'Death To Obama' Sign Holder Detained In Maryland

[daniel green]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/13/death-to-obama-sign-holde_n_258601.html

OMG. The sign also said death to Mrs Obama and their daughters.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Terrible , just terrible! However I wonder if people believe it is allowed since it was IGNORED when Bush was president?






One protester even brandished a sign that seemed to advocate Bush's assassination. The man held a large photo of Bush that had been doctored to show a gun barrel pressed against his temple.

"BUSH: WANTED, DEAD OR ALIVE," read the placard, which had an X over the word "ALIVE."

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/08/13/press-largely-ignored-hostile-rhetoric-directed-bush


The hypocrisy is showing.

[ABC]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/13/death-to-obama-sign-holde_n_258601.html

OMG. The sign also said death to Mrs Obama and their daughters.

Sorry to see that happen and glad the nut got arrested. Sad. When I was at Huff Post today, I thought I was at the American Thinker site. There is an article there that suggests, paraphrasing, the Health Plan War is lost. The picture they have posted of Obama makes him look sick and fraile, in my opinion.

[daniel green]

Sorry to see that happen and glad the nut got arrested. Sad. snipped.

Very sad. This is the kind of nut the haters are encouraging. I am just aghast at that sign.

Glad he is arrested. Hope they keep him under lock and key.

[Lady_Jean_La]

Sorry to see that happen and glad the nut got arrested. Sad. When I was at Huff Post today, I thought I was at the American Thinker site. There is an article there that suggests, paraphrasing, the Health Plan War is lost. The picture they have posted of Obama makes him look sick and fraile, in my opinion.
The internal memo article is interesting too.

[TBIBeg]

Very sad. This is the kind of nut the haters are encouraging. I am just aghast at that sign.

Glad he is arrested. Hope they keep him under lock and key.

Who are the 'haters'? Thos that disagree with the health care bill?


I hope they keep this nut and force him into some sort of psychiatric treatment. Calling for the 'death' of someone simply because you don't share the same political views is insane.

[TBIBeg]

The internal memo article is interesting too.


Yes it was.....

[daniel green]

snipped Calling for the 'death' of someone simply because you don't share the same political views is insane.

And for the death of a First Lady and her daughters, as well.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

And for the death of a First Lady and her daughters, as well.

AND for any president, as well, right?

[Brentwood]

I believe people of this mindset are very dangerous.

[theal3]

Totally disgusting. I may tune into Fox and see how they cover this issue, since they inflame others, so they can get the good pics. These fringes are what Rush, Hannity, Beck etc. appeal to. The so called base of the the GOP.

[ABC]

Who are the 'haters'? Thos that disagree with the health care bill?


I hope they keep this nut and force him into some sort of psychiatric treatment. Calling for the 'death' of someone simply because you don't share the same political views is insane.
See, in America folks can't be forced into psych treatment without a trial. It ain't that easy. Well, I agree with the "death" quote and was appalled when it was done to George W.

[incidentally]

I don't care what side anyone is on, this is disgusting.

I voted for Obama and I am ashamed I did, but to wish death on him and his family is despicable.

[Brentwood]

I am becoming very concerned that many dismiss the threats. I pray for the safety of Obama and his family and other Democrats that have received threats.

[flareon]

Relax.

That's why we have a Secret Service.

Hand-Wringing and Political Finger Pointing isn't going to solve anything, IMO.

If Bush survived the Crazy Leftists, BO and the Libs will survive this.

:laugh:

That's the truth. As always with them it is situational values and ethics.

The only thing transparent about this group is their hypocrisy.

[theal3]

I don't care what side anyone is on, this is disgusting.

I voted for Obama and I am ashamed I did, but to wish death on him and his family is despicable.

I thought it terrible when fringes did the same to Bush. I respect the office. This seems to be on steroids though, and I wonder where the prominent religious leaders are in this country speaking out to calm their folks. For a so called Christian nation, the folks I see with these protests are very unchristian, and undemocratic. They are behaving like the folks who do stoning. Where is the compassion, concern for the sick and dying. Where are the Dobbs and Warren's of this country?

IMHO

[MiamiNice1]

Relax.

That's why we have a Secret Service.

Hand-Wringing and Political Finger Pointing aren't going to solve anything, IMO.

If Bush survived the Crazy Anarchists and the Leftists, BO and the Libs will survive this.

:laugh:

Great advice! Seems that whenever something bad happens to Obama - it's like it's the FIRST time it ever happened.

Reagan was shot at and I can imagine that every president that ever served received death threats.

No, it's not nice. But it is reality and one Obama was most likely warned about before running.

imo

[MiamiNice1]

That's the truth. As always with them it is situational values and ethics.

The only thing transparent about this group is their hypocrisy.

These are 2 very important observations. Thanks.

imo

[flareon]

I don't care what side anyone is on, this is disgusting.

I voted for Obama and I am ashamed I did, but to wish death on him and his family is despicable.

This is much ado about nothing. Forever in time, people have used signs to display the most attention grabbing pictures and sayings. That is what they are intended to do. As in the past, many of these are in poor taste.

[flareon]

Great advice! Seems that whenever something bad happens to Obama - it's like it's the FIRST time it ever happened.

Reagan was shot at and I can imagine that every president that ever served received death threats.

No, it's not nice. But it is reality and one Obama was most likely warned about before running.

imo

I know. These people act like this has never happened before and then to prove a point, they pull out some left wing source whose very existence and monetary compensation depends on hyped up rhetoric. Hardly something that can be held out to be the beacon of truth.

I think Frankly was right. If Bush was able to survive the bile spewed by the left, I'm sure Obama can.

[incidentally]

This is much ado about nothing. Forever in time, people have used signs to display the most attention grabbing pictures and sayings. That is what they are intended to do. As in the past, many of these are in poor taste.

Hi flareon,

"Forever in time" now or in the past is unacceptable to me. I don't believe this man is a danger, he certainly wouldn't advertise with a sign.

As disappointed as I am with BO and my choice to vote for him, to wish death on him and his family, then advertise it, is disgusting.

This country is ready to come crumbling tumbling down (got that from a song). Whatever BO is about and who he is puppeting for (IMO) doesn't bode well for us but, again, wishing death on him and his family...NO, unacceptable.

regards,

tally

[flareon]

It only works for the Libs if they're doing it themselves, evidently.

Otherwise it's some Vast Right Wing Conspiracy with the sole purpose of derailing the Obama Regime.

:laugh::laugh:

I know. I often think they are joking, but then they just keep going on and on about it.

[flareon]

Hi flareon,

"Forever in time" now or in the past is unacceptable to me. I don't believe this man is a danger, he certainly wouldn't advertise with a sign.

As disappointed as I am with BO and my choice to vote for him, to wish death on him and his family, then advertise it, is disgusting.

This country is ready to come crumbling tumbling down (got that from a song). Whatever BO is about and who he is puppeting for (IMO) doesn't bode well for us but, again, wishing death on him and his family...NO, unacceptable.

regards,

tally

No, but I think the less attention they garner the better it is. Most of the time these signs are just made to inflame the local place/cause they are protesting. The more these news sources give them a stage, the more outlandish the signs will become.

[daniel green]

I don't care what side anyone is on, this is disgusting.

I voted for Obama and I am ashamed I did, but to wish death on him and his family is despicable.

Thank you for speaking up.

It is illegal, too.

The overwhelmingly majority of Americans will agree with you that it is a despicable thing to do.

[ABC]

I don't care what side anyone is on, this is disgusting.

I voted for Obama and I am ashamed I did, but to wish death on him and his family is despicable.
Its too early in the first ten minutes of the first quater to tell where this Administration is going or in my opinion to finalize judgments of the vote six months ago. We got a long way to go. I voted for McCain/Palin and very proud that I voted in the first minute of the first hour of the first day of Early Voting for them yet strongly feel we have a Constitutional duty to support the duly elected President of the United States. I am disappointed that we are still in Iraq and not only still in Afghanastian but have expanded our forces. I did expect us to leave .

[Lady_Jean_La]

That's the truth. As always with them it is situational values and ethics.

The only thing transparent about this group is their hypocrisy.
Great observation!
:lol::thumbsup:

[MiamiNice1]

I feel confident the sign holder was a progressive plant. Probably working for Obama's astroturf org. "Organizing to ruinfor America" It's an old trick of one of Obama's mentors.

http://www.the-two-malcontents.com/2009/08/13/obamas-nazi-straw-man-an-old-alinsky-trick/

"…in the spring of 1972, at Tulane University…students asked Alinsky to help plan a protest of a scheduled speech by George H. W. Bush, then U.S. representative to the United Nations - a speech likely to include a defense of the Nixon administration’s Vietnam War policies. The students told Alinsky they were thinking about picketing or disrupting Bush’s address. That’s the wrong approach, he rejoined, not very creative - and besides causing a disruption might get them thrown out of school. He told them, instead, to go to hear the speech dressed as members of the Ku Klux Klan, and whenever Bush said something in defense of the Vietnam War, they should cheer and wave placards reading, ‘The KKK supports Bush.’ And that is what they did, with very successful, attention-getting results"

:rolleyes: Just progressives trying to foment racial tensions to take the attention off of the disaster of Obama care and his feckless leadership.

IMO

Now this is certainly another way to look at this - a plant! Of course, right out of Alinsky's playbook - I wouldn't put this past them.

The above story is despicable and should make any person disgusted at the tactics some employ. And as we see in the story above, they do employ them. Hmmmm.

imo

[incidentally]

Its too early in the first ten minutes of the first quater to tell where this Administration is going or in my opinion to finalize judgments of the vote six months ago. We got a long way to go. I voted for McCain/Palin and very proud that I voted in the first minute of the first hour of the first day of Early Voting for them yet strongly feel we have a Constitutional duty to support the duly elected President of the United States.

Hi ABC,

I support him but I don't agree with anything he has said since he took office. I believe he has done a 180 and I feel conned. It may be the "first ten minutes of the final quarter" but look at what he campaigned with and what he is doing now.

I could say more, but prefer not to. I respect too many posters on both sides and yet I disagree with much of what they say (here).

tally.

[MiamiNice1]

Plus it doesn't help that the left and its sources are fixated on this and do constant reporting in order to feed the masses. Don't they have anything of value to discuss? I guess we know that answer.
Nothing seems to be too insignificant to inflate, every move watched and reported. Over and over.

imo

[flareon]

Nothing seems to be too insignificant to inflate, every move watched and reported. Over and over.

imo

Well, you have to remember the targeted audience. They have to be thrown red meat and I guess there is only a limited amount of "original and real" red meat.

[Veritas]

I agree with GO_People's assessment of the situation.
JMO


:thumbsup:

[dinojen]

Great advice! Seems that whenever something bad happens to Obama - it's like it's the FIRST time it ever happened.

Reagan was shot at and I can imagine that every president that ever served received death threats.

No, it's not nice. But it is reality and one Obama was most likely warned about before running.

imo


No it wasn't nice.. but hey I look at it this way.. few more days and he and his family will be off to the land of high bucks and dollars.. Martha's Vineyard.. so he should be all safe an cozy..

Bush had so many threats against his life.. amazing there wasn't as much concern then.. and I didn't even vote for the dude...

Every president has his nutcases.. just as Obama will...

He'll be secluded in his multi $$$$$ estate soon and no need to worry...:wink:

[ABC]

My guess is that they were all too gutless in Junior High to throw spitballs and got a vicarious thrill seeing some nut job in a foreign country throwing a shoe.

:laugh:
:biggrin::biggrin:

[flareon]

So what you're suggesting is that the Far Left can safely wipe away their Crocodile Tears and feel safe in the knowledge that Barry will be safely tucked in bed?

:laugh::laugh:

Yea, he can pull up his big boy pants and carry on. :biggrin:

[Barbara2]

This guy is probably a liberal plant who will quietly slither away in a few days.


I saw a video (sorry, I don't have the link) but they said a guy was seen with an anti health care sign with a "Hitler type" mustache. After the town hall he was seen outside handing out pro obama health care leaflets. I'm sure that type of thing happens and the majority of Americans just aren't that stupid to fall for these tactics. IMO

[Hey Paula]

This guy is probably a liberal plant who will quietly slither away in a few days.

That's the first thought that crossed my mind. If it's true, I hope it's exposed.

[Patriot]

Terrible , just terrible! However I wonder if people believe it is allowed since it was IGNORED when Bush was president?

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/08/13/press-largely-ignored-hostile-rhetoric-directed-bush


The hypocrisy is showing.


Isn't it though? More like glaring. Too funny.

[MiamiNice1]

No it wasn't nice.. but hey I look at it this way.. few more days and he and his family will be off to the land of high bucks and dollars.. Martha's Vineyard.. so he should be all safe an cozy..

Bush had so many threats against his life.. amazing there wasn't as much concern then.. and I didn't even vote for the dude...

Every president has his nutcases... just as Obama will...

He'll be secluded in his multi $$$$$ estate soon and no need to worry...:wink:

(bolding mine)

So true about every president having his nutcases. It's one of the dangers of this job - but let's look on the bright side - the multi vacation perks are even better!

I certainly hope the rumors about it being a liberal plant, if true, will finally help put a lid on the DRAMA. :rolleyes:

imo

[flareon]

(bolding mine)

So true about every president having his nutcases. It's one of the dangers of this job - but let's look on the bright side - the multi vacation perks are even better!

I certainly hope the rumors about it being a liberal plant, if true, will finally help put a lid on the DRAMA. :rolleyes:

imo

Don't even think you will ever be able to put a lid on the drama.

They live for the drama. They have been creating this kind of stuff since Obama first started running. It has become a signature.

[daniel green]

This guy is probably a liberal plant who will quietly slither away in a few days.

I doubt that. I hope he goes to jail for a long time.

[MiamiNice1]

Yet a "thumbs up" is posted next to the thread explaining how Howard Dean is threatening and strong arming his fellow Dems with "electoral consequences" if they don't back the Obama plan.

I need some dramamine. :blink: and :confused:

imo

[Lady_Jean_La]

I doubt that. I hope he goes to jail for a long time.

For what crime?

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Yet a "thumbs up" is posted next to the thread explaining how Howard Dean is threatening and strong arming his fellow Dems with "electoral consequences" if they don't back the Obama plan.

I need some dramamine. :blink: and :confused:

imo

Dramamine might make it so you see two thumbs. :laugh:

[February]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/13/death-to-obama-sign-holde_n_258601.html

OMG. The sign also said death to Mrs Obama and their daughters.


I am only going to respond to your initial post, because I dare not scroll down to read what some people might say.
People in this country have a long way to go..A very long way when it comes to President Barack Obama.'
I can honestly say I have never wished ill will towards another president of an opposing party, and I don't think many Democrats or Independents have either. Personally, I wasn't brought up like that. We vote, hope for the best, live our lives and move forward.
These nuts who wish death to a man and his family are a small minority of the population but the bad part is they are a part of ANY population.
May God continue to bless and protect the Obama family.

[daniel green]

Thank you, February, for that thoughtful post. I agree that most Americans will find it horrific, as well.

And, yes, may the President, and his lovely family, be safe from harm.

[daniel green]

They arrested unidentified, 51-year-old man near the entrance to Hagerstown Community College about 1 p.m. Wednesday after getting calls from a number of people attending the meeting held by Sen. Ben Cardin, D-Md.

http://www.examiner.com/x-19673-Michelle-Obama-Examiner~y2009m8d13-Death-to-Michelle-Obama-and-her-two-stupid-kids-sign-holder-detained--by-secret-service

[daniel green]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jCgSUAAjXk2QnMqrDhdc8TFV8F_gD9A24JH80

AP

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Obama, Democrats in a state of political denial

Democratic leaders really want this to be all about hatred and racism because they want to blame others. Admitting that the policies of President Obama and Nancy Pelosi and Barney Frank are too far to the left would be too difficult and too painful. The far easier solution is to brand opponents as hatemongers in an effort to create the illusion that the real threat to our country comes from the president's opponents, not from the ideas which he is trying to sell. Essentially, the Democrat Party and President Obama are in a state of political denial which may potentially undermine their ability to hold onto power.


http://www.examiner.com/x-17827-Anne-Arundel-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m8d13-Obama-Democrats-in-a-state-of-political-denial

[February]

Dems are not the ones rebel-rousing in an attempt to shout down those who are attempting to pass a bill to benefit all of America.

Dems are not parading around with posters wishing death to President Obama, his wife and children.
Can you imagine those 2 beautiful girls going to school and being afraid to study?

People need to apply the brakes towards this President and let him do his job. If you don't like it, vote him out but don't threaten his life.
I would resign from a party that had such radical ideas. Such hostile bitterness I have never seen. Reminds me of the Middle east, but we are Americans, we are supposed to be above such nonsense.
Bush almost destroyed this nation, yet how soon they forget.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Dems are not the ones rebel-rousing in an attempt to shout down those who are attempting to pass a bill to benefit all of America.

Dems are not parading around with posters wishing death to President Obama, his wife and children.
Can you imagine those 2 beautiful girls going to school and being afraid to study?

People need to apply the brakes towards this President and let him do his job. If you don't like it, vote him out but don't threaten his life.
I would resign from a party that had such radical ideas. Such hostile bitterness I have never seen. Reminds me of the Middle east, but we are Americans, we are supposed to be above such nonsense.
Bush almost destroyed this nation, yet how soon they forget.


I agree the death threats are horrible. However as I have said before it seems that since it was ignored when it happened to Bush it may come off as okay. Question,did you resign when Bush's life was threatened? on numerous occasions?

One protester even brandished a sign that seemed to advocate Bush's assassination. The man held a large photo of Bush that had been doctored to show a gun barrel pressed against his temple.

"BUSH: WANTED, DEAD OR ALIVE," read the placard, which had an X over the word "ALIVE."

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/08/13/press-largely-ignored-hostile-rhetoric-directed-bush


As for 'hostile bitterness, it was less than a year ago that protestors were hating Bush, the hostility and demonstrations were violent:


On Thursday, Bush faced a large demonstration that turned violent in downtown Portland, Ore., where a thousand protesters gathered outside the hotel where the president raised almost a million dollars for Sen. Gordon Smith, R-Ore.

http://www.dailynewschicago.com/blog/2009/8/13/a-political-time-out.html

I could link all night.... IMO this is hyprocarcy, to one president and his family it is ignored or forgotten FAST-- to another for whatever reason it is deemed "different". :confused:

[LisaM22]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/13/death-to-obama-sign-holde_n_258601.html

OMG. The sign also said death to Mrs Obama and their daughters.

glad he was arrested, as he should be

[February]

What American threatened bush? I guess my memory escapes me at this moment, please forgive me but for the life of me I can't recall.
Did they also threaten his daughters and wife?

I did not resign from my party because i am proud of it.
Our mantra is Help for those less fortunate, not the big oil companies and their CEO's.

[daniel green]

Violent and racist e-mail jokes alluding to the assassination of President Barack Obama, the killing of Latinos and violence against black people were forwarded by Atwater City Councilman Gary Frago during the last six months, according to more than 200 new e-mails obtained by the Sun-Star from the city of Atwater. The councilman, who forwarded the newly obtained e-mails to city staff and a county supervisor, among others, has been under public pressure to resign since it was learned in July that he had sent other racist e-mails in late 2008 and early 2009. One of the most troubling of the new Frago e-mails, forwarded in January, joked that Nokia had designed a new cell phone for "nervous white people" who want to make calls in a series of cities known for their large black populations, such as Oakland and New Orleans. The phone was a gun.

http://www.mercedsunstar.com/167/story/998044.html

[theal3]

I agree the death threats are horrible. However as I have said before it seems that since it was ignored when it happened to Bush it may come off as okay. Question,did you resign when Bush's life was threatened? on numerous occasions?



http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/08/13/press-largely-ignored-hostile-rhetoric-directed-bush


As for 'hostile bitterness, it was less than a year ago that protestors were hating Bush, the hostility and demonstrations were violent:




http://www.dailynewschicago.com/blog/2009/8/13/a-political-time-out.html

I could link all night.... IMO this is hyprocarcy, to one president and his family it is ignored or forgotten FAST-- to another for whatever reason it is deemed "different". :confused:

How can you say it was "ignored" when you provide links where it was reported? I live in Oregon and it was reported on local Tv: except the protest was held away from Bush: he staged/caged everyone..... out of sight out of mind. Everywhere he went he had: protest areas, assigned block away.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

How can you say it was "ignored" when you provide links where it was reported? I live in Oregon and it was reported on local Tv: except the protest was held away from Bush: he staged/caged everyone..... out of sight out of mind. Everywhere he went he had: protest areas, assigned block away.


Perhaps I should have been more precise, ignored for the most part by MSM. They were also ignored by the public—I did not hear the outrage as we do now—it seemingly was accepted because people hated his policy and decisions….

The first article details a lot of what I was saying. And again people act like these protests and or horrible death threats never happened to Bush or other presidents. But especially Bush and now Obama.

[TBIBeg]

What American threatened bush? I guess my memory escapes me at this moment, please forgive me but for the life of me I can't recall.
Did they also threaten his daughters and wife?

I did not resign from my party because i am proud of it.
Our mantra is Help for those less fortunate, not the big oil companies and their CEO's.
Of course your memory escapes you. And IMO you will find that conservatives give more to charity than libs.

[Freedom1]

Dems are not the ones rebel-rousing in an attempt to shout down those who are attempting to pass a bill to benefit all of America.

Dems are not parading around with posters wishing death to President Obama, his wife and children.
Can you imagine those 2 beautiful girls going to school and being afraid to study?

People need to apply the brakes towards this President and let him do his job. If you don't like it, vote him out but don't threaten his life.
I would resign from a party that had such radical ideas. Such hostile bitterness I have never seen. Reminds me of the Middle east, but we are Americans, we are supposed to be above such nonsense.
Bush almost destroyed this nation, yet how soon they forget.

Please don't apply the insanity of one person to a whole party of people. You know that's not what is happening. Not all republicans or independents or democrats who don't agree with the President wish him ill will or his family. There are many, many instances where a loon threatened President Bush and we would not apply that to all Democrats, now would we?

And, there's nothing wrong with voicing your opinion against policies that you don't agree with. Democrats have always done this and I doubt you had a problem with it.

[Carol25]

Obama, Democrats in a state of political denial




http://www.examiner.com/x-17827-Anne-Arundel-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m8d13-Obama-Democrats-in-a-state-of-political-denial
This is one of the best articles I've read that puts a reality check in place. The Congress and the administration are creating disenchanted voters where there was earlieer few. The name calling and insults to the people who are genuinely concerned for their health coverage and freedoms is a surprising tactice, and not a good one.


Many of the protesters are not interested in politics at all, but merely fear what this president and Congress will do to their finances and their freedom and their health.


I believe the Democrats are creating a problem with "trust" issues while the Republicans are merely sitting back watching them shoot themselves in the foot. The Pelosi and the Democrats have just opened up a can of worms, creating enemies of their party where few were before. We'll see in 2010,
*quote from the op link.

[Lady_Jean_La]

I am only going to respond to your initial post, because I dare not scroll down to read what some people might say.
People in this country have a long way to go..A very long way when it comes to President Barack Obama.'
I can honestly say I have never wished ill will towards another president of an opposing party, and I don't think many Democrats or Independents have either. Personally, I wasn't brought up like that. We vote, hope for the best, live our lives and move forward.
These nuts who wish death to a man and his family are a small minority of the population but the bad part is they are a part of ANY population.
May God continue to bless and protect the Obama family.

Sadly people who tear down barriers often become targets. I remember John F. Kennedy breaking a religious barrier and becoming loved and hated. I guess Franklin Roosevelt went through much the same. imo

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

What American threatened bush? I guess my memory escapes me at this moment, please forgive me but for the life of me I can't recall.
Did they also threaten his daughters and wife?

I did not resign from my party because i am proud of it.
Our mantra is Help for those less fortunate, not the big oil companies and their CEO's.

If you bother to read post number three(3) in this thread ( right above this one of yours-- you would see "What/which American(S) threatened Bush’

Here you were all up in arms screaming about how you would resign your party if it did anything such as threatening the life of a president-- but then you say you are "proud" of your party. It is plain hypocrisy-- nothing more, nothing less.

FYI Conservatives give far more than dems--time and money-- in fact 30 percent more.

Arthur Brooks “Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth about Compassionate Conservatism”

http://richiericher.wordpress.com/2008/02/01/arthur-brooks-who-really-cares-the-surprising-truth-about-compassionate-conservatism/

“Cheap in America” Who Gives and Who Doesn’t” ABC news 20/20 report:

It turns out that this idea that liberals give more…is a myth. Of the top 25 states where people give an above average percent of their income, 24 were red states in the last presidential election.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2682730&page=1

[flareon]

Leave it to the HufPo to write about this idiot. Unfortunately, people like him have been appearing at political rallies forever.

imo

I know. The man is probably enjoying the publicity he is receiving from these crackpots. Other news organizations mentioned it once, while you have these filler groups going on and on about it.

[LisaM22]

I know. The man is probably enjoying the publicity he is receiving from these crackpots. Other news organizations mentioned it once, while you have these filler groups going on and on about it.

and some people on the right trying to make light of it?

[LisaM22]

Make light of it or find it funny because the liberal holding the sign is so transparent that he fools no one?

doesn't mater if it was democrat or republican though we can be sure it was a republican I think in this case

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

I'm sure a death threat is a criminal offense but is the comment "death to",____ fill in the blank, a crime? I'd put money he's is a democrat plant.


I wonder what is worse. A sign such as that or celebrities during public engagements and concerts calling for the mob sexual assault of a repub vice presidential candidate ( Sandra Bernhardt) or another stating she was going to beat her up. ( Madonna)

[Carol25]

These links are so practical, it hard to pass them all. I'd say it is a warning to Congress, both parties...becareful what you say and do. There are microphones and videos everywhere, and when you think of admonishing the people of this country, just think about who you represent.

I believe the more objective liberals are moving center and so is the right. That just may disengage some in Congress. Extremists and those yellow dogs should worry.

[LisaM22]

Hilary tried to get us better health care under Clinton and republicans stopped that, not this time, the people have woken up to their games

[LisaM22]

Another view:

Will Obama's Promises Get Mugged by Reality?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20090813/cm_csm/ykroghdevelyn


"When a president makes a promise to carry out a policy, support or oppose a political position, or take any action, he creates an expectation that he will carry it out. It is therefore crucial for a president and his staff to be prudent about the promises – especially the categorical ones – he makes. If, under the pressure of changed circumstances, he must deviate from his promise (and there are times when deviating is in the best interest of the country), he must offer clear justifications for this departure. Otherwise, his promises will be judged as meaningless."

the people voted for Obama, they want a universal health care plan

I do agree with you though, the last Administration was a good example of when NOT to stay the course

denying a universal health care plan to Americans is not something republicans should do, they need to change their course, work for the people

[LisaM22]

And IMO the reason for this is while the conservatives are out earning money to give the libs are busy trying to figure out how they can get more of the conservatives $$$$s.

so you think only republicans are rich? I think republicans just don't want to see others have a chance, they think health care is a luxury item that only the rich should have

republicans spent trillions and trillion over the last 8 years, what did the people get for that? republicans have no problem spending the people's money, they just don't want to spend it on the people

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Is that just your opinion? Can you provide any kind of proof? That just does not sound right to me.

For the THIRD time on this thread alone, proof that cons give more than dems:



FYI Conservatives give far more than dems--time and money-- in fact 30 percent more.

Arthur Brooks “Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth about Compassionate Conservatism”

http://richiericher.wordpress.com/2008/02/01/arthur-brooks-who-really-cares-the-surprising-truth-about-compassionate-conservatism/

“Cheap in America” Who Gives and Who Doesn’t” ABC news 20/20 report:



It turns out that this idea that liberals give more…is a myth. Of the top 25 states where people give an above average percent of their income, 24 were red states in the last presidential election.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2682730&page=1

[watcher2005]

the people voted for Obama, they want a universal health care plan

I do agree with you though, the last Administration was a good example of when NOT to stay the course

denying a universal health care plan to Americans is not something republicans should do, they need to change their course, work for the people


If supporters had stuck to that message, or something like it, that would have been different than what the leadership did which was play the demonization game.

[LisaM22]

If supporters had stuck to that message, or something like it, that would have been different than what the leadership did which was play the demonization game.

you can blame the town-hall screamers and people like Palin and her death squad idiocy for that, it is what it is, they are responsible for their own actions

[LisaM22]

For the THIRD time on this thread alone, proof that cons give more than dems:



FYI Conservatives give far more than dems--time and money-- in fact 30 percent more.

Arthur Brooks “Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth about Compassionate Conservatism”

http://richiericher.wordpress.com/2008/02/01/arthur-brooks-who-really-cares-the-surprising-truth-about-compassionate-conservatism/

“Cheap in America” Who Gives and Who Doesn’t” ABC news 20/20 report:





http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2682730&page=1

to what charities though, without a breakdown that says NOTHING, fanatical charities, now that I could believe? and dollar wise doesn't count either, most middle class folks are way more generous then most rich folks, even though dollar wise it is not as much

[LisaM22]

those making under 100k a year pay way way more Medicare and social security tax then those over 100k a year, way way more, why do republicans not want to remove the caps?

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

to what charities though, without a breakdown that says NOTHING, fanatical charities, now that I could believe? and dollar wise doesn't count either, most middle class folks are way more generous then most rich folks, even though dollar wise it is not as much

If you had read the links they do say. Cons donate to

Salvation Army, volunteering for BCOA, United Way, conservatives are 18 percent more likely to donate blood volunteering time as well, 25 percent more likely etc, etc, etc.

And from the book and articles:

"Actually, the truth is that they're giving to more than their churches," he says. "The religious Americans are more likely to give to every kind of cause and charity, including explicitly non-religious charities."

Not that hard to see, it was right there in black and white, but was ignored.

Same links I supplied before. :rolleyes:

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

More from the book:

Brooks himself thought there might be an error in the numbers so he rechecked them. There was no denying the facts. Conservative Republicans, (who some argue would fire their grandmother to improve profitability) are statistically more charitable (more than 30% more charitable) compared to their “socially concerned” liberal democratic friends. Don’t shoot the messenger if you don’t like this, read the book and see the statistics for yourself. Just the facts here…

So how could this be you are asking yourself? Well the findings point right to the heart of the perceptions that “secular liberal democrats are more socially concerned than religious conservative republicans”. It turns out that the secular liberals (the Democrats) belive that it’s the job of the government to take care of the poor (no surprise here yet) and are more in favor of “income redistribution”, taxing and redistributing resources from those who have money to those who are poor. Socially leaning political views have actually taken the place of their charitable contributions. Brooks’s research shows that regardless of which political party was actually in office or how effective politicians were in their policies toward the poor, that the religious conservative Republicans consistently gave more than their secular liberal Democrat counterparts.


http://richiericher.wordpress.com/2008/02/01/arthur-brooks-who-really-cares-the-surprising-truth-about-compassionate-conservatism/

[Lady_Jean_La]

I can't find any news on this, is he still being held?

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Goodness, where was the outrage? Or should I say......faux outrage?

There wasn't any-- and there won't be either IMO-- this could be a posters daughter or granddaughter--- and as long as that person is not liked--- it seems that the saying is true-- all's fair in love, war AND politics...

[Veritas]

LINK (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,539445,00.html?test=latestnews)


Hart admitted creating a name and using a white supremacists' photo to pose as a white man who planned to kill blacks because Barack Obama had been elected president.



:thumbdown:

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

LINK (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,539445,00.html?test=latestnews)






:thumbdown:


Wow, amazing and scary. Wonder what will come next-- news people making up stories-- and people being threatened with death because of such, people calling for the arrest and prosecution of ANYONE who may disagree with Obama. As I said I think I may have awoke in another country this AM.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

You mean the "dealth panel" Obama denied that is being removed from the current plan?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090813/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_end_of_life_2

LMAO ....idiocy indeed.



So it was removed as the article says it could be “misinterpreted or implemented incorrectly.”

Sounds exactly what everyone was worried about!!

[LisaM22]

WRONG

Person A makes $65K and pays medicare taxes up to $65K

Person B makes $150K and pays medicare taxes up to $100K

THEREFORE Person B pays taxes on an additional $35K than Person A, yet both Person A and Person B receive the SAME benefits. Person B pays in more, but doesn't get back more.

Conservatives don't want to remove the caps because we beleive people are entitled to keep what they earn.

right person b only pays taxes for each dollar he makes up to $100k, the rest of dollars he earns are medicare and social security tax free, none of person a's dollars are tax free - do you really think you should not have to pay taxes for every dollar you make after you make so make more money then half the people in this country? everyone should pay the same tax for every dollar they earn, and that means ALL income, every dollar

seems to me you only believe the rich should keep what they earn and the poor\middle class should pay for every dollar they earn - that sounds like the republican take on things to me

[LisaM22]

You mean the "dealth panel" Obama denied that is being removed from the current plan?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090813/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_end_of_life_2

LMAO ....idiocy indeed.

there is no death panel, that is a republican fiction....

[ABC]

You are proving the title of this thread to be accurate. It's not "republicans" who are fighting this battle. It's republicans, libertarians, independents and disenchanted democrats working together for the interests of the republic. :thumbup:
Shoulder to shoulder at the barricades. :ohmy::ohmy:

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

right person b only pays taxes for each dollar he makes up to $100k, the rest of dollars he earns are medicare and social security tax free, none of person a's dollars are tax free - do you really think you should not have to pay taxes for every dollar you make after you make so make more money then half the people in this country? everyone should pay the same tax for every dollar they earn, and that means ALL income, every dollar

seems to me you only believe the rich should keep what they earn and the poor\middle class should pay for every dollar they earn - that sounds like the republican take on things to me


So when those who get thousands in EIC and in taxes back that is fine too? Because this means they essentially did NOT pay taxes and get any money paid into Federal taxes back each year plus thousands from EIC.

Tell me why person B should pay thousands more in federal withholding and in Medicaid when he will not benefit from it. Person B is already paying a higher income tax rate and federal rate because of the money he makes-- why even more?

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

there is no death panel, that is a republican fiction....

Then tell me why was the "end-of-life provision" removed from the bill because it could be "misinterpreted or implemented incorrectly"?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090813/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_end_of_life_2

[LisaM22]

Then tell me why was the "end-of-life provision" removed from the bill because it could be "misinterpreted or implemented incorrectly"?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090813/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_end_of_life_2

cause Democrats are working in a bipartisan manner, if republicans thought doctors educating their patients on their rights was a bad thing and might prevent some on the right from voting for it, he would remove it, kinda silly, but is removed just the same, republicans should be happy now, just shows they knew it was not a big deal all along

[LisaM22]

So what, Person B is STILL PAYING IN MORE than person A and they are getting the same benefits. The one paying in more is not getting more back. No I do not think people who make more money should be taxed unfairly because those who don't earn as much are envious and want to punish others' success.

Seems to me you think ONLY the rich should pay their fair share. If you want true fairness then everyone should be taxed a flat 15% whether they make $10K or $10M....but of course this has nothing to do with fairness does it? It's about punishing those who are more successful. At least that is what Obama has admitted.

IMO

not from caps, I think everyone should get a earned income credit, rich or poor, I think everyone should be taxed a flat tax on every dollar they earn and everyone should be given a 25k tax credit rich or poor and taxed on ALL income, I have been a big supporter of a flat tax around 25%, everyone should be treated equal - the caps need to go

[LisaM22]

Sorry if you want a flat tax then make it a flat tax, no EIC, no caps, nothing. Equality and fairness are fine, but that means EVERYONE pays. Nothing is paid for one the back of anyone else. You make $10K you pay the same flat rate on that $10K that Warren Buffet pays on his $10B.

I would be thrilled with that...but the progressives will never go for anything that treats all people equally. It's not fair "enough" for them.

IMO

nope, as long as everyone gets the earned income credit it is fair, because the rich get that credit too, all income counts, all credits count across the board, everyone gets them equally, those with the most do not need the most, they will get the same tax credit too, fair is fair, try living off 10k, can't believe your complaining about everyone across the board getting a tax credit, the SAME tax credit you would get

[LisaM22]

Wrong, because EIC is just a device to redistribute wealth. But you knew that.

if every American gets the EIC rich or poor then it is evenly distributed, but you knew that

[AlohaRainbow]

If I may reiterate - many people in this country is not intellectually ready for this president. He is not cut from the same old cloth that many are used to.
People do not like change, especially when they cannot grasp what it is about.
President Obama is a man of the future, most people want to live in the past because that is where they are comfortable.
He is a man ahead of his time.

what is your assessment of whether Dyron L. Hart is intellectually ready for this president [obama]?
Black Man Pleads Guilty to Posing as Obama-Hating White Supremacist on Facebook
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,539445,00.html?test=latestnews

[Lady_Jean_La]

Any news on the sign holder yet?

[Lady_Jean_La]

It seems odd that no information is being released in the case.

http://www.wboc.com/Global/story.asp?S=10924824

AP

[MiamiNice1]

It seems odd that no information is being released in the case.

http://www.wboc.com/Global/story.asp?S=10924824

AP
Yeah........."odd".........:sneaky:

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

nope, as long as everyone gets the earned income credit it is fair, because the rich get that credit too, all income counts, all credits count across the board, everyone gets them equally, those with the most do not need the most, they will get the same tax credit too, fair is fair, try living off 10k, can't believe your complaining about everyone across the board getting a tax credit, the SAME tax credit you would get

The rich do not EIC the EIC and child tax credit only go to 38,000. Where are you getting this information that the rich get EIC and CTC?

[Brentwood]

so you think only republicans are rich? I think republicans just don't want to see others have a chance, they think health care is a luxury item that only the rich should have

republicans spent trillions and trillion over the last 8 years, what did the people get for that? republicans have no problem spending the people's money, they just don't want to spend it on the people

What you said is exactly right and I think many are waking up and are now seeing the truth about what they have done.

[RedSocksFan]

That's the truth. As always with them it is situational values and ethics.

The only thing transparent about this group is their hypocrisy.

ITA, you have a way with words! When this was done to Bush, it was largely dismissed as freedom of speech, though tasteless. Now they view this one sick person as the epitome of all who oppose the current agenda.

[Brentwood]

What worries me is that the guy with that unbelievable hate-evil sign is just one of many with such evil views.

It really bothers me that there are those like Limbaugh, Hannity, Buchanan & the like who give the right wing fringe justification for their views and fan their hate. I believe these major figures were almost calling for Tiller to be murdered.

There are those who listen to them and see it as confirmation of their beliefs. It gives them a sense of rational justification of those kinds of ideas.

[daniel green]

Experts say a sharp growth in so-called militia groups that helped spawn a wave of domestic terrorism in the 1990s – and are now using YouTube, rock music and the Internet to recruit members and spread hate and fear - shouldn't be ignored. "It's certainly a scary time," said former FBI agent Brad Garrett, now an ABC News consultant. Garrett said the Secret Service "cannot afford to pass on anyone," and he believes "they really do fear that something could happen to [Obama]." Garrett said statements like one recently made by controversial radio host Rush Limbaugh comparing a logo for the White House plan to a Nazi symbol "legitimizes people who are on the edge to go do something or say something."

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=8324481

[daniel green]

Oh, to be back in the idyllic summer of 1969, when the biggest sin committed by the rebellious mobs at Woodstock was getting stoned. Something else is happening here in our anxious summer of 2009, when instead of flower-power and free love there are reports of death threats and fanatics packing guns.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/16/opinion/16rich.html?pagewanted=2&ref=opinion

[forensicpsy~]

There have always been psychos out there threatening to harm the President. Always!

Lincoln and Garfield come to mind.

This is nothing new. That's why we have the Secret Service.

And like I've said before - the President should not be speaking in public where there is no screening for weapons. That's just not smart.

imo

[Lady_Jean_La]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/16/opinion/16rich.html?pagewanted=2&ref=opinion

I remember Kent State, May 4 massacre. It wasn't all love and flowers in your hair. imo

[Truberry]

Terrible , just terrible! However I wonder if people believe it is allowed since it was IGNORED when Bush was president?








http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/08/13/press-largely-ignored-hostile-rhetoric-directed-bush


The hypocrisy is showing.
My thoughts exactly when I saw this thread... there was no problem when it was death to Bush..so what's the big deal.. another president, same chant.. no biggie..life goes on.

[Lady_Jean_La]

Any news on the sign holder? Is he still in jail?:confused:

[momof6]

I agree GO People.

[flareon]

And a man who lives in an "open carry" state who is engaging in his Constitutional right by carrying a side arm is now a "gun toting fanatic" :rolleyes: Progressives are such fear mongers.

IMO

Well, it doesn't take much to get them all fired up about inconsequential items. You don't know whether it is to take their eyes off of the train wreck in the WH or whether they just aren't too discerning about what is important.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/16/opinion/16rich.html?pagewanted=2&ref=opinion

Flower power, free love, drugs and


Days of Rage

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Days_of_Rage

"Bring the War Home"....

And


Nation: Bombing: A Way of Protest and Death

In New York, there were 93 bomb explosions in 1969, police say, and another 19 bombs did not explode. Half the 93 are classed as political, a category that was virtually nonexistent ten years ago, when there were no more than 20 bombings a year. New York authorities have accused 21 Black Panthers of a conspiracy to blow up stores and railroad tracks and, during a hearing on those charges, five bombs were set off around the city in one night, three at the home of the judge. Last July through November, a series of bombs exploded in government and corporate offices in the city; three left-wing white radicals were arrested and one is still sought. The San Francisco Bay Area had an estimated 62 bombings in the past year, Seattle 33. The FBI says that there were 61 bombing and arson cases on U.S. college campuses in 1969.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,943178-2,00.html

Funny how all the riots were forgotten about by the hippie loving aticle...

[Lady_Jean_La]

Is this guy still being detained incognito?

[flareon]

Is this guy still being detained incognito?

I doubt it. This man was probably home within a couple of hours.

[Lady_Jean_La]

It seems very strange that no one got a photo and put it on the Internet. :confused:

[Veritas]

Interesting. Yet another fine example of the hypocrisy of liberals and the liberal media. JMHO

LINK (http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621)

[flareon]

Interesting. Yet another fine example of the hypocrisy of liberals and the liberal media. JMHO

LINK (http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621)

The complete lack of situational morals and values of the left and the media is becoming so common I think the shock value has worn off.

Anyone who was here during those eight years remembers well the threats and behavior of those who protested Bush. It is strange how now it is a problem.

[flareon]

It seems very strange that no one got a photo and put it on the Internet. :confused:

If you're talking about a picture of the man holding the sign, I saw one. It was a hand lettered piece of cardboard. It was actually kind of pathetic.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

If you're talking about a picture of the man holding the sign, I saw one. It was a hand lettered piece of cardboard. It was actually kind of pathetic.



http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/politics/Death-to-Obama-Sign-Holder-Detained-53134147.html

[Lady_Jean_La]

If you're talking about a picture of the man holding the sign, I saw one. It was a hand lettered piece of cardboard. It was actually kind of pathetic.
Thanks, I may have seen it and couldn't read it. The reason I was wondering, I have seen several signs that were close but actually different and could have been mistaken from a distance.

Sometimes the news media don't like a story and they just drop it and the public never finds out what happened. In some ways that is good.


imo

[flareon]

Thanks, I may have seen it and couldn't read it. The reason I was wondering, I have seen several signs that were close but actually different and could have been mistaken from a distance.

Sometimes the news media don't like a story and they just drop it and the public never finds out what happened. In some ways that is good.


imo

I think this story wasn't a big deal. It is just that some of the left wing bloggers and talking heads tried to make it a big deal. They are the only ones who ran the story into the ground.

[flareon]

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/politics/Death-to-Obama-Sign-Holder-Detained-53134147.html

Yea, that's the one. You can tell he put a lot of thought into it. :biggrin:

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Yea, that's the one. You can tell he put a lot of thought into it. :biggrin:

I know, it looks as if it were penned for the sake of the picture...

[Brentwood]

'Experts who track hate groups across the U.S. are growing increasingly concerned over violent rhetoric targeted at President Obama, especially as the debate over health care intensifies and a pattern of threats emerges.'

"It's certainly a scary time," said former FBI agent Brad Garrett, now an ABC News consultant. Garrett said the Secret Service "cannot afford to pass on anyone," and he believes "they really do fear that something could happen to [Obama]."

Link:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=8324481&page=1

All these disturbing incidents of hate and threats toward Obama and his family are very scary. I hope others join me in praying for Obama and his family. All the hate mongering by the RW is working with a certain group and it appears they truly believe the nazi carp, etc. I work with someone who was telling me today how outraged he was....spewing this type of carp (I don't even have to guess what channel he gets his non-news from). Since there is nothing you can say to someone like that (believes it...set in cement)....I just told him, I have a personal policy not to discuss religion or politics and I hope you understand...thank you buh bye! If it wasn't someone I work with, I may have reacted differently. I should mention my boss & my boss's boss are staunch repubs so I withhold my views from them also.