View Full Version : Michelle Young Unsolved Case 33 months later
Kat4Eagles
08-03-2009, 08:54 PM
Wow, 33 months later amd still no arrest !!
I remember reading about mountains and mountains of circumstantial evidence and an imminent arrest := apparently not..........
I wonder what happened.
:shrug:
Kat
Barbara2
08-03-2009, 08:58 PM
:tonguewag: You just couldn't stand it, could you.
Kat4Eagles
08-03-2009, 09:08 PM
:tonguewag: You just couldn't stand it, could you.
Hey, I tried!!
Didn't take you long to answer either, I wonder if anyone else is still following this.
Tonite is the 33rd month mark.
I am waiting for that BIG break in this slam dunk case that was supposed to happen almost 3 years ago..a case that was supposed to be so high profiled and exciting to follow.....
Turned out to be not so big or exciting afterall.
RIP Michelle.
:shrug:
Kat
Leanne Weich
08-03-2009, 09:34 PM
Hey, I tried!!
Didn't take you long to answer either, I wonder if anyone else is still following this.
Tonite is the 33rd month mark.
I am waiting for that BIG break in this slam dunk case that was supposed to happen almost 3 years ago..a case that was supposed to be so high profiled and exciting to follow.....
Turned out to be not so big or exciting afterall.
RIP Michelle.
:shrug:
Kat
The core group of followers are still following this and, believe you me, I don't think they think it is exciting. Since when, and in what universe, is a murder case exciting? JMHO
Kat4Eagles
08-03-2009, 09:48 PM
The core group of followers are still following this and, believe you me, I don't think they think it is exciting. Since when, and in what universe, is a murder case exciting? JMHO
There really isn't that much to follow....:(
All those predictions and promises of an imminent arrest never happened...
Murder cases can be exciting when something actually happens in one, I can see what you mean though, pertaining to this one.......!!
This Board could have been re~opened at any time, by anyone...btw.
:shrug:
Kat
Leanne Weich
08-03-2009, 10:17 PM
There really isn't that much to follow....:(
All those predictions and promises of an imminent arrest never happened...
Murder cases can be exciting when something actually happens in one, I can see what you mean though, pertaining to this one.......!!
This Board could have been re~opened at any time, by anyone...btw.
:shrug:
Kat
I'm well aware that anyone could have opened a thread on this subject but, quite frankly, with nothing new to report, it seemed futile.
I never pay any attention to predictions and, quite honestly, a promise by an anonymous poster about anything is not anything I'd ever rely on.
Excitement is not something I'd associate with a murder case although I must admit I do get excited (in a sense I guess) when a a murderer is arrested and ultimately convicted.
janesdeaan
08-03-2009, 11:54 PM
I'm well aware that anyone could have opened a thread on this subject but, quite frankly, with nothing new to report, it seemed futile.
I never pay any attention to predictions and, quite honestly, a promise by an anonymous poster about anything is not anything I'd ever rely on.
Excitement is not something I'd associate with a murder case although I must admit I do get excited (in a sense I guess) when a a murderer is arrested and ultimately convicted.
Hi Leanne, good to see you. I'm with you on this posters odd choice of words considering an innocent young pregnant mother was brutally killed and the crime goes unsolved. But, I think we all knew there were some definite quirks abounding (understatement). I can't believe there hasn't even been any word from LE on the status of this case or with JY, although I did read that August was the month for action. There's one for the news starved poster to grab and run with. Hope to be posting with you soon concerning JY's ultimate arrest/conviction, take care.
btw, I e-mailed Donnie Harrison about a month ago, requesting an update on the status of the case, no answer (shocking, huh ?)
The core group of followers are still following this and, believe you me, I don't think they think it is exciting. Since when, and in what universe, is a murder case exciting? JMHO
Hi Leanne!!!!
You are right! Michelle's case is still VERY much being followed....and there are some new developments. Exciting??? No. Very sad. Those seeking justice for Michelle and Rylan are still VERY active and will continue to be until Jason is arrested.
JMO and all that..........
Barbara2
08-06-2009, 10:39 PM
http://www.ncwanted.com/
He didn't speak so much as he grimaced and cringed.
Stellagant
08-07-2009, 01:46 AM
He didn't speak so much as he grimaced and cringed.
I, too, grimace and cringe at such displays of sensationalism. The area's legit news media learned from their mistakes after the Duke LaCrosse mess but that entertainment outlet has never demonstrated anything but ignorance.
There was absolutely no newsworthy reason for them to be there, they didn't identify themselves immediately, didn't ask permission to video record the group, didn't ask permission to later broadcast anybody's words, didn't ask permission of the facility manager to be there and he tossed them out, rightly so. It's no surprise there is no longer an NC Wanted television program.
tarheelfan
08-07-2009, 02:08 AM
I, too, grimace and cringe at such displays of sensationalism. The area's legit news media learned from their mistakes after the Duke LaCrosse mess but that entertainment outlet has never demonstrated anything but ignorance.
There was absolutely no newsworthy reason for them to be there, they didn't identify themselves immediately, didn't ask permission to video record the group, didn't ask permission to later broadcast anybody's words, didn't ask permission of the facility manager to be there and he tossed them out, rightly so. It's no surprise there is no longer an NC Wanted television program.
Sensationalism you say? Jason brought this all on himself by his gutless silence. NCWanted did indeed have every right to be there. They were not on private property and their camera had the same right as every other camera that has ever operated in that gym. Thank God someone had the balls to approach slayer Young regarding his horrendous crime against his wife and unborn son.
"You came here for that?" Just the comment I would expect from him. The wuss had to get the gym manager to help his poor ars....couldn't even do it himself.
I shudder to think that ugly, hideous face is the last thing Michelle saw while fighting for her life and the life of her unborn son. Becky Holt is coming back to town and when she does, slayer is going down!! His ars will soon be in the Wake Co jail.......ummmm I'm thinking the end of this month.....maybe early Sept.
Tick tock, tick tock......they're almost ready for you slayer. What will you say when they put the cuffs on your wrists....."You came here for that?"
annalyzer
08-07-2009, 02:17 AM
omg he has gotten really ugly :scared:
Doorbell
08-07-2009, 03:28 AM
omg he has gotten really ugly :scared:
Well, let's face it...he never was the new Fabio...
Jester
08-07-2009, 03:32 AM
omg he has gotten really ugly :scared:
At about 48 seconds, he whacks his chest and says "my bad". Weird
http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/video/5745475/
He's also awfully hyper.
Doorbell
08-07-2009, 03:33 AM
I, too, grimace and cringe at such displays of sensationalism. The area's legit news media learned from their mistakes after the Duke LaCrosse mess but that entertainment outlet has never demonstrated anything but ignorance.
There was absolutely no newsworthy reason for them to be there, they didn't identify themselves immediately, didn't ask permission to video record the group, didn't ask permission to later broadcast anybody's words, didn't ask permission of the facility manager to be there and he tossed them out, rightly so. It's no surprise there is no longer an NC Wanted television program.
Personally, I think they should have made this call a couple of years ago.
"You came here for THAT?"
No wonder his (allegedly) former lawyer told him to keep his mouth shut. In five words, he displayed exactly what Michelle and Rylan meant to him.
IMO
Doorbell
08-07-2009, 03:34 AM
At about 48 seconds, he whacks his chest and says "my bad". Weird
http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/video/5745475/
He's also awfully hyper.
He's probably angry that he said anything other than "No comment."
Jester
08-07-2009, 03:43 AM
Personally, I think they should have made this call a couple of years ago.
"You came here for THAT?"
No wonder his (allegedly) former lawyer told him to keep his mouth shut. In five words, he displayed exactly what Michelle and Rylan meant to him.
IMO
At least we know he managed to deal with his grief. It appears that he's all but forgotten his family. He doesn't even have a moment of shock, sadness, and memory when Michelle's name is mentioned - just irritation that anyone mentioned her name.
Doorbell
08-07-2009, 03:49 AM
I, too, grimace and cringe at such displays of sensationalism. The area's legit news media learned from their mistakes after the Duke LaCrosse mess but that entertainment outlet has never demonstrated anything but ignorance.
There was absolutely no newsworthy reason for them to be there, they didn't identify themselves immediately, didn't ask permission to video record the group, didn't ask permission to later broadcast anybody's words, didn't ask permission of the facility manager to be there and he tossed them out, rightly so. It's no surprise there is no longer an NC Wanted television program.
You don't know what permissions they got off camera. I'm sure that IF such is legally necessary, and they failed to get it, the clip will be removed.
...What? It's still there? Gee, I guess they must have stayed on the right side of the law.
Jester
08-07-2009, 04:11 AM
Jason has such an unusual reaction to being asked about his murdered wife.
What would be considered a normal response from a man being asked about his murdered pregnant wife 2.5 years after the unsolved murder?
Jester
08-07-2009, 04:17 AM
Wants to be a nurse.
Betcha he got FED students loans that WE will end up paying back while he is in prison.:mad:
He appears to be neurotic in the clip. Granted he's on a break from a basketball game, but playing basketball doesn't make people neurotic.
Just what the world needs, a hyperactive 35 year old male nurse that whacks his chest and says "my bad" when something goes awry.
Leanne Weich
08-07-2009, 06:01 AM
Wow, what a career choice? I thought nursing staff were empathetic people. That is certainly not a trait I'd associate with Slayer Young. Five words said it all, imo.
Jester
08-07-2009, 06:21 AM
Wow, what a career choice? I thought nursing staff were empathetic people. That is certainly not a trait I'd associate with Slayer Young. Five words said it all, imo.
He's completely neurotic (hyper, anxious), self-absorbed, arrogant, and dismissive - even of his wife's unsolved murder. What a guy! Even the tone of his voice sends shudders.
It's interesting that after the camera started rolling, the first thing we hear from Jason is "my bad". One of his first thoughts had to be ... what if the cameras are about Michelle -> had to be. He figures out that he should leave the basketball court (and camera), so he gets a drink of water from the fountain even though we see him shortly afterward with his water bottle. He is dismissive of Michelle without realizing it's the wrong thing to say, and then one of his buddies takes a shot at the camera with the ball. That must have hurt.
Jason's friend (who looked to be much younger) said something about him being a murder suspect ...great footage!
Leanne Weich
08-07-2009, 06:33 AM
He would have been better off saying "no comment" which would not have endeared to him to many but wouldn't have seemed as callous as what he did say. Guess the art of what not to say is not his forte.
Jester
08-07-2009, 07:25 AM
He would have been better off saying "no comment" which would not have endeared to him to many but wouldn't have seemed as callous as what he did say. Guess the art of what not to say is not his forte.
He couldn't think fast enough, even though he was pumped with endorphins from the exercise of the basketball game ... to say anything but "my bad"?
He's been saying "no comment" through his stepfather, lawyer, and mother since the day of the murder. He has been sheltered until now, and you're quite right - Jason not only lacks eloquence and "je ne c'est quoi", but he is downright crass. What was that he said again?
"You came here for THAT?"
He didn't say "Michelle", "her", or "my wife", instead he more or less said "that's important to you?"
Very odd response. I have no doubt he wishes his endorphins were giving him more than adrenalin on the ball court ... with his young friends.
Lynne
08-07-2009, 07:25 AM
Jason's photo online reminded me of an old novel "Dorian Grey".
This shall eat at his soul daily, as well it should.
Jester
08-07-2009, 07:31 AM
Jason's photo online reminded me of an old novel "Dorian Grey".
This shall eat at his soul daily, as well it should.
Hollow cheeks, dark eyes, lines across his forehead ... Dorian Grey ... what does he have to eat to regain his youth?
I don't think a trip to Montana or Florida is in the card, and a trip with mom to Puerto Rico just isn't the same ...
Lynne
08-07-2009, 07:34 AM
It is his soul that needs to be regained and that can only be done with repentance.
Lynne
08-07-2009, 07:41 AM
And don't forget that growing ugly over the stress you may incur knowing that you are a murderer is not tax exempt. :smile:
Jester
08-07-2009, 07:42 AM
It is his soul that needs to be regained and that can only be done with repentance.
I think everyone close to Jason can see what he has done, but he hopes that no one else can see what a monster he is ... like the young guy on the basketball court.
I think his soul left him by the time his father died; when his mother and sisters took over. To do what he did screams of the fact that he was devoid of soul long before he and Michelle met, and it suggests a deep seated anger towards women.
Jester
08-07-2009, 07:46 AM
And don't forget that growing ugly over the stress you may incur knowing that you are a murderer is not tax exempt. :smile:
The ugliness the comes with bad character ... written all over someone's face. By the time he is 50 years old, he will not be able to hide it ... not to suggest that by the time he is 35 he can. Over the last two years, his actions and life are written on his face ... and the change is reflected in comments here: it's been bad for him.
If I were in the hospital and he entered the room, I would call security. I wouldn't care what color his shirt ...
Lynne
08-07-2009, 07:55 AM
Ah, Jester, I totally agree with your assessment of Jason Young. I,too, believe that his hatred of women was formed years before he ever met Michelle. Reminds me of George Sodini, the guy who killed 3 women at the LA Fitness Center in Bridgeville, PA this week. These guys seem to have a narcissistic outlook on life that allows their minds to go where they want to go if life isn't suiting them!!
Leanne Weich
08-07-2009, 08:05 AM
People generally try to hide their ugliness (in attitude) in front of other people. If that is how the slayer acts when a camera is recording him, God alone knows what Cassidy witnessed since her mom's death. Him referring to the murder as "that" speaks volumes. I doubt Cassidy ever heard anything good from him about her beloved mother.
Thank goodness, from hereon out, she'll hear the truth about Michelle and has a chance to grow up to be a good and productive member of society just like her mom was. Had she been left in her father's care, she certainly would have learned how to be a mooch and, imo, it's doubtful she'd have learned a good work ethic.
Jester
08-07-2009, 08:08 AM
I find it so illuminating that Jason said: "You came here for THAT?"
That? Michelle? The reporter sheepishly asked about Michelle Young, his wife, the murder in Raleigh, and Jason said:
"You came here for that?"
He seems put out that anyone would ask. Given the silence on this case since April, 2009 (custody settlement), one would expect that he would be happy to see that someone is still paying attention, and that the brutal murder of his wife could eventually be solved. If the brutal murderer of his wife could be found, then maybe he could regain custody of his only child ... only if he's innocent, of course.
Not Jason though ... "You came here for that?", he says shortly after spotting the cameras and sticking his finger into his rib cage shouting "my bad". He then leaves for the water fountain, and thereafter picks up his water bottle and complains in the community center office.
What a guy!
Lynne
08-07-2009, 08:12 AM
People generally try to hide their ugliness (in attitude) in front of other people. If that is how the slayer acts when a camera is recording him, God alone knows what Cassidy witnessed since her mom's death. Him referring to the murder as "that" speaks volumes. I doubt Cassidy ever heard anything good from him about her beloved mother.
Thank goodness, from hereon out, she'll hear the truth about Michelle and has a chance to grow up to be a good and productive member of society just like her mom was. Had she been left in her father's care, she certainly would have learned how to be a mooch and, imo, it's doubtful she'd have learned a good work ethic.
Oh, Leanne, you nailed it------hearing the "that" from the slayer's lips was like fingernails on a chalkboard.
She has a chance now----he will be hounded til the day he dies.
Pomme
08-07-2009, 08:13 AM
I guess it's easier to beat the living daylights and life out of your sweet and pretty wife if you think of her as a 'that'.
Wow, he's pretty heinous looking. Might be a bit harder to get those chickies in the sack anymore. Although there's a sucker born every minute - paraphrasing his own words to his sister via email, nobody will even remember this soon. :rolleyes:
Jester
08-07-2009, 08:21 AM
Ah, Jester, I totally agree with your assessment of Jason Young. I,too, believe that his hatred of women was formed years before he ever met Michelle. Reminds me of George Sodini, the guy who killed 3 women at the LA Fitness Center in Bridgeville, PA this week. These guys seem to have a narcissistic outlook on life that allows their minds to go where they want to go if life isn't suiting them!!
For some reason, men like George Sodini objectify women. I would describe him as a neurotic, and arrogant misogynist. Jason has a similar problem, as we know from other relationships he's had ... like the "panties in the bed" incident. For example, when Jason was unemployed and doing nothing at home, he told his wife, Michelle, that he could kill her when she asked him to pick up their daughter from pre-school. He then made remarks about getting drunk beside the pool with their 2 year old child.
It has been represented (in released testimony from co-workers and friends) that Jason did not love his wife ... water cooler comments were crass. He saw Michelle as his wife, but I doubt he was capable of love ... not even for the woman that gave him a home, family, and comfortable life.
I doubt he loves, or has ever loved, any other women in his life.
Lynne
08-07-2009, 08:25 AM
I guess it's easier to beat the living daylights and life out of your sweet and pretty wife if you think of her as a 'that'.
Wow, he's pretty heinous looking. Might be a bit harder to get those chickies in the sack anymore. Although there's a sucker born every minute - paraphrasing his own words to his sister via email, nobody will even remember this soon. :rolleyes:
We know just how WRONG Jason is if he thinks we will ever forget the murder of Michelle and Rylan, huh Pomme?
Jester
08-07-2009, 08:30 AM
I guess it's easier to beat the living daylights and life out of your sweet and pretty wife if you think of her as a 'that'.
Wow, he's pretty heinous looking. Might be a bit harder to get those chickies in the sack anymore. Although there's a sucker born every minute - paraphrasing his own words to his sister via email, nobody will even remember this soon. :rolleyes:
I was thinking about that as I watched his basket balling ... the "nobody will even remember this" comment, and some reference the guy that moved to Salt Lake City ... Famous last words.
Nursing is a primarily female dominated profession ... chances are with 300 students in the class, and significantly few males than females, someone will settle for him ... who knows, maybe that's what gave him the confidence to show up at the last game of the season even though he knew the cameras were for him.
Lynne
08-07-2009, 08:33 AM
This is the fear that I have now learning that Jason is going to pursue a career in nursing. OMG, the thought of this sociopath in charge of human beings lives skeers the bejesus outta me!!!
Jester
08-07-2009, 08:41 AM
We know just how WRONG Jason is if he thinks we will ever forget the murder of Michelle and Rylan, huh Pomme?
No one will forget the murder of Michelle Young because we all knew from at least 3 months after the murder that there was no doubt the husband "did it". Still, three years later, he has not been arrested.
He seems to wear an awareness that not everyone has forgotten. Has he not been fired from his last (more?) job for lack of cooperation (about 60 days after the search warrant about pharmaceuticals), lost custody of his child, and become indebted for the remainder of his life? He will never forget about the murder of Michelle and Rylan, but he will never give up.
Jester
08-07-2009, 08:49 AM
This is the fear that I have now learning that Jason is going to pursue a career in nursing. OMG, the thought of this sociopath in charge of human beings lives skeers the bejesus outta me!!!
If I recall correctly, 60% of those that study never practice ... or maybe 40% ... can't ever remember
Perhaps there's hope.
If he uses connections like he did in the past, and maneuvers himself into a position where he can dilute adult medication for children ...
Why he choose that profession is beyond me, and what medical facility, knowing that he admitted to diluting adult medication to administer to infants (under 3 years of age), would hire him? How could any medical facility know that he wouldn't take it upon himself to modify medications for patients?
Is he hoping to get into a diagnostic position ... with his pharmaceutical background combined with nursing?
Lynne
08-07-2009, 08:50 AM
No one will forget the murder of Michelle Young because we all knew from at least 3 months after the murder that there was no doubt the husband "did it". Still, three years later, he has not been arrested.
He seems to wear an awareness that not everyone has forgotten. Has he not been fired from his last (more?) job for lack of cooperation (about 60 days after the search warrant about pharmaceuticals), lost custody of his child, and become indebted for the remainder of his life? He will never forget about the murder of Michelle and Rylan, but he will never give up.
I honestly do not know if he was fired from his last job, Jester. But I do know that he did not just LOSE custody of his child. He chose to not contest the custody issue because he knew dayum well that this would open him up to legal questioning about his possible involvement in the murder of Michelle and Rylan.
He may never give up-------but I do believe that LE will get him and justice will be served for Michelle and Rylan.
Jester
08-07-2009, 09:04 AM
I honestly do not know if he was fired from his last job, Jester. But I do know that he did not just LOSE custody of his child. He chose to not contest the custody issue because he knew dayum well that this would open him up to legal questioning about his possible involvement in the murder of Michelle and Rylan.
He may never give up-------but I do believe that LE will get him and justice will be served for Michelle and Rylan.
I have read the history of custody documents, and it was apparent that Jason was backed into a corner (possibly because of peeing in a corner at a party that he told Michelle was guys only ... but which wasn't) and walked away from custody. He didn't contest custody because he didn't have a leg to stand on. Threatening to kill his wife because he had to collect his daughter from pre-school while unemployed was a bit damaging to his custody argument.
I don't think he was fired from his last job, but I think he was given notice. Had he satisfactorily answered the warrants about drugging his daughter, blood spatter, shoes, and lack of cooperation, I think he could have kept his job. He may have lost the earlier job because there was some question about his reason for being at the hotel the night his wife was murdered and he was still late for the meeting. His career path prior to the murder is equally unsatisfactory.
Jester
08-07-2009, 09:16 AM
Not only did Jason threaten to kill Michelle when she asked Jason to collect Cassidy, but he then went on to suggest that if he picked up Cassidy, he would take her to a swimming pool, get drunk, and Michelle would be responsible if there was a mishap.
Cruel man, possibly a misogynist that came to hate women at an early age.
One must ask ... what drew Michelle Fisher to Jason Young ...was it a sense of danger and excitement?
trigger
08-07-2009, 09:22 AM
Just watched the video. What a ugly dude....He looks drained..old...Good!
Jester
08-07-2009, 09:27 AM
He appears as a sick man ... not physically ... but in his face.
He only appears sick since the murder.
Lynne
08-07-2009, 09:31 AM
Not only did Jason threaten to kill Michelle when she asked Jason to collect Cassidy, but he then went on to suggest that if he picked up Cassidy, he would take her to a swimming pool, get drunk, and Michelle would be responsible if there was a mishap.
Cruel man, possibly a misogynist that came to hate women at an early age.
One must ask ... what drew Michelle Fisher to Jason Young ...was it a sense of danger and excitement?
Actually, Michelle's attraction to Jason, before finding out that she was pregnant, could have simply been that he had a good sense of humour. She was young and optimistic.
Lynne
08-07-2009, 09:50 AM
And he wasn't so ugly yet. :smile:
Jester
08-07-2009, 10:00 AM
Actually, Michelle's attraction to Jason, before finding out that she was pregnant, could have simply been that he had a good sense of humour. She was young and optimistic.
Becoming pregnant changed everything, indeed.
She was successful, ambitious, and had a promising future with or without Jason, but she was prepared to take Jason along for the ride for the sake of Cassidy, and a sibling. A sibling was not to be ... at Jason's hands. There was a car accident (at the hands of Jason again) that terminated the first sibling, and a murder that terminated the second.
She was optimistic, as was her birthright. It was Jason that had no future, and still doesn't.
He looks so neurotic since the murder ... and he sounds like a lunatic ... asking about "that", rather than responding to a question about his wife, the murder in Raleigh, or Michelle Young.
Doorbell
08-07-2009, 12:03 PM
He's completely neurotic (hyper, anxious), self-absorbed, arrogant, and dismissive - even of his wife's unsolved murder. What a guy! Even the tone of his voice sends shudders.
It's interesting that after the camera started rolling, the first thing we hear from Jason is "my bad". One of his first thoughts had to be ... what if the cameras are about Michelle -> had to be. He figures out that he should leave the basketball court (and camera), so he gets a drink of water from the fountain even though we see him shortly afterward with his water bottle. He is dismissive of Michelle without realizing it's the wrong thing to say, and then one of his buddies takes a shot at the camera with the ball. That must have hurt.
Jason's friend (who looked to be much younger) said something about him being a murder suspect ...great footage!
I think he filled the bottle at the fountain.
Doorbell
08-07-2009, 12:09 PM
If I recall correctly, 60% of those that study never practice ... or maybe 40% ... can't ever remember
Perhaps there's hope.
If he uses connections like he did in the past, and maneuvers himself into a position where he can dilute adult medication for children ...
Why he choose that profession is beyond me, and what medical facility, knowing that he admitted to diluting adult medication to administer to infants (under 3 years of age), would hire him? How could any medical facility know that he wouldn't take it upon himself to modify medications for patients?
Is he hoping to get into a diagnostic position ... with his pharmaceutical background combined with nursing?
He's in it for the chicks.
Wow, he looks like he is strung out to me. I see why he was advised to not talk. He has no idea what is appropriate IMOO.
kingbuff
08-07-2009, 12:54 PM
What Jason said: "You came HERE for that?!"
Unsaid: Here? To a basketball game? Here? When
I'm hot, sweaty, and trying to fill my water bottle? Here?
You want to talk to me about the tragic death of my wife
and unborn son? Do the village elders of Raleigh know
they have lost their IDIOT????
kingbuff
08-07-2009, 12:57 PM
What the gym supervisor said: "You men ought to leave."
Unsaid: I'm the only protection you have here tonight.
I'm going to lock these doors for five minutes. That will
give you Raleigh idiots time to hit the road. Some of
the guys want to have a piece of you. This is a
public facility so you idiots do what you want.
Breakingnews
08-07-2009, 01:11 PM
What the gym supervisor said: "You men ought to leave."
Unsaid: I'm the only protection you have here tonight.
I'm going to lock these doors for five minutes. That will
give you Raleigh idiots time to hit the road. Some of
the guys want to have a piece of you. This is a
public facility so you idiots do what you want.
Who? The "bush" kid who said he didn't know Jason. He was a fill in. Not one original member of Jason's team stuck up for him.
When Jason ran to the back office did he call mom for help?
BSNBREVARDNC
08-07-2009, 01:52 PM
What Jason said: "You came HERE for that?!"
Unsaid: Here? To a basketball game? Here? When
I'm hot, sweaty, and trying to fill my water bottle? Here?
You want to talk to me about the tragic death of my wife
and unborn son? Do the village elders of Raleigh know
they have lost their IDIOT????
Does "Unsaid" = spin or ESP?
Jay said what he said. Now he can live with it. Doesn’t this just reflect his attitude all along? Why would anyone care about Michelle’s murder. Jay doesn’t so why should you?
BTW, why did Jay give up primary custody of his only daughter to the very person that you and yours have trashed so much? What? I couldn’t hear you?
BSNBREVARDNC
08-07-2009, 01:53 PM
He's in it for the chicks.
He does have a new girl in his life. She has a daughter.
reborn
08-07-2009, 02:04 PM
What Jason said: "You came HERE for that?!"
Unsaid: Here? To a basketball game? Here? When
I'm hot, sweaty, and trying to fill my water bottle? Here?
You want to talk to me about the tragic death of my wife
and unborn son? Do the village elders of Raleigh know
they have lost their IDIOT????
I thought the same thing KB. These guys were not professional reporters. More like vigilantes. Jason goes to school, goes to church ,washes his car and goes to the grocery store yet these guys pick a ballgame and halftime at that. They wanted sensationalism. They need to get a job and stop playing reporters.
Breakingnews
08-07-2009, 02:19 PM
I thought the same thing KB. These guys were not professional reporters. More like vigilantes. Jason goes to school, goes to church ,washes his car and goes to the grocery store yet these guys pick a ballgame and halftime at that. They wanted sensationalism. They need to get a job and stop playing reporters.
Really? Mike Wallace & Bill O'Reilly are both quite famous for ambush interviews. Public eats it up.
BTW, JY doesn't wash the SUV he's trucking around in and it doesn't belong to him either. And it's not the Explorer that Alan Fisher sold him. I'll just pass on the church comment and chuckle instead.
annalyzer
08-07-2009, 02:23 PM
Wow, he looks like he is strung out to me. I see why he was advised to not talk. He has no idea what is appropriate IMOO.
He looks hideous. His eyes are sunken and blackened. He looks so old for his age. I honestly don't see how he could attract any woman, even a two-bagger.
tarheelfan
08-07-2009, 02:27 PM
What Jason said: "You came HERE for that?!"
Unsaid: Here? To a basketball game? Here? When
I'm hot, sweaty, and trying to fill my water bottle? Here?
You want to talk to me about the tragic death of my wife
and unborn son? Do the village elders of Raleigh know
they have lost their IDIOT????
Nada King........there is NO defending slayer on this one. Listen to his enunciation of his sentence, something a third grader could do by the way. "You came here for THAT?" His emphais/accent was on his LAST word, THAT. No matter how you explain it, soften it, etc that is EXACTLY how he enuciated that sentence. "You came here for THAT?" Even in death he shows how much Michelle and Rylan mean to him.
It's really sad you supporters can't/won't see him for who/what he really is..... a cold, unfeeling, callous murderer of his wife and unborn son.
Your defense WILL be shortlived because an arrest is on the horizon and it won't be long now. I can't wait to read your response when slayer is in Wake Co jail. Justice WILL prevail....oh yes it will!! The clock is ticking and VERY soon Slayer will get his. Mommy can't help him this time...nobody can.
tarheelfan
08-07-2009, 02:36 PM
I thought the same thing KB. These guys were not professional reporters. More like vigilantes. Jason goes to school, goes to church ,washes his car and goes to the grocery store yet these guys pick a ballgame and halftime at that. They wanted sensationalism. They need to get a job and stop playing reporters.
Vigilantes :laugh::laugh: How do you describe what slayer has done for 3 years? Not one word to LE.....this is his wife and child for God's sake. Yesterday he FINALLY spoke and made a complete ars of himself and there is NO explaining this one away. He had to go to the office to get "help" :laugh: bet he called Mommy while he was in there.
BSNBREVARDNC
08-07-2009, 02:59 PM
What Jason said: "You came HERE for that?!"
Unsaid: Here? To a basketball game? Here? When
I'm hot, sweaty, and trying to fill my water bottle? Here?
You want to talk to me about the tragic death of my wife
and unborn son? Do the village elders of Raleigh know
they have lost their IDIOT????
Do the village elders of Brevard know
they have not lost their IDIOT???? And he keeps supporting the resident wife killer.
Jules2
08-07-2009, 03:29 PM
What Jason said: "You came HERE for that?!"
Unsaid: Here? To a basketball game? Here? When
I'm hot, sweaty, and trying to fill my water bottle? Here?
You want to talk to me about the tragic death of my wife
and unborn son? Do the village elders of Raleigh know
they have lost their IDIOT????
Nope! Not gonna buy it Mr. Bluff
Notice the inflection in his voice when he said "that"?
"You came here for that?
Yep, just an insignificant reason to ask a so called grieving husband a few questions. A total waste of time.......nothing to concern anyone about.....yep, that is what Jason Lynne Young thinks about the loss of his wife.
Keep playing ball and attending nursing school, Jason. You've got plenty of time now that you don't have the burden of raising your daughter full time. Yep...keep playing ball with your buds.
Tick tock
That is why you should be shaking in your Franklin size 10's right about now.
IMO as always.
Doorbell
08-07-2009, 03:33 PM
He does have a new girl in his life. She has a daughter.
Hopefully, the child is old enough that she doesn't "pi** herself all over the floor." 'Cos Jason doesn't like that.
Doorbell
08-07-2009, 03:40 PM
Nope! Not gonna buy it Mr. Bluff
Notice the inflection in his voice when he said "that"?
"You came here for that?
Yep, just an insignificant reason to ask a so called grieving husband a few questions. A total waste of time.......nothing to concern anyone about.....yep, that is what Jason Lynne Young thinks about the loss of his wife.
Keep playing ball and attending nursing school, Jason. You've got plenty of time now that you don't have the burden of raising your daughter full time. Yep...keep playing ball with your buds.
Tick tock
That is why you should be shaking in your Franklin size 10's right about now.
IMO as always.
I wish they had asked him what brand of shoes he was wearing!
Leanne Weich
08-07-2009, 04:45 PM
Having done a fair amount of work with drug addicted people, Jason's appearance has deterirorated to such a degree in 33 months that I wouldn't be surprised if he is using or, at least, has a problem with alcohol. JMO.
His voice was dripping venom when he said "you came here for THAT".
I really wish a camera crew would turn up unexpectedly on regular occasions as I believe slayer Young would lose his temper if there was no one around to shield him. His responses could be tantamount to excited utterances and would surely be interesting.
Maybe now that Becky Holt is returning to her position at the DA's office, journalists feel an arrest will be happening and are positioning themselves to deliver some good reporting.
At the end of the day, I think the vast majority of people want to see justice done, not only for Michelle and Rylan but Cassidy and the rest of Michelle's family as well.
Stellagant
08-07-2009, 05:29 PM
I thought the same thing KB. These guys were not professional reporters. More like vigilantes. Jason goes to school, goes to church ,washes his car and goes to the grocery store yet these guys pick a ballgame and halftime at that. They wanted sensationalism. They need to get a job and stop playing reporters.
I think they are trying to get a job but who would hire such a liability? It's pretty obvious they are paparazzi, not professional journalists. I doubt they were compensated for that silly ambush.
Stellagant
08-07-2009, 05:31 PM
Having done a fair amount of work with drug addicted people, Jason's appearance has deterirorated to such a degree in 33 months that I wouldn't be surprised if he is using or, at least, has a problem with alcohol. JMO.
His voice was dripping venom when he said "you came here for THAT".
I really wish a camera crew would turn up unexpectedly on regular occasions as I believe slayer Young would lose his temper if there was no one around to shield him. His responses could be tantamount to excited utterances and would surely be interesting.
Maybe now that Becky Holt is returning to her position at the DA's office, journalists feel an arrest will be happening and are positioning themselves to deliver some good reporting.
At the end of the day, I think the vast majority of people want to see justice done, not only for Michelle and Rylan but Cassidy and the rest of Michelle's family as well.
GMAB. The group was engaged in a vigorous sport. Suggesting any of them are drug-addicts is beyond absurd.
:rolleyes:
Leanne Weich
08-07-2009, 05:36 PM
GMAB. The group was engaged in a vigorous sport. Suggesting any of them are drug-addicts is beyond absurd.
:rolleyes:
Having worked with drug addicts, I'll categorically say you're wrong. People's appearance doesn't change that much in under 3 years when you're in your 30s - not even due to grieving and, there's zilch evidence that slayer Young has ever grieved a day in 33 months, imo.
Jester
08-07-2009, 05:43 PM
What Jason said: "You came HERE for that?!"
Unsaid: Here? To a basketball game? Here? When
I'm hot, sweaty, and trying to fill my water bottle? Here?
You want to talk to me about the tragic death of my wife
and unborn son? Do the village elders of Raleigh know
they have lost their IDIOT????
I missed several details when I watched the video the first couple of times too. Give it another listen ... emphasis is on "that", not "here".
Leanne Weich
08-07-2009, 05:46 PM
I missed several details when I watched the video the first couple of times too. Give it another listen ... emphasis is on "that", not "here".
LOL. Thee he goes again, tempting to deflect .... fortunately, we're not lemmings and can form our own opinions on what we see and hear.
Jester
08-07-2009, 06:33 PM
What the gym supervisor said: "You men ought to leave."
Unsaid: I'm the only protection you have here tonight.
I'm going to lock these doors for five minutes. That will
give you Raleigh idiots time to hit the road. Some of
the guys want to have a piece of you. This is a
public facility so you idiots do what you want.
So you think the basketball team was going to attack a media crew for asking a simple question?
Most athletes like it when they get a little international airtime.
Leanne Weich
08-07-2009, 06:39 PM
Amazing how his supporters have trumpeted loudly and clearly that his constitutional right is not to speak and shouldn't be held against him, yet seem to think the media's constitutional right of freedom of the press is not so important. The media had as much right as anyone else to be at the practice, imo.
reborn
08-07-2009, 06:42 PM
The slayer looks positively deranged. :scared:
Well I guess the idiots from Raleigh didn't waste their time. We have the forum sayings Jason is probably on drugs. We also are hearing how ugly he is. Didn't get a report on the last ball game . Don't know if his team won or not. I would hate to see myself on camera at half time of a bbgame. Why don't some of you that have judged him so badly send in a pic of yourself after half of a bbgame? Heck I'll settle for one of you after first quarter.LOL How long is a person supposed to grieve? I have friends that have married again in lest time after losing their SO. I just wondered if because Michelle was murdered Jason was supposed to make it a life time commitment. I didn't learn anything about the murder . Did any of you? I didn't hear where the jewelery is. I didn't hear what the murder weapon was. I didn't hear anything about the gas usage for the second trip. Then there's those 2 footprints. Most cops would think 2 foot prints 2 murderers. I wonder if that's why the DA won't move on this case. He has no evidence to move on.
Leanne Weich
08-07-2009, 06:55 PM
Well I guess the idiots from Raleigh didn't waste their time. We have the forum sayings Jason is probably on drugs. We also are hearing how ugly he is. Didn't get a report on the last ball game . Don't know if his team won or not. I would hate to see myself on camera at half time of a bbgame. Why don't some of you that have judged him so badly send in a pic of yourself after half of a bbgame? Heck I'll settle for one of you after first quarter.LOL How long is a person supposed to grieve? I have friends that have married again in lest time after losing their SO. I just wondered if because Michelle was murdered Jason was supposed to make it a life time commitment. I didn't learn anything about the murder . Did any of you? I didn't hear where the jewelery is. I didn't hear what the murder weapon was. I didn't hear anything about the gas usage for the second trip. Then there's those 2 footprints. Most cops would think 2 foot prints 2 murderers. I wonder if that's why the DA won't move on this case. He has no evidence to move on.
Being tired certainly does not make one ugly. I guess it's in the eye of the beholder. I thought he was one of the most unattractive males going the first time I saw a photo of him - no doubt Michelle didn't think so.
I don't think there is a prescribed grieving period although a lot of literature I've read recommends one waits 2 years after a divorce or death of a spouse before re-marrying. It is m.o. that one can get on with life and, yes, even remarry while still grieving the loss of a spouse. I don't think the two are mutually exclusive.
As for the things you didn't hear about - well, quite clearly it is not the reporter's job to interrogate him on evidence and, even if they did, with his comment about "that", they wouldn't have got anything out of him.
You are welcome to believe the DA has no evidence to go on. I, on the other hand, while not happy about how long it is taking, believe with Becky Holt returning to the office, things will start moving soon. That, however, is not a prediction but a gut feeling.
Jester
08-07-2009, 07:01 PM
Well I guess the idiots from Raleigh didn't waste their time. We have the forum sayings Jason is probably on drugs. We also are hearing how ugly he is. Didn't get a report on the last ball game . Don't know if his team won or not. I would hate to see myself on camera at half time of a bbgame. Why don't some of you that have judged him so badly send in a pic of yourself after half of a bbgame? Heck I'll settle for one of you after first quarter.LOL How long is a person supposed to grieve? I have friends that have married again in lest time after losing their SO. I just wondered if because Michelle was murdered Jason was supposed to make it a life time commitment. I didn't learn anything about the murder . Did any of you? I didn't hear where the jewelery is. I didn't hear what the murder weapon was. I didn't hear anything about the gas usage for the second trip. Then there's those 2 footprints. Most cops would think 2 foot prints 2 murderers. I wonder if that's why the DA won't move on this case. He has no evidence to move on.
Does it seem normal that, when the uncooperative husband of a murdered pregnant woman is asked "wanted to have a couple of words with you about the murder in Raleigh ... Michelle Young", he says "you came here for that?" His tone suggests the murder in Raleigh is long forgotten and insignificant. I wonder what Cassidy would think if she was older and saw the clip. It's a "lifetime commitment" for Cassidy, so maybe Jason should have some interest in seeing the case solved.
If Cassidy was asked the same question at a basketball game, would her response be the same? How about the rest of Michelle's family ... you think they would answer the same way?
reborn
08-07-2009, 07:14 PM
Does it seem normal that, when the uncooperative husband of a murdered pregnant woman is asked "wanted to have a couple of words with you about the murder in Raleigh ... Michelle Young", he says "you came here for that?" His tone suggests the murder in Raleigh is long forgotten and insignificant. I wonder what Cassidy would think if she was older and saw the clip. It's a "lifetime commitment" for Cassidy, so maybe Jason should have some interest in seeing the case solved.
If Cassidy was asked the same question at a basketball game, would her response be the same? How about the rest of Michelle's family ... you think they would answer the same way?
It wasn't what they said, it was where they said it. At the last bbgame of the season and halftime. Why didn't they wait until he was leaving and ask him in the parking lot? You know as well as I do why they didn't . They are play reporters and half time and an ambush made for better filming. Little do the realize how little respect people have for that kind of reporting.
Jester
08-07-2009, 07:28 PM
It wasn't what they said, it was where they said it. At the last bbgame of the season and halftime. Why didn't they wait until he was leaving and ask him in the parking lot? You know as well as I do why they didn't . They are play reporters and half time and an ambush made for better filming. Little do the realize how little respect people have for that kind of reporting.
Are you excusing Jason's response because of the setting for the question?
Kat4Eagles
08-07-2009, 07:34 PM
I, too, grimace and cringe at such displays of sensationalism.
<snipped>
There was absolutely no newsworthy reason for them to be there, they didn't identify themselves immediately, didn't ask permission to video record the group, didn't ask permission to later broadcast anybody's words, didn't ask permission of the facility manager to be there and he tossed them out, rightly so. It's no surprise there is no longer an NC Wanted television program.
Gosh, you mean they won't be winning a Nobel Prize for this outstanding professional nail~biting chilling piece of video?
Does this mean they won't be able to collect on the reward money after this brillant piece of journalism hits the airwaves and breaks the case wide open?
So, in other words they can't get the guy legally into a criminal court, so, let's ambush him on his place of play, a bball court...:biggrin:
Let's totally trash the dude and try to rough up his image.
This is the best part though !!
"Jason Young was "spotted".......
Umm, try stalked and ambushed !!
Why? Because some people think he should be behind bars, and they are tired of waiting for the legal system to work, so, let's capture the guy on tape when he is tired and sweaty and in the middle of a heated bball game, without any warning that he is going to be filmed.
"So, you came here for that?"
Gosh, could that mean, you came and interrupted the game at a time and place when it was uncalled for, and without any heads up of what you were doing?
Cheap tactics and harrassment are technical fouls..........
Nothing like kicking someone when they are down or cornered with no way to defend themselves, huh???
Nothing like waiting for that "imminent arrest" to happen and let justice play out......
So, Jason refused to answer questions about Michelle and the murder, and did not bother to even try to hide his annoyance.......
So, what?
What did you think he was going to say or do after all this time?
And, why hide behind or make excuses that they are waiting for just the right time to arrest Jason?
That they are building their case, umm, 3 years later: No.
Getting things just right, ummm No.
Waiting for the Civil suit, umm, done.
Waitinf for the Custody hearing, umm, done too.
Waiting for C to leave, umm Nahh.
Why not take their case , however weak or strong, and present it to a GJ, get their indictment and go from there?
Jason has not talked because:
He doesn't have to.
He doesn't want to.
He may not be able to answer or account for every minute of the nite/am Michelle was murdered.
He doesn't know who killed Michelle anymore than anyone else does.
He is scared.
Until or unless something different happens, it seems to be working for Jason, right?
I mean, that was him playing bball in street clothes, right?
Kat
Kat4Eagles
08-07-2009, 07:38 PM
So you think the basketball team was going to attack a media crew for asking a simple question?
Most athletes like it when they get a little international airtime.
:lol:
International?
Link?
Kat
Kat4Eagles
08-07-2009, 07:40 PM
Being tired certainly does not make one ugly. I guess it's in the eye of the beholder. I thought he was one of the most unattractive males going the first time I saw a photo of him - no doubt Michelle didn't think so.
I don't think there is a prescribed grieving period although a lot of literature I've read recommends one waits 2 years after a divorce or death of a spouse before re-marrying. It is m.o. that one can get on with life and, yes, even remarry while still grieving the loss of a spouse. I don't think the two are mutually exclusive.
As for the things you didn't hear about - well, quite clearly it is not the reporter's job to interrogate him on evidence and, even if they did, with his comment about "that", they wouldn't have got anything out of him.
You are welcome to believe the DA has no evidence to go on. I, on the other hand, while not happy about how long it is taking, believe with Becky Holt returning to the office, things will start moving soon. That, however, is not a prediction but a gut feeling.
Gosh, some here thought Michelle's only sister was not very attractive either, and were told that was not nice.
:no:
Edited to add:
Wait, wait, the reason there has been no arrest is because they are waiting for a certain DA?
No other DA could get an indictment ?
Huh?
Kat
Leanne Weich
08-07-2009, 07:42 PM
Kat, the media did no more than any other media outlet has done - ambushing someone who avoids the media is the norm. Added to that, they had as much right as anyone else to be there. It is, after all, a public place.
No matter what excuses you can find for Jason, his words portrayed his feelings about his wife's murder quite clearly, imo. I honestly do not believe that any loving spouse would refer to the murder of their partner as "that". No matter how you slice and dice it, that showed what the majority of us have felt from day one. Slayer Young was no loving husband or soon to be father.
Kat4Eagles
08-07-2009, 07:46 PM
It wasn't what they said, it was where they said it. At the last bbgame of the season and halftime. Why didn't they wait until he was leaving and ask him in the parking lot? You know as well as I do why they didn't . They are play reporters and half time and an ambush made for better filming. Little do the realize how little respect people have for that kind of reporting.
I am sure this was pre~planned.
Unless you want to think some hot tip just came in and they went racing through the mountains......
They just can't get to Jason any other way, can they?
:wink:
Kat
Leanne Weich
08-07-2009, 07:56 PM
I am sure this was pre~planned.
Unless you want to think some hot tip just came in and they went racing through the mountains......
They just can't get to Jason any other way, can they?
:wink:
Kat
I know it was pre-planned. We were given a heads up that it was going to happen and, quite frankly, if the media wanted to hear from him, this was the only way to do it. Had they waited until the end of the game, had he got wind of the fact they were waiting for him, he'd doubtless have found a way to get home without them being able to get to him. Probably would have phoned mommy to fetch him and run interference, imo.
Kat4Eagles
08-07-2009, 07:56 PM
Kat, the media did no more than any other media outlet has done - ambushing someone who avoids the media is the norm. Added to that, they had as much right as anyone else to be there. It is, after all, a public place.
No matter what excuses you can find for Jason, his words portrayed his feelings about his wife's murder quite clearly, imo. I honestly do not believe that any loving spouse would refer to the murder of their partner as "that". No matter how you slice and dice it, that showed what the majority of us have felt from day one. Slayer Young was no loving husband or soon to be father.
And, it has nothing to do with the frustration or desperation that some are feeling because there has been no arrest?
I want a good story, but, what was to be gained from this?
Stick a camera in Jason's face and he would confess?
I agree that Jason looks bad and that he could have handled this better by saying something differently.
I think he tried to blow them off for thinking they could just show up and try to make him look bad.
I am glad there were people there that protected him.
No one threw him out of the gym so he could handle this on his own.
I couldn't care less about the majority or minority that follows this case, the fact that Jason has not been arrested shows that I am in the group that I respect for not giving in to what other people think until the case officially goes to court, a real court, not a bball one.
3 years later , unfounded rumors, worthless promises, and unfullfilled predictions have done little to change my mind.
Thanxxx though.
Kat
Kat4Eagles
08-07-2009, 08:06 PM
I know it was pre-planned. We were given a heads up that it was going to happen and, quite frankly, if the media wanted to hear from him, this was the only way to do it. Had they waited until the end of the game, had he got wind of the fact they were waiting for him, he'd doubtless have found a way to get home without them being able to get to him. Probably would have phoned mommy to fetch him and run interference, imo.
It doesn't matter, they could have found him anywhere, at a store or anywhere else in Brevard, for that matter.
It is not like the guy left the country or is in hiding.
The whole thing backfired, imo.
The crew sounded immature and unprepared, and they came away with zero........nice try, though.
Lol , maybe the next plan will actually work into something.
Let us know!!
Good luck with that!!
Have a great weekend.:seeya:
Kat
Pomme
08-07-2009, 08:12 PM
Why did Jason Young give up primary custody of his daughter?
Thanks! :seeya:
Leanne Weich
08-07-2009, 08:13 PM
It's a matter of perception whether it failed or not, imo. I think it just validated what a lot of people have felt about him since day one. It is a damn sight easier to get to someone in a preplanned setting than having to stake out shops, etc. to try to get a comment out of them.
I'm off to work now, so not sure it's going to be a great weekend. I hat working Saturdays.
You have a good one though.
Jester
08-07-2009, 08:18 PM
:lol:
International?
Link?
Kat
The NCWanted website can be viewed internationally. Didn't you know that? The team got some international airtime. Most athletes are happy about that.
Scampi
08-07-2009, 08:24 PM
Hollow cheeks, dark eyes, lines across his forehead ... Dorian Grey ... what does he have to eat to regain his youth?
I don't think a trip to Montana or Florida is in the card, and a trip with mom to Puerto Rico just isn't the same ...
Excellent comparison. :thumbup:
BSNBREVARDNC
08-07-2009, 08:32 PM
Why did Jason Young give up primary custody of his daughter?
Thanks! :seeya:
Because Jason loves him some Jason. I knew he would toss the kid before undergoing a psych eval. etc.
(Sorry for answering the question but you know the JII will just give you the run around, spin, and smoke and mirrors)
Kat4Eagles
08-07-2009, 08:40 PM
The NCWanted website can be viewed internationally. Didn't you know that? The team got some international airtime. Most athletes are happy about that.
I don't think that some international or NBA team was sending out a scouting report for a less than 2 minute choppy video workout...unless you are saying Jason is good enough to go pro?
You know the more I think about it, who authorizes sending out a video crew to a school bball game to try and trip up a murder confession?
Sounds like the plan wasn't all that well thought out.
:wink:
Kat
Kat4Eagles
08-07-2009, 08:52 PM
Because Jason loves him some Jason. I knew he would toss the kid before undergoing a psych eval. etc.
(Sorry for answering the question but you know the JII will just give you the run around, spin, and smoke and mirrors)
Running around, spinning, smoking and mirrors is not the reason this case is being held up though...
Us JII's and fence~sitters have nothing to do with the above!!
If you expect me to answer your PM, you need to clear some out, you have exceeded your Message Quota.
Kat
janesdeaan
08-07-2009, 08:58 PM
After three years of avoiding interviewers/LE you'd think Jason Young would have something to say about his wife, child and their murders. But, all he could do was show his disbelief (fake) that NCWanted was there for "THAT" reason.
I think he was taken by surprise, he seems to think he is home free with this murder behind him, until now that is. I bet today he woke up with DREAD weighing down on him, he has got to be feeling a bit uneasy and a lot of anxiety at this point. In his e-mail to his sister he spoke about this case losing it's umph, and hoping that people would just forget about Michelle, Rylan and their murders in time. Well, there you have it Jason, no one is forgetting and no one will forget. Unbelievable, that he didn't have the integrity to comment about the murders at all, never has shown any interest in the case and I suppose he never will. Where's Becky Holt ? What the hell is holding this case up ????
Jester
08-07-2009, 09:03 PM
After three years of avoiding interviewers/LE you'd think Jason Young would have something to say about his wife, child and their murders. But, all he could do was show his disbelief (fake) that NCWanted was there for "THAT" reason.
I think he was taken by surprise, he seems to think he is home free with this murder behind him, until now that is. I bet today he woke up with DREAD weighing down on him, he has got to be feeling a bit uneasy and a lot of anxiety at this point. In his e-mail to his sister he spoke about this case losing it's umph, and hoping that people would just forget about Michelle, Rylan and their murders in time. Well, there you have it Jason, no one is forgetting and no one will forget. Unbelievable, that he didn't have the integrity to comment about the murders at all, never has shown any interest in the case and I suppose he never will. Where's Becky Holt ? What the hell is holding this case up ????
Don't mean to be the pessimist, but I find it very hard to believe that a case is held up because one prosecutor happens to be working on another case. Prosecutors can easily have a couple of hundred cases going at the same time. If new evidence is found, the case would be reviewed by senior counsel, co-counsel, or someone else in the prosecutor's office. New evidence would not sit on the shelf because one prosecutor is busy ... I simply don't believe that.
If there's new evidence, someone will review it. If there is no new evidence, then it doesn't really matter what else the prosecutors are doing because nothing has changed ... still no pending arrest.
Kat4Eagles
08-07-2009, 09:10 PM
And he wasn't so ugly yet. :smile:
I don't recall anyone saying Jason looked Brad Pitt, but 2 Michelle's found him attractive enough to love, and 1 married him.
So, it would be nice to give them some credit for their feelings, huh?
:shrug:
Kat
Kat4Eagles
08-07-2009, 09:16 PM
Don't mean to be the pessimist, but I find it very hard to believe that a case is held up because one prosecutor happens to be working on another case. Prosecutors can easily have a couple of hundred cases going at the same time. If new evidence is found, the case would be reviewed by senior counsel, co-counsel, or someone else in the prosecutor's office. New evidence would not sit on the shelf because one prosecutor is busy ... I simply don't believe that.
If there's new evidence, someone will review it. If there is no new evidence, then it doesn't really matter what else the prosecutors are doing because nothing has changed ... still no pending arrest.
Jester, it is posts like this, that keep the Board honest.
The fact that even though you 100 % believe Jason is guilty, you are still fair enough to have some doubts about where this case is at.
I wish we could all be this fair and objectional at times.
No one has ever, ever said that they wished or hoped Michelle's
killer(s) would walk..but that is what some of us get falsely accused of....
:shrug:
Kat
Leanne Weich
08-07-2009, 09:19 PM
Don't mean to be the pessimist, but I find it very hard to believe that a case is held up because one prosecutor happens to be working on another case. Prosecutors can easily have a couple of hundred cases going at the same time. If new evidence is found, the case would be reviewed by senior counsel, co-counsel, or someone else in the prosecutor's office. New evidence would not sit on the shelf because one prosecutor is busy ... I simply don't believe that.
If there's new evidence, someone will review it. If there is no new evidence, then it doesn't really matter what else the prosecutors are doing because nothing has changed ... still no pending arrest.
Jester, I don't know how it works in NC, but I have known of cases to be set aside for a particular DA or ADA based on their success rates in similar type cases. I don't know if BH has a particularly good record with spousal murder cases but, if she does have, it makes sense to me. It seems to me that Colin Willoughby isn't one to try a case that isn't a slam dunk so I'd think he's palm this one off if he could.
We heard that the NC Wanted was going to try to get an interview with the slayer yesterday, well in advance. The same person says he/she heard that things would start moving once BH returned to the office. I'm hoping against all hope that that is true too.
BSNBREVARDNC
08-07-2009, 09:21 PM
Running around, spinning, smoking and mirrors is not the reason this case is being held up though...
Us JII's and fence~sitters have nothing to do with the above!!
If you expect me to answer your PM, you need to clear some out, you have exceeded your Message Quota.
Kat
Done. Sorry about that.
BSNBREVARDNC
08-07-2009, 09:21 PM
Don't mean to be the pessimist, but I find it very hard to believe that a case is held up because one prosecutor happens to be working on another case. Prosecutors can easily have a couple of hundred cases going at the same time. If new evidence is found, the case would be reviewed by senior counsel, co-counsel, or someone else in the prosecutor's office. New evidence would not sit on the shelf because one prosecutor is busy ... I simply don't believe that.
If there's new evidence, someone will review it. If there is no new evidence, then it doesn't really matter what else the prosecutors are doing because nothing has changed ... still no pending arrest.
Good post and very true.
Jester
08-07-2009, 09:25 PM
Jester, it is posts like this, that keep the Board honest.
The fact that even though you 100 % believe Jason is guilty, you are still fair enough to have some doubts about where this case is at.
I wish we could all be this fair and objectional at times.
No one has ever, ever said that they wished or hoped Michelle's
killer(s) would walk..but that is what some of us get accused of....
:shrug:
Kat
Thanks ... I have little hope that an arrest is in the near future. After almost three years, I have to assume all the evidence has been returned. The end result, at this time, is that there is not enough evidence to support an arrest of anyone in connection with Michelle's murder. It may take fresh eyes to find something new, but it's not realistic (imo) to believe that there is enough evidence for an arrest but one prosecutor simply doesn't have time, or can't be bothered, to act on it. Prosecutors can be busy, but ignoring major evidence that could lead to an arrest would constitute negligence.
Kat4Eagles
08-07-2009, 09:33 PM
Good post and very true.
I agree and to be fair, when those s/w's were released, there were some pretty powerful accusations that looked like this case was over.
But, then when nothing happened, you have to start wondering that if just one of those accusations were true, why isn't this done?
Which helps to strenghten my cause for doubt.
JMO
Kat
Jester
08-07-2009, 09:34 PM
Jester, I don't know how it works in NC, but I have known of cases to be set aside for a particular DA or ADA based on their success rates in similar type cases. I don't know if BH has a particularly good record with spousal murder cases but, if she does have, it makes sense to me. It seems to me that Colin Willoughby isn't one to try a case that isn't a slam dunk so I'd think he's palm this one off if he could.
We heard that the NC Wanted was going to try to get an interview with the slayer yesterday, well in advance. The same person says he/she heard that things would start moving once BH returned to the office. I'm hoping against all hope that that is true too.
I did a rough count of how many prosecutors there are in the Raleigh office ... about 29.
http://web.co.wake.nc.us/districtattorney/organization.htm
Surely they haven't placed all their eggs in one basket such that only one person can determine whether Michelle's murder can be solved. There's usually senior counsel, and co-counsel. If senior counsel is busy, co-counsel can still do the job. If there's enough for an arrest, co-counsel can forward the info to senior counsel, who can determine whether to issue an arrest warrant. Arresting the guilty party doesn't mean the prosecutor has to prepare immediately for trial, so it shouldn't take too much time out of senior prosecutor's busy schedule to work on more than one case at a time. That's just my layman's opinion.
Jester
08-07-2009, 09:37 PM
I agree and to be fair, when those s/w's were released, there were some pretty powerful accusations that looked like this case was over.
But, then when nothing happened, you have to start wondering that if just one of those accusations were true, why isn't this done?
Which helps to strengthen my cause for doubt.
JMO
Kat
I'm of the opinion that the accusations/allegations are true. The problem may be something as simple as the two shoe prints. Possibly the idea that there were two assailants has not been exhausted.
janesdeaan
08-07-2009, 09:50 PM
I'm of the opinion that the accusations/allegations are true. The problem may be something as simple as the two shoe prints. Possibly the idea that there were two assailants has not been exhausted.
I tend to think it is possible the case has been assigned to a particular DA, and rumor has it that DA is Becky Holt. As another poster said, the person behind these hopeful predictions does have an excellent track record so far so I am going with their opinions. When you put it the way you have, it sounds like absolute logic, but again, this posters track record is right on, and only time will tell. I just want the person responsible for this murder to be dealt with, that's all I want. Jason has remained the one and only suspect, in my opinion and that's why I think he is guilty, not because I have some hidden agenda, that would be ridiculous since I didnt know either of them. But, simply because the evidence points directly to him, and I have yet to see anyone else with suspicious behavior or really any real reason to want Michelle dead. Nice to see you Jester, your posts are very interesting as well as your open mind towards this case.
BSNBREVARDNC
08-07-2009, 10:13 PM
I agree and to be fair, when those s/w's were released, there were some pretty powerful accusations that looked like this case was over.
But, then when nothing happened, you have to start wondering that if just one of those accusations were true, why isn't this done?
Which helps to strenghten my cause for doubt.
JMO
Kat
I for one have always thought that there were really four “groups” posting on the Michelle Young threads and forums.
1)The JDI who believe or are convinced that Jason killed Michelle.
2) The JII who believe that Jason is innocent or that there is not yet enough evidence to say one way or the other.
3) People who pose as JII only for the purpose of getting the JDI riled up and really couldn’t care less about the case.
4) The Mega - JII who are friends and family of Jason who don’t care if he murdered Michelle or not. They are going to defend him regardless. In fact, the lack of an arrest is just what they are hoping for because they know that a solved case means that Jason is going on trial.
JMO of course.
Kat4Eagles
08-08-2009, 12:10 AM
I tend to think it is possible the case has been assigned to a particular DA, and rumor has it that DA is Becky Holt. As another poster said, the person behind these hopeful predictions does have an excellent track record so far so I am going with their opinions. When you put it the way you have, it sounds like absolute logic, but again, this posters track record is right on, and only time will tell. I just want the person responsible for this murder to be dealt with, that's all I want. Jason has remained the one and only suspect, in my opinion and that's why I think he is guilty, not because I have some hidden agenda, that would be ridiculous since I didnt know either of them. But, simply because the evidence points directly to him, and I have yet to see anyone else with suspicious behavior or really any real reason to want Michelle dead. Nice to see you Jester, your posts are very interesting as well as your open mind towards this case.
You don't need to wait for a particular DA to get an arrest or indictment.
You may want a certain DA who is familiar with the case when it goes to court, but there is no excuse for any delay in letting a murderer walk free.
And, you can only feel sorry for anyone who thinks that is what is holding up the case.
Kat
reborn
08-08-2009, 12:23 AM
I tend to think it is possible the case has been assigned to a particular DA, and rumor has it that DA is Becky Holt. As another poster said, the person behind these hopeful predictions does have an excellent track record so far so I am going with their opinions. When you put it the way you have, it sounds like absolute logic, but again, this posters track record is right on, and only time will tell. I just want the person responsible for this murder to be dealt with, that's all I want. Jason has remained the one and only suspect, in my opinion and that's why I think he is guilty, not because I have some hidden agenda, that would be ridiculous since I didnt know either of them. But, simply because the evidence points directly to him, and I have yet to see anyone else with suspicious behavior or really any real reason to want Michelle dead. Nice to see you Jester, your posts are very interesting as well as your open mind towards this case.
You have got to be kidding when you say this person has an excellant track record. This is the person that first started putting MF in a bad light and got us all to saying hummm.
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/post-347843.html#347843
Kat4Eagles
08-08-2009, 12:26 AM
I for one have always thought that there were really four “groups” posting on the Michelle Young threads and forums.
1)The JDI who believe or are convinced that Jason killed Michelle.
2) The JII who believe that Jason is innocent or that there is not yet enough evidence to say one way or the other.
3) People who pose as JII only for the purpose of getting the JDI riled up and really couldn’t care less about the case.
4) The Mega - JII who are friends and family of Jason who don’t care if he murdered Michelle or not. They are going to defend him regardless. In fact, the lack of an arrest is just what they are hoping for because they know that a solved case means that Jason is going on trial.
JMO of course.
It would be easy to put posters in categories, I guess, but since it is against TOS to do so or specifically call out another poster by name,
we can't.!!
I can safely tell you this though.
Every Board has their troublemakers, and they generally do not stay on one Board or one case.
Every Board has people who claim or pretend to have inside information, and promise things will happen, and when they
don't, they lose all credibility.
We have seen that happen here.
I don't think there is anyone on this Board that does not care about justice for Michelle.
And, like I posted earlier, no one here has ever, ever said they want the killer(*s) to go free.
I think some of the signs of seeing someone become so obsessive with the case, have scared some people though.
I know it scares me that someone would do anything out of the normal when following a case, other than just letting L E do their job......
If you think Jason killed Michelle, there is nothing you can do but sit back and wait until the time is right to arrest him........
If you think someone other than Jason killed Michelle, then that is your right too.
I haven't seen anything new since the last warrants were issued or anything to suggest what LE is or isn't doing.
Other than a little road trip to go to a insignificant bball game, there has been nothing.
Bottom line, once again, 33 months later=no arrest........
Kat
janesdeaan
08-08-2009, 12:28 AM
I'll put it this way, I am not going there with any of these argumentative posters. I am here for one reason, and one reason only, that is because I care that justice is done for Michelle and her baby. It makes no difference to me what some of you think, what you want or anything else, because we are not here for the same reasons. So, in actuality you are wasting your bandwidth trying to piss me off.
Jester
08-08-2009, 12:30 AM
Jester, has your community experienced severe budget cuts in education, state government and the justice department ?
So happens Wake County DA office can't even afford basic office supplies.
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1585711.html
The lead prosecutor for this case, Ms Holt, has been 'on loan' to the Feds to prosecute gang/drug crime in Wake County.
After a year away from the case, she is due back next month.
Yep, she will be handed a file labeled 'top Priority' :thumbup:
That's a first for me ... hearing about a pen and binder drive by a prosecutor's office. I hope it's true that it's a staff shortage and work overload that is delaying action on this case. I suppose the economy could play a role here, but under normal circumstances I would have a hard time believing it.
reborn
08-08-2009, 12:32 AM
Jester, has your community experienced severe budget cuts in education, state government and the justice department ?
So happens Wake County DA office can't even afford basic office supplies.
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1585711.html
The lead prosecutor for this case, Ms Holt, has been 'on loan' to the Feds to prosecute gang/drug crime in Wake County.
After a year away from the case, she is due back next month.
Yep, she will be handed a file labeled 'top Priority' :thumbup:
I find it hard to believe that BC was arrested shortly after his wife was murdered and Jason is still free because of budget cuts in the county. If the DA has evidence that JY killed his wife and is holding back on an arrest then he is not doing his job very well. I bet he doesn't appreciate you putting this info on the web.
Kat4Eagles
08-08-2009, 01:11 AM
That's a first for me ... hearing about a pen and binder drive by a prosecutor's office. I hope it's true that it's a staff shortage and work overload that is delaying action on this case. I suppose the economy could play a role here, but under normal circumstances I would have a hard time believing it.
Exactly, and we have read over and over what a vicious, bloody crime this was, even to the extent to which Michelle suffered.
Are we to believe that anything could be more important than to get the murderer(s) locked up?
What will be the new excuse if nothing happens in Sept, Oct, etc?
I can hardly wait to hear it.
Kat
Stellagant
08-08-2009, 02:03 AM
Amazing how his supporters have trumpeted loudly and clearly that his constitutional right is not to speak and shouldn't be held against him, yet seem to think the media's constitutional right of freedom of the press is not so important. The media had as much right as anyone else to be at the practice, imo.
Sorry. Constitutional protections don't extend to tabloid paparazzi. Those clowns were quickly tossed out of there.
Jester
08-08-2009, 04:10 AM
Exactly, and we have read over and over what a vicious, bloody crime this was, even to the extent to which Michelle suffered.
Are we to believe that anything could be more important than to get the murderer(s) locked up?
What will be the new excuse if nothing happens in Sept, Oct, etc?
I can hardly wait to hear it.
Kat
I seem to recall police saying it was a horrific scene.
Perhaps all the evidence from the investigation is in, police have analyzed it, and it's now waiting for the prosecutor's final review. Perhaps there is an overload in the prosecutor's office. If that is the case, then we should see something happening on the case towards the end of September. If nothing happens, then I think your predictions about it becoming a cold case will be true.
reborn
08-08-2009, 12:18 PM
I'm of the opinion that the accusations/allegations are true. The problem may be something as simple as the two shoe prints. Possibly the idea that there were two assailants has not been exhausted.
I just read the thread "Ohio teen cleared of twins death". Its at the beginning of this temp. forum. I think the cops got tunnel vision and ruined their chance of ever catching the real people responsible for Michelle and her baby's death. I have always thought 2 people killed Michelle. I also think someone took care of Cassidy that day. I think that accounts for her clean condition when cops arrived. If 2 people are involved there is always the chance one of them will say something to the wrong person and that will lead to an arrest. I sure would hate to be in the position of my freedom resting on what someone else might say.
Jester
08-08-2009, 02:22 PM
The prosecutor assigned to this case has been away doing grant work with the Feds since 9-1-08.(best in the office for murder cases).
The DA knew about the WD suit in early November and also knew there would be a custody suit in early 2009. Both of these could have provided 'extra' damning evidence....hence Brad Cooper you mentioned.
After his silence in both civil cases, the DA lost that opportunity.
WCSO clearly stated "there will be an indictment when the DA is more satisfied there is nothing else to get".
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/1445988.html
In addition, this was Becky Holt's case from day one. Indicting Jason Young while she was on leave would mean someone else would need to take the case, handling all of the very important pre-trial work.
Thankfully, the DA has obviously decided to continue the investigation until the top gun prosecutor, Ms Holt, is back and can proceed after getting up to speed on the evidence (word is she will return in early September).
Thanks for clarifying. I understand that the reasons the case is "on hold" are:
financial problems in the prosecutor's office
assigned senior prosecutor is away for a year
no one else is familiar enough to review case and proceed with charges
That leads me to believe that police are not concerned that Jason will flee the jurisdiction, or harm anyone else; that he is not considered a danger or a threat.
That's interesting, because recent video of him gives me the impression that he is rather high strung, neurotic, hyper, and that he places little value on the life of his deceased family. He strikes me as a man on the edge. Others have commented on his sallow skin (my words), drawn look, dark circles under his eyes, and appearance of not looking after his health. Men like that, men on the edge, can be a threat to their family. Cassidy, or Jason's mother, could possibly be in danger around him. Given the nature of Jason's crime - spousal homicide - I have to conclude that he has some very mixed up feelings about women. Those feelings would have begun during childhood and in his relationships with his mother and sisters. Although he focused his anger on Michelle in the past, there's no reason to assume that the other women in his life, women with expectations of him, would not be at equal risk.
Can you shed light on why Jason would not be considered a danger to anyone else in his life?
Jester
08-08-2009, 02:28 PM
I just read the thread "Ohio teen cleared of twins death". Its at the beginning of this temp. forum. I think the cops got tunnel vision and ruined their chance of ever catching the real people responsible for Michelle and her baby's death. I have always thought 2 people killed Michelle. I also think someone took care of Cassidy that day. I think that accounts for her clean condition when cops arrived. If 2 people are involved there is always the chance one of them will say something to the wrong person and that will lead to an arrest. I sure would hate to be in the position of my freedom resting on what someone else might say.
I think we have debated all positions on the facts released in search warrants, and there is little to be gained by repeating those debates. I doubt that two people were present at the murder, but I can't omit the possibility that there was an accomplice after the fact. In any case, we don't have enough information to know one way or another, so we'll have to wait for a trial. Jason has some close friends, so even if there is another person that knows something about the murder, he's probably confident in the knowledge that his secrets are safe.
Jester
08-08-2009, 03:39 PM
As of 8-1-09, Meredith Fisher has primary physical custody of Cassidy.
The agreement states he can have every other weekend visits.
Sure, anything can happen when you are dealing with a killer.
However, i'm sure psychological experts feel he would not harm Cassidy.
(He would have killed her too on 11-3-06 )
I have to say that sounds like a bit of a gamble. How often have we read about men, especially, that annihilate their families because they feel trapped or unable to cope? I believe it was the responsibilities in marriage that caused Jason to murder (my opinion) his wife and unborn child. Financial stress was one factor, but perhaps moreso the fact that he had responsibilities to assist with childcare, and be accountable to Michelle. Furthermore, with the admitted fact that Jason gave adult medication to a 2 year old, we cannot be sure that Jason intended for Cassidy to live.
Thus far, Jason seems confident that the police have insufficient evidence to bring charges, that his silence is his savior, and that eventually everyone will forget about the murder and move on with life. If he felt cornered, or believed that his freedom would be taken away, he may murder again ... this time making it a murder-suicide. Is there any reason to assume that Jason would not resort to murder to solve his problems if he has done it in the past, or would he hope that he will get away with murder even if charged?
Stellagant
08-08-2009, 03:50 PM
I just read the thread "Ohio teen cleared of twins death". Its at the beginning of this temp. forum. I think the cops got tunnel vision and ruined their chance of ever catching the real people responsible for Michelle and her baby's death. I have always thought 2 people killed Michelle. I also think someone took care of Cassidy that day. I think that accounts for her clean condition when cops arrived. If 2 people are involved there is always the chance one of them will say something to the wrong person and that will lead to an arrest. I sure would hate to be in the position of my freedom resting on what someone else might say.
LE also theorized in a search warrant that someone took Cassidy off the premises. It's the only logical explanation to explain why the child didn't have any blood on her. Alas, I think this logic wasn't apparent to the first investigators and that initial tunnel vision is why they haven't solved this case.
I do get a chuckle out of the ridiculous suggestion that the only reason there hasn't been arrest in this murder is because an assistant prosecutor isn't available to personally oversee it so the DA must wait until his assistant returns.
tarheelfan
08-08-2009, 03:51 PM
As of 8-1-09, Meredith Fisher has primary physical custody of Cassidy.
The agreement states he can have every other weekend visits.
Sure, anything can happen when you are dealing with a killer.
However, i'm sure psychological experts feel he would not harm Cassidy.
(He would have killed her too on 11-3-06 )
How do we know he didn't try......the scary part is, we don't.
MoonFlwr
08-08-2009, 03:59 PM
I interpreted the words, "You came here for THAT?" as him suddenly realising who the camera crew was and as surprise that they were suddenly there standing in front of him during half time at a basketball game.
Seeing a camera at a basketball game is not unusual, but to suddenly realise who they are and what they came for would be surprising.
Jester
08-08-2009, 04:01 PM
How do we know he didn't try......the scary part is, we don't.
I agree. We know that adult medication was used on Cassidy, and that Jason has admitted to administering diluted adult medication to her. We don't know that this happened on the night of the murder, but we do know that Cassidy - presumably an active 2 year old - was found on the bed next to her mother at about noon the afternoon after the murder. It's possible that she was over-medicated on the night of the murder, and it's also possible that she was intended to be a victim - soft kill.
I doubt Jason will murder again if he feels that he got away with murder, but if a similar set of pressures occur in his life (like prior to Michelle's murder), he could resort to the same method of solving his problems.
Stellagant
08-08-2009, 04:02 PM
I have to say that sounds like a bit of a gamble. How often have we read about men, especially, that annihilate their families because they feel trapped or unable to cope? I believe it was the responsibilities in marriage that caused Jason to murder (my opinion) his wife and unborn child. Financial stress was one factor, but perhaps moreso the fact that he had responsibilities to assist with childcare, and be accountable to Michelle. Furthermore, with the admitted fact that Jason gave adult medication to a 2 year old, we cannot be sure that Jason intended for Cassidy to live.
Thus far, Jason seems confident that the police have insufficient evidence to bring charges, that his silence is his savior, and that eventually everyone will forget about the murder and move on with life. If he felt cornered, or believed that his freedom would be taken away, he may murder again ... this time making it a murder-suicide. Is there any reason to assume that Jason would not resort to murder to solve his problems if he has done it in the past, or would he hope that he will get away with murder even if charged?
According to Jason's comments quoted in a search warrant, it is his attorney who is confident that silence is the best course of action and three years later, he's been right. The only way an attorney can be that confident is if the attorney knows there is direct evidence Jason didn't have opportunity.
Stellagant
08-08-2009, 04:05 PM
I agree. We know that adult medication was used on Cassidy, and that Jason has admitted to administering diluted adult medication to her. We don't know that this happened on the night of the murder, but we do know that Cassidy - presumably an active 2 year old - was found on the bed next to her mother at about noon the afternoon after the murder. It's possible that she was over-medicated on the night of the murder, and it's also possible that she was intended to be a victim - soft kill.
I doubt Jason will murder again if he feels that he got away with murder, but if a similar set of pressures occur in his life (like prior to Michelle's murder), he could resort to the same method of solving his problems.
Since when does diluting medication result in over-medication? Your theory isn't logical.
Jester
08-08-2009, 04:07 PM
I interpreted the words, "You came here for THAT?" as him suddenly realising who the camera crew was and as surprise that they were suddenly there standing in front of him during half time at a basketball game.
Seeing a camera at a basketball game is not unusual, but to suddenly realise who they are and what they came for would be surprising.
Let's use a hypothetical to examine whether his response was reasonable. Let's suppose that Meredith was at a sports event, and during a break the media approached her and asked her if she had a comment about her sister's murder. Would it be reasonable, predictable, or normal for her to say "you came here for that?", or would we expect her to say something more along the lines of "no comment", "thank you for your interest but I cannot comment due to the ongoing investigation", or something else along those lines?
The "you came here for that?", particularly with the emphasis on "that", one gets the impression that Jason thinks "that" is of no interest to him or anyone, is insignificant, and not worth the effort. He gives me the impression that "that" does not deserve all the trouble of cameras and questions.
Stellagant
08-08-2009, 04:11 PM
I interpreted the words, "You came here for THAT?" as him suddenly realising who the camera crew was and as surprise that they were suddenly there standing in front of him during half time at a basketball game.
Seeing a camera at a basketball game is not unusual, but to suddenly realise who they are and what they came for would be surprising.
Seeing strangers with a camera at a recreational center is not only unusual but also a bit strange, imo. Learning the camera is there for no other reason than to ambush someone would be not only surprising but also give concern to safety. I have no doubt law enforcement was also alerted.
MoonFlwr
08-08-2009, 04:11 PM
Let's use a hypothetical to examine whether his response was reasonable. Let's suppose that Meredith was at a sports event, and during a break the media approached her and asked her if she had a comment about her sister's murder. Would it be reasonable, predictable, or normal for her to say "you came here for that?", or would we expect her to say something more along the lines of "no comment", "thank you for your interest but I cannot comment due to the ongoing investigation", or something else along those lines?
The "you came here for that?", particularly with the emphasis on "that", one gets the impression that Jason thinks "that" is of no interest to him or anyone, is insignificant, and not worth the effort. He gives me the impression that "that" does not deserve all the trouble of cameras and questions.
That's your take on it, but, to me, it came across as him voicing surprise at suddenly realising why the cameras were there. It doesn't see outrageous to me....seems pretty normal.
Oh...I am at a basketball game...a camera appears...(thought that may be a normal thing to see, but a previous poster just said it wasn't)....suddenly the camera is in YOUR face and you think...Oh! It's not about basketball....something completely different. It's odd timing.
Stellagant
08-08-2009, 04:15 PM
Let's use a hypothetical to examine whether his response was reasonable. Let's suppose that Meredith was at a sports event, and during a break the media approached her and asked her if she had a comment about her sister's murder. Would it be reasonable, predictable, or normal for her to say "you came here for that?", or would we expect her to say something more along the lines of "no comment", "thank you for your interest but I cannot comment due to the ongoing investigation", or something else along those lines?
The "you came here for that?", particularly with the emphasis on "that", one gets the impression that Jason thinks "that" is of no interest to him or anyone, is insignificant, and not worth the effort. He gives me the impression that "that" does not deserve all the trouble of cameras and questions.
Jason's first words weren't "you came here for that." His first words were a question as to who they were and why they are there. I think anybody's response would be similar when approached and photographed by strangers who fail to identify themselves.
Jester
08-08-2009, 04:17 PM
That's your take on it, but, to me, it came across as him voicing surprise at suddenly realising why the cameras were there. It doesn't see outrageous to me....seems pretty normal.
Oh...I am at a basketball game...a camera appears...(thought that may be a normal thing to see, but a previous poster just said it wasn't)....suddenly the camera is in YOUR face and you think...Oh! It's not about basketball....something completely different. It's odd timing.
He is surprised that there are cameras at the basketball halftime, and he is surprised that it's about his murdered wife ... but it is his response that seems so odd. The reporter asks him about "Michelle Young" and his response is "you came here about that", not even using her name.
Stellagant
08-08-2009, 04:20 PM
That's your take on it, but, to me, it came across as him voicing surprise at suddenly realising why the cameras were there. It doesn't see outrageous to me....seems pretty normal.
Oh...I am at a basketball game...a camera appears...(thought that may be a normal thing to see, but a previous poster just said it wasn't)....suddenly the camera is in YOUR face and you think...Oh! It's not about basketball....something completely different. It's odd timing.
I have to agree with you. I'm just going by my own experience and I don't recall ever seeing anyone taking video of sports activities who weren't obviously tied in some way to the people playing.
Jester
08-08-2009, 04:20 PM
Jason's first words weren't "you came here for that." His first words were a question as to who they were and why they are there. I think anybody's response would be similar when approached and photographed by strangers who fail to identify themselves.
Actually, Jason's first words on camera were at 48 seconds into the clip where he whacks his chest with his left hand and weirdly says to himself "my bad". That, coming from a 35ish year old man, strikes me as bizarre.
MoonFlwr
08-08-2009, 04:23 PM
He is surprised that there are cameras at the basketball halftime, and he is surprised that it's about his murdered wife ... but it is his response that seems so odd. The reporter asks him about "Michelle Young" and his response is "you came here about that", not even using her name.
Yes, between breaths, sweating, getting a drink...it's not that odd to express your surprise at the reason there is suddenly a camera in your face. He didn't have time to think of the perfect response, he simply said..."Ohhhhhhh that."
It's being read into way too much.
Put yourself in that siutation....doing some regular daily activity and suddenly out of the blue, camera there..."We'd like to have a word with you".
Come on...be realistic.
MoonFlwr
08-08-2009, 04:24 PM
Jason's first words weren't "you came here for that." His first words were a question as to who they were and why they are there. I think anybody's response would be similar when approached and photographed by strangers who fail to identify themselves.
Yes! I am so glad you mentioned that because I was going to point it out in my post, but you did it better than I could've! :)
Stellagant
08-08-2009, 04:37 PM
The "DA" is not prosecuting the case, his assistant, Becky Holt is.
She returns to her duties next month, which includes the Young murder case.
Do you have a link because I'm pretty sure the DA isn't going to assign an assistant to prosecute a case that hasn't even been solved. In reality, several attorneys from the DA's office have spoken to the media about this case over the years including the DA himself. He's never said it is assigned to Holt and Holt is the only assistant capable of handling it. GMAB
FYI: The DA prosecutes every case. It's what he was elected to do.
Jester
08-08-2009, 04:41 PM
Yes, between breaths, sweating, getting a drink...it's not that odd to express your surprise at the reason there is suddenly a camera in your face. He didn't have time to think of the perfect response, he simply said..."Ohhhhhhh that."
It's being read into way too much.
Put yourself in that situation....doing some regular daily activity and suddenly out of the blue, camera there..."We'd like to have a word with you".
Come on...be realistic.
"Ohhhhhhh that" is similar to his words to describe the brutal murder of his life partner, his wife, his beloved, and the second unborn son of his to never see the light of day. If he can refer to his murdered family as "Ohhhhhhh that", then yes, I have some serious concerns about how he really feels about them being gone.
Stellagant
08-08-2009, 04:42 PM
Actually, Jason's first words on camera were at 48 seconds into the clip where he whacks his chest with his left hand and weirdly says to himself "my bad". That, coming from a 35ish year old man, strikes me as bizarre.
Jason didn't say that to the camera but it's also a fairly common expression that you're trying to spin into something bizarre, imo.
Stellagant
08-08-2009, 04:48 PM
The only reason Howard Cummings has been interviewed is because Ms Holt has been unavailable. Go back and check the early news articles that stated Becky Holt was assigned the case and visited the murder scene. You are correct the "DA" is ultimately responsible. However, it is also rare for him to 'personally' prosecute cases.
According to YOU, Ms. Holt was reassigned a year ago. You haven't provided any links to support any of your claims, btw. Your suggestion that she and only she is capable of prosecuting this case even though she's (according to you) been away for a year is pretty laughable.
I'm pretty confident that the DA has more than one assistant capable of prosecuting a murder and the DA isn't delaying an arrest in this horrific homicide because he needs Ms. Holt's "help."
MoonFlwr
08-08-2009, 04:49 PM
If you followed this case since 11/06, you would understand what these posters are talking about. "That" is something he wanted to forget the very day he killed her.
I've followed this case.....ALL along.
reborn
08-08-2009, 04:50 PM
The "DA" is not prosecuting the case, his assistant, Becky Holt is.
She returns to her duties next month, which includes the Young murder case.
You don't seem to comprehend that if Jason were arrested today he won't be prosecuted for a year or longer. Are you trying to say she is the only one that can present the facts to a GJ? That not saying much for the other procutors in the office.
Stellagant
08-08-2009, 04:52 PM
Yes! I am so glad you mentioned that because I was going to point it out in my post, but you did it better than I could've! :)
LOL! Funny how the reality is conveniently omitted, isn't it? :lol:
Stellagant
08-08-2009, 04:54 PM
So who do you think murdered Michelle ?
Any clue ?
The cops have given sworn testimony they think Jason Young is the killer.
One cop, not plural and nearly a year later he still hasn't persuaded the DA he's right.
Stellagant
08-08-2009, 04:59 PM
You don't seem to comprehend the DA's office does not present the case to the GJ. The cops do.
The day he is indicted, the prosecutor goes to work with pre-trial motions, death penalty consideration, ect.
This is Becky Holt's case and she will handle every phase of prosecution.
I'm pretty sure the District Attorney convenes a Grand Jury, not the sheriff's office.
Jester
08-08-2009, 05:02 PM
Jason didn't say that to the camera but it's also a fairly common expression that you're trying to spin into something bizarre, imo.
He said it, it was his first remark on camera, and to each their own, but 35ish year old men borrowing colloquialisms from valleygirl-speak ... weird.
Stellagant
08-08-2009, 05:05 PM
As the lead investigator for 2 years, he spoke for WCSO, including the sheriff.
He gave his opinion. His opinion hasn't resulted in a solved crime. The Sheriff's staff needs to spend less time offering opinions and more time solving unsolved murders is my opinion.
Suggesting the only reason there hasn't been an arrest is because the DA needs his assistant to return really is funny. Thanks for the laugh of the day!!!
Stellagant
08-08-2009, 05:28 PM
You obviously are misinformed about how a GJ works in Wake County.
The WCGJ is bi-weekly on a regular schedule. No 'convening'.
There are 100's of cases each and every session.
FYI, the DA office is not allowed in the GJ room.
The only exception is when the GJ has a legal question that needs clarification. The DA then leaves the room while the cops present the evidence.
LOL!! Cops present TESTIMONY to a Grand Jury, they do not conduct the proceeding.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_jury
"In the common law, a grand jury is a type of jury that determines whether there is enough evidence for a trial. Grand juries carry out this duty by examining evidence presented to them by a prosecutor and issuing indictments,"
Stellagant
08-08-2009, 05:31 PM
YOU laugh ?
Now that is funny :laugh:
I never said the only reason .
CE cases take time and you can't get too much evidence.
Like Spivey said, there will be an indictment when the DA feels there is nothing else to get .
What part of that do you not understand :confused:
You certainly are confused. Spivey's opinion isn't evidence nor does he represent the DA. That's more than obvious considering the many months that haven't resulted in an arrest after Spivey expressed his opinion.
Stellagant
08-08-2009, 05:36 PM
I must hand it to you, Thunderbird, you have the patience of a saint. I am confident the poster who resists the facts will never accept anything that puts the slayer in a bad light. I have a feeling s/he will be sorely disappointed, once the indictment is handed down, but will continue to refute any solid evidence that is presented. Such is the way of some posters.
Jason Lynn Young will pay for murdering his wife and unborn son. That is my belief. MUO
Do you also share Thunderbird's belief that the DA isn't allowed in the Grand Jury room and that cops are the ones who present a case to the Grand Jury?
Some posters such as myself prefer the actual killer "pay" for murdering the victims rather than see someone railroaded because of inept police work.
Stellagant
08-08-2009, 05:44 PM
He said it, it was his first remark on camera, and to each their own, but 35ish year old men borrowing colloquialisms from valleygirl-speak ... weird.
It's an expression that didn't originate with a valley girl. GMAB. Shakespeare used it and it's pretty silly that you're trying to spin it into something else.
Stellagant
08-08-2009, 06:33 PM
Does your winkipedia article include Wake County criminal cases ?
No it does not.
I repeat.
The DA is NOT present in the GJ room.
The cops present their case and the GJ decides to indict.
yes, the Wake County process is included in the Wikipedia link. I guess you're not familiar with the term "common law" but it is a term that applies to Wake County.
Cops do not "present" cases to grand juries. Prosecutors do. That's a fact whether you want to believe it or not.
Stellagant
08-08-2009, 06:59 PM
I refuse to argue on and on about something you obviously know nothing about. :rolleyes:
The average case lasts 5 minutes and is nothing more than the lead investigator reading his probable cause to indict.
The prosecutor does not present the case, the investigator that developed the evidence does. Saying otherwise does not make it true.
You're wrong yet again.
The NC Statutes make it true whether you want to believe it or not.
:rolleyes:
http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/BySection/Chapter_15A/GS_15A-623.html
§ 15A‑623. Grand jury proceedings and operation in general.
"a prosecutor shall be present to examine witnesses, and a court reporter shall be present and record the examination of witnesses. The record shall be transcribed. "
5swab5
08-08-2009, 07:22 PM
It's an expression that didn't originate with a valley girl. GMAB. Shakespeare used it and it's pretty silly that you're trying to spin it into something else.
Hardly,
I'll tell you a few things that are silly.
Jason Lynn Young has never inquired/asked or spoken to LE about the brutal murder of his wife and unborn child.
Jason Lynn Young didn't attend any Memorials celebrating Michelle's life, he didn't even see fit to erect a headstone for his son and Michelle.
Jason Lynn Young's idea of grieving is celebrating the anniversary of the end of Michelle & Rylan's lives partying in Puerto Rico.
Jason Lynn Young Ceded PRIMARY PHYSICAL CUSTODY of his only child, to avoid a psyche exam and a deposition.
Jason Lynn Young owes Michelle's rightful heirs MILLIONS! What is he bothering to go to school for, he shouldn't ever be able to see a SINGLE nickel of his wages.
Jason Lynn Young had a GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY to go on camera and PLEAD for the arrest and conviction of the perpetrator of the heinous crime that annihilated his family, but all he can come up with is: You came here for THAT.
Jason Lynn Young is still walking free on this planet.
Jason Lynn Young inhales oxygen on any given day.
^^^For starters^^^
MOO
Stellagant
08-08-2009, 07:31 PM
Hardly,
I'll tell you a few things that are silly.
~snipped for length~
Jason Lynn Young had a GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY to go on camera and PLEAD for the arrest and conviction of the perpetrator of the heinous crime that annihilated his family, but all he can come up with is: You came here for THAT.
Jason Lynn Young is still walking free on this planet.
Jason Lynn Young inhales oxygen on any given day.
^^^For starters^^^
MOO
ITA. It is pretty silly for you to suggest that this crime would be solved if only Jason Young would go on camera and PLEAD for the arrest and conviction of his family's killer.
Jason Lynn Young is still walking free on this planet because that's the way our system of justice works. I don't find our justice system nearly as silly as you do.
Stellagant
08-08-2009, 07:39 PM
Keep trying :lol:
That passage you quoted is for investigative Grand Jury proceedings....only used in drug conspirancy cases in WC.
Why do you feel the need to complicate such a minor issue ?
The fact is, Spivey will read his PC and in a matter of minutes, the GJ will return a true bill and then they move to the next case.
Wrong again. I provided a link. No mention anywhere that it only applies to drug conspiracy cases. Feel free to keep arguing but I've already proved you wrong.
Why do you need to constantly post misinformation? If it were remotely true that all Spivey has to do to obtain an indictment is "read his PC" (whatever that means) he would have done it already. The fact that months have gone by with no arrest makes Spivey look pretty inept, imo.
Stellagant
08-08-2009, 07:45 PM
Stellagant, Your presence here under scores of nics has always been to trash and vilify Meredith Fisher. Now that the prime suspect signed over primary custody to MF (with courts approval), your 2 year smear campaign was obviously targeted at the wrong person.
So tell me, if not Jason Young or MF, who in a light SUV had the motive to beat a pregnant mother to death ?
Not only have I not trashed anyone, I haven't mentioned that name here at all today.
I don't engage in your double standard of it's okay for you to trash Jason Young for nearly three years but it isn't okay for anyone to speculate somebody else did it.
Stellagant
08-08-2009, 08:02 PM
:laugh::laugh::laugh:
"In North Carolina, it takes a legislative vote to expand the power of grand juries. In 1986, lawmakers approved investigative grand juries on a limited basis, in drug-trafficking cases only."
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/104256/
FYI: this is a murder case, not a drug trafficking case. The link I supplied was to the NC Statute pertaining to Superior Court. In NC, all murder cases fall under the jurisdiction of Superior Court:
http://www.ncleg.net/gascripts/Statutes/StatutesTOC.pl?Chapter=0015A
Article 31.
The Grand Jury and Its Proceedings.
§ 15A‑621. "Grand jury" defined.
A grand jury is a body consisting of not less than 12 nor more than 18 persons, impaneled by a superior court and constituting a part of such court. (1973, c. 1286, s. 1.)
http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislat...S_15A-623.html
Stellagant
08-08-2009, 08:05 PM
I ask again.
If not JY or MF, who else (in a light SUV similar to a Ford Explorer) could possibly have the motive to bludgeon a pregnant mother to death ?
I still think MF was involved.
Barbara2
08-08-2009, 08:08 PM
I still think MF was involved.
Sure. That's why she is now primary guardian of Cassidy. :rolleyes:
Stellagant
08-08-2009, 08:22 PM
Sure. That's why she is now primary guardian of Cassidy. :rolleyes:
And what is your point exactly? Since it was Jason's decision two years after the murder, how is that a sign of Jason's guilt or her innocence?
Stellagant
08-08-2009, 08:24 PM
One think about you is for sure.
You can never admit you were ever wrong :rolleyes:
FYI: The case isn't solved and LE has not eliminated anybody as a suspect.
Stellagant
08-08-2009, 08:34 PM
Really ?
I seem to recall Spivey saying under oath he believes Jason Young was the killer.
The only one not eliminated is Jason Lynn Young.
yeah, that Spivey is never wrong. Fortunately, the prosecutor doesn't base his decisions on tunnel-vision opinions not supported by real evidence any more than he waits for an assistant to return before he indicts a homicide.
Stellagant
08-08-2009, 08:48 PM
Your statement "LE has not eliminated anybody as a suspect."
As lead investigator for the past 2 1/2 years, Spivey is "LE'.
I was simply correcting your inaccurate statement....again.:wink:
You need to learn facts about this case rather than continuing to spout misinformation and claim it is fact.
Spivey didn't eliminate anyone as a suspect.
tarheelfan
08-08-2009, 08:51 PM
One thing about you is for sure.
You can never admit you were ever wrong :rolleyes:
:thumbsup::thumbsup:
tarheelfan
08-08-2009, 08:53 PM
FYI: The case isn't solved and LE has not eliminated anybody as a suspect.
LE has named slayer young as their ONLY suspect.
Stellagant
08-08-2009, 08:58 PM
LE has named slayer young as their ONLY suspect.
post a link. Thanks.
Leanne Weich
08-08-2009, 11:27 PM
Raw video from NCWANTED
http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/video/5743505/
When he's walking down the passage and turns around and says something, can you make out what he said?
Barbara2
08-08-2009, 11:32 PM
When he's walking down the passage and turns around and says something, can you make out what he said?
I can only guess. "Leave me alone! I'm calling mommy!!!!"
reborn
08-08-2009, 11:47 PM
I refuse to argue on and on about something you obviously know nothing about. :rolleyes:
The average case lasts 5 minutes and is nothing more than the lead investigator reading his probable cause to indict.
The prosecutor does not present the case, the investigator that developed the evidence does. Saying otherwise does not make it true.
If what you say is true then why are we waiting on Becky Holt?
Barbara2
08-08-2009, 11:49 PM
If what you say is true then why are we waiting on Becky Holt?
Getting the indictment is only the first step. Then you have to prosecute the case. You need a prosecutor for that.
Jester
08-09-2009, 12:12 AM
If what you say is true then why are we waiting on Becky Holt?
It seems that Becky Holt is most familiar with the case, and in the best position to review the case and make a decision about how to proceed. Prosecutors go on vacation all the time and typically oversee urgent matters related other prosecutor's files if needed, so it surprises me that this particular case cannot move forward without one prosecutor, but maybe it will make more sense in September.
reborn
08-09-2009, 12:12 AM
A grand jury can indict a ham sandwich if it wants to.
'reborn' should worry about the death penalty option. :thumbup:
Why should I worry about the death penalty option?
Jester
08-09-2009, 12:12 AM
Getting the indictment is only the first step. Then you have to prosecute the case. You need a prosecutor for that.
There are 29 prosecutors in the office.
Barbara2
08-09-2009, 12:14 AM
There are 29 prosecutors in the office.
I thought that Becky Holt was assigned to this case from the very beginning. I could be wrong.
Jester
08-09-2009, 12:17 AM
I thought that Becky Holt was assigned to this case from the very beginning. I could be wrong.
Possibly, but if she is out of the office and no longer has her name organization's list, one does have to wonder whether she is returning. Even if she was assigned to the case at the beginning, her cases would have been reassigned to other prosecutors during a year long absence. I would be surprised if all the cases assigned to her sat on a shelf for a year.
http://web.co.wake.nc.us/districtattorney/organization.htm
Kat4Eagles
08-09-2009, 12:20 AM
Getting the indictment is only the first step. Then you have to prosecute the case. You need a prosecutor for that.
The point is that Jason could have been arrested and indicted anytime in the last 33 months.
The point is, he hasn't been.!!
You don't wait for any reason to arrest and indict someone.
You lock them up, get them off the streets, for fear they will harm someone else or even themselves.
You want your case to go as quickly into the judicial system as possible.
If you have a good strong case.
If you have a weak case, then you make excuse or excuse as to why you can't go forward.
Remember the interview that L E gave saying the longer a case goes on, people's recollection of facts fade and they don't always remember things correctly......
This has gone on forever......
You don't need any more evidence if what was released in the s/w's were true!!
They would have had enough to get their indictment on Day 1 !!
Instead, it is Day 995 !!
Omg, in 5 days, it will be 1000 days since Michelle was killed.....
If you want to keep using the reason that there has been no arrest is because the Prosecutor is umm, too busy, you won't mind if I use my favorite icon.
:rolleyes:
Thanxxx!!
Kat
Kat4Eagles
08-09-2009, 12:22 AM
There are 29 prosecutors in the office.
No, that would make too much sense to use one of them.
See, this makes a good excuse as to why no arrest.!!
:biggrin:
Kat
Jester
08-09-2009, 12:23 AM
Yes, she was assigned the case day 1.
Look for her return 9-1-09 :thumbup:
The only way this makes sense is if Jason Young is not considered a flight risk or a danger to anyone, and new evidence has either not been reviewed or is not significant. Any other situation and the case would have been reassigned.
Jester
08-09-2009, 12:27 AM
No, that would make too much sense to use one of them.
See, this makes a good excuse as to why no arrest.!!
:biggrin:
Kat
I'm pretty sure that prosecutors can have a couple of hundred ongoing cases at any given time. If they are on sabbatical, or away, for a year then those cases have to be reassigned. I have to wonder why this particular case was not reassigned. Is it because there was no movement on the file? It strikes me as very odd that new evidence has been gathered, but no one has time to review it. Perhaps nothing new has been learned and, after the prosecutor completes her leave, she will proceed with the evidence that has already been gathered.
Kat4Eagles
08-09-2009, 12:29 AM
Why should I worry about the death penalty option?
Lol, you shouldn't.
This case looks like it hit a dead end months and months ago.
Maybe they thought accepting the reward offer from Progress Energy would do the trick.
Maybe they thought by releasing the info in the s/w's that they had, Jason might get scared and start talking.
Maybe they thought by releasing such damaging info, the public would camp out on the courtroom steps demanding an arrest.
So, they waited out the civil suit and custody suit.
Maybe that's when they thought they had him.
Jason didn't blink.
Maybe they thought a lame tv bball interview would bring this case some attention.
Who knows anymore?
:shrug:
Kat
reborn
08-09-2009, 12:37 AM
I'm pretty sure that prosecutors can have a couple of hundred ongoing cases at any given time. If they are on sabbatical, or away, for a year then those cases have to be reassigned. I have to wonder why this particular case was not reassigned. Is it because there was no movement on the file? It strikes me as very odd that new evidence has been gathered, but no one has time to review it. Perhaps nothing new has been learned and, after the prosecutor completes her leave, she will proceed with the evidence that has already been gathered.
I haven't a clue as to what that evidence is. Are they going with the fact he had an affair? I have seen nothing else proved. The theory that he drugged Cassidy and she happened to wake up chatting up a storm when MF walked in won't fly. Someone cleaned her up and she was not allowed in the room where her mother was . So who took care of her that day? What about the statement on MF's my space about Cassidy watching a movie and eating jelly beans all day ? We don't have excess to that statement and I don't know if police could retrieve it but when did Cassidy do this? Something just doesn't set right with this case.
5swab5
08-09-2009, 12:39 AM
It seems that Becky Holt is most familiar with the case, and in the best position to review the case and make a decision about how to proceed. Prosecutors go on vacation all the time and typically oversee urgent matters related other prosecutor's files if needed, so it surprises me that this particular case cannot move forward without one prosecutor, but maybe it will make more sense in September.
I hope September makes more sense too.
Were it up to me, I would have arrested his murdering rear end that very night. NO-------I would have called Brevard and had THEM arrest him for me.
OOPS, what good would that have done? Reporters can be openly ASSAULTED in Brevard, with apparently no repercussions. Wonder how the people that live there would feel about that...IF the local affiliate even bothered to televise the truth?
Think that the parents of the scumbag that tossed the BasketBall would be proud? How about his deacon? What about his God?
Brevard needs to WAKE UP! They are harboring a DOUBLE MURDERER! Court DECLARED SLAYER! A wife and baby killer. This is not "Deliverance". This is 2009 for heaven's sake!
BTW, why is Jason surrounding himself with such younger boys. Can't he fool his men buddies anymore?
MOO
Jester
08-09-2009, 12:39 AM
Well, Ms Holt is the Top Gun among the WCDA crew.
(she is well worth the wait)
Fact is , she has been on 'special assignment' with the FEDS since last fall.
Is Jason Young a danger to others ? A flight risk ?
Could be on both accounts....doubtful though.
After 33 months, I don't see a problem with waiting another 6 weeks. I'm certainly not ready to conclude that Jason is innocent or that the case will remain unsolved due to the duration of the investigation.
Kat4Eagles
08-09-2009, 12:40 AM
I'm pretty sure that prosecutors can have a couple of hundred ongoing cases at any given time. If they are on sabbatical, or away, for a year then those cases have to be reassigned. I have to wonder why this particular case was not reassigned. Is it because there was no movement on the file? It strikes me as very odd that new evidence has been gathered, but no one has time to review it. Perhaps nothing new has been learned and, after the prosecutor completes her leave, she will proceed with the evidence that has already been gathered.
Yep. Jester, common sense tells you that a murder case ready to be filed doesn't sit on someone's desk collecting dust until only one certain Prosecutor gets around to filing it!!.
Check this out..
LE 1 : What's going on with the Young case?
LE 2 : We got him cold, just waiting on Becky to come back..
LE 1: All this time?, you are kidding, right?
LE2: Nahh, they want Becky........
LE 1: So, meanwhile we just let Jason continue to play bball and do whatever else he wants?
LE 2: Yeah, I guess so.
LE 1: Hey,didn't this guy go to Puerto Rico a few times?
LE 1: What if he runs?
LE 2: Guess, that is the chance we have to take.
:thud:
Kat
reborn
08-09-2009, 12:41 AM
Well, Ms Holt is the Top Gun among the WCDA crew.
(she is well worth the wait)
Fact is , she has been on 'special assignment' with the FEDS since last fall.
Is Jason Young a danger to others ? A flight risk ?
Could be on both accounts....doubtful though.
Was MY more important than NC? The Da didn't wait for their top gun to arrest him. I'm betting its because they had the evidence to indict. I'm betting they don't have the evidence is why JY hasn't been indicted.
Jester
08-09-2009, 12:43 AM
I hope September makes more sense too.
Were it up to me, I would have arrested his murdering rear end that very night. NO-------I would have called Brevard and had THEM arrest him for me.
OOPS, what good would that have done? Reporters can be openly ASSAULTED in Brevard, with apparently no repercussions. Wonder how the people that live there would feel about that...IF the local affiliate even bothered to televise the truth?
Think that the parents of the scumbag that tossed the BasketBall would be proud? How about his deacon? What about his God?
Brevard needs to WAKE UP! They are harboring a DOUBLE MURDERER! Court DECLARED SLAYER! A wife and baby killer. This is not "Deliverance". This is 2009 for heaven's sake!
BTW, why is Jason surrounding himself with such younger boys. Can't he fool his men buddies anymore?
MOO
I smiled when the young teammate described Jason as a "murder suspect", albeit with the right to say nothing.
The ball at the camera looked planned and deliberate ... any one of those guys could have intercepted the ball before it hit the camera.
Kat4Eagles
08-09-2009, 12:45 AM
After 33 months, I don't see a problem with waiting another 6 weeks. I'm certainly not ready to conclude that Jason is innocent or that the case will remain unsolved due to the duration of the investigation.
Why do I have this feeling we are going to wait more than 6 weeks.?
But, hey, if you* need another 6 weeks, 6 months, 6 years, take all the time you* need.!!
* not you personally.
I am a good counter.
:biggrin:
Kat
reborn
08-09-2009, 12:45 AM
I smiled when the young teammate described Jason as a "murder suspect", albeit with the right to say nothing.
The ball at the camera looked planned and deliberate ... any one of those guys could have intercepted the ball before it hit the camera.
And yet neither team did. Makes me go humm.
Stellagant
08-09-2009, 12:45 AM
If what you say is true then why are we waiting on Becky Holt?
It isn't true but is pretty desperate spinning as to why there hasn't been an indictment of Jason Young. LOL
5swab5
08-09-2009, 12:45 AM
(SNIPPED for DOUBLE SPACING! Which IS against the RULES!) Kat
Kat, we have asked, begged, pleaded and cajoled about this. PLEASE stop! We finally have the forum back open, don't give anyone anything to report.
Thanxxxxxxx
Kat4Eagles
08-09-2009, 12:47 AM
Was MY more important than NC? The Da didn't wait for their top gun to arrest him. I'm betting its because they had the evidence to indict. I'm betting they don't have the evidence is why JY hasn't been indicted.
Sounds like a good bet to me, I am all in.......
:)
Kat
Good to see you Reborn, Stella, etc.....been awhile!!
Jester
08-09-2009, 12:49 AM
I haven't a clue as to what that evidence is. Are they going with the fact he had an affair? I have seen nothing else proved. The theory that he drugged Cassidy and she happened to wake up chatting up a storm when MF walked in won't fly. Someone cleaned her up and she was not allowed in the room where her mother was . So who took care of her that day? What about the statement on MF's my space about Cassidy watching a movie and eating jelly beans all day ? We don't have excess to that statement and I don't know if police could retrieve it but when did Cassidy do this? Something just doesn't set right with this case.
I doubt there's much point in rehashing everyone's position on what evidence is publicly known. We've debated that ad nauseum and in circles until the board was shut down. No point in a repeat performance.
What doesn't sit right is that there appears to be so much evidence implicating Jason Young in the murder of his wife and unborn son, yet he is filmed, looking somewhat sallow, playing basketball and referring to his wife as "that".
Kat4Eagles
08-09-2009, 12:49 AM
I smiled when the young teammate described Jason as a "murder suspect", albeit with the right to say nothing.
The ball at the camera looked planned and deliberate ... any one of those guys could have intercepted the ball before it hit the camera.
The whole thing was so unprofessional.
Like, they were going to break the case and get Jay to talk.
:lol:
Kat
Leanne Weich
08-09-2009, 12:49 AM
I think there is a lot of physical evidence in the Cooper case and the Young case is all CE. It makes sense that they would want to use whichever ADA has the best success rate in gaining convictions in this particular type of crime. It would not behoove them to indict the slayer unless and until they are 100% ready to proceed to trial. He could always ask for a speedy trial and if BH is not back up to speed on the case, it could be disastrous, imo.
5swab5
08-09-2009, 12:49 AM
I haven't a clue as to what that evidence is. Are they going with the fact he had an affair? I have seen nothing else proved. The theory that he drugged Cassidy and she happened to wake up chatting up a storm when MF walked in won't fly. Someone cleaned her up and she was not allowed in the room where her mother was . So who took care of her that day? What about the statement on MF's my space about Cassidy watching a movie and eating jelly beans all day ? We don't have excess to that statement and I don't know if police could retrieve it but when did Cassidy do this? Something just doesn't set right with this case.
Must have been a BIG surprise to Jason too.
Oh wait, he NEVER asked about Cassidy. Guess she was supposed to die too?
MOO
Kat4Eagles
08-09-2009, 12:50 AM
Kat, we have asked, begged, pleaded and cajoled about this. PLEASE stop! We finally have the forum back open, don't give anyone anything to report.
Thanxxxxxxx
Yes, Ma"am.
Kat
Jester
08-09-2009, 12:51 AM
Yep. Jester, common sense tells you that a murder case ready to be filed doesn't sit on someone's desk collecting dust until only one certain Prosecutor gets around to filing it!!.
Check this out..
LE 1 : What's going on with the Young case?
LE 2 : We got him cold, just waiting on Becky to come back..
LE 1: All this time?, you are kidding, right?
LE2: Nahh, they want Becky........
LE 1: So, meanwhile we just let Jason continue to play bball and do whatever else he wants?
LE 2: Yeah, I guess so.
LE 1: Hey,didn't this guy go to Puerto Rico a few times?
LE 1: What if he runs?
LE 2: Guess, that is the chance we have to take.
:thud:
Kat
Even if he fled to Peurto Rico, he would stand out like a sort thumb ... 6'2", fair haired, broke. I don't think he could hide very easily.
Jester
08-09-2009, 12:53 AM
And yet neither team did. Makes me go humm.
Yes, hmmm, the teammates decided to fire the ball straight at the camera to get them out of the gym ... so they could continue the game.
Stellagant
08-09-2009, 12:53 AM
It seems that Becky Holt is most familiar with the case, and in the best position to review the case and make a decision about how to proceed. Prosecutors go on vacation all the time and typically oversee urgent matters related other prosecutor's files if needed, so it surprises me that this particular case cannot move forward without one prosecutor, but maybe it will make more sense in September.
If Becky Holt has been gone for a year, how could she possibly be "most familiar with the case, and in the best position to review the case and make a decision about how to proceed"?????
I do believe that decision is up to the DA, who happens to still be employed there. :rolleyes:
Kat4Eagles
08-09-2009, 12:54 AM
I think there is a lot of physical evidence in the Cooper case and the Young case is all CE. It makes sense that they would want to use whichever ADA has the best success rate in gaining convictions in this particular type of crime. It would not behoove them to indict the slayer unless and until they are 100% ready to proceed to trial. He could always ask for a speedy trial and if BH is not back up to speed on the case, it could be disastrous, imo.
.......a speedy trial?
.........at this point?
Kat
Jester
08-09-2009, 12:55 AM
How many true crime docs have you seen where the CE case was investigated for 2,3 sometimes 6 years before the DA pulls the trigger ?
This case unsolved ? Just be patient like most of us.
Justice will prevail :wink: (yea, I know its hard knowing a killer is walking free)
Like in "Erased".
reborn
08-09-2009, 12:56 AM
Ya think :wink:
You really want to know what I think. I think there is something that JY and his attorney's know and that's why JY doesn't seem to be the least bit worried. He has gone on with his life. He takes vacations, goes to school and participates in sports in his home town. I think he let MF have physical custody because with him in school that is best for his daughter. I think its as simple as that. I think Heather would have Cassie if she didn't have her own child.
reborn
08-09-2009, 12:58 AM
"Touch DNA' on Nancy's neck is very strong physical evidence.
Doncha think ?
I haven't seen where there was touch DNA on NC's neck. Is there a link to this?
Kat4Eagles
08-09-2009, 12:59 AM
If Becky Holt has been gone for a year, how could she possibly be "most familiar with the case, and in the best position to review the case and make a decision about how to proceed"?????
I do believe that decision is up to the DA, who happens to still be employed there. :rolleyes:
Hi Stella........:seeya:
Here we are again, same case,same excuses.
:shrug:
Kat
Leanne Weich
08-09-2009, 12:59 AM
"Touch DNA' on Nancy's neck is very strong physical evidence.
Doncha think ?
Absolutely and I also think vegetation found on or in his vehicle could be traced back to the dump site.
Kat4Eagles
08-09-2009, 01:00 AM
You really want to know what I think. I think there is something that JY and his attorney's know and that's why JY doesn't seem to be the least bit worried. He has gone on with his life. He takes vacations, goes to school and participates in sports in his home town. I think he let MF have physical custody because with him in school that is best for his daughter. I think its as simple as that. I think Heather would have Cassie if she didn't have her own child.
Hi Reborn....:seeya:
Excellent post!!
:thumbsup:
Kat
reborn
08-09-2009, 01:00 AM
Yes, hmmm, the teammates decided to fire the ball straight at the camera to get them out of the gym ... so they could continue the game.
I don't know if it was one of his teammates that threw the ball. There were 2 teams on the court .
reborn
08-09-2009, 01:01 AM
Hi Reborn....:seeya:
Excellent post!!
:thumbsup:
Kat
Hi Kat good to see you.
Leanne Weich
08-09-2009, 01:03 AM
.......a speedy trial?
.........at this point?
Kat
OFGS, of course, as is his constitutional right, to demand a speedy trial upon indictment.
Even if he remains free for 30 years and is then indicted, he is entitled to a speedy trial.
Stellagant
08-09-2009, 01:03 AM
I think there is a lot of physical evidence in the Cooper case and the Young case is all CE. It makes sense that they would want to use whichever ADA has the best success rate in gaining convictions in this particular type of crime. It would not behoove them to indict the slayer unless and until they are 100% ready to proceed to trial. He could always ask for a speedy trial and if BH is not back up to speed on the case, it could be disastrous, imo.
The Young case has direct evidence in the form of hotel security video and an eyewitness but it also makes no difference whatsoever in the prosecution by the DA's office because both direct and circumstantial evidence carries the same weight. If there was real evidence against Jason Young the prosecutor could use to gain an indictment, he'd have used it long ago.
And it really is absurd to suggest the DA has only one assistant capable of handling the Young case when, in fact, that assistant no longer works in that office and hasn't been there for a year, according to Thunderbird.
Kat4Eagles
08-09-2009, 01:03 AM
Absolutely and I also think vegetation found on or in his vehicle could be traced back to the dump site.
.....and, nothing at the murder scene at the Young house or in the car,
or the murder weapon, or a broken alibi,
or a cell phone call, or a witness
can be traced to incriminate Jason...??????
wow.
Kat
reborn
08-09-2009, 01:04 AM
Must have been a BIG surprise to Jason too.
Oh wait, he NEVER asked about Cassidy. Guess she was supposed to die too?
MOO
What are you talking about. When did he not ask about Cassidy?
Kat4Eagles
08-09-2009, 01:05 AM
OFGS, of course, as is his constitutional right, to demand a speedy trial upon indictment.
Even if he remains free for 30 years and is then indicted, he is entitled to a speedy trial.
I know what any defendant is entitled to, it is just the words "speedy anything" that do not apply to this case.
:)
Kat
reborn
08-09-2009, 01:06 AM
Sorry reborn, that fact is classified....for now. :biggrin:
In other words its a rumor.
aproudmom
08-09-2009, 01:07 AM
omg he has gotten really ugly :scared:
:scared:ITA funny a grown man needs a punk to throw a basketball at someone for him..ugh..
reborn
08-09-2009, 01:08 AM
When did he ?
Got a link ?
Why would I have the link? I wasn't the one that made the statement. I asked her to tell me. Wheres her link?
Kat4Eagles
08-09-2009, 01:08 AM
The Young case has direct evidence in the form of hotel security video and an eyewitness but it also makes no difference whatsoever in the prosecution by the DA's office because both direct and circumstantial evidence carries the same weight. If there was real evidence against Jason Young the prosecutor could use to gain an indictment, he'd have used it long ago.
And it really is absurd to suggest the DA has only one assistant capable of handling the Young case when, in fact, that assistant no longer works in that office and hasn't been there for a year, according to Thunderbird.
The Young case, according to the search warrants, have everything to get an indictment.......
Gosh, I wonder what is wrong...
I heard the Spurs might offer Jay a contract..
:)
Kat
Stellagant
08-09-2009, 01:09 AM
Hi Stella........:seeya:
Here we are again, same case,same excuses.
:shrug:
Kat
this latest tidbit--that the DA is waiting for the return of an assistant who has been gone for over a year--really is off the chart in credibility but my favorite is still "the DA isn't allowed in the room" during a Grand Jury proceeding. Methinks any poster who confuses the DA's job with a defense attorney's doesn't have a good grip on facts. LOL.
Leanne Weich
08-09-2009, 01:10 AM
The Young case has direct evidence in the form of hotel security video and an eyewitness but it also makes no difference whatsoever in the prosecution by the DA's office because both direct and circumstantial evidence carries the same weight. If there was real evidence against Jason Young the prosecutor could use to gain an indictment, he'd have used it long ago.
And it really is absurd to suggest the DA has only one assistant capable of handling the Young case when, in fact, that assistant no longer works in that office and hasn't been there for a year, according to Thunderbird.
Maybe you're having a comprehension problem - she was seconded to the FEDS to help out with drug trials. It is not a case of her no longer working in the office.
Even though they do have some direct evidence, it isn't conclusive evidence and still needs the circumstantial aspects to come together perfectly to ensure a conviction. There is a great likelihood that a juror or jurors might be of the notion that because it has taken so long, the slayer cannot be guilty. We see on this forum alone how far people will go to twist things to make the slayer appear innocent.
Kat4Eagles
08-09-2009, 01:10 AM
:scared:ITA funny a grown man needs a punk to throw a basketball at someone for him..ugh..
Jason didn't ask anyone to throw anything at anyone.
There is a right time and place for everything.......
PS, that punk was pretty cute.
:)
Kat
reborn
08-09-2009, 01:11 AM
:scared:ITA funny a grown man needs a punk to throw a basketball at someone for him..ugh..
You think he asked them to throw the ball? I think they acted of their own accord. I also think if NCWanted had stayed around any longer someone might have gotten more than a ball in the face. I wonder if they have the courage to go back to Brevard knowing how people there feel?
5swab5
08-09-2009, 01:11 AM
Riddle me this one Batman:
Why is Jason pursuing a career in nursing? Is it so he can satisfy the 15+ million dollar judgment against him inside of 100 years OR is it because he thinks he will get a cushier J.O.B. in prison?
Unless I miss my guess, anyone can go through a nursing program, getting hired has to be a different project altogether. My money is on a background check...at least I hope and pray there is a serious one. I for one assume it is EVERYONE'S duty to remind them....just in case.:smile:
MOO
Kat4Eagles
08-09-2009, 01:15 AM
this latest tidbit--that the DA is waiting for the return of an assistant who has been gone for over a year--really is off the chart in credibility but my favorite is still "the DA isn't allowed in the room" during a Grand Jury proceeding. Methinks any poster who confuses the DA's job with a defense attorney's doesn't have a good grip on facts. LOL.
Well, we know that to be true..lol...
But, if it makes someone feel better !!
It is not like anyone here has anything personally invested in this, other than outsiders wanting justice for Michelle.
Kat
5swab5
08-09-2009, 01:15 AM
You really want to know what I think. I think there is something that JY and his attorney's know and that's why JY doesn't seem to be the least bit worried. He has gone on with his life. He takes vacations, goes to school and participates in sports in his home town. I think he let MF have physical custody because with him in school that is best for his daughter. I think its as simple as that. I think Heather would have Cassie if she didn't have her own child.
ROTFLMAO!
NO ONE that cares about a child administers adult meds to them, watered down or otherwise.
MOO
Stellagant
08-09-2009, 01:15 AM
OFGS, of course, as is his constitutional right, to demand a speedy trial upon indictment.
Even if he remains free for 30 years and is then indicted, he is entitled to a speedy trial.
So, what's the problem? If the evidence is there, why would the DA object to a speedy trial? He's had three years to gather and analyze the evidence that you insist is overwhelmingly against Jason.
Jester
08-09-2009, 01:17 AM
I don't know if it was one of his teammates that threw the ball. There were 2 teams on the court .
Basketball players that can't get the ball usually don't make the team.
reborn
08-09-2009, 01:17 AM
Take a look at his 'buds'
Average age looks like a naive 22.
At 35, Jay looks every bit of 49.
(dodging a murder rap is not good for the looks)
I don't see what JY's looks has to do with the murder case. Why are the JDI's so hung up on his looks? Could you tell us what he is doing that make you say he is dodging a murder rap?
Kat4Eagles
08-09-2009, 01:19 AM
Riddle me this one Batman:
Why is Jason pursuing a career in nursing? Is it so he can satisfy the 15+ million dollar judgment against him inside of 100 years OR is it because he thinks he will get a cushier J.O.B. in prison?
Unless I miss my guess, anyone can go through a nursing program, getting hired has to be a different project altogether. My money is on a background check...at least I hope and pray there is a serious one. I for one assume it is EVERYONE'S duty to remind them....just in case.:smile:
MOO
Gosh, if he wasn't pursuing some kind of career, then what?
Sounds to me he is not worried about being arrested, why invest time in school and studying?
:shrug:
Kat
Leanne Weich
08-09-2009, 01:19 AM
I know what any defendant is entitled to, it is just the words "speedy anything" that do not apply to this case.
:)
Kat
Unfortunately, it may not compute in your mind but it is a fact. Look at how many cases you can see on Cold Case Files that take upward of 20 years for an arrest and conviction. Now, that is a long time.
I personally believe Becky Holt's secondment to the FEDS and the slayer's silence have resulted in this long delay.
I hope the DA was as infuriarated as the majority of posters here were with the slayer's "you came here for THAT" statement and that a fire has been lit under his rear end and that on Monday he gets things moving. I can't, for a minute, believe the excuses made for what he said. Even if he is not guilty, if a camera crew approached you and wanted a word with you .. there is no doubt in my mind that you'd know exactly what they wanted to talk to you about. That was not a startled retort but, imo, an indication of exactly how he felt about his wife and unborn son.
5swab5
08-09-2009, 01:22 AM
You think he asked them to throw the ball? I think they acted of their own accord. I also think if NCWanted had stayed around any longer someone might have gotten more than a ball in the face. I wonder if they have the courage to go back to Brevard knowing how people there feel?
I hope they do, and the next time, I hope they have the foresight to get LE to escort them to keep Jason's hoodlum boys at bay.
As for your other question, Jason HUNG UP on LE on his way back to Raleigh from Brevard. Remember? He DID NOT inquire about Cassidy's status. Remember? Old news. It's in the SWs.
MOO
Kat4Eagles
08-09-2009, 01:22 AM
I don't see what JY's looks has to do with the murder case. Why are the JDI's so hung up on his looks? Could you tell us what he is doing that make you say he is dodging a murder rap?
When someone else was critizied for their appearance, I think the word used was superficial.
:)
Kat
reborn
08-09-2009, 01:22 AM
ROTFLMAO!
NO ONE that cares about a child administers adult meds to them, watered down or otherwise.
MOO
If this ever gets to trail there may be witnesses that saw MY give meds the same way. I would be careful not to judge to soon. Do you think MY waited for JY to come home before Cassie got her meds. Those meds were on Cassie's shelf. I would guess both parents gave them the same way. I also would bet there are witnesses to that.
Stellagant
08-09-2009, 01:23 AM
Maybe you're having a comprehension problem - she was seconded to the FEDS to help out with drug trials. It is not a case of her no longer working in the office.
Even though they do have some direct evidence, it isn't conclusive evidence and still needs the circumstantial aspects to come together perfectly to ensure a conviction. There is a great likelihood that a juror or jurors might be of the notion that because it has taken so long, the slayer cannot be guilty. We see on this forum alone how far people will go to twist things to make the slayer appear innocent.
Rebecca Holt is not listed as an attorney working for the DA's office. She's not an employee and if she's not an employee, she's not working on the Young case or any other case in the DA's jurisdiction. Hello?
I'm pretty sure you haven't a clue as the the caliber of evidence the DA's office has in this case beyond what Detective Spivey knows considering the fact there has been NO indictment of anyone and that includes Jason Young even after Spivey publicly proclaimed Jason guilty. You conveniently forget the fact that the DA's office--but not the WCSO--is aware of the the content of the therapist's notes.
Leanne Weich
08-09-2009, 01:24 AM
So, what's the problem? If the evidence is there, why would the DA object to a speedy trial? He's had three years to gather and analyze the evidence that you insist is overwhelmingly against Jason.
I do believe he wants BH to prosecute the case and, if that is the case, why put her at a disadvantage by indicting when she isn't available to put 100% into preparing to go to trial.
reborn
08-09-2009, 01:25 AM
I hope they do, and the next time, I hope they have the foresight to get LE to escort them to keep Jason's hoodlum boys at bay.
As for your other question, Jason HUNG UP on LE on his way back to Raleigh from Brevard. Remember? He DID NOT inquire about Cassidy's status. Remember? Old news. It's in the SWs.
MOO
You don't think JY had talked to MF on his way back and probably to Cassie ,also? He knew Cassie was ok. His Mom knew Cassie was ok.
5swab5
08-09-2009, 01:27 AM
So, what's the problem? If the evidence is there, why would the DA object to a speedy trial? He's had three years to gather and analyze the evidence that you insist is overwhelmingly against Jason.
Every Defense Attorney in this Country has that "speedy trial"/ Joker card in his pocket. See how fast Jason's court appointed lawyer uses that upon his arrest. ROTF!
MOO
Kat4Eagles
08-09-2009, 01:27 AM
Unfortunately, it may not compute in your mind but it is a fact. Look at how many cases you can see on Cold Case Files that take upward of 20 years for an arrest and conviction. Now, that is a long time.
I personally believe Becky Holt's secondment to the FEDS and the slayer's silence have resulted in this long delay.
I hope the DA was as infuriarated as the majority of posters here were with the slayer's "you came here for THAT" statement and that a fire has been lit under his rear end and that on Monday he gets things moving. I can't, for a minute, believe the excuses made for what he said. Even if he is not guilty, if a camera crew approached you and wanted a word with you .. there is no doubt in my mind that you'd know exactly what they wanted to talk to you about. That was not a startled retort but, imo, an indication of exactly how he felt about his wife and unborn son.
They shouldn't need a dumb interview to light a fire.
Michelle being brutally murdered is enough.
Kat
Leanne Weich
08-09-2009, 01:28 AM
Rebecca Holt is not listed as an attorney working for the DA's office. She's not an employee and if she's not an employee, she's not working on the Young case or any other case in the DA's jurisdiction. Hello?
I'm pretty sure you haven't a clue as the the caliber of evidence the DA's office has in this case beyond what Detective Spivey knows considering the fact there has been NO indictment of anyone and that includes Jason Young even after Spivey publicly proclaimed Jason guilty. You conveniently forget the fact that the DA's office--but not the WCSO--is aware of the the content of the therapist's notes.
If you believe Spivey's affidavit and any evidence he gives is not done or given with the assistance and approval of the DA, you are mistaken, imo.
There is a link somewhere (which I will look for a bit later) about BH helping out the FEDS.
Kat4Eagles
08-09-2009, 01:30 AM
I hope they do, and the next time, I hope they have the foresight to get LE to escort them to keep Jason's hoodlum boys at bay.
As for your other question, Jason HUNG UP on LE on his way back to Raleigh from Brevard. Remember? He DID NOT inquire about Cassidy's status. Remember? Old news. It's in the SWs.
MOO
So, you don't think someone told Jason that C was okay, when telling him about the murder of Michelle?
You don't think someone said, "Jason , Michelle is dead, but C is fine."
You don't think he didn't find that out before he talked to LE?
If you don't think that, then why the heck did he drive back to Raleigh to go pick her up?
:thud:
Kat
Stellagant
08-09-2009, 01:32 AM
Unfortunately, it may not compute in your mind but it is a fact. Look at how many cases you can see on Cold Case Files that take upward of 20 years for an arrest and conviction. Now, that is a long time.
I personally believe Becky Holt's secondment to the FEDS and the slayer's silence have resulted in this long delay.
I hope the DA was as infuriarated as the majority of posters here were with the slayer's "you came here for THAT" statement and that a fire has been lit under his rear end and that on Monday he gets things moving. I can't, for a minute, believe the excuses made for what he said. Even if he is not guilty, if a camera crew approached you and wanted a word with you .. there is no doubt in my mind that you'd know exactly what they wanted to talk to you about. That was not a startled retort but, imo, an indication of exactly how he felt about his wife and unborn son.
Wow, you really are spinning with imagination. I watched the video and not only was it obvious Jason had no idea who they were or why they were there, he also was surprised they traveled so far to ambush him. It's common knowledge that he is represented by counsel who has advised him not to speak to anyone. There has been absolutely no news about the case in months and news media have to have a legit news reason to invade someone's privacy by videoing them and easedropping and recording their conversations.
5swab5
08-09-2009, 01:34 AM
If this ever gets to trail there may be witnesses that saw MY give meds the same way. I would be careful not to judge to soon. Do you think MY waited for JY to come home before Cassie got her meds. Those meds were on Cassie's shelf. I would guess both parents gave them the same way. I also would bet there are witnesses to that.
That is laughable!
WHEN pray tell did Jason have time to do ANYTHING with Cassidy? Between emailing, Iming, texting and talking on the phone with Michelle Money?
The one time that we are privy to any ANY interaction with her, he is mad, cussing Cassidy out and threatening to get drunk and take her to the pool.
What a guy.
MOO
5swab5
08-09-2009, 01:38 AM
You don't think JY had talked to MF on his way back and probably to Cassie ,also? He knew Cassie was ok. His Mom knew Cassie was ok.
Sorry,
I have never seen anything in any documents to support your theory. Link?
MOO
Stellagant
08-09-2009, 01:40 AM
Hello, are you in there :confused:
That's what we have been trying to tell you all day.
Ms. Holt is "on loan" to the FEDs for a special grant to prosecute Wake County Gang/Drug activity.
Ms Holt will be back in her DA office by 9-1-09.
What part of that is hard for you to comprehend ?
I do have a problem comprehending why anyone would sit for hours on a forum spreading silly rumors. You've provided no proof Ms. Holt is "on loan" anywhere or that she will return or that she and only she is the only attorney capable of handling this particular case. Nobody is buying your lame excuse for why there's been no arrest. Sorry.
Holt is no longer listed on the Wake DA's website so she's no longer on his payroll and if she's no longer on his payroll, she's no longer involved in any cases being handled by his jurisdiction. It is what it is! She's NOT THERE!!!
Jester
08-09-2009, 01:42 AM
They shouldn't need a dumb interview to light a fire.
Michelle being brutally murdered is enough.
Kat
<bolding mine> Who shouldn't need an interview?
The media, free agents, were informing the public. I, for one, appreciate the glimpse into Jason Young's attitude about his wife's brutal murder.
Stellagant
08-09-2009, 01:42 AM
Every Defense Attorney in this Country has that "speedy trial"/ Joker card in his pocket. See how fast Jason's court appointed lawyer uses that upon his arrest. ROTF!
MOO
That "speedy trial" card is provided by the Constitution. Why are you so worried about it?
Stellagant
08-09-2009, 01:46 AM
So, you don't think someone told Jason that C was okay, when telling him about the murder of Michelle?
You don't think someone said, "Jason , Michelle is dead, but C is fine."
You don't think he didn't find that out before he talked to LE?
If you don't think that, then why the heck did he drive back to Raleigh to go pick her up?
:thud:
Kat
and how did Jason know to go to Meredith's to pick her up?
reborn
08-09-2009, 01:47 AM
Sorry reborn, that fact is classified....for now. :biggrin:
I,m sorry Thunderbird but I just think its so funny that you think someone would trust you with classified information. Do you ever think that perhaps people just tell you these things and then laugh when they see them on the Internet a few minutes later? Classified information would be given to someone trust worthy . Someone that wouldn't pass the information along to anyone. It certainly wouldn't be given to someone that posts everything they hear on the Internet. I got a good laugh out of it , thanks.
Kat4Eagles
08-09-2009, 01:47 AM
<bolding mine> Who shouldn't need an interview?
The media, free agents, were informing the public. I, for one, appreciate the glimpse into Jason Young's attitude about his wife's brutal murder.
All I see is a guy becoming defensive when asked about something private in a public arena.........
I am not sure how something so sensitive should be handled, but, that wasn't it........
Kat
5swab5
08-09-2009, 01:47 AM
Wow, you really are spinning with imagination. I watched the video and not only was it obvious Jason had no idea who they were or why they were there, he also was surprised they traveled so far to ambush him. It's common knowledge that he is represented by counsel who has advised him not to speak to anyone. There has been absolutely no news about the case in months and news media have to have a legit news reason to invade someone's privacy by videoing them and easedropping and recording their conversations.
I think the operative word is WAS..not "is" represented by counsel. Jason WAS represented by counsel, And a BAD one OR one that knows proof positive that he is stone cold guilty. They just told him to snap his trap. Since Jason hasn't opened his grill until he made a fool out of himself and a mockery out of Rylan and Michelle's murders for N.C.Wanted, I can't imagine Pat continuing to pay them.
Take your pick.
MOO
Kat4Eagles
08-09-2009, 01:48 AM
and how did Jason know to go to Meredith's to pick her up?
Gosh, gee, I don't know.
You think someone told him where she was?
:rolleyes:
Kat
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