8/9 to 8/11

[aproudmom]

Completely disgusting.

Those poor children.

what is?...

[who_is_it]

I thought Murray's own attorney said he has been threatened, harassed and can't get out anywhere.

So yeah if what his lawyer says is true then I think it may be very unsafe for him if word got out that MJ died by Murray's hands.

imo

I believe Dr. Murray is threatened. That's also what TMZ reported shortly after Michael's death. He couldn't attend the memorial because of threats.

[aproudmom]

The boy's father had excellent health insurance through his union. What wasn't covered, like the clean room at home, so he could actually go home was paid for by Louise Palanker. and the many deductibles were paid directly to the hospital by the Laugh Factory Club Owner by fund raisers. BTW All those comedians that actually know the boy, said he and his mother never asked for anything...it was their ABUSIVE father.

Jay Leno said they never asked for a dime

George Lopez said the father was bad news. The boy actually REFUSED to LIE for his father when his father claimed $300 was missing out of a wallet belonging to the boy and left at George Lopez's house. He father wanted the boy to cooberate the claim...and the boy would not.

:confused:I was talking about him helping out sick children..not just one kid..if it is one of the allegations by those families they were in it for the money IMO

[daniel green]

I thought Murray's own attorney said he has been threatened, harassed and can't get out anywhere.

So yeah if what his lawyer says is true then I think it may be very unsafe for him if word got out that MJ died by Murray's hands.

imo

For real, huh? :scared: And that the police think the city will be tense? :huh:

What the cops are saying is they won't release the tox report while it's an ongoing investigation in several states of several docs.

[GentleBreeze]

For real, huh? :scared: And that the police think the city will be tense? :huh:

What the cops are saying is they won't release the tox report while it's an ongoing investigation in several states of several docs.

Where did they say that?

Yes, if charges are going to be brought against Murray, I do think they have thought about his safety and from what his attorney has said they most certainly should. Hopefully nothing happens but they should be prepared and I think they will be.

imo

[who_is_it]

Why would they sue when they lost so miserably in the criminal trial? Isn't that like a glutton for punishment? All the defense attorneys would have done is bring every story he ever told right over into the civil trial including Ma's wrongdoings and going to a civil attorney before the allegation were even made.:shrug: They dang sure knew this time MJ wouldn't agree to pay them a plug nickel.

Imo, they didn't sue because they didn't have a case.

imo

According to the "Smoking Gun" they've had the intention to sue. It could be proved by a phone call recorded on tape.

[aproudmom]

-------------

i guess they r still trying to find out where they can make the most money off of his body. imo


I have seen were some were on ice for months..just 2 ANS son and ANS...how long did they fight over James Browns body...I do not think they will release his burial place anyway..and I think that is horrible to say money over his body ? did I miss a link somewhere:confused:

[flipflop]

Billy Jean: I Want to Bond With Blanket

Posted Aug 10th 2009 7:50PM by TMZ Staff

Billie Jean Jackson is bound and determined to be a part of Blanket's life -- she just filed legal papers, begging the court to give her three days a week with Michael Jackson's youngest son.

Billie Jean asks the court to grant her three wishes:

1) Hire a handwriting expert to check Michael's will for forgeries
2) Not to be arrested by Katherine Jackson or John Branca
3) Get to visit Blanket every Friday, Saturday and Sunday at 2 PM

And there's this: "MICHAEL JACKSON IS GOD, and GOD cannot die, yet his ESTATE is in this probate court."


http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/10/billy-jean-michael-jackson-blanket-visitation/

Has this been posted? What is this all about? I haven't been on the board all day.

[GentleBreeze]

I have seen were some were on ice for months..just 2 ANS son and ANS...how long did they fight over James Browns body...I do not think they will release his burial place anyway..and I think that is horrible to say money over his body ? did I miss a link somewhere:confused:

It seems that he may be already buried at Forest Lawn.

I have no idea what some mean about making money.

Even if there was a place to go it would be no different than the millions who flock to Graceland each year to pay their respects to Elvis.

imo

[aproudmom]

Yeah..okay. Too bad ya never took the time to actually read the transcripts. Sounds like ya just listened to the defenses opening statement and the lies manufactured on the fan sites that get regurgitated here.

actually we have been told 2 times the trial and allegations are not the topic of this thread by CW..not sure if her warning is still up or not..but just a reminder..I think there is one somewhere though someone posted it the other night

[GentleBreeze]

Yeah..okay. Too bad ya never took the time to actually read the transcripts. Sounds like ya just listened to the defenses opening statement and the lies manufactured on the fan sites that get regurgitated here.

Oh but I did read them and I even predicted that the jury was never going to find MJ guilty because Sneddon had no case and surprise, surprise I didn't listen to DD so I wasn't shocked when the verdict was handed down.

The jury got it right.

imo

[daniel green]

Where did they say that?

Yes, if charges are going to be brought against Murray, I do think they have thought about his safety and from what his attorney has said they most certainly should. Hopefully nothing happens but they should be prepared and I think they will be.

imo

UPDATE: The LAPD released a statement saying they asked the Coroner's Office to hold off on releasing the results. The LAPD says the "investigation being conducted by the LAPD has included dozens of individual interviews and the service of search warrants locally and out of-state."

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/10/michael-jackson-autopsy-complete/

I think that the idea that LAPD are worried about unrest or harm coming to Murray and/or the other docs is bizarre.

[aproudmom]

It seems that he may be already buried at Forest Lawn.

I have no idea what some mean about making money.

Even if there was a place to go it would be no different than the millions who flock to Graceland each year to pay their respects to Elvis.

imo

because it is MJ ...GB that is why and it is sad..and IIRC it has come out that he is buried already..is this the one his grandmother is at? if so that is where I heard can not remember if it was on TV or a link but it was a friend of the family..so I don't know for sure just do not see why anyone cares..such a ridiculous topic IMO...

[who_is_it]

Then link it

It was already quoted and linked. #768, 8/6 - 8/9

[CinderL.]

Me too! Besides...isn't he holed up in Texas anyway?

I don't think the LAPD is too worried either. IMO Last we heard he was in Vegas. But, who knows. All I know is that I bet he wished he hadn't been so open with LAPD in his interviews.

[GentleBreeze]

actually we have been told 2 times the trial and allegations are not the topic of this thread by CW..not sure if her warning is still up or not..but just a reminder..I think there is one somewhere though someone posted it the other night

Yes, we most certainly have been told and I am going to refrain from replying to anymore of the irrelevant old stuff years back. Thanks for the reminder.

I thought the trial posters had their own thread though anyway but I just went and looked and it is gone? What happened to get that thread pulled?

Well anyway it has been an eventful day with those two women showing up in court. :biggrin: I am glad that this Judge moves things along at a quick pace. I think they are back in court on the 24th, aren't they?

imo

[GentleBreeze]

I don't think the LAPD is too worried either. IMO Last we heard he was in Vegas. But, who knows. All I know is that I bet he wished he hadn't been so open with LAPD in his interviews.

I am sure he will. Not only did he admit that he administered the diprivan but he also gave the ER doctors a list of medications MJ was on.

imo

[CinderL.]

or depending on how open and if a deal was made.............it may be the smarted thing he could do? Who knows.

All I know...it's gonna be a long, drawn out, hot mess!

Yeah, could be a deal....if not, yikes. And you are right, it is going to be longer than the ANS stuff. And it is still going on. :huh:

[aproudmom]

Oh but I did read them and I even predicted that the jury was never going to find MJ guilty because Sneddon had no case and surprise, surprise I didn't listen to DD so I wasn't shocked when the verdict was handed down.

The jury got it right.

imo

I think I will go with your opinion since I have not read everything..and know you as a pretty darn good poster....

[CinderL.]

I am sure he will. Not only did he admit that he administered the diprivan but he also gave the ER doctors a list of medications MJ was on.

imo

The weird thing about the second interview is that his attny. was with him.

[daniel green]

because it is MJ ...GB that is why and it is sad..and IIRC it has come out that he is buried already..snipped..

Not yet.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/08/jackson-family-still-deciding-where-to-bury-michael-jackson.html

[aproudmom]

I am sure he will. Not only did he admit that he administered the diprivan but he also gave the ER doctors a list of medications MJ was on.

imo

He was in Vegas last I read..so he was the one that said he gave it to him right after or after they raided the place and found it in the closet...

[GentleBreeze]

I think I will go with your opinion since I have not read everything..and know you as a pretty darn good poster....

You are quite a lovely poster yourself, mom. You are always gracious, thoughtful and kind. Quite refreshing actually.

TY.

[Gilly]

Not yet.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/08/jackson-family-still-deciding-where-to-bury-michael-jackson.html

Maybe he is.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Michael-Jackson-Buried-Body-Laid-To-Rest-At-Forest-Lawn-Ceremony/Article/200908215357472?lpos=World_News_Top_Stories_Header _3&lid=ARTICLE_15357472_Michael_Jackson_Buried%3A_Bod y_Laid_To_Rest_At_Forest_Lawn_Ceremony

[GentleBreeze]

He was in Vegas last I read..so he was the one that said he gave it to him right after or after they raided the place and found it in the closet...

I wonder if he is back at his Texas medical office again.

The poor man has to try to make some money to pay his bills.

Does his wife live in LV or Texas?

imo

[CinderL.]

I really feel very sorry for those women that showed up today. In their minds...their children were taken from them. How sad.

It is sad. But, I heard that they sat together, I wonder what they talked about. That would have been interesting. :ohmy:

[aproudmom]

Not yet.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/08/jackson-family-still-deciding-where-to-bury-michael-jackson.html

I do not believe everything I read...unless it comes out of a mouth no sources or write ups..his mother was worried about his body so they sure are not going to say right now..and I thought Jermaine did a great interview but he didn't seem to not know to much..so for all we know or he knows MJ has been laid to rest...


Jermaine Jackson did not say where his mother would like Michael buried. And the interview did not address the issue of where Jackson's body is currently being kept -- an issue of some tabloid speculation.

[GentleBreeze]

Billy Jean: I Want to Bond With Blanket

Posted Aug 10th 2009 7:50PM by TMZ Staff

Billie Jean Jackson is bound and determined to be a part of Blanket's life -- she just filed legal papers, begging the court to give her three days a week with Michael Jackson's youngest son.

Billie Jean asks the court to grant her three wishes:

1) Hire a handwriting expert to check Michael's will for forgeries
2) Not to be arrested by Katherine Jackson or John Branca
3) Get to visit Blanket every Friday, Saturday and Sunday at 2 PM

And there's this: "MICHAEL JACKSON IS GOD, and GOD cannot die, yet his ESTATE is in this probate court."


http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/10/billy-jean-michael-jackson-blanket-visitation/

Has this been posted? What is this all about? I haven't been on the board all day.

Here is some more information on Billy Jean Jackson.


"The Michael Jackson song clearly spells out that Billie Jean is not his lover. But that didn't stop a Santa Maria woman named Billie Jean Jackson from allegedly trying to get through the gates of Neverland Ranch on Monday evening by claiming she was Jackson's wife.

Jackson, 60, told a security guard at the front gate of the ranch that she was Jackson's wife and this was her ranch, too, reported the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department.

The guard, who had arrested Jackson multiple times before on suspicion of trespassing, turned her away.

Jackson moved a few yards down the road and climbed over a fence, the sheriff's department reported. She was then detained by security.

------------------------------------

"Billie Jean Jackson" (also known as "Lavon A. Muhammad") has a long-running history of trespassing Michael Jackson's property, while claiming to be his wife and mother to his children. Beginning in 1984, when Muhammad was in her 30s, she would loiter at the Jackson's Encino family home. The harassment became so troublesome that in 1986, Michael Jackson placed a four-year restraining order against her.

http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/21397780.html

[GentleBreeze]

It is sad. But, I heard that they sat together, I wonder what they talked about. That would have been interesting. :ohmy:

At one time TMZ reported they were fighting. Then I noticed they pulled that part.

imo

[aproudmom]

see I do not believe anything until I hear it from the family...one says they do not know where.. this one says they do..so we do not know..just because it is printed does not make it true..

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/08/exclusive-michael-jackson-be-buried-near-grandmothers-grave

Michael Jackson will be laid to rest near his Grandmother in Forest Lawn Cemetery's Court Of Liberty Garden in Hollywood Hills, a source inside the cemetery has revealed exclusively to RadarOnline.com

Michael's Grandmother, Martha Bridges, was buried in the sprawling, picturesque setting in 1990.

"A maintenance worker at Forest Lawn pointed out the family plots and said 'this one is for Michael.'"

"Flowers have already been cleared away in preparation for a burial", the source adds.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1205525/Michael-Jackson-buried-unmarked-grave-fans-away.html

Michael Jackson finally buried in an unmarked grave to keep fans from turning it into a shrine
The quiet funeral was in stark contrast to last month’s star-studded memorial service. Jackson’s family have kept the plot’s location a secret.A cemetery source said: 'Other than the Jackson family and the Forest Lawn management, no one knows the exact spot.

Staff at the cemetery have been fed several locations, it’s as if they’re hoping to confuse everyone.'There are also plans to move the singer’s body if fans discover the location.

[flipflop]

Here is some more information on Billy Jean Jackson.


"The Michael Jackson song clearly spells out that Billie Jean is not his lover. But that didn't stop a Santa Maria woman named Billie Jean Jackson from allegedly trying to get through the gates of Neverland Ranch on Monday evening by claiming she was Jackson's wife.

Jackson, 60, told a security guard at the front gate of the ranch that she was Jackson's wife and this was her ranch, too, reported the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department.

The guard, who had arrested Jackson multiple times before on suspicion of trespassing, turned her away.

Jackson moved a few yards down the road and climbed over a fence, the sheriff's department reported. She was then detained by security.

------------------------------------

"Billie Jean Jackson" (also known as "Lavon A. Muhammad") has a long-running history of trespassing Michael Jackson's property, while claiming to be his wife and mother to his children. Beginning in 1984, when Muhammad was in her 30s, she would loiter at the Jackson's Encino family home. The harassment became so troublesome that in 1986, Michael Jackson placed a four-year restraining order against her.

http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/21397780.html

The loonies have descended. After I posted that I scrolled down and read some more on TMZ. :ohmy:

[Gilly]

I think the real tragedy is that this woman lived in her delusional world for years when given the correct medication and treatment she may be able to live a normal life. Yet laws to not permit commitment of people like her. Mainstream medicine is too busy over prescribing Ritalin & other drugs and handing it out to children like it's candy. IMO

ITA I often wonder what happened in the lives of people like this. Same with street people. Where are the families and friends? Didn't they have anyone to help them? I work with families of inmates and see it all of the time. I know people make their own choices and people do give up on them but I still think it is very sad.

[CinderL.]

Has this been posted yet?
From TMZ...........





Billie Jean: I Want to Bond With Blanket

Posted Aug 10th 2009 7:50PM by TMZ Staff

Billie Jean Jackson is bound and determined to be a part of Blanket's life -- she just filed legal papers, begging the court to give her three days a week with Michael Jackson's youngest son.

Billie Jean asks the court to grant her three wishes:

1) Hire a handwriting expert to check Michael's will for forgeries
2) Not to be arrested by Katherine Jackson or John Branca
3) Get to visit Blanket every Friday, Saturday and Sunday at 2 PM

And there's this: "MICHAEL JACKSON IS GOD, and GOD cannot die, yet his ESTATE is in this probate court."

Let that simmer for a bit.

[CinderL.]

And this..............


EXCLUSIVE: Birth Certificate Proves Dr. Conrad Murray Has A New Love Child!EXCLUSIVE: Birth Certificate Proves Dr. Conrad Murray Has A New Love Child!
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Dr. Conrad Murray fathered a baby son just weeks before he agreed to close his private medical practice and handle Michael Jackson as his only patient, RadarOnline.com has learned exclusively.

RadarOnline.com has obtained an official "True Copy" of the baby's "Certificate of Live Birth."

Click Here To See The Birth Certificate

Che Giovanni Murray was born at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center on March 2, 2009. His mother is Murray's 27-year-old girlfriend Nicole Alvarez.

The twice-married Murray, 56, admitted to being the father of six in a deposition he gave in 1999. He also has a son by Nenita Malibiran who took him to court over unpaid child support
. Another woman, Janice Adams also claims to have two daughters by the good doctor
.

The newest addition to Dr. Murray's brood lives in the Los Angeles area with his mother.

Dr. Murray's treatment of Jackson continues to be scrutinized by law enforcement, who today announced that a security hold has been placed on the singer's toxicology results.


http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/08/exclusive-birth-certificate-proves-dr-conrad-murray-has-new-love-child

[aproudmom]

The loonies have descended. After I posted that I scrolled down and read some more on TMZ. :ohmy:

hate to break the news but I am the new baby moma...J/K these people need some help..:scared:

[aproudmom]

Has this been posted yet?
From TMZ...........





Billie Jean: I Want to Bond With Blanket

Posted Aug 10th 2009 7:50PM by TMZ Staff

Billie Jean Jackson is bound and determined to be a part of Blanket's life -- she just filed legal papers, begging the court to give her three days a week with Michael Jackson's youngest son.

Billie Jean asks the court to grant her three wishes:

1) Hire a handwriting expert to check Michael's will for forgeries
2) Not to be arrested by Katherine Jackson or John Branca
3) Get to visit Blanket every Friday, Saturday and Sunday at 2 PM

And there's this: "MICHAEL JACKSON IS GOD, and GOD cannot die, yet his ESTATE is in this probate court."

Let that simmer for a bit.

:ohmy:OK this is crazy they best watch them kids very closely with these nut-so women out there saying they are the mothers...

[GentleBreeze]

hate to break the news but I am the new baby moma...J/K these people need some help..:scared:

But.. but ...I..

You are going to laugh. When I first saw the top of the post that Cinder just linked on Dr. Murray and it said "love child" I thought.........on no.......now Dr. Murray is saying he is the daddy to one of MJs children.:w00t::lol:

[CinderL.]

:ohmy:OK this is crazy they best watch them kids very closely with these nut-so women out there saying they are the mothers...


We agree with this. I hope there is lots of security around the kids. I am sure there must be.

[flipflop]

Has this been posted yet?
From TMZ...........





Billie Jean: I Want to Bond With Blanket

Posted Aug 10th 2009 7:50PM by TMZ Staff

Billie Jean Jackson is bound and determined to be a part of Blanket's life -- she just filed legal papers, begging the court to give her three days a week with Michael Jackson's youngest son.

Billie Jean asks the court to grant her three wishes:

1) Hire a handwriting expert to check Michael's will for forgeries
2) Not to be arrested by Katherine Jackson or John Branca
3) Get to visit Blanket every Friday, Saturday and Sunday at 2 PM

And there's this: "MICHAEL JACKSON IS GOD, and GOD cannot die, yet his ESTATE is in this probate court."

Let that simmer for a bit.

I posted it on the page before this one. I didn't know if anyone had posted it already. I think she is as fruity as they come. :smile:

[CinderL.]

I posted it on the page before this one. I didn't know if anyone had posted it already. I think she is as fruity as they come. :smile:

Well, thank you for posting it. :wink: I missed it. Sorry for the re post.

They all have major problems. Sad. But, strange that they have it together enough to be able to file papers.

[flipflop]

hate to break the news but I am the new baby moma...J/K these people need some help..:scared:

NO...I AM. LOL. They just invaded the place today. How about the one saying she is also the mother of Tom Cruise's kid? :rolleyes:

[aproudmom]

But.. but ...I..

You are going to laugh. When I first saw the top of the post that Cinder just linked on Dr. Murray and it said "love child" I thought.........on no.......now Dr. Murray is saying he is the daddy of MJs children.:w00t::lol:

:thumbsup: I kinda was afraid to read that one.,.all these love children
if that comes out next GB I will fall over..

[aproudmom]

NO...I AM. LOL. They just invaded the place today. How about the one saying she is also the mother of Tom Cruise's son? :rolleyes:

:laugh:I know what is up with these people I mean they do pat them down before they go in a courtroom right?..so little Suri not sure how to spell her name has a brother...O how sweet:laugh:

[CinderL.]

:laugh:I know what is up with these people I mean they do pat them down before they go in a courtroom right?..so little Suri not sure how to spell her name has a brother...O how sweet:laugh:

It was Tom and Nichole Kidman's adopted son.....and MJ was the father, but MJ didn't want the baby because of his skin color. According to the "mother". :rolleyes:

[Mel]

Recent Blog Post from Louise Palanker.

"Why do I feel so strongly about this? I am personally acquainted with the young accuser in the criminal trial. He is an excellent young man of 19 right now. I won’t reveal any more about him because he guards his privacy and wants only to live his very productive life.

We have not heard a peep from this family since the trial. They have not filed a civil suit or said word one to the press. This fact seriously undermines the defense theory in the case which painted the accuser and his family as con artists and “grifters.” They are not"

way more at link:

http://louisepalanker.com/post/136748548/on-michael-jackson

thanks for the link!

i have always thought this boy was telling the truth, & i've never thought of him or his family as "grifters" either

[aproudmom]

We agree with this. I hope there is lots of security around the kids. I am sure there must be.

OMG Cinder this is crazy I can not go on TMZ it seems to not like me it freezes my computer up so thanks to all who are posting a little more than just a link so I know what is in there...

O/T anyone that kept up with the Billings murder it is on Dateline at 10

[Mel]

YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They sure need one!


i agree

they need someone appointed by the court to look out for them

[aproudmom]

I wonder if he is back at his Texas medical office again.

The poor man has to try to make some money to pay his bills.

Does his wife live in LV or Texas?

imo

you know I am not sure but I don't know how he could get out and work and not be followed so I would think they would be staked out at his place to see if he leaves..his wife did he not own her some back support or is this another wife?

[Mel]

You're welcome!

Did you know Howie Mandel offered to buy them a house? The mom turned him down and said all she needed were prayers and a friend.

PM me if you want the link to that.

no, i didn't know that, but i'm glad to read that the boy is doing ok:)

[CinderL.]

you know I am not sure but I don't know how he could get out and work and not be followed so I would think they would be staked out at his place to see if he leaves..his wife did he not own her some back support or is this another wife?

Or the new baby Mama?

The man is a Dr. for goodness sakes did he miss the class on birth control?

[on board!]

Billie Jean: I Want to Bond With Blanket

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/10/billy-jean-michael-jackson-blanket-visitation/

"Billie Jean" is the main topic on TMZ today.... and it looks like she's here, too.

"And Mother Always Told Me Be Careful Of Who You Love
And Be Careful Of What You Do 'Cause The Lie Becomes The Truth"
(Michael Jackson, "Billie Jean")

[Unperson1984]

Here is some more information on Billy Jean Jackson.


"The Michael Jackson song clearly spells out that Billie Jean is not his lover. But that didn't stop a Santa Maria woman named Billie Jean Jackson from allegedly trying to get through the gates of Neverland Ranch on Monday evening by claiming she was Jackson's wife.

Jackson, 60, told a security guard at the front gate of the ranch that she was Jackson's wife and this was her ranch, too, reported the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department.

The guard, who had arrested Jackson multiple times before on suspicion of trespassing, turned her away.

Jackson moved a few yards down the road and climbed over a fence, the sheriff's department reported. She was then detained by security.

------------------------------------

"Billie Jean Jackson" (also known as "Lavon A. Muhammad") has a long-running history of trespassing Michael Jackson's property, while claiming to be his wife and mother to his children. Beginning in 1984, when Muhammad was in her 30s, she would loiter at the Jackson's Encino family home. The harassment became so troublesome that in 1986, Michael Jackson placed a four-year restraining order against her.

http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/21397780.html

That seems like a seriously delusional person. Isn't a little scary that with all the times this woman has been arrested, and making ridiculous claims, she is still loose in society?

Very sad.

[ScoobyDoo]

I posted this earlier -- but long before you came on. The article you linked to is taken from Jermaine's interview on 8/7. Jim Moret said they had been waiting for the brain to be returned. When I heard that from him I figured the autopsy report had finally been closed so was not surprised when it was announced.

"Brian Oxman told GMTV that after coroners had released certain tissues, including his brain, following an autopsy, they were buried with Jackson's body during a low key ceremony.

Mr Oxman said: "The burial itself was at the time of the memorial. When the tissues were returned to the body, then the interment was made final."


http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20090810/ten-michael-jackson-s-body-finally-laid-8a3eada.html

I've kinda always thought he was buried the morning of the memorial, and the casket brought to Staples Center was empty.

[on board!]

Recent Blog Post from Louise Palanker.

"Why do I feel so strongly about this? I am personally acquainted with the young accuser in the criminal trial. He is an excellent young man of 19 right now. I won’t reveal any more about him because he guards his privacy and wants only to live his very productive life.

We have not heard a peep from this family since the trial. They have not filed a civil suit or said word one to the press. This fact seriously undermines the defense theory in the case which painted the accuser and his family as con artists and “grifters.” They are not"

way more at link:

http://louisepalanker.com/post/136748548/on-michael-jackson

Did anyone who adores her post realises that she did not say injustice was done?

[daniel green]

I do not believe everything I read...unless it comes out of a mouth no sources or write ups..his mother was worried about his body so they sure are not going to say right now..and I thought Jermaine did a great interview but he didn't seem to not know to much..so for all we know or he knows MJ has been laid to rest...


Jermaine Jackson did not say where his mother would like Michael buried. And the interview did not address the issue of where Jackson's body is currently being kept -- an issue of some tabloid speculation.

My link was from the LA Times, a newspaper of record.

[ScoobyDoo]

That seems like a seriously delusional person. Isn't a little scary that with all the times this woman has been arrested, and making ridiculous claims, she is still loose in society?

Very sad.


If I had a stalker like that, I would buy a lot of locks too.

[daniel green]

:ohmy:OK this is crazy they best watch them kids very closely with these nut-so women out there saying they are the mothers...

Why call someone with obvious mental health problems "nuts-so?" :sad:

[ScoobyDoo]

Absolutely - I would think most celebrities have this type of security as well as a "panic room". They certainly would be foolish not to. JMO


I agree.. and especially since it appeared that the majority of his staff, would sell him out for a few bucks, dismantle the security system for a few more bucks..etc. Makes sense to me.

[daniel green]

Well thank you as well for being an advocate for children. My son would have been monitored but I when I researched it and spoke to a good friend of mine (she is trained to work with learning disabled children) there were just too many horror stories. As it turned out I am so, so thankful I did not accept the medication and he manged to do very well without it. :)

So glad to hear that!

One of the things that ever frightened me to the core was to do school visits and see the teachers with 10-15 Rx bottles of Ritalin, Adderal and Dexedrine and THEY were the ones who were administering them to children.

Not to mention the horrific side effects the kids suffered.

[who_is_it]

I don't know if this has already been posted...

"UPDATE: This is really important. The judge just appointed a guardian ad litem for the 3 Jackson kids. That means they will have independent representation in court proceedings. The notion -- that the interests of the kids may not completely square with the interests of Katherine Jackson or the estate. It's not unusual this happened, but it's significant."

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/10/michael-jackson-court-hearing-afternoon-session/

Only for the 2nd time -- as far as I remember 2nd time -- after Michael's death TMZ chose a picture which shows him without black sunglasses.

[daniel green]

Absolutely - I would think most celebrities have this type of security as well as a "panic room". They certainly would be foolish not to. JMO

Locks to a bedroom and alarms?

I doubt it.

[who_is_it]

And this..............


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<snipped for length>

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/08/exclusive-birth-certificate-proves-dr-conrad-murray-has-new-love-child

I don't wonder anymore that he needs a lot of money....

[ScoobyDoo]

That seems like a seriously delusional person. Isn't a little scary that with all the times this woman has been arrested, and making ridiculous claims, she is still loose in society?

Very sad.

Whats even scarier is the 40,000 prisoners who have been ordered released by the Feds, whose mental illnesses were ignored while in prison, to be let out probably worse than when they went in. Not to mention the millions of dollars just cut from mental health services, battered women, and drug treatment programs.

[who_is_it]

Locks to a bedroom and alarms?

I doubt it.

Well, the alarm system served its purpose -- if not to frighten unwanted guests or burglars at least as a proof against a lie.

[ScoobyDoo]

Locks to a bedroom and alarms?

I doubt it.


I sure don't. You can't be too safe these days. Even drug dealers have good security. I figure anyone who can afford to be as safe as possible, would probably do so.

[GentleBreeze]

I sure don't. You can't be too safe these days. Even drug dealers have good security. I figure anyone who can afford to be as safe as possible, would probably do so.

Me either. We have seen what some of these mentally ill people can do that are obsessed stalkers. It happened in the Brenda Shaffer case and didn't a stalker come in and kill George Harrison?

Even the woman named Billy Jean climbed a fence to get into Neverland and tried to invade it several times. That would unnerve the crap out of me and I would make sure I had alarms and locks everywhere.

imo

[who_is_it]

She's also put claims in for the children before and MJ actually had to respond to the lawsuit and it wasn't the first time.
I don't even understand how frivolous lawsuits are even entertained. :shrug:


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/3899404/Michael-Jackson-forced-to-prove-Billie-Jean-was-not-his-lover.html

I always wonder how such lawsuits could make to court in the US. In Europe they would be dismissed. I just think of the burglar who was trapped in the garage while the homeowners were on vacation and sued for not having enough supplies...

[ScoobyDoo]

Why call someone with obvious mental health problems "nuts-so?" :sad:


Why call someone Wacko? Its always been ok for reporters and county officials to call one of its citizens wacko. I don't hear any complaints about that. I think nuts-so is not nearly as offensive as Wacko.

[who_is_it]

Me either. We have seen what some of these mentally ill people can do that are obsessed stalkers. It happened in the Brenda Shaffer case and didn't a stalker come in and kill George Harrison?

<snipped>

imo

As much as I know George Harrison died of cancer. But I could be wrong.

[GentleBreeze]

As much as I know George Harrison died of cancer. But I could be wrong.

Oh I am sorry, I must have him mixed up with someone else.

This guy was with a singing group and I think they found him stabbed to death inside his home. I was thinking it happened in the UK but I may be mistaken.

imo

[CinderL.]

She's also put claims in for the children before and MJ actually had to respond to the lawsuit and it wasn't the first time.
I don't even understand how frivolous lawsuits are even entertained. :shrug:


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/3899404/Michael-Jackson-forced-to-prove-Billie-Jean-was-not-his-lover.html

They shouldn't be. And they should be made to pay all court costs, and the attny. fees if any of the opposing party. That would put an end to it. IMO

[who_is_it]

I sure don't. You can't be too safe these days. Even drug dealers have good security. I figure anyone who can afford to be as safe as possible, would probably do so.

While I agree on your other post about the unfair word use for Michael Jackson I disagree on that one.

Too much safety could cause a social gap. For example when travelling one makes way better experiences roaming about like locals instead of staying in a safe luxury ressort imo.

[CinderL.]

Well, the alarm system served its purpose -- if not to frighten unwanted guests or burglars at least as a proof against a lie.

With all of this security it is amazing to me he couldn't get rid of a few unruly kids. :ohmy:

[daniel green]

Answering a question with a random question is strange.

[CinderL.]

Answering a question with a random question is strange.

Mine??????

[ScoobyDoo]

While I agree on your other post about the unfair word use for Michael Jackson I disagree on that one.

Too much safety could cause a social gap. For example when travelling one makes way better experiences roaming about like locals instead of staying in a safe luxury ressort imo.


For me.. I agree. But MJ was unable to roam about like a local, and its understandable why he would want to feel secure, in his home. I just think when you are in his position, extra security seems justified more than it seems like proof of misconduct. I bet he didn't even have a weapon in the house.

[GentleBreeze]

If I had a stalker like that, I would buy a lot of locks too.

And stalking is more common than we think.

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20110431,00.html

According to Dr. Park Dietz, a forensic psychiatrist who conducted the one major study of stalking, there are 200,000 people in the U.S. who are stalking someone—lovers, coworkers, celebrities and, particularly, women. (Ninety percent of stalkers suffer from mental disorders.) Yet only in the past three years have stalking victims had any legal recourse. In 1990, California passed the first state law making stalking a felony; 36 other states have since followed suit. In March, Senator Krueger and Sen. Barbara Boxer of California introduced a bill in Congress that would make stalking a federal offense—punishable by up to 10 years in prison—anytime a stalker crosses state lines or uses the mail or telephone to deliver a threat.

[daniel green]

mine??????

no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[daniel green]

With all of this security it is amazing to me he couldn't get rid of a few unruly kids. :ohmy:

Yeah, how weird.

[who_is_it]

For me.. I agree. But MJ was unable to roam about like a local, and its understandable why he would want to feel secure, in his home. I just think when you are in his position, extra security seems justified more than it seems like proof of misconduct. I bet he didn't even have a weapon in the house.

MJ as a superstar is an exception, for sure. You posted "You can't be too safe these days" which was a general statement.... and my answer, too.

[ScoobyDoo]

MJ as a superstar is an exception, for sure. You posted "You can't be too safe these days" which was a general statement.... and my answer, too.


I probably wouldnt have said that before being burglarized three times in 18 months. I've walked the streets of New Orleans without any problems though. I always thought if you don't act afraid, you're better off.

[on board!]

Answering a question with a random question is strange.

It’s even stranger if someone p r e t e n d s not to understand and to have an IQ of 30.

The following study "Coping with various types of stalkers" shows that most stalkers have a high IQ and advanced degrees. Do we know something more about "Billie Jean"?

www.gorgelink.org/freebooks/vaknin/branded/Women_24534.pdf

[who_is_it]

I probably wouldnt have said that before being burglarized three times in 18 months. I've walked the streets of New Orleans without any problems though. I always thought if you don't act afraid, you're better off.

I feel sorry to read this. This is really horrific. I would be extremely scared and I think I wouldn't succeed to act like not being afraid.

Would like to say more on the interesting topic "aura of a victim"... but have to log out.

[aproudmom]

My link was from the LA Times, a newspaper of record.

no I was saying I just do not believe anything I read anymore never know if it is true or not..was not trying to be rude if you thought so but I really think he if not already will be near his grandmother..JMO though

[aproudmom]

I probably wouldnt have said that before being burglarized three times in 18 months. I've walked the streets of New Orleans without any problems though. I always thought if you don't act afraid, you're better off.

3 times :ohmy:

[aproudmom]

MICHAEL JACKSON - LEAKED JACKSON AUTOPSY DETAILS PINPOINT PROPOFOL AS CAUSE OF DEATH

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/leaked-jackson-autopsy-details-pinpoint-propofol-as-cause-of-death_1112263

What is up with TMZ do their have a fly on every wall in the world they seem to printed and report everything...leaked boy o boy 300 already got a warning over the death Cert..

[aproudmom]

I would like to go off topic for just a second I was going to go check a few other threads and then got to 1 and it is now closed after a certain time and a very strong warning from CW...I guess I would like to say I know alot of times we do not agree with each other but we do not take it to the point of going to far and with this being a MJ thread I really think it shows the posters give their opinions and don't bother running to a Mod...over stupid stuff..so just wanted to thank you all even the ones I do not agree with it has been nice..sorry just wanted to say that...:wub:

[aproudmom]

Why call someone with obvious mental health problems "nuts-so?" :sad:

who has mental problem? I did not know anyone was diagnosed with a mental disability...if so I guess it would be NO different than some saying Wacko Jacko and all the horrible things I have seen MJ called and even on here now come on can not deny that.. I would never degrade anyone with a mental disability my kids are not even allowed to say retarded because I think it is rude and uncalled for..so if I offended anyone I am sorry..

[daniel green]

I don't believe this for one second. Any teacher bringing those drugs into a classroom would be dismissed summarily. I don't know how you could post such a thing. What kind of teachers would do this? It is just not believable. :thumbdown:

The teachers don't bring them into the classroom. They have them there from the kids' docs and/or parents.

There are several long articles about my campaign to put a stop to this practice.

ETA: Furthermore, I will be glad to scan the articles and PM to you. I do not appreciate your allegation that I would make that up. Not in the least.

[aproudmom]

So glad to hear that!

One of the things that ever frightened me to the core was to do school visits and see the teachers with 10-15 Rx bottles of Ritalin, Adderal and Dexedrine and THEY were the ones who were administering them to children.

Not to mention the horrific side effects the kids suffered.

they threatened my mother when my little sister was in the 4th grade that was when all the teaches were screaming give them Ritalin..my mom refused she took it all the way to court yes my sister was a hyper and of course she never took it..she is 21 now but my cousin has 6 kids 4 are on Adderal requested by the school..Then we have college kids buying it during finals to keep them awake..it is getting bad around here..

[ScoobyDoo]

The teachers don't bring them into the classroom. They have them there from the kids' docs and/or parents.

There are several long articles about my campaign to put a stop to this practice.


Where I come from the school nurse is the only person allowed to hand out the medicine.

[daniel green]

they threatened my mother when my little sister was in the 4th grade that was when all the teaches were screaming give them Ritalin..my mom refused she took it all the way to court yes my sister was a hyper and of course she never took it..she is 21 now but my cousin has 6 kids 4 are on Adderal requested by the school..Then we have college kids buying it during finals to keep them awake..it is getting bad around here..

How awful. And that is how it goes in public schools all over this country.

The very fact that a drug would be requested by a school (and it happens daily) makes me go postal. It really does.

[daniel green]

Where I come from the school nurse is the only person allowed to hand out the medicine.

I have not seen a school nurse in about 10 yrs, at least.

[daniel green]

who has mental problem? I did not know anyone was diagnosed with a mental disability...if so I guess it would be NO different than some saying Wacko Jacko and all the horrible things I have seen MJ called and even on here now come on can not deny that.. I would never degrade anyone with a mental disability my kids are not even allowed to say retarded because I think it is rude and uncalled for..so if I offended anyone I am sorry..

Thank you for saying this, ProudMom. Really appreciated.

[ScoobyDoo]

I have not seen a school nurse in about 10 yrs, at least.

Kids can't use Blistex without the nurse in the schools here. Can't go home sick without seeing the nurse first either.

[CinderL.]

MICHAEL JACKSON - LEAKED JACKSON AUTOPSY DETAILS PINPOINT PROPOFOL AS CAUSE OF DEATH

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/leaked-jackson-autopsy-details-pinpoint-propofol-as-cause-of-death_1112263

Jumping way ahead, but that picture of MJ as a young boy does look a lot like Blanket. IMO

[CinderL.]

Where I come from the school nurse is the only person allowed to hand out the medicine.

My kids school too. The teacher sent the kid to the office to get medication. If the nurse was unavailable, one of the vice principles gave it.

[daniel green]

http://www.dreddyclinic.com/ADHD/Physicians_Concerned_About_Ritalin_Being_Forced_on _School_Children.pdf

http://borntoexplore.org/unschool/ritalin.htm

http://dir.salon.com/topics/ritalin/

http://school.familyeducation.com/learning-disabilities/treatments/29434.html

there are only thousands of articles about this.

[ScoobyDoo]

Bolding by me:

I would very much like to see some proof of this statement. I have never heard of any school teacher or school official requesting that a child be given a drug without the parents consent and without a perscription.


Not speaking for DG, but I'd guess she means the teacher suggests to the parent that their child needs drugs, or that he would do better in school with drugs. Stuff like that. Its possible some schools intimidate a parent into agreeing that their child would be better off with drugs.

[daniel green]

snipped I have never heard of any school teacher or school official requesting that a child be given a drug without the parents consent and without a perscription.

:rolleyes:

That is not what I said.

I am done with this subject, as it is not anywhere near on topic.

But, this is a subject about which I have 15 yrs of experience and information and on which I have advocated on the behalf of children.

[daniel green]

Not speaking for DG, but I'd guess she means the teacher suggests to the parent that their child needs drugs, or that he would do better in school with drugs. Stuff like that. Its possible some schools intimidate a parent into agreeing that their child would be better off with drugs.

Inner city schools are notorious for doing this.

You have a parent whose child has has an IEP (individual education plan) that the parent must sign off on as well as teacher and principal and school system social worker and psychologist. Those are not just nudges/suggestions, either.

Worse yet, if the parent/child is in a court-mandated program through Soc Services, that involves the school, it happens.

[ScoobyDoo]

Inner city schools are notorious for doing this.

You have a parent whose child has has an IEP (individual education plan) that the parent must sign off on as well as teacher and principal and school system social worker and psychologist. Those are not just nudges/suggestions, either.

Worse yet, if the parent/child is in a court-mandated program through Soc Services, that involves the school, it happens.


All the more reason for every parent whose child has an IEP to become educated about the rights and services available through the IEP. It can make a difference in the childs future, in a big way, and the schools are pretty quiet about those services as they don't want to spend the money. Most parents have no idea whats available through both state a federal law.

[Rayosunshine]

Do you think this report is accurate? If so, I wonder why LE is keeping so quiet - seems they would have acted by now with an arrest. Could it be prosecutors know they probably won't be able to get a doc to testify against Dr. Murray?

[Emerald]

I'm glad the Judge finally appointed an attorney for the 3 children separate from the Jackson Family. Don't understand why it was not done right away after MJ died.

JMO

[mrsmcgoo]

Jumping way ahead, but that picture of MJ as a young boy does look a lot like Blanket. IMO

It sure does!

[GentleBreeze]

MICHAEL JACKSON - LEAKED JACKSON AUTOPSY DETAILS PINPOINT PROPOFOL AS CAUSE OF DEATH

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/leaked-jackson-autopsy-details-pinpoint-propofol-as-cause-of-death_1112263

It basically comes back to what everyone was led to believe early on.

If true and they only found traces of Xanex in his blood could that be from the two half dissolved pills found in his stomach? If MJ was not filled with many other drugs when this happened to him shows this is an even greater tragedy for it would seem to indicate that MJ was trying to fight his addiction.

Also they keep saying it was an lethal overdose of Diprivan. So how did that happen? I know early on I felt Murray set up the drip and then left the room and I thought he may have set the drip too fast. He went back into the room when he "thought" the drip would be finishing up but imo it had long gone into MJs vein and caused cardiac arrest.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

I'm glad the Judge finally appointed an attorney for the 3 children separate from the Jackson Family. Don't understand why it was not done right away after MJ died.

JMO

I think he did not appoint a GAL in the custody part of the case because it was a non contested issue but he has to see that in the estate matters that KJ and her attorney are always intervening and perhaps wanting deals to be done differently.

So by providing them a GAL for the estate matters he/she will have the expertise and knowledge to move quickly so that any money making deal will bring the maximum return to the children's estate.

I do think that he left the entire Trust itself to his children and stipulated as long as they are minors and Katherine is raising them they will be getting only a percentage of the monies made in the Trust.

It is a good thing. Now they will have a represented voice in what memorabilia if any will be sold and what it will be and what they want to keep.

www.CNN.com

Here is an excerpt

" On Monday, Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff delayed for a week his decision on whether to approve several contracts for the Jackson's estate to give the children's new lawyer -- whom he will appoint -- time to weigh in on the deals.

Jackson's three children will get their own lawyer because the judge overseeing the probate of Jackson's will is concerned that their interests might sometimes conflict with their grandmother's.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Do you think this report is accurate? If so, I wonder why LE is keeping so quiet - seems they would have acted by now with an arrest. Could it be prosecutors know they probably won't be able to get a doc to testify against Dr. Murray?

I don't think they will have a problem at all. Just look at all the doctors on tv that have spoken out against Murray's actions or ineptness. Any anesthesiologist could testify how, when and where Diprivan is administered and that the patient is monitored continuously throughout.

I think as long as it is still called a death investigation it gives them time to do further investigation. To me if they were to call it a criminal investigation then the public would want to see the autopsy report as to why they think it is now a criminal case.

I still believe that LAPD will arrest someone shortly around the same time the autopsy results is finally released but until then they are much better off to let it lay silent for now.

imo

[drip~drop1]

I'm glad the Judge finally appointed an attorney for the 3 children separate from the Jackson Family. Don't understand why it was not done right away after MJ died.

JMO

I was certainly glad to hear that news this morning!

[Firehead11]

It basically comes back to what everyone was led to believe early on.

If true and they only found traces of Xanex in his blood could that be from the two half dissolved pills found in his stomach? If MJ was not filled with many other drugs when this happened to him shows this is an even greater tragedy for it would seem to indicate that MJ was trying to fight his addiction.

Also they keep saying it was an lethal overdose of Diprivan. So how did that happen? I know early on I felt Murray set up the drip and then left the room and I thought he may have set the drip too fast. He went back into the room when he "thought" the drip would be finishing up but imo it had long gone into MJs vein and caused cardiac arrest.

imo

This is one of the reasons why I want to read the tox reports, so I will be patient about it. After spending a few years in the middle east, I am hoping that it was to work on his addiction, getting away from the media and the people who still insisted on persecuting Jackson after he was found NOT GUILTY on any charge. I am hoping that the time spent in Ireland, grounded him to what he must face back in the United States, when he came home. And face it he did. If I am wrong about it, then I have my crow pie ready.

First and foremost, I want to see someone held accountable for inserting an IV line into MJ's arm and drugging him to DEATH. This doctor had no legal right to give this drug to any patient. I don't care how much money he sold his ethics/morals for.

If people want to call me a fan, then so be it. I have enjoyed his music all during his career and I still do. I saw a young man come up thru the music world doing things never dreamed of. I saw a young man who went to a boy that "normal people" shunned and threw rocks at because he had contacted a disease, through no fault of his own, that no one understood. I saw a man who tried to help people around the world with the basic needs that people have. Yes, other mega stars have donated, time and money to worldly causes but this does not lessen what Jackson did either.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion about all things but you can't have it both ways either. Don't get insulted about words people have used because I would lay odds, words that you have used, insulted someone else. I won't argue your opinion about it, I will just use my iggy button.

Off my soap box now...

Just my own humble opinion.

[GentleBreeze]

Where I come from the school nurse is the only person allowed to hand out the medicine.

That is the way it is in our state school system too.

imo

[who_is_it]

This is one of the reasons why I want to read the tox reports, so I will be patient about it. After spending a few years in the middle east, I am hoping that it was to work on his addiction, getting away from the media and the people who still insisted on persecuting Jackson after he was found NOT GUILTY on any charge. I am hoping that the time spent in Ireland, grounded him to what he must face back in the United States, when he came home. And face it he did. If I am wrong about it, then I have my crow pie ready.

<snipped>

Just my own humble opinion.

In 2006 or 2007 there was an Access Hollywood documentary with Billy Bush which showed Michael Jackson working together with Will.I.am in Ireland. Billy Bush said Michael lived very healthy. If I remember it correctly it was said he eats organic food only. Definitely he didn't take any drugs at this time.

The only sad thing about the documentary was that Mike was too hurt (as a result of the Bashir docu) to give an interview. He agreed that they get his work in the studio on camera. As I remember Billy Bush explained this in an empathic way.

[giraffe]

http://www.nme.com/news/michaeljackson/46623

A film based around Michael Jackson's rehearsals for his proposed London O2 Arena residency has been given a release date.

The film called 'This Is It' – after the title for the run of shows – will be shown in cinemas around the world from October 28.

Filmmakers are using hundreds of hours of rehearsal and behind-the-scenes footage from the singer's preparations for the shows.

[who_is_it]

These are the links to the Access Hollywood documentary in Ireland which I mentioned in my post #440. In the first part at around 1:20 - 1:35 Billy Bush says that Michael gets up in the morning and prepares organic food for his kids.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znMwk3T9YQY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAQmbj2knfc&NR=1

One can listen to parts of new songs as well; I could imagine these songs will be released soon.

[who_is_it]

http://www.nme.com/news/michaeljackson/46623

A film based around Michael Jackson's rehearsals for his proposed London O2 Arena residency has been given a release date.

The film called 'This Is It' – after the title for the run of shows – will be shown in cinemas around the world from October 28.

Filmmakers are using hundreds of hours of rehearsal and behind-the-scenes footage from the singer's preparations for the shows.

If Michael only could experience how many people will watch it...

:rose:

[Firehead11]

These are the links to the Access Hollywood documentary in Ireland which I mentioned in my post #440. In the first part at around 1:20 - 1:35 Billy Bush says that Michael gets up in the morning and prepares organic food for his kids.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znMwk3T9YQY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAQmbj2knfc&NR=1

One can listen to parts of new songs as well; I could imagine these songs will be released soon.

I will when I get the chance. I wonder if these are the songs that are being talked about that Latoya may have?

[who_is_it]

I will when I get the chance. I wonder if these are the songs that are being talked about that Latoya may have?

Theoretically I could imagine that the weird story she stole the hard drive is true.

I've found this about new songs:

No new Michael Jackson material until 2012?

"Forget the rush to issue unreleased Michael Jackson material – according to a report this week, we may not hear any new songs until 2012.

According to BusinessWeek, Jackson was locked into a contract with Sony Music until the end of 2011. Though the singer completed his obligations to the label with the release of 2001's Invincible album, any music released before 2012 would still allegedly be owned by Sony. In 2012, however, the master recordings of Jackson's entire Sony catalogue will revert to his estate."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/jul/16/michael-jackson-material

It would be a mess, really. The high demand is NOW. I wouldn't wonder if the family really waited until THEY got the rights to publish the music (under Joe's unknown record label). That's not what Michael would have wanted imo. He liked the things done in a professional way. If Sony could release the material NOW the songs would be #1 of the charts immediately imo.

[who_is_it]

will.i.am Hopes to Release His Duet With Michael Jackson

"Though legal issue may prevent him from releasing his project with Michael Jackson, will.i.am does hope the record will, someday, be dropped for purchase. "I don't know if it will come out because of legalities but I hope it does," he said."

http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00025712.html

The Jackson family would be downright stupid not to agree to the publication imo. Will.I.am's album "Boom boom pow" was #1 of the US charts for weeks! Imo he just should release the duet... and wait for the legal consequences; if it's #1 (what would be guaranteed imo) no one of the family would have something against it imo...

[Firehead11]

Theoretically I could imagine that the weird story she stole the hard drive is true.

I've found this about new songs:

No new Michael Jackson material until 2012?

"Forget the rush to issue unreleased Michael Jackson material – according to a report this week, we may not hear any new songs until 2012.

According to BusinessWeek, Jackson was locked into a contract with Sony Music until the end of 2011. Though the singer completed his obligations to the label with the release of 2001's Invincible album, any music released before 2012 would still allegedly be owned by Sony. In 2012, however, the master recordings of Jackson's entire Sony catalogue will revert to his estate."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/jul/16/michael-jackson-material

It would be a mess, really. The high demand is NOW. I wouldn't wonder if the family really waited until THEY got the rights to publish the music (under Joe's unknown record label). That's not what Michael would have wanted imo. He liked the things done in a professional way. If Sony could release the material NOW the songs would be #1 of the charts immediately imo.

Thankfully the family is not the one to make the decisions regarding his estate. If they are holding material that the estate now owns they could find themselves in a whole lot of trouble. I think the executors of the estate are watching everything now. Look at how that 5.5 million got " returned/found" once the will was submitted to the courts.

Things that you make you Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

[who_is_it]

Thankfully the family is not the one to make the decisions regarding his estate. If they are holding material that the estate now owns they could find themselves in a whole lot of trouble. I think the executors of the estate are watching everything now. Look at how that 5.5 million got " returned/found" once the will was submitted to the courts.

Things that you make you Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

Sure, Fire, but the last court hearings showed that the family tried to interfere the business decisions of the executors several times.

I agree, the executors are great to return money. As far I remember they already did it twice (not only the 5.5 million but another amount, too).

[Roxxanne]

http://www.nme.com/news/michaeljackson/46623

A film based around Michael Jackson's rehearsals for his proposed London O2 Arena residency has been given a release date.

The film called 'This Is It' – after the title for the run of shows – will be shown in cinemas around the world from October 28.

Filmmakers are using hundreds of hours of rehearsal and behind-the-scenes footage from the singer's preparations for the shows.

I can't wait to see it! But I really wish it was going to be on pay-per-view because I REALLY hate to cry in public!!!:crying:

[GentleBreeze]

All-Star Roster of Celebrity Producers Celebrate the Most Thrilling Entertainer of All Time with the Release of MICHAEL JACKSON: THE REMIX SUITE

http://www.thenewstribune.com/business/businesswire/story/840599.html

So does this mean that Michael's estate will get residuals on this music?

imo

[Firehead11]

All-Star Roster of Celebrity Producers Celebrate the Most Thrilling Entertainer of All Time with the Release of MICHAEL JACKSON: THE REMIX SUITE

http://www.thenewstribune.com/business/businesswire/story/840599.html


I am sorry but I do not think that I will be interested in other performers redoing MJ's music at this time. Just another way to cash in on his death.

[tiptop]

So does this mean that Michael's estate will get residuals on this music?

imo


I'm thinking that Motown folks wrote most of the early Jackson 5 stuff so they probably own it all. JMO

[flipflop]

Vegas Pharmacy Search -- Dr. Murray Connection

Posted Aug 11th 2009 12:01PM by TMZ Staff

DEA agents just arrived at Applied Pharmacy Services in Las Vegas, armed with a search warrant ... and our law enforcement sources say they're looking for computer hard drives, documents relating to prescriptions written by Dr. Conrad Murray to Michael Jackson or his aliases, and shipping information regarding drugs that may have been sent to Dr. Murray.

[Poochie Pie]

This is one of the reasons why I want to read the tox reports, so I will be patient about it. After spending a few years in the middle east, I am hoping that it was to work on his addiction, getting away from the media and the people who still insisted on persecuting Jackson after he was found NOT GUILTY on any charge. I am hoping that the time spent in Ireland, grounded him to what he must face back in the United States, when he came home. And face it he did. If I am wrong about it, then I have my crow pie ready.

First and foremost, I want to see someone held accountable for inserting an IV line into MJ's arm and drugging him to DEATH. This doctor had no legal right to give this drug to any patient. I don't care how much money he sold his ethics/morals for.

If people want to call me a fan, then so be it. I have enjoyed his music all during his career and I still do. I saw a young man come up thru the music world doing things never dreamed of. I saw a young man who went to a boy that "normal people" shunned and threw rocks at because he had contacted a disease, through no fault of his own, that no one understood. I saw a man who tried to help people around the world with the basic needs that people have. Yes, other mega stars have donated, time and money to worldly causes but this does not lessen what Jackson did either.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion about all things but you can't have it both ways either. Don't get insulted about words people have used because I would lay odds, words that you have used, insulted someone else. I won't argue your opinion about it, I will just use my iggy button.

Off my soap box now...

Just my own humble opinion. Firehead... A most magnificent post..!! I cannot add a single word to it... except to say.. I did not know him as a Man... I have no PERSONAL knowledge of his daily life.. I loved his music.. his graciousness, his humanitarian efforts... Some did not.. And that is fine.. I do find it very sad that some (not all) on here seem to take great pleasure in ridiculing him.. joking about his looks, his surgeries... his parenting.. I just am curious as to what more, we, as his fellow human beings could want from him.. He is dead.. He will never sing again.. nor dance again.. nor see his children again... Is that not enough..??? IMO

Poochie

[Firehead11]

did you see motown´s web site? It´s all about Michael Jackson. I liked what they did to remember him very very much.

I think these are producers, and that they feel and actually were very close to him. None of the cash is going to Michael Jackson himself anymore. These producers are keeping his work alive. IMO

I have not checked the web site, will do so in a few hours. I have to check into something before I open my mouth and I can't right now.

[Poochie Pie]

Vegas Pharmacy Search -- Dr. Murray Connection

Posted Aug 11th 2009 12:01PM by TMZ Staff

DEA agents just arrived at Applied Pharmacy Services in Las Vegas, armed with a search warrant ... and our law enforcement sources say they're looking for computer hard drives, documents relating to prescriptions written by Dr. Conrad Murray to Michael Jackson or his aliases, and shipping information regarding drugs that may have been sent to Dr. Murray. "And the hits just keep on coming".. (To quote Attorney Jeffrey Fieger).. I am so glad to hear this..!! I have a feeling this investigation into MJ's death is a lot more far reaching than we can imagine... IMO

Poochie

[tiptop]

His chef was lying?

Didnt they all live in Ireland at one time? Is that when he was talking about?

[Firehead11]

Well I guess, I need to add another to the ever growing iggy list of mine.

[Firehead11]

Firehead... A most magnificent post..!! I cannot add a single word to it... except to say.. I did not know him as a Man... I have no PERSONAL knowledge of his daily life.. I loved his music.. his graciousness, his humanitarian efforts... Some did not.. And that is fine.. I do find it very sad that some (not all) on here seem to take great pleasure in ridiculing him.. joking about his looks, his surgeries... his parenting.. I just am curious as to what more, we, as his fellow human beings could want from him.. He is dead.. He will never sing again.. nor dance again.. nor see his children again... Is that not enough..??? IMO

Poochie

Poochie, I had question why so many surgeries and then I read about the mental abuse he suffered from his father. I didn't buy into the "he wants to be white" theory and I had heard about the skin disease a long time ago. While some can be strong and look past what name they were called and what was said about them, sadly, some people can't learn to. When a person mocks someone they hurt with words. I have always said I would rather be hit because that bruise fades with time but spoken words never lose their sharp edge. I am not belittleing the people who have suffered from physical abuse either. But how does a person who has been raised with so many self doubts ever work past that?

[ScoobyDoo]

I don't think MJ was alone is having an awful childhood. Millions of people do. IMO There comes a time when one needs to recognize they have "issues" and seek help for them. In MJ's case, he could have sought help from the very best.


We don't know that he didn't seek help.

[Firehead11]

Good afternoon all

I wouldn't exactly say LaToya "stole" anything. They removed MJ's personal property from his rented mansion. If they did not take his personal property out - others would have gotten to them. I do however hope they logged everything and turned it over to the exectuors. If they did not, Branca is not a dumb man and he will go after everything removed. JMO

Between you and I, I think the executors already started to do just that. Good for them !

[GentleBreeze]

Good afternoon all

I wouldn't exactly say LaToya "stole" anything. They removed MJ's personal property from his rented mansion. If they did not take his personal property out - others would have gotten to them. I do however hope they logged everything and turned it over to the executors. If they did not, Branca is not a dumb man and he will go after everything removed. JMO

I do agree that they should have removed his property quickly but I don't understand the hard drive being removed when they could have just taken the computer then turned it over to the administrators. I am hoping that periodically MJ had an updated list of his personal possessions.

While I want to believe the Jacksons wouldn't hold anything back from the estate I am not really sure about that.

imo

[daniel green]

It basically comes back to what everyone was led to believe early on.

If true and they only found traces of Xanex in his blood could that be from the two half dissolved pills found in his stomach? snipped


I'll ask yet again, since I never get a response. What proof do we have of any pills in his stomach?

TIA

I caught some of Dr. Nancy on MSNBC today and they were saying that it's a drug cocktail of several sedatives.

[tiptop]

I do agree that they should have removed his property quickly but I don't understand the hard drive being removed when they could have just taken the computer then turned it over to the administrators. I am hoping that periodically MJ had an updated list of his personal possessions.

While I want to believe the Jacksons would hold anything back from the estate I am not really sure about that.

imo

I've always wondered if Latoya thought there could be child porn (or other undesirable material) downloaded from the internet and thats why she took the hard drive. JMO

[daniel green]

I've always wondered if Latoya thought there could be child porn (or other undesirable material) downloaded from the internet and thats why she took the hard drive. JMO


Me, too. Seems so strange to take that right off the bat like that.

[tiptop]

Hmm-- they took the hard drives from MJ's PCs during the trial -- nothing was found then. :confused:

That was years ago. I'm not saying there was something there, I am just speculating. Why would the taker want the hard drive? I seriously doubt the computer was the only place Michael stored new songs, movies, etc. JMO

[daniel green]

Good afternoon all

I wouldn't exactly say LaToya "stole" anything. They removed MJ's personal property from his rented mansion. If they did not take his personal property out - others would have gotten to them. snipped

Who are these nefarious folks who would have gotten to them had the family not backed up a truck and taken everything out?

Alas, it was not only MJ's property (which was certainly not LaToya's). They took of with rented furniture as well.

[ScoobyDoo]

I've always wondered if Latoya thought there could be child porn (or other undesirable material) downloaded from the internet and thats why she took the hard drive. JMO


I'll give LaToya the benefit of doubt and say that I doubt she would place herself in criminal jeapardy by taking evidence of a crime from the house.

[who_is_it]

I've always wondered if Latoya thought there could be child porn (or other undesirable material) downloaded from the internet and thats why she took the hard drive. JMO

:no: This is pure speculation..., nobody could know what Latoya thinks or thought.

No Latoya fan here... but these speculations go too far imo.

Besides it's an unproved rumor that she stole the hard disk after Michael's death. Do you know what the original source was which came up with the story? -- I would be interested how reliable the source is.

[GentleBreeze]

I've always wondered if Latoya thought there could be child porn (or other undesirable material) downloaded from the internet and thats why she took the hard drive. JMO

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[tiptop]

:no: This is pure speculation..., nobody could know what Latoya thinks or thought.

No Latoya fan here... but these speculations go too far imo.

Besides it's an unproved rumor that she stole the hard disk after Michael's death. Do you know what the original source was which came up with the story? -- I would be interested how reliable the source is.


Go wag your finger elsewhwere, who. I will continue to SPECULATE as much as I want to about this issue.

[GentleBreeze]

:no: This is pure speculation..., nobody could know what Latoya thinks or thought.

No Latoya fan here... but these speculations go too far imo.

Besides it's an unproved rumor that she stole the hard disk after Michael's death. Do you know what the original source was which came up with the story? -- I would be interested.

"Speculation" doesn't even cover it. Imo, more like gossip mongering.

imo

[ScoobyDoo]

Who are these nefarious folks who would have gotten to them had the family not backed up a truck and taken everything out?

Alas, it was not only MJ's property (which was certainly not LaToya's). They took of with rented furniture as well.


I hadn't heard they took off with rented furniture, but wouldn't the most logical explanation be to return it before the next billing cycle?

Wasn't there some 5 million dollars taken by nefarious folks, and returned later?

[tiptop]

"Speculation" doesn't even cover it. Imo, more like gossip mongering.

imo

And IMO it is specualtion as to why something happened. Holy cow, all of us have been on here for 2 months SPECULATING about what happened to MJ. I like him. I thought he was being extorted. But it still doesnt keep me from wondering about things. JMO

[GentleBreeze]

I'll give LaToya the benefit of doubt and say that I doubt she would place herself in criminal jeopardy by taking evidence of a crime from the house.

I don't think she took anything and certainly do it with criminal intent if she did, which it is just an unfounded rumor now anyway. The administrators are extremely capable of recovering all of MJs personal possessions and I know they know how important it is to have the unreleased songs that he has written and sang.

imo

[daniel green]

I hadn't heard they took off with rented furniture, but wouldn't the most logical explanation be to return it before the next billing cycle?

snipped?

They didn't even know it was rented, they just took off with it. And it's been linked to and posted on this forum many times.

[Poochie Pie]

Poochie, I had question why so many surgeries and then I read about the mental abuse he suffered from his father. I didn't buy into the "he wants to be white" theory and I had heard about the skin disease a long time ago. While some can be strong and look past what name they were called and what was said about them, sadly, some people can't learn to. When a person mocks someone they hurt with words. I have always said I would rather be hit because that bruise fades with time but spoken words never lose their sharp edge. I am not belittleing the people who have suffered from physical abuse either. But how does a person who has been raised with so many self doubts ever work past that? Firehead, I think the difference in "being strong and looking past what name they were called" boiled down to the fact that it was his FATHER... The one who was supposed to give unconditional love and support...!! It's a little easier (IMO) when it is the neighbor kids or classmates.. or even your siblings.. In Michael's case, it was the one he looked to for love, protection, and guidance..!! The damage was irreversible... IMO

Poochie

[tiptop]

http://consequenceofsound.net/2009/08/11/michael-jackson-left-over-100-unreleased-songs-on-hard-drives/

This link says MJ did have tons of songs on his hard drives and this was the only place he had them stored. And Latoya has them now. Hard to believe but possible I suppose.

[GentleBreeze]

I hadn't heard they took off with rented furniture, but wouldn't the most logical explanation be to return it before the next billing cycle?

Wasn't there some 5 million dollars taken by nefarious folks, and returned later?

Since Michael was known to buy often I can see why they took everything.

I am sure that the administrators have gotten with the homeowner, which was friends with MJ, and the furniture has long been returned.

imo

[ScoobyDoo]

They didn't even know it was rented, they just took off with it. And it's been linked to and posted on this forum many times.


If they didn't know it was rented, how do you know it was rented? And what crime are you suggesting was committed?

[Emerald]

I always thought it weird the Family removed all the stuff they did yet they didn't bother to remove the medical paraphernalia. Not that they would have wanted to remove criminal evidence. They were in protective mode for their famous brother.

Yet, all the Family removed was stuff to make $$$ from MJ?

Something doesn't add up here, IMO.

[GentleBreeze]

I always thought it weird the Family removed all the stuff they did yet they didn't bother to remove the medical paraphernalia. Not that they would have wanted to remove criminal evidence. They were in protective mode for their famous brother.

Yet, all the Family removed was stuff to make $$$ from MJ?

Something doesn't add up here, IMO.

If they were in a protective mode they could have taken all the medication out of the home. LE didn't even know all of it was there at the time.

Doesn't sound like they were in a protective mode to me.

I do think they wanted to remove his possession before someone had sticky fingers and lifted them.

imo

[Poochie Pie]

it wasn´t just his father. His mother did not protect him, she let him abuse him. That´s not love either.

I do not believe the damage is ever irreversible. That´s just a bad excuse for not doing what is necessary to repair it. It is possible. Not with drugs, painkillers, propofol, etc of course. imo You are absolutely correct, feelings..!! I do blame her almost the same as his Father..!! Maybe even more so... You may be right.. I guess that is, in a way, a bad excuse.. I will give you that... However, With the notariety that surrounds Celebrities, it seems that most of them choose the "drug" path... Maybe because they can usually keep it private and unknown (for awhile at least) instead of choosing the correct path and having the world know of their issues and struggles... Sad... Thanks for the input.. :smile:

Poochie

[Roxxanne]

If they were in a protective mode they could have taken all the medication out of the home. LE didn't even know all of it was there at the time.

Doesn't sound like they were in a protective mode to me.

I do think they wanted to remove his possession before someone had sticky fingers and lifted them.

imo

Bolding what I'm addressing. That's what I think too. Whatever the reason was, just speaking for myself, I'd rather the family have the stuff than someone else getting their hands on it and making money.

[Firehead11]

That was years ago. I'm not saying there was something there, I am just speculating. Why would the taker want the hard drive? I seriously doubt the computer was the only place Michael stored new songs, movies, etc. JMO

Private emails, banking info?
will?
could be any number of things besides child porn.......

[Firehead11]

I hadn't heard they took off with rented furniture, but wouldn't the most logical explanation be to return it before the next billing cycle?

Wasn't there some 5 million dollars taken by nefarious folks, and returned later?

I think it was claimed that 2 million in cash and jewels were removed from the property. Then the next thing we heard was that 5.5 million in cash had been located/recoved/handed over depending on what article you believe.

[tiptop]

Private emails, banking info?
will?
could be any number of things besides child porn.......

Yes, all those things are possible. When I first read about the alleged taking of the drive by Latoya, the story concentrated on songs. I just thought that was odd that his computers would be the only place to store such important matters. But I posted a link upthread that said MJ did store a lot of songs on this drives that were no place else (if you can believe it). I think MJ was thinking about the future of his kids and its been said he had lots of songs, drawings and even some movies he had made over the years stashed away. JMO

[who_is_it]

Yes, all those things are possible. When I first read about the alleged taking of the drive by Latoya, the story concentrated on songs. I just thought that was odd that his computers would be the only place to store such important matters. But I posted a link upthread that said MJ did store a lot of songs on this drives that were no place else (if you can believe it). I think MJ was thinking about the future of his kids and its been said he had lots of songs, drawings and even some movies he had made over the years stashed away. JMO

Again my question to you (or others): Do you know what the original source of the story that Latoya took the harddisk was?

Imo the reasons why he held back so many songs were
a) his perfectionism
b) fear to be rejected by the public again

I just think of the wma awards. The news he was booed made it all over the world. The truth was that the audience screamed enthusiastically (proved by videos, available on youtube) THOUGH the performance more or less failed (children of the choir almost pushed him off stage when they tried to touch him). Imo this is another example why Michael became quite fearful of new releases or public appearances.

[who_is_it]

Vegas Pharmacy Raided -- Dr. Murray Connection


"DEA agents paid a visit to Applied Pharmacy Services in Las Vegas this morning, armed with a search warrant and TMZ was first on the scene.

Our law enforcement sources say they were looking for computer hard drive information and other documents relating to prescriptions for controlled substances written by Dr. Conrad Murray for Michael Jackson, and shipping information regarding drugs that may have been sent to Dr. Murray".
http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/11/vegas-pharmacy-raided-dr-murray-connection/

[mrsmcgoo]

I truly think things are going to get dirty between the Jackson's and the executor's of the estate.

The Jackson's should have hired security to watch over the house instead of rushing in and moving everything out. They have made a huge mistake that could land them in court for theft.

JMO

[GentleBreeze]

Again my question to you (or others): Do you know what the original source of the story that Latoya took the harddisk was?

Imo the reasons why he held back so many songs were
a) his perfectionism
b) fear to be rejected by the public again

I just think of the wma awards. The news he was booed made it all over the world. The truth was that the audience screamed enthusiastically (proved by videos, available on youtube) THOUGH the performance more or less failed (children of the choir almost pushed him off stage when they tried to touch him). Imo this is another example why Michael became quite fearful of new releases or public appearances.


Also if he had written the new songs and music if he did not reveal them then they wouldn't be included with Sony would they? I heard that it will be 2010 oe 11, before any of his new music can be released unless they decide to do it now and Sony makes money off of them.

imo

[tiptop]

Again my question to you (or others): Do you know what the original source of the story that Latoya took the harddisk was?

Imo the reasons why he held back so many songs were
a) his perfectionism
b) fear to be rejected by the public again

I just think of the wma awards. The news he was booed made it all over the world. The truth was that the audience screamed enthusiastically (proved by videos, available on youtube) THOUGH the performance more or less failed (children of the choir almost pushed him off stage when they tried to touch him). Imo this is another example why Michael became quite fearful of new releases or public appearances.

It seems we discussed the Latoya thing here on the boards but I dont recall the time frame. Here's one dated July 8:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/2730698/New-Michael-Jackson-songs-on-missing-hard-drives

And another from early this month:

http://www.javno.com/en-bestseller/new-michael-jackson-songs-on-missing-hard-drives_273607

I've been reading a lot about Michael since his death and my apparently inflammatory speculation came from hearing about Latoya once accusing Michael of molestation only later to recant.

I agree about Michael being a perfectionist. I also think he was a man able to stand up to some in the recording industry only to fold like a cheap suit at times when dealing with family or acquantances on a personal level. That seemed hard for him to do. I think he was a very lonely, insecure man when it came to Michael the person. But Michael the performer always prevailed. JMO

[Firehead11]

Again my question to you (or others): Do you know what the original source of the story that Latoya took the harddisk was?

Imo the reasons why he held back so many songs were
a) his perfectionism
b) fear to be rejected by the public again

I just think of the wma awards. The news he was booed made it all over the world. The truth was that the audience screamed enthusiastically (proved by videos, available on youtube) THOUGH the performance more or less failed (children of the choir almost pushed him off stage when they tried to touch him). Imo this is another example why Michael became quite fearful of new releases or public appearances.

Take your pick..............

http://www.bing.com/search?q=latoya+jackson+%2B+taking+hard+drive&FORM=MSNH11&qs=n

[CinderL.]

I do not really understand how Murray can purchase this propofol "legally"

I thought that all of the Dr.'s who have been interviewed have said it isn't a prescription drug. So I am with you, how did he get it legally?

[who_is_it]

Also if he had written the new songs and music if he did not reveal them then they wouldn't be included with Sony would they? I heard that it will be 2010 oe 11, before any of his new music can be released unless they decide to do it now and Sony makes money off of them.

imo

That was an article which I've posted before... but he headline had a question mark.

Imo Michael was very much okay again with Sony. If not e wouldn't have released the 25 years "Thriller" anniversary album which includes remakes of his old songs and one new song.

Sony also set up a professional website which Michael didn't have before.

[who_is_it]

<snipped for length>

I agree about Michael being a perfectionist. I also think he was a man able to stand up to some in the recording industry only to fold like a cheap suit at times when dealing with family or acquantances on a personal level. That seemed hard for him to do. I think he was a very lonely, insecure man when it came to Michael the person. But Michael the performer always prevailed. JMO

Thanx for the links.

Latoya is that kind of person I can't listen to. I've only once watched an interview on youtube... and had to stop it because the way she spoke got on my nerves.

I agree on most of your words about Michael. This is an article which confirms our impression. It's one of my FAVORITE articles published after his death:

Michael Jackson: the wounds, the broken heart
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-me-jackson-hilburn27-2009jun27,0,4897003.story

[CinderL.]

Thanx for the links.

Latoya is that kind of person I can't listen to. I've only once watched an interview on youtube... and had to stop it because the way she spoke got on my nerves.

I agree on most of your words about Michael. This is an article which confirms our impression. It's one of my FAVORITE articles published after his death:

Michael Jackson: the wounds, the broken heart
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-me-jackson-hilburn27-2009jun27,0,4897003.story

I think all of the Jackson's sound alike.

And, I really am beginning to have a problem with the poor Michael, he was abused stuff. Millions of people have had it much worse than MJ. Most have gone on to lead wonderful lives, sure some have probably turned to drugs, but many many don't. Read the book called "A Child Called It" by Dave Pelzer. http://www.davepelzer.com/ You want to talk about a lost childhood this is it. And there are thousands more like him. Michael Jackson, had every opportunity to get on with his life and forget his past. He chose not too.

As far as the other stuff, after the first accusation, he brought the rest on himself also, he refused to change his behavior. IMO

[who_is_it]

Pharmacy Raided in Jackson Investigation

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/12/us/12jackson.html

Even the NY Times reports about it...

I was confused by your other link because the business directory's name which showed the data of the pharmacy which was raided is the same like the name of a questionable company which is run by Joe Francis.

[who_is_it]

I think all of the Jackson's sound alike.

And, I really am beginning to have a problem with the poor Michael, he was abused stuff. Millions of people have had it much worse than MJ. Most have gone on to lead wonderful lives, sure some have probably turned to drugs, but many many don't. Read the book called "A Child Called It" by Dave Pelzer. http://www.davepelzer.com/ You want to talk about a lost childhood this is it. And there are thousands more like him. Michael Jackson, had every opportunity to get on with his life and forget his past. He chose not too.

As far as the other stuff, after the first accusation, he brought the rest on himself also, he refused to change his behavior. IMO

I agree with you that he had opportunities other people hadn't... but he was also bashed by millions like Joe Doe isn't.

Thanx for the link but I won't time to read the book. I haven't finished a 400 pages book (which isn't about Michael) and now ordered a book about Michael Jackson. I'm going to have a look at the website, though.

[who_is_it]

I do not really understand how Murray can purchase this propofol "legally"

By all what I've read here he was neither licensed to purchase nor to administer it.

[retiredcop]

By all what I've read here he was neither licensed to purchase nor to administer it.

Do you have to have a special license for that? If so what type of license is that?

in my opinion

[CinderL.]

Why not? It's not a controlled substance. We've been all over this before on this forum.

in my opinion

Yes, we have. We have heard over and over it isn't a prescription drug, that you couldn't get it from a regular pharmacy. So I wonder if all of the information we have heard before is wrong????

[who_is_it]

Do you have to have a special license for that? If so what type of license is that?

in my opinion

As far as I remember it was discussed here that one has to be an anesthesiologist or surgeon... but I could be wrong. Other posters who work in medical professions might know better than I do.

[retiredcop]

Yes, we have. We have heard over and over it isn't a prescription drug, that you couldn't get it from a regular pharmacy. So I wonder if all of the information we have heard before is wrong????

I don't know why it would be wrong. I don't think it was ever a controlled substance because it was thought it wouldn't likely be abused.

in my opinion

[retiredcop]

As far as I remember it was discussed here that one has to be an anesthesiologist or surgeon... but I could be wrong. Other posters who work in medical professions might know better than I do.

No, the conclusion was it wouldn't be illegal for any doctor to administer it in a setting other than a hospital. Nothing about only anesthesiologist can administer the drug.

in my opinion

[retiredcop]

that´s what I remember too. You have to have completed training and be qualified to use it. That any doctor can get this legally at a pharmacy is strange. imo

I wish you had a link to that because I sure couldn't find anything about that. Maybe a hospital has their doctors do that. Who knows? Where do hospitals get the drug is what I would like to know.

in my opinion

[retiredcop]

I would think a pharmacy could get the drug if someone wanted it. Pharmacies get their drugs through wholesalers who get the drug from manufacturers.

Each pharmacy has different wholesaler. Example, Walgreens would us a certain wholesaler. Publix in Florida used a certain wholesaler. Little pharmacies have wholesalers.

No one buys directly from the manufacturer of the drug in question.

in my opinion

[Kathlb]

You're right, that was the conclusion. The only illegal part IMO is writing scripts out to aliases.

What surprises me is that if (as has been alluded to by those who know him personally) he has been using it at home with the Dr. who is recently treating him, then how in the world did that Dr. get the drug in the quantity that he undoubtedly did, (and I'm convinced he did) without alarm bells going off somewhere. He isn't an anesthesiologist.

[ScoobyDoo]

I doubt it......If he did, he picked a shrink with the same brilliance he chose his doctors. imo


There really shouldn't be so many incompetent doctors to choose from. Brilliance won't guarantee you an ethical and competant doctor.

[CinderL.]

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/11/michael-jackson-dr-conrad-murray-propofol-search-las-vegas/

Propofol Link at Pharmacy in Jackson Case

According to the link above, that pharmacy is a home infusion pharmacy. I really didn't know what that meant, so I found this. It is not the same pharmacy but explains what this type of pharmacy does.

http://my.clevelandclinic.org/home_care/services/home_infusion_pharmacy.aspx

[retiredcop]

There are out-patient services that use propofol/diprivan so I would imagine a doctor would/could get it from a pharmcy:

Americanbergen is the distributor of propofol and they do sell to pharmacies:

"AmerisourceBergen NYSE: ABC is a Chesterbrook, PA based Drug Wholesale company that was formed by the merger of Bergen Brunswig and AmeriSource in 2001. They provide drug distribution and related services designed to reduce costs and improve patient outcomes, distribute a line of brand name and generic pharmaceuticals, over-the-counter (OTC) health care products and home health care supplies and equipment to a wide variety of health care providers located throughout the United States, including acute care hospitals and health systems, independent and chain retail pharmacies, mail-order facilities, physicians, clinics and other alternate site facilities, as well as skilled nursing and assisted living centers."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmerisourceBergen

"Federal drug agents have contacted a major maker of propofol, Teva Pharmaceuticals, and drug distributor AmerisourceBergen Corp. Authorities asked AmerisourceBergen for sales data on propofol and its brand-name counterpart Diprivan to doctors, pharmacies and hospitals, company spokesman Michael Kilpatric told The Associated Press."

http://www.10news.com/entertainment/20080260/detail.html

Great link. That's how it works. I found out a lot about that when the only company making a generic had a recall and the original manufacturer was back logged.

in my opinion

[retiredcop]

yes. Maybe this is a case where anyone could buy this drug but only special doctors are actually allowed to use it. imo

That's not true at all. Show me some information on that. You have to stop thinking illegal here or allowed here with this drug. This is not a controlled substance.

in my opinion

[ScoobyDoo]

You're right, that was the conclusion. The only illegal part IMO is writing scripts out to aliases.


He could have administered it on the moon, but if he did so in such a reckless manner, contrary to the standard of care, and with complete disrgard for life...and that life ends up dead... it becomes a criminal matter.

[Kathlb]

According to the link above, that pharmacy is a home infusion pharmacy. I really didn't know what that meant, so I found this. It is not the same pharmacy but explains what this type of pharmacy does.

http://my.clevelandclinic.org/home_care/services/home_infusion_pharmacy.aspx

Well, you learn something new every day. :-) I had no idea that home infusion pharmacies existed. :tongueside:

[retiredcop]

that wasn´t the conclusion. I think it is illegal to administer this without the proper training and clinical setting. If your neighbors vet administered propofol to someone in a garage, this would be illegal. imo

Oh come on now.

in my opinion

[retiredcop]

He could have administered it on the moon, but if he did so in such a reckless manner, contrary to the standard of care, and with complete disrgard for life...and that life ends up dead... it becomes a criminal matter.

We've been all through this before. I don't think he will be charged with getting the drug and administering it in a home setting.

If something was done wrong in administering it that is a different matter. Again, two separate things.

in my opinion

[ScoobyDoo]

We've been all through this before. I don't think he will be charged with getting the drug and administering it in a home setting.

If something was done wrong in administering it that is a different matter. Again, two separate things.

in my opinion


If it wasn't done wrong MJ would still be alive. And if it had been done right, there would have been the requisite life saving monitors and equipment on site, and the lack of proper equipment results in a death, you can and should be charged.

[ScoobyDoo]

I think it rather obvious he didn't want a "good" doctor.

It wasn't obvious to me. A 150,000 a month doctor should have some life saving knowledge and skills.

[ScoobyDoo]

You don't know that.

We're all speculating...it could be that MJ took stuff that he had prescribed by other doctors in his system....stuff that Dr. Murray didn't even know about. It could be that a lethal combo is to blame.

We just don't know

Thats true.. we don't know. Even the news reports have speculated, based on their sources, that diprovan was the lethal dose, and direct cause of death. They might surprise us all, and say a spider bit him or something.

[GentleBreeze]

If it wasn't done wrong MJ would still be alive. And if it had been done right, there would have been the requisite life saving monitors and equipment on site, and the lack of proper equipment results in a death, you can and should be charged.

Exactly. It may not be illegal for Murray to have the drug but it sure is negligent homicide when he takes that drug and improperly administers it and fails to monitor his patient throughout the procedure, resulting in the patient's death.

He did not think about Murray at first or he wouldn't have asked Nurse Lee for it or the other physician about obtaining it.

I think he thought of Murray because he knew Murray had been his idol's (James Brown) personal physician.

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272627244.shtml

Michael Jackson's doctor (Dr. Conrad Murray) was also the physician to the late Godfather of Soul James Brown, according to reports. Dr. Conrad Murray is at the heart of the probe into the June death of the King of Pop from cardiac arrest. Murray is allegedly among a group of 'feel good' physicians to work for high-profile celebrities in the 1990s, the New York Post claims.

[retiredcop]

He also found a physician that needed money. It's like the two of them were meant for each other.

in my opinio

[CinderL.]

Well, you learn something new every day. :-) I had no idea that home infusion pharmacies existed. :tongueside:

Me either. :ohmy:

[CinderL.]

Found this too. It is a compounding pharmacy:

What is a compounding pharmacy?
A compounding pharmacy is a special kind of pharmacy that specializes in the preparation of medications by mixing raw ingredients. Until the advent of mass drug manufacturing in the 1950s, compounding was the way virtually all pharmacists practiced. In the 1930s and 1940s, approximately 60% of all medications were compounded, as opposed to about 1% today.

Today, compounding pharmacies specialize mainly in the preparation of medicines that are customized to meet the needs of specific patients. This includes preparing medicines for patients who have allergies to certain ingredients found in mass-produced drugs; liquid versions of solid medicines to make them easier to swallow; flavored medicines for children; cream or gel-based versions of a medication for topical application (as well as other delivery methods); medicines that have been discontinued by a manufacturer; or medicines of a different dosage or concentration than that which is typically available. Compounding pharmacies allow for more flexibility, options, and customization than are typically available from pharmaceutical companies.

http://www.ftmguide.org/compounding.html


Compounding Pharmacies-U.S.-N-Z

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/endohystnhrt/pharmacy2.html


I think there was something about a compounding pharmacy in the ANS case.

[who_is_it]

Exactly. It may not be illegal for Murray to have the drug but it sure is negligent homicide when he takes that drug and improperly administers it and fails to monitor his patient throughout the procedure, resulting in the patient's death.

He did not think about Murray at first or he wouldn't have asked Nurse Lee for it or the other physician about obtaining it.

I think he thought of Murray because he knew Murray had been his idol's (James Brown) personal physician.

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272627244.shtml

Michael Jackson's doctor (Dr. Conrad Murray) was also the physician to the late Godfather of Soul James Brown, according to reports. Dr. Conrad Murray is at the heart of the probe into the June death of the King of Pop from cardiac arrest. Murray is allegedly among a group of 'feel good' physicians to work for high-profile celebrities in the 1990s, the New York Post claims.

Thanx for the interesting information that Dr. Murray was James Brown's doctor.

Here's Michael Jackson at James Brown's funeral:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&v=cRCmDvX50S4

It's a phenomena many people couldn't stop to hug and touch Michael (1:47): first the woman, then Reverend Al Sharpton.

[ScoobyDoo]

He also found a physician that needed money. It's like the two of them were meant for each other.

in my opinio

Perhaps in a tragic sort of way.

[GentleBreeze]

Perhaps in a tragic sort of way.

There is nothing even supporting that Michael knew about Murray's financial problems. He had probably always held him in high regard because he had been James Brown's physician and maybe other well knowns that we aren't privy to at this time.

I am sure with Murray and his big fancy house in LV that MJ thought he was highly successful and I am sure that Murray wanted to appear that way.

imo

[who_is_it]

did you see motown´s web site? It´s all about Michael Jackson. I liked what they did to remember him very very much.

I think these are producers, and that they feel and actually were very close to him. None of the cash is going to Michael Jackson himself anymore. These producers are keeping his work alive. IMO

I think his last collaborators are fine people, too.

Here's a link for you as you're from Berlin:

Michael Jackson keeps dominating the [German] album charts:

#1 "King of pop" (best-of-album)
#2 "The Collection"
#4 "Number ones"

His albums top the German charts since 6 weeks.

http://www.zeit.de/newsticker/2009/8/11/iptc-bdt-20090811-316-22058116xml
(by German news agency dpa; the title and the essential information are translated)

[who_is_it]

There is nothing even supporting that Michael knew about Murray's financial problems. He had probably always held him in high regard because he had been James Brown's physician and maybe other well knowns that we aren't privy to at this time.

I am sure with Murray and his big fancy house in LV that MJ thought he was highly successful and I am sure that Murray wanted to appear that way.

imo

I totally agree. That's my impression as well.

[CinderL.]

Any way you look at it Dr. Murray is done. I bet he will loose his license, if not be in trouble legally.

[Rayosunshine]

No, the conclusion was it wouldn't be illegal for any doctor to administer it in a setting other than a hospital. Nothing about only anesthesiologist can administer the drug.

in my opinion

Right, it would not be illegal for any doctor to administer this drug, anywhere he wants to, but and that's a big but, would his actions be in line with acceptable standards of care? Whether or not the FDA, AMA or any other group will say Dr. Murray's standard of care is not acceptable remains to be seen. As an R.N. speaking, if he did administer propofol to MJ in the home and contributed to his death, that is gross negligence, bordering on murder, in my mind. Dr. Murray would not want me on the peer review for his actions.

[Rayosunshine]

AP Source: Michael Jackson's doctor bought anesthetic from Las Vegas pharmacy

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hitISYixOv_DC0ABZeYzc6dg2BDAD9A0UQM81

here it says they are investigating for manslaughter and Propofol administered at home was a major factor. Sure sounds like administering Propofol was illegal under the circumstances. imo

"First do no harm" - I guess Dr. Murray missed that part when he was taking his oath as an M.D.

I hope they nail him to a cross.

[Rayosunshine]

AP Source: Michael Jackson's doctor bought anesthetic from Las Vegas pharmacy

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hitISYixOv_DC0ABZeYzc6dg2BDAD9A0UQM81

here it says they are investigating for manslaughter and Propofol administered at home was a major factor. Sure sounds like administering Propofol was illegal under the circumstances. imo

Too bad they can't slap a murder charge on Murray. (Not that I am a big MJ fan, but as a member of the health profession I find his actions to be heinous (I hope I spelled that right). Murray should have known what the potential was for injury/death - his actions are totally inexcusable. (sometimes I am embarrassed to say I am a member of the health profession)

[Firehead11]

Any way you look at it Dr. Murray is done. I bet he will loose his license, if not be in trouble legally.

He should be done. I understand when a doctor can make a mistake,, after all they are human but this isn't a mistake, this was pure greed for the almighty dollar that he needed to save his arse.

[ScoobyDoo]

Too bad they can't slap a murder charge on Murray. (Not that I am a big MJ fan, but as a member of the health profession I find his actions to be heinous (I hope I spelled that right). Murray should have known what the potential was for injury/death - his actions are totally inexcusable. (sometimes I am embarrassed to say I am a member of the health profession)


I'm sure we would all feel safe in your care. I think Dr. Murray can be charged with 2nd degree murder, or a manslaughter charge, based on what seem to be the facts surrounding Michael's death. Whether he goes to prison or not, is another story.

[Unperson1984]

There's a compounding pharmacy right up the street from me. I get a script for a pet filled there.

I used one in Arizona for my dog's meds.

[daniel green]

Yes, we have. We have heard over and over it isn't a prescription drug, that you couldn't get it from a regular pharmacy. So I wonder if all of the information we have heard before is wrong????

The NYT articles says the warrant was for EVERYTHING he got for MJ at that pharmacy.

[daniel green]

snipped
I hope they nail him to a cross.

ACK. That is rather extreme.

[daniel green]

You think MJ drove around looking at doctor's houses as a prerequisite for choosing a doctor? ....eyeroll.....

“James Brown and Michael Jackson were inseparable and they used the same ’safe doctors’ — doctors who would get them anything they wanted,” the New York Post quoted Brown’s long-time producer and assistant, Jacque Hollander, as saying.

“If James Brown wanted drugs, he knew he could get them from these safe doctors in Dallas, Houston, Las Vegas and Los Angeles,” Hollander said."

http://www.newspostonline.com/entertainment/michael-jackson-mjs-doc-also-catered-to-drug-addled-james-browns-needs-2009080664999

No mystery to me why MJ chose Dr. Murray. IMO

It's what all addicts who doctor shop do. Whether they are rich celebs, or poor.

[daniel green]

Not the first time this pharmacy has been in trouble - believe this is a chain and this one was located in AL

Applied Pharmacy Services:

Applied Pharmacy Services (APS), a popular compounding pharmacy that provided a wide variety of anabolic steroid products, was indicted on charges of conspiracy and distribution of anabolic steroids. The 198-count federal indictment identifies twelve individuals, many identified as steroid dealers, as part of the Applied Pharmacy Services steroid distribution network including owners, pharmacists, doctors, and other businessmen (”Alabama pharmacy indicted for role in performance-enhancing drug ring,” January 23).

http://www.steroid.com/blog/tag/applied-pharmacy-services/

Well, bingo. What a coindinky. :rolleyes:

[daniel green]

We did some checking ... Applied Pharmacy Services is a home infusion pharmacy -- meaning they specialize in infusions in the home. Interesting. As we first reported, the DEA searched the pharmacy for documents, computer hard drives, prescriptions and shipping information of controlled substances that may have been given to Jackson by Dr. Murray.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/11/michael-jackson-dr-conrad-murray-propofol-search-las-vegas/

[daniel green]

I did not realize till today that MJ had not toured since 1997. :ohmy:

[daniel green]

And the docs who over Rx always have a friendly pharmacy where their patients are told to get their Rxs.

There was one of these docs in SC who was Rxing to pro athletes from around the country and lo and behold, he owned a pharmacy right next door to his practice.

[daniel green]

A judge has tapped a partner at a downtown Los Angeles law firm specializing in probate matters to serve as a special guardian for Michael Jackson’s children in the settling of their father’s estate. The attorney, Margaret G. Lodise, is to advocate for the best interests of the performer’s two sons and daughter in the sometimes-contentious process of putting Jackson’s affairs in order. Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff said today he was appointing a lawyer, known as a guardian ad litem, to represent the children because of disputes between the estate's administrators and Jackson’s mother, the other major beneficiary of his lucrative music empire.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/08/judge-appoints-a-special-guardian-for-michael-jacksons-children-to-settle-estate.html

[daniel green]

The warrants, signed by District Judge Timothy Williams and given to CNN by Las Vegas affiliate KTNV, say that "there is probable cause to believe" that the searches would uncover evidence at Murray's home and office of excessive prescribing, prescribing to an addict, prescribing to or treating an addict and manslaughter. They cite "probable cause to believe" that the premises contained "records, shipping orders, distribution lists, use records relating to the purchase, transfer ordering, delivery and storage of propofol (Diprivan)."... source involved with the inquiry into Jackson's death has said that investigators found numerous bottles of prescription drugs in his $100,000-a-month rented mansion in Holmby Hills, California.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/08/11/jackson.search/

[daniel green]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j4jUg5uoRsm2j25bWCjjw0NyC-JgD9A0OEJ01

[daniel green]

Federal Drug Enforcement Administration agents, DEA Diversion unit inspectors and LAPD investigators were all involved in the actions, which will include an audit of the pharmacy's inventory as well as the collection of documents, records and other evidence. According to law enforcement officials familiar with the investigation, the warrant was issued "for items of interest in a criminal investigation" because evidence already obtained allegedly suggests that Murray obtained both regulated and unregulated drugs from Applied Pharmacy Services, 6370 West Flamingo #1, Las Vegas.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/MichaelJackson/story?id=8302959&page=1

[daniel green]

He has been buried already. The family is just keeping it private. I posted two different links yesterday.

I linked to the AP report from 8 hrs ago. I trust AP.

[CinderL.]

He has been buried already. The family is just keeping it private. I posted two different links yesterday.

I am sorry, but what makes your links any more valid than another poster? There are many conflicting stories.

[CinderL.]

:laugh: I just love NG's, what I call Nancyisums. Tonight she was talking about not leaving her twins alone. "They aren't left alone, unless someone is with them". :lol::lol: She always gives me a laugh.

[Unperson1984]

:laugh: I just love NG's, what I call Nancyisums. Tonight she was talking about not leaving her twins alone. "They aren't left alone, unless someone is with them". :lol::lol: She always gives me a laugh.

That's right up there with "he woke up dead."

[CinderL.]

That's right up there with "he woke up dead."

Or how ANS died of post mortum depression. :biggrin:

[retiredcop]

I didn't know Elvis's doctor was acquitted of all prescription charges in his death. I had thought it was posted on here he was found guilty. It's very hard to convict a doctor.

http://www.nytimes.com/1981/11/05/us/presley-s-doctor-acquitted-on-all-prescription-charges.html

in my opinion

[Mamie]

It's no secret James Brown was a drug addict too.

"According to a former law-enforcement source, Dr. Conrad Murray, who is under investigation for Jackson’s death, had also catered to the needs of drug-addled Godfather of Soul James Brown.

“James Brown and Michael Jackson were inseparable and they used the same ’safe doctors’ — doctors who would get them anything they wanted,” the New York Post quoted Brown’s long-time producer and assistant, Jacque Hollander, as saying"

http://www.newspostonline.com/entertainment/michael-jackson-mjs-doc-also-catered-to-drug-addled-james-browns-needs-2009080664999

He didn't pick this doctor because he thought he was a great doctor. He hired him because he knew he could get exactly what he wanted. imo

I wonder what other comparisons there might be, like when was the last time Murray saw James Brown in a professional capacity. I know that it is said that James Brown died of congestive heart failure but do you know how many older people are diagnosed with that and don't have it? The number is astounding! JMO

[CinderL.]

The Jacksons are just not giving info to the press IMO and I don't blame them.

JACKSON BURIED - REPORTS

MICHAEL JACKSON has reportedly been laid to rest.
The King Of Pop is believed to have been interred in a mausoleum owned by his close friend, Motown mogul Berry Gordy, in Forest Lawn Memorial Park in Los Angeles' Hollywood Hills on Thursday (06Aug09).
Family members, including Jackson's dad Joe and sister La Toya, were present at the secret ceremony, reports Britain's Daily Star.
The final farewell took place just hours after Jackson's brain was returned to the clan, following the organ's removal by coroners for testing to determine the cause of death.
A source tells the newspaper, "After Michael's high-profile funeral, the family were desperate to say goodbye privately and away from the cameras. His mother Katherine in particular was very uncomfortable with his body being in pieces due to the autopsies and wanted him laid to rest as soon as they were allowed.
"Within hours of the brain being returned, Michael was placed in the crypt. There was a casual ceremony with around 20 close friends and family.
"There were no prayers said, no speeches, everyone just reflected silently on their personal memories of Michael."
And former friend of Jackson's, Uri Geller, has indicated that the reports are true.
He tells British morning show GMTV, "As far as I understand he has (been buried), but rumours are flying constantly non stop."

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/jackson-buried---reports_1112363

And Daniel Green posted this from the AP....so which one right.?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j4jUg5uoRsm2j25bWCjjw0NyC-JgD9A0OEJ01

[Mamie]

I would imagine MJ being laid to rest would be big, big news. I do not believe it has happened yet. I do believe that KJ is anxious to lay him to rest. JMO

[CinderL.]

Not to be disrespectful...but bolding a man's statement whose sole achievement was spoon bending....doesn't convince me of anything.


Spoon Bending?????:laugh::laugh:

[Mamie]

Note that the article posted above is based on Jermaine's interview from Friday night. JMO

Maybe I'm missing something here, but what does Jermaine's interview with LK have to do with MJ being buried already or not buried yet? I don't believe MJ has been buried yet. JMO

[GentleBreeze]

I didn't know Elvis's doctor was acquitted of all prescription charges in his death. I had thought it was posted on here he was found guilty. It's very hard to convict a doctor.

http://www.nytimes.com/1981/11/05/us/presley-s-doctor-acquitted-on-all-prescription-charges.html

in my opinion

Different times and totally different mindsets now imo.

Today it is more well known how some doctors become licensed drug dealers. And this case wont be about the amount of prescription drugs that he may have prescribed for MJ but how totally negligent he was when administering Diprivan with no monitoring of his patient.

It wouldn't surprise me if only traces of another drug was found and not in a large quantity.

Apples and oranges between the two cases imo.

imo

[who_is_it]

did you see motown´s web site? It´s all about Michael Jackson. I liked what they did to remember him very very much.

I think these are producers, and that they feel and actually were very close to him. None of the cash is going to Michael Jackson himself anymore. These producers are keeping his work alive. IMO

Yes, the words on the Motown site which are dedicated to Michael are very nice.

Motown founder Berry Gordy spoke at the memorial, too; one part of the speech I personally didn't approve.

Here's a nice video which shows Michael and his Motown friend Diana Ross. He jumps on the stage and joins her performance of "Upside down".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haoXt4SHxhc

I believe there was "more" between Diana Ross and Michael than just friendship -- just my personal belief.

[GentleBreeze]

I would imagine MJ being laid to rest would be big, big news. I do not believe it has happened yet. I do believe that KJ is anxious to lay him to rest. JMO

Frankly I hope since he has long been at Forest Lawn that he has been buried or entombed by now, right there and no one knows where but his family.

I don't believe the administrators at Forest Lawn would allow the media to invade a private area. They are very use to keeping things secure and private.

imo

[Mamie]

Frankly I hope since he has long been at Forest Lawn that he has been buried or entombed by now, right there and no one knows where but his family.

I don't believe the administrators at Forest Lawn would allow the media to invade a private area. They are very use to keeping things secure and private.

imo

Yes, FL is known for that. But I would think that the someone in the family would make a public statement that Michael has been laid to rest, etc., etc. so that the public no longer has to banter back and forth whether he has or he hasn't. Trust me, even as quiet as FL likes to keep things, someone would have news of it----just like the British tabloid says they got the word. JMO

[who_is_it]

Spoon Bending?????:laugh::laugh:

Michael's friend Uri Geller is a magician and the spoon bending thing is what made him famous.

"Geller rose to fame after performing a series of televised performances, demonstrating what he claimed to be psychokinesis."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uri_Geller

[who_is_it]

Which part didn't you approve of?

I don't want to share my complex thoughts about the memorial speeches at the board.

[CinderL.]

You must not be old enough;) to remember him.. He was big in the 1970's Yeah...claimed to have "special powers" given to him from extraterrestrials...HUGE eyeroll........BENDING SPOONS was his big gimick...until Johnny Carson exposed him along with James Randi.

Well, I am plenty old enough. :laugh: But, somehow I missed that. :ohmy:

[ScoobyDoo]

Michael's friend Uri Geller is a magician and the spoon bending thing is what made him famous.

"Geller rose to fame after performing a series of televised performances, demonstrating what he claimed to be psychokinesis."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uri_Geller


I bend spoons all the time when I try to scoop out ice cream that is too hard and frozen.

[GentleBreeze]

Yes, FL is known for that. But I would think that the someone in the family would make a public statement that Michael has been laid to rest, etc., etc. so that the public no longer has to banter back and forth whether he has or he hasn't. Trust me, even as quiet as FL likes to keep things, someone would have news of it----just like the British tabloid says they got the word. JMO

I think the family has to be enjoying the guessing game going on in the media. I hope for once the family makes fools out of the media. lol

It was said that the cemetery workers have even sent those who have asked in different directions. Like he is going to be here <<<<........and then one says he is going to be there>>>>>:laugh:

Forest Lawn has long dealt with issues like this. Maybe not as famous as MJ was but famous stars and some of them have unmarked graves or crypts. I just think if anyone can pull this off it is the owners/administrators of Forest Lawn and from what I understand there is security there also.

imo

[Mamie]

Yes, the words on the Motown site which are dedicated to Michael are very nice.

Motown founder Berry Gordy spoke at the memorial, too; one part of the speech I personally didn't approve.

Here's a nice video which shows Michael and his Motown friend Diana Ross. He jumps on the stage and joins her performance of "Upside down".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haoXt4SHxhc

I believe there was "more" between Diana Ross and Michael than just friendship -- just my personal belief.

You just might have something there------I loved the way he came up and greeted her on both stages of the videos I watched. JMO

[CinderL.]

In other words...Uri Geller was a FRAUD and a LIAR.

I don't know if he is a fraud or a liar, but, my point is when there are conflicting links about the same story, or "fact", one person's link is not anymore valid as the other. Yours came from AP which is usually pretty accurate. If I had to chose, I would probably go with the AP article. But, :shrug: don't know.

[who_is_it]

I didn't watch the memorial...was just curious. I heard it was beautiful. I did see a clip on tv with Brooke Sheilds. That was it tho.

Most speeches you can find on youtube. I've watched some... but still not all speeches because it makes too sad. I also had to cry when I saw Paris and when I watched old Michael Jackson interviews and performances on youtube -- most of them I didn't know before.

[CinderL.]

I bend spoons all the time when I try to scoop out ice cream that is too hard and frozen.
:laugh:........

[who_is_it]

I bend spoons all the time when I try to scoop out ice cream that is too hard and frozen.

ROFLMAO - me, too, me, too....

[CinderL.]

I didn't link one...did I?

I'm Too Darn Tired and say goodnight ...lol

I just doubt he's buried...only an opinion though

Opps, no you didn't, Daniel did.

[Mamie]

I think the family has to be enjoying the guessing game going on in the media. I hope for once the family makes fools out of the media. lol

It was said that the cemetery workers have even sent those who have asked in different directions. Like he is going to be here <<<<........and then one says he is going to be there>>>>>:laugh:

Forest Lawn has long dealt with issues like this. Maybe not as famous as MJ was but famous stars and some of them have unmarked graves or crypts. I just think if anyone can pull this off it is the owners/administrators of Forest Lawn and from what I understand there is security there also.
imo

Oh absolutely, there is!

It's still hard to think of him as being gone. When I see his picture-----anywhere----for a split second I still think it can't be true that it must be a hoax, but then that second is over. JMO

[who_is_it]

In other words...Uri Geller was a FRAUD and a LIAR.

I don't think one could generalize...

... but, well, as I liked that sincere comment about your tireness: Around 2 years ago he announced a big experiment to take place on German television but it failed for any reasons. I haven't watched it; we talked about it at work.

I also sometimes questioned his friendship with Michael. Imo Uri is out on fame to a certain degree.

[Mamie]

I bend spoons all the time when I try to scoop out ice cream that is too hard and frozen.

LOL-----me too, now. That is the only drawback with this new fridge I got----the ice cream is too hard! But boy does it make ice in a flash. Heck, almost in a splash! LOL

[Mamie]

LMAO! Can't argue with that. :biggrin: Cinder's correct -- it may or may not be true however what I have found since MJ's death is that the Jackson family for whatever reason talks to the UK papers not to the media here which is one of the reasons I am inclined to believe it. Having said that -- of course I have to concede I absolutely have no idea. JMO

And you know this how? I'm very curious as to why any of the Jackson family would take the UK papers under their wing to share their secrets with. And while I'm asking, do you happen to know which Jackson it might be? TIA!

[Mamie]

Because every article that has appeared where a Jackson has given an interview has been through the UK papers. I would also imagine it is because the UK media in general has been much kinder to MJ than the US media and that has been for a long time. Regardless of what people think about Oxman; he has stayed in contact with the Jackson family :shrug:

But that doesn't mean that the Jacksons are talking to the UK media which i what you said! That means nothing of the sort, it simply means that the UK media picked up an interview that (for the latest example) Jermaine happened to give to Larry King. That's all. It's OP me too stuff----meaning anyone can have it.

[Mamie]

No -- Oxman was interviewed by UK's GMTV.

And he's not a Jackson, now is he? Oxman can say anything he wants to to whomever he wants to and yes he's been linked for years to the Jackson family but that's not a Jackson giving an interview to UK media----which is what you said. :ohmy: