NFL commissioner conditionally reinstates Vick

[daniel green]

So Michael Vick is a free man again, having been restored his unalienable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of a quarterback's job. What next?

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/lopresti/2009-07-22-michael-vick_N.htm

[SavannahStar]

I sincerely pray that he is NEVER allowed to play professional football again. :thumbdown:

[R~O~S]

I sincerely pray that he is NEVER allowed to play professional football again. :thumbdown:

Write the commissioner!! It's up to him.

Goodell has all the power right now. You can bet your life if the suspension is lifted that man will play pro ball again. It's reality, there are so many teams and just so much talent. If he's eligible to play, there's a team that will take him.

The only thing that will keep that man off the gridiron is Goodell and his suspension. The only thing keeping Goodell from lifting that suspension is the bad press he's gonna get when he does.

Write him, call him, let him know just how bad that press is going to be for the league and how much you expect him to enforce his own code of conduct which every single player knew about long before MV was arrested.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/01/AR2007090101156.html

"He has succinctly delivered a message of what the NFL stands for and what it expects," said David Carter, the executive director of the Sports Business Institute at the University of Southern California. "He understands that falling short on these issues would hurt his brand and hurt the owners' ability to generate revenues for their franchises.

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The league had a player conduct policy before Goodell took office, but no player had been suspended for longer than four games under it. Goodell announced a toughened policy in April after consulting with players and securing the support of players' union chief Gene Upshaw. The new policy empowers the commissioner to fine, suspend or impose a lifetime ban on an offending player, and to sanction a team with many offending players. Goodell showed he meant business by suspending Tennessee Titans cornerback Adam "Pacman" Jones for the entire 2007 season and Cincinnati Bengals wide receiver Chris Henry for the first half of it. He later suspended defensive tackle Tank Johnson, since released by the Chicago Bears, for a half-season.

That's what it's all about, the almighty buck. If he thinks he can slip Vick back into the lineup without losing revenue, he's gonna bow to the pressure of the owners and let him back in.

Call him: Telephone #: 1-212-450-2000 or (212) 450-2027

E-mail him: Roger Goodell’s Email Address (NFL Commissioner): Roger.Goodell2@nfl.net

We can wish and hope for anything we want, but advocating for it has a much better chance of success.

[EKate23]

Vick still has to apologize to Goodell and it has to be accepted, his reinstatement's not a foregone conclusion. However, a meeting this week seems to be, IMO.

[daniel green]

Write the commissioner!! It's up to him.

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YEP! Write and call.

Thx for posting his info ROS, and so good to see you, as always!

[drip~drop1]

Write the commissioner!! It's up to him.

Goodell has all the power right now. You can bet your life if the suspension is lifted that man will play pro ball again. It's reality, there are so many teams and just so much talent. If he's eligible to play, there's a team that will take him.

The only thing that will keep that man off the gridiron is Goodell and his suspension. The only thing keeping Goodell from lifting that suspension is the bad press he's gonna get when he does.

Write him, call him, let him know just how bad that press is going to be for the league and how much you expect him to enforce his own code of conduct which every single player knew about long before MV was arrested.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/01/AR2007090101156.html



That's what it's all about, the almighty buck. If he thinks he can slip Vick back into the lineup without losing revenue, he's gonna bow to the pressure of the owners and let him back in.

Call him: Telephone #: 1-212-450-2000 or (212) 450-2027

E-mail him: Roger Goodell’s Email Address (NFL Commissioner): Roger.Goodell2@nfl.net

We can wish and hope for anything we want, but advocating for it has a much better chance of success.

Thanks for the link for goodell R~O~S. Maybe I'll call and give an earful as well.:cursing:

[dinojen]

2 mins ago

NEW YORK – Michael Vick was conditionally reinstated by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell on Monday and could play in regular season games as early as October. Vick can immediately participate in preseason practices, workouts and meetings and can play in the final two preseason games — if he can find a team that will sign him. A number of teams have already said they would not.

Goodell suspended Vick indefinitely in August 2007 after the former Atlanta Falcons quarterback admitted bankrolling the "Bad Newz Kennels" dogfighting operation. Goodell said then that Vick must show remorse and signs that he has changed before he would consider reinstating him.

Once the season begins, Vick may participate in all team activities except games, and Goodell said he would consider Vick for full reinstatement by Week 6 (Oct. 18-19).

Goodell called a news conference for late Monday afternoon.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090727/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_vick_reinstated

Feel sorry for the fans of any team that signs him... JMHO...

[Tracian]

Bet they are waiting to see if the games will get protested or boycotted.

I can't see many honorable people wanting to be 'teammates' with Vick, or want to cheer him on.

[dinojen]

Bet they are waiting to see if the games will get protested or boycotted.

I can't see many honorable people wanting to be 'teammates' with Vick, or want to cheer him on.

Terrell Owens is backing him... that says something doesn't it...:rolleyes:


Can't wait to see what the fans have to say about it... and like you said his future teammates if any..

[SavannahStar]

I'm just utterly disappointed and so disgusted. :cursing:

[dgfred]

I'm disgusted with what he did, but he did serve his time... and lost most of his money so imo he deserves another chance. How fans treat him is another story and any owner that decides to sign him better think hard and long about it.

[True2Blues]

I'm more than disappointed in the NFL. As far as I'm concerned they are saying they condone the despicable actions of Vick.

[sunstar]

I'm disappointed too but obviously there isn't anything in place that prohibits ex-cons from playing once their sentence is served. What still remains to be seen, if a team signs him, is after his long absence if he's still any good at playing and can win games. :scared: MOO

[R~O~S]

I'm disappointed too but obviously there isn't anything in place that prohibits ex-cons from playing once their sentence is served. What still remains to be seen, if a team signs him, is after his long absence if he's still any good at playing and can win games. :scared: MOO

Oh there most certainly is, the player code of conduct Goodell himself put in place.

http://www.nflplayers.com/images/fck/NFL%20Personal%20Conduct%20Policy%202008.pdf

It was all up to him, and it's not like Vick had a stellar record before the dogfighting charges.

So tell me Commissioner, what exactly does a player need to do to come under that "lifetime suspension" you claimed you'd use for any player that engaged in "conduct that undermines or puts at risk the integrity and reputation of the NFL, NFL clubs or NFL players"?

[sunstar]

Oh there most certainly is, the player code of conduct Goodell himself put in place.

http://www.nflplayers.com/images/fck/NFL%20Personal%20Conduct%20Policy%202008.pdf

It was all up to him, and it's not like Vick had a stellar record before the dogfighting charges.

So tell me Commissioner, what exactly does a player need to do to come under that "lifetime suspension" you claimed you'd use for any player that engaged in "conduct that undermines or puts at risk the integrity and reputation of the NFL, NFL clubs or NFL players"?
Oops! Thanks for bringing that to my attention ~ and good question!

[Noahs ARK]

You are right. He did his time for the dog-fighting and I have no problem with that. I don't know what to about someone who so enjoyed torturing animals when they were done serving his purpose.

This is my concern, too. It's one thing to get caught and do your time in jail. It's another thing to change his true personality, which I believe is pure evil.

I don't believe for one moment that he's had a change of heart. I also think he'd do it again in a heartbeat if he thought he wouldn't get caught.

[Spyder88]

This is my concern, too. It's one thing to get caught and do your time in jail. It's another thing to change his true personality, which I believe is pure evil.

I don't believe for one moment that he's had a change of heart. I also think he'd do it again in a heartbeat if he thought he wouldn't get caught.

I couldn't agree with you more, Noah. He truly epitomizes all that is ugly in a human being. I think he's sick and I don't think he's gotten better or learned anything. The guy makes my skin crawl.

[Dogmatic]

Oh there most certainly is, the player code of conduct Goodell himself put in place.

http://www.nflplayers.com/images/fck/NFL%20Personal%20Conduct%20Policy%202008.pdf

It was all up to him, and it's not like Vick had a stellar record before the dogfighting charges.

So tell me Commissioner, what exactly does a player need to do to come under that "lifetime suspension" you claimed you'd use for any player that engaged in "conduct that undermines or puts at risk the integrity and reputation of the NFL, NFL clubs or NFL players"?


Amen! This reinstatement is a disgrace in my opinion.

[Dogmatic]

I have to chuckle at the very thought anyone may have had that the Commish WOULD NOT bring MV back!:rolleyes:


I held out hope that the Commish would do the right thing...........I was wrong

[BOZGAL2]

Well if he doesn't think that killing someone while driving drunk is sufficient then I'm certainly not surprised at MVs reinstatement. I, too, would like to know just what it does take to get that "lifetime suspension". Hope we never have to see whatever it is!:scared:

ITA
This case SICKENED me to the CORE. barf
Despicable IMO

[True2Blues]

I couldn't agree with you more, Noah. He truly epitomizes all that is ugly in a human being. I think he's sick and I don't think he's gotten better or learned anything. The guy makes my skin crawl.

Just the kind of person who should be representing the Sport isn't he? The sort all parents want their children to look up to and try to emulate.:rolleyes:

[SavannahStar]

I held out hope that the Commish would do the right thing...........I was wrong

I'm with you.

Well call me stupid, naive, gullible, idealistic...I don't care. I had hoped and prayed the right thing would be done.

What's wrong with Michael Vick getting another job somewhere? IMO he doesn't deserve to make millions again with the NFL.

Once an animal abuser, always an animal abuser. Again, IMO. I think they are like pedophiles in that there is no real "cure."

He just sickens me beyond belief.

On a good note, however, many of the "Vicktory dogs" have gone on to lead full and happy lives with loving families and caregivers. And the dogs that suffered and died at Vick's hands did not do so in vain. I believe we have a far greater public awareness of the evil of animal abuse and tougher laws.

I always try to look on the bright side of things. :sad:

God bless those poor beautiful pitbulls!

[Dogmatic]

I'm with you.

Well call me stupid, naive, gullible, idealistic...I don't care. I had hoped and prayed the right thing would be done.

What's wrong with Michael Vick getting another job somewhere? IMO he doesn't deserve to make millions again with the NFL.

Once an animal abuser, always an animal abuser. Again, IMO. I think they are like pedophiles in that there is no real "cure."

He just sickens me beyond belief.

On a good note, however, many of the "Vicktory dogs" have gone on to lead full and happy lives with loving families and caregivers. And the dogs that suffered and died at Vick's hands did not do so in vain. I believe we have a far greater public awareness of the evil of animal abuse and tougher laws.

I always try to look on the bright side of things. :sad:

God bless those poor beautiful pitbulls!

And to those that are evil and exploit the fierce loyalty, strength, and protective nature of that breed....................your day of reckoning will come.

[Noahs ARK]

And to those that are evil and exploit the fierce loyalty, strength, and protective nature of that breed................your day of reckoning will come.

Amen to that!

[SavannahStar]

And to those that are evil and exploit the fierce loyalty, strength, and protective nature of that breed....................your day of reckoning will come.

:rose:

YES!

[Adalena935]

Terrell Owens is backing him... that says something doesn't it...:rolleyes:


Can't wait to see what the fans have to say about it... and like you said his future teammates if any..

Yes it says a lot about anyone who could even think of backing this monster. Owens is trying to drum up support for Vick on Twitter of all the audacity.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/thehuddle/2009/07/terrell-owens-rounding-up-support-for-michael-vick-on-twitter.html

[Adalena935]

I heard someone make the outrageous statement about Vick; that he rehabilitated himself. OMG! The man got caught and arrested. He didn't commit a single act but is a horribly violent heartless man. I was just waking up when someone on Fox News made that statement. Couldn't believe my ears. The rest of the panel protested the comment.

[vonna]

2 mins ago

NEW YORK – Michael Vick was conditionally reinstated by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell on Monday and could play in regular season games as early as October. Vick can immediately participate in preseason practices, workouts and meetings and can play in the final two preseason games — if he can find a team that will sign him. A number of teams have already said they would not.

Goodell suspended Vick indefinitely in August 2007 after the former Atlanta Falcons quarterback admitted bankrolling the "Bad Newz Kennels" dogfighting operation. Goodell said then that Vick must show remorse and signs that he has changed before he would consider reinstating him.

Once the season begins, Vick may participate in all team activities except games, and Goodell said he would consider Vick for full reinstatement by Week 6 (Oct. 18-19).

Goodell called a news conference for late Monday afternoon.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090727/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_vick_reinstated

Feel sorry for the fans of any team that signs him... JMHO...

I hope the people in the stands boo this sick creature every time he appears. No normal person could do what he has done which is unforgivable!!

[R~O~S]

I hope the people in the stands boo this sick creature every time he appears. No normal person could do what he has done which is unforgivable!!


I told my husband if the Patriots pick him up we'll be dropping our tickets. His heart sunk (30 yr season ticket holders) because he knows I'm serious & he thinks they could consider it. I can't figure out where he'd fit in their line up anyway.

If there are any ideas as to what prop I could bring to the game of any visiting team that does pick him up, prior to him actually being back on the field, I'd appreciate the suggestion.

I'll be leaving my seat empty if that team comes into town once the creep is back on the field & doing what I can to get others to do the same. It's the only way to make the point, deny them the concessions revenue.

Bengals joined the teams stating publicly they have no interest.

http://www.comcast.net/articles/sports-nfl/20090728/Bengals-Vick/

[SavannahStar]

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Bengals joined the teams stating publicly they have no interest.

http://www.comcast.net/articles/sports-nfl/20090728/Bengals-Vick/

But the article says the owner hopes another team picks him up. :thumbdown: I just WISH teams would come out and say they don't want him and WHY (related to his crimes), and they hope no other team wants him and WHY. Has any team come out with that?

:sad:

[dinojen]

But the article says the owner hopes another team picks him up. :thumbdown: I just WISH teams would come out and say they don't want him and WHY (related to his crimes), and they hope no other team wants him and WHY. Has any team come out with that?

:sad:

They keep saying the Niner's would take him... man... I would be making a petition up so fast and sending it off to the idiot that runs my Niner's.. The Yorks have screwed up that team so bad... god if only Eddie D would of behaved... he knew how to run the team... John York and Eddie's sister are idiots.. Actually I think their son is GM now .. and he is getting advice from the man that knows football Eddie..

Niner's have always been pretty much a class act.. (in comparison to our other bay area team the Raider's.. pretty much anything can be expected from them...lol) So I don't think old Vick would be a good fit and I don't think the fans would like it.

Can't imagine any fan being delighted to have him on the field in their uniform.. I'm really disappointed in the decision to reinstate him even with the restrictions.. JMO.. Second chance is one thing.. but letting him go back to thinking he's all that.. just isn't right.. JMO..

[Noahs ARK]

Hate to sound dumb, but I need to know...Nobody laugh, please!! :sad:

How exactly does the sports channel that we have thru our satellite company make money?

Would it do any good to threaten to cancel out the sports channels?

[True2Blues]

Hate to sound dumb, but I need to know...Nobody laugh, please!! :sad:

How exactly does the sports channel that we have thru our satellite company make money?

Would it do any good to threaten to cancel out the sports channels?

If it's a commercial station then through sponsors of the programming. There are some specific services that are commercial free, but get paid for the coverage by customers who order the service, all sports have those.

[R~O~S]

Hate to sound dumb, but I need to know...Nobody laugh, please!! :sad:

How exactly does the sports channel that we have thru our satellite company make money?

Would it do any good to threaten to cancel out the sports channels?

Not knowing what satellite company you're with, based on the little research I've done.............

It seems you'd have more leverage by complaining directly to the sport network, such as ESPN.

Understand, I don't have satellite, I have cable, so I had to research to find out how they make their money. It's two fold, via subscriber and network. Either the network has advertisers or not, but they pay the satellite company or cable company to broadcast their signal.

They pay based on the demographic of the subscriber base. If Direct TV has the demographic they appeal to, they'll pay Direct TV to broadcast their signal. The network advertisers pay them based on how many people are watching the broadcast regardless of whether it's over satellite or cable.

So, if ESPN knows people are going to drop their subscription because of this, they'll pay attention whether you're on cable or satellite.

I hope this helps, and I didn't consider laughing since I had to engage more advanced search skills than google to answer with any confidence & I had no idea how many different sports networks actually exist until I did. lol


ETA: Once we know which team signs him, we can target the advertisers for that team. The Patriots have McDonald's & Dunkin Donuts, I can't imagine they'd want to be seen as the companies that support abuse of animals. Such things lead to just retched PR. <<evil grin>> TY Ms Noah for giving me the next step in my one woman campaign.

[Noahs ARK]

*snip*


ETA: Once we know which team signs him, we can target the advertisers for that team. The Patriots have McDonald's & Dunkin Donuts, I can't imagine they'd want to be seen as the companies that support abuse of animals. Such things lead to just retched PR. <<evil grin>> TY Ms Noah for giving me the next step in my one woman campaign.

Thanks T2B and ROS ~ Was hoping this would spark some interest.

I'm e-mailing all my friends and family - they're all animal lovers & rescuers. I want our voices to be heard!!

[SavannahStar]

Thanks T2B and ROS ~ Was hoping this would spark some interest.

I'm e-mailing all my friends and family - they're all animal lovers & rescuers. I want our voices to be heard!!

:thumbsup: God bless you for all you do!!!!!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH!

[Noahs ARK]

:thumbsup: God bless you for all you do!!!!!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH!

OMGosh - I just called my brother (he has 6 cats - all dumped) and he's already cancelled his sports channels thru his cable company.

He said he cancelled them as soon as heard about MV possibly being reinstated. Yay!!

My mom doesn't have cable or satellite, but she said she'll call and e-mail her local channels and tell them. She's a big sports fan, but she's an even bigger animal fan.

[EKate23]

I'm disgusted with what he did, but he did serve his time... and lost most of his money so imo he deserves another chance. How fans treat him is another story and any owner that decides to sign him better think hard and long about it.


Exactly. I figured Goodell would let him back in, but would want Vick to prove he's ready. With the six game suspension in place, teams have time to evaluate him physically as well as gauge fan reaction. I'm a big believer in doing the crime and the time, but then after the sentence is served, more punishment shouldn't be piled on.

[Spyder88]

Exactly. I figured Goodell would let him back in, but would want Vick to prove he's ready. With the six game suspension in place, teams have time to evaluate him physically as well as gauge fan reaction. I'm a big believer in doing the crime and the time, but then after the sentence is served, more punishment shouldn't be piled on.

Anyone of Vick's calibur needed to be made an example of and I don't care what "punishment" continues to pile on him or his ilk once they get out of jail.

I have no reason to want to see his ugly face playing football, nor to I want to see him making more money so he can use it to abuse any more of God's hapless creatures who have the misfortune of falling into his murderous, sadistic hands. The thought of him throwing a football with those blood-stained hands makes me want to hurl.

A rose by any other name is still a rose, and an abuser by any other name is still an abuser. He's sick and he did NOT get better. I'd venture to say he's only gotten worse.

A lousy year in the slammer and he's back on easy street. So...doesn't it make you wonder how many animals, women and children has he abused and will continue to abuse in his lifetime? And he will continue to abuse. He'll just be more careful...maybe.

Like I've said before. The guy creeps me out. He's one sick freakazoid and that's a fact. To think of young, impressionable children trying to emulate the likes of him gives me the heebs.

Like Dogmatic said, and it bears repeating: those that are evil and exploit the fierce loyalty, strength, and protective nature of that breed....................your day of reckoning will come.

[ChocHollyK]

I'm not trying to start an argument here, or belittle anyone who disagrees with me, but....

Dang.... I absolutely truly cannot comprehend a single human soul who could support Vick or support the idea that he may well be REWARDED for, apparently, serving time in jail for a heinous, despicable, soul-wounding crime.

I agree he should be able to make a living; we acknowledge that for all other criminals, but all other criminals are not earning what Vick will ultimately be earning.
HE BROKE THE LAW, HE CONDONED DESPICABLE, UNTHINKABLE TORTURE AND INCOMPREHENSIBLE KILLINGS OF HELPLESS CREATURES WHO HAVE NO VOICE AND NO ESCAPE!!!!!!!!!!!

and there is any QUESTION here about whether or not he should be REWARDED when he leaves the prison that was not hard enough for a blatant deliberate animal killer?????

It is beyond my comprehension; I'm not particularly a football fan, hardly ever watch the games, but I will make a point to NOT watch a moment of any televised game he is playing in ....

And then I will wait patiently... OJ thought he was going to get away scot-free, and now spends time with his new boyfriend in a Nevada prison...
Vick will ultimately get the same; rewarding him with reinstatement and eventual game time and NFL salaries will teach him that he is untouchable, just as acquittal taught OJ .....
and believing himself to be untouchable will soon bring his ultimate downfall... just as it did for OJ....

[ABC]

Vick did the crime and the time. He has paid his debt and deserves to resume his life as best he can.

[ChocHollyK]

Vick did the crime and the time. He has paid his debt and deserves to resume his life as best he can.

I agree. I just don't believe that 'his life' should be in the NFL, at the level of compensation that he threw away by committing such a heinous crime.

He needs to get some other employment. If he DOES get picked up by a team and ultimately gets onto the field, I hope that a majority of fans will BOO loudly and strongly and get up and leave.
To me, that would be worth the (ridiculously high) cost of a game ticket.

It's been proven over and over that the majority of murderers/criminals began with animal abuse.

[SavannahStar]

I agree. I just don't believe that 'his life' should be in the NFL, at the level of compensation that he threw away by committing such a heinous crime.

He needs to get some other employment. If he DOES get picked up by a team and ultimately gets onto the field, I hope that a majority of fans will BOO loudly and strongly and get up and leave.
To me, that would be worth the (ridiculously high) cost of a game ticket.

It's been proven over and over that the majority of murderers/criminals began with animal abuse.

Very well said and I agree 100%! :thumbsup:

[SavannahStar]

:beer::patriot:

Another NFL Team Says No to Michael Vick
Wednesday, July 29, 2009

Another team turned down the opportunity to sign reinstated NFL quarterback Michael Vick.

Washington Redskins coach Jim Zorn told the media his team wouldn't sign Vick "at this juncture."

Zorn says he wishes Vick the best and is sure the former Atlanta Falcons quarterback will return to the NFL.

The Redskins join a long list of teams — including the New York Giants, Jets and Dallas Cowboys — that have said they don't want Vick after he served 18 months in federal prison for running a dogfighting ring.

(more at link)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,535380,00.html?test=latestnews

For the pitbulls: :rose:

[dgfred]

Rumors are Ravens and Patriots are possible destinations. Just glad my Dolphins drafted Pat White, or they might have been interested :thumbdown: .

[dinojen]

As long as it's not my team... I don't care where he goes... and I won't be watching him no matter who he plays for...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/07/30/sports/s004302D93.DTL&type=49ers

[drip~drop1]

I held out hope that the Commish would do the right thing...........I was wrong

Me too.
anybody have his e-mail addy? I lost it. Need to send "commish" another
:cursing: love:angry: note.

[drip~drop1]

But the article says the owner hopes another team picks him up. :thumbdown: I just WISH teams would come out and say they don't want him and WHY (related to his crimes), and they hope no other team wants him and WHY. Has any team come out with that?

:sad:

but....but...that wouldn't be pc:rolleyes:
An owner with some guts needs to speak up. Now!
imo

[Rangerx1]

Rumors are Ravens and Patriots are possible destinations. Just glad my Dolphins drafted Pat White, or they might have been interested :thumbdown: .

I agree. I've been a Dolphin fan since I was a kid. If they would have picked him up, I would have never attended, watched another game.


Now, if Vick wanted to show remorse and redeem himself, here's a place to start.

http://www.hsus.org/acf/news/sean_moore_profile_ada_052209.html

[Noahs ARK]

:beer::patriot:

Another NFL Team Says No to Michael Vick
Wednesday, July 29, 2009

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For the pitbulls: :rose:

Yay! Thanks for posting this, SS - I haven't had a chance to listen to any MV news today.

[Noahs ARK]

Now, if Vick wanted to show remorse and redeem himself, here's a place to start.

http://www.hsus.org/acf/news/sean_moore_profile_ada_052209.html

What an excellent program!! Great link, Ranger - thanks.

[Dogmatic]

Vick did the crime and the time. He has paid his debt and deserves to resume his life as best he can.



I agree. He deserves to be free and get a job. I just don't believe he deserves to be reinstated in the NFL with the national visibility and celebrity status that comes with it. It sends the wrong message very very loudly, JMHO

[Streetdreamer]

God condemns hypocrites, not sinners. Some of y'all are in that arena. To condemn M. Vick when you personally know people who hunt or even bowhunt for sport(Dick Cheney) not for food, who participate in rodeo's where bulls commonly break hips, horns, legs and nevermind the mental torture, circus animals who recieve massively unreal abuse, or even the thought of cheering on matadors are in for one hell of a ride in the afterlife.

I firmly believe that if the animal kingdom had a concious decision on who can be forgiven and who can be condemned, native americans who killed for food and supplies would be far better off and the people who encouraged the massacre of buffalos for luxury items or the proud display of ivory from African elephants even to this modern day would be in the deepest of condemnation even if they didn't see an animal in their life.

If M. Vick deserved what happened to him, then so does everyone else who is involved in animal cruelty. This was a way of life that put food on his table to the point it became cultural that was ineffectively ran by family members till he bankrolled the property. The people involved who won and lost money on it, rolled over on him.

Let him engage in and enjoy the fruits of his lifetime of training. He has a talent that people would pay to use, let them do so. Redemption is a fundamental belief in our way of life.

[R~O~S]

Me too.
anybody have his e-mail addy? I lost it. Need to send "commish" another
:cursing: love:angry: note.

Call him: Telephone #: 1-212-450-2000 or (212) 450-2027

E-mail him: Roger Goodell’s Email Address (NFL Commissioner):

Roger.Goodell2@nfl.net

Interesting Streetdreamer would assume anyone who cares enough about this subject to take action, would have friends who hunt for trophy, or attend rodeos & circuses. I guess he hasn't been around here very long or spent much time on the animals forum.

[Noahs ARK]

God condemns hypocrites, not sinners. Some of y'all are in that arena. To condemn M. Vick when you personally know people who hunt or even bowhunt for sport(Dick Cheney) not for food, who participate in rodeo's where bulls commonly break hips, horns, legs and nevermind the mental torture, circus animals who recieve massively unreal abuse, or even the thought of cheering on matadors are in for one hell of a ride in the afterlife.

*snip*

Let him engage in and enjoy the fruits of his lifetime of training. He has a talent that people would pay to use, let them do so. Redemption is a fundamental belief in our way of life.

Know people who hunt - Nope
Allow people to hunt on my property - Nope
Attend or participate in rodeos - Nope
Go to circus - Nope
Bullfighting or Running of the Bulls - Nope

I believe in allowing a person a 2nd chance when they're truly sorry for what they did and try to make things right.

I don't believe for one moment that he's sorry for what he did - only that he got caught...which resulted in jail time, loss of his career and big bucks.

I also don't believe he's sorry for what he did to those poor dogs. Maybe somebody else can tell me if I'm wrong, but I haven't seen him try to make any restitution for what he did.

[True2Blues]

Call him: Telephone #: 1-212-450-2000 or (212) 450-2027

E-mail him: Roger Goodell’s Email Address (NFL Commissioner):

Roger.Goodell2@nfl.net

Interesting Streetdreamer would assume anyone who cares enough about this subject to take action, would have friends who hunt for trophy, or attend rodeos & circuses. I guess he hasn't been around here very long or spent much time on the animals forum.

I tried that email a couple of days ago, it doesn't work or he's shut it down to make it harder to reach him. Maybe he thinks most people will give up, rather than send an actual letter.

[True2Blues]

Know people who hunt - Nope
Allow people to hunt on my property - Nope
Attend or participate in rodeos - Nope
Go to circus - Nope
Bullfighting or Running of the Bulls - Nope

I believe in allowing a person a 2nd chance when they're truly sorry for what they did and try to make things right.

I don't believe for one moment that he's sorry for what he did - only that he got caught...which resulted in jail time, loss of his career and big bucks.

I also don't believe he's sorry for what he did to those poor dogs. Maybe somebody else can tell me if I'm wrong, but I haven't seen him try to make any restitution for what he did.

I agree Noah. I don't condone any animal cruelty and I don't see Vick as sorry for anything but getting caught. To endorse him, is to endorse animal cruelty to me.

[drip~drop1]

Call him: Telephone #: 1-212-450-2000 or (212) 450-2027

E-mail him: Roger Goodell’s Email Address (NFL Commissioner):

Roger.Goodell2@nfl.net

Interesting Streetdreamer would assume anyone who cares enough about this subject to take action, would have friends who hunt for trophy, or attend rodeos & circuses. I guess he hasn't been around here very long or spent much time on the animals forum.

Thanks ring.

Yes, that was interesting. me, i've never killed a fuzzy for any reason, never will. Don''t do rodeos or circus' either. lol

[Spyder88]

God condemns hypocrites, not sinners. Some of y'all are in that arena. To condemn M. Vick when you personally know people who hunt or even bowhunt for sport(Dick Cheney) not for food, who participate in rodeo's where bulls commonly break hips, horns, legs and nevermind the mental torture, circus animals who recieve massively unreal abuse, or even the thought of cheering on matadors are in for one hell of a ride in the afterlife.

I firmly believe that if the animal kingdom had a concious decision on who can be forgiven and who can be condemned, native americans who killed for food and supplies would be far better off and the people who encouraged the massacre of buffalos for luxury items or the proud display of ivory from African elephants even to this modern day would be in the deepest of condemnation even if they didn't see an animal in their life.

If M. Vick deserved what happened to him, then so does everyone else who is involved in animal cruelty. This was a way of life that put food on his table to the point it became cultural that was ineffectively ran by family members till he bankrolled the property. The people involved who won and lost money on it, rolled over on him.

Let him engage in and enjoy the fruits of his lifetime of training. He has a talent that people would pay to use, let them do so. Redemption is a fundamental belief in our way of life.

You are so full of nonsensical rhetoric it's not even funny.

If vick hadn't gotten caught, all those animals and countless others like them would still be suffering, dying, gambled over and bred for all the wrong reasons. The whole idea is repulsive and if you need to give Vick excuses I fear for your own humanity.

Don't hand me that garbage about hunting and circus or rodeo abuse. This particular thread is about Michael Vick and his penchant for abuse and inhuman cruelty to thsoe of God's creatures who ask for nothing save a kind word or a pat on the head.

I would hope that since the football commissioner doesn't seem to have a brain in his numbskull, that no sane football owner would want that ignorant, lying, animal abusing, freakazoid playing on their team and perhaps that will keep him out. I doubt it, because of the greed, but I can still hope.

[ABC]

But Vick did get caught, went to trial, found quilty, did his time and has paid his debt to society. In the American Justice system, he can move on and make the best he can of his life. If Vick actually gets on a team, folks have the right to boycott the team but don't have the right to deny his a chance for a new life. Nor does the law require that Vick be sorry for his deeds, only that he do the time for the crime.

[SavannahStar]

But Vick did get caught, went to trial, found quilty, did his time and has paid his debt to society. In the American Justice system, he can move on and make the best he can of his life. If Vick actually gets on a team, folks have the right to boycott the team but don't have the right to deny his a chance for a new life. Nor does the law require that Vick be sorry for his deeds, only that he do the time for the crime.

I don't think there is even one thing you have posted here which is not true!

That being said, what he COULD have been denied was a chance for a new life WITH THE NFL....and sadly for most of us on this thread, that didn't happen, because of the commissioner's decision. Many feel that was a wrong decision. It certainly doesn't send the right message to young sports fans who should be able to look up to their heroes as moral and decent human beings as well as gifted athletes.

Hey if I had my way this monster would still be locked up and banned for life from the NFL.

I really hope and pray he fails miserably with this new stint in pro football.

I can do that much!

IMO!!!!!!!!!!!

For the pitbulls: :rose:

[CarolynP]

I e-mailed Mr.Goodell. I am appauled that he would re-instate this guy.
He should be ashamed of himself. Compare what MV did to Pete Rose.
MV is no good. What kind of person could kill a dog. What kind of person could be with people who tolerate such acts and bet on dogfights. Let's see now MV has lied to everyone, hung around with drug people who attend this dispicable display, fought dogs to the death, killed dogs with his own hands, and involved himself with gambling. WOW! What a great guy and every kid should look up to him. If I had it my way the only pass this guy would make would be at a homeless shelter passing the dinner rolls.

[vonna]

I e-mailed Mr.Goodell. I am appauled that he would re-instate this guy.
He should be ashamed of himself. Compare what MV did to Pete Rose.
MV is no good. What kind of person could kill a dog. What kind of person could be with people who tolerate such acts and bet on dogfights. Let's see now MV has lied to everyone, hung around with drug people who attend this dispicable display, fought dogs to the death, killed dogs with his own hands, and involved himself with gambling. WOW! What a great guy and every kid should look up to him. If I had it my way the only pass this guy would make would be at a homeless shelter passing the dinner rolls.

Couldn't agree more. This guy has a character flaw that cannot be changed. What he did can't be forgiven or forgotten.

[ExArkie]

It's kind of laughable that Pete Rose is still "out," while some of these guys are back "in." Sometimes, I don't understand my fellowman!!:rolleyes:

[SavannahStar]

We have a good thread going over in Sports about this also:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=356498

Come join us!

[R~O~S]

http://www.brownsgab.com/2009/08/01/browns-have-no-interest-in-michael-vick/

Just in case you were wondering, the Browns are not the least bit interested in former Falcons QB Mike Vick.

When asked the question on Saturday after their first practice, coach Eric Mangini quickly shot down the chance for the Browns to bring Vick in. “We don’t and I’m happy with the quarterbacks that we have and we’re focused on those guys,” Mangini said.

I'll have to sent the dawg pound some biscuits! :thumbsup:

[hiitsme]

I told my husband if the Patriots pick him up we'll be dropping our tickets. His heart sunk (30 yr season ticket holders) because he knows I'm serious & he thinks they could consider it. I can't figure out where he'd fit in their line up anyway.

If there are any ideas as to what prop I could bring to the game of any visiting team that does pick him up, prior to him actually being back on the field, I'd appreciate the suggestion.

I'll be leaving my seat empty if that team comes into town once the creep is back on the field & doing what I can to get others to do the same. It's the only way to make the point, deny them the concessions revenue.

Bengals joined the teams stating publicly they have no interest.

.

http://www.comcast.net/articles/sports-nfl/20090728/Bengals-Vick/


As an avid Patriots fan also, and former season tickets holder, my reaction was exactly the same. This guy's actions sickened me. I am hopefully one of many who are voicing their disgust over this possible decision.

[R~O~S]

If anyone has trouble with the e-mail address, please keep trying. Apparently when his mailbox is full it will bounce back, but it's a good address and the only one I can find.


lol, of course the phone number works well, but you'll need to leave a message.

[warhorse46]

If anyone has trouble with the e-mail address, please keep trying. Apparently when his mailbox is full it will bounce back, but it's a good address and the only one I can find.


lol, of course the phone number works well, but you'll need to leave a message.


I sent a message early this morning & so far it has not bounced back.

[R~O~S]

I sent a message early this morning & so far it has not bounced back.

TY warhorse! Ty for sending, and ty for the update.

It would seem morning is the best time, by evening it's full and nobody empties it until the next day. At least that's what I've figured out based on what I've been told. I haven't had one bounce back yet, but I've had friends tell me they have.

[september]

NFL... the national felons league. I too posted the commissioner and told him he was irresponsible to hire him. What kind of a message does it send to young people. I guess to play you have to be a felon. If it were my decision the policy would be one conviction and your out. But in the NFL a conviction is a plus.

I bet NFL has more felons playing for it then any other major sport.

[dinojen]

As an avid Patriots fan also, and former season tickets holder, my reaction was exactly the same. This guy's actions sickened me. I am hopefully one of many who are voicing their disgust over this possible decision.


Another team say thanks but no thanks.....

FOXBOROUGH, Mass. (AP) — Patriots owner Robert Kraft suggests that New England has little interest in signing Michael Vick.

Kraft says the team doesn't need the former Atlanta Falcons star because the Patriots already have the best quarterback in Tom Brady.

Patriots coach Bill Belichick praised Vicks' ability last week when he was conditionally reinstated by the NFL after serving 18 months in prison for running a dogfighting ring.

Kraft spoke about Vick during a Sirius NFL Radio show broadcast from Gillette Stadium on Saturday. His comments were reported in Sunday's Boston Globe. The Patriots on Sunday confirmed the essence of Kraft's remarks. A transcript of the show was not available.

http://www.comcast.net/articles/sports-general/20090802/Patriots-Vick/


Heck the Brown's don't even want him... Singletary with my Niner's doesn't want him ... we have our own QB issues... wonder where he will end up...

[Tracian]

I have to admit, I don't follow football or the players really...

Has Vick ever sincerely done anything to right this horrible thing he was involved in?

Did many players/teammates come to his support?

Or has it been more or less silence?

[Noahs ARK]

I sent a message early this morning & so far it has not bounced back.

I also sent a message. I told him that as an animal rescuer, his decision to reinstate MV was not acceptable in any way, shape or form.

[warhorse46]

NFL... the national felons league. I too posted the commissioner and told him he was irresponsible to hire him. What kind of a message does it send to young people. I guess to play you have to be a felon. If it were my decision the policy would be one conviction and your out. But in the NFL a conviction is a plus.

I bet NFL has more felons playing for it then any other major sport.



Similar to what I said! I said that the NFL should be inducting people who would improve their image which is badly tarnished right now, not convicted felons of violent crimes such as Vick. And if Vick was reinstated I would stop watching football & would not knowingly buy any products that advertised on their games. I also said I was a long time football fan (my all time favorite player is Don Meredith).

[GentleBreeze]

I have to admit, I don't follow football or the players really...

Has Vick ever sincerely done anything to right this horrible thing he was involved in?

Did many players/teammates come to his support?

Or has it been more or less silence?

I think the issue was just too hot for anyone to come out and voice support. They certainly wouldn't want to get caught up in the frenzy and then the people be "after their heads" too.

I do know even after this happened in Atlanta he had many loyal fans and still does. His #8 jersey is one of the best sellers.

I don't think anyone is going to hire him this soon but I do think he will be hired eventually.

imo

[R~O~S]

I think the issue was just too hot for anyone to come out and voice support. They certainly wouldn't want to get caught up in the frenzy and then the people be "after their heads" too.

I do know even after this happened in Atlanta he had many loyal fans and still does. His #8 jersey is one of the best sellers.

I don't think anyone is going to hire him this soon but I do think he will be hired eventually.

imo

Unfortunately there were several players for both the Falcons and the Washington Red Skins that spoke out in his defense when he was first arrested. Remarks suggesting this was no big deal, they're his dogs he can do with them what he wants.

Some of them apologized, some of them just shut up after their remarks hit the media & the backlash was heard round the sports world. I believe they were told to shut up, I don't believe they changed their opinion.

[Noahs ARK]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2009-07-30-michael-vick-list_N.htm

Who wants Michael Vick? Who's in, out of QB sweepstakes

As Michael Vick searches for a new NFL home, USA TODAY tracks the comments made by each team regarding their potential interest in the former Atlanta Falcons quarterback:

• Teams that have not made public comments about Vick: Arizona Cardinals, Green Bay Packers, Houston Texans, San Diego Chargers.

Atlanta Falcons: The Falcons cut Vick in June, and team owner Arthur Blank has said several times he doesn't anticipate Vick playing for the Falcons again.

Baltimore Ravens: Head coach John Harbaugh acknowledged that the Ravens have considered Vick. "We've had long discussions about (Vick) and we have a feeling about how he would impact our team and not impact our team," Harbaugh said. (July 28)

Buffalo Bills: Team COO Russ Brandon said the Bills have "no interest at this time." Said Brandon, "We're comfortable with our roster as it stands right now." (July 28)

Carolina Panthers: Head coach John Fox refused to rule out signing Vick, but said "right now we're pretty set at quarterback." The Panthers gave Jake Delhomme a five-year extension in the offseason. (Aug. 2)

Chicago Bears: Head coach Lovie Smith said he supports Vick's re-entry into the NFL, but didn't indicate it would come with the Bears. "I think Mike deserves a second chance, like everyone in society who has paid their debt to society," Smith said. "He deserves a second chance. As far as we're concerned, we like this team that we have right now." (July 30)

Cincinnati Bengals: Team owner Mike Brown said he would not pursue Vick, but he hopes some other team does. (July 28).

Cleveland Browns: Coach Eric Mangini said the team is not interested in pursuing Vick. "I'm happy with our group of guys," Mangini said. (Aug. 1)

Dallas Cowboys: Owner Jerry Jones says the Cowboys have no plans to sign Vick. "I want to be real clear in that I like where we are at quarterback," Jones said. "That's it. I just like where we are. I don't want to move where we are at quarterback." (July 28)

Denver Broncos: Coach Josh McDaniels was noncommittal. "We always evaluate every player, but we're not bringing him in right now and we're content with the guys we have coming to camp," McDaniels said. (July 29)

Detroit Lions: Coach Jim Scwhartz answered "probably not" when asked if the Lions would have interest in Vick. The Lions selected QB Matthew Stafford with the first overall pick in April's draft. (July 29)

Indianapolis Colts: Former coach Tony Dungy, who will mentor Vick as part of the quarterback's reinstatement, previously said Indianapolis would be an appealing destination for Vick, if not for the presence of Peyton Manning. Current coach Jim Caldwell reiterated that. "We really love our quarterback situation," Caldwell said. "Mike Vick's a very fine football player and I'm certain he'll find a niche somewhere. But at this particular time, on this team, there's not a need." (July 31)

Kansas City Chiefs: A team spokesman said back in May: "The Chiefs have no comment regarding Michael Vick. They haven't given any thought to it. They don't want to be involved in any conversation about Michael Vick." The team also signed quarterback Matt Cassel to a six-year contract this month.

Jacksonville Jaguars: Coach Jack Del Rio told the Florida Times-Union his club is not interested in acquiring Vick. (July 27)

Miami Dolphins: GM Jeff Ireland released a statement saying the team has no interest in Vick. (July 29)

Minnesota Vikings: Coach Brad Childress and owner Zygi Wilf said that the Vikings would not pursue Vick. "It would have to be a no," Childress said when asked about the possibility. (July 30)

New England Patriots: Team owner Robert Kraft doused speculation that the Patriots would pursue Vick when he said on Aug. 1 that doesn't want to acquire a player who would limit snaps for QB Tom Brady. "We've got the number one player in the world at that position, as far as I'm concerned," Kraft told Sirius satellite radio. "Why would we want do anything that would take (Brady) off the field for one play?" On July 31, one day after calling Vick an "outstanding player," coach Bill Belichick evaded direct questions about having interest in Vick. "I don't know that it's ruled in or ruled out," he said. "I don't think it's ever been put that way, so I can't answer that."

New Orleans Saints: GM Mickey Loomis stood by his statement from last month that he's not interested in adding Vick. "We have already commented on Vick and have nothing further to add," Loomis said. (July 29)

New York Giants: Giants ownership has no interest in Vick. "On a lot of levels, no," Giants co-owner and CEO John Mara said. (July 20)

New York Jets: Jets ownership said they have no interest in bringing in Vick. "No, there's no interest that we have," Jets owner Woody Johnson said. (July 20)

Oakland Raiders: Coach Tom Cable said the team has no plans to bring in free agent Michael Vick. "We like who we have, so let's move forward," Cable said. "We haven't had that discussion because it's not relevant to what we're trying to do and who we have."(July 30)

Philadelphia Eagles: Coach Andy Reid, on his interest in Vick: "Number one, I think he's a good kid. Right now we have a good situation at quarterback so that's not the direction I'm looking." (July 28)

Pittsburgh Steelers: Coach Mike Tomlin refused to rule the Super Bowl champions out as Vick's potential landing spot. "I'll say this," Tomlin said, "we'll be prudent and do our due diligence as far as exploring people that could potentially help us win, guys who can throw, run, catch, block, tackle on a professional level." (July 31)

St. Louis Rams: GM Billy Devaney said the Rams are not interested in pursuing Vick. "No, no, no. That's been beat to death," he said. (July 28)

San Francisco 49ers: Coach Mike Singletary called the potential for Vick landing in San Francisco "a dead issue." Said Singletary, "It's not happening." (July 28)

Seattle Seahawks: Coach Jim Mora, who coached Vick in Atlanta, has said several times this year Vick isn't an option for his new team. "We are very happy with the quarterbacks we have on our roster," he said in June. "We have no intentions of adding a quarterback to our roster."

Tampa Bay Buccaneers: GM Mark Dominik said the Bucs won't be players for Vick. "We weigh every option when it comes to players, and I can honestly say we've done our due diligence on Michael Vick and we're not interested," he said. (June 13)

Tennessee Titans: Coach Jeff Fisher said he's "pleased with our quarterback situation." He added that Vick should be considered a quarterback, not a receiver or running back. Asked if he'd think of adding Vick, he said, "I'd have to cross that bridge when you come to it." (July 30)

Washington Redskins: Coach Jim Zorn left open the possibility of revisiting the Michael Vick situation in the future, just not now. "I would just say it won't be with us, at least at this juncture," Zorn said. (July 29)

If this has already been posted somewhere, CW can delete.

[Noahs ARK]

I posted a list on the MV sports thread - the teams and their comments. Interesting.

[dinojen]

San Francisco 49ers: Coach Mike Singletary called the potential for Vick landing in San Francisco "a dead issue." Said Singletary, "It's not happening." (July 28)


Made me very very happy....:thumbsup:

[jaxback]

Thanks for all that info, Noah's Ark. These teams must have been coming under tremendous pressure to issue statements, and I'm glad to see that very few will even consider Vick.

I do think that the statement from St. Louis might have been better phrased:

St. Louis Rams: GM Billy Devaney said the Rams are not interested in pursuing Vick. "No, no, no. That's been beat to death," he said. (July 28)

:angry: to the whole thing. Vick deserves exactly nothing, imo, and I don't believe for one nanosecond that a monster who can do what he did can be rehabilitated. :thumbdown: jmo

[september]

I posted a list on the MV sports thread - the teams and their comments. Interesting.

Do you have a link? TIA

[SavannahStar]

Thanks for all that info, Noah's Ark. These teams must have been coming under tremendous pressure to issue statements, and I'm glad to see that very few will even consider Vick.

I do think that the statement from St. Louis might have been better phrased:

St. Louis Rams: GM Billy Devaney said the Rams are not interested in pursuing Vick. "No, no, no. That's been beat to death," he said. (July 28)

:angry: to the whole thing. Vick deserves exactly nothing, imo, and I don't believe for one nanosecond that a monster who can do what he did can be rehabilitated. :thumbdown: jmo

What you said!!!!!

And thanks, Noah'sArk, for that article!

[ABC]

I agree. I just don't believe that 'his life' should be in the NFL, at the level of compensation that he threw away by committing such a heinous crime.

He needs to get some other employment. If he DOES get picked up by a team and ultimately gets onto the field, I hope that a majority of fans will BOO loudly and strongly and get up and leave.
To me, that would be worth the (ridiculously high) cost of a game ticket.

It's been proven over and over that the majority of murderers/criminals began with animal abuse.
Michael Vick did not kill or abuse person a person. Although not a fan of Pitbulls, I think what he did was awful but at the same time, I think we gotta keep this in perspective. In my opinion only.

[True2Blues]

Michael Vick did not kill or abuse person a person. Although not a fan of Pitbulls, I think what he did was awful but at the same time, I think we gotta keep this in perspective. In my opinion only.

I think it is being kept in perspective. The man tortured an killed animals that were captive and at his mercy. He has no remorse whatsoever, no empathy for the suffering of living creatures. In fact, he was reported to enjoy it.

No empathy and no remorse make for a dangerous person. Torturing and killing innocent creatures for fun and profit mean he's willing to act on it. I don't like sharks, but I think the people who brutally kill them, just because they are sharks, need to be punished to the full extent of the law.

Wanton cruelty is no less acceptable because it is a creature that cannot fight back or communicate it's need for help. I don't accept that it's okay because some consider a dog a lesser creature.

The creature that is least of all creatures, is the one who would do such a thing.

[ABC]

I think it is being kept in perspective. The man tortured an killed animals that were captive and at his mercy. He has no remorse whatsoever, no empathy for the suffering of living creatures. In fact, he was reported to enjoy it.

No empathy and no remorse make for a dangerous person. Torturing and killing innocent creatures for fun and profit mean he's willing to act on it. I don't like sharks, but I think the people who brutally kill them, just because they are sharks, need to be punished to the full extent of the law.

Wanton cruelty is no less acceptable because it is a creature that cannot fight back or communicate it's need for help. I don't accept that it's okay because some consider a dog a lesser creature.

The creature that is least of all creatures, is the one who would do such a thing.
Yes he did, however, he was arrested, tried, convicted, sent to prison and completed his time and debt to society. I have no idea if Vick has any empathy or remorse and neither does anyone else. The law does not care about empathy or remorse nor is it required, only that he did the time for the crime and he did.
Neither a fan or have any interest in football and have watched no games except the Super Bown at a party in over fifteen years. I think football is boring - a play - ten minutes of commercials, a hurdle and another play. Its not like golf or soccer that something is happening every minute of the game.

[True2Blues]

Yes he did, however, he was arrested, tried, convicted, sent to prison and completed his time and debt to society. I have no idea if Vick has any empathy or remorse and neither does anyone else. The law does not care about empathy or remorse nor is it required, only that he did the time for the crime and he did.

This isn't about the law. It's about the opinions people have about Vick being allowed back into the NFL after what he has done. No law said he had to be reinstated, that decision was up to the Commissioner entirely. Not everyone agrees with that decision, and we all have the right to believe it is wrong, just as some believe it is right.

[True2Blues]

It says at the bottom of this article that the Houston Texans have said they aren't interested in Vick either.

http://www.albanyherald.com/Main.asp?SectionID=4&SubSectionID=4&ArticleID=4893

[Noahs ARK]

I'm wondering if the cable and satellite companies are getting cancellations.

Our satellite company called us today and offered us the sports package, along with all the movie channels, for $2 a month! :scared:

I said I wouldn't be ordering any further channels until I knew for sure that MV wouldn't be playing.

[Noahs ARK]

It says at the bottom of this article that the Houston Texans have said they aren't interested in Vick either.

http://www.albanyherald.com/Main.asp?SectionID=4&SubSectionID=4&ArticleID=4893

That doesn't leave too many teams, does it?

Taken from my post up above..... • Teams that have not made public comments about Vick: Arizona Cardinals, Green Bay Packers, Houston Texans, San Diego Chargers.

[R~O~S]

From Noah's article & ty Noah, I hadn't seen it put together in a list before:

Indianapolis Colts: Former coach Tony Dungy, who will mentor Vick as part of the quarterback's reinstatement, previously said Indianapolis would be an appealing destination for Vick, if not for the presence of Peyton Manning. Current coach Jim Caldwell reiterated that. "We really love our quarterback situation," Caldwell said. "Mike Vick's a very fine football player and I'm certain he'll find a niche somewhere. But at this particular time, on this team, there's not a need." (July 31)

That Tony Dungy is willing to stand up for this man would have held a lot of merit in the eyes of Commissioner Goodell. I have a lot of respect for Tony, I knew he'd been to see him in prison and came out believing Vick is "salvageable".

I just don't think his reputation is "salvageable". We don't need thugs held up to public acclaim because they can toss a football, or catch one. If as human beings they're devoid of character, or worse have such a disreputable character that they don't even see the wrongfulness of their actions, they don't deserve to be put in a position allowing children to perceive them as heroes & the good guys, despite what they do in their personal lives.

I love how people want to tell us Vick has "learned his lesson", "paid his debt" & "deserves a second chance". By my count, he's had a second, third and fourth chance. It wasn't until his behavior was so egregious no one was willing to look the other way that he ended up where he is:

In early 2004, two men were arrested in Virginia for distributing marijuana. The truck they were driving was registered to Michael Vick. Falcons coach Dan Reeves recalled that he lectured Vick at that time on the importance of reputation, on choosing the right friends, and on staying out of trouble for the good of his team. The Atlanta Journal-Constitution quoted Reeves as having told Vick: "You are an Atlanta Falcon...Whatever you do is going to be a reflection on all of us, not just you."

On October 10, 2004, Vick and the other members of his party, including employee Quanis Phillips, were at Atlanta's Hartsfield International Airport on their way to board an AirTran flight. While they were passing through a security checkpoint with Vick, a security camera caught Phillips and Todd Harris picking up an expensive-appearing watch (either a Rolex or a fake) which belonged to Alvin Spencer, a security screener. After watching the theft on a video tape, Spencer filed a police report. However, he claimed that Billy "White Shoes" Johnson, known as the Falcons' "fixer", interfered with the investigation. Although Vick representatives declined to make him available for an Atlanta police inquiry, six days later Spencer did get the watch back from them, according to the Washington Post.

In March 2005, Sonya Elliott filed a civil lawsuit against Vick alleging she contracted genital herpes from him in the autumn of 2002, and that he failed to inform her that he had the disease. Elliot further alleged that Vick had visited clinics under the alias "Ron Mexico" to get treatments and thus knew of his condition. On April 24, 2006, Vick's attorney, Lawrence Woodward, revealed that the lawsuit had been settled out of court under undisclosed terms. Many fans bought custom jerseys from NFL.com with Vick's number 7 and the name "MEXICO" on the back, as a reference to his lawsuit. The NFL has since banned customizing jerseys with the name Mexico.

November 26, 2006 – After a Falcons loss to the New Orleans Saints in the Georgia Dome, in apparent reaction to fans booing, Vick made an obscene gesture at fans, holding up two middle fingers. He was fined $10,000 by the NFL and agreed to donate another $10,000 to charity.

January 17, 2007 – Vick surrendered a water bottle which had a hidden compartment to security personnel at Miami International Airport. "The compartment was hidden by the bottle's label so that it appeared to be a full bottle of water when held upright," police said. Test results indicated there were no illegal substances in the water bottle and Vick was cleared of any wrongdoing. Vick announced that the water bottle was a jewelry stash box, and that the substance in question had been jewelry.

On Tuesday, April 24, 2007, Michael Vick was scheduled to lobby on Capitol Hill, hoping to persuade lawmakers to increase funding for after-school programs. However, Vick missed a connecting flight in Atlanta on Monday to Reagan National Airport in Arlington, Virginia. He later failed to show-up for another seat booked for him later that evening. On Tuesday morning, he did not attend his scheduled appearance at the congressional breakfast where he also was to be honored for his foundation's work with after-school projects in Georgia and Virginia.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Vick


& Michael's version of what happened at the Miami airport, doesn't quite add up to the realities of the situation at the time:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2738494

The 26-year-old player was forced to surrender the bottle when he attempted to take it through airport security last Wednesday. He was not arrested and went on to board an AirTran flight to Atlanta.

A police report said the bottle appeared from the outside to contain water but had a compartment behind the label. That compartment contained a "small amount of dark particulate" and an odor consistent with marijuana, the report said. Monday's memo did not say what the material was.

Police had also said last week the lab analysis could take several weeks.

Possession of less than 20 grams of marijuana is a misdemeanor under Florida law, punishable by up to a year in jail and a $1,000 fine. First offenders rarely do jail time.


Interesting, isn't it, how all of a sudden there was no need to get those lab tests back before declaring Michael "cleared" and allowed to explain away the "compartment" contents as jewelry. I can assure you neither my jewelry nor my jewelry cleaner smells of pot, and neither could be described as a "dark particulate". But money does talk & both Michael and the Falcons had a lot of it, at the time. Both have a lot less now.

[R~O~S]

Do you have a link? TIA


September, it's on the sports forum here at TruTV msg board:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=356498

Noah's post is currently on the last page.

I know Noah would have pointed you to it, but that ark full of furbabies get in the way of her posting time. lol

[True2Blues]

That doesn't leave too many teams, does it?

Taken from my post up above..... • Teams that have not made public comments about Vick: Arizona Cardinals, Green Bay Packers, Houston Texans, San Diego Chargers.


Nope. It's getting down to the line now. I'm hoping for the others to hurry up and say "He deserves a second chance (we must be pc and conform to the party line) but we're happy with the team we have."

[Rangerx1]

I saw this story and couldn't believe what I was reading.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/The-Michael-Vick-Community-Celebration-is-real?urn=nfl,180330

Vick is expected to speak at the event and to spread the word of Martin Luther King Jr's message of non-violence.

The thought sickens me that he would speak on non-violence. I've written the SCLC on my opinions on it. It's hard to believe that Vick and Dr. King would be mentioned in the same sentence.

[True2Blues]

I saw this story and couldn't believe what I was reading.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/The-Michael-Vick-Community-Celebration-is-real?urn=nfl,180330



The thought sickens me that he would speak on non-violence. I've written the SCLC on my opinions on it. It's hard to believe that Vick and Dr. King would be mentioned in the same sentence.

I agree completely.

[R~O~S]

I saw this story and couldn't believe what I was reading.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/The-Michael-Vick-Community-Celebration-is-real?urn=nfl,180330



The thought sickens me that he would speak on non-violence. I've written the SCLC on my opinions on it. It's hard to believe that Vick and Dr. King would be mentioned in the same sentence.

Apparently somebody else felt the same way, Michael won't be able to attend, he has a prior obligation with the Humane Society:

http://www.comcast.net/articles/sports-nfl/20090803/Vick-Homecoming/

Celebration postponed to an undetermined date.

AP article, no quoting.

[True2Blues]

Apparently somebody else felt the same way, Michael won't be able to attend, he has a prior obligation with the Humane Society:

http://www.comcast.net/articles/sports-nfl/20090803/Vick-Homecoming/

Celebration postponed to an undetermined date.

AP article, no quoting.

Good for them! Too bad the Humane Society isn't wising up. I contacted them and told to stop mailing pleas for money to me, since they were now endorsing Michael Vick. He's shown no sincere remorse, I don't believe he's sorry for anything other than getting caught, as Noah said.

I told them to get my share from him, I'll continue to support the truly humane animal rescues that I trust and believe in.

[Noahs ARK]

Good for them! Too bad the Humane Society isn't wising up. I contacted them and told to stop mailing pleas for money to me, since they were now endorsing Michael Vick. He's shown no sincere remorse, I don't believe he's sorry for anything other than getting caught, as Noah said.

I told them to get my share from him, I'll continue to support the truly humane animal rescues that I trust and believe in.

Good idea. I should be getting my Donation Pack from them soon, but think I'll send them an e-mail.

[Noahs ARK]

Do you have a link? TIA

Sorry - just saw this.

It's on the Sports Forum. I thought about also posting the article here in the Animal Forum, but it's a long article and I don't want to take up space.

[ChocHollyK]

Yes he did, however, he was arrested, tried, convicted, sent to prison and completed his time and debt to society. I have no idea if Vick has any empathy or remorse and neither does anyone else. The law does not care about empathy or remorse nor is it required, only that he did the time for the crime and he did.
Neither a fan or have any interest in football and have watched no games except the Super Bown at a party in over fifteen years. I think football is boring - a play - ten minutes of commercials, a hurdle and another play. Its not like golf or soccer that something is happening every minute of the game.

Let me put it to you this way. When someone abuses helpless children, and are caught and convicted, their life changes drastically, both in and out of jail.
In jail, they are hated by their fellow prisoners.
After release, they often cannot find a 'home' because when neighbors discover they've abused or molested children, they are run out of town.

And this is the way it is for those who choose to take advantage of a 'smaller', defenseless person.... and for a 'smaller', defenseless, caged and chained animal. It is inconceivable that any human could abuse, neglect, harm, a caged being... a being who cannot speak for themselves....
It is evil.... pure and simple....
I guess we will have to agree to disagree, but you are very, very wrong in your stance, and I would fear those who feel the way you do, as much as I would fear for the animals....
Disregard for life that God created, is disregard, pure & simple.... LIFE, period, human and otherwise.....
I suspect that those who are defending Vick likely never had a pet in their lives, never had those soulful eyes pleading, in a manner "speaking", or had a pet sidle up alongside you, pressing against you, just to experience the human touch, the touch of another living being....
There is just something wrong with people who don't understand this, IMO.

[EKate23]

I suspect that those who are defending Vick likely never had a pet in their lives, never had those soulful eyes pleading, in a manner "speaking", or had a pet sidle up alongside you, pressing against you, just to experience the human touch, the touch of another living being....
There is just something wrong with people who don't understand this, IMO.

This is where you'd be wrong. I've been raised around dogs all my life, large ones at that, and never liked them, let alone loved them. I was run over by two dogs as a small child and left scared, but my parents and my parents friends continued to force interaction with them on me. As such, I view dogs differently than humans and will support Vick's return to the league. Plus, while I may question Dungy's motives (surrogate son) for backing Vick, I'll never question his character or judgment. He wouldn't have gotten involved if he thought Vick were a lost cause.

[dinojen]

Packers GM won't rule out interest in Vick

GREEN BAY, Wis. (AP) — Green Bay Packers general manager Ted Thompson isn't ruling out potential interest in Michael Vick.

Asked Tuesday about the possibility of signing Vick, Thompson said the team looks ``at all options at all times'' but didn't want to speculate about the odds of the team actually pursuing him.

``We look at everything,'' Thompson said.

http://www.comcast.net/articles/sports-general/20090804/Packers-Vick/

[Noahs ARK]

Packers GM won't rule out interest in Vick

GREEN BAY, Wis. (AP) — Green Bay Packers general manager Ted Thompson isn't ruling out potential interest in Michael Vick.


I hope he's just being pc and not really considering him. :scared:

[dinojen]

I hope he's just being pc and not really considering him. :scared:

The guy in the office next to me.. who is an official cheesehead.. actually brought him one back from Lambeau Field when we went there a few years ago.. just about had cardiac arrest...:scared: LMBO.. you don't mess with his Packers....

[ChocHollyK]

Quote: (chocHollyK)
I suspect that those who are defending Vick likely never had a pet in their lives, never had those soulful eyes pleading, in a manner "speaking", or had a pet sidle up alongside you, pressing against you, just to experience the human touch, the touch of another living being....
There is just something wrong with people who don't understand this, IMO.


This is where you'd be wrong. I've been raised around dogs all my life, large ones at that, and never liked them, let alone loved them. I was run over by two dogs as a small child and left scared, but my parents and my parents friends continued to force interaction with them on me. As such, I view dogs differently than humans and will support Vick's return to the league. Plus, while I may question Dungy's motives (surrogate son) for backing Vick, I'll never question his character or judgment. He wouldn't have gotten involved if he thought Vick were a lost cause.

okay, YOU have made MY POINT FOR ME, PRECISELY.......
Those of us who are animal lovers have a different relationship with animals than you had.
so ... "where [I'd] be wrong" ????
You just proved my statement, that those who don't 'get' why we are so bothered about Vick's return to the NFL have never had those things I mentioned in my prior post....
????
jeeeesh

[R~O~S]

I hope he's just being pc and not really considering him. :scared:


He's doing exactly what the Patriots did, putting it out there without actually saying it, to see what reaction he gets from the public.

I so hope the cheeseheads make it as clear as the NE fans did & as quickly.

Didn't take Bob Kraft a week to put the kibosh on an idea Belichick left a definite maybe.

[R~O~S]

Even if it wasn't a big joke or standard answer to such inquiries, we would not get him as the the Bears, Vikings, or Jets would get him first.
[u r a troublemaker]

All three have clearly stated they're not interested CW, see Noah's list upthread.

Did you need the e-mail addy to contact the front office? I'll get it for you straight away if needed. :laugh:

R~O~S, thinking one e-mail from CW will scare the chit out of em and that will be that. lol

[dinojen]

Even if it wasn't a big joke or standard answer to such inquiries, we would not get him as the the Bears, Vikings, or Jets would get him first.
[u r a troublemaker]

LMBO...sorry... :tonguewag:

Just don't think old Vick would be a good fix in the good old mid west.. the people back there are too nice... can't picture him in green and yellow...:tonguewag:

[Noahs ARK]

Even if it wasn't a big joke or standard answer to such inquiries, we would not get him as the the Bears, Vikings, or Jets would get him first.
[u r a troublemaker]

Bears don't want him. Cuz I said so!!

[True2Blues]

Bears don't want him. Cuz I said so!!

I can't imagine any team wanting him and his nasty baggage.

[SavannahStar]

okay, YOU have made MY POINT FOR ME, PRECISELY.......
Those of us who are animal lovers have a different relationship with animals than you had.
so ... "where [I'd] be wrong" ????
You just proved my statement, that those who don't 'get' why we are so bothered about Vick's return to the NFL have never had those things I mentioned in my prior post....
????
jeeeesh

Again, call me naive and idealistic, but I would think......HOPE...that even those who are not animal "lovers" (like EKate) would not want him to play in the NFL. Maybe she is not an animal lover, but the fact remains that those who abuse animals have very, very serious mental problems.

I happen to know a lady on another board who seriously cannot stand children....and I mean, literally. Wants NO part of kids, detests them. But I can't for one moment imagine her having any sympathy for a child abuser or pedophile.

[EKate23]

Again, call me naive and idealistic, but I would think......HOPE...that even those who are not animal "lovers" (like EKate) would not want him to play in the NFL. Maybe she is not an animal lover, but the fact remains that those who abuse animals have very, very serious mental problems.

I happen to know a lady on another board who seriously cannot stand children....and I mean, literally. Wants NO part of kids, detests them. But I can't for one moment imagine her having any sympathy for a child abuser or pedophile.

I understand the issues Vick has, but he's served his time and Goodell has made his decision, so I'll supprt his right to play if he can find a team. FTR, I agree with Goodell on very little and he's been very strict during his time as commissioner.

[EKate23]

Quote: (chocHollyK)
okay, YOU have made MY POINT FOR ME, PRECISELY.......
Those of us who are animal lovers have a different relationship with animals than you had.
so ... "where [I'd] be wrong" ????
You just proved my statement, that those who don't 'get' why we are so bothered about Vick's return to the NFL have never had those things I mentioned in my prior post....
????
jeeeesh

Sorry, I thought you meant had never lived with an animal. I've lived with plenty of pets and I just happen to not be a dog person.

[Details]

Legally - he's done his time, and can have any job that will take him.

By NFL regs - I'd think they'd have an out to lifetime ban him, but they decided not to.

By the fans - fans can decide to support or reject a team for any reason they darn well please - so if enough people don't like the idea of Vick having this power and prestige again, they can likely make it not happen.


I don't think he's rehab'd - but I also think he'll never do this crime again, just because he doesn't want to pay the price, be locked up like a dog, again. I'd never trust anyone able to do that, myself - but I doubt he'll do the same thing again. He might do as bad or worse to a human if he thinks he can get away with it - we all know the path animal abusers follow.

[dgfred]

M.Wiley on the Mike and Mike Show (espn) this morning mentioned the Steelers as being a perfect fit for Vick... that would be interesting seeing how my friends that are Steeler fans react.

[SavannahStar]

M.Wiley on the Mike and Mike Show (espn) this morning mentioned the Steelers as being a perfect fit for Vick... that would be interesting seeing how my friends that are Steeler fans react.


Perfect fit? Are they all animal abusers on the team? :thumbdown:

[True2Blues]

Green Bay CEO Mark Murphy downplays possibility of Packers signing Vick. That sounds promising.

http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=10854952

[Grayson]

Ok another Cheesehead checking in here. I should go andput my cheasehead hat on too. Regardless of Michael Vick's controversies. I have not been this excited for and NFL season in a while. I could see him in Green Bay though becasue I do not like their current quarter back. I think Vick should go to Buffalo, and be with T.O. lol.
Also let's hope this season's uniforms aren't as tacky, too.
As or right now though I miss the old NFL of the 90's. And late 80's when it was the NFC south and North and AFC West and well I am not sure maybe it was AFC norht and south.
Now ove the years, between the marketing of NFL merchandise. The statistics game, and the redesining of logos it can be hard to keep up, wiht things like rilvaries and past suprbowl wins.
The old school rilvaries like the Packers and Vikings. And Dallas and New York. And Washington and Dallas, and Washington and New York were great.
Here's to a great NFL season :thumbsup:

[Grayson]

I thought I heard Carolina was interested in signing him. That would be bad timing Public Relations wise, because of teh past players run in with the laws. The Panthers off the field really raise caine in Charlotte. And I am not sure if Charlotte likes it all that much :unsure:

[dgfred]

Rumors are the Packers are still considering signing :huh: . Must be for special teams or WR/RB because they have and excellent starter in Rodgers and a capable up-and-coming backup in Broeme (sp).

[ChocHollyK]

You know, I've seen so many replies that point out that Vick 'did his time' and should now be allowed to move on, get his job back where and if he can, and have his life.
But, my concern is far deeper than whether the correct LEGAL thing should be done; it is far more a message to others who consider similar crimes and a STRONG CLEAR MESSAGE to the young children who are enamored of football and its' stars.....
that is FAR more important to me than whether or not Vick is 'deprived' of his livelihood... but for the message to be clear, it is the very loss OF his livelihood in the NFL that needs to be demonstrated....

You cannot commit such crimes and just say, 'Oh, I did my time, now let me get rich and famous again.' Your fame, Mr. Vick, is and always has been contingent on your ability to perform, and to excel. You gave it up when you decided that dog fighting was more profitable, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED...

Now, I know many of you disagree with me... so be it.... let Vick come over and walk your dogs and feed them while you're away on vacation, that kind of stuff.... then tell me how fair and square things are.....

[Noahs ARK]

You cannot commit such crimes and just say, 'Oh, I did my time, now let me get rich and famous again.' Your fame, Mr. Vick, is and always has been contingent on your ability to perform, and to excel. You gave it up when you decided that dog fighting was more profitable, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED...

As far as I'm concerned, you are absolutely correct!! :thumbup:

[Rangerx1]

So now Vick wants to show how remorseful he is. I thought I'd call it a weak attempt, but that doesn't even begin to describe it!!!

http://www.nathanwinograd.com/?p=1768

There is a difference between sincere remorse and being used. If Michael Vick was sincere, this wouldn’t be about getting back into the NFL. This wouldn’t be about barring the public, keeping the media out, and blocking the windows. This wouldn’t be about meeting with NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell or hiring “handlers” and public relations consultants. Michael Vick would be talking to anyone who would listen that he is truly sorry and will make it right. But, most importantly, he would be talking to federal investigators.

Very well written on what Vick could be doing to help, rather than setting up mock speeches that are for no more than trying to make himself look good.

[dgfred]

Sometimes you make a huge mistake... and any amount of apologizing or being remorseful comes across as a weak attempt. Nobody is going to forgive him no matter how many speeches he makes. Rumor now is that about 4 or 5 teams are still interested in signing him.

[SavannahStar]

So now Vick wants to show how remorseful he is. I thought I'd call it a weak attempt, but that doesn't even begin to describe it!!!

http://www.nathanwinograd.com/?p=1768



Very well written on what Vick could be doing to help, rather than setting up mock speeches that are for no more than trying to make himself look good.


That is a WONDERFUL article!

For the pits: :rose:

[R~O~S]

That is a WONDERFUL article!

For the pits: :rose:


Don't miss the No Kill Advocacy Center letter to the NFL linked at the bottom of the article. Sums it up better than I could. Good for them.


I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas how I could make a statement to the Humane Society aside from not responding to their donation letter this year.

I bothers me a great deal that they seem to be more than willing to help Michael Vick regain public acceptability, when he's done nothing to deserve that effort on their part.

[dinojen]

Just glad it's not my team....:tonguewag:

Mort: Current Vick speculation points to Ravens
Posted by Mike Florio on August 11, 2009 12:04 PM ET
ESPN's Chris Mortensen, who's back out on the road after a week that included his bus being defaced and his kid being intercepted in his NFL debut, reports from Eagles camp that the speculation regarding the team most likely to ink quarterback Mike Vick points to the Ravens.

That said, Mort went out of his way to make it clear that it's only speculation.

Last month, coach John Harbaugh didn't slam the door on Vick.

"We've had long discussions about Michael Vick and we have a feeling about how he would impact our team and not impact our team," Harbaugh said, per the Baltimore Sun. "We have a course of action that you can ask Ozzie [Newsome] about."

Newsome, in turn, said that the Ravens "have three quarterbacks we like," which could support the notion that Baltimore would be interested in using Vick as a jack-of-some-trades, including but not limited to receiver.

Mort also said that Philly and New England are other speculated destinations for Vick. But we remain confident that Vick won't be a Patriot.

UPDATE: In a subsequent update, Mort has removed the Eagles from the speculation list.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/11/mort-current-vick-speculation-points-to-ravens/



Read somewhere else today supposedly coming from he mentor Dungy.. that a deal will be inked this week... like I said supposedly...

[R~O~S]

I saw an interview with Tony yesterday. Yep, he thinks it's going to be very soon, he didn't say within the week though, he said "very soon".

I think the Colts will take him if nobody gives him a QB spot. I don't think they'll use him as a QB, running back & backup QB in the event of injury, maybe?

They could use him now and have a few good plays in the book designed just for when/if he's needed as QB. They just don't need a QB of that caliber. Tony would rather see him back at QB if possible. Why, I have no idea.

His support of Vick has me conflicted regarding my opinion of Tony & that's sad.

[Spyder88]

Sometimes you make a huge mistake... and any amount of apologizing or being remorseful comes across as a weak attempt. Nobody is going to forgive him no matter how many speeches he makes. Rumor now is that about 4 or 5 teams are still interested in signing him.

He needs to put his money where his mouth is. A few years of devoting his time and effort toward eliminating dog fighting forever would be a lovely start in his personal dedication toward rehabilitating himself.

He needs to apologize to the animals he's abused, by becoming a decent human being. He can apologize to the women he gifted with his little "gift that keeps on giving".

Icky Vicky needs to be held accountable for what he did and what he does with his life from here on out. We'll see what he does with himself. I, for one, will never like seeing his ugly mug anywhere but behind bars or actually having to work to earn his keep. There are far, far, far too many decent young men to choose from, who are equally talented in the football department, to futz around with a freak like Vick. MVHOO

[Noahs ARK]

I, for one, will never like seeing his ugly mug anywhere but behind bars or actually having to work to earn his keep. There are far, far, far too many decent young men to choose from, who are equally talented in the football department, to futz around with a freak like Vick. MVHOO


My sentiments exactly, Spyder.

[Hanalei]

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/eagles-fans-against-michael-vick

[Hanalei]

I can't believe my Chargers were on the list to maybe pick up Vick:cursing:

http://www.sackvick.net

[gemsbmw]

I am so sick of hearing Vick's name on the news every night. He does not deserve the air time.

I did see where Dogtown USA will be showing some of his tortured dogs soon on a episode.