Obama makes an OOPS!

[Veritas]

LINK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XTi-WdOu2s&feature=player_embedded)

"...If you think about it, UPS and FedEx are doing just fine; It's the Post Office that is always running into problems."


Someone needs to tell Obama that it is the government running the Post Office. :rolleyes:

[Veritas]

The Federal Govt. does NOT run the Post Office System any longer. Comprehension is everything:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Postal_Service

From your link--:rolleyes:

The United States Postal Service (USPS) is a Government Corporation of the United States(see 39 U.S.C. § 201) responsible for providing postal service in the United States.




But the USPS is not a corporation. It is legally defined as an "independent establishment of the executive branch of the Government of the United States," (39 U.S.C. § 201) and is wholly owned by the government and controlled by the Presidential appointees and the Postmaster General.

Reading is essential. JMHO

[flareon]

Obama = the best source of entertainment available. I would say "free" but we all know it's costing us an arm and a leg.

Please don't miss the "comments." :laugh:

MO

I always love the comments and you are right about Obama. Not a day goes by where he or one of his minions say something that is out of touch.

[theal3]

Right, the Govt. doesn't run the Post Office, so it's not a oops. Reminds me of a guy I saw on TV shouting, "I don't want the govt. running or ruining my Medicare!" How informed was that guy? There are way too many know nothings. IMHO.

[Lady_Jean_La]

Right, the Govt. doesn't run the Post Office, so it's not a oops. Reminds me of a guy I saw on TV shouting, "I don't want the govt. running or ruining my Medicare!" How informed was that guy? There are way too many know nothings. IMHO.
Many people don't want the government ruining their Medicare. imo

[flareon]

"About the US Postal Service"

"A Very Business-Like Semi-Governmental Agency"




http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/consumerawareness/a/uspsabout.htm


You are exactly right. It is a hybrid, but definitely under government control.

Office of Personnel Management oversees the employees and the Postal Service is governed by a nine-member Board of Governors, whose members are appointed by the President with Senate confirmation. The nine Governors then select a Postmaster General, who becomes a member of the Board. Those 10 select a Deputy Postmaster General, who also serves on the Board.

It is ludicrous to try to say it isn't a government agency.

[Veritas]

Why doesn't the post office deliver mail on government holidays? :confused:


From the USPS web site:

It is an independent establishment of the executive branch of the Government of the United States.


LINK (http://www.usps.com/welcome.htm?from=global_header&page=homepage)

[Susan43]

Many people don't want the government ruining their Medicare. imo

Medicare is a government run program. Ready to give it up now? I'm not.

http://www.medicare.gov/

[Veritas]

Medicare is a government run program. Ready to give it up now? I'm not.

http://www.medicare.gov/


Does the Medicare program run smoothly? Are there any problems with it? Is it financially sound?

[snookums1]

LINK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XTi-WdOu2s&feature=player_embedded)



Someone needs to tell Obama that it is the government running the Post Office. :rolleyes: The government DOES NOT run the post office. Instead of making statements that are untruthful and rolling your eyes, you need to use those eyes to ferret out the truth.

[Lady_Jean_La]

Medicare is a government run program. Ready to give it up now? I'm not.

http://www.medicare.gov/

Yes, I am. But if I have to keep it, I don't want it ruined. imo

[flareon]

Why should anyone give up what they have paid for? People have had no choice in being a participant in Medicare since 1965. Ready to give it up now? I'm not. That fact doesn't mean they have to want and/or accept another gov't run program.

You're absolutely right, but this has become their new talking point.

It is much like social security and medicaid. Just because you have these programs which have many problems, it doesn't mean you have to keep repeating the same mistakes and create more time bombs.

[MiamiNice1]

LINK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XTi-WdOu2s&feature=player_embedded)



Someone needs to tell Obama that it is the government running the Post Office. :rolleyes:
:lol: That was the LONGEST 1:34 I've ever endured! Stumbling and bumbling.......if Obama can't even get it right, how will the rest of the country? :ohmy:

imo

[MiamiNice1]

First of all the USPS is under Government control.

Second of all - regardless of whether it is or isn't - Obama thinks it is!

What point do you think he was trying to make comparing the USPS to FedEx?imo

A very BAD one, imo!

[flareon]

Exactly. I don't know why that is so difficult for some to understand.

I don't know. I don't know if they don't understand it or if they just get a talking point and know they are supposed to use it, even when it doesn't make any sense to the topic at hand.

[MiamiNice1]

:laugh: Take two aspirins and call me in the morning.

:thumbsup: The anger is always so disproportionate, isn't it? :blink:

[Veritas]

Who runs the Postal Service? In 1970, Congress removed the postmaster general from the president's Cabinet and turned the Post Office Department into the United States Postal Service, operated by an 11-member Board of Governors. Nine members are appointed by the president and approved by the Senate. They serve nine-year terms, and no more than five members can belong to one political party. Those nine members appoint the 10th member, the postmaster general. Then the 10 members select the deputy postmaster general. The Board of Governors approves rate changes after consultation with the Postal Rate Commission, whose five members are appointed by the president and approved by the Senate.




:rolleyes:



LINK (http://www.slate.com/id/1008012/)

[MiamiNice1]

Obama = the best source of entertainment available. I would say "free" but we all know it's costing us an arm and a leg.

Please don't miss the "comments." :laugh:

MO
So true. It seems that daily, the Obama administration is finding new ways to "re-invent the wheel" and making everyone pay for it!

imo

[MiamiNice1]

LOL! :laugh::laugh:

He was wrong on so many levels i don't know where to start.

And what's with the long pause and the stuttering....?

Maybe he was thinking of whether we're stupid enough to buy it.

imo
:laugh: It's like even HE isn't buying what he's saying! imo.

[snookums1]

The USPS is often mistaken for a government-owned corporation (e.g., Amtrak). Indeed in 2004, the U.S. Supreme Court heard a case that hinged on whether the USPS was a corporation or not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Postal_Service

It is in fact, a private business, run by a board just like many other majors businesses. It is not owned and operated by the government at all.

[Lady_Jean_La]

The government DOES NOT run the post office. Instead of making statements that are untruthful and rolling your eyes, you need to use those eyes to ferret out the truth.



Is the USPS a government organization?
It might be best called a quasi-government organization. It has some government-like behaviors:

Not subject to taxes: gas, income, property, sales tax.
Any profits belong to the taxpayers.
Exists exclusively to provide universal mail service to all Americans. That's why the USPS has been granted several advantages that shield it from market forces.
Has no investors or shareholders.
Has 2000 federal law enforcement officers as employees.


http://www.digistamp.com/epm.htm

[Susan43]

Why should anyone give up what they have paid for? People have had no choice in being a participant in Medicare since 1965. Ready to give it up now? I'm not. That fact doesn't mean they have to want and/or accept another gov't run program.

I understand, you have yours and the heck with other people. Obviously we do not agree on this issue because I actually feel ashamed that so many of my fellow citizens and neighbors are without conprehensive healthcare. I actually do find it just shameful that we have people facing bankruptcy and losing their homes because they got sick or lost their jobs.

To each his own I guess.

[flareon]

So true. It seems that daily, the Obama administration is finding new ways to "re-invent the wheel" and making everyone pay for it!

imo

I don't think it is reinventing the wheel as much as distorting or destroying the wheel.

[theal3]

Why should anyone give up what they have paid for? People have had no choice in being a participant in Medicare since 1965. Ready to give it up now? I'm not. That fact doesn't mean they have to want and/or accept another gov't run program.

You do have a choice. I applied when I turned the qualifying age. And it's not automatic, you apply, but you don't have to apply, and you do not have to accept Medicare either. I checked "yes." But who wouldn't want it. It SS and Medicare is really good. I have no complaints. See what ever Dr. I want.

[flareon]

Credible links can be posted in black and white and instead of being glad there is a solution, the whiney, angry posts just continue.

imo

I know. Sometimes you have to believe they are just kidding because the alternative is kind of strange.

[jammies]

But they'll probably expect the government to pay for it. :biggrin:




:thumbsup:

[MiamiNice1]

I don't think it is reinventing the wheel as much as distorting or destroying the wheel.
Exactly, and we know how THAT always ends up!

[flareon]

Everytime someone launches into The "Medicare is Government Run" diatribe, it just shows how SILLY the Dem talking points are. Like no one knows that? Yes, you're right, it IS insulting, but that's all they know how to do when faced with the truth.

There is NO comparison between the Medicare Program and a Government Run Insurance program. You would think those people spouting this would know the difference, but I guess it needs to be spelled out for those perpetuating this silliness. What a dumb comparison/talking point - I expected better.

:rolleyes:

imo

eta - gotta run, be back in a flash.

I know. That talking point has been used so much it is beginning to collect mold. It didn't make sense when it was first used a week ago and it hasn't improved with age.

[Lady_Jean_La]

:lol: That was the LONGEST 1:34 I've ever endured! Stumbling and bumbling.......if Obama can't even get it right, how will the rest of the country? :ohmy:

imo

Just blindly follow and have hope. :wub:

[Lady_Jean_La]

I understand, you have yours and the heck with other people. Obviously we do not agree on this issue because I actually feel ashamed that so many of my fellow citizens and neighbors are without conprehensive healthcare. I actually do find it just shameful that we have people facing bankruptcy and losing their homes because they got sick or lost their jobs.

To each his own I guess.

Why not help those people and leave the rest alone?

[snookums1]

Why not help those people and leave the rest alone?

In the health care bill being proposed, that is exactly what they want to do. No one would force you to give up whatever insurance plan you have if you chose to keep it. There are so many lies and distortions being bandied about that many people don't know what to believe. But if one were to read the actual proposals, one would realize that if someone wanted to keep their insurance coverage, they can do so.

[Lady_Jean_La]

You do have a choice. I applied when I turned the qualifying age. And it's not automatic, you apply, but you don't have to apply, and you do not have to accept Medicare either. I checked "yes." But who wouldn't want it. It SS and Medicare is really good. I have no complaints. See what ever Dr. I want.There must be different methods or conditions. People I know never alpplied it was automatic.

The people who wouldn't want it are the people who must pay for it. imo

[drgnrtz]

Entertainment? Is that what your side calls it now? I guess after 8 years of idiocy you folks are still looking for someone to dumb it down for you. Sadly, Obama isn't that person.

And please get off the costing us an arm and leg crap. Not a single one of you Bush lovers on this board batted an eye at the cost of the war started on lies. Not a single one of you batted an eye at the cost of human life during the war started on lies.

Entertainment? Yeah, reading you right wing hypocritical posts is pure entertainment. Then when done reading, I print them out and use them in the bottom of my bird cage so they can be used to do the job they're worth doing.

Now do what you do best and run along and report me to the moderators because I was a mean old Liberal. :rolleyes:

you mean like being reported for telling a person they should read the bill instead of listening and promoting the bull flying around. yep their good at that. i insulted them = 1 point

[MiamiNice1]

Just blindly follow and have hope. :wub:
Ooops! I think that's beginning to "CHANGE." :sneaky:

imo

[flareon]

Just blindly follow and have hope. :wub:

Exactly. Luckily people have stopped doing that and are demanding answers.

[flareon]

Yeah but their racists, dontchaknow? :rolleyes:

imo

Only in the eyes of people who have made their living race baiting or who are willing to look silly as long as they think they appear enlightened.

[MiamiNice1]

I know. That talking point has been used so much it is beginning to collect mold. It didn't make sense when it was first used a week ago and it hasn't improved with age.
It's to the point where you can list the progression of talking points regarding the concerned citizens who oppose the Government Run Healthcare:

1) Racists

2) Dangerous (add to that: frightening, mob, scary, desperate....etc.)

3) Comparing Medicare to Government Healthcare

4) ?


Wonder what they'll come up with next? :rolleyes:

imo

[flareon]

It's to the point where you can list the progression of talking points regarding the concerned citizens who oppose the Government Run Healthcare:

1) Racists

2) Dangerous (add to that: frightening, mob, scary, desperate....etc.)

3) Comparing Medicare to Government Healthcare

4) ?


Wonder what they'll come up with next? :rolleyes:

imo

That you can and then the johnny-come-latelies arrive on the scene and act like they have created an original thought. :laugh:

[theal3]

There must be different methods or conditions. People I know never alpplied it was automatic.

The people who wouldn't want it are the people who must pay for it. imo

SS is not automatic, you must go in and prove who you are with documents: Birth certificate etc. Was that way for spouse and me 3 years later. For Medicare you get a notice: and it's automatic unless you check no and send in the notice. For both, never missed a payment or direct deposit, or paying the Dr. etc. Very efficient and well run, and we choose our Drs. All Americans, not just seniors should be so fortunate.

[flareon]

Don't forget well-dressed!

Lots of them are ex-Hippies (or they live in Oregon) and they don't like well-dressed.

Maybe next it will be "Don't smell bad"???

:smile:

Or "they actually pay their bills. There must be something wrong with them". :biggrin:

[theal3]

Don't forget well-dressed!

Lots of them are ex-Hippies (or they live in Oregon) and they don't like well-dressed.

Maybe next it will be "Don't smell bad"???

:smile:

How lame. I live in Oregon and dress fabulous. LOL, are you saying aging boomers all all ex hippies? How lame. How typical stereotyping.

[MiamiNice1]

Don't forget well-dressed!

Lots of them are ex-Hippies (or they live in Oregon) and they don't like well-dressed.

Maybe next it will be "Don't smell bad"???

:smile:
And the fact that they were well-dressed made them insincere. :rolleyes:

imo

[Lady_Jean_La]

It's to the point where you can list the progression of talking points regarding the concerned citizens who oppose the Government Run Healthcare:

1) Racists

2) Dangerous (add to that: frightening, mob, scary, desperate....etc.)

3) Comparing Medicare to Government Healthcare

4) ?


Wonder what they'll come up with next? :rolleyes:

imo

Selfish is coming ...

[Lady_Jean_La]

SS is not automatic, you must go in and prove who you are with documents: Birth certificate etc. Was that way for spouse and me 3 years later. For Medicare you get a notice: and it's automatic unless you check no and send in the notice. For both, never missed a payment or direct deposit, or paying the Dr. etc. Very efficient and well run, and we choose our Drs. All Americans, not just seniors should be so fortunate.

You have to pay for Medicare, right?

[MiamiNice1]

Selfish is coming ...
:tonguewag: Shhhhhhh. Don't give them ideas!

[flareon]

Selfish is coming ...

I think that one has already been used. :biggrin:

[ABC]

You have to pay for Medicare, right?
The government (actually the People) pay over $500.00 a month.
We (the people) over 65 pay about $95.00 a month which is automatically taken from the Social Security check.

[Lady_Jean_La]

The government (actually the People) pay over $500.00 a month.
We (the people) over 65 pay about $95.00 a month which is automatically taken from the Social Security check.
That's what I thought. No choice.

[Carol25]

You are exactly right. It is a hybrid, but definitely under government control.

Office of Personnel Management oversees the employees and the Postal Service is governed by a nine-member Board of Governors, whose members are appointed by the President with Senate confirmation. The nine Governors then select a Postmaster General, who becomes a member of the Board. Those 10 select a Deputy Postmaster General, who also serves on the Board.

It is ludicrous to try to say it isn't a government agency.

Just the long pause as if he's saying, Oh chick, what did I just say? show's you what he thought. The post office is run by the gov't.

Funny, indeed if he wasn't so scary.

[beattherap]

In the health care bill being proposed, that is exactly what they want to do. No one would force you to give up whatever insurance plan you have if you chose to keep it. There are so many lies and distortions being bandied about that many people don't know what to believe. But if one were to read the actual proposals, one would realize that if someone wanted to keep their insurance coverage, they can do so.
myth, a big myth.

imo.

[logbump]

The USPS is often mistaken for a government-owned corporation (e.g., Amtrak). Indeed in 2004, the U.S. Supreme Court heard a case that hinged on whether the USPS was a corporation or not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Postal_Service

It is in fact, a private business, run by a board just like many other majors businesses. It is not owned and operated by the government at all.
I thought the executive branch was part of the government...Wholly owned by the government.
But the USPS is not a corporation. It is legally defined as an "independent establishment of the executive branch of the Government of the United States," (39 U.S.C. § 201) and is wholly owned by the government and controlled by the Presidential appointees and the Postmaster General. As a quasi-governmental agency, it has many special privileges, including sovereign immunity, eminent domain powers, powers to negotiate postal treaties with foreign nations, and an exclusive legal right to deliver first-class and third-class mail.

[Adalena935]

I couldn't believe how long Obama talked today at his so-called townhall meeting. It just replayed on C-span and he just marched back and forth preaching and preaching and preaching. He droned on longer than the longest-winded preacher I've ever heard. He changed the name of health care to health insurance (white house web site). He should change the name of townhall to church.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

From your link--:rolleyes:






Reading is essential. JMHO

Yup, Yup!!

LOL another true oops from Obama. USPS is one of the many GSEs (government-sponsored enterprises) as is Freddie and Fannie.

[magythekat]

I understand, you have yours and the heck with other people. Obviously we do not agree on this issue because I actually feel ashamed that so many of my fellow citizens and neighbors are without conprehensive healthcare. I actually do find it just shameful that we have people facing bankruptcy and losing their homes because they got sick or lost their jobs.

To each his own I guess.

Susan, why do you always put that slant on things," you have yours and the heck with others", does it make you feel more caring to say that, are you having to convince yourself of something. Those of us that "have ours" have worked a long many years..going without a lot to save for our future, and have experienced much good luck as well. Why should those of us that have done that have to pay trillions more than we have already paid into gov. for those that have floated thru life not using good judgement on what they do. There is no one in this country right now that can't get medical care in an emergency situation. Right here in Georgia we have a program called PeachCare..it's ins. for children of parents that don't have ins. it's totally free to them and we Georgians pay for it thru taxes...don't mind a bit on that. You libs act as though people are dying in the streets because they are ill and can't get any help....thats baloney and you know it.

To each his own, I guess!

[Lady_Jean_La]

No, you forgot Nancy Pelosi's NAZI accusations and Astroturf! It's the same thing she and the dems said about the Tea Parties. The LEFT and DEM party is hijacked and now only primarily represents Green Extreme, World Socialist Govt, Global Warming. That's it. That's the NOT what the dem party is suppose to be. Everyone should re-register as Independents and wake up.Thank you!

:blushing:

[ABC]

No, you forgot Nancy Pelosi's NAZI accusations and Astroturf! It's the same thing she and the dems said about the Tea Parties. The LEFT and DEM party is hijacked and now only primarily represents Green Extreme, World Socialist Govt, Global Warming. That's it. That's the NOT what the dem party is suppose to be. Everyone should re-register as Independents and wake up.
Yes, the party is hijacked and Blue Dog Dems and the moderates are trying to take it back.

[R~O~S]

:rolleyes:



LINK (http://www.slate.com/id/1008012/)


Let me get this straight. You think because the government appointed board sets postal rates, that means they run the postal service?

Does that mean the states run the auto insurance companies? :rolleyes:

[Lady_Jean_La]

Yes, the party is hijacked and Blue Dog Dems and the moderates are trying to take it back.

Ditto! :thumbsup:

[Lady_Jean_La]

You're kidding with this refusal to admit the connection between the US Postal Service and the US, aren't you?

What are you?

A Stamper ?

:laugh::laugh:

Why else would the President bring it up?

[R~O~S]

You're kidding with this refusal to admit the connection between the US Postal Service and the US, aren't you?

What are you?

A Stamper ?

:laugh::laugh:

The postal service is an independent industry run by the Postal Service, has been since 1971.

Setting rates, is not running the Postal Service. FGS they haven't even hired civil service employees since the 1980's.

[Lady_Jean_La]

The postal service is an independent industry run by the Postal Service, has been since 1971.

Setting rates, is not running the Postal Service. FGS they haven't even hired civil service employees since the 1980's.

Gee, then why did the President mention it?

[R~O~S]

Yeah, and BO was born in Kenya, LOL!!!

Stampers and Birthers are like peas and carrots to me!




lol, I guess you'll find out when that last 10K of civil service employees retire just how fortunate you were when it was a government agency, now won't ya. :tonguewag:

[Lady_Jean_La]

lol, I guess you'll find out when that last 10K of civil service employees retire just how fortunate you were when it was a government agency, now won't ya. :tonguewag:

Nice of the President to mention non government employees. :thumbsup:

[Bluesplayer]

The original poster and many of the replies seemed to have missed our President Obama's point about the post office.

In the town hall meeting, someone questioned whether the government could compete fairly with private insurance companies.

President Obama's reference to the post office was to show that UPS and FedEx compete very well against the government's postal service, and that we could expect the same in insurance.

I would add, although the president didn't, that because the government postal service is still competing, they are helping to control the rates of the private shippers such as UPS and FedEx through competition, which is exactly what he expects a public-option health insurance program to do. It could be argued that without the US postal service, that UPS, FedEx and all the others would be much more expensive than they are now.

Sometimes I use the postal service, sometimes a private shipper.

It's nice to have a choice.

And that's the point.

I'm just sayin'.....