Right-Wing Harassment Strategy Against Dems Detailed In Memo:

[daniel green]

being harassed by “angry, sign-carrying mobs and disruptive behavior” at local town halls. For example, in one incident, right-wing protesters surrounded Rep. Tim Bishop (D-NY) and forced police officers to have to escort him to his car for safety. This growing phenomenon is often marked by violence and absurdity. Recently, right-wing demonstrators hung Rep. Frank Kratovil (D-MD) in effigy outside of his office. Missing from the reporting of these stories is the fact that much of these protests are coordinated by public relations firms and lobbyists who have a stake in opposing President Obama’s reforms. The lobbyist-run groups Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks, which orchestrated the anti-Obama tea parties earlier this year, are now pursuing an aggressive strategy to create an image of mass public opposition to health care and clean energy reform. A leaked memo from Bob MacGuffie, a volunteer with the FreedomWorks website Tea Party Patriots, details how members should be infiltrating town halls and harassing Democratic members of Congress:

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/31/recess-harassment-memo/

[TBIBeg]

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/31/recess-harassment-memo/


This growing phenomenon is often marked by violence I didn't see any evidence to support this assertion?

[daniel green]

The actual alleged memo as opposed to Think Progress's short synopsis

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/townhallactionmemo.pdf

snipped.

Loved the part about what to do if someone is trying to talk bad about GWB. :laugh:

[Mimi428]

BWAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Progressives are flipping out because republicans are taking a page out of their playbook. Getting hit by the Karma bus stings, huh?

Priceless.

Thanks for the link! :lol::lol::lol:

So that's all this is to you? It's all good because 'your side' is winning? You got one up or something? I wish I could say I am surprised that nothing in your post suggests that civil discourse of a very serious subject is a worthy goal. Naw, just yuck it up. It's grand when anyone is hung in effigy. How funny to be so threatening that a person needs an escort to their vehicle for their own safety.

I guess I'll at least try & hold on to this nic by refraining from posting what I actually think of that mindset. Just glad to know the REAL you finally showed up. Heck, we might have been fooled into thinking you actually took part in all those things you have claimed was the only real solution for life's problems. Neighbors & friends & families taking care of one another. Now that the real you has shown up, just tickled to pieces, we don't have to actually wonder whether you practice what you preach - you have shown us here what you are all about.

[TBIBeg]

So that's all this is to you? It's all good because 'your side' is winning? <snip>t.


You have GOT to be kidding? ROFLMAOPIMP.

Isn't that all we've heard from the left for months ; 'Suck it up, we won, we control everything' ?

Enjoy it while it lasts, 2010 is right around the corner.

[TBIBeg]

Nah, you are the one who put it into party terms. I have been attending Tea Party Protests and town halls with conservatives, democrats and libertarians since the Porkulus bill came out. I have no doubt there are groups out there doing those things, but none of that has occurred at any event I have attende thus far. The events are made up of multiple small grassroots groups coming together to form a larger voice.

I just find it absolutely riotous that the party of moveon.org who elected a Saul Alinsky follower is crying foul when they find a group using the same tactics the progressives have used for decades.

I have no use for most of the democrats and republicans serving in office and am an equal opportunity town hall attender blasting the politician regardless of party affiliation if they vote for more spending or socialized medicine.

The townhall group I meet with here in San Antonio are, for the most part, Libertarians. There are several groups and all positions seem to be represented.

[LisaM22]

being harassed by “angry, sign-carrying mobs and disruptive behavior” at local town halls. For example, in one incident, right-wing protesters surrounded Rep. Tim Bishop (D-NY) and forced police officers to have to escort him to his car for safety. This growing phenomenon is often marked by violence and absurdity. Recently, right-wing demonstrators hung Rep. Frank Kratovil (D-MD) in effigy outside of his office. Missing from the reporting of these stories is the fact that much of these protests are coordinated by public relations firms and lobbyists who have a stake in opposing President Obama’s reforms. The lobbyist-run groups Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks, which orchestrated the anti-Obama tea parties earlier this year, are now pursuing an aggressive strategy to create an image of mass public opposition to health care and clean energy reform. A leaked memo from Bob MacGuffie, a volunteer with the FreedomWorks website Tea Party Patriots, details how members should be infiltrating town halls and harassing Democratic members of Congress:

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/31/recess-harassment-memo/

it is sad that republicans think Americans are stupid enough to believe their fake grass roots movements are the real deal

[PoppySeeds]

What's even sadder are those people who still believe any/everything Obama says. MO

You get a great big standing "O" for that one!!! :thumbsup:

[Brentwood]

I think if they continue with this strategy, they will lose big (again) in 2010.

[watcher2005]

Because as everybody knows, members of Congress usually just ignore public relations firms and lobbyists so a few folk at "town halls" would be the most efficient use of their time and money available to them.

[Barbara2]

<snipped> Of course when you read the lengths the medical insurance co's went to discredit SICKO with their threats, lies and tricks it makes sense those they're lobbyng to would resort to the same.<snipped> JMO

You mean these guys?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32231857/ns/politics-washington_post/

[PoppySeeds]

I think it is wonderful that we live in a counrty where we CAN legally protest things we do not agree with...At least for now. Who knows where that will go when the folks in control right not gets through with all of their "HOPE" and "CHANGE". IMO

[watcher2005]

I think it is wonderful that we live in a counrty where we CAN legally protest things we do not agree with...

Me, too. I don't know that it will last.

[History Buff]

Or not paying taxes which seems to be a plus if you desire to work for Obama.

[daniel green]

Just interupt and shout out. No need for it to make sense - just make the person uneasy. Set the tone.....

unbelievable!

imo

Well, when you ain't got nothing, just make noise.

[LisaM22]

If the right doesn't start doing something more than 'this'....2010 will be the same as the last two elections...:wink::wink:

I love it when these types of memo's come out, nothing like seeing the inside workings of the republican party to make a voter aware of their tatics

[Barbara2]

Au contraire! Read a little. Bush's close buddy Hunt was the first to get in Iraq. A little inside buddy buddy stuff there? :wink:

Obama realizes oil isn't the end-all. He seems to value human life over a resource that's been wastd, abused, millions of lives ruined over. Your Bush did that, with the help of his Big Oil lobbyists, not Obama. Obama also wasn't the one who wiped out part of the proposal sent to congress to make it happen. That was Bush and the PNAC gang using 9/11 and the fear of his own citizens to destroy a sovereign nation. But you trusted him. LOL. Sorry, Obama's in a bind trying to come up with some way to recoup all those billions wasted to open up Iraq's oil industry, at the detriment of millions suffering in the U.S. There are so many smart people there, surely killing and maiming could have been avoided in lieu of actually trying to take care of one's own and coming up with a solution for the oil dilemna? But ...... then you've got all those lobbyists. Combine Big Oil with Big Insurance, Big Pharma ....... all given a free reign under the previous admin to go hog-wild - grab what you can and forget the little guy, well, it was bound to happen. A ruined economy, jobs disappearing like smoke in the wind .......... profit was the name. And it shows. So sad for all those who now have to choose between food and cancer treatment and therapy, or a child dying from an abscessed tooth. This is the 21st century, Obama at least realizes that. The PNAC gang was stuck with their old we own the world and everything it it mantra ......... old, outdated arrogant thinking. Thank goodness someone cares for the people he works for. Really cares. Not just smirks, laughs and mouths it while looking under the desk for WMD. Obama will reform health-care. He believes in it. imo

Don't kid yourself.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obamas_oil_spill.html

[Barbara2]

I don't, but thanks for the advice.


So long as you're not deluded into thinking that Obama doesn't have his own oil buddies.

[Barbara2]

Like Hunt? Or all those in those 'secret meetings' dividing up Iraq's oilfields even before the invasion? Nah. Obama of course now has to deal with the aftermath and those Big Oil execs, they didn't just crawl into the woodwork after their resources were ensured.

No, they gave money to his campaign in order to help get him elected.

[Brentwood]

This is disgusting…..beyond contempt. The RW doesn’t know the meaning of shame.

Remember the 4 D.s of Republicans "Delay, Distract, Distort, Deceive"

[Circe]

In six months they've vacationed in Hawaii, Europe, Africa and now Martha's Vineyard. Who's paying? Who's paying for the Secret Service?

I don't know about you all but my kids never went on four vacations in 6 months.

imo

Were you just as upset when Bush went off on vacation? Did you care about who was paying for Airforce One or the Secret Service?

Whenever Bush went off to Texas to whack weeds or off to Martha's to fish we heard that it didn't matter cause he was "always on the job."

So tell me, just what is the big difference, if what worries you is the money?

[PoppySeeds]

In six months they've vacationed in Hawaii, Europe, Africa and now Martha's Vineyard. Who's paying? Who's paying for the Secret Service?

I don't know about you all but my kids never went on four vacations in 6 months.

imo


My kids didn't get one vacation this year, must be nice to be able to see the world on someone elses dime.

[PoppySeeds]

Since this is of a concern to you I am sure you protested vigorously about George Bush's extensive vacations.

How many vacation days did George W. Bush take as president?

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/13/bush-olympics/

Bush rivals Ronald Reagan for the title of “presidential vacation-time record holder.” Some highlights of Bush’s time away from the office:
– Attended 95 sports-related events.
– Made 74 trips to his Crawford ranch, for a total of 466 days.
– Made 142 trips to Camp David, for a total of 450 days.
– Attended 327 fundraising events for Republican candidates and causes.
Over the course of his presidency, national catastrophes have taken shape while Bush has been on vacation. When he was in Crawford before 9/11, Bush ignored an infamous memo about an impending bin Laden attack. Similarly, Bush brushed off warnings of Hurricane Katrina in 2005 while at the ranch.


Unless you have a time machine, then there is nothing than can now be done to correct the foolish things that ANY other president has done. To continue to dwell on the faults of a person who can no longer EVER sit behind the desk in the Oval Office is foolish and a deflection to keep peoples eyes off of the things that are currently going wrong.
The continued cries of "Bush did it!" make no sense to me, since we can't currently do anything about what Bush did, but we can protest the things that the current administration is doing to waste money that we as a nation DO NOT HAVE.

[Circe]

Unless you have a time machine, then there is nothing than can now be done to correct the foolish things that ANY other president has done. To continue to dwell on the faults of a person who can no longer EVER sit behind the desk in the Oval Office is foolish and a deflection to keep peoples eyes off of the things that are currently going wrong.
The continued cries of "Bush did it!" make no sense to me, since we can't currently do anything about what Bush did, but we can protest the things that the current administration is doing to waste money that we as a nation DO NOT HAVE.

Well, see.........unless you were just as upset over all the tme that Bush took off, it's just a bit hypocritical to be getting your knickers all in a knot over Obama taking vacations. That's just MO, of course.

[LisaM22]

LIBERAL HOAX ALERT.

There was no "harassment.":rolleyes:

Someone throwing a shoe at POTUS when delivering a speech is harassment. (Not to mention assualt.) I did not hear a peep from you people, condeming that.

-------------------------- Me, busting claptrap, IMO.:thumbup:

after what Bush did to Iraq, of course no one said a thing about someone throwing a shoe as a sign of resentment at the man... it was deserved

[LisaM22]

In six months they've vacationed in Hawaii, Europe, Africa and now Martha's Vineyard. Who's paying? Who's paying for the Secret Service?

I don't know about you all but my kids never went on four vacations in 6 months.

imo

did their mother and father do business overseas.... republicans will try and find anything to bash this administration - pathetic

[PoppySeeds]

Well, see.........unless you were just as upset over all the tme that Bush took off, it's just a bit hypocritical to be getting your knickers all in a knot over Obama taking vacations. That's just MO, of course.


I was upset when Bush was in office, (I did not vote for him either time) BUT I am adult enough to realize that no amount of whining and blaming and cries of "Bush did it!" is going to change one single thing that Bush did or did not do.
I do see it as a rather pathetic ploy to cry "Bush did it" to try and deflect away from the stupid, illogical, and wasteful things Obama is currently doing.
I am not, as I was called earlier in the week, a "right wing nut". I am not right wing anything. I am not a member of any party, but I have some very strong Libertarian leanings. I will gladly call things like I see them, and Obama's spending habits in a time where we are in such dire economic times, are very foolish.

[flareon]

I was upset when Bush was in office, (I did not vote for him either time) BUT I am adult enough to realize that no amount of whining and blaming and cries of "Bush did it!" is going to change one single thing that Bush did or did not do.
I do see it as a rather pathetic ploy to cry "Bush did it" to try and deflect away from the stupid, illogical, and wasteful things Obama is currently doing.
I am not, as I was called earlier in the week, a "right wing nut". I am not right wing anything. I am not a member of any party, but I have some very strong Libertarian leanings. I will gladly call things like I see them, and Obama's spending habits in a time where we are in such dire economic times, are very foolish.

I'm like you. I sure didn't vote for Bush.

What you have to remember that there are some who are only influenced by the letter behind the name. They will try to defend anything, plus you have to consider that the only place they get their information feeds into this.

[LisaM22]

I just love when the far right republicans try to tell us they never voted for Bush, lol, got another bridge to nowhere ya want to sell us?

[PoppySeeds]

I just love when the far right republicans try to tell us they never voted for Bush, lol, got another bridge to nowhere ya want to sell us?

Are you insinuating that you know how any person here voted? I can certainly tell you you do not have a clue what you are talking about. I'm am sorry if it doesn't fit into your liberal agenda for everyone to be a Bush worshiper, if they are not chugging the Obama-aide.
I personally, think that governement should intrude in our personal lives and with our personal liberties as little as possible.
I do not think I should have to pay for mine and pay for yours, too, and that means insurance, taxes, or anything.
That is not a right wing idea, that is not an "I've got mine, to heck with you" idea. That is an "I work hard for what I have and the government should not take it away to support YOU." idea. If you can not understand that, then you do not understand the basic principals of "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness".

[Brat2002]

I didn't see any evidence to support this assertion?

Me either. Some liberal protestors threw a chair through a window when a Republican was trying to give a speech and they managed to end the entire function. There's a thread on that somewhere here. Look at the Black Panthers' behavior at the polls. The harassment comes from both sides, yet there is no clear example given here, merely someone's assertion. In other cases, there was clear evidence by way of video or witnesses. Until someone proves the allegations, I'll chalk it up as gossip.

[PoppySeeds]

Please don't throw things at me, but I voted for Bush (both of them). I'm a republican but not far right as you like to think everyone in the GPO is.
This will stir you up I guess, but the last 8 years were fine for me economically and there isn't a darn thing that I need from Obama.
You may already be on that bridge to nowhere and it was your own choice.
IMO


HERE HERE!!!
The last 8 years I was not worried about losing my job, I am now. I wasn't worried about my husband losing his job, I am now. I have really great insurance that covers our family, and if Obama has his way, I won't have this great coverage any more, but I will be forced to pay for everyone else to have the same lousey coverage and wait times and restrictions.
People here can say anything they want to about me, I do not think I should have to work my hiney off and have the money earned taken to support people that are not my dependants.

[Brentwood]

What exactly do you WANT to do?

Isn't that funny (not) that many RWr's think it is ok to do dispicable things as if it is ok. That poster you quoted (on iggy) uses Obama's middle initial as a hate thing and acts as if, well...it is ok to do bad stuff, just because. Many RW'rs do not have morals/ethics, imo. I don't get it,,, do they think the end justifys the means? Do they think...life is a street fight? Few grown-ups or ethical people on the rw side, I guess.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/31/recess-harassment-memo/

:rolleyes:

The RNC Welcoming Committee, on its Web site and through e-mails to members, lays out strategies to block roads and use other methods to "crash the convention." Group members contacted by the Associated Press declined to be interviewed.

Just who is The RNC welcoming committee? They are not anyone from the GOP:

1. Who We Are
The RNC Welcoming Committee is an anarchist / anti-authoritarian organizing body preparing for the 2008 Republican National Convention in St. Paul, ...

And Recreate 68 ( Yes the bloody convention of 1968 ) showed up at the Republican National Convention this year.

Recreate 68

http://www.recreate68.com/

Group Looks To Re-Create Bloody 1968 Chicago Democratic Convention In Denver

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/03/21/politics/horserace/entry3957522.shtml

So please spare me the ridiculousness of the seeming claim that DEMS do not harass the right wing and organize such.

Do I agree with anyone doing such NO. But neither side can claim they don't do the same.

[Jumbo1]

Unless you have a time machine, then there is nothing than can now be done to correct the foolish things that ANY other president has done. To continue to dwell on the faults of a person who can no longer EVER sit behind the desk in the Oval Office is foolish and a deflection to keep peoples eyes off of the things that are currently going wrong.
The continued cries of "Bush did it!" make no sense to me, since we can't currently do anything about what Bush did, but we can protest the things that the current administration is doing to waste money that we as a nation DO NOT HAVE.

Why don't we have money?