Man shoots women, kills himself at health club

[airportwoman]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090805/ap_on_re_us/us_health_club_shooting

With that kind of attitude, no wonder women rejected him. At least he wasn't one of those men who attracted women like flies to manure and then abused them - think about it.

I just wish someone had stumbled upon his blog and brought it to the attention of authorities.

:rose: for all the innocent victims.

[Details]

One of my grandmother's favorite sayings:

When the world treats you wrong, look to yourself - not the world.



Women go for ugly guys, for bitter guys, for guys with problems, for guys without money - to fail so often, so thoroughly - that's not the women's fault - it's something HE is doing. Had he looked to himself for the problem, he could have been successful.

[BOZGAL2]

I am sure he could of found a mate, he just wanted what he could not have, I know many programmers and most are anti-social, so I am sure he was the same, but in this day and age with on-line dating services and things, what a shame, and why kill people, why not just kill himself, why the need to kill others? I just don't get it, it is hard to understand a broken mind, with that kind of job he had the money for the best care possible too, he just did not seek help

ITA
There are so many ways to meet mates in this day and time.
And one thing I will never understand is why kill other people?
If you are that miserable and sick and will not seek help, hurt yourself not others. JMO

I certainly pray there is no one who read this craziness and did nothing. :sad:

My prayers and thoughts are with the victim's families and friends. :rose:

[kelloggirl]

One of my grandmother's favorite sayings:

When the world treats you wrong, look to yourself - not the world.



Women go for ugly guys, for bitter guys, for guys with problems, for guys without money - to fail so often, so thoroughly - that's not the women's fault - it's something HE is doing. Had he looked to himself for the problem, he could have been successful.

That's a great saying, Details.

The tragic irony of this is that he says he did ask friends what he was doing wrong and no one could tell him and then says he would pay money for a coach to tell him what he was doing wrong and wouldn't it be great if they existed? They do. They're called therapists.

Not that that would've necessarily helped, he seemed to believe wholeheartedly that he was a victim of everyone's actions and that he had no control over anything.

I read an article where a neighbor or friend says there was something off and odd about him that they could never put their finger on. I'm sure in addition to the bitterness RachelRose mentions above, he probably broadcast desperation and insecurity on all frequencies in dating situations.

Speculating on the blog - I suspect he published all of it right before the shooting. Even if he did publish it earlier, it wasn't on any common blog sites like MySpace or LiveJournal, so it would've been highly unlikely that anyone would've read it unless he gave the link to someone.

:rose: For the victims and their families :rose:

[airportwoman]

Speculating on the blog - I suspect he published all of it right before the shooting. Even if he did publish it earlier, it wasn't on any common blog sites like MySpace or LiveJournal, so it would've been highly unlikely that anyone would've read it unless he gave the link to someone.

I would think it would be very easy to tell if it really was posted when he said it was.

[airportwoman]

I was really struck, seeing that picture earlier today. There is a newer one where he is older and less attractive looking - but seeing that pic, and knowing he couldn't get a woman, is really something. He's a good looking, financially stable single guy.

For him to repel women on the first date as he did, he must have just reeked bitterness.

I've known a few people (both men and women) who managed to find a spouse, and people who had known them for a long time were completely puzzled as to how.

Hadn't he ever heard of those third world mail order bride places? OTOH, maybe they rejected him too.

I don't want to post how long it's been since I had a date! A lot longer than 2008, that's for sure.

[taylor63]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090805/ap_on_re_us/us_health_club_shooting

With that kind of attitude, no wonder women rejected him. At least he wasn't one of those men who attracted women like flies to manure and then abused them - think about it.

I just wish someone had stumbled upon his blog and brought it to the attention of authorities.

:rose: for all the innocent victims.

It's just really frightening to think there maybe many more like this guy out there in society that seem normal or at least close to normal on the surface, but who are seething with rage towards everyone underneath.

[dref99]

I am sure he could of found a mate, he just wanted what he could not have, I know many programmers and most are anti-social, so I am sure he was the same, but in this day and age with on-line dating services and things, what a shame, and why kill people, why not just kill himself, why the need to kill others? I just don't get it, it is hard to understand a broken mind, with that kind of job he had the money for the best care possible too, he just did not seek help


My bold - and what a weird statement. I worked with people in the computer industry all my working life & found most to be very friendly folks, most were married with families - nothing at all indicative of shooting at a group of women for no useful reason whatsoever - so how about finding some other reason for why this man had issues. Could even be that he was somewhat mentally unstable - and that he had easy access to a weapon.

jmo

[Streetdreamer]

In an overall sense, I think this man didn't have friends or family. I don't believe the problem is just women, but everyone. His website is shut down but I know someone has it. Maybe I'll find it later.

Getting women is easy, you gotta go outside and always say something friendly, he just didn't have anyone to talk to about this issue. Apparently he hadn't had sex since 1990 or something like that and he blamed it on woman's rudeness. But a lot of guys have that issue, thats when you leave the country and go to the philippines or south america it will change your confidence so strongly that when you get back to america, you will realize that this alleged meanness is all in your head.

Obama says be persistant, he had to ask michelle 5 times to get her to go out.

I actually feel bad for this guy, no where near how I feel for the victims but I can see his misery and self loathing that made him feel so callous. He was just disgusting in such a way that he would've never been my friend so I would've seen him as someone pathetic. Its just sad.

[taylor63]

ITA
There are so many ways to meet mates in this day and time.
And one thing I will never understand is why kill other people?
If you are that miserable and sick and will not seek help, hurt yourself not others. JMO

I certainly pray there is no one who read this craziness and did nothing. :sad:

My prayers and thoughts are with the victim's families and friends. :rose:

I could be wrong about this,but I have a feeling the reason why he couldn't get a girlfriend, or a wife was not necessarily because he could not attract any woman, but maybe because there were unrealistic expectations on his part about his ideal mate.

He was a middle aged man pushing 50, and I don't mean to generalize, but I have found at least in my life. That alot of middleaged and older men seem to be more attracted to, and want to have relationships with younger,attractive women in their twenties and thirties.

Rather than be realistic, and look for women more in their own age group. As a result, alot of these men usually end up being dissapointed because these younger women do not return their romantic sentiments alot of the time.

Of course,this is all speculation on my part. And this may not be the case at all here. Even if he got everything he wanted,I have feeling something else would have set him off eventually. As like most other rampage killers he had alot of pent up rage that he has stored inside for years

[airportwoman]

Apparently he hadn't had sex since 1990 or something like that and he blamed it on woman's rudeness.

Didn't he ever hear of prostitutes or escort services? Not that I think that's right, but c'mon! There are some men who SHOULD NOT have relationships, and if all they want is sex, that may be the best thing for all involved.

As for middle aged men wanting younger women, yeah, they might WANT them, but whether they can actually GET one usually depends on how much money they have.

:glare:

[n/t]

The psychologist on HLN (sorry don't know his name) said this guy may have suffered from schizoid personality disorder. After reading his blog, I tend to agree.

Symptoms
DSM-IV-TR specifies seven diagnostic criteria for schizoid personality disorder:

Avoids close relationships: People with this disorder show no interest or enjoyment in developing interpersonal relationships; this may also include family members. They perceive themselves as social misfits and believe they can function best when not dependent on anyone except themselves. They rarely date, often do not marry, and have few, if any, friends.

Prefers solitude: They prefer and choose activities that they can do by themselves without dependence upon or involvement by others. Examples of activities they might choose include mechanical or abstract tasks such as computer or mathematical games.

Avoids sex: There is typically little or no interest in having a sexual experience with another person. This would include a spouse if the affected person is married.

Lacks pleasure: There is an absence of pleasure in most activities. A person with schizoid personality disorder seems unable to experience the full range of emotion accessible to most people.

Lacks close friends: People affected with this disorder typically do not have the social skills necessary to develop meaningful interpersonal relationships. This results in few ongoing social relationships outside of immediate family members.

Indifferent to praise or criticism: Neither positive nor negative comments made by others elicit an emotionally expressive reaction. They don't appear concerned about what others might think of them. Despite their tendency to turn inward to escape social contact, they practice little introspection.

Emotional detachment: Their emotional style is aloof and perceived by others as distant or "cold." They seem unable or uninterested in expressing empathy and concern for others. Emotions are significantly restricted and most social contacts would describe their personality as very bland, dull or humorless. The person with schizoid personality disorder rarely picks up on or reciprocates normal communicational cues such as facial expressions, head nods, or smiles.

http://www.minddisorders.com/Py-Z/Schizoid-personality-disorder.html

[airportwoman]

Maybe he had Asperger's? Those people usually want relationships but often cannot have them, no matter where they go, what they do, or who they meet.

:sad:

[Kip]

I thought the entry in the diary about an older woman (someone who had just met him) at a picnic who asked him if he had been bullied as a child was interesting. This woman was able to pick up at first meeting that this guy had problems.

[lunchlady]

Why did this guy own four guns? Our gun laws are too lax, IMO. Everyone who owns handguns and/or assault rifles should have to go down to the police station every year and talk to a policeman about why they need their guns and what they're doing with them. This would give the police a chance to spot oddballs. At the very least a computer could keep track of gun ownership and spot people who own multiple guns?

I know gun rights are in the Constitution, but as long as we make it so easy for mentally disturbed people to own and keep guns we're going to have mass shootings. They are expensive and powerful tools/toys for most people, but for a few crazy people the possession of a gun weighs on their mind and they finally use it to act out their crazy ideas.

[Details]

I thought the entry in the diary about an older woman (someone who had just met him) at a picnic who asked him if he had been bullied as a child was interesting. This woman was able to pick up at first meeting that this guy had problems.For her to ask, at a first meeting, he must have been just broadcasting his problems.


Anyone who remotely tries can have a few dates, a little success - he obviously had something so wrong that everyone he tried to talk to could see it. And he blamed them, rather than looking to himself.

[leema24]

Some information about the 3 victims:

Heidi Overmier
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09218/988993-455.stm

Jody Billingsley
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09218/988991-455.stm

Elizabeth Gannon
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09218/988990-455.stm

It's really ashame these 3 innocent women had to lose their lives to the hands of this very disturbed man.

[Kip]

Some information about the 3 victims:

Heidi Overmier
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09218/988993-455.stm

Jody Billingsley
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09218/988991-455.stm

Elizabeth Gannon
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09218/988990-455.stm

It's really ashame these 3 innocent women had to lose their lives to the hands of this very disturbed man.

Thanks for posting those links. All of those women leave behind so many family members and friends. My heart especially caches for Heidi's 15-year-old son. :crying:

[Jester]

The psychologist on HLN (sorry don't know his name) said this guy may have suffered from schizoid personality disorder. After reading his blog, I tend to agree.

Symptoms
DSM-IV-TR specifies seven diagnostic criteria for schizoid personality disorder:

Avoids close relationships: People with this disorder show no interest or enjoyment in developing interpersonal relationships; this may also include family members. They perceive themselves as social misfits and believe they can function best when not dependent on anyone except themselves. They rarely date, often do not marry, and have few, if any, friends.

Prefers solitude: They prefer and choose activities that they can do by themselves without dependence upon or involvement by others. Examples of activities they might choose include mechanical or abstract tasks such as computer or mathematical games.

Avoids sex: There is typically little or no interest in having a sexual experience with another person. This would include a spouse if the affected person is married.

Lacks pleasure: There is an absence of pleasure in most activities. A person with schizoid personality disorder seems unable to experience the full range of emotion accessible to most people.

Lacks close friends: People affected with this disorder typically do not have the social skills necessary to develop meaningful interpersonal relationships. This results in few ongoing social relationships outside of immediate family members.

Indifferent to praise or criticism: Neither positive nor negative comments made by others elicit an emotionally expressive reaction. They don't appear concerned about what others might think of them. Despite their tendency to turn inward to escape social contact, they practice little introspection.

Emotional detachment: Their emotional style is aloof and perceived by others as distant or "cold." They seem unable or uninterested in expressing empathy and concern for others. Emotions are significantly restricted and most social contacts would describe their personality as very bland, dull or humorless. The person with schizoid personality disorder rarely picks up on or reciprocates normal communicational cues such as facial expressions, head nods, or smiles.

http://www.minddisorders.com/Py-Z/Schizoid-personality-disorder.html

George Sodini was taking care of his physical appearance, and was successful at work. People that knew him thought he was quiet, but an all right person. He was intelligent and capable at work, and did not exhibit any outward signs of abnormal behavior. I have met a few schizophrenics in my life, and they are not outwardly normal. Even on medication, they are usually in assisted living and perform simple jobs even if they were of normal intelligence prior to diagnosis. If he was a schizophrenic, someone would have known. We may hear that in the future, but I doubt it. He bought his how about 10 years ago, and it appears to be a well kept property. A schizophrenic, even on medication, would most likely not be able to accomplish that.

I'm no doctor, but I disagree that he was schizophrenic. According to the medical dictionary, this is the definition:

"Schizophrenia is a psychotic disorder (or a group of disorders) marked by severely impaired thinking, emotions, and behaviors. Schizophrenic patients are typically unable to filter sensory stimuli and may have enhanced perceptions of sounds, colors, and other features of their environment. Most schizophrenics, if untreated, gradually withdraw from interactions with other people, and lose their ability to take care of personal needs and grooming."

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Schitzophrenia

A secondary source:

"Schizophrenia often starts slowly. When the symptoms first appear, usually in adolescence or early adulthood, they may seem more bewildering than serious.

In the early stages, people with schizophrenia may find themselves losing the ability to relax, concentrate or sleep. They may start to shut long-time friends out of their lives. Work or school begins to suffer; so does their personal appearance. During this time, there may be one or more episodes where they talk in ways that may be difficult to understand and/or start having unusual perceptions. "

http://www.cmha.ca/BINS/content_page.asp?cid=3-100

[Jester]

http://www.youtube.com/user/MOSB46PGH#play/uploads

This is the tour of his home. He strikes me as a lonely person who desperately wants a relationship but ... the big problem (imo) ... he only wants someone that is out of his reach. The book on his coffee table is titled: Date Young Women. He seemed to think that all he needed was a nice car, reasonable house, furnishing, and young women would flock to him. At his age - 48 or something - he was probably so set in his ways that he would be too inflexible to include anyone in his sparse world. He also probably perceived women as something you put in your world rather than as someone you have as a friend, partner, companion, and equal. I doubt that he had any definable medical illness, and that his problems stemmed from being too picky, thinking he was perfect, and expecting that he deserved only a perfect woman. I suspect that he was distant and cold towards women to the extent that they recoiled. When young, active, healthy, attractive women were not interested in him, he probably began to resent them. He also resented his mother. Over 20 years his resentment probably built until he decided to do what he did yesterday. Ultimately, he was nothing more than an angry man that focused his anger on women - typical misogynist.

[happy2bme]

George Sodini was taking care of his physical appearance, and was successful at work. People that knew him thought he was quiet, but an all right person. He was intelligent and capable at work, and did not exhibit any outward signs of abnormal behavior. I have met a few schizophrenics in my life, and they are not outwardly normal. Even on medication, they are usually in assisted living and perform simple jobs even if they were of normal intelligence prior to diagnosis. If he was a schizophrenic, someone would have known. We may hear that in the future, but I doubt it. He bought his how about 10 years ago, and it appears to be a well kept property. A schizophrenic, even on medication, would most likely not be able to accomplish that.

I'm no doctor, but I disagree that he was schizophrenic. According to the medical dictionary, this is the definition:

"Schizophrenia is a psychotic disorder (or a group of disorders) marked by severely impaired thinking, emotions, and behaviors. Schizophrenic patients are typically unable to filter sensory stimuli and may have enhanced perceptions of sounds, colors, and other features of their environment. Most schizophrenics, if untreated, gradually withdraw from interactions with other people, and lose their ability to take care of personal needs and grooming."

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Schitzophrenia

A secondary source:

"Schizophrenia often starts slowly. When the symptoms first appear, usually in adolescence or early adulthood, they may seem more bewildering than serious.

In the early stages, people with schizophrenia may find themselves losing the ability to relax, concentrate or sleep. They may start to shut long-time friends out of their lives. Work or school begins to suffer; so does their personal appearance. During this time, there may be one or more episodes where they talk in ways that may be difficult to understand and/or start having unusual perceptions. "

http://www.cmha.ca/BINS/content_page.asp?cid=3-100

ITA! I have a family member who has schizophrenia and have witnessed alot with him. No way this man had schizophrenia. IMO

[happy2bme]

In an overall sense, I think this man didn't have friends or family. I don't believe the problem is just women, but everyone. His website is shut down but I know someone has it. Maybe I'll find it later.

Getting women is easy, you gotta go outside and always say something friendly, he just didn't have anyone to talk to about this issue. Apparently he hadn't had sex since 1990 or something like that and he blamed it on woman's rudeness. But a lot of guys have that issue, thats when you leave the country and go to the philippines or south america it will change your confidence so strongly that when you get back to america, you will realize that this alleged meanness is all in your head.

Obama says be persistant, he had to ask michelle 5 times to get her to go out.

I actually feel bad for this guy, no where near how I feel for the victims but I can see his misery and self loathing that made him feel so callous. He was just disgusting in such a way that he would've never been my friend so I would've seen him as someone pathetic. Its just sad.

This website has his blog. I don't think he thought much of his family, especially his brother.
http://raincoaster.com/2009/08/05/george-sodinis-blog-the-plan/

[crocdog1]

I could be wrong about this,but I have a feeling the reason why he couldn't get a girlfriend, or a wife was not necessarily because he could not attract any woman, but maybe because there were unrealistic expectations on his part about his ideal mate.

He was a middle aged man pushing 50, and I don't mean to generalize, but I have found at least in my life. That alot of middleaged and older men seem to be more attracted to, and want to have relationships with younger,attractive women in their twenties and thirties.

Rather than be realistic, and look for women more in their own age group. As a result, alot of these men usually end up being dissapointed because these younger women do not return their romantic sentiments alot of the time.

Of course,this is all speculation on my part. And this may not be the case at all here. Even if he got everything he wanted,I have feeling something else would have set him off eventually. As like most other rampage killers he had alot of pent up rage that he has stored inside for years

This makes sense to me.

This was a nice looking guy--no Paul Newman, but seems like he could have met some lady at Church, work, or social gathering.

Just like men, there are lonely women out there who are looking for companionship.

[Details]

well that women wasn't very helpful, in fact she seemed quite mean if you ask me, why would she say that to someone, course maybe what she said and what he heard were two different thingsWhen everyone was seeing him as someone to keep away from - that suggests she was responding to what he put out.

That video is creepy - the house is so staged - nothing natural there, so sparse, no human connection, no hint a person lives there - a furnished apartment before someone moves in is the general look - no books he likes to read, no photos of family or friends, no art he likes to look at - something was really broken in this guy - and he blamed the world for not being broken the same way he was.

[Details]

And for a start - wow - take a look at this report:

http://www.eandppub.com/2009/08/ap-omits-killers-obama-references.html

Why would news agencies be omitting so much of the diary? Seems as much a clue as anything to who he was. Just interesting what is being left out. They quote him looking forward to the election - but no more.

[aubrey04]

I read most of his blog enteries in the New York Daily News, I think?

Here are youtube videos he left.. He was dorky, but not horrendous. I think he was trying to get girls way out of his league. There is someone out there for everyone - he could have found someone, but I bet he wanted someone young enough to be his daughter. He talks about what a girl 10-20 years younger than him likes -- like that is what he was trying to snag.

Two videos:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSEozUu5d-4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T022hG9Sp4

[withay]

And for a start - wow - take a look at this report:

http://www.eandppub.com/2009/08/ap-omits-killers-obama-references.html

Why would news agencies be omitting so much of the diary? Seems as much a clue as anything to who he was. Just interesting what is being left out. They quote him looking forward to the election - but no more.

The entire diary (except for some easy to figure out expletatives) has been published on some sites. CNN had a link yesterday..I do not know if it is still up. He expressed a belief that most women who went to college ended up having sex with African American men which took away his opportunities. I think most of what has been left out was pretty racially charged and we can get an a good idea of what he was about without reading more. The man was (IMHO, of course) angry and blamed all of his problems on others. Even at a church he used to attend, he had to be asked to back off from persuing a woman who was not interested in him. I have met guys and gals like him....they don't pick up on social signals, either from people who are not interested or people who are.

[kennedy06]

oh my gosh is all I can say about that "diary" what does one say after reading that. I found that very disturbing and strange, to personal in some way... maybe even slightly sad I dont know, sort of wish I didn't read it. JMO

[Details]

The entire diary (except for some easy to figure out expletatives) has been published on some sites. CNN had a link yesterday..I do not know if it is still up. He expressed a belief that most women who went to college ended up having sex with African American men which took away his opportunities. I think most of what has been left out was pretty racially charged and we can get an a good idea of what he was about without reading more. The man was (IMHO, of course) angry and blamed all of his problems on others. Even at a church he used to attend, he had to be asked to back off from persuing a woman who was not interested in him. I have met guys and gals like him....they don't pick up on social signals, either from people who are not interested or people who are.I think it's important and relevant that there is so much racism in there - to "whitewash" it - it's not right. Go with the whole story - if it embarrasses racists to be linked to him, I don't think I care.

[kennedy06]

I didn't look at any one component of his diary but at it as a whole, I didn't see him as having one particular thought that pushed his agenda race or religion but some sort of basic self absorbed personality maybe...he could hold a job it appears, save money, have a home...if he knew how to make utube videos, thought and figured out how to do this shooting then he was of enough mind to have ordered an escort service if he was that much physical need,or go onto a singles dating sites, ordered self help books about dating and relationships... to many other options... a lot of ways to have figured out how to attract a woman...I realize it isn't always easy to meet someone...but, no I bet his problems against women not wanting him wasn't his only problem...seems to me it would have taken more than a woman to have eased his mind...if he would have gotten the "women" I suspect he would have went onto another subject to be obsessed about and be the victim of in his mind.

I wonder how many people did try to help him that we didn't hear about?

JMO

[n/t]

He attended dating seminars.

George Sodini Sought Dating Help Before Pennsylvania Gym Shooting
Video Shows Sodini in Seminar on How to Pick Up Women

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=8274254&page=1

[kennedy06]

Thank you N/T, I stand corrected in my previous post...so he did try to seek some form of help in dating....odd just odd...maybe women was just the excuse for problems that were much deeper. To much for me.

JMO

[n/t]

I didn't look at any one component of his diary but at it as a whole, I didn't see him as having one particular thought that pushed his agenda race or religion but some sort of basic self absorbed personality maybe...he could hold a job it appears, save money, have a home...if he knew how to make utube videos, thought and figured out how to do this shooting then he was of enough mind to have ordered an escort service if he was that much physical need,or go onto a singles dating sites, ordered self help books about dating and relationships... to many other options... a lot of ways to have figured out how to attract a woman...I realize it isn't always easy to meet someone...but, no I bet his problems against women not wanting him wasn't his only problem...seems to me it would have taken more than a woman to have eased his mind...if he would have gotten the "women" I suspect he would have went onto another subject to be obsessed about and be the victim of in his mind.

I wonder how many people did try to help him that we didn't hear about?

JMO


No it wasn't just women. I agree with you, he'd find something else to justify his rage. He was a ticking time bomb.

In his blog he lists family members and people he knew. The only 2 he had good things to say about were his nephew and niece. Mom, brother and sister were "boss" and controlling. Interesting no mention of dad that I could find.

He labelled all the others as "idiots".

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=8258001&page=2

[n/t]

I couldn't respond to your posts on the Current Crimes thread because it was locked.

Schizoid and schizophrenia are not the same.

[annalyzer]

seems from the video, he wanted a girl 20+ or so years younger then himself, that was his problem


He was a LOSER, not a loner. He was very ugly inside and out. He wanted hot women much younger than himself. Rot in hell ahole.

[SavannahStar]

He was a total wacky, but fascinating from the standpoint of psychology, IMO.

What I'm really interested in, and haven't seen at all yet, are interviews with his family and people who knew him/worked with him/neighbors/friends, etc.

Seems in one of the diaries he said a girl had his baby in 1991 (IIRC), but the last time he saw her was when she was 4 months pregnant. Wonder if that's true....wonder about the baby and the ex.

I sure wish more info would come out, other than what HE said about HIMSELF.

[MsBondJamesBond]

Very strange individual, indeed. I'd really like to hear from people who knew him, co-workers, people who had regular casual contact, about how he seemed. Did they all think he was normal? A regular guy? Or was he someone they didn't want to associate with. Was he someone they avoided? What about women he did manage to get dates with. Did they date him once or twice and then think, get me out of here, this guy is creepy?

Why was someone who was so desperate for female companionship so picky about their age? Why did he have to have some young chick? Why the need to target only younger women and go to such lengths as to buy books and attend seminars to learn how to snag a young woman?

In many of the pictures and videos he seems attractive enough to attract a woman. One widely distributed pic is not so great, but most of the others he looks fine. Was he just so socially inept that he couldn't start a conversation or do so without turning a woman off?

[n/t]

Hacker retraces Western Pa. killer's online steps
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/pa/20090807_Hacker_retraces_Western_Pa__killer_s_onli ne_steps.html


UPDATED - Gunman Left LA Fitness, Called Mother, Went Back Inside To Kill
http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/allegheny/20304177/detail.html


Pa. gunman used same Web store as Va. Tech shooter

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jCr-8hvMxT_o93eW1whvXEAyJfqAD99U2KVO0

[leema24]

He was a total wacky, but fascinating from the standpoint of psychology, IMO.

What I'm really interested in, and haven't seen at all yet, are interviews with his family and people who knew him/worked with him/neighbors/friends, etc.

Seems in one of the diaries he said a girl had his baby in 1991 (IIRC), but the last time he saw her was when she was 4 months pregnant. Wonder if that's true....wonder about the baby and the ex.

I sure wish more info would come out, other than what HE said about HIMSELF.

Here's an article that mentions the baby claim:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09218/989034-455.stm

"He claimed he had not had sex since July 1990; elsewhere he claimed he fathered a child born in early 1991 to a woman he hadn't seen since she was pregnant. The woman died five years ago and her family said they knew nothing of Mr. Sodini's claim."

[SavannahStar]

Here's an article that mentions the baby claim:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09218/989034-455.stm

"He claimed he had not had sex since July 1990; elsewhere he claimed he fathered a child born in early 1991 to a woman he hadn't seen since she was pregnant. The woman died five years ago and her family said they knew nothing of Mr. Sodini's claim."

Thanks so much for that! Hadn't heard any follow up.

[SavannahStar]

Hacker retraces Western Pa. killer's online steps
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/pa/20090807_Hacker_retraces_Western_Pa__killer_s_onli ne_steps.html


UPDATED - Gunman Left LA Fitness, Called Mother, Went Back Inside To Kill
http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/allegheny/20304177/detail.html


Pa. gunman used same Web store as Va. Tech shooter

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jCr-8hvMxT_o93eW1whvXEAyJfqAD99U2KVO0


Thanks for those links. I hadn't heard about the call to his mother...or anything at all about the family, after the shooting. Will be interesting if we hear from them in interviews, in time. Or, as I said in an earlier post, other people who knew him personally.

[MsBondJamesBond]

I saw a brief clip of some reporter trying to interview the father. He basically said he didn't want to discuss it. A pic was shown of the mother this morning and it was revealed he called her before going in and that he told her he was going to kill people and himself.

I can't name the station(s)

[dgfred]

He even stunk at doing what he fantasized about all this time... loser.

[Citygirl]

I know I've said this before..but they walk among us dear friends..
and from all the news lately..a lot of them are walkin among us..

[airportwoman]

I find it interesting that he was interested in much younger women, but the women he killed were all about his age. :confused:

OTOH, the pregnant instructor (anyone know how far along she was?) is IIRC 26. I do not know the ages of any other victims.

[SavannahStar]

I saw a brief clip of some reporter trying to interview the father. He basically said he didn't want to discuss it. A pic was shown of the mother this morning and it was revealed he called her before going in and that he told her he was going to kill people and himself.

I can't name the station(s)

Oh how sad. Well according to his blog, he hated both of them. His brother too.

The family must be so devastated. Well that's an understatement. They need prayers and support. I hope they have a strong network of other family and friends that can be of help. :sad:

[n/t]

Police don't know whether Sodini's mother, who lives in Baldwin, called anyone to report what her son told her. But she did call him back shortly after 8 p.m., probably about the time he was spraying an exercise room with gunfire, police said.

No one answered the door at his mother's home yesterday. His father, George Sodini of Adams in Butler County, said he did not want to talk about what happened. The family released a statement saying: "Our hearts and prayers are with the victims and their families, and we pray for the full recovery of the survivors."

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/pittsburgh/s_637160.html

[bearwds]

Anyone find rather chilling the comment that investigators plan to interview anyone who was reading this kooks web blogs..??


bear

[n/t]

Funeral for 2 of the victims scheduled for Saturday.

46-year-old Heidi Overmier, of Carnegie, who worked at the Kennywood amusement park and 49-year-old Betsy Gannon of Pittsburgh.

The third victim's viewing will be held Sunday, 37-year-old Jody Billingsley of Mount Lebanon

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iO10lC7PHxy4Tga5G1sqhO-HXnEQD99U7TI81


4 Hospitalized victims condition:

22 year old Heather Sherba of Collier Township expects to be discharged Friday.

The aerobics instructor, 26-year-old Mary Primis of Moon Township, has been moved out of intensive care.

Two others ares still being treated. One in serious condition.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i9yfdWya3DmitHJRq-GU8g_xI1ngD99U3HB03


:rose:

[n/t]

Anyone find rather chilling the comment that investigators plan to interview anyone who was reading this kooks web blogs..??


bear

I guess they want to make sure there won't be another kook planning the same thing? :shrug:

Where did you read that comment? I missed it. TIA

[bearwds]

I guess they want to make sure there won't be another kook planning the same thing? :shrug:

Where did you read that comment? I missed it. TIA

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Your own post here at number #18. Second Link, "Gunman left fitness center..."

YW


bear

[MsBondJamesBond]

Anyone find rather chilling the comment that investigators plan to interview anyone who was reading this kooks web blogs..??


bear
And the next headline reads:

543 Members of In Session Message Board Questioned in PA Shooter Case



Of course I still remember the day the FBI called someone near and dear to our heart after she phoned Melinda Duckett's cell phone. :laugh:

[Lyndawitha"Y]

I really dont want to dwell of this sicko..but I will say, I am glad he ended his torment..and took with him sick, disgusting laments of his pathetic life...He is where he should be..and its likely way south..in a very hot place!!..I do have sympathy for his parents..it is not their fault he became such a sick puppy..howver I do find some fault in those that actually listened and enjoyed his rhetoric onlline..There has to be something wrong with perople who need to listen to people like this..and enjoy the entertainment of it..and dont have any regret in not at least trying to stop this whimp!!

Im off my soapbox now...and I feel better to get it off my chest..Have a great evening!

LMS

[n/t]

I really dont want to dwell of this sicko..but I will say, I am glad he ended his torment..and took with him sick, disgusting laments of his pathetic life...He is where he should be..and its likely way south..in a very hot place!!..I do have sympathy for his parents..it is not their fault he became such a sick puppy..howver I do find some fault in those that actually listened and enjoyed his rhetoric onlline..There has to be something wrong with perople who need to listen to people like this..and enjoy the entertainment of it..and dont have any regret in not at least trying to stop this whimp!!

Im off my soapbox now...and I feel better to get it off my chest..Have a great evening!

LMS



A hacker tracked down his blog. I don't know if anyone had access to it until it was discovered.

That's my understanding of it.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

A hacker tracked down his blog. I don't know if anyone had access to it until it was discovered.

That's my understanding of it.

I wonder..was it Facebook..or Myspace or something along that line..most people dont open a "Blog" site...per say..but wish to network with same sorts..if you get my meaning...I just have to wonder what type of site it was?..Man This guy was dysfunctional on so many levels..and cant help but wonder if no one felt he was maybe dangerous??..Oh well..Its stories like this that makes regular people paranoid and dont trust others.."Talk is Cheap".."Quietness breeds Anger"..all sorts of things come to mind....I would rather deal with someone who speaks their mind..than someone who is quietly planning revenge..against that unknown threat??

BTW..TY for clearifying that for me..:wub:
LMS

[MsBondJamesBond]

On at least an older web site of his, he had his own domain name. I'm not sure that anyone was reading his stuff.

[n/t]

I wonder..was it Facebook..or Myspace or something along that line..most people dont open a "Blog" site...per say..but wish to network with same sorts..if you get my meaning...I just have to wonder what type of site it was?..Man This guy was dysfunctional on so many levels..and cant help but wonder if no one felt he was maybe dangerous??..Oh well..Its stories like this that makes regular people paranoid and dont trust others.."Talk is Cheap".."Quietness breeds Anger"..all sorts of things come to mind....I would rather deal with someone who speaks their mind..than someone who is quietly planning revenge..against that unknown threat??

BTW..TY for clearifying that for me..:wub:
LMS


Here you go. The link is posted up there on #18

Instead, using Sodini's Web domain, georgesodini.com, Alex was able to find his e-mail address. From there, he went to the Webmail server that Sodini used and clicked on the box that asked if he forgot his password.

That prompted a security question asking Sodini the name of his favorite pet. In his previous Google searches, Alex had already found the answer to that. He typed it in, and just like that, he accessed Sodini's e-mail, and from there other, older Web pages the man had kept, his Gmail account, and therefore his Google search history.

In addition to looking up terms about mass murder, Sodini did searches on "corruption of minors" and "age of consent Pennsylvania."

He queried such phrases as "social phobia," "cognitive therapy," and "avoidant personality disorder," and other things, like lyrics by the singers Pink and Van Morrison.

Alex also found YouTube videos Sodini posted more than a year ago of him talking about his feelings and one of him giving a walking tour through his Scott home.

While the videos had had only a couple dozen hits when Alex found them, by the end of the day yesterday, they numbered more than 10,000.

"It's just curiosity," Alex said of hacking Sodini. "It has been interesting to try and reconstruct what is left of his online life."

[bearwds]

On at least an older web site of his, he had his own domain name. I'm not sure that anyone was reading his stuff.

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But, now we know "the authorities" will be....and contacting the readers.

Not into a paranoia thing here but just a privacy concern.

The concern is there isn't any.


bear

[n/t]

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But, now we know "the authorities" will be....and contacting the readers.

Not into a paranoia thing here but just a privacy concern.

The concern is there isn't any.


bear


The way I understand it is they'll be contacting the readers who may have known about the blog prior to the shootings. The ones who followed his blog and didn't report it to authorities. Not people like you and I who only found out about it later because it was in the media. It took a hacker to track it down. I don't think many even read it, if any.

With that said, if someone did, who cares about privacy concerns. If they knew about it why didn't they report it to authorities and they may have prevented this tragedy?

I would compare it to let's say a student at a highschool who posts about shooting his teachers and classmates, some read it on Myspace or facebook but don't do anything about it. It's wrong.

[airportwoman]

He was questioned by police a week before the shooting because he matched the description of a man who took an object that looked like a grenade out of a bag on a public bus, and released due to insufficient information.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090810/ap_on_re_us/us_health_club_shooting

His writing indicated that he did indeed do this.

[Details]

....Why was someone who was so desperate for female companionship so picky about their age? Why did he have to have some young chick? Why the need to target only younger women and go to such lengths as to buy books and attend seminars to learn how to snag a young woman?

In many of the pictures and videos he seems attractive enough to attract a woman. One widely distributed pic is not so great, but most of the others he looks fine. Was he just so socially inept that he couldn't start a conversation or do so without turning a woman off?He's not so ugly as to repel all women - but then, no one is. It's personality, I think, not being socially inept. He reports talking to a woman who asks if he was abused as a child - I think that gives a lot of clue what his conversations were like that a stranger would think to ask that.

I suspect he wanted the young hot woman because he thought that's what he was supposed to be able to get. Just another part of the usual loser's obsession over what everyone else has (in his mind), over getting what he thinks is his due. He sees one guy similar to himself with a younger woman - thinks that means he should be able to get one too - and if not, proof they (the entire female species) are being wrong to him. Same would go for much of anything else he saw someone else getting - IMO.

[Marcia3]

He's not so ugly as to repel all women - but then, no one is. It's personality, I think, not being socially inept. He reports talking to a woman who asks if he was abused as a child - I think that gives a lot of clue what his conversations were like that a stranger would think to ask that.

I suspect he wanted the young hot woman because he thought that's what he was supposed to be able to get. Just another part of the usual loser's obsession over what everyone else has (in his mind), over getting what he thinks is his due. He sees one guy similar to himself with a younger woman - thinks that means he should be able to get one too - and if not, proof they (the entire female species) are being wrong to him. Same would go for much of anything else he saw someone else getting - IMO.

After reading George's blogs and viewing the video on UTube, I'd have to agree with your statement above. He seemed to believe that he had certain entitlements and those included young, "hot" women. He seems to be obsessing just a bit on his blog when he spied a young woman with long blonde hair leaving his neighbor's house one morning.

[Lidia]

I feel for the families of the victims, but I don't feel sorry for the killer.