did it.



I think they can plea all they want....no one is going to listen to them....They are not the most trust worthy people going....so I believe it will be aired....(at least I'm sure hoping it is)....It was a big let down when SP's trial wasn't aired.....

[sydney]

sorry guys - housework (HATE that word!) calls. talk to you later.

:wub:

[Barbara fl.]

This really sounds like fiction now.
Kidnappers usually always have a reason why they have a certain person pointed out. The fact that they pin pointed Caylee out of all the millions of people out would be interesting in itself. For financial gain, No. For political reasons, no. For the rich and famous, no.
So, how does Caylee explain why these kidnappers had their eye on Caylee Anthony. Why does Casey say she has to protect the family. The Baby is dead and she still has to protect her family and herself. This is so far fetched she could never come up with anything close to believable.
IF there was a Zanny the Nanny. What would this Zanny the Nanny and her posse be getting out of this alledged kidnapping of a little girl named Caylee Anthony. Anyone have a good imagination?:confused:


No, we would need Casey (and only her)on this one, but she is indisposed at the moment...:laugh:

[Sun]

yes.. Do you really think that casey's defense team is ever going to be able to explain away any of these?

1) 31 days not reporting Caylee missing.. She was afraid for her life and the lives of her family. Doesn't really make any sense that she would be in fear more for her family, than she would be for Caylee. Caylee was 2 yrs old. Caylee was her own child. Can't produce any ransom note. Can't produce any ransom demands. Can't produce a written script. Can't produce any evidence that she was even searching for Zanny or Caylee during those 31 days.

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Blue above is mine. Casey provided false info to LE, in regards to Zanny, where Zanny lived and couldn't even produce a phone number for Zanny. ...poster above made a good point about Zanny's number not even being programmed into Casey's phone either.

[Dells]

Linda Baden is in it because of the high profile of this case. and yes thats her specialty because of her hubby...However when she was the lawyer in PS trial and her hubby testified they caught him not being exactly truthful.. so in the first trial it was a mistrial.. I think dont think any one in this case is doing it for pro bono.. I think the same will be true in this case of him being caught fudging the evidence.if he testifies.. they will get every interview and tv show that hes done on this case to impeach him..HL is another one who will be impeached.. anymore these so called high priced experts have sold their souls to the devil.. they will say whatever defense wants them to say... but I do think casey will be convicted..
I hope the Judge puts the breaks on Al before the crying act begins.. I dont think the State will let her pull this crap in fla.. I also dont think the Judge will put up with her antics in his courtroom either..

What keeps me going is I know I want justice for Caylee as well as everyone else does.. That once this trial starts JB cant say he didn't have enough time to prepare for this case or say the attorneys were in- effective as casey's counsel..so no appeal on those issues.. The Judge and state have gave them ample time..and the State will be able to show what links cindy and george will go to by lying and covering for casey.. IMO the wait will be worth it.. I really dont care if casey gets DP or LWOP.. makes no difference to me.. the only thing is if she gets DP automatic appeals.. and she's still separated from GP.. if she gets LWOP no automatic appeal and she goes to GP immediately..


everyone EXECPT her mom grandparents and caseys defense team. wants justice for Caylee's murder

Bolding mine.....

That is a very good point. On one of the talk shows, I think it was NG, Nancy pointed out just this fact. I believe she said that the prosecution as ask them how much they were paid for their appearance in court. It will be up to the jury if they find their testimony credible or not.

[Dells]

Sun, what are your thoughts on how the defense will handle the Zannie story. I would think they would have to be able to present some sort of evidence that she existed from someone, or from Casey. I am not so sure they would want to put Casey on the witness stand, but how else can they make Zannie real?
Your thoughts...

I really don't see a way that they can go w/Zanny the nanny did it. There is absolutely no evidence that she existed. Their only hope along those lines is to go w/a SODDI. They can say that someone did take Caylee, but Casey was too afraid to name who that person was because she was afraid for her safety and the safety of her family. Yeah, that won't work either, but if the defense continues to maintain that Casey is innocent they really have nothing else to go on. In order to go w/a SODDI they would also probably have to put Casey on the stand at trial, and I have a hard time believing that will happen. I guess we will have to wait and see. They really have no options, so it will be interesting to see what they come up with.

[Dells]

Good thought to ponder! I wonder how much of things we know about this case, about Casey, about her interactions with family and friends will be presented to the jury? Will the jury ever see any of the videos or pictures that have made their way to the media?

I hope a lot of it is presented, but I think the defense is going to dispute every single piece of evidence in this case. I think if the interactions, pictures, and videos took place during the time Caylee was missing, I don't see how the defense would be able to keep them out.

[101Spots]

yes.. Do you really think that casey's defense team is ever going to be able to explain away any of these?

1) 31 days not reporting Caylee missing.. She was afraid for her life and the lives of her family. Doesn't really make any sense that she would be in fear more for her family, than she would be for Caylee. Caylee was 2 yrs old. Caylee was her own child. Can't produce any ransom note. Can't produce any ransom demands. Can't produce a written script. Can't produce any evidence that she was even searching for Zanny or Caylee during those 31 days.

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Blue above is mine. Casey provided false info to LE, in regards to Zanny, where Zanny lived and couldn't even produce a phone number for Zanny. ...poster above made a good point about Zanny's number not even being programmed into Casey's phone either.

None of it makes a lick of sense, but *nothing* is below the level of this defense team. LKB was party to her husband's "Lana Clarkson shot herself, severing her spinal cord, then got up and danced around a bit before flopping in the chair" defense.

Incredulous. But she tried.

[Bala]

This really sounds like fiction now.
Kidnappers usually always have a reason why they have a certain person pointed out. The fact that they pin pointed Caylee out of all the millions of people out would be interesting in itself. For financial gain, No. For political reasons, no. For the rich and famous, no.
So, how does Caylee explain why these kidnappers had their eye on Caylee Anthony. Why does Casey say she has to protect the family. The Baby is dead and she still has to protect her family and herself. This is so far fetched she could never come up with anything close to believable.
IF there was a Zanny the Nanny. What would this Zanny the Nanny and her posse be getting out of this alleged kidnapping of a little girl named Caylee Anthony. Anyone have a good imagination?:confused:
At the end of the day it won't matter who she says kidnapped Caylee her reaction was still the same. Calm Cool and Collected. She was still partying hardy down at Fusions and still didn't report her daughter missing for 31 days.

[Dells]

Good morning,


Even with Zanny.....31 days is unexceptable...that is going to be the biggest hump to get over....And the way Casey went looking for her child during that time will be a little hard to convince a jury...that Fusion was a place to look for Caylee.....

Casey is a gonna....it's just a shame that tax payers money has to be spent on a trial for this murderer...

Florida would have went a whole lot easier on her had she fessed up from the beginning......she can forget it now, no pity will be given her....

Bolding mine....

Good point and I so agree w/you. Mark Eiglarsh (who is a TH who appears on a lot of HLN programs) once said that he thinks the single most damaging piece of evidence against Casey is the fact that she did not report her daughter missing for 31 days. And he goes on to say that it wasn't even Casey that reported her missing, it was Cindy. Mark Eiglarsh is a defense attorney and he used to be a prosecutor, and he has said that from all the attorneys that he knows, not one of them has been able to give him a reasonable explanation as to why Casey never reported Caylee missing. I think sometimes a simple fact like this can be more damaging then some forensics evidence. This is something that the average person can understand and relate to, and I don't think too many people will buy what the defense in going to be trying to sell in terms of why Caylee was never reported missing by her own mother.

[Sun]

Bolding mine....

Good point and I so agree w/you. Mark Eiglarsh (who is a TH who appears on a lot of HLN programs) once said that he thinks the single most damaging piece of evidence against Casey is the fact that she did not report her daughter missing for 31 days. And he goes on to say that it wasn't even Casey that reported her missing, it was Cindy. Mark Eiglarsh is a defense attorney and he used to be a prosecutor, and he has said that from all the attorneys that he knows, not one of them has been able to give him a reasonable explanation as to why Casey never reported Caylee missing. I think sometimes a simple fact like this can be more damaging then some forensics evidence. This is something that the average person can understand and relate to, and I don't think too many people will buy what the defense in going to be trying to sell in terms of why Caylee was never reported missing by her own mother.

Mark Eiglarsh makes some very good points. And, coupled with the fact that 31 days passed before LE was notified, are all the witness statements of Casey saying that Caylee was fine and with Zanny. Or, Casey telling Cindy that Caylee couldn't speak to her for one reason or another during those same 31 days.

Is it really true that George only phoned Casey twice from his cell phone during those 31 days? Seems odd to me, unless he perhaps used the Anthony home phone to call. Did George not want to speak with Caylee during those 31 days? Did George not miss Caylee enough to phone Casey and ask to talk with Caylee during those 31 days?

IMO Cindy and George have presented many false statements in regards to their own relationship, and their relationship in regards to Casey and Caylee.

[Holden]

I wonder if casey will take the stand in her own defense. I hope she does. Sociopaths are so convinced they are smarter than everyone else. Jeff Macdonald took the stand and look what happened to him. He was arrogant, argumentative and smug and boy, did it play against him. Wouldn't I love to see casey on the stand, smiling her coctail-party grin, smirking. Would be great theatre.

[Sun]

I wonder if casey will take the stand in her own defense. I hope she does. Sociopaths are so convinced they are smarter than everyone else. Jeff Macdonald took the stand and look what happened to him. He was arrogant, argumentative and smug and boy, did it play against him. Wouldn't I love to see casey on the stand, smiling her coctail-party grin, smirking. Would be great theatre.

Baez's last client who was charged for murdering a child, took the stand.

[happygert]

Baez's last client who was charged for murdering a child, took the stand.

Sun, imo casey wont take the stand.. she thinks jb and company will get her off.. Ohhh how I wish she would but I'm not holding my breath..

[Julie Dupree]

Sun, imo casey wont take the stand.. she thinks jb and company will get her off.. Ohhh how I wish she would but I'm not holding my breath..

I think if she does, I think they will have to scrape her off the chair because the SA will make mince meat of her :)

[really3997]

Just popping in to give a heads up. It appears that the A's have not been around for the weekend. Not sure if they made an appearance somewhere. One of my friends saw Mallory's car in the driveway

[happygert]

I think if she does, I think they will have to scrape her off the chair because the SA will make mince meat of her :)

Yes.. Oh, I wish she would take the stand.. I'd love to see it... she'd be on there for weeks...

[Julie Dupree]

Just popping in to give a heads up. It appears that the A's have not been around for the weekend. Not sure if they made an appearance somewhere. One of my friends saw Mallory's car in the driveway

Really, how far is the Eastside Baptist Church from Hopesprings Drive..(I think that is the name of G&C new church)???

[Julie Dupree]

Yes.. Oh, I wish she would take the stand.. I'd love to see it... she'd be on there for weeks...

:) Do you think she would smell like decaying pizza when she was finally allowed to leave?

[enigma™]

Just popping in to give a heads up. It appears that the A's have not been around for the weekend. Not sure if they made an appearance somewhere. One of my friends saw Mallory's car in the driveway

It seems like mally-BOO only appears when the A's disappear, or is it just my perception?

[Sun]

Just popping in to give a heads up. It appears that the A's have not been around for the weekend. Not sure if they made an appearance somewhere. One of my friends saw Mallory's car in the driveway

Casey's court hearing is scheduled for this coming Friday. Could be they are up to another "distraction" ....afterall, they've most likely "sold" their appearances and need to fullfill their obligations so that they will get paid. Of course, media will deny paying for appearances, and instead hide behind licensing of photos/videos.

[really3997]

Really, how far is the Eastside Baptist Church from Hopesprings Drive..(I think that is the name of G&C new church)???

5-10 min:biggrin:

[Bala]

I think that by the time this goes to trial we will see G&C switch sides and stand behind the prosecutors. They know by now if they ride the Casey is innocent story to the end they will never recover enough credibility to keep riding the Caylee gravy train. I'm sure the quick response to their book deal has sent them the message loud and clear. If they stick by Casey to the end they will be shunned by the world over. No sponsor will want to touch any show they're on and no one will take a chance on a book deal.

[Julie Dupree]

It seems like mally-BOO only appears when the A's disappear, or is it just my perception?

I think Mallory is the designated "puppy sitter".