Man Chg, w/Trying To Enter School b/4 Obama Event,another w/having gun/ Portsmouth,NH

[snookums1]

A Hampton, N.H., man was charged with trespassing after attempting to get into Portsmouth High School before President Barack Obama spoke at a health care town hall Tuesday, police said.

http://www.wmur.com/news/20356764/detail.html

Bomb sniffing dogs hit on his truck also.

Officials said a Secret Service bomb dog had a hit on the truck, but they did not say whether there was a specific threat detected. Secret Service members entered the unlocked vehicle after the dog circled it several times.

[Streetdreamer]

I'm sure their is quite a distinction in the amount of legitimate death threats Obama is getting. I suspect the hate will get out of hand soon.

[Streetdreamer]

Have you seen anything to indicate as much or is this just something you think?

:confused:

Yes, actually I have. Approximately 30 death threats a day. Definately not covered by mainstream media. Dont panic, links are coming...

[Streetdreamer]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/5967942/Barack-Obama-faces-30-death-threats-a-day-stretching-US-Secret-Service.html

There have been complaints about the U.S.S.S. being overstretched and working overtime.

[Streetdreamer]

I'm very concerned about that also - Palin, Beck and others are really trying to make something happen to the President - IMO using words like Evil in relation to the President gives the nuts a sort of permission. Some nut will try to kill him and they will blame that on him too. I don't know why the many, many death threats he gets every day seem to be reported in Canadian and UK papers more than here.

A good way to lose readers is to accuse people of racism and racial violence or remind them of the racist past. That means anybody, whether its Mark Furman or even Officer Crowley who I don't think is racist but can't explain to people that he abused his authority without saying he was racist.

[logbump]

Have you seen anything to indicate as much or is this just something you think?

:confused:
Hmmm... Links are coming??? Don't see any yet.

[snookums1]

Death Threats Against Obama Up 400%

http://www.alan.com/2009/08/05/death-threats-against-obama-up-400/

Health care debate degenerates into brawls, death threats - Politics AP - MiamiHerald.com

http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/08/09/health-care-debate-degenerates-into-brawls-death-threats-politics-ap-miamiheraldcom/

AP: Obama Gets Most Death Threats Ever

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/ap-more-obama-threats-than-anyone-before

Fears grow for Barack Obama's security

The secret service is reported to have already investigated more than 500 death threats.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/3387103/Fears-grow-for-Barack-Obamas-security.html


The above is for all those who apparently don't know how to do research or can't be bothered to look up links.

[snookums1]

The article didn't indicate that the man entered the building early as a death threat. Perhaps he just wanted to get a good seat???
A small pocket knife was found? I carry one too - they are very useful tools when you need one around. And if a bomb squad dog sniffed at your vehicle would it register a postive hit?

[Hey Paula]

I'm sure their is quite a distinction in the amount of legitimate death threats Obama is getting. I suspect the hate will get out of hand soon.

Hate is a strong word.

BO has brought scorn upon himself due to his "arrogant, dismissive, derisive" and divisive behavior and comments directed at Americans who disagree with his policies. If public opinion continues to mount against him and his policies, he has no one but himself to blame.

IMO

[dinojen]

I'm forever forgetting to take it out of my pocket. Ends up in the wash sometimes. Lost one when I forgot and took it to the airport.

LOL.. hubby bought me a very small pocket knife.. said FBI or something on it.. was kind of a joke.. got confiscated at the airport when I forgot to take it out of my purse...he always has one on him as he is a industrial hygienist and uses it for his work in scrapings of areas in bldgs... many people have them..

This is such a non issue IMO.. just as his town hall IMO was a farce.. hand selected people although "his people" call it a lottery via computer.. and certain political people..and contributors.. so basically you have a auditorium full of Obama faithful or people that aren't going to dare cause a commotion with his secret service in the area...

Can't believe anyone would think it would be anything else but a lovefest... Wonder if they sang kumbaya at the end:rolleyes:

[daniel green]

A man carried a handgun strapped to his leg to a town hall meeting being held by President Obama in Portsmouth, New Hampshire on Tuesday. It's legal for him to have the gun as long as it is unconcealed, the police told MSNBC. The man was on private property -- church ground on the roadway leading to the high school where Obama would speak. The church gave the man permission to be there. However, according to police officers, he is under constant surveillance and is not anywhere near where the president will speak. Talking Points Memo points out that the man was carrying a sign referencing this Jefferson quote: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Hours before Obama was to arrive at Portsmouth High School, the road leading to the event site was lined with people - about 100 supporters of Obama's health care overhaul on one side and about half as many opponents on the other. White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said that the president was prepared for possible disruptions.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/11/protester-with-gun-found_n_256614.html

Video at the link

Oh, and just as an FYI, that is the same shirt that Tim McVeigh was wearing when he bombed the federal building.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/11/protester-with-gun-found_n_256614.html

Video at the link

Oh, and just as an FYI, that is the same shirt that Tim McVeigh was wearing when he bombed the federal building.

This is the part that struck me:

It's legal for him to have the gun as long as it is unconcealed, the police told MSNBC. The man was on private property -- church ground on the roadway leading to the high school where Obama would speak. The church gave the man permission to be there.

[snookums1]

Police said Young is being investigated by the Secret Service for possible federal crimes resulting from the same series of events.

http://www.seacoastonline.com/articles/20090811-NEWS-908119961

Hmmmm. Found in the supposedly secured school. Had a knife is his pocket that would not have gone through the metal detector had he tried to enter legally. Had a loaded, unlicensed gun. Bomb sniffing dogs 'hit' on his truck. Me thinks he is in a world of hurt.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

"Book 'em Danno!

[snookums1]

"Book 'em Danno! :biggrin: I have a feeling the Danno in the Secret Service will book him good.

[daniel green]

Why are we bankrupting this country for 21 million illegals who should be sent on the first bus one way back from wherever they come from. We don’t need illegals. Send them home once. Send them home with a bullet in their head the second time. Read what Jefferson said about the Tree of Liberty — it’s coming baby.” Right-wing protesters have been inspiring each other by referencing this 1787 quote by Thomas Jefferson: “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” One Portsmouth protester also held a sign which read “It Is Time To Water The Tree Of Liberty.”

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/11/immigration-new-hampshire-protest/

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

:biggrin: I have a feeling the Danno in the Secret Service will book him good.

I believe your "feeling" is true!

[Jumbo1]

This is the part that struck me:

I don't know where you live, but here in very red Kansas certain of our churches preach campaign around election time & hand out campaign literature in the vestibule or the parking lot. Some even put campaign ads on their signs.

[snookums1]

This is the part that struck me: Do you remember in the not too distant past when people were arrested for wearing anti Bush T-shirts to Bush events? With Obama they are allowed to strap loaded guns to their legs.

[daniel green]

Do you remember in the not too distant past when people were arrested for wearing anti Bush T-shirts to Bush events? With Obama they are allowed to strap loaded guns to their legs.

YUP YUP. Unbelievable.

[daniel green]

There is a man with a gun near an Obama rally. Here is the video. This is insane! Did you see his sign? "It Is Time to Water the Tree of Liberty." That is from this Jefferson quote: "And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure." This is the same exact quote Tim McVeigh was referencing in a shirt he wore... before bombing the Oklahoma City federal building. Now, imagine if there was left-winger with a gun waiting for Bush holding a sign that the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood tyrants? How long would that guy have lasted? You think they'd let him just sit there and wait for Bush? And say, "Hey, it's perfectly legal

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/man-with-a-gun-near-obama_b_256794.html

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Do you remember in the not too distant past when people were arrested for wearing anti Bush T-shirts to Bush events? With Obama they are allowed to strap loaded guns to their legs.

I do and they were compensated with what 80 grand? The Charleston, West Virginia PD was at fault here. If the man is not breaking a law-- you would suggest that one is broken again (as you mentioned above in the wrongful arrest of this couple) in arresting someone without cause?

[snookums1]

And there may be more. A lawsuit was filed last week by the Second Amendment Foundation against Washington DC.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/08/07/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5222857.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody

The question from your link is this "One question left unanswered by the U.S. Supreme Court's landmark Second Amendment ruling last year is this: When do law-abiding Americans have the right to carry firearms in public for self-defense?". The guy in NH today had it hanging from a holster, strapped to his leg in plain view of a presidential event. He was carrying a sign meant to be a threat. That hardly can be classed as self defense.

[MiamiNice1]

HuffingtonPost is such a CROCK. Nothing can be done about him because it is LEGAL to do what this man is doing and he is there with the church's permission.

If it were Bush, he couldn't? omg. So Huffington thinks Obama is such a nice guy that he's "allowing him" to be there with a gun? :rolleyes:

Obama is "allowing him" because it is LEGAL and the LAW and there is nothing he can do. If Bush were in the same place, there would be nothing he could do either. How childish of the HuffingtonPost to do this kind of comparison. Petty and childish to keep trying to bring Bush into Obama's problem. Get over it, HuffingtonPost!

imo

[Lady_Jean_La]

I don't see anything. :confused:

[snookums1]

I do and they were compensated with what 80 grand? The Charleston, West Virginia PD was at fault here. If the man is not breaking a law-- you would suggest that one is broken again (as you mentioned above in the wrongful arrest of this couple) in arresting someone without cause? They also lost their jobs over it since they worked for a federal agency so IMO they should have been compensated. But they were not the only ones arrested for the same offense. Besides, I don't think wearing a T shirt can be compared to carrying a gun to any event, be it political or something else. When you add the sign into the equasion, it constitutes a threat IMO.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

They also lost their jobs over it since they worked for a federal agency so IMO they should have been compensated. But they were not the only ones arrested for the same offense. Besides, I don't think wearing a T shirt can be compared to carrying a gun to any event, be it political or something else. When you add the sign into the equasion, it constitutes a threat IMO.

But it is legal to carry that gun there-- so again, you either advocate arresting him 'without cause' or allow him his rights as outlined by the law.

If the secret service thought he was a threat he would have been removed some time ago IMO.

[MiamiNice1]

But it is legal to carry that gun there-- so again, you either advocate arresting him 'without cause' or allow him his rights as outlined by the law.

If the secret service thought he was a threat he would have been removed some time ago IMO.
Shouldn't Obama know better than anyone about this? He IS a Constitutional Scholar, afterall. :rolleyes:

imo

[snookums1]

I heard that some elderly mobsters rolled up to an Obama Rally in a fully loaded Bradley Fighting Vehicle.

All they got was a warning from the local police for illegal parking!

This may or may not be true - the link was from the DailyKos or Pravda (one or the other, can't remember) so I have little or no doubt that it's true.

I'm scurrying around trying to find it!!!

:laugh::laugh: I will help you scurry.


http://www.opednews.com/articles/Gun-Toting-Townhaller-on-O-by-Rob-Kall-090811-985.html Complete with pictures.

It was also on television but of course, I don't have a link to TV. That is how I know it was strapped, in open view, to his leg. Sort of like a gunslinger. I saw it.

[MiamiNice1]

Geez...He had a gun but he didn't use it.

How many other people who were there had a gun? Were there metal detectors? There should be at a Presidential event.

Nothing happened. I fail to see why this is an issue.

imo
This is exactly what I was going to say next.....how many OTHER people had a gun there? :rolleyes:

Huffington Post loves to make drama out of nothing.....and the supporters fall for it every time.

imo

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

I will help you scurry.


http://www.opednews.com/articles/Gun-Toting-Townhaller-on-O-by-Rob-Kall-090811-985.html Complete with pictures.

It was also on television but of course, I don't have a link to TV. That is how I know it was strapped, in open view, to his leg. Sort of like a gunslinger. I saw it.

Thank you for the pictures, I did not notice it until you provided them!

So the gun was not concealed? Legal, correct?

[snookums1]

Shouldn't Obama know better than anyone about this? He IS a Constitutional Scholar, afterall. :rolleyes:

imo What is he supposed to know about? When there was footage on television today, he was not even there yet. No one arrested the nutjob. No one even approached him. So, what pray tell, was Obama supposed to know? It was the clown found inside the school that was arrested. First for trespassing, since he had broken into the place when no one was supposed to be there, then for weapons charges since he had a knife on his person and a loaded unlicensed gun in his possession. Are you saying Obama should have intervened in his arrest also?

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Shouldn't Obama know better than anyone about this? He IS a Constitutional Scholar, afterall. :rolleyes:

imo

LOL Quite! I had forgotten.

[snookums1]

Thank you for the pictures, I did not notice it until you provided them!

So the gun was not concealed? Legal, correct? Which is why no one arrested him. Strange thing to do though, you have to admit. Combined with the sign, he could have been arrested for terroristic threats. People have been arrested for less. Yet, no one arrested him.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

QUOTE SNIPPED

. Are you saying Obama should have intervened in his arrest also?

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With the pedestal some have put Obama on---he could have done such with his pinkie finger alone, while blindfolded with both legs tied together --- all accomplished while writing a new preamble to the constitution. IMO :tongueside:

[MiamiNice1]

Which is why no one arrested him. Strange thing to do though, you have to admit. Combined with the sign, he could have been arrested for terroristic threats. People have been arrested for less. Yet, no one arrested him.
So again, what does that tell you? It was LEGAL.

imo

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Which is why no one arrested him. Strange thing to do though, you have to admit. Combined with the sign, he could have been arrested for terroristic threats. People have been arrested for less. Yet, no one arrested him.

This is my assumption-- the Secret Service must have approached him OR they had many eyes on him to assure Obama was safe.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

LEGAL is a somewhat outmoded concept.

BO has czars working on that!!!

:laugh::laugh:

Seems so and scary! :scared:

[MiamiNice1]

LEGAL is a somewhat outmoded concept.

BO has czars working on that!!!

:laugh::laugh:
Hate to see what power grab will be next, after Healthcare! :scared:

imo

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Hate to see what power grab will be next, after Healthcare! :scared:

imo

“When all is said on health care reform, the American people are going to be glad that we acted to change an unsustainable system so that more people have coverage," Obama said following a North America summit in Guadalajara, Mexico.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2009/08/68496551/1

Obama seems to not realize that American's have never liked to be told what they have to do... that is why America exists-- quite simple really.

[Lady_Jean_La]

LEGAL is a somewhat outmoded concept.

BO has czars working on that!!!

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

What we need is a smiley czar!

http://fastfood.freedomblogging.com/files/2008/06/montage_640x480.jpg

[Adalena935]

Wow!

I'm with you!!

This is horrible - not as bad as a President of the United States who cavorted with Known Terrorists (Ayers, Bill Ayers) but horrible, nonetheless!!!

Have you notified Flag@America.gov or whatever that snitch site is, yet???

:confused::confused::confused:

snitch site, lol

[MiamiNice1]

What we need is a smiley czar!

http://fastfood.freedomblogging.com/files/2008/06/montage_640x480.jpg
Awwwww. They're too cute to be Czars! :biggrin:

[Adalena935]

No doubt FBI and other law enforcement were there. I figured he must not have broken any laws or they would've arrested him.

In the she thinks she's special dept.; I hope someone checked Feinstein's purse. While mayor of San Francisco she banned guns in the city. Then was found carrying one concealed sneakily in her purse. :sneaky:

http://www.alphadogweb.com/firearms/Diane_Feinstein.htm

[Adalena935]

Wardrobes aside we still don't arrest people in the USA for what they never have done.

[MiamiNice1]

No, not Canadian, maybe you could use a refresher in simple English though. I understand your post perfectly well, your healthcare grab comment was just an attempt to sway the issue into something you could push your agenda with. Wrong thread. This thread is regarding the safety of the POTUS. When did the safety of the POTUS becomes an issue that can't be discussed without all the joking and derailing, there's trouble. Even more than I thought. Imho
LOL - you keep changing your point. Telling. This may come as a shock to you, but this is a message board where opinions are discussed. You have the option of not viewing the threads you do not like.

Oh, and you are not the moderator. The one we have is doing a dandy job without your help.

imo

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

No, not Canadian, maybe you could use a refresher in simple English though. I understand your post perfectly well, your healthcare grab comment was just an attempt to sway the issue into something you could push your agenda with. Wrong thread. This thread is regarding the safety of the POTUS. When did the safety of the POTUS becomes an issue that can't be discussed without all the joking and derailing, there's trouble. Even more than I thought. Imho

The SECRET SERVICE was there, police and goodness only knows what other federal, local and national LE.

NONE of them, I repeat NONE of them found this man to be a threat to the president IMO-- if they had they would have removed him. He was/is safe. The man broke NO LAWS. Would you have arrested this man for legally carrying a gun? If so I guess you could have tried a citizen’s arrest but again on what grounds? That you know better than the Secret Service, local law enforcement and dog only knows what other LE at the event?

[MiamiNice1]

The SECRET SERVICE was there, police and goodness only knows what other federal, local and national LE.

NONE of them, I repeat NONE of them found this man to be a threat to the president IMO-- if they had they would have removed him. He was/is safe. The man broke NO LAWS. Would you have arrested this man for legally carrying a gun? If so I guess you could have tried a citizen’s arrest but again on what grounds? That you know better than the Secret Service, local law enforcement and dog only knows what other LE at the event?
Well said. Seems some know better than all these LE agencies. Maybe it's because the Huffington Post says so? :read:

imo

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/11/protester-with-gun-found_n_256614.html

Video at the link

Oh, and just as an FYI, that is the same shirt that Tim McVeigh was wearing when he bombed the federal building.



I just watched your video ( I skipped it earlier and read the article) any who, it says quite clearly, VERY CLEARY that this man was there HOURS, let me repeat HOURS before Obama arrived AND the news anchor says he will be forced to move BEFORE Obama arrives.

[Streetdreamer]

Hate is a strong word.

BO has brought scorn upon himself due to his "arrogant, dismissive, derisive" and divisive behavior and comments directed at Americans who disagree with his policies. If public opinion continues to mount against him and his policies, he has no one but himself to blame.

IMO

Hate is the most accurate one. A disagreement in policy doesn't justify death threats. The presumption of arrogance is something you apply due to your bias. George Bush has had much lower approval ratings and only sees 1/4th the death threats? Yet his arrogance was far and away exceeding anything you have on Obama. Even at war, he had the nerve to tell insurgents to "bring it on" with our soldiers in harms way. Yet he recieves no where near the death threats and credible attempts on his life. Don't ignore the elephant in the room, admit it, admonish it, embrace it. Refusing to do so makes your comments less credible.

[lunchlady]

I don't think our POTUS should be going to public events where he could get shot so easily. The Secret Service can only do so much to prevent a shooting. I know he's brave, but I really don't want to see him get hurt and I don't think he's taking the magnitude of the danger seriously enough.

All the ugly talk lately about lynchings, poisonings, being drowned in the creek, stakes in the heart, comparisons to Hitler, fake birth certificates, Brown Shirts, racism, evil death panels, and the old refrains about socialism and terrorism are getting to be really creepy. I can only surmise that some folks are so fearful and angry that they want to see someone die, maybe a lot of people. Let's sell them some more assault rifles. What kind of shows are these people watching?

I realize that to become a non-white POTUS you have to screen a lot of stuff out, but I've been thinking of a cat walking in front of a dog on a chain lately. If that chain breaks as the dog lunges at him then he's going to get chomped.

[Streetdreamer]

I don't think our POTUS should be going to public events where he could get shot so easily. The Secret Service can only do so much to prevent a shooting. I know he's brave, but I really don't want to see him get hurt and I don't think he's taking the magnitude of the danger seriously enough.

All the ugly talk lately about lynchings, poisonings, being drowned in the creek, stakes in the heart, comparisons to Hitler, fake birth certificates, Brown Shirts, racism, evil death panels, and the old refrains about socialism and terrorism are getting to be really creepy. I can only surmise that some folks are so fearful and angry that they want to see someone die, maybe a lot of people. Let's sell them some more assault rifles. What kind of shows are these people watching?

I realize that to become a non-white POTUS you have to screen a lot of stuff out, but I've been thinking of a cat walking in front of a dog on a chain lately. If that chain breaks as the dog lunges at him then he's going to get chomped.

I think people won't be able to get at the POTUS and will eventually take it out on a few of his supporters. There were reports of racially motivated assaults on blacks when he was nominated. I imagine when something really divisive like another officer Crowley comes along something real ugly can result from it which will be far more divisive than the event itself.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

I'm very concerned about that also - Palin, Beck and others are really trying to make something happen to the President - IMO using words like Evil in relation to the President gives the nuts a sort of permission. Some nut will try to kill him and they will blame that on him too. I don't know why the many, many death threats he gets every day seem to be reported in Canadian and UK papers more than here.

Were you as concerned when people use the word EVIL to describe Bush when he was POTUS? Bill Clinton Or just Obama? Is a POTUS a POTUS or just Obama a POTUS?

Search Results "Bush Evil"

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4GGLJ_en&ei=4l6CSt7TBJXaNqfPzaAL&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=bush+evil&spell=1





Search Results 'Bill Clinton Evil'

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4GGLJ_en&q=Bill+Clinton+Evil&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

"Evil" is not a new word coined to describe Obama as POTUS.

[lunchlady]

Were you as concerned when people use the word EVIL to describe Bush when he was POTUS? Bill Clinton Or just Obama? Is a POTUS a POTUS or just Obama a POTUS?

Search Results "Bush Evil"

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4GGLJ_en&ei=4l6CSt7TBJXaNqfPzaAL&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=bush+evil&spell=1





Search Results 'Bill Clinton Evil'

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4GGLJ_en&q=Bill+Clinton+Evil&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

"Evil" is not a new word coined to describe Obama as POTUS.

I will admit that I mightily disliked Bush and mistrusted him and his whole gang, but I never wanted to listen to anyone talk about Bushco or their supporters being physically attacked. Impeached and/or indicted yes, shot no.
Are there any examples of Bush critics using such violent language to talk about Bush or his supporters? I predict you'll have to scrape pretty hard to find a link.

[Olives]

Chris Matthews had this gun toting nitwit on his show yesterday and showed him for the absolute fool he is. Bringing a loaded gun, according to him, to a public event in the vicinity of an appearace by our President. That is just nuts. He should have been hauled away, imo.

[magythekat]

As usual, you don't understand the post - I was talking about a healthcare grab and you make it into your tasteless agenda. Do you need a translation into Canadian?

I KNEW IT!!! Thanks MiamiNice for confirming for me that we 'still' have "her" in our midst. Oh well, such is life.

[rubberneckin]

http://www.infowars.com/chris-matthews-fails-to-roast-new-hampshire-patriot/

William Kostric on Chris Matthews.

[Mimi428]

Were you as concerned when people use the word EVIL to describe Bush when he was POTUS? Bill Clinton Or just Obama? Is a POTUS a POTUS or just Obama a POTUS?

"Evil" is not a new word coined to describe Obama as POTUS.

<snipped>

Do you recall either GWB being described as "evil" by anyone associated with the mainstream media, or a fellow politician before he was elected? Was he called "evil" within the first 100 days or the 2nd 100 days by the likes of Beck, Limbaugh & Palin, etc?

That's what would be worth your Google search, because that is what happened to Obama.

It isn't a matter of one blogger or group of people with a gripe about whoever is in office & you know it. GWB was given carte blanche to do whatever he wanted - & not one word of dissent for his plans was tolerated for years, literally. To even hint that going to war in Iraq was misguided (much less 'evil') earned any politician or individual an avalanche of the worst excoriation. I doubt your memory is so impaired that you don't remember that.

JMO

[Re-Poe]

<snipped>

Do you recall either GWB being described as "evil" by anyone associated with the mainstream media, or a fellow politician before he was elected? Was he called "evil" within the first 100 days or the 2nd 100 days by the likes of Beck, Limbaugh & Palin, etc?

That's what would be worth your Google search, because that is what happened to Obama.

It isn't a matter of one blogger or group of people with a gripe about whoever is in office & you know it. GWB was given carte blanche to do whatever he wanted - & not one word of dissent for his plans was tolerated for years, literally. To even hint that going to war in Iraq was misguided (much less 'evil') earned any politician or individual an avalanche of the worst excoriation. I doubt your memory is so impaired that you don't remember that.

JMO

Right on Mimi. And who has all that innocent blood dripping from their hands????? GWB will have to answer for that someday....he will... he will....imo

[lunchlady]

<snipped>

Do you recall either GWB being described as "evil" by anyone associated with the mainstream media, or a fellow politician before he was elected? Was he called "evil" within the first 100 days or the 2nd 100 days by the likes of Beck, Limbaugh & Palin, etc?

That's what would be worth your Google search, because that is what happened to Obama.

It isn't a matter of one blogger or group of people with a gripe about whoever is in office & you know it. GWB was given carte blanche to do whatever he wanted - & not one word of dissent for his plans was tolerated for years, literally. To even hint that going to war in Iraq was misguided (much less 'evil') earned any politician or individual an avalanche of the worst excoriation. I doubt your memory is so impaired that you don't remember that.

JMO

Obama has been inviting open discussion and transparency. Contrast this to Bush's relative lack of contact with the press and the people. With the current riled-up condition of The Base I would say that Obama might need to come up with some strategies to soothe them. Attempting intellectual discussion with an irrational person or group just gets them more riled up. In this way I would say that Obama is handling dissent in a way that causes him more troubles, but perhaps its okay in the long run. The level of violent agitation is scary, but maybe its better to get it out in the open and see what it looks like and if it has any momentum.

Bushco understood that it was easier for them to do things quietly and put on chilly atmosphere on anyone who objected to their doings. John Bolton and others even suggested we withdraw from the UN, since they dared to criticize the US for invading Iraq. The wars were first spun as necessary because of WMDs and terrorist bases, then as patriotic and spreading democracy. Sending the American Death Machine overseas is something that should be done with great care, which I don't think Bushco used. But everyone had the flags waving on their cars and big SUVs and wanted to support the troops and there was an air of excitement in our community when the first bombs dropped. 6 or more years later it just seems normal to be at war.
I think this was a huge failure of diplomacy and looking for alternatives, but I must admit that Bushco handled the dissent pretty effectively for their purposes. That doesn't mean I want Obama to pursue someone like the Patriot Act, or try too hard to pacify the kooks that are rattling their weapons lately. But he want to compare his media relations with those of the previous administration and learn a thing or two.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

So the guy wasn't actually wearing a tree of liberty t-shirt but the symbol was on the sign he was holding.

Why did the OP tie this symbol to McVeigh rather than Thomas Jefferson? (Rhetorical, of course). :)

That confused me too. Here I was searcing for "McVeigh wore black shirt with white pin stripes"... :w00t:

[momof6]

Where I'm from, you can wear a gun in a holster anywhere except where posted not to. (like post office or schools)

I saw a man at the gas station with a gun and holster the other day, nobody around here thinks anything of it.

During hunting season there are guns everywhere. And the amazing thing is.......We do not have any murders. I cannot remember the last murder or person being shot around here.


What we should really be concerned with according to Nancy Pelosi, is how the people attending were dressed. I'd like to know how many were looking frumpy.

[rubberneckin]

Perhaps because IMO McVeigh and this guy are both anti government nuts.

He participated in the last election by voting for Ron Paul. That doesn't sound anti-government to me. Perhaps he is against a corrupt government that panders to corporations and bankers. JMO

[flareon]

LOL.. hubby bought me a very small pocket knife.. said FBI or something on it.. was kind of a joke.. got confiscated at the airport when I forgot to take it out of my purse...he always has one on him as he is a industrial hygienist and uses it for his work in scrapings of areas in bldgs... many people have them..

This is such a non issue IMO.. just as his town hall IMO was a farce.. hand selected people although "his people" call it a lottery via computer.. and certain political people..and contributors.. so basically you have a auditorium full of Obama faithful or people that aren't going to dare cause a commotion with his secret service in the area...

Can't believe anyone would think it would be anything else but a lovefest... Wonder if they sang kumbaya at the end:rolleyes:

Well, considering how the audience is screened, I would imagine the love filled the room and yet again another wasted moment where no real meaningful information was conveyed to the people.

I know what you mean about the pocket knife. I carry pepper spray. I forget it is there and I have had moments where I have had to give it up.

[daniel green]

Chris Matthews had this gun toting nitwit on his show yesterday and showed him for the absolute fool he is. Bringing a loaded gun, according to him, to a public event in the vicinity of an appearace by our President. That is just nuts. He should have been hauled away, imo.

I saw that. Totally nuts.

The man actually said that if everyone had been carrying a gun there, it would have been safer.

Matthews really nailed him asking him about the shirt logo and what it means.

[crocdog1]

I don't know where you live, but here in very red Kansas certain of our churches preach campaign around election time & hand out campaign literature in the vestibule or the parking lot. Some even put campaign ads on their signs.

Gosh, and I thought Churchs were non-profit regards their tax status.

[Hey Paula]

Analysis: Press Largely Ignored Incendiary Rhetoric at Bush Protest

EXCERPTS:

News outlets that are focusing on the incendiary rhetoric of conservatives outside President Obama's town hall meeting Tuesday ignored the incendiary rhetoric -- and even violence -- of liberals outside an appearance by former President George W. Bush in 2002.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/08/12/analysis-press-largely-ignored-incendiary-rhetoric-bush-protest/

[Hey Paula]

Classic "Man bites dog" mindset.

No news in Lefties acting like spoiled little kids!!

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Have you seen this?

Obama answering a question written by a campaign worker
Obama answer to staged Townhall question: I won’t “pull the plug on grandma”

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/13641

[Hey Paula]

Watching BOR tonite - clip of BO answering an obviously planted question from a little girl who just "happened" to be the daughter of the chief of a local Pro-BO outfit.

The fix is in - all BO stuttering and pregnant pauses to the contrary notwithstanding!

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

I'm watching BOR too. Dennis Miller cracks me up! LOL!

[Patriot]

LIBERAL HOAX ALERT.:rolleyes:

This guy did nothing illegal, IMO.


I love your Hoax Alerts, PG. Please keep 'em coming. They save me so much time. :thumbup:

[Brentwood]

I just do not understand the right wing world

[LisaM22]

But it is legal to carry that gun there-- so again, you either advocate arresting him 'without cause' or allow him his rights as outlined by the law.

If the secret service thought he was a threat he would have been removed some time ago IMO.

I always thought to carry a gun one needed a license, crazy, I have no problem with people having guns at home, out camping, hunting, but this was just taking it to far, this is a danger to the people, things like this will cause more restrictive gun laws, just as the terrorists created more restrictive flight rules

[Brentwood]

Birther Lies, Deather lies. Hitler/Fascism Lies, the boogyman is REAL, lies,

Imo, this carp is riling up and terrifying many low-info conservative voters who are being molded into being right wing lunatic fringe types by the hate mongers like rush, beck, hannity & repub’s in Washington who go along with it (even tho it’s ridiculous).

All these lies and fear tactics lead to violence. It is already happened. It is truly scary that angry anti-government fringe types can bring a gun to a town hall. And that a man snuck into the high school…What was his motivation??? I don’t think it was because he wanted a good seat.

[Brentwood]

There is a lot to worry about...

Protecting the president (cnn video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eSjaH0mtQU

Web sites and chat rooms of white supremists have seethed with hate. The idea of a black man in the white house is an utter enethima. It represents a stealing of the nation which they imagine was created as a Christain White entity.

There is also danger from the physologily dangerous…the lone wolfs who do not share their plans with anybody.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eSjaH0mtQU

[ABC]

There is a lot to worry about...

Protecting the president (cnn video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eSjaH0mtQU

Web sites and chat rooms of white supremists have seethed with hate. The idea of a black man in the white house is an utter enethima. It represents a stealing of the nation which they imagine was created as a Christain White entity.

There is also danger from the physologily dangerous…the lone wolfs who do not share their plans with anybody.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eSjaH0mtQU
Lest we forget, it was a simple majority of Americans (not me) who voted this man into the White House , so clearly claims that we are a racist country are not true. That old battle cry of racist like abortion have lost their passion and merit. Libs should be glad and jumping joy.
What in the world? Low information Conservatives - thats a contradiction in terms.
Blue Dog Dems, like me understand both the Right and Left Wing and the folks in the middle which thankfully is the majority of Americans. As all conservatives are not RW, all Dems are not LW.

[Brentwood]

I always thought to carry a gun one needed a license, crazy, I have no problem with people having guns at home, out camping, hunting, but this was just taking it to far, this is a danger to the people, things like this will cause more restrictive gun laws, just as the terrorists created more restrictive flight rules

I agree....taken way too far. Just think about bush....If someone wore a t-shirt that did not support him.............they were ejected (or worse).