8/10 ~

[desmom]

Remebering Caylee on what would've been her 4th birthday
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/orange_news/080909rememberingcayleeonherfourthbirthday

Caylee, Trenton Remembered On Their Birthdays
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/8/9/caylee_anthony_would_have_turned_4_sunday.html

Caylee's 4th Birthday Celebrated At Morning Service
http://www.wesh.com/news/20338300/detail.html

[desmom]

Headlines from one year ago.....

Casey Cancels Parents' Visit
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/8/10/casey_anthony39s_parents_plan_another_jail_visit.h tml

Supporters Spend Caylee's Birthday Praying For Her Return
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/8/9/caylee_still_missing_on_3rd_birthday.html

Orlando Mystery 'Eerily Similar' To Portugal Missing Girl Case, Attorney Says
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/17148640/detail.html

Casey Anthony's Parents Meet Again With Detectives At Sheriff's Office
http://www.wftv.com/news/17142154/detail.html

[cassidy]

Once again, thanks desmom. I didn't realize that Josh Duckett was so closely involved with the Anthony's?

[bchand]

Remebering Caylee on what would've been her 4th birthday
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/orange_news/080909rememberingcayleeonherfourthbirthday

Caylee, Trenton Remembered On Their Birthdays
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/8/9/caylee_anthony_would_have_turned_4_sunday.html

Caylee's 4th Birthday Celebrated At Morning Service
http://www.wesh.com/news/20338300/detail.html



Morning Des - thanks for the links. I was just going through the FL sites myself.

From your cfnews13 link:

“I have some manners I want to go over with my client,” Baez said. “Today is a very difficult day for the entire family, so I thought a good distraction would be keeping her focused on the case.”

Typo? Either way, she could get a lesson in manners too.

[bchand]

Casey Anthony's defense team will be busy the next few weeks preparing for her trial. Her attorneys are expected to file a string of motions sometime after the Labor Day holiday in September. However, there are no more hearings scheduled in the case until January of 2010.

http://www.wftv.com/news/20341697/detail.html

I thought someone said there was a hearing on the criminal case scheduled in August? (Or if that for the check charges?)

Also -

Balloon Release Marks Caylee's Birthday

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/20339410/detail.html

[Sun]

Morning Des - thanks for the links. I was just going through the FL sites myself.

From your cfnews13 link:

“I have some manners I want to go over with my client,” Baez said. “Today is a very difficult day for the entire family, so I thought a good distraction would be keeping her focused on the case.”

Typo? Either way, she could get a lesson in manners too.

You could easily substitute "matters" in that sentence. Once again, it appears that Baez is running his mouth.

[Sun]

Casey Anthony's defense team will be busy the next few weeks preparing for her trial. Her attorneys are expected to file a string of motions sometime after the Labor Day holiday in September. However, there are no more hearings scheduled in the case until January of 2010.

http://www.wftv.com/news/20341697/detail.html

I thought someone said there was a hearing on the criminal case scheduled in August? (Or if that for the check charges?)

Also -

Balloon Release Marks Caylee's Birthday

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/20339410/detail.html

The Clerk of Courts records show this entry on the Criminal Murder Case (and media indicated that was in regards to Baez wanting access to Tony Lazzaro's phone records.

8/21/2009 0930 MANUAL - HEARING ROOM 19-D ON THE NINTEENTH FLR

[Postergeist]

thanks for the links desmom- just getting to read them-

what the heck?

http://www.wesh.com/news/20338300/detail.html

those who attended said that the girl's grandparents were re-baptized and the congregation watched a video montage of Caylee.

well- did their first baptisms not stick? I just do not understand that at all. Apparently- they don't believe in the once baptized always baptized way of thinking. Were they falsely baptized in the beginning?

:confused:

And I do wonder- did little Caylee ever get to celebrate her birthdays on earth in the church?

I specifically recall Cindy telling the FBI 'we're not church people'.

So Caylee gets to attend church in absentia apparently.

did this all just happen to fall on "take your lawyer to church day"?

[marshmallow]

from a year ago:
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/17111283/detail.html

The gas cans were stolen during the last week of June at a time when Caylee had reportedly been missing for several days.
"It's irrelevant to this case," Cindy Anthony said. "There's no reason to bring (the theft) up. Previously, (Casey) had used the gas cans. There's other people's fingerprints on them besides us, and that's what they're looking at."

and

Cindy Anthony said her husband noticed nothing suspicious when he retrieved the gas cans from the trunk.
"There was no Caylee in the back of the car. There was nothing else in the back of the car except the normal stuff," Cindy Anthony said.








didn't the LE see they had Cindy to do their job. She was being so kind as to tell them what was ands wasn't important.

[bchand]

You could easily substitute "matters" in that sentence. Once again, it appears that Baez is running his mouth.

Oh yes, I believe he meant/said matters.

I just said manners fits also. lol

Good Morning !

[cassidy]

:shrug:thanks for the links desmom- just getting to read them-

what the heck?

http://www.wesh.com/news/20338300/detail.html

those who attended said that the girl's grandparents were re-baptized and the congregation watched a video montage of Caylee.

well- did their first baptisms not stick? I just do not understand that at all. Apparently- they don't believe in the once baptized always baptized way of thinking. Were they falsely baptized in the beginning?

:confused:

And I do wonder- did little Caylee ever get to celebrate her birthdays on earth in the church?

I specifically recall Cindy telling the FBI 'we're not church people'.

So Caylee gets to attend church in absentia apparently.

did this all just happen to fall on "take your lawyer to church day"?

Must have been :shrug: Lots of people find religion when they run into trouble. Guess George and Cindy aren't as popular as they used to be, no cameras followed them to church yesterday.

[msgatorslayer]

thanks for the links desmom- just getting to read them-


did this all just happen to fall on "take your lawyer to church day"?

:lol: Rolling santa!

Everyone wants to find church after something bad happens. News flash, Anthony's, church isn't gonna help ya. You're a bunch of liars!!!

[101Spots]

Remebering Caylee on what would've been her 4th birthday
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/orange_news/080909rememberingcayleeonherfourthbirthday

Caylee, Trenton Remembered On Their Birthdays
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/8/9/caylee_anthony_would_have_turned_4_sunday.html

Caylee's 4th Birthday Celebrated At Morning Service
http://www.wesh.com/news/20338300/detail.html

They just can't leave it alone, can they?

[Sun]

[/B]

:lol: Rolling santa!

Everyone wants to find church after something bad happens. News flash, Anthony's, church isn't gonna help ya. You're a bunch of liars!!!

I pray that some of the goodness from the church will sink in. IMO, they need much more help than the church is able to provide. They need professional counseling.

[Kathlb]

:shrug:[QUOTE=Postergeist;13354843] *respectful snip*

Must have been :shrug: Lots of people find religion when they run into trouble. Guess George and Cindy aren't as popular as they used to be, no cameras followed them to church yesterday.

I'm guessing that unless C & G are acting out in a confrontation, no news media cares to follow them around anymore to film their "performances". I see that Lee wasn't there or at least they didn't say he and Mallory were there. I think Lee would like to put all of this behind him including Casey's time in jail. It will probably be next year before we see her again in court. Wonder if she will have ballooned up or lost down in weight by then. Hard to say. I can't believe that she just doesn't care that she is there day by long day. I also haven't seen a list of her visitors lately either. Wonder if JB is still going there daily and staying until midnight?

[101Spots]

thanks for the links desmom- just getting to read them-

what the heck?

http://www.wesh.com/news/20338300/detail.html

those who attended said that the girl's grandparents were re-baptized and the congregation watched a video montage of Caylee.

well- did their first baptisms not stick? I just do not understand that at all. Apparently- they don't believe in the once baptized always baptized way of thinking. Were they falsely baptized in the beginning?

:confused:

And I do wonder- did little Caylee ever get to celebrate her birthdays on earth in the church?

I specifically recall Cindy telling the FBI 'we're not church people'.

So Caylee gets to attend church in absentia apparently.

did this all just happen to fall on "take your lawyer to church day"?

I think this was "It's All About Us" day for the Anthonys.

Can you imagine going to church unaware of this planned event and having to sit through the tribute.......er, service?

100 people? What ever happened to *all* those Cindy brought into the church?

Tasteless, classless, and clueless.

[cassidy]

[QUOTE=cassidy;13354850]:shrug:

I'm guessing that unless C & G are acting out in a confrontation, no news media cares to follow them around anymore to film their "performances". I see that Lee wasn't there or at least they didn't say he and Mallory were there. I think Lee would like to put all of this behind him including Casey's time in jail. It will probably be next year before we see her again in court. Wonder if she will have ballooned up or lost down in weight by then. Hard to say. I can't believe that she just doesn't care that she is there day by long day. I also haven't seen a list of her visitors lately either. Wonder if JB is still going there daily and staying until midnight?

That's the part that boggles my mind too. If the girl was innocent, you'd think she be kicking and screaming to get out of there. Instead she seems to be sitting tight waiting for Jose to perform is miracles and get her off scot free.

JMO

[msgatorslayer]

I think this was "It's All About Us" day for the Anthonys.

Can you imagine going to church unaware of this planned event and having to sit through the tribute.......er, service?

100 people? What ever happened to *all* those Cindy brought into the church?

Tasteless, classless, and clueless.

IMO, the church is about the only place they can go where someone tells them what they want to hear. That they and Casey are God's children and loved. And that they are forgiven for their sins.

Yep, ITA, ALL ABOUT US DAY!

[bchand]

IMO, the church is about the only place they can go where someone tells them what they want to hear. That they and Casey are God's children and loved. And that they are forgiven for their sins.

Yep, ITA, ALL ABOUT US DAY!

I can hear Cindy now..

SINS?? What Sins?? We didn't do anything !!!

[msgatorslayer]

I can hear Cindy now..

SINS?? What Sins?? We didn't do anything !!!

:laugh: Cindy's confessional would be something like - This one time, at band camp...

[cassidy]

I can hear Cindy now..

SINS?? What Sins?? We didn't do anything !!!

And she'd be telling the truth. Casey lied and stole and they didn't DO anything. see, just about anything can be justified. :)

[Postergeist]

Must have been :shrug: Lots of people find religion when they run into trouble. Guess George and Cindy aren't as popular as they used to be, no cameras followed them to church yesterday.

Do you ever wonder if some of these people had religion/faith in their life prior to the trouble, there'd be no trouble to this degree?

I'm glad there were no media cameras, but something tells me there were cameras, just likely their PI buddy or the M's took pics so it can later be posted on their website.

So George has a boat and Josh is getting a truck for missing children, well then.

[Postergeist]

[/B]

:lol: Rolling santa!

Everyone wants to find church after something bad happens. News flash, Anthony's, church isn't gonna help ya. You're a bunch of liars!!!

ah! you are forgetting the story Cindy told tho to the FBI, about when Lee lost his faith. Recall that he took acne medicine or some RX which affected his platelets- he wasn't allowed to drive, etc. Casey was his rock during that time.

Actually tho, I do hope that attending services will help them- however, the old saying of walking into a garage doesn't make you a car...

[marshmallow]

[QUOTE=Kathlb;13354861]

That's the part that boggles my mind too. If the girl was innocent, you'd think she be kicking and screaming to get out of there. Instead she seems to be sitting tight waiting for Jose to perform is miracles and get her off scot free.

JMO

I honestly think Casey may be happy in jail. She can live in her pretend world and what does go on around her revolves around her in a sense. Add in the relief of no Cindy, no expected responsibility, no competition with Caylee or Cindy for male attention, and no lies to cover up. For the first time in her life, Casey's world really is all about her. She can snack and read all day. Jose is at her beck and call. In her mind she is important and best of all, no Cindy.

[Postergeist]

I think this was "It's All About Us" day for the Anthonys.

Can you imagine going to church unaware of this planned event and having to sit through the tribute.......er, service?

100 people? What ever happened to *all* those Cindy brought into the church?

Tasteless, classless, and clueless.

I don't see the need for the video montage- apparently little Caylee didn't attend the Sunday school there, partake of any children's services- so none would have known this child in life. This church was not her church family.

Mentioning her in the beginning of the service, when prayers are called for, requested, etc. would've been fine (usually during the time when they ask for silent prayer requests, pray for our troops, our nation, nurses and doctors, missionaries, etc.)

If I were attending & didn't know it was planned, I'd likely think- huh, did this family just pay for the new church roof, repaving of the parking lot, purchased new hymnals? Do they do this for all the deceased children's birthdays annually?

[Postergeist]

:laugh: Cindy's confessional would be something like - This one time, at band camp...

:lol:

oh, you mean she tells this to the moderator?

[desmom]

popping in and out...from the one year ago news articles:

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/8/10/casey_anthony39s_parents_plan_another_jail_visit.h tml
For the second time in three days, the mother of missing 3-year-old Caylee Anthony has refused a visit from family members.

Casey Anthony announced Sunday she did not want to see her parents, who were initially supposed to visit her at the Orange County Jail that evening...........

"I would like to see her, but what am I going to say? If she wants to not see us, that’s her prerogative," said Cidy Anthony, Casey's mother. "She probably has her reasons, and I'm not going to speculate."

Yet 4 days later..... http://www.wftv.com/video/18490326/index.html

Casey: Good Morning.

George: Good Morning Beautiful. I love you.

Casey: Hi.

Casey: I love you too. Why is she crying already?

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18490360/detail.html

[Sun]

[QUOTE=cassidy;13354865]

I honestly think Casey may be happy in jail. She can live in her pretend world and what does go on around her revolves around her in a sense. Add in the relief of no Cindy, no expected responsibility, no competition with Caylee or Cindy for male attention, and no lies to cover up. For the first time in her life, Casey's world really is all about her. She can snack and read all day. Jose is at her beck and call. In her mind she is important and best of all, no Cindy.

Casey is limited as to when she can shower (once every two days IIRC). She appears to "enjoy" her showers and probably hates the fact that she can't shower when and how often as she likes. I've gotten the impression that Casey was a bit picky about what she ate, that is before she was jailed. Now she gets no choices about food, other than commissary junk food. She either eats what she is served, or goes hungry, or snacks on junk food.

I would love to see the last 6 months worth of inmate visitor's logs for Casey. I've contacted WFTV before about this, but got no response from them. Here is the last one that they published.
(you may need to enlarge it to view the details).

http://www.wftv.com/news/18596659/detail.html

[Sun]

popping in and out...from the one year ago news articles:

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/8/10/casey_anthony39s_parents_plan_another_jail_visit.h tml
For the second time in three days, the mother of missing 3-year-old Caylee Anthony has refused a visit from family members.

Casey Anthony announced Sunday she did not want to see her parents, who were initially supposed to visit her at the Orange County Jail that evening...........

"I would like to see her, but what am I going to say? If she wants to not see us, that’s her prerogative," said Cidy Anthony, Casey's mother. "She probably has her reasons, and I'm not going to speculate."

Yet 4 days later..... http://www.wftv.com/video/18490326/index.html
Casey: Good Morning.

George: Good Morning Beautiful. I love you.

Casey: Hi.

Casey: I love you too. Why is she crying already?

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18490360/detail.html

Desmom, I loaded this link, the commercial played, but the video wouldn't load or start. Did it twice. Still nothing. Do you know if there is a different media link to it? (the Aug 14th jail video)

[desmom]

Desmom, I loaded this link, the commercial played, but the video wouldn't load or start. Did it twice. Still nothing. Do you know if there is a different media link to it? (the Aug 14th jail video)

I have a terrible time with some of WFTV's videos. I usually have to close all my screens, dump my cookies and try again.

I found these:

part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCpCinUYFwY&feature=related

part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYYpdaTK7KQ&feature=related

part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buDXeaNLJRA&feature=related

part 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsBjOZuGyx8&feature=related

[desmom]

Casey Anthony hearing set for next week
Lawyers will discuss motions filed by Casey Anthony's lawyer.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-081009,0,853353.story

Lawyers will be back in Orange County Circuit Court on Aug. 21 to discuss a slew of motions filed last month by defense attorney Jose Baez.

One of the motions asks that Tim Miller, head of search group Texas EquuSearch, be certified as a material witness in the case. The defense argues Miller has crucial information on how efforts were conducted.

Another motion asks a judge to put off the trial in the check fraud case against Anthony.

[Postergeist]

I'll be popping in and out too, but wanted to know if Sun or Des or anyone knew about the visitor logs-

does the media have to purchase those?

Is that why we haven't been seeing any lately- they just don't think it's worth the money- or maybe it's only been lawyers visiting and not newsworthy anymore?

Have a good morning everyone! :smile:

[101Spots]

Casey Anthony hearing set for next week
Lawyers will discuss motions filed by Casey Anthony's lawyer.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-081009,0,853353.story

Lawyers will be back in Orange County Circuit Court on Aug. 21 to discuss a slew of motions filed last month by defense attorney Jose Baez.

One of the motions asks that Tim Miller, head of search group Texas EquuSearch, be certified as a material witness in the case. The defense argues Miller has crucial information on how efforts were conducted.

Another motion asks a judge to put off the trial in the check fraud case against Anthony.

So we'll likely see NeJame arguing for Tim Miller. That will be a refreshing change from Jose "I'm not Perry Mason" Baez.

[cassidy]

ah! you are forgetting the story Cindy told tho to the FBI, about when Lee lost his faith. Recall that he took acne medicine or some RX which affected his platelets- he wasn't allowed to drive, etc. Casey was his rock during that time.

Actually tho, I do hope that attending services will help them- however, the old saying of walking into a garage doesn't make you a car...

Yikes! I must have missed that one. Let me get this straight: Lee lost his faith because his acne medicine didn't work right?? Oh Lee of little faith :) ( that's a play on words :biggrinjester: )

[desmom]

I'll be popping in and out too, but wanted to know if Sun or Des or anyone knew about the visitor logs-

does the media have to purchase those?

Is that why we haven't been seeing any lately- they just don't think it's worth the money- or maybe it's only been lawyers visiting and not newsworthy anymore?

Have a good morning everyone! :smile:

Postie I am not sure how that works. It has been reported Casey has not had any visitors since her arrest in October except for her defense team. jmo

[Sun]

I'll be popping in and out too, but wanted to know if Sun or Des or anyone knew about the visitor logs-

does the media have to purchase those?

Is that why we haven't been seeing any lately- they just don't think it's worth the money- or maybe it's only been lawyers visiting and not newsworthy anymore?

Have a good morning everyone! :smile:

The cost for the low number of pages would be minimal. Up until Jan 26, 2009, a few of the media would publish a copy. But nothing since that date. In looking through the old ones, I once counted 48 attorney visits in a period covering just 60 days. (can you imagine the billable hours being logged for just attorney visits!!) Someone is charging a hefty babysitting fee!

I liked to see just who was visiting Casey in jail. TLenamon only made one visit, and Baez was also in attendance during that visit. DCF folks visited once after Casey was jailed, and once after Caylee's remains were found on Dec 11, IIRC. DCasey visited August 8th, IIRC, with Baez in attendance for that visit. The clerk from the Baez firm visited, under the title of "investigator" I think. Gabriel Adams always appeared to spend just as much time visiting (or more) than Baez.


Gabriel E Adam
Member in Good Standing Eligible to practice in Florida
Admitted: 09/22/2006
Address: The Baez Law Firm
E-Mail: gabriel@baezlawfirm.com

[desmom]

Casey Anthony hearing set for next week
http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/08/casey-anthony-hearing-set-for.html

The hearing on Friday, August 21, will deal with 4 motions:

*To certify Texas Equusearch's Tim Miller as a material witness for the defense
*To bar bounty hunter Leonard Padilla and his crew from testifying for prosecutors
*To quash a subpoena for Anthony's ex-boyfriend Anthony Lazarro
*To put off the start of Anthony's trial on check fraud charges.

[Postergeist]

Yikes! I must have missed that one. Let me get this straight: Lee lost his faith because his acne medicine didn't work right?? Oh Lee of little faith :) ( that's a play on words :biggrinjester: )

ROTFL! oh cassidy- that's a keeper there!


bbm

see what you miss when you decide to not torture yourself by reading thru the doc dumps? It's in the FBI interview, I'm pretty certain.

it apparently made him very ill and very delicate/fragile- where he wasn't supposed to get any bruises, etc.

It's Cindy, so she had another loooong story to tell LE.

(what this had anything to do about her missing granddaughter and how to find her, I'll never know, because I'm not an Anthony)

[Postergeist]

Postie I am not sure how that works. It has been reported Casey has not had any visitors since her arrest in October except for her defense team. jmo

TY des- wonder why her spiritual counselor/preacher man isn't visiting anymore? hmm

And does the jail have a chapel for them? (local posters chime in!)

since learning of the Anthony's Sunday- now I'm wondering if inmates can have their attorneys attend their jail services with them.

[Sun]

Thanks desmom for the youtube links.... I should have looked there. It's one place that I tend to overlook, until I bring it up, then I tend to stay there forever and listen.

My PC usually likes WFTV videos, but tends to not handle WESH unfortunately. Some of your links to "a year ago today" are WESH, and I am trying to watch them this year, as I missed seeing all of them last year because that site caused major problems/lockups back then with my PC. PC is doing a bit better this year with the WESH site though. I tend to avoid sites that cause lockups...

[cassidy]

[QUOTE=cassidy;13354865]

I honestly think Casey may be happy in jail. She can live in her pretend world and what does go on around her revolves around her in a sense. Add in the relief of no Cindy, no expected responsibility, no competition with Caylee or Cindy for male attention, and no lies to cover up. For the first time in her life, Casey's world really is all about her. She can snack and read all day. Jose is at her beck and call. In her mind she is important and best of all, no Cindy.

But she's locked up totaly away from the male of the species. And she can't pole dance, or even just plain dance for that matter and most of all NO TEXT MSGS!!!! It's a wonder she hasn't gone insane....or...maybe that's the plan?

[Postergeist]

TY Sun! Well then, can Jane Q. Public purchase them?

<hint to really!>

Well this Mr. Adams sure seems to stay out of the media spotlight!

[Sun]

TY des- wonder why her spiritual counselor/preacher man isn't visiting anymore? hmm

And does the jail have a chapel for them? (local posters chime in!)

since learning of the Anthony's Sunday- now I'm wondering if inmates can have their attorneys attend their jail services with them.

Casey is in protective services. She is not allowed to participate in Services held at the jail. She is allowed visits from the jail minister/chaplin, but from what I saw (up to Jan 26th), she rarely ever met with him.

[Myka]

I pray that some of the goodness from the church will sink in. IMO, they need much more help than the church is able to provide. They need professional counseling.

I for one, would not be sitting next to the As in church, though it would be fun to watch God strike them down

[Sun]

[QUOTE=marshmallow;13354891]

But she's locked up totaly away from the male of the species. And she can't pole dance, or even just plain dance for that matter and most of all NO TEXT MSGS!!!! It's a wonder she hasn't gone insane....or...maybe that's the plan?

The jailers know that prolonged protective custody can be very difficult for an inmate. I can imagine them doing their best to ensure that Casey is provided adequate attention ...though they aren't miracle workers. There sure haven't been any leaks coming out the the jail ...amazing!

[Sun]

TY Sun! Well then, can Jane Q. Public purchase them?

<hint to really!>

Well this Mr. Adams sure seems to stay out of the media spotlight!

I have no clue as to how those would be obtained. Perhaps media have sources? I don't know why media has failed to keep on top of her inmate visitor list.

[desmom]

I am reading Nancy Grace transcripts from a year ago.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0808/11/ng.01.html

On August 11, 2008, a caller, Ann from Florida, asked:

My question is this. If they keep digging up bamboo out of their back yard, like I keep hearing they do, why is it, if she`s smart enough -- the mother -- to go over there and get the gas cans out by breaking in, does she have to go next door to borrow a shovel?

Good question. Casey broke into the shed to steal the gas cans, but she did not break into the sheds to get the shovel. Brian Burner told LE Casey borrowed the shovel on June 18 or 19. The gas cans were reported stolen June 24.

[snowflakes]

I'll never understand why Casey had to go to a neighbor to borrow a shovel. With all the other stuff in their backyard, wouldn't you think the Ants would own a shovel?

[Sun]

MARK WILLIAMS, WNDB NEWSTALK 1150: Well, the latest is the breaking news you just talked about just a couple of moments ago, Orange County sheriff`s investigators going to the Fusian nightclub recently and talking to some of the party patrons that were there on the 15th of July, where -- five days after -- or the 15th of June, when -- five days after Casey went -- or Caylee went missing and those naughty pictures were taken. She was bumping and grinding with all the party regulars there that night.

Investigators are leaving no stone unturned, Nancy, when they`re trying to find little Caylee. Of course, this was all confirmed by the club owner. They talked -- the investigators talked to everybody that was there that they could find. That`s the big thing.

The second thing, of course, is the visitation. It was a 9:00 o`clock PM visitation last night at the Orange County jail. Cynthia and George Anthony went to the jail. But what happened is, Casey refused to see her parents. This is not the first time she has done this. Late last week, Lee Anthony was refused to see -- Casey did not want to see her (SIC). And Lee Anthony has another visit tomorrow. The parents have a visit scheduled already for Thursday.

GRACE: Last Tuesday, grandmother, Cindy, Cindy Anthony, actually cancels her visit. And coincidentally, that is the day the formal charges came down. Then 8/8, Casey Anthony refuses to leave her cell to talk to her brother, Lee Anthony, after he comes all the way there. Now 8/10, Casey Anthony cancels visit from her parents. They get all the way to the jail, and she refuses to come out and see them, says she`s holed up, reading law books behind bars.

[desmom]

Remember this..... http://www.wftv.com/news/17166127/detail.html

Cindy said she shared new information with investigators Monday about Casey's phone records that she says shows Casey really did get a call from Caylee on July 15 from a "private number." She's even claiming that Caylee's great grandmother heard from Caylee during the time she's been missing.

"We had a long conversation about that today. Some of the stuff that got leaked out is erroneous and they're looking at some of those things today," Cindy said.

"How did the person who had Caylee get your mother's phone number?" WFTV reporter Kathi Belich asked.

"She was programmed into my daughter's phone," Cindy said.

Cindy insisted Casey received a phone call from Caylee on July 15. Casey's phone records for July 15 pages 58 - 62 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2385297/Casey_Anthony_cell_records_615_to_716 or http://www.docstoc.com/docs/8504119/Casey-Anthony-phone-calls-15-July-2008-am-5pm

Then Cindy tries to reinforce her story by saying Caylee called her great grandmother from Casey's phone. Does this mean the kidnapper stole Casey's phone?

:rolleyes:

jmo

[ish]

Within the last doc dump, there is a photo of the T shirt (pink) with the words Big Trouble Comes in Small Packages on it. George stated the last time he saw Caylee she was wearing a pink T shirt. I've always thought George was lying about remembering so clearly what Caylee and Casey were wearing that day and I still think he is lying. Wouldn't it be ironic if George's lie coincidently turns out to be true, and helps convict Casey?:blink:

[desmom]

Raw Video of Cindy Anthony after Casey refused to see her, George tells the media is going to start driving the billboard around tomorrow.: http://www.wftv.com/video/17157133/index.html

(I think this is from August 10 because Cindy mentioned Caylee's birthday yesterday.)

[Sun]

Hey,
I was reading the Privacy agreement that the Padilla's company signed when they agreed to Bond Casey out of Jail. Baez is trying to preclude them as witnesses for the Prosecution because he says that they were in effect "an extension of the Defense Team". That by signing the privacy agreement, they are working for the defense.

Well, as I was reading the agreement I found the following little sentence at the end:
This agreement does not create a relationship in so far as that the Parties of the Second Part are in no way hired by or represent the Firm or the Defendant

hmmmmmm, so how does Baez's argument float???
:confused:

It doesn't float, IMO. I am going to guess this is one motion that Lyon/Baez is going to lose.

[Sun]

Raw Video of Cindy Anthony after Casey refused to see her, George tells the media is going to start driving the billboard around tomorrow.: http://www.wftv.com/video/17157133/index.html

(I think this is from August 10 because Cindy mentioned Caylee's birthday yesterday.)

"You always want to see your child," ...George was referring to Casey. Called her "his child." umm, 22 yrs old and still thought of as a child. ok. :rolleyes:

[grammaw]

Hey,
I was reading the Privacy agreement that the Padilla's company signed when they agreed to Bond Casey out of Jail. Baez is trying to preclude them as witnesses for the Prosecution because he says that they were in effect "an extension of the Defense Team". That by signing the privacy agreement, they are working for the defense.

Well, as I was reading the agreement I found the following little sentence at the end:
This agreement does not create a relationship in so far as that the Parties of the Second Part are in no way hired by or represent the Firm or the Defendant

hmmmmmm, so how does Baez's argument float???
:confused:
Another example of him grasping for straws,someone hand him a paddle,cause he sure needs it,don't ya think?

[Sun]

DELAY TRIAL: Casey's Reponse
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20090130/detail.html

DELAY TRIAL: Exhibits
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20090214/detail.html

DELAY TRIAL: Privacy Agreement
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20089919/detail.html

DELAY TRIAL: Memorandum
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20090011/detail.html

[summer]

IMO they had to have it in the church because where else would they get the requisite number of conscripts for this latest show under the big top?

Guess they could've gone to Central Casting but extras cost money.

How many people would've gone to their narcissist fest if they'd held it in their back yard? I'd say less than the fingers on the family hand.

They make me sick to my stomach.

[Sun]

BAR TESTIMONY: Motion
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20089834/detail.html

BAR TESTIMONY: Brief
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20089842/detail.html

BAR TESTIMONY: Exhibits
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20089919/detail.html

[jammies]

IMO, the church is about the only place they can go where someone tells them what they want to hear. That they and Casey are God's children and loved. And that they are forgiven for their sins.

Yep, ITA, ALL ABOUT US DAY!


You must REPENT of your sins first. Guess they missed that part.

[101Spots]

DELAY TRIAL: Casey's Reponse
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20090130/detail.html

DELAY TRIAL: Exhibits
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20090214/detail.html

DELAY TRIAL: Privacy Agreement
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20089919/detail.html

DELAY TRIAL: Memorandum
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20090011/detail.html

Geez, Jose, want a little cheese with your whine? May I get you some Brie, Andrea?

[Sun]

Geez, Jose, want a little cheese with your whine? May I get you some Brie, Andrea?

Spots, I am saddened by the thought that the Judge may actually rule the way the defense wants, in the matter to delay the criminal check/fraud charges. I don't like the fact that Casey is maintaining a Not Guilty Plea, yet a money order was delivered to the bank from the Baez law firm, in the exact amount of damages claimed. This just smacks of manipulation by Casey.

[Sun]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/20339410/detail.html


A judge will allow prosecutors to go into the Orange County Jail to take photos of Casey Anthony's tattoo.

Prosecutors said Anthony got the tattoo after her daughter, Caylee Anthony, disappeared.

Judge Stan Strickland made the ruling on Monday, the same day he scheduled a new hearing in the Anthony case.

[101Spots]

Spots, I am saddened by the thought that the Judge may actually rule the way the defense wants, in the matter to delay the criminal check/fraud charges. I don't like the fact that Casey is maintaining a Not Guilty Plea, yet a money order was delivered to the bank from the Baez law firm, in the exact amount of damages claimed. This just smacks of manipulation by Casey.

I can see Strickland granting the delay, too. Not because the money was paid (see letter from BOA - they're not letting this drop) but because ~some~ testimony in this trial could be used in the murder trial.

Reading the memo, though, it just reeks of whine, whine, whine. "We're so busy [teaching classes and traveling back and forth] and every time we add a new member to the team [so we can charge more] it takes them a long time to get up to speed." Blah blah blah.

They have her on tape, FGS. Plead guilty and get on with it.

[summer]

I can see Strickland granting the delay, too. Not because the money was paid (see letter from BOA - they're not letting this drop) but because ~some~ testimony in this trial could be used in the murder trial.

Reading the memo, though, it just reeks of whine, whine, whine. "We're so busy [teaching classes and traveling back and forth] and every time we add a new member to the team [so we can charge more] it takes them a long time to get up to speed." Blah blah blah.

They have her on tape, FGS. Plead guilty and get on with it.

Hi Spots, that makes sense. I think you're right.

[Sun]

Sun, it's so blatant though, so I wonder. I guess it doesn't matter how grossly manipulative it was - maybe the bottom line is that it was paid and the timing is not germane under the law. But it really is so obvious in this case! I'm hoping the Judge has a reason to deny the motion.

One thing I don't understand is didn't they already argue this in front of Rodriguez? He denied them but now Strickland can overrule it seems. So why didn't they go to Strickland in the first place? Is it they have to take it step by step and then appeal to a higher authority, the criminal case judge.

Can't wait for this hearing -- but we've seen in the past there are always a load of motions scheduled and they don't always get to all of them. Should be interesting, though.

Judge Rodrigues is over the Civil Case... ZG defamation.
Judge Strickland is over the Criminal Case, which includes check/fraud charges, and murder charges and lying to LE.

[101Spots]

Sun, it's so blatant though, so I wonder. I guess it doesn't matter how grossly manipulative it was - maybe the bottom line is that it was paid and the timing is not germane under the law. But it really is so obvious in this case! I'm hoping the Judge has a reason to deny the motion.

One thing I don't understand is didn't they already argue this in front of Rodriguez? He denied them but now Strickland can overrule it seems. So why didn't they go to Strickland in the first place? Is it they have to take it step by step and then appeal to a higher authority, the criminal case judge.

Can't wait for this hearing -- but we've seen in the past there are always a load of motions scheduled and they don't always get to all of them. Should be interesting, though.

Nope. Rodriguez is strictly ZFG civil suit. Strickland is only criminal suit. The twain shall never step on each other's toes.

[summer]

Sun & Spots,

Yup, I just realized I had my judges/cases mixed up and deleted the post. Thanks!

[cassidy]

"You always want to see your child," ...George was referring to Casey. Called her "his child." umm, 22 yrs old and still thought of as a child. ok. :rolleyes:

Not a George fan,no way no how, BUT I will cut him slack on this one. I still refer to my kids as "kids" and the oldest is 35. In my mind they will always be my "kids". (Although I DO treat them like adults :) )

[desmom]

DELAY TRIAL: Casey's Reponse
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20090130/detail.html

--snipped--

Thank you! :seeya:

From the above link: page 3

8. Additionally, while the state attempts to use the victim's rights as a reason to set this case, Miss Anthony has already served more time than a person would normally be sentenced for a first-time offense of this nature and the complaining witness in this case, Miss Amy Huizenga, has already been made whole by Bank of America. Thus, there is no urgent need to resolve the alleged forgery case. The bank was also recompensed.

Because Casey has been held without bond for 9 months for murder, the Bank made Amy whole and JB sent a money order to BOA, they want to delay the trial?

[Sun]

Thank you! :seeya:

From the above link: page 3

8. Additionally, while the state attempts to use the victim's rights as a reason to set this case, Miss Anthony has already served more time than a person would normally be sentenced for a first-time offense of this nature and the complaining witness in this case, Miss Amy Huizenga, has already been made whole by Bank of America. Thus, there is no urgent need to resolve the alleged forgery case. The bank was also recompensed.

Because Casey has been held without bond for 9 months for murder, the Bank made Amy whole and JB sent a money order to BOA, they want to delay the trial?

They want to delay the criminal check/fraud charges trial, as they want to delay Casey having these felonies on her record before the murder case goes to trial. I'm not quite sure what the law is on this, but we may find out later this month.

[desmom]

--snipped--

DELAY TRIAL: Memorandum
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20090011/detail.html

On page 3 it states "The check fraud case falls under the purview of this statue because its connection to the capital case makes it an exceptionally complicated case."

Question - how is the check fraud case connected to the capital murder case? :confused:

[MorningGlory]

On page 3 it states "The check fraud case falls under the purview of this statue because its connection to the capital case makes it an exceptionally complicated case."

Question - how is the check fraud case connected to the capital murder case? :confused:

And yet on page 1, it talks about her being arrested for the unrelated charges of murder, etc. So are they related or not Mr. Baez????? Why doesn't he hire a proof reader before he puts out formal documents contradicting himself.....:confused:

[desmom]

And yet on page 1, it talks about her being arrested for the unrelated charges of murder, etc. So are they related or not Mr. Baez????? Why doesn't he hire a proof reader before he puts out formal documents contradicting himself.....:confused:

Thanks. I missed that. :lol:

[summer]

On page 3 it states "The check fraud case falls under the purview of this statue because its connection to the capital case makes it an exceptionally complicated case."

Question - how is the check fraud case connected to the capital murder case? :confused:

Hey Desmom, I'll take at stab at this one. :smile:

It's because she committed the fraud while she was supposedly searching for her missing child and the State will use this as evidence of "state of mind". IMO it definitely crosses over although I think the case should proceed because I WANT her to come into court on murder charges as a convicted felon in the worst way. She should be seen for what she is -- A thief and a liar. Full disclosure so the jury can see what they're dealing with!!!

[sydney]

I don't see the need for the video montage- apparently little Caylee didn't attend the Sunday school there, partake of any children's services- so none would have known this child in life. This church was not her church family.



(hi, postie!)

are the a's baptist? was caylee ever baptized?

and as far as baez keeping kc focused on the trial - omg! let's concentrate on your murder defense instead of remembering your daughter's birthday - does that strike anyone else as being totally WRONG?

don't take one day off to remember caylee - no, your defense is more important.....

[summer]

And yet on page 1, it talks about her being arrested for the unrelated charges of murder, etc. So are they related or not Mr. Baez????? Why doesn't he hire a proof reader before he puts out formal documents contradicting himself.....:confused:

Interesting. As far as I can tell he just screwed up his argument big time. We'll see if Strickland holds him to it or babies him once again.

[desmom]

Hey Desmom, I'll take at stab at this one. :smile:

It's because she committed the fraud while she was supposedly searching for her missing child and the State will use this as evidence of "state of mind". IMO it definitely crosses over although I think the case should proceed because I WANT her to come into court on murder charges as a convicted felon in the worst way. She should be seen for what she is -- A thief and a liar. Full disclosure so the jury can see what they're dealing with!!!

Thanks.

but, but Casey's "state of mind" seemed to be focused on new clothes, a new tat, manicure, July 4th party at Will's, weekends at Fusians, grocery shopping and playing house with Tone. jmo

[Sun]

On page 3 it states "The check fraud case falls under the purview of this statue because its connection to the capital case makes it an exceptionally complicated case."

Question - how is the check fraud case connected to the capital murder case? :confused:

Lyon appears to be making a connection through Amy? Amy is a State's witness for the murder charges. I really have no clue.

[summer]

Thanks.

but, but Casey's "state of mind" seemed to be focused on new clothes, a new tat, manicure, July 4th party at Will's, weekends at Fusians, grocery shopping and playing house with Tone. jmo

Of course! That's why JB wants it off the table. But since he says it's *unrelated* he's screwed the pooch on that argument.

Strickland will probably give him what he wants, though, for appellate reasons.

[desmom]

Of course! That's why JB wants it off the table. But since he says it's *unrelated* he's screwed the pooch on that argument.

Strickland will probably give him what he wants, though, for appellate reasons.

I agree. I think Strickland will grant the defense's motion.

I noticed in reading all the links Sun posted up thread, the defense mentions several times the State filed a waiver on December 5, 2008 not to seek the death penalty and reversed their decision on April 13, 2009. At times the wording gives me the impression that they are saying it is the state's fault they cannot proceed with the forgery charges at this time because the state changed their mind about the death penalty.

Hello!?! On December 5, 2008, the state did not have a body.

jmo

[Katprint]

what the heck?

http://www.wesh.com/news/20338300/detail.html

those who attended said that the girl's grandparents were re-baptized and the congregation watched a video montage of Caylee.

well- did their first baptisms not stick? I just do not understand that at all. Apparently- they don't believe in the once baptized always baptized way of thinking. Were they falsely baptized in the beginning?

:confused:<respectfully snipped>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebaptism Most commonly it has been done when the person leaves one particular Christian sect for another, especially if the person was baptized as an infant then joins a sect that believes in adult baptism or baptism by immersion. ("Believer's baptism.")

Less commonly, for example excommunicates being re-baptized, the person being re-baptized is seeking to again be forgiven of their sins, to be reborn of the spirit and to recommit themselves to their faith. This type of rebaptism is kind of like the "Last Rites" prior to 1972 where the dying person was pardoned of "whatever sins/faults you have committed."

Perhaps the Anthonys, who were not "churchgoing people" before their granddaughter's tragic murder, have joined a different sect than they were previously baptized in. Alternatively, perhaps they have been feeling the weight of their complicity in Casey's cover-up and hoped rebaptism might help.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[sydney]

Perhaps the Anthonys, who were not "churchgoing people" before their granddaughter's tragic murder, have joined a different sect than they were previously baptized in. Alternatively, perhaps they have been feeling the weight of their complicity in Casey's cover-up and hoped rebaptism might help.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

(respectfully snipped). i would believe the first part of this paragraph to apply to the a's. the second, not so much.

you would think that if they were re-baptized in hopes of being forgiven for their complicity in the murder and cover-up, they would change their tune. i honestly don't see that happening. perhaps they are of the ilk that now that they have been re-baptized, they can sin no more and no matter what they do, they will be automatically forgiven..ergo, no need to change their ways..:confused:

[Bala]

Hey Desmom, I'll take at stab at this one. :smile:

It's because she committed the fraud while she was supposedly searching for her missing child and the State will use this as evidence of "state of mind". IMO it definitely crosses over although I think the case should proceed because I WANT her to come into court on murder charges as a convicted felon in the worst way. She should be seen for what she is -- A thief and a liar. Full disclosure so the jury can see what they're dealing with!!!

I see no reason to mention Caylee during the fraud case. But pleading not guilty Casey is saying Amy is lying. Why should Amy have to wait years to clear her name and credit record. The defense is delaying the murder case not the State. The State being able to use a conviction during the murder trial should have no barring on whether the fraud case should go forward or not.

[Bala]

I think Strickland should just say the fraud case must go forward it's Amy's right to a speedy trial and if the defense needs more time to prepare for the murder trial they can have another delay.

[summer]

I see no reason to mention Caylee during the fraud case. But pleading not guilty Casey is saying Amy is lying. Why should Amy have to wait years to clear her name and credit record. The defense is delaying the murder case not the State. The State being able to use a conviction during the murder trial should have no barring on whether the fraud case should go forward or not.

Well yes I agree with you. When I said *state of mind* I meant the SA will use that fraud charge/conviction to show where she was and what she was doing (not) to find her child and what she bought - IN THE CRIMINAL MURDER CASE. Also of course there's the important added feature that the defense can't say their client was "white as the driven snow" before the oops murder.

I don't see any reason to mention Caylee in the fraud charge either.

[AnniePie]

thanks for the links desmom- just getting to read them-

what the heck?

http://www.wesh.com/news/20338300/detail.html

those who attended said that the girl's grandparents were re-baptized and the congregation watched a video montage of Caylee.

well- did their first baptisms not stick? I just do not understand that at all. Apparently- they don't believe in the once baptized always baptized way of thinking. Were they falsely baptized in the beginning?

:confused:

And I do wonder- did little Caylee ever get to celebrate her birthdays on earth in the church?

I specifically recall Cindy telling the FBI 'we're not church people'.

So Caylee gets to attend church in absentia apparently.

did this all just happen to fall on "take your lawyer to church day"?

They got REBAPTIZED?! :scared: OMH you guys, I would be so frightened to be them. They are playing "Churchianity", trying to get on God's good side by an outward show of doing something spiritual. What they need to do is confess every single lie they've ever told and repent.

And the pastor... how could he possibly baptize them. When a person gets baptized as an adult it's a profession of his/her newfound faith and a declaration of a complete change in his life. Did they pull the wool over this pastor's eyes? How could he be this dense? Unless there is a complete change in them that we will immediately notice, this is a complete scam.

Okay, I'll shut up now... but I'm just sitting here like this: :ohmy: !

[summer]

I think Strickland should just say the fraud case must go forward it's Amy's right to a speedy trial and if the defense needs more time to prepare for the murder trial they can have another delay.

Evidentally the defense thinks the only person who has rights is Casey. They don't consider Amy's rights, and they don't consider ZFG's rights in the civil case either.

Screw Amy and Zenaida and Jesse and Amy and Ricardo and and and !!!

[summer]

They got REBAPTIZED?! :scared: OMH you guys, I would be so frightened to be them. They are playing "Churchianity", trying to get on God's good side by an outward show of doing something spiritual. What they need to do is confess every single lie they've ever told and repent.

And the pastor... how could he possibly baptize them. When a person gets baptized as an adult it's a profession of his/her newfound faith and a declaration of a complete change in his life. Did they pull the wool over this pastor's eyes? How could he be this dense?

Okay, I'll shut up now... but I'm just sitting here like this: :ohmy: !

Ya know, Annie, if they got re-baptized in conjunction with going forward from here on in only telling the truth - and if they told nothing but the ugly truth in their recent SA depos I could say OK by me. But by the looks of Cindy's smirk when she left the depo last week I'd say that ain't happening.

You can get baptized every day of the week but that don't mean nothin' if you step out of the water and start lying again.

[Lavinia]

I think Strickland should just say the fraud case must go forward it's Amy's right to a speedy trial and if the defense needs more time to prepare for the murder trial they can have another delay.

I don't think the public (Amy) has a right to a speedy trial, it's only the defendant. My understand is that Amy is not the one with standing in the charges, but it is the state f FL.

I'm not understanding why everyone wants the fraud charges done now? Casey is as locked up as she's going to be. Having the fraud case heard before the murder case just seems dangerous to me. Way too many things can creep up for reversal at appeal for me.
It's not uncommon for people not to be charged for something, EVER, if it doesn't "pay" the state somehow. If the defendant will be locked up under a different, SEVERE charge, then why waste the $$$ to get her on a simple fraud charge especially when it may be detrimental to the big charge? So what's the deal, pickles?

ETA: How did the tonguewag get on top of my post? :confused: I must have hit the wrong button. Sorry, I can't edit...

[Bala]

In Florida Amy has as much right to a speedy trial as the defendant. If Strickland grants the delay can Amy's lawyer appeal it?

[BlueTurtle]

I don't think the public (Amy) has a right to a speedy trial, it's only the defendant. My understand is that Amy is not the one with standing in the charges, but it is the state f FL.



I think there was a law passed recently in Florida that the victim can ask for a speedy trial. That is why Judge Strickland asked for confirmation from Amy as to her wishes.

[Lapis]

In Florida Amy has as much right to a speedy trial as the defendant. If Strickland grants the delay can Amy's lawyer appeal it?

Appeals based upon the right to speedy trial are usually not heard until the conclusion of the case. An appeal only exacerbates the delay. See the case of Jeffrey McDonald. JMO

[MorningGlory]

I don't think the public (Amy) has a right to a speedy trial, it's only the defendant. My understand is that Amy is not the one with standing in the charges, but it is the state f FL.

I'm not understanding why everyone wants the fraud charges done now? Casey is as locked up as she's going to be. Having the fraud case heard before the murder case just seems dangerous to me. Way too many things can creep up for reversal at appeal for me.
It's not uncommon for people not to be charged for something, EVER, if it doesn't "pay" the state somehow. If the defendant will be locked up under a different, SEVERE charge, then why waste the $$$ to get her on a simple fraud charge especially when it may be detrimental to the big charge? So what's the deal, pickles?

ETA: How did the tonguewag get on top of my post? :confused: I must have hit the wrong button. Sorry, I can't edit...

ITA with you as far as Casey being locked up now and hopefully forever. However, seems it would be a boost for the state if she were a convicted felon (which she would be if convicted on the check/forgery charges) when she came before the court for her murder trial. The defense can't do the whole "she's been a loving mother and never had any trouble with the law until her daughter was tragically kidnapped" blah, blah, blah. IMO

[Katprint]

I don't think the public (Amy) has a right to a speedy trial, it's only the defendant. My understand is that Amy is not the one with standing in the charges, but it is the state f FL.

I'm not understanding why everyone wants the fraud charges done now? Casey is as locked up as she's going to be. Having the fraud case heard before the murder case just seems dangerous to me. Way too many things can creep up for reversal at appeal for me.
It's not uncommon for people not to be charged for something, EVER, if it doesn't "pay" the state somehow. If the defendant will be locked up under a different, SEVERE charge, then why waste the $$$ to get her on a simple fraud charge especially when it may be detrimental to the big charge? So what's the deal, pickles?
One of the few valid reasons I can think of for getting the fraud charges done, is because the victim (Amy) might become unavailable to testify at trial. Sometimes people get on planes that crash, or get in freeway accidents, or drown, or die in house fires, or otherwise suffer critical injuries that kill them, leave them comatose, or inflict serious brain damage so they can't remember/speak/testify. More commonly, sometimes people move from one state to another state which puts them beyond the subpoena powers of the state that they left (which is the issue that the defense is currently having with Texas-based Equusearch.) If Amy gets a job in another state, or another country, and moves away then she might not be willing to go through the hassle of returning to testify against Casey at the check fraud trial and the State of Florida would be unable to force her to do so.

Casey has shown that she is completely willing to lie her butt off if she believes she will profit from doing so. If Amy - for whatever reason - doesn't testify against Casey at the fraud trial, Casey might have a chance to go with her prior story - relayed through Cindy - that Casey had Amy's permission to write those checks and take that money. The state would prefer to get the fraud case done before something happens to its key witness. Casey, of course, would prefer to postpone the fraud case until after the criminal trial and all the appeals and hopefully forever.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[sydney]

Appeals based upon the right to speedy trial are usually not heard until the conclusion of the case. An appeal only exacerbates the delay. See the case of Jeffrey McDonald. JMO

hi, lapis! don't remind me.......it took what? 10 years to finally convict him?

[Lavinia]

One of the few valid reasons I can think of for getting the fraud charges done, is because the victim (Amy) might become unavailable to testify at trial. Sometimes people get on planes that crash, or get in freeway accidents, or drown, or die in house fires, or otherwise suffer critical injuries that kill them, leave them comatose, or inflict serious brain damage so they can't remember/speak/testify. More commonly, sometimes people move from one state to another state which puts them beyond the subpoena powers of the state that they left (which is the issue that the defense is currently having with Texas-based Equusearch.) If Amy gets a job in another state, or another country, and moves away then she might not be willing to go through the hassle of returning to testify against Casey at the check fraud trial and the State of Florida would be unable to force her to do so.

Casey has shown that she is completely willing to lie her butt off if she believes she will profit from doing so. If Amy - for whatever reason - doesn't testify against Casey at the fraud trial, Casey might have a chance to go with her prior story - relayed through Cindy - that Casey had Amy's permission to write those checks and take that money. The state would prefer to get the fraud case done before something happens to its key witness. Casey, of course, would prefer to postpone the fraud case until after the criminal trial and all the appeals and hopefully forever.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions


Thanks Katprint, Bala, Morning Glory and BlueTurtle. (Wow, I had no idea a state would let the victim have a speedy trial! That's great! Must be some good victim advocates there?)

[Bala]

I don't think Baez will let it go to trial anyways. I think it's his intention to plead it out. At the end of the day Amy should have the right to clear her name. I'm sure the money is far from the only reason Amy is pursuing this. Casey needs to be held accountable for her actions.

[Lapis]

I don't think Baez will let it go to trial anyways. I think it's his intention to plead it out. At the end of the day Amy should have the right to clear her name. I'm sure the money is far from the only reason Amy is pursuing this. Casey needs to be held accountable for her actions.

Just what is Amy clearing up? She is the victim of a crime! JMO

[Sun]

I think there was a law passed recently in Florida that the victim can ask for a speedy trial. That is why Judge Strickland asked for confirmation from Amy as to her wishes.

I keep watching the Clerk of Courts records, and haven't yet seem any affidavite yet filed on Amy's behalf in response to the Judge's request. Maybe I'm just assuming that something will show up there.

[Bala]

Casey is currently being held without bail on the murder charges. If the fraud case goes forward and she's convicted would the judge use this time as time served or would she be taken to prison to serve her time.

[Roux]

They got REBAPTIZED?! :scared: OMH you guys, I would be so frightened to be them. They are playing "Churchianity", trying to get on God's good side by an outward show of doing something spiritual. What they need to do is confess every single lie they've ever told and repent.

And the pastor... how could he possibly baptize them. When a person gets baptized as an adult it's a profession of his/her newfound faith and a declaration of a complete change in his life. Did they pull the wool over this pastor's eyes? How could he be this dense? Unless there is a complete change in them that we will immediately notice, this is a complete scam.

Okay, I'll shut up now... but I'm just sitting here like this: :ohmy: !

:ohmy: was my reaction too. Just couldn't believe this and, in IMO, it is blasphemy unless they have true repententance. It will be obvious in short order.

[Bala]

Do you really think they will offer her a plea? They have her on TAPE afterall.... :thumbup:

I'm sorry I meant that she would plead guilty.

[Lapis]

Casey is currently being held without bail on the murder charges. If the fraud case goes forward and she convict would the judge use this time as time served or would she be taken to prison to serve her time.

If she is convicted she would be sentenced as a first time offender. The pending charges relative to the murder are not to be considered in her sentencing. She could be sentenced to jail time or to probation. If she receives jail time, she will get credit for time served and it would reduce if not completely wipe out the sentence.

IMO it is unlikely that they will move her from the county system as they already have the security in place and she is still facing charges in Orange county. Additionally, Judge Strickland has ordered she appear for all hearings, this becomes more difficult if she is transferred. Keeping her in close proximity to her attorneys etals in preparation of her death penalty case is also a consideration.

JMO

[Bala]

Thanks Lapis.

[seeing_eye]

I for one, would not be sitting next to the As in church, though it would be fun to watch God strike them down

My bolding.

Don't bank on that happening. Paul must have been hated by the early church for his vicious persecution of them. Then the next thing they knew, instead of being struck down by God, he was the most influential person among them. Christianity might not even exist today if it hadn't been for Paul.

Disclaimer: I'm certainly NOT suggesting anything like that is going to happen to any of the Anthonys!! BTW, if they've been baptized twice, does that mean they're twice saved? And if they are, how exactly does that work?

[Neffy]

(respectfully snipped). i would believe the first part of this paragraph to apply to the a's. the second, not so much.

you would think that if they were re-baptized in hopes of being forgiven for their complicity in the murder and cover-up, they would change their tune. i honestly don't see that happening. perhaps they are of the ilk that now that they have been re-baptized, they can sin no more and no matter what they do, they will be automatically forgiven..ergo, no need to change their ways..:confused:

Yep, just like the guy who goes to chuch every Sunday. He likes to gossip, pass judgement on everything and everyone and will tell you what your are doing wrong. Yep he's a church goer allright. Every Sunday you'll see him sleeping in the last pew. Some think being in church gives you a free pass.

[Bala]

Don't you first have to admit your sins then atone for them before your forgiven. I can't see Cindy ever admitting she sinned and if she admitted that she lied and obstructed justice wouldn't she then be expected to make it right not keep on doing it.

[101Spots]

They got REBAPTIZED?! :scared: OMH you guys, I would be so frightened to be them. They are playing "Churchianity", trying to get on God's good side by an outward show of doing something spiritual. What they need to do is confess every single lie they've ever told and repent.

And the pastor... how could he possibly baptize them. When a person gets baptized as an adult it's a profession of his/her newfound faith and a declaration of a complete change in his life. Did they pull the wool over this pastor's eyes? How could he be this dense? Unless there is a complete change in them that we will immediately notice, this is a complete scam.

Okay, I'll shut up now... but I'm just sitting here like this: :ohmy: !

<cynicism on>

They did it because it will look good on their resumes.

<cynicism off>

[Lavinia]

<cynicism on>

They did it because it will look good on their resumes.

<cynicism off>

:no: That assumes they would look for jobs. :no:

I think people might be more willing to *donate* to a missing children's fraudation though, if the people running it are thought to be "Godly".

[cassidy]

:no: That assumes they would look for jobs. :no:

I think people might be more willing to *donate* to a missing children's fraudation though, if the people running it are thought to be "Godly".

So did the Milsteads get re-baptized with them? :biggrinjester:

[Lavinia]

So did the Milsteads get re-baptized with them? :biggrinjester:

I think they may be immune. :laugh:

(Cas, wasn't it you earlier who said, "Oh Lee of little faith."? HI-larious!)

[5boxersmom]

They got REBAPTIZED?! :scared: OMH you guys, I would be so frightened to be them. They are playing "Churchianity", trying to get on God's good side by an outward show of doing something spiritual. What they need to do is confess every single lie they've ever told and repent.

And the pastor... how could he possibly baptize them. When a person gets baptized as an adult it's a profession of his/her newfound faith and a declaration of a complete change in his life. Did they pull the wool over this pastor's eyes? How could he be this dense? Unless there is a complete change in them that we will immediately notice, this is a complete scam.

Okay, I'll shut up now... but I'm just sitting here like this: :ohmy: !


Well, now the day will not be just Caylee's birthday. It will be the day they were re-baptized. Whatever that is. Once again it was about them. Not Caylee. Makes me so :cursing:

jmo

[Deannalynn]

They got REBAPTIZED?! :scared: OMH you guys, I would be so frightened to be them. They are playing "Churchianity", trying to get on God's good side by an outward show of doing something spiritual. What they need to do is confess every single lie they've ever told and repent.

And the pastor... how could he possibly baptize them. When a person gets baptized as an adult it's a profession of his/her newfound faith and a declaration of a complete change in his life. Did they pull the wool over this pastor's eyes? How could he be this dense? Unless there is a complete change in them that we will immediately notice, this is a complete scam.

Okay, I'll shut up now... but I'm just sitting here like this: :ohmy: !

They were just getting the mud off themselves...They figured if they were RE-baptized all their sins would be cleansed and washed away. Murder is against one of the ten commandments. The rest of their garbage are just lie after lie after lie.
The pastor probably didn't know they had already been baptized once.
That's serious in a spiritual way. They can't do that nor can they be forgiven because they are mocking their God...:scared:
That's just my opinion...

[Deannalynn]

Well, now the day will not be just Caylee's birthday. It will be the day they were re-baptized. Whatever that is. Once again it was about them. Not Caylee. Makes me so.

jmo

:ohmy: No they didn't!:ohmy: On Caylee's BIRTHDAY?:confused:
somes of a beaches....
Just my opinion...

[cassidy]

I think they may be immune. :laugh:

(Cas, wasn't it you earlier who said, "Oh Lee of little faith."? HI-larious!)

Yeah it was. I just couldn't stop myself :) Well dang, if his acne medicine faiing made him lose his faith????????? :shrug: Can't have much larger disapointments in life, unless of course your sister happens to murder your niece and hides it from your family and the world for 31 days while she parties.

JMO

[101Spots]

:no: That assumes they would look for jobs.

I think people might be more willing to *donate* to a missing children's fraudation though, if the people running it are thought to be "Godly".

:no: yourself, lady. Those who run [charitable, honest] foundations also show off their resumes as "proof" they can run an organization.

:tonguewag:

[5boxersmom]

:ohmy: No they didn't!:ohmy: On Caylee's BIRTHDAY?:confused:
somes of a beaches....
Just my opinion...

Yep they sure did.


http://www.wesh.com/news/20338300/detail.html

[101Spots]

So did the Milsteads get re-baptized with them? :biggrinjester:

Does the spray from the boat count?

[cassidy]

Does the spray from the boat count?

NO :w00t:

[Lavinia]

:no: yourself, lady. Those who run [charitable, honest] foundations also show off their resumes as "proof" they can run an organization.

:tonguewag:

Okay, you got me. Tonguewag your own self. (I haven't gotten that check you were to send me yet, though. :confused:)

[Lavinia]

Yeah it was. I just couldn't stop myself :) Well dang, if his acne medicine faiing made him lose his faith????????? :shrug: Can't have much larger disapointments in life, unless of course your sister happens to murder your niece and hides it from your family and the world for 31 days while she parties.

JMO

Great line! :thumbsup:

[Lavinia]

NO :w00t:

How about prissing (sic) in the wind? :lol:

[cassidy]

How about prissing (sic) in the wind? :lol:



LOL..that'd probably count for them :)

[Pruddennce]

I have a question:

In one of the links it is mentioned there is a motion by the defense to prevent L Padilla et al from testifying for the state.

What is the likelihood that would granted, and, based on what grounds are they persuing this?


IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

[cassidy]

I have a question:

In one of the links it is mentioned there is a motion by the defense to prevent L Padilla et al from testifying for the state.

What is the likelihood that would granted, and, based on what grounds are they persuing this?


IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

I don't know if it would be granted, but I believe they are pursuing it on grounds similiar to the attorney/client privelege. I think that's what Baez is claiming.

[msgatorslayer]

Evening, all.

I know we've discussed the state possibly bringing Casey's car to the courthouse for jurors to see and smell for themselves. I was just reading my local news and there is mention of another high profile case {Denise Amber Lee} where this is going to be done.

'King's car will also be allowed as evidence. It'll be brought to the courthouse for jurors to examine themselves'

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2009/8/10/506709.html?title=Judge+allows+911+call+in+King+mu rder+trial+

[101Spots]

Okay, you got me. Tonguewag your own self. (I haven't gotten that check you were to send me yet, though. :confused:)

:rolleyes:

<yawn>

[101Spots]

Way to clear a room, Spots.

:crying:

<trudging off to play with the dog, who talks to me>

[Julie Dupree]

Evening, all.

I know we've discussed the state possibly bringing Casey's car to the courthouse for jurors to see and smell for themselves. I was just reading my local news and there is mention of another high profile case {Denise Amber Lee} where this is going to be done.

'King's car will also be allowed as evidence. It'll be brought to the courthouse for jurors to examine themselves'

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2009/8/10/506709.html?title=Judge+allows+911+call+in+King+mu rder+trial+

I think it would be next to impossible to get the car into the court house here....but maybe there would be an entrance that is not opened to the public that would be suitable....but I can see having the jury to go to street level to view it..which is not a bad idea. JMO

[Edith2]

I think it would be next to impossible to get the car into the court house here....but maybe there would be an entrance that is not opened to the public that would be suitable....but I can see having the jury to go to street level to view it..which is not a bad idea. JMO

In the Scott Peterson case they brought the boat to the parking garage at the court house.

[desmom]

I have a question:

In one of the links it is mentioned there is a motion by the defense to prevent L Padilla et al from testifying for the state.

What is the likelihood that would granted, and, based on what grounds are they persuing this?


IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20089834/detail.html on page 3 the motion talks about the privacy agreement signed by Leonard Padilla, Tony Padilla, Tracy McLaughlin and Robert Dick. The motion also says the entered into an oral agreement. I think everyone has heard Judge Judy's opinion of oral agreements. :lol:

Back to the privacy agreement: http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20089919/detail.html

1. not allowed to make any recordings - There is no mention of any recordings in the motion. IMO, if there were, JB and Team would be all over it.

2. not allowed to question or interrogate Casey - The motion states there numerous conversations and Casey made many statements. No mention of Casey being interrogated or questioned.

Scroll down to page 4 "This agreement does not create a relationship in so for as that the Parties of the Second Part are in no way hired by or represent the Firm or the Defendant."

I am no legal eagle, but IMO, I do not think it will fly.

[Katprint]

I have a question:

In one of the links it is mentioned there is a motion by the defense to prevent L Padilla et al from testifying for the state.

What is the likelihood that would granted, and, based on what grounds are they pursuing this?<respectfully snipped>

In a nutshell, they are claiming that L Padilla and his people who agreed to provide security guard-type services for the Anthonys, were agents of the defense attorney and that they should be precluded from disclosing any information. There is a written Privacy Agreement which does not say this, but Baez is claiming there was an oral agreement as well which contradicts the terms of the written Privacy Agreement.

Normally, the attorney-client confidentiality privilege extends to employees of the attorney (clerical and secretarial staff, law clerks, janitors, etc.) as well as agents of the attorney (investigators, expert consultants, etc.) For example, the janitor cannot tape together shredded documents and disclose them to anyone, nor can a disgruntled legal secretary quit the firm and sell valuable case secrets to the other side.

The Privacy Agreement (found here http://wdbo.com/common/pdf/orlando/AnthonyMotion-8-10-2.pdf as Exhibit A) clearly defines the The Baez Law Firm ("The Firm;" "Party of The First Part") as being completely separate from the Padilla people as ("Parties of the Second Part.") The PA imposes a variety of obligations, none of which include any recognition that the Padilla people are agents acting on behalf of The Firm and are subject to the same attorney-client confidentiality requirements as The Firm. To the contrary, the obligations reflect a potentially adversarial relationship, for example the promise not to interfere with the law firm's attorney-client relationship with the Anthonys including not "introducing outside counsel or putting the Defendant in contact with any lawyer outside the firm." The last page clarifies that "This agreement does not create a relationship in so for as that the Parties of the Second Part are in no way hired by or represent the Firm or the Defendant."

Decades ago, during the summer before law school started I worked as a temporary legal secretary for various temp agencies. I remember signing confidentiality agreements that reminded me of my obligation to protect client confidentiality and not to take any actions adverse to the clients even after my employment assignment terminated. Also, as an in-house insurance defense attorney, I have signed agreements which included language along the lines that I must remember that even though my salary was being paid by the insurance company, my primary loyalty must remain to my client whom I was representing. Even though I currently perform contract assignments for other attorneys from time to time, which assignments often include direct contact with their clients, I have never been asked to sign anything like the "Privacy Agreement." I have never even seen anything like it before.

My non-judicial conclusion is that the Privacy Agreement is insufficient to support the attorney-client confidentiality privilege covering the Padilla people as agents of The Firm. Any applicable privilege will need to be based on an oral agreement, and the conclusion of the motion seems to indirectly admit that.

The motion concludes, "Because Leonard and Tony Padilla, Tracy McLaughlin, and Robert Dick orally agreed to act as security for Miss Anthony, and therefore, as agents of her defense counsel, any statements by Miss Anthony ... are covered by the attorney-client privilege. As such, the Court should bar the above-named individuals from making statements to the State and/or testifying about statements made by Miss Anthony."

First, bail bondsmen are virtually NEVER agents of the defense attorney. They often have to act against the interests of the defendant, particularly if they are going into court to have the bond revoked. For example, the bondsman (or his agents) may testify that "the Principal [made a] material false statement in the [bond] application]" or violated some other bond condition; the defense attorney probably could not ethically disclose such a false statement or bond condition violation if he became aware of it. Second, I am unconvinced that "security" provided to a defendant's residence - particularly by unpaid volunteers - is something done by "agents" of defense counsel. It is not necessary for the proper functioning of legal representation, unlike clerical/secretarial staff, professional associates/law clerks, janitorial staff, investigators, expert witnesses, etc.

My final thought is that this is not a situation where a person is fighting against being compelled to testify, claiming the protection of the attorney-client privilege as an agent of the defense attorney. This is a situation where the defense attorney is fighting to take away First Amendment Freedom of Speech rights from people who deny ever being agents of the defense attorney. This shield vs. sword distinction may make a difference.

Katprint
Who does not know how the judge will rule
Always only my own opinions

[Dells]

Well, now the day will not be just Caylee's birthday. It will be the day they were re-baptized. Whatever that is. Once again it was about them. Not Caylee. Makes me so :cursing:

jmo

I so agree w/your post. The Anthony's can never just leave well enough alone and let the day be about Caylee's and her b-day. If they wanted to get re-baptized there were plenty of other days they could have done it. As always, it is all about them and getting publicity for themselves. I personally think that this was a publicity stunt created by them to get some positive press to ultimately help their foundation.:sneaky:

[crimeq]

I so agree w/your post. The Anthony's can never just leave well enough alone and let the day be about Caylee's and her b-day. If they wanted to get re-baptized there were plenty of other days they could have done it. As always, it is all about them and getting publicity for themselves. I personally think that this was a publicity stunt created by them to get some positive press to ultimately help their foundation.:sneaky:

I agree with you. Everything has to be about them. I'm sure they strategized about how they could take center stage on Caylee's birthday. They make me ill.

[Julie Dupree]

I so agree w/your post. The Anthony's can never just leave well enough alone and let the day be about Caylee's and her b-day. If they wanted to get re-baptized there were plenty of other days they could have done it. As always, it is all about them and getting publicity for themselves. I personally think that this was a publicity stunt created by them to get some positive press to ultimately help their foundation.:sneaky:

I dont see the news video they showed this morning on WESH...but it showed Cindy holding a handful of balloons, and others in the background did also..she counted to three and the balloons floated upwards. Then she looked to be saying a prayer...meaning her head was bowed. I was speechless watching this. The story also mentioned that the couple had been re baptised. I find this all so "unchristian" I am appalled the church went along with it. But maybe my definition of what a good christian is different than theirs.

[Pruddennce]

<respectfully snipped>

In a nutshell, they are claiming that L Padilla and his people who agreed to provide security guard-type services for the Anthonys, were agents of the defense attorney and that they should be precluded from disclosing any information. There is a written Privacy Agreement which does not say this, but Baez is claiming there was an oral agreement as well which contradicts the terms of the written Privacy Agreement.

Normally, the attorney-client confidentiality privilege extends to employees of the attorney (clerical and secretarial staff, law clerks, janitors, etc.) as well as agents of the attorney (investigators, expert consultants, etc.) For example, the janitor cannot tape together shredded documents and disclose them to anyone, nor can a disgruntled legal secretary quit the firm and sell valuable case secrets to the other side.

The Privacy Agreement (found here http://wdbo.com/common/pdf/orlando/AnthonyMotion-8-10-2.pdf as Exhibit A) clearly defines the The Baez Law Firm ("The Firm;" "Party of The First Part") as being completely separate from the Padilla people as ("Parties of the Second Part.") The PA imposes a variety of obligations, none of which include any recognition that the Padilla people are agents acting on behalf of The Firm and are subject to the same attorney-client confidentiality requirements as The Firm. To the contrary, the obligations reflect a potentially adversarial relationship, for example the promise not to interfere with the law firm's attorney-client relationship with the Anthonys including not "introducing outside counsel or putting the Defendant in contact with any lawyer outside the firm." The last page clarifies that "This agreement does not create a relationship in so for as that the Parties of the Second Part are in no way hired by or represent the Firm or the Defendant."

Decades ago, during the summer before law school started I worked as a temporary legal secretary for various temp agencies. I remember signing confidentiality agreements that reminded me of my obligation to protect client confidentiality and not to take any actions adverse to the clients even after my employment assignment terminated. Also, as an in-house insurance defense attorney, I have signed agreements which included language along the lines that I must remember that even though my salary was being paid by the insurance company, my primary loyalty must remain to my client whom I was representing. Even though I currently perform contract assignments for other attorneys from time to time, which assignments often include direct contact with their clients, I have never been asked to sign anything like the "Privacy Agreement." I have never even seen anything like it before.

My non-judicial conclusion is that the Privacy Agreement is insufficient to support the attorney-client confidentiality privilege covering the Padilla people as agents of The Firm. Any applicable privilege will need to be based on an oral agreement, and the conclusion of the motion seems to indirectly admit that.

The motion concludes, "Because Leonard and Tony Padilla, Tracy McLaughlin, and Robert Dick orally agreed to act as security for Miss Anthony, and therefore, as agents of her defense counsel, any statements by Miss Anthony ... are covered by the attorney-client privilege. As such, the Court should bar the above-named individuals from making statements to the State and/or testifying about statements made by Miss Anthony."

First, bail bondsmen are virtually NEVER agents of the defense attorney. They often have to act against the interests of the defendant, particularly if they are going into court to have the bond revoked. For example, the bondsman (or his agents) may testify that "the Principal [made a] material false statement in the [bond] application]" or violated some other bond condition; the defense attorney probably could not ethically disclose such a false statement or bond condition violation if he became aware of it. Second, I am unconvinced that "security" provided to a defendant's residence - particularly by unpaid volunteers - is something done by "agents" of defense counsel. It is not necessary for the proper functioning of legal representation, unlike clerical/secretarial staff, professional associates/law clerks, janitorial staff, investigators, expert witnesses, etc.

My final thought is that this is not a situation where a person is fighting against being compelled to testify, claiming the protection of the attorney-client privilege as an agent of the defense attorney. This is a situation where the defense attorney is fighting to take away First Amendment Freedom of Speech rights from people who deny ever being agents of the defense attorney. This shield vs. sword distinction may make a difference.

Katprint
Who does not know how the judge will rule
Always only my own opinions

Thank you for your comprehensive post. It appears he is putting forth a motion that is somewhat groundless, or on a very teeny weeny thread....

I initially thought he (JB) was referring to a written agreement that prohibited Lenny and company from DISCLOSING any personal conversations they had with the housebound Casey....coupled with being a 'hired employee' of JB....it appears there is nothing tangible linking LP et al as 'employees' of JB....right?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[crimeq]

I dont see the news video they showed this morning on WESH...but it showed Cindy holding a handful of balloons, and others in the background did also..she counted to three and the balloons floated upwards. Then she looked to be saying a prayer...meaning her head was bowed. I was speechless watching this. The story also mentioned that the couple had been re baptised. I find this all so "unchristian" I am appalled the church went along with it. But maybe my definition of what a good christian is different than theirs.

was her hair wet on TV? Baptists baptize by total immersion, don't they?

[Julie Dupree]

<respectfully snipped>

In a nutshell, they are claiming that L Padilla and his people who agreed to provide security guard-type services for the Anthonys, were agents of the defense attorney and that they should be precluded from disclosing any information. There is a written Privacy Agreement which does not say this, but Baez is claiming there was an oral agreement as well which contradicts the terms of the written Privacy Agreement.

Normally, the attorney-client confidentiality privilege extends to employees of the attorney (clerical and secretarial staff, law clerks, janitors, etc.) as well as agents of the attorney (investigators, expert consultants, etc.) For example, the janitor cannot tape together shredded documents and disclose them to anyone, nor can a disgruntled legal secretary quit the firm and sell valuable case secrets to the other side.

The Privacy Agreement (found here http://wdbo.com/common/pdf/orlando/AnthonyMotion-8-10-2.pdf as Exhibit A) clearly defines the The Baez Law Firm ("The Firm;" "Party of The First Part") as being completely separate from the Padilla people as ("Parties of the Second Part.") The PA imposes a variety of obligations, none of which include any recognition that the Padilla people are agents acting on behalf of The Firm and are subject to the same attorney-client confidentiality requirements as The Firm. To the contrary, the obligations reflect a potentially adversarial relationship, for example the promise not to interfere with the law firm's attorney-client relationship with the Anthonys including not "introducing outside counsel or putting the Defendant in contact with any lawyer outside the firm." The last page clarifies that "This agreement does not create a relationship in so for as that the Parties of the Second Part are in no way hired by or represent the Firm or the Defendant."

Decades ago, during the summer before law school started I worked as a temporary legal secretary for various temp agencies. I remember signing confidentiality agreements that reminded me of my obligation to protect client confidentiality and not to take any actions adverse to the clients even after my employment assignment terminated. Also, as an in-house insurance defense attorney, I have signed agreements which included language along the lines that I must remember that even though my salary was being paid by the insurance company, my primary loyalty must remain to my client whom I was representing. Even though I currently perform contract assignments for other attorneys from time to time, which assignments often include direct contact with their clients, I have never been asked to sign anything like the "Privacy Agreement." I have never even seen anything like it before.

My non-judicial conclusion is that the Privacy Agreement is insufficient to support the attorney-client confidentiality privilege covering the Padilla people as agents of The Firm. Any applicable privilege will need to be based on an oral agreement, and the conclusion of the motion seems to indirectly admit that.

The motion concludes, "Because Leonard and Tony Padilla, Tracy McLaughlin, and Robert Dick orally agreed to act as security for Miss Anthony, and therefore, as agents of her defense counsel, any statements by Miss Anthony ... are covered by the attorney-client privilege. As such, the Court should bar the above-named individuals from making statements to the State and/or testifying about statements made by Miss Anthony."

First, bail bondsmen are virtually NEVER agents of the defense attorney. They often have to act against the interests of the defendant, particularly if they are going into court to have the bond revoked. For example, the bondsman (or his agents) may testify that "the Principal [made a] material false statement in the [bond] application]" or violated some other bond condition; the defense attorney probably could not ethically disclose such a false statement or bond condition violation if he became aware of it. Second, I am unconvinced that "security" provided to a defendant's residence - particularly by unpaid volunteers - is something done by "agents" of defense counsel. It is not necessary for the proper functioning of legal representation, unlike clerical/secretarial staff, professional associates/law clerks, janitorial staff, investigators, expert witnesses, etc.

My final thought is that this is not a situation where a person is fighting against being compelled to testify, claiming the protection of the attorney-client privilege as an agent of the defense attorney. This is a situation where the defense attorney is fighting to take away First Amendment Freedom of Speech rights from people who deny ever being agents of the defense attorney. This shield vs. sword distinction may make a difference.

Katprint
Who does not know how the judge will rule
Always only my own opinions

LP said he did not consider himself, or his staff, to be employees of JB. He also stated the oral agreement they had was nothing to do with being employees of JB or considering their relationship with Casey to have any attorney/client privileges.

[Pruddennce]

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20089834/detail.html on page 3 the motion talks about the privacy agreement signed by Leonard Padilla, Tony Padilla, Tracy McLaughlin and Robert Dick. The motion also says the entered into an oral agreement. I think everyone has heard Judge Judy's opinion of oral agreements. :lol:

Back to the privacy agreement: http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20089919/detail.html

1. not allowed to make any recordings - There is no mention of any recordings in the motion. IMO, if there were, JB and Team would be all over it.

2. not allowed to question or interrogate Casey - The motion states there numerous conversations and Casey made many statements. No mention of Casey being interrogated or questioned.

Scroll down to page 4 "This agreement does not create a relationship in so for as that the Parties of the Second Part are in no way hired by or represent the Firm or the Defendant."

I am no legal eagle, but IMO, I do not think it will fly.

thank you desmom. I had forgotten about this 'issue'.

:D

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[Julie Dupree]

was her hair wet on TV? Baptists baptize by total immersion, don't they?

Nope....sure didnt look like it was to me

[Julie Dupree]

Is LP on the state's witness list? I can not remember for sure, but seems I remember he was not listed. I may be wrong, and probably am.

[Julie Dupree]

Gotta run....have a good evening.

[Lavinia]

"When your baptisms are controversial, you really have an image problem." :laugh:

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/08/casey-anthony-even-their-baptisms-become-controversial.html

[AnniePie]

was her hair wet on TV? Baptists baptize by total immersion, don't they?

There's a video of them getting baptized? Does anyone have a link?

(Why I want to watch it, I don't know. :scared: I must have masochistic tendencies. I know I will want to scratch my eyes out later.)

[ttcRider]

Honestly.... Nothing will ever shock me again after all this. :huh:
Its just the weirdest family ever. All of them should be a case study!

[Lavinia]

O/T but Dateline NBC will be about the Billing's murder at 10 E, 9 Central tonight.

[crimeq]

Nope....sure didnt look like it was to me

I wonder how she managed that, getting dunked and keeping her hair dry (and makeup on too, presumably?).

[crimeq]

There's a video of them getting baptized? Does anyone have a link?

(Why I want to watch it, I don't know. :scared: I must have masochistic tendencies. I know I will want to scratch my eyes out later.)

I'd like to see that too, but I don't think it's a video of the baptism. Apparently Cindy was on TV releasing balloons after the service.

[Dells]

I wonder how she managed that, getting dunked and keeping her hair dry (and makeup on too, presumably?).

I have to wonder what the members of The Anthony's congregation think of The Anthony's publicity stunt to get re-baptized on what would have been Caylee's 4th birthday? :shrug: The more I think about it, I just think it was in extremely poor taste. Even if The Anthony's wanted to do this, it doesn't mean that the church or the minister had to agree to it. I wonder if it was just a spectacle where The Anthony's were re-baptized, or were other members of the church allowed to be re-baptized as well?

Why couldn't The Anthony's just have had the balloon launch for Caylee and left it at that?

[AnniePie]

I have to wonder what the members of The Anthony's congregation think of The Anthony's publicity stunt to get re-baptized on what would have been Caylee's 4th birthday? :shrug: The more I think about it, I just think it was in extremely poor taste. Even if The Anthony's wanted to do this, it doesn't mean that the church or the minister had to agree to it. I wonder if it was just a spectacle where The Anthony's were re-baptized, or were other members of the church allowed to be re-baptized as well?

Why couldn't The Anthony's just have had the balloon launch for Caylee and left it at that?

I think if the pastor of that church baptized them without counselling them, he is opening himself up to spiritual problems as well. When a pastor baptizes an adult, there is a period of counselling that goes on beforehand just to be sure that that person understands what they're doing and that it isn't a frivolous act.

Baptizm is the outward show of an inner act of repentance. The old person passes away and the new person comes up out of the water. If the Anthonys were truly repentant, we will see them acting differently in the next while. And they will correct all their "mistruths" from the beginning of this case. I hope we see this happen, but I won't hold my breath.

I wrote to the pastor of the church who baptized them, and I sure hope I hear back from him.

[cassidy]

I have to wonder what the members of The Anthony's congregation think of The Anthony's publicity stunt to get re-baptized on what would have been Caylee's 4th birthday? :shrug: The more I think about it, I just think it was in extremely poor taste. Even if The Anthony's wanted to do this, it doesn't mean that the church or the minister had to agree to it. I wonder if it was just a spectacle where The Anthony's were re-baptized, or were other members of the church allowed to be re-baptized as well?

Why couldn't The Anthony's just have had the balloon launch for Caylee and left it at that?



Most everything they have done has been in very poor taste. So at least they are true to form.

JMO

[101Spots]

I think if the pastor of that church baptized them without counselling them, he is opening himself up to spiritual problems as well. When a pastor baptizes an adult, there is a period of counselling that goes on beforehand just to be sure that that person understands what they're doing and that it isn't a frivolous act.

Baptizm is the outward show of an inner act of repentance. The old person passes away and the new person comes up out of the water. If the Anthonys were truly repentant, we will see them acting differently in the next while. And they will correct all their "mistruths" from the beginning of this case. I hope we see this happen, but I won't hold my breath.

I wrote to the pastor of the church who baptized them, and I sure hope I hear back from him.

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When pigs fly.

[cassidy]

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When pigs fly.

Pigs will never fly, silly. :)

[101Spots]

pigs will never fly, silly. :)

:biggrinjester:............

[Bala]

Nothing the A's do shock me anymore. What shocks me is that the pastor would allow this knowing that it means nothing to them they are just using the church like they do the media and poor little Caylee's memory.

[crimeq]

I have to wonder what the members of The Anthony's congregation think of The Anthony's publicity stunt to get re-baptized on what would have been Caylee's 4th birthday? :shrug: The more I think about it, I just think it was in extremely poor taste. Even if The Anthony's wanted to do this, it doesn't mean that the church or the minister had to agree to it. I wonder if it was just a spectacle where The Anthony's were re-baptized, or were other members of the church allowed to be re-baptized as well?

Why couldn't The Anthony's just have had the balloon launch for Caylee and left it at that?

I think if the pastor of that church baptized them without counselling them, he is opening himself up to spiritual problems as well. When a pastor baptizes an adult, there is a period of counselling that goes on beforehand just to be sure that that person understands what they're doing and that it isn't a frivolous act.

Baptizm is the outward show of an inner act of repentance. The old person passes away and the new person comes up out of the water. If the Anthonys were truly repentant, we will see them acting differently in the next while. And they will correct all their "mistruths" from the beginning of this case. I hope we see this happen, but I won't hold my breath.

I wrote to the pastor of the church who baptized them, and I sure hope I hear back from him.

good for you Annie -- I hope you hear back from him too, and please let us know what he says.

[crimeq]

Nothing the A's do shock me anymore. What shocks me is that the pastor would allow this knowing that it means nothing to them they are just using the church like they do the media and poor little Caylee's memory.

Sadly it's not above pastors to use publicity to showcase their own church. He may feel this publicity will help him grow his church.

[artdonkey]

I think it would be next to impossible to get the car into the court house here....but maybe there would be an entrance that is not opened to the public that would be suitable....but I can see having the jury to go to street level to view it..which is not a bad idea. JMO

The Orange County Courthouse has a large loading dock area, but also an entrance refered to as a "sally port" I'm not sure of the spelling. That is where the police/sheriff vechicles pull into the basement of the building to deliver jailed defendents and witnesses to court.

[True2Blues]

Well, I bet they first said, "Wow, Long time no see!" Yeah, like not since the (ahem) Memorial service! And upon learning of the baptism, they most likely looked around checking for the structural soundness of the building - just in case - since lightning would probably strike down the building on them during the dunking of the Anthony's. Mass Exodus everybody!

I would have expected at least boiling water if not the lightning. Something!

[Katprint]

Sadly it's not above pastors to use publicity to showcase their own church. He may feel this publicity will help him grow his church.
I tend towards giving the pastor the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps he is sincerely praying for the Anthonys' miraculous redemption. As an expression of her Christian faith, my own mother used to correspond with inmates, sending them encouraging letters and small gifts like transistor radios. Also, I am dubious that accommodating the Anthonys would "help [anyone] grow [their] church." I daresay most people prefer to avoid congregations that include notorious people like the Anthonys.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[crimeq]

I tend towards giving the pastor the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps he is sincerely praying for the Anthonys' miraculous redemption. As an expression of her Christian faith, my own mother used to correspond with inmates, sending them encouraging letters and small gifts like transistor radios. Also, I am dubious that accommodating the Anthonys would "help [anyone] grow [their] church." I daresay most people prefer to avoid congregations that include notorious people like the Anthonys.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

You are kinder than I :-) I have seen too much corruption in fundamentalist churches and pastors with ego and ambition.

[AnniePie]

Sadly it's not above pastors to use publicity to showcase their own church. He may feel this publicity will help him grow his church.

Arrrgghhh... I never thought of that. The thought of it makes me sick.

[Lavinia]

I know next to nothing about organized religion, but isn't the confession and repentance part between the person and God, rather than the person and the preacher? Is it up to the preacher/priest to look into someone's heart to detect sincerity or do they have to accept their word? Maybe the preacher thinks their baptism is a good sign of faith and opens the doors for him to "tune them up" now. (I guess "tune them up" isn't a religious phrase is it? :blush:) I can't blame the preacher because if I was a Christian, I would think they are exactly who does need the church. (Ya'll help a poor street urchin out here and 'splain this for me, please.)

[Dells]

I don't feel that the minister/pastor should have refused to re-baptize them, but I just think the timing of doing it on what would have been Caylee's 4th birthday was bad timing/in poor taste. I would think that w/the circus like atmosphere that this case has generated for the past year or so, that stunts like this just adds to the whole thing.

I can see The Anthony's wanting to do it on Caylee's birthday, but I have a hard time grasping why the church would agree to do it on that particular date? It is generating a lot of bad press and the church has other people besides The Anthony's to consider.

If I was a member of that church, I don't know that I would be too happy w/this whole situation and that would be whether or not I was supportive of The Anthony's.

I remember a quote that Marc Klaas said on Nancy Grace. He said something to the effect that this family manufactures drama where there is none. That is so true, and apparently they haven't lost their touch.:sneaky:

[Lavinia]

That pastor would have to be a "master mechanic" to tune-up OR fix those particular "machines" - or "robots" that they seem to be. Pray real hard Cindy and George! God knows the hearts of His people, (and also the hearts of those who are just fronting fake religion) so I guess we can trust Him to figure that family. One of His bigger jobs there, I'd say. Heaven Help Them All!

"Master mechanic". :laugh:

[Pruddennce]

I have to wonder what the members of The Anthony's congregation think of The Anthony's publicity stunt to get re-baptized on what would have been Caylee's 4th birthday? :shrug: The more I think about it, I just think it was in extremely poor taste. Even if The Anthony's wanted to do this, it doesn't mean that the church or the minister had to agree to it. I wonder if it was just a spectacle where The Anthony's were re-baptized, or were other members of the church allowed to be re-baptized as well?

Why couldn't The Anthony's just have had the balloon launch for Caylee and left it at that?

If I had a daughter who was arrested for the murder of my own grandchild, I would not be out in public releasing balloons. for what?

*my granchild is dead, but hey, lets not talk about HOW her 'disposition' came to be*......CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.

I would be under a rock. they consistently bring attention to themselves under the guise of 'this is for Caylee'.....IT ISNT.

Caylee is deceased. She isnt going to have another birthday. She was born and her life was taken from her. She was never ever missing, she was never abducted. Her remains have been found. Deceased. and there is a defendant in custody. <--which they have yet to understand the enormity of her arrest.....

they simply want to be viewed as 'grievous' individuals, perish the thought as to WHY they no longer have a grandchild.

CIndy A did not 'pound on every single door'.....she most likely lifted that line from an old movie......* in fact, she withheld and compromised evidence.......she did NOTHING but create stories of sightings, interrupt innocent lives and lie to the public and LE......

their antics consistently bring attention to one glaring fact.....their own daughter is in custody, yet, they dont get it. self-serving panhandlers. IMO

Caylee Anthony, murder victim, was never embraced in a dignified, gracious manner by this family. Her death was exploited. and continues to be.

if there was ever a moment in time that I would like NOT to hear about a murdered child's remembrance on her 'birth' day, its now. She will never have another year of life, she is dead. the time to embrace her will be when justice is served. The community will never forget a child who was NEVER REPORTED MISSING BY HER MOTHER and her remains were found steps away from her home. what is the point of 'remembering her birthday'.......they should remember her DEATH behind closed doors and come to grips as to WHY she is dead and go hang their heads in SHAME.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[seeing_eye]

If I had a daughter who was arrested for the murder of my own grandchild, I would not be out in public releasing balloons. for what?

*my granchild is dead, but hey, lets not talk about HOW her 'disposition' came to be*......CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.

I would be under a rock. they consistently bring attention to themselves under the guise of 'this is for Caylee'.....IT ISNT.

Caylee is deceased. She isnt going to have another birthday. She was born and her life was taken from her. She was never ever missing, she was never abducted. Her remains have been found. Deceased. and there is a defendant in custody. <--which they have yet to understand the enormity of her arrest.....

they simply want to be viewed as 'grievous' individuals, perish the thought as to WHY they no longer have a grandchild.

CIndy A did not 'pound on every single door'.....she most likely lifted that line from an old movie......* in fact, she withheld and compromised evidence.......she did NOTHING but create stories of sightings, interrupt innocent lives and lie to the public and LE......

their antics consistently bring attention to one glaring fact.....their own daughter is in custody, yet, they dont get it. self-serving panhandlers. IMO

Caylee Anthony, murder victim, was never embraced in a dignified, gracious manner by this family. Her death was exploited. and continues to be.

if there was ever a moment in time that I would like NOT to hear about a murdered child's remembrance on her 'birth' day, its now. She will never have another year of life, she is dead. the time to embrace her will be when justice is served. The community will never forget a child was missing and her remains were found steps away from her home. what is the point of 'remembering her birthday'.......they should remember her DEATH and come to grips as to WHY she is dead and go hang their heads in SHAME.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

Wow, my sentiments exactly!!

[happygert]

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20089834/detail.html on page 3 the motion talks about the privacy agreement signed by Leonard Padilla, Tony Padilla, Tracy McLaughlin and Robert Dick. The motion also says the entered into an oral agreement. I think everyone has heard Judge Judy's opinion of oral agreements. :lol:

Back to the privacy agreement: http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20089919/detail.html

1. not allowed to make any recordings - There is no mention of any recordings in the motion. IMO, if there were, JB and Team would be all over it.

2. not allowed to question or interrogate Casey - The motion states there numerous conversations and Casey made many statements. No mention of Casey being interrogated or questioned.

Scroll down to page 4 "This agreement does not create a relationship in so for as that the Parties of the Second Part are in no way hired by or represent the Firm or the Defendant."

I am no legal eagle, but IMO, I do not think it will fly.

IMO baez id barking up the wrong tree.. This dog don't hunt so to speak.. no agreement between LP and ths Firm.. baez is not going to win this one... Judge is going to laugh his way all the back to his chambers... imo..

[Pruddennce]

IMO baez id barking up the wrong tree.. This dog don't hunt so to speak.. no agreement between LP and ths Firm.. baez is not going to win this one... Judge is going to laugh his way all the back to his chambers... imo..

I hope you are right happygert. its quite an annoyance with all of these ridiculous motions.......I esp liked that moment in court when he was whining about wanting the 'list of volunteers' from the search, and the court scratched his head, so to speak, as in whut? hmm, cant do that JB, its not within my authority, state laws and all that.....

paraphrasing, but it was an interesting moment in JB's wall of absurd requests.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[Pruddennce]

That pastor would have to be a "master mechanic" to tune-up OR fix those particular "machines" - or "robots" that they seem to be. Pray real hard Cindy and George! God knows the hearts of His people, (and also the hearts of those who are just fronting fake religion) so I guess we can trust Him to figure that family. One of His bigger jobs there, I'd say. Heaven Help Them All!

I found the BIBLE reference dialogue between Cindy and Casey during the jailhouse visit quite laughable. Casey and her bible, and blah blah blah.....what a transparent attempt to try to 'paint her in a different light' as if Casey read the bible daily and was religious. pretty funny, IMO, considering the girl had sex outside of marriage and didnt even name the daddy.

hey, does anyone know if Caylee was ever baptized? I dont recall ever hearing about that or seeing pictures.

would be interesting to know, considering they just recently submerged themselves in holy water or whatever....:D

every time they publically participate in these self-serving antics, I feel like I need a shower.

barf

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[happygert]

I hope you are right happygert. its quite an annoyance with all of these ridiculous motions.......I esp liked that moment in court when he was whining about wanting the 'list of volunteers' from the search, and the court scratched his head, so to speak, as in whut? hmm, cant do that JB, its not within my authority, state laws and all that.....

paraphrasing, but it was an interesting moment in JB's wall of absurd requests.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Exactly!.. LP and company was not hired by baez..LP and Company bailed casey out.. they were there protecting there interest.. half of mills worth.. there for no client privilege exists.. just like dc was not rehired by jb.. no client privilege there either..after oct...
Just like nothing the judge can do about Tim Miller either.. Cant wait to see baez and company when Judge slaps him down on this motion..

[101Spots]

I found the BIBLE reference dialogue between Cindy and Casey during the jailhouse visit quite laughable. Casey and her bible, and blah blah blah.....what a transparent attempt to try to 'paint her in a different light' as if Casey read the bible daily and was religious. pretty funny, IMO, considering the girl had sex outside of marriage and didnt even name the daddy.

hey, does anyone know if Caylee was ever baptized? I dont recall ever hearing about that or seeing pictures.

would be interesting to know, considering they just recently submerged themselves in holy water or whatever....:D

every time they publically participate in these self-serving antics, I feel like I need a shower.

barf

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Those weren't even direct quotes. They were basic platitudes one can recite without any religious training or background. "Love they neighbor." How many movies have used that line? I find it hard to believe that she obtained her knowledge directly from the source.

[msgatorslayer]

If I had a daughter who was arrested for the murder of my own grandchild, I would not be out in public releasing balloons. for what?

*my granchild is dead, but hey, lets not talk about HOW her 'disposition' came to be*......CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.

I would be under a rock. they consistently bring attention to themselves under the guise of 'this is for Caylee'.....IT ISNT.


Caylee is deceased. She isnt going to have another birthday. She was born and her life was taken from her. She was never ever missing, she was never abducted. Her remains have been found. Deceased. and there is a defendant in custody. <--which they have yet to understand the enormity of her arrest.....

they simply want to be viewed as 'grievous' individuals, perish the thought as to WHY they no longer have a grandchild.

CIndy A did not 'pound on every single door'.....she most likely lifted that line from an old movie......* in fact, she withheld and compromised evidence.......she did NOTHING but create stories of sightings, interrupt innocent lives and lie to the public and LE......

their antics consistently bring attention to one glaring fact.....their own daughter is in custody, yet, they dont get it. self-serving panhandlers. IMO

Caylee Anthony, murder victim, was never embraced in a dignified, gracious manner by this family. Her death was exploited. and continues to be.

if there was ever a moment in time that I would like NOT to hear about a murdered child's remembrance on her 'birth' day, its now. She will never have another year of life, she is dead. the time to embrace her will be when justice is served. The community will never forget a child who was NEVER REPORTED MISSING BY HER MOTHER and her remains were found steps away from her home. what is the point of 'remembering her birthday'.......they should remember her DEATH behind closed doors and come to grips as to WHY she is dead and go hang their heads in SHAME.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

Always right on with your posts, Pru!:thumbsup:

"Guise' is a great description. They say it's all about Caylee but it's really all about Casey. CMA!!! CMA!!!!

For them to acknowledge Caylee was murdered they'd also have to come to terms with the fact that their Daughter is THE MURDERER.

Caylee, the missing child, later suffering from a 'terminal event', is what they want her to be remembered as. SICK!!!!!

[AnniePie]

[QUOTE=AnniePie;13356515]

good for you Annie -- I hope you hear back from him too, and please let us know what he says.

I definitely will.

And I have a question for y'all... (trying to sound Texan here)

Who is Sherry Brown Lawless in this case? She sent RG a message on FB today talking about a movie that he was planning to make and she wanted someone she knew to play Jesse. Is she a credible person?

I'm not very knowledgable about FB, so I couldn't see if he responded. In fact I can't find it on the FB page, only in my mailbox.

I'm a bit leery about posting this here. If this is against TOS in any way, will someone please let me know and I'll try to delete it.

[Dells]

If I had a daughter who was arrested for the murder of my own grandchild, I would not be out in public releasing balloons. for what?

*my granchild is dead, but hey, lets not talk about HOW her 'disposition' came to be*......CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.

I would be under a rock. they consistently bring attention to themselves under the guise of 'this is for Caylee'.....IT ISNT.

Caylee is deceased. She isnt going to have another birthday. She was born and her life was taken from her. She was never ever missing, she was never abducted. Her remains have been found. Deceased. and there is a defendant in custody. <--which they have yet to understand the enormity of her arrest.....

they simply want to be viewed as 'grievous' individuals, perish the thought as to WHY they no longer have a grandchild.

CIndy A did not 'pound on every single door'.....she most likely lifted that line from an old movie......* in fact, she withheld and compromised evidence.......she did NOTHING but create stories of sightings, interrupt innocent lives and lie to the public and LE......

their antics consistently bring attention to one glaring fact.....their own daughter is in custody, yet, they dont get it. self-serving panhandlers. IMO

Caylee Anthony, murder victim, was never embraced in a dignified, gracious manner by this family. Her death was exploited. and continues to be.

if there was ever a moment in time that I would like NOT to hear about a murdered child's remembrance on her 'birth' day, its now. She will never have another year of life, she is dead. the time to embrace her will be when justice is served. The community will never forget a child who was NEVER REPORTED MISSING BY HER MOTHER and her remains were found steps away from her home. what is the point of 'remembering her birthday'.......they should remember her DEATH behind closed doors and come to grips as to WHY she is dead and go hang their heads in SHAME.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

What an absolutely fabulous post!:thumbup: So well said. You exactly summed up The Anthony's and their disgraceful behavior towards Caylee's memory.

[Dells]

Always right on with your posts, Pru!:thumbsup:

"Guise' is a great description. They say it's all about Caylee but it's really all about Casey. CMA!!! CMA!!!!

For them to acknowledge Caylee was murdered they'd also have to come to terms with the fact that their Daughter is THE MURDERER.

Caylee, the missing child, later suffering from a 'terminal event', is what they want her to be remembered as. SICK!!!!!

Bolding mine.....

So true! They also want Casey to be remembered as the martyr who was wrongly accused of her daughter's "terminal event", but selflessly sits in jail not saying anything to implicate the "real killer" because she is protecting her family and still protecting Caylee.:rolleyes:

[msgatorslayer]

They could have gotten baptized any other day than Caylee's birthday. IMO, it was another publicity stunt.

They should have stayed home. Mouring and praying to their Caylee jewerly. Or something.

They made it all about THEM, as usual.

[seeing_eye]

Bolding mine.....

So true! They also want Casey to be remembered as the martyr who was wrongly accused of her daughter's "terminal event", but selflessly sits in jail not saying anything to implicate the "real killer" because she is protecting her family and still protecting Caylee.:rolleyes:

Why would they be out looking for the "real killer?" They've never admitted Caylee was murdered. They just continue to call her death a "terminal event." They can't say "murder."

[Deannalynn]

They could have gotten baptized any other day than Caylee's birthday. IMO, it was another publicity stunt.

They should have stayed home. Mouring and praying to their Caylee jewerly. Or something.

They made it all about THEM, as usual.

It became all about them shortly after Caylee was discovered missing. It will stay that way throughout this entire ordeal.They are the victims, remember? They are to be the main focus til the end and thereafter, I assume. As long as the people are feeding into their BS, the Anthony's will be directly in the lime light.
Not even Casey will have as much publicity as George and Cindy. They will see to that.
JMO

[Pruddennce]

Always right on with your posts, Pru!:thumbsup:

"Guise' is a great description. They say it's all about Caylee but it's really all about Casey. CMA!!! CMA!!!!

For them to acknowledge Caylee was murdered they'd also have to come to terms with the fact that their Daughter is THE MURDERER.

Caylee, the missing child, later suffering from a 'terminal event', is what they want her to be remembered as. SICK!!!!!

OMG msgatorslayer....thank you for the quote "TERMINAL EVENT"....I couldnt remember their precise wording! UGH.....good grief....! right...suffering from the TE......its beyond words to describe their inane comments...

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[msgatorslayer]

Keep in mind that the Anthony's are not playing to us here at IS. They're after those other people who don't know all the intricate details of the case. The ones who, after going to their own church and having a nice dinner with their families turn on their evening news to hear about the poor Anthony's.

I don't like judging someone on their religous beliefs or if they're sincere. It's not something I normally do. But I don't trust a thing an Anthony does. There is always a motive behind it. They're not genuine.

JMO

[Deannalynn]

Why would they be out looking for the "real killer?" They've never admitted Caylee was murdered. They just continue to call her death a "terminal event." They can't say "murder."

So, who thought this "terminal event" up?
Caylee was just terminated. Her life was terminated. That sounds so rediculous and no one will refer to Caylee as that. They will try and use it in court and they (The state) will put a stop to that.:sneaky:
These Anthony's are not civilized. JMO (la la land of the tinker bells of the world)
JMHO

[AnniePie]

Keep in mind that the Anthony's are not playing to us here at IS. They're after those other people who don't know all the intricate details of the case. The ones who, after going to their own church and having a nice dinner with their families turn on their evening news to hear about the poor Anthony's.

I don't like judging someone on their religous beliefs or if they're sincere. It's not something I normally do. But I don't trust a thing an Anthony does. There is always a motive behind it. They're not genuine.JMO

I absolutely agree with this, ms.

[msgatorslayer]

OMG msgatorslayer....thank you for the quote "TERMINAL EVENT"....I couldnt remember their precise wording! UGH.....good grief....! right...suffering from the TE......its beyond words to describe their inane comments...

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

YW, Pru.

It's easy to forget their description. We call it 'MURDER'. With a cap C.:sneaky:

[msgatorslayer]

It became all about them shortly after Caylee was discovered missing. It will stay that way throughout this entire ordeal.They are the victims, remember? They are to be the main focus til the end and thereafter, I assume. As long as the people are feeding into their BS, the Anthony's will be directly in the lime light.
Not even Casey will have as much publicity as George and Cindy. They will see to that.
JMO

Yup, Casey is 2nd chair to her parents as Baez is to Lyon's. They have and will continue to see to it. Cindy leading the way.

That's okay though. What Cindy sees as helping is only harming. Her journey will help lead Casey straight to prison. Hopefully, to DR. IMO.

[msgatorslayer]

So, who thought this "terminal event" up?
Caylee was just terminated. Her life was terminated. That sounds so rediculous and no one will refer to Caylee as that. They will try and use it in court and they (The state) will put a stop to that.:sneaky:
These Anthony's are not civilized. JMO (la la land of the tinker bells of the world)
JMHO

I think Linda Baden called it that.

[farrahrani]

Yup, Casey is 2nd chair to her parents as Baez is to Lyon's. They have and will continue to see to it. Cindy leading the way.

That's okay though. What Cindy sees as helping is only harming. Her journey will help lead Casey straight to prison. Hopefully, to DR. IMO.


bolding is mine.


I know I'm tired when I'm reading this and saying to myself...'Who is Doctor IMO, and why haven't I heard his name yet?' :laugh:

Good night people xp

[Deannalynn]

I think Linda Baden called it that.

Linda Baden:confused:
I'm surprised at that. Baden is one of the "Senior" lawyers out there.
Interesting. So, if she is directing a question to a witness she has every intention to refer Caylee's MURDER as a "terminal event.

A jury would love that. Referring to Caylee's murder as a terminal event. That's just so unprofessional and plain, not nice...
Down play, down play, down play. Jury will see right through that.
JMHO

[seeing_eye]

I think Linda Baden called it that.

I remember reading it on D. Casey's website when he was asking for tips about Caylee's "terminal event."

[seeing_eye]

bolding is mine.


I know I'm tired when I'm reading this and saying to myself...'Who is Doctor IMO, and why haven't I heard his name yet?' :laugh:

Good night people xp

That doesn't mean Dr. IMO. It meant, "Hopefully, to Death Row, in my opinion."

[happygert]

They could have gotten baptized any other day than Caylee's birthday. IMO, it was another publicity stunt.

They should have stayed home. Mouring and praying to their Caylee jewerly. Or something.

They made it all about THEM, as usual.

What no chili cook off? instead they get baptized? OMG what a farce!.. wait no we're not celebrating Caylee's Birthday.. were celebrating our rebirth.. we saw the light.. now we just lie 99.99% of the time.. OMGBMAB.. what a specticle.. now they steal her Birthday away from her to.. not only did they not protect her in life now they steal her BIRTHDAY..These people are really sicko's..

[happygert]

Linda Baden:confused:
I'm surprised at that. Baden is one of the "Senior" lawyers out there.
Interesting. So, if she is directing a question to a witness she has every intention to refer Caylee's MURDER as a "terminal event.

A jury would love that. Referring to Caylee's murder as a terminal event. That's just so unprofessional and plain, not nice...
Down play, down play, down play. Jury will see right through that.
JMHO

TERMINAL EVENT MY arse... get a grip defense team this was a COLD BLOODED MURDER committed by your lowlife. bed hoping, lying ,stealing, murdering , narcissistic psychopath ,strutting self centered client! casey murdered this BABY!! NO ONE ELSE but casey murdered Caylee.. now the cover up thats a different story .. cindy george and lee are all guilty of that!..
Caylee our sweet ANGEL maybe next year on your BIRTHDAY the one who murdered you will be convicted.. That would be the best BIRTHDAY GIFT that the STATE of FLORDIA can give you.... mo

PS sorry everyone for my rant.. I have a 2 1/2 yr old grand son and IT really pi$$es me off to think what casey did to this poor little innocent beautiful Baby..

[happygert]

LOL guess Im alone again.. get on when everyones gone.. nite all..

[Deannalynn]

LOL guess Im alone again.. get on when everyones gone.. nite all..

Of course you're not alone happygert.
How are you tonight/this morning. How is your hand, by the way.
Back from a 3 week vacation. It was awesome.

Terminal event is such a cold and uncaring phrase the other side wishes to use when referring to poor Caylee. That burns my cockles
rigt up...
jmo

[Deannalynn]

Originally Posted by Deannalynn View Post
So, who thought this "terminal event" up?
Caylee was just terminated. Her life was terminated. That sounds so rediculous and no one will refer to Caylee as that. They will try and use it in court and they (The state) will put a stop to that.
These Anthony's are not civilized. JMO (la la land of the tinker bells of the world)
JMHO

I think Linda Baden called it that.
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IMO - I would say that all of us should start refering to the likely punishment of the Death Penalty that is waiting for their baby killing daughter if she is found guilty as "Casey's Terminal Event" - It would not be any more crass than this statement from the defense.

Everyone of them wants to say that Casey was a loving mother, yada yada - but no one cares that her reactions showed (and continue to show) someone who selfishly thinks only of themselves first, and Caylee as an after thought when she is trying to force out a tear, (or in any other way show the actions of a human being).

Her phone call the night she was arrested said it all, "All the family cares about is Caylee...and she herself said it all, "waste...total waste." So on the day they carry out her sentence, I think it should be called "Casey's Terminal Event" in the next day's newspapers. How dare there be dramatic headlines for her last appearance...just Terminal Event - share that one thing with your daughter.

I think about this little girl a lot. Caylee was a lot like the character "Vincent" in the song by Don McClean, when he sang: - "We would have told you, (Caylee) - This world was never meant for one as beautiful as you." You have no idea the effect you have had on the people who continue to cry out for justice in your name. We stand with you, Caylee. We know you are watching. Rest in Peace, little one. :wub:

Perhaps it's the name of this book the Anthony's have in mind.:shrug:
I wouldn't be surprised.:glare:
JMO

[happygert]

Of course you're not alone happygert.
How are you tonight/this morning. How is your hand, by the way.
Back from a 3 week vacation. It was awesome.

Terminal event is such a cold and uncaring phrase the other side wishes to use when referring to poor Caylee. That burns my cockles
rigt up...
jmo

Welcome back! You didn't miss much..Sounds like you had a good time..
Its a little better they put a shot in it but... it didn't help much.. thanks for asking.

Yes it gripes my soul.. It burns me to no end..To think the way they talk about a little girl whose mom murdered her.. down right sickening..You want to scream the witch murdered Caylee there was no TERMINAL EVENT.. she didn't have a fatal disease.. other then a narcisisstic psychopath mom and a family who could care less about Caylee..whole family of narcissistic psychopaths

Had my little guy all night last night. Today he help me make homemade noodles.. loved every minute of it.. we was getting ready to make cookies and his daddy showed up..
I was thinking about I wonder if anyone ever made cookies with Caylee.. all the little things she never got to do..All the love everyone has shown for her since her death.. Too bad she never got to experience that kind of love while she was alive..What she never had in life she's getting from total strangers in death.. sad very sad..

BTW I'M going to be grandma again!...Going to have to put daddy in his place tho..
I can see it already!...

[happygert]

HELLO DL - and all the other night owls! Gert, ma'am. Good to see you, too. Sorry, but this baptism thing got my goat, ya know?

mine too FMO..It was another way to slap Caylee's memory in the face.. now they have taken her Birthday away from her.. now it will be known as the day they were baptised..sicko's is all I can say without getting into big trouble..

hi FMO and everyone..

[happygert]

going to try an go to bed nite all...