Something is wrong in America!!

[Veritas]

We need to wake up and start speaking out.

LINK (http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=7898811&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/)


:patriot:

[Lady_Jean_La]

Good luck! :scared:

[MrsBeesley]

I don't think there's anything wrong in America. I do however think there is something seriously wrong with Mr. Beck.

[Citygirl]

We need to wake up and start speaking out.

LINK (http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=7898811&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/)


:patriot:


When someone puts the word LINK in a post ya gotta think they are tryin to hide something..

[Veritas]

For those afraid of the word "link".

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=7898811&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/

[MrsBeesley]

When someone puts the word LINK in a post ya gotta think they are tryin to hide something..

Good observation. If they post out and out it's a Fox link no one will bothering reading it. :laugh:

[Citygirl]

Good observation. If they post out and out it's a Fox link no one will bothering reading it. :laugh:..


There ya go then..and now someone identified it as being Glen Beck..more reason not to click on it..

[desmom]

That man gives me a headache! jmo

[MsBondJamesBond]

Easy to figure out what the site is by hovering your mouse over the word "Link" and looking at the bottom of your screen. It shows the actual link. :rolleyes:


I happen to know that. :rolleyes:

Still, when I see a link renamed or whatever the technical term may be, it immediately makes me suspicious of it and then I do hover.

Just for giggles, I thought I'd go to the Fox News link. It won't open for me anyway.

[Veritas]

"First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the communists and I did not speak out because I was not a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me and by then there was no one left to speak out for me.

~Pastor Martin Niemöller, from testimony he gave to Congress back in 1968

Silence never serves anyone. JMO

[Citygirl]

I happen to know that. :rolleyes:

Still, when I see a link renamed or whatever the technical term may be, it immediately makes me suspicious of it and then I do hover.

Just for giggles, I thought I'd go to the Fox News link. It won't open for me anyway.


The OP could have easily said..check this out from Glen Beck..
like the links are identified on other forums..

[margaritaville]

We need to wake up and start speaking out.

LINK (http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=7898811&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/)


:patriot:


Put America first

Patriotic retirement: There are about 40 million people over 50 in the work force … pay them $1 million apiece severance with stipulations. They leave their jobs. Forty million job openings — unemployment fixed. They buy new American cars. Forty million cars ordered — auto industry fixed. They either buy a house or pay off their mortgage — housing crisis fixed

[Pashie]

Funny thread!

People really take Glen Beck seriously?

Or is he what's wrong with America?! :laugh:

[MrsBeesley]

Silence never serves anyone. JMO

Running your mouth like a raving maniac isn't very helpful, either. Unless your livelihood relies on it as is the case of Mr. Beck. :thumbdown:

[Veritas]

Running your mouth like a raving maniac isn't very helpful, either. Unless your livelihood relies on it as is the case of Mr. Beck. :thumbdown:

You call speaking out signs of a "raving maniac". I call it "Free Speech--a right granted to each of us under the Constitution".

You don't want to hear what he has to say--great, that is your right. Why does one have to be labeled a derogatory name when stating their opinion when it doesn't coincide with what your opinion is?

He raises some good points.

Let's hope that you or your loved ones don't get dementia when you are older. Obama's health care advisors think that they shouldn't receive care.

When this "raving maniac's" words come to be reality, I'll be interested to hear from you.

JMHO

[MiamiNice1]

Isn't it strange how some people think "accountability" should just be thrown out the window when it comes to this administration?

imo

[MrsBeesley]

You call speaking out signs of a "raving maniac". I call it "Free Speech--a right granted to each of us under the Constitution".

You don't want to hear what he has to say--great, that is your right. Why does one have to be labeled a derogatory name when stating their opinion when it doesn't coincide with what your opinion is?

He raises some good points.

Let's hope that you or your loved ones don't get dementia when you are older. Obama's health care advisors think that they shouldn't receive care.

When this "raving maniac's" words come to be reality, I'll be interested to hear from you.

JMHO

Some of his words may come to reality. Time will tell. But his words come from the mouth of a sick man, true or not. My own opinion - he has this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histrionic_personality_disorder

Histrionic personality disorder (HPD) is defined by the American Psychiatric Association as a personality disorder characterized by a pattern of excessive emotionality and attention-seeking, including an excessive need for approval

Not to mention, I think most everything he say and does are just attempts to make himself rich.

[Veritas]

Some of his words may come to reality. Time will tell. But his words come from the mouth of a sick man, true or not. My own opinion - he has this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histrionic_personality_disorder

Histrionic personality disorder (HPD) is defined by the American Psychiatric Association as a personality disorder characterized by a pattern of excessive emotionality and attention-seeking, including an excessive need for approval

Not to mention, I think most everything he say and does are just attempts to make himself rich.

Are you a psychiatrist?

[Citygirl]

I want a health plan and I want it now!
Wadda ya want..
A health plan..
when do ya want it..
now!

[MrsBeesley]

Are you a psychiatrist?

Why do you ask? Do you need one? :read:

[Veritas]

I want a health plan and I want it now!
Wadda ya want..
A health plan..
when do ya want it..
now!

Just
don't
get
D-E-M-E-N-T-I-A!


:scared:


Obama's advisor to his healthcare plans says this:

"Services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed.
An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia."
- Dr. Ezekiel Emmanuel

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

We need to wake up and start speaking out.

LINK (http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=7898811&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/)


:patriot:

"You Are Terrifying Us’



Voters send a message to Washington, and get an ugly response.
Quote:

We have entered uncharted territory in the fight over national health care. There’s a new tone in the debate, and it’s ugly. At the moment the Democrats are looking like something they haven’t looked like in years, and that is: desperate.

http://sbk.online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204908604574334623330098540.html

[Citygirl]

Just
don't
get
D-E-M-E-N-T-I-A!


:scared:


Obama's advisor to his healthcare plans says this:


If we wait for a health plan that already has the kinks worked out..it will be the year 2225 and MANY of us will already be dead by then, from something a few dollars that they don't have, could have provided the cure for..
We have to start somewhere and we have been without soooo long..we need to start now..then start tweaking it.
..our Constitution was done this way..The Declaration of Independence.. you see what I'm sayin I'm sure..
Look at the first airplane..or the first automobile..or the first surgery..
perfection comes after the initial invention..

[Carol25]

I believe that anyone who wants to make an informed opinion will listen to both sides. If you just want confirmation of your own views, you only read or listen to those that confirm your own right or wrong beliefs.

I listen to both sides and make my decisions to what I hear. Those who refused to listen to the link are demonstrating an arrogance of their own biased views.

What are you afraid of hearing? The truth? Or diaglogue different than yours? Make an informed decision. Listen to both sides.

[Veritas]

I understand what you say. Obama has 31/2 years to perfect this. The rush is not necessary. If you are going to do it, let's do it right and with the input of BOTH parties. It is called compromise.

I know you know what I am talking about.

:wink:

[cherry]

Funny thread!

People really take Glen Beck seriously?

Or is he what's wrong with America?! :laugh:

I do. Do ya still love me.

[ABC]

If we wait for a health plan that already has the kinks worked out..it will be the year 2225 and MANY of us will already be dead by then, from something a few dollars that they don't have, could have provided the cure for..
We have to start somewhere and we have been without soooo long..we need to start now..then start tweaking it.
..our Constitution was done this way..The Declaration of Independence.. you see what I'm sayin I'm sure..
Look at the first airplane..or the first automobile..or the first surgery..
perfection comes after the initial invention..
I agree about not waiting for all the kinks to be worked out. Hillary tried to get a workable Health Plan when Big Bill was President. Here we are ten plus years later and still no Health Plan. The States do a great job of Health Care to poor and needy children and adults. I would like to see the Federal Government expand on what is already available.

[Carol25]

I understand what you say. Obama has 31/2 years to perfect this. The rush is not necessary. If you are going to do it, let's do it right and with the input of BOTH parties. It is called compromise.

I know you know what I am talking about.

:wink:
Exactly. That is what the 'rush' was all about. It's not a good plan and he didn't want the people to have an effect of Congress during the summer recess.

I believe, if we are going to do this, let's take the time and do it right with all in Congress have a say. And especially after having the 'little people' speak up.

This has to be bipartisan. And no rush. Make it simpler, less costly and get this economy going so we can afford it.

I can see this encouraging people to return to the Republican Party just out of frustration. Is this what the Dems want? Lest they be warned.

[blueberri]

I want a health plan and I want it now!
Wadda ya want..
A health plan..
when do ya want it..
now!Well, don't hold your breath!

[blueberri]

Running your mouth like a raving maniac isn't very helpful, either. Unless your livelihood relies on it as is the case of Mr. Beck. :thumbdown:Glen Beck may sometimes rant and rave, but he has his homework done and knows what he is talking about. He's a very smart man, can always back up what he says. I love him!

[Lyndawitha"Y]

I really hate to ask such a silly question..as I hear Right Wing Objectionists at town Hall meeting screaming..they want clear answers..and why doesnt Pres, Obama stipulate all the rules...HELLO..He cant..because all the rules, regulations and stipulations of any law cant be stipulated to..as there has been no DECISION made on how the plan would work...Am I wrong??..How can people complain about a plan when there is NO PLAN that has been decided on??..I am confused..why so many are angry about a plan that isnt even decided upon..It is obvious..Obstructionist are afoot!!..

LMS:sneaky:

[blueberri]

I really hate to ask such a silly question..as I hear Right Wing Objectionists at town Hall meeting screaming..they want clear answers..and why doesnt Pres, Obama stipulate all the rules...HELLO..He cant..because all the rules, regulations and stipulations of any law cant be stipulated to..as there has been no DECISION made on how the plan would work...Am I wrong??..How can people complain about a plan when there is NO PLAN that has been decided on??..I am confused..why so many are angry about a plan that isnt even decided upon..It is obvious..Obstructionist are afoot!!..

LMS:sneaky:Obama is trying to sell a pig in a poke and, everyday, more people are seeing this and not buying it. Maybe he should get his ducks in a row, make some decisions and present a clear plan that all Americans can understand before he proceeds. As a truly great President once said…. “You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.”
Abraham Lincoln, (attributed)
16th president of US (1809 - 1865)

[cherry]

Obama seems to be very sincere in his efforts to pose a plan for the benefit of many people. Some of the ideas seem too idealistic, and we know how far idealism goes don't we.

[Barbara2]

we decided to go to the moon, then we figured out how to make it happen, the same will happen with health care, first we need to decide to make it happen then make it happen

Good comparison. I doubt seriously that they threw some junk out and said, "Let's see if this works". I would bet they had all the data needed to make sure it was going to work before they sent them up in space.

[MiamiNice1]

Obama seems to be very sincere in his efforts to pose a plan for the benefit of many people. Some of the ideas seem too idealistic, and we know how far idealism goes don't we.

IMO, it is nothing more to him than creating a legacy for himself.

imo

[blueberri]

Good comparison. I doubt seriously that they threw some junk out and said, "Let's see if this works". I would bet they had all the data needed to make sure it was going to work before they sent them up in space.I agree :thumbup:

[Brentwood]

we decided to go to the moon, then we figured out how to make it happen, the same will happen with health care, first we need to decide to make it happen then make it happen

I couldn't agree more with your post. We need to reform health care to save jobs, also. The high cost of health care has sent our jobs to other nations. I realize many people are afraid of change. We need health care reform for many reasons.

My advise to the naysayers is to change the channel on their tv. Listening to the hate-mongers is not reality.

[Barbara2]

I couldn't agree more with your post. We need to reform health care to save jobs, also. The high cost of health care has sent our jobs to other nations. I realize many people are afraid of change. We need health care reform for many reasons.

My advise to the naysayers is to change the channel on their tv. Listening to the hate-mongers is not reality.

I would change that to "advice" and the only ones I see quoting the so called "hate-mongers" are the Democrats. I watch ABC or CBS. I have never watched any of the names posted on here (by Democrats) that are supposed to be the boogie men. I get my online news from MSNBC.

[desmom]

I couldn't agree more with your post. We need to reform health care to save jobs, also. The high cost of health care has sent our jobs to other nations. I realize many people are afraid of change. We need health care reform for many reasons.

My advise to the naysayers is to change the channel on their tv. Listening to the hate-mongers is not reality.

and may I add...

Do not believe everything you read in your email and on the internet. jmo

[redundancy]

How dare he link himself to Thomas Paine's Common Sense. He even copied the cover.
I have common sense right here on my table, hard back edition. The REAL COMMON SENSE, about AMERICA.
The REAL AMERCIA, written by the REAL
Thomas Paine! (fgs)

Wow GB, you are so unoriginal. And if TP were alive I'm sure he'd have a LOT to say to you for copying his cover and attempting to align yourself with HIM, and his magnificent skills as a writer. This is a hack job, from the front jacket cover to the use of common sense in the title. I'm sorry if you follow GB or are a "fan" of his. Real Sorry because this guy is as I would say
A Zero
He has no talent. NO writing skills, no journalistic skills, he is just a tv personality. That's it folks. That's it. :shrug:

thats my take on this dude.
Bug

In other (and far fewer) words, you're not a fan.

Next time Nielsen comes calling I'd suggest that you indicate as much.

[Brentwood]

and may I add...

Do not believe everything you read in your email and on the internet. jmo

Well said desmom. At politifacts, there are so many emails and internet stuff, etc. that get the "liar liar pants on fire" rating.

[Veritas]

Bumping!:thumbsup:

[Veritas]

Re: your siggy line. MO - he is still nursing the grievance.


Very obviously, might I add. JMO :glare:

[redundancy]

Yes, some in this govt are what I would call stone cold crazy. :angry:Evidently spending other peoples money can be addictive. I think they're hooked.

[Carol25]

Yes, something is wrong in America. The political parties are tearing us apart. They put out disinformation, misinformation and run with it because those at home are too lazy to think for themselves.

Listen to all talk show hosts. Which ones can come up with problems and discuss their reason with facts, actual quotes and statistics? Read all the 'news' stories and try to get to the facts. But I am talking about all, not just left or right leaning newspapers or talk show hosts.

Why do some become wedded to a party and let them think for you?

Are we all that stupid?

[crocdog1]

We need to wake up and start speaking out.

LINK (http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=7898811&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/)


:patriot:

I certainly agree with you.

Something sure is wrong in America when the speaker in a town hall meeting is shouted down by angry protesters.

This is reminiscent of Germany in the twenties and thirties when Hitler had his henchmen go to the peaceful political meeting of those who opposed him. His people shouted down those who were in peaceful assemblies. They used physical violence if shouting didn't work.

I'm not an advocate of dissent. There are ways to show your passionate protest in ways other than breaking up peaceful meetings by shouting the same old tired slogans--Obama is not a natural born American citizen. He is a Socialist, a communist and a Nazi. He is also a Racist.

This, of course, is a bald face falsehood. All you have to do is to look at the makeup of the crowds at these meetings to see who is disrupting these meetings.

Like the Party of No, they are a sea if white. This is true of the crowds at the John McCain-Sara Palin rallies, the tea bag crowds, and now the crowd at the town hall meetings.

Just an opinion from an Independent who sees through the false veneer of the faith based social values of the Party of No.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

You call speaking out signs of a "raving maniac". I call it "Free Speech--a right granted to each of us under the Constitution".

You don't want to hear what he has to say--great, that is your right. Why does one have to be labeled a derogatory name when stating their opinion when it doesn't coincide with what your opinion is?

He raises some good points.

Let's hope that you or your loved ones don't get dementia when you are older. Obama's health care advisors think that they shouldn't receive care.

When this "raving maniac's" words come to be reality, I'll be interested to hear from you.

JMHO

My Bold..I would really like to a clear link were Obama said anything even close to that..TYIA..and I dont want to see anything from a RW Spinner..TY

LMS

Geesh..where do you all get these things from..unless its from a fear mongering agenda driven lobbying spokesperson..

[True2Blues]

I certainly agree with you.

Something sure is wrong in America when the speaker in a town hall meeting is shouted down by angry protesters.

This is reminiscent of Germany in the twenties and thirties when Hitler had his henchmen go to the peaceful political meeting of those who opposed him. His people shouted down those who were in peaceful assemblies. They used physical violence if shouting didn't work.

I'm not an advocate of dissent. There are ways to show your passionate protest in ways other than breaking up peaceful meetings by shouting the same old tired slogans--Obama is not a natural born American citizen. He is a Socialist, a communist and a Nazi. He is also a Racist.

This, of course, is a bald face falsehood. All you have to do is to look at the makeup of the crowds at these meetings to see who is disrupting these meetings.

Like the Party of No, they are a sea if white. This is true of the crowds at the John McCain-Sara Palin rallies, the tea bag crowds, and now the crowd at the town hall meetings.

Just an opinion from an Independent who sees through the false veneer of the faith based social values of the Party of No.

Wow.

So every white American isn't entitled to an opinion if it disagrees with the President, especially if other white persons agree with them? That sounds like racism.

Just the opinion of an Independent who still believes in Free Speech.

[Barbara2]

My Bold..I would really like to a clear link were Obama said anything even close to that..TYIA..and I dont want to see anything from a RW Spinner..TY

LMS

Geesh..where do you all get these things from..unless its from a fear mongering agenda driven lobbying spokesperson..

The poster did not say that Obama said that. It was said by one of his advisers:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07242009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/deadly_doctors_180941.htm

Emanuel, however, believes that "communitarianism" should guide decisions on who gets care. He says medical care should be reserved for the non-disabled, not given to those "who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens . . . An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia" (Hastings Center Report, Nov.-Dec. '96).

[trainer6]

Yes, something is wrong in America. The political parties are tearing us apart. They put out disinformation, misinformation and run with it because those at home are too lazy to think for themselves.

Listen to all talk show hosts. Which ones can come up with problems and discuss their reason with facts, actual quotes and statistics? Read all the 'news' stories and try to get to the facts. But I am talking about all, not just left or right leaning newspapers or talk show hosts.

Why do some become wedded to a party and let them think for you?

Are we all that stupid?

It does make you think. I love the posts on here criticizing the protesters as not thinking for themselves and being fed information. Check out their posts. They are just a string of talking points devoid of one original thought.

[trainer6]

Evidently spending other peoples money can be addictive. I think they're hooked.

I think you're right. They are like some irresponsible person who just got their first credit card.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Wow.

So every white American isn't entitled to an opinion if it disagrees with the President, especially if other white persons agree with them? That sounds like racism.

Just the opinion of an Independent who still believes in Free Speech.


Hey TB..My only issue is that most whoever (black.white.yellow..wahtever) asks questions really should await an answer..is that not what discussion and meetings are all about..yelling and disrupting accomplishes one thing..and that isnothing but a spectical....why dont people who are maybe fearful of changes..just ask the question..and wait to hear an answer???..Thats my only beef where freedom of speech disenfranchises others to speak or be heard..now that does bother me..no matter what color of your skin nor cultural background...

LMS

[True2Blues]

The poster did not say that Obama said that. It was said by one of his advisers:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07242009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/deadly_doctors_180941.htm

Thanks for the link. So, the disabled are less deserving of health care that is supposed to be for everyone in the Nation? There have been others in history that felt that way, certainly.

[vonna]

I don't think there's anything wrong in America. I do however think there is something seriously wrong with Mr. Beck.

You are so right!!! Is the "something" wrong with America that we have a black president? I think that is right for America.

[blueberri]

You are so right!!! Is the "something" wrong with America that we have a black president? I think that is right for America.Gee Wiz, I thought the President's mother and all her family were white?

[Lyndawitha"Y]

The poster did not say that Obama said that. It was said by one of his advisers:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07242009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/deadly_doctors_180941.htm

I read the link you provided..and TY..but it seems the writer of the article took liciense to interpret what Emmanuel meant by that statement..Maybe he meant something as simple as not puttig a this a transplant into someone who is about to die..or has irreverable disease processes..I have to say..some really do jump on every nuance..and interpret it to the extreme..to make an agenda..There is no way this ad,inistration would allow anything like that to happen...

I hate to say this..but sometimes you cant cure everybody..but strive to give them the best possible life..thats all most people want..of course some would wish Science could reverse, change or cure..but that isnt even possible..

I dont buy Govt Univeral HC would even think of deserting "Disabled"..never...however..one thing we do know..Insurance Companies will never insure any disabled person unless one is willing to pay huge payments for premiums..plus all the denied costs of treatment...

LMS

[Brentwood]

You are so right!!! Is the "something" wrong with America that we have a black president? I think that is right for America.

I think it is great for America that we have a great President now during such difficult times. The bigotry bothers me though...like the sig line above... Eeny, meeny, miny, moe (catch a _____ by the toe) & other things ending in "O"

[True2Blues]

Hey TB..My only issue is that most whoever (black.white.yellow..wahtever) asks questions really should await an answer..is that not what discussion and meetings are all about..yelling and disrupting accomplishes one thing..and that isnothing but a spectical....why dont people who are maybe fearful of changes..just ask the question..and wait to hear an answer???..Thats my only beef where freedom of speech disenfranchises others to speak or be heard..now that does bother me..no matter what color of your skin nor cultural background...

LMS


There aren't any answers given. Politicians don't want to tell the mere citizen what they are planning to do. We're the last to see what they're voting on. This health care bill won't affect them, they will always have one of their own. In this case it's a huge proposal written in language that scholars need a dictionary to get through.

This country is here because of dissent. It was built on the idea that everyone has a right to participate in government and have a say. It may seem silly, but we feel we have a right to speak out about where our tax money goes. Those of us who pay taxes, and many don't, though they are meant to benefit.

Some of us also would like to retain our rights to privacy and to be the person who makes the decision on what health care we will receive. Not everyone wants a huge Government presence in every aspect of their life.

Career politicians are in it for the money, the power and the fame. I don't trust any of them. They all lie, every party has back scratching agenda, and there isn't one of them who isn't in it for their own benefit. Sad, but true. Pressure from the constituents is the only say we get in Government, so we make it known. Threatening them with losing their seat is the only leverage we have.

I think those who have to foot the bill should be the ones to vote on it, myself.

[True2Blues]

I think it is great for America that we have a great President now during such difficult times. The bigotry bothers me though...like the sig line above... Eeny, meeny, miny, moe (catch a _____ by the toe) & other things ending in "O"

That's my signature line you're talking about you are wrong and wayyyyyy out of line. If you relate that child rhyme with bigotry then that's YOUR problem.

But it's nice to know that you are so fair in your approach to other people that you Judge them without knowing them. At least we know you don't have any bigoted ideas.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

There aren't any answers given. Politicians don't want to tell the mere citizen what they are planning to do. We're the last to see what they're voting on. This health care bill won't affect them, they will always have one of their own. In this case it's a huge proposal written in language that scholars need a dictionary to get through.

This country is here because of dissent. It was built on the idea that everyone has a right to participate in government and have a say. It may seem silly, but we feel we have a right to speak out about where our tax money goes. Those of us who pay taxes, and many don't, though they are meant to benefit.

Some of us also would like to retain our rights to privacy and to be the person who makes the decision on what health care we will receive. Not everyone wants a huge Government presence in every aspect of their life.

Career politicians are in it for the money, the power and the fame. I don't trust any of them. They all lie, every party has back scratching agenda, and there isn't one of them who isn't in it for their own benefit. Sad, but true. Pressure from the constituents is the only say we get in Government, so we make it known. Threatening them with losing their seat is the only leverage we have.

I think those who have to foot the bill should be the ones to vote on it, myself.

I guess I am referring to the Town Hall meetings that are being disrupted...is there not also some sort of online government site to view these things??..I dont know ..Im not American..but maybe some should contact their local representative..

You know..I understand your distain for politicians in general..and many do follow the money.not right..but then again..they were voted into office....I feel for ya all..when you feel you arent getting answers..or being vamboozelled..Yelling wont get results..but blogging your rep..just might..LOL

As I said before..I only hope things get ironed out..for the best interest of everybody...all crossed for ya all!!

LMS

[redundancy]

Gee Wiz, I thought the President's mother and all her family were white?

He doesn't seem to identify with that side of the family, does he? Odd, had he been raised and supported by his father it seems likely that he would not have risen above the status of a Kenyan Governmental functionary. Meanwhile as a partially Black Man in America he becomes President of the United States. Go figure.

[trainer6]

There aren't any answers given. Politicians don't want to tell the mere citizen what they are planning to do. We're the last to see what they're voting on. This health care bill won't affect them, they will always have one of their own. In this case it's a huge proposal written in language that scholars need a dictionary to get through.

This country is here because of dissent. It was built on the idea that everyone has a right to participate in government and have a say. It may seem silly, but we feel we have a right to speak out about where our tax money goes. Those of us who pay taxes, and many don't, though they are meant to benefit.

Some of us also would like to retain our rights to privacy and to be the person who makes the decision on what health care we will receive. Not everyone wants a huge Government presence in every aspect of their life.

Career politicians are in it for the money, the power and the fame. I don't trust any of them. They all lie, every party has back scratching agenda, and there isn't one of them who isn't in it for their own benefit. Sad, but true. Pressure from the constituents is the only say we get in Government, so we make it known. Threatening them with losing their seat is the only leverage we have.

I think those who have to foot the bill should be the ones to vote on it, myself.

Good post.

I heard someone say that it makes sense that someone who doesn't pay any taxes would vote for someone who promises every program available.

[Barbara2]

I read the link you provided..and TY..but it seems the writer of the article took liciense to interpret what Emmanuel meant by that statement..Maybe he meant something as simple as not puttig a this a transplant into someone who is about to die..or has irreverable disease processes..I have to say..some really do jump on every nuance..and interpret it to the extreme..to make an agenda..There is no way this ad,inistration would allow anything like that to happen...

I hate to say this..but sometimes you cant cure everybody..but strive to give them the best possible life..thats all most people want..of course some would wish Science could reverse, change or cure..but that isnt even possible..

I dont buy Govt Univeral HC would even think of deserting "Disabled"..never...however..one thing we do know..Insurance Companies will never insure any disabled person unless one is willing to pay huge payments for premiums..plus all the denied costs of treatment...

LMS

Here are two things that I have a problem with. One is that we are told that the rationed care is already with us because the insurance companies ration care. So that isn't going to get any better with this universal plan. That is not an improvement. The second thing is that the drug companies are helping to push this bill.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32340524/ns/politics/

What does that tell you? Do you think these companies are doing this out of the goodness of their hearts or is it to make sure that their pockets stay lined? So far I've seen nothing about this plan that fills me with confidence that things are going to get better for anyone. IMO

[crazyrn]

I don't think there's anything wrong in America. I do however think there is something seriously wrong with Mr. Beck.
i couldn't have said it better:thumbup:

[True2Blues]

I guess I am referring to the Town Hall meetings that are being disrupted...is there not also some sort of online government site to view these things??..I dont know ..Im not American..but maybe some should contact their local representative..

You know..I understand your distain for politicians in general..and many do follow the money.not right..but then again..they were voted into office....I feel for ya all..when you feel you arent getting answers..or being vamboozelled..Yelling wont get results..but blogging your rep..just might..LOL

As I said before..I only hope things get ironed out..for the best interest of everybody...all crossed for ya all!!

LMS

Unfortunately, we have to choose from what we're offered for candidates. If I waited for one who I thought was perfect, I'd never vote and whoever was elected would still be voting on things that effect me. Believe me, I contact mine.

Yelling doesn't accomplish much I agree, but it certainly indicates that there are people who are very angry. If they were getting listened to instead of ignored, they wouldn't have to yell.

Thanks for your well wishes, we need them!

Personally, I think it would help a heck of a lot, if everyone slowed down and took their time finding out what is needed and wanted and carefully constructed a clear, concise, completely understandable plan. One that won't break the middle class taxpayers, won't be forced down the throats of people who don't want it, and one that allows every citizen to make the decision about their health care.

Trying to hurry this and force it down the throats of people who don't want it, isn't what America is supposed to be. It makes people wonder what this country is becoming.

[desmom]

Here are two things that I have a problem with. One is that we are told that the rationed care is already with us because the insurance companies ration care. So that isn't going to get any better with this universal plan. That is not an improvement. The second thing is that the drug companies are helping to push this bill.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32340524/ns/politics/

What does that tell you? Do you think these companies are doing this out of the goodness of their hearts or is it to make sure that their pockets stay lined? So far I've seen nothing about this plan that fills me with confidence that things are going to get better for anyone. IMO

$150 - 200 million from drug makers would be like $5 from me. :lol:

IMO, it is obvious why the drug companies would want a national health care program. There are approximately 46 million without health insurance. That is 46 million prospective new customers for the drug companies' products.

jmo

[Barbara2]

$150 - 200 million from drug makers would be like $5 from me. :lol:

IMO, it is obvious why the drug companies would want a national health care program. There are approximately 46 million without health insurance. That is 46 million prospective new customers for the drug companies' products.

jmo

I'm not sure that you read the entire article. Granted they are hoping for more consumers of drugs but they are also hoping to protect their own behinds. They want to make sure that buying drugs from Canada is blocked, for one. There is quite a bit in there about the relationship between the drug companies and the politicians. Interesting article.

[Brentwood]

That's my signature line you're talking about you are wrong and wayyyyyy out of line. If you relate that child rhyme with bigotry then that's YOUR problem.

But it's nice to know that you are so fair in your approach to other people that you Judge them without knowing them. At least we know you don't have any bigoted ideas.

Google it. It originated as...

Eeny, meeny, miny, moe
Catch a "n" by his toe
If he hollers make him pay,
Fifty dollars every day

I remember in grade school, that a teacher corrected a child saying he should say an animal instead of saying "n" in that rhyme. There was a mother in the room and she responded "well, that is one way to get around it" wink wink.

[Barbara2]

Google it. It originated as...

Eeny, meeny, miny, moe
Catch a "n" by his toe
If he hollers make him pay,
Fifty dollars every day

I remember in grade school, that a teacher corrected a child saying he should say an animal instead of saying "n" in that rhyme. There was a mother in the room and she responded "well, that is one way to get around it" wink wink.

You are most definitely wrong. It originated as:

Eeny, meeny, miny, moe,
Catch a tiger by the toe.
If he hollers let him go,
Eeny, meeny, miny, moe.

[vonna]

He doesn't seem to identify with that side of the family, does he? Odd, had he been raised and supported by his father it seems likely that he would not have risen above the status of a Kenyan Governmental functionary. Meanwhile as a partially Black Man in America he becomes President of the United States. Go figure.

Well blow me over with a feather. Imagine that. A man who exceeded his father's station in life. Like JFK perhaps?

[vonna]

I'm not sure that you read the entire article. Granted they are hoping for more consumers of drugs but they are also hoping to protect their own behinds. They want to make sure that buying drugs from Canada is blocked, for one. There is quite a bit in there about the relationship between the drug companies and the politicians. Interesting article.

And the drug companies have Congress bribed.

[desmom]

I'm not sure that you read the entire article. Granted they are hoping for more consumers of drugs but they are also hoping to protect their own behinds. They want to make sure that buying drugs from Canada is blocked, for one. There is quite a bit in there about the relationship between the drug companies and the politicians. Interesting article.

Isn't it already illegal?

[Barbara2]

Isn't it already illegal?

From the article:

The partnership is complicated because many Democrats in both the House and Senate oppose key goals of the drug industry. Liberals, in particular, favor the importation of prescription medicine from Canada and other countries. They also want the government to have authority to negotiate directly with companies for lower drug prices under Medicare.

[True2Blues]

Google it. It originated as...

Eeny, meeny, miny, moe
Catch a "n" by his toe
If he hollers make him pay,
Fifty dollars every day

I remember in grade school, that a teacher corrected a child saying he should say an animal instead of saying "n" in that rhyme. There was a mother in the room and she responded "well, that is one way to get around it" wink wink.


I can't help what your parents taught you. You're welcome to pound the point to death, anyone can interpret their personal agenda into everything they see.

The point is "O" as in things ending in "O", since you missed it.

Your attack on me is rude, unwarranted and Off Topic. If you don't like it ignore it. I certainly intend to ignore you.

[blueberri]

Google it. It originated as...

Eeny, meeny, miny, moe
Catch a "n" by his toe
If he hollers make him pay,
Fifty dollars every day

I remember in grade school, that a teacher corrected a child saying he should say an animal instead of saying "n" in that rhyme. There was a mother in the room and she responded "well, that is one way to get around it" wink wink.I can honestly say that this is the first time I have ever heard your words to the rhyme, it was always catch a tiger by the toe, if he hollars let him go.

[blueberri]

Well blow me over with a feather. Imagine that. A man who exceeded his father's station in life. Like JFK perhaps?Did JKF ignore his mother and all her family? I think that was the point.

[True2Blues]

Does anyone remember a siggy about throwing out bait?

It's attached to the poster attacking my sig line.

[redundancy]

Well blow me over with a feather. Imagine that. A man who exceeded his father's station in life. Like JFK perhaps?

Interesting comment. Doesn't appear to have a thing in the world to do with my post but..........interesting comment.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

I'm not sure that you read the entire article. Granted they are hoping for more consumers of drugs but they are also hoping to protect their own behinds. They want to make sure that buying drugs from Canada is blocked, for one. There is quite a bit in there about the relationship between the drug companies and the politicians. Interesting article.\\


I have to scratch my head, Universal Health Care does cover medications unless you fall under certain Social Services Benefit Programs,,Perscriptions are only covered by extended health Insurances..Medicare..or Welfare Support Services...There is no way the drug companies can really lose here..other than they wont be able to play the gouge game with impunity..LOL..And when patents run out on drugs and they go to generic producers...there really is not much of a difference...Meds are perscribed and filled..payment will come from private parties, Insurance parties or Government..the only diff really is no need to game play..and lobby,,which will save them millions..LOL

Again. Good wishes for a fair and equitable HC System..for ALL!!

LMS

[True2Blues]

Isn't it already illegal?

It depends on the drug. Controlled substances like sleeping pills, tranquilizers and so on are illegal, but many others aren't. The packages are opened at random and you can be asked if you have a prescription for the drug (even though it would be meaningless) but if it isn't something controlled they don't bother.

[Brentwood]

I can't help what your parents taught you. You're welcome to pound the point to death, anyone can interpret their personal agenda into everything they see.

The point is "O" as in things ending in "O", since you missed it.

Your attack on me is rude, unwarranted and Off Topic. If you don't like it ignore it. I certainly intend to ignore you.

You are wrong. The "n____" version was the original among U.S. children in the 1950s. Later it changed. Those of us who are a certain age know this.

I find it offensive. There is always the original version out there that is very offensive.

[redundancy]

Did JKF ignore his mother and all her family? I think that was the point.

Thank you, blue. For a very brief moment I thought I may have been unclear.

[True2Blues]

\\


I have to scratch my head, Universal Health Care does cover medications unless you fall under certain Social Services Benefit Programs,,Perscriptions are only covered by extended health Insurances..Medicare..or Welfare Support Services...There is no way the drug companies can really lose here..other than they wont be able to play the gouge game with impunity..LOL..And when patents run out on drugs and they go to generic producers...there really is not much of a difference...Meds are perscribed and filled..payment will come from private parties, Insurance parties or Government..the only diff really is no need to game play..and lobby,,which will save them millions..LOL

Again. Good wishes for a fair and equitable HC System..for ALL!!

LMS


Actually, not getting to choose between the original drug and the generic is something that is objectionable. Not all generics work the same, but prescription plans give the choice to pay more and get the original if you choose.

I have generics that work better in some cases and that's great, but I want the choice.

Taking the gouge game away from the Drug companies will be a battle royal however. Greedy creatures.

[vonna]

Thank you, blue. For a very brief moment I thought I may have been unclear.

Just how is Obama ignoring his mother and the white side of his family? Are you forgetting that to have black blood makes you black and not half white?

[blueberri]

Thank you, blue. For a very brief moment I thought I may have been unclear.Not a problem, just wanted to keep the train on the right track. Derailments aren't good, people get hurt and it takes a long time to get the mess cleared up.

[Barbara2]

<snipped>

I find it offensive. There is always the original version out there that is very offensive.

If you find it so offensive, why do you keep repeating it? You seem to be the only one attached to this verse. There is only one person showing any bigotry on this thread and that person is you. IMO

And the original version is not offensive. It said "tiger". Google it.

[desmom]

From the article:

The partnership is complicated because many Democrats in both the House and Senate oppose key goals of the drug industry. Liberals, in particular, favor the importation of prescription medicine from Canada and other countries. They also want the government to have authority to negotiate directly with companies for lower drug prices under Medicare.

I wouldn't worry about importing. I would like to see a cap on what a drug company can charge for existing and new meds.

IMO, drug companies hold their product hostage. When you pay a king's ransom, they will sell you a limited supply of their product. In 30 days, you can return to the middle man and pay the king's ransom again for another 30 day supply.

jmo

[True2Blues]

I wouldn't worry about importing. I would like to see a cap on what a drug company can charge for existing and new meds.

IMO, drug companies hold their product hostage. When you pay a king's ransom, they will sell you a limited supply of their product. In 30 days, you can return to the middle man and pay the king's ransom again for another 30 day supply.

jmo

You've summed it up well. :biggrin:

[Barbara2]

I wouldn't worry about importing. I would like to see a cap on what a drug company can charge for existing and new meds.

IMO, drug companies hold their product hostage. When you pay a king's ransom, they will sell you a limited supply of their product. In 30 days, you can return to the middle man and pay the king's ransom again for another 30 day supply.

jmo

And now you are beginning to understand why it is so difficult to reform this whole health care mess. Everybody wants something different.

[redundancy]

If you find it so offensive, why do you keep repeating it? You seem to be the only one attached to this verse. There is only one person showing any bigotry on this thread and that person is you. IMO

And the original version is not offensive. It said "tiger". Google it.

Trying to rain on a Protest Parade? LOL

[Barbara2]

Trying to rain on a Protest Parade? LOL

Hmmmmm. "Rain". Yeah, we'll stick with that term for now. I was thinking something else. :smile:

[redundancy]

Hmmmmm. "Rain". Yeah, we'll stick with that term for now. I was thinking something else. :smile:

Any noncombustible fluid in a pinch?? :biggrin:

[Barbara2]

Any noncombustible fluid in a pinch?? :biggrin:


All I can say is that it would have been a perfect example of alliteration with "protest parade".

[True2Blues]

All I can say is that it would have been a perfect example of alliteration with "protest parade".

It's nice.

[redundancy]

All I can say is that it would have been a perfect example of alliteration with "protest parade".

Now that you mention alliteration, do you remember JFK's presser when he said: "He has a fondness for alliteration and for B's"?

No matter what you think of JFK the man had intelligence, class and incredible wit. Something that many pretend the current President has - they've never seen the real thing, I guess.

[Barbara2]

Now that you mention alliteration, do you remember JFK's presser when he said: "He has a fondness for alliteration and for B's"?

No matter what you think of JFK the man had intelligence, class and incredible wit. Something that many pretend the current President has - they've never seen the real thing, I guess.

Yes, but that was in the day before the team of speech writers and teleprompters. Sometimes a person can learn to rely too much on the crutch and never learn to walk on their own power. IMO

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Actually, not getting to choose between the original drug and the generic is something that is objectionable. Not all generics work the same, but prescription plans give the choice to pay more and get the original if you choose.

I have generics that work better in some cases and that's great, but I want the choice.

Taking the gouge game away from the Drug companies will be a battle royal however. Greedy creatures.

I truly understand understand what you are saying..you do have the choice..and that is originated in your Doctors office..who can stipulate Brand name versus generic..if if there is a surcharge..you already know ahed of time..but as you say the generic sometimes works better or the same....so why pay for Brand Name....??

I have had patients that said..generics just didnt work..and had to pay the difference..however depending on your particular status..old age pensioner, Mothers allowance..etc..your Dr. can put in a special request to the powers that be to pay that diference..LOL..Course thats in Ontario..cant vouch for other Provinces.....

LMS:loveeyes:

[curiousD]

Glen Beck may sometimes rant and rave, but he has his homework done and knows what he is talking about. He's a very smart man, can always back up what he says. I love him!

I cant say i love Glen Beck...and he is veeerrryyy passionate about his beliefs but I do agree with him more than I disagree with him.

[redundancy]

His passion is what I like about him, so many on TV just stand there and read something that another person wrote. You don't have to guess what Glen Beck thinks about something. :smile:

I'm pretty convinced that GB is just quicker than most of the rest of us. Maybe his ADD combines to give him an advantage. To compare him to his current counterparts - Lib and Conservative - would be like comparing a Ferrari to a mini-van, IMO.

[curiousD]

ITA I almost get angry when Obama is compared to JFK. Or MO to Jackie for that matter, there certainly is a world of difference.
IMO

me too...:thumbsup:

[redundancy]

ITA I almost get angry when Obama is compared to JFK. Or MO to Jackie for that matter, there certainly is a world of difference.
IMO

Could be a generational thing - similar to that which makes some consider Lord of the Rings a better film than Citizen Kane.

BO has benefitted a lot from that type of ignorance, IMO.

[Veritas]

You are wrong. The "n____" version was the original among U.S. children in the 1950s. Later it changed. Those of us who are a certain age know this.

I find it offensive. There is always the original version out there that is very offensive.

You are wrong. That was NOT the original version.

One major theory about the origins of the rhyme is that it is descended from Old English or Celtic counting, as can be seen in the East Anglian Shepherd's count, "Ina, mina, tehra, methera" or the Cornish "Eena, mea, mona, mite".[1] However, the first record of the modern rhyme is from American, where, as early as 1815 children in New York are said to have repeated the rhyme:

Hana, man, mona, mike;
Barcelona, bona, strike;
Hare, ware, frown, vanac;
Harrico, warico, we wo, wac.[1]


LINK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eeny,_meeny,_miny,_moe)


Methinks someone is doing the typical Democrat tactic of race baiting. JMHO:thumbdown:

[Barbara2]

You are wrong. That was NOT the original version.




LINK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eeny,_meeny,_miny,_moe)


Methinks someone is doing the typical Democrat tactic of race baiting. JMHO:thumbdown:


Not just race baiting. It's the typical reflection of racist attitudes that get slipped in there while pretending that the attitudes belong to someone else. It's disgusting. This isn't the first incident and I'm sick of it!

[RedSocksFan]

That man gives me a headache! jmo

Oh dear. You might want to get that headache treated now- before the new health care passes or you might be out of luck.

[Mimi428]

and they are not here either, the full implementation will not be quick, it will take a couple years, this is but one step in the process

and believe you me, there was some trial and error along the way in getting to the moon

It will take more than a couple of years. Year One isn't supposed to be until 2013.

I think there is plenty of time between 2009 & 2013 to get every duck in a row - 20 to 30 times over. In the meantime, I guess we can all look forward to the day that our own health insurance becomes so completely expensive that it is out of the reach of even more people. I'm guessing the number of people dying unnecessarily every year due to lack of health care is going go way over the current estimate of 18,000+ per year.

Personally, I think every federally elected person & all their dependents should go without health insurance coverage until they can work out a reasonable, coherent plan. None of them are in the poorhouse to begin with, so it shouldn't hurt all that much for them to be uninsured while they work out a sane, sensible plan for those they claim they are so concerned about.

JMO

[Adalena935]

"You Are Terrifying Us’

Voters send a message to Washington, and get an ugly response.
Quote:

We have entered uncharted territory in the fight over national health care. There’s a new tone in the debate, and it’s ugly. At the moment the Democrats are looking like something they haven’t looked like in years, and that is: desperate.

http://sbk.online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204908604574334623330098540.html

That is so well written and so authentic. Thank you so much for posting the link. A must-read for all in the U.S. in my opinion.

[AnniePie]

Glen Beck may sometimes rant and rave, but he has his homework done and knows what he is talking about. He's a very smart man, can always back up what he says. I love him!

Me too, blue! And it anyone wants to dispute the health care issue, just PM me. I AM Canadian.

I love my country, but I'm not positive that this is the way you want your health care to go. :scared:

[Adalena935]

I really hate to ask such a silly question..as I hear Right Wing Objectionists at town Hall meeting screaming..they want clear answers..and why doesnt Pres, Obama stipulate all the rules...HELLO..He cant..because all the rules, regulations and stipulations of any law cant be stipulated to..as there has been no DECISION made on how the plan would work...Am I wrong??..How can people complain about a plan when there is NO PLAN that has been decided on??..I am confused..why so many are angry about a plan that isnt even decided upon..It is obvious..Obstructionist are afoot!!..

LMS:sneaky:

How can Obama want congress to pass it like he did before the recess when they refused to even read it? 1,000+ pages and some supporters in this thread calling for passage and MORE details to be added even. LOL

I think the Democrats are begging to lose congress in next year's elections.

Whenever I hear the stated enemy the right wing I think some of the protests are from people who didn't hear the democrats at the meetings telling the elected democrats they were democrats.

At any rate not all voters are eitherLeft v. orRight.

[trucrimegal]

Me too, blue! And it anyone wants to dispute the health care issue, just PM me. I AM Canadian.

I love my country, but I'm not positive that this is the way you want your health care to go. :scared:

Hi, I've been lurking for a while...just wanted to ask a question...

So as a Canadian, what we hear in the US about people there having to wait too long in surgical procures and risk dying before they are scheduled is not true -- or is true? Sorry, it's late and I thought you meant that the waiting period is long in Canada.

I'm, just curious because I don't know anyone in Canada, and I've always wondered if we we hearing the correct infornaton here in the States about that.

[Adalena935]

I really hate to ask such a silly question..as I hear Right Wing Objectionists at town Hall meeting screaming..they want clear answers..and why doesnt Pres, Obama stipulate all the rules...HELLO..He cant..because all the rules, regulations and stipulations of any law cant be stipulated to..as there has been no DECISION made on how the plan would work...Am I wrong??..How can people complain about a plan when there is NO PLAN that has been decided on??..I am confused..why so many are angry about a plan that isnt even decided upon..It is obvious..Obstructionist are afoot!!..LMS:sneaky:

HR 3200 is the bill Obama wanted Congress to pass before they went on vacation. I think most people know it has not been passed into law yet.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.txt.pdf

[February]

Everyone in this country deserves health care.
President Obama is facing an uphill battle, but then again he walked into a mess when he was elected.
As a caring person knowing that there are millions of children, elderly and sickly people out there who desperately need to see a doctor, I don't see the problem in passing the bill.
Americans are good people, but at times can be so paranoid and selfish.

[Adalena935]

The poster did not say that Obama said that. It was said by one of his advisers:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07242009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/deadly_doctors_180941.htm

He's appointed a bunch of real doozies hasen't he? That's why his budget director asked congress to turn over to a new Obama appointed
bureaucracy that wouldn't be accountable to the public.

I'm sure where you read at your link where he defends their right to discriminate against age, saying everyone gets old and had their time in youth so it's not really discrimination. newsflash, not everyone gets old and under his plan maybe fewer still. Don't tell me they can lower the number age of old at will. yikes. Sounds like a B movie.

[Adalena935]

Not just race baiting. It's the typical reflection of racist attitudes that get slipped in there while pretending that the attitudes belong to someone else. It's disgusting. This isn't the first incident and I'm sick of it!

My sentiments exactly. Even if the people doing it are looking for attention and to start arguements and derail threads, it's still revolting. It's sooner or later destined to have the same end as the boy who cried wolf.

[Adalena935]

Everyone in this country deserves health care.
President Obama is facing an uphill battle, but then again he walked into a mess when he was elected.
As a caring person knowing that there are millions of children, elderly and sickly people out there who desperately need to see a doctor, I don't see the problem in passing the bill.
Americans are good people, but at times can be so paranoid and selfish.

A true statement was made by saying he took 6 months to chose a dog for his children, but for the people of the U.S. on this important life and death issue not to have equal consideration?

He reveals himself and it's important information for the people of the USA to have.

[JackiBlu]

In reading all the posts on this thread regarding reform of the health care system one little item was not even mentioned. How is our government going to pay for these changes?

Seems they can't even tell the american people what the costs will be; one side quotes one figure while the other quotes a different one.

[ABC]

In reading all the posts on this thread regarding reform of the health care system one little item was not even mentioned. How is our government going to pay for these changes?

Seems they can't even tell the american people what the costs will be; one side quotes one figure while the other quotes a different one.

I don't care what it costs. If they can give all that money to the car folk, bailout banks and subsidize Freddy and Fanny to name a few, they can sure help expand health care programs in the state and make more health care availale to the needy, working poor, homeless, etc.

[ABC]

Everyone in this country deserves health care.
President Obama is facing an uphill battle, but then again he walked into a mess when he was elected.
As a caring person knowing that there are millions of children, elderly and sickly people out there who desperately need to see a doctor, I don't see the problem in passing the bill.
Americans are good people, but at times can be so paranoid and selfish.
Health Care is available to everyone. The states do a great job with providing coverage for poor children, those over 65 have medicare and the the folks in between have free clinics from the City Government and Medicaid. I am all for increasing the coverage but there is enormous resources available to all Americans and illegas too.

[Mimi428]

Health Care is available to everyone. The states do a great job with providing coverage for poor children, those over 65 have medicare and the the folks in between have free clinics from the City Government and Medicaid. I am all for increasing the coverage but there is enormous resources available to all Americans and illegas too.

I am familiar with the care that is available for the working, uninsured in my county because of two people that I know - each of whom has a medical condition requiring maintenance treatment. There is NO 'free care' for working people, when what they need are regular doctor visits to keep their medical conditions properly treated - physicals, lab tests, prescriptions, etc.

One in 4 people in the state of Texas are uninsured. Here is a short article which outlines some of the problems - things are not nearly so rosy as you proclaim. Not even close. Gov Perry has been in office for NINE years, declaring that the state should take care of everything w/o interference at the federal level. Yet, he has done little to nothing to do things on the state level that CAN be done.

http://www.news-journal.com/news/content/region/legislature/stories/2009/08/09/0809texhealth.html

Some of the highlights ...

In his 2007 State of the State address, Perry said he was proposing a health initiative that would "open the door to more affordable insurance options for 2 million working Texans."

More than two years later, the program doesn't exist.

According to Perry, that's because the proposal, which needed federal approval, has been "languishing" in Washington, as he put it in a June letter to U.S. Rep. Joe Barton, R-Ennis.

And Perry told U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius in a July 31 letter that negotiations between Texas and federal officials were under way when the Obama administration took office and that the proposal "is now stalled in Washington."

But officials in the George W. Bush administration had concerns about the Texas proposal, telling state officials in a 2008 letter that they took issue with proposed limits on benefits.

And Texas could have extended Medicaid benefits to low-income parents — as some other states do — without approval from Washington...

That would have cost the state more money than Perry's proposal. Very few low-income parents in Texas qualify for Medicaid unless they are pregnant or have a disability.

State Rep. Garnet Coleman, D-Houston, criticized Perry's proposal as "nothing more than window dressing for the issue of health care coverage by providing inadequate coverage to a small population of Texans."

"This venture was embarked upon because the governor sought a new way in which he could avoid having the state invest in health care costs," Coleman said.

Perry often brags about lawmakers' efforts in 2003 to close a $10 billion budget shortfall with a series of spending cuts. Among those cuts, lawmakers trimmed the program's benefits and required families to re-enroll every six months instead of every 12 months. In the year that followed, more than 150,000 children fell off the program's rolls.

Some lawmakers pushed this year to increase the income cap on eligible families of four from $44,100 to $66,150, which would have added about 80,000 children to the program's rolls. Families between those two income levels would have been able to buy their way into the program.


Perry opposed that change, which never made it to his desk.

"In terms of access to health care in Texas, certainly nothing has improved since 2000, certainly not significantly," Dunkelberg said. "We've had lots of 'two steps forward and two steps back' kinds of activities."

A whole lot more at the link - all of which refutes your Pollyanna claim that everybody can get anything they need already. Nothing could be further from the truth.

JMO

[desmom]

Health Care is available to everyone. The states do a great job with providing coverage for poor children, those over 65 have medicare and the the folks in between have free clinics from the City Government and Medicaid. I am all for increasing the coverage but there is enormous resources available to all Americans and illegas too.

bolding mine

Really? They must be in the metropolitan areas because there is nothing like that around here.

[MrsBeesley]

Are you serious?

FGS, lighten up.


:thumbdown:

You use FGS a lot.

[MrsBeesley]

And we will be the biggest losers in the long run. As the drug companies' profits decline they will invest less and less in research and development of new drugs. In the last 20 years especially, there have been new drugs which save and extend lives. I certainly hate to see that cut back, especially in the oncology field.
IMO

This says differently. http://bioethics.net/journal/j_articles.php?aid=61
"This documented fact sheet provides evidence that all drug research by large firms, net of taxpayers' subsidies, is paid for out of domestic sales in each country, with profits to spare. Prices can be lower without jeopardizing basic research for new drugs. More exposure to global price competition would encourage more innovative research and less of the derivative me-too research that now dominates."

[MrsBeesley]

Thanks for keeping count.

No problemo.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Finally!

Somebody with some sense; you hit the nail right on the head!

Canada and England may have lower drug prices, but WE are the ones doing all the research.

Hummming..Well, that is news to me as a nurse who works in a clinic that does "Trial" Drug studies...guess we dont count??...Sorry to even bother to mention..that "Drug Studies " do go on all over the world..and yep In Canada and UK and elsewhere...US really in truly is not the sole supplier of Research...unless you didnt really mean to imply that..

LMS:laugh:

[MrsBeesley]

Just so we have things straight, is that your job around here?

It's just a hobby. FGS, lighten up. :laugh:

[MrsBeesley]

Okay, so put me down for one FGS and you for two FGSs.

Ha, now it's your hobby, too. See how much fun it is? :tonguewag:

[MsBondJamesBond]

Okay, so put me down for one FGS and you for two FGSs.


Now you're both two for two FGS.

[MrsBeesley]

Now you're both two for two FGS.

Math. It's not just for breakfast anymore. :thumbup:

[trainer6]

I'd post again but I don't want to through the delicate balance off.

:unsure:

Oh, go for it. Sometimes it good to spur competition on. :biggrin:

[baltoman99]

Yep, something is wrong with America and those Americans who use Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Fox News, Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin and Rush Limbaugh as sources.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

You could very well be working for an American company that runs drug trials.

The vast majority of the drug and procedure research is done in the United States.

Nope..I work for myself..but it is a Canadian Company that has contracted me...and Drug Companies have offices and branches outside of US..and it is far cheaper for them to do their research in markets outside of the US..why??? cause of too many hands in the coffers to conduct their trials...

I see it from the accounting point of view...There will always be initial deficeits when trialing something..but that is why "Patents" on the Drug name..Drug Formula remain under the Company's name for 10-15 years..depending on all sorts of "Patent Laws"..their loss of income comes when their patent runs out...and Generic Drug Companies start producing similar drug formulations...but thing about it..they spend millions trialing...then have a 10 year+ window to charge full pop for that drug..and make billions..you do the math!!..

Anyway..Drug Company's just wish to keep their cash cow strangle hold in the only Country that placates them..USA..so they will just have to take less profits..and those CEO's might only make a few million less as bonus's..such a hardship??? I dont think it will effect research..nor profits for shareholders..however..maybe those million dollar boni's may decrease...I for one dont feel bad on that one!!LOL

LMS

[baltoman99]

Glen Beck may sometimes rant and rave, but he has his homework done and knows what he is talking about. He's a very smart man, can always back up what he says. I love him!


Oh really? Has his homework done? Always back up what he says? Perhaps you missed his appearance on the view where he ADMITTED he does NOT research anything before he spews.

Honestly, the man is a certified lunatic who makes things up as he goes along.

[MrsBeesley]

Yep, something is wrong with America and those Americans who use Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Fox News, Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin and Rush Limbaugh as sources.

From what I can tell, it's only the people who have problems understanding those pesky big words that use those people as their source of all knowledge.

[True2Blues]

In reading all the posts on this thread regarding reform of the health care system one little item was not even mentioned. How is our government going to pay for these changes?

Seems they can't even tell the american people what the costs will be; one side quotes one figure while the other quotes a different one.

What they will do is tax the average American who works for a living to death, while stealing their right to make the decisions about their health from them and denying them care as they grow older, thereby hastening their deaths when they are no longer able to do something profitable for the "State" or whatever they choose to call it.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Yep, something is wrong with America and those Americans who use Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Fox News, Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin and Rush Limbaugh as sources.

dont know M.M. however for the others in your list...I for the life of me have never heard any of them speak in a positive manner..they spend their whole time on TV..find fault..and especially Anne Coulter and Rush Limbaugh (Radio)..all of whom I actually find laughable..mainly due to their absurdity..I have never been able to reconcile their spewings..Goodness..hopefully American's in general have more informed, less biased sources...sometimes news isnt always positive..but geesh with this cast of characters..its always doom and gloom...actually Glenn Beck had me for a bit ( small one)..but soon realized just what his agenda was..Sorry I was duped..:blushing:

LMS

[Lyndawitha"Y]

What they will do is tax the average American who works for a living to death, while stealing their right to make the decisions about their health from them and denying them care as they grow older, thereby hastening their deaths when they are no longer able to do something profitable for the "State" or whatever they choose to call it.

Oh True...If that is what you believe..you have swallowed far too much "Koolaide" the opposition is spewing..I, from living in a Country with "Universal Healthcare" can dispell that for a fact..No Government official will take away any rights..and tax will be divided fairly amongst the whole poulation..not just one group..and NO HC System would ever provide HC for profit!!..Heck, that is what is going on right now..Insurance Companies as one example..Its really sad to think you even believe such nonscense...
LMS:sad::crying:

[Veritas]

Oh really? Has his homework done? Always back up what he says? Perhaps you missed his appearance on the view where he ADMITTED he does NOT research anything before he spews.

Honestly, the man is a certified lunatic who makes things up as he goes along.


The View? :lol::lol::lol:

I can't believe people actually cite that show as a rebuttal source.

JMHO

[desmom]

What they will do is tax the average American who works for a living to death, while stealing their right to make the decisions about their health from them and denying them care as they grow older, thereby hastening their deaths when they are no longer able to do something profitable for the "State" or whatever they choose to call it.

Maybe it should be supported by a national sales tax. jmo

[trainer6]

The View? :lol::lol:

I can't believe people actually cite that show as a rebuttal source.

JMHO

What next? Hannah Montana. :biggrin:

[True2Blues]

Oh True...If that is what you believe..you have swallowed far too much "Koolaide" the opposition is spewing..I, from living in a Country with "Universal Healthcare" can dispell that for a fact..No Government official will take away any rights..and tax will be divided fairly amongst the whole poulation..not just one group..and NO HC System would ever provide HC for profit!!..Heck, that is what is going on right now..Insurance Companies as one example..Its really sad to think you even believe such nonscense..
LMS:sad::crying:

Prove me wrong, beyond a shadow of a doubt. You aren't from this country and this plan isn't like yours, so how do you know? Are you a scholar on American politics?

I've lived here all my life, paid taxes and watched how things work here. There's a huge deficit in this country and the money that makes the country run is from taxes. The citizens pay the taxes, the middle class shoulders the brunt of that.

As far as koolaide goes, that's a lovely thing to say. For your information, I don't watch any of the political pundits or read them, I read and research, ask questions and make up my own mind.

I am a citizen of the United states America. At this moment, I have rights, one of which is not to have my freedoms and my choice taken away. My family fought for this freedom of those rights, they've been here since 1647. I plan to keep them.

[True2Blues]

Maybe it should be supported by a national sales tax. jmo

I think we have enough problems without more taxation. I know it's the popular answer to every financial woe, but citizens are dealing with a recession, unemployment and a huge National Debt, I think people are getting stretched to their limits and I'm not alone.

Maybe it should be properly researched and considered, and then the citizens questioned as to whether or not they want it forced on them.

Right now, there is a lot of unrest in this Country, trying to force this down our throats and take away our rights isn't going to help anything.

[MrsBeesley]

The View? :lol:

I can't believe people actually cite that show as a rebuttal source.

JMHO

In other words, you think Beck appeared on a show that was not reputable? Now why would he do such a thing? :scared:

[desmom]

I think we have enough problems without more taxation. I know it's the popular answer to every financial woe, but citizens are dealing with a recession, unemployment and a huge National Debt, I think people are getting stretched to their limits and I'm not alone.

Maybe it should be properly researched and considered, and then the citizens questioned as to whether or not they want it forced on them.

Right now, there is a lot of unrest in this Country, trying to force this down our throats and take away our rights isn't going to help anything.


Just stop and think about it for a minute. How many assistant programs are the taxpayers supporting now with taxes from our paychecks? I know the major ones and if I tried to list them I am sure I would miss some.

There are 3rd and 4th (maybe 5th :shrug: ) generation welfare families in this country. How much money do they pay in taxes? What about illegals?

IF there was a national sales tax in lieu of federal income tax, everyone would pay. Low income, middle income, upper income, the upper upper income, illegals, people on welfare, international tourist... The more you spend, the more you would pay.


jmo

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Prove me wrong, beyond a shadow of a doubt. You aren't from this country and this plan isn't like yours, so how do you know? Are you a scholar on American politics?

I've lived here all my life, paid taxes and watched how things work here. There's a huge deficit in this country and the money that makes the country run is from taxes. The citizens pay the taxes, the middle class shoulders the brunt of that.

As far as koolaide goes, that's a lovely thing to say. For your information, I don't watch any of the political pundits or read them, I read and research, ask questions and make up my own mind.

I am a citizen of the United states America. At this moment, I have rights, one of which is not to have my freedoms and my choice taken away. My family fought for this freedom of those rights, they've been here since 1647. I plan to keep them.

Your fear and anger is rather obvious to me..and I am not the enemy..I have only tried to waylay the fears of change that some have fueled regarding Healthcare reform..Guaurantee's..of what?..Guess you have lost faith in your own system..sad..

I am truly sorry that my comments from afar have offended you..guess you dont want to hear anything positive. ( from eperience ).and want agreement that your Government is sending you to the dogs..?????

I dont believe what you seem to..and in a decade..you can send me the old "I told you so"..or better yet..I can send you that "I told you so" post..

I only wish you all the best..and to maintain your existing HC policies..really isnt an option..Its going broke at it stands now..and millions have no coverage..and many going broke because of health issues..What do you suggest?

LMS

[crocdog1]

Prove me wrong, beyond a shadow of a doubt. You aren't from this country and this plan isn't like yours, so how do you know? Are you a scholar on American politics?

I've lived here all my life, paid taxes and watched how things work here. There's a huge deficit in this country and the money that makes the country run is from taxes. The citizens pay the taxes, the middle class shoulders the brunt of that.

As far as koolaide goes, that's a lovely thing to say. For your information, I don't watch any of the political pundits or read them, I read and research, ask questions and make up my own mind.

I am a citizen of the United states America. At this moment, I have rights, one of which is not to have my freedoms and my choice taken away. My family fought for this freedom of those rights, they've been here since 1647. I plan to keep them.


RE: {SNIP} I am a citizen of the United states America. At this moment, I have rights, one of which is not to have my freedoms and my choice taken away. {SNIP}

I, too, am a citizen of the United States of America. I served my country in the Armed Forces. I pay my taxes, and I, too, have my freedoms and my choices.

My choice for President of the United States was Barack Obama, as was the majority of Americans in the 2008 elections.

I, too, have rights, one of which is not to have peaceful town hall meetings shouted down by angry folks who may not agree with me.

These meetings are reminiscent of the way Hitler stopped those who opposed him before he attained power in 1933.

During the thirties in America we had gvery loud angry people who opposed FDR.

The writer, Sinclair Lewis wrote of these people when he said:

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross."

Fast forward to 2009. Some things never change.

Just my humble opinion

[Lyndawitha"Y]

For those of you who wish to compare US to Canada ( Universal HC System)..here is a link...it may answer some of the many questions I keep reading..and the worry's.

Just trying to be helpful..but you really have to read it..before you can comment..cause forgone conclusions I have read here will be obvious if thats you only resouce..Sorry..I think you know what I mean:confused:...So much MIS-Information out there...about Universal Healthcare options...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_and_American_health_care_systems_compared

LMS

[True2Blues]

RE: {SNIP} I am a citizen of the United states America. At this moment, I have rights, one of which is not to have my freedoms and my choice taken away. {SNIP}

I, too, am a citizen of the United States of America. I served my country in the Armed Forces. I pay my taxes, and I, too, have my freedoms and my choices.

My choice for President of the United States was Barack Obama, as was the majority of Americans in the 2008 elections.

I, too, have rights, one of which is not to have peaceful town hall meetings shouted down by angry folks who may not agree with me.

These meetings are reminiscent of the way Hitler stopped those who opposed him before he attained power in 1933.

During the thirties in America we had gvery loud angry people who opposed FDR.

The writer, Sinclair Lewis wrote of these people when he said:

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross."

Fast forward to 2009. Some things never change.

Just my humble opinion

Are you calling me a fascist because I don't think this health care is well thought out and don't support it? That's interesting.

I think there's a better answer that will still allow choice out there somewhere, and no one has taken the time to look for it.

Would it make you feel better to know that Union reps in St.Louis actually beat up a man who said at a meeting he didn't like the plan? To suppress him and keep his opinion from being expressed. Same tactics, different side.

[baltoman99]

The View? :lol::lol::lol:

I can't believe people actually cite that show as a rebuttal source.

JMHO



You know, I'd actually agree with you except for one small point you may not have gotten from my post:

It wasn't the hosts of the view who made the statement, it was Glenn Beck himself. Perhaps comprehension is needed before responding with the laughing icon. Unless of course you were laughing at your inane response to my factual post.

[Adalena935]

For those of you who wish to compare US to Canada ( Universal HC System)..here is a link...it may answer some of the many questions I keep reading..and the worry's.

Just trying to be helpful..but you really have to read it..before you can comment..cause forgone conclusions I have read here will be obvious if thats you only resouce..Sorry..I think you know what I mean:confused:...So much MIS-Information out there...about Universal Healthcare options...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_and_American_health_care_systems_compared

LMS

Thanks Lynda. I don't think it's a good comparison since Canada's entire pouplation is less than one of our states. Different types of governments also. We have a republic and the majority of people just don't want universal socialized health care.

I think there's misinformation on both sides as I've read here over the years. It's funny the link says the same old same old, that the US is the only industrialized nation on earth that doesn't have socialized medicine....then lists many of them.......

[True2Blues]

Your fear and anger is rather obvious to me..and I am not the enemy..I have only tried to waylay the fears of change that some have fueled regarding Healthcare reform..Guaurantee's..of what?..Guess you have lost faith in your own system..sad..

I am truly sorry that my comments from afar have offended you..guess you dont want to hear anything positive. ( from eperience ).and want agreement that your Government is sending you to the dogs..?????

I dont believe what you seem to..and in a decade..you can send me the old "I told you so"..or better yet..I can send you that "I told you so" post..

I only wish you all the best..and to maintain your existing HC policies..really isnt an option..Its going broke at it stands now..and millions have no coverage..and many going broke because of health issues..What do you suggest?

LMS

Lynda, you have called me a koolaide drinker and assumed I have no mind of my own and yes, that offended me. I don't assume because you're satisfied with your health system that you are a koolaide drinker.

My point is that YOUR system isn't the one that is being considered here. I didn't say there wasn't a need for health care reform, what I have been saying is that this isn't the answer.

This is a different political system and yes, it needs help. No system is perfect and this is no different. The problem here is that the proposal was hurried and shoved forward for political reasons. Any one who truly cared about health care would have taken the time to have it thoroughly investigated and then designed.

There's a huge uproar over this. Since it's meant to benefit everyone in the country, I believe that things should slow down, suggestions taken, concerns addressed and needs and goals decided on. It's some thing that should be done by all parties, not just one.

The two party system has faults. When it comes down to it, once the elections are over, the representatives of all the people are meant to work together to find an answer. Unfortunately, both parties often seem to forget that. They become more concerned about party, then about the Country.

Will any plan please everyone? Never on this Earth! The system we have now certainly doesn't do that, but at least we can choose what will work best for us. We have a voice and our medical records remain private. We choose to be treated or not. Sometimes you have to compromise, give a little, get a little, but being given no choice isn't what America was founded to be.

You don't know me and yet you have made negative judgments on my character, I'm a koolaide drinker with no mind of my own. Fear and anger? The American government was created to give each citizen a voice. We're allowed to disagree, it's part of what we are. I've never assumed negative things about you just because we don't agree and always enjoyed posting with you agree or not. I'm sorry that you felt the need to do that to me.

[Adalena935]

I'm sure glad I still have my own insurance and my choice right now. I have all of this extra computer time because I was in an accident. I've had 2 surgeries so far and PT. I'm over 50 and I keep thinking of Obama saying on TV "maybe she (his fictitious patient) can take a pain pill instead of surgery". Makes me cringe to think about it. I'll keep my own insurance and my doctor as long as I can.
IMO

If congress passes this many companies will goto govt health care because of cost and that will put insurance companies out of business. If that happens there won't be anything to keep. my opinion

I hope you weren't hurt too badly with no lasting effects.

They make me furious trying to do this again. Obama wants the feather in his cap so to speak for the history books. He doesn't give a hoot about us imo. Somebody asked him if he wanted this health care he's trying to push onto us and he said no essentially. used dif words I can't do verbatim now. But isn't he special. I guarantee his dog has better health care than he's trying to foist onto all of us. We're just stupid little people to him. Those people in Dc think of themselves as royalty in my opinion. No offense intended other than voicing my opinion.

[True2Blues]

Thanks Lynda. I don't think it's a good comparison since Canada's entire pouplation is less than one of our states. Different types of governments also. We have a republic and the majority of people just don't want universal socialized health care.

I think there's misinformation on both sides as I've read here over the years. It's funny the link says the same old same old, that the US is the only industrialized nation on earth that doesn't have socialized medicine....then lists many of them.......

It's a shame there isn't a trustworthy news source anymore. Everyone has an agenda, and scandal and being 'First' with a story, even it's reported wrong, are the rule of the day.

It's no wonder people are confused. You have dig through piles dooky to find one fact, uninterpreted by someone with only 'party' interests.

When the majority doesn't want something and the 'Government' continues to try and force it on them, it never bodes well.

[MrsBeesley]

If congress passes this many companies will goto govt health care because of cost and that will put insurance companies out of business. If that happens there won't be anything to keep. my opinion

I hope you weren't hurt too badly with no lasting effects.

They make me furious trying to do this again. Obama wants the feather in his cap so to speak for the history books. He doesn't give a hoot about us imo. Somebody asked him if he wanted this health care he's trying to push onto us and he said no essentially. used dif words I can't do verbatim now. But isn't he special. I guarantee his dog has better health care than he's trying to foist onto all of us. We're just stupid little people to him. Those people in Dc think of themselves as royalty in my opinion. No offense intended other than voicing my opinion.

If I felt this strongly about my president and that he was as evil as you think he is... I do believe I'd move out of the country. I feel sorry for you.

[Adalena935]

Not quite so humble, in my opinion.


And you wonder why people have such ill feelings toward the left?


First of all, there are 207,643,594 eligible voters in the U.S.; Barack Obama got 66,882,230 of those votes.

That's hardly a MAJORITY of voters, much less "Americans," as you state.

And according to Godwin's Law, bringing up Hitler (strawman) indicates your argument is vacuous, you have nothing else to say, and you lose.

That's what a rep said on Fox today. Sorry I didn't catch his name. That the way the dems distracted the topic by pointing to the town hall people rather than talking about the heal care bill shows how weak their arguement is. I would certainly agree with that.

I pray this bill does not pass.

[MrsBeesley]

I have a stent since 2006; I'm a boomer.

You think those ACORN goons are going to let me have another one?


I sure don't.

The bean counters will put a value on my life and decide rather than six me up again they'll just use that money to help some illegal who is in a bar fight.

FHS, can you get any more dramatic? :scared:

[Veritas]

You know, I'd actually agree with you except for one small point you may not have gotten from my post:

It wasn't the hosts of the view who made the statement, it was Glenn Beck himself. Perhaps comprehension is needed before responding with the laughing icon. Unless of course you were laughing at your inane response to my factual post.



Your facts are askew. He never makes that statement. :rolleyes:

Someone asks him if he researches first but he never answers because they are going after him like a pack of hungry wolves. JMHO

LINK (http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/201/25560/)

[Veritas]

Have I become your personal project?



You have a fan club, FGS? May I join? :drool:

[Carol25]

If congress passes this many companies will goto govt health care because of cost and that will put insurance companies out of business. If that happens there won't be anything to keep. my opinion

I hope you weren't hurt too badly with no lasting effects.

They make me furious trying to do this again. Obama wants the feather in his cap so to speak for the history books. He doesn't give a hoot about us imo. Somebody asked him if he wanted this health care he's trying to push onto us and he said no essentially. used dif words I can't do verbatim now. But isn't he special. I guarantee his dog has better health care than he's trying to foist onto all of us. We're just stupid little people to him. Those people in Dc think of themselves as royalty in my opinion. No offense intended other than voicing my opinion.

Another portion of the bill says that all wheel chairs will be bought from the government. Now why is this? Just to see the dealers out of a job? So we lose insurance workers and wheelchair dealers to the unemployment lines.

And the majority as seen in Town Hall meetings don't want the government taking insurance decisions away from them.

I can see insuring the people that have no insurance , placing restrictions of insurances of not allowing people with pre existing conditions insurance. Even making insurances cover all of the expenses of catastrophic illnesses.

But when it is total packages that are need , don't spend it on Americans that do not need that service.

Concentrate on those who have no health care, and pay for it by cutting items out of the federal budget. That means cutting clinics that won't be needed, duplicative services of so many of our gov't programs not even looked at.

If a millionaire has the means to get his own health care, let them get it without the hep of the gov't. I can fund my share of my insurance, so leave me out. So many are in the same group. Those who can pay their premiums, let them do so.

And when the people making this plan,finally say that Congress and unions are NOT exempt, watch for the fine print. I can't say as I trust them, sadly to say.

The government doesn't own me although they try. I want to make decisions about my own affairs.

Don't let the government own America. Keep our freedoms and our Republic alive and well.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

I agree, something is wrong in America, watch this video

"Denied Claims Placed At Health Insurance CEO's Doorstep"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/06/denied-claims-placed-at-h_n_253160.html

Just one sample..but I have to think it isnt uncommon...Man..its no wonder Insurance Industry in general dont want to have guidelines...LOL..Geesh!!

Whats wrong in America is it seems to be more Political Driven..then caring about fellow Americans...US is made up of all walks of life..not just the rich..however..humm.No wont even go there...

Rich??what does that mean...Hum?..Could someone down there please give a definition of that.."Rich: I mean?

LMS

[Adalena935]

That was a nasty, unnecessary post, in my opinion.

Just shows how empty the defense is.

I'm quite sure some of the left-wingers are quite surprised to find that the majority of people in this country don't fall for every single thing Obama does like they do.

Maybe so. Maybe the reps are surprised also to find their constituants thoughts on this. I knew the mud would hit the fan if the democrats tried to pass universal health care. Especially throwing everything out and revamping everything. I told my husband that's what they would do and he didn't think so.

[Adalena935]

Have I become your personal project?

LOL Some people do take it personal. Was a thread I saw yesterday wherein the 3rd post after the OP's someone made the issue about posters rather than the topic.

[flareon]

Maybe so. Maybe the reps are surprised also to find their constituants thoughts on this. I knew the mud would hit the fan if the democrats tried to pass universal health care. Especially throwing everything out and revamping everything. I told my husband that's what they would do and he didn't think so.

That's what I think too. They weren't expecting to see this much disagreement with their policies.

I, for one, don't know why they would even be shocked. They are trying to change something that the majority of people like and when you can't get an honest answer to any concerns it is no wonder people are getting angry.

Couple that with the fact that it is going to cost the citizens more money, they should be prepared for more of this.

[MrsBeesley]

Have I become your personal project?

Hardly. Can you please stick to the topic?

[baltoman99]

Your facts are askew. He never makes that statement. :rolleyes:

Someone asks him if he researches first but he never answers because they are going after him like a pack of hungry wolves. JMHO

LINK (http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/201/25560/)

Sorry, but hiding links doesn't work for me. Of course I'm going to believe the Glenn Beck site over the words I and many others heard come from his mouth on the show. My facts are far from askew. Yours on the other hand, not so much.

It's a shame really that you feel the need to hide the links in hopes that one will just click on them instead of checking first to see where they lead. Are you that ashamed that you have to hide them?

Find a video, when he answered that "I'm a commentator" to the question about checking facts he was saying no, as a commentator he doesn't have to check facts. See, it behooves one to pay attention and not cherry pick.

Glenn Beck lied on Barabara Walters and Whoopi Goldberg and got called on it. You think liars are a-ok? Sorry, I don't. It's why I never supported George W. Bush.

[Mimi428]

Another portion of the bill says that all wheel chairs will be bought from the government. Now why is this? Just to see the dealers out of a job? So we lose insurance workers and wheelchair dealers to the unemployment lines.

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Where the heck does it say that?

[Barbara2]

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Where the heck does it say that?

The only thing that I have found about wheelchairs deals with power wheelchairs and it eliminates something called the first month purchase option. But the bill is 1000+ pages long so I can't say it's not in there somewhere.

[flareon]

Here's my opinion for what it's worth. Honestly, I am not that informed on the subject.


I am very fortunate to have excellent heath insuarnce...at the moment.

I think universal healthcare is a wonderful thing.

Heath insurance has become like legal organized crime. I don't like that insurance carriers tell doctors how to do their jobs.

Too many hard working people can't afford and don't have it. Those that do, can lose it in the blink of an eye and lose everything they worked hard for all of their life.

New Zealand and Canada have it all over the USA in the health care dept.

If you only look at it from one angle, you will never be able to appreciate the problems on all sides of the issue.

The insurance companies are in business to provide a service to a vast number of people and most of them are in it to make a profit. The premiums would go out of reach for 90% of their members if they allowed every test, procedure, and medicine a person would want.

An example would be a annual physical. A doctor can call for all kinds of blood work and other tests. Many of them aren't necessary and are prescribed because of malpractice concerns, habit or more nefarious reasons. If everyone was responsible for the full price of these tests, there would suddenly be more consumer discretion and questioning as to the validity of the tests. As it stands, if an insurance company is paying the bill they just do it. It is the same with medication. Doctors will push the newest medicines, many times without seeing whether the generics will function just as well. If the consumer is responsible for the payment, again they will become a more active consumer and will be more aware of the differences.

When it isn't an emergency, one can take the time to shop around and get the best prices. If someone knows the insurance company is footing the bill, they aren't likely to do any checking.

You say that many people can't afford health insurance or might lose it. Doesn't it seem logical that if someone really thought this item was important to them, they would have taken steps at the beginning to put away money for it and to have a nest egg before they spent money on any other item. The problem seems to be that for many health insurance is only important when they need it or if someone else is paying for it. Health insurance is high but I think what bothers many people is that it always seems to be the last thing people think about.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Obama is trying to sell a pig in a poke and, everyday, more people are seeing this and not buying it. Maybe he should get his ducks in a row, make some decisions and present a clear plan that all Americans can understand before he proceeds. As a truly great President once said…. “You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.”
Abraham Lincoln, (attributed)
16th president of US (1809 - 1865)

Hummmm Why are you debating with me??..You are Canadian..and are fortunate to have the system you have with all its warts..so why do you challenge my efforts to educate those south of us??? Do you not agree their system need changing??..Do you not believe that Corporate Coffers are fueling mis-information???

Pleeze..give your negative opinions all you wish..have at it..but your are not living in their shoes...and it will not be easy to change over..and in case you forget our (Canadian) changes took decdes to get sorted out..so pleeze be careful when blaming them for trying to make things better for th majority..costs will be enormous..however..as we found..It does not cost us our homes..investments and everything we worked our whole lives..just because there is a Health Issue..

BTW..I know you appreciate your system ( flawed as it is..PEI)..but compared to what happens south of us..is NO COMPARISON!!

Thats all I will say to YOU...Obama is not your Pres..IF you have issues with our Prime Minister..or your Premier..fine..kindly direct your negativism to those people...

LMS:sneaky:

[flareon]

The only thing that I have found about wheelchairs deals with power wheelchairs and it eliminates something called the first month purchase option. But the bill is 1000+ pages long so I can't say it's not in there somewhere.

It is probably on the line of the changes that have been taking place on many of these items.

Years ago, medicare would pay for wheel chairs. Then they changed their policy and would only rent them. That always struck me as a little strange because depending on how long a person lived, the wheel chair was paid for many times over.

[Adalena935]

If I felt this strongly about my president and that he was as evil as you think he is... I do believe I'd move out of the country. I feel sorry for you.

bolding mine> That's your strawman word. pfft

I say what I mean and mean what I say to all presidents.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/CONTACT/

[Lady_Jean_La]

Your facts are askew. He never makes that statement. :rolleyes:

Someone asks him if he researches first but he never answers because they are going after him like a pack of hungry wolves. JMHO

LINK (http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/201/25560/)

Typical. Ask a question, then talk over replies you don't want heard. imo

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Why do you feel it is your job to educate those to the "south of you"?Obama is not your president either. If you are so enamored of the United States, you could move here and then you would have a vote and a real stake in our system. I'm beginning to take your attitude of knowing more about America than we do as offensive.
IMO

First of all, it is sad that you dont wish outsider input..but that doesnt matter really.and I do not pretend to KNOW anything about America..I think you mean United States??? anyway.. you believe I am offensive because I care to try and disuade fears about "Univeral Health Care"??? OK..then pleeze scoll by me...:-)..as I am obviously typing to a person who has already made their decision...and that is your right ..I must apologize for offending you with my opinion..however just because I dont live within the US borders..I too have rights to share my opinion..dont I?

Have a nice Sunday evening!

LMS

[Veritas]

Sorry, but hiding links doesn't work for me. Of course I'm going to believe the Glenn Beck site over the words I and many others heard come from his mouth on the show. My facts are far from askew. Yours on the other hand, not so much.

It's a shame really that you feel the need to hide the links in hopes that one will just click on them instead of checking first to see where they lead. Are you that ashamed that you have to hide them?

Find a video, when he answered that "I'm a commentator" to the question about checking facts he was saying no, as a commentator he doesn't have to check facts. See, it behooves one to pay attention and not cherry pick.

Glenn Beck lied on Barabara Walters and Whoopi Goldberg and got called on it. You think liars are a-ok? Sorry, I don't. It's why I never supported George W. Bush.

Let me help you out. If you run your mouse on the word "LINK" and right click a box comes up. Go to "Properties" and it will tell you where the link originates.

I never met so many people afraid of the "hidden links". :rolleyes:

Glenn Beck is a commentator and he does research his topics. You don't watch him, per your admission, so you have no clue as to what he does in preparation for his topics. The problem is that you don't agree with his conclusions. You'd rather agree with Keith Olbermann or Rachel Maddow because they speak your language.

It serves no one to only look at one side of the story. I don't think liars are okay. That is why I have problems with the current President as well as the last President.

You see, as much as it pleases you to believe that everyone is an avid Bush supporter, I was not. I did not vote for him in '00 or '04. I did not agree with him on many of his policies. The difference between you and I is that I didn't harvest bitterness and rancor for the man. Instead, like you, I voiced my dissent and he welcomed the voice of those against him. He understood that free speech is what makes America the grand country it is.

Now, there is fear to dissent because people will turn you in to a government snitch site. It seems our current President doesn't like when opposition speaks out against his policies.

But hey, you survived Bush, so I can at least try to survive Obama. I pray that we all do.

We are still allowed to pray, thank God!


JMHO

[Gary_Tibbs]

You see, you are not just sharing your opinions, you are making judgments about other posters too.
IMO

I disagree. From what I have seen, Lynda is a very polite poster sharing her insights.

[MrsBeesley]

I disagree. From what I have seen, Lynda is a very polite poster sharing her insights.

I agree with you - Lynda is a very good poster on these boards.

[Lady_Jean_La]

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Where the heck does it say that?

That would be a good job for prison workers. imo

[True2Blues]

That would be a good job for prison workers. imo

That's a good idea. Then they could charge very little and keep prisoners from having too much time on their hands. Health care reform or no, that's a good idea!

[True2Blues]

Just stop and think about it for a minute. How many assistant programs are the taxpayers supporting now with taxes from our paychecks? I know the major ones and if I tried to list them I am sure I would miss some.

There are 3rd and 4th (maybe 5th :shrug: ) generation welfare families in this country. How much money do they pay in taxes? What about illegals?

IF there was a national sales tax in lieu of federal income tax, everyone would pay. Low income, middle income, upper income, the upper upper income, illegals, people on welfare, international tourist... The more you spend, the more you would pay.


jmo

You have a point, at least those who pay no other way would have to kick in. If it was in lieu of federal income tax that would be a thought, but I don't see the government letting income tax too easily.

If you could talk them into that though, depending on the amount, it could certainly work out. I agree.

[blueberri]

Hummmm Why are you debating with me??..You are Canadian..and are fortunate to have the system you have with all its warts..so why do you challenge my efforts to educate those south of us??? Do you not agree their system need changing??..Do you not believe that Corporate Coffers are fueling mis-information???

Pleeze..give your negative opinions all you wish..have at it..but your are not living in their shoes...and it will not be easy to change over..and in case you forget our (Canadian) changes took decdes to get sorted out..so pleeze be careful when blaming them for trying to make things better for th majority..costs will be enormous..however..as we found..It does not cost us our homes..investments and everything we worked our whole lives..just because there is a Health Issue..

BTW..I know you appreciate your system ( flawed as it is..PEI)..but compared to what happens south of us..is NO COMPARISON!!

Thats all I will say to YOU...Obama is not your Pres..IF you have issues with our Prime Minister..or your Premier..fine..kindly direct your negativism to those people...

LMS:sneaky:And just what qualifies you to "to educate those south of us???". So what if you have worked in the "medical" field for forty years? My neighbour has too..... in the housekeeping dept. IIRC correctly you said in one of your many, many posts that you weren't close to being a senior, well if you have spent forty years working, you didn’t spend a heck of a lot of time in university, you do the math. If I want to post my opinions and my experiences on this message board I will and I don't need your permission to do so. The health care system we have in Canada is NO COMPARISON to the blank cheque BO is trying to force on Americans.Your posts are also full of half truths, Canadians can be, and are denied medical insurance for pre-existing conditions, and if you think for one minute that Canadians don't need to carry additional medical insurance, you're wrong. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia/story/2009/03/06/hinkley-cancer.html