Chris Coleman Documents, 8/7 thru 9/29

[Musterion]

Pages of Chris' confidential info and reviews:

http://www.fox2now.com/media/acrobat/2009-08/48532422.pdf

"The documents also contain a "personality profile" apparently completed by Coleman. It's a checklist where he noted strengths like "tolerant," "faithful," and a "planner." He checked weaknesses such as "unsympathetic," "unaffectionate," and "crafty."

We also found a paragraph of the computer policy interesting -- based on how police say that first threat in November came from the suspect's work computer. The paragraph reads "Delete doesn't mean delete forever." and "Never say anything in an e-mail that you wouldn't want known in public (or read out loud in front of a jury.)"

http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-coleman-work-documents-080709-story,0,623375.story

Crafty. Dictionary.com relays 'crafty' as: skillful in underhand or evil schemes; cunning; deceitful; sly. :sad:

IMO.
M.

[Ice Cycle]

I had read this yesterday as tried to keep a eye on what is going on in this case, as this is one that I would like to be in the court room for, (minus too many details).
I especially liked the document that he describes his opinion of himself, LOYAL and all his GOD LOVING QUALITIES.

[darcie]

Records: Coleman was model employee for Joyce Meyer Ministries

Coleman more than doubled his salary in less than eight years from $41,600 in November 2000 to $100,000 in November 2008 and earned glowing reviews from his bosses.

"Chris is a very good manager. ... He operates in wisdom and intuition. He is hard working, diligent and very trustworthy," wrote Coleman's division manager, Paul Schumann, in his Jan. 23, 2004, review. "God has definitely blessed him with his wisdom and discernment."

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:sad:

[darcie]

http://suburbanjournals.stltoday.com/articles/2009/08/12/monroe/news/0812cla-bikers0.txt

But they all came together for one simple reason: To remember the lives of Sheri, Gavin and Garett Coleman.

Murdered May 5 in their Columbia home, the Colemans have received an outpouring of support and love since the tragedy. One would be hard pressed, however, to top the scene at Bolm-Schuhkraft Memorial Park Saturday.

"This is amazing," said Meegan Turnbeaugh, Sheri Coleman's best friend and founder of the site sheriannherboys.com. "I am so thrilled that we have such great people in the community and by the grace of God we are able to remember them today."
:thumbup:

[Musterion]

http://suburbanjournals.stltoday.com/articles/2009/08/12/monroe/news/0812cla-bikers0.txt

But they all came together for one simple reason: To remember the lives of Sheri, Gavin and Garett Coleman.

Murdered May 5 in their Columbia home, the Colemans have received an outpouring of support and love since the tragedy. One would be hard pressed, however, to top the scene at Bolm-Schuhkraft Memorial Park Saturday.

"This is amazing," said Meegan Turnbeaugh, Sheri Coleman's best friend and founder of the site sheriannherboys.com. "I am so thrilled that we have such great people in the community and by the grace of God we are able to remember them today."
:thumbup:

That's awesome, darcie!

Thank you for posting and keeping us updated.

IMO.
M.

[EMAA]

Darcie, are you in the area where this is taking place?

[Musterion]

Records: Coleman was model employee for Joyce Meyer Ministries

Coleman more than doubled his salary in less than eight years from $41,600 in November 2000 to $100,000 in November 2008 and earned glowing reviews from his bosses.

"Chris is a very good manager. ... He operates in wisdom and intuition. He is hard working, diligent and very trustworthy," wrote Coleman's division manager, Paul Schumann, in his Jan. 23, 2004, review. "God has definitely blessed him with his wisdom and discernment."

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:sad:

Maybe this just goes to show how fooled people can be. Chris was very good at his job and, no doubt, said what needed to be said so he would be viewed favourably.

It seems, we find, more and more, that the people we think we know, we don't really know. In many cases.

IMO.
M.

[darcie]

Sheri Coleman's family seeking more information from ministry

COLUMBIA, ILL. — Attorneys for Sheri Coleman's family are seeking additional information from Joyce Meyer Ministries in their wrongful death civil suit against Chris Coleman.

The ministry says it's an unfair "fishing expedition."

Sheri Coleman's family's attorneys this week submitted a second round of interrogatories to the ministry, where Chris Coleman worked as security chief before he was arrested for allegedly strangling his wife, Sheri, and two young sons on May 5.

The questions ask about Coleman's computer, cell phone, home security system and travel to Hawaii, where police say he carried on an affair with one of Sheri Coleman's high school friends.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/AB332DEA9EB839AE86257612000C302A?OpenDocument

[Musterion]

Sheri Coleman's family seeking more information from ministry

COLUMBIA, ILL. — Attorneys for Sheri Coleman's family are seeking additional information from Joyce Meyer Ministries in their wrongful death civil suit against Chris Coleman.

The ministry says it's an unfair "fishing expedition."

Sheri Coleman's family's attorneys this week submitted a second round of interrogatories to the ministry, where Chris Coleman worked as security chief before he was arrested for allegedly strangling his wife, Sheri, and two young sons on May 5.

The questions ask about Coleman's computer, cell phone, home security system and travel to Hawaii, where police say he carried on an affair with one of Sheri Coleman's high school friends.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/AB332DEA9EB839AE86257612000C302A?OpenDocument

Thanks for the link, darcie!

From that same article:

"Plaintiff's attorneys are asking the ministry to provide "any and all death threats received by Joyce Meyer Ministries Inc. in the past 36 months."

I have to wonder why they want death threats toward JMM for the last three years?

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/09111898D0570B14862576130001D1E1?OpenDocument

IMO.
M.

[Clara Harris]

Maybe this just goes to show how fooled people can be. Chris was very good at his job and, no doubt, said what needed to be said so he would be viewed favourably.

It seems, we find, more and more, that the people we think we know, we don't really know. In many cases.

IMO.
M.

Do you know Chris?

I am not sure how one can find they don't know someone that gets them to sign a quitclaim deed on their house. That has multiple phones, cameras, mailboxes, credit cards, etc. Mayb I am too involved in my family's life. But Chris seemed to have an awful lot of available time on his hands.

If JMM had checked out his references to all his alleged skills and services, would they have glossed over Chris so much? Did his father's position give him lots of free passes? I don't really see anything endearing or likeable about this man. Other than the fact he had a beautiful family that he didn't even respect.

I am growing more skeptical with each new report. The job review (esp the job changes notes on page 4) seem fake to me. How does a christian ministry accuse the family of the murdered victims as being on a fishing expedition? Unless they have something to hide, they should want full disclosure - either to clear their star employee or to bring some solace and peace to the bereeved. How sad they stoop to criticizing Sherri's family. Joyce was there within hours of the "discovery" of the crime scene. When did Chris notify Sheri's own family?

The 3 year request for info might be due to something discovered in the 1st round. Perhaps more affairs? I mean how great could he be at security? The death threats he allegedly sent from his own work comp. The stack of letters to JM from prisoners. The ridiculous notes that he reported as threats. Either JM didn't need the level of security she so expected or the staff she held in trust to protect her simply incompetent? IMO

How could he possibly do such heinous things to his nearest and dearest?

[Clara Harris]

From OP link, page 55 mission statement.
JMM called.....to visit prisoners

http://www.fox2now.com/media/acrobat...8/48532422.pdf


I guess Chris can continue "to express Dave and Joy's heart" as given as given in multiple job reviews as a goal for the next year. Another was "to pray for continued insight and sensitivity for protect Dave and Joyce and family and ministry."e

Odd how Dave and Joyce and family and ministry don't seem to want to continue to find insight and sensitivity for Sherri, her boys and her family. The ministry can ask anything of the flock. But if the flock requests anything from them, it is a "fishing expedition" I don't get how that is christian.

Why does Chris list his dad as emergency contact some pages and Sherri on others?

[Musterion]

Do you know Chris?

I am not sure how one can find they don't know someone that gets them to sign a quitclaim deed on their house. That has multiple phones, cameras, mailboxes, credit cards, etc. Mayb I am too involved in my family's life. But Chris seemed to have an awful lot of available time on his hands.

If JMM had checked out his references to all his alleged skills and services, would they have glossed over Chris so much? Did his father's position give him lots of free passes? I don't really see anything endearing or likeable about this man. Other than the fact he had a beautiful family that he didn't even respect.

I am growing more skeptical with each new report. The job review (esp the job changes notes on page 4) seem fake to me. How does a christian ministry accuse the family of the murdered victims as being on a fishing expedition? Unless they have something to hide, they should want full disclosure - either to clear their star employee or to bring some solace and peace to the bereeved. How sad they stoop to criticizing Sherri's family. Joyce was there within hours of the "discovery" of the crime scene. When did Chris notify Sheri's own family?

The 3 year request for info might be due to something discovered in the 1st round. Perhaps more affairs? I mean how great could he be at security? The death threats he allegedly sent from his own work comp. The stack of letters to JM from prisoners. The ridiculous notes that he reported as threats. Either JM didn't need the level of security she so expected or the staff she held in trust to protect her simply incompetent? IMO

How could he possibly do such heinous things to his nearest and dearest?

Why do you ask, Clara Harris, if I know Chris? I don't understand? Interesting nic you have there! BTW.

I was thinking, with the 3 year request, maybe they were trying to do a follow up on how previous threats were handled. Were they investigated as the threats to JM and Chris and his family should have been? Or were all threats just documented and not investigated. If the other threats, for the previous years, were investigated thoroughly, and the Coleman threats were not, I could see where liability might be on JMM.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/st-louis-crime-beat/files/2009/08/090813-press-release.pdf

"If Chris Coleman committed this crime, any suggestion by these attorneys that Joyce Meyer
Ministry or anyone associated with Joyce Meyer Ministry knew or could have possibly known
that Christopher Coleman was contemplating the murder of his wife and children is false.

The continued use of this legal discovery procedure to harass this Ministry and to perpetuate this
fishing expedition is unfair and unwarranted.

Joyce Meyer Ministries had no knowledge and no indication that Chris Coleman posed a danger
to the lives of Sherry Coleman or her children.

No reasonable person would suggest that any employer should be responsible for the criminal
acts of its employees committed against his or her family outside of work just because that
person is an employee."

Harass?!? Thoughts anyone?

IMO.
M.

[Ice Cycle]

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/st-louis-crime-beat/files/2009/08/090813-press-release.pdf

"If Chris Coleman committed this crime, any suggestion by these attorneys that Joyce Meyer
Ministry or anyone associated with Joyce Meyer Ministry knew or could have possibly known
that Christopher Coleman was contemplating the murder of his wife and children is false.

The continued use of this legal discovery procedure to harass this Ministry and to perpetuate this
fishing expedition is unfair and unwarranted.

Joyce Meyer Ministries had no knowledge and no indication that Chris Coleman posed a danger
to the lives of Sherry Coleman or her children.

No reasonable person would suggest that any employer should be responsible for the criminal
acts of its employees committed against his or her family outside of work just because that
person is an employee."

Harass?!? Thoughts anyone?

IMO.
M.

Yeah I have a though, why would JMM jump to the conclusion that LE wanted those documents to imply they had knowledge versus looking for information regarding C Coleman's activities. That seems fishy to me. As far as the death penilty goes my only reply to that is, Might seek it??

[Musterion]

Yeah I have a though, why would JMM jump to the conclusion that LE wanted those documents to imply they had knowledge versus looking for information regarding C Coleman's activities. That seems fishy to me. As far as the death penilty goes my only reply to that is, Might seek it??

Good point, Ice.

Most employers don't have someone making death threats to their employee for working for that employer. That is the distinction, IMO, of this case vs. a case where a family is killed with no connection to the employer. The criminal act outside of the workplace was directly connected to the workplace. JMM can't push that fact aside.

The statement from JMM suggests that they had no way of knowing that CC was a threat to his family. However, it is yet to be revealed if JMM made any effort to investigate these threats. If they did, it would seem that JMM could have uncovered what LE did about Chris mailing the threats to himself, emailing himself, etc., It would seem that the deaths could have been prevented.

I think that is where this is headed in culpability of JMM.

IMO.
M.

[Ice Cycle]

Good point, Ice.

Most employers don't have someone making death threats to their employee for working for that employer. That is the distinction, IMO, of this case vs. a case where a family is killed with no connection to the employer. The criminal act outside of the workplace was directly connected to the workplace. JMM can't push that fact aside.

The statement from JMM suggests that they had no way of knowing that CC was a threat to his family. However, it is yet to be revealed if JMM made any effort to investigate these threats. If they did, it would seem that JMM could have uncovered what LE did about Chris mailing the threats to himself, emailing himself, etc., It would seem that the deaths could have been prevented.

I think that is where this is headed in culpability of JMM.

IMO.
M.

Maybe but they can always say they left that up to CC since he was head of security. I think they want as less of their employment conditions and their finances out as possible to avoid public scrutiny and loosing members. Of course they have made it worse by just not offering all the requested information. Though what I don't understand is if LE has proof that his personal documents and the threat letters both have the same misspelled word, I would think that would be enough, at least regarding the threats.

[Musterion]

Maybe but they can always say they left that up to CC since he was head of security. I think they want as less of their employment conditions and their finances out as possible to avoid public scrutiny and loosing members. Of course they have made it worse by just not offering all the requested information. Though what I don't understand is if LE has proof that his personal documents and the threat letters both have the same misspelled word, I would think that would be enough, at least regarding the threats.

Ice do you mean it is enough that they would not have to probe more into JMM's documents?

I think that, maybe, they are wanting to pursue whether the threats from the past were handled the same way the Coleman threats were.

I agree that JMM doesn't want to lose members and does not, for some reason, want to have any more finances disclosed to the public.

I, also, agree that they have made things worse for themselves by not showing more compassion regarding Sheri and the boys' deaths. Sheri was an active part of the ministry. She went on mission trips, took her own time and money to work for that ministry, left her children for that week or so to donate her time and efforts to help JMM's cause.

I am astounded at JMM. With no loss to them, they could give the whole amount of money to build the memorial for Sheri and her boys.

I have lost any respect I might have had for JM.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

"While jurors likely would choose death if they find Chris Coleman guilty, it's unclear whether Illinois would carry out the sentence. In 2000 Gov. George Ryan placed a moratorium on capital punishment cases while reforms were made to protect the innocent. Two governors and almost a decade later, the issue remains in limbo. Now the guilty are being protected.

If Illinois is going to have a death penalty law, state leaders need to be willing to use it when a person's crimes fits that punishment. Otherwise they need to abolish the law."

http://www.bnd.com/editorial/story/886534.html

IMO.
M.

[Ice Cycle]

"While jurors likely would choose death if they find Chris Coleman guilty, it's unclear whether Illinois would carry out the sentence. In 2000 Gov. George Ryan placed a moratorium on capital punishment cases while reforms were made to protect the innocent. Two governors and almost a decade later, the issue remains in limbo. Now the guilty are being protected.

If Illinois is going to have a death penalty law, state leaders need to be willing to use it when a person's crimes fits that punishment. Otherwise they need to abolish the law."

http://www.bnd.com/editorial/story/886534.html

IMO.
M.

Well as I have said before, I in the past have not been too much on the DP but this is one that if he is proved to have done this it would definitely get my vote.
I guess I believe that if in doubt of which would be the right punishment it would be best to go with life but their are some cases that would stand out as called for and I believe this is one of them.

[KittyMom]

Chris seems to have really impressed JMM considering the increase in pay he received during his time employed there. I'm wondering if some of the death threats that JMM received might have come from Chris. He could've sent them in and then been the "hero" for the ministry by implementing security measures that ensured JM stayed safe.

Interesting that JMM doesn't want to disclose records.

[Musterion]

Well as I have said before, I in the past have not been too much on the DP but this is one that if he is proved to have done this it would definitely get my vote.
I guess I believe that if in doubt of which would be the right punishment it would be best to go with life but their are some cases that would stand out as called for and I believe this is one of them.

I believe so, too, Ice.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

Chris seems to have really impressed JMM considering the increase in pay he received during his time employed there. I'm wondering if some of the death threats that JMM received might have come from Chris. He could've sent them in and then been the "hero" for the ministry by implementing security measures that ensured JM stayed safe.

Interesting that JMM doesn't want to disclose records.

Hi KittyMom,

Good point. And, maybe that is why the prosecution wants the three years worth of death threats against the ministry provided to them. Maybe they will trace some back to Chris.

IMO.
M.

[Amy]

Good point, Ice.

Most employers don't have someone making death threats to their employee for working for that employer. That is the distinction, IMO, of this case vs. a case where a family is killed with no connection to the employer. The criminal act outside of the workplace was directly connected to the workplace. JMM can't push that fact aside.

The statement from JMM suggests that they had no way of knowing that CC was a threat to his family. However, it is yet to be revealed if JMM made any effort to investigate these threats. If they did, it would seem that JMM could have uncovered what LE did about Chris mailing the threats to himself, emailing himself, etc., It would seem that the deaths could have been prevented.

I think that is where this is headed in culpability of JMM.

IMO.
M.

But, who would be in charge of investigating these threats? Wouldn't that have been Chris Coleman, as head of security? He would have directed any investigation, I would think. Probably doint it all himself, so no one else might stumble on evidence that would make them think something was fishy.

[HALE 2d GNAW]

But, who would be in charge of investigating these threats? Wouldn't that have been Chris Coleman, as head of security? He would have directed any investigation, I would think. Probably doint it all himself, so no one else might stumble on evidence that would make them think something was fishy.



IF what you say is true, wouldn't Chris, as head of security, be responsible for reporting death threats of his employer to proper authorities? Wouldn't JM and staff be concerned about her personal safety? How would one get the threats to cease without going through the proper legal channels? did he only wait to report to LE when threats got to his house? did he only share death threats with his girlfriend in FL but not JMM?

Who signed off on all of CC's employee evaluations? It seems he had oversight in regards what and how he performed his duties.

CC's duty would be to report the threats to proper authorities so that the suspected offenders could be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Since JMM hasn't been accused of any wrong doing, why would they claim they are exempt from having any knowledge or duty to know how 3 years of threats were handled?

It seems the final threats and crime scene messages were left by a deeply troubled soul. The language and direct verbal attacks express anger and resentment of JMM's core "values" . .They most likely manifested over time and can be seen through actions IMO . these actions can possibly be discovered by examining historical records of JMM.

The lives of Sherri and her boys deserve at least 3 years worth of paperwork discovery I would hope.

[Musterion]

But, who would be in charge of investigating these threats? Wouldn't that have been Chris Coleman, as head of security? He would have directed any investigation, I would think. Probably doint it all himself, so no one else might stumble on evidence that would make them think something was fishy.

I do think, as head of security, he would be in charge of investigating the threats. But, he was out of town quite a bit. So, that makes me wonder if there wasn't someone else, who was always in the office in the security department, that didn't do some investigating as well. Maybe not.

IMO.
M.

[darcie]

Hi there everyone. Been out of pocket (just busy), but wanted to pop in and post this. Maybe tonight I can play catch up!

Stay safe....and happy!


Another new judge for Coleman case

St. Clair County Circuit Judge Milton Wharton will preside over the Chris Coleman triple murder case.

John Baricevic, the chief judge of the 20th Judicial Circuit, stepped aside from the case today because he isn’t certified to handle death penalty cases.

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/st-louis-crime-beat/2009/08/19/another-new-judge-for-coleman-case/

[darcie]

Wharton assigned to be the judge in the Coleman murder case
http://www.bnd.com/372/story/888747.html

just another link....

[Musterion]

Hi there everyone. Been out of pocket (just busy), but wanted to pop in and post this. Maybe tonight I can play catch up!

Stay safe....and happy!


Another new judge for Coleman case

St. Clair County Circuit Judge Milton Wharton will preside over the Chris Coleman triple murder case.

John Baricevic, the chief judge of the 20th Judicial Circuit, stepped aside from the case today because he isn’t certified to handle death penalty cases.

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/st-louis-crime-beat/2009/08/19/another-new-judge-for-coleman-case/

Well, hello, Miss Darcie! You've been missed!

Thank you for the links!

IMO.
M.

[darcie]

Coleman attorney became involved in case within hours of murders

http://www.bnd.com/news/crime/story/898340.html

WATERLOO -- The attorney defending Christopher Coleman said in a hearing on Wednesday that he became involved in the case within hours of the murders of Coleman's wife and sons.

"I want to make clear that we have been involved within hours of the occurrence, not the charges, the occurrence," said William Margulis, who, along with his father Art Margulis, is representing Coleman.


----Chris apparently knew he was going to be needing a good attorney.
I almost wish they would drop the death penalty. All that money....it kinda makes me ill.

Next court appearance isn't till November 13th, and the lawyers aint talking....it's gonna be a long dry spell.:angry:

[darcie]

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/laworder/story/B6F2AC161EA0EC0F8625761F000150D7?OpenDocument

Coleman appears in court for routine hearing

At Wednesday's hearing, Coleman, a former Marine, appeared to have lost weight and had grown out his blond hair, previously trimmed to a military-style crew cut.

No one has been put to death in Illinois since former Gov. George Ryan declared a freeze on executions in 2000. However, prosecutors can still seek the death penalty.

If Coleman can prove he has no money, he will get access to the Illinois Capital Litigation Fund to help pay for his defense. The fund recently was overhauled after a Post-Dispatch investigation revealed widespread abuse. Coleman's case isn't expected to go to trial until next spring or summer. His next court appearance is scheduled for November.

Coleman's lawyers said they are still considering filing a motion asking that the trial be moved away from Monroe County because of widespread media coverage.

[Musterion]

Coleman attorney became involved in case within hours of murders

http://www.bnd.com/news/crime/story/898340.html

WATERLOO -- The attorney defending Christopher Coleman said in a hearing on Wednesday that he became involved in the case within hours of the murders of Coleman's wife and sons.

"I want to make clear that we have been involved within hours of the occurrence, not the charges, the occurrence," said William Margulis, who, along with his father Art Margulis, is representing Coleman.


----Chris apparently knew he was going to be needing a good attorney.
I almost wish they would drop the death penalty. All that money....it kinda makes me ill.

Next court appearance isn't till November 13th, and the lawyers aint talking....it's gonna be a long dry spell.:angry:

Hi darcie!

Thank you for this link! I hope all is well with you!

I don't think that the Death Penalty will ever be dropped. I don't think that Chris Coleman and Attorney/s would want it dropped. Because he would not be in general population, he would be in his own little cell, 23 hours a day. It would, IMO, be preferable. And, the DP will probably never be enforced. So, he would, forever be 'protected'.

As for having an attorney so soon. I don't fault anyone for that in this day and age. Most victims of crime (not that Chris is this!) are in shock and can't think rationally, however, family and friends can and, more than likely, know that, in the magnitude and horror of a case like this, legal counsel is not only needed but a right of any American citizen.

Yes, this will be a long and drawn out process. But, we'll be watching, won't we!!!

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

http://www.bnd.com/breaking_news/story/899437.html

"A subpoena filed on Thursday requested records, logs, notes, memorandums related to the financial donations, bereavement funds and any other funds collected on behalf of the Coleman family at the funeral service and burial of the mother and her sons from the Pechacek-McClure Funeral Home in Chester."

Good for them.

IMO.
M.

[darcie]

Hi there M!!! I'll have to say that Sherri's families lawyers are on this case like stink on sh*t ( as my dad used to say):laugh:. And I am with you. Good for them!!

I totally respect their tactics. They aren't (they, meaning the family) publically trashing anyone, pointing fingers and flapping their lips. They are using the system as it is meant to be used.

I have always been one that isn't much into the suing and trivial lawsuits for every little thing, but I will say I am sure that they are leaving no stone unturned! And more power to them! This man had NO reason that I can think of to off his entire family.

I was in Fenton, MO a couple of weekends ago. I met up with a sister and we went to a fair. I am not real familiar with the Fenton area, but lo and behold i looked up and there was Gold's gym.....i was like ohmygosh....that is the place! And she was like what? I said, you know that Coleman guy, charged with murdering his entire family....my jaw flopped open, (and is still hanging by the way), we she responded what Coleman guy? She lives in St. Louis and has never even heard about the case. To her benefit she works nights, so never watches much news...but sheeeesh! lol. Her response was that she isn't as anal as I am about the news. :angry:

Edited to add that we went BY the Joyce Myers Ministries compound...but was running late...I wanted to drive through it and chieck it out, but not such luck!

[bkwits]

Hi there M!!! I'll have to say that Sherri's families lawyers are on this case like stink on sh*t ( as my dad used to say):laugh:. And I am with you. Good for them!!

I totally respect their tactics. They aren't (they, meaning the family) publically trashing anyone, pointing fingers and flapping their lips. They are using the system as it is meant to be used.

I have always been one that isn't much into the suing and trivial lawsuits for every little thing, but I will say I am sure that they are leaving no stone unturned! And more power to them! This man had NO reason that I can think of to off his entire family.

I was in Fenton, MO a couple of weekends ago. I met up with a sister and we went to a fair. I am not real familiar with the Fenton area, but lo and behold i looked up and there was Gold's gym.....i was like ohmygosh....that is the place! And she was like what? I said, you know that Coleman guy, charged with murdering his entire family....my jaw flopped open, (and is still hanging by the way), we she responded what Coleman guy? She lives in St. Louis and has never even heard about the case. To her benefit she works nights, so never watches much news...but sheeeesh! lol. Her response was that she isn't as anal as I am about the news. :angry:

Edited to add that we went BY the Joyce Myers Ministries compound...but was running late...I wanted to drive through it and chieck it out, but not such luck!

Just to keep it straight, he was at the Gold's gym in Concord Village (St. Louis) which is a few miles east of Fenton. My sister lives 1/2 mile from the Concord Village Gold's Gym.

[darcie]

ohhhhhhh.....maybe I didn't go by the place then!!!! I would assume I went by the Fenton one....

Thanks for that bkwits!

[Ice Cycle]

Coleman attorney became involved in case within hours of murders

http://www.bnd.com/news/crime/story/898340.html

WATERLOO -- The attorney defending Christopher Coleman said in a hearing on Wednesday that he became involved in the case within hours of the murders of Coleman's wife and sons.

"I want to make clear that we have been involved within hours of the occurrence, not the charges, the occurrence," said William Margulis, who, along with his father Art Margulis, is representing Coleman.


----Chris apparently knew he was going to be needing a good attorney.
I almost wish they would drop the death penalty. All that money....it kinda makes me ill.

Next court appearance isn't till November 13th, and the lawyers aint talking....it's gonna be a long dry spell.:angry:

Hi,
Do you know if the trail starts then or is that just to schedule a trail date?

[darcie]

Hi there Icecycle!

Of the top of my head, I want to say they are expecting the trial to begin in the spring. I might be wrong about that--but that is what I recall. I know they are going through the judges right now because of it being a death penalty case, and also the current Lawyers for Coleman aren't death penatly qualified by the state of Ill. The lawyers have filed the paperwork to quailfy them, and I think the last judge they assigned to the case is too death penalty qualified. So if they will be able to stay on track with the expected trial date remains to be seen.

It is going to be an interesting one! That is for sure.

[darcie]

Coleman claims he is indigent

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/laworder/story/1290D292076C5EF986257627000C9815?OpenDocument


Coleman, 32, lists his total debts and liabilities at $243,000, according to an affidavit filed Thursday in Monroe County Circuit Court in Waterloo.

In it, Coleman cites a $240,000 mortgage on his home in Columbia, Ill. — where his family was found slain May 5 — while it is now worth just $195,000.

If Judge Milton Wharton is satisfied with the claim after a hearing today, Coleman could tap the Illinois Capital Litigation Fund to pay the costs of his legal defense

[darcie]

I have NO clue as to how the legal system works. I do know that Art Marguilis doesn't come cheap. High priced lawyer. BUT....if Coleman claims he has no money, he evidently had enough money to retain the Marguili's in the beginning...so does that mean the state has to pay for THEIR presence on the case. Or does he now get a public defender.

Can a person actually retain a high dollar lawyer, then claim they can't pay them, and the state automatically pays them? I think that is how it worked for the Scott Peterson trial.

If that is the case, then I will remember that if I ever need, (or my family) ever need a lawyer, I'll hire the best, then claim I'm broke. :laugh:

[Amy]

I have NO clue as to how the legal system works. I do know that Art Marguilis doesn't come cheap. High priced lawyer. BUT....if Coleman claims he has no money, he evidently had enough money to retain the Marguili's in the beginning...so does that mean the state has to pay for THEIR presence on the case. Or does he now get a public defender.

Can a person actually retain a high dollar lawyer, then claim they can't pay them, and the state automatically pays them? I think that is how it worked for the Scott Peterson trial.

If that is the case, then I will remember that if I ever need, (or my family) ever need a lawyer, I'll hire the best, then claim I'm broke. :laugh:

I know the Petersons paid the initial $1M for Geragos, and that at some point, MG was claiming the money had been depleted and that SP needed state money to continue. I don't recall what ever came of that. But, @ that point, doesn't the lawyer have to agree to accept public defense rates? I can't see where the state would agree to pay the same high price rates of the high profile lawyers, else that would get out, and EVERYONE would go that route.

By that time, and by the time of the second Mendelez Bro trial, the high profile attorneys were getting their "rewards" by national tv exposure, etc, that I think they were agreeable to the reduced rate of pay. I don't know where to look it up, but I think Leslie whomever (or was it whomever Leslie) for the one Mendelez Bro represented him the second time for public defender rates.

[darcie]

Judge declares Coleman indigent; appoints Belleville attorneys to handle triple murder case

WATERLOO -- A judge on Friday found Christopher Coleman indigent, then appointed two new death penalty-certified defense lawyers to handle Coleman's charges of killing his wife and two sons.

Circuit Judge Milton Wharton, who is certified under Illinois Supreme Court regulations to hear cases where the death penalty can be invoked, appointed Belleville attorneys John O'Gara and Jim Stern to represent the 32-year-old Coleman.

Art and Bill Margulis, of St. Louis, will continue to help represent Coleman on the first-degree murder charges, but they will not be paid out of the Capital Litigation Trust Fund, funded by the state of Illinois.

"We received money from Coleman's father and we expect that will continue to happen from time to time," Art Margulis told the judge.

http://www.bnd.com/news/crime/story/910493.html

I am not sure if and when Margulis is death penaly certified in the State of Illinois if the other two attornies will be dropped? Or if they too stay on the case, they get paid by the Litigiation trust fund, and Margulis will continue to get paid from Ron Coleman?????


That doesn't seem very fair...lol Or maybe I am confused. This Tuesday seems like a Monday so maybe it is just my brain. :bored:

[Ice Cycle]

Judge declares Coleman indigent; appoints Belleville attorneys to handle triple murder case

WATERLOO -- A judge on Friday found Christopher Coleman indigent, then appointed two new death penalty-certified defense lawyers to handle Coleman's charges of killing his wife and two sons.

Circuit Judge Milton Wharton, who is certified under Illinois Supreme Court regulations to hear cases where the death penalty can be invoked, appointed Belleville attorneys John O'Gara and Jim Stern to represent the 32-year-old Coleman.

Art and Bill Margulis, of St. Louis, will continue to help represent Coleman on the first-degree murder charges, but they will not be paid out of the Capital Litigation Trust Fund, funded by the state of Illinois.

"We received money from Coleman's father and we expect that will continue to happen from time to time," Art Margulis told the judge.

http://www.bnd.com/news/crime/story/910493.html

I am not sure if and when Margulis is death penaly certified in the State of Illinois if the other two attornies will be dropped? Or if they too stay on the case, they get paid by the Litigiation trust fund, and Margulis will continue to get paid from Ron Coleman?????


That doesn't seem very fair...lol Or maybe I am confused. This Tuesday seems like a Monday so maybe it is just my brain. :bored:

Darcie thanks for the updates as I do check on this when I can. No it does not seem right, if they can afford to pay for him a Attorney then why should the state? But that statement that they received money from them from time to time almost sounds like they are doing it pro bono. So basically he has 4 Attorney's and doesn't have to pay for any of them.....

[darcie]

Hi there Ice Cycle! I am glad to be able to provide links when I find them. Hopefully, I will be able to (kinda) keep up with this case. It's close to home for me, and the crime is so horrible.

As I have stated before, I am pretty much a Chris Coleman is GUILTY follower though...lol. Maybe the defense attornies will change my mind!

This case is sure being touched by the religions aspect. With Chris being a former JMM employee, and now, his new defense attorney, head strong against the death penalty, and should be interesting to say the least.

I am anxious to see what role the Marguils' will play.


Coleman lawyer: 'I try to see Jesus Christ in the face of everyone I defend'

http://www.bnd.com/news/crime/story/921340.html
"I try to see Jesus Christ in the face of everyone I defend," O'Gara said. "Does that mean I love all my clients or have loved all my clients? Absolutely not. I'm a person like everybody else. There are clients who have pushed every button and make me angry, then I have to draw inspiration from the people who love them."

O'Gara, 48, has a new client, Christopher Coleman, former bodyguard for television evangelist Joyce Meyer, who faces the death penalty if he's convicted of the strangulations of his wife and two young sons.

[Ice Cycle]

Hi there Ice Cycle! I am glad to be able to provide links when I find them. Hopefully, I will be able to (kinda) keep up with this case. It's close to home for me, and the crime is so horrible.

As I have stated before, I am pretty much a Chris Coleman is GUILTY follower though...lol. Maybe the defense attornies will change my mind!

This case is sure being touched by the religions aspect. With Chris being a former JMM employee, and now, his new defense attorney, head strong against the death penalty, and should be interesting to say the least.

I am anxious to see what role the Marguils' will play.


Coleman lawyer: 'I try to see Jesus Christ in the face of everyone I defend'

http://www.bnd.com/news/crime/story/921340.html
"I try to see Jesus Christ in the face of everyone I defend," O'Gara said. "Does that mean I love all my clients or have loved all my clients? Absolutely not. I'm a person like everybody else. There are clients who have pushed every button and make me angry, then I have to draw inspiration from the people who love them."

O'Gara, 48, has a new client, Christopher Coleman, former bodyguard for television evangelist Joyce Meyer, who faces the death penalty if he's convicted of the strangulations of his wife and two young sons.

That is a understatement, is they find him guilty (and from what I have read they will) then I don't see any way the defense has around a DP verdict. I just hope the whole town turns out for his trial so he knows people have not forgot.

[Musterion]

Hi darcie and Ice, and all!

Darcie, thank you for the links!

This case is of such a horrific magnitude. When I see Sheri and the boys' faces I still feel a huge shock. I can only imagine how their families and friends are suffering.

I found this article which mentions Sheri and the boys' and the Pavilion that is being planned.

It is going to be called the Coleman Pavilion. I know that was their last name, but I kinda wish it was called the Sheri, Gavin and Garrett Pavilion, instead. JMO.

"We'll address everything from the planned Coleman Pavilion (honoring murder victims Sheri Coleman and her sons Gavin and Garett) to the need for a community center down the road," Ellis said. "This is a good way to get it going. We're really excited about the possibilities."

http://www.bnd.com/yourlife/story/928356.html

IMO.
M.

[Ice Cycle]

Hi darcie and Ice, and all!

Darcie, thank you for the links!

This case is of such a horrific magnitude. When I see Sheri and the boys' faces I still feel a huge shock. I can only imagine how their families and friends are suffering.

I found this article which mentions Sheri and the boys' and the Pavilion that is being planned.

It is going to be called the Coleman Pavilion. I know that was their last name, but I kinda wish it was called the Sheri, Gavin and Garrett Pavilion, instead. JMO.

"We'll address everything from the planned Coleman Pavilion (honoring murder victims Sheri Coleman and her sons Gavin and Garett) to the need for a community center down the road," Ellis said. "This is a good way to get it going. We're really excited about the possibilities."

http://www.bnd.com/yourlife/story/928356.html

IMO.
M.


Oh I definitely think that needs to be named another name. S&G or Sheri and Sons, anything but Coleman, after all that is his name. I can't imagine her parents not objecting to that.

[sunstar]

Hi darcie and Ice, and all!

Darcie, thank you for the links!

This case is of such a horrific magnitude. When I see Sheri and the boys' faces I still feel a huge shock. I can only imagine how their families and friends are suffering.

I found this article which mentions Sheri and the boys' and the Pavilion that is being planned.

It is going to be called the Coleman Pavilion. I know that was their last name, but I kinda wish it was called the Sheri, Gavin and Garrett Pavilion, instead. JMO.

"We'll address everything from the planned Coleman Pavilion (honoring murder victims Sheri Coleman and her sons Gavin and Garett) to the need for a community center down the road," Ellis said. "This is a good way to get it going. We're really excited about the possibilities."

http://www.bnd.com/yourlife/story/928356.html

IMO.
M.
Hi! I'm still checking in from time to time here and saw this. I so disagree with it being called the Coleman Pavilion! That may have been Sheri, Gavin & Garett's last name, but it is also the last name of the man who is allegedly responsible for their deaths. And if nothing else, he has admitted to having an affair. Putting his name on this is wrong, imo. Please call it something else! :sneaky: MOO

[aproudmom]

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/09111898D0570B14862576130001D1E1?OpenDocument

IMO.
M.

doesn't come as a surprise

[darcie]

Columbia investigators get national recognition for work on Mamino, Coleman cases
http://www.bnd.com/homepage/story/943880.html

The investigators are getting national recognition for their roles in investigating one case in which a former teacher's aide is accused of placing her newborn daughter in a toilet and another in which a former security guard is accused of strangling his wife and two small sons.

Heine and Barlow received honorable mention Monday in the country's Top Police Officer of the Year awards sponsored by Parade Magazine and the International Association of Chiefs of Police
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Morning everyone!

Just thought I would post this. Always is nice to know see a couple of the investigators are being recognized for their work on the Coleman case and others.

Kudos to them!

[Kip]

Hi! I'm still checking in from time to time here and saw this. I so disagree with it being called the Coleman Pavilion! That may have been Sheri, Gavin & Garett's last name, but it is also the last name of the man who is allegedly responsible for their deaths. And if nothing else, he has admitted to having an affair. Putting his name on this is wrong, imo. Please call it something else! :sneaky: MOO

I agree. When I hear "Coleman", I think of CC and his family.

The Sheri, Gavin, and Garrett Pavilion is too long and awkward. If I were in Sheri's position and could come back and speak, I'd say name it for my boys who never had a chance to grow up. Make it the Gavin and Garrett Pavilion.

Or call it something like the Precious Family Pavilion and have a plaque saying "in memory of...