Aussie Woman Sought in New Madeleine McCann Twist [Archive]

happy2bme

08-06-2009, 10:39 AM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/aug/06/victoria-beckham-lookalike-madeleine-mccann

A "Victoria Beckham lookalike" is being sought by private detectives searching for Madeleine Mccann who disappeared from her family's holiday apartment in Portugal in May 2007.
The woman, said to have an Australian or New Zealand accent, was reportedly seen by two British men in Barcelona, Spain, days after Madeleine went missing in Praia da Luz shortly before her fourth birthday.
The woman said something to one of the men that has convinced investigators working for the McCanns that she could provide potentially significant information. An efit of the woman was released today at a London press conference by a family spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, and David Edgar, the retired detective who now leads the search for the girl.
Mitchell said the two men first saw the woman when they were drinking in bars in Barcelona's Port Olympic Marina at about 2am on 7 May 2007. Madeleine went missing on the night of 3 May, providing enough time, Edgar suggested, for the child to have been transported to the Spanish city by sea or road. Neither Mitchell nor Edgar would reveal details of the conversation.
The woman was said to be well-dressed but appeared agitated, and was apparently waiting for someone outside the El Ray de la Gamba restaurant bar. One of the men, a 41-year-old Briton, had spoken to her and she apparently thought he was the person she was expecting, the news conference heard.
The witnesses said the woman was between 30 and 35, short, slim and, said Mitchell, "a bit of a Victoria Beckham lookalike". She seemed fluent in Spanish or Catalan, they said.
The McCann investigators received the information around six weeks ago and Edgar recently spent two days in Barcelona.

imlawlor

08-06-2009, 12:13 PM

Two men who had been bar hopping as part of a group out drinking two years ago in Spain are just now reporting a possible lead in the Madeleine case. They approached a women at 2:00 a.m. who was walking up and down in an area known to be frequented by hookers. Something she said to them made them think she knew something about the Madeleine case. The McCann detectives will not tell us what was said or why it took these bar hopping individuals two years to come forward but they say the woman is not a suspect.

Please do not get your hopes up that this will lead to Madeleine. The woman will never to found as the whole thing is just too vague.

n/t

08-06-2009, 08:13 PM

Victoria Beckham lookalike? :lol:

Sorry. How much more BS can they keep feeding the public? What happened to the dying pedophile? Did they ever get his DNA?

Well at least this efit has a closer resemblance to one of the original sketches. :rolleyes:

Poor Madeleine. I hope one day this baby girl will get justice.

n/t

08-06-2009, 08:18 PM

I believe whatever happened to this child happened in that flat. And the parents "fund" is running out. Therefore, they need "exposure" again, and this is a way to try to get it. By using the Media, as they always have.
It makes me sick.

Because I don't believe this was an abduction at all. I never will. I think her parents know she will never be found, ergo they are safe to continue their false campaign. And, ask for funds all the while. Which is just as low as the Anthony's and no different in my opinion.

I bet they're hitting themselves over the head wondering why they didn't think of Zanny the nanny first.

Aussie Gal

08-06-2009, 08:47 PM

n/t

08-06-2009, 08:59 PM

On the radio here this morning it said.....
'The investigators are willing to fly to Australia to follow up this lead'

Sounds to me like these guys are after a holiday!

Australian or New Zealand accent - LOL!!!
They are VERY different accents... maybe they want to holiday in New Zealand as well.

Can't remember the Australian blogger's name, it's been so long but he'll have a field day with this one.

Shouldn't they be checking Spain. Afterall that's where this Victoria Beckham lookalike hung out 2 years ago. Funny how they suddenly remembered this woman.

Good grief.:rolleyes:

GossipGirl

08-10-2009, 08:27 AM

JD1974

08-10-2009, 05:54 PM

I agree with above poster, guess the fund is running low....what a joke.

n/t

08-10-2009, 09:09 PM

The hunt for A Spice girl look alike. See photo. Rich lady with a yacht.

or this other poor woman:

Judith Aron, of Glen Iris in Victoria, was said to bear a striking resemblance to the woman but said: 'I'm 53 years old and I certainly don't look like a Spice Girl.

'I'm totally shocked anybody may have thought I have some connection to the case. I have been looking after my sick father and I haven't left the country since 2000.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1205365/Owner-3m-yacht-centre-Madeleine-McCann-hunt-vows-to-help-investigation.html

What a disgrace. Read the comments.

Also, Madeleine McCann search has cost British police £750,000. That's approx 1.2 million US Dollars.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/police-spend-pound750000-on-madeleine-mccann-hunt-14442433.html

Aussie Gal

08-11-2009, 01:39 AM

What was the personal reason we haven't heard from these guys before because of? Were they in jail or something?
I've always believed, like the posters above, that she died as a result of over-medication in the hotel room, and it's all been one big cover-up ever since.
I will be truly surprised if I hear anything different.
GG

I will try and find a link.
The newspaper here said it was something about his wife would have been really mad cause he was out talking to other women. :ohmy:

I guess they have broken up recently and so it's ok from him to tell now!

IRONSIDE 2

09-11-2009, 07:53 AM

IRONSIDE 2

09-11-2009, 08:03 AM

There is so much that you do not know...Here is a statement from a friend of the Mccanns given to the police. You will clearly see her concern for madeleine and her concern about mccanns friend David Payne...Ophra did not do her homework, I thought she was supposed to be the best ,yet she let the Mccanns leave her with egg on her face . They have made a fool of her.

xxxxxxxx

If anyone is interested I can give you the links to the police files so that you may read them at your leisure.

Here is the statement from Katherine Gaspar she is a Doctor.

Last Name: Gaspar Forenames: Katherina
Date of Testimony: 16/05/2007 Number of Pages: 8

I give this declaration in relation to the McCANN family who are currently in Portugal. The McCANN family is composed of Gerry McCANN, his wife, Kate McCANN and their three children, Madeleine, of 4 years old, and Sean and Amelie, who are twins and of 2 years of old.

As is profusely divulged in the news, Madeleine is not with her family, at present, and has been missing for the last two weeks.

I will begin by explaining that I am married to Savio Gaspar and that we have two daughters. Exxxx of almost 3 years old and Ixxxx which is now 1 year old. I have been married to Savio for 11 years. I am a general practitioner as is my husband. I met my husband when we were (page 1) working together in Exeter, around 14 years ago.

In order to explain how we know the McCANN family, I would like to state that my husband knows Kate as they both attended Dundee University between 1987 and 1992. At that time, Kate name was Kate HEALY. I met Kate and Gerry at the occasion of their wedding, in 1998, in Liverpool. Both Savio and I went to the wedding, since Savio was an old friend of Kate, we were invited to the event.

From what I know, Savio did not know Gerry before the said wedding. After this time, we met as friends, probably around three times a year, and we would go out together for the weekend. I would say that we become intimate friends of Gerry and Kate.

I remember that in 2002 or 2003, Savio and I spent a weekend with Gerry and Kate in Devon. We maintained contact with each other via telephone.

In 2002/2003 Savio and I were living in Birmingham and the McCANN’S in Leicester.

In September of 2005 Savio, myself and Exxxx, who at the time was 1 and a half years old, spent our holidays abroad, in Mallorca. We went (page 2) on holidays with Kate, Gerry, and Madeleine, who should have been around 2 and a half years old, and the twins, Sean and Amelie, who were only months old. I remember that I was pregnant with Ixxxx.

On those holidays we also met Gerry and Kate's friends.

There was a couple, whose names were Dave and Fiona, and whose surname was PAYNE, I think. I believe that they were married and had one daughter, 1 year old, named Lxxx. I remember that on these holidays, Fiona was pregnant.

There was another couple, whose names were Txxxx and Sxxxx, and whose family name I cannot remember who were also on holiday with us. They had two boys, of 1 and 3 years old, whose names I do not remember. I did not know these two families until we went on holidays together. As I recall, I think that David organised the holidays and we all stayed together in a big house while we stayed in Mallorca.

We spend a week on holidays, however, the McCANN family, and the PAYNE family stayed for two weeks. I believe that Txxxx and Sxxxx, and their two children, also stayed for one week.

Two or three days passed in Mallorca where we had fun (Page 3) with our children. Possibly around the fourth or fifth day abroad, I remember an incident that stayed recorded in my head. I say this in this way, because I have thought many times about the incident that I am about to describe.

One night, on holidays, the adults, that is, the couples aforementioned, were in a patio outside of the house where we were staying. We had been eating and drinking.

I was seated between Dave and Gerry who I believe were both speaking about Madeleine. I don't remember the conversation in its entirety, but it seemed they were discussing a possible scenario. I remember David telling Gerry something like "she", referring to Madeleine, "would do this".

When he mentioned "this", Dave was sucking on one of his fingers, pushing it inside and outside his mouth, while with the other hand he made a circle around his nipple, with a circulatory movement over his clothes. This was done in a provocative manner and carried an explicit insinuation in relation to what he was doing and making.

I remember that I was shocked at this, and looked at Gerry, and also at Dave, to gauge their reactions. I looked around (page 4) as if saying "did someone else hear that, or was it just me". There was a nervous silence registered in all the conversations and afterwards, everyone began talking again.

I never spoke to anyone about this, but I always felt that it was very strange and it wasn't something that someone should do or say.

Besides this [incident], I remember that Dave did the same thing once again. When I refer to this, I want to clarify that it was during a conversation in which he was talking about an imaginary situation, though I could not say exactly what about.

cont...

IRONSIDE 2

09-11-2009, 08:04 AM

I believe that he was talking about his own daughter, Lxxx, although I cannot be certain. He put one of his fingers in his mouth and slide it in and out, and with the other hand, drew a circle around his nipple in a sexually and provocative way. I believe that he was referring to the way that Lxxx, would behave or do it.

I believe that he did this later on, during the holidays, but I cannot be sure. The last time, besides this one, when I was with Dave and Fiona was several weeks after the holidays, when Savio and I met Gerry, Kate, Dave and Fiona at a restaurant in Leicester.

I am absolute certain that he said what he said and that he repeated the same gestures that I referred, however that could have occurred in a restaurant in Leicester, though (page five) I believe that it was later on, in Mallorca. When I heard Dave doing and making this a second time, I took it more seriously.

I remember thinking whether he looked at the girls in a manner different from me or from the others. I imagined that maybe he had visited Internet sites related to small children. In short, I thought he was interested in internet child porn.

During our holidays I was more attentive at bath time after hearing Dave saying that.

During our vacation in Mallorca, it was the fathers who took care of the children baths. I had the tendency to walk close to the bathroom, if Dave was bathing his children. I remember telling Savio to be careful and to be there, in case it was Dave helping to bathe the children and, in particular, to my daughter Exxxx. I was very clear about this, as having heard him disturbed me, and did not trust him to give a bath to Exxxx alone.

When I heard Dave say that a second time, it reinforced what I already though in relation to his thoughts about little girls. During our stay in Mallorca, Dave and his wife, Fiona, accompanied by this daughter Lxxx, took Madeleine (page 6) with them to spend the day together, and to give Kate and Gerry a bit of rest and time to be with the twins. When I say this, it is not that I was worried with Madeleine's safety, since she was also with Fiona and Lxxx, and also with Dave, as far as I know.

As I already referred, I was only with Dave and Fiona on one occasion, after Mallorca, and I have not spoken to them since that time. In the last two years, we have met, as a family, with the McCANNS, once in a while. That happens mainly at the children's birthday, a time when we get together.

The first time I had knowledge of the terrible news about Madeleine's disappearance trough the radio, my thoughts went immediately to Dave. I asked Savio if Dave was also on holidays with the McCANNS in Portugal but he did not know.

I watched TV meticulously, and seeing the coverage of the news, I understood that Dave was there, because I saw him, in the background, on the television images during the first days after the Madeleine's disappearance. Based on that, I believed that he was on holidays with the McCANNS in Portugal.

Today, Wednesday, the 16th of May of 2007, at 17:40, I gave DC Brewer an A4 page containing 2 photographic images. I am going to reference these images as (ref KZG/1) (probatory element) that may (page seven) be presented as mean of proof, if necessary.

These photographs were taken during the holidays in Mallorca. In the photographs, Dave is wearing a white t-shirt and the woman in the photograph corresponds to his wife Fiona. The man who is holding the cup of wine in the photograph is Sxxxx. These photographs were taken whilst we were in Mallorca.

IRONSIDE 2

09-11-2009, 08:11 AM

09 September 2009
Censure back in Portugal: Court Bans Gonçalo Amaral Book & Film *updated

The McCann couple was able to make an interlocutory restraining injunction against the book of the former PJ Inspector who investigated the disappearance of Madeleine.

The civil court of Lisbon accepted a restraining injunction by Gerry and Kate McCann and ordered to take from the market the book "A Verdade da Mentira", written by Gonçalo Amaral, which defends the thesis that the parents are involved in the Homicide and disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

The Court also prohibited the DVD sale with the reportage made by TVI based on the book of the former PJ Inspector. And, still according to the court, the publishing house Guerra e Paz will have to collect all the existent books [and burn them?] and deliver them at the hands of the McCann lawyers. A punishment of 1000 euros daily was established, by each day that goes by without the ruling being complied. This is a provisional ruling and it will have to be confirmed in trial.

in Expresso

Madeleine: Court orders removal of Gonçalo Amaral’s book

Lisboa, 09 Set (Lusa) – The Civil Court of Lisbon has forbidden the sale of the book “Truth about the Lie” about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, authored by former Polícia Judiciária inspector Gonçalo Amaral, and has ordered the removal of any available copies from the market.

The court’s decision, which Lusa agency accessed today, is the result of an injunction that was filed against the former inspector and the editors, in order to prevent the continuation of the divulgation of the book and of the video that is based on it, as well as the theories that are published within them, which point towards an involvement of the parents in the child’s disappearance.

The court decided, albeit in a provisory manner given the fact that this is an injunction, to forbid the editors from selling the books and the videos “that are still in stores or in other deposits or warehouses and the obligation to collect them and to deliver them [those copies] to a depository”.

According to the McCanns’ lawyer in this process, Isabel Duarte, the editors that are targeted by the judicial decision are Guerra & Paz, Editores, and VC-Valentim de Carvalho Filmes, Audiovisuais (the latter having been responsible over the broadcast of the video by TVI).

Under the court’s decision, the editors are further prohibited from performing new editions of the book or the video, as well as of “other books and/or videos that defend the same thesis and that are destined for sale or broadcast by any other means in Portugal”.

The court’s decision further mentions, as well, that the editors and the author of the book are prohibited from “citing, analysing or commenting, verbally or in writing, on parts of the book or the video that defend the theory of death or concealment of the body” of Madeleine by her parents.

The court further imposes that the editors and the author are prohibited from “proceeding with the reproduction or comment, opinion or interview, where said thesis is defended or where it can be inferred”, the judicial decision reads.

The court has further condemned the editors to the payment of a fine of one thousand euros per day in case of disrespect of the prohibitions or of the order of apprehension of the books and videos.

The action has been interposed by Kate and Gerry McCann in conjunction with the three children, Madeleine, Sean and Amelie, who are represented by lawyer Isabel Duarte.

In an information that was sent to Lusa today, the lawyer adds that this judicial procedure “was treated under secrecy, so far, in order to prevent the uselessness of the decision that was to be obtained”.

The English girl Madeleine McCann disappeared on the 3rd of May 2007, when she was aged three, from the bedroom in an apartment at a resort in Praia da Luz, near Lagos, in the Algarve, where she was on vacation with her parents and her two siblings.

Gonçalo Amaral, the author of the book that was published in 2008, alleges that the child died in the apartment where the family was staying, launching the suspicion that the parents participated in the concealment of the cadaver.

The parents were made arguidos in September 2007 but cleared in July 2008 over a lack of evidence.

Since the beginning, the family has maintained the position that Madeleine was abducted, but until this day the authorities have not been able to find out what really happened, and the Public Ministry archived the case, which may be reopened if new data about the disappearance of Madeleine emerges.

in Expresso

Media Bits & Pieces

«Clarence Mitchell said Kate and Gerry McCann were “absolutely delighted” that a judge at Lisbon’s main Civil Court had banned any further publication of 'The Truth Of The Lie' by Goncalo Amaral.»
in iol breaking news

«The sentence also rules that new editions of the book are not authorized to publish new editions.»
in SIC

«Gonçalo Amaral is also forbidden to speak on the contents of his book or the video.»
in Sol

«The Court decision thus prohibits the publisher Guerra e Paz of re-editing, selling or distributing editions of "Maddie - A Verdade da Mentira" and also of selling the publishing rights to publishers in other Countries.

The film, aired on TVI, which adopts the same argument of the book - that the parents would be responsible for the disappearance and death of Madeleine - will not be re-displayed.»
in Diário de Notícias

«Gonçalo Amaral stated to SIC that he wasn't notified, there fore he does not comment, for the time being, the courts decision»
in SIC

«In declarations to the news agency Lusa, António Cabrita, said that he wasn't notified of the decision regarding the temporary injunction which forbids the selling of the book "A Verdade da Mentira" and that he doe's not wish to make a judicial position on the subject without previously consulting with his client, Gonçalo Amaral.

However, he observed that, upon confirmation of the decision's contents, divulged in the media, it is the "freedom of expression" that is being limited, because the book about the British child's disappearance expresses an opinion about "determined facts" that did happen.»
in RTP

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n/t

09-11-2009, 08:21 AM

I'd like a copy, please. Is it something you can send me in a PM? Thank you.

IRONSIDE 2

09-11-2009, 10:13 AM

Hi NT...I will send you the links plus the book in English for you to read also the documentary. It is not secret it was given to all journalists but they chose not to publish in England we all have to do what the Mccanns say.

IRONSIDE 2

09-11-2009, 10:18 AM

N/T

This is the blog where you can read the book in English also the documentary..The book is called The Truth of The Lie.

Will find a link for the police files for you.

http://goncaloamaraltruthofthelie.blogspot.com/

IRONSIDE 2

09-11-2009, 10:23 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7542939.stm

Kate Mccann refused to answer all questions except No.49..

IRONSIDE 2

09-11-2009, 10:28 AM

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/

N/T you will find the complete case on here plus all witness statements.

There is one witness statement by Mrs.Fenn who lived above apartment 5A..She testified that she heard madeleine crying on the 1st May that was a Tuesday from 10.30 until 11.45..p.m..This proves there were no checks...I am now going to send you a u tube video...so that you can see for yourself the mccanns are not telling the truth...Mrs Fenn. said Maddie was screaming Daddy, daddy....

Any more info you need please ask also you are welcome to join the blogs of links I have posted.

IRONSIDE 2

09-11-2009, 10:37 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFpmLwS2FEE

I will send you the transcript....note Mccann states, it was quiet every night....we know this is not true because of Mrs Fenns statement .2 nd point'Note...Mccann talks of the night before maddie disappeared..this is also not true because this would be the 2nd May a Wednesday....Mrs Fenn stated the 1st May, Tuesday..another lie..

Also most important of all Mccann states that maddie CAME TO....not woke up but ...came to...in England this is a medical term used by a doctor for a patient recovering from sedation.

Will send you transcript...it is in two or three parts , so be patient.

IRONSIDE 2

09-11-2009, 10:41 AM

Transcipt of U tube video...

Kate.

I cannot love madeleine more than I love her, you know, I would never...have taken a risk it was something that was'nt...it wasn't even a decision, thats how safe it felt, you know.

Mccann

What information did we have to suggest it was'nt going to be safe? we were dining ( 15 or 50 ) yards away, we were making regular checks, we were going into the apartment, all was quiet everynight..and if we had thought it was unsafe for a minute, if there was any concious element that somebody was going to go into that apartment and steal your child, then of course we would'nt have done that.

QUESTION

But it was'nt just a matter of being unsafe was it? . I mean was it, is it the case ,you can clear it up right here and now. Was Madeleine upset the night before about being left alone, had she had a moment and got out of bed and started crying and started looking for you?

IRONSIDE 2

09-11-2009, 10:45 AM

Transcript. cont.

Kate

I mean I don't want to dwell on it too much . i don't know if you saw the documentary last night but I mean I have thought about it, madeleine made a comment umm in passing that umm where were you when I cried, not just to mummy by the way just generally (very shaky voice) umm it just seemed a bit odd, I mean it was very kind of passing remark and we just thought she does'nt usually wake up and she woke up that means that...you know, she must have fallen back asleep very quickly umm and then she moved on and then she moved on.

Mccann

Anybody with young children will understand that children cry, they wake up at night . during that week there was one night err and we can't give too much detail because its part of the investigation but there was one night when madeleine had come to...and one of the twins was crying. So, you know and when she did mention to, it to us and we asked her about it and she just talked and she was completely fine and we thought was it when we were bathing, getting them you know first putting them down and that came when they were really tired. Of course with hindsight in the context of whats happened of madeleine been abducted its put in a very different light and its put in a very different light to us and of course we emphasize that.

Kate (In screachy voice)

If madeleine had not been abducted...if madeleine had not been abducted..we would never have thought of that comment again...

End of interview

IRONSIDE 2

09-11-2009, 11:58 AM

I think it is becoming very clear that a deal was made between England and Portugal regarding the Mccanns...Why is the question we all are asking what is being covered up that the justice for an innocent child goes unheard...

xxxxx

Response from Goncalo Amaral

Transcipt:

Sandra Felgueiras (voice over) – The judge’s decision on a request for an injunction of secret character that had been filed by the McCanns arrived this morning. Starting at the moment when Gonçalo Amaral’s editor is notified, the sale of any books and videos that are still in stores will be forbidden. The editor has not been informed about this decision yet, but from what can be read, it is impeded from performing any new editions, and Gonçalo Amaral is strictly forbidden from making any comments that correspond with the parts of the book that defend the thesis that Madeleine died.

Gonçalo Amaral – What makes this worse is that they are trying to shut us up, but they won’t shut us up, that is for sure, and the book will be published in English, even more so because the conclusions that are in the book are in the process.

SF (voice over) – What is certain is that if Gonçalo Amaral and the editor do not obey the order, the court can condemn them to pay a fine of 1000 euro per day.

GA – It’s a very dangerous decision. It’s a decision that places the freedom of expression at stake. Let’s see what the political parties will say. They will certainly have to say something.

SF (voice over) – In Rothley, Kate and Gerry McCann rejoiced over the decision, even more so because it paves the way for a satisfactory outcome in the other civil action that they have filed in June against the former inspector, who was removed from the case and later abandoned the Polícia Judiciária. Over alleged moral damages, they demand compensation in the amount of one million and two thousand euro.

GA – What they want is to make money in order to pay for their house in Rothley, which is what they have been doing.

SF (voice over) – Gerry and Kate have not heard Gonçalo Amaral yet, but from England they assert that the most serious part is that the former inspector’s book damaged the search for Madeleine.

Influenced by this piece of news or not, the truth is that ‘The Truth about the Lie’ sold out in many Lisbon bookshops, this afternoon. This is almost a unique copy of a non-fiction book that became the most sold book during the entire year of 2008. 175 000 copies have been sold, and that is not counting with the editions that were translated for Spain, France, Italy, Denmark, the Netherlands and Germany. The adaptation of this book into a television documentary was watched by 2 209 000 people and became the single most watched television programme in Portugal, apart from football matches.

But is it the truth or a lie? This thesis from Gonçalo Amaral about the Madeleine McCann case has never been proved, and now, until an order to the contrary, it will have to be silenced

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n/t

09-11-2009, 12:29 PM

Excellent! Thank you Ironside. I'll be busy reading for awhile!

IRONSIDE 2

09-11-2009, 12:47 PM

You are most welcome N/T..I wait for your thoughts...In the New Year maybe :thumbsup::thumbsup:

n/t

09-11-2009, 01:52 PM

Nothing came of the Victora lead as nothing came of the Hewlett lead they are all scams. The lady of the night who approached a banker who as far as we know never existed asked him at 2 am in the morning "Have you got my daughter" anyone from the drug squad would know that daughter is slang for Quarter..she was looking to score....Rhonda Wyllie the socialite who owns the yacht is known to Murdoch,,,odd then that he would let Rhonda become a suspect in the Mccann case. Rhonda Wyllie is now known on the net more for being a suspect in this case than her charity and cancer research....:scared::scared::scared:

Let's not forget all the false sightings.....this one is the latest. Are we to assume Hewlett and the others are clear? They were so sure Hewlett was the guy.

Family's shock after 'Maddie' claim

http://www.thisissouthdevon.co.uk/news/Family-s-shock-Maddie-claim/article-1312840-detail/article.html

IRONSIDE 2

09-11-2009, 02:20 PM

IRONSIDE 2

09-11-2009, 02:25 PM

http://store.findmadeleine.com/

Maddies shopping line...notice the mistake....T Shirts and Vests with maddie aged 3 years old...the Mccanns are too mean to carry the farce by changing them to the aged maddie..

The Mccanns are now the directors of the fund and spend the money as they see fit..By the way the villa they stayed in with swimming pool in PDL also came from the fund.

IRONSIDE 2

09-11-2009, 02:29 PM

http://store.findmadeleine.com/acatalog/Mobile_Phone.html

Very tacky don't you think...:crying::crying::crying::

n/t

09-11-2009, 02:40 PM

Let me explain N/T...Dave Edgar who is the latest PI...who is an ex cop from Ireland...has just about as much right to question anyone as I have...which is none...

Edgar claimed they had 7 suspects they wished to interview who were "persons of interest"...Hewlett was reported to be dying from cancer...after dragging him' his wife and family through the mud naming her and the children, who are tiny tots...While it is true he is a known paedophile and we must not ignore this fact, nor treat it lightly. He had nothing to do with madeleine mccann. I must confess at one point we all thought they were hoping he would die and that would leave them without a deathbed confession, thereby putting the Poor Mccanns in the clear...this did not happen so they moved on to what Edgar said was their second person of interest a man in prison whom they could not name, this man Edgar and Mitchel claimed was a suspect in the Yeremi Vargis abduction..This was news to the Spanish Police, therefore he too was quickly dropped...We have yet to hear about the other 5 persons of interest....On the Monday it was announced (sorry cannot remember the date) that the Mccanns had cost the British Police X number of pounds...The following weekend to make us forget this rather large amount of money we had the "Victoria sighting"..which again led to nothing. They never do N/T its all a scam . Although I have to say who ever is protecting the Mccanns are very powerful.

Ohhh...I know, ironside. I was one of the very first posters following Madeleine's case and not sure if the archives are still available on this board. I totally agree with you. Someone very powerful is protecting them. I always thought it was someone from the government. Remember that little visit Brown made to Portugal? How convenient that he made time to discuss Madeleine's case with the Portuguese PM. How many missing kids in the UK get this kind of recognition? How many other cases have the British police spent nearly £750,000?

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm :sneaky:

I want nothing more than justice for Madeleine!!! I hope one day I will.

kayemm

09-11-2009, 02:45 PM

A book claiming Madeleine McCann was dead, which has now been banned, caused "incredible distress" to her family, her father has said.

Madeleine McCann as she looked when she disappeared

The banned book claims that there is evidence Madeleine is dead

A judge ordered an end to the sale of the book by a former investigating police officer in the case, Goncalo Amaral.

Gerry McCann said he was "pleased" with the judge's decision and insisted there was no evidence that his daughter had died.

In a statement, he said: "To claim, as he (Amaral) did, that Madeleine is dead and that we, as her parents, were somehow involved in her disappearance has caused our family incredible distress and continues to do so.

"Without doubt, Madeleine will have suffered as a result of the negative effect this effect this book and DVD will have had on the search for her."

The statement also said: "Mr Amaral's central thesis has no evidence whatsoever to support it."

Mr McCann added that Madeleine's brother and sister, twins Sean and Amelie, needed protection from "such awful claims".

Goncalo Amaral

Goncalo Amaral

He said: "I think there's a lot of people in Portugal, and further afield, who believe there is evidence that Madeleine is dead and if people believe that they won't search for her.

"And they may have information and they may not come forward with that information, and we know for a fact that people have been told that - that Madeleine is dead.

"There is no evidence to support that, and that is unforgiveable."

A judge at Lisbon's main civil court banned any further publication and sale of The Truth Of The Lie by Goncalo Amaral.

He claimed the girl was dead and said he did not believe her parents' account that Madeleine was taken while they were eating with friends nearby.

Mr Amaral worked on the investigation into the three-year-old's disappearance from an apartment in Praia da Luz in May 2007 during a family holiday.

He was removed from the investigation after criticising British police.

The injunction, granted following a hearing last week, means he has to ensure all unsold copies of the book are removed from shops and warehouses across Europe.

If he fails to do so he faces a fine of £877 a day.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wor...=searchresults

This was the book written by the detective who was removed from the case 5 months in after a series of problems, he has been shooting his mouth off, making a small fortune for himself in between court cases, currently he is appealing his conviction for maintaining false records in the case of another missing child, never found. Anyway he wrote a book and made a documentary that appeared to be based more on fantasy than fact and a judge has finally stopped him.

Best of luck to the McCanns in their continued search for their daughter.

n/t

09-11-2009, 02:48 PM

Well well well....nice to see you again kayemm. It's been a long time!! :smile:

IRONSIDE 2

09-11-2009, 03:03 PM

The latest from Portugal.

The editor that publishes the book ‘Maddie: The Truth about the Lie’, Guerra & Paz, has informed that it is going to contest the judicial prohibition that involves Gonçalo Amaral’s book, after having received the notification this Friday.

The action that was filed against the book includes the prohibition of selling the book’s edition rights for foreign publications, as well as the impossibility to cite, analyse, give an opinion or interviews about the thesis that is defended by Gonçalo Amaral.

Guerra & Paz defends that these restrictions are “an attempt against the freedom of expression and the freedom of contract, hurting the most elementary rights that are consecrated by the Portuguese Constitution”.

In the same press release, the editor names the decision as “unjustified and disputable”, taking into account the international application of the decision.

“It is only out of respect to the institutions and due to our will to contribute to their prestige, that we obey this arbitrary position that we will contest in the Portuguese courts and, if necessary, at super-national instances”.

source: Correio da Manhã, 11.09.2009

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IRONSIDE 2

09-11-2009, 03:10 PM

While I enjoy a good debate it has to be with someone who knows the facts...1st have you read the book and seen the documentary. 2nd Do you know the facts regarding the Capriano case...3rd the Mccanns themselves have admitted that they think madeleine is dead they just forget what they say, a touch of selective amnesia I believe they call it.,
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Madeleine is probably dead, admit parents
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Madeleine McCann’s parents accept she is now probably dead, their spokesman admitted for the first time.

But he said that while Kate and Gerry McCann knew there was a “probability” she was dead they had not given up all hope.

Family spokesman Clarence Mitchell also dismissed reports that a computer used by Mr McCann had been seized by Portuguese police, saying officers would find nothing of interest on it.

Mr Mitchell told reporters: “Kate and Gerry are realistic enough to know that there is a probability she is dead.

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n/t

09-11-2009, 03:21 PM

Didn't Gerry post something later on the site denying that's what he and Kate said embarrassing Mitchell? :wink:

IRONSIDE 2

09-11-2009, 03:25 PM

http://www.fotdmike.me.uk/writings/madeleine1.html

Some good points from Mike who is undecided...

IRONSIDE 2

09-11-2009, 03:27 PM

N/T, you know I believe you are right let me go and check...will be back with the proof:thumbup::thumbup:

IRONSIDE 2

09-11-2009, 03:33 PM

Here we are...though N/T it does make me see red when they tried to insist that Hewlett was the paedophile that took her...then say there is no evidence that madeleine has come to serious harm...
Thanks for the reminder....

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Gerry McCann, August 8, 2007 - Algarve, Portugal - Algarve, Portugal © Solarpix / PR Photos

(M&C) - The spokesman for the parents of missing girl Madeleine McCann said Kate and Gerry McCann have admitted for the first time the probability that their daughter may be dead.

However later reports said that father Gerry, writing in his online blog, has clarified the spokesman's quote.

The four-year-old disappeared from the family holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, southern Portugal on May 3 when the parents were out dining with friends. Both Kate and Gerry McCann have been named as suspects by Portuguese police in the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance though charges have yet to to be laid.

The couple have previously held on to the hope their daughter was alive however now are being "realistic" said the family spokesman Clarence Mitchell.

"Gerry and Kate are realistic enough to know there's a probability she is dead," he said and added, "They need to know what has happened. This uncertainty cannot hang over them for the rest of their lives."

However later reports said that father
Gerry, writing in his online blog, has clarified the spokesman's quote saying, "Contrary to some other reports Kate and I do NOT accept that Madeleine is ‘probably’ dead. We know it is a possibility, however the fact there is no evidence Madeleine has been seriously harmed gives us ongoing hope that she will be found alive."

The McCanns are continuing a high-profile campaign to keep the search for Madeleine in the public eye with adverts appearing in European newspapers this weekend

IRONSIDE 2

09-11-2009, 03:59 PM

Another case where the parents invented an abduction...

11 September 2009
Marina, aged 8, found dead after false abduction alert

AFP -- 11.09.2009 | 15:12

The body of a 8 years old girl, who died a month ago but whose parents had invented a scenario of abduction, was found on Friday by the French gendarmerie at Le Mans after 24 hours of research, according to a judicial source.

The father confessed in police custody having invented the story of abduction, said the prosecutor Joelle Rieutort.

"He confessed after the police pointed contradictions" and "fairly quickly said the abduction was a fake" she said to reporters.

Both parents were placed in custody.

The body of the little girl was found after her father's confession in a container in a warehouse belonging to the company where he works.

In custody, he ensured that the girl died in the first days of August of "natural death", he said his body had been kept in a freezer at the couple's previous home, says Ms. Rieutort.

"The autopsy will be conducted as soon as possible. There are no apparent signs of violence," she said.

The father alerted police Wednesday on the alleged disappearance of the girl. He claimed that he briefly left the child alone, asleep in his car on a fast food restaurant parking, just the time to pick up food with his 10 years old son.

Nearly 150 policemen were mobilized on Thursday and have been looking for the little girl.

source: 24heures/AFP, 11.09.2009
more info in Le Post, L'Express

Many thanks to ACG for the translated article.

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IRONSIDE 2

09-12-2009, 05:08 AM

Facts from the DVD Process

- According to a preliminary, not final report, made by the Forensic Science Service (FSS) of Birmingham, England, this cellular material belongs to MADELEINE.

- Besides the cadaver scent dog strongly alerted to the room where the McCann couple used to sleep.

- There was also a new strong cadaver scent alert given on KATE's clothes.

- There was also a strong cadaver scent alert in the car used by the couple (since May 27th, 2007), along with the human blood detecting dog's alert to the luggage compartment of that vehicle.

- The before mentioned FSS's Interim Report indicated that there are, resulting from the examinations made to the luggage compartment, biological components that may be compatible with the ones of the minor ; however, this test does not definitely show that the traces originated in MADELEINE's body.

- The cadaver scent dog, as well as the human blood detecting dog, also gave Alert to the key of the before mentioned vehicle. The Laboratory also confirmed the existence of GERALD McCANN's DNA in the key. Furthermore, this last Alert was given by the dog's when the key was placed away from the vehicle and in a place out of sight.

1. Apartment 5 A, Ocean Club resort, the place from where the little girl disappeared:

cadaver scent dog:
*in the couple’s bedroom, in a corner, next to the wardrobe
*in the living-room, behind the sofa, next to the apartment’s side window;

human blood detecting dog:
*in the living-room, behind the sofa, next to the apartment’s side window (exactly in the same place the dead body scent dog gave the alert);

2. Yard area close to apartment 5 A:
cadaver scent dog:
*in one of the flower beds – the trainer commented on the swiftness of the detected scent;

3. Apartment where the other GROUP members were lodged:
*NOTHING was detected by any of the dogs;

4. Current house of the MCCANN couple (at the time the inspection was carried out):
*NOTHING was found in the house by any of the dogs;

5. In the village of Luz:
*NOTHING was detected by any of the dogs;

6. In the clothes and belongings of the MCCANN family;
cadaver scent dog:
*in two pieces of cloth of KATE HEALY
*in one piece of cloth of the minor MADELEINE
*Possibly, in the cuddly toy of MADELEINE (the cadaver scent was detected while the cuddly toy was still inside the house where the family stayed at that time).
*the alert was confirmed outside the house;

7. In the vehicle used by the MCCANN family;
cadaver scent dog:
*alerted to the car key;

human blood detecting dog;
*alerted to the car key;
*alerted to the inside of the car’s luggage compartment;

8. In the vehicle used by a friend of the family, who was lodged in the same resort for some days at the same time:
*NOTHING was detected by any of the dogs:

9. In all vehicles used by the arguido [formal suspect] ROBERT MURAT and by persons close to him:
*NOTHING was found by any of the dogs.

(In a total of ten vehicles, the dead body scent dog and the blood scent dog only alerted to the vehicle of the MCCANN family, rented on May 27)(...)

• Forensic examinations are being carried out to the places and objects marked by the human blood scent dog and to which this dog gave alert.

• Based on the performance of the dog team, revealing the possibility of the presence of a body in the apartment and in the vehicle used by the MCCANN family, and in order to give GERALD MCCANN and KATE HEALY the chance to have their position in the proceedings safeguarded, they were named arguidos [formal suspects], merely due to the possibility of their involvements with a possible cadaver.

-The information gathered at the beginning with the family and friends – a GROUP made up of a total of nine adult persons – reveals some disparities and shows that it is necessary to determine with certainty the precise way these facts have occurred.

-According to the parents and to the other members of the GROUP’s account, they went to have dinner, all of them leaving their children, sleeping, in their own apartments.

-We are aware that, “a posteriori”, they got together in a meeting where they remembered the rules referring to the continuous supervision of the children while they were having dinner.(....)

IRONSIDE 2

09-12-2009, 05:08 AM

Following the analysis made to the information obtained from the statements, one of the members of the GROUP, JANE TANNER, became very important due to the information she gave: she saw someone, at dinner time, around 09.15 p.m., crossing the street that provides access to the main entrance of the apartment towards ROBERT MURAT's house, carrying a child.(...)

- We can also perceive hte lack of a consistent version about the alleged sighting of the man carrying the child in what concerns GERALD MCCANN and JANE TANNER's statements, as well as in what concerns JEREMY WILKIN's witness statement, who was in that place, at the mentioned date and time.

- Even the place where, allegedly, they would have passed by each other is not very well explained by none of them.

- Since there was an Alert given by the two dogs (dead body scent/blood), behind the sofa of the living room, it was possible to consider that MADELEINE McCANN's dead body may have been in that place, which originated the gathering of material to be subject to biological examination.(...)

Internal Report

Processos Vol X

Pages 2533 - 2534, Service Information, Date: 2007/09/03

Subject: Disappearance of Madeleine McCann

During the course of the ongoing investigation, various personal contacts were made by the undersigned with Kate and Gerald McCann, within my task of serving as communication element between the police and the McCann couple.

Within this context, the undersigned was present during various “strange“ behaviours by the couple, who gradually began to react in a very negative manner to the increased investigative activity carried out by this police force, especially during the use of the English sniffer dogs for detecting cadaver odour, when more evidence arose in the investigation for the hypothesis of the death of Madeleine McCann.

Several times, the McCann couple said that the attention of the police should be maintained focussing on the abduction hypothesis, which, in the couple’s opinion, was the only scenario that occurred and that the police should not forget to continue to investigate the suspect Robert Murat.

Strangely, Kate also made several requests, three months after the disappearance of Madeleine, that the police should take blood, hair and nail tests of Madeleine’s twin siblings, because, as she said, she remembered that on the day of Madeleine’s disappearance, in spite of all the commotion and noise made by the authorities and other persons who were looking for Madeleine in apartment 5ª of the OC, the twins never woke up, having been transported to another apartment, they remained asleep, due to which she now presumes that they were under the effect of some sedative drug that a presumed abductor had administered to the three children in order to be able to abduct Madeleine, a situation which Kate refers to being possible according to what she read in a criminal investigation manual given to her by the British authorities, that would have been the procedure of the abductor in the real case involving abduction, rape and murder of the girl.

Today, when the undersigned went to the McCann’s temporary residence to notify them of the need to present themselves at the police station to make statements, being able to take their lawyer with them, Kate McCann immediately reacted in a negative manner, making comments such as “what are my parents going to think” and “what is the press going to say when they find out” and that “the Portuguese police is under pressure from the government to finish the investigation quickly”.

With regard to Gerald McCann, he constantly insisted in giving the undersigned letters and emails that he was receiving, mostly from psychics and mediums, whom he had selected and which mainly contained information without much credibility about the possible whereabouts of Madeleine and her presumed abductor.

More recently, and even before Kate’s interrogation, during a telephone call between Gerald McCann and the undersigned, he made a reference regarding the investigation, that he was certain that the police did not have any proof that could incriminate them with regard to the death of Madeleine McCann and he said that the police were wasting their time in directing the investigation around the parents.

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IRONSIDE 2

09-12-2009, 05:13 AM

Incongruence 1

Q – Former inspector Gonçalo Amaral remains convinced of your involvement in Madeleine's disappearance. Did you read 'The Truth of the Lie', the book that he wrote?

Kate and Gerry – No.

Kate – Why would I?

Gerry – I won't learn anything from reading it.

Q – Aren't you curious to know what the book says?

Kate – What for? It must be nothing but a load of rubbish. It is so secondary… It certainly won't help to find our daughter. My consolation is that on the cover he calls her Maddie, the name that the media have invented. We never called her anything like that.

Q – But you do know the theory that Gonçalo Amaral defends: Madeleine accidentally died in the Ocean Club apartment and you concealed the body.

Gerry – It really is a waste of time. And we need all the time that we can get to analyse the investigation's documents, which contain a lot of information that we didn't know about.

Kate – You just have to cross, loosely, his theory with the process in order to understand that the facts that he reports are not correct.

in Expresso Interview

Incongruence 2

Maddie is probably dead, McCanns say

A spokesman for the parents of missing British toddler Madeleine McCann say they have finally accepted that she is probably dead.

It is the first time they have publicly expressed their fear.

The family spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, told reporters that Kate and Gerry McCann are realistic enough to know the likely fate of their daughter.(....)

in ABC

Incongruence 3

A former South African detective with a record of finding missing children was called in by Kate and Gerry McCann. in London Evening Standard

"I am almost 90% sure Madeleine is dead. There is always the slight possibility that she could be held hostage in one of the houses in the area on my map, but I feel this is very unlikely. If her body had been moved, my equipment would tell me she is no longer there." (...)

Krugel has been in regular contact with Madeleine's parents, who have thanked him for his help. But his appeal for them to turn their attentions to the site to help find her body has not been answered

Last year, Krugel claimed to have uncovered a "forensic route" from the McCanns' holiday apartment at the Oceans Club Resort, along paths and roads to a nearby beach. (...)

The sooner we find Madeleine's body, the sooner the police can find out who murdered her," he said.

in The Star.co.za

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The Mccanns say they never called madeleine maddy....This is also a lie...Mccann on Friends United advertised for a nanny....for Maddy and the twins....will post the direct quote when I find it...

IRONSIDE 2

09-12-2009, 07:38 AM

Love him or hate him this man has cojones....

by Gonçalo Amaral

In the book ‘The truth about the lie’ I spoke about the manner in which an investigation can be manipulated and deviated from its main goal: the discovery of truth and the performance of justice. In that case, it would be easy: just replace the coordinating policeman.

Nevertheless, just like the ‘Golden Whistle’ investigation, nobody cared about the danger for the independence of a criminal investigation. With the ‘Freeport’ case, things were more delicate, the people who needed to be replaced were not mere civil servants, policemen, anymore, but rather illustrious Public Ministry Prosecutors. That was when nearly ‘all hell broke loose’ (it’s still threatening to) and leading personalities in this country alerted to the danger.

Today, I was notified about a judicial decision that will forbid me from expressing my opinion about the ‘Maddie’ case investigation, in which I was a policeman, in written or oral form. I will be forbidden from exercising my freedom of expression, yet being a mere citizen and a common former policeman, we will have to wait for the ‘Casa Pia’, the ‘Golden Whistle’ and the ‘Freeport’ cases for ‘all hell to break loose’ for good. But the times when people couldn’t speak up is long gone and there cannot be class differences as far as rights, freedoms and guarantees are concerned. And I’m not shutting up.

source: Correio da Manhã, 12.09.2009

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IRONSIDE 2

09-12-2009, 09:49 AM

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/272454

Take a look at this photo, more than a passing resemblance to the "Victoria" in Barcelona...

IRONSIDE 2

09-12-2009, 10:01 AM

“We want a big event to raise awareness that she is still missing (...) It wouldn’t be a one-year anniversary, it will be sooner than that

Gerry Mccann 3rd June 2007....:thumbdown::thumbdown:

n/t

09-12-2009, 10:01 AM

JD1974

09-12-2009, 11:02 AM

This is the first time I watched the cadavar dog, Eddie hit on the decomp scent in the apartment, car and cuddle cat. :sad:

There is no doubt in my mind, Madeleine died in that apartment. I always suspected it but watching Eddie clinched it for me. :crying:

Madeleine you deserve justice and the persons responsible will pay for what they did to you. :rose:

Glad to see you N/T!!

I can't even post about this case much after reading the dvd's...imo there are some sick people out there who would do anything to make a buck. If you remember my posts you will remember who I am talking about and it isn't anyone from the PJ.

n/t

09-12-2009, 11:38 AM

Glad to see you N/T!!

I can't even post about this case much after reading the dvd's...imo there are some sick people out there who would do anything to make a buck. If you remember my posts you will remember who I am talking about and it isn't anyone from the PJ.

Good to see you too!!

I haven't had time to go through everything. I did read some of it and like Ironside said, it will probably take me until the New Year lol. I did join the blog and I look forward to posting over there. They did a tremendous amount of work. Kudos to them!

One thing that keeps bothering me is why they're being protected? From what I understand, the McCanns and their Tapas friends were nobodies. Doctors but so what?

I hope eventually someone will get to the bottom of this. When Clarence Mitchell was hired, I think many of us knew politics played a big role in this. The question, however still remains. WHY?

IRONSIDE 2

09-12-2009, 03:51 PM

Break down of the Fund...Taken from Tonys Ramblings..Thanks Tony..

For a couple of quid you can download them from Companies House.

The full title is- Madeleine's Fund: Leaving No Stone Unturned Limited.

Company Number: 06248215

The accounts were ruled off at the end of March last year. Then the fund had a surplus of just over 1 million pounds-£1,052,027.00 to be exact. It's not clear from the accounts, but I suspect that figure might well include the damages paid by the Express Group to the McCanns as the result of their libel settlement. The total fund income from the date it was established was £1,846,178.00. In other words in the first year the directors have authorised nearly a million pound of expenditure. That includes the fruitless payment to Metodo 3, the Spanish private investigators, who made absolutely no progress.

Page 2 of the accounts, The Director's Report , dated 11th November 2008, and signed by John J McCann, contained this

" As expected, the level of donations [to the fund] has fallen over time, although we have a number of loyal donors continuing their support. Income in the new financial year is currently significantly lower than at the same time last year. However our expenses are ongoing are likely to increase."

And this report suggests that the financial situation is now perhaps more difficult than in November 2008.

The next accounts will be filed in about ten months time.

It will be interesting to see just how challenging the financial situation will be then. I suspect that unlike between March 2007 and 2008, they will not contain these items.

Campaign Management £123, 573.00

Awareness £81,504.00

Legal Fees and Expenses £111,522.00

Search Fees £250,000.00

Fund Legal Fees £68,799.00

Fund Professional Fees £36,070.00

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Not much spent on searching for madeleine.....This does not include the 750.000 spent by british police for setting up rooms to take calls on all sightings for madeleine.:ohmy::ohmy:

IRONSIDE 2

09-13-2009, 05:24 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80KnSHUN1DU

This is a letter that Mrs.Amaral wrote to Kate Mccann many months ago after she claimed the police did not search for madeleine. This letter was never printed by the British Press. Today however, it has been used to show "the venom" of Amarals wife as she is now accused of sending "poor Kate" a poison pen letter.

IRONSIDE 2

09-13-2009, 07:17 AM

More from the DVD files....

This is process 201/07.0GALGS.

A collection of files from this process has been made public. They tell the official history of an investigation: the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine Beth McCann.

Madeleine was discovered missing at around 10 p.m. on the 3rd of May 2007, in Praia da Luz, Algarve, Portugal. The investigation that followed her disappearance went through several different phases, but what is most perceptive, to anyone who has had the opportunity to study the process files, is a profound split that occurred on the day that her parents, Drs Kate and Gerry McCann, were made arguidos under the terms of Portuguese law.

A book has been prohibited in Portugal this week. It has allegedly been censored because its author caused Madeleine, her parents and her siblings, deep distress, apart from damaging the search for the missing child. What apparently lies at the root of this distress and these damages, is the fact that the author states, in no uncertain terms, the following conclusions that he and an entire team of investigators at the Polícia Judiciária reached, after five months of intense investigation:

“1. The minor, Madeleine McCann, died inside apartment 5A of the Ocean Club, in Vila da Luz, on the evening/night of the 3rd of May, 2007;

2. An abduction was simulated;

3. Kate Healy and Gerald McCann are suspected of being involved in the concealment of their daughter’s cadaver;

4. Death may have resulted from a tragic accident;

5. There are indications of neglect in the guard and safety of their children.”

(in: Maddie – The Truth about the Lie, page 214)

The McCanns are distressed by these conclusions; it is only natural that they are, and nobody can dispute their right to feel that these are deeply unnerving conclusions, that would send any parent into a state of grave depression.

Nobody can dispute their right to oppose this kind of statement, either. And it would be irresponsible not to respect the decision of an illustrious judge at the Civil Court of Lisbon, who issued an injunction to prevent further publication and sales of the book, in Portugal, as well as the sale of the book’s editing rights anywhere in the world, among other restrictions.

One may not agree with the secretive manner in which the process was dealt with, or with the decision that was reached, but there are mechanisms at the disposal of the entities that suffered this injunction, and it is only up to them to make use of said mechanisms in an attempt to reverse the judge’s ruling.

But there is something else.

There is a process sitting in the archives of the Public Ministry at the court building, in Portimão.

A process that states, in no uncertain terms as well, that a homicide may have put an end to Madeleine’s existence, and that the likelihood of said homicide is high:

“Concerning the other indicated crimes [abduction, homicide, concealment of a cadaver], they are only that, and although the occurrence of a homicide cannot be discarded, due to its high degree of probability, it has to remain a supposition due to a lack of sustaining elements in the files.”

(in: Process 201/07.0GALGS, volume XVII, page 4644)

The same process considers the possibility that Kate and Gerry McCann may have been involved in their daughter’s death (“Even though, by hypothesis, one might admit that Gerald and Kate McCann might be responsible for the child’s death (…)”), and it states that several witnesses have most probably lied in their statements, breaking the Portuguese Penal Process Code, under article 132, 1-d:

“Nevertheless, the process files also show that this vigilance [checks on the children], with the periodicity that is mentioned above, was not the one that is alleged in the files, and it remains unexplained why, that night, the checking procedure was altered in the sense of shortening the visit intervals.”

(in: Process 201/07.0GALGS, volume XVII, page 4641)

“From the statements of the entire group [the McCann couple and their friends] results a complete incoherence, at the face of which it is easily verified that all of them lie.”

(in: Process 201/07.0GALGS, volume XVII, page 2589)

But there are other statements inside this process that any sane person would consider even more distressing, especially when one takes into account what Madeleine’s parents have said, over and over again, live on tape. Here are two examples:

“Despite everything, until a certain moment in the investigation, the [McCann] family sustained and fed the abduction thesis. Nevertheless, at an uncertain date, the family suggested to consult a person that might, eventually, indicate the probable location of little Madeleine’s cadaver. This fact became inexplicable to the members of the investigation, given the fact that it was the family members themselves who raised the possibility of little Maddie’s death.”

(in: Process 201/07.0GALGS, volume XVII, page 2594)

“More recently, before Kate McCann’s questioning [on the 6th/7th of September, 2007], in a telephone contact between Gerald McCann and the signatory [inspector Ricardo Paiva], he [Gerald McCann] mentioned, concerning the investigation, that he was certain that the Police didn’t have any evidence that might incriminate them in the death of Madeleine McCann and said that the police was wasting time by directing the investigation towards the parents.”

(in: Process 201/07.0GALGS, volume XVII, page 2534)

It doesn’t really get any more explicit than this:

IRONSIDE 2

09-13-2009, 07:18 AM

“From all that has been exposed, it results from the file that:

a) Minor Madeleine McCann died in apartment 5A of the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz, on the evening/night of the 3rd of May 2007;

b) an abduction was simulated;

c) in order to render the child’s death before 10 p.m. impossible, a situation of checking on the McCann couple’s children, while they slept, was made up;

d) Kate McCann and Gerald McCann are involved in the concealment of the cadaver of their daughter, Madeleine McCann;

e) at this moment in time, there seem to be no strong indications yet that the child’s death was not the result of a tragic accident;

f) from all that has been established up to this moment, everything indicates that the McCann couple, in auto defence, does not want to hand over the cadaver immediately and voluntarily, and that there is a strong possibility that it was moved from its initial location. This situation may raise questions concerning the circumstances under which the child’s death occurred.”

(in: Process 201/07.0GALGS, volume XVII, page 2601)

These are the conclusions that were reached by the team of investigators at the Polícia Judiciária, according to an intercalary report by Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida, on the 10th of September 2007.

It seems to me that there should have been another request for an injunction, with immediate effect. These conclusions have been distributed by the Public Ministry, on a DVD, and largely published in the Portuguese press, and discussed and commented upon by countless people. Anyone can still request a copy of the process, which contains these highly distressing allegations, at the Public Ministry’s services in Portimão.

I am certain that everyone will agree that they are at least as unnerving and depressing as those that were published by Gonçalo Amaral in his book.

But unfortunately, they cannot be dismissed as the deluded, offensive ramblings of a disgraced, disgruntled cop. They are part of the dossier, and they are not denied anywhere in the process.

Therefore, and until an injunction is issued against Process 201/07.0GALGS, prohibiting anyone from reproducing, commenting upon or discussing these conclusions, we will continue to speak freely about the Portuguese police’s suspicions concerning the Madeleine McCann investigation.

And we may as well start mentioning a homicide, as a likely hypothesis.

It’s in the files.

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zinnia

09-13-2009, 11:04 AM

IRONSIDE 2

09-13-2009, 01:46 PM

Here we go again...Maddie is in a secret lair....

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Madeleine McCann 'is in a secret lair'

Ulster detective leading the hunt on why he thinks she’s being held captive just like Jaycee Dugard

By Aaron Tinney
Sunday, 13 September 2009

Former detective inspector Dave Edgar, hired by the McCann family to lead the investigation into the hunt for Madeleine McCann.

The Ulster detective leading the search for Madeleine McCann today reveals his most chilling theories yet, exclusively to Sunday Life. Hardened ex-RUC cop Dave Edgar told us he is convinced that little Maddie is imprisoned in a hellish lair – just like kidnapped sex slave Jaycee Lee Dugard.

He insisted the “back from the dead” reappearance of Jaycee – and the cases of Austrian cellar girls Elisabeth Fritzl and Natascha Kampusch – confirmed his suspicion.

And despite fresh leads taking his probe to Australia and Barcelona, the east Belfast man insists the golden-haired youngster is being held just 10 miles from where she was snatched in Praia da Luz two years ago.

But he warned that the sprawling wilderness where he believes Maddie is languishing is almost impossible to search completely.

Belfast-born Dave revealed the grim theories when he opened his case files to us.

We spent the day at the Cheshire office he uses to conduct the world’s biggest missing person case.

Sunday Life can now lift the lid on how his Alpha Investigations Group private eye agency really operates and what it is like to search for the world’s most famous missing youngster, who disappeared two years, four months and 10 days ago.

When we visited Dave’s headquarters, US kidnap victim Jaycee Lee Dugard had still not been rescued and the world had long forgotten her name.

But even then Dave said he was convinced Maddie was entombed by an abductor in a cellar or dungeon, like Austrian cellar victims Natascha Kampusch and Elisabeth Fritzl.

“Maddie is most likely being held captive, possibly in an underground cellar, just like Natascha or Elisabeth, and could emerge at any time,” he told us.

Days later, news broke that tormented Jaycee had been freed from the foul compound where she was abused for 18 years by monster Phillip Garrido. Dave simply said: “This just supports my theory that Maddie is alive and imprisoned.”

There was further backing for his theory when American boy Ricky Chekevdia was found hiding with his mother in a tiny “secret room” two years after he was kidnapped while caught in a custody battle.

Former detective inspector Dave, who grew up on Belfast’s Woodstock Road, was drafted in by Kate and Gerry McCann last November after Spanish investigators failed to find new leads.

Renowned for leaving no stone unturned in his UK murder investigations, Dave now spends his days with a four-strong team probing every lead that comes in to his office.

His partner Arthur Cowley has more than 30 years’ policing experience in north-west England – and the pair are backed up by a translator and an ex-police administrator.

They have sifted through thousands of emails, answerphone messages and letters to get that one breakthrough lead.

Last month, the information took Dave’s probe to Australia and Barcelona to track a ‘Victoria Beckham lookalike’ suspect, who spoke with an Australian or New Zealand accent.

She was seen asking two British tourists at a marina in Barcelona if they were there to deliver her “new daughter” – three days after Maddie disappeared.

But he told us he is now back to focusing on his original theory.

He still feels Maddie was snatched by a man spotted by the McCanns’ friend Jane Tanner, one of the so-called ‘Tapas Seven’ who dined with them the night Maddie went missing.

Dave said: “Jane is a very reliable witness and there were other sightings of this man, who Jane saw carrying a little girl in a blanket, in the days leading up to the disappearance.”

He feels this is the lone prowler who has Maddie stashed in a cellar or dungeon in the lawless villages around Praia da Luz.

But Dave warned: “This rural, sprawling terrain makes it extremely difficult to search. You could quite easily keep a child there for years and no-one else would know.

“The person who has Maddie is most likely a paedophile or a person so desperate for a family they were willing to kidnap for it.

“I wouldn’t like to speculate on what is happening to her.”

Dave says the region where he feels Maddie is being held has attracted many strange characters, including convicted sex offenders.

“I don’t want to generalise or make gross exaggerations, but there are people there living on the edges of society,” Dave said.

He added there were as many

as nine child sex attacks in the area round Praia da Luz from 2005 to 2007 and the victims included British kids.

Some happened as close as 20 miles from Praia da Luz, and six of them were on girls between the ages of three and 10.

He is now investigating leads on six child sex offenders, 78 other rapists and sex attackers and 22 vagrants.

In a glimmer of hope, Dave said: “The key thing is no body has been found.

“When paedophiles kill, they often dump the body nearby, and this isn’t the case here.

“Even if Maddie had been dumped in the sea nearby the resort, the ocean often gives up his victims.

“Until I find evidence that she is dead, I will keep going.”

And his plans for the future?

“I don’t know. We could still be sitting here in 10 years.

“If Maddie is being held, she may be being brought up to speak a different language and not even remember her own name or where she was from.

“All we can do is try and keep public awareness high – and try and reach as much of that mountainous region outside the resort as we can.

Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/madeleine-mccann-is-in-a-secret-lair-14489787.html#ixzz0R0QInSWY

IRONSIDE 2

09-13-2009, 01:51 PM

Hi Zinnia, it just gets more and more unbelievable...This child needs justice and the Mccanns 'her parents are spitting on her memory. They should just shut up....

Have you seen the photos of the two of them on madeleines 4th birthday....laughing and joking..you would never believe they had just lost a child for whatever reason...I will send you a link, seeing is believing.

IRONSIDE 2

09-13-2009, 02:04 PM

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id213.html

Zinnia, you can see the man hours people have put into this case. Bloggers who have spent hours translating the DVD police files .Joana Morais who without her dedication we would have never known the whole story. We would have relied on the Mccanns spokesman Clarence Mitchel, thereby only knowing the Mccanns version. Not one british reporter has reported any of this in our newspapers . Why not? A good question, why did Ophra Winfrey not do her homework and ask the Mccanns some hard questions about maddies disappearance. I would love Nancy Grace to have a chance but the Mccanns would not go near her, she is too smart and would trip them up. We need an American Reporter who is not scared of the Mccann machine and report this....it is news and as the Mccanns are now delighted with the finding of Jaycee 'they are well connected. the Mccanns have no thought for Jaycee or what she went through, this is seen as another day and using Jaycee to keep "Our Maddie" alive.

IRONSIDE 2

09-13-2009, 02:15 PM

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/GERRY_KATE_MCCANN.htm

Scroll down to the photos 'Maddies 4th birthday....maddie had been missing a matter of days...these photos were also not in the British Press...

IRONSIDE 2

09-13-2009, 02:19 PM

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/

Pamalam , someone else who has put their heart and soul into finding the truth...

IRONSIDE 2

09-13-2009, 02:26 PM

Ever since Madeleine disappeared on May 3, police have been looking for a blue tennis bag that went missing around that time.

The bag - big enough to carry a small child - belonged to her father, Gerry McCann, who had been playing tennis at the complex that afternoon.

Gerry and Kate McCann have always denied any involvement in Madeleine's disappearance, though they remain arguidos, official suspects.

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This was an "Exclusive" shown xmas eve , year before last' by Crime Reporter Martin Brunt...Even though SKY are very Pro Mccann they insist that Mccann had a blue tennis bag and stood by that. Mccann denies he ever owned such a bag.

IRONSIDE 2

09-18-2009, 05:12 PM

The Mccanns it seems are trying to shut everyone up who doubts their story. A portuguese lawer explains...

18 September 2009
The prohibition to sell “The Truth about the Lie” and the freedom of expression and of opinion: Impressions

by Marta Madalena Botelho, lawyer

The book “The Truth about the Lie”, by Gonçalo Amaral, which focuses on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, that happened in May of 2007 in Praia da Luz, in the Algarve, is going to be removed from the market, following a decision from the Civil Court of Lisbon, which forbids its sale.

In “The Truth about the Lie”, Gonçalo Amaral subscribes the thesis that the parents were involved in the little English girl’s disappearance, a conclusion that is essentially anchored on the fact that the PJ’s dogs detected blood and cadaver odour inside the apartment where the child disappeared from, and inside the automobile that the McCanns hired after the disappearance.

Unsatisfied about the publication of the book in Portugal – and very likely, trying at any cost to prevent the book from being translated and published abroad, mainly in the United Kingdom – the McCanns, on their behalf and on behalf of their children (including Madeleine), have requested an injunction against Gonçalo Amaral and the editors Guerra e Paz, Editores, SA (for the book) and VC-Valentim de Carvalho Filmes, Audiovisuais (for the video that was meanwhile produced from the book), almost two years after the publication and the sale of 175 thousand copies (in Portugal alone).

In its decision, the Court decided in favour of the petitioners. Therefore, and according to the judicial decision that was made public today [09.09.2009], any expressions of the theory of the child’s death and a concealment of the cadaver with the parents’ involvement, are forbidden in any shape or form. The author of the book and the editors are forbidden from “citing, analysing or commenting upon, verbally or in writing, the parts of the book or the video that defend the theory of death or concealment of the body”, as well as from “reproducing or commenting, giving an opinion or an interview, where said thesis is defended or where it can be inferred”. In order to prevent that either the book or the video can be published abroad, the author and the editors are also prohibited from selling the book’s and the video’s copyrights.

The decision goes even further and does not merely prohibit the sale of the remaining copies or of new editions of the book, but also prohibits the edition of “other books and/or videos that defend the same theory and that are destined to be sold or published by any means in Portugal”. In order to prevent both the book and the video from being publicised abroad, the author and the editors are also forbidden from selling the rights that they hold over the works (source).

Well, in “The Truth about the Lie”, Gonçalo Amaral described the investigation, listed the collected evidence, and based on that, he built a thesis and presented his own conclusions. Therefore, this book is a free exercise of opinion, divulged under the freedom of expression that is constitutionally acknowledged and guaranteed in our country.

Deep down, it seems that Gonçalo Amaral does nothing more than to emit his perception of what he believes is the most likely scenario for the disappearance of Madeleine. According to the impressions that he has collected, he believes that the evidence point into the direction that the child died inside the apartment, and he considers the possibility that the parents had some kind of direct or indirect intervention in the concealment of the cadaver.

It does not seem possible to infer, from this, that the former inspector states that the parents are responsible over the disappearance. This is merely a mental construction that is based on the investigation that was carried out, which is to say, an exercise in (free) opinion about certain facts.

By preventing the divulgation of any opinion that establishes the connection between the McCanns and the disappearance of Madeleine, the Court is limiting the freedom of expression not only for Gonçalo Amaral, but for all the people who reach the same conclusion. By forbidding the publication and divulgation in Portugal of any books and/or videos that defend the same thesis, the Court is limiting the right to emit an opinion about certain facts. What seems to be at stake is an act of censorship on what is thought and expressed about the “Madeleine McCann” case in Portugal.

According to the Court, this is a situation where fundamental rights are at conflict: on one side, Gonçalo Amaral’s right to freedom of expression, and on the other, the McCanns’ personality rights. In that conflict, the Court decided that the personality rights should prevail.

But it is important to clarify whether or not this is indeed a matter of conflicting fundamental rights, which is to say, it is absolutely essential to analyse whether or not the McCanns’ personality rights are being damaged, as there re no doubts that the book was published under the freedom of expression of its author.

It is at this point that I disagree with the Court’s decision. In effect, while Gonçalo Amaral merely expresses personal convictions, which is to say, an opinion about certain facts that took place, and only taking personal conclusions thereof, not making any accusations, it seems that although one may admit that the situation is uncomfortable for the McCanns, it does not damage their personality rights. It would be damaging if the conclusions were unreasonable or baseless, but given the fact that the author of the book elaborates a logical reasoning and bases his conclusions on facts, what may be said is that the conclusions may be wrong, but not that they are gratuitous, and therefore, that their purpose is to target the McCanns’ fundamental personality rights.

On my behalf, I would say that in this case, the McCanns’ fundamental personality rights were not violated, and that, on the contrary, the Court’s decision attacks Gonçalo Amaral’s freedom of expression.

Hypothetically, and taking this matter to an extreme, I dare to say that to forbid the emission of a free exercise in opinion, in logics and in argumentation like the one that was made by Gonçalo Amaral, is to open the door to the possibility of considering that personality rights are being damaged by, for example, any accusation from the Public Ministry that comes to be considered as not sustained due to a lack of proof. Excessive, maybe, but possible, using a reasoning that resembles that of this judicial decision.

Given the fact that everything indicates that Gonçalo Amaral and/or the editors will appeal this decision, we shall see whether or not the superior instances agree with this point of view. Anyway, what remains to be seen is if the Court maintains the now expressed opinion, if there is, at least, opposition and if the process moves into trial.

source: Dr Marta Madalena Botelho’s webpage, 09.09.2009

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n/t

09-23-2009, 09:41 AM

Why did they have to go to Portugal to meet with their lawyers? Actually, why do they still have/need Portuguese lawyers? Their arguido status was lifted. I don't see a need for lawyers. Do you?

More money taken from the fund for this trip?:rolleyes:

n/t

09-24-2009, 07:24 AM

The Mccanns have also managed to have The Madeleine Foundation...removed from the web...Amaral was due in England to meet with this organisation and make a public speech...I think the Mccanns are in Portugal to try and stop him from going to England.

EXCLUSIVE: MADDIE PARENTS SUE COP FOR £1M BOOK PROFITS

Kate and Gerry McCann are suing the police chief who bungled the investigation into their daughter's disappearance - and blamed them for her death - for £1million.

In a 36-page writ handed to the Sunday Mirror, they lay bare in painful detail how Gonçalo Amaral's accusations left them "totally destroyed" and caused them "irreparable" damage.

It also gives a harrowing insight into the day-to-day life in the McCann household as they struggle to cope without Madeleine.

The writ - which the Sunday Mirror has had translated from Portuguese - outlines how the couple both suffer from "permanent anxiety, insomnia, lack of appetite, irritability and an indefinable It also says Kate McCann is "in a deep and serious depression".

I recall reading that Amaral was countersuing. Is that still the case?

n/t

09-24-2009, 07:43 AM

What about all the innocent victims that were wrongly accused by the McCanns for taking Madeleine? Maybe they should be suing.

I find it fascinating how quickly those stories died and were never followed up on. Who is their next victim? We've had a pedo, The Australian Victoria Beckham lookalike, the fireman...

Also haven't seen any reports of Madeleine sightings in a while. I guess Mitchell can't handle multitasking.

Details

09-24-2009, 01:34 PM

Hi n/t , he is here in Spain, last time I looked we still had free speech in this country.He indeed does intend to counter sue.Here in America, we have free speech too - but there are limits to prevent someone from slandering you - and since he really cannot prove his theory, I suspect that's where this falls.

And it makes sense - whatever you think of the McCann's, there's no proof at all that they killed their daughter, so to say so is slander. Imagine if it happened to you, someone decides you were responsible for the crime of the century, and writes a book to tell everyone that you definitely did it. Free speech does have limits. You can't yell Fire in a crowded theater, you can't slander people, etc. Your rights end where other people begin.

n/t

09-24-2009, 03:58 PM

Did you watch the video with the cadaver dog?

Casspian

10-01-2009, 01:55 AM

The Mccanns through their Lawyers tried to have "The Madeleine Foundation for All Neglected Children "shut down...Well, it was closed for a few days . It is now back. The Foundation posted leaflets giving
30 reasons that Madeleine could not have been abducted. The lawyers however, have not mentioned this in their letter to the head of the Foundation..The only reason Carter Ruck could come up with was an "Infringement of a Photograph of Madeleine". Nothing about the Foundation and their belief that Madeleine Mccann is dead.

Is there a link/site for that foundation? I can't find any.

I would imagine McCann's lawyers don't want to bring attention to those 30 reasons.

Debb

10-01-2009, 11:38 AM

Is there a link/site for that foundation? I can't find any.

I would imagine McCann's lawyers don't want to bring attention to those 30 reasons.

Try www.madeleinefoundation.org

I read some of the reasons. VERY interesting! I intend to finish the article later. If what they say is correct, it paints an entirely different picture from what I have previously thought. At first I was suspicious of the parents, but later thought they were cleared. This article is very strong indeed.

n/t

10-04-2009, 08:35 PM

Thanks! I am going to read that.

JMO's, thoughts -

I have since day 1 thought that the McCann's story did not add up. No reasonable parent is going to leave 3 toddlers all alone like that, and certainly not educated, wealthy parents who can afford a babysitter and also had the hotel creche available. I saw the DailyMail photo series about the pool, bar, and room location, and it is absurd to think 3 little toddlers were all alone out of direct view.

I strongly suspect they were in the habit of occassionally drugging their crabby toddlers and thought that they knew what they were doing since they are both doctors. I also believe that they are given all sorts of 'help' from various high places because they are both doctors and too valuable to society to lose. I am suspicious that the Catholic Church had a hand in disposing of Maddy's body, for an appropriately large donation, of course.

I saw Jane Tanner on TV once giving an interview (not Oprah, but perhaps a news magazine like 20/20 or Dateline in the USA) shortly after Maddy disappeared. Not only did she strike me as a liar, but I got a vibe from her that is downright Evil. Perhaps she is somewhat mentally ill.

Maddy's colomb in her eye would mark her as very special in the view of hardcore witchcraft practitioners. Maddy was a also a very attractive child and likely quite intelligent, and any unusual eye marking is especially prodigious to 'them'. (sorry - no link, but as an example, in the movie version of The Scarlet Letter, the child of Hester has a birthmark that the religious fanatics would claim made him a witch, and this is just common knowledge about European old religion witchcraft found in dusty old books.) I hope Maddy was not some sort of sacrifice.

All JMO

If you get the chance, watch the video with the cadaver dog Eddie. It is a real eye opener.

n/t

11-03-2009, 02:49 PM

Is this Madeleine McCann as she looks today?

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/is-this-madeleine-mccann-as-she-looks-today-14547952.html

n/t

11-03-2009, 02:53 PM

A Minute for Madeleine -

New YouTube video

http://ceop.police.uk/madeleine/madeleine.asp

Never forgotten :rose:

Debb

11-03-2009, 07:00 PM

This case started me on the IS boards. Followed every piece of info that came up; thought about it every day and never could get off the fence on if she was abducted or not.
So after reading and watch the video all I can say now is this:

Madeline, may Justice prevail. May the Angels hold your hand where ever you are. And KNOW the truth will come out.

While I am certainly not as well informed as you are, I have kept up somewhat with the case. I too am uncertain of what to believe. Perhaps I am too skeptical of the parents because I find it so bizarre for them to have left the children unattended night after night. It boggles the mind IMO. But even if I get past that, I still just don't know.

I'm not one who believes a lay person can tell who is lying. Are there any comments from professional body lanuage experts as to the parent's behavior in interviews and if it indicates deception, etc.? I would be interested to see that.

Coldwater

11-03-2009, 10:22 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/03/earlyshow/main5506728.shtml?tag=nl.e875

kayemm

11-14-2009, 10:37 AM

Try www.madeleinefoundation.org

I read some of the reasons. VERY interesting! I intend to finish the article later. If what they say is correct, it paints an entirely different picture from what I have previously thought. At first I was suspicious of the parents, but later thought they were cleared. This article is very strong indeed.

Fortunately the website has been shut down because somewhat insanely the author of the 30/60/10 reasons based them on tabloid newspaper articles about the family that were later shown to be false and withdrawn and partially on the 'book' written by the disgraced ex cop who was removed from the case.

The timing is interesting, Mr Bennett who wrote the 'Reasons' did so AFTER the tabloids admitted to printing false stories so he had no excuse really. The disgraced cops earnings have been seized along with his new flash car, awaiting judgement on his book, unfortunately for him he based his accusations and theories on an ongoing investigation that he was removed from, his assertions are issues that were highlighted in the progress report which was written prior to half the interviews and before the forensic results came back, all issues or suspicions were cleared up in the final months of the investigation and this is why the case ended up shelved awaiting new evidence to reopen it. It's all gone very ugly because it seems both of these men acted with intent to deceive.

Wherever there is grief there will always be vultures hoping to take a piece of the action themselves, the internet both allows this to happen in greater numbers but it also means that when the vultures are exposed we can all find out the facts.

zinnia

11-15-2009, 07:27 AM

Fortunately the website has been shut down because somewhat insanely the author of the 30/60/10 reasons based them on tabloid newspaper articles about the family that were later shown to be false and withdrawn and partially on the 'book' written by the disgraced ex cop who was removed from the case.

The timing is interesting, Mr Bennett who wrote the 'Reasons' did so AFTER the tabloids admitted to printing false stories so he had no excuse really. The disgraced cops earnings have been seized along with his new flash car, awaiting judgement on his book, unfortunately for him he based his accusations and theories on an ongoing investigation that he was removed from, his assertions are issues that were highlighted in the progress report which was written prior to half the interviews and before the forensic results came back, all issues or suspicions were cleared up in the final months of the investigation and this is why the case ended up shelved awaiting new evidence to reopen it. It's all gone very ugly because it seems both of these men acted with intent to deceive.

Wherever there is grief there will always be vultures hoping to take a piece of the action themselves, the internet both allows this to happen in greater numbers but it also means that when the vultures are exposed we can all find out the facts.

Hi Kayemm; good to see you still keep tabs on this as I do. Still am not convinced that Kate and Gerry had anything to do with Madelines evaporation; still pray for her story to be told.
Zinnia