Schwarzenegger Terminates Funding For Child Welfare, AIDS Prevention

[daniel green]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/28/schwarzenegger-expected-t_n_246100.html

[LisaM22]

I like Schwarzenegger, but he sure has not done well for California imo

[vonna]

I like Schwarzenegger, but he sure has not done well for California imo

No he hasn't. He broke his promise of not raising taxes among other disappointments.

[Lady_Jean_La]

The state is a disaster. :w00t:

[snookums1]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/28/schwarzenegger-expected-t_n_246100.htmlHe is also closing all the domestic abuse shelters. :thumbdown:

[Lady_Jean_La]

He is also cutting employee pay about 15%. Cutting education. Closing offices. Cutting meals. Delaying payments. Issuing IOUs. :chicken:

[Lady_Jean_La]

Good, maybe this will be the empetus Californians need to work to enforce immigration laws.

Californians tried but the courts ruled against them. Immigration is strictly federal. imo

[flareon]

He is also cutting employee pay about 15%. Cutting education. Closing offices. Cutting meals. Delaying payments. Issuing IOUs. :chicken:

Sounds like he is doing across the board cuts. It is the only thing he can do to correct the budget deficiencies other than raising taxes and no one wants that done at this time.

[flareon]

Yup. Thank goodness so many progressives live in California and will willingly pick up the slack financially for all these people they always express concern over!!:thumbup:

Yea, I can just see them lining up now. :biggrin:

[Lady_Jean_La]

Sounds like he is doing across the board cuts. It is the only thing he can do to correct the budget deficiencies other than raising taxes and no one wants that done at this time.It is really odd the way it works out. About 80 billion in stimulus funds and the people who are getting it have their pay cut. Really strange. Even employees who make money have their pay cut.

http://recovery.ca.gov/

[Lady_Jean_La]

http://www.chuckdevore.com/blog.asp?artid=94

California only has 12% of the US population but 32% of the welfare caseload. Something is definitely wrong with that picture!!

California is spending 100s of billions studying high speed trains and stem cells. :shrug:

[flareon]

http://www.chuckdevore.com/blog.asp?artid=94

California only has 12% of the US population but 32% of the welfare caseload. Something is definitely wrong with that picture!!

It doesn't shock me. If you have a welfare system that encourages sloth and you don't try to eradicate cheating, it isn't a shock that people would flock there. Plus the immigration issues aren't helping.

[theal3]

Face it folks we are falling behind, and the GOP likes it that way: Corporate America likes it, the Global GOP economy that Bush One preached about in the mid 80s: is now in effect. We were taken by the cleaners, by Bush 2.

Divide an conquer is the GOP strategy: and with only a minority: they still have that goal.... so NOW the enemy is minorities in our own country, Canada, France, England, any European Country with health care, but India, ME, and China, Nam our friends? and they have healthcare It's an upside down world? LOL

I'm going to rewatch "Sicko" this weekend. Arnold: can't wait to read the book on the history of California with him as "GUVenor..."

[theal3]

California, California what can we say? North and South like a former Civil War, Prop 13, Prop 8, Prop 66 and the recall of Gray Davis, but to elect a bodybuilder and B-grade movie man? Wasn't Reagan enough for you, California?

And Arnold, about that '92 Hummer, converted yet?

That about sums it up. He got his uppings, in first term, caved in and got re-elected, and did nothing..... now he's wielding the veto/macho pen.... it's so sad.....what is happening to CA. My ears are still ringing from his endorsement when McCain/Palin ran at the big Ohio rally,,,... good party appearance... he didn't win votes.... etc. etal, or their other movie stars like Norris.. etc, but they hate Hollywood, or mock it like Palin, but all Huckabee has on his Fox show, is GOP starlettes, actors, musicians etc etal... Go figure..... it's like upside down. Or do they just don't like Hollywood Democrats? but love Hollywood Republicans? They love NY and Broadway, but not the stars? the Actors, dancers, muscians etc? Such a disconnect.

They trash the arts, don't fund the arts, but love the SHOW. ;) and want to be seen on the Red Carpet? such a disconnect.

[shiloh2000]

He is also cutting employee pay about 15%. Cutting education. Closing offices. Cutting meals. Delaying payments. Issuing IOUs. :chicken:

CA is the first state that is suffering totally under this new administration, the others will follow.

[shiloh2000]

Juggling apples and oranges, my friend? We were comparing US standards to other industrialized nations, now you choose to lower the bar to compare the US to Third World Poverty; and South Asia, Sub-Saharan Africa, and East Asia.


You, too! :seeya:

rightproper........


good grief he's back :thumbdown:

[shiloh2000]

:no: What is expected here, if you wish to be taken seriously, is a link to YOUR assertions. tia

NO

If you wish to be taken seriously you have to drink the koolaid and get with the program..........isn't that right? You have to love BO for all your opinions to be facts. But if you don't then you have to post links to your opinions in order for them to be facts then the links are dissed as 'faux' because they didn't come from websites that are also in love with BO and crew.

Now isn't that the way it is rightproper????

[magythekat]

Yup. Thank goodness so many progressives live in California and will willingly pick up the slack financially for all these people they always express concern over!!:thumbup:


My thoughts exactly! As I've been reading this thread I was thinking that CA. is so progressive, they can handle all of this very well. Now with that in mind, I'm going to sit back and watch how well the CA liberals put their money where their mouth is.:thumbup:

[Carol25]

There is one thing in the Governor's favor. He is making hard choices and not adding to the deficit. And those were hard choices.

I don't know how the illegal immigration has impacted their state, for I have no link, but fining companies for hiring them I thought was the law. A healthy $50,000 for each illegal would have stopped this and encourages them to go back home. That goes for renting apt. to them as well.

People have to take responsibility for themselves at some point. The can pay for the HIV testing, and some of the child welfare may be double payments with other programs. If parents don't learn to live up to the obligations, the next generation won't either. Of course this is not about wards of the state.

Harsh times call for harsh measures. One of the mistakes Obama made was eliminating the deduction to charities If we ever wanted the rich to help, he just took away an incentive.

Of course, JMO.

[Shameonme]

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Now with that in mind, I'm going to sit back and watch how well the CA liberals put their money where their mouth is.:thumbup:

What money were paying our bills with iou's lol

[Lady_Jean_La]

YEah, doesn't measure up to what statistical data and when was that data collected? On what factors was the data collected and what organization collected the underlying data?The data is always old and less reliable.

[Lady_Jean_La]

Face it folks we are falling behind, and the GOP likes it that way: Corporate America likes it, the Global GOP economy that Bush One preached about in the mid 80s: is now in effect. We were taken by the cleaners, by Bush 2.

Divide an conquer is the GOP strategy: and with only a minority: they still have that goal.... so NOW the enemy is minorities in our own country, Canada, France, England, any European Country with health care, but India, ME, and China, Nam our friends? and they have healthcare It's an upside down world? LOL

I'm going to rewatch "Sicko" this weekend. Arnold: can't wait to read the book on the history of California with him as "GUVenor..."

It is the strategy of both major parties. imo

[Lady_Jean_La]

CA is the first state that is suffering totally under this new administration, the others will follow.

And it isn't just the state but the counties and cities. Makes it hard on all governments. imo

[Carol25]

:thumbup: Ever since we started electing politicians instead of representatives the strategy of the major parties was maintaining their power regardless of what it cost the citizens or the country.
elementwhy, You should have posted in bold. Excellent and concise point of what has happened to Congress and all elections.

[A-hem_1]

How can they miss one of the largest underlying causes of poverty - poverty wages?

:rolleyes: And here we go, some confusing immigrant labor as the entire problem, so they can ignore the underpaid Americans who are either underinsured or not insured at all.

8 years? Truthfully, 16 would be a fairer number considering the fix this nation is in dies to the past 8 years.

I agree about poverty wages. CA has a very high cost of living. You can't rent a single bedroom apartment on minimum wage, let alone have money left over for bills,medical care,food and clothing.

I just don't get why they cut educational programs. That imo would help solve part of the problem. How can someone obtain a job that pays higher then minimum wage if they don't have a proper education?

Seems to me they cut every program that would help those who live in poverty get out of poverty. Then they turn around and berate them for using gov't resouces, which are also being cut.

Just doesn't seem right that we should call ourselves the greatest nation in the world when we have so many living in poverty and squalor with no way of helping them get out their dire circumstances. IMO

[LisaM22]

Good, maybe this will be the empetus Californians need to work to enforce immigration laws.

if they go after the employers that are selling out on America and hiring illegals, more Californians would have jobs, they would collect more taxes, pay less welfare and have less illegal immigration

[LisaM22]

:thumbup: Ever since we started electing politicians instead of representatives the strategy of the major parties was maintaining their power regardless of what it cost the citizens or the country.

looks like the people are finally starting to get that, look at the last election, things they are a changing - people want people that represent them rather then corporate interests - sadly Schwarzenegger cuts made sure the people were the one that got cut, not the wasteful spending he could of cut

[LisaM22]

<snip>

Harsh times call for harsh measures. One of the mistakes Obama made was eliminating the deduction to charities If we ever wanted the rich to help, he just took away an incentive.

Of course, JMO.

are you talking about the proposed plan for 2010 where those making over 250,000 will only get 28 cents on the dollar back of their donations? that is not in effect yet, so what is your excuse now?

[LisaM22]

Arizona is living proof that enforcing the existing immigration laws benefits the state.

it's more effective to go after the employers, no jobs unless your legal and they wont come illegally

[LisaM22]

<snip> I differ in that I think this administration has magnified the issue of corporatism to the point where people are waking up.

lol, your funny, where were you the last 8 years?

[Freedom1]

are you talking about the proposed plan for 2010 where those making over 250,000 will only get 28 cents on the dollar back of their donations? that is not in effect yet, so what is your excuse now?

I'm hoping that Obama's bad judgement to cut tax deductions for charitable gifts will not matter to the American people (rich and poor) who donate millions every year to good causes. Although two independent analyses concluded that the proposal could result in a drop of as much as $3.87 billion for the already reeling nonprofit sector.

[A-hem_1]

While illegal immigrants are a problem here is CA, the are not the cause of why CA is in such a hot mess.

The reason is poor leadership and gov't spending for the past 2 decades. Gray Davis and Arnold have totally hosed this state.

[Freedom1]

While illegal immigrants are a problem here is CA, the are not the cause of why CA is in such a hot mess.

The reason is poor leadership and gov't spending for the past 2 decades. Gray Davis and Arnold have totally hosed this state.

I thought government spending was a good thing? haha I guess it isn't working with the stimulus package either.

Anyway, I would like to know how much of that government spending is on illegal immigrants.

[emdragon]

CA is the first state that is suffering totally under this new administration, the others will follow.

Oh good God get a frickking clue. (I'll even happily give you a quarter to buy one)

California's problems began LONG before this administration so stop the ignorant and uneducated comments.

As for the ignorant claims that immigration is ignored in CA you clearly have never been around during INS raids. Blaming the poor who come here to feed their families is seriously taking the cowards way out- it is the Employers who are at fault, Companies who feel paying a living wage to Americans cuts their profit so by hiring illegals for pennies their wealth grows.

The cuts Arnold choose to make will haunt him, as they should- for anyone to make children pay for the bottom line is unconscionable.

Yes Oakland has the right Idea taxing medical marijuana (heck I still say legalize it altogether then tax it and the entire country would be out of debt in months, I've said that for years)

The only thing I will applaud Arnold on is that in using his line item veto and signing the budget he took full blame for the cuts he made.

[momof6]

There are alot of people with children in poverty that don't get government assistance. All the government handouts has resulted in the collapse of California. I feel bad for hard working people that have to bail everyone else out.

After talking to my grand parents and hearing their strories of survival through out their lives, when there were no government hand outs and how hard they worked, but still got by.......Makes me see that even people that we concider being in poverty, really are not.


Talking to other Californians, they all have one theme in common.......The illegals have helped break the state. It has been a process over the years that has escalated.

Is the stimulus helping California?

[Freedom1]

I posted a link (which I cannot find now) that showed that CA has 12% of the US population but services 32% of the welfare caseload.

Here is a graph from that page. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wLFw4lOGQzk/Smo4xoActHI/AAAAAAAABVE/WAOl7r5YPC4/s1600-h/graphic3.png

Thanks for the link.

[flareon]

I thought government spending was a good thing? haha I guess it isn't working with the stimulus package either.

Anyway, I would like to know how much of that government spending is on illegal immigrants.

I would imagine that is a large part of the problem, but it is also about citizens who have endless wants and yet want to limit their tax outlays. I don't blame them because I think most people have hit tax overload, but they are going to have to realize that if you want the government to be the all encompassing parent, you are going to have to be ready to give up a large portion of your income.

[flareon]

There are alot of people with children in poverty that don't get government assistance. All the government handouts has resulted in the collapse of California. I feel bad for hard working people that have to bail everyone else out.

After talking to my grand parents and hearing their strories of survival through out their lives, when there were no government hand outs and how hard they worked, but still got by.......Makes me see that even people that we concider being in poverty, really are not.


Talking to other Californians, they all have one theme in common.......The illegals have helped break the state. It has been a process over the years that has escalated.

Is the stimulus helping California?

I think when you look at California you can see what the rest of the nation will look like in a decade if the mindless spending continues.

[snookums1]

Yes, about GB, Canada, France and Germany....what are their poverty levels, unemployment rates and standards of living in comparison to our poverty stricken country? I urge you to study up on those statistics. It's an education you might benefit from. Bless your heart.

You are so right. It is eye opening. Bless your heart for giving us incentives to look up those figures.

The most common measure of poverty in the United States is the "poverty threshold" set by the U.S. government. This measure recognizes poverty as a lack of those goods and services commonly taken for granted by members of mainstream society.[1] The official threshold is adjusted for inflation using the consumer price index. Poverty in the United States is cyclical in nature with roughly 12% to 17% living below the federal poverty line at any given point in time, and roughly 40% falling below the poverty line at some point within a 10 year time span.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States Links to figures at site.


France Population below poverty line

Population below poverty line: 6.2% ( Less than half of the US)

http://www.indexmundi.com/france/population_below_poverty_line.html

However, Great Britain has recently patterned itself after the US and as a result, their poverty level is rising.

Since 1970, area rates of poverty and wealth in Britain have changed significantly. Britain is moving back towards levels of inequality in wealth and poverty last seen more than 40 years ago.
Over the last 15 years, more households have become poor, but fewer are very poor. Even though there was less extreme poverty, the overall number of 'breadline poor' households increased – households where people live below the standard poverty line. This number has consistently been above 17 per cent, peaking at 27 per cent in 2001.Already-wealthy areas have tended to become disproportionately wealthier.

There is evidence of increasing polarisation, where rich and poor now live further apart. In areas of some cities over half of all households are now breadline poor.
There has been slower change in wealth patterns overall. The national percentage of 'asset wealthy' households fell slightly in the early 1990s but rose dramatically between 1999 and 2003 – 23 per cent of households are now wealthy in terms of housing assets.
The general pattern is of increases in social equality during the 1970s, followed by rising inequality in the 1980s and 1990s. Changes since 2000 are less clear.
Urban clustering of poverty has increased, while wealthy households have concentrated in the outskirts and surrounds of major cities, especially those classified as 'exclusive wealthy', which have been steadily concentrating around London.
Both poor and wealthy households have become more and more geographically segregated from the rest of society.
'Average' households (neither poor nor wealthy) have been diminishing in number and gradually disappearing from London and the south east.

[snookums1]

11.4 percent Canadians live below poverty line

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/world-news/114-percent-canadians-live-below-poverty-line_10044198.html

Still lower than the US but not as much lower as France.

[snookums1]

Again, what is the definition of poverty (or dollar amount statistic) for Canada? For France? For the US? If they are not all based on the same basic statistics, then you are comparing apples and oranges and the statements are as false as the WHO ranking of mortality rates when every nation uses a different measuring stick to measure mortality. Not really. For instance, one can live quite nicely on a lower wage if the cost of living is lower. For instance, people making less than $50,000 a year in my area can live quite nicely. In California, they could barely pay their rent, let alone eat right.

[Lady_Jean_La]

if they go after the employers that are selling out on America and hiring illegals, more Californians would have jobs, they would collect more taxes, pay less welfare and have less illegal immigrationThe federal government won't let them. The sheriff is powerless by court order. imo

[Lady_Jean_La]

are you talking about the proposed plan for 2010 where those making over 250,000 will only get 28 cents on the dollar back of their donations? that is not in effect yet, so what is your excuse now?Oh, that is so short sighted. imo

[Lady_Jean_La]

I thought government spending was a good thing? haha I guess it isn't working with the stimulus package either.

Anyway, I would like to know how much of that government spending is on illegal immigrants.I've seen estimates of 25 billion but I doubt anyone knows for sure. imo

[Lady_Jean_La]

There are alot of people with children in poverty that don't get government assistance. All the government handouts has resulted in the collapse of California. I feel bad for hard working people that have to bail everyone else out.

After talking to my grand parents and hearing their strories of survival through out their lives, when there were no government hand outs and how hard they worked, but still got by.......Makes me see that even people that we concider being in poverty, really are not.


Talking to other Californians, they all have one theme in common.......The illegals have helped break the state. It has been a process over the years that has escalated.

Is the stimulus helping California?

The stimulus may be helping California but not the people who work for California. imo

http://recovery.ca.gov/

[Lady_Jean_La]

I think when you look at California you can see what the rest of the nation will look like in a decade if the mindless spending continues.
Exactly, California is the future!

[Lady_Jean_La]

Again, what is the definition of poverty (or dollar amount statistic) for Canada? For France? For the US? If they are not all based on the same basic statistics, then you are comparing apples and oranges and the statements are as false as the WHO ranking of mortality rates when every nation uses a different measuring stick to measure mortality.You can live very well in California and still be in poverty. imo

[A-hem_1]

So Obama's brother who lives on a $1 a month in Kenya has a way better life than an American citizen making $17K a year living in CA?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/2590614/Barack-Obamas-lost-brother-found-in-Kenya.html

:confused:

What does Kenya have to do with CA?

I live in CA. You cannot rent an apt and pay bills,food,medical and clothing on 17k a year. Rent is appox 1200 for a single bedroom apt.

[Lady_Jean_La]

The governor just slashed health care for one million children. imo

[LisaM22]

I'm hoping that Obama's bad judgement to cut tax deductions for charitable gifts will not matter to the American people (rich and poor) who donate millions every year to good causes. Although two independent analyses concluded that the proposal could result in a drop of as much as $3.87 billion for the already reeling nonprofit sector.

so you mean people would not donate the part the tax payers pay normaly have to cover for them?

[LisaM22]

Writing and calling my congressmen...the last 3 years at least. Where were you? I learn from my mistakes. When the facts change, thinking people re-evaluate their positions.

I voted my change as did the rest of the American voters in this country, I am pleased with much of the change we are seeing, not all, but at least I see a brighter future now that the Bush Administration is out of the white house

[Circe]

so you mean people would not donate the part the tax payers pay normaly have to cover for them?

No, what it means is that the rich that use charitable deductions will just find some other way around paying. MO, of course.

[Lady_Jean_La]

And the rich who are having a hard time won't pay as much taxes and more cuts will be made because the budget depends on the rich paying taxes. imo

[LisaM22]

No, what it means is that the rich that use charitable deductions will just find some other way around paying. MO, of course.

they would still get 28 cents on the dollar off their taxes due, so I think they will still do it, if for now other reasons then so if people say they are stingy, they can say I donated .001% of my wealth to charity or something... actually they would probably say it in dollars vs percent of their wealth as it sounds more impressive as many poor people donate a bigger percent of their wealth to charity then the rich do

[Lady_Jean_La]

they would still get 28 cents on the dollar off their taxes due, so I think they will still do it, if for now other reasons then so if people say they are stingy, they can say I donated .001% of my wealth to charity or something... actually they would probably say it in dollars vs percent of their wealth as it sounds more impressive as many poor people donate a bigger percent of their wealth to charity then the rich do

Just look at all the colleges, libraries and hospitals named after poor donors. imo

[flareon]

Just look at all the colleges, libraries and hospitals named after poor donors. imo

I'm sure there are many of them. I just can't think of one. :biggrin:

[emdragon]

If you are making $17K a year than you can share a house with other people and pay for your portion of it and share the bills. As you gain skills you increase your income and work your way to financial independence. It's how our ancestors did it, why are we too good to do that today?

Oh so your advocating Communes- isn't that a SOCIALIST idea?

[Lady_Jean_La]

If you are making $17K a year than you can share a house with other people and pay for your portion of it and share the bills. As you gain skills you increase your income and work your way to financial independence. It's how our ancestors did it, why are we too good to do that today?
It's the American way.
:thumbsup:

[A-hem_1]

If you are making $17K a year than you can share a house with other people and pay for your portion of it and share the bills. As you gain skills you increase your income and work your way to financial independence. It's how our ancestors did it, why are we too good to do that today?

I am disabled, cannot work. I have a degree and was financially independent. Illness took over and now I am unable to work. I made good money before, but now I am on SSDI.

But this isn't about me, it's about all citizens. Every case is unique.

Not everything is cut and dry.

[Bozo2.0]

are you talking about the proposed plan for 2010 where those making over 250,000 will only get 28 cents on the dollar back of their donations? that is not in effect yet, so what is your excuse now?


A better question is what is the excuse of Liberals right now? IMO statistics show that conservatives give more to charitable organizations than libs,

Step up!

[A-hem_1]

A better question is what is the excuse of Liberals right now? IMO statistics show that conservatives give more to charitable organizations than libs,

Step up!

I don't see how anyone can track who gives more. I have never claimed a donation on my tax returns. When I do make a donation, no one asks me what party, if any, I am affiliated with.

I don't even think my tax returns show what party I am with.

How was this tracking done?

[Lady_Jean_La]

I don't see how anyone can track who gives more. I have never claimed a donation on my tax returns. When I do make a donation, no one asks me what party, if any, I am affiliated with.

I don't even think my tax returns show what party I am with.

How was this tracking done?

Polls. imo

[A-hem_1]

Polls. imo

anyone can lie in a poll. imo

[Lady_Jean_La]

anyone can lie in a poll. imoAnd is that supposed to prove all polls are worthless?

:confused:

[Lady_Jean_La]

anyone can lie in a poll. imo

Governor's approval rating at 28% according to poll. But maybe someone lied. imo

[A-hem_1]

And is that supposed to prove all polls are worthless?

:confused:

I don't take any poll seriously. It's all in how the pollster asks the question. A professional pollster can make any poll come out the way they want it to. imo

Plus, they only sample about 2000 people. How many million do we have in this country?

[A-hem_1]

Governor's approval rating at 28% according to poll. But maybe someone lied. imo

Or maybe they didn't poll enough people. imo

[LisaM22]

wonder if this republican gov is gonna quit on the people anytime soon

[Lady_Jean_La]

Or maybe they didn't poll enough people. imo

Republicans give a bigger share of their incomes to charity, says a prominent economist

http://philanthropy.com/free/articles/v19/i04/04001101.htm

Red states give more/Blue states give less

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2005/11/generosity_inde.html

[Lady_Jean_La]

wonder if this republican gov is gonna quit on the people anytime soonThe Lt. governor would appreciate it. imo

[Streetdreamer]

CA is the first state that is suffering totally under this new administration, the others will follow.

LOL, that must be a joke... You would have to explain how the new Admin caused the successfully fiscal state of California to collapse in 6 months. Till then, the snake oil you're trying to sell won't work.

[Lady_Jean_La]

California Guardsmen to get $1.8M in college help

AP

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090731/ap_on_re_us/us_california_guard_1

[Brentwood]

I just to not understand cutting from the bottom 1st. To save money, take it away from the most vulnerable? Yet, the rich/influentual get their way and stuff their pockets.

[Lady_Jean_La]

I just to not understand cutting from the bottom 1st. To save money, take it away from the most vulnerable? Yet, the rich/influentual get their way and stuff their pockets.

The rich/influential had their pockets emptied by the recession. That's why tax revenues are way down. California depends on the rich to support the state, when the rich lose everyone hurts. imo

[MiamiNice1]

CA is the first state that is suffering totally under this new administration, the others will follow.
You are absolutely correct......

"As California goes, so goes the nation."

imo

[MiamiNice1]

:rolleyes: fwiw, it's "as MAINE goes ... "
omg. :laugh:........You're a HOOT!

[Lady_Jean_La]

:rolleyes: Are you really that unaware? Big BAILOUTS, war profits, etc?????? What are you? some Rove puppit?No, it is the very unusual way the tax system is set up in California. Fuel tax for highways, property tax for counties, sales tax for cities, utility taxes for districts, special taxes for special funds and tax the rich for the general fund. Basically all the governor can play with is the general fund. imo

[Brat2002]

The rich/influential had their pockets emptied by the recession. That's why tax revenues are way down. California depends on the rich to support the state, when the rich lose everyone hurts. imo

I read that a lot of the tax payers have opted to leave some of California's cities because of gangs as well as higher taxes than the rest of the country. California is a prime example of what happens when you have more money going out than is coming in. Cuts have to be made when things are upside down like that. When the money isn't there, what choice is there?

IMO

[Brentwood]

:rolleyes: Are you really that unaware? Big BAILOUTS, war profits, etc?????? What are you? some Rove puppit?

I was thinking the same thing. Well said!

[Brat2002]

:rolleyes: Are you really that unaware? Big BAILOUTS, war profits, etc?????? What are you? some Rove puppit?

You are quick with the nasty insults, aren't you? If you're not picking on someone for spelling, you are hurling insults. Btw, it's "puppet."

[Lady_Jean_La]

I read that a lot of the tax payers have opted to leave some of California's cities because of gangs as well as higher taxes than the rest of the country. California is a prime example of what happens when you have more money going out than is coming in. Cuts have to be made when things are upside down like that. When the money isn't there, what choice is there?

IMO

A net of 3,000 people leave California each day. Probably a third are retirees which are fairly well off. imo

[flareon]

I read that a lot of the tax payers have opted to leave some of California's cities because of gangs as well as higher taxes than the rest of the country. California is a prime example of what happens when you have more money going out than is coming in. Cuts have to be made when things are upside down like that. When the money isn't there, what choice is there?

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I would imagine that is happening in most states. I know it is in mine.

In my state you have some areas that have been revitalized and had yuppies move in. The problem is that as they had children, they wanted to move to the suburbs.

The property taxes rates for a home in the city is nearly 3 times the rates in the surrounding counties. The more affluent areas have hired their own police presence, but sometimes the crime bleeds over into these areas. Who wants to pay 3 times as much to live in a cesspool?

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A net of 3,000 people leave California each day. Probably a third are retirees which are fairly well off. imo

How has it affected the property taxes with the plummet in real estate values?

I know in my area it really didn't make too much of a difference because we have a homestead credit which limited the amount the taxes can increase each year. Property assessments would have to drop tremendously for a decrease to occur if a person has lived in the home for a long period of time.