Bill O'Reilly says............... (m)

[barskin&co.]

Wow, Bill. Right on! :laugh:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-10-2009/healther-skelter

[Lady_Jean_La]

Someone paid attention to history, it is valuable the lessons learned. imo

[theal3]

Over my lifetime I've been to many public meetings and large organization with many members and meetings are always conducted in a civil, respectful way; most heated were school board meetings when cuts were being made, but then, people were orderly but passionate in making their views known.

Shouting, ranting, carrying offensive signs and talk of maxism and nazisim accomplishes nothing except to disrespect our system and disrupted useful discussion and feedback. The vocals we see on TV appear uninformed, misinformed, or on purpose trying to disrupted and are doing what they espouse to not like, limit free speech and free exchange of ideas and information. Bill is right, that IS how the Natzi operated: fear, intimidation, terror tactics, hate speech. I guess those are the only skills they have and it either shows their ignorance or their complete belief in anti democracy methods. Yet they seem to think they are being patriotic. It makes no sense. Maybe it's the first time they've participated and don't know what debate and civil discourse is all about.

IMHO

[Lady_Jean_La]

Maybe if people had shouted, carried on, carried signs and talked about marxism the Nazis in Germany would never have come into power.

imoVery true and I don't think Nazis were the first or the last. imo

I can think of few meetings I have gone to where there was passion and I wasn't offended by someone's sign. imo

[flareon]

You don't know what the Nazis did?

Seriously?

Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "Is not our children learning?" :biggrin:

[ExArkie]

This clip from a very famous movie and stage play says it all - seduction - both on a personal and a national level is not too difficult to understand.

For many years, this clip was cut out of the version shown in Germany

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMVql9RLP34&feature=related

[ExArkie]

Thanks for the link.

Was that from "Cabaret?"

Yes.......frightening, isn't it?

[flareon]

Yes.......frightening, isn't it?

It is frightening. I have seen this same "evil wrapped in innocence" played out in almost every film or book about this period of time. I don't think we will truly ever understand how it was able to go on for so long.

Thanks for the link.

[MiamiNice1]

Yes.......frightening, isn't it?
Yes, it is. It's very "seductive."

But I did get a cool new siggy from one of the posters who commented under that video! :)

[flareon]

Yes, it is. It's very "seductive."

But I did get a cool new siggy from one of the posters who commented under that video! :)

Some of the comments were really enlightening.

[flareon]

Yes, and interesting observation about that theme/period of time.

Note that the comments under the video were made in 2007. Scary how they seem to apply now.

imo

I know. As Watcher would say, the more things change - the more they stay the same.

[MiamiNice1]

It is frightening. I have seen this same "evil wrapped in innocence" played out in almost every film or book about this period of time. I don't think we will truly ever understand how it was able to go on for so long.

Thanks for the link.
What a good observation about the themes from that time period. Yes, it went on for so long, yet here we are, still trying to fight off the modern versions that keep rearing their ugly heads.

imo

[ExArkie]

It is frightening. I have seen this same "evil wrapped in innocence" played out in almost every film or book about this period of time. I don't think we will truly ever understand how it was able to go on for so long.

Thanks for the link.

"evil wrapped in innocence," excellent observation! That is JUST what it is, IMHO!

[lunchlady]

I find yelling undesirable in almost any situation. I don't see why anyone would defend obnoxiousness as Free Speech. You can say whatever you like, but being civil will get you more points than otherwise. From the videos I've seen I don't see any reason for the level of hysteria and ugliness.
Except for fearmongering and resentment of the GOP not being on top at the moment. The quantity and variety of negative talk with violent imagery lately frightens me.

My reading of this item is that Bill is criticizing the protesters, or am I giving Bill way too much credit? Is he feeling a bit of guilt for Tiller's murder?

[theal3]

I find yelling undesirable in almost any situation. I don't see why anyone would defend obnoxiousness as Free Speech. You can say whatever you like, but being civil will get you more points than otherwise. From the videos I've seen I don't see any reason for the level of hysteria and ugliness.
Except for fearmongering and resentment of the GOP not being on top at the moment. The quantity and variety of negative talk with violent imagery lately frightens me.

My reading of this item is that Bill is criticizing the protesters, or am I giving Bill way too much credit? Is he feeling a bit of guilt for Tiller's murder?

Well said, and that is my take on Bill. Guilt. He's aging now, and realizing he did contribute to the violence, and wants to now sleep with a clear conscience. Like he got his hand caught in the cookie jar. IMHO. Cause he's lumped in with Hannity, Rush, Beck, and he wants to distance himself. iMHO

[LisaM22]

Wow, Bill. Right on! :laugh:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-10-2009/healther-skelter

:patriot::thumbsup: great video and right on

[Amused]

Seriously, did the Nazis have a democracy to shout down.


Yeah, they did.

But, Germany was a mess at the time.
The economy was in a depression. Unemployment was sky-high
and people were desperate. Hitler was, in fact, a great speaker and promised the Germans a way out.

[History Buff]

It's good to finally know which side of the fence is on.

[LisaM22]

Yeah, they did.

But, Germany was a mess at the time.
The economy was in a depression. Unemployment was sky-high
and people were desperate. Hitler was, in fact, a great speaker and promised the Germans a way out.

and like Germany, we are in the same boat, we need to be careful of the fanatics that could try and do the same here, normal people think they could never take over, but it happened in germany for a time, we already see them trying to scare people into their way of thinking, wearing guns in public, shouting and causing commotions in town-halls to make sure the people do not know what is going on, last depression republicans even tried to create a army to take over the country too, but they failed, the religious right has spent years infiltrating our government with their god warriors, they are very upset that their plans have failed yet again to make this country a theocracy and in their eyes destroy the infidels (non-believers)

[ExArkie]

Yeah, they did.

But, Germany was a mess at the time.
The economy was in a depression. Unemployment was sky-high
and people were desperate. Hitler was, in fact, a great speaker and promised the Germans a way out.

Utoh, that sounds familiar!:w00t:

[ExArkie]

:patriot: Thank you again, ExArkie.

"Seduction - evil wrapped in innocence." I love this quote!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMVql9RLP34&feature=related

[ABC]

Yeah, they did.

But, Germany was a mess at the time.
The economy was in a depression. Unemployment was sky-high
and people were desperate. Hitler was, in fact, a great speaker and promised the Germans a way out.
Real Nazi Rally from the 40's can be googled on Youtube.

[ABC]

Seriously, did the Nazis have a democracy to shout down.
Like us, Germany was a Republic at the time with free elections, etc.

[LisaM22]

Like us, Germany was a Republic at the time with free elections, etc.

until the nazies did not get their way, kinda like the fanatics on the right today, scary huh, we need to be careful, germany thought this group was just a bunch of fanatical idiots, and look at the damage they did when they became armed and united

[ABC]

until the nazies did not get their way, kinda like the fanatics on the right today, scary huh, we need to be careful, germany thought this group was just a bunch of fanatical idiots, and look at the damage they did when they became armed and united
Recommend reading "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich."

[LisaM22]

Recommend reading "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich."

yep, a group much like the fanatical religious right fanatics that wanted to take over the government and in the end they did and the people had all the warnings, they just ignored them until it was too late

[ExArkie]

Recommend reading "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich."

"Rise and Fall" is a great read; but, a bit much for today's readers. I suggest "Armageddon: A Novel of Berlin" by Leon Uris. Hint: this is not a pleasant book - but, since I've remembered it for over 30-40 years, it must have something!!!:sad:

[Brentwood]

Yeah, they did.

But, Germany was a mess at the time.
The economy was in a depression. Unemployment was sky-high
and people were desperate. Hitler was, in fact, a great speaker and promised the Germans a way out.

The way you can tell those who are harming from those who are doing right for the people is to remember....you know them by their works!

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Over my lifetime I've been to many public meetings and large organization with many members and meetings are always conducted in a civil, respectful way; most heated were school board meetings when cuts were being made, but then, people were orderly but passionate in making their views known.

Shouting, ranting, carrying offensive signs and talk of maxism and nazisim accomplishes nothing except to disrespect our system and disrupted useful discussion and feedback. The vocals we see on TV appear uninformed, misinformed, or on purpose trying to disrupted and are doing what they espouse to not like, limit free speech and free exchange of ideas and information. Bill is right, that IS how the Natzi operated: fear, intimidation, terror tactics, hate speech. I guess those are the only skills they have and it either shows their ignorance or their complete belief in anti democracy methods. Yet they seem to think they are being patriotic. It makes no sense. Maybe it's the first time they've participated and don't know what debate and civil discourse is all about.

IMHO

Right on theal3..I know US is a free society..but how can Bill O get away with such rhetoric??.. If Fox News ( choking on that one)..is backing what Bill O says..then what does that tell you?...No one should even be suggesting such a thing..and we all know that there are pockets of Nazi..White Supremicists operating down there ( previously known as KKK)..who will jump on Billy's Band Wagon?..How does such a high profile Person get away with such "Anti-American" rhetoric??

I would love to see Bill O visit such places as Iran or North Korea to appreciate his "American Roots"..He seems to have forgotten that!!

I'm sorry, but Bill O..is one persona I just cant watch without feeling sic!!

LMS

[MsBondJamesBond]

Wow, Bill. Right on! :laugh:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-10-2009/healther-skelter

Oh, hahahahaaa, thanks for that. :laugh:

[ABC]

"Rise and Fall" is a great read; but, a bit much for today's readers. I suggest "Armageddon: A Novel of Berlin" by Leon Uris. Hint: this is not a pleasant book - but, since I've remembered it for over 30-40 years, it must have something!!!:sad:
I disagree. It is not written in code and most folks really do have an education and on the whole, I don't think American's are dumb. I like Uris a lot and Mila 18 is my favorite. The story of the uprising in the Warsaw Ghetto is inspirational or at least, I think so.
How can Bill get away with it? The same way that those lib commentators do. Congress shall make no laws infringing on the right of the people to ........... . First Amendment quarantees freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of the right to assemble, association and the freedom to practice the religion of their choice and to change Goverment policies.

[ExArkie]

I disagree. It is not written in code and most folks really do have an education and on the whole, I don't think American's are dumb. ...........snip............

I surely do hope you're right about that; but, I sincerely doubt it - especially, with what we've seen in the last few weeks!!:rolleyes:

[ABC]

I surely do hope you're right about that; but, I sincerely doubt it - especially, with what we've seen in the last few weeks!!:rolleyes:
It's interesting. I always thought the Genie would be let out of the Bottle with Schools and never quessed it would be a Health Plan. I think it wonderful that folks are coming out and expressing their opinions. I am basically for expansion of the State Plans and more money from the Federal Goverment to lower the Medicaid cap to include more citizens and cover RXs.
BTW, I don't remember reading Armageddon and will get it at the book store. I did read Rise and Fall, which is incredible. Thats why the right to Assemble and Free Speech is so important to us. Ever read the Seventh Cross or see the movie? Stunning. I have a copy of the Seventh Cross for forty years, yellowed with age and brittle but still read it occassionaly. And the Nazi's are proof positive what happens when Free Speech or the Right to Assemble is denied to the People, in my opinion anyway.

[ExArkie]

It's interesting. I always thought the Genie would be let out of the Bottle with Schools and never quessed it would be a Health Plan. I think it wonderful that folks are coming out and expressing their opinions. I am basically for expansion of the State Plans and more money from the Federal Goverment to lower the Medicaid cap to include more citizens and cover RXs.
BTW, I don't remember reading Armageddon and will get it at the book store. I did read Rise and Fall, which is incredible. Thats why the right to Assemble and Free Speech is so important to us. Ever read the Seventh Cross or see the movie? Stunning. I have a copy of the Seventh Cross for forty years, yellowed with age and brittle but still read it occassionaly. And the Nazi's are proof positive what happens when Free Speech or the Right to Assemble is denied to the People, in my opinion anyway.

Your opinion is correct, IMHO! Did you see the film of the free clinics they held in (I think) Los Angeles this past week? Looks like a 3rd World Country - it was on the ABC Nightly News.:sad:

[justaguy]

i was amazed. last night he had a whole segment defending fox news against various quips jon stewart had made.

is EVERYONE a threat to him ..even a comedy show?

[Veritas]

LINK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raz2KMSbQUE&feature=player_embedded)


Link with story:

LINK
(http://www.freedomslighthouse.com/2009/08/bill-oreilly-says-nbc-is-near-collapse.html)

He also took an unnamed shot at MSNBC's Keith Olbermann at the end by pointing out that a person at that network said everyone who watches Fox News is "paranoid" and a "racist." Below is video of Olbermann in his pathetic, convoluted way claiming to be the number one news show on cable, and making the attack on Fox News viewers as being "racists."




Psst, someone needs to tell Keith Olbermann that he is in denial.

JMO

[ABC]

Really? I thought you said Olberman was "UN-NAMED". :LOL:

Frankly, nothing would please me more than to see FOX crash and .............!! Any network who goes to court for the permission to LIE, and calls themselves a News Network needs to be shut down. I compare FOX and their so-called "shows" to the Natl. Inquirer, and that's almost an insult to the Inquirer. This country doesn't need another source of "trash" and lies.

moo

Fox crash?? Not in this lifetime. I could be wrong but I doubt it.:biggrin::biggrin:
Personally, I love the National Inquirer. Where else can anyone get so many laughs for $3.00?

[orangetaffy]

Im not for censorship, no matter how much I disagree with the one offering the opinions. Many men and women have shed their blood for people like Beck and Olberman to have the RIGHT to speak their mind. God help us all if the govt should ever be allowed to dictate the only opinion allowed to be made public.

[crocdog1]

Fox crash?? Not in this lifetime. I could be wrong but I doubt it.:biggrin::biggrin:
Personally, I love the National Inquirer. Where else can anyone get so many laughs for $3.00?

I get my laughs for free by watching the "fair and balanced" network that went to court to get legal permission to tell falsehoods through their teeth.

What I find amazing is that there are actuallly folks who believe their "fair and balanced" falsehoods.

JMHO

[vonna]

Really? I thought you said Olberman was "UN-NAMED". :LOL:

Frankly, nothing would please me more than to see FOX crash and .............!! Any network who goes to court for the permission to LIE, and calls themselves a News Network needs to be shut down. I compare FOX and their so-called "shows" to the Natl. Inquirer, and that's almost an insult to the Inquirer. This country doesn't need another source of "trash" and lies.

moo

Know how to tell when O'Reilly is lying? When you see his lips move.

[R~O~S]

Know how to tell when O'Reilly is lying? When you see his lips move.

I just can't wait for his "take" on Jaycee Dugard. I'm sure he'll explain to us how she "got something out of" her 18 years in captivity & how at 11 years old she was living large knowing she didn't have to live by household rules and do homework.

http://mediamatters.org/research/200701170009

O'REILLY: I'm not buying this. If you're 11 years old or 12 years old, 13, and you have a strong bond with your family, OK, even if the guy threatens you, this and that, you're riding your bike around, you got friends. The kid didn't go to school. There's all kinds of stuff. If you can get away, you get away. All right? If you're 11.



O'REILLY: This is what I believe happened in the Hearst case and in this case. The situation that Hearst found herself in was exciting. She had a boring life. She was a child of privilege. All of a sudden, she's in with a bunch of charismatic thugs, and she enjoyed it. The situation here for this kid looks to me to be a lot more fun than what he had under his old parents. He didn't have to go to school. He could run around and do whatever he wanted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii-c1TeWW-s

[Deannalynn]

Link please to even one of your statement's of fact. Nowhere can I find facts to back up your statements and accusations. What lies? Links please!

Perhaps you forgot to add "in my opinion"?? It seems all the GOP/right wing have now is fear and untruths. :shrug:

moo

That's been going on forever.
JMO

[Explorer]

Keith and Rachel have the BEST shows on TV and if anyone thinks differently THEY are in denial.

[orangetaffy]

Like taking over the Internet? It's coming.

Yes, I think it is. In fact, I see many changes heading this way.

As an aside, Im waiting for Glenn Beck to come on. Ive never watched his show, but am anxious to see what all the fuss is about.

[orangetaffy]

OK, I watched Glenn Beck for the first time. I dont see him as Republican or Democrat, really. I see him more as an independant. I also dont see what all the outrage and hype is about. Just another person giving his opinions. He's no different than any other American, IMO.

[justaguy]

what DOES crack me up is Oreilly's refusal to even SAY K.O.'s name or refer to the show. and from what i have heard same with his radio show...its just so silly.

[justaguy]

I just can't wait for his "take" on Jaycee Dugard. I'm sure he'll explain to us how she "got something out of" her 18 years in captivity & how at 11 years old she was living large knowing she didn't have to live by household rules and do homework.

http://mediamatters.org/research/200701170009



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii-c1TeWW-s

wasn't that awful? and he considers himself an expert on and writes to and about kids. my take on him is his views were established about 1965 or so...and nothing gets in mentally that might challenge those opinions.

[theal3]

Yeah right, that is why few watch either one of them.

Cable is about demographics and MSNBC's line up of Ed, Rachael and Keith etc get the coveted group 20-45-50, while Fox gets the older group.

It's not just about numbers, but age groups, too. There's room for everyone.

[MaybytheBay]

Yes, I think it is. In fact, I see many changes heading this way.

As an aside, Im waiting for Glenn Beck to come on. Ive never watched his show, but am anxious to see what all the fuss is about.


He puts himself out there and does some real investigating. He gets the facts and reports them. Sometimes exceptionally dramatically....I think people appreciate real reporting/journalism....poll numbers show....
He's certainly engaging to watch......

[Kylee'sGamma]

Know how to tell when O'Reilly is lying? When you see his lips move.

LOL...you are so right. I still get a good laugh when I see the video with O"Reilly flipping out when he worked for that tabloid show....you can actually see and hear his nose snorting...