8/6 - 8/9

[CinderL.]

"whether" makes the difference. False allegations can drive an individual to the brink of suicide.

You say he shouldn't have invited these kids... -- and this was his mistake and / or stupidity. Naivity (or how maybe you would call it: stupidity) is no crime. It definitely can't be that someone is TREATED like a CRIMINAL based on prejudice!

Therefore "whether" is essential!

Have YOU ever been accused of something comparatively harmless (= nothing criminal) what you haven't done? It already happened to almost everybody, I believe. It never feels good... and one is in the position to justify and feels the need to prove the claimed story wrong.

To me this is so simple. The first time he is accused of something, whether right or wrong, whether he was a child in a man's body or whatever, you don't continue the behavior if you don't want to be exposed to someone who might extort you, or the LE may come after you. So simple. If he couldn't control his behavior, then someone who worked for him, an attrny, or someone, should have made the point clear. IMO

[aproudmom]

What I am saying regardless of the allegations, after the first time, You change your behavior if you don't want to be accused again. Whether any of the allegations are true or not. Change the behavior or you will be accused again. Stupid.

I agree he should have but he found nothing wrong with it since he was not molesting children he always says he slept in the floor..true I have NO CLUE..but thank goodness he stopped after the trial..Deep down I think he never thought it was a bad thing to love children and help them..and I also read that the tabloid would snap shots of him only with young boys not all the girls who also spent time with him..is that true I have NO IDEA..he was a easy target the Martin B. Doc was so misleading it made me sick watching it again..I thought the man was a pedo years ago over that doc alone...jmo

[daniel green]

snipped Daniel followed his fight over the years..he didn't lose it either to the two diseases he had (diabetes and chronic upper respiratory disease) but to cancer.

ok im babbling. just still miss him...my little mannie who took his inhalation treatments with an oxygen mask sitting up straight on my lap twice a day..he knew it worked. We slept with my hand under his chin and his paw on my forearm every night

I did follow his fight, and he put up one heck of a fight.

There is no such thing as babbling when it comes to pets or grand-children!

[CinderL.]

I agree he should have but he found nothing wrong with it since he was not molesting children he always says he slept in the floor..true I have NO CLUE..but thank goodness he stopped after the trial..Deep down I think he never thought it was a bad thing to love children and help them..and I also read that the tabloid would snap shots of him only with young boys not all the girls who also spent time with him..is that true I have NO IDEA..he was a easy target the Martin B. Doc was so misleading it made me sick watching it again..I thought the man was a pedo years ago over that doc alone...jmo

But, the fact is, he put himself in this position. His ultimate responsibility. People I am sure warned him of what he was doing wasn't going to look good. If all he wanted to do was help the children, there were millions of ways to help without bringing them into his home.

[February]

#1 His behavior wasn't illegal.
#2 He didn't break the law, therefore no reason for him to think he was above the law.
#3 The jurors did their civic duty and have never been accused of juror misconduct.


Absolutely. The jurors were not impressed by the accuser's mother who lied on the stand and wagged her finger at the jury. The entire trial was a circus. Poor Michael, that surely took a toll on his health.
People can be so evil.

[CinderL.]

Absolutely. The jurors were not impressed by the accuser's mother who lied on the stand and wagged her finger at the jury. The entire trial was a circus. Poor Michael, that surely took a toll on his health.
People can be so evil.

Yes, people can be evil. If Mj was just an innocent "child" wanting all children to be happy, and I am not discounting this, he needed to be more careful of what he did. He opened himself up to ruin. And, if he was just this childlike man, where were the people who should have been hired to protect him from himself?

[who_is_it]

To me this is so simple. The first time he is accused of something, whether right or wrong, whether he was a child in a man's body or whatever, you don't continue the behavior if you don't want to be exposed to someone who might extort you, or the LE may come after you. So simple.
<snipped>

IMO

I agree, he shouldn't have done this again. It was naive. Nevertheless one can't argue that he therefore he deserves what has happened after. It's too horrific, too shady... and not at all in balance with his (innocent) mistake -- imo an act of love to an ill teenager.

The (imo unfair) Bashir docu has caused him enough suffering. If you think he deserves to be punished the edited Basir docu and raised eyebrows in consequence would have been more than enough punishment imo.

[daniel green]

Holy moly!

SandyCrack, here's another one for you:

Jermaine and Larry's Forgotten 2003 Talk
March 7, 2006

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,187054,00.html

//snip//
Here are excerpts from it, in Jermaine’s own voice. I have no idea where he is right now, but my guess is that if Michael has found out about this, Jermaine is on his way to a place much farther away than Bahrain:

“My brother is a superstar, yes. My brother is wealthy. He owns shares in Sony music. He drinks, he does drugs, he lies, he cheats, he changed his skin color and mostly, he’s human. He attracts gay men and wards off women like the plague.”

“He married a woman because she was pregnant and he was doing business with Muslims (which I am a Muslim) and Muslims won’t do business with someone who is engaged in having children without being married.

"He paid this woman, who nobody would ever look twice at, several million dollars. My brother purchased children. It is like a sanctioned black market. He is very powerful; he picked the sperm donor by using information provided by a sperm bank. Now, who can do that? Michael Jackson, that’s who, my brother.

“I have maintained my residence by my mother's side at the family's Hayvenhurst estate in Encino, California because I know how much I am needed there. Michael counts on me to be there as does the rest of my family.”
//snip//

Regardless of whether it's been exaggerated or embellished, imo this family had some real problems.

YOWZER. :ohmy::scared::tongueside:

[aproudmom]

To me this is so simple. The first time he is accused of something, whether right or wrong, whether he was a child in a man's body or whatever, you don't continue the behavior if you don't want to be exposed to someone who might extort you, or the LE may come after you. So simple. If he couldn't control his behavior, then someone who worked for him, an attrny, or someone, should have made the point clear. IMO

Cinder I do not want to nit pick with you I see just what you are saying and also I see what (who) is saying..but I remember in just the first few days so many said boys would be coming out of the woodwork saying he did things to them well so far have we seen that? No I really think MJ thought it was ok he was not harming anyone he was showing children love and helping sick kids..and second FGS anyone that takes money over their child's innocence should be locked up that is sick no amount of money would pay for what someone did to my child if I thought they had been abused but you both make good points..jmo

[CinderL.]

I agree, he shouldn't have done this again. It was naive. Nevertheless one can't argue that he therefore he deserves what has happened after. It's too horrific, too shady... and not at all in balance with his (innocent) mistake -- imo an act of love to an ill teenager.

The (imo unfair) Bashir docu has caused him enough suffering. If you think he deserves to be punished the edited Basir docu and raised eyebrows in consequence would have been more than enough punishment imo.

Why in the world would he do that interview?

[CinderL.]

Cinder I do not want to nit pick with you I see just what you are saying and also I see what (who) is saying..but I remember in just the first few days so many said boys would be coming out of the woodwork saying he did things to them well so far have we seen that? No I really think MJ thought it was ok he was not harming anyone he was showing children love and helping sick kids..and second FGS anyone that takes money over their child's innocence should be locked up that is sick no amount of money would pay for what someone did to my child if I thought they had been abused but you both make good points..jmo

I don't want to nit pic either. If Mj wanted to help children, give them money, set up hospital visits for them, all of the things he did do....which was wonderful... just don't bring them to Neverland and spend time alone with them. He, maybe in his innocence was stupid, but after the first allegations, most people would learn to do things differently to help the one's he wanted to help.

[daniel green]

In the interview Michael and Lisa gave he said he would like to adopt kids from all over the world (= Angelina-like).

That sure didn't pan out, did it?

[who_is_it]

Why in the world would he do that interview?

Cinder, I have to log out now. To reply shortly: Bashir was staying 5 (?) months at Neverland. Michael saw him as a friend. In contradiction to his original intention to do a nice documentary Bashir edited the footage and made Michael Jackson look like a fool. The videographer Hamed Moleshi testified that the material was edited.

Btw, Bashir spoke out after Michael's death he never believed Michael did something criminal. He should have said this in his docu.... It would have saved Michael Jackson from a lot of pain imo.

[CinderL.]

Just a question for all of you MJ die hard board members......how many of you are East Coast and how many are West Coast? I am West Coast, and am very tired right now. You East Coasters stay up very late. :laugh:

[CinderL.]

Cinder, I have to log out now. To reply shortly: Bashir was staying 5 (?) months at Neverland. Michael saw him as a friend. On contrary to his original intention to do a nice documentary Bashir edited the footage and made Michael Jackson look a fool. The videographer Hamed Moleshi testified that the material was edited.

Btw, Bashir spoke out after Michael's death he never believed Michael did something criminal. He should have said this in his docu.... It would have saved Michael Jackson from a lot of pain imo.

Thanks, I didn't know that. I only saw one small part of his interview. Had not a clue how this all came about. :smile:

[who_is_it]

Just a question for all of you MJ die hard board members......how many of you are East Coast and how many are West Coast? I am West Coast, and am very tired right now. You East Coasters stay up very late. :laugh:

Then count what time it is in Europe. It's morning already...

[aproudmom]

But, the fact is, he put himself in this position. His ultimate responsibility. People I am sure warned him of what he was doing wasn't going to look good. If all he wanted to do was help the children, there were millions of ways to help without bringing them into his home.

I agree with you that I would never do it but he felt there was nothing wrong with it unlike me who thought it was odd and the kids wanted to be at neverland heck what kid would not want to be.. and like I said I did not start reading everything until a month ago and seen some pretty dirty things going on..but I agree with you I think he should have watched out knowing he was a target...but I am not in his head so I do not know what his thinking was..but if I thought for 1 second he did those things I would be the first on here to say it..now stop picking on me..:tonguewag:..lol

[who_is_it]

Thanks, I didn't know that. I only saw one small part of his interview. Had not a clue how this all came about. :smile:

I've once witnessed in real life how something was edited. 3 sentences... and they cut 2 sentences out and the 1 sentence left was put into a different context -- together with pictures of a different context. I was disgusted.

[CinderL.]

Then count what time it is in Europe. It's morning already...
Yikes, yes it is. :biggrin:

[daniel green]

snipped

If Jackson is truly the superhuman philanthropist and humanitarian you claim he is, accept him as he is. And try to resist the urge to tell those of us who believe he is merely human that it's our problem when we disagree with something he did. imo

Thank you.

All the personal poster-bashing is getting very old.

[February]

------------------------------

just more of the same old blah blah blah. yawn imo


Are we keeping you up?
Blah Blah Blah is quite the eloquent response when the facts cannot be reputed.

[CinderL.]

I agree with you that I would never do it but he felt there was nothing wrong with it unlike me who thought it was odd and the kids wanted to be at neverland heck what kid would not want to be.. and like I said I did not start reading everything until a month ago and seen some pretty dirty things going on..but I agree with you I think he should have watched out knowing he was a target...but I am not in his head so I do not know what his thinking was..but if I thought for 1 second he did those things I would be the first on here to say it..now stop picking on me..:tonguewag:..lol

HA, not trying to pick on you. Just trying to figure out what in the world he was thinking. He could have had millions of kids come to NL, and never put himself in the position he did. He could have had interaction with the kids, with other people around, and never would have been put in the position he was. :shrug:

But, again I really am not trying to pick on anyone. :0

[CinderL.]

I've once witnessed in real life how something was edited. 3 sentences... and they cut 2 sentences out and the 1 sentence left was put into a different context -- together with pictures of a different context. I was disgusted.

It happens all the time....things taken out of context, things edited. People need to be very careful in interviews.

[CinderL.]

Should someone start a MJ 2 thread? It is getting up there? I don't know how this weekend thread works??

Maybe not, cause I think I am all alone now. LOL

[aproudmom]

Just a question for all of you MJ die hard board members......how many of you are East Coast and how many are West Coast? I am West Coast, and am very tired right now. You East Coasters stay up very late. :laugh:

it is only 1:40 here I do not go to bed till my boys are both home..and my oldest works 2 shift but I can not sleep until they are both here and safe geezzz and he is almost 19..lol..a mom thing I guess..are you trying to tell us to go to bed?

[aproudmom]

Should someone start a MJ 2 thread? It is getting up there? I don't know how this weekend thread works??

Maybe not, cause I think I am all alone now. LOL

go for it..i nominate you:biggrin:

[February]

Should someone start a MJ 2 thread? It is getting up there? I don't know how this weekend thread works??

Maybe not, cause I think I am all alone now. LOL


As MJ sang "You Are Not Alone"
Go for it! Start the new thread.

[CinderL.]

it is only 1:40 here I do not go to bed till my boys are both home..and my oldest works 2 shift but I can not sleep until they are both here and safe geezzz and he is almost 19..lol..a mom thing I guess..are you trying to tell us to go to bed?

Not a bit. I want the company. LOL. I didn't stop waiting up for my kids until they got to be over 21. I would have been up till gosh knows when. I did still make them come in and wake me up.

[February]

As MJ sang "You Are Not Alone"
Go for it! Start the new thread.


Bump Go for it, girl!

[CinderL.]

Bump Go for it, girl!

DONE!!!!!:laugh:

[aproudmom]

Thank you.

All the personal poster-bashing is getting very old.

:confused:..........I have not seen any personal bashing daniel

[CinderL.]

I have looked around and didn't see anything close to poster bashing. I asked politely that I be directed to any such bashing. Could you please tell me where the bashing can be found on today's thread. TIA

I haven't seen much either. Can you all go to my new thread? I am very lonely there.

the thead that you all made me start, by the way.

[aproudmom]

I have looked around and didn't see anything close to poster bashing. I asked politely that I be directed to any such bashing. Could you please tell me where the bashing can be found on today's thread. TIA

Hi Arg I am wondering the same I thought we were all being nice:confused:

[daniel green]

I am disgusted, thoroughly disgusted, by ugly, nasty posts about children. Children, forpetesakes.

[who_is_it]

Holy moly!

SandyCrack, here's another one for you:

Jermaine and Larry's Forgotten 2003 Talk
March 7, 2006

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,187054,00.html

//snip//
Here are excerpts from it, in Jermaine’s own voice. I have no idea where he is right now, but my guess is that if Michael has found out about this, Jermaine is on his way to a place much farther away than Bahrain:

“My brother is a superstar, yes. My brother is wealthy. He owns shares in Sony music. He drinks, he does drugs, he lies, he cheats, he changed his skin color and mostly, he’s human. He attracts gay men and wards off women like the plague.”

“He married a woman because she was pregnant and he was doing business with Muslims (which I am a Muslim) and Muslims won’t do business with someone who is engaged in having children without being married.

"He paid this woman, who nobody would ever look twice at, several million dollars. My brother purchased children. It is like a sanctioned black market. He is very powerful; he picked the sperm donor by using information provided by a sperm bank. Now, who can do that? Michael Jackson, that’s who, my brother.

“I have maintained my residence by my mother's side at the family's Hayvenhurst estate in Encino, California because I know how much I am needed there. Michael counts on me to be there as does the rest of my family.”
//snip//

Regardless of whether it's been exaggerated or embellished, imo this family had some real problems.

Hi Zenyatta,

I DO question Jermaine's motives and honesty but have to defend him on this one. Roger Friedman is quite biased and often referred to unnamed sources during the trial ("My sources told me...")

Always trashy Friedman refers to Larry King:

"But in the CNN transcript archives, Jermaine told King on Jan. 9, 2003, that he was writing such a book."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,187054,00.html

Indeed Jermaine gave an interview on 2003 Jan 9th and mentioned he maybe wants to write a book:

"KING: Are you working on a book?

JERMAINE JACKSON: Yes. "Legacy: Surviving the Best and Worst. " Looking -- meeting with certain publishers seeing can we go that extra mile. Seeing who's willing to support a book tour world wide and things like that. It's about growing up. Growing up in Gary and our childhood and things that..."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0301/09/lkl.00.html

Friedman goes on:

"I was so interested in Jermaine’s 2003 proposal that I called around to find the actual document. Sure enough, there still were copies to be found. Here are excerpts from it, in Jermaine’s own voice."

Then comes what you've quoted.http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,187054,00.html

Uuhmmm -- where please? Where is the proof (= the excerpts in Jermaine's own voice)?

Stacey Brown (I always thought female, but Stacey is male) cashes in since years with "secrets" about Michael Jackson. I want to know when the "family friend" had his last encounter with the Jacksons... In the end Jermaine did NOT go for the book deal with Stacey Brown. Now Stacey makes money again... -- with Jermaine's alleged words though Jermaine did NOT agree on their publication.

Stacey Brown, Tarraborelli, Bob Jones... I want to know when these biographers have spoken to Michael Jackson for the last time. Imo they just cash in but didn't know the man at all.

[who_is_it]

ITA.

Do you know if there any chance MJ can win a nobel prize?

It won't shock me if Billy Mays wins a daytime emmy too.

Don't you think that would be out of touch with reality!?

[warhorse46]

I have always wondered about that.

Really, MJ readily admitted "sharing" your bed with children is a beautiful thing (paraphrasing). He said it wasn't anything to do with being sexual. So why do some seem to see that as proof that he was a pedophile? I just don't get that. It certainly wasn't in MJs mind so who's mind immediately sees only a sexual connection to "sharing a bed with children?" It just seems so much more about their own deep seeded thoughts than the thoughts of MJ.

I do think that was MJs nightmare for so many years. The media and some of the public put their own thoughts into MJs head and tried to make them his thoughts. This is how THEY saw it, not MJ.

He openly discussed this with the world and imo told the truth but in MJs case the truth wasn't what people wanted to hear or believe so they imposed their own thoughts where they see sharing a bed as having only a sexual purpose. Sad really in a way that some automatically make that leap.

While it certainly was not the norm then the circumstances weren't either when it came to MJ and the children who loved to come to Neverland to see him and loved it there. Just because he wanted them to feel special and offered them his bed never ever means that MJs intentions were anything other than to make them feel happy, loved and included.

imo



An adult male shares his bed with prepubescent boys (note, no females), has multple locks on the bedroom door, makes alcoholic beverages available to these boys, has porn available to them, has had multiple accusations of sexual molestations lodged against him---these are all huge indicators of a pedophile. It is logical to infer the adult male is a pedophile under the above mentioned circumstances.

[on board!]

I am disgusted, thoroughly disgusted, by ugly, nasty posts about children. Children, forpetesakes.

All I've read was quite factual... until you came with this non-factual post. Both parties remained factual. By your comment which includes false allegations you just prove that you yourself think it's okay to come up with false allegations. Ugh!

[GentleBreeze]

An adult male shares his bed with prepubescent boys (note, no females), has multiple locks on the bedroom door, makes alcoholic beverages available to these boys, has porn available to them, has had multiple accusations of sexual molestations lodged against him---these are all huge indicators of a pedophile. It is logical to infer the adult male is a pedophile under the above mentioned circumstances.

Girls also came into his bedroom.

And your other arguments were not believed by the jury nor me. So I don't put much into what was said in the trial that yielded a not guilty.

Lots of stars have multiple locks on their doors and even have "panic" room or secret rooms so I don't find that odd either.

Crazy loons have been known to infiltrate the secured grounds and come in and harm actors and entertainers.

I don't infer that someone is a pedophile. There is no proof that MJ ever had any harmful intent against children when he had the sleepovers.

imo

[who_is_it]

Girls also came into his bedroom.

And your other arguments were not believed by the jury nor me. So I don't put much into what was said in the trial that yielded a not guilty.

Lots of stars have multiple locks on their doors and even have "panic" room or secret rooms so I don't find that odd either.

Crazy loons have been known to infiltrate the secured grounds and come in and harm actors and entertainers.

I don't infer that someone is a pedophile. There is no proof that MJ ever had any harmful intent against children when he had the sleepovers.

imo

Michael Jackson said there were many girls, too, in an interview he gave together with Lisa Marie. One can find it on youtube.

He said some children were so attached to him that they've even tried follow him into his bathroom.

[GentleBreeze]

Michael Jackson said there were many girls, too, in an interview he gave together with Lisa Marie. One can find it on youtube.

He said some children were so attached to him that they've even tried follow him into his bathroom.

Yes, I am puzzled why some try to remove the girls that were also there constantly in and out and laying on the bed watching tv, talking or playing video games, etc..:confused:

Now he may not have let the girls stay at night because imo MJ thought this was a sleepover with the boys just like boys do when they were the ages of the boys that were there. Even Dr. K said MJs mind was like a 10 year old child.

I think this was spurred on by the good memories he did have of his childhood where all of his brothers and him would congregate in one bedroom.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Where can I read about all the girls and boys that were constantly in and out of his bed? Do you know who permitted them to go visit? I am fascinated. TIA

He and his brothers congregated in one bedroom because they only had 2 or 3 bdrms total in the house in Gary, IN. They had no where else to congregate. And it doesn't sound like all good times to me hearing all the family drama spill out over the years.

Omg, Annelle. That was known way back in the allegation trial years ago, iirc.

I think they did spend their happiest times together when at the end of the day they could just shut the bedroom door and be brothers and nothing more. No workhorses or entertainers, just boys, where they knew that Joe was asleep in his own bed.

imo

[who_is_it]

Yes, I am puzzled why some try to remove the girls that were also there constantly in and out and laying on the bed watching tv, talking or playing video games, etc..:confused:

Now he may not have let the girls stay at night because imo MJ thought this was a sleepover with the boys just like boys do when they were the ages of the boys that were there. Even Dr. K said MJs mind was like a 10 year old child.

I think this was spurred on by the good memories he did have of his childhood where all of his brothers and him would congregate in one bedroom.

imo

Right, in big families all kids hang out and sleep together in the same room.

Stan Katz said so, yes. Apart from the fact that his statements to Zelis serve as a proof for the bad intentions of the family I don't have a high opinion of him. Reason is that he teamed up with Feldman twice. Probably Katz cashed in, too.

[who_is_it]

he had physical contact with children. Unfortunately, there are people that cannot differentiate between physical contact and sexual contact or misconduct. For those, any physical contact is automatically sexual contact or misconduct. Those people are really sick. imo.

I agree. What would be the world like if you couldn't hug a child anymore without being accused of sexual intentions?

[who_is_it]

<snipped>

1) Why did adults that didn't know him, whose kids didn't know him, just up and leave their children to spend the night? If he was their plumber and wanted to nurture them, would they have done the same?

<snipped>

2) Who are all these children that loved him? Have their parents spoken out about his good influence and deeds? Just asking.

1) I've posted a link yesterday which proved that the mother of the AV often didn't take care of her children... -- she was not even once in the hospital during the AV's chemotherapie while Azja Pryor and Chris Tucker cared for the teenager!

http://www.accesshollywood.com/azja-pryor

2) Some of the (former) children who loved Michael have testified, for example Wade Robson and McCulkin.

Annelle, no one here can rehash and summarize all the results of a discussion which lasted about one year.

The cross examinations during the trial are more interesting but if you want to get a first impression to overcome prejudice I would recommend you to read the Grand Jury Transcripts which are available on the internet:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/michaeljackson/021505mjgrandjury.html

This is also an article which gives a summary; it's a website which is addressed to lawyers.

Why the Michael Jackson Case Is Falling Apart, How the Prosecution Began Poorly, And What the Defense Ought to Do Next

http://writ.corporate.findlaw.com/hilden/20050315.html

[CinderL.]

Hi all, just wanted to mention there is a new thread started. Hope to see you there. :smile:

[warhorse46]

Its not logical at all, when you consider that those very allegations were found to be not true, when presented in a court of law. Its not logical to render someone a pedophile because he has locks on his door. Not logical at all.

imo...of course.


They were found to be true in civil courts of law. And you must take all the evidence to piece together the puzzle, not just a piece or two to make a reasonable inference. It's called circumstantial evidence.

[warhorse46]

Michael Jackson said there were many girls, too, in an interview he gave together with Lisa Marie. One can find it on youtube.

He said some children were so attached to him that they've even tried follow him into his bathroom.



MJ said---that is not a credible source of information on this issue IMO. He has been caught in too many lies for his words to be credible.

[daniel green]

An adult male shares his bed with prepubescent boys (note, no females), has multple locks on the bedroom door, makes alcoholic beverages available to these boys, has porn available to them, has had multiple accusations of sexual molestations lodged against him---these are all huge indicators of a pedophile. It is logical to infer the adult male is a pedophile under the above mentioned circumstances.

Indeed, WH. Indeed. And the overwhelming majority of Americans believe just that.

[on board!]

Indeed, WH. Indeed. And the overwhelming majority of Americans believe just that.

Often the masses are dumb. Isn't this your position in the political forum?

You're dedicated to environmental issues but a green planet inhabited by the scum of the earth and liars like the grifter family is useless. You hang on to your biased beliefs instead of educating yourself about the Michael Jackson case.

[on board!]

They were found to be true in civil courts of law. And you must take all the evidence to piece together the puzzle, not just a piece or two to make a reasonable inference. It's called circumstantial evidence.

What big BS! There was never any civil suit following the allegations.

[daniel green]

Can you direct me to a link to whatever poll you have relied on to support your statement. TIA

snipped.

Forty-five percent (45%) of American adults believe Michael Jackson is guilty of the charges brought in his child molestation trial. A Rasmussen Reports survey found that 21% disagree and say that the pop star is Not Guilty.

Still, only 14% believe Jackson will be convicted and sent to prison. Fifty-seven percent (57%) disagree and say he will not do time.

Just 16% of Americans now have a favorable opinion of Jackson. That figure is especially startling since 31% have bought a Michael Jackson CD or record at some point in their lives.

Fifty-three percent (53%) of Americans have an unfavorable opinion of Jackson.

http://legacy.rasmussenreports.com/2005/Michael%20Jackson.htm

[daniel green]

Nearly two-thirds of Americans surveyed believe that news organizations have given too much coverage to the death of Michael Jackson, while some still feel the media have given it just the right amount of attention, according to a poll reported on by the Associated Press.

In the Pew Research Center poll published last week, 64 percent of those surveyed said Jackson’s death has received too much coverage, 29 percent said the story received the right amount and 3 percent said the story got too little attention.

http://blog.ez-tracks.com/public/item/poll-64-percent-say-too-much-jackson-coverage

[daniel green]

From what you know about the case, do you think Michael Jackson is guilty or innocent?

Guilty - 63.8%
Innocent - 36.2%

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1484427/20040116/jackson_michael.jhtml

[Firehead11]

Did Coldwater change her mind in the past week and allow the trial to be discussed?

[daniel green]

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The 12 Americans who actually saw the evidence, or lack thereof, or listened to the testimony voted not guilty. In other words 100% of the informed americans believed MJ was NOT guilty of the crimes charged.

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Pls do post anything that proves that statement.

[daniel green]

SANTA MARIA, California (CNN) -- A California jury has exonerated Michael Jackson of the child molestation, conspiracy and alcohol charges that could have sent him to prison for nearly 20 years.


http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/13/jackson.trial/

Totally nonresponsive, of course. :rolleyes: