7/29, 7/30

[retiredcop]

Poor thing? He, together with his Father got a lot of money from their extortion scheme against MJ. If he suffered, it had to be from finally realizing how wrong it was to lie, for financial gain, and at the cost of an innocent person.

imo...of course.

There was no extortion. Extortion is a crime. I didn't see anyone arrested.

Finally realizing how wrong he was? Excuses Excuses for Mr Jackson. That one is out of left field, that's for sure.

in my opinion

[retiredcop]

It didn't work for me. I got an error message.

I don't know why that would be. You can try copy and paste.

in my opinion

[who_is_it]

I usually wouldn't quote "the Mirror"... but it seems they change their once vile line... -- I already thought so when they reported some weeks ago Sneddon feels sorry.
Michael Jackson's abuse case drove him to brink of suicide

"Defence attorney Tony Capozzola says a fragile Jacko spent hours on the phone sobbing that he was terrified about spending time behind bars under constant fear of attack from fellow inmates."
(...)
"But I [Tony Capozzola]said again that sleeping with kids doesn't go in today's society, but he told me, 'That's society's problem and not mine'. In other words they are the dirty old men."*
(...)
"Michael Jackson was never an evil person, but he was certainly a target for those who are." [Tony Capozzola]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2009/07/04/michael-jackson-s-abuse-case-drove-him-to-brink-of-suicide-115875-21493509/

* Some posters would hate me if I say I find MJ's statement quite intelligent. While the lawyer and some of you think it's not "normal", imo it's not normal in the sense of unusual... but it's true what Michael said: The thoughts and the concept of normality (of society) turns it too bad.

[daniel green]

snipped TBH I don't think the media would be too bothered if she took skin bleaching treatments or not, they just want the entertainment value and she definitely provided it in her own way.

I agree, they wouldn't care. She certainly has done something because though the lightest Jackson as a child, she was nowhere near the pale version of herself she is now. Just like with the mutilating facial plastic surgery.

[aproudmom]

There was no extortion. Extortion is a crime. I didn't see anyone arrested.

Finally realizing how wrong he was? Excuses Excuses for Mr Jackson. That one is out of left field, that's for sure.

in my opinion

now now then be fair I never saw any charges against MJ but so many still say he is Guilty...

[daniel green]

At Murray’s home, searchers took an iPhone, copies of information from another mobile phone and a BlackBerry, and a copy of a personal computer hard drive, according to an inventory. No items were taken from the storage unit, investigators wrote. The warrants also indicated investigators are considering a wider range of charges against Murray than the manslaughter count they referred to in documents filed last week in a search of the doctor’s Houston properties.

A detective wrote that he and colleagues were looking for evidence “demonstrating the crimes” that included excessive prescribing, prescribing to an addict, unprofessional conduct and manslaughter. Those charges include violations of the penal code and the state business and professions code. Murray was performing CPR on Jackson when paramedics arrived at his Holmby Hills chateau June 25th. He has said through his lawyer that he didn’t administer anything to the performer that “should have” caused his death and is eagerly awaiting toxicology results to be released next week.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/07/detectives-were-looking-for-powerful-drug-at-michael-jackson-doctors-home.html

[daniel green]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iMkoNA7ANMxeUu2iZ9hdf_Vr1FfQD99P1A1O0

[daniel green]

Dr Conrad Murray, who faces manslaughter charges in connection with Michael Jackson's death, has twice faced jail time in the past. He was sentenced to 10 days imprisonment in April this year and 25 days imprisonment in 2007. On both occasions it was for non payment of child support to a son with his first wife Nenita Malibiran, and on both occasions he evaded jail by obtaining a stay and eventually paying up. Court records obtained by RadarOnline.com show that Murray did not pay child support to his son for eight years from 1999 to 2007.

http://www.sawfnews.com/Gossip/59076.aspx

[aproudmom]

I am beginning to think Joe thinks everyone is kin to MJ if they are amazing dancers and can do MJs moves.

LOL He is a hoot.

imo

:thumbsup:I think he may hope so since he has some talent maybe he is looking to sign him up with his new business he has...lol..they keep talking about it and saying he really never said yes it is MJ son 100% just that yeah he is like a Jackson did he not say the same when ask about MJ children and their talent..lol..I am glad he is back in Vegas but I am thinking he has to much time on his hands..JMO:biggrin:

[daniel green]

http://www.theinsider.com/news/2621406_Deepak_Chopra_Gives_Predictions_into_Jacks on_s_Autopsy_Fate_of_Dr._Murray

[who_is_it]

yeah I just had to pay 25 bucks for the book it was 13-15 the other day..sure hope it is worth it....lol

I would be more interested in reading 2 other books about MJ: the one by Ismail Reed and the one by Geraldine Hughes.

[aproudmom]

http://www.sawfnews.com/Gossip/59076.aspx

So he does have a child I have ask that about 20 times..lol..well my oldest sons bio dad has him beat he is only 18yrs behind...:smile:

[who_is_it]

http://www.theinsider.com/news/2621406_Deepak_Chopra_Gives_Predictions_into_Jacks on_s_Autopsy_Fate_of_Dr._Murray

I've watched the interview and agree with most he said.

Interesting is that he said Michael tried to call him 2 days before his death. He tried to call back but the phone was disconnected (strange, too, imo).

Allegedly Michael also tried to call the nurse 4 days before his death.

It's pretty obvious that Michael wanted medical help shortly before his death -- whatever the reasons were -- despite he had a doctor at his home. If the nurse speaks the truth he called 2 people who talked to him about the risks of drugs. No coincidence imo. I could imagine he was worried for any reasons...

[aproudmom]

http://m.nypost.com/ms/p/nyp/nyp/view.m?id=23930&storyid=176549
Michael Jackson personal physician is a deadbeat doctor who fathered six children with five women, according to court records and a lawyer suing him. :ohmy:

Allegations of a shady past added to the mystery surrounding Murray and his role in his pill-popping client demise.

[who_is_it]

http://www.sawfnews.com/Gossip/59076.aspx

My focus is not on "jail time" but on the reason for this jail time: He had no money.

[daniel green]

Interesting is that he said Michael tried to call him 2 days before his death. He tried to call back but the phone was disconnected (strange, too, imo).

snipped.

Chopra was on MSNBC the night MJ died or thereabouts and told that story and said it was not unusual, that MJ was always changing his phone number, and the numbers would not be good for very long.

[who_is_it]

http://m.nypost.com/ms/p/nyp/nyp/view.m?id=23930&storyid=176549
Michael Jackson personal physician is a deadbeat doctor who fathered six children with five women, according to court records and a lawyer suing him. :ohmy:
<snipped>



Obviously he was broke. Don't ask me where I've read this... but his house was very expensive. I ask myself why someone who has no money needs a big house.

[who_is_it]

Chopra was on MSNBC the night MJ died or thereabouts and told that story and said it was not unusual, that MJ was always changing his phone number, and the numbers would not be good for very long.

Yes, he said so in the interview which you've posted, too. I find it strange that he asked him to call back... but the next day the number was changed.

MORE strange than the phone number change is the other part: He had a personal doctor but called other medical experts -- in this case a doctor for alternative medicine.

[aproudmom]

I've watched the interview and agree with most he said.

Interesting is that he said Michael tried to call him 2 days before his death. He tried to call back but the phone was disconnected (strange, too, imo).

Allegedly Michael also tried to call the nurse 4 days before his death.

It's pretty obvious that Michael wanted medical help shortly before his death -- whatever the reasons were -- despite he had a doctor at his home. If the nurse speaks the truth he called 2 people who talked to him about the risks of drugs. No coincidence imo. I could imagine he was worried for any reasons...

that is what I do not understand if he had this doctor why call the nurse on Fathers day or having someone else call her because he was having hot and cold on one side of his body.

[who_is_it]

that is what I do not understand if he had this doctor why call the nurse on Fathers day or having someone else call her because he was having hot and cold on one side of his body.

I could imagine the "treatment" by Dr. Murray already had its site effects and therefore he called others who talked to him about the risks of drugs. He maybe was worried...., scared. If this is the case everything is even more tragic... -- He could have been saved if he had had the chance to talk to a medical person of his trust who could judge the risks in time!

[who_is_it]

Maybe Murray was off on Sunday.

He called the nurse on Sunday but Deepak Chopra 2 days before his death. That wasn't on Sunday!

[who_is_it]

Of course its a crime, and the folks who committed the crime of extortion should have been arrested. Of course one of the players was a minor at the time, making any arrest or filing of charges against him (the accuser)more difficult. The DA wanted MJ as was evidenced by the malicious prosecution and trial in which MJ was found to be NOT GUILTY of all the charges wrongfully brought against him.

You should read up on the facts surrounding these events, and you would come to realize who's really the one in left field.

At least the grifter mom was prosecuted for welfare fraud.

[DebinNv]

Has anybody heard anything about the Toxicology reports?
I thought that I heard or read somewhere that they would be released sometime this week.

TIA for any replies.

[Unperson1984]

I usually wouldn't quote "the Mirror"... but it seems they change their once vile line... -- I already thought so when they reported some weeks ago Sneddon feels sorry.
Michael Jackson's abuse case drove him to brink of suicide

"Defence attorney Tony Capozzola says a fragile Jacko spent hours on the phone sobbing that he was terrified about spending time behind bars under constant fear of attack from fellow inmates."
(...)
"But I [Tony Capozzola]said again that sleeping with kids doesn't go in today's society, but he told me, 'That's society's problem and not mine'. In other words they are the dirty old men."*
(...)
"Michael Jackson was never an evil person, but he was certainly a target for those who are." [Tony Capozzola]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2009/07/04/michael-jackson-s-abuse-case-drove-him-to-brink-of-suicide-115875-21493509/

* Some posters would hate me if I say I find MJ's statement quite intelligent. While the lawyer and some of you think it's not "normal", imo it's not normal in the sense of unusual... but it's true what Michael said: The thoughts and the concept of normality (of society) turns it too bad.

Oh well, if Tony said it take it to the bank. (tongue firmly in cheek)

[CinderL.]

Has anybody heard anything about the Toxicology reports?
I thought that I heard or read somewhere that they would be released sometime this week.

TIA for any replies.

I think someone posted a link up thread a bit, about they were holding off on giving out the reports while they investigate more.

[flipflop]

Has anybody heard anything about the Toxicology reports?
I thought that I heard or read somewhere that they would be released sometime this week.

TIA for any replies.

Jackson Autopsy Delayed

Posted Jul 30th 2009 5:36PM by TMZ Staff

Michael JacksonLaw enforcement sources tell us the L.A. County Coroner has delayed release of Michael Jackson's autopsy report.

[who_is_it]

Oh well, if Tony said it take it to the bank. (tongue firmly in cheek)

Got your other message....

You know, I don't find it classy, either, that he talked to "The Mirror" (the trashy one...). Doesn't speak for him imo.

I just find that quote interesting... and about the effects of the trial I have the same opinion like this lawyer.

[Unperson1984]

now now then be fair I never saw any charges against MJ but so many still say he is Guilty...

You didn't know MJ was charged, held for trial and acquitted?

[who_is_it]

Hi guys..sorry..I have been pretty well awol the past few days...

Anyway, in putting my "Sherlock" hat on..maybe MJ was worried, and looking for a quick fix..like maybe something could stop those hot/cold feelings..yet afraid to say anything to Dr. M..cause maybe he might stop the "Treatments"...Then again, as per Nurse Lee..she did say or advise the caller to tell MJ..go to ER..as she was concerned..and could not help...... being in Flordia...something like that...

MJ's concerns/fears might have been there..however, he already knew or had been warned..and didnt want to go to any ER..or else "The Gig" would be up (exposed)..and he desperately wanted this therapy....So he put himslef into a dilema..Either go to ER..and expose it all ( I think MJ knew fullwell what he and Dr. M were doing was risky) or continue and hope it would all go away..( wishful thinking)!!

I dont think he returned Chopra's call..because he knew he would get the same advice..Yikes...It was MJ;s osterich syndrome that paved the way for what likely happened...His tolerance for this therapy changed..yet the dosages stayed the same..hummmm.Guess what happened...He died..Man oh man!!

Anyone wish to jump in on my thought...as they are only attempting to piece things together..??

LMS:ohmy:

Could be possible that he was worried about the effects of his drug abuse... or what you said that he maybe just needed a fix.

I agree with you that he was in dilemma - specially because of the shortly upcoming tour. If he had fears he couldn't have stopped from one day to the next without withdrawal symptoms.

[who_is_it]

slightly off topic:

Scroll down...., on these newer photos Jordan Chandler looks soooooooooo HOT!!!

http://imagazinefr.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/usa-michael-jacksonjordan-chandler-%E2%80%9Ci-lied-about-michael-my-dad-made-me-do-it-im-sorry%E2%80%9D/ (http://imagazinefr.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/usa-michael-jacksonjordan-chandler-%E2%80%9Ci-lied-about-michael-my-dad-made-me-do-it-im-sorry%E2%80%9D/)

[sunstar]

He called the nurse on Sunday but Deepak Chopra 2 days before his death. That wasn't on Sunday!

I found that a little strange since he was paying Dr. M $150,000 a month. I'd think he'd be able to reach him 24/7 if he was having a medical emergency.

Another thing I find interesting is something the chef said ~ :sad:

"She said Jackson told her in June that he needed her to take care of him: “I need you to feed me healthy like you have been.” She said he talked about a grueling schedule of two-a-day rehearsals.

“They’re killing me,” Chase said he told her. “They’re killing me.”"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32216180/ns/today-today_people/

[who_is_it]

I found that a little strange since he was paying Dr. M $150,000 a month. I'd think he'd be able to reach him 24/7 if he was having a medical emergency.

Another thing I find interesting is something the chef said ~ :sad:

"She said Jackson told her in June that he needed her to take care of him: “I need you to feed me healthy like you have been.” She said he talked about a grueling schedule of two-a-day rehearsals.

“They’re killing me,” Chase said he told her. “They’re killing me.”"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32216180/ns/today-today_people/

Yep, he had his own expensive doctor... and specially therefore it's odd he wanted to speak to other medically educated people. I think he was worried about his condition.

The rehearsals were stressful but he told everybody how happy he is and how much he was looking forward to the shows.

[who_is_it]

want to add to the discussion before about JC, slightly off topic again:

In 2006 Jordy wanted a permanent order against his father. The restraining order he got in August 2005. The fight with his father was shortly after MJ's trial. :sad: Could be coincidence, for sure.

[GentleBreeze]

I've watched the interview and agree with most he said.

Interesting is that he said Michael tried to call him 2 days before his death. He tried to call back but the phone was disconnected (strange, too, imo).

Allegedly Michael also tried to call the nurse 4 days before his death.

It's pretty obvious that Michael wanted medical help shortly before his death -- whatever the reasons were -- despite he had a doctor at his home. If the nurse speaks the truth he called 2 people who talked to him about the risks of drugs. No coincidence imo. I could imagine he was worried for any reasons...

I keep thinking about what Kai said. Before she left MJ was enthusiastic, sharply dressed, showing them his new dance moves, eating very well and very excited about his tour. Then she leaves for three weeks and when she gets back Murray is there and she can see a change in MJ.

I wonder if Murray didn't administer the Driprivan correctly all along and it was taking its toll on MJ during those weeks, little by little. What if during this time he was putting him to sleep for far too long each time and it finally caused him to be overdosed on the Driprivan?

Something changed and what changed in that household is Murray became MJs personal physician.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Hi GB -- Something definitely changed since Murray arrived and I don't think it was the diprivan either. I keep going back to all the strange things that happened surrounding this tour. I know AEG claims that MJ insisted on this doctor but how do we know that for sure? I also wish that Nurse Lee would have been available to make that trip the night she was called 4 nights before his death when she was in Florida. JMO

I am beginning to believe that Murray's ineptness did not just start the day he gave him the last Driprivan. I think he was totally incompetent from the very beginning. Whatever he was doing MJ was feeling worse not better.

MJ went from being a happy man, eating healthy, looking forward to a great new beginning and then just weeks later under Murray's care he is dead and Kai said MJ was not the same when she returned.

He was his doctor FGS. He had to see the decline in his demeanor and physical appearance.

I usually don't buy into conspiracy theories but there is something very very strange at play here. Can someone develop some type of toxicity from medication? I know nothing about drugs or what could have happened if Murray did certain things.

But he had to notice how lethargic his own patient was.

imo

[who_is_it]

I keep thinking about what Kai said. Before she left MJ was enthusiastic, sharply dressed, showing them his new dance moves, eating very well and very excited about his tour. Then she leaves for three weeks and when she gets back Murray is there and she can see a change in MJ.

I wonder if Murray didn't administer the Driprivan correctly all along and it was taking its toll on MJ during those weeks, little by little. What if during this time he was putting him to sleep for far too long each time and it finally caused him to be overdosed on the Driprivan?

Something changed and what changed in that household is Murray became MJs personal physician.

imo

I could imagine he did NOT administer it correctly; it's likely he had no experience with administering anesthesia.

I saw you copied the quote of the lawyer -- a true quote imo.

[who_is_it]

I am beginning to believe that Murray's ineptness did not just start the day he gave him the last Driprivan. I think he was totally incompetent from the very beginning. Whatever he was doing MJ was feeling worse not better.

MJ went from being a happy man, eating healthy, looking forward to a great new beginning and then just weeks later under Murray's care he is dead and Kai said MJ was not the same when she returned.

He was his doctor FGS. He had to see the decline in his demeanor and physical appearance.

I usually don't buy into conspiracy theories but there is something very very strange at play here. Can someone develop some type of toxicity from medication? I know nothing about drugs or what could have happened if Murray did certain things.

But he had to notice how lethargic his own patient was.

imo

I believe something has changed... but most people said he was happy until his death. I just could imagine he himself started to get worried after Murray had begun the "sleep treatment". Imo it's no coincidence he called 2 people who advised him to stay away from drugs (= no enablers).

[GentleBreeze]

I could imagine he did NOT administer it correctly; it's likely he had no experience with administering anesthesia.

I saw you copied the quote of the lawyer -- a true quote imo.

Thank you. I like what he said. I agree with him.

I just think CM was totally clueless.

He has a man that was expected to do 50 shows yet his patient was crashing and completely changing from what he had been just weeks early and it seems it only got worse.

Yet, a Chef can clearly see her boss' health changing and the doctor seems to be oblivious and more concerned that he is going to hob knob with all the entertainers at the shows.

It makes no sense.

imo

[VC2]

I haven't read the thread yet, have tried to stay away but if you didn't watch it, you must catch LKL with his personal chef Kai.

She is probably the most honest real person i have heard yet. I guess what i am trying to say is that it was clear she had no dog in the fight and she made me smile with her description of the kids, of MJ and what she saw (she doesn't say she saw it all, they weren't allowed in the upper floors of the house). Some of the little tidbits like MJ always had lunch with the kids every day and they (she and staff) could hear laughter and story telling.

Or that Prince said "Kai, my daddy wants to tell you that he would like you to come to London with us" and her response "tell your daddy i would be honored to" and the kids laughing and talking about the video games they would take on the plane.

Murray...what a complete and reprehensible disgusting man calling for Prince to see his daddy in some sort of extremis!!!!!! whether he was dead or not obviously he was close to i!

Until i listened to her i wondered if she could have been sensationalizing bc its beyond my comprehension that someone could call for a child to watch their dad being worked on but i find her the most believable person yet.

IMO

[GentleBreeze]

I just went back a couple of pages and there is a video of Dr. Chopra who said MJ tried to contact him too; two days prior to his death. I don't know GB but I get a sinking feeling in my stomach. Something was not right and it is more than just MJ getting diprivan. Two calls - within 4 days of his death? 4 days before to Nurse Lee and then 2 days before to Dr. Chopra??? and both are considered friends that never gave him drugs too! :unsure: JMO

Imo, Michael was crying out for help. Something wasn't right and he knew it but he felt so backed into a corner.

It is sich a heartbreaking tragedy.

Everyone in that house was so happy and excited until Murray entered that home and destroyed all those hopes and dreams.:sad:

imo

[GentleBreeze]

I haven't read the thread yet, have tried to stay away but if you didn't watch it, you must catch LKL with his personal chef Kai.

She is probably the most honest real person i have heard yet. I guess what i am trying to say is that it was clear she had no dog in the fight and she made me smile with her description of the kids, of MJ and what she saw (she doesn't say she saw it all, they weren't allowed in the upper floors of the house). Some of the little tidbits like MJ always had lunch with the kids every day and they (she and staff) could hear laughter and story telling.

Or that Prince said "Kai, my daddy wants to tell you that he would like you to come to London with us" and her response "tell your daddy i would be honored to" and the kids laughing and talking about the video games they would take on the plane.

Murray...what a complete and reprehensible disgusting man calling for Prince to see his daddy in some sort of extremis!!!!!! whether he was dead or not obviously he was close to i!

Until i listened to her i wondered if she could have been sensationalizing bc its beyond my comprehension that someone could call for a child to watch their dad being worked on but i find her the most believable person yet.

IMO

I find her very warm and genuine.

On the GMA interview she said that she had gone to see KJ and the children and Katherine asked her if she would come be their Chef. I certainly hope she does. I bet the children really like her a lot.

imo

[who_is_it]

Maybe he deliberately chose to ignore it. This Dr was in a lot of debt -- no telling what he may have done for $; sorry. I just went back a couple of pages and there is a video of Dr. Chopra who said MJ tried to contact him too; two days prior to his death. I don't know GB but I get a sinking feeling in my stomach. Something was not right and it is more than just MJ getting diprivan. Two calls - within 4 days of his death? 4 days before to Nurse Lee and then 2 days before to Dr. Chopra??? and both are considered friends that never gave him drugs too! :unsure: JMO

The tragedy about it is that he hadn't reach someone! If he had reached the right person or the nurse had been there he maybe would be still alive!!!

[GentleBreeze]

I watched it too, and thought the same things as you. But... near the end of the interview she mentioned something about having a publicist. Why does a cook need a publicist?

She is not just a cook imo. She is a Chef with a culinary degree, iirc who has done so for many high profile clients including preparing a meal for Obama.

I would think she has to market herself and she said she is going to write a cookbook.

imo

[who_is_it]

I always thought Dr. Murray acted like he did because he couldn't say "no" to a friend. I first thought greed wasn't his motive but I've changed my opinion. He was in debt but could have moved to smaller place imo.


" (...) a loan of nearly 1.7 million dollars on the mansion at the exclusive Red Rock Country Club."

His home was in pre-foreclosure.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090730/ten-michael-jackson-doctor-in-debt-5f8abb3.html

[VC2]

She is not just a cook imo. She is a Chef with a culinary degree, iirc who has done so for many high profile clients including preparing a meal for Obama.

I would think she has to market herself and she said she is going to write a cookbook.

imo

I agree. She would be a fool not to, it may be the death of MJ that brought her to our personal attention but she has more than enough background to not just write a cookbook but a "writing" cook book which are my favorite sort, with anecdotes of her life or dinners she made etc. MJ is dead, so long as she is not trying to just say what tabloids want to hear i.e. the "i saw MJ naked and passed out" type of stories to make money then it is understandable.

Even if she is not writing a cookbook, she needs a publicist by simple virtue of the amount of calls and interviews that people want with her. It is not an easy thing to handle unless you are very experienced with it, susan boyle (the scottish singer) discovered that, her phone was ringing off the hook at all hours from requests for interviews around the world. Somehow i think anyone connected to MJ is getting more. You have to plan the times, you need to know how to say no, you need someone to just handle it all.

i got the impression it was important to her to tell the truth about MJ especially his diet etc. She was his personal chef, she is a chef known at the highest echelons of entertainment and politics. There is a reason for her to speak out about her experience...both a personal reputation one - she didn't starve him to death - and also about Dr. Murray. IIRC she spoke to LE and her story has not changed. It is also extremely important given her account of the day.

Her comments are not giving away private secrets, it was weird but at one point it flashed into my mind she had cleared her appearance with katherine and the kids. In fact they may have asked her to speak publicly with Larry given that he is a friend of the family. Notice he never does the MJ shows that are to do with all the negative things, he has a guest host handle those. I also think the two older children have heard most of the things said, they are going to school and around other kids. IMO it is important to them that Kai say he was eating etc. when they know the tabloids are saying other things

IMO

[VC2]

I just watched LKL - I had taped it because I had to watch SYTYCD.

What a lovely and articulate woman Kai Chase is. She said MJ ate and was not anorexic but that she had left in May for 3 weeks and came back early June and noticed he had lost weight which she attributed to his rehearsals. She said MJ told her - she had to feed him - that they were killing him - she presumed he was talking about the rehearsals. Kai said that was the only time he complained.

She also said she fed him breakfast, and lunch which he ate with the children and he took his dinner with him to rehearsal. The mornings he got up late -- he made sure he had lunch with the children. She said they dined privately but you could always hear laughter and storytelling. I loved the box that Paris made for her too that she kept all of her little notes in from the kids. :)

When LK asked her why she was coming forward she said she didn't feel like she was "coming forward" just wanted to tell people that he did eat. The transcript should be available Monday but this was the gist of her interview.

see :tonguewag:?

I wondered at your concern about the publicist, had thought you watched it at the time, bc imo there is no way that Kai is anything but genuine when you listen and see her.

O/T. i have lost my mind. I just found myself breaking up pieces of bananas for a bunch of raccoons on my deck and saying "ok that is your treat you lot, you have to make do with the puppy chow now. I sad down and looked up and a big fattie bandit had come in the cat door and stolen the empty peel i dropped on the bag of chow by the door!!! I told her it meant she got one less piece tomorrow :laugh:

[Mamie]

You know what???..I suspect, given some speculations that Dr.M contacted his "Office peeps'..to go and collect files from storage..reported hours before 911 call....given this..I actually am more dismayed at Dr M!!! I think he was trying to cover his actions..by involving the kids..and showing and telling to them what he was doing...for in Dr.'s head..make sure the kids see I am trying to save their dad...

Man..oh man..The plot thickens..and I dont like what I am hearing!!!

LMS:cursing:

That's what I said yesterday or the day before, that THAT cell phone of the doctor's is going to tell the story of "all time". JMO

[Imperfect4]

I just watched LKL - I had taped it because I had to watch SYTYCD.

What a lovely and articulate woman Kai Chase is. She said MJ ate and was not anorexic but that she had left in May for 3 weeks and came back early June and noticed he had lost weight which she attributed to his rehearsals. She said MJ told her - she had to feed him - that they were killing him - she presumed he was talking about the rehearsals. Kai said that was the only time he complained.

She also said she fed him breakfast, and lunch which he ate with the children and he took his dinner with him to rehearsal. The mornings he got up late -- he made sure he had lunch with the children. She said they dined privately but you could always hear laughter and storytelling. I loved the box that Paris made for her too that she kept all of her little notes in from the kids. :)

When LK asked her why she was coming forward she said she didn't feel like she was "coming forward" just wanted to tell people that he did eat. The transcript should be available Monday but this was the gist of her interview.

Dick Gregory also mentioned on some show or other this week that MJ expressed the same thing to him back during the molestation trial, that "they" were trying to kill him. :huh:

[VC2]

No problem. I took no offense LOL VC2 and I go way back and I think the wild animals she has befriended have passed something along to her otherwise I might have to call her "senile". :laugh:

LOL! Dont say that! i might be lol. have been worried about neurological damage this year for my guys once i learned why raccoon roundworms are such killers for other animals considering a dozen appear to eat every year (and if i don';t feed them i have with them in my kitchen at 3 am crunching loudly enough to wake me unless i turn my little cabin into a sauna and close all cats in or out). Thanks to IS poster Dr. J who gave me the fantastic idea or suggesting my vet prescribe big dog size revolution - combo flea, roundworm of both types, ear mites and other parasite killer - and work out the cat dosage i can now afford it monthly instead of haphazardly. instead of 9 tubes for 9 cats i only need 2 dog tubes and then draw up the dose per. What a relief bc i live in the woods.

however, since i don't have any...don't know of a hooman one, maybe i have raccoon roundworms. They affect other mammals neurologically, keep growing in the nervous system and don't stop. 90% of supposed rabies cases are actually these roundworms. if you have kids, check the areas around the base of trees in your area where kids play, thats where the masked bandits go to the bathroom and pick up any feces with gloves. They kill a number of people every year. Ok that is my public service announcement for the day :laugh:

Arguendo, sorry ..like Athena meant, maybe i am going senile lol. Yes i can understand the observation.

Imperfect, i got the impression from Kai when you listened to her it sounded far worse in print. She said it was just one day and imo pretty normal for someone who has a stressful day at work be it dancing or in a boardroom for hours to say "they are trying to kill me, make sure i eat properly and stay healthy" lol. If i had to lock up every one i know who made comments to that effect during long days or hard work beyond what they did every day for a number of years i would have to have my dad locked up for thinking ppl were trying to kill him and also most of my ex's.. well ok, maybe they were naturally nuts :tongueside:

[daniel green]

Dick Gregory also mentioned on some show or other this week that MJ expressed the same thing to him back during the molestation trial, that "they" were trying to kill him. :huh:

Paranoia oftens accompanies drug abuse.

[daniel green]

The warrants, signed by District Judge Timothy Williams and given to CNN by Las Vegas affiliate KTNV, say "there is probable cause to believe" that searches would uncover evidence at the Las Vegas home and office of Dr. Conrad Murray of excessive prescribing, prescribing to an addict, excess treatment or prescribing, unprofessional conduct, prescribing to or treating an addict and manslaughter.

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I find it very interesting that they are stating MJ was an addict. The LA coroner's office does their drug testing inhouse and certainly knows what killed MJ.

[daniel green]

I did not watch it but watched a snip of that clip on ET or something like that earlier.

[daniel green]

VC--thank heavens for Revolution! We have a foster kitty till this coming week and she came with ear mites and gave to Mig, but gave both Revolution a bit early in the month and took to vet in the morning and they were gone.

[Imperfect4]

Did you or Imperfect watch the interview? The reason I ask is because I think you both are taking Kai's comments out of context. The way I understood it was that he was just working hard; the rehearsals; he was tired; and he wasn't eating properly - thus the phrase "they are killing me". Have you never said anything like this after a stressful day at work - I sure have and I always blame the boss. LOL Just a way of venting. I sure didn't read anything into it and certainly not paranoia. Please reread what I posted and the context that phrase was used. I also paraphrased so the actual transcript will probably put it into better form. JMO

I did watch it, Athena. And I immediately thought of Dick Gregory's similar comment. It was just a connection I made. I don't think I've ever used the phrase "they're killing me," and even though I've never been on trial or rehearsed for a concert tour, I find it an odd statement to make to two separate people, when under stress.

Just my own interpretation.

[daniel green]

OK -- I read the article you are referring to. They definitely took Kai's comments totally out of context - more sensationalism - they didn't follow-up "they are killing me" with what Kai said after that so I can understand how you interpreted it. This is why I don't trust the media. This has become so typical of most. JMO

It wasn't an article. It was her interview. That portion of it. It was in context.

[daniel green]

I did watch it, Athena. And I immediately thought of Dick Gregory's similar comment. It was just a connection I made. I don't think I've ever used the phrase "they're killing me," and even though I've never been on trial or rehearsed for a concert tour, I find it an odd statement to make to two separate people, when under stress.

Just my own interpretation.

That's what I thought, as well. Just the same phrasing. And it is a very odd thing to say. Again, paranoia is part and parcel of substance abuse.

[retiredcop]

I like Kai Chase. She seems genuine. Much more so than Lee.

in my opinion

[tinkerbell]

What do you make of Joe Jackson's recently released interview stating that MJ did have a "secret love child"????

moo

[tinkerbell]

He's a pathological liar.

imo

I agree with you.

moo

[daniel green]

She's writing a cook book.

She has more of an agenda than Lee does.

imo

Uh huh. She sure does.

[daniel green]

MJ encouraged her to write a cookbook. :)

As for Chase's future, she said Jackson encouraged her to write a cookbook and she has written one tentatively titled, "Fit for a King." It includes recipes she cooked for Jackson and the story of the time she worked for him.

"He was an inspiration to me," she said.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/WireStory?id=8198871&page=4

Well, imagine that. Someone trying to make a buck off working for MJ or knowing him. :rolleyes:

[Imperfect4]

Parts I and II of Interview on Today Show with Kai Chase

In the beginning of Part II -- she talks about the "they are killing me" re: his work schedule and says basically the same thing she said on LKL and no paranoia. She also says she saw him eat. In LKL, LK asked about anorexia -- and she totally denied it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/32216502#32216502

I'm not really on the paranoia bandwagon. I just don't enjoy drama, and I appreciate it when someone "owns their own." Imo, "I'm rehearsing very hard for this tour," would have been owning his own. "They are killing me" switches responsibility onto an outside force. That sort of it's-never-my-fault worldview is one of my pet peeves in life. It's my own cross to bear. lol

[daniel green]

I'm not really on the paranoia bandwagon. I just don't enjoy drama, and I appreciate it when someone "owns their own." Imo, "I'm rehearsing very hard for this tour," would have been owning his own. "They are killing me" switches responsibility onto an outside force. That sort of it's-never-my-fault worldview is one of my pet peeves in life. It's my own cross to bear. lol

I hear ya. A lot of playing the victim of EVERY SINGLE EVENT goes a long way in my book.

[February]

Well, imagine that. Someone trying to make a buck off working for MJ or knowing him. :rolleyes:


Well imagine that. Another negative comment when it is uncalled for.
I'm sure she will dedicate it to him. Her bio is very impressive, she seems very genuine and I wish her the best.

[flipflop]

Jackson Spent Last Hours in Doctor's Bed

Posted Jul 31st 2009 1:12AM by TMZ Staff

The reports that Michael Jackson spent the last night in his bedroom are not true -- we've learned Jackson spent his last hours in Dr. Conrad Murray's bedroom ... in Dr. Murray's bed.

Multiple law enforcement sources tell us Jackson did not want people going in and out of his room, so he used Dr. Murray's bedroom for his IV Propofol. We're told Dr. Murray administered the Propofol to Jackson hours before he died, while the singer lay in Murray's bed.

Law enforcement believes Dr. Murray may have been using his room almost nightly to administer Propofol to Jackson. Emergency workers found an IV stand, an empty IV bag and oxygen tanks in Dr. Murray's room. And as we first reported, the Monday after Jackson died, cops found a stash of Propofol and other drugs hidden in a closet connected to Dr. Murray's room.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/31/michael-jackson-propofol-dr-conrad-murray-died-houston/

[GentleBreeze]

Wow. What's wrong with that -- he liked her food and encouraged her to write a cookbook -- why not? Nothing wrong with it. :confused:

Better than most of his former employees who sold salacious tales to the tabloids. JMO

And Kai sure isn't a Chef that only cooked for Michael Jackson. He is just one among other highly well known celebrities she has cooked for.

I would certainly rather see someone write a book about their knowledge on a subject than I would those who pretend they know something and sell it to a rag mag.

I hope she tells how she was selected to cater the food for Obama, that in itself will be interesting as I have always wondered how that is done.

I have a vast collection of cookbooks. I will gladly buy her cookbook when it is published.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

I have often said my job is killing me. IMO MJ meant they were rehearsing him too hard.
"they' were the promoters, choreographers, producers, etc.
jmho , but Michael didn't seem like the paranoid type.
.

Exactly! I am astounded how some seem to think no other person other than MJ has uttered those words.

I think caboodles of people have said that at one time or another. I know I sure did all the times my dad made me work 10 hours a day doing adult tasks when I was nothing but a small child.

I have said it countless times when I was pushed to my limit during my career.

FGS! This man was preparing to do 50 long grueling shows. All of the rehearsals were hard and imo they kept pushing him to do one more song/dance routine each time he rehearsed.

All of of this feeling came from MJ when Murray came on board when he should have felt even better since he was supposed to be taken care of by his personal physician but that didn't happen. It seems the opposite happened and MJ went from a happy upbeat, enthusiastic man to one that was then struggling and I guess Murray was blind.

imo

[Thumper Too]

I've done a search, and I don't see where anyone has posted about this yet. (Of course, I know that the forum has been down for several days.) If I missed it and this is a repeat, please accept my apology. This is what I wanted to post:

Joe Jackson claimed that Michael Jackson has a 25-year-old son who can sing and dance just like Michael. His name is Omer Bhatti. What would Joe Jackson's motive be for making such a claim. I can't imagine that Michael Jackson would not support a child that he believed was his.

I read somewhere else that Omer Bhatti's mother is the nanny to Michael Jackson's children. Do you think that the boy looks like Michael Jackson? (I don't. Maybe he looks like him after all the plastic surgery.) Do you think he looks like Blanket? (Maybe, but that doesn't prove anything.) What do you think?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1201374/Michael-Jacksons-secret-son-sat-Jackson-family-memorial-concert.html

[RootBeer]

Great topic!

I do think Omar looks a lot like Blanket. I also think MJ had surgeries to make himself look more like Omar. jmo