8/9 to 8/11

[CinderL.]

Here you go. :smile:

[CinderL.]

OK, so here I am. Where is everyone else. I knew this would happen. It was a plot. :ohmy:

[February]

Yay! Thank you Cinder !

I was touched by Larry King's wife when she said she loved Jermaine and she loved The Jackson family. She is best friends with Marie Osmond, and Donnie and MJ were friends.

[aproudmom]

OK, so here I am. Where is everyone else. I knew this would happen. It was a plot. :ohmy:

Thanks Cinder appreciate it,...sorry did not see your post that you opened one..

[February]

OK, so here I am. Where is everyone else. I knew this would happen. It was a plot. :ohmy:

LOL just give it a minute. I am gonna bump it for you.

[CinderL.]

Yay! Thank you Cinder !

I was touched by Larry King's wife when she said she loved Jermaine and she loved The Jackson family. She is best friends with Marie Osmond, and Donnie and MJ were friends.

Nice to see you. I must have missed the very end of LKL yesterday, I missed Larry's wife talking.

[aproudmom]

Yay! Thank you Cinder !

I was touched by Larry King's wife when she said she loved Jermaine and she loved The Jackson family. She is best friends with Marie Osmond, and Donnie and MJ were friends.

he has a very pretty wife..I had never seen her..she seems very sweet..

[aproudmom]

Nice to see you. I must have missed the very end of LKL yesterday, I missed Larry's wife talking.

It was at the very end like the last 5 minutes..do they record his like they do NG..if not she was very sweet IMO..

[CinderL.]

he has a very pretty wife..I had never seen her..she seems very sweet..

All I know about her is that she did that Dr. injection party with Prissila P. that messed up her face....some kind of oil was injected into their faces. Prisilla looks horrible with what the guy did to her. I didn't see LK's wife.

[February]

Nice to see you. I must have missed the very end of LKL yesterday, I missed Larry's wife talking.

Shawn is gorgeous, and apparently Jermaine has been to their home a few times. Larry has a special rapport with the Jackson family.

[CinderL.]

Must be night time. See you all tomorrow. :seeya:

[February]

Must be night time. See you all tomorrow. :seeya:


Nite, Cinder. Thanks for the new thread. Sweet dreams.

[CinderL.]

Bumping this one up. The other thread is too long. :smile:

[CinderL.]

CinderL..Why dont you maybe contact moderator to close other thread..it can be done by reporting your own post to moderator..and requesting the huge previous thread be locked..it is rather long..

Just suggesting it, it is always best for you to send your own initial post, than someone else...hummm..dont want them to think you did sumptin wrong...LOL

LMS :>)

I am afraid to report myself. :scared: You do it. LOL

Nevermind, I did it. hehehe

[GentleBreeze]

I am afraid to report myself. :scared: You do it. LOL

Nevermind, I did it. hehehe

Cinder, I want to apologize. I did not see your thread and continued to post on the other one.:ohmy:

This one just caught my eye.

My bad, sorry.:blushing:

imo

[aproudmom]

All I have to say is these kids will NEVER have peace in their life and that is sad they will see all this if they don't already and I think it is time to let them kids be kids and leave them alone and not be afraid of who the next who's ya daddy..it sickens me to hear someone was a friend of 20 some years and they are now afraid for the way the kids are being raised..ummm did they know MJ was addicted to Pain meds? I AM SURE THEY ALL DID this is all about money and vaulter's and if this is true he was never a friend to MJ...ALL JMO..Why just Paris her and Prince look a like to me..

Report: Jackson kids' godfather claims paternity
LONDON (AP) -- A British tabloid reported Saturday that the godfather of Michael Jackson's three children claims to be the father of the singer's daughter Paris.
http://music.msn.com/music/article.aspx?news=425249&GT1=28102

[CinderL.]

Cinder, I want to apologize. I did not see your thread and continued to post on the other one.:ohmy:

This one just caught my eye.

My bad, sorry.:blushing:

imo


No problem. The other one is getting slow to load. :smile:

[CinderL.]

Good morning! Thanks for starting the new thread, Cinderl.

That bastion of journalistic integrity, NewsoftheWorld, is reporting on Mark Lester's claim that he is Paris's father.

This aired on a news report I happened to see this morning, which showed pictures of Mark's daughter Harriet (included in link). Lester claims the resemblance between Paris and Harriet proves his claim.

The Girl is Mine
I'm the Real Father of Michael Jackson's Girl, claims Mark Lester

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/showbiz/michael_jackson/443550/Im-real-father-Michael-Jacksons-girl-claims-Mark-Lester.html

Much as I hate to link NOTW, it is out there, and there are some nice pictures.

I don't care much for all of this paternity stuff, and I agree with Xenam and SandyCrack that Michael Jackson is the children's father.

However, imo all this press indicates that Paris, Prince, and Blanket may become the most famous celebrity children ever. If that's the case, I sure hope the counselor they get (per the custody agreement) is a sincere and dedicated one who can also help them deal with celebrity, and not just another person looking to hitch their wagon to the Jackson star.

Look at all the baby daddy claims were made in the Anna N. Smith case. Geez.

[aproudmom]

I am not sure if anyone is familiar with the Depo shot for BC I have used it for the past 15 plus years off and on actually got preg on it because of taking antibiotics 13 years ago I never had a decreased interest in sex, and he took it for little boys sake so guess I take it to what stay away from little girls..this really upets me but this is kinda a joke because depression medication Effexor, Paxil and several others are the ones doctors tell you could cause a lack of interest in sex..IMO I think this is turning into a joke..and nothing has been proven by a fact and I can see this kind of stuff getting this whole thread shutdown..I only hope we can look at the source of the reporting and all the misreporting before heated conversations start..I do not believe what I read anymore it is like they have to find something new when there is nothing to report on and usually that person will put a statement out saying they never said such a thing..if Paris is this mans so be it he had NO problem with MJ raising Paris and he has known him for almost 30 years and knew all of the above and left her in his care...OK whatever..they are more worried about a 80yr old women than the father who they claim took depo shots, traveled with dope doctors and was such a horrible addict WTFREAK ever..all JMO is is all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

read all the info on any meds you take and in most cases most do not have side effects FGS I would be dead if everything on that long sheet that comes with my meds were true..

Side Effects
70% of women using Depo Provera gain weight. Almost half of the women using Depo Provera gain more than 5 pounds after one year of use. Many women gain more than 10 pounds.

Irregular, heavy, or no bleeding are common side effects of Depo Provera. After a year of use, many women stop having periods. Lack of a period becomes increasingly common with longer use.

Other side effects of Depo Provera can include headaches, nervousness, mood changes, bloating, hot flashes, decreased interest in sex, breast tenderness, acne, hair loss, and back ache.

[CinderL.]

No kidding. If there was any redeeming grace in that situation, at least Dannielynn was too young to realize what was going on.

Very true.


This gave me a chuckle. From TMZ.
*************

Michael's Dad Did Not Reign Supreme

Posted Aug 9th 2009 8:33AM by TMZ Staff

Mary Wilson, Joe JacksonMichael Jackson's dad did not hit on one of the sexiest women in the Mowtown stable -- not because he was married, but because she was just too damn old ... according to Mary Wilson.

Wilson -- an original member of The Supremes -- was at a New York club over the weekend when someone asked her if Joe Jackson ever made his move on her. According to the New York Post, Wilson laughed and responded, "I was too old for him."

By the way, Mary was linked to Tom Jones and Steve McQueen in her day ... and the best -- Flip Wilson!

[aproudmom]

No kidding. If there was any redeeming grace in that situation, at least Dannielynn was too young to realize what was going on.

I just saw her on Tori Spellings show she is such a doll looks just like her daddy so big I was shocked..

[aproudmom]

Look at all the baby daddy claims were made in the Anna N. Smith case. Geez.

we all knew just who her father was and her mother...and not so sure she is worth as much as MJ kids..JMO..I think it is just so sick that people run when they can get something out of it..this crap of how they are being raised is their concern..well IMO if they knew what was going on just like DR they have no business with any of those kids..they are more afraid of KJ and JJ pleeze it is just a way to make them look like they are not betraying MJ and still able to call him a friend..MJ is the father of those kids they all need to be together and this is soooooo old IMO...actually I was hoping to see Klein in a courtroom begging not to lose his license rather than wanting to be involved in the kids life's...:laugh: what a joke and weirdo he is..

[CinderL.]

LOL, CinderL. I have a feeling Mary Wilson could have held her own If Joe Jackson ever put the make on her.

O/T I love Motown. Don't know if there are any other Motown fans out there, but if any of you are, and you haven't seen this movie, it's
great:

"Standing in the Shadows of Motown"
http://www.standingintheshadowsofmotown.com/

Well over a year ago, plans were announced for making a biopic of Marvin Gaye starring Jesse L. Martin. Haven't heard any recent news about it, but I'm looking forward to that too.

I really love motown. Is this available on DVD, do you know?

[CinderL.]

we all knew just who her father was and her mother...and not so sure she is worth as much as MJ kids..JMO..I think it is just so sick that people run when they can get something out of it..this crap of how they are being raised is their concern..well IMO if they knew what was going on just like DR they have no business with any of those kids..they are more afraid of KJ and JJ pleeze it is just a way to make them look like they are not betraying MJ and still able to call him a friend..MJ is the father of those kids they all need to be together and this is soooooo old IMO...actually I was hoping to see Klein in a courtroom begging not to lose his license rather than wanting to be involved in the kids life's...:laugh: what a joke and weirdo he is..

I really think you just might get your wish about Kline ending up in a courthouse for his license. Plus, a few more before all of this is over.

[CinderL.]

Yes, it is. I believe it's available through the link I posted and also at Amazon.

It also airs regularly on my local Comcast cable. I've probably seen it 7 or 8 times.

Thanks, I will look for it.

[CinderL.]

I don't think anything can touch Jimmy Ruffin's original version of "What Becomes of the Broken Hearted," but Joan Osborne performs a good cover in "Standing in the Shadows of Motown":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA0GcXV2njY

Couldn't resist - I promise to go back on topic now.

I am glad you went o/t. That was very good. Thanks.:smile:

[RootBeer]

I just started reading another MJ book, but I will wait to post about it in the book thread on our Mj forum tomorrow.

:thumbup:

[aproudmom]

This is dated a few days after MJ died:rolleyes:

Michael Jackson asked if I wanted to be Blanket's godfather: Friend Mark Lester gives a touching insight into the tortured singer

They were both childhood stars who made weekly transatlantic telephone calls to one another during a close friendship that lasted almost 30 years...Mark Lester, who played the lead in the Seventies film Oliver!, and Michael Jackson had mutual trust and when they became fathers, they made each other godparent to their respective children

Indeed, Jackson, who spoke to Lester last Sunday, said he was planning to dedicate his opening London show to Mark’s daughter Harriet – and invite her on stage.

'He said he couldn't’t wait to get back on stage and that his kids were going to see him perform – it was one of the main reasons for him doing the shows. That’s why the whole thing is such a shock.



these kids look a lot more alike than the one I just seen..

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/galleries/michael_jackson_the_life_and_career_of_the_king_of _pop/michael_jackson_the_life_and_career_of_the_king_of _pop.html

never-before-seen picture has been released showing the late Michael Jackson with his family at his Holmby Hills residence in Westwood, Calif in late 2008. Real estate developer Mohamed Hadid released the picture following the singer's death. Jackson spent his final days in the house that Hadid had originally built and that Jackson leased for $100,000 a month from the current owner. Hadid, who calls himself a close friend of Michael Jackson, spent some of Jackson's last days with him and is now speaking out about Jackson's health and state of mind during the last few weeks before his death

But IMO MJ is was and will always be their Daddy..I guess I just feel so bad for the kids it is a mom thing..I hear little Paris saying how much she loved her "DADDY" that day and then to read all this stuff it breaks my heart..but I am a softly when it comes to children..I have no doubt KJ is just fine and will raise the kids well and that is what their father wanted so these so called friends should want what MJ wanted..JMO

[who_is_it]

Good afternoon all :)

I guess I can understand Lester's concerns -- but why talk to a newspaper? I just have a hard time understanding how this could possibly be in the "best interest of the children" by throwing this out to the public?

<snipped>



I don't understand this at all, either -- specially not because Lester once had sued the "Daily Mail" for libel (wrong allegations about his wife, their kids and Michael Jackson).

Moreover I don't understand why Lester chose to talk to the NOTW -- the trashiest of all British tabloids. So many celebrities sued them for libel, so many.

[who_is_it]

I just started reading another MJ book, but I will wait to post about it in the book thread on our Mj forum tomorrow.

:thumbup:

I already missed the book thread, too. I've also ordered a book ("redemption"). May I just ask: Which one do you read?

[retiredcop]

I wonder if Mr Jackson left something in writting with the executors as to who the sperm donor is in the event the children want to know. I would think someone knows and that would probably be Branca.

in my opinion

[who_is_it]

I gotta say...I believe he may have donated that sperm and the likelihood he's the biological father are very high. IMO IIRC I once read that he had originally approached Macaulay Culkin who turned him down. I can't see Michael Jackson leaving it up to chance. IMO He was obsessed with good-looks and would never use anonymous sperm for that reason. I think the resemblance to Marks daughter is uncanny. ( Didn't check out the ears..lol)

Bottom line...they remain Michael Jackson's children and he is their father.

I would appreciate if Mark Lester was the donator (and not Klein). I agree that it's unlikely MJ used anonymous sperm.

I don't know... but maybe Blanket is Michael's biological child or the mother isn't caucasian. Blanket looks a bit like Peruvian imo.

[who_is_it]

I wonder if Mr Jackson left something in writting with the executors as to who the sperm donor is in the event the children want to know. I would think someone knows and that would probably be Branca.

in my opinion

Though I think biology doesn't make a good father imo every kid has the right to know about its genetic origin. Could write much about it.... but I've overexerted myself in yesterday's discussion and therefore won't.

[Mamie]

I wonder if Mr Jackson left something in writting with the executors as to who the sperm donor is in the event the children want to know. I would think someone knows and that would probably be Branca.

in my opinion

I would assume somebody knows somethin'------if for no other reason, for medical reasons, i.e. surgeries, transplants, etc. JMO

[GentleBreeze]

I would appreciate if Mark Lester was the donator (and not Klein). I agree that it's unlikely MJ used anonymous sperm.

I don't know... but maybe Blanket is Michael's biological child or the mother isn't caucasian. Blanket looks a bit like Peruvian imo.

The media will never leave these poor children alone. It really isn't anyone else's business who their bio parents are but theirs.

You would think this has become America's favorite pastime trying to determine something about someone else's life that really has no connection to them. It is madness imo and cruel to these children who just lost their father a little over a month ago.

But it never seems to end...

This is supposed to be Blanket's mother.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2019498/blanket_jacksons_mother_is_a_uk_doctor.html?cat=2

Blanket Jackson's Mother is a UK Doctor

A source close to the Jackson family has revealed to our investigators that Blanket Jackson's biological mother is in fact 32 year old Brit, Dr Susan Essien Etok.

The London based beauty, had a brief "secret" romance with Jackson in 2001, before agreeing to becoming his surrogate mother.

[Mamie]

Good afternoon all :)

I guess I can understand Lester's concerns -- but why talk to a newspaper? I just have a hard time understanding how this could possibly be in the "best interest of the children" by throwing this out to the public?


"Lester said he felt compelled to speak out because he feared being excluded from the lives of Jackson’s children.

“This isn’t what Michael would have wanted,” he said. I feel I have to come forward, as my only way of saying, ’Please don’t shut me out!’.” The paternity of Jackson’s children is hot topic for debate among Jackson’s fans.

Magician Uri Geller, another long-time friend of Jackson’s, backed Lester’s story.

“As a close friend of Mark, I respect his own situation to reveal this information at this time,” the 62-year-old told Sky News television.

“I am not surprised, I knew it all along simply because Michael told me.” Geller declined to specify exactly what he knew, but said he spoke to Lester yesterday.

“I am with him on this because of the information he told me,” he added."

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/articles/20090809180345/Article

Why does Lester only think that Paris is his daughter? Why doesn't he think Prince is? And has he checked with the agency that had his sperm arranged to see if any has been "used"? I realize you don't know the answers to these questions, Xenam, just putting in my two cents. I'm always suspicious of people like this that come out after-the-fact. Maybe he's legit----time will tell, I guess. JMO

[disneyfreak]

I would assume somebody knows somethin'------if for no other reason, for medical reasons, i.e. surgeries, transplants, etc. JMO
There are many ways to have a medical history without knowing who the parent is. From what I've seen about MJ's parenting skills since his death, I think he probably has this information somewhere where his children's doctors have access to it.

[daniel green]

snipped
You would think this has become America's favorite pastime trying to determine something about someone else's life that really has no connection to them. .[/B]

Not even close. There are not many ppl even following the story at all.

[daniel green]

snipped
You know I didn't realize that Nicole Richie was Lionel Richie's daughter, and would never have thought she was 1/2 black until I found out who's daughter she was.

NR was adopted by Lionel Ritchie and his wife.

[GentleBreeze]

I thought it was rather funny how you bashed the media for the coverage and those that are speculating....then you post a link on the very subject.! LOL

I don't withhold links if I have them available to me just because my opinion is the media will not leave these children alone.

I try to share any current link with all posters.


imo

[GentleBreeze]

Not even close. There are not many ppl even following the story at all.

Oh I think the Neilson ratings differs with that assumption and it is all up and down the net.

imo

[retiredcop]

I thought it was rather funny how you bashed the media for the coverage and those that are speculating....then you post a link on the very subject.! LOL

I found that humorous too. LOL I don't believe Mr Jackson had a romance with this woman and I don't believe she is the surrogate. There is no resemblance between her and Blanket at all.

in my opinion

[retiredcop]

Oh I think the Neilson ratings differs with that assumption and it is all up and down the net.

imo

I don't think the public is following this much at all. Health care and the status of the economy are much more important.

in my opinion

[GentleBreeze]

I don't think the public is following this much at all. Health care and the status of the economy are much more important.

in my opinion

Hmmm maybe they are interested in both things.

It seems there are many very interested in anything to do with MJ.

http://www.nytimes.com/pages/books/bestseller/

Hardcover Nonfiction
Top 5 at a Glance
1. CULTURE OF CORRUPTION, by Michelle Malkin
2. LIBERTY AND TYRANNY, by Mark R. Levin
3. OUTLIERS, by Malcolm Gladwell
4. CATASTROPHE, by Dick Morris and Eileen McGann
5. UNMASKED, by Ian Halperin

[GentleBreeze]

IMO A year from now...the name Michael Jackson will again be just a punchline.

LOL! They said the same thing about Elvis too.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

IMO Where I live, it's summer time. Personally, I like a nice easy, cheesy read while at the beach.

Then I guess it is safe to say you are not reading one of the top five that is listed.

:smile:

[who_is_it]

Hmmm maybe they are interested in both things.

It seems there are many very interested in anything to do with MJ.

http://www.nytimes.com/pages/books/bestseller/

Hardcover Nonfiction
Top 5 at a Glance
1. CULTURE OF CORRUPTION, by Michelle Malkin
2. LIBERTY AND TYRANNY, by Mark R. Levin
3. OUTLIERS, by Malcolm Gladwell
4. CATASTROPHE, by Dick Morris and Eileen McGann
5. UNMASKED, by Ian Halperin

Unfortunately the book contains new claims I don't believe in... but at least it sets the record straight about past allegations.

[retiredcop]

Hmmm maybe they are interested in both things.

It seems there are many very interested in anything to do with MJ.

http://www.nytimes.com/pages/books/bestseller/

Hardcover Nonfiction
Top 5 at a Glance
1. CULTURE OF CORRUPTION, by Michelle Malkin
2. LIBERTY AND TYRANNY, by Mark R. Levin
3. OUTLIERS, by Malcolm Gladwell
4. CATASTROPHE, by Dick Morris and Eileen McGann
5. UNMASKED, by Ian Halperin

I take it this is important for you. I would think you would want the attention to calm down for the sake of the children.

my opinion of cours

[flipflop]

The media will never leave these poor children alone. It really isn't anyone else's business who their bio parents are but theirs.

You would think this has become America's favorite pastime trying to determine something about someone else's life that really has no connection to them. It is madness imo and cruel to these children who just lost their father a little over a month ago.

But it never seems to end...

This is supposed to be Blanket's mother.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2019498/blanket_jacksons_mother_is_a_uk_doctor.html?cat=2

Blanket Jackson's Mother is a UK Doctor

A source close to the Jackson family has revealed to our investigators that Blanket Jackson's biological mother is in fact 32 year old Brit, Dr Susan Essien Etok.

The London based beauty, had a brief "secret" romance with Jackson in 2001, before agreeing to becoming his surrogate mother.

Wasn't a Susan mentioned in the phone conversations with Glenda?

[who_is_it]

Wasn't a Susan mentioned in the phone conversations with Glenda?

As far as I remember a Kathy, Tatum (O'Neal) and Diana were mentioned.

[flipflop]

As far as I remember a Kathy, Tatum (O'Neal) and Diana were mentioned.

Ok thank you. I think I confused Susan with Kathy.

[GentleBreeze]

Bolding by me:

Then why pray tell do you do you continue to post things that aren't anyone else's business??? You are just as guilty of spreading these rumors as the media and the bloggers.

Listen, I got this in my email alert box and posted it so that anyone who IS interested can read it since quite a few posters seem to want to know the possible bio father or surrogate mother.

I do not withhold a link just because it doesn't fit my point of view. I think that would be rather chintzy of me to suddenly decide which link I will post and which I will not and I will continue to post any current link whether I agree with them or not unless someone has already posted it.

imo

[CinderL.]

Wasn't Blanket supposedly born in San Diego, at Grossmont Hosp. And an attny went and picked him up? I thought I read that somewhere. :shrug:

Found it.................

http://www.insideedition.com/storyprint.aspx?SpecialReportID=3123

[who_is_it]

UPDATE

Sources Deny Report That Mark Lester Fathered Jackson’s Daughter

"Longtime Michael Jackson friend Mark Lester is not the father of Jackson’s daughter, nor is he claiming paternity, despite a tabloid report indicating Lester says he's Paris Jackson's biological dad, sources tell PEOPLE.
(...)
"They twisted his words around. He's not claiming to be the father of Paris Jackson," says one close family source."

http://www.people.com/people/package/article/0,,20287787_20296936,00.html

-----
The video made me believe he spoke out... but I wouldn't wonder if the video was edited in a misleading way.

News of the world:
- successfully sued by Sienna Miller for violation of privacy
- successfully sued for libel by Max Mosley
- secret damages paid to Jo Armstrong (? whoever this is ?)
- successfully sued for libel by Jordan and Peter Andre
- successfully sued for libel by Kate Moss
- false Britney sex tape story

All information about the trashy, unreliable source NOTW could be verified by google.

[who_is_it]

former bodyguard Matt Fiddes dismisses Jackson gay rumors:

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Michael-Jackson-UK-Bodyguard-Matt-Fiddes-Tells-Of-Stars-Secret-Girlfriend-And-Drugs-Hell/Article/200907115327444

There are several video clips.

Matt Fiddes talks about a longterm girlfriend and also said the same like Akon: that Michael talked to him about girls he felt attracted to.

Further quotes...

... on the false allegations:

"We never doubted Michael, we knew he was innocent right from the start and what the real reason was, as far as we were concerned, was financially motivated."

...on his personality:

"I've met a lot of celebrities and they're very hard and strong, whereas Michael was very delicate and sensitive and caring. Too caring."
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Michael-Jackson-UK-Bodyguard-Matt-Fiddes-Tells-Of-Stars-Secret-Girlfriend-And-Drugs-Hell/Article/200907115327444

[who_is_it]

Sounds like splitting hairs to me...from your link

"Although Lester could not immediately be reached for comment, sources very close to the Jackson family say that Lester has donated sperm for Jackson and is a longtime friend, but he has never claimed to be the father of Paris Jackson, 11.

"They twisted his words around. He's not claiming to be the father of Paris Jackson," says one close family source."

Sounds like he realizes he has no legal standingin court.

on your FIRST post:

First I was: "Oh, no..., the NOTW, can't be true...". Then I thought the same like you: There's a video; so he really talked to them. But now I think it could have been edited. The article is mentions other stuff which is not part of the video. Knowing about all the libel suits against the NOTW it really could be they've made up the quotes imo.

on your SECOND post:

My personal belief still is Klein could be the bio dad. For sure neither Mark Lester nor him would have a legal standing.

[CinderL.]

Thank you! I thought I read it too ...just couldn't remember where.

You are welcome. I was sure I had heard that they had the birth cert.

[CinderL.]

Just wanted to add...I do not think Michael Jackson was gay.

I don't think he was either. As I have said before, I think MJ was into MJ. IMO

[GentleBreeze]

Wasn't Blanket supposedly born in San Diego, at Grossmont Hosp. And an attny went and picked him up? I thought I read that somewhere. :shrug:

Found it.................

http://www.insideedition.com/storyprint.aspx?SpecialReportID=3123

I am not sure if an attorney picked him up but in the article I linked it does say he was born in SD.

Excerpt:

A former Neverland employee, who wishes to remain anonymous said, "During the pregnancy, Susan was based in England and flew back to San Diego to give birth. After the birth, Susan remained friends with Jackson but Blanket and the other two children do not know her true identity."

[CinderL.]

I am not sure if an attorney picked him up but in the article I linked it does say he was born in SD.

Excerpt:

A former Neverland employee, who wishes to remain anonymous said, "During the pregnancy, Susan was based in England and flew back to San Diego to give birth. After the birth, Susan remained friends with Jackson but Blanket and the other two children do not know her true identity."


From the article that I posted.


Jackson wasn't present for the birth. But Dr. Schmidt said a lawyer for the pop star took custody of Blanket immediately after the birth.

[who_is_it]

Gay people are perfectly capable of appreciating the beauty of a member of the opposite sex.

<snipped>



This is true but I still think he was interested in women.

[who_is_it]

Another remark on the fatherhood claims:

What would be really strange about it is: IF all this happened (the phone calls, the laboratory....) WHY on earth did they never talk about the topic again? -- This makes the story incredible imo.

The essential statements of the video don't seem to be cut... but it IS edited, though. There are some cuts. Many other statements mentioned in the article are NOT part of the video.

[GentleBreeze]

From the article that I posted.


Jackson wasn't present for the birth. But Dr. Schmidt said a lawyer for the pop star took custody of Blanket immediately after the birth.

Thanks, I read that after I had already replied to you.

And that sounds right to me. I think he was not wanting to have any contact with the surrogate mother when she delivered Blanket.

imo

[frances1]

I have yet to see proof that MJ was not the biological father of his children. They do not look black but they don't look white either. With DR's light skin and hair, together with MJ's sperm could very well produce the beautiful skin color his childen have. I don't understand why MJ would seek a donor, when his own sperm would be more apt to produce highly intelligent and talented children. I fail to see why people would think that he thought his own sperm was inferior to anyone else. I don't remember seeing any report that MJ was unable to produce children of his own, so I don't grasp where all this speculation comes from.

You know I didn't realize that Nicole Richie was Lionel Richie's daughter, and would never have thought she was 1/2 black until I found out who's daughter she was.

Arguendo, I think you are mistaken. It is my understanding that Nicole was the child of a 'bandmate' and was adopted by Lionel and his wife at the time.

[GentleBreeze]

This is true but I still think he was interested in women.

I am beginning to think he had way more interest in women than some thought.:wink:

Even now after all this time and him dead, Lisa Marie has on her blog their marriage was not a sham.

And she still has such deep feelings for him even now.

imo

[who_is_it]

I am beginning to think he had way more interest in women than some thought.:wink:

Even now after all this time and him dead, Lisa Marie has on her blog their marriage was not a sham.

And she still has such deep feelings for him even now.

imo

His stage persona confirmed his interest in women imo. Otherwise no females in the audience would have felt the vibes. He has had a extraordinary aura which was also sexual. Someone who hasn't any idea of women couldn't create stage shows and videos like he did. I just think of something I've recently watched on youtube: He performed "Remember the time" when a woman with huge, attached golden wings appeared him from behind and enfolded him with her wings. Just the idea is ingenious imo.

[who_is_it]

Hmmmmmm Is that why either she or her lawyers released those pesky JC settlement papers?

She would sure look like a fool turning around and saying, yes it was all a sham...I lied. or better yet....I didn't know it was a sham, I really loved him....but was used. imo

This woman is so confident..., I believe she even wouldn't have cared about the public opinion if they had splitted one day after their marriage.

I won't comment on JC before I won't have read the specific book which I've ordered. Apart from this I believe he will come out with the truth once his father will have died.

[CinderL.]

Thanks, I read that after I had already replied to you.

And that sounds right to me. I think he was not wanting to have any contact with the surrogate mother when she delivered Blanket.

imo

But according to your article he knew the woman, so why would it matter if he had contact or not?

[CinderL.]

His stage persona confirmed his interest in women imo. Otherwise no females in the audience would have felt the vibes. He has had a extraordinary aura which was also sexual. Someone who hasn't any idea of women couldn't create stage shows and videos like he did. I just think of something I've recently watched on youtube: He performed "Remember the time" when a woman with huge, attached golden wings appeared him from behind and enfolded him with her wings. Just the idea is ingenious imo.


Geez, look at some of the actors that we now know are or were gay. Richard Chamberlin comes to mind. Women were crazy about him. There are many many more. Cary Grant etc.

[GentleBreeze]

His stage persona confirmed his interest in women imo. Otherwise no females in the audience would have felt the vibes. He has had a extraordinary aura which was also sexual. Someone who hasn't any idea of women couldn't create stage shows and videos like he did. I just think of something I've recently watched on youtube: He performed "Remember the time" when a woman with huge, attached golden wings appeared him from behind and enfolded him with her wings. Just the idea is ingenious imo.

It was so obvious that Lisa was deeply in love with him. All one had to do is watch her face as she looked at him.:smile:

Yes, they were and women were fainting by the droves at every concert.

Two of his best videos imo is the one of him and Lisa and then the one he made with Vanessa Williams, iirc......now those were totally sensual.

imo

[CinderL.]

Shoot...even Clay Akin had a flock of screaming teen girls!

There are probably hundreds that have had the girls and women going crazy, and we don't have a clue.

[GentleBreeze]

But according to your article he knew the woman, so why would it matter if he had contact or not?

Because he knew her but she did not live in the same country he did. He wouldn't have contact with her and he certainly wouldn't go to the hospital with the media watching his every move constantly like they have always done. He wanted this to be discreet and she probably did too. In the article it said she did not like media attention.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

DD obtained and released them. JMO

Why didn't I guess that. It should have been obvious who would do it.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[CinderL.]

Because he knew her but she did not live in the same country he did. He wouldn't have contact with her and he certainly wouldn't go to the hospital with the media watching his every move constantly like they have always done. He wanted this to be discreet and she probably did too. In the article it said she did not like media attention.

imo

Sorry, I am not getting this. Last I heard San Diego was still in the same country as Santa Barbara.... or was MJ not living in the US at the time of Blankets birth?

[CinderL.]

Rock Hudson........who'd a thunk it?

He sure had a lot of women swooning over him.

[GentleBreeze]

Sorry, I am not getting this. Last I heard San Diego was still in the same country as Santa Barbara.... or was MJ not living in the US at the time of Blankets birth?

never mind.

imo

[CinderL.]

never mind.

imo

I am sorry, I don't understand what you are saying. Blanket was born in San Diego. Are you saying that he brought this woman over from overseas to have the baby here in Ca.?

[GentleBreeze]

How did she get? If she was the first to release it...LMP or her lawyers handed it to her.

She wasn't a party to the settlement agreement!

DUH!

All sorts of ways to get it. DUH!

All parties are given copies of everything that was in the package including who received what.:rolleyes:

DD pulled the one she knew would stir the chit more.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

I am sorry, I don't understand what you are saying. Blanket was born in San Diego. Are you saying that he brought this woman over from overseas to have the baby here in Ca.?

Did you read the article?

Yes she flew over from her country and had the baby in SD.

imo

[CinderL.]

Did you read the article?

Yes she flew over from her country and had the baby in SD.

imo

Quickly, too quickly it seems. Sorry, I missed that. So, if true, another person comes into the mix. Those poor kids.

[retiredcop]

His stage persona confirmed his interest in women imo. Otherwise no females in the audience would have felt the vibes. He has had a extraordinary aura which was also sexual. Someone who hasn't any idea of women couldn't create stage shows and videos like he did. I just think of something I've recently watched on youtube: He performed "Remember the time" when a woman with huge, attached golden wings appeared him from behind and enfolded him with her wings. Just the idea is ingenious imo.

Do you actually think he has to have an interest in women to have the stage persona he had? LOL He was acting. He is an entertainer. He could appear he is sexually interested in women on stage and be thinking of something else entirely.

in my opinion

[daniel green]

Shoot...even Clay Akin had a flock of screaming teen girls!

Adam Lambert, too.

[GentleBreeze]

Quickly, too quickly it seems. Sorry, I missed that. So, if true, another person comes into the mix. Those poor kids.

It really is becoming clearer to me Cinder. I think Klein is the bio father to all three children that way MJ knew they each had the same bio dad.

I think he didn't get DR to carry Blanket due to her seemingly wanting more money at the time.

One really cant tell how a child is going to look or which gene trait they are going to pick up or how far back in their heritage it goes.

I see children all the time that look totally different from each other and don't favor either one of their parents either.

At least this woman is respecting the children. She has not come forward to jump into the media frenzy, thank goodness.

imo

[daniel green]

Oh .. I did not. I said the boy and his mother lied. Its not hardly bashing when its a fact of the case.

Calling them ugly inside and out? Like that, you mean?

It was a horrible post.

[GentleBreeze]

Link that LMP released copy. TIA

According to Lisa D. Campbell's book, Michael Jackson: The King of Pop's Darkest Hour DD PAID a DCFS worker who gave her a copy of it for $20,000 (p19)

JUNE 16--Michael Jackson agreed to pay $15.3 million to settle child molestation charges leveled against him in 1993 by a California boy, according to a confidential legal agreement. A heavily redacted version of the 31-page document, a copy of which you'll find below, was obtained by Court TV's Diane Dimond.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0616041jacko1.html


Diane admits herself she was the first to break the news -- she did it on her show "Hard Copy" at the time.

"When I was plying my trade as an investigative reporter the most famous criminal defendant I ever covered was entertainer Michael Jackson. Boy, did I cover him! From breaking the first news about the molestation claims against him back in 1993.......".

http://dianedimond.net/the-enigma-that-was-michael-jackson/

:rolleyes:Sheesh......she reminds me of Rita Cosby! Pay as ya go!

What happened to ethical journalists?

imo

[retiredcop]

I don't believe he was gay, but even if he was, who cares? Last I heard it wasn't illegal to be gay in America. Why is it the business of the world?

Where did I say anything about him being gay? I don't think he was gay at all.

in my opinion

[CinderL.]

It really is becoming clearer to me Cinder. I think Klein is the bio father to all three children that way MJ knew they each had the same bio dad.

I think he didn't get DR to carry Blanket due to her seemingly wanting more money at the time.

One really cant tell how a child is going to look or which gene trait they are going to pick up or how far back in their heritage it goes.

I see children all the time that look totally different from each other and don't favor either one of their parents either.

At least this woman is respecting the children. She has not come forward to jump into the media frenzy, thank goodness.

imo

Somewhere I read that DR couldn't have anymore children and that is when she said MJ wanted a divorce. Could be wrong, but I do remember something about that.

[GentleBreeze]

from your link:

A redacted version of the settlement agreement was prepared in connection with a May 1996 lawsuit brought against Jackson by the child's father, who claimed that the singer breached terms of the 1994 legal agreement during a June 1995 interview on ABC's "Primetime Live." During that chat with Diane Sawyer, Jackson and then-wife Lisa Marie Presley accused the boy of fabricating his tales of sexual abuse. Those televised statements, the father argued, violated a provision of the 1994 agreement guaranteeing that Jackson would not publicly accuse the boy or his parents of "any wrongful conduct whatsoever." As part of the 1996 lawsuit, a California judge ordered that counsel for Presley--who married Jackson in May 1994 and divorced him in January 1996--be provided with the heavily redacted version of the 31-page settlement document. (22 pages)

I rest my case:)

Which means copies were made unless you think she is the only one that had a copy and they just didnt keep a copy of what exactly had been sent to her.

LOL!:smile:

[GentleBreeze]

Michael Jackson reminded me of Joan Crawford in "Whatever Happened To Baby Jane" in his booking photo.

He actually favors his mother imo.

The high cheek bones, widened mouth and that same little cleft she has in her chin.:smile:

imo

[GentleBreeze]

I think Michael Jackson is paying for his sins now ;)

I don't think so. I think he has been released from the ridicule he received here on Earth and his spirit now soars free as the eagle.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

why would they redact their copy?

You're being ridiculous. imo

:biggrin:Oh sure they never keep redacted copies sent out. I mean they just memorize all the places it was redacted rather than making copies for their files showing exactly what was sent.:lol:

[retiredcop]

I don't think so. I think he has been released from the ridicule he received here on Earth and his spirit now soars free as the eagle.

imo

I hope all the little boy eagles soar in the other direction.

in my opinion

[GentleBreeze]

Somewhere I read that DR couldn't have anymore children and that is when she said MJ wanted a divorce. Could be wrong, but I do remember something about that.

Thank you, now that you mentioned it I do remember something about that.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

I hope all the little boy eagles soar in the other direction.

in my opinion

Well I sure dont. I hope their spirits too soar free as the great eagle,

imo

[CinderL.]

He actually favors his mother imo.

The high cheek bones, widened mouth and that same little cleft she has in her chin.:smile:

imo

I think his cleft chin was an added addition. IMO

[daniel green]

Michael Jackson reminded me of Joan Crawford in "Whatever Happened To Baby Jane" in his booking photo.

Come to think of it, very like her.:huh:

[daniel green]

That was a response to someone saying MJ only cared about boys who wre good looking. snipped.

No, it wasn't. And it was uncalled for and just, well, nasty. To say those kinds of things about a child. And it was not just one comment, there were several.


Very revealing, though.

[daniel green]

I think his cleft chin was an added addition. IMO

There is no doubt about that.

Heck, MJ even changed his lips.

[daniel green]

It's a good thing we are not going to get into religion. Mine doesn't get into an afterlife.

I daresay that no religion, though, would condone speaking ill of a child, particularly one who was ill.

[daniel green]

Unfortunately vitiligo affects the mucus membranes including any moist part of the body. snipped[/url]

I don't buy that. He had permanent eyeliner done, as well, and the eyebrows. And actual lip shape/fullness was changed. He had many different lip colors, as well.

[CinderL.]

Here's a link to the booking photo.

..........WARNING! SCARY!

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/mjmug1.html

According to this picture history, he added the cleft in 1991.

http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Jackson.html

[aproudmom]

:rolleyes:..thank god we go back to our normal thread tomorrow...

[daniel green]

According to this picture history, he added the cleft in 1991.

http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Jackson.html

Thx! He certainly did not have it before then. Or the dropped/square jawline.

[aproudmom]

He is NOT A CHILD. He is not ill either. He was cured of cancer with MJ's money, and is a perfectly healthy young MAN now. Does your religion condone twisting something into something it isn't, to suit your agenda?

IIRC out of his own mouth and his siblings said the same thing he was cured by MJ..it is on tape one thing no one can say is untrue..

[aproudmom]

Thx! He certainly did not have it before then. Or the dropped/square jawline.

When I looked at some pictures I remember when his face looked swollen was he not on steroids which would do that..can not remember the year just remember he was at some reward show with Liz Taylor..

[CinderL.]

When I looked at some pictures I remember when his face looked swollen was he not on steroids which would do that..can not remember the year just remember he was at some reward show with Liz Taylor..

Do you not even believe he had a bunch of plastic surgeries? The excuses for this man are incredible.

[aproudmom]

Here's a link to the booking photo.

..........WARNING! SCARY!

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/mjmug1.html

seen it many times..thanks though for posting it..man glad some do not get their hands on my drivers license...

[aproudmom]

Do you not even believe he had a bunch of plastic surgeries? The excuses for this man are incredible.

oh gosh Cinder even I know he had more than 2 I was asking because I knew his face looked swollen in a few pictures and wondered if he had to take steroids..I think he had many just like almost all the rich and famous do..not hurting me so never even cared

[aproudmom]

Do you not even believe he had a bunch of plastic surgeries? The excuses for this man are incredible.

Cin just read your post again I was not making excuses I do not care what they do to their faces or body heck Joan Rivers, she is the Queen of plastic surgery they all are pretty much..and usually look worse Bruce Jenner was bashed way back when he had a botched surgery and he was so afraid to have it fixed until IIRC this year because of what all the hurtful things said about him..to me it is them not me I just do not care who it is MJ or the President

[aproudmom]

I saw we had some religion talk and MJ is paying for his sins...well I sure wish they would start prosecuting all these so called religious men marrying 20 or 30 13 year old children and then having 100 children and letting the State welfare feed them and their compound..IMO they are pedos all of them.:thumbdown:...JMO

[Unperson1984]

IIRC out of his own mouth and his siblings said the same thing he was cured by MJ..it is on tape one thing no one can say is untrue..

According to Arguendo they're all liars.


:confused:

[on board!]

If some of you cared about your own looks as much as about Mr. Jackson's you may become Miss Universe.

[on board!]

Amazing! MJ is a proven liar, fraud, tax evader and deadbeat bill payer...yet you continue to condemn a child for the sins of his mother. You would rather believe Michael Jackson, a man that spends 365 nights in bed with a boy, the drug addicted, lying, fraud than a child.

It BOGGLES the RATIONAL mind.

Michael Jackson...role model to children everywhere.....HUGE EYEROLL followed by PUCKING.

Children? The rude teenagers themselves had poisoned minds. According to former witness Kiki Fournier they trashed their room, threw stones on the animals, threatened her with a knife, damaged carts, demanded extraordinary food. Cute and the type of a potential child molester? I don't think so.

You could think whatever you want about Michael Jackson. It's outrageous that you defend these shady characters.

[aproudmom]

Night..hope we get our normal thread back soon and all this allegation and trial stuff stops we had 2 warnings to stay on the recent topic and not the trial or the whole thread would be shut down....to me we all have our own opinions but this is not about a trial or and allegations from the early 90's perhaps a trial or allegation thread can be added for the ones that want to talk about that so the ones that want to talk about what is on TOPIC does not have to read the stuff all the time.and CW should not have to send a 3rd warning either IMO....SO we shall see I guess...

[aproudmom]

He's dead. Its my belief that Jesus died for our sins, and that MJ wasn't an exception. Thats the thing about heaven, and Jesus and all that kind of stuff.

I certainly don't want this to become a religious debate, but its what I believe.

wow ITA with you and I do not want to debate it but great post there Arg...BTW hope your daughter is doing well..:wub:

[aproudmom]

Thanks and thanks!
:smile:

your welcome sweetie..I have thought about you and your daughter since the other night..see I am not such a horrible person..I do care for others. and had never heard of someone being put out like that so thanks for sharing that..and being so strong

[retiredcop]

Do you not even believe he had a bunch of plastic surgeries? The excuses for this man are incredible.

Maybe Mr Jackson had so many plastic surgeries because he was trying to look more and more like Joan Crawford all along.:scared:

in my opinion

[on board!]

I don't buy that. He had permanent eyeliner done, as well, and the eyebrows. And actual lip shape/fullness was changed. He had many different lip colors, as well.

So what if he wear eyeliner and lipstick? Sex changing roles plays are common these days...., even on the internet some pretend to be male though they're female and the other way round.

[aproudmom]

o gosh I missed it they will release a Doc in October...from his rehearsals 60 million...AEG warns to sue Geraldo...ofgs they could sue tons of people I guess for mis reporting..

[aproudmom]

So what if he wear eyeliner and lipstick? Sex changing roles plays are common these days...., even on the internet some pretend to be male though they're female and the other way round.

I agree why does anyone care..why do people care how many plastic surgerys he had why do people care if he wore a mask..I just do not get it since when do we have the right to Judge others who we do not know....seems to be ok for other Rich and Famous stars but not MJ...:confused: WHY? is my question..

[Poochie Pie]

It really is becoming clearer to me Cinder. I think Klein is the bio father to all three children that way MJ knew they each had the same bio dad.

I think he didn't get DR to carry Blanket due to her seemingly wanting more money at the time.

One really cant tell how a child is going to look or which gene trait they are going to pick up or how far back in their heritage it goes.

I see children all the time that look totally different from each other and don't favor either one of their parents either.

At least this woman is respecting the children. She has not come forward to jump into the media frenzy, thank goodness.

imo Ya know GB.... I am going to have to agree with you on Dr. Klein..!! I have been studying his pictures for the past few days... It's his EYES... He has the same eyes that Prince Michael had when he was a small boy with that white blonde hair... Big, beautiful "laughing" eyes... Though Michael was their "Father", in every sense of the word... It is my opinion that Klein is the biological father of at least Prince Michael and Paris...

Poochie

[aproudmom]

I have wondered for some time since his Make-up and wardrobe stylist did not see any thing..I know she said he would have been changing several times and did during this full dress rehearsal..I would think they would see his arms, signs of being way to thin I guess I am going to hear even if they did they would not give a crap..I guess it does not matter now just thought of it several times..

[aproudmom]

Maybe Mr Jackson had so many plastic surgeries because he was trying to look more and more like Joan Crawford all along.:scared:

in my opinion

omg she scared me big time:scared:

[aproudmom]

It really is becoming clearer to me Cinder. I think Klein is the bio father to all three children that way MJ knew they each had the same bio dad.

I think he didn't get DR to carry Blanket due to her seemingly wanting more money at the time.

One really cant tell how a child is going to look or which gene trait they are going to pick up or how far back in their heritage it goes.

I see children all the time that look totally different from each other and don't favor either one of their parents either.

At least this woman is respecting the children. She has not come forward to jump into the media frenzy, thank goodness.

imo

the 2 perhaps Blanket nah I do not think so..DR had problems while she was carrying Paris is why she said she could not have anymore kids..ugh I am sorry but Klein anyone but him he gives me the creeps..
but you never know I guess..I just wish these so called friends would stop this..they never worried about the kids when they were in his care..I would hate to see those kids separated and I pray if DR does see them she also includes Blanket like she said she would...

one thing I keep wondering also remember when DR went into Klein's office before the agreement? I kept thinking ok it was his sperm and she was going to sign them over and then Klein would step in for the money..I know to much thinking...just found it odd her getting out to go to his office with the media all over the place...maybe I should just stop thinking to much...:biggrin:

[Rayosunshine]

Michael Jackson Autopsy Report: Toxicology Results Shows "Lethal Amount" of Propofol

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2038173/michael_jackson_autopsy_report_toxicology.html?cat =2


Do you think that's a legit report? i haven't watched any tv since Friday.

[aproudmom]

boy his dad must have been bad back then they did not track them like they do now...

MJ is very guilty of one thing and that is finding crappy doctors...JMO

Murray's father, Dr. Rawle Andrews, a well-respected Houston physician, now deceased, had his medical license restricted by the board in 1994 for prescribing "controlled substances and substances with addictive potential" to two patients for "extended periods of time without adequate indication," according to documents obtained by ABCNews.com

In its report, the board singled out four "dangerous" drugs that it would be monitoring for a five-year period: stadol, a painkiller often used during labor; nubain, a painkiller similar to stadol; phenergan, a drug used to treat severe allergic reactions; and talwin, a potent painkiller often used as a supplement to anesthesiahttp://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/MichaelJackson/story?id=8159604&page=1

[Mayasmimi]

Just jumping in here. Had a very busy weekend, so haven't watched any news since Friday. Bought a car yesterday and cannot find the box with my cds. My purchase today was a 3 disk compilation. Michael Jackson through the years. I grew up with his music and am happy to have him in my (new) car. I don't care about speculation. The man was a music genious. Odd and amazing. Not saying that I don't care for child victims. Not my call with regard to MJ.

For me, that is that.

Amazing purchase, though.

Just home from Sean Hannity tonight. Was great. Too worked up to sleep. Work in a few hours. Grrrrrrrrr!

[Mayasmimi]

boy his dad must have been bad back then they did not track them like they do now...

MJ is very guilty of one thing and that is finding crappy doctors...JMO

Murray's father, Dr. Rawle Andrews, a well-respected Houston physician, now deceased, had his medical license restricted by the board in 1994 for prescribing "controlled substances and substances with addictive potential" to two patients for "extended periods of time without adequate indication," according to documents obtained by ABCNews.com

In its report, the board singled out four "dangerous" drugs that it would be monitoring for a five-year period: stadol, a painkiller often used during labor; nubain, a painkiller similar to stadol; phenergan, a drug used to treat severe allergic reactions; and talwin, a potent painkiller often used as a supplement to anesthesiahttp://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/MichaelJackson/story?id=8159604&page=1

Very guilty of that, but those doctors? Wow. I actually know someone who seems to find doctors to prescribe drugs. They, as professionals, have to know what they are doing to this seriously sick in the head woman, if I can see it. She is pretty well off, but not even near Michael Jackson. Just your average upper middle class crazy woman. Doctor shopping, for sure. I don't know her well, but know a family member better. Everyone enables her and accepts the way she blames them...on and one and on.

Makes me want to scream. Some folks.:sad:

[mrsmcgoo]

boy his dad must have been bad back then they did not track them like they do now...

MJ is very guilty of one thing and that is finding crappy doctors...JMO

Murray's father, Dr. Rawle Andrews, a well-respected Houston physician, now deceased, had his medical license restricted by the board in 1994 for prescribing "controlled substances and substances with addictive potential" to two patients for "extended periods of time without adequate indication," according to documents obtained by ABCNews.com

In its report, the board singled out four "dangerous" drugs that it would be monitoring for a five-year period: stadol, a painkiller often used during labor; nubain, a painkiller similar to stadol; phenergan, a drug used to treat severe allergic reactions; and talwin, a potent painkiller often used as a supplement to anesthesiahttp://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/MichaelJackson/story?id=8159604&page=1

Aproudmom, your words: "MJ is very guilty of one thing and that is finding crappy doctors...JMO" This is typical behaviour of any addict. They seem to find the Dr.'s that have no problem enabling them in their addiction and Dr.'s seem more willing to do so if they get the perks associtated with providing them to celebrities. It's sad that this happens, but it happens all to often and just not to people who are famous unfortunately.


JMO

[mrsmcgoo]

Children? The rude teenagers themselves had poisoned minds. According to former witness Kiki Fournier they trashed their room, threw stones on the animals, threatened her with a knife, damaged carts, demanded extraordinary food. Cute and the type of a potential child molester? I don't think so.

You could think whatever you want about Michael Jackson. It's outrageous that you defend these shady characters.

Hmmm??? Why didn't MJ ask them to leave earlier if they were so unruly and "shady" as you call them? Why would anyone allow their staff to be threaten with a knife?

:ohmy: Quite a way to treat your staff in my opinion!

JMO

[flipflop]

Plans for a Columbia Pictures film chronicling the final days of Michael Jackson -- including footage shot at the late Thriller singer's last series of rehearsals -- are likely to be approved Monday at a Los Angeles Superior Court hearing.

The executors of Jackson's estate, John Branca and John McClean, negotiated the pending deal, in which Columbia Pictures will pay AEG $60 million for rights to the footage. If Judge Mitchell Beckloff approves the deal, Michael Jackson's estate would receive around 90 percent of the profits, with the other 10 percent going to AEG.

The late King of Pop's mother, Katherine Jackson, could voice any opposition she has to the deal at Monday's hearing.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/08/hearing-determine-fate-michael-jackson-movie

[GentleBreeze]

the 2 perhaps Blanket nah I do not think so..DR had problems while she was carrying Paris is why she said she could not have anymore kids..ugh I am sorry but Klein anyone but him he gives me the creeps..
but you never know I guess..I just wish these so called friends would stop this..they never worried about the kids when they were in his care..I would hate to see those kids separated and I pray if DR does see them she also includes Blanket like she said she would...

one thing I keep wondering also remember when DR went into Klein's office before the agreement? I kept thinking ok it was his sperm and she was going to sign them over and then Klein would step in for the money..I know to much thinking...just found it odd her getting out to go to his office with the media all over the place...maybe I should just stop thinking to much...:biggrin:

I think I read that even after the custody was awarded to Katherine, Debbie has been seen going to Dr. Ks office.

I think those kids are going to stay right where they should be.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Hmmm??? Why didn't MJ ask them to leave earlier if they were so unruly and "shady" as you call them? Why would anyone allow their staff to be threaten with a knife?

:ohmy: Quite a way to treat your staff in my opinion!

JMO

I doubt he knew about it. At times he was not there when they were.

He seemed to have all the patience in the world for children even those that were high strung. I noticed that with MC and he seemed to be a "Dennis the menace" type even when he wasn't in a movie.:biggrin:

imo

[Kathlb]

*respectful snip*

In its report, the board singled out four "dangerous" drugs that it would be monitoring for a five-year period: stadol, a painkiller often used during labor; nubain, a painkiller similar to stadol; phenergan, a drug used to treat severe allergic reactions; and talwin, a potent painkiller often used as a supplement to anesthesiahttp://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/MichaelJackson/story?id=8159604&page=1

When I had my accident, they had me on Lortab for pain and I also had to have phenergan for nausea. The pain tabs made me really sick to my stomach and dizzy. Sort of like a really bad case of motion sickness. When I took the pain killer with the phenergan, it was all fine. So it may have been he was taking so many drugs that it made him sick if he didn't take the phenergan also. Just guessing.

[who_is_it]

Hmmm??? Why didn't MJ ask them to leave earlier if they were so unruly and "shady" as you call them? Why would anyone allow their staff to be threaten with a knife?

:ohmy: Quite a way to treat your staff in my opinion!

JMO

It's true Star (now called Daniel) pulled a knife on the housekeeper in the kitchen. The kids were not even allowed to go into the kitchen... but did.
source: testimony Fournier, page 2587 - 2588

Michael Jackson didn't get rid of them. He tried but they came back again and again.

I don't want to go into more details because I've overexerted myself in the weekend discussion. Moreover it's unwanted to rehash the trial in this forum.

If you're interested in more information: There's a book by Ishmail Reed which contains the facts. I myself don't know the book which is called "Mixing it up". Here's a link which gives you an idea what the book is about:
http://www.counterpunch.org/reed06292009.html
(scroll down a bit)

[Mairi II]

I'm just finishing up a biography on MJ. It's very good but veeeeery long (almost 800 pages). I can't remember the author's name, but starts with a "T," I think. Just some things that stick out in my mind that I've seen talked about here:

- MJ owns 75% of the Encino "compound." Kathryn owns other 25%.
- MJ had MAJOR remodeling done so it doesn't even resemble the 5 bedroom home it originially was.
- Debbie Rowe wanted the divorce.
- Those genitalia details alluded to every now and then? Jordie (accuser) said MJ's testicles were blotched brown and pink (like a cow), his butt was blotchy, pubic hair is short and MJ is circumcised. When photos were taken of his privates, Jordie was right with the exception of one thing: MJ is not circumcised.
- It was a "real" marriage between Lisa Marie and MJ. He truly was in love with her. According to LMP, they had a very hot & heavy sex life.
- Elephant Man & hyperbaric chamber stories were planted by MJ's assistants on his direction.
- Whole nose was not a prosthetic device - but the tip was.
- Chin cleft result of plastic surgery. Started with masks at that time to cover it and nose job stuff.
- Because of bleaching creams he applied very liberally, he could not be in the sun... hence the umbrellas.
- Money paid to Jordie/his famly was not paid by insurance. It was a 'drop in the bucket' to MJ at that time, though.

Nothing real earth-shattering, just some stuff related to what's been discussed on here from time to time.

[who_is_it]

I'm just finishing up a biography on MJ. It's very good but veeeeery long (almost 800 pages). I can't remember the author's name, but starts with a "T," I think.

<snipped>



The author probably is Tarraborrelli (spellling?).

It's interesting that you read a book with 800 pages and don't remember the name of the author. The name of the author and his intention, relationship to his subject are the most important to know imo.

Imo this guy hasn't met Michael Jackson for a very long time. All I know is they were childhood friends. How does this person wanna know the facts and details of his life?

Furthermore it's Tarraborrelli wrote books about other celebrities. I conclude he's not motivated by the close relationship to particularly Michael Jackson.

[Mairi II]

The author probably is Tarraborrelli (spellling?).

It's interesting that you read a book with 800 pages and don't remember the name of the author. The name of the author and his intention, relationship to his subject are the most important to know imo.

Imo this guy hasn't met Michael Jackson for a very long time. All I know is they were childhood friends. How does this person wanna know the facts and details of his life?

Furthermore it's Tarraborrelli wrote books about other celebrities. I conclude he's not motivated by the close relationship to particularly Michael Jackson.

Well when you're reading a book on a Kindle, it's not like the cover of the book is looking you in the face each time you pick it up. It's interesting that you don't know how to spell his name if you're so familiar with him.

Of course anything that anyone writes about anybody has to be taken with a grain of salt. I should've added to my post that "your mileage may vary" and that I cannot independently verify everything...actually, anything... he wrote (I was curious, though, about the payout because I thought, for sure, the insurance company had paid).

[mrsmcgoo]

I think you are making a typical attribution error. Do you know doctors that do not prescribe drugs to their patients to "treat" them? I think the system is really crappy. People are pressured and forced to take drugs they don´t need and can get addicted to. That´s how doctors earn their living. Research in clinical settings is funded by drug companies and doctors make their patients take the drugs these companies make in return. imo


Actually, I am speaking as someone who has knowledge of drug addicts and specifically, prescription drug abuse. One can not turn this on the Dr.'s completely. Yes they are certainly criminal in their blatant disregard when they supply these drugs to addicts. But you have to
remember, MJ sought out these Dr.'s. He admitted as recently as Oct. 2007 in sworn testimony.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,304977,00.html

No one was forcing MJ to take drugs, no Dr. He was an addict for many years.

JMO

[Mairi II]

Good morning Mairi

I hope we don't resort to discussing the trial or old allegations but to answer your question :(

In all fairness to Taraborelli -- he wrote that prior to the information released during the trial.
Mesereau released this during the trial re: the Insurance Settlement from the transcripts:


"C. The 1993 Civil Settlement was Made by Mr. Jackson's Insurance Company and was Not Within Mr. Jackson's Control.

The plaintiff seeks to introduce evidence of the civil settlement of the 1993 lawsuit through the testimony of Larry Feldman, attorney for the current complaining family and attorney for the plaintiff in the 1993 matter. The settlement agreement was for global claims of negligence and the lawsuit was defended by Mr. Jackson's insurance carrier. The insurance carrier negotiated and paid the settlement, over the protests of Mr. Jackson and his personal legal counsel."

http://mjjr.net/content136.html

Actual transcript - p4

http://mjjr.net/downloads/documents/032205mjmemospprtobj.pdf

Thank you, Xenam!! :)

[mrsmcgoo]

It's true Star (now called Daniel) pulled a knife on the housekeeper in the kitchen. The kids were not even allowed to go into the kitchen... but did.
source: testimony Fournier, page 2587 - 2588

Michael Jackson didn't get rid of them. He tried but they came back again and again.

I don't want to go into more details because I've overexerted myself in the weekend discussion. Moreover it's unwanted to rehash the trial in this forum.

If you're interested in more information: There's a book by Ishmail Reed which contains the facts. I myself don't know the book which is called "Mixing it up". Here's a link which gives you an idea what the book is about:
http://www.counterpunch.org/reed06292009.html
(scroll down a bit)

More to the point, MJ had over 70 employees. If he wanted someone off his property, I am sure this could have been done.

JMO

[who_is_it]

Well when you're reading a book on a Kindle, it's not like the cover of the book is looking you in the face each time you pick it up. It's interesting that you don't know how to spell his name if you're so familiar with him.

Of course anything that anyone writes about anybody has to be taken with a grain of salt. I should've added to my post that "your mileage may vary" and that I cannot independently verify everything...actually, anything... he wrote (I was curious, though, about the payout because I thought, for sure, the insurance company had paid).

It's absolutely true that it's often the way you describe it: One reads a book, looks at it hundreds of times but doesn't know the author... I had this experience, too. I just became highly critical of anyone who wrote about Michael Jackson. So many authors just jump on the money train...

Btw, I've also ordered a book about Michael Jackson which is called "redemption" (author: Geraldine Hughes).

[Mairi II]

It's absolutely true that it's often the way you describe it: One reads a book, looks at it hundreds of times but doesn't know the author... I had this experience, too. I just became highly critical of anyone who wrote about Michael Jackson. So many authors just jump on the money train...

Btw, I've also ordered a book about Michael Jackson which is called "redemption" (author: Geraldine Hughes).

I'm going to look into the "redemption" book. Thanks!!

On this current one I'm reading, I didn't get the strong feeling that the author was an "anti" as some people have suggested. I don't care to read biographies that are so obviously slanted - that's why this one, from reading samples, appealed to me.

I do have problems when discussions between between are shared - like how in the heck does this person know what was said if it's between two people? That kind of thing. And there is that in the book I'm reading.

[CinderL.]

TMZ live at the courthouse.

Live -- Michael Jackson Court Hearing

Posted Aug 10th 2009 11:08AM by TMZ Staff

We're live outside court in downtown Los Angeles, where lawyers for Michael Jackson's estate are expected to go before a judge this morning.

The main issue -- the planned release of a Michael Jackson movie featuring footage from his recent tour rehearsals. We'll be updating live throughout the hearing -- which should start at 8:30 AM PT -- so KEEP REFRESHING for the latest.

[CinderL.]

Paris' Alleged Baby Daddy -- 'Nothing Malicious'

Posted Aug 10th 2009 10:03AM by TMZ Staff

Paris' Alleged Baby Daddy -- 'Nothing Malicious'We just got off the phone with Mark Lester, the man who claims he's not only the godfather to Michael Jackson's three kids -- he may also be Paris' baby daddy, thanks to a sperm donation.

Lester seemed agitated when he spoke with News of the World, expressing concern for Jackson's three kids and complaining he hasn't seen them.

We asked if he might go to court to try and force the issue. His answer -- there's "absolutely nothing malicious" about his intentions and it's "highly unlikely" he'll go to court.

As for whether the Jackson family has shut him out of the kids' lives ... Lester wouldn't answer.

Katherine Jackson's lawyer, Londell McMillan, passes this off as a "genetic lottery attempt."

[GentleBreeze]

Actually, I am speaking as someone who has knowledge of drug addicts and specifically, prescription drug abuse. One can not turn this on the Dr.'s completely. Yes they are certainly criminal in their blatant disregard when they supply these drugs to addicts. But you have to
remember, MJ sought out these Dr.'s. He admitted as recently as Oct. 2007 in sworn testimony.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,304977,00.html

No one was forcing MJ to take drugs, no Dr. He was an addict for many years.

JMO

I respectfully disagree. His addiction was forcing him to look for these drugs and he kept finding them because unethical doctors were willing to supply drugs to a known drug addict where they knew that it heightened his risk that what happened to him would be the end result if they didn't cut his supply off.

The addict's brain craves these drugs. They cant turn off that insatiable need they feel so of course they look for ways to feed that addiction.

Every doctor in this country has an ethical obligation to help those that they know are addicted. Supplying them with the drugs they know the addict craves and feel like they cant live without... is not what they are supposed to do ever. All of MJs doctors, who through the years supplied him with drugs, knowing he had an addiction problem, have blood on their hands. They did not help MJ, they only helped to shorten his life.

imo

[aproudmom]

:thumbup: nice post X and ITA there is a show on about this and the simplest thing can trigger a craving I never knew the smallest little thing could turn someone trying to stay clean and trying to fight each and every minute not to let that trigger such a craving..and the sad thing is the ones that loved them or were friends not helping only hurting them...

NG made a comment about why people defend doctors who do this but we want to see Drug Dealers on the streets dead...(just a matter of wording) and I had to agree with her actually..

[GentleBreeze]

:thumbup: nice post X and ITA there is a show on about this and the simplest thing can trigger a craving I never knew the smallest little thing could turn someone trying to stay clean and trying to fight each and every minute not to let that trigger such a craving..and the sad thing is the ones that loved them or were friends not helping only hurting them...

NG made a comment about why people defend doctors who do this but we want to see Drug Dealers on the streets dead...(just a matter of wording) and I had to agree with her actually..

And that is what some of these doctors are.....licensed drug dealers.

imo

[CinderL.]

Another Random Woman Wants MJ's Kids

Posted Aug 10th 2009 11:07AM by TMZ Staff

They're coming out of the woodwork -- someone else is trying to lay claim to Michael Jackson's kids.

A woman who goes by the name Claire Elisabeth Fields Cruise has filed a guardianship petition, claiming "I'm the biological mother of Prince Michael Joe Jackson II and all of his siblings. I am married to Michael Jackson but he is deceased. I'm engaged to Prince's biological father."

She also thinks she's the mother of one of Tom Cruise's kids.

Welcome to Neverland.

[CinderL.]

TMZ has a lot on MJ today. Here is another one.


Michael Jackson Tribute Concert Announced

Posted Aug 10th 2009 8:00AM by TMZ Staff

Michael JacksonMichael Jackson's London concerts never happened -- but maybe this tribute show will.

Events promoter World Awards Media GmbH announced Monday members of Michael Jackson's family and a "high-profile lineup of international stars" are planning a tribute concert to be held within a few weeks in the Austrian capital.

No date has been set, but a venue has been picked -- Schoenbrunn Palace in Vienna, where an outdoor stage shaped like a crown will be built.

Tickets will go on sale August 20.

[CinderL.]

Oh gosh. Too, too funny!!! :laugh:

And the circus continues. LOL

[mrsmcgoo]

Unfortunately MJ was not able to stop on his own and the enablers (including doctors) surrounding him thought more about the $ than they did the person. A drug abuser requires intervention -- and it is not that simple. A doctor has no business prescribing controlled substances without a thorough history of their patient. JMO


"Many people do not understand why individuals become addicted to drugs or how drugs change the brain to foster compulsive drug abuse. They mistakenly view drug abuse and addiction as strictly a social problem and may characterize those who take drugs as morally weak. One very common belief is that drug abusers should be able to just stop taking drugs if they are only willing to change their behavior. What people often underestimate is the complexity of drug addiction—that it is a disease that impacts the brain and because of that, stopping drug abuse is not simply a matter of willpower."

http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/understand.html


"Unfortunately, some individuals will not heed this warning and will choose to abuse drugs. And, at some point, fundamental changes occur in the brains of drug abusers that turn drug abuse into addiction, a disease state that, at present, has no cure. Addiction is not simply a lot of drug use; it is a disease of the brain that is expressed through behavior and influenced by the social context in which it was developed.

How do we know that addiction changes the brain? Technological advances have allowed us to see images of the living human brain. With these scanning tools, we can look at how the brain functions under normal conditions and compare it with what happens to the brain during and after the time drugs are used.

Recent scientific research provides overwhelming evidence that not only do drugs interfere with normal brain functioning, creating powerful feelings of pleasure, but they also have long-term effects on brain metabolism and activity as well. What happens is that at some point, drugs change the way the abuser's brain is functioning. When that point is reached, it's as if a switch is thrown in the brain, thereby resulting in addiction. This modified brain may help explain why many addicts say they are unable to control their desire or craving for drugs.

One might ask where voluntary drug-taking behavior ends and the compulsive disease of addiction begins. And can't addicts talk themselves out of this craving?

The answer is "no." By definition, an addict suffers from compulsive, uncontrollable drug craving and use. Treatment is necessary and effective."

http://www.nida.nih.gov/NIDA_Notes/NNVol11N2/DirrepVol11N2.html

Shame that addicts are so dependent on these drugs. It is really an illness.

JMO

[aproudmom]

OK not sure who was on the other night when I was talking about Bruce Jenner and how he has pretty much suffered inside for almost 30 years over a botched plastic surgery..I was just flipping through the channels and it was the one episode repeat were he talked about how afraid he was to have it fixed and he was referred to MJ 20 plus years ago...this really bothered him and it is very sad that judgmental people want to do this to anyone..VERY SAD..but Karma can be a ******* but someone buys it I guess to get kicks over someone elses pain..

Jenner is known best for his glory days when he won a gold medal in Olympics. He was also been ridiculed 25 years back, for having the first face lift and nose job...If you Google my name, the worst plastic surgeries of all time, or whatever it is… They’ve compared me to Michael Jackson,”When you asked Bruce to tell the reason behind his surgery, he always said,“I was just going through a bad time.

they do it to all of them..man they even messed up Kenny Rogers BAD DOCTOR I love Kenny he is still a hotty:biggrin:
http://www.topsocialite.com/the-15-worst-celebrity-plastic-surgery-disasters-you-will-ever-see/

[who_is_it]

TMZ live at the courthouse.

Live -- Michael Jackson Court Hearing

Posted Aug 10th 2009 11:08AM by TMZ Staff

We're live outside court in downtown Los Angeles, where lawyers for Michael Jackson's estate are expected to go before a judge this morning.

The main issue -- the planned release of a Michael Jackson movie featuring footage from his recent tour rehearsals. We'll be updating live throughout the hearing -- which should start at 8:30 AM PT -- so KEEP REFRESHING for the latest.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/10/live-michael-jackson-court-hearing/


I added the link to your post.

It seems that the Jacksons are never satisfied with what they get and always want more, more, more. I would like to see it released by Kenny Ortega who's professional. AEG has has the rights. The Jacksons should stop to challenge Michael's decisions for professional collaborations imo.

[mrsmcgoo]

I respectfully disagree. His addiction was forcing him to look for these drugs and he kept finding them because unethical doctors were willing to supply drugs to a known drug addict where they knew that it heightened his risk that what happened to him would be the end result if they didn't cut his supply off.

The addict's brain craves these drugs. They cant turn off that insatiable need they feel so of course they look for ways to feed that addiction.

Every doctor in this country has an ethical obligation to help those that they know are addicted. Supplying them with the drugs they know the addict craves and feel like they cant live without... is not what they are supposed to do ever. All of MJs doctors, who through the years supplied him with drugs, knowing he had an addiction problem, have blood on their hands. They did not help MJ, they only helped to shorten his life.

imo


I don't even know what you are disagreeing too! lol

I have stated that the Dr.'s should be held accountable.

Are you stating that MJ played no role in his addiction?

JMO

[mrsmcgoo]

What's even sadder mrsmcgoo is that the elderly abusing drugs are increasing. :(

Drug Use Among The Elderly

Drug addiction is a serious problem in our society and pervades almost every kind of person in the community regardless of age, sex, religion, and race. The saddest part here is when it is the members of the elderly population who become addicted to drugs. Instead of enjoying the remaining parts of their lives by relaxing and taking pleasure in life's little thrills such as taking on leisurely walks by the park in the afternoons and watching the lovely sunset by dusk, some of the elderly people choose to take drugs.

http://hubpages.com/hub/Drug_Use_Among_The_Elderly

The nonmedical use or abuse of prescription drugs is a serious and growing public health problem in this country. The elderly are among those most vulnerable to prescription drug abuse or misuse because they are prescribed more medications than their younger counterparts. Most people take prescription medications responsibly; however, an estimated 48 million people (ages 12 and older) have used prescription drugs for nonmedical reasons in their lifetimes. This represents approximately 20 percent of the U.S. population.

http://www.drugabuse.gov/ResearchReports/Prescription/Prescription.html

True victims in our society!

It seems easier to treat with medication instead of getting at the route of the problem. I do feel the Dr. shortage is to blame for this also, but way too off topic to get into that discussion. lol

The question I have felt that needs to be addressed is why didn't the LE do something about the Dr.'s writing these prescription back in 2005? They had the information, but failed to act upon it. That irriates the heck out of me. :mad:

I wonder if lives other than MJ's were lost because of these Dr.'s actions?

JMO

[GentleBreeze]

True victims in our society!

It seems easier to treat with medication instead of getting at the route of the problem. I do feel the Dr. shortage is to blame for this also, but way too off topic to get into that discussion. lol

The question I have felt that needs to be addressed is why didn't the LE do something about the Dr.'s writing these prescription back in 2005? They had the information, but failed to act upon it. That irritates the heck out of me. :mad:

I wonder if lives other than MJ's were lost because of these Dr.'s actions?

JMO

Just my personal opinion, they weren't interested in trying to help MJ and his addiction so they ignored it and the scummy doctors who supplied him with it.

They just did not care imo. They were too over zealous with the thoughts about putting him in prison.

imo

[CinderL.]

"Michael Jackson Court Hearing -- Live Updates

Posted Aug 10th 2009 12:01PM by TMZ Staff

Here's the blow-by-blow inside the Michael Jackson estate hearing. KEEP REFRESHING for the latest.

It's go time. The judge is on the bench.

The lawyer for Columbia Pics is there.

Billy Jean Jackson and Claire Elisabeth Fields Cruise are in the front row.

Katherine Jackson's lawyer, Burt Levitch, just said Katherine is all in favor of the Columbia deal.

Howard Weitzman, lawyer for the estate, just said Katherine and the estate have some conflicts -- not in full agreement regarding financial issues."


Who is Billy Jean Jackson???

[mrsmcgoo]

Just my personal opinion, they weren't interested in trying to help MJ and his addiction so they ignored it and the scummy doctors who supplied him with it.

They just did not care imo. They were too over zealous with the thoughts about putting him in prison.

imo

Unfortunately, this could be very true. Regardless of how LE obtained this information, they should have addressed it. That they did not causes me concern. They knowingly allowed Dr.'s to break the law.

JMO

[GentleBreeze]

I don't even know what you are disagreeing too! lol

I have stated that the Dr.'s should be held accountable.

Are you stating that MJ played no role in his addiction?

JMO

I truly and sincerely believe that no one gets up one day and sets their goals to become a full blown prescription drug addict.

I believe when Michael first became addicted the drugs he was prescribed were for legitimate pains, injuries etc. The doctors all know very well that the patient can easily become addicted to these type of drugs even if they were legitimately needed at the time. Imo, every doctor that has seen him in the past 20 years or more knew that is what had happened to MJ yet they supplied and supplied and supplied him more. By then his brain had changed and he had no wherewithal to stop the insatiable urge that his brain was telling him he needed in order to exist. He tried to get clean in 1993, iirc but it failed and to me why it failed was because the doctors once again were willing to supply him with what he was addicted to.......

So I blame the doctors who ignored this problem many years ago when MJ may have had a slight chance to be weaned off of it slowly. The others since that time only made it worse.

This was not an intervention........this was a prevention by these doctors.......from him ever being able to stop what he could not help that he craved. That is like putting a fifth of alcohol in front of an alcoholic and expecting them not to drink it. They knew this man was addicted yet they became licensed drug pushers.

imo

[mrsmcgoo]

"Michael Jackson Court Hearing -- Live Updates

Posted Aug 10th 2009 12:01PM by TMZ Staff

Here's the blow-by-blow inside the Michael Jackson estate hearing. KEEP REFRESHING for the latest.

It's go time. The judge is on the bench.

The lawyer for Columbia Pics is there.

Billy Jean Jackson and Claire Elisabeth Fields Cruise are in the front row.

Katherine Jackson's lawyer, Burt Levitch, just said Katherine is all in favor of the Columbia deal.

Howard Weitzman, lawyer for the estate, just said Katherine and the estate have some conflicts -- not in full agreement regarding financial issues."


Who is Billy Jean Jackson???

Yikes....

http://www.examiner.com/x-264-Celebrity-News-Examiner~y2008m12d22-Sheees-back-Billy-Jean-Jackson-sues-Michael-Jackson-for-1-billion-custody-of-Blanket

No seriously, is there a full moon today or what!! :ohmy:

[GentleBreeze]

"Michael Jackson Court Hearing -- Live Updates

Posted Aug 10th 2009 12:01PM by TMZ Staff

Here's the blow-by-blow inside the Michael Jackson estate hearing. KEEP REFRESHING for the latest.

It's go time. The judge is on the bench.

The lawyer for Columbia Pics is there.

Billy Jean Jackson and Claire Elisabeth Fields Cruise are in the front row.

Katherine Jackson's lawyer, Burt Levitch, just said Katherine is all in favor of the Columbia deal.

Howard Weitzman, lawyer for the estate, just said Katherine and the estate have some conflicts -- not in full agreement regarding financial issues."


Who is Billy Jean Jackson???

OMG! I think she is that crazy woman that said she is married to MJ and one of the kids is hers or some crazy thing.

She has made this claim before and the court pays her no mind.

We will see how this goes.LOL What a circus!

[GentleBreeze]

Yikes....

http://www.examiner.com/x-264-Celebrity-News-Examiner~y2008m12d22-Sheees-back-Billy-Jean-Jackson-sues-Michael-Jackson-for-1-billion-custody-of-Blanket

No seriously, is there a full moon today or what!! :ohmy:

I cant help but laugh but oh my it would be terrible to have a stalker like that.:w00t::ohmy:

Scary.

[CinderL.]

Yikes....

http://www.examiner.com/x-264-Celebrity-News-Examiner~y2008m12d22-Sheees-back-Billy-Jean-Jackson-sues-Michael-Jackson-for-1-billion-custody-of-Blanket

No seriously, is there a full moon today or what!! :ohmy:

OMG I forgot about her. Geez, she is a nut job.

[CinderL.]

And more about Claire, who is also in the courtroom. YIKES


http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2009/08/claire-elisabeth-fields-cruise-random-loon-claims-to-be-mother-o/

[mrsmcgoo]

A fight might break out between Billie Jean Jackson and Claire Elisabeth Fields Cruise, both claim to be married to Jackson and both claim they are the mother of one or more of his children! :punch: hammer:

How are these ladies allowed into the courtroom? OMG....how crazy can this all get really? :chicken:

[GentleBreeze]

A fight might break out between Billie Jean Jackson and Claire Elisabeth Fields Cruise, both claim to be married to Jackson and both claim they are the mother of one or more of his children! :punch: hammer:

How are these ladies allowed into the courtroom? OMG....how crazy can this all get really? :chicken:

Surely the Judge will put a stop to this madness.

I would throw them both in jail for fighting in the courtroom.

Let them duke it out over there.

imo

[who_is_it]

A fight might break out between Billie Jean Jackson and Claire Elisabeth Fields Cruise, both claim to be married to Jackson and both claim they are the mother of one or more of his children! :punch: hammer:

How are these ladies allowed into the courtroom? OMG....how crazy can this all get really? :chicken:

I was just thinking: "How are these women allowed into the courtroom?"..., then 2 seconds later read your same words..., LOL.

[mrsmcgoo]

I cant help but laugh but oh my it would be terrible to have a stalker like that.:w00t::ohmy:

Scary.

I know, same here, but it would be awful!

[CinderL.]

A fight might break out between Billie Jean Jackson and Claire Elisabeth Fields Cruise, both claim to be married to Jackson and both claim they are the mother of one or more of his children! :punch: hammer:

How are these ladies allowed into the courtroom? OMG....how crazy can this all get really? :chicken:

That is exactly what I was thinking. Why were they allowed in? I guess though if there is a seat anyone can go in. Man oh Man.

[who_is_it]

Surely the Judge will put a stop to this madness.

I would throw them both in jail for fighting in the courtroom.

Let them duke it out over there.

imo

C'mon, these are mentally ill people imo.

[GentleBreeze]

C'mon, these are mentally ill people imo.

Then they need to take them out and get them help.

They sure don't need to be disrupting a courtroom.

This IS crazy.........I do agree with that and just watch the media will follow these two uhh....ummm...mothers and interview them. lol

imo

[mrsmcgoo]

I was just thinking: "How are these women allowed into the courtroom?"..., then 2 seconds later read your same words..., LOL.

Was thinking the next TMZ headline:

TMZ has outed Billie Jean Jackson and Claire Elisabeth Fields Cruise and they are being dragged out of the courtroom at this very moment !!"

Stay tuned for a live interview from Billie Jean Jackson and Claire Elisabeth Fields Cruise

This is a joke everybody, not really happening! Just trying to lighten the thread today lol

JMO

[GentleBreeze]

That is exactly what I was thinking. Why were they allowed in? I guess though if there is a seat anyone can go in. Man oh Man.

Yes, it is a public courtroom so if there is a seat they can have it. I bet they got there first thing this morning.

imo

[mrsmcgoo]

C'mon, these are mentally ill people imo.

You are right, but they can also be very dangerous.

JMO

[GentleBreeze]

Was thinking the next TMZ headline:

TMZ has outed Billie Jean Jackson and Claire Elisabeth Fields Cruise and they are being dragged out of the courtroom at this very moment !!"

Stay tuned for a live interview from Billie Jean Jackson and Claire Elisabeth Fields Cruise

This is a joke everybody, not really happening! Just trying to lighten the thread today lol

JMO


:biggrin: Good one but it may come true.:biggrin: I can imagine them holding interviews with these two women.

imo

[CinderL.]

update from TMZ

UPDATE: The judge wants to review some docs. Recess till 10:30 AM PT.

UPDATE: The judge just ordered that Katherine keep quiet about what's in the various AEG agreements. It's interesting ... Katherine's lawyer said she might want to use the AEG agreement in a non-probate proceeding. The lawyer didn't say -- but could this be the precursor to a wrongful death suit
?

[CinderL.]

Was thinking the next TMZ headline:

TMZ has outed Billie Jean Jackson and Claire Elisabeth Fields Cruise and they are being dragged out of the courtroom at this very moment !!"

Stay tuned for a live interview from Billie Jean Jackson and Claire Elisabeth Fields Cruise

This is a joke everybody, not really happening! Just trying to lighten the thread today lol

JMO:laugh::laugh:

[aproudmom]

Another Random Woman Wants MJ's Kids

Posted Aug 10th 2009 11:07AM by TMZ Staff

They're coming out of the woodwork -- someone else is trying to lay claim to Michael Jackson's kids.

A woman who goes by the name Claire Elisabeth Fields Cruise has filed a guardianship petition, claiming "I'm the biological mother of Prince Michael Joe Jackson II and all of his siblings. I am married to Michael Jackson but he is deceased. I'm engaged to Prince's biological father."

She also thinks she's the mother of one of Tom Cruise's kids.

Welcome to Neverland.

:ohmy:I guess we spoke to soon...FGS someone call the exterminator and get rid of the bugs...please tell me this is not the same one that said she was his wife and all the kids were hers and she wanted his body she even went to court at some point and a Judge pretty much threw her out..this is not the same one is it?

[GentleBreeze]

Well my news ticker said the Judge has approved the deal on the movie.

More money for the estate.

Good.

[CinderL.]

:ohmy:I guess we spoke to soon...FGS someone call the exterminator and get rid of the bugs...please tell me this is not the same one that said she was his wife and all the kids were hers and she wanted his body she even went to court at some point and a Judge pretty much threw her out..this is not the same one is it?

This is the one that is in court today. :laugh:

[who_is_it]

I truly and sincerely believe that no one gets up one day and sets their goals to become a full blown prescription drug addict.

I believe when Michael first became addicted the drugs he was prescribed were for legitimate pains, injuries etc. The doctors all know very well that the patient can easily become addicted to these type of drugs even if they were legitimately needed at the time. Imo, every doctor that has seen him in the past 20 years or more knew that is what had happened to MJ yet they supplied and supplied and supplied him more. By then his brain had changed and he had no wherewithal to stop the insatiable urge that his brain was telling him he needed in order to exist. He tried to get clean in 1993, iirc but it failed and to me why it failed was because the doctors once again were willing to supply him with what he was addicted to.......

So I blame the doctors who ignored this problem many years ago when MJ may have had a slight chance to be weaned off of it slowly. The others since that time only made it worse.

This was not an intervention........this was a prevention by these doctors.......from him ever being able to stop what he could not help that he craved. That is like putting a fifth of alcohol in front of an alcoholic and expecting them not to drink it. They knew this man was addicted yet they became licensed drug pushers.

imo

I would blame the doctors who INTRODUCED these particular drugs to MJ even MORE. I've have never heard before about someone addicted to anesthesia drugs. By my participation at the board I've learnt that's a "inner circle" drug; there are cases of addicted anesthesiologists. The one who came up with the idea to introduce MJ to this extraordinary drugs is to blame most imo.

On other drugs: Benzodiazepine which seems to be a common prescription drug in the US is sold on a black markets as a substitute for STRONG illegal drugs like heroin or speed.

[GentleBreeze]

:ohmy:I guess we spoke to soon...FGS someone call the exterminator and get rid of the bugs...please tell me this is not the same one that said she was his wife and all the kids were hers and she wanted his body she even went to court at some point and a Judge pretty much threw her out..this is not the same one is it?

Yes, and Billy Jean Jackson is also there.

imo

[CinderL.]

I would blame the doctors who INTRODUCED these particular drugs to MJ even MORE. I've have never heard before about someone addicted to anesthesia drugs. By my participation at the board I've learnt that's a "inner circle" drug; there are cases of addicted anesthesiologists. The one who came up with the idea to introduce MJ to this extraordinary drugs is to blame most imo.

On other drugs: Benzodiazepine which seems to be a common prescription drug in the US is sold on a black markets as a substitute for STRONG illegal drugs like heroin or speed.

He was probably introduced to propofol when he was having surgery. Or when he had minor surgeries in someone's office. IMO

[aproudmom]

Nope not the same one..wonder what happen to this weirdo..she even scared me..C-R-A-Z-Y

Nona Paris Lola Ankhesenamun Jackson demands "that all my husband's properties, monies and assets must be transferred to me immediately" and "my husband's body must be returned to the coroner's body or the mortuary immediately."

TMZ.com reports that the woman, who lives in London, had an active court case since December.

She goes on to say that Michael's children are hers and
her "husband" is with her relatives in the beyond:
:lol:

[mrsmcgoo]

I think before people get addicted to prescription drugs, they are prescribed to them by doctors.

I am speaking as someone who has knowledge of working with what you label "addicts". I was not working with people addicted to any prescription drugs before the treatment began. I treated them successfully without any drugs. However, as soon as they overcame the specific addiction they had, I was pressured to make them take antidepressants. The clinic didn´t want to lose any patients / money. I refused and was replaced.

Wow, I am so sorry that happened to you. I agree, there are many ways to treat patients besides meds.

JMO

[who_is_it]

update from TMZ

UPDATE: The judge wants to review some docs. Recess till 10:30 AM PT.

UPDATE: The judge just ordered that Katherine keep quiet about what's in the various AEG agreements. It's interesting ... Katherine's lawyer said she might want to use the AEG agreement in a non-probate proceeding. The lawyer didn't say -- but could this be the precursor to a wrongful death suit
?

This family is getting on my nerves. Michael was finally surrounded again by professional people. Michael loved professional, sophisticated work and nothing was professional enough. He held back a lot of his work over the years -- probably because he didn't consider it as "perfect enough".

Imo friends like Frank were closer to him than most of the family members (I'm thinking of Jermaine).

AEG and his friends have nothing to do with Michael's drug habits. He was addicted a long time before.

All these lawsuits and greed won't bring back Michael. I meanwhile doubt the motivation of the family. It seems to be more about money than about the loss of Michael.

[CinderL.]

Nope not the same one..wonder what happen to this weirdo..she even scared me..C-R-A-Z-Y

Nona Paris Lola Ankhesenamun Jackson demands "that all my husband's properties, monies and assets must be transferred to me immediately" and "my husband's body must be returned to the coroner's body or the mortuary immediately."

TMZ.com reports that the woman, who lives in London, had an active court case since December.

She goes on to say that Michael's children are hers and
her "husband" is with her relatives in the beyond:
:lol:

Another one???:scared:

[GentleBreeze]

Nope not the same one..wonder what happen to this weirdo..she even scared me..C-R-A-Z-Y

Nona Paris Lola Ankhesenamun Jackson demands "that all my husband's properties, monies and assets must be transferred to me immediately" and "my husband's body must be returned to the coroner's body or the mortuary immediately."

TMZ.com reports that the woman, who lives in London, had an active court case since December.

She goes on to say that Michael's children are hers and
her "husband" is with her relatives in the beyond:
:lol:

OMG! You mean there are three of these women?:w00t: No wonder MJ believed in alarms and locks.

While these women are comical it is quite scary to know they are people out there that are so fixated on stars.

imo

[aproudmom]

LMAO!!! Thanks for the laugh. :lol:

:laugh:OMG plenty of laughs and humor today...hey we all need a good laugh sometimes..I say put all these women in a cage and let them fight it out the last one standing wins a nice padded room at the local nut house

[GentleBreeze]

I think before people get addicted to prescription drugs, they are prescribed to them by doctors.

I am speaking as someone who has knowledge of working with what you label "addicts". I was not working with people addicted to any prescription drugs before the treatment began. I treated them successfully without any drugs. However, as soon as they overcame the specific addiction they had, I was pressured to make them take antidepressants. The clinic didn´t want to lose any patients / money. I refused and was replaced.

Well sometime a person has to make a stand, feelings, and do what they think is right. You did the right thing and it was an honorable and caring act.

imo

[aproudmom]

OMG! You mean there are three of these women?:w00t: No wonder MJ believed in alarms and locks.

While these women are comical it is quite scary to know they are people out there that are so fixated on stars.

imo

I know she even has some blog and is so weird I really thought they better watch them kids cause this women sounded and acted like a nut-so...even going to court...lol..:scared:


The woman who claimed she was the biological mother of Michael Jackson’s three children has re-filed her family law case in Los Angeles Superior Court

Nona Paris Lola Ankhesenamun Jackson, who has claimed to be Jackson’s secret wife, filed for a legal separation from the King of Pop in December and prior to that went public with claims she carried the pop star’s children, Paris, Prince Michael and Prince Michael II, to term - and called Jacko’s official ex, Debbie Rowe, an impostor.:laugh:

The woman, who has described herself as “a black Jew born in Britain,” also went to court in 2006 in a bid to lay claim to Jackson’s Neverland Ranch, child support payments and shared custody of the pop star’s three children. Nona Jackson claimed she’s known Jackson since he was a teenager, and that she’s written over 3,000 songs for him.

The lawsuit was thrown out in 2006 and rejected again in 2007, but the case wasn’t dismissed completely - Nona Jackson was told to make a better presentation of her evidence.
http://www.inquisitr.com/27988/nona-paris-lola-ankhesenamun-jackson-claims-she-was-mjs-secret-wife/

[mrsmcgoo]

Aproudmom, I agree! :ohmy:

These woman are really delusional! I can't believe they are in court....

Somebody had better step up and make sure the children and family is protected as well as possible from them. If they can get into a courtroom like this, I am certain they can get near the children.

Scary!

JMO

[aproudmom]

I think before people get addicted to prescription drugs, they are prescribed to them by doctors.

I am speaking as someone who has knowledge of working with what you label "addicts". I was not working with people addicted to any prescription drugs before the treatment began. I treated them successfully without any drugs. However, as soon as they overcame the specific addiction they had, I was pressured to make them take antidepressants. The clinic didn´t want to lose any patients / money. I refused and was replaced.

wow very sad but does not surprise me one bit..they have tried to put my son on depression medication for because his father was never in his life and I took him to talk to someone just so he knew it was not his fault..the first thing they said to him was we can just use it during the healing process...well my son is like his mom he looked at them and said don't even go there I will decide when or if I need that stuff..now I do take medication he does not he wont take a aspirin unless he is in horrible pain but the point is he stood up to them himself and told them NO if he needed it great alot do but alot just take them because they tell the patient it is safe to use it during a healing process then they become addicted to it or afraid to stop taking it due to the side effects they don't tell you all that stuff though..

One of his friends is addicted to pain meds..it started after the birth of her child when she um pretty much tore from one place to another..they gave her pain meds for several months and then cut her off she buys them now off the street...and she is a wonderful mom and wants help but she is a single mom with a 18 month old..and we can not find a place for her to go because of insurance..

[daniel green]

And that is what some of these doctors are.....licensed drug dealers.

imo

Right. They supply drugs to addicts who doctor shop and beg medical professionals they know for more drugs.

[daniel green]

:laugh:OMG plenty of laughs and humor today...hey we all need a good laugh sometimes..I say put all these women in a cage and let them fight it out the last one standing wins a nice padded room at the local nut house

That's a very hurtful way to refer to ppl with mental health problems.:sad:

[aproudmom]

Aproudmom, I agree! :ohmy:

These woman are really delusional! I can't believe they are in court....

Somebody had better step up and make sure the children and family is protected as well as possible from them. If they can get into a courtroom like this, I am certain they can get near the children.

Scary!

JMO

I know it is crazy..and this one has been at it for some time and I kinda think she needs to be put in a hospital if she really believes what she is saying..it is funny but it is also scary we don't know what a person will do..no wonder he had to hide them kids and know wonder DR was concerned they would be kidnapped..I am sure they have guards with them all the time since they are getting out I saw they were somewhere with Jermaine's kids IIRC I did not see guards next to them but surely they were close..

[GentleBreeze]

UPDATE: Now for our Maury Povich moment of the day. Billy Jean just stood up and said "I am Blanket's mother and I am concerned about what's going on." She added, "I would like for all probate proceedings to be halted." The judge was polite and told her she could submit papers. She's walking downstairs so we're firing up our live stream for your entertainment.

UPDATE: Apparently bootlegging of M.J. merchandise is a big problem. The lawyers have raised the issue in court.

UPDATE: Katherine has issues over the Bravado/AEG merchandising agreements.

www.tmz.com

[mrsmcgoo]

I know it is crazy..and this one has been at it for some time and I kinda think she needs to be put in a hospital if she really believes what she is saying..it is funny but it is also scary we don't know what a person will do..no wonder he had to hide them kids and know wonder DR was concerned they would be kidnapped..I am sure they have guards with them all the time since they are getting out I saw they were somewhere with Jermaine's kids IIRC I did not see guards next to them but surely they were close..


I think the family should be seeking a restraining order from these women. Especially the ones that have a history of this behaviour. In my opinion, they are unpredictable and potiently dangerous to them all.

JMO

[GentleBreeze]

The judge is talking about appointing a separate guardian for Michael Jackson's children -- to have their interests represented in estate matters. So Katherine and her lawyers would not be representing the kids in court.

http://www.tmz.com/

[mrsmcgoo]

UPDATE: Now for our Maury Povich moment of the day. Billy Jean just stood up and said "I am Blanket's mother and I am concerned about what's going on." She added, "I would like for all probate proceedings to be halted." The judge was polite and told her she could submit papers. She's walking downstairs so we're firing up our live stream for your entertainment.

UPDATE: Apparently bootlegging of M.J. merchandise is a big problem. The lawyers have raised the issue in court.

UPDATE: Katherine has issues over the Bravado/AEG merchandising agreements.

:ohmy: For real ?? Because really we weren't far off! :ohmy:

[mrsmcgoo]

The judge is talking about appointing a separate guardian for Michael Jackson's children -- to have their interests represented in estate matters. So Katherine and her lawyers would not be representing the kids in court.

http://www.tmz.com/


AMEN!! That is the very, very best thing that can happen for the children!

I pray he follows through with this!

JMO

[mrsmcgoo]

Oh dear, one of the women is really talking to TMZ right now! :ohmy:

[Firehead11]

The judge is talking about appointing a separate guardian for Michael Jackson's children -- to have their interests represented in estate matters. So Katherine and her lawyers would not be representing the kids in court.

http://www.tmz.com/


Oh I so hope that this is true to a point but also want any lawyer watched carefully. Big $$$$$$$$$ involved here.

[GentleBreeze]

AMEN!! That is the very, very best thing that can happen for the children!

I pray he follows through with this!

JMO

I agree. Katherine needs to concentrate on her appointment as guardian of the children rather than represent them in the Estate affairs. I am sure the Judge will appoint someone who is extremely knowledgeable when it comes to large and complex estates such as this one.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Oh I so hope that this is true to a point but also want any lawyer watched carefully. Big $$$$$$$$$ involved here.

Maybe in an estate this large the Judge thinks three set of eyes are needed.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Oh dear, one of the women is really talking to TMZ right now! :ohmy:

LOL! I said they would interview her and what happened to Ms. Cruise?

Is she still in the courtroom too I wonder?

imo

[Firehead11]

Maybe in an estate this large the Judge thinks three set of eyes are needed.

imo


I just don't want to see the same thing happen here that happened in the Anna Nicole mith case. You know where the guardian of Dannielynn billed the estate for hundreds of hours worth work that happened in two days type of thing. IIRC, he charged over 150,000.00 for his services. I would really like to see the childrens' interest protected from everyone.

[GentleBreeze]

Welcome back Fire.....

I am very surprised this was not done at the first hearing. Glad a guardian was appointed. :thumbup:

I think it is a good call.

Even though I am sure he thinks the two administrators are very capable if he gets a GAL for the children concerning the estate matters then he wont have to contend with Katherine trying to change and countering what is being done.

imo

[aproudmom]

When celebrities like Deepak Chopra, the Reverend Al Sharpton, Elizabeth Taylor, Madonna, Miko Brando, his mother, his sisters and his brothers all fiercely defend his honor and legacy, one realizes what a beloved person he was.

So the question is: with all of this love, not to mention the adoration of millions of fans around the world surrounding him, why did Michael appear to be so unhappy? Why did he feel the need to have countless surgeries on his nose, have treatment for "vitiligo" (an autoimmunity in which the body attempts to reject its pigment cells) that involved complete depigmentation of his skin, take so many pain/prescription medications, display bizarre behavior wear makeup, and sleep with children in his bed at his "Neverland" California ranch?

The answer lies within Michael himself. No matter how much another person loves you, if you do not love yourself, it won't make a difference. I believe that MIchael Jackson did not love himself.


But in the end, it was tragic that he was never able to fully accept and appreciate the love that was always there for him. As Deepak Chopra shared, MJ surrounded himself with "enablers" who kept his addictions alive and shunned those who cared for him the most. Addiction does that, especially to those who feel unworthy of love and support. Denial and escape become the norm. Unfortunately, this leads down a lonely road of isolation and despair that often ends in tragedy.

Michael Jackson will be remembered for the amazing trailblazing contributions he made to the world of pop music but through his personal story we can learn about the importance of love and self-acceptance. May he finally rest in love and peace
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joan-e-dowlin/what-really-killed-michae_b_223610.html

[daniel green]

My son was classified as learning disabled when he was 7 years old. We took him to a specialist. They interviewed us for 40 minutes -- had my son draw a picture; wrote a prescription for ritalin and then gave us an appt to come back. Needless to say we did not go back; my son NEVER took any medication. We placed him in a program (in addition to regular school) that taught him how to compensate for his disability. He is now a dual major in college studying Environmental Science with a focus in Chemistry and has always been an exceptional Science student winning many awards. It is just so easy for a doctor to put anyone on medication. It is totally ridiculous. :cursing:


Good for you!!!! I have fought against that Rxing of Ritalin without proper ongoing medical/psychological/therapies for about 18 yrs.

[mrsmcgoo]

I just don't want to see the same thing happen here that happened in the Anna Nicole mith case. You know where the guardian of Dannielynn billed the estate for hundreds of hours worth work that happened in two days type of thing. IIRC, he charged over 150,000.00 for his services. I would really like to see the childrens' interest protected from everyone.

That's very true, but what is worse at this point? The way I see it now, I think Katherine has too much control. She maybe very capable of billing the estate huge amounts of money herself.

JMO

[Firehead11]

Welcome back Fire.....

I am very surprised this was not done at the first hearing. Glad a guardian was appointed. :thumbup:


Well Thank You ! The lake was great but couldn't get on internet....:cursing:

[daniel green]

The judge is talking about appointing a separate guardian for Michael Jackson's children -- to have their interests represented in estate matters. So Katherine and her lawyers would not be representing the kids in court.

http://www.tmz.com/

Now THAT is great news!

[GentleBreeze]

I just don't want to see the same thing happen here that happened in the Anna Nicole mith case. You know where the guardian of Dannielynn billed the estate for hundreds of hours worth work that happened in two days type of thing. IIRC, he charged over 150,000.00 for his services. I would really like to see the childrens' interest protected from everyone.

Well unfortunately Fire, I think the amount charged is going to be much higher.

All parties are going to make major bucks that the children, KJ or the charities will never see.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

They appear to be suffering from erotomania. :wub:

http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=11346

I think these people can be extremely dangerous.

I am so glad that recently they are sending some of these obsessed stalkers to prison.

[mrsmcgoo]

They appear to be suffering from erotomania. :wub:

http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=11346

They sure do! Never heard of that before, but certainly seems to apply to these woman.

JMO

[GentleBreeze]

UPDATE: Recess until 1:30 PM PT.

UPDATE: Claire Elisabeth Fields Cruise:ohmy: is now at the podium in our live stream (below). She's the "other" one.

www.tmz.com

[aproudmom]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iFkB_v1PgxUXMcFwcrn881nii8WgD9A0622O1
Judge approves Michael Jackson film
By ANTHONY McCARTNEY (AP) – 53 minutes ago

[mrsmcgoo]

Wonder what are in those documents?

UPDATE: The judge has tentatively agreed to a protective order, which seems all the more interesting now that we know law enforcement is interested in certain documents, some of which are being held by AEG. The judge noted that law enforcement has the right to contact AEG or the estate directly for the info.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/10/michael-jackson-court-hearing-live-updates/#continuedcontents

I was wondering the same.

Was thinking maybe something about the medical exam that was supposedly performed here for the insurance policy?

Just a wild guess here though.

[Firehead11]

Wonder what are in those documents?

UPDATE: The judge has tentatively agreed to a protective order, which seems all the more interesting now that we know law enforcement is interested in certain documents, some of which are being held by AEG. The judge noted that law enforcement has the right to contact AEG or the estate directly for the info.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/10/michael-jackson-court-hearing-live-updates/#continuedcontents


There is speculation about needing those papers for a wrongful death suit also.

[GentleBreeze]

I was wondering the same.

Was thinking maybe something about the medical exam that was supposedly performed here for the insurance policy?

Just a wild guess here though.

I think it may be the policy itself. They always say that is confidential information and they don't have to give that out because it is a contract by the insured and the insurance company.

Wonder why in the world LE hasn't asked to see a copy of it before now if it is the physical or subpoena the doctor's records who did it.

I am not sure it is the physical.

May be the particulars of the insurance.

Does that mean LE IS looking into Joe's claim???:w00t:

[Emerald]

I don't understand the big deal about the insurance being paid to AEG. First, it's common entertainment practice to insure a contract. Second, why wouldn't AEG get paid for their claim?

:confused:

[mrsmcgoo]

Oh gosh -- sorry don't remember where I read it - but AEG claims they never got a medical report from the Doctor -- went to the Insurance Company and all they knew was that MJ allegedly passed with flying colors.

ETA: Found this article

"Insurers for the late pop icon's 'This Is It' 50-date London residency were astounded when the report they received from Dr. David Slavit declared the singer to be in perfect health, joking it appeared to have been "based on the body of an astronaut".

Officials at insurers Robertson Taylor were puzzled as to why the ear, nose and throat specialist's report made no mention of the 'Thriller' star's well-publicized health difficulties - including a severely burnt scalp, broken leg and extensive cosmetic surgery - and demanded their own tests be carried out before agreeing to insure his shows for promoters AEG Live.

An AEG spokesperson said: "AEG did not hire a doctor at any time in connection with securing insurance. Dr. David Slavit performed the medical exam which was submitted to the insurers as part of their underwriting.

"AEG has never received a copy of Dr. Slavit's medical exam. A second medical examination was scheduled in the UK when the tour arrived. The policy was issued in a fictitious name."

http://www.boston.com/ae/celebrity/articles/2009/08/05/michael_jackson_medical_report_missing/


Thank you for linking that ! I do remember reading that now. It is so hard to keep everything straight some days. lol

How about information about the drugs that were supposedly found by security hired by AEG? ( The ones that were supposedly dumped? )

Or perhaps even records or information obtained from the security company that was hired? Again...just wild guesses.

JMO

[PBJMOM4]

oh geez:

"In one of the wildest court pressers ever, Claire Elisabeth Fields Cruise, the woman who claims to be the biological mother of MJ's kids, just said Michael Jackson is the biological father of one of Tom Cruise's children!

Among other completely sane accusations, Claire alleges Connor Cruise is her son with Jackson -- but they gave him to Tom and then-wife Nicole Kidman because MJ "did not want his own child because of the color of his skin."

Claire also claims she conceived Jackson's three children with three different men -- none of them Michael -- and the embryos were "safely removed" from her body and given to surrogates to carry to term."

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/10/woman-mj-took-my-baby-gave-to-tom-cruise/

BWAHAHAHA Clearly she is out to lunch.
Skeery people out there!

[Firehead11]

oh geez:

"In one of the wildest court pressers ever, Claire Elisabeth Fields Cruise, the woman who claims to be the biological mother of MJ's kids, just said Michael Jackson is the biological father of one of Tom Cruise's children!

Among other completely sane accusations, Claire alleges Connor Cruise is her son with Jackson -- but they gave him to Tom and then-wife Nicole Kidman because MJ "did not want his own child because of the color of his skin."

Claire also claims she conceived Jackson's three children with three different men -- none of them Michael -- and the embryos were "safely removed" from her body and given to surrogates to carry to term."

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/10/woman-mj-took-my-baby-gave-to-tom-cruise/


OH lord, she needs some serious help. IMO

[Firehead11]

According to HLN News -- Autopsy Toxicology Report has been completed but is NOT going to be released to the public. :huh:


:crying: Maybe after charges have been filed? :confused:

[tiptop]

I'm sure TMZ will manage to find out. :biggrin:

[Firehead11]

I'm sure TMZ will manage to find out. :biggrin:


I hope they leave it alone until after the investigation is done.

[Firehead11]

Were you one of the little boys who was there?


Please don't be hooked into this discussion. It might get the entire thread shut down. Use your iggy button.

[retiredcop]

Were you one of the little boys who was there?

R U B B A speaks for itself.

in my opinion

[retiredcop]

Maybe in your world.

Yes, it's called the real world.

in my opinion

[daniel green]

snipped

All these lawsuits and greed won't bring back Michael. I meanwhile doubt the motivation of the family. It seems to be more about money than about the loss of Michael.

Oh, it is only about the money to them.

[GentleBreeze]

not knowing for sure is more scary. imo

Well it certainly can't be an accidental overdose imo or they would release it.

I think LAPD is very tense how this is going to play out in the city if and when they come out and say that MJ died by the hands of another.

If it is homicide LE knows they better have that person already picked up and in jail, safely secured, before they release it to the public.

imo

[ish]

IMO "romance" with any woman...lol

I have to agree, Tatum O' Neal wrote in her bio that he ran like rabbit when she came on to him. I suspect Lisa Marie maintains the "illusion" of a romance to spare herself the humiliation of being used for publicity during the first wave of molestation charges and Debbie Rowe, well, if they were actually having sex there was no need for all the fertility business. I doubt Michael's problems with women stem from his father, none of the brothers seem to have any difficulty in that regard and from what I understood, Joe was just as hard on them as he was on Michael. I think Michael created a persona of "strangeness" about himself, sadly he took it too far in someways. As far as the kids are concerned, he allowed all the speculation and conjecture, indeed he fostered it. He should have been upfront and above board with it instead of playing games, for their sake. Now he is dead and they have to live with the mess he left behind. Better to get the absolute truth out there with regard to parentage (if it's even possible), cause who knows how things will turn out for them, living with Katherine may turn out to be a nightmare, she already is getting involved with the estate and money, I think Joe is waiting to make his move also. I fear these chldren will be used as moneymakers for the estate. Katherine has several other children and grandchildren living on the "compound" and the Jackson's have expensive taste. They all have lived off Michael up to now, they're not about to start working jsut cause he's dead, not as long as they can squeeze a dollar out of what he left behind.

[ish]

from your link:

A redacted version of the settlement agreement was prepared in connection with a May 1996 lawsuit brought against Jackson by the child's father, who claimed that the singer breached terms of the 1994 legal agreement during a June 1995 interview on ABC's "Primetime Live." During that chat with Diane Sawyer, Jackson and then-wife Lisa Marie Presley accused the boy of fabricating his tales of sexual abuse. Those televised statements, the father argued, violated a provision of the 1994 agreement guaranteeing that Jackson would not publicly accuse the boy or his parents of "any wrongful conduct whatsoever." As part of the 1996 lawsuit, a California judge ordered that counsel for Presley--who married Jackson in May 1994 and divorced him in January 1996--be provided with the heavily redacted version of the 31-page settlement document. (22 pages)

I rest my case:)

I wonder if Lisa Marie ever sent her kids to visit their former step dad after the divorce. Would she have allowed her son to be sleeping in Michael's bed? Something tells me she wouldn't and if she had even considered it, I'm guessing Priscilla would have set her straight.

[who_is_it]

Michael's longterm friend and make-up artist Karen Faye still worked for him. They were together and joked around in the dressing room at the night before his death.

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/showbiz/2009/07/02/tsr.jackson.voice.coach.cnn?iref=mpvideosview

[who_is_it]

Geez - the other one showed up again too! (Video)

Billie Jean Jackson -- the other completely sane woman in court today claiming to be the baby mama of MJ's spawn -- just told us a "double negative" in the song "Billie Jean" proves Michael Jackson fathered Blanket with her.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/10/billie-jean-jackson-michael-jackson-blanket-video/

Imo the woman hasn't "totally" lost her mind because she always said "no comment" what's actually smart move if questioned by the paparazzi. Someone has advisedd her not to comment because she could face libel suits if she comments on the issue imo.

I've pm'ed you because I wanted to ask you for a source which you might have.

[aproudmom]

Wonder what are in those documents?

UPDATE: The judge has tentatively agreed to a protective order, which seems all the more interesting now that we know law enforcement is interested in certain documents, some of which are being held by AEG. The judge noted that law enforcement has the right to contact AEG or the estate directly for the info.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/10/michael-jackson-court-hearing-live-updates/#continuedcontents

omg wish we knew..

[aproudmom]

They did subpoena Dr. Slavit's medical records. His name was listed as one of the doctors in the warrants. AEG never got a copy of the actual medical report.

ETA

Never saw this before (8/9) -- Dr. Slavit is being investigated for possible insurance fraud according to this article:

The Manhattan ear, nose and throat doctor who declared Michael Jackson healthy enough to go on a grueling concert tour has been thrust into an investigation of possible insurance fraud, The Post has learned.

Dr. David Slavit, a Park Avenue voice specialist with privileges at Lenox Hill Hospital, gave Jacko a four-hour exam last February for concert insurer Lloyd's of London.

According to Slavit, Jackson was fit to perform, but needed medical monitoring.

"He passed with flying colors," said a source familiar with a subsequent insurance policy.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08092009/news/nationalnews/jacko_ny_doc_insure_probe_183703.htm

yeah he was on the list cause I missed his name and you reminded me of him also..wow wonder what all this is about..:confused:

[aproudmom]

:crying: Maybe after charges have been filed? :confused:

IMO I think so I think they are getting everything they need and then it will be released..someone on HLN said they may just not want to release it so no one knows who or what they are looking at..

[daniel green]

"He had the nose of a black male, and he didn't want one," Scott L. Spear, chairman of the plastic-surgery division at Georgetown University, told me. "He was a black man who wanted to look like a white Diana Ross." That's not a cut - just a clue. Spear's diagnosis: acute body dysmorphic disorder, from the Greek dys, meaning "bad" or "ugly," and morphos, meaning "shape" or "form." For Jackson, who died Thursday at the age of 50, it meant a world of pain. Ironically, Jackson had emerged on the music scene just as the "black is beautiful" movement was becoming all the rage. In 1968, the Jackson brothers made a demo tape in which Michael, then 10, sported an Afro and danced like James Brown. He was a handsome little man, black and proud. He had soul, and he was super-bad. And in a little more than 10 years, he would start looking like a white woman. Margo Jefferson, the author of On Michael Jackson, called him a "postmodern shape-shifter." But the history of race and skin color in America suggests something more pathological. Evidence abounds that self-loathing can have dire consequences.

http://www.philly.com/philly/entertainment/celebrities/49492787.html

[daniel green]

More than a month after the death of Michael Jackson, his family still hasn't decided where to bury the pop star.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/08/jackson-family-still-deciding-where-to-bury-michael-jackson.html

[daniel green]

Lost in the paperwork surrounding Jackson's death and estate is the remarkable resolve of Katherine, the family's 79-year-old matriarch. Last week Beckloff awarded her permanent custody of Jackson's three young children, with whom she will share 80 percent of Jackson's estate. As insiders debate Jackson's true worth, Katherine is also putting in place plans for who will get custody of Jackson's children when old age inevitably keeps the family's matriarch from being able to care for them. The executors of Jackson's will estimate that the king of pop's fortune is worth more than $500 million, but it remains to be determined just how much he is really worth. "You know there's a tremendous debt. There's a lot of misinformation as to whether his estate is $2 billion. It's not. It's $400 million in the hole. So it's going to take a little hard work and tact and people with knowledge to get it out of that. It's possible," said Jackson's manger Frank Dileo. The Los Angeles coroner has yet to release a toxicology report officially determining Jackson's cause of death, but investigators have said drug use played a major role. How Jackson died raises questions about whether the insurance policy taken out on Jackson by AEG will pay for a death related to what the policy calls "illicit use of drugs." While Dileo claims Jackson's debt cancels much of his worth, the Jackson family believe the singer's estate is worth billions of dollars and wants more control of it.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Business/MichaelJackson/story?id=8292843&page=1

[daniel green]

Isn't that just DISGUSTING!?

Completely disgusting.

Those poor children.

[daniel green]

Well it certainly can't be an accidental overdose imo or they would release it.

I think LAPD is very tense how this is going to play out in the city if and when they come out and say that MJ died by the hands of another.

If it is homicide LE knows they better have that person already picked up and in jail, safely secured, before they release it to the public.

imo

Huh??? :confused: Why would the city be tense? And you think there would be some sort of mob to get the doctor before he is jailed? :ohmy:

[daniel green]

http://www.etonline.com/news/2009/08/77387/

[daniel green]

http://www.etonline.com/news/2009/08/77395/

GOOD.

[daniel green]

UPDATE: This is really important. The judge just appointed a guardian ad litem for the 3 Jackson kids. That means they will have independent representation in court proceedings. The notion -- that the interests of the kids may not completely square with the interests of Katherine Jackson or the estate. It's not unusual this happened, but it's significant

http://www.tmz.com/

[GentleBreeze]

Huh??? :confused: Why would the city be tense? And you think there would be some sort of mob to get the doctor before he is jailed? :ohmy:

I thought Murray's own attorney said he has been threatened, harassed and can't get out anywhere.

So yeah if what his lawyer says is true then I think it may be very unsafe for him if word got out that MJ died by Murray's hands.

imo