White House Uses Video to Battle ‘Disinformation’

[daniel green]

The White House showed today that its campaign skills have not gone rusty, reacting quickly with its own three-minute video in response to a Web video that officials say misrepresents President Obama’s health-care plan.The Web video is a hodge-podge of old statements from Mr. Obama, but it cropped up on the Drudge Report on Monday. At one point it shows Mr. Obama in 2003 saying, “a single-payer health plan, that is what I would like to see,” and another saying his plan would “eliminate” private insurance. The White House responded early this morning with a video that says these claims are false. It features Linda Douglass, a former ABC News reporter who joined the Obama campaign last year and is now helping the White House sell its overhaul of health care.She takes an approach that was much-discussed during the campaign when false information about Mr. Obama was flying around the Web. In its effort to debunk the false information, the campaign took the unusual step of repeating it — a step that would run counter to image-management in the pre-Web days, but one that officials say is necessary today when viewers are bound to see the false information anyway.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/04/white-house-uses-video-to-battle-disinformation/

[Re-Poe]

Good for the White House - they have to do something to combat all the misinformation and outright lies being told. imo

[daniel green]

Bill Maher put it very well on Friday, that there is no stupid thought or idea or notion that should not be squelshed at the onset, because they can and will take off. ie, Whitewater and a war hero's actions mocked, etc.

[Hey Paula]

Obama IN HIS OWN WORDS saying His Health Care Plan will ELIMINATE private insurance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ethefoxnation%2Ecom%2Fwhite %2Dhouse%2Dfights%2Dback%2F2009%2F08%2F04%2Fwh%2Df ights%2Dback%2Dagainst%2D2007%2Dobama%2Dvideo%2Dyo u%2Dbe%2Djudge&feature=player_embedded

[daniel green]

Obama IN HIS OWN WORDS saying His Health Care Plan will ELIMINATE private insurance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ethefoxnation%2Ecom%2Fwhite %2Dhouse%2Dfights%2Dback%2F2009%2F08%2F04%2Fwh%2Df ights%2Dback%2Dagainst%2D2007%2Dobama%2Dvideo%2Dyo u%2Dbe%2Djudge&feature=player_embedded

Don't tell me you fell for that edited hodgepodge. :blushing:

From the OP:

in response to a Web video that officials say misrepresents President Obama’s health-care plan.The Web video is a hodge-podge of old statements from Mr. Obama, but it cropped up on the Drudge Report on Monday.

[Justiceguy_1977]

Don't tell me you fell for that edited hodgepodge. :blushing:

From the OP:




So, where is unedited verison? hmm We are waiting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Veritas]

Don't tell me you fell for that edited hodgepodge. :blushing:

From the OP:

Unedited version, please?

[Hey Paula]

Don't tell me you fell for that edited hodgepodge. :blushing:

From the OP:

If you truly believe this, I'm :blushing:for you. You are being commanded to deny what BO actually says and what you see and hear for yourself. It's no wonder BO won this election. While others took him at his word and hence recognized his agenda, others harkened to the siren's song, ignoring the message, BO's radical affiliations and his socialist agenda.

IMO

[Freedom1]

Don't tell me you fell for that edited hodgepodge. :blushing:

From the OP:

It's amazing to me Daniel that you can SEE and HEAR the video/audio of what Obama says and you still CHOOSE not to believe it. Simply amazing.

[Mimi428]

So, where is unedited verison? hmm We are waiting!

Have you thought about going to Drudge & asking that question?

[Justiceguy_1977]

Have you thought about going to Drudge & asking that question?


Do you believe the video is edited?

if so, prove it!!

[Freedom1]

Do you believe the video is edited?

if so, prove it!!

LMAO. I can't believe these people. They are brainwashed by this administration. The video of Obama talking about "single payor" is not edited. It is him. In his own words.

[Justiceguy_1977]

LMAO. I can't believe these people. They are brainwashed by this administration. The video of Obama talking about "single payor" is not edited. It is him. In his own words.



Yes I know!!! what a mess



Probably, they don't believe the polls that most of americans don't want a national healthcare plan.


Including me.. I'm on medicare and Medi-Cal in CA My drs, meds, my wheelchairs repairs and etc are covered.. yes i m happy with what i have....

[daniel green]

I want a single-payer plan and universal health care. Like almost 70 million of Americans who voted for the President (more than any other in the history of our country) that is WHY we elected him!

[daniel green]

It's amazing to me Daniel that you can SEE and HEAR the video/audio of what Obama says and you still CHOOSE not to believe it. Simply amazing.

Well, it is certainly edited as it is taken from various and sundry talks. He does not say it will replace anyone's pvt insurance or any of the other claims.

Have you heard/watched the video in the OP? I did, btw, watch the vid HeyPaula posted.

[Justiceguy_1977]

I want a single-payer plan and universal health care. Like almost 70 million of Americans who voted for the President (more than any other in the history of our country) that is WHY we elected him!




WE don't want A NATIONAL health plan. including all of my family........ Do you pay attention the latest polls??????/

[Freedom1]

So, where is unedited verison? hmm We are waiting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe Obama should just try being honest. He's starting to look silly and weak and all the backtracking on issues is making him untrustworthy.

[Justiceguy_1977]

Well, it is certainly edited as it is taken from various and sundry talks. He does not say it will replace anyone's pvt insurance or any of the other claims.

Have you heard/watched the video in the OP? I did, btw, watch the vid HeyPaula posted.





WHERE IS THE unedited video? We are just asking for that unedited verison!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[daniel green]

WE don't want A NATIONAL health plan. including all of my family........ Do you pay attention the latest polls??????/

I certainly have. And Americans, overwhelmingly, want health care reform. There is no national health care plan option, btw. :confused:

http://pollingreport.com/health.htm

[Justiceguy_1977]

Maybe Obama should just try being honest. He's starting to look silly and weak and all the backtracking on issues is making him untrustworthy.


Exactly....... hes not being honest AND he cant be trusted....

[Freedom1]

Well, it is certainly edited as it is taken from various and sundry talks. He does not say it will replace anyone's pvt insurance or any of the other claims.

Have you heard/watched the video in the OP? I did, btw, watch the vid HeyPaula posted.

Really? So when he was talking to the union he didn't say that he was for "single Payer" health system? Why do you keep denying it? Why not just be honest about it. That's what he said he wants. IMO that's what he's working for. Just be honest about it so we can all make up our minds on whether we agree with him or disagree with him and we can vote or talk to our congressman in an honest fashion.

[daniel green]

WHERE IS THE unedited video? We are just asking for that unedited verison!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't be upset. You want unedited video from every one of those speeches snipped in the Drudge compilation video? I suppose you have to ask Drudge.

[daniel green]

Really? So when he was talking to the union he didn't say that he was for "single Payer" health system? snipped.

Yes, he did. And?

Did you watch the OP vid yet?

[Mimi428]

Including me.. I'm on medicare and Medi-Cal in CA My drs, meds, my wheelchairs repairs and etc are covered.. yes i m happy with what i have....

<snipped>

Why would you be opposed to others being on a Medicare-type plan? You have seen for yourself that it suits your own needs.

[daniel green]

"Do you approve or disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling health care?"


7/24-28/09

46% approve
38% disapprove

16% not sure

http://pollingreport.com/health.htm

[Veritas]

LINK (http://www.breitbart.tv/obama-in-03-id-like-to-see-a-single-payer-health-care-plan/)

Where, daniel, is this edited?

“I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care program. I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its Gross National Product on health care cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody. And that’s what Jim is talking about when he says everybody in, nobody out. A single payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. And that’s what I’d like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we have to take back the White House, we have to take back the Senate, and we have to take back the House.”


What does this mean, daniel?

But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately.

[daniel green]

From the OP:

She explains: “One of my jobs is to keep track of all the disinformation that’s out there about health-insurance reform. And there are a lot of very deceiving headlines out there right now, such as this one. Take a look at this one. This one says, ‘Uncovered Video: Obama Explains How His Health Care Plan Will Eliminate Private Insurance.’ Well, nothing can be farther from the truth. You know the people who always try to scare people whenever you try to bring them health-insurance reform are at it again. And they’re taking sentences and phrases out of context, and they’re cobbling them together to leave a very false impression.”

[Freedom1]

the white house needs to do more of these, these get to more people then any other method of communication

I agree. They do need to do more of these and then when they break their promises, we can go back and fnd a video record of what they ACTUALLY said.

[Veritas]

Just because a lie is used to cover up a lie, it doesn't make what they say true, daniel. She is lying to the public.

JMHO

[Freedom1]

I agree, these keep government honest, ask republicans, they hate youtube ;)

Apparently so does the Obama administration.

[Freedom1]

if private insurance can't compete with single payer, if a public option is so successful, yes they will go out of business or become a different business, life insurance and such, but that will be a choice for the American people to make, they will chose, sounds like republicans will keep paying for private care (at least they say so), so unless republicans change their mind later, a private option will always exist

the best thing, I agree with Obama would be a single payer system, but the people will not choose that unless the public option is so successful everyone chooses it

Well . . . THANK YOU for finally admitting that Obama does want a single payer system.

[Not Telling]

Wasn't that woman from the WH who made that youtube video on the taxpayer dime?

We're paying Federal Employees to play on youtube, these days?

:confused:

What do you mean by "play on youtube"....????

[Justiceguy_1977]

LOL, you HAVE a national healthcare plan, not sure what you are saying, I do not see you out there buying a private plan, you just want to deny us the right to choose a public option which seems to be what you choose



I don't have national healthcare..... medicare was paid into by my Dad. Because of my disability I'm able to get medicare. i can't afford to buy private insurance.. if I could I would and i will be still ELIGABLE to get medicare.

IF Obama's plan goes through I WILL BE SCREWED.........

[Mimi428]

I don't have national healthcare..... medicare was paid into by my Dad. Because of my disability I'm able to get medicare.



<snipped>

What??? How do you figure that Medicare is NOT a national healthcare program? It sure as heck isn't a PRIVATE healthcare program. It is run by the government.

So what is the problem with the government offering the rest of the citizens the same sort of healthcare plan that you have?

[flareon]

Wasn't that woman from the WH who made that youtube video on the taxpayer dime?

We're paying Federal Employees to play on youtube, these days?

:confused:

She's a paid shill. Now who could possibly disbelieve anything coming out of her mouth? :biggrin:

[Mimi428]

It really burns me because you're right - the elderly and disabled will be screwed.

<snipped>
How do you figure the elderly & disabled will be screwed?

[flareon]

It really burns me because you're right - the elderly and disabled will be screwed. Those that need health care the most. :mad:

imo

You're right. It will be money wasted for very little benefit.

Commonsense tells you that unless everyone's cost goes up substantially, there can't be that much change for the better.

[flareon]

How do you know what he wants and what he doesn't want.

It's normally not clear from what he says.

:confused:

I believe it's called talking points, but even they change constantly according to what the polls say.

[flareon]

Is that a euphemistic description of "flip-flop" or is it code for "deceit"?

:confused:

Well, you know how often Obama has to "recalibrate" his thoughts. :biggrin:

[Justiceguy_1977]

<snipped>

What??? How do you figure that Medicare is NOT a national healthcare program? It sure as heck isn't a PRIVATE healthcare program. It is run by the government.

So what is the problem with the government offering the rest of the citizens the same sort of healthcare plan that you have?


I had no choice to be on medicare because of my dad.. Hes a retired firefighter of 20 yrs. I have Cerebral Palsy.. i use a power wheelchair.. I need to get a new wheelchair eevery 4 to 6 yrs. the chairs costs $15,000 to $24,000 for my needs.. if i was not disabled I will not be eligable to get medicare. MEDIcare/ medicaid/ medi cal needs to be for seniors and disabled mostly.. NOT EVERYBODY

IF WE GO national healthcare THEY SCREW disabled....

[Mimi428]

I had no choice to be on medicare because of my dad.. Hes a retired firefighter of 20 yrs. I have Cerebral Palsy.. i use a power wheelchair.. I need to get a new wheelchair eevery 4 to 6 yrs. the chairs costs $15,000 to $24,000 for my needs.. if i was not disabled I will not be eligable to get medicare. MEDIcare/ medicaid/ medi cal needs to be for seniors and disabled mostly.. NOT EVERYBODY

IF WE GO national healthcare THEY SCREW disabled....

Medicare is a NATIONAL healthcare program regardless of the reasons people are enrolled in it. Some are enrolled because of their age, others because of disability. Either way, it is still a healthcare system run by the GOVERNMENT. In other words, a socialist program.

How would a national healthcare plan that includes more people 'screw' disabled people? I am not following at all what dire things you believe will happen.

TIA

[flareon]

Absolutely!

:patriot:

These people are starting to remind one of Baghdad Bob. They keep saying things that no one could possibly believe are true.

[Mimi428]

I totally agree.

You agree that a national healthcare program would 'screw' the disabled?

HOW?? How would that happen? What would happen?

What information are y'all privy to that the rest of the world doesn't know about? I cannot figure out how national healthcare is supposed to 'screw' the disabled.

TIA

[Barbara2]

"White House Battling Disinformation" sounds like the beginning of a joke on "Saturday Night Live". IMO

[flareon]

Now remind us again. WHO paid for this?

THE TAXPAYERS. Not only are we going to have to pay more for less adequate care, we also have to pay the people who have created the mess.

[flareon]

"White House Battling Disinformation" sounds like the beginning of a joke on "Saturday Night Live". IMO

I know. You somehow expect to see them shadow boxing with themselves.

[Mimi428]

These people are starting to remind one of Baghdad Bob. They keep saying things that no one could possibly believe are true.

Well, between the 'Obama is not an American', 'Obama wants to euthanize the elderly' & 'National healthcare will screw the disabled' - I agree that I do not understand how anyone can believe such nonsense.

But much as I think such claims are preposterous & ought to be seen for the lies they are, I wouldn't yet call the people pushing them 'Baghdad Bob'.

I may have to reconsider, though.

[Mimi428]

Why don't you take all of your questions and turn them around to statements designed to convince me and everyone else who has an opinion that differs from yours that we are wrong?

Like I said this morning, I have no intention of playing 20 questions.
I post what I want, when I want - within limits most of the time.

Hey, you are the ones who are making the bold claims that national healthcare is going to 'screw' the disabled. If you can't explain how that is going to happen, I don't see how you can expect others to believe such a claim.

I'm sorry to learn of your limited capabilities. I always figure discussion & clarification is a good thing. Healthcare reform is a serious issue to me, so I am always interested in those who have good ideas on how to address it.

[watcher2005]

Here's another thing from the White House website:

"There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Facts-Are-Stubborn-Things/


Just what the heck does that mean?

[flareon]

Gibbs is really a laughable guy.

If the media wasn't so much in the tank, they would have a field day with him.

:laugh:

I know. They send him out there ill-equipped to answer questions and he ends up looking like a buffoon. I remember everyone talking about how bad Scott McClellan was and he was bad, but this guy makes Scottie look competent.

[flareon]

Here's another thing from the White House website:

"There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Facts-Are-Stubborn-Things/


Just what the heck does that mean?

Didn't they do this same schtick during the primaries? I guess since they are in "campaign mode" again, they thought they would pull out the props. Can the columns be far behind?

[Barbara2]

Hey, you are the ones who are making the bold claims that national healthcare is going to 'screw' the disabled. If you can't explain how that is going to happen, I don't see how you can expect others to believe such a claim.

I'm sorry to learn of your limited capabilities. I always figure discussion & clarification is a good thing. Healthcare reform is a serious issue to me, so I am always interested in those who have good ideas on how to address it.

This is one example:

http://www.healthbeatblog.com/2009/07/health-care-for-immigrantswhen-insured-they-help-all-of-us-.html

Here’s the background: Earlier this month, the Massachusetts legislature decided to drop state-subsidized health coverage for 30,000 legal immigrants—those who have green cards but have been residents for less than five years. Dropping the immigrants—non-disabled adults who are 18 to 65 years old—is expected to save the state $130 million next year.

Some commentators both inside and outside the state tried to portray the immigrants as illegal aliens who were “freeloading” off the state for health benefits. In fact, they are documented, permanent residents who are able to work and live in our country legally. Like American citizens, they pay taxes and can join the military to fight our wars—many go on to become citizens.

In this case they are dropping legal immigrants. In other cases, who might they drop in order to cut costs associated with providing health care for all? There is at least one adviser to the president who has been quoted as saying that resources would be better used for a 25 year old than a 65 year old. These are the things that make concerned citizens question just what we're going to end up with regarding health care provided by the government. IMO

[Brentwood]

I am starting to think these people are just coming here to disrupt, they are not even making sense

Exactly <read my sig line>

I think we need single payer health care. The status quo is unexceptable.

[flareon]

I'm with you, Goo.

Guess we just aren't bright enough to understand profound complexities.

Maybe we need to find an innocuous little forum somewhere that doesn't have such stringent intellectual requirements!
:laugh:


I don't know. I think you would have to hone your use of talking points to fit in with the Mensa crowd. :laugh:

[Brentwood]

I thought the op video was a good concise way of showing the truth of the matter. I agree that the WH should communicate more in this way.

[Barbara2]

I guess saying I don't play 20 questions was just too simply to be understood. I have an ex-husband who used to try to interrogate me. Notice I said ex...........:biggrin:

Answering the questions often gets you nothing but insulted by the questioner anyway unless the answer follows some preconceived idea of what the desired answer should look like. IMO

[flareon]

I guess saying I don't play 20 questions was just too simply to be understood. I have an ex-husband who used to try to interrogate me. Notice I said ex...........:biggrin:

That's a sign of abuse and people can only put up with this for so long.

[daniel green]

No they don't. Most Americans who are insured like the health plan they've got.

MOO

Really? Do you? I don't know of a single soul who likes the health care coverage he/she has.

We have really good health care insurance with ZERO cost to us for physician office visits, free comprehensive eye care and dental through BCBC of NC (you know, the ones who claim to be non-profit) and we hate it. We pay through the nose for it through my husband's employer and you have to challenge 99% of what they deny and they make totally arbitrary decisions based on cost, not on what one's physician Rxs or thinks necessary. For instance, I take Lunesta for insomnia and it is expensive. My doc Rxs 31/month. Well, BCBS (which, btw, insures all govt workers in NC, what a cush deal that is) decides that they will pay for only 20 Lunestas/30 days. Oh, and that 31st day in some months, forget it.

I've called them, we have had a news story on local news about it but they don't change. Because for every patient they screw like that their profits go up.

My husband and I are very fortunate that we have no problem paying for the pills and his job even gives ea employee $3K/yr for those kind of problems. But, what about folks who can't?

Do you agree that it's some insurance exec's decision on what should be your medical care that counts? Not what your physican says you should have?

[daniel green]

I thought the op video was a good concise way of showing the truth of the matter. I agree that the WH should communicate more in this way.

Oh, absolutely. Shine the light on the facts.

It will be very helpful.

[MiamiNice1]

Gibbs is really a laughable guy.

If the media wasn't so much in the tank, they would have a field day with him.

:laugh:
:lol:

What you wrote is a great description of what happened yesterday with the flip-flop tax-the-middle-class fiasco......."if the media wasn't so much in the tank," as you so perfectly said, yesterday would have been highly entertaining!

Geithner/Summers vs Gibbs (Obama)

imo

[daniel green]

Oh, and as we know, if one is insured and likes that health insurance coverage, he/she can keep it.

[flareon]

:lol:

What you wrote is a great description of what happened yesterday with the flip-flop tax-the-middle-class fiasco......."if the media wasn't so much in the tank," as you so perfectly said, yesterday would have been highly entertaining!

Geithner/Summers vs Gibbs (Obama)

imo

I know. The only ones they have to fight disinformation is amongst themselves. Perhaps being honest would help this situation.

[MiamiNice1]

No they don't. Most Americans who are insured like the health plan they've got.

MOO
I AGREE! I'm extremely happy with my BCBS/PPO plan. As a matter of fact, my family is getting EVERYTHING possible done this year.....before the Obama administration has a chance to muck it up for us!

Hopefully, all these procedures we're doing this year will be able to see us through the next 3 years of this nonsense! :laugh:

imo

[flareon]

I AGREE! I'm extremely happy with my BCBS/PPO plan. As a matter of fact, my family is getting EVERYTHING possible done this year.....before the Obama administration has a chance to muck it up for us!

Hopefully, all these procedures we're doing this year will be able to see us through the next 3 years of this nonsense! :laugh:

imo

That's probably a wise thing to do before the system is rife with problems and horrendous wait times.

[MiamiNice1]

I know. The only ones they have to fight disinformation is amongst themselves. Perhaps being honest would help this situation.
:lol: Exactly! So right! They need that aforementioned "light of facts" to bring some illumination to THEIR confusion!

[flareon]

:lol: Exactly! So right! They need that aforementioned "light of facts" to bring some illumination to THEIR confusion!

That's what I said about these townhall meetings. Forget the talking point, forget the obfuscation, try to have knowledge and level with the people. If they did this, there wouldn't be any problems.

Of course, one will never be able to keep Obama from doing his "entertainment" dog and pony shows, but the policy information will get out in spite of those shows.

[MiamiNice1]

That's what I said about these townhall meetings. Forget the talking point, forget the obfuscation, try to have knowledge and level with the people. If they did this, there wouldn't be any problems.

Of course, one will never be able to keep Obama from doing his "entertainment" dog and pony shows, but the policy information will get out in spite of those shows.
I think they are making the terrible mistake of believing their own press. I also think that because so many people were so desperate for change, maybe this administration thought the American people would fall for anything.

Not happening. Thankfully. The TRUTH will come out, no matter how much it is suppressed.

imo

[flareon]

I think they are making the terrible mistake of believing their own press. I also think that because so many people were so desperate for change, maybe this administration thought the American people would fall for anything.

Not happening. Thankfully. The TRUTH will come out, no matter how much it is suppressed.

imo

Absolutely. The truth will come out and it is great that the manipulation is so apparent. They are arrogant. One day you just hope their arrogance does them in.

[theal3]

I totally agree with you, and you have been spot on with regard to anyone liking their present health insurance. Fortunately, I too, am able to pay for the pills, and other items not covered, but many can't even afford the premiums, much less anything else.

It's sad that the right wing doesn't have any kind of understanding or compassion for others who are not as fortunate as they are. :thumbdown:

I am so happy this country is going to finally catch up with the rest of the Industrialized World. We've been way behind for far too long.

mo

mo

Well said. Way too long. And we have higher live birth death rates, and obesity, and all that jazz here. I don't know "who" the power that be are that "took advantage of" the common good citizen of our country, but, it makes me mad, that our good work ethic, and citizenship etc, was taken advantage of by "corporations" and the "big boys" if you will, not small business or locals or even state or congress folks, but the big corporations...... IMHO...

[Veritas]

:::snipped for brevity::: For instance, I take Lunesta for insomnia and it is expensive. My doc Rxs 31/month. Well, BCBS (which, btw, insures all govt workers in NC, what a cush deal that is) decides that they will pay for only 20 Lunestas/30 days. Oh, and that 31st day in some months, forget it.






First of all, I LOVE my health insurance plan.

Secondly, it is listed right in the BCBS information that Lunesta is a quanity limited drug.



http://www.empireblue.com/shared/noapplication/f3/s4/t3/pw_ad094093.pdf


My plan has a formulary, too. Even Medicaid has a formulary.:rolleyes:

[beattherap]

Really? Do you? I don't know of a single soul who likes the health care coverage he/she has.

We have really good health care insurance with ZERO cost to us for physician office visits, free comprehensive eye care and dental through BCBC of NC (you know, the ones who claim to be non-profit) and we hate it. We pay through the nose for it through my husband's employer and you have to challenge 99% of what they deny and they make totally arbitrary decisions based on cost, not on what one's physician Rxs or thinks necessary. For instance, I take Lunesta for insomnia and it is expensive. My doc Rxs 31/month. Well, BCBS (which, btw, insures all govt workers in NC, what a cush deal that is) decides that they will pay for only 20 Lunestas/30 days. Oh, and that 31st day in some months, forget it.

I've called them, we have had a news story on local news about it but they don't change. Because for every patient they screw like that their profits go up.

My husband and I are very fortunate that we have no problem paying for the pills and his job even gives ea employee $3K/yr for those kind of problems. But, what about folks who can't?

Do you agree that it's some insurance exec's decision on what should be your medical care that counts? Not what your physican says you should have?
from gallup poll, 7/24-25---

"One aspect of the healthcare debate focuses on the benefits of healthcare reform to the country as a whole, while another addresses the benefits to the average American. Yet the majority of Americans are not sold on the notion that reform would have a positive effect on either."

http://www.gallup.com/poll/121943/Benefits-Healthcare-Reform-Tough-Sell-Americans.aspx...

imo, those numbers Overstate support for 'reform' because imo the word 'reform' implies make something better... any poll that uses the word 'reform' has a built in bias for support.

imo.

[Freedom1]

It means if you get an email from anybody, including family or friends, that MIGHT say something that disagrees with what Obama is saying, they want you to turn your family or friend into the White House!


Also note the use of the word "conversation." Be sure you turn in everybody you hear around the water cooler who may be disparaging Obama's health care plan.

According to my reading of it, half the people on this site will be hearing from the White House and/or the IRS any day now!

:cursing:

Wow. This administration gets scarier and scarier.

[Re-Poe]

Oh, and as we know, if one is insured and likes that health insurance coverage, he/she can keep it.

Thank You!! daniel green, thank you so much for trying so hard to get the actual facts out here for people to see and read. The Americans need people like you who spread hope and inspiration rather than fear and mistrust and lies. It is such a shame and shock really that so many people believe the lies! and spread it. They just cannot fathom that it is the rich insurance companies that are mostly at the root of the misinformation and the politicians they have bought and paid for. imo

[Freedom1]

Oh, gee.............I forgot to cc the WH on all of the e-mails I sent my senators/representatives.

LOL . . . don't look now . . . but somebody may already done that for you.

[flareon]

Wow. This administration gets scarier and scarier.

I don't know if this is scary as much as it is silly. They did this same nonsense during the primary. It was as much to fool gullible people that they were a part of something as it was to get meaningless information that was probably never even looked at.

The irritating thing is that our tax dollars are being used for this nonsense.

[Freedom1]

the Bush admin was scary, remember when the Secret Service went after the kid that drew a thumbs down for President Bush in class, if Obama does anything like that, let me know, cause that was scary

"Wal-Mart Gives Teen's
Anti-Bush Poster To Police"

http://www.rense.com/general67/walmartgivesteens.htm

I love it when people try to divert attention away from something that they know is true and try to make it look better by talking about something they thought was just as bad. How does this make the Obama administration look any better for you Jesse? Do you feel better about your President asking you to rat fellow Americans out to him just for voicing their opinions?

[daniel green]

Just catching up on posts. I'd say that your BCBC is following the regulations, since LUNESTA is a Schedule IV controlled substance under the Controlled Substances Act.
That could be why it is one of the drugs for sale on line without a prescription. I call those drugs "pay less, take more."
IMO

Oh, please. It is not controlled substance except for the purpose of BCBS. It is Rxd by my physician, for a medical problem--insomnia. My physician--a sleep expert--was aghast that an INSURANCE company, some paper-pushers, would try to get inbetween a PHYSICIAN and his/her treatment of a patient. And that happens, with millions of ppl, every day. It's one of the ways insurance companies make money and get to pay their execs MILLIONS and millions in bonuses.

Why are you talking about getting it online without an Rx? :confused: How is that on topic?

We had insurance through United Health Care for 13 yrs and they always paid for all 31 pills. But, now with BCBS, they only pay for 20 pills. We would up speaking to their Executive Office and sent a news team up there and they finally agreed that it was a cost cutting method for them, nothing more.

Here's another personal story, illustrating the untruth about how "everyone is happy with their health care if they have insurance." My daughter is a professional and she and her husband have very good insurance coverage, as that goes, also through BCBS of NC. You know, the not for profit company. :rolleyes: Her little girl, aged 2, had a fever of 104 a few Sundays ago and she took her to the ER, as per her pediatrician's advise when she called him. She was seen for less than an hour, given only a dropper full of tylenol and the cost to my daughter, after insurance, was $400+. She called BCBS and was told she could challenge it, but they would never pay more.

And she and her husband are fortunate enough to be able to pay the $400.

But, really, is anyone who has insurance coverage, really happy with it? Because I have never met anyone who was.

[Veritas]

LINK (http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/05/boxer-protesters-too-well-dressed-to-be-sincere/)

:rolleyes:

[daniel green]

Yes. I've always had BC/BS and they've been fantastic.

imo

You are very lucky, indeed. On several counts. That you have insurance and that it's worked well for you and yours. Mazel tov!

[Freedom1]

oh give me a break, the right sure love to spin, if something about the healthcare plan is a lie, disinformation, they asked to have the email frwrd'd to them so they can get the truth out, that is nothing like what the Bush admin was doing and you know it

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Facts-Are-Stubborn-Things/

"Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov."

I really worry about you James that you think this is okay.

[Roux]

LINK (http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/05/boxer-protesters-too-well-dressed-to-be-sincere/)

:rolleyes:

Well just when I thought it couldn't get any more ridiculous. The only sensible thing she said was that the media should take a look at what's going on -- although some in the media would still refuse to report the truth of what's going on.

[daniel green]

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I also don't follow how you originally said that the insurance co. makes more profit by authorizing 20 doses at a time rather than 30. Same number of doses in the long run, where's their profit?
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IMO

Well, clearly, by paying for only 20 pills per 31 day. Or 60 pills in a three-month period. The patient must pay full price for the rest. Which is almost $10 PER pill.

[daniel green]

L'chaim! :laugh:

Quite literally!!!! :biggrin:

[Veritas]

Oh, please. It is not controlled substance except for the purpose of BCBS. It is Rxd by my physician, for a medical problem--insomnia. My physician--a sleep expert--was aghast that an INSURANCE company, some paper-pushers, would try to get inbetween a PHYSICIAN and his/her treatment of a patient. And that happens, with millions of ppl, every day. It's one of the ways insurance companies make money and get to pay their execs MILLIONS and millions in bonuses.

:::snipped for brevity:::.

But, really, is anyone who has insurance coverage, really happy with it? Because I have never met anyone who was.


First of all, if you can enlist your doctors’ support for your claim, you have a better chance of successfully challenging a claim. Obviously, your "sleep expert" doesn't feel it necessary to go to bat for you.

If you are really having this problem, then I suggest you give this org. a call:

Consumer Coalition for Quality Health Care
1275 K St. NW, Ste. 602
Washington, DC 20005
Phone: 202-789-3606
Web site: http://www.consumers.org

Lunesta is giving discounts:

http://www.lunesta.com/dreamkit/lunesta-savings.html?iid=body_lunestaSavings


BTW, you are wrong:

Controlled Substance Class
LUNESTA is a Schedule IV controlled substance under the Controlled Substances Act. Other substances under the same classification are benzodiazepines and the nonbenzodiazepine hypnotics zaleplon and zolpidem. While eszopiclone is a hypnotic agent with a chemical structure unrelated to benzodiazepines, it shares some of the pharmacologic properties of the benzodiazepines.


LINK (-http://www.rxlist.com/lunesta-drug.htm)

I :wub: my health care plan. The choice belongs to ME!

[PoppySeeds]

Yes. I've always had BC/BS and they've been fantastic.

imo

I totally agree! I have BC/BS and I LOVE them. My youngest has some very signifigant health issues, and I have NEVER paid more than my co-pay for any of his care. I would not trade the coverage I have for anything in the world, if the choice were to remain mine.

[TBIBeg]

LINK (http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/05/boxer-protesters-too-well-dressed-to-be-sincere/)

:rolleyes:

And this my fellow Americans is how we minions are viewed by those in power.

WAKE UP!

[daniel green]

First of all, if you can enlist your doctors’ support for your claim, you have a better chance of successfully challenging a claim. Obviously, your "sleep expert" doesn't feel it necessary to go to bat for you.

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Oh, bless your heart, my sleep expert went on the NEWS to bat not only for me, but for the millions of ppl being denied payment for it by BCBS of NC. :rolleyes: And did you read the part in my post where I not only challenged it but sent a news reporter and photog to theri Exec Offices in CHill? :rolleyes:

It is against TOS to make personally harrassing posts or to bash posters, btw.

[Veritas]

And this my fellow Americans is how we minions are viewed by those in power.

WAKE UP!

Should those that protest this party protest unbathed and wear dirty clothes? Do they realize they are "profiling" people and assigning them stereotypical labels. Isn't that wrong? Didn't Obama just tell the Cambridge police they were stupid for doing just this very thing?


The middle class is mad. The only change they are seeing is bad going to worse!
JMHO

[daniel green]

Gay Ga Zinta Hate. :smile:

I so wish I could speak Yiddish. I know the few random phrases, but being Sephardic, we never grew up with it. But love that saying!

[daniel green]

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While eszopiclone is a hypnotic agent with a chemical structure unrelated to benzodiazepines, it shares some of the pharmacologic properties of the benzodiazepines.

LINK (-http://www.rxlist.com/lunesta-drug.htm)

The choice belongs to ME!

So you are OK with an insurance company NOT paying for the medicine that one's own private physician Rxs???? :confused::scared::ohmy:

[Veritas]

Oh, bless your heart, my sleep expert went on the NEWS to bat not only for me, but for the millions of ppl being denied payment for it by BCBS of NC. :rolleyes: And did you read the part in my post where I not only challenged it but sent a news reporter and photog to theri Exec Offices in CHill? :rolleyes:

It is against TOS to make personally harrassing posts or to bash posters, btw.

Link to news story, please.

I did not harass you. I advised you in a polite manner and even supplied you with links to save YOU money.

[Freedom1]

I do not think they dressed too nice, I think they were fake, I think the lady in the white shirt was one of the leaders of the group, sad that republicans have to resort to such despicable tactics imo

LOL . . . you thought what was fake?

Yeah, it's a shame people have to resort to such tactics as asking questions.

[Freedom1]

of course it is ok, if some are spreading lies and disinformation, then the people have the right to the truth, they can use this email address to make sure the lies and disinformation is addressed

You kill me. Haha. I'm a big girl. If I have a question or concern about the socialist health care plan that the President is trying to literally ram down my throat in a few weeks, I'll ask, I'll shout if I have to, but I don't need anybody forwarding my email address to the fascist government to set me straight. Thank you very much for the offer though. :scared:

[daniel green]

because you pay the same copay for 20 pills as you would 31

Actually, BCBS of NC, that well-known NONPROFIT, in its quest to serve their policy holders so well, and pad their pockets, gave us all $5,000 deductibles.

So, up and until the time one gets to the $5K, the insured must pay the full cost of any uncovered medicine.

[flareon]

Priceless. We should really confuse them now by having several dress up and several dress down.....what would they have to believe then??

Seriously, if anyone attends a meeting/party/protest, wear whatever you want. We actually DO NOT co-ordinate these things!!!

They are a funny bunch. Unless it is something orchestrated by them with matching T-shirts I guess they don't think it has relevance.

[daniel green]

Gay ga zunta hate = Go in good health

imo

Yes, I know. I love that saying.:smile: It's one of the only ones I know.

[Lady_Jean_La]

White House Web War

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=white+house&qs=n&docid=1158312362261&mid=3121ACDF4124C70E6F7A3121ACDF4124C70E6F7A&FORM=VIVR2#

[daniel green]

Link to news story, please.

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Surely you are not asking for a link which includes my real name and personal info? :ohmy:

[Veritas]

So you are OK with an insurance company NOT paying for the medicine that one's own private physician Rxs???? :confused::scared::ohmy:


They are not paying for your prescription for some reason unbeknowest to me. I think it has more to do with diagnosis and need then BCBS just not wanting to pay.

Long term Lunesta use can cause psychiatric disturbance. BCBS has your best interests in heart if they are limiting your intake, IMO.

LINK (http://www.medicinenet.com/eszopiclone/article.htm)

Lunesta is not a drug that you would die without. There are other sleep aids and techniques to sleep. Obviously, BCBS of NY is aware of this.

JMHO

[daniel green]

They are not paying for your prescription for some reason unbeknowest to me. I think it has more to do with diagnosis and need then BCBS just not wanting to pay.

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Call them and find out. They have an 800 number. They only pay for 20 pills for EVERY SINGLE PATIENT/INSURED IN THE US WHO HAS BEEN RXD LUNESTA or Ambien or AmbienCR by their doctors.

It has nothing to do with a DX, which clearly can only be insomnia.

[Veritas]

Surely you are not asking for a link which includes my real name and personal info? :ohmy:

You stated this doctor went on the news for millions of New Yorkers protesting them not paying for Lunesta.

I did not ask for your name or personal info anywhere in my post. I asked for a news story which is public record, TYVM. Nice twist. :rolleyes:

JMHO

[daniel green]

DRUG NAME
(active ingredient) Medication Class Tier Generic Available Average Cost/Rx Other Treatments Notes
LUNESTA
(eszopiclone) hypnotic agents 3 no generic $96 Review options Benefit limits may apply.

http://www.bcbsnc.com/apps/drugsearchweb/drugSearch.faces

There is quite a list of meds (ALL WHICH HAVE BEEN RXd by a private physician to a patient) that BCBS of NC doesn't cover.

Try getting them, for instance, to cover Procrit.

[daniel green]

You stated this doctor went on the news for millions of New Yorkers protesting them not paying for Lunesta.

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North Carolinians.

[daniel green]

Tier 4 (Specialty drugs)


Medications classified by BCBSNC as those which require special dosing or administering, are typically prescribed by a specialist and are more expensive than most medications
Highest copayment or coinsurance amount

This list was last updated on 5/8/09.

Growth-Stimulating Drugs

GENOTROPIN Somatropin injection
INCRELEX Mecasermin injection
IPLEX Mecasermin rinfabate injection
SAIZEN Somatropin injection
SEROSTIM Somatropin injection
TEV-TROPIN Somatropin injection
ZORBTIVE Somatropin injection

Anti-Infectives

CYTOVENE (brand only) Ganciclovir capsule
DECLOMYCIN (brand only) Demeclocycline tablet
NOXAFIL Posaconazole oral suspension
VFEND Voriconazole tablet, oral susp


Infertility
BRAVELLE Urofollitropin injection
CETROTIDE Cetrorelix acetate injection
ENDOMETRIN Progesterone micronized insert
FOLLISTIM Follitropin beta injection
FOLLISTIM AQ Follitropin beta injection
GANIRELIX ACETATE Ganirelix acetate injection
GONAL-F Follitropin alfa injection
GONAL-F RFF Follitropin alfa injection
LUVERIS Lutropin alfa injection
MENOPUR Menotropins injection
NOVAREL (brand only Chorionic gonadotropin injection
OVIDREL Choriogonadotropin alfa injection
PREGNYL (brand only) Chorionic gonadotropin injection
PROFASI (brand only) Chorionic gonadotropin injection
REPRONEX Menotropins injection
Rheumatoid Arthritis / Psoriasis / Crohn's Disease
ARAVA (brand only) Leflunomide tablet
CIMZIA Certolizumab pegol injection
HUMIRA Adalimumab injection
KINERET Anakinra injection
SIMPONI Golimumab injection

Hepatitis C
REBETOL CAPSULE (brand only) Ribavirin capsule
COPEGUS (brand only) Ribavirin tablet
ROFERON-A Interferon alfa-2a

Anticoagulants
ARIXTRA Fondaparinux injection
FRAGMIN Dalteparin injection
INNOHEP Tinzaparin injection

Blood Modifiers
EPOGEN Epoetin alfa injection
LEUKINE Sargramostim injection
MOZOBIL Plerixafor injection
NEULASTA Pegfilgrastim injection
PROCRIT Epoetin alfa injection

Oncology
AFINITOR Everolimus tablet
FASLODEX Fulvestrant injection
HYCAMTIN Topotecan capsule
LUPRON (brand only) Leuprolide acetate injection
TASIGNA Nilotinib capsule
VEPESID (brand only) Etoposide capsule
ZOLINZA Vorinostat capsule

Antiemetics
ANZEMET Dolasetron tablet
CESAMET Nabilone capsule
KYTRIL (brand only) Granisetron tablet, oral solution

Dermatology
ACCUTANE (brand only) Isotretinoin capsule
REGRANEX Becaplermin gel

Miscellaneous
ACTHAR H.P. Repository corticotropin injection
ACTIQ (brand only) Fentanyl lozenge
ARCALYST Rilonacept injection
D.H.E. 45 (brand only) Dihydroergotamine injection
EXJADE Deferasirox tablets
FENTORA Fentanyl buccal tablet
FORTEO Teriparatide injection
KUVAN Sapropterin soluble tablet
PROMACTA Eltrombopag olamine tablet
RELISTOR Methylnaltrexone bromide injection
REVIA (brand only) Naltrexone tablet
SOMATULINE DEPOT Lanreotide acetate injection
SYNAREL Nafarelin acetate nasal solution
THYROGEN Thyrotropin alfa injection
XENAZINE Tetrabenazine tablet

[daniel green]

If it is working for you then I think it would be worth the price. I know you realize that there are regulations within the health field for good reasons and they must be adhered to. IMO Lunestra could be an addictive medication, psychologically if not physically and a patient should be monitored.
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Oh, I do pay it. As I stated, my husband I are fortunate to be able to pay it.

BTW, the medical field has made no such findings. It is a non-addictive, effective medicine, for the treatment of insomnia.

The folks who have decided to NOT PAY it for their insureds is the insurance companies--along with slews of other meds.

Here is the thing. My doctors, including my internist and sleep doc and rheumatologist (I was DXd with MS years ago) all agree I need to take it to be able to sleep.

See how that works? I go in once every month for ongoing treatment and ckups. It is between MY health care professionals/physicians AND me.

And then in comes the insurance company (google the bonus the CEO of the nonprofit BCBS of NC made the last few yrs), not their docs, but their business folks, and make a decision on my health care.

How crazy is that?

For the millions of Americans who have to deal with that sort of denial? I take Procrit, as well, and they never pay for it. I pay $120 for it each time.

It is not about health care to an insurance company, it is about money.
Period.

[Veritas]

http://www.bcbsnc.com/apps/drugsearchweb/drugSearch.faces

There is quite a list of meds (ALL WHICH HAVE BEEN RXd by a private physician to a patient) that BCBS of NC doesn't cover.

Try getting them, for instance, to cover Procrit.


If a physician feels it is medically necessary to exceed quantity limitations on your medication, they must get prior approval from BCBSNC at 1-800-672-7897 before a higher quantity will be covered.

Call your doctor and give him/her this number.

Also, it says in the insurance literature that Benefit limits may apply.

There are generic sleep aids available to you if you are unhappy with your coverage relating to the Lunesta.

HYPNOTIC AGENTS
Choosing over-the-counter (OTC) or generic medications where available could save you as much as $15 to $30, depending on your prescription drug benefit. If your drug is listed as Tier 4 with no OTC or generic available, share this list with your physician to find out if a Tier 1, Tier 2 or Tier 3 alternative is right for you. Your doctor always makes the final decision about your medication.

Your doctor could be saving you money.

JMHO

[Roux]

of course it is ok, if some are spreading lies and disinformation, then the people have the right to the truth, they can use this email address to make sure the lies and disinformation is addressed

If some are "spreading lies and disinformation," then why don't Obama and the Democrats just give us straight answers to legitimate questions? Instead they give us obfuscation and spin. Obama's press conference was a complete waste of time and did nothing to clear up these purported misconceptions.

There are lies and disinformation but they're not coming from concerned citizens.

[daniel green]

I'm not really sure what a "sleep doc" is. snipped

A physician, usually a neurologist, who is a specialist on sleep disorders.

Sleep medicine is a medical subspecialty devoted to the diagnosis and therapy of sleep disturbances and disorders. From the middle of the 20th century, research has provided increasing knowledge and answered many questions about sleep-wake functioning.[1] The rapidly evolving field[2] has become a recognized subspecialty within several medical specialties, and dental sleep medicine also qualifies for board certification in some countries. Properly organized, minimum 12-month, postgraduate training programs are still being defined in the United States.[3][4] In some countries, the sleep researchers and the doctors who treat patients may be the same people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_medicine

[Veritas]

Oh, I do pay it. As I stated, my husband I are fortunate to be able to pay it.

BTW, the medical field has made no such findings. It is a non-addictive, effective medicine, for the treatment of insomnia.

The folks who have decided to NOT PAY it for their insureds is the insurance companies--along with slews of other meds.

Here is the thing. My doctors, including my internist and sleep doc and rheumatologist (I was DXd with MS years ago) all agree I need to take it to be able to sleep.

See how that works? I go in once every month for ongoing treatment and ckups. It is between MY health care professionals/physicians AND me.

And then in comes the insurance company (google the bonus the CEO of the nonprofit BCBS of NC made the last few yrs), not their docs, but their business folks, and make a decision on my health care.

How crazy is that?

For the millions of Americans who have to deal with that sort of denial? I take Procrit, as well, and they never pay for it. I pay $120 for it each time.

It is not about health care to an insurance company, it is about money.
Period.

Lunesta is a controlled substance and may be habit-forming. Abuse or dependence with Lunesta is more likely to occur when higher doses are used for long periods of time and in people with a history of drug or alcohol addiction. If you have an addiction problem, talk to your healthcare provider before taking Lunesta.

LINK (http://insomnia.emedtv.com/lunesta/lunesta-warnings-and-precautions.html)

Procrit offers assistance:

LINK (http://www.procritline.com/patientassist/intro.jsp)

Financial Assistance for Your Multiple Sclerosis Medications

LINK (http://www.healthcentral.com/multiple-sclerosis/c/19065/75767/medica)

[daniel green]

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I hope you are aware that Procrit can lead to extremely serious side effects and death?


The unchecked anemia is what is lethal.

I am quite aware that the Rxing physician, who is a hematologist, knows all about it.

And SHE has decided that is the best course of treatment.

The insurance companies have decided, that since it costs around $110-150 month, they won't cover it.

It is that easy.

When I hear ppl talk about the govt making decisions and not your doctors I have to ask myself if they know anything about the day to day management of insurance corporations and how they deny the health care coverage that physicians Rx for their patients.

Odd.

[daniel green]

LINK (http://insomnia.emedtv.com/lunesta/lunesta-warnings-and-precautions.html)

Procrit offers assistance:

LINK (http://www.procritline.com/patientassist/intro.jsp)

Financial Assistance for Your Multiple Sclerosis Medications

LINK (http://www.healthcentral.com/multiple-sclerosis/c/19065/75767/medica)

Not sure why you are posting those? What is the point? :confused:

[daniel green]

Despite the fact that sleep apnea is listed in the differential diagnosis of insomnia in the textbook, Principles and Practice of Sleep Medicine,2 clinicians are taught that most patients with insomnia do not need polysomnography. Moreover, the majority of insurance companies will not pay for a sleep study if it is ordered as part of an insomnia evaluation. The findings of Krakow et al suggest this position may need review.

http://www.chestjournal.org/content/120/6/1768.full

[daniel green]

http://www.health.com/health/condition-article/0,,20189069_2,00.html

[Veritas]

Not sure why you are posting those? What is the point? :confused:

The point is that there is healthcare aid available for EVERYONE.

These were posted to help YOU. These cover what insurance doesn't.

My husband takes medication that our insurance partially covers. He gets assistance from the pharm company that makes the drug. This is a free service provided to ALL Americans that need help getting their medicines.

Surely you knew that.


Look what else there is:

LINK (http://findahealthcenter.hrsa.gov/)

LINK (http://www.patientassistance.com/)


I wonder if Obama knows about these programs?

JMHO

[Roux]

"UnitedHealth Group pays $50 million to settle fraud allegations"

http://www.google.com/search?q=united+health+care+fraud&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

It's very easy to cast insurance companies as the boogie man. They have certainly made excessive profits and paid excessive salaries, as well as blaming doctors and hospitals. These issues should be addressed in health care reform, but not used as an excuse to get people on board with the current proposal.

[daniel green]

What supplies and medications are covered?
Your doctor, nurse, or educator can give you a sense of what you’ll need in the months to come. When you check with your insurance company, you’ll want to find out how many test strips per month are covered under your policy. This may vary depending on whether or not you are on insulin. For many diabetes supplies, your policy may cover only certain brands. So before you buy that less expensive blood glucose meter or are given one free of charge, make sure the test strips that go with it are covered.

Ask also about insulin, type 2 medications, lancets, syringes, insulin pens, insulin pumps, continuous glucose monitoring systems (CGMs), and any other supplies you need. Many insurance companies don’t yet cover CGMs. You may have to try writing, calling, sending copies of bills, and getting a doctor’s note (or a “letter of medical necessity”) to argue your case for getting the device covered. Many plans also require “prior authorization” of certain prescription drugs, including paperwork from your doctor explaining why you need the medication. Note that many employers use one insurer for health care coverage and another for prescription drugs. Make sure that nothing you need falls through the cracks between the two.

What tests are covered?
See if your insurance company covers the tests you need regularly: A1C, lipid panel, metabolic panel, microal*buminuria test, and eye exam. Many plans will cover A1C tests only two or three times a year, leaving you to pay out of pocket for any extra tests that your doctor recommends. Your policy may also cover a test only if you wait a minimum number of days between tests.

http://forecast.diabetes.org/magazine/features/what-covered

[daniel green]

The point is that there is healthcare aid available for EVERYONE.

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If you qualify for the assistance, which my husband and I never would.

[daniel green]

My husband takes medication that our insurance partially covers. snipped

As do millions and millions and millions and millions of other insured Americans.

Which is part of the problem.

[Veritas]

http://www.chestjournal.org/content/120/6/1768.full



BCBSNC will provide coverage for Sleep Apnea and Breathing Related Sleep Disorders Diagnosis and
Treatment in Adults age 18 and older when it is determined to be medically necessary because the
medical criteria and guidelines shown below are met.

LINK (http://www.bcbsnc.com/assets/services/public/pdfs/medicalpolicy/sleep_apnea_and_breathing_related_sleep_disorders. pdf)

:thumbsup:

[Veritas]

If you qualify for the assistance, which my husband and I never would.

We own a business and he qualifies. :confused:

I sense that you just don't want to try. You'd rather complain. JMHO

[daniel green]

LINK (http://www.bcbsnc.com/assets/services/public/pdfs/medicalpolicy/sleep_apnea_and_breathing_related_sleep_disorders. pdf)

:thumbsup:

Terrific.

I don't have sleep apnea, thank goodness.

[Veritas]

http://forecast.diabetes.org/magazine/features/what-covered

Diabetes supplies are usually covered under the DME portion of your insurance plan coverage. (testing strips, lancets, syringes, etc...)

Insulin is covered under prescription coverage.

Look what is available to ALL Americans:

LINK (http://www.isletsofhope.com/diabetes/assistance-programs/main_1.html)


and:

LINK (http://www.diabetesnet.com/diabetes_treatments/diabetes_assistance.php)

[flareon]

The point is that there is healthcare aid available for EVERYONE.

These were posted to help YOU. These cover what insurance doesn't.

My husband takes medication that our insurance partially covers. He gets assistance from the pharm company that makes the drug. This is a free service provided to ALL Americans that need help getting their medicines.

Surely you knew that.


Look what else there is:

LINK (http://findahealthcenter.hrsa.gov/)

LINK (http://www.patientassistance.com/)


I wonder if Obama knows about these programs?

JMHO

But everyone knows the government can do it so much better. Look at their success rate on other endeavors.

The thing I don't understand is how anyone can think there will be any cost savings if every drug a person could want, any alternative treatment and an additional amount of people will be mandated to be covered by insurance companies.

This is just more proof that this will just cost people more money as well as explode the deficit/debt.

[daniel green]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-08-04/the-right-wing-lie-machine/?cid=bsa:archive11

[daniel green]

I didn't pick up on your slang 'sleep doc', haven't heard an MD called that.
IMO

No problem.

[daniel green]

In that case, you'll have to get onboard a govt run plan if it passes and pay for some of your drugs yourself. I know you don't think the govt is going to pay for the more expensive drugs.
IMO

Huh? :confused:

As I have said many times, we have no problem paying for the meds. What I do have a serious problem is for the millions of Americans who are not as fortunate.

And, yeah, I do believe that pvt insurance companies will have to be better to their insureds and be more efficient as they have to be competitive.

[daniel green]

Then what are you complaining about?

imo

Not complaining.

I was originally answering your post re everyone being happy with their health care, if they are insured.

[Brentwood]

Some people may like their insurance until they really need it, then the insurance company does everything in their power to deny them.

We need single payer.

[daniel green]

in 10 to 15 years I am sure most people will look back on history and not understand why anyone would be against a single payer system

I quite agree.

[Barbara2]

in 10 to 15 years I am sure most people will look back on history and not understand why anyone would be against a single payer system

Is that what is being presented in this health care bill?

[Brentwood]

in 10 to 15 years I am sure most people will look back on history and not understand why anyone would be against a single payer system

I think we will eventually get their....but the rw is fighting hard for the profits of the insurance companies, etc. What really puzzles me is why some are so uninformed that they vote against their own best interest.

[fiver]

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/04/white-house-uses-video-to-battle-disinformation/
The only false claim is the claim coming from the WH that anything was spliced together or taken out of context. It's also a real shame that Obama and his Admin haven't bothered to read any of the legislation being debated in either house.

It's also a shame that Obama won't even own up to what he has said.

[fiver]

many do not have a choice of health care (employer provided is it, read or not, your stuck with it) and if you get layed off, and have used your insurance your gonna have preconditions and not be able to get new insurance unless you get it from a new employer as no one will want you
Not true, not all states allow ins co's to refuse coverage based on pre-existing conditions. Since Congress has the power to mandate this at a federal level, why don't they do that instead of trying to completely overhaul the entire industry.

[fiver]

I think we will eventually get their....but the rw is fighting hard for the profits of the insurance companies, etc. What really puzzles me is why some are so uninformed that they vote against their own best interest.
Excuse me, but I AM informed and I know what is in my own best interest, I don't need the Govt mandating it to me.

And like 80% of Americans, I'm satisfied with my health insurance coverage.

[fiver]

in 10 to 15 years I am sure most people will look back on history and not understand why anyone would be against a single payer system

No, they will look back and wonder why anyone would think the Govt could run the health insurance industry or why anyone would think the Govt upending an entire industry was a good idea.

Oh, and destroy millions of jobs in the process and end up not saving a single dime.

[fiver]

They have. The US Dept of Labor.

http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/health-plans/portability.htm
well gee, then why is Obama saying we need something we already have?

It can't be because he doesn't know what the laws are, can it?

[flareon]

well gee, then why is Obama saying we need something we already have?

It can't be because he doesn't know what the laws are, can it?

Boy, you don't really think he just talks for the sake of it without knowing all of the facts. :biggrin:

[RedSocksFan]

I think people are smart enough to know whether they like their insurance or not. :rolleyes:

imo

LOL, are you trying to disillusion the liberals? All the liberal programs seem to be built on the assumption that people do not know what's good for them. We need to be told how to live our lives since we aren't even smart enough to decide how to spend our own money. We're so dumb we can't even choose the right food to eat. What makes you think we're capable of choosing insurance? :biggrin:

[Adalena935]

Frankly, you've nailed in my opinion. I believe Obama embraces the marxist philosophy since before the election. That's what Liberation Theology is. It's been written about for some time. I understand some people embrace this form of government , while others don't know what they voted for. Maybe some never will.

http://www.christendom-awake.org/pages/ratzinger/liberationtheol.htm

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/05/obama_black_liberation_theolog.html

[Adalena935]

LOL, are you trying to disillusion the liberals? All the liberal programs seem to be built on the assumption that people do not know what's good for them. We need to be told how to live our lives since we aren't even smart enough to decide how to spend our own money. We're so dumb we can't even choose the right food to eat. What makes you think we're capable of choosing insurance? :biggrin:

I think the govt wants the money. In this WH blog entry it calls it disinformation that in the health care bill the govt gives themselves permission to dip into our bank accounts. It's not misinformation. It spells it out starting line 21, page 57.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/08/05/kevin-mccullough-white-house-disinformation/

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.txt.pdf

Page 59, Lines 21 - 24
continues on page 60

But don't forget boys & girls, if Obama says is't disinformation, then by golly why believe our lying eyes.

[flareon]

LOL, are you trying to disillusion the liberals? All the liberal programs seem to be built on the assumption that people do not know what's good for them. We need to be told how to live our lives since we aren't even smart enough to decide how to spend our own money. We're so dumb we can't even choose the right food to eat. What makes you think we're capable of choosing insurance? :biggrin:

That seems to be the Democrat's way or else is always used as an excuse for someone's bad choices. Think of people being too stupid to understand credit card terms, mortgage balloon payments and terms, property insurance coverage, etc.

[Adalena935]

Anybody think the govt will make mistakes while dipping into personal bank accounts?

Liberals detested war.

Obama has expanded the war and now will soon begin dipping into their personal bank accounts. But don't forget boys & gurls, it's only for your own good.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29242187/

Obama OKs 17,000 new troops for Afghanistan
Additional Marines, Army soldiers expected to deploy in coming months

[flareon]

The uninformed who made up the vast majority of BOs constituency couldn't spell Marxist if you spotted them the M and the t.


:smile:

Well, it is one of the harder two syllable words. :biggrin:

[Adalena935]

The uninformed who made up the vast majority of BOs constituency couldn't spell Marxist if you spotted them the M and the t. :smile:

I don't know. A lot of college kids voted for him who've never worked or paid taxes. They're about to though. I believe there are those who want this for the US. Some will never recognize it I think. Over the years I've had many people tell me it can't happen in the U.S. and I know they believe that when they say it. It seems far fetched to them.

One promise Obama is meeting; change. I knew what he meant when he said it.

[RedSocksFan]

I think the govt wants the money. In this WH blog entry it calls it disinformation that in the health care bill the govt gives themselves permission to dip into our bank accounts. It's not misinformation. It spells it out starting line 21, page 57.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/08/05/kevin-mccullough-white-house-disinformation/

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.txt.pdf

Page 59, Lines 21 - 24
continues on page 60

But don't forget boys & girls, if Obama says is't disinformation, then by golly why believe our lying eyes.


Exactly, you can either listen to what the liberals are saying or just read the bill yourself and it's all spelled out in front of you.

If the WH wants all disinformation reported, then we need to report them.

This article quotes Barney Frank,
“I think that if we get a good public option it could lead to single-payer and that is the best way to reach single-payer.”

And Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-IL)
“And next to me was a guy from the insurance company who argued against the public health insurance option, saying it wouldn’t let private insurance compete. That a public option will put the private insurance industry out of business and lead to single-payer. My single-payer friends, he was right. The man was right.”

Morning Bell: The People Spreading “Disinformation” About Obamacare
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/08/05/morning-bell-the-people-spreading-disinformation-about-obamacare/

[RedSocksFan]

Are we supposed to think that a blog on heritage is anything more than a right wing, biased opinion?

moo

The quotes by Frank and Schakowsky are not the writer's opinions. They are simply quotes by Frank and Schakowsky. I take it you have a problem with what they said?? I know I sure do.

Same goes for what is in the bill. I don't care what this administration is saying about it. Read it and like it or don't like it. What's written in the bill is the only thing that matters and it sure doesn't coincide with what they are trying to sell us. It's like reading the fine print in any contract. Ignore what the salesman says and look at what is really there. It's not the same as the sales pitch.

[flareon]

Exactly, you can either listen to what the liberals are saying or just read the bill yourself and it's all spelled out in front of you.

If the WH wants all disinformation reported, then we need to report them.

This article quotes Barney Frank,


And Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-IL)


Morning Bell: The People Spreading “Disinformation” About Obamacare
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/08/05/morning-bell-the-people-spreading-disinformation-about-obamacare/

That's exactly the problem. Obama is not being truthful about what his true goal is and the Congress is trying to backdoor this just the way they backdoor taxes and fees in a cowardly way.

Everyone knows exactly what a public option will mean. It will be subsidized by the government to the point of running the insurance companies out of business and then when they are the only game in town the fees will be raised to the level they were with the insurance companies.

It's funny that this is being touted by the same people who demonized Walmart for running stores out of business due to their mass buying power. At least they did it in an honest way using competition and not on the backs of the taxpayers.

[MiamiNice1]

That's exactly the problem. Obama is not being truthful about what his true goal is and the Congress is trying to backdoor this just the way they backdoor taxes and fees in a cowardly way.

Everyone knows exactly what a public option will mean. It will be subsidized by the government to the point of running the insurance companies out of business and then when they are the only game in town the fees will be raised to the level they were with the insurance companies.

It's funny that this is being touted by the same people who demonized Walmart for running stores out of business due to their mass buying power. At least they did it in an honest way using competition and not on the backs of the taxpayers.
Bravo! Excellent post!

I'm just so happy that this drama will now play out amongst the people....you know, us, the people who will be paying - that it will not be mindlessly pushed through.

We, the people, now have the time to contact our Representatives and give them the earful they need to hear about the Obama admnistration's plans.

imo

[RedSocksFan]

NEWS FLASH!! It's going through. Right wing, aka: GOP, aka: RNC can't stop it.

BTW, only 7 states out of 50 are solidly Repub. :lol: Gotta love that. I just don't think you all have the "numbers" to get much of anything done. :thumbsup:

mo

This isn't Democrats vs Republicans. Many Democrats are NOT on board, which is what caused the delay, remember? If all Democrats wanted this, they would have it because they didn't need any Republicans. While Democrats may be the majority in Washington, they are not all liberal. Fortunately for the country, LIBERALS are in the minority.

And now they want tattletales to report people who don't agree. I don't care what Obama or any of them say. The truth is in the bill, which many haven't read, and that is all that matters. Some of the things written in that bill do not go along with what many of them are out there saying. So report that! I haven't heard a single supporter of this bill quote any of it!!!!

Obama seems intolerant of people who do not agree. I am disappointed to see the complaints and people being called angry mobs for asking legitimate questions. I remember seeing Bush in an interview and the reporter asked him about some protesters during one of his appearances. Did he want them reported, call them angry mobs or otherwise diss them? NO. What he said was basically, hey, we live in a free country and you have the right to protest, even against the president. It's a wonderful country because of this.

I hate to see it end because we have an administration who can't take criticism. And I am sick and tired of so many congress members who are supporting this bill even though they admit they haven't read it. Did you see Spector addressing a question to a constituent and he was defensive because he didn't think he should be expected to read a 1,000 page bill. Gosh, they would need lawyers to even understand it. Yet they are supporting it? This is crazy to listen to them knowing that they don't even know what they will be voting on. I heard part of an interview on the news where one congress woman stated that while they were going over some details with health care experts (to accomodate opposers), she didn't want to "get bogged down with details". Excuse me, but the details are the only thing that matter. I am furious that so many congress members are remaining ignorant of those details and yet still support this. Talk about some following party lines. Try listening to the people for once. We are speaking, but with the president and his administration trying to label dissenters as angry mobs, there is no unity, no communication and no exchange of ideas. Is this what we can expect from him for the next 4 years?

All IMHO

[Freedom1]

Loved your post Redsoxman. Great. You capture what a lot of us are feeling right now.

[Veritas]

LINK (http://blog.heritage.org/2009/08/05/morning-bell-the-people-spreading-disinformation-about-obamacare/)


Americans deserve an honest debate about health care. President Obama, Barney Frank, and Jan Schakowsky cannot all be right. Either the President is wrong when he says his plan will not lead to government-run health care, or Frank and Schakowsky are spreading disinformation when they tell their single payer advocate base that it will. So let’s help the White House out. Do email flag@whitehouse.gov and let the White House know you’ve seen something “fishy” on the web about health care reform.


Excellent!:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Lady_Jean_La]

Great idea! :thumbsup:

[Circe]

LINK (http://blog.heritage.org/2009/08/05/morning-bell-the-people-spreading-disinformation-about-obamacare/)





Excellent!:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Oh, but haven't you heard........this is just another of Obama's tactics to take over the world by turning everyone into good little Nazis. Or something.

(Of course, when we were encouraged to call about anything "fishy" we heard anyone say after 911.......that was totally different.)

[Brat2002]

Hmm.....

Let me think about this.

One involved a foreign, physical threat to the safety and security of the US.

The other involved a Partisan Political Program being pushed by a President.

Yep, different.

BTW, I don't remember Bush imploring the populace to snitch via email, do you?

:confused:

Apparently they equate people discussing possible plans to launch a terror attack with people asking each other if they will get to keep their current insurance if they switch jobs. Yea, about the same as far as our country's security being at risk. :rolleyes:

My question is: Just how will they handle the information the snitches give them? (where in history have we seen a leader asking citizens to snitch on the opinions held by their neighbors?) Before, I assume they would investigate reports of possible terrorist activity. How will they investigate this? Gain access to our computers or have the snitches wear a wire and get us to repeat that we don't like socialism and believe this plan will lead to single payer health care? Then we'll get called before a committee and questioned as to where we heard this. When we name Democrats who said it, will they be investigated and maybe punished for saying those things? When we refer to the actual health care bill, will those who wrote it be in the hot seat? So many questions. I'm wondering how many of our posts here on this board will end up in the permanent file of emails sent to the WH. You know, they have to keep all correspondence, right? Years from now, will people will amazed that the American public was able to speak so freely at one time and question our leaders, or will common sense prevail and they will simply be shocked that we were watched by our own elected officials for exercising our freedom?

Has anyone seen the health care symbol? It looks like Obama's O campaign symbol with a few things added. It reminds me of something from history and I can't quite place it. Hmmmm

IMO

[rubberneckin]

http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kxxv/docs/cornynletter.pdf